October 11, 2013 
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October 11, 2013 [00:01:53] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[00:05:38] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[00:08:57] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[00:10:01] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[00:19:47] *** TheAvatar has joined #postfix[00:21:38] <adaptr> !rob0_client_restrictions[00:21:38] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "rob0_client_restrictions" is not a valid command.[00:22:47] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[01:05:03] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[01:05:24] *** twb has joined #postfix[01:07:59] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[01:08:24] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[01:09:36] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[01:11:53] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:19:33] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[01:29:33] *** Neytiri has quit IRC[01:45:44] *** Rene has joined #postfix[01:46:20] <Rene> hi folks[01:47:23] <Rene> could someone help me out with this error: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied[01:47:45] <lunaphyte_> !tell Rene getting_help[01:47:46] <knoba> Rene: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[01:47:53] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[01:48:33] <Rene> knoba: ok, hold on[01:50:40] <Rene> knoba: here is the error: http://pastebin.com/ih5xgTad[01:51:14] <Rene> i'm having an app that's sending to the local smtp-server, and now it looks that i nee authentication[01:51:20] <lunaphyte_> you need to configure the postfix submission service, and configure smtp auth[01:51:43] <Rene> the app does not support authentication, so i need to disable it..[01:53:02] <lunaphyte_> yikes.[01:53:05] <lunaphyte_> what program is this?[01:54:03] <Patrickdk> one that doesn't support auth, all you need to know :)[01:54:20] <lunaphyte_> indeed.[01:54:26] * Patrickdk wonders where these programs come from, the 80's?[01:54:35] <lunaphyte_> this is something i *want* to know, not something i *need* to know.[01:57:55] *** hallamigo has quit IRC[02:01:07] *** Motoko has quit IRC[02:03:06] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[02:05:52] <Rene> lunaphyte_: it's zabbix that runs on the same server as postifx[02:06:02] <lunaphyte_> zabbix can't auth?[02:06:03] <lunaphyte_> shame.[02:06:10] <lunaphyte_> well, that's what null clients are for.[02:06:13] <Rene> not the version i run..[02:06:29] <lunaphyte_> install and configure msmtp, have zabbix use that, and then you can do proper smtp auth[02:06:35] <Rene> could be that the 2.0 versin can handle that[02:06:43] <thumbs> bollock. Zabbix can.[02:06:46] <thumbs> *bollocks[02:06:47] <lunaphyte_> plus you get the added bonus of much better auditing and management.[02:07:02] <Rene> umm, i guess 2.0, but not 1.8[02:07:14] <thumbs> why are you running ancient software?[02:08:03] <Rene> i have a pretty complex api-maintenance-script that relys on a perl api library..[02:08:14] <Rene> and that library does not yet work with the 2.0 api :-([02:10:00] <twb> Since it's on the same host you can probably use /usr/sbin/sendmail instead if you can't get 587 working[02:12:26] <Rene> twb: unfortunately that does not seem to work. For Redmine i got that working before i figured out how to configure auth for it[02:15:30] <twb> Rene: /usr/sbin/sendmail shouldn't need auth. It should just use maildrop to plonk anything you give it in the queue, no questions asked[02:15:58] <twb> (Assuming it's postfix's sendmail, and I guess I'm assuming it's not disabled or anything.)[02:20:10] <Rene> twb: yes, postfix sendmail works and is enabled[02:20:35] <Rene> i have to take a new look at the zabbix-config on how i could use sendmail..[02:22:37] <Rene> twb: nope.. zabbix 1.8 does not take sendmail[02:23:01] <Rene> is it possible to disable auth in postifx?[02:24:25] <thumbs> use a nullclient 2x[02:26:58] *** monoglets has quit IRC[02:29:08] *** zerick has quit IRC[02:29:50] <twb> You can tell it to trust mynetworks and include 127.0.0.0/8 in mynetworks (and ideally nothing else) -- that means anything on the local host will be trusted to send mail to anyone without authenticating, but /usr/sbin/sendmail is providing nearly as much access[02:30:16] <twb> IMO that's not a big deal, but I know lunaphyte_ hates mynetworks[02:30:30] <Rene> thanks! :-)[02:30:58] * Rene starts to look where to set the trust[02:31:01] <twb> And I agree that using submission is invariably better where possible[02:31:43] <twb> Rene: by default it's done by permit_mynetworks in recipient_restrictions IIRC... I've been doing samba all week so I'm pretty fried[02:32:25] *** colt has joined #postfix[02:33:01] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[02:33:19] *** colt has quit IRC[02:33:31] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[02:34:06] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[02:37:31] <Rene> hmmmm...