October 14, 2013 
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October 14, 2013 [00:02:03] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[00:07:19] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[00:16:59] *** jarif has quit IRC[00:17:07] *** Hydrazine has quit IRC[00:17:15] *** Hydrazine_ has joined #postfix[00:18:11] *** Hydrazine_ is now known as Hydrazine[00:23:50] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[00:39:31] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[00:40:39] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[00:40:43] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[00:41:54] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[00:43:26] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[00:53:16] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[00:53:34] *** twb has joined #postfix[00:56:01] *** cybrNaut has quit IRC[00:57:27] *** cybrNaut has joined #postfix[01:00:12] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[01:25:11] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[01:34:07] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[01:42:59] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:55:09] *** Quadro has joined #postfix[01:58:06] *** tmberg has quit IRC[02:17:04] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[02:35:18] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[02:35:49] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[02:35:52] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[02:36:24] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[02:36:28] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[03:04:11] *** jwing has joined #postfix[03:04:16] *** jwing has joined #postfix[03:15:51] *** akcx has joined #postfix[03:31:39] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[03:33:19] *** castt has quit IRC[04:07:54] *** Bronze has quit IRC[04:13:56] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[04:15:34] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[04:23:28] *** tmberg has joined #postfix[04:27:58] *** _`_ has joined #postfix[04:28:54] *** _`_ has left #postfix[04:30:27] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[04:32:10] *** AbrarSyed has joined #postfix[04:32:13] <AbrarSyed> hi guys[04:32:24] <AbrarSyed> I recently got postifx setup and running on my debian box[04:32:32] <AbrarSyed> now id like to get its emails out of the gmail spam folder[04:32:45] <AbrarSyed> after doing some research I found out that this has to do with something called SPF records[04:32:59] <AbrarSyed> any idea how I would generate and publish such records with postfix?[04:33:41] <AbrarSyed> if it matters, ive been using this tutorial for mostly everything[04:33:42] <AbrarSyed> https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#anti-spam:_smtp_restrictions[04:33:55] <AbrarSyed> err... that tutorial page.. not that specific section[04:39:03] <rob0> 1. Postfix is a MTA, it is not a nameserver.[04:39:18] <rob0> 2. SPF records would be published in DNS.[04:39:41] <rob0> 3. I highly doubt SPF will help much.[04:39:49] <rob0> !fcrdns[04:39:49] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[04:40:11] <thumbs> rob0: you shattered my expectations. All this time I was using postfix for DNS resolution![04:41:06] <rob0> shattered![04:41:35] <twb> If you're getting treated as spam, it's probably because you're a spammer -- or your shitty PHP app has been coopted into sending spam.[04:41:58] <twb> SPF won't fix either of those things.[04:42:01] <thumbs> rob0: do you know what shattered thumbs look like?[04:42:17] <twb> thumbs: I saw one on the footpath this morning[04:42:42] <twb> At least, it *looked* like a severed thumb. I couldn't work out what it actually was without poking at it, which I wasn't prepared to do[04:42:43] * rob0 grabs a hammer and goes looking for thumbs to smash[04:43:18] <thumbs> futball or American ball-holding?[04:45:32] <twb> thumbs: ahem. I think you'll find it's called Handegg.[04:45:56] <thumbs> ah, yes.[04:46:26] <thumbs> twb: I just think of it as goon running around fighting to hold it.[04:46:26] <twb> And not even proper handegg, but wearing body armour like momma's boys. ;-)[04:46:49] <thumbs> hah, yes[04:47:11] <twb> Of course, AIUI professional football is about whoever can fake the most convincing boo-boo to the ref for a penalty...[04:50:19] <AbrarSyed> twb, its not spam. nothing has been sent except the testing email from the server[04:50:27] <AbrarSyed> and thanks for remedying my ignorance :)[04:50:39] <twb> AbrarSyed: confident of that, are you?[04:50:55] <AbrarSyed> yup[04:51:00] <twb> Could also be that you're in a dynamic IP range that spammers have used recently, or your domain was used by a spammer, that kind of thing[04:51:06] <AbrarSyed> because I just installed postfix, it coudlnt have been used for anything else :P[04:51:09] <twb> SPF will help with that a bit.[04:51:24] <AbrarSyed> it could indeed be that someone with the IP was a spammer before, but its unlikely[04:51:26] <twb> AbrarSyed: you don't need an MTA to speak SMTP to other clients -- a PHP app can do it[04:51:52] <AbrarSyed> its not for a PHP app, don't worry :)[04:52:19] <twb> SPF is just a DNS RR that lists places mail from your domain is *expected* to come from. Other MTAs can (but don't have to) look at it to help decide if the sender is forged.[04:52:20] <rob0> If it's a dynamic IP range, you might not be able to send mail from there.[04:52:37] <twb> rob0: he's saying he *can* send mail, but gmail puts it in the spam bucket by default[04:52:43] <AbrarSyed> its not a dynamic IP range, its static[04:52:57] <twb> I dunno if gmail will add headers explaining why it considered it spam -- some antispam tools do that.[04:53:12] <twb> Also gmail uses some bayesian stuff, so just moving it out of spam will be enough to train it for at least that user[04:53:19] <rob0> still, !fcrdns is the most likely suspect.[04:53:36] <twb> Ah yes, excellent point[04:53:45] <AbrarSyed> was looing at this[04:53:45] <AbrarSyed> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126[04:54:03] <rob0> Did he tell us the hostname/IP anywhere?[04:54:46] <twb> Hum, is the "mail categories" stuff only visible in gmail's web UI? I don't see that in IMAP.[04:55:55] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[04:56:09] <pj> !gmail[04:56:09] <knoba> pj: "gmail" : Google Mail issues?: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81126[04:56:27] <pj> ahhh, that's the same doc you already just linked to[04:58:36] <AbrarSyed> hmmm[04:58:52] <AbrarSyed> so the company that manages my domain name should have options for the SPF stuff right?[04:59:28] <twb> I don't know. I can tell you what it looks like in a zonefile. Whether you can add one yourself depends on how shit the web UI is.[05:00:07] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/57229/[05:00:35] <twb> (That's mostly inherited, so it's probably not a very good example.)[05:00:44] <rob0> I'm ignored. Good luck.[05:01:08] <twb> rob0: by whom?[05:01:14] <pj> [15:54] <rob0> Did he tell us the hostname/IP anywhere?[05:01:21] <AbrarSyed> no i didnt[05:01:31] <rob0> 02:53 < rob0> still, !fcrdns is the most likely suspect.[05:01:40] <pj> AbrarSyed: if you tell us then we can easily check your fcrdns ourselves.[05:01:42] <twb> AbrarSyed: do you intend to?[05:01:48] <AbrarSyed> forgeessentials.com = domain[05:01:52] <thumbs> sorry, we diverted the discussion to the handegg sport[05:02:07] <pj> what's the IP address of the server?[05:02:32] <AbrarSyed> I run a jira instance, and a few other things. Im setting u the SMPT server so we can have some peroper notification emeails as well as maybe an email for myself in admin at domain dot com[05:02:45] <rob0> 239.18.245.172.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer host.colocrossing.com.[05:02:46] <rob0> host.colocrossing.com has address 216.246.49.26[05:03:01] <AbrarSyed> umm sec[05:03:19] <rob0> That's better than no PTR at all, but it is definitely not FCrDNS.[05:03:27] <AbrarSyed> 172.245.18.239[05:03:29] <AbrarSyed> should be it[05:03:37] <rob0> yes[05:04:00] <AbrarSyed> the site that has my domain is stupid and might have me hooked up to its own mail service.. not sure[05:04:28] <AbrarSyed> ok nvm thats deactivated[05:04:41] <rob0> 172.245.18.239 resolves to host.colocrossing.com. ; host.colocrossing.com. resolves to 216.246.49.26[05:04:53] <rob0> that's what I showed you above[05:05:14] <AbrarSyed> saw that, missed the part about my IP.. but wtvr[05:05:40] <AbrarSyed> It seems iots easy enough to specify a SPF domain thingy in the zone file.. but where do I get the value?[05:05:42] <twb> You want to find whoever owns 18.245.172.in-addr.arpa and get them to change the PTR 239.