October 12, 2013 
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October 12, 2013 [00:06:14] *** worstadmin has quit IRC[00:06:54] *** mbc has joined #postfix[00:09:34] *** zerick has joined #postfix[00:12:04] *** nutron has quit IRC[00:17:16] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[00:18:21] *** worstadmin has joined #postfix[00:20:36] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[00:23:31] *** warhead has quit IRC[00:48:45] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[01:03:47] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[01:19:17] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[01:45:08] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[01:45:43] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[02:08:46] *** UQlev has quit IRC[02:40:00] *** Bronze has quit IRC[02:50:03] *** hallamigo has quit IRC[02:50:28] *** defaultro has joined #postfix[02:51:04] <defaultro> what is my boss talking about "We need a email server that supports Active Exchange push protocol." what is this?[02:57:38] *** JPT has quit IRC[03:00:07] *** MacWinner has joined #postfix[03:00:27] *** colt has joined #postfix[03:00:46] *** colt has quit IRC[03:06:02] *** JPT has joined #postfix[03:11:27] *** mishehu has joined #postfix[03:32:14] *** zerick has quit IRC[03:55:08] *** Guest38556 has quit IRC[03:56:06] *** yezariaely has joined #postfix[03:56:07] *** yezariaely has quit IRC[03:56:48] *** yezariaely has joined #postfix[04:17:50] *** fbh_ has quit IRC[04:18:03] *** jelly-home has quit IRC[04:18:06] *** dchan has quit IRC[04:18:37] *** fbh has joined #postfix[04:18:49] *** dchan has joined #postfix[04:19:52] *** hurtigbuffer has joined #postfix[04:20:23] <lunaphyte> ask them?[04:20:43] <jacekowski> hi all[04:21:20] <jacekowski> i've just got a bounce message after sending email to support at godaddy dot com complaining about my SPFs[04:21:38] <jacekowski> p3pismtp01-010.prod.phx3.secureserver.net gave this error:[04:21:38] <jacekowski> SPF unauthorized mail is prohibited.[04:22:43] <jacekowski> jacekowski.org. 60 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx -all"[04:23:51] <lunaphyte> pastebin postfix logs of the message delivery to godaddy[04:25:06] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[04:26:25] <jacekowski> all ok there[04:26:55] <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/eC9CzaTh[04:27:18] <jacekowski> i got a lot more info from the bounce message[04:27:38] <lunaphyte> so the message was not rejected? it was accepted by godaddy, and then bounced?[04:27:55] <jacekowski> yes[04:28:07] <lunaphyte> then where are the logs which demonstrate this?[04:28:24] <lunaphyte> how have not shown logs of delivery to godaddy[04:29:25] <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/KSLKeGPF[04:29:54] <jacekowski> it got delivered to godaddy and then it took a weird turn[04:30:05] <lunaphyte> if you insist on using pastebin, please share the raw link here[04:30:32] <jacekowski> well, you said pastebin[04:30:38] <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KSLKeGPF[04:30:39] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[04:30:47] <lunaphyte> yes, pastebin in the generic sense.[04:30:55] <lunaphyte> like "xerox", or "kleenex"[04:30:57] <lunaphyte> etc[04:31:19] <lunaphyte> anyway, show logs of delivery to godaddy[04:31:31] <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eC9CzaTh[04:31:42] <jacekowski> ahm[04:31:44] <jacekowski> wait a second[04:31:56] <lunaphyte> you already showed that url[04:33:25] <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iHmPrJuM[04:33:58] <jacekowski> it was accepted by their MTA[04:36:04] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure i understand what the problem is[04:37:21] <jacekowski> i've sent email to support at godaddy dot com, their MX accepted the email, then minute later they sent a bounce message that it failed on SPF[04:38:16] <lunaphyte> pastebin this failure[04:39:27] <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=34U3ACk4[04:40:17] <defaultro> maybe this is what my boss meant, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_ActiveSync[04:40:37] <jacekowski> defaultro: probably yes[04:40:41] <lunaphyte> jacekowski: looks to me like one mail server forwarded it to some other mail server, thereby breaking spf.[04:41:04] <defaultro> jacekowski: ok. And yes, we are developing an app in mobile too. Does postfix support this?[04:41:12] <jacekowski> lunaphyte: yep, but i somehow can't believe that godaddy would have a fuckup like that[04:41:15] <jacekowski> defaultro: no[04:41:18] <jacekowski> defaultro: microsoft exchange does[04:41:19] <defaultro> k[04:41:19] <lunaphyte> believe it[04:41:30] <defaultro> k[04:42:05] <jacekowski> lunaphyte: so, are you saying that only way to send email to them would be to change my SPFs to allow all (or just their servers)[04:42:25] <lunaphyte> i certainly wouldn't do that.