[00:00:25] <lunaphyte> in any case, smtp auth and sasl is all covered in the docs.
[00:00:26] <adaptr> you define a unique smtpd for your home server and require SSL validation
[00:00:39] <dvl> I control both hosts.
[00:00:47] <adaptr> lunaphyte: methinks it unsuited for a general relay. he'd want to require SASL on the home server though
[00:01:02] <adaptr> dvl: fvvo "control", presumably
[00:01:08] <dvl> It is definitely not a general relay. This is only for my use.
[00:01:19] <lunaphyte> yeah, for end user submission?
[00:01:23] <adaptr> ..and you're using a home mail server at all because?
[00:01:28] <adaptr> !tell dvl msa
[00:01:28] <knoba> dvl: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.
[00:01:34] <lunaphyte> certs could work, but management is a larger hurdle
[00:01:58] <adaptr> lunaphyte: nonsense. just one host, with a certificate signed by the relayhost ? they're not ALL dummies you know
[00:02:01] <adaptr> just most of them
[00:02:01] <dvl> adaptr: I have several servers at home, they all talk to my one mail server here, and that servers relays on to my 'real' servers.
[00:02:23] <adaptr> why not use nullclients on all systems that don't require an MTA?
[00:02:31] <adaptr> surely the relayhost is reachable by all
[00:02:35] <dvl> knoba: I have 587 up and configured.
[00:02:39] <lunaphyte> you wouldn't want mail server software on all of those servers. that would be silly.
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[00:03:52] <lunaphyte> it's not a good sign when you must be told knoba is a bot...
[00:04:03] <Patrickdk> what?
[00:04:08] * Patrickdk watchs his life crash around him
[00:04:58] <dvl> adaptr: the home server is not publicly reachable.
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[00:05:28] <lunaphyte> of what relevance would that be?
[00:06:34] <dvl> lunaphyte: I think I'll take the certificate approach.
[00:08:46] <dvl> I think I should read up more on nullcient...
[00:09:34] <lunaphyte> only mail servers should have mail server software installed and running. things that are not mail servers [e.g. things that simply need to send email] should not.
[00:09:37] <lunaphyte> !nullclient
[00:09:37] <knoba> lunaphyte: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.
[00:10:09] <dvl> !nullclient_software
[00:10:09] <knoba> dvl: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa
[00:10:42] <lunaphyte> i recommend msmtp
[00:13:56] <dvl> Thanks
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[00:15:11] <lunaphyte> sure thing
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<c107> I'm new to Postfix. I want to send messages to several servers to be sent to their final destination. I believe the information on doing this can be found [here]( http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html ), but I am unsure.
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[00:44:15] <adaptr> send messages in what way ? are those servers their natural destination ?
[00:46:46] <c107> adaptr: I write an email. From: me at abc dot org To: yo at def dot net. Pass to Postfix. Postfix sends to abc.org. abc.org mails to yo at def dot net.
[00:48:06] <c107> But, I don't want mail to be passed to abc.org all the time in order to be sent. Sometimes, I want the mail to be sent somewhere else to be delivered.
[00:48:38] <adaptr> ...why would mail to def.org ever be sent to abc.org
[00:48:49] <adaptr> also, please see !example
[00:49:52] <c107> adaptr: Don't snap at me. I tried to be as clear as possible. I told you, very simply, that **abc.org mails to yo at def dot net.
[00:50:34] <adaptr> you wot ?
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[00:53:55] <thumbs> !example
[00:53:55] <knoba> thumbs: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.
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[00:54:19] <c107> I'm not having a good day, adaptr. I live in a hotel room with my mother and my uncle's partner got angry at us today while we were doing laundry, because he's a meth addict. I am trying my best to have this five-month email problem fixed without getting depressed or flooding a channel and being banned for the hundredth time. I would really appreciate some help, but I see that this is not going to happen and that I will hurt myself
[00:54:20] <c107> again by getting frustrated and angry. Goodbye.
[00:54:41] <adaptr> ...
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[00:54:51] <adaptr> epic
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[00:55:05] <thumbs> he's used to getting banned, apparently.
