October 5, 2013 
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October 5, 2013 [00:05:01] *** LedHed has joined #postfix[00:10:33] *** NightTrain has joined #postfix[00:18:06] *** mf2hd has quit IRC[00:20:05] *** Seifer has joined #postfix[00:22:12] *** mf2hd has joined #postfix[00:27:47] *** waflessnet has quit IRC[00:28:28] *** waflessnet has joined #postfix[00:29:28] *** maxter has quit IRC[00:39:39] *** LedHed has quit IRC[00:40:32] *** LedHed has joined #postfix[00:55:27] *** hallamigo has quit IRC[00:59:09] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[01:07:55] *** j4jackj has quit IRC[01:08:41] *** j4jackj has joined #postfix[01:27:12] *** PerlWebDev has quit IRC[01:45:11] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[01:45:32] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[01:58:29] *** zerick has quit IRC[02:53:22] *** honestly has joined #postfix[02:53:39] <honestly> hello #postfix[02:53:53] <honestly> Oct 5 00:51:34 leda postfix/local[18484]: warning: pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql/transport.cf is unavailable. open /etc/postfix/pgsql/transport.cf: Permission denied[02:54:20] <honestly> postfix 2.9.6 on debian 7[02:55:00] <honestly> paste.ubuntu.com/6194672/[02:56:17] <honestly> ownership / permissions on config dirs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6194673/[03:19:11] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[03:32:59] <honestly> chown -R root:postfix /etc/postfix/pgsql && chmod -R g+rx /etc/postfix/pgsql fixed the issue without making postfix complain that config files aren't root-owned...[03:36:45] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[03:39:21] *** exos has quit IRC[04:00:26] *** exos has joined #postfix[04:02:48] *** exos_ has quit IRC[04:21:08] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[04:24:07] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[04:27:06] *** exos has quit IRC[05:04:33] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[05:04:50] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[05:24:31] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[05:25:17] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[05:41:45] *** exos has joined #postfix[05:43:12] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[05:43:57] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[05:44:08] *** exos_ has quit IRC[05:55:02] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[05:55:46] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[06:00:10] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[06:00:37] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[06:05:33] *** _marix has quit IRC[06:08:56] *** _marix has joined #postfix[06:18:39] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[07:04:39] *** todd_dsm has quit IRC[07:05:39] *** todd_dsm has joined #postfix[07:16:31] *** leprechau has quit IRC[07:25:38] *** leprechau has joined #postfix[07:43:23] *** Toerkeium has quit IRC[07:48:32] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[07:50:25] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[07:53:06] *** exos has quit IRC[08:07:28] *** Ex0deus has quit IRC[08:08:04] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[08:08:29] *** maxter has joined #postfix[08:12:55] *** Ex0deus has joined #postfix[08:34:21] *** higuita has quit IRC[08:44:41] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[08:45:16] *** ex0deus_ has joined #postfix[08:45:54] *** Ex0deus has quit IRC[08:58:28] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[08:59:46] *** maxter has quit IRC[09:00:50] *** maxter has joined #postfix[09:01:11] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[09:01:26] *** mf2hd has quit IRC[09:03:48] *** davlefou has quit IRC[09:06:10] *** mf2hd has joined #postfix[09:16:13] *** cesspit has joined #postfix[09:22:49] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[09:44:38] *** Borg has quit IRC[09:55:35] *** ace_me has joined #postfix[09:57:04] <ace_me> hi all ! I have a issue that an email was sent from HOSTMONSTER to a vps where I configure Postfix and the destination does not show nything in the mail.log regardign the email sent on VPS but on Hostmonster side they've show me the email was sent by dovecot[09:57:16] <ace_me> I use postgrey and postfix but nothing in the mail.log[10:01:34] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[10:02:55] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[10:06:51] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[10:09:27] *** Borg has joined #postfix[10:26:21] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[10:26:32] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[10:34:52] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[10:35:12] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[10:36:14] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[10:47:04] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[11:00:18] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[11:00:42] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[11:00:45] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[11:01:37] <pj> dovecot doesn't send emails[11:02:03] <pj> !tell ace_me no_logs[11:02:04] <knoba> ace_me: "no_logs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[11:04:04] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[11:05:09] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[11:05:59] <ace_me> knoba [188.24.106.154]:51430 P=esmtpsa X=TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256 A=dovecot_plain:admin at talente dot ro S=1894 id=524FAF59.4080607 at talente dot ro T="test with James" for someemail at somehost dot com[11:06:23] <ace_me> they've shown me that ^[11:06:53] <ace_me> bute on my vps where someemail at somehost dot com is I see nothing in the mail.log[11:07:07] <ace_me> from gmail or homail the emails come nicely[11:07:31] <ace_me> any ideea ? pj ^[11:07:41] <ace_me> knoba is the bot ?