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[00:04:28] <thumbs> I wonder about Alexwijn
[00:04:51] <thumbs> adaptr: ah, he's your neighbourgh, isn't he?
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[00:16:30] <jackbravo> I have a problem where my server is not sending mails to just one domain ( at montessorird dot com). Mail to other domains works fine (@yahoo, @gmail). It is a standard postfix internet server. The actual mailserver for @montessorird.com is handled by a third party (ipower), while the webserver with postfix is a plain VPS with ubuntu 12.04. The log for one such unsuccesfull email is here: https://dpaste.de/bIsW
[00:17:38] <jackbravo> this is the postconf -n https://dpaste.de/JK0w
[00:22:06] <Shinobi> this may be OT, but now that port 25 has been shut down. (This is recent as I've had my boxes email me before, the last time earlier this year for a drive failure.) Is there a way to send mail to gmail using 587 for system events?
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[00:27:12] <adaptr> what does that matter, "for system events" ? do you think they will care ?
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[00:27:34] <adaptr> gmail configuration is indeed off topic
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[00:27:50] <adaptr> I have no idea how gmail works. by all accounts it works badly
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[00:31:29] <Shinobi> adaptr: I don't think they care, but am putting into a context that they are automated and not from thunderbird.
[00:32:07] <Shinobi> adapter: badly is right... which is why I want this mail server.... to go off the grid...
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[00:53:15] <rob0> jackbravo, 65.254.254.56:25 seems to work for me. I didn't try sending mail, though.
[00:53:39] <rob0> !tell Shinobi nullclient
[00:53:39] <knoba> Shinobi: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.
[00:57:05] <jackbravo> rob0, yeah, I can also send mail from other webservers I have with postfix.... just not from this one
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[00:58:01] <adaptr> why is the "actual mailserver" somewhere else ? what do you have, then ? fake mailservers ?
[01:00:44] <rob0> !tell Shinobi port_25_block
[01:00:44] <knoba> Shinobi: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)
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[01:13:57] <Shinobi> rob0: knoba: will do, but I just realized that while I'm a bit degraded right now, this can and will be solved once this mail server is up and running IF I can have my exim (on my file server) send system mail to my mailserver (postfix) via tls... so we go back to the tls issue...
[01:14:33] <Shinobi> !relayhost
[01:14:33] <knoba> Shinobi: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[01:14:59] <adaptr> Shinobi: you didn't understand the !nullclient factoid ?
[01:15:16] <Shinobi> I haven't read that one yet...
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[01:15:55] <Shinobi> !basic
[01:15:55] <knoba> Shinobi: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[01:16:07] <adaptr> you should read it now, then.
[01:16:15] <Shinobi> !nullclient
[01:16:15] <knoba> Shinobi: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.
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[01:16:55] <Shinobi> !nullclient_software
[01:16:55] <knoba> Shinobi: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa
[01:17:17] <adaptr> msmtp supports TLS and SASL
[01:17:24] <adaptr> if you want that
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[01:18:25] <Shinobi> that's a big help... Just out of curiosity, don't you guys all do this too?
[01:18:39] <Shinobi> I can't be the only guy who wants emails from his system
[01:18:57] <Shinobi> and has lame isp service
[01:19:11] <adaptr> I don't know what you are asking
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[01:19:45] <Shinobi> you have some linux/bsd boxes at home?
[01:19:59] <adaptr> yes
[01:20:25] <Shinobi> Do you have a gmail/yahoo/etc email that you use for day to day stuff
[01:20:59] <adaptr> no
[01:21:06] <Shinobi> ah...
[01:21:15] <Shinobi> what do you use ,if you don't mind me asking
[01:21:17] <adaptr> I have no external email accounts whatsoever
[01:21:26] <Shinobi> really?
[01:21:29] <adaptr> ...do you know which channel you're in ?
[01:21:37] <Shinobi> lol...
[01:21:50] <Shinobi> ok. do you have business class isp?
[01:21:56] <toehio> Why are my virtual aliases having $mydomain appended to them? E.g. postmaster at mydomain dot com -> postmaster@localhost, but it maps it to postmaster at localhost dot mydomain.com. BTW, I finished the simple section in this guide: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/#config-simple-mta
[01:22:17] <adaptr> !tell toehio tutorial
[01:22:17] <knoba> toehio: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[01:22:22] <adaptr> toehio: just say No.
[01:22:50] <adaptr> and to answer your question: all addresses must be fully qualified. less pain.
