October 20, 2013 
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TomHome has joined #postfix[06:25:38] <TomHome> hey guys, any ideas on how I can block spammers using port 587 with the right credentials, I already have smarts to find if a 'user' is abusing it but these spammers have a big botnet and slowly trickle their spam throught my server[06:26:12] <TomHome> I am after so community recommendations on how to annoy them the most[06:27:46] <TomHome> *some[06:38:04] <pj> TomHome: don't let them get the credentials[06:38:51] <pj> TomHome: other than that, you can rate-limit your users, and you can block IPs from countries that your users will not be sending from.[06:39:21] <adaptr> and you can require client certificates[06:40:12] <pj> well, yes, you can do that as well, if you want to put your users through that.[06:40:33] <pj> you can also enforce the envelope sender.[06:43:38] *** tona has joined #postfix[06:43:53] *** Bronze has quit IRC[06:45:37] <TomHome> ok, I already rate limit them 1connection/5emails[06:45:45] <TomHome> I cannot have client certs[06:46:06] <TomHome> <pj> you can also enforce the envelope sender.[06:46:11] <TomHome> how would that help ?[06:47:11] <TomHome> and yes I do block the IPs based on different home made critera (same login but too many different IPs in a 30min periods for instance)[06:47:25] <TomHome> but these bastards still trickle spams[06:47:44] <TomHome> they don't send many but sometimes enough for spambot to blacklist a server[06:48:04] <pj> TomHome: prevent spoofing the envelope sender, which is a common technique of spammers.[06:48:43] <pj> TomHome: and you should be blocking the account if you find that it is compromised.[06:48:52] <pj> don't just block some IPs.[06:49:28] *** tona has quit IRC[06:49:34] <pj> TomHome: also you should scan your outbound mail.[06:50:01] <TomHome> pj blocking account AND IPs[06:50:19] <pj> TomHome: ok[06:50:33] <pj> TomHome: well, enforce strong passwords?[06:50:47] <pj> educate your users about phishing[06:51:22] <TomHome> yes of course but we all know education is one thing that takes time[06:51:30] <pj> TomHome: sure.[06:51:37] <TomHome> I fear I will have to use spamassassin[06:51:44] <TomHome> I thought about using some RBLs as well[06:51:49] <pj> TomHome: yes, you should be scanning all outbound mail.[06:51:56] <pj> RBLs don't work on outbound mail.[06:52:01] <pj> well some do[06:52:12] <pj> but you have to be careful that you're not blocking based on policy lists.[06:52:24] <TomHome> I randomly took 10 abusive IPs[06:52:26] <pj> anyways, I have to go, bbl[06:52:32] <TomHome> and 8 of them are in RBL[06:52:40] <pj> TomHome: yes, but which RBL?[06:52:41] <TomHome> and 4 of them are in cbl.abuseat and barracuda[06:52:59] <pj> ok, you need to be careful[06:53:00] <TomHome> the rest I cannot use (Chile dnsbl or RBLs I don't know ;)[06:53:03] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[06:53:29] <pj> RBLs block based on policy, which means that a lot of IPs are blocked simply because they are residential IPs and should not be in use by another server.[06:53:30] <pj> it'[06:53:38] <pj> it's fine to use those for inbound mail[06:53:51] <pj> but if you use them for outbound, you will be blocking your own users from submitting mail.[06:53:58] <TomHome> the problem with spamassassin is that it needs love (aka a lot of tweaking work)[06:54:09] <pj> TomHome: yep, so get tweaking.[06:54:11] <TomHome> pj: yes it's a risk[06:54:24] <pj> it's not just a risk, it's a certainty.[06:54:29] <TomHome> ;)[06:54:40] <TomHome> well[06:54:46] <pj> policy blocking of submission means blocking your own users.[06:55:03] <pj> because policy blocking is meant to block on the MX port (25), not for submission.[06:55:03] <TomHome> I will make my mind but I just wanted to have another opinion, I am aware of all the solutions, none of them are miraculous[06:55:21] <TomHome> yep yep I know[06:55:23] <pj> TomHome: right, the best solution is to combine as much as possible.