[11:07:45] <ace_me> :)[11:08:03] <rob0> and the factoid is a good one, reread it.[11:08:14] <ace_me> factoid ?[11:08:26] <rob0> The log line you shared is not from Postfix. Exim maybe?[11:08:33] <ace_me> could be[11:08:39] <ace_me> hostmonster shows me that[11:08:39] <ace_me> '[11:11:09] <ace_me> http://pastebin.com/wuNnB4EX rob0[11:11:15] <ace_me> can you have a look please ?[11:20:13] *** car1 has joined #postfix[11:21:45] *** car1 has quit IRC[11:22:13] <rob0> I don't know of course, not knowing what software generated those chronologically disorganized logs. But, they do seem to be saying that the mail was handled as a virtual delivery.[11:22:50] <rob0> Hostmonster perhaps thinks they are hosting it, not you on your VPS.[11:23:10] <rob0> And reread what the bot told you![11:30:24] *** car1 has joined #postfix[11:30:35] <pj> I had to go AFK for a bit[11:32:02] <pj> and I can't decipher those cryptic logs either, they are certainly not from postfix and don't appear to be from dovecot either.[11:32:13] <pj> so whatever they are they don't tell me anything.[11:34:13] <pj> at any rate, if gmail and hotmail are able to send you mail properly *and* as you say postfix is not logging any mail from this other host then I can only conclude that this host is not sending you the mail, and something is messed up on their end of things.[11:34:18] *** Zackio has quit IRC[11:35:30] *** Zackio has joined #postfix[11:41:15] <rob0> or ... in your DNS[11:44:21] *** car1 has left #postfix[11:51:21] *** cesspit has quit IRC[11:53:01] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[11:53:02] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[11:53:26] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[11:53:57] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[11:59:34] <ace_me> thank you[12:01:02] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[12:03:56] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[12:06:14] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[12:11:21] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[12:11:39] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[12:24:57] *** higuita has joined #postfix[12:30:32] *** Seifer has quit IRC[12:33:13] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[12:41:15] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[13:03:11] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[13:05:09] *** exos has joined #postfix[13:06:19] *** davlefou has quit IRC[13:07:31] *** exos_ has quit IRC[13:11:23] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[13:13:13] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[13:17:29] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[13:24:28] *** wdp has joined #postfix[13:24:28] *** wdp has joined #postfix[13:41:15] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[13:50:55] *** armin has joined #postfix[13:51:23] <armin> hi, anyone a hint why i'm getting relay access denied for a host that is in a subnet specified in mynetworks? thanks.[13:56:24] <rob0> Not really; maybe it's not in mynetworks? Or any number of other things could have been done wrong/differently?[14:02:37] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[14:02:53] <armin> rob0: http://fpaste.org/44475/80974534/ that's what it looks like and mynetworks definitely has 10.10.10.0/24[14:03:31] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[14:04:24] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[14:07:18] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[14:12:13] <pj> !tell armin getting_help[14:12:13] <knoba> armin: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.[14:12:35] <pj> armin: you got the logs right, but we need to see your config[14:15:55] *** jarif has quit IRC[14:17:34] <armin> !showconfig[14:17:34] <knoba> armin: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[14:17:54] <rob0> Check also any -o overrides in master.cf, if you're not using the default smtpd instance.[14:18:19] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[14:18:36] <rob0> Again, there are any number of other things which you could have been done wrong/differently. We cannot guess.[14:19:48] <pj> I don't necessarily agree with the "you should upgrade" in that statement, 2.7 and up is still fully supported.[14:19:54] <rob0> s/been//[14:20:21] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[14:20:45] <rob0> yeah, I would also say s/should/might consider an/[14:20:48] <armin> http://sprunge.us/ZPFh[14:21:13] <armin> does that help in any way?[14:21:14] <rob0> list.dsbl.org[14:21:19] <rob0> !dsbl[14:21:19] <knoba> rob0: "dsbl" : The list.dsbl.org RBL was discontinued in 2008. Please stop using it. See http://dsbl.org/node/7 for details.[14:21:22] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[14:21:49] <rob0> Yes. You have taken permit_mynetworks out of smtpd_recipient_restrictions.[14:22:18] <rob0> or, actually, you moved it after reject_unauth_destination[14:22:49] <rob0> Why sbl-xbl, why not Zen?