[04:42:40] <lunaphyte> you might just try soft fail[04:42:50] <jacekowski> disable SPF completly?[04:42:55] <lunaphyte> oh, and btw, "a mx" is silly and redundant[04:42:59] <lunaphyte> disable spf?[04:43:00] <lunaphyte> huh?[04:43:24] <jacekowski> as in, remove my SPF record from dns, send that email, wait few minutes, readd the record[04:43:30] <lunaphyte> huh?[04:43:40] <lunaphyte> i don't know what you're talking about[04:43:53] <jacekowski> well, i'm obviously trying to send email to godaddy[04:44:06] <jacekowski> and it got bounced because of some SPF filtering problem on their end[04:44:10] *** MaximusColourum has left #postfix[04:44:17] <lunaphyte> i don't think there has been any debate regarding any of that[04:44:37] <jacekowski> well, no[05:55:12] *** hurtigbuffer is now known as jelly-home[06:00:07] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[06:00:08] *** MacWinner has quit IRC[06:00:25] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[07:36:37] *** moldy has quit IRC[07:41:15] *** jeev has joined #postfix[07:48:10] *** magyar has quit IRC[08:06:01] *** ArdilloLoco has joined #postfix[08:06:15] *** ArdilloLoco has left #postfix[08:27:10] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[08:32:36] *** j4jackj has joined #postfix[09:21:55] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[09:31:37] *** eagles0513875_ has joined #postfix[09:32:52] <eagles0513875_> hi all I am workign on setting up postfix to relay to virtual users and domains. I was told about these relay_domains, relay_recipient_maps and relay_transport. Do I need to setup postfix to use all 3 or one of those 3 and if just one which would be the recommended way to go?[09:45:05] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[09:55:54] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[10:03:01] *** morse has quit IRC[10:17:31] *** trusktr has quit IRC[10:22:08] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[10:24:46] *** davlefou has quit IRC[10:40:27] *** jelly has quit IRC[10:41:03] *** jelly has joined #postfix[11:00:17] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[11:00:34] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[11:02:32] *** gal-713 has joined #postfix[11:04:06] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[11:05:47] *** gal-713 has quit IRC[11:23:57] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[11:24:45] *** ffiore has quit IRC[11:24:52] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[11:26:23] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[11:26:29] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[11:29:20] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[11:30:03] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[11:37:45] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[11:39:35] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[11:41:42] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[11:45:12] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[12:11:16] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: ping[12:13:18] *** morse has joined #postfix[12:17:20] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[12:23:13] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[12:26:09] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[12:26:24] *** leprechau has quit IRC[12:28:25] *** ahref has joined #postfix[12:29:29] *** leprechau has joined #postfix[12:35:19] *** pj-phone has joined #postfix[12:35:30] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[12:42:03] *** stephan48 has quit IRC[12:48:15] *** pj-phone has quit IRC[12:48:24] *** pj-phone2 has joined #postfix[12:49:21] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[12:49:21] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[12:51:11] *** pj-phone2 has quit IRC[12:55:58] *** ahref has quit IRC[13:02:17] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[13:03:11] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[13:16:54] *** pppingme has quit IRC[13:22:41] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[13:23:38] *** pppingme has joined #postfix[13:24:50] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[13:26:59] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[13:54:08] *** chaitanya has joined #postfix[13:55:00] *** chaitanya has quit IRC[13:55:41] *** ddsfg has joined #postfix[13:56:51] <eagles0513875_> hey guys anyone in here have a multiple domain email setup ? I am stumped on a one thing and that is getting postfix to relay to virtual users and domains[13:58:34] <adaptr> !tell eagles0513875_ relay[13:58:34] <knoba> adaptr: Error: No factoid matches that key.