@[05:06:00] <twb> AbrarSyed: I pastebinned an example SPF record; Wikipedia will have more details[05:06:18] <AbrarSyed> it looks like giberish to me.. though I see what looks like a mix of IPv6 and a domain name[05:06:24] <twb> Here's an even simpler one: dig +short txt amc.prisonpc.com ==> "v=spf1 a -all"[05:06:36] <rob0> I would suggest that you set "myhostname = mail.forgeessentials.com.[05:06:37] <rob0> Oct 14 03:03:52 carrier postfix/smtpd[4266]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[216.97.254.161]: 450 4.7.1 Client host forgeessentials.com. 10800 IN A 172.245.18.239[05:06:50] <rob0> err, bad paste, sorry[05:06:52] <twb> The a: is for DNS A RR, it's not IPv6[05:07:01] <twb> Or maybe it's for address.[05:07:07] <twb> Whatever; look it up[05:07:21] <rob0> I would suggest that you set "myhostname = mail.forgeessentials.com" and set the PTR 239.18.245.172.in-addr.arpa to that name also.[05:07:38] <twb> rob0: missed the trailing dot ;-)[05:07:55] <twb> Not that I haven't been doing that too[05:08:11] <rob0> hehe, chances are the hoster's web frontend will add that anyway[05:08:34] <twb> Flipping web UIs[05:09:51] <AbrarSyed> http://bit.ly/1hPCYlD[05:09:56] <AbrarSyed> is what im looking at[05:10:18] <twb> Flipping raster images[05:10:32] <AbrarSyed> screeenshot[05:10:37] <rob0> SPF won't help unless you fix the rDNS.[05:10:47] <twb> Hear hear[05:10:48] <rob0> (and even then, very little)[05:11:28] <AbrarSyed> http://wiki.gandi.net/en/dns/zone/spf-record seems interresting[05:11:30] <AbrarSyed> rDNS?[05:11:51] * AbrarSyed is a noob at networking[05:12:25] <rob0> I'm done repeating myself. Out for the night. Good luck.[05:13:53] <twb> AbrarSyed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types PTR and A, see the links rob0 posted re fcrdns[05:14:06] <rob0> oh wait -- I don't want thumbs to be shattered![05:14:20] <rob0> 03:07 < rob0> I would suggest that you set "myhostname = mail.forgeessentials.com" and set the PTR 239.18.245.172.in-addr.arpa to that name also.[05:14:26] <rob0> Good night.[05:14:31] <twb> Bye.[05:14:44] <pj> AbrarSyed: fix your fcrdns before you worry about spf.[05:14:54] <pj> !tell AbrarSyed fcrdns[05:14:54] <knoba> AbrarSyed: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[05:15:31] *** jarif has joined #postfix[05:16:11] <AbrarSyed> http://bit.ly/19LrjFj[05:16:22] <AbrarSyed> I guess thats the first step[05:16:46] <pj> that tells me nothing, and btw, wildcard domains are yuk.[05:19:27] <AbrarSyed> mhmm makes sense[05:19:46] <AbrarSyed> I wonder how in the world im supposed to fix that....[05:19:49] <twb> AbrarSyed: cf. "dig mx amc.prisonpc.com"[05:19:57] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[05:20:15] <AbrarSyed> ?[05:20:29] <MACscr> hey, if im not going to use a quarantine, do you guys see any reason why i need to use something like amavis with Postfix/SpamAssassin?[05:21:02] <AbrarSyed> twb, i fail to understand... what?[05:21:07] <twb> MACscr: I do my antispam before DATA[05:21:44] <MACscr> before data? btw, this is just going to be a anti spam gateway before my mail servers[05:22:40] <AbrarSyed> !relayHost[05:22:40] <knoba> AbrarSyed: "relayHost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.[05:24:00] <AbrarSyed> oh thats a pain[05:24:16] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[05:29:46] <AbrarSyed> ugh oh well, I guess there isnt much I can do about this[05:29:49] *** AbrarSyed has left #postfix[05:33:07] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[05:33:38] <MACscr> twb: care to elaborate on what you meant by "before data"?[05:34:28] <twb> MACscr: postscreen and DNS teergrubes and suchlike, that penalize MTAs that do not follow the spec[05:35:14] <twb> "before DATA" means I don't actually bother to do any antispam that requires parsing the payload, the message itself[05:35:38] <MACscr> ah[05:37:41] <pj> I do as much as I can pre-queue, but I don't toss out amavisd or spamassassin just because they are after-queue filters.[05:39:01] <pj> postscreen and the proper use of RBLs will get rid of the vast majority of spam, but I still like SA to catch the little bit that they miss.[05:39:49] <pj> and clamav as well, don't want to be delivering virus-ridden messages.[05:43:51] <MACscr> pj: whats the point of amavis really if you arent going to be using quarantines? I mean, SA itself is what actually scans the content, right? Note, I am obviously a noob to this, thus why I am asking these questions[05:47:03] *** AbrarSyed has joined #postfix[05:50:17] <AbrarSyed> ok so I decided to give up on the gmail spamstuf...[05:50:30] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[05:50:32] <AbrarSyed> but how do i make a user on postfix?[06:00:09] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[06:00:52] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[06:04:26] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[06:19:15] <MACscr> AbrarSyed: you really need to start googling first.Thats a pretty basic question. if you dont know that answer, you have much, much, more to learn first[06:20:41] <AbrarSyed> good point.. i need to stop bieng a lazy noob[06:20:57] <twb> FSVO googling = reading the postfix manuals[06:33:26] <MACscr> how can i whitelist a sender (domain or email address) to a specific recipient domain?[06:36:36] <twb> whitelist it through what? amavisd?[06:38:30] <MACscr> postfix[06:38:53] <twb> Why is postfix currently rejecting it[06:40:56] <MACscr> its not, im planning things out. But lets say its being blocked because of a RBL[06:41:26] <twb> Then put a check_access thingy before the RBL check in the same *_restrictions list[06:41:48] <twb> Might need something smarter than a single lookup if you want to check both sender and recipient.[06:51:45] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[06:53:46] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[06:54:15] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[06:54:46] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[07:02:41] *** jarif has quit IRC[07:20:58] *** AbrarSyed has left #postfix[07:27:06] *** UQlev has quit IRC[07:37:27] *** mishehu has quit IRC[07:45:26] *** maxter has joined #postfix[07:52:31] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[08:07:55] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[08:15:24] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[08:26:53] *** trusktr has quit IRC[08:27:02] *** Quadro has quit IRC[08:34:12] *** AbrarSyed has joined #postfix[08:34:18] <AbrarSyed> and im back[08:34:36] <AbrarSyed> hi guys, no matter what I do, it appears that postfix is not recieving any mail.[08:34:57] <AbrarSyed> and by that I mean.. i tried this[08:34:58] <AbrarSyed> echo "Hello me" | mail -s "Dovecot test" $USER[08:35:57] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[08:36:23] <AbrarSyed> did I screw something up on the configuration part?[08:39:34] *** aarcane has joined #postfix[08:41:41] *** aarcane_ has quit IRC[08:45:33] <twb> AbrarSyed: did you try reading the logs?[08:47:01] <AbrarSyed> where would I find those?[08:47:12] <AbrarSyed> he ones google shows don't exist[08:51:29] <UQlev> AbrarSyed: unless you can find your logs drop in here your root password and someone will succeed[08:51:43] <AbrarSyed> very funny[08:52:01] <UQlev> not at all, not more than run postfix without logs[08:54:19] <AbrarSyed> http://bit.ly/1bq8BjX[08:54:25] <AbrarSyed> found the log file[08:54:35] <AbrarSyed> thats the bit that seems to be relevant[08:54:45] <twb> Yeah I'm not fucking about loading images again just for you[08:55:15] <AbrarSyed> here a pastebin[08:55:15] <AbrarSyed> http://bit.ly/1bq8HYY[08:56:07] <twb> That just says postfix isn't running[08:56:38] <UQlev> AbrarSyed: did this postfix ever work or fresh install?[08:56:40] * AbrarSyed headdesks[08:56:46] <AbrarSyed> fresh install[08:57:04] <UQlev> AbrarSyed: what is your OS?[08:57:04] <AbrarSyed> but I had started it a while back and sent myself an email with it (sent from server to my gmail)[08:57:15] *** aarcane_ has joined #postfix[08:57:16] <AbrarSyed> this is a Debian box[08:57:34] *** aarcane has quit IRC[08:59:11] <pj> AbrarSyed: you need to start postfix for it to work.[08:59:31] <AbrarSyed> I did once I nticed it was down ~3 min ago[08:59:53] <pj> then those logs you're showing are not relevant[08:59:54] <AbrarSyed> however nothing is still bieng sent.. -_-[09:00:13] <pj> !tell AbrarSyed relevant_logs[09:00:13] <knoba> AbrarSyed: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[09:00:17] <UQlev> AbrarSyed: http://dietbrand.eu/fix-for-postdrop-warning-unable-to-look-up-publicpickup-no-such-file-or-directory/[09:00:19] <AbrarSyed> the logs are ~ minutes old. and I started the postfix ~3 minutea ago[09:00:21] <pj> !tell AbrarSyed debian_logs[09:00:21] <knoba> AbrarSyed: "debian_logs" : Just to confuse you debian has taken the mail logs and given you the full log (mail.log) as well as splitting them into multiple other logs (mail.info, mail.err). Just look at mail.log and ignore the others.