[01:22:54] <toehio> adaptr: say no to tutorials?
[01:23:06] <adaptr> yes
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[01:23:15] <adaptr> they're for experts, but sadly mostly written by amateurs.
[01:23:19] <lunaphyte> those who know, say no.
[01:23:24] <toehio> adaptr: your suggestion is not to use localhost in the aliases but a FQDN?
[01:23:37] <akafritz> hello. is there any way to change the log file name for postfix? eg i have multiple instances on one machine and want to log to distinct files. GOOG didn't help
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[01:24:03] <adaptr> toehio: I use localhost. however, I also have append_dot_mydomain = no, and localhost is in mydestination. you need to know how stuff works together.
[01:24:27] <adaptr> akafritz: postfix does not write to any log file.
[01:24:42] <toehio> adaptr: that looks like the option I have spent hours searching for
[01:24:48] <akafritz> adaptr: what do u mean? i mean besides maillog
[01:25:02] <adaptr> toehio: excellent! now you can go read about it, in the documentation
[01:25:09] <adaptr> akafritz: it's spelled "you"
[01:25:40] <akafritz> not on the internet
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[01:27:42] <akafritz> is the log something hardcoded?
[01:27:51] <adaptr> !logging
[01:27:51] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "logging" is not a valid command.
[01:27:54] <adaptr> !logs
[01:27:54] <knoba> adaptr: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. You can usually find them with ls /var/log/mail* otherwise something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /path/to/syslog_config_file should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung
[01:28:11] <akafritz> ah, ok. that makes sense
[01:28:31] <toehio> adaptr: Thank you for pointing that out! I don't remember running into that problem in the past
[01:28:50] <adaptr> it has been around for a long time
[01:28:57] <adaptr> (the parameter, not the problem)
[01:29:23] <akafritz> !no_logs
[01:29:23] <knoba> akafritz: "no_logs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.
[01:29:30] <toehio> adaptr: yes, I see. That's why I don't understand why I never ran into it before
[01:29:47] <akafritz> !have2mung
[01:29:48] <knoba> akafritz: "have2mung" : if you absolutely have to mung details, such as anonymizing domains, email and IP addresses etc., try to do so in a minimal, consistent and meaningful way. Keep in mind that this is our first look at your particular configuration and or log details and we do not have the benefit you posses about your existing configuration.
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[01:34:57] <akafritz> Thanks adaptr
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[01:43:49] <jackbravo> rob0, it is working now, seems like the timeout for that specific server needs to be bigger
[01:44:00] <jackbravo> I added smtp_connect_timeout = 120s
[01:44:12] <jackbravo> but probably I should make it a little smaller :P
[01:44:17] <jackbravo> 5s or something like that
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[01:44:40] <adaptr> don't mess with settings mandated by the standards if you have no clue.
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[01:45:46] <rob0> 30s is default, and should work
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[01:46:47] <jackbravo> 30s?, well that should work too
[01:46:54] <rob0> You know how I know that? I did "/usr/sbin/postconf smtp_connect_timeout". I have never tinkered with that. And adaptr is right, you probably shouldn't either.
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[01:52:07] <pj> some servers purposefully delay the response to a connect to try to weed out spammers that ignore the standards and send a HELO before receiving the banner from the server, postscreen does this, btw. If that timeout is set too short then you can easily break on servers that do that. The default of 30s should be just fine, but 5s is way too short.
[01:55:05] <jackbravo> I guessed that 5s would be alright since I saw this line "# -o smtp_helo_timeout=5 -o smtp_connect_timeout=5" on the default master.cf configuration file provided by debian
[01:55:18] <jackbravo> but I guess that is a different thing
[01:55:32] <jackbravo> anyway, I just set that to 30s, tested, and seems to be working fine too
[01:55:39] <pj> I don't trust anything from debian.
[01:55:43] <jackbravo> :P
[01:55:55] <pj> just get rid of it, you don't need to explicitly set it.
[01:56:15] <pj> !debian
[01:56:15] <knoba> pj: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.
[01:56:22] <pj> !debian_logs
[01:56:22] <knoba> pj: "debian_logs" : Just to confuse you debian has taken the mail logs and given you the full log (mail.log) as well as splitting them into multiple other logs (mail.info, mail.err). Just look at mail.log and ignore the others.
[01:56:56] <pj> there should probably be a few other factoids relating to debian stuff-ups as well.