[14:22:52] <rob0> !zen[14:22:53] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL. Testing your DNSBL lookup can be done here: http://www.crynwr.com/spam/[14:22:58] <armin> rob0: yes i moved it after[14:23:04] <armin> rob0: let me try[14:23:29] <rob0> CBL is a part of XBL, so that's a redundant lookup.[14:23:38] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[14:23:48] <rob0> Especially now since Spamhaus hosts CBL.[14:23:55] <armin> rob0: yes that was it. thank you.[14:24:37] <pj> armin: the order of those is important, of course if you move permit_mynetworks after reject_unauth_destination then the message will be rejected before it has a chance to even check mynetworks.[14:25:08] <pj> armin: please read the docs for smtpd_*_restrictions[14:25:14] <pj> !tell armin postconf_5[14:25:14] <knoba> armin: "postconf_5" : For documentation on all main.cf settings see the postconf(5) man page either type `man 5 postconf' into your shell or browse to http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html.[14:25:28] <armin> thanks![14:25:29] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[14:25:31] <pj> anyways, I have to go[14:26:14] <ace_me> pj are you back ?[14:26:32] <honestly> I am using postfix (with dovecot for imap and sasl) to deliver local mail as well as virtual mailboxes. Everything works, but I'd be grateful if someone could look at my config and tell me if the way I'm doing (virtual as fallback after local) it is sane: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6196237/[14:26:54] <ace_me> you were right pj[14:27:17] <ace_me> they've thought the mail is local and that's why virtual was seen into that log[14:32:20] <rob0> pj did not say that. I did.[14:35:17] *** Kellin has quit IRC[14:36:58] <rob0> honestly, no, not good. Keep your address classes separate. Why do you even need virtual? Without local_recipient_maps you will be a backscatter source.[14:37:04] <rob0> !virtual_maps[14:37:04] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_maps" : The virtual_maps postconf(5) parameter has been deprecated since Postfix 2.0. If you're using virtual_maps, you're probably following old, outdated information. See !virtual_alias_maps and !virtual_alias_domains for the replacements. See also !google.[14:39:32] <honestly> rob0: I need virtual because I want to have virtual mailboxes[14:39:47] <honestly> but I will check this out, thanks for the hint![14:42:14] <rob0> Why do you want to have virtual mailboxes?[14:42:24] <honestly> maybe I don't and I've been conflating things[14:42:45] <rob0> bingo :)[14:43:01] *** aruntomar has joined #postfix[14:43:22] <honestly> to be clearer about what I really want: I want to have luser mail in /var/mail/<loginname> and I want to have additional mailboxes in /home/mailboxuser/<mailboxname>[14:43:56] *** ace_me has quit IRC[14:44:31] <honestly> does that sound sane at least?[14:45:09] <rob0> Maybe you want LMTP delivery. The Dovecot userdb lookups will tell it where to go for each address.[14:48:43] <honestly> doveconf -n: http://ix.io/8lC[14:49:45] * honestly looks up LMTP[14:51:26] <honestly> don't see what that would get me, postfix seems happy to chuck luser mail where luser mail needs to go and everything else goes to virtual[14:51:37] *** ace_me has joined #postfix[14:51:37] *** ace_me has joined #postfix[14:52:42] <honestly> as far as I'm seeing this, I think I just want to kill my entire virtual config and set local_recipient_maps properly[14:53:56] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[14:54:47] <rob0> When you get hit by a spammer's dictionary attack on your domain, you'll be glad you were rejecting bad recipients.[14:55:25] <honestly> I do reject bad recipients[14:55:45] <honestly> things that aren't in the virtual mailbox map should get rejected[14:56:09] *** ace_me has quit IRC[14:56:24] <rob0> no, you BOUNCE them. A reject happens in smtpd, before local and virtual are consulted.[14:56:35] <rob0> !backscatter[14:56:35] <knoba> rob0: "backscatter" : see http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html - Basically backscatter are bounces sent to innocent systems. A spammer sent email in behalf of the victim's system. Undeliverable emails get bounced to the victim.[14:56:45] <rob0> !address_classes[14:56:45] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.[14:57:50] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[14:58:05] *** ace_me_ has quit IRC[14:58:19] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[15:01:26] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[15:03:51] *** maxter has quit IRC[15:04:07] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[15:04:40] *** maxter has joined #postfix[15:04:57] *** aruntomar has quit IRC[15:05:38] *** ace_me_ has quit IRC[15:06:51] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[15:15:03] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[15:15:28] *** maxter has quit IRC[15:18:01] *** maxter has joined #postfix[15:18:16] *** aruntomar has joined #postfix[15:23:26] *** maxter has quit IRC[15:31:33] *** mroe has joined #postfix[15:55:33] *** arnoldB has quit IRC[15:56:28] *** arnoldB has joined #postfix[16:01:22] *** s0ber has quit IRC[16:01:44] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[16:04:48] <aruntomar> I"m getting this error in my logs: 554 5.7.1 relay access denied, looks like there are certain ip's who are trying to spam other users using my mail server. my server blocks open relay. what else can i do to secure it?