[09:00:25] <AbrarSyed> *4 minutes old[09:02:02] <pj> right, so you're showing logs from before postfix was started, and that's supposed to be relevant?[09:02:39] <UQlev> pj: his postfix is down[09:02:48] <UQlev> it can't start[09:03:04] <pj> yep, but when postfix cant' start it tends to say why in the logs.[09:03:05] <AbrarSyed> ^[09:03:14] <pj> he hasn't shown that.[09:03:14] <AbrarSyed> or it was.. but now that ive noticed I have started it[09:03:31] <AbrarSyed> when I posted those logs, I didnt know it was down.. then I started the server[09:03:44] <UQlev> Aug 16 03:09:01 forgeessentials postfix/postdrop[3792]: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory[09:03:45] <AbrarSyed> once someone mentioned it was down[09:05:29] <AbrarSyed> well, anyays, thanks guys[09:05:34] <AbrarSyed> it appears to be working so far...[09:06:15] <UQlev> AbrarSyed: how does it appear?[09:06:35] <AbrarSyed> well, the dovecot thing is finding the folder now, so I assume there must be something in it[09:06:48] <AbrarSyed> webmin however still doesnt have anything for my user[09:06:51] *** tjikkun_work has joined #postfix[09:07:30] <UQlev> AbrarSyed: logfile can say whether it works or not[09:08:14] <AbrarSyed> nothing new in the logs since what I pasted[09:08:37] <AbrarSyed> and im running >> sudo cat /var/log/mail.log[09:08:42] <UQlev> then there is no sign that IT IS WORKING[09:08:56] <AbrarSyed> good point[09:09:06] <AbrarSyed> and the email I just sent from gmail hasnt arrved either....[09:09:30] <AbrarSyed> so.. its still borken.. and I have no idea why[09:09:49] <UQlev> AbrarSyed: trying to run postfix blindly w/o logs is desperate time wasting[09:09:59] <AbrarSyed> and postfix is indeed running now[09:10:36] <AbrarSyed> /var/log/mail.log is the logfile according to the thing pj !tell-ed me[09:10:48] <AbrarSyed> and its where I found the logs I posted[09:14:41] *** wdp has joined #postfix[09:14:41] *** wdp has joined #postfix[09:15:12] *** Selfarian has joined #postfix[09:15:43] <Selfarian> Hello[09:18:34] <twb> Selfarian: are you gonna expand on that?[09:18:39] <Selfarian> i'm running postfix and normally it works fine. e.g. i can send e-mails with many e-mailclients to internal and external domains. Now i'm running an webserver with sendmail which has the mailserver configured as smarthost. If the webserver sends an e-mail to an internal adress, it's no problem. but if it tries to send an e-mail to an external adress (e.g. gmx) i get an relay-error. Has anyone an idea and may help me?[09:19:31] <twb> Do you mean allman's sendmail, or just the standard /usr/sbin/sendmail interface that all MTAs provide?[09:19:55] <twb> We don't support the former; for a satellite MTA, try msmtp instead.[09:22:38] <Selfarian> i'm unsure i use the sendmail debian package[09:22:44] <survietamine> Selfarian: I guess the sendmail on your webserver doesn't authenticate to the postfix server and your smtpd restrictions don't allow that[09:23:18] <survietamine> Selfarian: as twb said, if your webserver is not a mail server, you should try a null client[09:25:00] <twb> Selfarian: use msmtp.[09:25:19] <twb> "apt-get install sendmail" gives you Allman's sendmail, which 1) we don't like; and 2) we don't support.[09:25:22] <Selfarian> okay, i will give it a try :)[09:25:40] <Selfarian> i don't like it now, too ;)[09:25:46] <twb> AIUI postfix was written basically because Venema was sick of sendmail's security issues[09:25:49] <Selfarian> because of it doesn't work for me[09:26:12] <AbrarSyed> ugh.. sending mail works fine, yet nothing is recieved... wth.. the log doesnt say anything useful either...[09:26:52] <twb> AbrarSyed: can you connect to 25 (or 587) from a test machine? Maybe your service provider blocks it by default.[09:28:43] <AbrarSyed> hmm, thats odd, your right.. I can't[09:29:07] * AbrarSyed shakes fist at data center[09:29:22] <AbrarSyed> 1st the sDNS thing and now this.... -_-[09:29:49] <AbrarSyed> well, thanks for the help guys[09:29:53] *** AbrarSyed has left #postfix[09:30:05] <Selfarian> do i need to configure msmtp for each user or is it possible to use a general configuration?[09:30:11] <twb> Yes[09:30:19] <twb> !msmtp[09:30:19] <knoba> twb: "msmtp" : a nullclient program which provides a means for a computer to submit mail to an existing msa. see http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/ for more info. also see !nullclient_software, !nullclient and !msa[09:30:26] *** jarif has joined #postfix[09:30:56] <twb> Whether a general configuration will work depends on your environment, notably how picky your smarthost is[09:47:39] *** eagles0513875_ has joined #postfix[09:50:48] *** twb has quit IRC[09:56:13] <Selfarian> ok, thanks, it generally works.[09:57:51] <Selfarian> But i'm confused a little bit, because i didn't set any username or password in the configuration and it even works :/[09:58:29] *** defaultro has quit IRC[10:00:02] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[10:03:21] <eagles0513875_> hey ikonia do you think you can help me with a very annoying issue. I managed to fix the issues with initial delivery to the server and an account. for some reason mail isnt getting delivered to the virtual user or the virtual users inbox[10:08:10] <survietamine> Selfarian: is your web server in mynetworks ?[10:08:17] *** maxter_ has joined #postfix[10:09:20] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[10:09:27] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[10:10:14] <Selfarian> is this a placeholder for the server-subnet? [::1]/128[10:11:24] <eagles0513875_> hey survietamine[10:12:36] <survietamine> Selfarian: no, it's the ipv6 localhost[10:12:42] *** maxter has quit IRC[10:12:56] <survietamine> Selfarian: did you check your postfix restrictions ?[10:13:04] <survietamine> hello eagles0513875_[10:13:05] <Selfarian> okay[10:13:20] <Selfarian> hm... then it's not in "mynetworks"[10:13:23] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: have you worked with multiple domain setups using virtual domains and users?[10:13:50] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: yeah, I manage around 10 domains[10:13:53] <Selfarian> confusing is: if i try (from webserver) msmtp command line, i get an "relay access denied" but if i try it from php with mail function, it works[10:14:10] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: any chance when you finish helping Selfarian help me with mine[10:14:24] <eagles0513875_> as I have an issue of mail getting ot the server but not appearing in any users inbox for any domain[10:14:31] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: depends if it is long, I'm at work :)[10:14:46] <eagles0513875_> you tell me if that would be long in terms of what i described above[10:14:52] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: so a lda/mda problem ?[10:15:02] <eagles0513875_> i think lda[10:15:10] <eagles0513875_> it gets to the server no problem.[10:15:44] *** Lidwa has quit IRC[10:16:05] <survietamine> Selfarian: do you have same msmtp settings as the httpd user ? (eg www-data) ?[10:16:31] <survietamine> Selfarian: if you have some settings in your home directory, maybe it's not the same setup for httpd user[10:16:47] <survietamine> Selfarian: since I use DMA, I don't care, I put everything in /etc/dma[10:16:49] <Selfarian> i only set a general setting in /etc/msmtp[10:17:16] <survietamine> Selfarian: and if you are using PHP, you can send mails the smart way too[10:17:26] <survietamine> Selfarian: with PEAR or other libraries[10:17:51] <survietamine> Selfarian: so you won't need a null client[10:18:20] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: you have to read/publish your relevant logs[10:18:26] <Selfarian> okay[10:18:39] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: mail.log and mail.err dont show anything though[10:18:41] *** Lidwa has joined #postfix[10:18:45] <eagles0513875_> let me get them[10:18:53] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: what is the last lines related to this message from your postfix logs ?[10:18:55] *** Lidwa has quit IRC[10:19:06] <Selfarian> but this would work only if i write the mail functions by my own, not if i use a cms or sth like that?[10:19:12] *** Lidwa has joined #postfix[10:19:59] <survietamine> Selfarian: I cannot answer, it depends on your cms or whatever[10:20:46] <Selfarian> okay[10:20:54] <survietamine> Selfarian: so in your logs, when your postfix accepts to relay, you can see from which ip address the connection was ? the web server one ?