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[02:02:19] <jackbravo> I removed that line and it works to :P
[02:02:39] <jackbravo> so probably the one with the problem is mx.ipower.com (the relay server)
[02:04:28] <jackbravo> anyway, thanks for the help
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[07:06:24] <nilesh> How do I make postfix log SQL queries? I have smptd_sender_restrictions to reject_authenticated_sender_login, but when I login (auth is proxied to dovecot) succesfully and try to send mail as logged in user, I get sender address rejected
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[07:14:25] <nilesh> I have SELECT 1 FROM active_users where user = '%s' in virtual_mailbox_maps, should the query be returning something else?
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[07:31:28] <nilesh> postconf -n - http://pastebin.kde.org/phgwyvhzv
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[09:29:55] <zro> so I'm getting this in auth.log when I send mail: http://sprunge.us/UEiC? my postfix/smtpd.conf looks like this http://sprunge.us/DWTR? any ideas why I'm getting the error?
[09:30:28] <zro> everything seems to be working, but my logs are full of that
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[10:44:41] <zw> Hi. I have smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit_sasl_authenticated, check_policy_service inet:178.208.39.152:10040, reject ... But for some reason the policy service is checked first _before_ sasl authentication. Is there a way to reject everyone _not_ doing sasl authentication and do the policy check after a successfull sasl auth ?
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[11:05:50] <zw> Hi. I have smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit_sasl_authenticated, check_policy_service inet:178.208.39.152:10040, reject ... But for some reason the policy service is checked first _before_ sasl authentication. Is there a way to reject everyone _not_ doing sasl authentication and do the policy check after a successfull sasl auth ?
[11:05:56] <zw> Darn.
[11:05:59] <zw> Sorry, wrong key.
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[11:11:36] <rob0> Nope, restrictions are evaluated in order. If a client AUTHed, permit_sasl_authenticated ends those restrictions for that client. It's not happening the way you say it is.
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[12:57:20] <folivora> Hi, I need to change transport.db dir, since /etc/postfix/ is a ro-mount. How I change this? I did edit this to main.cf; transport_maps = hash:/var/spool/postfix-login1/transport
[12:58:00] <folivora> Seems that it wont help, postfix still complains that transport.db is pointing to /etc/postfix/...
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[13:53:05] <sep> folivora, what are you talking about? when did /etc/postfix become a ro mount ?
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[13:53:33] <sep> folivora, do you get write errors when you run postmap transport ? to generate the transport.db hash ?
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[13:55:24] <eusto> I'm having trouble grasping the concept of aliases. I want to setup my postfix so that anything at mydomain dot com goes to my local mail mymail at mydomain dot com
[13:55:40] <eusto> I'm getting confused by the differnece between aliases and forwarders
[13:55:48] <eusto> can anyone point me into the right direction?
[13:55:51] <waldi> eusto: mydomain.com is not yours
[13:56:06] <waldi> !tell eusto example
[13:56:07] <knoba> eusto: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.
[13:56:15] <eusto> :)
[13:56:43] <eusto> I'm having trouble grasping the concept of aliases. I want to setup my postfix so that anything at example dot com goes to my local mail mymail at example dot com
[13:57:15] <waldi> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html
[13:57:57] <eusto> waldi: great
[13:57:58] <eusto> thanks
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[14:18:22] <hnperez> test
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[14:42:33] <hnperez> Hello everyone, I'm having trouble with my internal mail using postfix
[14:42:40] <hnperez> could anyone help me?
[14:42:58] <lunaphyte_> !tell hnperez welcome
[14:42:58] <knoba> hnperez: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
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[14:58:09] <folivora> sep: that dir is ro-mount, thats why I need to point transport.db file to somewhere else :)
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[15:01:23] <lunaphyte_> did you restart postfix?
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[15:04:49] <Shinobi> Can fetchmail and Procmail be installed on the same box as postfix + dovecot? Or would they normally interfere?
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[15:12:24] <patdk-wk> yuk :(
[15:12:31] <patdk-wk> they can be, but why?
[15:15:36] <jelly> patdk-wk: seeing as this is a continuation of what Shinobi asked in #debian, he's not really insisting on that exact software, but on something that can pull from a remote pop3 or imap and deliver (and filter?) into a local account.
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[15:15:59] <patdk-wk> jelly, still doesn't matter
[15:16:01] <jelly> so feel free to s/fetchmail/getmail/ or whatever
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[15:17:12] <jelly> it was already suggested to use a VM with a static address and do routing via smtp instead
[15:17:15] <Shinobi> ok. Thanks.. The reason is just to forward all my incoming gmail to the test server and see how it performs with spam and day to day functionality...