[00:55:46] <adaptr> even if what he said was all true, why tell it to total strangers ?
[00:56:01] <thumbs> he's an extrovert, maybe
[00:56:13] <adaptr> or is IRC supposed to be some sort of geek hippy commune where evrybody is your freind
[00:56:28] <adaptr> experience suggests otherwise
[00:57:28] <adaptr> I'm sorta kinda insulted by the dismissive "I want help but it's obviously not going to happen"
[00:57:45] <adaptr> we never got that far. he was too busy being hurt.
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[00:59:05] <staticsafe> meh
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<joe9> hello, I am trying to configure sender-dependent SASL authentication and relayhost_maps following the instructions at: http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html#client_sasl_sender . I have 2 email address with both gmail.com accounts, for the first email account it works fine, for the second email account, it seems to ignore the relayhost_maps setting and is trying to connect to the :25 port, instead of the :submission (:587) port.
[01:01:48] <joe9> any suggestions on how to test what postfix sees for different users instead of checking the logs after sending the mail?
[01:02:11] <joe9> is there a verbose command, which will show how postfix reads the user relayhost_map info.
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[01:19:07] <adaptr> !tell joe9 postmapq
[01:19:07] <knoba> joe9: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.
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[01:57:20] <joe9> adaptr: knob:, thanks
[01:59:53] <joe9> knoba: thanks, it helped. it was a typo.
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[02:20:59] <dvl> I have client certificate authentication working. But I'm getting relay access denied. Normally I'd handle that through permit_my_networks, but given the client in question will have a varying IP address (e.g. my laptop), I'm not sure of a better way to allow this.
[02:21:41] <dvl> This is just for me, not for users in general.
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[02:36:01] <rob0> dvl, then I'd say it's not quite working. :)
[02:36:45]
[02:38:13] <dvl> and just like that, it's working. OK. I must be doing something wrong. ;)
[02:39:38] <rob0> It's cool that you got that working, but fwiw, my solution was different. I used openvpn and put the VPN IP address in $mynetworks.
[02:40:00] <thumbs> rob0: cheater
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[02:40:39] <dvl> rob0: Yes, I also use OpenVPN, and I also got that working.
[02:41:31] <dvl> rob0: My thinking, this late in the day: I'd like this to work even if the VPN wasn't working...
[02:42:46] <rob0> The drawback of client certificate authentication is that your smtpd has to check client certificates. You definitely don't want that on port 25. But if it's just you and on 587, nbd.
[02:43:25] <dvl> rob0: Yes, it's just me, and it's on port 587.
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[03:17:15] <julius_> hi
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[03:18:10] <julius_> when using virtual domains, is it possible to also use google.com which is a real domain but as a virtual one?
[03:18:22] <julius_> google.com is just a example
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[03:21:58] <twb> virtual is virtual to postfix, not to the world
[03:23:03] <twb> Normally all postfix's virtual domains would also be valid DNS domains -- otherwise how would people know how to send mail to you?
[03:23:32] <twb> And you can tell your postfix to accept mail for anyone, but obviously if you don't control the associated DNS zones, the rest of the world won't send the mail to you to accept.
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[03:31:16] <julius_> thx
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[04:31:19] <fling> Hello!
[04:31:23] <fling> twb: Hey ;P
[04:32:03] <fling> twb: How to change To: address in messages with known From: which are already in queue?
[04:34:29] <fling> rob0: My postfix is stopped now, will not it send messages if I enable soft bounce?
[04:35:41] <fling> ^ Do I need something like this?
[04:40:12] <twb> NFI
[04:53:18] <fling> I may drop all these mails > # mailq | awk '/^[A-Z0-9].*some.email at domain dot com/ {print "postsuper -d " $1} ' | sh
[04:53:28] <fling> But how to send them to another address…
[04:59:31] <fling> ok, I copied queue, will now delete messages and figure it out later…
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[05:05:56] <fling> Lots of free space!
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[05:07:46] <fling> postsuper: warning: invalid mail queue id: 8077538DF01*
[05:07:48] <fling> hmm hmmm
[05:11:04] <fling> this is working > awk … | sed s/\*$// | sh
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[05:16:46] <fling> flush!