[02:45:09] *** jarif has quit IRC[02:53:29] <Rene> argh..still getting Relay access denied...[02:55:12] *** RootWyrm_ has joined #postfix[02:56:28] <twb> !welcome[02:56:28] <knoba> twb: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![02:56:44] <twb> Urgh, I forget which it is that says about postconf -n and such[02:57:27] *** omgs has joined #postfix[02:57:43] <omgs> Hi[02:57:58] <RootWyrm_> Any DKIM/opendkim gurus about? My struggle continues. :/[02:58:06] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[02:58:10] <omgs> Easy and maybe silly, but I wouldn't like to mess existing things[02:58:35] <omgs> Can I use domain.* in left side of transport?[03:00:57] <omgs> The wildcard is intended to cover up to all the countries of domain, like 'com', 'fr', 'es', 'de' and so on[03:06:03] <RootWyrm_> I think you could do that as a pcre transport_maps, but may not be the best way.[03:06:14] <twb> omgs: that does sound like a silly idea[03:06:45] <twb> because then I could add domain.badpeople.example.net and get you to treat me as a domain.*[03:06:46] <Rene> twb: i got it! i had mynetworks_style = subnet instead of mynetworks_style = host[03:06:51] <Rene> now it works ! :-)[03:06:51] *** zyklon has joined #postfix[03:07:17] <twb> Rene: you should probably only set mynetworks or mynetworks_style, not both[03:07:19] <RootWyrm_> Silly, not so much. It's not an uncommon situation. Just requires careful consideration.[03:07:27] <twb> (From memory -- if postconf(5) contradicts me, believe it)[03:07:55] <RootWyrm_> e.g. you want to catch domain.com, domain.net, domain.co.uk, domain.fr, but not domain.com.foo.bar[03:07:59] <twb> RootWyrm_: I'd rather enumerate the valid domains unless there was a good reason not to, even if that meant using m4[03:08:08] <omgs> twb: it doesn't matter, as long as it's a valid expression for the field[03:08:30] <twb> RootWyrm_: hang on, why won't it match domain.com.foo.bar ?[03:08:57] <RootWyrm_> I said you -don't- want it to match domain.com.foo.bar.[03:09:26] <Rene> twb: you'r right. Disablig that did not change anything.. now it works![03:09:29] <Rene> hurray![03:09:41] <RootWyrm_> Which is why I'm kinda iffy on PCRE vs. dbm or hash listing.[03:10:05] <twb> OK[03:11:18] * RootWyrm_ shrug. Really supposes it would depend on the scale. PCRE would be good for e.g. 'we have $domain.EVERY_SINGLE_GTLD_EVAR' whereas dbm/hash makes more sense for 'we have 10.'[03:11:43] <lunaphyte> eh, no, not really.[03:12:32] <lunaphyte> flat files or text hash are usable for 10. for hundreds/thousands, you want an indexed db like dbm, hash, lmdb, etc.[03:13:33] <lunaphyte> regexp or pcre are for things which require pattern matching or regular expression, not large datasets.[03:14:00] <RootWyrm_> Mhm. Arguably usable for more if you cook up some scripts.[03:14:09] <lunaphyte> and use check_client_access, not mynetworks.[03:14:17] <lunaphyte> cook up some scripts?[03:14:21] *** koobs` has joined #postfix[03:14:39] <lunaphyte> anything is arguably usable for more if you cook up some scripts.[03:14:48] *** koobs has quit IRC[03:15:28] *** twb has quit IRC[03:15:30] <RootWyrm_> Either way, as I said, depends on just how many gTLDs you're talking about.[03:16:14] <lunaphyte> the better question is why would you think you need to list such large numbers of domains in a transport map[03:17:24] *** twb has joined #postfix[03:18:30] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[03:21:14] <RootWyrm_> Well yeah, arguably should be virtual_ or such. But if you're going to the trouble of registering that many domains, you presumably want people to be able to reach you.[03:22:36] <lunaphyte> huh? the intended goal hasn't been stated. we have no idea what the asker is actually trying to do[03:25:50] *** fling has quit IRC[03:30:58] <RootWyrm_> Seemed clear enough to me, but eh. Easier than trying to figure out what opendkim is smoking either way, it seems.[03:30:58] *** fling has joined #postfix[03:34:47] *** monoglets has joined #postfix[03:36:20] <monoglets> hey postfix logs returns unused parameters for virtual_* what the new parameter so ?