October 9, 2013 
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October 9, 2013 [00:14:36] *** freezey has quit IRC[00:15:05] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[00:17:58] *** smue has quit IRC[00:18:32] *** smue has joined #postfix[00:20:12] *** prooz has quit IRC[00:36:15] *** colt has joined #postfix[00:38:25] *** colt has quit IRC[00:42:53] *** RootWyrm_ has joined #postfix[00:43:05] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[00:43:12] <RootWyrm_> Any opendkim gurus about perchance?[00:45:52] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[00:51:17] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[00:52:36] *** Borg- has left #postfix[00:52:53] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[00:54:11] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[00:55:34] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[00:56:27] *** gu1lle_1 has quit IRC[00:57:16] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[01:01:26] *** Southron has joined #postfix[01:02:45] <lunaphyte> people here who want to talk about opendkim will also be in #opendkim[01:04:31] *** nutron has joined #postfix[01:05:22] *** nutron has quit IRC[01:05:35] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[01:05:52] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[01:06:10] *** nutron has joined #postfix[01:06:31] <Azelphur> hi folks, trying to get virtual mailboxes to work. Been following the linode guide as best I can, however when I send mail to the mail server, it fails. Here's the log, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wT4THJGq[01:06:46] <Azelphur> The setup I'm working with is a fairly common dovecot, postfix and roundcube one[01:06:52] <lunaphyte> huh?[01:07:07] <lunaphyte> i don't know what "the linode guide" is, but linode is not the author of postfix.[01:07:27] <Azelphur> lunaphyte: apologies, linode has fairly extensive documentation https://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze[01:07:33] <lunaphyte> use the documentation the author provides with the software please. random guides are not supported[01:07:52] <lunaphyte> documenting postfix is not within linode's purview.[01:07:58] <Azelphur> lunaphyte: Is there any documentation for mysql and dovecot setup?[01:08:08] <lunaphyte> all of that software comes with documentation[01:08:09] <thumbs> and as we've recently found out, that "guide" has several mistakes[01:08:14] <rob0> You're using a pipe(8) to a command which fails. Postfix is fine. Dovecot LDA is not.[01:08:44] <Azelphur> rob0: I see, so it's a problem on dovecots side? I'll go hit up the dovecot folks and see if I can get anywhere, thanks :)[01:08:49] <rob0> Why virtual? This would be far simpler with local.[01:09:06] <Azelphur> rob0: I need to have users with mailboxes who don't have ssh accounts[01:09:12] <rob0> so?[01:09:25] <lunaphyte> why virtual? why mysql? why probably a number of other dumb things that guide suggests doing, i imagine.[01:09:30] <Azelphur> I thought I needed virtual for this, perhaps I'm wrong, my mailserver knowledge is near 0.[01:09:43] <lunaphyte> which is exactly why you should not be following guides.[01:09:47] <rob0> There are a gazillion ways to disable SSH login for system users.[01:09:50] <lunaphyte> guides are not for beginners.[01:10:06] <Azelphur> rob0: ah, I'm aware of that. I guess you could do it like that.[01:10:48] <Azelphur> rob0: I'm not a fan of having system accounts with disabled shell access for that though, it feels bad for some reason xD[01:21:36] <jimpop> Azelphur: man sshd look for AllowUsers[01:23:26] <Azelphur> jimpop: think you might have pointed me at the wrong manpage (there's not much mention of allowusers) but, I'm aware of that stuff, I've set up SFTP only accounts before, which is no doubt similar.[01:25:08] <rob0> sshd_config(5)[01:26:01] <rob0> You can also simply set a non-shell as shell, such as /bin/false or whatever you like.[01:26:57] <Azelphur> yea, that's what I did :)[01:27:18] <Azelphur> I prefer virtual though, there's been requests for a web panel to add/remove users, and the such like.[01:27:49] <rob0> I prefer local. I am a Unix user. Mail in Unix is very versatile.[01:28:11] <Azelphur> suppose so :)[01:29:57] <Azelphur> coming round to your way of thinking, it'd certainly be easier, I actually had that working before, it's pretty much just a case of rolling back to the defaults[01:30:33] <rob0> who will you have adding and removing users?[01:31:24] <rob0> It's not pretty, but there is Webmin.[01:31:33] <thumbs> ugh[01:31:46] <rob0> (Keep access to that pile of excrement tightly controlled.)