[15:17:45] <Shinobi> jelly: routing is already done via smtp
[15:17:53] <Shinobi> that was last night
[15:18:03] <jelly> fetchmail != smtp
[15:18:04] <Shinobi> just need incoming mail now.
[15:18:20] <Shinobi> jelly: it's not pop?
[15:18:34] <patdk-wk> routing does not use pop/imap
[15:19:06] <jelly> Shinobi: I meant it's easier to just forward mails and have incoming come in via smtp as well, if possible
[15:19:16] <Shinobi> ahok
[15:19:18] <Shinobi> ah ... ok
[15:19:36] <Shinobi> I've just set up another vm... that way there's no issue conflict....
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[15:29:10] <lunaphyte_> use getmail, and use sieve.
[15:30:39] <hnperez> I've already tried reloading the postfix settings, and restarting postfix as well
[15:31:02] <hnperez> it works perfectly sending email to any domains, but my own
[15:31:39] <lunaphyte_> hnperez: are you ignoring the instructions you were given?
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[15:34:31] <thumbs> let's try again
[15:34:39] <thumbs> !tell hnperez getting_help
[15:34:39] <knoba> hnperez: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.
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[15:52:43] <hnperez> !relevant_logs
[15:52:44] <knoba> hnperez: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.
[15:53:02] <hnperez> !pastebin
[15:53:03] <knoba> hnperez: "pastebin" : (#1) see !paste, or (#2) a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.
[15:55:23] <hnperez> Sorry about that
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[15:57:19] <hnperez> here's the log for an email sent within my own domain https://dpaste.de/vKqn
[15:57:50] <hnperez> and the postmaster gets an e-mail saying the mail sent has been queued (not accepted)
[15:58:05] <hnperez> !showconfig
[15:58:05] <knoba> hnperez: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[15:59:29] <hnperez> here's my postconf -n https://dpaste.de/E9LG
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[16:01:53] <lunaphyte_> status=bounced (unknown user: "root")
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[16:04:46] <lunaphyte_> you need an entry for root in /etc/aliases
[16:04:48] <hnperez> I do have root assigned on the aliases file (/etc/aliases/) and I used the command newaliases after modifing it https://dpaste.de/xVKE
[16:06:06] <lunaphyte_> i'm confused.
[16:06:17] <lunaphyte_> is the mail delivered, or not?
[16:06:31] <lunaphyte_> if it's been queued, then it's been accepted.
[16:07:12] <hnperez> no, it is not delivered
[16:07:33] <hnperez> mails sent to another provider (ie gmail, yahoo, hotmail, etc) are received with no problem
[16:08:09] <lunaphyte_> your log says it was accepted by 192.168.54.14
[16:09:09] <hnperez> this is the Mail Delivery Status Report I recieve as root https://dpaste.de/Q2TH
[16:09:44] <lunaphyte_> 2.0.0 Ok: queued as CDB5B622972
[16:09:47] <lunaphyte_> accepted.
[16:09:51] <hnperez> That's my relay IP address (zimbra), anyhow the e-mail is not appearing on my inbox
[16:10:16] <lunaphyte_> well, look at your zimbra logs and find out what it's doing with the message
[16:11:24] <hnperez> alright, thanks for the help
[16:11:43] <hnperez> I had my suspicions of the problem being on Zimbra and not on Postfix
[16:12:06] <lunaphyte_> you're welcome
[16:12:13] <lunaphyte_> btw, mailbox_size_limit = 0 is a bad idea. don't do that.
[16:12:59] <hnperez> ok, thanks for the heads up
[16:13:04] <hnperez> I'll restore it to the default value
[16:23:25] <lunaphyte_> sure thing, you're welcome.
[16:25:15] <survietamine> hnperez: zimbra uses postfix
[16:25:46] <survietamine> hnperez: ok, you are expecting to type zimbra commands starting with zm-, but it is based on postfix
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[16:31:37] <survietamine> hnperez: unless you're not using zimbra MTA, but the logs seems to indicate that you are
[16:36:39] <hnperez> Ok, i do not have access to the zimbra server right now. I'll check that ASAP
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[16:40:07] <lunaphyte_> there are also duplicate settings in your config you don't need, fwiw
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[16:52:17] <trurl> err... are there any known issues for local parts containing a dash when using it in virtual_alias_maps?