[03:36:53] <lunaphyte> huh?[03:37:07] <lunaphyte> !tell monoglets getting_help[03:37:07] <knoba> monoglets: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[03:37:21] <monoglets> for virtual_create_maildirsize virtual_mailbox_extended virtual_mailbox_limit_maps virtual_mailbox_limit_override[03:37:45] <monoglets> why unused parameters?[03:37:52] <lunaphyte> none of those are postfix settings.[03:37:54] *** Bronze has quit IRC[03:38:03] <lunaphyte> therefore they are of course not used.[03:38:07] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[03:38:18] <monoglets> but I used in a older version[03:38:23] <monoglets> and worked[03:38:31] <lunaphyte> there have never been any such settings, sorry.[03:38:53] <lunaphyte> perhaps you got your copy of postfix from someone who modified it?[03:39:11] <monoglets> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from localhost[::1]: 451 4.3.0 <me at telvio dot org>: Temporary lookup failure; from=<telvio at bsd dot com.br> to=<me at telvio dot org> proto=ESMTP helo=<www.telvio.org>[03:39:11] <monoglets> and for that?[03:40:02] <lunaphyte> yeah[03:40:04] <monoglets> I just readed lot of ways and got what I needed[03:40:32] <monoglets> whats this problem?[03:40:41] <monoglets> user not found?[03:40:47] <lunaphyte> something misconfigured probably[03:41:28] *** nutron has quit IRC[03:41:34] <lunaphyte> to get free help, please follow the instructions that have been shared with you[03:43:06] <monoglets> you never had this error?[03:43:45] <thumbs> !tell monoglets welcome[03:43:45] <knoba> monoglets: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![03:45:04] <lunaphyte> i'll be back once the instructions have been followed. no reason to hang around waiting in the meantime.[03:45:07] *** nutron has joined #postfix[03:45:56] *** nutron has quit IRC[03:47:12] *** nutron has joined #postfix[04:00:37] <monoglets> nice[04:00:43] <monoglets> just post my host here[04:01:22] <monoglets> and a lammer trying to connect[04:01:38] <monoglets> 211.160.19.250[04:01:51] <thumbs> monoglets: where's the info we asked for?[04:02:07] <monoglets> I asked for[04:02:09] <monoglets> :)[04:02:28] <thumbs> you ask for?[04:02:34] <monoglets> yes[04:02:46] <thumbs> monoglets: if you want help, provide what is requested.[04:02:52] <thumbs> !tell monoglets welcome[04:02:52] <knoba> monoglets: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![04:02:53] <monoglets> ok[04:02:58] *** vankooch_ has joined #postfix[04:03:10] <monoglets> dont understood[04:03:21] <monoglets> so, friend all I have is that error[04:03:23] <thumbs> monoglets: what part of it don't you grasp, exactly?[04:03:29] <thumbs> !tell monoglets welcome[04:03:29] <knoba> monoglets: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![04:03:29] <monoglets> Temporary lookup failure;[04:03:32] <monoglets> nothins more[04:03:48] *** vankooch has quit IRC[04:03:49] *** vankooch_ is now known as vankooch[04:04:27] <monoglets> its all I have thumbs[04:04:54] <thumbs> monoglets: it's not sufficient[04:05:00] <thumbs> !tell monoglets getting_help[04:05:01] <knoba> monoglets: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[04:05:34] <monoglets> hey stop[04:05:37] <monoglets> please[04:06:06] <thumbs> fine. Good luck.[04:06:23] <monoglets> could u tell me what more can I provide?[04:06:33] <thumbs> !tell monoglets getting_help[04:06:33] <knoba> monoglets: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[04:06:39] <monoglets> nice[04:06:43] <lunaphyte> that has already been done. twice[04:06:47] <lunaphyte> three times now[04:06:51] <thumbs> lunaphyte: 6.[04:06:58] <monoglets> ok[04:07:00] <monoglets> lets go[04:07:17] <lunaphyte> oh, wow. i lost count[04:07:25] <thumbs> maybe it was 8.[04:07:31] <monoglets> but I expect to have help[04:07:39] <thumbs> monoglets: great. Provide what we need.[04:07:45] <lunaphyte> it's easy to get free help. follow the instructions.[04:08:04] <lunaphyte> if you ignore the instructions, you'll probably be ignored though.[04:08:17] <thumbs> I'm getting tired of him already.