[01:31:52] <Azelphur> me pretty much, and yea, I was actually thinking the same thing, but I'd probably just grumble and say "no web panel for you" :P[01:32:23] <Azelphur> (I'm aware of the badness that is webmin :P)[01:32:31] <rob0> well, in a lot of cases it's reasonable to delegate user management to non-techie people[01:32:40] *** twb has joined #postfix[01:32:42] <lunaphyte> not sure how people get the weird impression that the list of users in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow is somehow magically different than the list of users in some rdbms somewhere.[01:33:10] <thumbs> lunaphyte: it pollutes the system! :)[01:34:41] *** cromag has quit IRC[01:34:44] *** airdisa has joined #postfix[01:35:33] <Azelphur> in my case it comes from other software, most stuff (eg forums) uses a database, I was expecting a similar setup[01:35:37] <Azelphur> but of course, mail is not a forum ;)[01:35:40] *** freezey has joined #postfix[01:38:53] *** cromag has joined #postfix[01:40:14] *** RootWyrm_ has quit IRC[01:45:06] <lunaphyte> law of the instrument and all that.[01:45:22] *** RootWyrm_ has joined #postfix[01:46:00] <twb> Well, not needing a separate daemon for the pam/nss "files" databases is slightly nice.[01:47:00] *** airdisa has left #postfix[01:50:28] <lunaphyte> the distinction between a "forum" or such and things like email, shell, so on, is the ability for an unknown person to arbitrarily create an account for themself vs having to ask for an account.[01:51:02] <lunaphyte> certainly systems like the former should never share the same data source as the latter.[01:52:11] <lunaphyte> however, beyond that, it's not really logical [especially in smaller mundane environments] to be managing two different databases of users, and then modifying them based on an arbitrary set of criteria [e.g. "shell access"][02:07:04] *** dylukes has quit IRC[02:10:02] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[02:12:02] * adaptr randomly favours moderation[02:23:20] <rob0> all things in moderation[02:24:15] <adaptr> well, smart moderation requires less admin time than pre-registration[02:24:25] <adaptr> and it allows anybody to try to sign up[02:25:07] *** freezey has quit IRC[02:26:37] <twb> "forum" = for people too stupid to configure a newsreader[02:27:35] <adaptr> I disagree.[02:28:07] <adaptr> but I do that a lot, so it's probably safe to ignore that[02:28:52] * thumbs ignores adaptr[02:29:05] <adaptr> not me. you ignore me at your own peril.[02:31:10] <twb> Well mainly I'm just being a "let's reinvent everything inside the browser" hater.[02:31:20] <twb> So: carry on.[02:32:19] * adaptr smites twb with the unholy cluebat of topicness[02:32:46] *** sniffells has quit IRC[02:37:35] *** mf2hd has quit IRC[02:40:48] *** dylukes has quit IRC[02:41:12] *** mf2hd has joined #postfix[02:43:42] <thumbs> Rob McGee spammed me :([02:45:16] <adaptr> who ? who'zat ? the noiv![02:45:18] *** freezey has joined #postfix[02:50:20] *** jelly has quit IRC[02:52:50] *** staticsafe has joined #postfix[03:08:53] *** hallamigo has quit IRC[03:15:11] *** cillybabe has joined #postfix[03:15:30] *** cillybabe is now known as cilly[03:18:03] *** cilly has left #postfix[03:22:11] *** zz_Ulver has joined #postfix[03:23:16] *** zz_Ulver has quit IRC[03:24:00] *** zz_Ulver has joined #postfix[03:30:25] *** worstadmin has quit IRC[03:31:23] *** worstadmin has joined #postfix[03:37:01] *** nooblag has joined #postfix[03:39:56] <nooblag> hello?[03:40:45] <thumbs> all hail nooblag[03:41:49] <nooblag> hey there. i'm new to postfix, and i need some help setting it up... is this the right place to ask noob questions?[03:42:01] <freezey> actually its the worst place[03:42:12] <freezey> and i say that with confidence[03:42:25] <freezey> enable openrelay and just paste the IP[03:42:47] <nooblag> haha[03:43:12] <thumbs> huh[03:44:41] <nooblag> ok well, my problem is that i have postfix installed and running on a VPS but I dont want to use the VPS to accept any local mail at all---i want to send all the mail to an external server where all the email accounts are handled, for the same domain[03:46:11] <nooblag> how to do that? with main.cf?[03:47:03] <nooblag> i've had a look at this, http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#forwarding but don't really get it[03:47:46] <nooblag> but it sounds kinda like what i'm after: "Some providers host domains that have no local mailboxes. The main purpose of these domains is to forward mail elsewhere."[03:49:22] <freezey> why not just use gmail its free and easy to setup[03:49:23] <freezey> heh[03:50:06] <thumbs> freezey: google doesn't offer free hosting any more.