October 18, 2013 
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October 18, 2013 [00:03:48] *** err-or_ has joined #postfix[00:07:09] *** err-or has quit IRC[00:07:58] *** fenrig has joined #postfix[00:08:26] <fenrig> Hi I'm having trouble setting up postfix[00:08:56] <fenrig> "rcpt to:<fenrig at lin dot fen_domain.be>" results in "451 4.3.0 <fenrig at lin dot fen_domain.be>: Temporary lookup failure"[00:09:14] <fenrig> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/postfix#Step_9:_Postfix_check[00:09:28] <fenrig> I followed this guide but I changed the domain and the hostname offcourse[00:11:21] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[00:14:12] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[00:14:48] <fenrig> I also used the postman -q <> mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-... tests :o[00:14:59] <fenrig> but I suppose the queries in those files only work using postman?[00:22:28] *** p3rror has quit IRC[00:23:59] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[00:24:22] *** fenrig has quit IRC[00:25:19] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[00:26:41] *** fenrig has joined #postfix[00:26:48] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[00:26:51] *** n0sq has quit IRC[00:27:07] <fenrig> !debug[00:27:07] <knoba> fenrig: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post information including NON-verbose logs in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[00:28:04] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[00:29:16] <fenrig> https://gist.github.com/fenrig/7033445[00:35:03] *** nb has quit IRC[00:38:54] *** nb has joined #postfix[00:38:56] *** dtcrshr has quit IRC[00:55:25] *** twb has joined #postfix[00:58:35] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:08:16] *** fenrig has quit IRC[01:27:20] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[01:31:21] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[01:32:00] *** cbm_ has quit IRC[01:33:09] *** rob0__ has quit IRC[01:36:28] *** Zerberus has quit IRC[01:44:34] *** hallamigo has quit IRC[01:46:58] *** zerick has quit IRC[01:47:46] *** axisys has quit IRC[01:48:21] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[02:02:55] *** Southron has joined #postfix[02:14:18] *** cnu- has quit IRC[02:14:49] *** cnu- has joined #postfix[02:24:10] *** Motoko has quit IRC[02:27:18] *** Roukoswarf has joined #postfix[02:28:07] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[02:28:18] <Roukoswarf> hello, i have an interesting problem... alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases in the master.cf[02:28:34] <Roukoswarf> yet,postfix/submission/smtpd[8140]: error: open database /etc/postfix/aliases.db: No such file or directory[02:28:51] <Roukoswarf> it... should not be looking for this file[02:29:26] <lunaphyte> why not?[02:29:47] <Roukoswarf> because i have a file, called aliases, and the config is pointing to it, yet it goes for aliases.db[02:29:56] <twb> man newaliases[02:30:02] <lunaphyte> if you don't want it to look for an alias_maps database, then remove it from your config[02:30:19] <Roukoswarf> twb: this is an unmodified base install, figured it wouldnt need newaliases[02:30:33] <Roukoswarf> lunaphyte: i want aliases, i just dont know why its looking for the wrong file[02:30:50] <lunaphyte> you'll also want to read database_readme before using various database types, lest you do so without being familiar with their operation and conjure up erroneous expectations.[02:30:56] <lunaphyte> it's not looking for the wrong file.[02:31:10] <lunaphyte> it's behaving as documented.[02:31:31] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[02:31:33] <lunaphyte> if you believe otherwise, you'll need to point out where in the documentation it is stated to the contrary.[02:31:37] <Roukoswarf> lunaphyte: i used a config from a different distro, same filename, same file its pointing to, different path and postfix version[02:31:48] <lunaphyte> don't do that.[02:31:49] <Roukoswarf> merged the config properly ofc[02:32:09] <Roukoswarf> only stuff like auth and host[02:32:17] <lunaphyte> and you did not generate the has database[02:32:20] <lunaphyte> *hash[02:32:30] <lunaphyte> prove that file does not exist on the functioning computer[02:32:53] <Roukoswarf> well, thats odd, i thought the package would come with it generated[02:33:00] <Roukoswarf> did on rhel[02:33:15] <Roukoswarf> i feel silly now[02:33:17] <Roukoswarf> as i should[02:34:20] <Roukoswarf> thanks all[02:34:48] <lunaphyte> sure thing, you're welcome.[02:35:29] <Roukoswarf> its safe to only need client restrictions in master.cf, correct?[02:36:58] <lunaphyte> i don't understand what you're asking[02:37:25] <Roukoswarf> http://paste.debian.net/59070/[02:37:36] <Roukoswarf> the default config, with client_ristrictions edited[02:37:47] <lunaphyte> don't do that.[02:37:48] <Roukoswarf> the $mua vars are undefined[02:38:04] <Roukoswarf> and not present in any of my other mailservers[02:38:05] <lunaphyte> use only smtpd_recipient_restrictions[02:38:26] <lunaphyte> ugh. that config is *not* intelligent.[02:38:31] <Roukoswarf> previously, on centos, it would reject senselessly unless i used client[02:38:40] <Roukoswarf> usually arch configs are just direct from upstream[02:38:44] <lunaphyte> some package shipped that as its default? shame on them.[02:39:05] <Roukoswarf> all the other configs were stock[02:39:48] <Roukoswarf> thar, starting without error, time for dovecot config merge :p[02:39:49] <lunaphyte> "stock" isn't meaningful in the context of software from some package maintainer.