[06:55:27] <TomHome> but spam is war[06:55:35] <pj> there is no one magic bullet[06:55:38] <TomHome> and you have to adapt in a war[06:55:56] <TomHome> yeah sadly no magic bullet[06:56:02] <pj> ok,I really have to go now[06:56:04] <pj> bbl[06:56:22] <TomHome> see ya[06:56:28] <TomHome> thanks for sharing your ideas[06:56:47] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[07:06:09] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[07:07:24] *** tona has joined #postfix[07:07:28] <tona> hello guys[07:08:48] <tona> how can i avoid to send one specify email account in lunux[07:13:07] *** micols has joined #postfix[07:13:46] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[07:14:48] *** NightTrain has joined #postfix[07:22:12] <tona> how can i use Postfix Per-Client[07:45:13] <tona> hello[07:45:55] <tona> i am checking my logs in one account from my domain is sending many emails but nobody is sending it just the postfix server could somoene help to fix this issue[07:53:40] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[07:55:09] *** moldy has quit IRC[07:57:21] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[08:06:54] <tona> hello[08:07:01] <tona> are there someone here[08:28:31] *** defaultro has quit IRC[08:54:03] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[08:57:15] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[09:00:21] *** tona has quit IRC[09:10:49] *** fling has quit IRC[09:14:57] *** fling has joined #postfix[09:20:59] *** jarif has quit IRC[09:54:42] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[09:55:39] *** maxter has joined #postfix[09:57:48] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[09:59:46] *** fling has quit IRC[10:00:46] *** fling has joined #postfix[10:00:52] *** fling has quit IRC[10:00:52] *** fling has joined #postfix[10:02:02] *** Buuyo has left #postfix[10:09:09] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[10:14:42] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[10:16:41] *** maxter has quit IRC[10:16:44] *** maxter_ has joined #postfix[10:23:18] *** freinhard has joined #postfix[10:23:52] *** jarif has joined #postfix[10:28:41] *** nathanhi has quit IRC[10:34:34] *** Guest77409 has joined #postfix[10:55:02] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[10:56:04] *** TomHome has quit IRC[10:56:42] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:58:35] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[11:11:17] *** freinhard has quit IRC[11:55:31] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[11:58:51] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[12:05:55] *** rawburt has joined #postfix[12:06:26] <rawburt> any way to take in mail from ServerA, add a header, and send it back to Servera?[12:06:33] <rawburt> ServerA*[12:06:34] *** Hydrazine has quit IRC[12:07:26] *** Hydrazine has joined #postfix[12:08:01] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[12:11:41] *** Sandy_Locke has joined #postfix[12:14:36] *** Sandy_Locke has quit IRC[12:14:58] *** sandy_locke has joined #postfix[12:15:05] *** sandy_locke has left #postfix[12:25:52] *** oo_miguel has joined #postfix[12:29:13] *** sandy_locke has joined #postfix[12:30:16] *** sandy_locke has left #postfix[12:33:29] *** trusktr has quit IRC[12:46:01] <oo_miguel> I have smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes[12:46:14] <oo_miguel> is this encrypted or are the credentials transfered plain text?[12:56:01] *** davlefou__ has joined 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#postfix[14:54:11] *** amospalla has quit IRC[14:57:11] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[14:59:49] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[15:04:27] *** amospalla has joined #postfix[15:05:39] *** maxter__ has joined #postfix[15:06:44] *** tona has joined #postfix[15:19:33] *** wdp has quit IRC[15:22:06] *** wdp has joined #postfix[15:22:06] *** wdp has joined #postfix[15:28:14] *** roentgen has quit IRC[15:33:06] *** tona has joined #postfix[15:33:09] <tona> hello[15:34:01] <tona> my sever postfix it is sending one existing account many mails how can i stop it , i have changed my password on that account and nothing happend continue to send many emails[15:36:34] <_NiC> I have two postfix servers in front of my real servers, using transport_maps/relay_domains to deliver mail there, and now I would like to put incoming mails to postfix for certain domains on hold, because we're moving them between "backend servers". I have a "check_recipient_access pcre:/etc/postfix/recipient_checks.pcre" under smtpd_recipient_restrictions, can I add the domain there with HOLD?