[13:58:37] <adaptr> hmmmpf[13:59:02] <adaptr> eagles0513875_: "relay to virtual users" has no meaning. either you relay, or use virtual users[13:59:17] <adaptr> this is #Postfix, not #LDA-of-choice[13:59:28] <eagles0513875_> adaptr: im using a virtual domain and user seutp and for some reason when i try and send an email i get a bounce back saying relay access denied[13:59:42] <adaptr> yeah, can you possibly provide even less information ?[13:59:47] <adaptr> !tell eagles0513875_ welcome[13:59:48] <knoba> eagles0513875_: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![14:00:15] *** cheater_1 has left #postfix[14:00:55] <eagles0513875_> so im not sure if i need something like these in my main.cf relay_domains, relay_recipient_maps and relay_transport. all three or just one. http://pastebin.com/UzcgmRDR[14:02:33] <eagles0513875_> is there anything else you need me to provide adaptr[14:05:08] <adaptr> does that pastebin contain logs demonstrating the problem ?[14:05:41] <eagles0513875_> no[14:05:42] <eagles0513875_> oh[14:05:47] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[14:07:27] <eagles0513875_> and here is the error which ends up in the logs http://pastebin.com/7kDyBJBd[14:08:03] <adaptr> !tell eagles0513875_ relay_denied[14:08:03] <knoba> eagles0513875_: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_[14:08:26] <adaptr> )[14:08:54] <eagles0513875_> dont i need to tell it to look in the db for the domains ?[14:09:23] <adaptr> I don't even know what you're talking about. it sounds as if you have nary a clue what you're doing[14:10:04] <eagles0513875_> im a bit lost cuz this is taking advantage of virtual users and domains stored in a mysql db[14:10:19] <adaptr> taking advantage ? how ?[14:10:49] *** rotbeard has quit IRC[14:12:13] <eagles0513875_> i dunno is there anything i need to put into my main.cff to tell it the users are virtual users as well as the domain[14:12:16] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[14:12:37] <adaptr> you say yuo want to relay. what virtual users ?[14:13:02] <eagles0513875_> i have a postfix + dovecot + mysql setup so im using virtual domains and users[14:13:08] <eagles0513875_> i dunno if relaying is necessary[14:13:16] <eagles0513875_> or i dont have somethign totally configured right[14:13:31] <adaptr> I suspect it behooves you to find out, then.[14:14:16] <eagles0513875_> ill check the configs for a 3rd time[14:14:53] <adaptr> I suggest you start going through the documentation, in a leisurely fashion, from scratch. drop any random shit you found online. it will be wrong.[14:15:02] <adaptr> !tell eagles0513875_ basic[14:15:02] <knoba> eagles0513875_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[14:15:08] <adaptr> !tell eagles0513875_ virtual[14:15:08] <knoba> eagles0513875_: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[14:16:41] <eagles0513875_> thanks[14:22:48] <eagles0513875_> think i found the step i missed :D[14:24:02] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[14:25:44] <eagles0513875_> adaptr: now it seems the email is in limbo somewhere[14:27:24] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[14:42:38] *** ddsfg has quit IRC[14:58:32] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[15:01:25] <rob0> Mail be limbo mail be quick, mail go UNDA limbo stick![15:01:28] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[15:01:58] <eagles0513875_> rob0: for some reason squirrelmail isnt picking it up[15:05:30] <eagles0513875_> i cannot figure out where the emails are ending up[15:05:37] <eagles0513875_> im going to take a break from this as I am at my wits end[15:24:36] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[15:27:50] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[15:35:36] <adaptr> see above re: nary a clue.[15:39:23] *** sniffells has joined #postfix[15:40:39] *** robinho86 has quit IRC[15:41:46] *** mibofra is now known as mibofra_smart[15:47:21] *** sniffell1 has joined #postfix[15:47:35] *** sniffells has quit IRC[15:59:33] <eagles0513875_> thanks adaptr going to check the config again[16:00:14] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[16:00:50] *** j4jackj has quit IRC[16:06:57] *** howitdo has quit IRC[16:18:03] *** Lidwa has quit IRC[16:20:51] *** howitdo has joined #postfix[16:21:21] <adaptr> I really must stress reading the documentation properly. 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I'm trying to convert my aging qmail+vpopmail+maildrop+dspam+dovecot system over to postfix. I labbed up a system according to https://library.linode.com/email/postfix/postfix2.9.6-dovecot2.0.19-mysql, and it works, but I'm at a loss as to how I should properly incorporate maildrop and dspam into the equation[22:56:41] <adaptr> !tell mishehu tutorial[22:56:42] <knoba> mishehu: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[22:58:44] <mishehu> adaptr: I think you mean well, but that statement is less than helpful. I've toyed around a bit with postfix but not much. one has to start somewhere.