[02:40:02] <Roukoswarf> well, stock from upstream[02:40:25] <Roukoswarf> main.cf was an exact mirror of every other distro and self compiled install ive seen[02:40:30] <Roukoswarf> just master.cf that is wonky[02:42:17] <lunaphyte> well, that config is certainly not well built, and not responsible. probably similar deficiencies in main.cf [and i doubt it reflects the source distribution][02:42:37] <Roukoswarf> i read through main.cf fully[02:42:42] <Roukoswarf> its clean[02:43:01] <Roukoswarf> a diff turns up like, 12 lines, all paths[02:43:53] <lunaphyte> wel that's good then[02:43:56] <lunaphyte> *well[02:44:44] *** jaymz has quit IRC[02:46:06] *** Guest02377-50092 has quit IRC[03:03:42] *** internat has joined #postfix[03:09:00] <Roukoswarf> lunaphyte: smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth is not standard in all distros is it?[03:10:36] <lunaphyte> beats me. i don't chronicle such things[03:16:52] <Roukoswarf> warning: SASL: Connect to /var/run/dovecot/auth-client failed: Permission denied[03:17:03] <Roukoswarf> does postfix need specific perms for the sasl auth file?[03:17:31] <Roukoswarf> currently that file is 0600 owned by dovecot[03:28:11] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[03:31:57] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[03:43:30] <Roukoswarf> what could cause dovecot to not deliver mail to external clients, but it auths fine without errors[03:47:22] *** moparisthebest_ has joined #postfix[03:48:14] *** moparisthebest has quit IRC[03:48:18] <Roukoswarf> nvm, found the config[03:56:29] *** Roukoswarf has left #postfix[04:02:18] <splashs> a bit confused with dovecot and postfix, when i move a message from inbox to a folder with thunderbird, is that done by dovecot or postfix?[04:02:47] <staticsafe> Dovecot[04:02:53] <buki> yes you are :)[04:03:46] <splashs> so if i have postfix configured with mbox, there is only one file that postfix delivers mail to for a particular user?[04:03:59] <splashs> ie, the 'inbox' file?[04:04:05] <splashs> everything else is setup by dovecot?[04:05:50] <pj> splashs: correct provided you are using the (default) local or virtual delivery agent.[04:06:24] <buki> you can even have dovecot as a mailbox delivery agent[04:06:42] <splashs> with the lda?[04:06:48] <pj> yes, that's correct, in which case postfix simply hands the message off to dovecot and doesn't touch your mailbox files at all.[04:07:12] <buki> or lmtp[04:07:25] <splashs> yeah, there does seem to be duplication with mbox files[04:07:29] <pj> yes, dovecot lda, or lmtp (which I recommend over lda)[04:08:13] <pj> splashs: my recommendation is to use the default postfix-supplied delivery agents unless you have a specific reason why you need to use another one.[04:10:04] <splashs> pj: i use postfix's default virtual delivery agent, and dovecot for authentication[04:10:14] <pj> splashs: that's fine[04:11:13] <splashs> found myself migrating the mail server to a cheaper host today and yesterday, and i'm re-learning all this stuff again[04:11:44] *** nutron has joined #postfix[04:12:00] <splashs> love sysadmin sometimes[04:13:26] *** nutron has quit IRC[04:13:58] <splashs> why challenge myself to this point is beyond me ... although hotmail deleted half of my mail on one of my accounts for no apparent reason and after speaking to their 'customer service' there was no way they could get it back[04:14:37] *** nutron has joined #postfix[04:17:15] <pj> yeah, I've been having a go with hotmail recently for a few different reasons.[04:17:56] <splashs> well, be careful, not trustworthy sometimes[04:28:56] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[04:32:23] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[04:39:11] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[04:42:36] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[04:50:32] <pj> splashs: yeah, no kidding.[04:59:16] *** Ulver has joined #postfix[05:01:58] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[05:12:00] *** j4jackj has joined #postfix[05:12:35] *** Ulver has quit IRC[05:12:58] *** 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#postfix[07:34:49] *** laluna2013 has joined #postfix[07:36:07] <laluna2013> hello[07:36:42] *** doug has left #postfix[07:37:43] <laluna2013> anyone here able to help me with a sasl issue? smtptest -a {user} locoalhost authenticates... postfix displays: "warning: SASL authentication failure: no user in db", postfix, cyrus, cyrus-sasl2, auxprop / sasldb[07:38:40] <laluna2013> sasldblistusers2 displays users and postfix has permission to read it[07:47:00] <laluna2013> is anyone in here alive?[07:54:12] *** UQlev has quit IRC[08:14:13] *** laluna2013 has quit IRC[08:15:23] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[08:20:23] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[08:25:01] *** stram_ has quit IRC[08:30:41] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[08:30:46] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[08:31:15] *** Bronze has quit IRC[08:34:19] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[08:42:21] *** splashs has quit IRC[08:49:26] *** Elisha has quit IRC[08:58:33] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:00:44] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[09:03:49] *** 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How can verify if Postfix is sending email via TLS to a server 100% known to accept TLS connections? smtp, smptd TLS security levels are set to 'may'; relevant config parameters here: http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=46103 - thanks in advance :)[09:48:24] *** afuentes has joined #postfix[09:50:12] <twb> pr3d4t0r: tcpdump[09:50:23] * pr3d4t0r facepalms[09:50:30] <twb> As to how can you *configure* it to only try TLS, I dunno[09:50:33] <pr3d4t0r> twb: Thanks. That would've been easier.[09:50:44] <twb> yw :-)[09:50:49] <pr3d4t0r> twb: Yeah, it's just late and I had a case of the stupid :) thanks :)[09:51:15] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[09:51:37] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[10:05:12] <pr3d4t0r> twb: STARTTLS in the dump -- cheers! :)[10:05:14] <pr3d4t0r> Z z .