[03:50:41] <nooblag> nahnah dont wanna use google stuff and be subject to the 'all seeing eye.' thats the whole point of running my own server ;)[03:51:33] *** zz_Ulver has quit IRC[03:52:16] <nooblag> ok, so, in main.cf -- do i do away with the 'mydestination' string (i.e. leave it blank), and set up the 'virtual_alias_domains' strings and create the 'virtual_alias_maps' file?[03:52:48] <nooblag> i dont really get how the virtual_alias_maps file will help things tho[03:52:51] <nooblag> cos it will look like this:[03:53:02] <nooblag> user at thisisthedomain dot com user at thisisthedomain dot com[03:55:00] <pj> !tell nooblag nullclient[03:55:00] <knoba> nooblag: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[03:55:32] <nooblag> righto[03:55:41] *** RootWyrm_ has quit IRC[03:55:41] <nooblag> !nullclient_software[03:55:42] <knoba> nooblag: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[03:55:54] <pj> nooblag: you can use postfix, but as the factoid says it's overkill[03:56:16] <nooblag> righto. i get it.[03:56:24] <nooblag> so what to use instead? sendmail?[03:56:38] <thumbs> no, a nullclient.[03:56:49] <rob0> "examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer."[03:57:02] <thumbs> I suppose you can configure sendmail to also be a nullclient, but that's also overkill[03:57:14] <nooblag> !msa[03:57:15] <knoba> nooblag: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.[03:58:03] <nooblag> hmmmm. i dont understand. it's overkill how? like, getting postfix to operate as nullclient is hard to setup?[03:58:18] <nooblag> !msmtp[03:58:19] <knoba> nooblag: "msmtp" : a nullclient program which provides a means for a computer to submit mail to an existing msa. see http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/ for more info. also see !nullclient_software, !nullclient and !msa[03:58:32] <freezey> ahh really didnt realize[03:58:33] <freezey> gay[03:59:04] <nooblag> !nullmailer[03:59:04] <knoba> nooblag: "nullmailer" : a nullclient program which provides a means for a computer to submit mail to an existing msa. see http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ for more info. also see !nullclient_software, !nullclient and !msa[04:00:13] <nooblag> ahhh right[04:00:21] <nooblag> woops -- sorry. now understand.[04:00:32] <nooblag> those programs are better suited to the task. nullclient.[04:00:39] <nooblag> dont mind me. just noob lag[04:00:49] <nooblag> thanks for your help[04:00:57] <rob0> Postfix has a lot of moving parts and presents more chances for disaster. msmtp OTOH is something that you use per user, just like setting up a MUA.[04:01:24] <nooblag> yeah msmtp looks good according to their website[04:01:39] <nooblag> just shoot everything off to existing SMTP[04:01:43] <rob0> it's the favorite of some here[04:02:03] <nooblag> :)[04:02:41] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[04:03:25] *** Bronze has quit IRC[04:03:46] <twb> Wanna see a fun thing with msmtp?[04:03:47] <nooblag> ok great, i'll check those out and try again[04:03:52] <nooblag> thanks all[04:04:19] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/53914/[04:08:21] *** nooblag has quit IRC[04:13:03] *** nooblag has joined #postfix[04:13:32] *** nooblag has quit IRC[04:16:48] <lunaphyte_> well, direct to mx is discouraged for a reason[04:20:15] <twb> I was surprised but apparently they allow that, unauth'd, from whitelisted IP ranges to your own domain[04:20:25] <twb> Basically so that things like printers can actually send mail[04:20:50] <twb> (Without having to have a smarthost onsite, which would defeat some of the purpose of The CLoudTM)[04:25:03] *** h3m5k has quit IRC[04:25:35] *** h3m5k has joined #postfix[04:38:31] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[04:43:20] *** hesco has joined #postfix[04:46:06] *** UQlev has quit IRC[04:56:54] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[04:57:47] *** colt has joined #postfix[04:58:28] *** colt has quit IRC[05:10:50] *** waldi has quit IRC[05:12:00] *** waldi has joined #postfix[05:12:02] *** waldi has joined #postfix[05:13:09] *** occup4nt has joined #postfix[05:13:47] *** internat has joined #postfix[05:15:47] *** geo27 has joined #postfix[05:17:36] *** rob0_ has joined #postfix[05:17:38] *** rob0_ has joined #postfix[05:17:38] *** fling_ has joined #postfix[05:18:09] *** stram_ has joined #postfix[05:18:13] *** PaulePan1er has joined #postfix[05:21:23] 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<omgs> I'm taking a look at the transport man page, and I wonder how to use a regexp in the domain part[09:33:25] <omgs> So, if it's possible to specifiy "domain.