[22:59:01] <adaptr> that "statement" is a factoid. I did not write it.[22:59:13] <adaptr> but it holds true in 95% of all cases, ever.[22:59:32] <adaptr> please, refer to the official documentation on how to configure postfix[22:59:37] <mishehu> doesn't make it any more helpful in this case. I am not new to mail systems in general. I am only newish to the postfix-way.[22:59:40] <adaptr> much less pain is had that way[23:00:14] <adaptr> yuo imply that you have not read the documentation. this does not bode well so far.[23:00:21] * mishehu drops a bucket of nails, screws, some wooden boards, a hammer, drill, screwdriver, etc, and says "ok now build me a house".[23:00:30] <mishehu> adaptr: I imply nothing. you assumed. :-)[23:00:48] <adaptr> no. you stated you used a non-postfix document. this implies exclusion[23:01:14] <adaptr> again, please use the official documentation. it is very good, and completely describes postfix. nothing else even comes close[23:01:19] <mishehu> sorry, wrong. you are assuming based upon prior experience. in 95% of the cases you are probably correct.[23:01:41] <adaptr> I am merely stating what your words imply. it is unrelated to my experience[23:02:14] <mishehu> sorry, I have no patience for your pedantry. what my words mean to you is different than what they mean to me.[23:02:21] <mishehu> and I have read the documentation[23:02:43] <mishehu> postfix is in some ways like FreeSWITCH is for VoIP switches - there are multiple different paths on how to come to a solution[23:02:57] <adaptr> too llittle, too late, I am no longer interested in expanding on my support[23:03:07] <mishehu> fine[23:03:48] <mishehu> you are a shining example of the postfix project. please though, if you ever wish to mess around with FreeSWITCH I can assure you I'll be much more helpful.[23:04:06] <adaptr> I am not associated with "the postfix project".[23:04:21] <mishehu> s/project/community[23:04:49] <adaptr> and you seem focused on how you are treated in preference to getting useful answers. are you new to IRC ?[23:05:32] <mishehu> is this some sort of a pissing contest?[23:07:07] <adaptr> I assume you had a goal in coming here, other than complaining about the things unrelated to that goal ?[23:07:16] <adaptr> why are you not focusing on achieving it ?[23:08:07] <adaptr> I stated this channel's public advise against random tutorials. that was not to your liking, even though it is designed to be helpful in its own right. it is a warning.[23:12:03] <mishehu> and I stated that I knew you meant well, but that I have done some documentation reading. I found a tutorial demonstrated how to put various aspects together - virtual domains w/mysql support, but if I understand properly how this is set up, it hands the mails off to dovecot, and dovecot manages the delivery to the filesystem. I would like this method because then dovecot can handle the quotas for each mailbox as well.[23:12:17] <mishehu> s/demonstrated/demonstrating[23:12:49] <adaptr> !tell mishehu virtual[23:12:49] <knoba> mishehu: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[23:13:32] <adaptr> this provides the postfix side of things. if you wish to use dovecot for delivery to virtual domains, you'll have to consult the dovecot documentation for that, and set the appropriate virtual_transport[23:13:36] <mishehu> now the documetnation does have a maildrop page, but in it the handoff goes to maildrop and not dovecot, which will preclude the ability to manage the quotas.[23:13:41] <adaptr> thw dovecot wiki is a bit disjointed, but it works[23:14:06] <adaptr> for virtual delivery via an alternate MDA, nothing in postfix will suffice.[23:14:20] <adaptr> set virtual_transport, and configure $whatever to do the rest[23:14:39] <adaptr> do use LMTp to deliver to dovecot, as it is superior to any other means[23:15:13] <mishehu> indeed, it's using an unix socket. I don't know much about the actual underlying protocol, but I'm guessing it's rather stripped down and lean to be efficient.[23:15:28] <adaptr> surprisingly, it is documented.[23:15:34] <mishehu> why is that surprising?[23:15:35] <adaptr> and has its own RFC[23:15:39] <adaptr> you seem to be[23:16:09] <mishehu> I've had no need to know how to implement my own lmtp transport.[23:16:32] <adaptr> nor will you. postfix speaks LMTP. dovecot speaks LMTP.[23:17:02] <mishehu> that's fine by me. :-)[23:17:08] <mishehu> and so does dspam[23:17:30] <adaptr> I have all three in line over LMTP. has worked flawlessly for over a year now[23:18:11] <mishehu> you go postfix->dspam->dovecot ?[23:18:38] <adaptr> yes[23:18:45] <adaptr> !mailbox_transport[23:18:45] <knoba> adaptr: "mailbox_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional message delivery transport that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery to all local recipients, whether or not they are found in the UNIX passwd database.