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[09:25:20] <monoglets> someone awake could gentle help me with login failed problem on postfix ?
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[09:28:25] <monoglets> someone experiencied with postfix could help me please
[09:31:25] <monoglets> my mail.log
[09:43:34] <twb> monoglets: one of your config files contains bullshit
[09:43:58] <twb> Looks like you tried to use a CIDR a.b.c.d/32, but since a 32 is a single IP anyway, just use a.b.c.d
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[09:51:07] <monoglets> twb, thank you for replying
[09:51:17] <monoglets> my main.cf is here if u wanna see also
[09:51:30] <twb> !welcome > monoglets
[09:51:30] <knoba> twb: Error: "welcome" is not a valid command.
[09:51:58] <twb> I'm gonna put out an IRC bot syntax standard and smash heads til everyone adopts it :-/
[09:54:22] <monoglets> sorry, dont understood
[09:54:53] <twb> !config
[09:54:53] <knoba> twb: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
[09:55:04] <twb> Never mind, I'm going home now anyway
[09:55:28] <monoglets> ok
[09:55:45] <monoglets> I'll be here if one day u wanna help me
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[10:22:04] <MHQ-Johnny> monoglets: your mynetworks contains /32
[10:22:11] <MHQ-Johnny> postfix is looking for a file named /32
[10:22:36] <MHQ-Johnny> file not found, etc etc. mynetworks should consist of just 127.0.0.1 and your external (public) IP address
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[11:01:49] <PaulePanter> Hi. Regarding the alias for messages for `root` as in `WARNING: /etc/aliases exists, but does not have a root alias.`, how do you folks manage it for virtual machines for example, where normal users do not have an account?
[11:02:43] <PaulePanter> Do you create an extra user or do you send it to a dedicated host?
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[11:05:41] <yezariaely1> I just had an error that postfix couldn't connect to authdaemon. This resulted in mails beeing lost, as postfix sent a message <test at example dot com>: user unknown. Command output: ERR: authdaemon: s_connect() failed: Permission denied Invalid user specified. How can I prevent that?
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[11:09:44] <mjt> mail loss?
[11:09:57] <mjt> but ok
[11:10:30] <yezariaely1> mjt: ?
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[11:11:37] <yezariaely1> well, a 'user unknown' error should result in mail loss.
[11:11:57] <mjt> it should not
[11:12:07] <mjt> at least not _silent_ mail loss
[11:12:24] <mjt> an "undeliverable" email is sent back
[11:12:35] <yezariaely1> yes, that is correct.
[11:12:43] <yezariaely1> but for me it appears as mail loss.
[11:12:45] <survietamine> yezariaely1: isn't this a problem with cyrus-sasl MSA ?
[11:13:15] <yezariaely1> survietamine: no, it was a problem with courier-authdaemon. After server restart, the directory access rights of the socket file were wrong.
[11:13:15] <survietamine> and not a postfix problem
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[11:13:36] <yezariaely1> survietamine: my question was wrt. the SASL.
[11:13:42] <survietamine> yezariaely1: anyway, it is not postfix error
[11:13:50] <yezariaely1> sorry was NOT wrt. to the SASL
[11:14:28] <survietamine> courier-authdaemon for courier-imapd and courier-pop3d ?
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[11:14:37] <yezariaely1> survietamine: I wanted to know how to prevent mail loss when an attached system tells postfix that an error happened.
[11:15:35] <survietamine> we had problems like this with courier server
[11:15:59] <survietamine> iirc, were problems due to weak debian/ubuntu packages that did not set permissions correctly
[11:16:07] <yezariaely1> correct.
[11:16:28] <yezariaely1> it was after an update in a ubuntu system. Still looking for the error in the scripts though.
[11:16:52] <yezariaely1> so is there some way to tell postfix 'when a subsystem reports an error put the mail in path /foo/bar' instead of sending an error?