*", or the whole address is needed[09:34:54] *** prooz has joined #postfix[09:38:25] *** prooz has quit IRC[09:51:40] *** jeev has quit IRC[09:56:30] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[09:58:10] *** bungalo has joined #postfix[10:11:07] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[10:12:48] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[10:13:40] *** robjh has quit IRC[10:16:13] *** robjh has joined #postfix[10:17:09] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[10:23:51] <trurl> is anyone using awstats to analyze postfix mail.logs? I'm not getting any info on the _local_ addresses involved, despite everything else looking okay (example maillogconvert.pl output: 2013-10-09 10:02:24 remote at void dot void local at example dot com 256.256.11.23 mail.example.com SMTP - 1 1312)[10:25:10] *** mbc has joined #postfix[10:35:09] *** ffiore has quit IRC[10:40:18] *** jelly has joined #postfix[10:47:52] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[10:51:17] *** davlefou has quit IRC[10:51:47] *** phantomcircuit_ is now known as phantomcircuit[10:55:01] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[10:57:23] *** smue has quit IRC[10:58:08] *** smue has joined #postfix[10:58:49] *** smue has joined #postfix[10:59:51] *** jarif has quit IRC[11:01:22] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[11:01:42] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[11:03:02] *** CommaCrazy has joined #postfix[11:05:20] *** smue has quit IRC[11:05:51] *** smue has joined #postfix[11:07:02] *** pj-phone has joined #postfix[11:08:39] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[11:11:07] *** smue has quit IRC[11:11:38] *** smue has joined #postfix[11:19:51] *** McLinks has joined #postfix[11:19:54] *** pj-phone has quit IRC[11:21:09] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[11:24:15] *** smue has quit IRC[11:26:40] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[11:27:48] *** BAOT has joined #postfix[11:28:52] *** yezariaely has joined #postfix[11:28:58] *** smue has joined #postfix[11:29:04] *** McLinks has quit IRC[11:32:22] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[11:42:40] *** maxter_ has quit IRC[11:43:44] *** D-Boy has quit IRC[11:44:04] *** higuita has joined #postfix[11:44:57] *** maxter has joined #postfix[11:48:15] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[11:50:24] *** smue has quit IRC[11:50:56] *** smue has joined #postfix[11:51:23] *** davlefou has quit IRC[11:54:41] *** prooz has joined #postfix[11:55:28] *** alexbst has quit IRC[11:59:58] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[12:00:07] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[12:08:38] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[12:09:19] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[12:09:35] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:16:40] *** prooz has quit IRC[12:21:22] <BAOT> !debug[12:21:22] <knoba> BAOT: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post information including NON-verbose logs in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[12:29:34] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[12:30:13] *** alexbst has joined #postfix[12:48:51] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[12:52:16] *** davlefou has quit IRC[12:58:51] *** ccha2 has joined #postfix[12:59:51] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[13:00:27] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[13:15:46] *** prooz has joined #postfix[13:22:27] *** mibofra has quit IRC[13:22:43] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[13:23:13] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[13:24:28] *** monoglets has quit IRC[13:25:25] *** monoglets has joined #postfix[13:38:36] *** _H33HaW has quit IRC[13:39:09] *** _H33HaW has joined #postfix[13:43:08] *** LLckfan has joined #postfix[13:43:13] <LLckfan> Does any1 know how to get a stale house smell out of a clean house without opening windows as fresh air is of no help?[13:43:58] <jelly> where's that banhammer[13:45:07] <Patrickdk> lots and lots of sex[13:46:21] <tuxick> that clown's been spamming a lot of channels with this by now[13:49:34] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[13:49:36] <blueskin> that's the most random spam I've seen in a while[13:52:03] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[13:52:37] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[13:54:57] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[13:55:47] *** internat has quit IRC[14:00:59] * thumbs recommends a permanent +q on him[14:03:36] *** LLckfan has left #postfix[14:04:42] <jelly> thumbs up[14:05:45] <thumbs> wouldn't be the first channel he's permanently banned from[14:06:06] <thumbs> he's probably quieted in over 40% of the larger channels now[14:08:15] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[14:21:30] *** yezariaely has quit IRC[14:23:57] <patdk-wk> heh, discussions elsewhere on irc, claim we are offically worse than #php now[14:24:56] <trurl> "ALL THESE LANGUAGES ARE YOURS EXCEPT PHP ATTEMPT NO PROGRAMMING THERE" (@LOUDBOT)[14:26:08] <thumbs> patdk-wk: where?