[10:05:16] *** pr3d4t0r has left #postfix[10:07:49] *** moldy has joined #postfix[10:07:54] <moldy> hi[10:11:02] *** _val_ has quit IRC[10:19:22] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[10:29:42] *** fenrig has joined #postfix[10:30:49] <fenrig> Hi i'm having trouble with postfix[10:31:10] <fenrig> https://gist.github.com/fenrig/7033445[10:31:23] <fenrig> I test it with telnet localhost 25[10:31:28] <fenrig> and then giving in the commands[10:31:37] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[10:32:51] *** twb has quit IRC[10:33:47] <fenrig> "rcpt to:<fenrig at lin dot fen_domain.org>" results in "451 4.3.0 <fenrig at lin dot fen_domain.org>: Temporary lookup failure"7[10:34:07] *** _ruben has quit IRC[10:34:15] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[10:35:17] *** davlefou has quit IRC[10:35:23] <honestly> check your mail.log[10:35:45] <honestly> it will tell you how exactly the lookup failed[10:39:05] *** neotheo has joined #postfix[10:39:34] <Aprogas> On a side note, you should take warnings from postconf seriously, even though that will not cause this issue.[10:40:40] <fenrig> Aprogas: okay will do[10:40:58] <fenrig> apparently I still have to enable the use of /var/log/mail.log[10:41:06] <Aprogas> Use dig to check the A and MX records of the domain part.[10:41:15] <Aprogas> On some systems it is called /var/log/maillog or maybe some other variation[10:41:21] <Aprogas> Check your syslog settings[10:42:53] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:43:13] <fenrig> don't have that one either -.-[10:43:43] <fenrig> "After upgrading to systemd, syslog-ng is unnecessary for most users and can be uninstalled, since the systemd journal provides this functionality."[10:43:48] <fenrig> I'm using arch on this one[10:44:27] <Aprogas> Whereever you read that line, probably has more explanation about the new logging way under systemd[10:45:35] <fenrig> Oct 18 04:32:12 linuxWEBSERVICES postfix/cleanup[1051]: warning: hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias lookup error for "maregt0 at gmail dot com" Oct 18 04:32:12 linuxWEBSERVICES postfix/cleanup[1051]: warning: 0C30B80444: virtual_alias_maps map lookup problem for maregt0 at gmail dot com -- deferring delivery[10:45:48] <fenrig> I'm using an empty /etc/postfix/virtual_alias[10:46:04] <Aprogas> Why are you using virtual_alias_maps if it is empty?[10:46:22] <fenrig> because the archwiki tutorial suggested it :)7[10:46:32] <survietamine> ...[10:46:33] <fenrig> I'm not a postfix pro so[10:46:34] <Aprogas> And why is a @gmail.com address being checked against your virtual_alias_maps ?[10:46:37] <Aprogas> !tutorial[10:46:37] <knoba> Aprogas: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[10:46:57] <Aprogas> Link me this archwiki tutorial, usually archwiki is sensible so I want to see it.[10:47:03] <fenrig> I try to learn how to use it[10:47:26] <Aprogas> Learn to walk before running.[10:47:32] <Aprogas> Using mysql-backed virtual mailboxes is running.[10:47:44] <fenrig> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/postfix#Step_4:_.2Fetc.2Fpostfix.2Faliases[10:48:20] <Aprogas> Don't use that tutorial anymore.[10:49:11] <Aprogas> The sendmail-style aliases format (key: value) only exists for backwards compatibility, it shouldn't be used for postfix-specific virtual aliases, which uses postfix own mapping format (key value)[10:50:15] <survietamine> I don't see where in this wiki page they tell you to create an empty file[10:50:56] <fenrig> well I don't have any use for it[10:51:27] <fenrig> oh yeah :D[10:51:29] <Aprogas> !tell fenrig basic[10:51:29] <knoba> fenrig: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[10:51:29] <fenrig> I see now[10:52:32] <fenrig> warning: hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias lookup error for "maregt0 at gmail dot com"[10:52:49] <fenrig> uhm[10:52:51] <survietamine> fenrig: how did you run this : postalias /etc/postfix/virtual_alias[10:52:51] <fenrig> I mean[10:52:52] <survietamine> ?[10:52:53] <fenrig> warning: hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias lookup error for "maregt0 at lin dot fen_domain.be"[11:00:29] <fenrig> survietamine: I fixed the problem, but I still have the 451 4.3.0 <fenrig at lin dot fen_domain.be>: Temporary lookup failure[11:01:23] <fenrig> https://gist.github.com/fenrig/7038693[11:05:00] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[11:06:15] *** cnu- has quit IRC[11:06:21] *** cnu- has joined #postfix[11:09:03] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[11:10:29] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[11:13:35] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[11:14:09] *** j4jackj has joined #postfix[11:16:11] *** shadyabhi has quit IRC[11:17:11] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[11:18:50] *** j4jackj has quit IRC[11:22:44] *** cilly has joined #postfix[11:30:00] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[11:32:15] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[11:35:40] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[11:36:11] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[11:36:27] *** maxter has quit IRC[11:36:51] *** fenrig has quit IRC[11:49:01] *** cilly has left #postfix[11:52:39] *** sharky has joined #postfix[12:17:19] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:25:30] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[12:32:39] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[12:36:37] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[12:59:31] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[13:00:00] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[13:02:13] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[13:02:24] *** morse