[10:21:25] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[10:21:46] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: Oct 14 08:21:15 biz postfix/smtpd[2244]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-we0-x236.google.com[2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]: 451 4.3.0 <jaquilina at linkpetroleumservices dot com>: Temporary lookup failure; from=<eagles051387 at gmail dot com> to=<jaquilina at linkpetroleumservices dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-we0-x236.google.com>[10:22:46] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: NOQUEUE is not what you described as "no problem", ahah[10:23:08] <Selfarian> hm...[10:23:09] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: the log says "lookup failure"[10:23:10] <Selfarian> client=unknown[192.168.30.20], sasl_method=PLAIN, sasl_username=admin[10:23:24] <Selfarian> seems he takes the sendmail configuration[10:23:25] <survietamine> Selfarian: so, you see ?[10:23:29] <Selfarian> yes[10:23:38] <survietamine> Selfarian: you are sasl authenticated[10:23:46] <eagles0513875_> it seems like it keeps trying to deliver so is the issue with postfix[10:24:00] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: would my postconf -n output help?[10:24:45] *** joobz has joined #postfix[10:25:17] <Selfarian> yes... i previously used sendmail. but i purged it, theres still a /etc/mail/sendmail.mc config file (and /etc/mail/authinfo) but i cannot use sendmail (because it's purged) :/[10:25:30] <eagles0513875_> Selfarian: what distro are you on[10:25:36] <eagles0513875_> and are you after a single domain or multiple domain setup[10:25:39] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: http://pastebin.com/F1bi19PN[10:25:53] <Selfarian> so debian[10:26:04] <Selfarian> in the log, he also writes sendmail[10:26:11] <Selfarian> (webserver mail.log)[10:26:22] <survietamine> Selfarian: you purged with : apt-get remove --purge[10:26:27] <survietamine> Selfarian: or something like that ?[10:26:34] <Selfarian> aptitude purge sendmail[10:26:45] <survietamine> Selfarian: ok[10:27:04] <survietamine> Selfarian: maybe the msmtp is sendmail compatible[10:27:27] <survietamine> Selfarian: what if you do : file $(which sendmail)[10:27:28] <survietamine> ?[10:27:42] *** morse_ has joined #postfix[10:27:48] <Selfarian> i think so. i just tested sendmail commandline and it worked, but before i installed msmtp, it didn't[10:27:57] <survietamine> Selfarian: maybe you removed your sendmail binaries, but your sendmail configuration remains[10:28:08] <Selfarian> symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/sendmail'[10:28:19] <survietamine> Selfarian: type : dpkg -L msmtp[10:28:21] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: usually with purge it gets rid of the configs[10:28:34] <survietamine> Selfarian: and check if it provides sendmail[10:28:44] <survietamine> Selfarian: I mean sendmail replacement[10:28:58] <survietamine> Selfarian: so now check /etc/alternatives/sendmail[10:29:09] *** morse has quit IRC[10:29:39] <Selfarian> seems negative.. http://pastebin.com/D1a7DzaJ[10:29:46] <survietamine> Selfarian: you know how to setup alternatives ?[10:30:16] <Selfarian> no[10:31:06] <survietamine> if you are using debian, you must know about update-alternatives[10:31:14] <survietamine> "know you distro" :)[10:31:18] <Selfarian> hm... i see, there's sendmail-base, sendmail-bin sendmail-cf[10:31:23] <Selfarian> remaining[10:31:29] <survietamine> yeah, dpkg -l|grep sendmail[10:31:31] <Selfarian> got me :([10:31:31] <Selfarian> ;)[10:31:41] <Selfarian> yes, this is what i did ;)[10:33:11] <Selfarian> maybe i know the mistake... maybe i purged sendmail with root and then tried to rund sendmail with a user... but this wouldn't work, even if sendmail is installed[10:34:01] <eagles0513875_> Selfarian: user adn group should be sendmail[10:34:13] <eagles0513875_> even so you could still run it with a user as long as they are in the sendmail group[10:34:39] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: im going to be going back through the config and googling some more on my issue[10:34:58] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: so you check your /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf ?[10:35:50] <Selfarian> ok... sendmail is gone so need to configure php for using msmtp[10:36:10] <Selfarian> ah okay, thanks eagles...[10:36:40] <eagles0513875_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235025/ survietamine[10:36:48] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: would it help if i provide you with what i used in terms of steps[10:36:52] <eagles0513875_> no problem Selfarian[10:38:00] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: I don't know, when I only followed the postfix documentation for virtual mailboxes and it worked out of the boxes[10:38:20] <Zerberus> survietamine: his target domain is local(8), not virtual(8)[10:38:59] <eagles0513875_> Zerberus: with the how to i followed its for virtual users and domains[10:39:09] <survietamine> Zerberus: lol, you are right[10:39:22] <survietamine> Zerberus: didn't read all his config[10:39:40] <eagles0513875_> Zerberus: are you talking bout me or Selfarian[10:39:45] <Zerberus> eagles0513875_: stop providing mail services, first learn the basics[10:39:48] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: you have not read the warning about "don't put domains in mydestination if..."[10:40:23] <Zerberus> eagles0513875_: you even do not read your mail log file(s). if you have defined a domain both local and virtual, Postfix spits out a clear warning[10:40:55] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: search for "NEVER list" in this page : http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[10:41:03] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: you'll see many occurences[10:41:35] <ikonia> 09:39 < Zerberus> eagles0513875_: stop providing mail services, first learn the basics[10:41:38] <ikonia> oops[10:41:41] <eagles0513875_> Zerberus: i ran into other issues which i managed to fix working through them one by one from th elog[10:41:53] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: if i am understanding correctly all i need is localhost.localdomain and localhost[10:41:58] <ikonia> ssorry about that[10:42:30] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: you have to choose if it is virtual or not[10:42:51] <eagles0513875_> and in this case most of my setup with what i followed is for a virtual domain and user setup[10:42:54] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[10:43:36] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: if you read again the virtual readme, maybe it will be clearer[10:43:45] <eagles0513875_> ok[10:44:07] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[10:44:45] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: if it is virtual, remove it from mydestination[10:45:17] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[10:45:36] <eagles0513875_> ok[10:47:44] <tuxick> he's been going for trial&error for weeks now[10:48:31] *** davlefou has quit IRC[10:53:13] 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We have LOADS of domains, and only 2 IPs that aren't blacklisted (Could get more if its required). Is it okay to rDNS the IPs to the mail server address, or do I need a different IP per each domain that we send from?[11:15:33] <dvee> Sorry if that doesn't make any sense, not sure how best to phrase it :([11:15:47] <dvee> also, I'm new to all this mail stuff, so please be gentle[11:17:50] *** theahindle has joined #postfix[11:18:44] <Zerberus> dvee: the mail server you are sending with MUST have matching forward and reverse DNS entries, the domains the server provides services for MUST have at least a valid A record and best an MX record as well[11:21:02] <dvee> Oh okay, so I just need rDNS for the mail address, not the sending domain. Thanks![11:21:57] <Zerberus> dvee: no, I didn't say so[11:22:17] <Zerberus> you cannot set an rDNS PTR for "a mail address"[11:22:31] <Zerberus> it is important that you get the terminology proper[11:25:03] <dvee> Sorry not really sure on the proper terminology. I meant the IP address of the mail server, which we have 2 of, are what requires rDNS, so for each IP I would set up one subdomain.[11:25:48] <Zerberus> dvee: I don't think you got it right[11:32:40] <dvee> zerberus: Could you rephrase your initial answer please? From what I can tell, it states that I need rDNS entries just on the mail server IPs, and then for each Domain, I just need WHOIS and MX records.