[15:38:56] <tona> my server is sending many emails how can i stop it[15:39:40] <_NiC> tona, figure out where they are generated, and stop that.[15:40:03] <_NiC> tona, if they're already in the postfix queue, you can delete them from the queue[15:40:41] <tona> how can i delete it into queue[15:41:28] <_NiC> tona, postsuper -d deletes a mail from the queue[15:41:39] <_NiC> tona, see man postsuper[15:42:20] <_NiC> tona, postqueue -p will show you the queue to figure out which mails you want to delete[15:42:40] <_NiC> tona, if the queue is huge, you could block outgoing conections on port 25 in iptables first, to avoid them being delivered as you figure out what to delete[15:42:51] <Patrickdk> !tell tona getting_help[15:42:51] <knoba> tona: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[15:44:56] <tona> _NIC you told me figure out where they are generated and atop it , where should i find it, or how could i find it[15:45:18] <_NiC> tona, in the log I suppose[15:46:38] <tona> but i have check on my logs and just see one existing mail account named antonio is sending many mails , i have erase and continue to send emails[15:47:05] <Patrickdk> !tell tona getting_help[15:47:05] <knoba> tona: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[15:48:31] <tona> this is my pastebin http://pastebin.ca/2469011[15:48:34] <tona> on my logs[15:48:40] <_NiC> Do I need to reload postfix to make it re-read pcre maps?[15:49:01] <tona> how could i stop this account from my server to send emails[15:50:44] <tona> this is my pastebin on my logs http://pastebin.ca/2469011[15:50:56] <Patrickdk> !relevent_logs[15:50:56] <knoba> Patrickdk: Error: "relevent_logs" is not a valid command.[15:51:03] <Patrickdk> !releventlogs[15:51:03] <knoba> Patrickdk: Error: "releventlogs" is not a valid command.[15:51:06] <Patrickdk> oh well[15:51:11] <_NiC> relevant? :)[15:51:12] <Patrickdk> those logs are useless[15:51:18] <rob0> _NiC, yes, or wait until the process restarts; no more than 10 minutes with smtpd[15:51:23] <Patrickdk> !relevant_logs[15:51:24] <knoba> Patrickdk: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[15:52:11] <rob0> _NiC, also don't forget to lengthen this if necessary:[15:52:19] <rob0> !maximal_queue_lifetime[15:52:20] <knoba> rob0: "maximal_queue_lifetime" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal time a message is queued before it is sent back as undeliverable, the default value is 5 days.[15:52:49] <_NiC> hey, cool, log says "Recipient address triggers HOLD action" now[15:52:50] <tona> how can i check what script is generating it how can i avoid it i really need help[15:52:56] <rob0> In general you're better off with hash: maps for simple things.[15:53:09] <_NiC> hm, but is it in fact holding..[15:53:34] <_NiC> rob0, yeah, I have a few hash: maps as well, but this seems to be the path of least resistance for me right now ;)[15:53:56] <rob0> Nice benefit of hash: maps is that no reload is needed.[15:54:04] <rob0> postmap and go[15:54:25] <_NiC> ah, postqueue says I have two mails in hold queue. nice.[15:57:28] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[15:58:08] <_NiC> tona, you need to read the logs and figure out 1) are new mails entering the queue, 2) where are they generated[16:00:08] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[16:00:18] <tona> _NIC could you help me to answer these questions please[16:00:28] <tona> how can i know it[16:00:32] <_NiC> tona, you'll need to provide relevant logs as explained above.[16:01:10] <_NiC> rob0, each domain will only be on hold for a short time during the move, probably max an hour, so I think it'll be fine.[16:01:22] <_NiC> at least as long as I remember to unhold them :-)[16:01:36] <rob0> First thing, if spam is being relayed through you, stop Postfix. Second, determine where they came from.