has quit IRC[13:04:51] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[13:05:24] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[13:05:57] *** maxter has joined #postfix[13:08:46] *** jelly has quit IRC[13:08:51] *** morse has joined #postfix[13:14:53] *** davlefouAMD has joined #postfix[13:33:18] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[13:36:12] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[13:55:22] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:16:01] *** CrunchyChewie has quit IRC[14:17:03] *** kenyon has quit IRC[14:18:52] *** CrunchyChewie has joined #postfix[14:18:56] *** kenyon has joined #postfix[14:27:09] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[14:29:01] *** MaximusColourum_ has joined #postfix[14:31:15] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[14:31:15] *** MaximusColourum_ is now known as MaximusColourum[14:32:00] *** staticsafe-znc has quit IRC[14:32:43] *** staticsafe-znc has joined #postfix[14:35:19] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[14:36:48] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[14:45:24] *** jelly has joined #postfix[14:56:47] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[14:59:10] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[15:06:29] *** dubphil has joined #postfix[15:08:35] <dubphil> Hello, I've just read the doc about DSN, but I can't figure if DSN is the same thing that tell the sender that its email to somebody hasn't be delivered because the mailbox no longuer exist or its quota is full or whatever... can you enlight me please ?[15:16:01] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:34:10] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[15:37:35] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[15:45:12] *** moparisthebest_ has left #postfix[15:45:46] *** moparisthebest has joined #postfix[15:58:06] *** cnu- has quit IRC[15:59:32] *** s0ber has quit IRC[15:59:55] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[16:00:18] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:00:46] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:00:55] *** hallamigo has joined #postfix[16:03:22] *** Toerkeium has quit IRC[16:05:18] <survietamine> dubphil: the documentation you've read is about bounce (8) ?[16:06:13] *** Kalavera has left #postfix[16:17:01] <survietamine> dubphil: this is not a complete explanation, but maybe you can start with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounce_message#Format[16:20:41] <cite> So. Postfix is _really_ fast when delivering mails with the discard(8) transport. I guess I'll go ahead and change default_transport from smtp to discard. Performance is a blast![16:22:33] <survietamine> cite: it will save you disk usage too ![16:23:32] <dubphil> survietamine: no it is this : http://www.postfix.org/DSN_README.html[16:24:34] <dubphil> I just want to disable DSN bur I want that my user keep informed when they send a mail that cannot reach the destinator[16:25:07] <cite> dubphil: smtpd_discard_ehlo_keywords = silent-discard, dsn[16:25:12] <cite> dubphil: Won't affect NDRs[16:25:32] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[16:32:54] <dubphil> ok it is exactly what I wanted to know, thanks cite ![16:34:34] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[16:36:34] *** dubphil has left #postfix[16:37:57] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[16:43:01] *** jefferai_gone has quit IRC[17:03:13] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:12:10] *** jefferai has joined #postfix[17:13:26] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[17:21:42] *** freezey has joined #postfix[17:24:35] *** freezey has quit IRC[17:25:00] *** freezey has joined #postfix[17:29:34] *** zerick has joined #postfix[17:35:30] *** bungalo has quit IRC[17:35:44] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[17:39:05] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[17:48:54] *** sputnik has quit IRC[17:53:35] *** freezey has quit IRC[17:53:55] *** freezey has joined #postfix[17:54:20] *** freezey has quit IRC[17:55:08] *** jelly has quit IRC[17:55:23] *** AndrzejL has joined #postfix[17:57:04] <AndrzejL> guys I have a working server however I would need to be pointed into the right direction[17:57:39] <AndrzejL> I wanted my router to send me the logs to one of the machines - the same that runs postfix however when I press send logs now I get this:[17:58:03] <AndrzejL> Oct 18 16:42:09 icsserver.loc postfix/smtpd[3364]: warning: Illegal address syntax from unknown[192.168.1.254] in MAIL command: <EircomRouter at 192 dot 168.1.254>[17:58:44] <jaybe> AndrzejL, a correct syntax for an address with an IP address as host is as follows: prefix@[IP][17:58:50] *** jelly has joined #postfix[17:58:58] <lunaphyte> your router is not respecting the smtp protocol[17:59:04] <AndrzejL> so ip in the []?[17:59:15] <lunaphyte> yes. better yet, just use a hostname.[17:59:42] <AndrzejL> lunaphyte: wish I could but this silly router does not provides setting up local hostnames...[17:59:59] <lunaphyte> does it support syslog?[18:00:23] *** jarif has joined #postfix[18:00:26] <lunaphyte> you'd be better off just doing remote logging correctly in the first place, instead of trying to wedge it into the world of email.[18:02:53] <AndrzejL> thanks guys the [] fixed the issue... ;)[18:03:30] *** defaultro has joined #postfix[18:05:20] <defaultro> hi folks, this server I am working on is not a mail server but they would like this machine to be able to send out an email. It's been more than 5 years since I last used postfix. I remember that to be able to accomplish this, I will have to setup this postfix as a relay server. The receiving smtp server should also allow us to relay. Am I right?