[11:33:23] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[11:35:13] <Zerberus> dvee: your mailserver host needs to have a FQDN, which has to be reflected by matching forward and reverse DNS entries. the FQDN is a string the mail server identifies himself in greeting and for HELO/EHLO.[11:35:20] <pj> who said anything about WHOIS?[11:35:53] <pj> dvee: it's as simple as this...[11:35:57] <pj> !tell dvee fcrdns[11:35:57] <knoba> dvee: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[11:36:42] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:38:27] <theahindle> pj: If one mail server is sending mail for 20 domains - do you only need fcrdns for mail.mailserer.com and not for example.com, foo.com and bar.com who send mail through that mail server?[11:39:11] <pj> you only need fcrdns for the hostname specified in $myhostname as the factoid states.[11:40:16] <pj> if you have two or more mail servers then each one's $myhostname should pass fcrdns.[11:40:20] <theahindle> then for example.com, foo.com, bar.com an MX record pointing to mail.mailserver.com and SPF record?[11:40:47] <pj> does the factoid say anything about email domains or MX records?[11:41:21] <theahindle> pj: This is a separate question regarding how mail should be setup correctly[11:42:00] <pj> theahindle: fcrdns is only required for $myhostname, I don't think I can be any clearer than that.[11:42:13] <Selfarian> hmpf... somehow the "default" configuration of msmtp doesn't work... i set /etc/msmtprc this way: http://pastebin.com/Sdmw3nnP and no configs in the homedirs of the users. i did a test, it worked, i changed the username, it didn't work, he tries to connect the mailserver without authentication :/[11:42:51] <pj> Selfarian: as much as we do recommend msmtp for use as a nullclient here, this channel does not actually support msmtp.[11:43:06] <theahindle> pj: I'm not asking about fcrdns though. I am asking if the domains sending through the FCRDNS verified mail server domain (example.com, foo.com, bar.com using mail.mailserver.com) only need MX and SPF set for mails to be accepted ok at 'big mail providers'[11:43:56] <Selfarian> okay, pj :[11:43:58] <Selfarian> :)[11:44:12] <pj> you would have to ask the providers what they require for mail to be accepted. Most also will reject your mail if your IP is on a blacklist, and it generally helps if you use dkim as well, at least for some providers.[11:44:28] <theahindle> Thankyou pj[11:44:30] <pj> then there is also IP reputation.[11:45:01] <pj> in other words there are a lot of factors that mail providers take into account when determining whether to accept your mail and what to do with it.[11:45:45] *** Yulth has joined #postfix[11:45:49] *** jarif has quit IRC[11:45:55] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[11:49:51] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[11:54:57] *** jarif has joined #postfix[12:05:36] *** err-or has quit IRC[12:07:12] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[12:09:49] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[12:13:32] <Selfarian> ok, got it ;)[12:13:43] <Selfarian> thanks for the tipp with msmtp ;)[12:20:53] *** eagles0513875_ has quit IRC[12:23:21] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[12:23:41] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[12:30:25] *** MariusKarthaus has joined #postfix[12:46:20] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[12:49:52] *** davlefou has quit IRC[12:50:04] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[12:51:46] *** kli0rf has joined #postfix[12:54:10] *** kli0rf has quit IRC[12:57:16] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:03:03] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[13:03:25] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[13:05:41] *** kli0rf has joined #postfix[13:06:33] *** joobz has joined #postfix[13:08:50] *** err-or has joined #postfix[13:13:42] *** bitraten has quit IRC[13:15:23] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[13:25:22] *** _val_ has joined #postfix[13:27:17] <_val_> Hi there. In our mail log we are getting the following messages now and then. I'm suspecting that the mail client of the sender is melforming the mail headers. Can someone confirm this and what to do / how to solve the issue? Here is a small piece of the log.[13:27:24] <_val_> Oct 14 07:59:02 mail postfix/cleanup[24181]: EC5FB1873C3: reject: header To: <teresa.orlando at itea dot com>,??"Natalie Tours" <kshk.v at natalie-tours dot ru>,??<mm@serapea.it>,??<part@octopode.fr>,??<michal.swosky@europe-mnt.com>,??<bryony.asds@inghams.co. from mailhost.vvf-vacances.fr[217.109.28.195]; from=<Pilot.Pilot at belambra dot fr> to=<stopsales at dom dot nl> proto=SMTP helo=<mailhost.belambra.fr>: 5.7.1 message content rejected[13:27:57] *** Nothing4You has quit IRC[13:28:21] <honestly> looks like spam[13:28:35] <honestly> do you have a spam filter?[13:29:03] <_val_> honestly: These email addresses are valid though. They are sent form a customer of us from France.[13:29:12] <_val_> we have. amavis.[13:29:32] *** joobz has quit IRC[13:30:03] *** Nothing4You has joined #postfix[13:30:04] <_val_> When I see those question marks.. and for example <bryony.asds at inghams dot co. is an address which is not valid. Is it .co.uk? is it .com? Our mailserver does not get that.[13:34:04] *** smue has quit IRC[13:38:56] *** patdk-wk has quit IRC[13:43:01] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[13:46:51] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[13:49:48] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[13:52:26] *** patdk-wk has joined #postfix[13:59:41] *** davlefouAMD has joined #postfix[14:13:20] *** riply has joined #postfix[14:14:51] <riply> Hey there guys I hope that there is someone here who can help a nooby out? I have a mail server running a handful of accounts, on a Virtualmin setup with one domain. One of the accounts ont he domain/virtual server keeps receiving the same email multiple times in the inbox. Does anyone have any experiance in this happening?[14:19:02] *** Selfarian has quit IRC[14:19:15] <Patrickdk> !tell riply welcome[14:19:15] <knoba> riply: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![14:19:38] <riply> Hi knoba sorry ! I will give them a read now :)[14:24:10] <riply> knoba, here is the pastebin link to the -n: http://pastebin.com/jBAunLkB[14:25:37] <Patrickdk> logs showing this happening?[14:26:39] <riply> hello Patrickdk , let me grab some quickly[14:30:17] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[14:34:56] <riply> Patrickdk, I am not ignoring you - I am just combing through the logs and I think that I may have found something - looks like RoundCube's Vacation plugin is messing around nicely.[14:37:11] *** kli0rf has quit IRC[14:38:36] <riply> Oct 14 14:37:18 tealady postfix/qmgr[1806]: 87EFA161279: from=<chris at riply dot co.za>, size=4968, nrcpt=1 (queue active)[14:38:36] <riply> Oct 14 14:37:31 tealady postfix/local[4334]: 87EFA161279: to=<graeme.wilson.lcsolutions.co.za at tealady dot wordofweb.co.za>, orig_to=<Graeme.wilson at lcsolutions dot co.za>, relay=local, delay=3449, delays=3436/0.01/0/13, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail-wrapper -o -a $DOMAIN -d $LOGNAME)[14:38:47] <riply> this email has landed three times now.[14:39:06] <Patrickdk> without all the logs in a pastebin, I can't comment on that[14:39:10] <Patrickdk> as you only showed one[14:39:41] <riply> Patrickdk, please excuse me - I am very new to this. Which logs would you like me to pastebin for you?[14:39:54] <Patrickdk> all logs that relate to this issue[14:41:04] <Patrickdk> if it happened 3 times, there should be 3 complete sets of logs[14:41:19] <riply> which other logs, other than the /var/log/mail.log would you like?[14:41:26] <Patrickdk> none[14:41:33] <riply> ah okay! Now I understand your question[14:42:48] <MariusKarthaus> Hi[14:43:31] <MariusKarthaus> How do I place a message in the HOLD queue based on the result of a filter[14:44:08] <Patrickdk> postsuper :)[14:44:36] *** diabel has quit IRC[14:45:19] <MariusKarthaus> the filter being a custom script that is started from the FILTER command in a has: map from smtpd_client_restrictions: check_client_access regexp:/etc/postfix/holdqueue[14:45:45] *** diabel has joined #postfix[14:46:54] <Patrickdk> oh, then just return HOLD[14:47:19] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[14:47:35] <MariusKarthaus> Patrickdk: just on the stdout?[14:48:50] <Patrickdk> not sure what filter has to do with it at all though[14:49:01] <Patrickdk> cause you can't hold stuff in filter[14:50:43] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[14:55:16] *** kli0rf has joined #postfix[15:04:27] <riply> Patrickdk, are you still here? I am going through the logs but am having difficulty isolating which email is which.