[04:11:59] <monoglets> already got the error[04:12:30] <monoglets> thank you[04:12:44] <monoglets> just password error[04:12:50] <monoglets> for db[04:15:05] *** worstadmin has quit IRC[04:16:23] <monoglets> working fine now[04:26:45] *** worstadmin has joined #postfix[04:38:23] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[04:40:19] *** err-or_ has quit IRC[04:40:36] *** err-or has joined #postfix[04:44:16] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[04:44:17] *** koobs` has quit IRC[04:44:18] *** A21BC has quit IRC[04:44:23] *** bisoc has quit IRC[04:44:24] *** arnoldB has quit IRC[04:44:24] *** D-Boy has quit IRC[04:44:27] *** Pegasus_RPG has quit IRC[04:44:28] *** Dessa has quit IRC[04:44:29] *** leprechau has quit IRC[04:44:32] *** LoRez has quit IRC[04:44:32] *** redspike has 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<eagles0513875> hey all i have a multiple domain setup and I am getting relay access denied for some reason when trying to send to a particular domain on this server.[11:03:33] <eagles0513875> the postconf -n output is here http://pastebin.com/D0YHAY0A[11:03:38] *** zyklon has joined #postfix[11:04:33] <cheater__> i have a question related to email in general. i hope it's ok to ask here. If i'm using gmail, and i see the trail of "Received" and "X-Received" headers, can this be a good indication of where the email was sent from? can those headers be falsified? or will good email servers reject email that doesn't come from a place mentioned in the "Received" headers?[11:05:24] *** chris| has quit IRC[11:08:42] <trurl> cheater__: those headers can be falsified except the first one (that's your server, so that wouldn't make any sense). don't trust them.[11:09:09] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[11:09:32] <cheater__> trurl: OK. i wonder if gmail has any way of actually telling me two emails that i received on different dates came from the same source.[11:12:15] <trurl> i don't think so, the only thing gmail can be sure about is the ip address it received the mail from. that's all.[11:12:24] <eagles0513875> perfect[11:12:29] <eagles0513875> i am going to down grade my laptop[11:12:34] <eagles0513875> too[11:12:34] <eagles0513875> when i get home[11:12:37] <eagles0513875> to windows 7 lol[11:13:18] <eagles0513875> oops[11:13:20] <eagles0513875> wrong channel[11:15:25] <cheater__> trurl: and date?[11:16:34] <trurl> cheater__: yeah, okay, also the date ;) But only involving itself and the last hop before gmail.[11:20:50] <eagles0513875> any ideas with my issues?[11:24:45] <cheater__> trurl: well, that was an honest question, i was wondering if there's a way to make gmail think an email was sent at an earlier date than it was.[11:25:05] <cheater__> eagles0513875: not from me, sorry. hang out and someone might know.[11:26:47] <eagles0513875> thanks i will[11:29:04] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[11:29:48] <eagles0513875> cheater__: im just so close to getting this setup working its driving me nuts :([11:31:18] <trurl> eagles0513875: you should also pastebin a mail.log-excerpt[11:31:33] <eagles0513875> trurl: give me one moment and i will[11:32:45] <eagles0513875> trurl: here is an exerpt of the mail.log http://pastebin.com/fCRu4pbD[11:33:56] *** zyklon has quit IRC[11:33:56] <trurl> cheater__: The "Date:"-Header can be set to anything (false), the date and time in the first "Received:"-Header not[11:34:16] <trurl> well, google could, but why should they[11:35:10] *** zyklon has joined #postfix[11:37:19] *** tolkor has quit IRC[11:37:56] *** tolkor has joined #postfix[11:38:26] <trurl> eagles0513875: i'm not a regular or expert, but your postfix doesn't know that it should be (should it?) the final destination for mails to lin***es.com.[11:38:57] <eagles0513875> its using a virtual domain etc[11:39:09] <eagles0513875> seeing as its a multiple domain setup[11:39:45] <trurl> but thats nowhere in your first pastebin[11:40:00] *** tmberg has quit IRC[11:40:04] <eagles0513875> trurl: what do i need to tweak in the main.cf to get it to work with virtual domains[11:41:40] <trurl> gee, i don't think i should answer this, because a few days ago i was asking the same kind of questions. but the first thing you should sort out:[11:43:00] <cheater__> trurl: gotcha. thanks.[11:43:56] <trurl> where should those mails end up? In local user mailboxes? virtual users? are you using dovecot or something like this?[11:50:13] <eagles0513875> trurl: they should end up in virtual users mail boxes and yes i am using dovecot with postfix[11:51:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what is the actual error ?