[18:06:29] <lunaphyte> heavens no[18:06:52] <AndrzejL> Enjoy the rest of the day guys[18:06:57] *** davlefouAMD has quit IRC[18:07:00] <AndrzejL> thanks again[18:07:01] *** AndrzejL has left #postfix[18:07:34] <jaybe> defaultro, generally stated, yes[18:07:42] <defaultro> great[18:07:57] <jaybe> defaultro, adjusted, that box should be set up *to* relay to another box[18:08:00] <rob0> !tell defaultro nullclient[18:08:00] <knoba> defaultro: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[18:08:11] <lunaphyte> uh, no, not yes.[18:08:12] <defaultro> ah, cool[18:08:25] <defaultro> i don't recall using nullclient before. Is it something new?[18:08:39] <jaybe> defaultro, it's just a very simple relaying-only configuration[18:08:40] <rob0> uh, no[18:08:45] <defaultro> k[18:08:52] <lunaphyte> null clients have been around for ages.[18:08:54] <defaultro> maybe i used it but since it's been many years[18:08:58] <defaultro> k[18:09:02] <lunaphyte> i recommend msmtp[18:09:16] <defaultro> oh, not even postifx?[18:09:27] <lunaphyte> of course not.[18:09:33] <defaultro> it will be used by drupal[18:09:43] <defaultro> so drupal can use this msmtp?[18:09:57] <defaultro> why msmtp over postfix?[18:10:01] <rob0> !tell defaultro nullclient_software[18:10:02] <knoba> defaultro: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[18:10:04] <lunaphyte> imagine how silly it would be if everyone who wanted to send an email had to install and run email server software on their computers. that would be absurd.[18:10:29] <defaultro> the machine I am configuring is a webserver[18:10:30] <patdk-wk> or, profitable[18:10:43] <jelly> or, hysterical raisin[18:10:56] <lunaphyte> postfix is email routing software - e.g. email server software. it goes on computers that are email servers. it doesn't go on computers that aren't email servers.[18:10:56] <rob0> Why use Thunderbird rather than netcat?[18:11:08] <patdk-wk> rob0, have memery to burn :)[18:11:11] <jelly> "we've always been at war with /usr/lib/sendmail"[18:11:29] <defaultro> lunaphyte: i think you didn't get my question[18:11:40] <lunaphyte> why do you think that?[18:11:48] <defaultro> because I am configuring a webserver[18:11:55] <lunaphyte> yes, and?[18:12:01] <patdk-wk> what does webserver have to do with email server?[18:12:22] <defaultro> i had an impression that nullclient is for desktops[18:12:28] <lunaphyte> why?[18:12:37] <defaultro> because of what was mentioned above[18:12:42] <patdk-wk> I can't think of a desktop that would need a nullclient[18:12:42] <defaultro> let me read it again[18:13:10] <lunaphyte> i don't see anything above referring to desktops[18:13:14] <rob0> Null client software is for people who need to send mail from the command line.[18:13:23] <patdk-wk> the only reason would be, if I wanted to know if my desktop harddrive failed, power died, ...[18:13:47] <patdk-wk> but normally, such a desktop isn't redundant enough, to be able to do that[18:13:58] <defaultro> this one, lunaphyte: imagine how silly it would be if everyone who wanted to send an email had to install and run email server software on their computers. that would be absurd.[18:14:12] <defaultro> you wrote everyone[18:14:21] <lunaphyte> right.[18:14:30] <patdk-wk> if everyone == desktops, that leave out a lot of everyones[18:14:31] <defaultro> but i was only working on a web server[18:14:49] <rob0> Null client software is for people who need to send mail from the command line.[18:15:08] <defaultro> question now is, can drupal use this? it uses smtp connection[18:15:11] <rob0> Some people might want that on a desktop. Others might want it on a web server.[18:15:26] <rob0> drupal won't use sendmail?[18:15:32] <patdk-wk> if it uses an smtp connection, no need for nullclient even[18:15:38] <rob0> right[18:15:45] <lunaphyte> the point of that statement was to illustrate how silly it would be to think that mail server software like postfix would need to be installed just to send an email [from a desktop or otherwise][18:15:48] <rob0> just point it at your relay and be done[18:15:53] <patdk-wk> if it uses smtp, why are you looking to install anything at all?[18:15:54] <defaultro> exactly, that's why i wanted postfix because i've used it as a relay server before[18:16:15] <patdk-wk> but if it supports smtp, why relay, why bother to maintain a relay? ....[18:16:24] <defaultro> because it's not a mail server[18:16:45] <patdk-wk> it supports smtp, it knows it's not a mail server, that is why there is SMTP support :)[18:16:46] <defaultro> i can point it directly to our real mail server but we'll ask first[18:17:21] <defaultro> i get your point[18:17:34] <lunaphyte> if drupal can do proper submission [meaning encryption and smtp auth], then point it at your existing mail server.[18:17:39] <defaultro> patdk-wk: if it uses smtp, why are you looking to install anything at all?[18:17:47] <lunaphyte> if it cannot, then point it at the sendmail command and use a null client[18:17:49] <defaultro> install what?[18:17:51] * patdk-wk normally goes for bludgening, than points[18:18:20] <patdk-wk> if it supports smtp, why install postfix? or a nullclient, or anything[18:18:28] <patdk-wk> let a webserver be a webserver, without the anything extra[18:18:31] <defaultro> let me ask #drupal what type of mailing they support[18:18:36] <rob0> If drupal uses SMTP, just point it at your relay and be done. What would be the point of adding another link in the chain?[18:18:44] <defaultro> that's what I mentioned above[18:18:58] <rob0> If drupal uses sendmail, install and configure msmtp for it.[18:19:07] <defaultro> i'm sure it does because it uses php and the php was built with smtp support[18:19:13] <defaultro> ok[18:19:27] <rob0> PHP mail() typically uses sendmail.[18:19:27] *** howitdo has quit IRC[18:20:26] <lunaphyte> being "built" with smtp does not magically mean some arbitrary application will use smtp.