[23:19:26] <adaptr> dspam's "documentation" is horrible, alas.[23:20:27] <mishehu> yeah. I managed to get it working years ago and used the same configs.[23:20:49] <mishehu> part of the problem with dspam was that he sold it, then the company that bought it put it back to the public[23:20:59] <mishehu> I think the community might have shriveled a bit in this process[23:21:03] <adaptr> many of the "features" alluded to when called directly just evaporate with LMTP[23:21:22] <adaptr> retraining is a mess[23:21:29] <adaptr> the code, in fact, is an utter mess[23:21:48] <adaptr> debugging is not exactly non-existent but might as well be, since it is utterly unusable[23:22:44] <mishehu> I don't think I've ever had to debug a config. but I always had it running in client-server mode, using maildrop's xfilter to pipe messages to it. the server component of dspam I had supervised under djb daemontools and later runit.[23:23:53] <mishehu> I never did anything with lmtp until just last night when I was messing with postfix for inbound mail reception. I've up until now used postfix for mail relay since qmail is a huge pain wheni t comes to patching... oh you want ipv6 support? *snicker*[23:24:45] <mishehu> the thing about dspam is that when combined with spf and rbl's, I find it to be at least as accurate as spamassassin but a lot quicker.[23:25:02] <adaptr> it is fast, yes. and amavisd just blows IMO[23:25:18] <adaptr> 2.4 MEGABYTE perl monstrosity[23:27:24] <mishehu> have you any experience working with sieve?[23:27:52] <adaptr> I use pigeonhole. flawless[23:28:02] <mishehu> another friend of mine said he was thinking of switching to sieve instead, and it looks like it has similar capabilities to maildrop[23:28:06] <adaptr> not the easiest standardized language to use or learn though[23:28:11] <adaptr> it has the same[23:28:14] <adaptr> if not more[23:28:28] <adaptr> if you're thinkinhg about that, get rid of maildrop now. courier components uech[23:28:29] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[23:28:44] <adaptr> dovecot 2.x and pigeonhole will do anything maildrop does[23:28:54] * mishehu goes to look at pigeonhole as well[23:29:59] <adaptr> wiki2.dovecot.org, as well[23:30:16] <mishehu> hahahahahaah[23:30:26] <mishehu> I never knew dovecot was an actual word[23:30:40] <mishehu> until I brought up the pigeonhole page on dovecot's wiki[23:31:07] <adaptr> "courier" "post" "dovecot"[23:31:13] <adaptr> there's a Theme[23:31:17] <mishehu> indeed[23:31:26] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[23:31:34] <mishehu> though courier sucked. I used to use their imap server about 6 years ago. *gag*[23:32:00] <mishehu> I was reluctant to switch to dovecot, and the instant I did I couldn't have been happier. it just works.[23:32:38] * mishehu sends adaptr a message over rfc1149[23:32:50] <adaptr> courier does suck. there is still debate about scalability on courier vs dovecot, in the 50000+ mailbox range, but dovecot wins hands down on features and interoperability[23:32:56] * adaptr closes the window quickly, and waits for the THWAP[23:34:24] <mishehu> I used to work at a pretty big hosting company, and I wish I had some statistics on how many mailboxes we would cram onto a shared server on average.[23:34:44] <mishehu> we used dovecot (these were cpanel servers)[23:35:07] <mishehu> oh i see rfc2549 incorporates QoS into the avian carriers...[23:36:04] <adaptr> I expect 4949 introduces in transit inter-pigeon communication[23:36:15] <adaptr> AKA "birdfighting"[23:37:14] <mishehu> oy vey[23:39:05] <mishehu> I didn't realize sieve had an rfc for it[23:39:16] <mishehu> or shall I say multiple[23:39:47] <adaptr> yuo shall[23:42:02] <mishehu> ooh nice somebody contrib'ed a slackbuild script for dovecot-pigeonhole too[23:42:09] <mishehu> means I don't have to work up my own. :-)[23:43:58] <adaptr> I have postfix 2.10.2 right here[23:44:04] <mishehu> yah[23:44:05] <adaptr> as well as dovecot 2.11 or some such[23:44:08] <mishehu> I see you're a slackware user too[23:44:30] <adaptr> the only boxc that doesn't run slackware is my mediaplayer[23:44:32] <mishehu> I installed dovecot 2.2.6, I think that's the most recent stable[23:45:09] <mishehu> hahaha yah same here. my htpc runs mythbuntu just because I'm lazy. though it's getting to the point where I might just flatline it and build my packages again.[23:45:17] <adaptr> openelec. nuff said.[23:45:30] <adaptr> mythcrappu is just not up for it.[23:46:43] <mishehu> brb, goign to do the thing with pigeonhole[23:50:24] <mishehu> adaptr: how long you been working with postfix?[23:51:14] <adaptr> dunno, years[23:57:20] <mishehu> you use it professionally or just for your own personal systems?[23:58:25] <adaptr> both[23:58:43] <adaptr> though professional use is much simpler, in my case. no mailboxes to speak of, which are always the most work