[11:19:07] <survietamine> yezariaely1: in our knowledge database, I can read this "chown -R vmail:daemon /var/run/courier/authdaemon"
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[11:19:20] <survietamine> but this set-up with courier is very old
[11:19:29] <survietamine> today should use postfix+dovecot
[11:20:53] <yezariaely1> survietamine: This chmod is exactly what I executed to fix the command. Where is the knowledgebase? Is it public? At the moment I have no time to update to dovecot. :/ Is the docs for dovecot+postifx better than postifx+courier?
[11:21:43] <survietamine> no no, it is our internal kb, but for sure, we've got it from some web pages
[11:22:35] <survietamine> yezariaely1: as I understand, it was not courier problem, it was the package maintainer at Debian/Ubuntu (as often)
[11:22:43] <yezariaely1> correct.
[11:22:53] <survietamine> our servers are running Debian/Ubuntu, it is easy for my team mates
[11:23:02] <yezariaely1> though I can't find the package that crashed the setup :/
[11:23:07] <survietamine> but I really consider moving to some more serious distros
[11:23:12] <yezariaely1> neither courier nor postfix was updated.
[11:23:28] <survietamine> because I even don't like these outdated/bad preconfigured packages
[11:24:37] <survietamine> yezariaely1: but yes, Dovecot is better and include more features than courier
[11:24:48] <yezariaely1> e.g.?
[11:25:03] <survietamine> We had real big I/O problems with courier because it is not caching imap service
[11:25:16] <survietamine> and I really love doveadm from dovecot2
[11:25:41] <yezariaely1> is it interoperable/compatible?
[11:25:46] <survietamine> yes
[11:25:52] <survietamine> dovecot propose some migration script
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[11:26:10] <survietamine> anyway, it is offtopic here
[11:26:19] <yezariaely1> hmm, another task on my todo list ...
[11:26:22] <survietamine> your problem is not related to postfix, which is a strong software
[11:26:53] <yezariaely1> hmm I think it is! I wanted postfix to handle errors of subsystems safe.
[11:27:04] <yezariaely1> ly
[11:28:28] <survietamine> because you consider courier-authdaemon as subsystem of postfix, but it is not
[11:28:52] <yezariaely1> well, then name it sidesystem?
[11:29:21] <yezariaely1> the very same problem can occur with dovecot (or any other MDA), too?
[11:31:03] <survietamine> I told you it is not courier problem, but errors by the debian/ubuntu package
[11:31:26] <survietamine> they say their distro is stable and provide broken packages that they don't fix
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[11:32:21] <yezariaely1> survietamine: I know where the problem is. At the moment I can't change the origin of the error, so I just wondered if it is possible to change the behavior how postfix deals with such errors.
[11:33:20] <survietamine> hmmm, i'm not a postfix guru
[11:33:54] <survietamine> I can't tell you if postfix can answer something when the delivery service is broken
[11:34:26] <yezariaely1> ok, thx. Do you know if postfix sends the error mail or if maildrop sends it?
[11:35:00] <survietamine> why maildrop ?
[11:36:08] <yezariaely1> sorry, that was bullsh***
[11:36:16] <yezariaely1> of course not maildrop.
[11:37:48] <yezariaely1> survietamine: anyway, thanks for your help. Back to work then ;-)
[11:38:35] <survietamine> yeah, I'm a work
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[12:46:13] <moldy> hi
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[16:40:22] <tuxick> you guys also getting flooded with @outlook.com spam?
[16:40:39] <Zelest> yep
[16:40:47] <Zelest> wrote some rules for it which solves it
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[16:41:49] <rob0> tuxick, not using Zen? I don't think any of them have gotten past postscreen.
[16:42:10] <Zelest> I got tons getting though postscreen
[16:42:12] <Zelest> and yes, I use zen
[16:43:49] <Zelest> tuxick, ^
[16:44:12] <buki> >grep outlook.com /var/log/maillog | grep -c rejected
[16:44:12] <buki> 3508
[16:44:46] <buki> ie. "what spam?" :)
[16:45:13] <Zelest> but then again, might not be the same spam? does zen blacklist outlook.com servers?