[16:52:47] <lunaphyte_> no meta questions please.
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[16:52:54] <lunaphyte_> see the welcome factoid
[16:53:28] <thumbs> or read the /topic
[16:55:09] <Tuxick> i suppose there's no real clarity about "Recipient address rejected", is there?
[16:55:26] <skorp> is tehre a room for postfixadmin or the vacation plugin??
[16:55:36] <Tuxick> trying to fix a bounce handler
[16:55:44] <thumbs> skorp: postfix is just a frontend to control the sql database
[16:55:49] <thumbs> err
[16:55:53] <thumbs> skorp: postfixadmin*
[16:57:25] <Tuxick> nevermind that
[16:58:01] <Tuxick> it's the bit after that that's more relevant
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[17:29:07] <hnperez> !pastebin
[17:29:07] <knoba> hnperez: "pastebin" : (#1) see !paste, or (#2) a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.
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[17:52:33] <trurl> im using postfix and i relay to dovecot via lmtp. theres relay_recipients[.db] and virtual_alias[.db] to which i added thisisatest at example dot com and thisis-atest at example dot com. E-Mails to the address containing the dash get rejected. See log here: http://pastebin.com/J8gZe5aU
[17:52:46] <trurl> thanks in advance
[17:55:49] <lunaphyte_> pastebin your config as per the welcome factoid
[17:59:55] <eusto> i'm trying to setup a catchall email by using @example.com my_mail at example dot com in virtual_alias_maps
[18:00:06] <thumbs> eusto: why?
[18:00:10] <eusto> but then all emails to example.com go to that address
[18:00:15] <lunaphyte_> bad idea. don't use catchalls
[18:00:20] <trurl> lunaphyte_: postconf -n is in the same pastebin
[18:00:37] <lunaphyte_> oh, good
[18:00:44] <eusto> lunaphyte_: i know why it's a bad ideea
[18:01:14] <Tuxick> "management wants it"
[18:01:23] <eusto> but my question is, why is it catching all email and how can i debug what's happening there
[18:01:24] <eusto> ?
[18:01:42] <lunaphyte_> trurl: where does dovecot get it's list of valid recipients?
[18:01:45] <lunaphyte_> *its
[18:02:00] <lunaphyte_> "dovecot-lmtp] said: 550 5.1.1 <thisis-atest at example dot com> User doesn't exist"
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[18:03:18] <trurl> lunaphyte_: text-file. yeah, the user doesn't exist. the mail should be delivered to realaddress at example dot com.
[18:03:49] <lunaphyte_> trurl: oh, so the hyphen is supposed to be a recipient delimiter?
[18:03:55] <trurl> lunaphyte_: no
[18:04:04] <lunaphyte_> wait, what?
[18:04:32] <lunaphyte_> mail to thisis-atest at example dot com is supposed to be delivered to realaddress at example dot com?
[18:04:38] <trurl> lunaphyte_: yes
[18:05:09] <lunaphyte_> pastebin /etc/postfix/virtual_alias
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[18:12:41] <jeev> makes me appreciate postfix/dovecot so much more when i wake up to a random exchange issue.. it allows everything in, including OWA but it kicks off exchange. woke up with a test user saying it was prompting for password.
[18:15:50] <trurl> lunaphyte_: http://pastebin.com/MsbvwXf2
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[18:17:14] <lunaphyte_> did you postmap virtual_alias?
[18:17:36] <lunaphyte_> oh, heh.
[18:17:55] <lunaphyte_> did i encourage you to use relay_domains?
[18:19:41] <trurl> lunaphyte_: yes, postmapped and reloaded and even restartet multiple times
[18:20:21] <lunaphyte_> what does postmap -q 'thisis-atest at example dot com' hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias say?
[18:20:58] <trurl> nil, zip, nothing, ""
[18:21:16] <lunaphyte_> that's the culprit then
[18:22:20] <lunaphyte_> try some of the other aliases
[18:22:35] <trurl> lunaphyte_: yeah. i could understand this if i would use - as a recipient_delimiter, but i'm not oO
[18:22:55] <lunaphyte_> we'll figure it out
[18:23:26] <trurl> no, stop.
[18:23:29] <trurl> my fault.
[18:23:54] <trurl> postmap -q 'thisis-atest at example dot com' hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias yield realaddress at example dot com
[18:24:07] <lunaphyte_> oh?