[11:51:45] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I thought we went through this the other day with your sasl stuff[11:52:14] <eagles0513875> i redid the server from scratch as i missed a step somewhere and now its working but now I have altered the setup from single domain to multiple domain setup with virtual directories and users[11:52:18] <eagles0513875> the error can be seen http://pastebin.com/fCRu4pbD[11:53:00] <ikonia> eagles0513875: so it's trying to relay instead of deliver[11:53:17] <ikonia> it thinks those mails need to go elsewhere[11:53:28] <eagles0513875> im not understanding[11:53:36] <eagles0513875> they need to be delivered to the virtual users virtual mail directory[11:53:43] <ikonia> do you understand what relaying is ?[11:54:14] <eagles0513875> sending it to another server no?[11:54:27] <ikonia> well, sort of[11:54:39] <eagles0513875> please enlighten me as now you have me curious[11:55:12] <ikonia> so yes, from your point of view at the mail server, your mail server is trying to relay that message, rather than say "that address is local to me, i'll deliver it"[11:55:48] <eagles0513875> ok. where would a good place be to start troubleshooting?[11:56:12] <ikonia> how your postfix setup determains if this is a local delivery or a relay to the next hop[11:56:37] <ikonia> that is the first place to look[11:56:47] <ikonia> why does it want to relay instead of being aware this is a local delivery[11:57:54] *** maxter has quit IRC[11:58:10] <trurl> eagles0513875: you need to tell your postfix it should relay mails for those domains you want to receive emails for to dovecot using "relay_domains", "relay_recipient_maps" and "relay_transport".[11:59:20] <eagles0513875> so virtual domains i would need to relay them even if they are on the local machine?[11:59:46] <trurl> eagles0513875: yes[11:59:57] <trurl> but thats not as complicated as it sounds[12:00:10] <eagles0513875> ok i will look those up :) thanks ill get back to you with any other questions[12:00:33] <trurl> i'm using it like this: "relay_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp"[12:00:48] <eagles0513875> trurl: and that is its own line in the main.cf[12:00:57] <ikonia> eagles0513875: don't just copy that line[12:01:04] <trurl> yes, but there's more to it[12:01:28] <trurl> you sould read about it and configure dovecot and postfix accordingly[12:02:12] <eagles0513875> ya im going to :)[12:02:39] *** maxter has joined #postfix[12:02:51] <trurl> using lmtp is just _one_ way to do it[12:03:16] *** maxter_ has joined #postfix[12:03:27] <ikonia> eagles0513875: would I be right in assuming this all changed as part of a postfixadmin setup, or a manual setup[12:04:21] <eagles0513875> actually yes. single domain was working fine[12:04:28] <ikonia> that's not what I asked[12:04:39] <ikonia> please try to answer the question I asked rather than some other random one[12:05:42] <eagles0513875> ikonia: yes postfix admin and a multiple domain mail setup is the reason im having issues again[12:05:56] <ikonia> so so it was a postfix admin setup - nothing manual[12:06:32] <ikonia> correct/false ?[12:06:38] <pj> eagles0513875: are you trying to use virtual domains, or just multiple local domains?[12:06:38] <eagles0513875> can you clarify what you mean by manual? All I did was tweak the configurations of dovecot and postfix[12:06:54] <eagles0513875> virtual domains and users I have all that already setup and configured dovcot postfix wise[12:06:57] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you're using postfixadmin and mysql to store your virtual domains ?[12:07:25] <pj> eagles0513875: the postconf -n you pasted has no virtual_* entries, so you really have nothing set up for virtual domains.[12:07:31] <pj> !tell eagles0513875 virtual[12:07:31] <knoba> eagles0513875: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[12:07:37] *** maxter has quit IRC[12:07:53] <pj> eagles0513875: read this and follow appropriate directions to configure postfix for virtual domains ^^^^^[12:08:22] <tuxick> but postfixadmin takes care of all that complicated stuff![12:08:33] <pj> tuxick: no, it doesn't[12:08:35] <pj> specifically you're missing....[12:08:37] <tuxick> :)[12:08:43] <pj> !virtual_mailbox_maps[12:08:43] <knoba> pj: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.[12:08:45] <eagles0513875> knoba: thanks[12:08:51] <pj> !virtual_mailbox_domains[12:08:51] <knoba> pj: "virtual_mailbox_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that are by default delivered via the $virtual_transport mail delivery transport. This list uses the same syntax as the mydestination configuration parameter.[12:08:55] <eagles0513875> i mean pj[12:09:00] <pj> eagles0513875: yw[12:09:07] <eagles0513875> was actually bout to go look up that stuff[12:09:11] <tuxick> it's what people installing it seem to think[12:09:32] <pj> right, postfixadmin will simply help you administer a virtual setup, it won't set it up for you.