[18:23:27] <jelly> we still prefer using a local MTA on all the machines and pointing apps to that one (either via /usr/sbin/sendmail or smtp on localhost) instead of giving each app an account and pointing them to a submission server; less work[18:24:35] <lunaphyte> you mean more work, and larger vulnerability surface area.[18:24:36] <patdk-wk> heh, php is build without smtp support, except on windows[18:24:42] <jelly> lunaphyte: nope[18:25:10] * patdk-wk perfers to give each app an account[18:25:14] <lunaphyte> indeed[18:25:23] <lunaphyte> much less work[18:25:29] <jelly> I'd do that on a green field[18:25:30] <lunaphyte> especially when there are problems.[18:25:30] <patdk-wk> don't see how it's harder[18:25:43] *** Pegasus_RPG has joined #postfix[18:26:24] *** Pegasus_RPG has left #postfix[18:29:18] <jelly> the transition path, enumerating the apps, nagging the players, adding and testing smtp auth support is how[18:30:07] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[18:30:32] <lunaphyte> leaving your front door unlocked or your car running is easier too ;)[18:30:34] <defaultro> found out that for drupal to be able to send email, smtp module has to be installed[18:30:35] <jelly> esp. with hardware that's barely able to smtp at all[18:30:50] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[18:31:04] <defaultro> this smtp module can be configured to pt to our real email server or a local smtp server[18:31:44] <defaultro> cool, http://colans.net/blog/basic-mail-your-drupal-site-msmtp[18:31:56] *** howitdo has joined #postfix[18:32:04] <patdk-wk> jelly hardware that is barely able to smtp at all? how can that use local mta?[18:32:30] <lunaphyte> "Drupal requires an SMTP client to send mail"? wrong.[18:32:41] <defaultro> smtp module[18:32:45] <tuxick> sounds wrong anyway[18:32:55] <lunaphyte> and you shouldn't have to change your php config at all either.[18:33:13] <defaultro> no need to change php config but you need to change drupal config[18:33:14] <jelly> patdk-wk: it can't. Those require a smarthost without auth[18:33:28] <patdk-wk> smarthost?[18:33:32] <lunaphyte> yet another "helpful" blog posting with the right basic idea but broken in all of the details.[18:33:38] *** howitdo has quit IRC[18:33:45] <jelly> patdk-wk: surely you are familiar with the term[18:33:55] <patdk-wk> smtp relay host?[18:33:55] <defaultro> ah, lunaphyte , you're referring to the link I sent[18:34:00] <defaultro> thanks for the catch[18:34:01] <jelly> patdk-wk: see![18:34:04] <patdk-wk> or you mean the sendmail smarthost config param[18:34:08] *** howitdo has joined #postfix[18:34:11] *** d0wn_blog has joined #postfix[18:34:22] <patdk-wk> dunno what a sendmail configuration option has to do with a printer[18:34:26] *** cnu- has joined #postfix[18:35:03] <lunaphyte> maybe you want to print out the compiled config files?[18:35:25] <d0wn_blog> hi[18:35:33] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[18:35:51] <d0wn_blog> i have one question... How do i remove the rdns check from incoming mails[18:36:05] <lunaphyte> do the opposite of what you did to add it[18:36:27] <d0wn_blog> got an auto generated config from liveconfig :x[18:36:32] <lunaphyte> oopsies.[18:36:33] <patdk-wk> sounds nice[18:36:39] <lunaphyte> maybe they know then?[18:36:40] <patdk-wk> now autoconfig the one you wanted[18:36:46] <lunaphyte> ah, neat idea.[18:37:15] <d0wn_blog> does it help if i post my main.cf?[18:37:23] <patdk-wk> no[18:37:29] <lunaphyte> nope[18:37:29] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[18:37:29] <patdk-wk> !tell d0wn_blog welcome[18:37:29] <knoba> d0wn_blog: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![18:37:34] <lunaphyte> !getting_help[18:37:34] <knoba> lunaphyte: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[18:37:48] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[18:38:18] *** freezey has joined #postfix[18:39:09] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[18:39:15] <d0wn_blog> here is my main.cf http://paste.d0wn.biz/2616479b02.txt[18:39:42] <lunaphyte> i will say though that going and having someone else configure software for you, then when it doesn't work the way you want, expecting people on irc to clean up the mess instead of going back to the person you got the config from is a bit inconsiderate - wouldn't you say?[18:40:35] <d0wn_blog> i want to learn how to config this... so please could you help me?[18:40:55] *** ffiore has quit IRC[18:40:59] <lunaphyte> that's why we're here :)[18:41:29] <lunaphyte> people get good help once they completely follow the instructions in the getting_help factoid.[18:42:50] <d0wn_blog> okay okay one moment :D[18:43:00] <d0wn_blog> !pastebin[18:43:00] <knoba> d0wn_blog: "pastebin" : (#1) see !paste, or (#2) a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[18:43:23] <d0wn_blog> !relevant_logs[18:43:23] <knoba> d0wn_blog: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[18:45:09] <d0wn_blog> lunaphyte | does this help more? http://paste.d0wn.biz/526165dad9.txt[18:45:57] <lunaphyte> !tell d0wn_blog reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname[18:45:57] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: No factoid matches that key.[18:46:00] <tuxick> some day i'm gonna write a postpaste script to paste cleaned up postconf outputs ;p[18:46:20] <lunaphyte> well, go read the documentation for that parameter. man 5 postconf[18:46:21] <tuxick> logs are a bit harder to handle[18:46:27] <lunaphyte> tuxick: clean up how?[18:46:51] <tuxick> hide/replace possibly sensitive info[18:47:01] <lunaphyte> oh.