[18:24:10] <lunaphyte_> i'm confused
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[18:24:21] <lunaphyte_> what happened?
[18:24:21] <trurl> i should replace example.com before executing it, sorry ;)
[18:24:26] <lunaphyte_> oh, ok.
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[18:24:55] <lunaphyte_> are other addresses in virtual_alias handled and delivered correctly?
[18:25:16] <trurl> all of them are handled correctly, except this one containing the dash
[18:26:03] <tete_> hi, i have a (probably) simple question for postfix profis. i would like to build a mail server for me and a couple of friends and i dont want it that everybody must have a real unix account with home directory. is this common practice that every user gets his email into /var/mail/$user in this case? is there another way to do that?
[18:26:30] <lunaphyte_> what's wrong with a unix account?
[18:26:58] <tete_> i would like to (maybe) use also horde with self registration
[18:27:20] <lunaphyte_> there has to be an account somewhere. what difference does it make if it's in the passwd file or not?
[18:27:21] <tete_> so my guess is that this could be a problem
[18:27:32] <lunaphyte_> the passwd file is the right choice for simple setups
[18:27:39] <lunaphyte_> oh
[18:27:59] <lunaphyte_> you want to allow anyone to create an email account with *no* approval from an admin required?
[18:28:14] <tete_> no no... i would like to approve that of course and i am sure horde has such function implemented
[18:28:20] <tete_> at least i guess so :)
[18:28:42] <tete_> thats why i am asking... is this common practice to use /var/mail/$user ? or is there another way in doing that
[18:28:55] <lunaphyte_> well, if you're planning on using horde, then that question has already been answered for you
[18:29:10] <lunaphyte_> i would not do /var/mail/$user
[18:29:35] <tete_> why not?
[18:29:49] <lunaphyte_> if a user has an account of some sort on the system [regardless of if their user entry in in the passwd file or somewhere else], they should have a home directory, and their stuff should be in there
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[18:30:10] <tete_> hm yes thats true but the problem is i dont know how many will register
[18:30:15] <lunaphyte_> so?
[18:30:18] <tete_> and i really dont want to create so many user directories
[18:30:27] <lunaphyte_> why would you create them?
[18:30:33] <tete_> i am not familiar with horde yet - this is just my guess atm
[18:30:39] <lunaphyte_> the provisioning system you use is what does that.
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[18:30:49] <lunaphyte_> that's the whole point of a provisioning system
[18:30:53] <tete_> hm ok maybe i should first read the horde documentation
[18:30:59] <Tuxick> i ditched horde because of the horrible error handling
[18:31:10] <tete_> Tuxick, anything other to recommend? :)
[18:31:14] <Tuxick> 1 slight problem and you get SWOD
[18:31:15] <tete_> i did not install anything yet
[18:31:19] <tete_> SWOD?
[18:31:19] <Tuxick> and nothing in logs
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[18:31:25] <Tuxick> roundcube
[18:31:29] <Tuxick> and squirrelmail
[18:31:34] <thumbs> I like roundcube
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[18:31:42] <Tuxick> squirrel is old but effective
[18:31:51] <survietamine> hmmm, horde (so the httpd) accessing users homes ?
[18:31:52] <tete_> i would like to also have calendar functions etc. - like gmail but without NSA backdoor :)
[18:31:57] <Tuxick> wsod even
[18:32:19] <Tuxick> horde does put a lot of work into calendaring yes
[18:32:22] <lunaphyte_> trurl: does thisisatest work? [e.g. if you remove the hyphen]?
[18:32:23] <Tuxick> did anyway
[18:32:25] <survietamine> unlike lunaphyte_, I prefer virtual users
[18:32:34] <survietamine> but yes, it might work with unix accounts too
[18:32:47] <lunaphyte_> i didn't say i don't prefer virtual users ;)
[18:33:10] <survietamine> yeah, it is indicated when it's for a few accounts
[18:33:22] <lunaphyte_> no
[18:33:35] <survietamine> but I don't like my httpd accessing /home
[18:33:44] <survietamine> and don't want to tune permissions
[18:33:52] <lunaphyte_> that choice should be a function of management considerations, not quantities.
[18:33:59] <lunaphyte_> why would httpd be accessing /home?
[18:34:12] <tete_> for webmail?
[18:34:17] <survietamine> hmmm, right, I'm wrong
[18:34:18] <lunaphyte_> huh?