[14:26:18] <patdk-wk> I do not know[14:26:25] <patdk-wk> guess someone was here yesterday[14:26:35] <patdk-wk> and felt insecure[14:26:52] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[14:26:59] *** davlefouAMD has joined #postfix[14:27:02] <thumbs> well, ##php is a terrible channel if you actually need accurate responses.[14:27:22] <thumbs> at least here we give good answers, but we still ask for smart questions.[14:28:00] <wdp> thumbs: i guess thats because _everyone_ can do php. not everyone can do postfix.[14:28:03] <trurl> thumbs: yes, but you guys tend to be somewhat snarky.[14:28:09] <trurl> see?[14:28:13] <wdp> thumbs: not talking about quality of course.[14:28:57] <patdk-wk> who is snarky?[14:29:07] <patdk-wk> it's the bots way, or no way[14:29:33] <thumbs> if we had to guess what each issue is without postconf -n every time, we'd never get anything done[14:29:43] <thumbs> or without relevant logs.[14:30:06] <pj> getting relevant logs is like pulling teeth sometimes.[14:30:10] <trurl> i don't say it's not working, im just stating it...[14:30:19] <pj> and note that people don't like visiting the dentist either.[14:30:38] <patdk-wk> pj, not sure, she is pretty damned cute :)[14:30:43] <pj> lol[14:31:08] <patdk-wk> rests her upper chest on your head while she works[14:32:01] <pj> hahaha[14:32:38] <pj> also a lot of people think we should hold their hand and teach them unix basics.[14:32:51] <thumbs> that's a problem in many channels[14:33:51] <Zelest> just chmod everything to 777..[14:33:55] <pj> it is especially in here because running an email server is a much more advanced task than most other server tasks.[14:34:00] <Zelest> that solves all problems :D[14:34:15] <thumbs> Zelest: sometimes, 777 will prevent some deamons from running[14:34:21] <Zelest> doh![14:34:40] <Zelest> yeah, now when you mention it, doesn't sshd ignore to readable key-files?[14:34:45] <Zelest> too*[14:35:06] <thumbs> Zelest: it does, if you chmod 755 ~/.ssh, they won't be read.[14:35:15] <Zelest> ah true[14:35:16] <thumbs> (ran into this yesterday)[14:35:19] <Zelest> hehe[14:35:46] <Zelest> try being in one of the channels of those cheap VPS providers..[14:35:55] <Zelest> it seems like a general support-for-everything channel :/[14:35:57] <thumbs> I try not to.[14:36:09] <thumbs> and I avoid ##linux and #ubuntu for that reason too[14:36:09] <Zelest> and not a single soul seems to know anything about linux.[14:36:18] <Zelest> hehe[14:37:01] * patdk-wk will stick to #illumos[14:37:19] <Zelest> Also, the 777 "solution" seems to be very actively used.. sadly. :/[14:38:25] <pj> yeah, and the number of times that people completely butcher their fs permissions when they do that...[14:38:26] <Zelest> Speaking of that, I have issues with opendkim and postfix.. :S I want to use UNIX sockets rather than TCP, but then I get tons of permission issues and havn't got the time nor energy to solve that yet.[14:39:10] <pj> Zelest: set the socket to 777 :-P[14:39:10] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[14:39:15] <Zelest> Haha[14:39:20] <pj> j/k don't do that[14:39:27] <Zelest> That's why I want to get rid of TCP ;)[14:39:40] <Zelest> Seeing the TCP is "777" from 127.0.0.1, and I got shell users on that machine. :)[14:40:41] <patdk-wk> firewall 127.0.0.1 to only allow connections from port <1024[14:40:54] <Zelest> oh[14:41:01] <Zelest> interesting approach :o[14:41:19] <patdk-wk> now to modify everything to select a source port :)[14:41:30] <Zelest> well, sysctl can do that for me ;)[14:41:31] *** morse has quit IRC[14:42:42] <Zelest> oh wait.. nevermind[14:42:52] <Zelest> I rather go with my UNIX sockets idea instead :)[14:42:55] <Zelest> whenever I got time for that[14:43:07] <Zelest> get*[14:43:08] <pj> Zelest: on mine the unix socket is simply set to 775, but you can probably find a better way.[14:43:56] <Zelest> only got one shell user so far and I would even trust him to be root on that machine if that was the case..