[15:05:05] <riply> I have found another one which arrived, twice, from another email sender, but there are not stacks of emails form him in the log file as with the other one.[15:05:51] <MariusKarthaus> Patrickdk: let me explain what I'm trying to do. In smtp_client_restrictions, I have a check_client_access map where a decision is made based on source ip to either OK, HOLD or DISCARD the message. Stuff that ends up in the HOLD queue is picked up by mailscanner. I would like some more fine-grained control over what goes where. So i'm trying to use the FILTER option in that map, But so faqr to no avail. The manpage is here:[15:05:51] <MariusKarthaus> http://www.postfix.org/access.5.html[15:06:25] *** akafritz has quit IRC[15:06:56] <MariusKarthaus> Basically I want to have a script that looks at the mailheaders and makes the decision to put it in either OK or HOLD at this point[15:08:09] <survietamine> MariusKarthaus: why a script ?[15:08:37] <MariusKarthaus> survietamine: because I want to control it from a database[15:08:57] <survietamine> postfix supports databases as lookup tables[15:09:00] <MariusKarthaus> and need more than just the source IP[15:09:21] <survietamine> it's not just about the source IP[15:09:50] *** lunaphyte__ has joined #postfix[15:11:29] *** dvee has quit IRC[15:12:06] *** Guest02377-50092 has joined #postfix[15:12:25] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[15:12:25] *** lunaphyte__ is now known as lunaphyte[15:12:27] *** n0sq has quit IRC[15:12:29] *** Praise has joined #postfix[15:12:30] *** Praise has quit IRC[15:12:30] *** Praise has joined #postfix[15:12:34] *** fugitive]dbv has joined #postfix[15:12:38] <survietamine> MariusKarthaus: on this page http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html you have some examples of conditions (if) and it is not only on the source ip[15:12:56] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[15:14:35] *** internat has quit IRC[15:16:15] <riply> Patrickdk, here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/H0MaCK0v what is interesting is that there is only one entry for it, yet it is there twice![15:17:20] *** Zackio has quit IRC[15:17:43] *** Zackio has joined #postfix[15:18:10] <survietamine> MariusKarthaus: sorry i was wrong, you want sql[15:19:57] *** stljim has joined #postfix[15:21:42] <MariusKarthaus> survietamine: heh yep I was wondering how it that fit in :) I know about the if/endif conditionals but as fas as I know you cant just mix in sql.[15:22:41] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[15:24:31] <stljim> Hello, I have a postfix server relaying mail for a number of hosts in our domain, I want to forward/relay ALL mail from one of thoses to a specifi email address. What would be the best approach?[15:27:23] <Patrickdk> riply, that is not complete logs, that is a single line[15:27:32] <Patrickdk> your using grep is the issue[15:28:08] <Patrickdk> and that single log line says the email went to another email server, not yours, so it did not go to a mailbox[15:28:24] <Patrickdk> so based on that log line, it would be impossible to see it once, let alone twice[15:31:22] <riply> Patrickdk, I understand what you mean[15:31:47] <riply> I am looking at this email account via IMAP on a client - thunderbird.[15:32:01] <riply> The emails arrive, at first looking fine[15:32:19] <riply> then another one arrives - exactly the same, even the same timestamp[15:32:42] <riply> it seems to stop at 3 times.[15:32:49] <Patrickdk> yes, and once yo post logs[15:32:52] <Patrickdk> we can help[15:33:03] <Patrickdk> you won't, not sure why, you keep posting a single line[15:33:10] <riply> (I am just trying to explain what going on)[15:33:17] <Patrickdk> why bother?[15:33:25] <riply> haha, becuase I've never used grep before - I'm googleing and learning as we go here..[15:33:26] <Patrickdk> you explaining, and what is actually happening, are not the same[15:33:29] <Patrickdk> and no matter what you say[15:33:35] <Patrickdk> the logs will say what is *actually* happening[15:33:37] <riply> ah, I see[15:34:08] <riply> okay well, I want to show you the logs for the latest email / three emails , that this' happened to[15:34:20] <riply> the email address it sent from is enquiries at europeanlawyer dot co.uk[15:34:43] <riply> so I am running this command: cat /var/log/mail.log | grep enquiries at europeanlawyer dot co.uk[15:34:59] <riply> but it gives no results.[15:35:17] <riply> even though it is in the inbox of the IMAP client, three times now[15:36:05] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[15:38:13] *** kli0rf is now known as sputnik[15:40:01] <riply> Patrickdk, this a dump of the whole file: http://pastebin.com/E696bH9x[15:41:15] <riply> without fail, it delivers three times to his inbox[15:41:30] <Patrickdk> before bothering with that[15:41:32] <Patrickdk> fix the errors[15:41:46] <riply> are you talking about the vacation errors?[15:41:50] <Patrickdk> yes[15:42:43] <riply> yes, those are boggeling me[15:43:35] <riply> I have removed the plugin from the config file and also removed the plugin from the RoundCube Dir[15:47:51] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[15:50:51] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[15:54:03] <riply> Patrickdk, I am sorry if I am annoying you, but if it is any consolation, I am learning a lot here![15:54:27] <riply> I have reinstalled Vacation from the apt-get and hope that this will sort it out[15:59:03] <riply> Patrickdk, it seems that they are just incrementing and incrementing..[15:59:15] <riply> where there were 3 of each, there are now 4[16:00:20] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:00:56] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:01:11] <stljim> Hey all, I need to redirect all mail from a specific host to a specific email address .. and it's not local. So kinda two things, look at all mail coming in from a specific host and re-write all recipients to a specific email address[16:04:05] <riply> Patrickdk, there are no longer vacation errors running[16:05:16] *** mattcen has quit IRC[16:06:34] *** mattcen has joined #postfix[16:14:22] *** eagles0513875_ has joined #postfix[16:14:31] <survietamine> stljim: maybe with some check_client_access that do REDIRECT[16:16:38] <stljim> survietamine: I was thinking of header_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/headers_check => From:.* at ourhost dot domain.com/ REDIRECT mailbox at mail dot other.domain.com[16:17:12] <survietamine> stljim: yes, it's better[16:17:46] <survietamine> stljim: oh, by "host", I understood some host/ip[16:18:02] <eagles0513875_> hey survietamine[16:18:28] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: coulding he just use the aliases file to redirect emaisl to another email address at a different domain[16:18:38] *** Anomie_work has joined #postfix[16:18:45] *** Dat has quit IRC[16:18:59] <Anomie_work> root@server1:~# echo "Test mail from postfix" | mail -s "Test Postfix" admin at something dot com[16:19:10] <Anomie_work> Where do I go from here? Can't find anything googling that error, postfix is installed[16:19:13] <trurl> is there something special to take into consideration when rotating mail.log?[16:19:17] <trurl> Anomie_work: try mailx[16:19:30] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: he only want to catch mails from some senders[16:19:36] <Anomie_work> trurl: same error[16:19:56] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: in teh aliases file you just do the emails you want to captcher and redirect to another email address[16:20:08] *** freezey has joined #postfix[16:20:15] <eagles0513875_> you specify whats in that file so technically he can still capture only the emails he wants redirected[16:20:19] *** Dat has joined #postfix[16:20:20] <survietamine> Anomie_work: find the package providing the mail binary[16:20:46] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: http://linux.about.com/od/lna_guide/a/gdelna152t01.htm <-- stljim this might be what you want im not sure of the initial issue though[16:21:35] <Anomie_work> survietamine: What do you mean? I just used sudo apt-get install postfix[16:21:59] <survietamine> Anomie_work: so check with dpkg -L postfix if this package provides mail command[16:22:40] <survietamine> Anomie_work: your question is not related to postfix[16:23:15] <survietamine> I don't have and don't need mail command on my postfix servers[16:23:27] <survietamine> so, I don't want it[16:23:38] <Anomie_work> survietamine: What is it related to? I installed postfix with the default configuration and I'm using a guide to 'Check if postfix can send emails' which prompts me to use this command.