[18:34:25] <trurl> lunaphyte_: yes. but both variants are mapped in virtual_alias (i forgot to search & replace the "glsbank"-part as you can see in the pastebin, actually it says "gls-bank" and "glsbank")
[18:34:25] <survietamine> it's the imap/pop3 that would
[18:34:27] <thumbs> httpd does not access /home
[18:34:28] <lunaphyte_> webmail is not "magic".
[18:34:39] <lunaphyte_> webmail is nothing more than an mua. just like *every* other mua.
[18:34:39] <tete_> ah ok
[18:34:44] <tete_> you are right :)
[18:34:50] <tete_> webmail->postfix->file
[18:34:56] <lunaphyte_> nope
[18:34:58] <tete_> nope?
[18:35:01] <survietamine> not postfix
[18:35:07] <survietamine> accessing mails delivered
[18:35:08] <thumbs> no, it uses IMAP
[18:35:13] <lunaphyte_> postfix is not for retrieving mail.
[18:35:17] <survietamine> I have to go, holidays, bye
[18:35:17] <lunaphyte_> you use an imap server for that.
[18:35:24] <tete_> cu survietamine, n8 holidays
[18:35:32] <survietamine> thanks tete_
[18:35:37] <tete_> n1 even
[18:35:41] <tete_> not n8 :)
[18:35:48] <lunaphyte_> trurl: i see. glsbank is thisisatest?
[18:35:53] <trurl> lunaphyte_: yes
[18:35:56] <lunaphyte_> ok
[18:36:27] <lunaphyte_> trurl: pastebin your complete config as per !show_config
[18:37:21] <trurl> !show_config
[18:37:21] <knoba> trurl: "show_config" : postconf -nf and postconf -Mf will return the current config, as is appropriate for a pastebin when asking for help. if your version is older than 2.9, see !show_oldconfig
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[18:40:58] <trurl> lunaphyte_: postconf -nf: http://pastebin.com/pWK6hM4G
[18:41:13] <trurl> lunaphyte_: postconf -Mf: http://pastebin.com/Dk7ZXAGB
[18:41:13] <lunaphyte_> just one pastebin please
[18:41:19] <lunaphyte_> and please also share the raw url.
[18:42:33] <trurl> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vML5URHZ
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[18:46:59] <lunaphyte_> i think at this point, i'd make smtpd more verbose and see what it reveals.
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[18:53:57] <skorp> makes the order a difference in master.cf for example dovecot line before vacation line???
[18:54:46] <lunaphyte_> pastebin postconf -Mf
[18:57:12] <trurl> lunaphyte_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0XSaXSNr
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[19:00:32] <trurl> i don't understand this. postfix/trivial-rewrite[27451]: match_string: example.com ~? hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias(0,lock|fold_fix)
[19:00:39] <trurl> postfix/trivial-rewrite[27451]: match_list_match: example.com: no match
[19:00:44] <trurl> that's a lie ;)
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[19:04:40] <trurl> well, no, thats not the part. weird
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[19:14:08] <trurl> oh no, great: "rsyslogd-2177: imuxsock lost 320 messages from pid 27447 due to rate-limiting" 27447 is smtpd.
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[19:38:54] <lunaphyte_> trurl: i'm out of quick ideas.
[19:39:16] <lunaphyte_> i don't have time right now to debug further
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[21:10:54] <dot8> I have a problem, to tell postfix to huse dovecot deliver: http://pastebin.com/J6kBqXNL the problem is, i think postfix use the system lookup for the user lars and do not use the settings in master.cf http://pastebin.com/RLe4YRGL look at bottom
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[21:17:25] <uniquenick> if you set virtual_transport to lmtp, does that have to offload the user lookup to the lmtp service? or can I make postfix still check if it is a valid user before handing it off?
[21:17:40] <pj> !tell dot8 relevant_logs
[21:17:40] <knoba> dot8: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.
[21:18:05] <lunaphyte_> uniquenick: you should be using relay_domains for that, not virtual_mailbox_domains.
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[21:18:51] <pj> uniquenick: postfix will still check as long as virtual_mailbox_maps points to an accurate table.
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[21:19:32] <uniquenick> I have virtual_mailbox_maps = ldap:accounts and the accounts_stuff setup
[21:19:59] <uniquenick> if I comment out virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp then postfix correctly tells me "no such user" when there is no user in ldap
[21:20:23] <uniquenick> but if I uncomment it, then it sends everything on to dovecot-lmtp
[21:20:46] <lunaphyte_> right.