[14:44:04] <Zelest> so not too stressed out over this yet :)[14:46:48] *** Dasoren has joined 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client to debug_peer_list doesn't seem to provide enough information[18:42:27] <loompek> TCP establishes, STARTTLS is sent, keys are exchanged, but afterwards, session is closed[18:45:40] *** Hydrazine has quit IRC[18:50:02] *** davlefouAMD has quit IRC[18:51:55] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[18:55:00] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[18:56:46] *** wdp has quit IRC[19:08:06] *** freezey has joined #postfix[19:10:56] *** fajrboy has quit IRC[19:12:02] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[19:18:00] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[19:20:46] *** maxter has quit IRC[19:20:54] *** freezey has quit IRC[19:21:02] <loompek> fooooooo... figured out, why... fsckin windows and it's certificates... apparently godaddy's g2 CA wasn't imported in aspnet's account as trusted ca...[19:22:55] *** freezey has joined #postfix[19:27:25] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[19:31:26] *** cali has quit IRC[19:34:13] <Azelphur> In order to get most mail servers to not hate me, do I need DKIM?[19:35:14] <lunaphyte_> it's simply one of a number of things that may help.[19:35:23] <lunaphyte_> searching for a singular answer is not wise.[19:35:51] <Azelphur> well, I'm more aiming at "sane defaults" for now, I'm sure I'll learn more about it as problems arise and I go hunting for solutions[19:36:10] <Azelphur> (P.S. I got everything nicely up and running without virtual, \o/)[19:38:39] *** cali has joined #postfix[19:46:46] <ggherdov> Hello. I'd like to setup a "blackhole SMTP server", i.e. I am testing a web application on my server and I want it to believe it is sending emails successfully while it isn't. I have heard I can do that with postfix. Any link to an howto?[19:47:17] <rob0_> !blackhole[19:47:17] <knoba> rob0_: "blackhole" : http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2010-04/0168.html[19:48:54] <ggherdov> cool! thanks rob0_ . Can you give a little spoiler and tell me in advance if that needs a MX record set up? I secretly hope it does not.[19:49:17] <tuxick> why not simply test? you know the addresses it sends to?[19:51:05] <ggherdov> tuxick: I am not sure I follow. I don't want to setup a mailserver for my app at the moment. And I don't want its log to be full of error regarding email sending. I'd like something similar to "pipe data to /dev/null" so to speak.[19:51:35] <rob0_> huh? You don't seem to understand what you want ...[19:51:50] <ggherdov> rob0_: you're probably right.[19:52:09] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[19:52:14] *** wdp has joined #postfix[19:52:19] <ggherdov> rob0_: I don't know much of SMTP. Can you elaborate on the inconsistencies of what I say?[19:53:59] <tuxick> testing if it sends takes just 1 mail anywhere[19:55:02] <rob0_> MX records are for mail routing. If you're not planning to route mail anywhere, why would you need MX records?[19:55:17] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[19:57:35] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[19:57:54] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[19:58:28] <ggherdov> rob0_: ok. tuxick: yeah probably I am confused bcse I don't know how email works. I assumed that in order to send, you need to have a SMTP server "on your side of the wire". But actually now I recall I used to send emails w/ the cli program "mailx", w/o any smtp server.[20:00:57] <tuxick> at least make sure you handle the bounces/rejects[20:01:33] <ggherdov> ok[20:02:10] <patdk-wk> we need to make an android game for sending/receiving email[20:08:01] *** fajrboy has joined #postfix[20:09:31] *** Hexagenic has quit IRC[20:10:15] *** Dasoren_ has joined #postfix[20:12:21] *** Pegasus_RPG has joined #postfix[20:13:56] *** Dasoren has quit IRC[20:14:27] *** Dasoren_ has left #postfix[20:14:59] *** Dasoren has joined #postfix[20:28:22] *** freezey has quit IRC[20:39:30] *** fajrboy has quit IRC[20:44:46] *** Hydrazine has joined #postfix[20:47:11] *** loompek has quit IRC[20:50:42] *** freezey has joined #postfix[20:52:43] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[20:52:53] *** DigitalKiwi has quit IRC[20:55:26] *** davlefou has quit IRC[20:56:29] *** omgs has quit IRC[21:01:30] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[21:13:58] *** warhead has joined #postfix[21:14:38] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[21:19:16] <warhead> hello to all[21:20:32] <warhead> for now I using tail -f /var/log/mail.log, and if any mail user ask me "mail mail is send, or not?", using grep tool. Any better way for search data?[21:21:28] <lunaphyte_> that's what i generally do[21:23:15] <warhead> have cc 800-900 mail users, and atm is imposoble to monitoring in realtime :-) screen going too fast[21:23:27] <warhead> for now only grep help :-)[21:28:12] *** vankooch has joined #postfix[21:31:40] <vankooch> Hi, I'm running postfix in a freebsd jail. I've copied the files listed in the examples to /var/spool/postfix/etc but I still get error with fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp, any idea how to fix?