[16:47:10] <tuxick> it's not lookout servers, it's a botnet
[16:47:27] <Zelest> Oh
[16:47:45] <tuxick> rob0: well, not getting through, but it's sometimes more than one attempt per second
[16:47:48] <Zelest> Then no, not getting that spam. :)
[16:48:47] <tuxick> wonder when they'll take those crimimals down
[16:49:02] <tuxick> prolly russians again ;p
[16:49:20] <Zelest> if it aint terrorism, it aint worth the energy..
[16:49:21] <Zelest> :P
[16:50:41] <buki> also, budget cuts, dude ;)
[16:54:01] <tuxick> identified over 80k IPs
[16:54:11] <tuxick> world full of windows victims :/
[16:54:40] <tuxick> "i have a virus scanner so i can be a total idiot:
[16:55:00] <Zelest> is it possible to run a mailserver on windows xp ?
[16:55:14] <Zelest> if not, blocking windows xp using p0f might be an idea :D
[16:55:33] <tuxick> it's a botnet, kinda pointless
[16:55:44] <Zelest> huh?
[16:55:45] <tuxick> they should be taken offline
[16:55:48] <Zelest> yeah
[16:56:04] <Zelest> still, a windows xp machine has no business access your server on port 25
[16:56:09] <Zelest> accessing*
[16:56:23] <patdk-wk> so far I have has a 100% block rate on outlook.com crap
[16:56:26] <tuxick> that's why i think providers should default to closing :25
[16:56:47] <tuxick> only open that port on request
[16:57:05] <Zelest> don't open it at all.. and let them use relayhost
[16:57:12] <Zelest> to a ISP driven machine
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[18:04:15] <eagles0513875_> !debug
[18:05:22]
<eagles0513875_> hey guys here is my postconf -n output http://pastebin.ca/2463749 im getting a client host rejected access denied any ideas whats not right here
[18:06:50] <eagles0513875_> hey tuxick patdk-wk
[18:11:54] <ikonia> they are idle, you don't need to ping them
[18:12:06] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: how is it rejecting, what's the rejection message
[18:12:50] <eagles0513875_> The error that the other server returned was: 554 5.7.1 <mail-we0-x236.google.com[2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]>: Client host rejected: Access denied
[18:15:54] <eagles0513875_> i compared the configurations between my working email server and this new one and the configuration is the same i wonder if i need dkim or spf setup for it to work with google i could be wrong though
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[18:20:37] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: i got it working
[18:21:06] <ikonia> I suspect you have not rebuilt/built the access list,
[18:21:13] <eagles0513875_> im not understanding what this one line in master.cf does # -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject commenting this out it works
[18:21:32] <eagles0513875_> how would i go about rebuilding the access list?
[18:21:37] <rob0> uh, wow.
[18:22:06] <ikonia> it's basically saying only take sasl authed connections
[18:22:31] <eagles0513875_> to get that working what would i need to do then to get that to work and accept all connections? cuz on my server its workign with that just fine.
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[18:23:44] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: because you've removed the requirement for sasl authentication connections
[18:23:55] <ikonia> so it's working when you try to connect without sasl authentication
[18:24:06] <ikonia> is that what you want/expect ?
[18:24:08] <eagles0513875_> correct
[18:24:14] <eagles0513875_> well i would like to use sasl authentication
[18:24:21] <eagles0513875_> ill double check the sasl config
[18:24:44] <rob0> Google is expected to AUTH at your server?
[18:25:06] <ikonia> this seems a bit of a bad design.....
[18:25:17] <eagles0513875_> that is one thing i noticed though im not seeing AUTH when i telnet
[18:25:22] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: on googles end or on my end?
[18:25:28] <ikonia> errrr yours
[18:25:40] <ikonia> I'm pretty confident google - mass email provider have got a reasonable design
[18:25:55] <eagles0513875_> without it dont i run the risk of being used as a relay or not necessarily
[18:26:16] <ikonia> errrr no, that's relaying rules/authentication
[18:26:23] <eagles0513875_> ok
[18:26:26] <rob0> <mail-we0-x236.google.com[2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]>: Client host rejected: Access denied
[18:26:27] <ikonia> you can lock down relay hosts with many options
[18:26:45] <rob0> Do you expect Google to authenticate at your server?