[18:47:13] <patdk-wk> hmm, I don't remember there being any password in those files[18:47:28] <tuxick> usually not no :)[18:47:59] <tuxick> but still i wouldn't dump my config online[18:48:30] <patdk-wk> I still fail to see what is sensitive about it[18:49:05] <patdk-wk> or is this the whole thing about leaking internal dns names[18:49:13] <tuxick> stuff like that[18:49:17] <tuxick> or your pubic one[18:49:20] <lunaphyte> can we please not have a debate about the meaning of "sensitive"?[18:49:34] <tuxick> thanks :)[18:49:37] <patdk-wk> maybe tomorrow :)[18:49:40] <lunaphyte> there's no single right answer[18:49:47] <tuxick> tomorrow i have a hangover[18:50:31] <rob0> pubic definitely sounds "sensitive"[18:51:37] <patdk-wk> just cause your nipples aren't sensitive[18:52:39] <tuxick> they're exploding with delight[19:14:05] *** d0wn_blog has left #postfix[19:27:59] *** Ashva has joined #postfix[19:29:58] <Ashva> Hi, is there any GUI for managing postfix except postfix_admin?[19:30:45] <thumbs> well, postfix_admin doesn't exist[19:31:04] <lunaphyte> postfixadmin isn't a gui for managing postfix.[19:31:14] <lunaphyte> it's a gui for managing a database.[19:32:09] <Ashva> lunaphyte: thanks for reply, I meant something like that[19:34:52] <rob0> The question seems to be misplaced, then. If you're using a database for user management, ask in a place about that database what GUI choices exist.[19:36:05] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[19:36:11] *** freezey has quit IRC[19:37:14] <Ashva> rob0: thanks for reply, I've tested postfix admin before but I had some difficulties with that so I am trying to find something similar, something which is recommended and others have successfully tested that. by the way you are completely right[19:38:21] <rob0> I use sqlite and the sqlite3 command line client. Not a GUI, and certainly not something you could use unless you also use sqlite maps.[19:39:17] *** davlefou has quit IRC[19:42:08] <adaptr> I use the /rob/null database storage engine[19:46:02] *** fling has quit IRC[19:46:32] <Ashva> adaptr: thank's for reply[19:51:14] *** freezey has joined #postfix[19:55:39] <jelly-home> adaptr: is it webscale?[20:03:52] *** Zerberus has joined #postfix[20:12:35] *** freezey has quit IRC[20:27:13] *** freezey has joined #postfix[20:37:23] <defaultro> i have a general mail mx question[20:37:50] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[20:38:22] <defaultro> we have two domains, a.com and b.com Only a.com has mx record. However, i was asked that any email sent to b.com should be forwarded to a.com. Am I right that I also need to setup MX record on b.com? That's how I remember configuring mail servers before.[20:39:35] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[20:41:41] <lunaphyte> please don't use other people's domain names in your examples. either use yours or the ones specifically set aside for examples.[20:42:02] <lunaphyte> in any case, you don't "forward" mail for one domain to another.[20:42:21] <defaultro> why? we both own it[20:42:38] <defaultro> do we just use a.com to handle b.com?[20:42:48] <lunaphyte> you add an mx record for whatever domain is desired, pointing to the hostname you want that mail to go to.[20:42:55] <rob0> You own a.com and b.com? Does .com even have one-letter 2LDs?[20:43:07] <lunaphyte> there's no "forwarding". there is only delivery.[20:43:22] <defaultro> yes, I am aware that MX will just do delivery[20:43:32] <defaultro> the forwarding will be done either by a program like postfix[20:43:46] <rob0> The MX hostname is not arbitrarily limited. It can be in any zone. It just has to point to a valid A/AAAA record.[20:43:49] <defaultro> if I remember correctly, /etc/transport file something[20:43:57] <defaultro> k[20:44:13] <lunaphyte> transport? probably not.[20:44:17] <defaultro> the new domain is on a different machine which is in amazon[20:44:19] <defaultro> oh ok[20:44:19] <rob0> What is "/etc/transport"?[20:44:32] <defaultro> maybe I use this file only when running postmap[20:44:45] *** freezey has quit IRC[20:45:30] <defaultro> i meant this - transport_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/transport[20:45:36] <defaultro> i found my old config file[20:46:09] <defaultro> and an example would be bogus-domain1.org smtp:[192.168.1.10][20:46:34] <defaultro> i remember any email sent to bogus-domain1.org will be forwarded to 192.168.1.10[20:47:14] <defaultro> so I'll add a new MX record on our dns pointing to the A record of the new mail server[20:47:44] <rob0> transport_maps is to override the default transport:nexthop selection.[20:47:45] <defaultro> then I'll setup postfix and transport_maps so that it will forward it to our real domain[20:47:53] <defaultro> k[20:48:05] <defaultro> that's how I did it and it work. however, what is the proper way?[20:49:20] <rob0> I suppose there are a few gazillion proper ways to do things. And I'm not sure on what you want to do. So there is no way I could answer that.[20:50:56] <defaultro> i just wanted to forward emails sent to b.com to a.com[20:51:11] <defaultro> and b.com doesnt have any mx record yet which I will be creating very soon[20:54:51] <rob0> still ambiguous[20:56:23] *** freezey has joined #postfix[20:57:28] <defaultro> not sure why[20:57:56] <defaultro> i'm trying to figure out where I am confusing[21:02:42] *** maxter has quit IRC[21:03:07] *** maxter has joined #postfix[21:10:53] <defaultro> rob0, is this going to work. defaultro-A.com will have an MX record for defaultro-B.com. This way, any email sent to defaultro-B.com will be handled by the same mail server handling defaultro-A.com[21:11:22] <defaultro> that way, I don't have to setup another mail server[21:38:05] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[21:39:51] *** Buuyo has joined #postfix[21:40:21] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[21:50:04] <adaptr> Host defaultro-a.com. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)[21:50:17] <adaptr> better act quick, before we scalp you[21:50:56] *** Section1 has quit IRC[21:52:27] <Buuyo> I'm trying to set up a relayhost and I'm getting this error: warning: relayhost configuration problem. here's my postconf http://pastebin.com/xKzECqL5[21:53:03] <adaptr> Buuyo: show the full log message[21:53:27] <Buuyo> http://pastebin.com/XeALj7Hr[21:55:05] <adaptr> Oct 18 15:39:11 p3454536 postfix/smtp[22715]: E7516435004C: to=<josh at sidepix dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.03, delays=0.02/0.01/0/0, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=localhost type=A: Host not found)[21:55:22] <adaptr> "localhost" can't be a relayhost.[21:55:43] <Buuyo> not even [localhost]:2525 ?[21:55:56] <Buuyo> that's an stunnel connected to amazon ses[21:56:11] <adaptr> so ?[21:56:17] <adaptr> the error message is plain[21:58:21] <Buuyo> weird. changed it to [127.0.0.1]:2525 in both the relayhost= and sasl_passwd and it's fine.[21:59:04] <adaptr> dumb. the error message is plain, and you just solved it.[22:00:35] <Buuyo> call it dumb if you like. relayhost = [localhost]:2525 works on another box. It must just be a version-related thing. Thanks for the help either way. :)[22:02:08] <adaptr> no, it is not "a version-related thing"[22:02:13] <adaptr> the error message is plain[22:03:33] *** maxter has quit IRC[22:03:55] *** maxter has joined #postfix[22:03:57] <Buuyo> Help me understand what might cause relayhost = [localhost]:2525 to work on one box, but not another?[22:07:44] <rob0> "Name service error for name=localhost" means the name "localhost" is not resolving.[22:08:25] <rob0> maybe you need a "127.0.0.1 localhost" line in /etc/hosts?[22:08:39] <Buuyo> might it be bypassing /etc/hosts somehow? because host localhost returns 127.0.0.1 on that machine.[22:08:44] <rob0> maybe you have a distro which gave you:[22:08:46] <rob0> !chroot[22:08:46] <knoba> rob0: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[22:08:52] <Buuyo> ah.[22:09:04] <rob0> !debian[22:09:05] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.[22:09:08] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[22:09:39] <rob0> posi.xxx ... awesome domain name! I bet it was expensive.[22:10:13] <Buuyo> hehe. i snatched it up real early. :)[22:10:54] <rob0> lol[22:10:59] <Buuyo> thanks for the tip on chroot btw. I hadn't considered that the chroot might affect name resolving. :)[22:15:43] *** oleole has joined #postfix[22:17:21] <oleole> Hello. I have set up postfix, and when I test the smtp on the server with telnet localhost 25, it works just fine. But when I test from my local machine with telnet SERVER-IP 25 , I just get a "operation timed out". I have opened port 25 in iptables, and set inet_interfaces = all. Any ideas?[22:17:27] <oleole> Or is this an iptables problem?[22:18:14] <Buuyo> Is your telnet passing over the internet from a residential address?[22:18:29] <tmberg> Buuyo: Uhm. 100$ a year for .xxx?[22:18:41] <jacekowski> do you discuss spam filtering (spamassassin and friends) in here?[22:18:46] <tmberg> oleole: http://www.canyouseeme.org/[22:19:10] <oleole> Buuyo: No, I'm just doing telnet from my own Mac[22:19:12] <Buuyo> tmberg: It's thereabouts. They also make you put your name in a special "adult entertainment industry" registry. It was a little startling. :p[22:19:24] <oleole> But I've tried an online tool to test if port 25 is open, and it said that it was open[22:19:40] <oleole> Hmm[22:19:44] <oleole> Maybe it's just my connection[22:19:59] <tmberg> Buuyo: Ok. And i thought .st was expensive.[22:20:08] <oleole> Ahh, got it :D Sorry![22:20:09] *** oleole has quit IRC[22:20:52] <Buuyo> tmberg: It's definitely got a hefty cost. :p[22:21:07] <rob0> but chicks dig it![22:21:16] <tmberg> :D[22:21:19] <Buuyo> lol[22:21:34] <rob0> Talk about a hardcore geek![22:21:36] *** Ashva has left #postfix[22:22:10] <Buuyo> it's one of those thigns where after a few beers I got an idea. But it's too late. I use the domain for too many little personal things lol[22:24:34] *** sharky has quit IRC[22:25:07] <Patrickdk> what the hell?[22:25:15] <Patrickdk> spamcop is now doing sender verification emails[22:26:05] <Patrickdk> "If this was a form letter or otherwise automatically generated, please ignore this challenge. If it was sent by a person requesting a response from a user, please click this link to confirm your humanity:"[22:26:52] *** sharky has joined #postfix[22:32:06] <dvl> Pushing spam problems back to the sender. lovely.[22:37:34] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[22:40:37] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[22:48:35] *** freezey has quit IRC[22:49:49] *** pyco has quit IRC[22:52:28] *** freezey_ has joined #postfix[22:53:55] *** freezey_ has quit IRC[22:56:05] *** howitdo has quit IRC[22:57:01] *** pyco has joined #postfix[22:57:17] *** Toerkeium has joined #postfix[23:04:13] *** freezey has joined #postfix[23:05:03] *** sharky_ has joined #postfix[23:06:44] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[23:08:57] *** sharky has quit IRC[23:11:39] <dvl> Now I need a clever hostname for my imap server.[23:14:01] <adaptr> rob0: smtp(8) does not use native name resolution. it uses DNS.[23:14:20] <adaptr> it must be in DNS, or you could set smtp_host_lookup = native,dns[23:14:27] <adaptr> but that is seriously not advsable[23:14:44] <adaptr> because smtp(8) SHOULD use DNS[23:22:03] *** jarif has quit IRC[23:30:21] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[23:31:00] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[23:37:54] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[23:41:25] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[23:55:29] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[23:59:50] *** howitdo has joined #postfix[23:59:55] *** Elisha has joined #postfix