[12:09:38] <eagles0513875> exactly pj[12:09:58] <tuxick> some day i should polish up this postfix/ldap interface i'm using, and publish it[12:10:02] <trurl> eagles0513875: okay, you waked them up, i will shut up, but one last thing: using the _relay_ method and the virtual method are _not_ the same thing. don't mix them up. both will work.[12:10:03] <pj> all that postfixadmin does is make changes to database tables, and create a few directories, etc.[12:10:06] <ikonia> however the install steps state how you should set it up[12:10:10] <ikonia> which doesn't appear to be followed[12:10:26] <ikonia> and as the maps are stored in the database, the connection to the database seems key to setup and verify from postfix[12:19:13] *** jarif has quit IRC[12:29:38] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[12:31:01] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[12:44:10] *** gpd has quit IRC[12:56:39] *** jim87 has joined #postfix[13:01:21] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[13:01:38] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[13:27:36] *** omgs has quit IRC[13:33:12] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[13:50:11] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[13:51:46] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:59:23] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:10:38] *** cromag has joined #postfix[14:10:39] *** cromag has joined #postfix[14:21:28] *** afuentes has quit IRC[14:22:55] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[14:28:21] *** worstadmin has quit IRC[14:29:42] *** cali has quit IRC[14:34:51] *** afuentes has joined #postfix[14:39:18] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[14:41:16] *** worstadmin has joined #postfix[14:41:47] *** cali has joined #postfix[14:45:46] *** chris| has joined #postfix[14:47:45] *** maxter_ has quit IRC[14:47:55] *** maxter_ has joined #postfix[14:53:16] *** wdp has joined #postfix[14:53:26] *** wdp has joined #postfix[14:58:24] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[14:59:11] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[15:05:41] *** afuentes has quit IRC[15:18:48] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[15:23:16] *** Rez__ has joined #postfix[15:24:32] *** Rez__ is now known as LoRez[15:29:27] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[15:36:39] *** jarif has joined #postfix[15:39:12] *** ]Leeloo[ has joined #postfix[15:39:15] <]Leeloo[> HI[15:40:55] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:42:43] <]Leeloo[> I use [ postfix / courier / mysql (virtual_mailbox) /spamassasin+clamav (amavis-new) ]. I want to not only tag my spam/viruses emails, but put them into a spam/junlmail folder ? How can I achieve that ?[15:45:38] <jelly> ]Leeloo[: does courier's delivery agent have a sieve filter? If it does, it might be possible to set up global rules based on header contents (ie. if there's a "X-Spam-Status: yes" header, store mail to Junk folder)[15:46:16] *** maxter_ has quit IRC[15:46:32] *** maxter_ has joined #postfix[15:47:05] <jelly> this isn't more a MDA issue than postfix, I guess[15:47:09] <jelly> is*[15:49:36] <]Leeloo[> jelly: maildrop or ...?[15:50:03] <wdp> yup it is maildrop.[15:50:07] <jelly> I have no idea which one you use[15:50:17] <wdp> though maildrop is not sieve iirc.[15:50:31] <wdp> maildrop is like.. procmail.[15:53:24] *** bolt has quit IRC[15:53:38] <jelly> oh, well, procmail could be used as well. I just mentioned sieve as the sanest filtering option[15:54:09] * jelly won't mention he's still using procmail for own mail[15:56:23] *** freezey has joined #postfix[16:00:07] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:00:45] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:00:59] *** freezey has quit IRC[16:01:01] *** maxter_ has quit IRC[16:01:12] <]Leeloo[> jelly: I use "virtual Mailboxes" is that chnage something ?