[16:24:05] <eagles0513875_> Anomie_work: postfix is the MTA (mail transport agent) you need something like dovecot to deliver the emails[16:24:14] <eagles0513875_> dovecot = MDA (mail delivery agent)[16:24:16] *** mattcen has quit IRC[16:25:36] <survietamine> Anomie_work: where is this guide ?[16:25:59] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: he wants to send mails[16:26:16] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: and he wants to send mail with the `mail` command[16:26:36] <Anomie_work> survietamine: http://rtcamp.com/wordpress-nginx/tutorials/mail/postfix-debugging/[16:27:55] <survietamine> Anomie_work: this channel doesn't provide support for such tutorials[16:27:55] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: that wont even leave the server would it?[16:28:03] *** mattcen has joined #postfix[16:28:06] <eagles0513875_> survietamine: dont those get delivered to /var/mail/[16:28:13] <survietamine> Anomie_work: which distro ?[16:28:23] <Anomie_work> survietamine: Ubuntu 12.10[16:28:29] <survietamine> eagles0513875_: you don't get it, it's "command not found"[16:29:00] <eagles0513875_> ahhh[16:32:12] <survietamine> Anomie_work: I don't see mail into the mailutils package[16:32:39] <survietamine> Anomie_work: on older release it was included[16:33:28] *** riply has left #postfix[16:33:33] <Anomie_work> survietamine: Ah, thx[16:34:00] <survietamine> Anomie_work: I don't see it here http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/mailutils/filelist[16:34:31] <survietamine> Anomie_work: but here, yes : http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amd64/mailutils/filelist[16:35:03] <survietamine> Anomie_work: so, what happened with this package ? I don't know[16:41:59] *** cybrNaut has quit IRC[16:41:59] *** cybrNaut has joined #postfix[16:44:01] <survietamine> Anomie_work: did you check alternatives ever ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bsd-mailx/+bug/1222179[16:44:21] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[16:46:25] <Anomie_work> survietamine: Not sure what that means. Alternatives to what? Postfix? or the 'mail' command? That just likes an invalid bug report[16:47:07] <survietamine> Anomie_work: no, debian alternatives system (update-alternatives)[16:48:16] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[16:48:31] <survietamine> Anomie_work: anyway, I think you should ask to #ubuntu or #debian[16:50:13] <jelly> Anomie_work: make that #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server or ##linux, don't bother (with) #debian as it does not cater to derivatives[16:50:31] *** Kako has joined #postfix[16:51:28] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[16:54:42] <Anomie_work> jelly: survietamine: Ta, already tried #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server is always dead but I'll try again[16:56:51] <jelly> be patient[16:58:39] <rob0> !mail[16:58:39] <knoba> rob0: "mail" : mail(1) (also known as mailx(1) or bsd-mailx) is not a Postfix-provided command. For help with it, see its man page. More powerful, commonly available console- and CLI-based MUAs include mutt, alpine and heirloom mailx (likewise, not supported here.)[16:59:16] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[17:00:14] *** MariusKarthaus has quit IRC[17:02:41] *** freezey has quit IRC[17:02:51] *** Anomie_work has left #postfix[17:09:18] *** Anomie_work has joined #postfix[17:10:18] <Anomie_work> Got my 'mail' command working (sudo apt-get install bsd-mailx) and it's executing my command without producing errors, and saying it's sent an email in my mail.log - but I'm not getting an email ? My mail.log: http://pastebin.com/yDz5DuLA[17:11:55] <Zerberus> Anomie_work: it is accepted by the google mail server[17:13:00] *** fugitive]dbv has quit IRC[17:16:14] *** sputnik has quit IRC[17:16:51] *** Dat has quit IRC[17:17:22] *** fugitive]dbv has joined #postfix[17:17:51] <stljim> Hey all I was talking with Zerberus on the sendmail side and I have a tough request from our dev folks... We have a dev server with real-email, I want to check the host who's sending the mail, if it's trying to send mail to anyone not in our domain then re-write all the recipients to some 'catch-all@ourdomain'[17:20:16] <Anomie_work> Zerberus: Thanks, weird - I still don't have anything in my inbox or spam, etc...Hmm[17:20:50] <Anomie_work> Ah, found it. Ta[17:23:33] *** h3m5k has quit IRC[17:27:55] *** freezey has joined #postfix[17:34:42] *** Pegasus_RPG has left #postfix[17:35:01] *** magyar has joined #postfix[17:40:33] *** h3m5k has joined #postfix[17:41:26] *** Dat has joined #postfix[17:43:05] *** freezey has quit IRC[17:43:35] *** freezey has joined #postfix[17:43:55] *** freezey has quit IRC[17:45:04] *** hallamigo has joined #postfix[17:48:05] *** freezey has joined #postfix[17:48:44] *** queretaro has joined #postfix[17:49:05] *** hallamigo has quit IRC[17:49:08] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[17:49:21] *** zerick has joined #postfix[17:49:22] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[17:49:26] *** hallamigo has joined #postfix[17:50:33] <queretaro> Hi, I just "set up" a mail server with Postfix & Dovecot (SASL), and although I can send mail using "telnet localhost 25", I cannot use Thunderbird to authenticate. The last part of my main.cf is http://pastebin.com/5bECKs6y , can you see any evident errors?[17:50:50] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[17:51:22] <queretaro> I already set up Thunderbird to use SSL/TLS for IMAP and SMTP[17:51:43] <queretaro> I can read mail from Thunderbird but not send :-/[17:51:55] *** ffiore has quit IRC[17:52:26] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[17:52:31] <rob0> stljim, it is doable but not simple. The access(5) manual has REDIRECT and FILTER actions which could be invoked via a restriction class and check_client_access lookup.[17:53:00] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[17:53:27] <rob0> !tell queretaro getting_help[17:53:27] <knoba> queretaro: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[17:53:43] <rob0> !relevant_logs[17:53:44] <knoba> rob0: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[17:53:49] <rob0> !showconfig[17:53:49] <knoba> rob0: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[17:53:51] <stljim> rob0: Thanks, I was also pointed toward maybe using a milter (mimedefang or something) to do the filtering rules[17:54:26] <rob0> stljim, yes, a milter is another option, but might require some custom programming outside of Postfix.[17:55:38] <queretaro> will do knoba[17:58:50] *** Dat has quit IRC[18:00:01] *** Dat has joined #postfix[18:10:35] *** eagles0513875_ has quit IRC[18:16:22] *** fugitive]dbv has quit IRC[18:17:38] *** jefferai has quit IRC[18:18:08] *** jefferai has joined #postfix[18:27:46] *** davlefouAMD has quit IRC[18:30:07] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[18:30:24] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[18:42:20] *** wdp has quit IRC[18:49:34] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[18:52:06] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[18:53:04] *** hparker has joined #postfix[18:56:27] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[18:56:59] *** honestly has quit IRC[18:57:57] *** honestly has joined #postfix[18:57:57] *** honestly has joined #postfix[19:03:52] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[19:11:44] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[19:12:08] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[19:16:27] <RedFyre> Hi. Is it possible to filter email based on the "To:" as compared to the mail envelope (eg so that I could block email that's being redirected to our users from another server -- but not all email from that server) ?[19:17:47] <UQlev> RedFyre, headers check or sieve[19:18:03] <RedFyre> is "headers check" a feature in postfix?[19:18:26] <UQlev> yes[19:18:26] <RedFyre> which from the name, yes, is basically what I want to do[19:26:25] *** UQlev has quit IRC[19:26:50] <sp00kz> the webmail filter preferences lets you filter/move messages based on headers[19:27:02] <sp00kz> header checks is a postfix thing for rejecting mail[19:28:07] <RedFyre> what "webmail filter preferences" ?[19:28:45] * RedFyre wants to do this on a mail server wide basis, regardless of whose acct is the rcpt to[19:37:02] *** moparisthebest_ has quit IRC[19:39:47] *** moparisthebest has joined #postfix[19:40:11] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[19:45:01] <rob0> RedFyre, what about mailing list mail? Envelope sender is the listserver, header sender might be your user. What about BCC mail in general?