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[18:27:07] <eagles0513875_> rob0: it seems to work on my server no problem but then again i have dkim and spf
[18:27:13] <rob0> Do you expect Google to authenticate at your server?
[18:27:29] <eagles0513875_> no
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[18:28:04] <survietamine> :)
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[18:29:36] <rob0> Good, because they won't and can't.
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[18:32:23] <survietamine> woaahh, Google can't do some things ? :)
[18:32:41] <survietamine> /mode -troll
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[18:42:47] <eagles0513875_> argh
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[19:36:12] <Zelest> curse you tuxick.. now I get those outlook.com spams too! :P
[19:36:17] <Zelest> being blocked by the RBL though
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[20:34:43] <tuxick> it's been going on for weeks already
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[21:04:46] <Zelest> Been looking at openbsd's spamd regarding *slow* responses (tarpitting) .. any ideas on spamd vs postscreen?
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[21:05:25] <rob0> Wietse studied spamd when designing postscreen.
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[21:09:38] <adaptr> but they serve wildly different functions
[21:10:12] <Zelest> Yeah, it got most of the features, except tarpitting.. which I think is nice, seeing it consume the spammers time. :-)
[21:10:34] <Zelest> and slapping a spamd infront of postscreen feels a bit overkill
[21:11:32] <rob0> I doubt it. Zombies are not like regular mail clients. They have all the time in the world (in this world ... and in the next!)
[21:12:40] <Zelest> well, they usually go through a list of addresses to spam.. if they all would tarpit them, it would take a lot longer to through that list
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[21:49:18] <UQlev> monoglets, was postfix working before or fresh install?
[21:49:39] <monoglets> fresh install,UQlev
[21:50:48] <UQlev> monoglets, then please "postconf -n" and "doveconf -n"
[21:51:03] <rob0> it's not Dovecot
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[21:51:10] <rob0> !pop3
[21:51:10] <knoba> rob0: "pop3" : POP3 is an application layer Internet protocol, superceded by IMAP (see !imap), that allows a client (MUA) to access email on a remote server. Postfix does not provide POP3 (or IMAP) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
[21:51:13] <monoglets> I'm using courier instead
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[21:56:27] <monoglets> something wrong there UQlev ?
[21:56:53] <UQlev> monoglets, regret I tried cyrus sasl only once 6-7 years ago
[21:57:08] <occupant> keystone is suddenly being really CPU intensive and taking a long time to auth. no real errors in the logs besides timeouts. anything that I could look at?
[21:57:51] <Dominian> what is keystone?
[21:57:58] <occupant> oh shit, wrong channel
[21:58:00] * occupant slinks away
[21:58:17] <Dominian> :)
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[21:59:51] <monoglets> UQlev, cant u help me?
[22:00:27] <monoglets> it's a pity
[22:00:47] <monoglets> but thank you
[22:02:42] <UQlev> monoglets, I do not like when people use virtual accounts, sql databases, exotic pop3/imap servers without real reason
[22:04:24] <monoglets> could you help me to configure it without that?
[22:04:31] <UQlev> monoglets, mail-server is enough complicated itself, why to add more components just because majority do so?
[22:04:40] <rob0> !basic
[22:05:13] <monoglets> I tried to have isolated email users from local users you know?
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[22:05:39] <monoglets> if I dont use mysql all users will be local right?
[22:06:28] <monoglets> UQlev, so I'm not experienced with postfix
[22:06:33] <UQlev> monoglets, local or virtual users doesnt defined by mysql
[22:07:07] <andyjeffries> When I send email to that server addressed to andy at andyjeffries dot com I get this in the log - mx2 postfix/local[2150]: C8DB1614F8: to=<andy at mx2 dot ngdhost.com>, orig_to=<andy at andyjeffries dot com>, relay=local, delay=0.44, delays=0.44/0/0/0, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "andy")
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[22:07:40] <monoglets> can I set a configuration like u mean, using postfixadmin?