[16:01:37] <tona> ok let me know,i run postsuper -p and dont show me any information[16:02:50] <tona> open relay is not open on my server[16:03:13] <tona> just see on my log , they are using a existing account mail named antonio@mydomain[16:06:14] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[16:06:35] <_NiC> When a message is received and placed in the HOLD queue, has it already determined the transport map for it when it's unholded/delivered, or will a change to my transport_maps take effect when the mail is unholded/delivered?[16:07:02] <_NiC> tona, so smtp authentication?[16:08:25] <tona> yes[16:08:42] <tona> i am using smtp authentication with sas[16:09:23] <tona> i was readin in internet i should use postcat command to determinate in header email where is this script, could tell me how to use this command postcat[16:11:00] <tona> i used postcat email@com no such file or duirectoy[16:11:40] <Zerberus> tona: the documentation you need is available on your server, see man postcat[16:11:43] <_NiC> tona, you need to read a few man pages. postqueue, postcat and postsuper will be a good start.[16:12:15] <Patrickdk> dunno why he needs to read any of that[16:12:23] <Patrickdk> if he already knows what account is compromised now[16:12:42] <_NiC> Patrickdk, to understand what arguments to give postcat, for starters. :)[16:12:54] <Patrickdk> yes, but why does he need postcat?[16:13:03] <tona> that is true do you believe i will waste a long time , please guys help me to fix this problem[16:13:08] <_NiC> he mentions a script[16:13:54] <tona> ok i could read the documentation[16:14:14] <tona> but is there one way to detect it , how to block this account named antonio@mydomain[16:14:40] <Patrickdk> change their password :)[16:15:14] <tona> i have done it but nothing happend, i have erase this account and nothing happend, i have recreated the acccount and nothing happend[16:15:30] <Patrickdk> you still haven't shown logs[16:15:32] <_NiC> tona, and you're sure that emails are still actually being generated?[16:17:09] <tona> yes[16:17:51] <tona> one account named antonio@mydomain is sending many emails i want to stop it reject or block[16:18:01] <_NiC> tona, show us why you think that.[16:18:02] <Zerberus> tona: dammit, show logs[16:18:23] <tona> this is my pastebin on my logs http://pastebin.ca/2469011[16:18:23] * Patrickdk can deal with logs, but panties are nicer to look at[16:18:24] <Zerberus> and not just the part *you think* is relevant[16:18:39] <Zerberus> that is just old queued stuff[16:21:25] <tona> ok this is my current logs http://pastebin.ca/2469020[16:22:36] <Zerberus> where do you see new mail coming in from that log snipplet?[16:24:14] <tona> on /var/log/mail[16:25:20] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[16:26:06] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[16:26:39] <tona> hi[16:26:45] <_NiC> tona, there's nothing in your paste that gives any information.[16:29:36] <tona> what type information[16:30:42] <Zerberus> tona: you stated that new mails is coming in from account antonio at conectividadinternacional dot com - where is that shown?[16:32:59] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[16:39:51] <tona> how can i do it Zerbeus[16:43:20] *** tona has quit IRC[16:43:22] <Zerberus> tona: sorry to say, but if you cannot handle and understand the log content produced by Postfix, you should not run it[16:48:28] *** maxter__ has quit IRC[16:50:19] *** maxter has joined #postfix[16:58:08] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[16:58:51] <lunaphyte> running a mail server isn't something you do before you become reasonably proficient at general administration and operation of linux[17:01:06] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[17:12:43] *** Pegasus_RPG has joined #postfix[17:13:05] *** Pegasus_RPG has left #postfix[17:23:30] <adaptr> Patrickdk: damn it, show panties[17:24:55] <Patrickdk> !show_panties[17:24:55] <knoba> Patrickdk: Error: "show_panties" is not a valid command.