[21:31:43] <adaptr> warhead: the question is why are they asking you[21:31:56] <adaptr> vankooch: you don't have /etc/services, obviously[21:32:08] <vankooch> I have[21:32:36] <adaptr> what does getent smtp /etc/services return when run inside the jail ?[21:32:51] <adaptr> (that is what postfix does)[21:33:48] <vankooch> when I run getent services smtp I get 25/tcp[21:34:06] <adaptr> inside the jail ?[21:34:46] <warhead> adaptr: some time I have problem with smtp gateway, and gateway automatic send mails in quarantene, we fix gateway now.[21:35:06] <adaptr> warhead: that means nothing to me. if correctly configured, postfix delivers what you send it.[21:35:36] <vankooch> adaptr: yes[21:37:15] <warhead> adaptr: true, postfix work prefect, but now looking for any good tools for analize mail.log, my log file get 100mb in 3-4h.[21:37:36] <adaptr> !tell warhead pflogsumm[21:37:36] <knoba> warhead: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html (metalog users see the !mpflogsumm factoid)[21:39:33] <warhead> adaptr: ty for link :-)[21:39:57] <adaptr> that's generally all you need to keep an eye on, unless you have a very bad destination yuo often send to[21:41:53] <warhead> adaptr: great, going to try pflogsumm[21:43:25] <vankooch> adaptr: any other idea?[21:43:57] <adaptr> postfix isn't lying. is the smtp service actually chrooted ?[21:45:01] <vankooch> how do I check? services is present in /var/spool/postfix/etc[21:45:41] <adaptr> I have no experience with bsd jails. why are you using them ?[21:46:27] <lunaphyte_> seriously. you should know better than to use things adaptr has no experience with![21:46:53] <vankooch> we run all our services in jails. I guess I'm missing some files… I'll check that[21:47:17] <vankooch> thanks anyway[21:47:51] <rob0_> And it sure does sound like you're missing etc/services[21:47:54] <adaptr> what I mean is that postfix can itself run services in chrooted environments. if you're running the entirety of postyfix in a "jail", that may be redundant.[21:48:08] <rob0_> ... or maybe it's not readable ...[21:48:18] <adaptr> POSTYFIX FTW[21:48:33] <vankooch> I'll check that out[21:50:40] <rob0_> !chroot[21:50:41] <knoba> rob0_: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[21:51:51] <rob0_> That's Postfix's chroot feature. Don't confuse that with BSD's jail feature. If your jail is broken, you have a #freebsd issue.[21:52:10] <adaptr> if any non-bsd jail is broken, get out while you can[21:52:17] <lunaphyte_> sounds criminal[21:52:56] <vankooch> rob0_: my jail work perfect so it some problem with the chroot inside the jail[21:53:45] <vankooch> is there any flag I need to set in main.cf to run it in chroot?[21:53:46] <thumbs> oh my[21:53:59] <Azelphur> rob0_: in the spirit of doing what you did because it works, what did you do to create the mail only accounts on your system?[21:54:01] <adaptr> vankooch: you haven't answered even the first question.[21:54:04] <rob0_> !tell vankooch debug[21:54:05] <knoba> vankooch: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post information including NON-verbose logs in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[21:54:13] <vankooch> I've that already done[21:54:47] <vankooch> I mean the stuff in examples/chroot-setup[21:55:08] <rob0_> vankooch, ^^[21:55:42] *** Section1 has quit IRC[21:55:51] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[21:57:11] *** internat has joined #postfix[21:57:17] <rob0_> Azelphur, I would assign them to a primary group which is in sshd's DenyGroups, and a shell of /bin/false[21:57:55] <adaptr> no need for the latter, since they can already not log in to run said shell[21:58:14] <rob0_> In some cases AllowGroups might make more sense, only allow a restricted group to login.[21:58:17] <adaptr> department of rob0 department[21:58:27] <lunaphyte_> i like using pam to control authorization with group membership[21:58:30] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[21:58:57] *** todd_dsm has joined #postfix[21:59:15] <lunaphyte_> then everything can be centralized, rather than configuring each service independently[21:59:16] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[22:00:15] <adaptr> you're trying to squash my independence[22:00:41] <rob0_> I like independent squash[22:00:46] <lunaphyte_> well, it is that time of year.[22:00:53] <adaptr> pumpkin pie time![22:00:55] <lunaphyte_> squash, pumpkin pie.