[16:02:46] *** deni has joined #postfix[16:03:13] <jelly> I just commented on the big picture, so the particulars of the implementation fall to your hands[16:05:47] *** vankooch has quit IRC[16:11:26] *** vankooch has joined #postfix[16:12:28] *** bolt has joined #postfix[16:14:55] <]Leeloo[> jelly: I find it hard to determine the app responsible for this .. :([16:15:34] *** freezey has joined #postfix[16:16:11] <jelly> uh. Your mail admin ought to know the details of how the components fit to each other[16:17:29] <]Leeloo[> jelly: I am, but use to used qmail :([16:17:32] <thumbs> (unless he IS the mail server admin)[16:17:34] <]Leeloo[> jelly: thanks ;)[16:17:43] <]Leeloo[> thumbs: ;)[16:18:06] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[16:18:15] *** maxter_ has joined #postfix[16:18:42] <deni> i'm having trouble undestanding something conceptually....in what case does a domain at domain dot com mail account screw things up in a way that mail intended for someone at domain dot com ends up being delivered to domain at domain dot com?[16:19:27] <deni> if it's possible to get into this without a postfix conf.....cause i really see no way this could happen, or why[16:19:39] <lunaphyte_> huh?[16:19:42] <rob0> maybe lots of cases, this sounds like a question for:[16:19:47] <lunaphyte_> gee, only about a million possibilities.[16:19:50] <rob0> !tell deni getting_help[16:19:50] <knoba> deni: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[16:20:24] <lunaphyte_> we don't do "why something might happen". we do "why something is happening"[16:20:37] <rob0> also:[16:20:40] <rob0> !example[16:20:40] <knoba> rob0: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.[16:21:47] <rob0> And "mail account" is not a concept with which Postfix deals. A MTA deals with "addresses".[16:22:52] <jelly> a MDA, including postfix' own local(8), may deal with accounts tho[16:24:41] <rob0> well, yeah, this could have happened in the MDA also. We don't know.[16:25:06] <lunaphyte_> that's why "get into this without a postfix conf" is silly[16:25:32] <rob0> I can say this: by default there's no address redirection going on. This is because of something the admin did.[16:25:39] <deni> rob0: lunaphyte_ ok tnx. i'll try and get the confs and logs and get back to you later as i'm on a shaky wifi right now...[16:26:04] <deni> rob0: lunaphyte_ i thinks this i the MDA's issue.... i'm using dovecot...[16:26:14] <lunaphyte_> and i fail to understand how someone's inability to understand why something was happening would result in the conclusion that sharing actual data would not be neccessary.[16:26:24] <lunaphyte_> that's exactly backwards[16:26:27] <deni> now that i think about it....still can't reason about why this wold happen....[16:27:12] <lunaphyte_> uh..[16:27:15] <rob0> I'm sure we can figure it out given enough evidence.[16:27:25] <deni> lunaphyte_: yeah yeah....no need to get all mean at me. i was just hoping for a quick brainstorm[16:27:27] <deni> :)[16:27:29] <lunaphyte_> if you could, you probably would not be here asking for help figuring out what is going on, wouldn't you say?[16:27:37] <lunaphyte_> huh?[16:27:39] <deni> lunaphyte_: thank you for your help though....will get back later with the data[16:27:46] <lunaphyte_> why are you calling people mean? that's not nice.[16:28:13] <deni> lunaphyte_: :P[16:31:48] *** freezey has quit IRC[16:33:22] <survietamine> deni: but if your problem is with dovecot, maybe you won't come back here :)[16:33:35] <deni> survietamine: true that :)[16:34:13] *** freezey_ has joined #postfix[16:34:18] <deni> it's not and immediate issue as that account has been removed and everything is back to normal....but i'm curious...as something is obviously wrong here...[16:35:48] *** freezey_ has quit IRC[16:36:11] *** freezey has joined #postfix[16:37:07] <survietamine> deni: hmmm, so you deleted this account and now get "rcpt not found" ?[16:37:59] *** tmberg has joined #postfix[16:37:59] <deni> survietamine: that account should not have been created to begin with...it's a political issue in the organization...don't wan't to bore you....[16:40:13] <deni> the main thing is that something now get's delivered to info at example dot tld insted of to example at example dot tld[16:40:40] *** bolt has quit IRC[16:40:43] <deni> meh...it's mess....and not really my problem...i'm just anoyed by the ppl that should handle this but fail to[16:47:47] <]Leeloo[> thanks for help, bye[16:47:51] *** ]Leeloo[ has quit IRC[16:54:46] *** sweb has joined #postfix[16:55:38] *** sweb has left #postfix[16:57:59] *** tjikkun_work has quit IRC[17:01:38] *** bolt has joined #postfix[17:28:05] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[17:33:47] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[17:49:37] *** hallamigo has joined #postfix[17:52:10] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[17:57:55] *** zerick has joined #postfix[18:04:11] *** maxter__ has joined #postfix[18:05:34] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[18:05:57] *** maxter_ has quit IRC[18:07:26] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[18:10:53] *** maxter__ has quit IRC[18:12:02] *** maxter__ has joined #postfix[18:20:07] *** freezey has quit IRC[18:21:43] *** bolt has quit IRC[18:22:05] *** bolt has joined #postfix[18:30:28] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[18:31:01] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[18:34:26] *** wdp has quit IRC[18:43:30] *** Uranio has joined #postfix[18:46:44] *** jimpop has joined #postfix[18:47:05] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[18:49:21] *** ffiore has quit IRC[19:01:59] *** vankooch has quit IRC[19:17:51] *** freezey has joined #postfix[19:22:50] *** err-or has joined #postfix[19:24:24] <trurl> Is that something i should look after? "NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[115.241.133.96]: 450 4.1.8 <no-reply at beninmarket dot com>: Sender address rejected: Malformed DNS server reply; "[19:24:39] <trurl> i can dig -t A ist just fine...[19:24:53] <trurl> s/ist/it/[19:26:06] *** worstadmin has quit IRC[19:37:14] *** worstadmin has joined #postfix[19:40:22] *** Uranio has quit IRC[19:41:49] *** jarif has quit IRC[19:42:50] *** vankooch has joined #postfix[19:49:56] *** fudoreaper has joined #postfix[19:59:37] *** jim87 has quit IRC[20:02:02] <Zerberus> trurl: the MX setting is invalid[20:02:28] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[20:05:26] *** maxter__ has quit IRC[20:05:34] *** maxter has joined #postfix[20:09:19] *** vankooch has quit IRC[20:13:29] *** vankooch has joined #postfix[20:14:31] *** vankooch has joined #postfix[20:21:59] *** freezey has quit IRC[20:26:02] *** whoami has quit IRC[20:33:04] *** whoami has joined #postfix[20:59:57] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[21:08:39] *** jarif has joined #postfix[21:08:49] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[21:10:40] *** Pegasus_RPG has quit IRC[21:15:57] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[21:19:02] *** davlefou has quit IRC[21:24:31] *** sharky_ has quit IRC[21:41:01] *** hparker has quit IRC[21:44:27] *** cheater_1 has joined #postfix[21:46:06] *** cheater__ has quit IRC[21:58:54] *** Section1 has quit IRC[21:59:32] *** warhead has joined #postfix[22:01:50] *** hparker has joined #postfix[22:04:48] <warhead> Hi[22:04:59] <warhead> Hello to all, I have set message_size_limit = 20971520 and that work prefect, max message size is 20Mb, but I have strange request by my supervisor, he wont avoid limit for ppl witch work in managment. Any idea how to resolv this situation?[22:07:29] *** jwing has quit IRC[22:11:53] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[22:16:22] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[22:17:44] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[22:19:47] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[22:22:58] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[22:23:52] *** todd_dsm has joined #postfix[22:32:49] <jelly-home> warhead: give them a different postfix machine or instance?[22:34:18] <jelly-home> and the impossible task: teach them that won't help when a 100MB attachment can't get sent to gmail[22:36:36] <Aprogas> Offer an alternative. Find out who they are sending these files too. Perhaps a network drive, instant messaging program with file transfer, or some web-based file-storage will fill their use-case.[22:47:44] *** zerick has quit IRC[22:54:43] <warhead> jelly-home: Hi, I understand that for limitations on gmail,hotmail,etc, but manage wont to send big mail to other manage (main company have limit on 80Mb).[22:55:14] <lunaphyte_> indeed. solve the actual problem.[22:55:28] <lunaphyte_> people will always "need" to send larger attachments.[22:56:07] <lunaphyte_> not to mention the fact that special treatment for "management" is of course foolish. shame on your boss for suggesting such a thing.[22:56:14] <rob0> Email is a poor substitute for company-internal file sharing.[22:56:26] * jelly-home sends a funny cat video to all@warheads-employer.invalid[22:57:04] <rob0> Managers who don't understand email very well depend on mail admins to offer them better alternatives.[22:58:35] <warhead> lunaphyte: true :-)[22:59:05] <Aprogas> Sell them on making a "33% data efficiency increase"[22:59:42] <Aprogas> I think "efficiency increase" is one of those magical words by which you can make management agree to things[23:01:33] <warhead> I can run two postfix on same server? 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