[17:28:55] *** maxter has quit IRC[17:43:40] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[17:49:41] *** ashura has joined #postfix[17:57:52] <ek> Hah![17:58:23] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[18:01:51] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[18:03:05] *** mns has quit IRC[18:17:11] <cybrNaut> feminist bot[18:21:07] *** kli0rf is now known as sputnik[18:23:12] *** mns has joined #postfix[18:29:25] *** nicoo has quit IRC[18:31:38] *** nicoo has joined #postfix[18:38:09] <tmberg> !code[18:38:09] <knoba> tmberg: Error: "code" is not a valid command.[18:38:11] <tmberg> !codes[18:38:11] <knoba> tmberg: Error: "codes" is not a valid command.[18:40:41] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[18:40:57] *** UQlev has quit IRC[18:59:27] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[19:02:06] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[19:04:36] *** davlefouAMD has quit IRC[19:06:15] *** maxter has joined #postfix[19:16:32] *** terr1_ has quit IRC[19:21:09] *** jarif has quit IRC[19:27:04] *** terr1 has joined #postfix[19:47:36] *** wdp has quit IRC[19:51:13] *** wdp has joined #postfix[19:59:30] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[20:00:07] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[20:02:54] *** wdp has quit IRC[20:03:08] *** wdp has joined #postfix[20:03:08] *** wdp has joined #postfix[20:03:15] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[20:05:54] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[20:09:29] *** ced117 has quit IRC[20:13:08] *** sputnik has quit IRC[20:16:09] <adaptr> tmberg: what are you looking for[20:17:03] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[20:22:06] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[20:25:15] *** zerick has joined #postfix[20:38:28] *** zerick has quit IRC[20:43:27] *** ced117 has quit IRC[20:56:04] *** oleole has joined #postfix[20:56:43] <oleole> Hey guys. I have set up a postfix server that relays mails from a client server. However, I don't want the client's server IP to be shown in the e-mail (only the postfix server IP should be shown), and I've tried this: http://major.io/2013/04/14/remove-sensitive-information-from-email-headers-with-postfix/[20:57:05] <oleole> But it still shows in the Received header. Like: Received: from POSTFIX-IP (unknown [CLIENT-IP])[20:57:22] <oleole> Is there any way I can remove that (unknown [CLIENT-IP]) or get my postfix server ip listed instead?[20:59:04] *** jarif has joined #postfix[21:00:48] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[21:01:58] *** oleole has quit IRC[21:03:01] *** davlefou has quit IRC[21:22:21] *** err-or has quit IRC[21:22:51] *** err-or has joined #postfix[22:00:29] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[22:03:51] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[22:08:28] *** nexuizkid-zotac has joined #postfix[22:08:56] *** terr1 has quit IRC[22:09:34] *** nexuizkid-zotac has left #postfix[22:09:42] *** maxter has quit IRC[22:13:00] *** maxter has joined #postfix[22:21:49] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[22:30:40] *** maxmahem has quit IRC[22:31:26] *** terr1 has joined #postfix[22:32:05] *** Guest76588 has joined #postfix[22:32:08] *** Guest76588 has quit IRC[22:32:48] *** Guest76588 has joined #postfix[22:32:50] *** Guest76588 has quit IRC[22:34:08] *** Guest76588 has joined #postfix[22:34:11] *** Guest76588 has quit IRC[22:34:50] *** Guest76588 has joined #postfix[22:35:43] *** maxmahem has joined #postfix[22:58:00] *** Bronze has quit IRC[23:01:00] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[23:03:07] *** kiri has quit IRC[23:04:08] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[23:04:52] *** kiri has joined #postfix[23:05:41] *** sharky_ has joined #postfix[23:09:21] *** sharky has quit IRC[23:13:39] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[23:16:17] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[23:17:37] *** abyss has quit IRC[23:20:52] *** dylukes has quit IRC[23:21:14] *** ashura has quit IRC[23:22:07] *** jarif has quit IRC[23:23:48] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[23:24:53] *** maxter has quit IRC[23:31:17] *** sharky_ has quit IRC[23:41:56] *** dylukes has quit IRC[23:48:51] *** cilly has joined #postfix[23:50:59] *** cilly has left #postfix