[21:20:58] <lunaphyte_> dovecot is doing delivery, not postfix. so you don't need virtual(8)
[21:21:23] <pj> !smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient
[21:21:23] <knoba> pj: "smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient" : (#1) a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Request that the Postfix SMTP server always rejects mail for unknown recipient addresses. This prevents the Postfix queue from filling up with undeliverable MAILER-DAEMON messages. This feature is not available prior to Postfix 2.1., or (#2) (default: yes) - request that the postfix smtp server rejects mail for unknown recipient addresses, even w
[21:21:34] <pj> uniquenick: have you set this to no^^^^?
[21:21:59] <pj> and that factoid is messed up
[21:22:36] <pj> !forget smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient 2
[21:22:39] <pj> !smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient
[21:22:40] <knoba> pj: "smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Request that the Postfix SMTP server always rejects mail for unknown recipient addresses. This prevents the Postfix queue from filling up with undeliverable MAILER-DAEMON messages. This feature is not available prior to Postfix 2.1.
[21:25:14] <uniquenick> lunaphyte_: so if I use dovecot for local delivery, what all does postfix stop caring about? virtual_mailbox_maps, virtual_mailbox_domains and virtual_alias_maps?
[21:25:43] <lunaphyte_> it always cares about virtual_alias_maps
[21:25:46] <lunaphyte_> but the others, yes.
[21:26:24] <dot8> pj: can you help me with this?
[21:26:39] <pj> dot8: I need to see relevant_logs as per the factoid
[21:27:37] <dot8> pj: jepp, in /var/log/ is only mail.log
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[21:28:08] <pj> dot8: read the factoid
[21:31:07] <uniquenick> lunaphyte_: if I use lda instead of lmtp does the same thing still hold true?
[21:31:38] <rob0> .8, if system users are used, it probably means the domain you thought was "virtual" is actually listed in $mydestination.
[21:31:42] <lunaphyte_> uniquenick: yes
[21:31:53] <rob0> !tell dot8 basic
[21:31:53] <knoba> dot8: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:32:00] <rob0> !tell dot8 mydestination
[21:32:00] <knoba> dot8: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination for more information.
[21:38:46] <dot8> rob0: thats it. thank you so much!
[21:42:43] <pj> uniquenick: it doesn't matter what you use for your delivery agent, postfix will still check your restrictions and still follows other settings such as smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient listed above.
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[22:37:43] <Shinobi> how can I get 1 mail from mbox to a text file?
[22:38:19] <lunaphyte_> cat
[22:38:54] <Shinobi> lunaphyte_ wouldn't that cat the whole mbox?
[22:38:58] <lunaphyte_> sure
[22:39:10] <lunaphyte_> the one mail you want will be in that output
[22:39:35] <Shinobi> so will everything else I don't want
[22:39:36] <lunaphyte_> so from there you can just process the output as desired
[22:39:43] <Shinobi> what's the delimiter
[22:40:09] <lunaphyte_> look at the file and see
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[23:35:25] <Shinobi> Does postfix drop spammy messages by default?
[23:35:58] <Zelest> o_O
[23:36:34] <Shinobi> read something about antispam message 500
[23:37:09] <Zelest> Postfix doesn't automagically know if a message is "spammy" or not.. so no, it doesn't. :-)
[23:37:48] <Zelest> It does have a few protocol checks and such (disabled by default) but none of them do content filtering.
[23:39:06] <Shinobi> ok cool
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[23:46:18] <uniquenick> I am getting "Recipient address rejected: mydomain.com". does that mean I have something wrong with my smtpd_recipient_restrictions?
[23:52:11] <rob0> It might mean that. We don't know.
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[23:54:31] <waldi> uniquenick: this means you get mail for a domain that does not belong to you (mydomain.com), maybe you mean example.com
[23:54:44] <jimpop> I am getting "Recipient address rejected: Access denied [RCPT_TO]" and what I want to get is "Recipient address rejected: You must be subscribed to post!"
[23:54:55] <jimpop> argh!
[23:55:26] <uniquenick> I'm connecting to port 587, using smtp auth, which is succeeding, but then I get that recipient address rejected
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[23:56:34] <uniquenick> should the log be saying postfix/submission or postfix/smtpd?
[23:58:13] <waldi> depends on your config
[23:58:56] <rob0> jimpop, give your reject a message
[23:59:42] <rob0> check_client_access cidr:/path/to/global/reject
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