[22:08:01] <andyjeffries> !debug
[22:08:10] <monoglets> I think to use roudcube and postfixadmin all need to use mysql UQlev
[22:08:10] <UQlev> monoglets, rob0 gave you a tip for basics
[22:08:57] <cite> andyjeffries: Either you are seeing the mail that is generated by bcc_maps (in this case, the mail should still arrive at the primary MX) or the transport_maps entry for andyjeffries.com is wrong
[22:08:58] <monoglets> I apreciate if you help me to make it works UQlev
[22:09:17] <monoglets> it can be like u want
[22:09:58] <UQlev> monoglets, installation of postfix server from scratch takes a while. On freebsd it takes 20-30 hours of my time if I am alone and don't have to explain every step
[22:10:25] <andyjeffries> can't see anything obvious in there
[22:10:38] <rob0> andyjeffries: mx2.ngdhost.com is apparently in your mydestination. How @andyjeffries.com got rewritten to that is not in the information you provided.
[22:10:51] <monoglets> UQlev, don't u have a documentation about it?
[22:11:00] <rob0> Anyway, "backup mx" is usually a bad idea.
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[22:11:20] <UQlev> monoglets, I don't have 1 tutorial for this
[22:12:11] <UQlev> monoglets, I dont't use Debian or Ubuntu either
[22:12:25] <Dominian> There's one tutorial I can name that is a bit out of date and probably uses things that aren't used in most configuratuions any longer that I can reference, but you reference this tutorial at your own risk.
[22:12:31] <andyjeffries> rob0: OK, thanks for your input. Taking them in reverse order - why is backup mx a bad idea? What file could that rewrite be in? I can zip up all the /etc/postfix/ folder if it helps?
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[22:12:57] <cite> andyjeffries: I am sorry, but you configuration and the log message just don't fit to each other.
[22:13:31] <andyjeffries> cite: I don't understand, I took them from the same server?
[22:13:40] <cite> And why does mail from Jenny get BCC'd to Andy?
[22:13:41] <cite> :)
[22:13:43] <rob0> A backup MX is nothing but a spam magnet. If your MX host can't remain highly available, devote your efforts toward improving that.
[22:13:51] <monoglets> I can pay your time to configure for me UQlev, what u think about?
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[22:15:01] <cite> andyjeffries: I can't see anything obvious in your configuration, either. To the best of my knowledge, it should work.
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[22:15:22] <cite> andyjeffries: Unless there are some weird master.cf entries for smtpd or cleanup
[22:15:28] <andyjeffries> cite: OK, thank you. At least that's a vote that I haven't done anything obvious that jumps out at you.
[22:15:35] <UQlev> monoglets, this is good offer, may be someone else would accept it. It is 23:15 here a bit late to start such a job
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[22:16:09] <rob0> I saw a possible issue with typo / TLD: andyjeffries.com != andyjeffries.co.uk
[22:16:29] <monoglets> ok UQlev thank you by attention
[22:16:38] <cite> rob0: not relevant, look at bounce entry above
[22:17:06] <UQlev> monoglets, I would recommend read basic documents without rush
[22:17:08] <cite> andyjeffries: I still don't see anything wrong. Did you restart postfix after you finished editing main.cf?
[22:17:12] <andyjeffries> rob0: andyjeffries.co.uk is my normal email address (and is working on a normal server). I'm moving to new servers so I'm testing with andyjeffries.com (as I own that one too but don't really use it). So I'm sending from my valid email to the lesser used domain to test.
[22:18:22] <monoglets> there is a possibility to you copy your bsd configuration and show me?
[22:18:24] <andyjeffries> cite: that's it. It was as simple as that. I'm using Chef (fairly new to that too) and it's supposed to restart it automatically upon configuration change (at least that's how the recipe looks), but I guess that isn't working.
[22:18:25] <rob0> Anyway, I still say, "backup mx" is usually a bad idea, so I am out. Good luck.
[22:18:32] <andyjeffries> Doh! Thanks for your help rob0 and cite.
[22:18:38] <monoglets> by this way I could understand better the working and create a new here
[22:18:57] <andyjeffries> rob0: Thanks mate. I'll do a bit more reading about why it's a bad idea and make a decision after that.