[19:46:56] <rob0> Sure, you can possibly make a policy to ban BCC recipients, but it does not sound like a good idea. (And header_checks(5) won't do it, because they only check one header at a time, and only once. You can't scan all headers for all recipients.)[19:48:09] <RedFyre> well, specific case I am trying to handle, of mail that routes through Exchange then expands that exchange address to addresses on my server[19:48:56] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[19:49:46] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[19:51:51] *** ffiore has quit IRC[19:53:11] *** davlefou has quit IRC[19:54:18] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[20:02:04] *** kli0rf has joined #postfix[20:02:12] *** kli0rf is now known as sputnik[20:09:30] *** alnr has joined #postfix[20:18:11] <alnr> i have an issue where one of my MXs (especially when changing ip, provider etc) may be temporarily blocked on a private BL eg verizon,aol or att due to the IP having a past. I'm looking for a way to temporarily make that MX handle a given domain in a different way than reject. ie relaying to another mx, issue temporary fail etc, on a per domain basis.[20:19:47] <rob0> I always set soft_bounce=yes when making major changes.[20:19:50] *** maxter_ has quit IRC[20:28:30] *** wdp has joined #postfix[20:28:30] *** wdp has joined #postfix[20:30:39] *** bitraten has joined #postfix[20:39:00] *** rootrider has joined #postfix[20:39:40] <rootrider> hi.. I need a sanity check[20:39:49] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[20:40:13] <rootrider> the virtual_uid_maps and virtual_gid_maps hash files.. do not need to reference uid's and gid's that actually exist on the system, right?[20:40:38] <rootrider> as long as the uid & gid all match up across the different map files, and work with the imap/pop3 server, all is well.... right?[20:42:17] <rob0> "Actually exist on the system" are UIDs and GIDs 0 through 65534 inclusive. There is no requirement for passwd(5)/group(5) name mapping to exist nor work.[20:46:05] <rootrider> fair enough.. sorry, I meant that the uid's don't need to equate to anything in the passwd file[20:46:08] <rootrider> much thanks[20:48:53] *** rootrider has left #postfix[20:50:19] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[20:53:02] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[20:54:54] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[20:56:10] *** jmiller__ has joined #postfix[20:57:35] *** stljim has quit IRC[21:06:27] *** maxter_ has joined #postfix[21:08:13] *** oal has joined #postfix[21:12:46] <adaptr> webfail milter[21:35:48] *** jmiller__ has quit IRC[21:35:49] <oal> What is the simplest way to point an e-mail address to a unix account for only one domain?[21:35:59] *** stljim has joined #postfix[21:36:17] <oal> I don't want me at domain1 dot com and me at domain2 dot com to go to the same account[21:37:41] <Zerberus> oal: define both domain1.com and domain2.com as local(8) in $mydestination[21:40:21] <rob0> no, in this case choose one for $mydestination. The other could be $virtual_alias_domains, see the virtual ALIAS example in:[21:40:25] <rob0> !virtual[21:40:25] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[21:42:01] <oal> rob0, so if I define an alias, it won't also be received by the default domain/user?[21:43:41] <rob0> "the default domain/user" is a concept with which I am not familiar. It's not a Postfix thing. You set the target[s] fpr any aliases you define.[21:44:03] <rob0> *for[21:44:34] <oal> Won't [anything]@[mydestination] be received by the unix user [anything]?[21:44:45] <oal> mydestination being the "default domain"[21:45:12] <rob0> !mydestination[21:45:12] <knoba> rob0: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination for more information.[21:46:11] <rob0> It's a list of domains. Basically yes, if "user" exists on the system, user at mydestination dot domains is delivered there.[21:47:06] <oal> Can that be disabled, so that I have to define an alias user and domain, for a user to receive mail?[21:48:35] *** jelly has quit IRC[21:49:12] *** jelly has joined #postfix[21:50:56] <rob0> After you look over the "virtual ALIAS example", browse the rest of that document. Maybe what you want is to use a name like "localhost" in mydestination, and set your virtual_alias_maps to rewrite user at example dot com to user@localhost.[21:51:16] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[21:51:34] <rob0> Then you'd define all your real domains in $virtual_alias_domains[21:52:21] *** zerick has quit IRC[21:53:44] *** zerick has joined #postfix[21:54:25] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[21:56:55] <trurl> mh, well, d'oh! "NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from outmail039.prn2.facebook.com[66.220.144.166]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [66.220.144.166] blocked using ix.dnsbl.manitu.net;"[22:04:07] *** AbrarSyed has joined #postfix[22:10:12] <AbrarSyed> hi guys[22:11:03] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[22:11:36] <AbrarSyed> when I send an email to user at domain dot com, it gives me >> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table[22:11:48] <rob0> !unknown_local[22:11:48] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).[22:11:59] <rob0> !example[22:11:59] <knoba> rob0: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.[22:12:00] <AbrarSyed> I can verify that the user is a defined on the box as alinux user[22:13:57] <AbrarSyed> the user exists in passwd file[22:25:34] <AbrarSyed> yeah user definitely exists, because im logged in as it, yet postfix says it doesnt exist....[22:25:37] <AbrarSyed> any ideas?[22:26:01] *** Praise has quit IRC[22:34:02] <AbrarSyed> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128[22:34:05] <AbrarSyed> thats in the cnfig file[22:34:16] <AbrarSyed> should I replace 127.0.0.1 wih the actual IP of the server?[22:34:22] <AbrarSyed> could that fix/break anything?[22:36:36] * AbrarSyed wonders if purging postfix and starting again from scratch would be at all useful[22:39:50] <pj> !tell AbrarSyed getting_help[22:39:50] <knoba> AbrarSyed: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[22:40:11] <AbrarSyed> ohright.. the config[22:40:13] <AbrarSyed> will do[22:40:27] <pj> and logs[22:47:26] <trurl> could someone look at this and check it for sanity? i know, i should use policyd-weight (and i will), but i need some time to understand it fully. -> http://nopaste.me/paste/1578670327525c57db840fc[22:52:04] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[22:52:48] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there anythign special i need to do to have a 3rd party mail application connect to a postfix + dovecot + mysql (virtual domains & users)[22:54:35] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[22:54:37] *** maxter_ has quit IRC[22:55:16] <jaybe> eagles0513875, configuration.[22:56:09] <eagles0513875> jaybe: i have everythign working[22:56:09] <eagles0513875> webmail works fine[22:58:28] *** jarif has quit IRC[22:59:11] *** wdp has quit IRC[23:01:42] *** AbrarSyed is now known as Abrar|gone[23:02:55] *** Kunda has joined #postfix[23:05:35] <rob0> trurl, your DNSWL lookup would prevent ix.dnsbl.manitu.net from blocking facebook outbounds. But if whitelisting is needed, I'd question the wisdom of using ix.dnsbl.manitu.net at all.[23:06:04] <rob0> Also, "sanity" might vary widely depending on what is in your access(5) lookups.[23:10:14] *** mungustas has quit IRC[23:17:00] *** mungustas has joined #postfix[23:23:20] *** queretaro has quit IRC[23:24:50] *** stljim has quit IRC[23:26:20] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[23:26:38] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[23:30:10] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[23:30:46] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[23:31:53] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[23:36:14] <trurl> rob0: except "hostmaster[postmaster,...]@ permit_auth_destination" in check_recipient_access nothing really. there's an relay_recipient_maps containing valid recipients, everything else is empty[23:41:36] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[23:42:19] <eagles0513875> in a virtual user and domain setup should mydestination be blank??[23:45:08] <jaybe> eagles0513875, it can be; generally `localhost` is reasonable[23:46:33] <eagles0513875> no localhost.localdomain isnt necessary?[23:47:25] <jaybe> re-reading that sentence doesn't even help[23:54:31] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[23:55:09] *** stljim has joined #postfix[23:55:15] *** Elisha has quit IRC