[22:01:07] <lunaphyte_> lets gourd adaptr[22:01:09] <rob0_> yum install pumpkinpie[22:03:15] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[22:04:40] <Dasoren> Pupkinpie, Yuck, I will take Apple pie :)[22:05:45] *** 36DABKBS7 is now known as nb[22:06:16] *** jnorell has left #postfix[22:07:29] *** clouseau has joined #postfix[22:08:54] <clouseau> hi. I'm looking for someone who knows postfix to help us migrate from an old OS X Server postfix to RHEL6 postfix[22:09:07] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[22:09:10] <adaptr> postfix is postfix.[22:09:31] <adaptr> the versions might matter - some. but not a lot.[22:09:39] <clouseau> yes, but there is no guarantee that our current configuration is best practice, so it would be great to have that reviewed[22:10:00] <adaptr> then ask THAT[22:10:03] <adaptr> and we won't[22:10:22] <adaptr> you can ask rob0 if he has time to help you[22:10:30] <adaptr> if you're serious[22:10:38] <clouseau> I'm actually quite willing to pay someone for their time.[22:13:27] <vankooch> ok I've double checked all.. and I still have this problem… here is my log and config http://pastebin.com/WwBaS2ss[22:13:32] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[22:13:55] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[22:17:01] <patdk-wk> what is up with all the logs?[22:17:26] <patdk-wk> fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp[22:17:49] <clouseau> well, if anyone is interested please pm me[22:18:39] <vankooch> yes that is my problem[22:18:45] <patdk-wk> fix it[22:18:51] <vankooch> how?[22:18:53] <vankooch> ;)[22:18:58] <patdk-wk> however you set it[22:19:02] <wdp> :>[22:19:25] <patdk-wk> I'll guess master.cf[22:20:41] <vankooch> what is missing? I've set queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix[22:20:52] <patdk-wk> do what?[22:21:49] * patdk-wk wonders what the hell that has to do with master.cf[22:22:08] <vankooch> oh that is main.cf[22:22:55] <vankooch> should I post my master.cf on pastebin?[22:23:09] <patdk-wk> unless you can fix the error yourself[22:23:30] *** dylukes has quit IRC[22:26:12] <vankooch> pastbin is offline http://hastebin.com/tobumeruso.vala[22:26:36] <vankooch> aha I see[22:26:41] <vankooch> I'm stupid[22:27:11] *** rob0_ is now known as rob0[22:27:24] <vankooch> I need to change n to y :(([22:30:50] <patdk-wk> heh?[22:31:12] <vankooch> anyway its strange it was not running in chroot at all.. and it did't work..even services and co are present in jail[22:34:07] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[22:34:30] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[22:36:40] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[22:47:52] *** Pegasus_RPG has quit IRC[22:49:54] *** lostinspool has joined #postfix[22:53:50] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[22:57:01] <lostinspool> My ASSP with POSTFIX install is trying to connect to port 1025 on external domains to send e-mail[22:57:18] <adaptr> then perhaps you should not do that[22:57:21] *** davlefou has quit IRC[22:57:27] <adaptr> it will universally fail[22:58:19] <matthewt> universilly[23:00:17] <lostinspool> Yeah, that's what I figured. I'm running postfix on port 1025 and assp on port 25, the mail is forwarded to port 1025, but then routing to, e.g., google.com:1025[23:00:42] <lostinspool> I can connect to port 1025 /postfix and send emails just fine.[23:04:16] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[23:04:35] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[23:05:42] <adaptr> you fucked up your smtP transport. unfuck it.[23:06:08] <lostinspool> okay.[23:06:10] <adaptr> (master.cf is a notfornoob file)[23:08:29] <lostinspool> localhost:smtp inet n - n - - smtpd[23:08:50] <lostinspool> smtp 1025/tcp mail[23:09:20] <lostinspool> Was doing the same thing with sendmail[23:11:16] *** dylukes has quit IRC[23:19:15] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[23:30:11] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[23:30:50] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[23:31:09] <lostinspool> figured it out. thanks.[23:34:03] <rob0> yeah, generally don't edit /etc/services[23:35:58] <lostinspool> I've switched sendmail and assp both to port 25, but using localhost and ip on machine.[23:36:41] *** sharky_ has joined #postfix[23:36:49] *** sharky has quit IRC[23:38:14] *** dylukes has quit IRC[23:39:00] *** todd_dsm has quit IRC[23:45:13] *** err-or has quit IRC[23:46:40] *** wdp has quit IRC[23:50:13] *** err-or has joined #postfix[23:50:43] *** warhead has quit IRC[23:54:14] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[23:56:09] *** lostinspool has quit IRC[23:57:30] *** davlefou has quit IRC[23:57:32] *** clouseau has left #postfix