[22:19:08] <UQlev> monoglets, sure, wait a few min I will collect it
[22:19:09] <cite> andyjeffries: Totally offtopic, but: Did you always use Chef, or did you use Puppet at a point in time and then switched to Chef?
[22:19:29] <monoglets> UQlev, thank you very much
[22:20:03] <andyjeffries> cite: I'm new to any configuration management, only used Chef. I did research both before choosing Chef, but to be honest it was a 55:45 split in terms of Chef, I really could have gone either way.
[22:20:49] <cite> Ok, thank you. Was just curious :)
[22:22:36] <andyjeffries> cite: no problem. If you have any further questions, feel free to private chat me. Happy to answer anything on the whys/hows.
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[22:29:57] <UQlev> monoglets, I don't send amavisd.conf, you can omit it at the beginning
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[22:30:40] <monoglets> okay
[22:31:14] <monoglets> dont u use postfixadmin, or something like roundcube or squirrelmail?
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[22:32:02] <UQlev> monoglets, I use roundcube, not postfixadmin because I use unix accounts
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[22:32:31] <monoglets> so postadmin, just for virtual accts?
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[22:32:57] <UQlev> monoglets, postfixadmin is just interface to mysql
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[22:33:56] <monoglets> got, so is there a possibility also to use virtual accounts on postfix without mysql?
[22:34:29] <UQlev> monoglets, yes, you can store virtual accounts in text files
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[22:35:05] <UQlev> monoglets, sql bases are useful if you need access from several servers to the same base
[22:35:09] <monoglets> thats easier.. I think I'm having problems with mysql database...
[22:35:56] <UQlev> monoglets, mysql is huge comparing to postfix itself
[22:36:09] <monoglets> I got it
[22:36:19] <monoglets> thank you for all your help
[22:36:29] <UQlev> my pleasure
[22:36:51] <monoglets> I'll try a simple configuration
[22:37:16] <monoglets> ssl auth isnot more secure?
[22:37:33] <UQlev> monoglets, even simple configuration is complicated enough
[22:37:46] <monoglets> I saw it
[22:38:01] <monoglets> I'm trying to do that for months
[22:38:12] <UQlev> monoglets, you should use pop3-ssl and imap-ssl to access from internet
[22:38:48] <UQlev> monoglets, and TLS for smtp-auth
[22:39:52] <UQlev> monoglets, send unencrypted credentials via internet is not wise
[22:40:09] <monoglets> I think its simplier to install a full server from begining and configure than configure postfix full
[22:41:04] <UQlev> monoglets, you don't need reinstall services, just change configs
[22:42:19] <monoglets> just comparing the works
[22:42:46] <monoglets> so I'll be glad if I get it working until 2014
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[22:43:35] <UQlev> monoglets, sure you will get it
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[22:48:48] <Leandros> Hi
[22:49:20] <Leandros> !welcome
[22:49:20] <knoba> Leandros: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
[22:49:46] <Leandros> Yeah ahhm. I've got a little problem, for a while now.
[22:50:51] <UQlev> and Mary had a little lamb..
[22:50:52] <Leandros> I have a running postfix mta with spamassassin and amavisd-new in between and verything is delivered to dovecot for IMAP access. Now I want to execute a tiny script when dovecot rceives a mail.
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[22:51:56] <Leandros> Any ideas?
[22:52:57] <UQlev> Leandros, you can pit it in dot-forward file
[22:53:01] <UQlev> put
[22:53:44] <Leandros> But it won't be delivered to my imap anymore, right?
[22:53:46] <UQlev> Leandros, what is this script about?
[22:54:09] <Leandros> It will send a request to a server, for pushing a notification to my phone.
[22:54:18] <UQlev> Leandros, it depends on your script
[22:55:00] <UQlev> Leandros, you might have got a few messages a week
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[22:55:24] <Leandros> So, I have to redirect it in the script? Similar to procmail?
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[22:56:50] <UQlev> Leandros, regret I have no experience with scripting for dovecot, try to google "dovecot custom scripts"
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[22:58:31] <Leandros> I've been trying this for hours now, UQlev. :D
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[23:02:37] <Leandros> SievePipe could work
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