[16:05:53] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[16:07:27] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[16:07:55] *** mroe has quit IRC[16:08:52] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[16:17:58] *** fireglow has quit IRC[16:18:30] *** fireglow has joined #postfix[16:20:36] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[16:22:56] *** ace_me_ has quit IRC[16:24:58] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[16:29:37] <honestly> rob0: I see (sorry had to go away for a while)[16:30:03] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[16:30:15] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:30:51] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[16:30:51] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:33:56] *** exos has quit IRC[16:38:01] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[16:41:07] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[16:48:04] <honestly> rob0: can I just add my mailbox map to the local_recipient_maps?[16:51:11] *** Seifer has joined #postfix[16:53:19] *** maxter has joined #postfix[16:57:06] *** ace_me_ has quit IRC[16:59:38] *** Seifer has quit IRC[17:02:08] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[17:03:41] <honestly> I can![17:04:14] <honestly> now to get rid of the entire virtual conf.[17:04:33] *** err-or has quit IRC[17:04:53] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[17:08:27] <honestly> is there a way to create a *map* to take the function of mail_spool_directory?[17:08:31] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[17:10:08] <waldi> no, the spool is one piece. what problem are you trying to solve?[17:11:55] *** ace_me_ has quit IRC[17:12:41] *** mroe has joined #postfix[17:13:17] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[17:13:28] <honestly> I want to deliver luser mail to /var/mail/<loginname>, and also have mailboxes for specified addresses that don't have any relation to local users (and thus will only be accessible via imap)[17:13:44] <honestly> I guess I could just move all those mailboxes to the spool.[17:16:59] <honestly> just got my first spam mail on this server! cool I guess.[17:19:18] <honestly> hmmm, it was sent from outlook.com[17:22:06] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[17:22:28] <waldi> honestly: the spool have nothing to do with the localtion of the mailboxes[17:23:18] <honestly> waldi: ah! how do I set up a mailbox map that local can use to drop mail in the right places?[17:24:26] <thumbs> honestly: why not use a cli client that supports imap?[17:25:01] <honestly> I like typing "mail" and seeing my mail![17:25:18] <waldi> honestly: you want to use system users and deliver everything to ~/Maildir/[17:25:18] *** ace_me_ has quit IRC[17:25:41] <honestly> no, I really don't want to use system users[17:25:43] <waldi> everything else is more complex and i don't see why you need it[17:25:46] <waldi> you want[17:25:49] <honestly> lol[17:26:03] <waldi> this is not the right answer[17:26:10] <waldi> you can here and asked for help[17:26:47] <thumbs> you use system users, or you use imap clients, IMO[17:27:06] <waldi> no[17:27:28] <honestly> I want to use the unix user system (pam/passwd) for mail for local users, and I want to use something different for nonlocal users. I don't want to set up local users just for email.[17:29:07] <waldi> honestly: you don't. but you can start with VIRTUAL_README[17:29:31] <honestly> I'm using virtual right now[17:29:44] <honestly> but I'll go over the readme again[17:29:44] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[17:35:29] *** ace_me_ has joined #postfix[17:45:34] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[17:50:21] *** wdp has quit IRC[17:52:52] *** NightTrain has quit IRC[18:00:08] *** NightTrain has joined #postfix[18:05:01] *** ffiore has quit IRC[18:05:26] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[18:08:30] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[18:12:15] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[18:12:49] *** ace_me_ has quit IRC[18:26:50] *** maxter has quit IRC[18:39:06] *** aruntomar has quit IRC[18:53:15] *** aruntomar has joined #postfix[18:53:39] *** UQlev has quit IRC[18:56:46] *** maxter has joined #postfix[18:57:18] *** maxter has quit IRC[18:57:34] *** maxter has joined #postfix[19:00:20] *** Seifer has joined #postfix[19:02:30] *** maxter has quit IRC[19:05:31] *** ffiore has quit IRC[19:05:45] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[19:06:06] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[19:08:54] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[19:17:25] *** maxter has joined #postfix[19:22:06] *** jarif has joined #postfix[19:27:03] *** higuita has quit IRC[19:32:56] *** aruntomar has left #postfix[19:35:32] *** Seifer has quit IRC[19:44:22] *** jelly has quit IRC[19:44:55] *** mroe has quit IRC[19:44:57] *** jelly has joined #postfix[19:46:01] *** ffiore has quit IRC[19:47:14] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[19:47:58] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[19:50:49] *** mf2hd has quit IRC[19:54:38] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[19:55:38] *** mf2hd has joined #postfix[19:59:39] *** maxter has quit IRC[20:00:57] *** maxter has joined #postfix[20:06:37] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[20:09:50] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[20:23:00] *** julius_ has joined #postfix[20:23:01] <julius_> hi[20:25:13] <julius_> ive got a postfix which is configured to handle mails for myuser at virtualdomain dot net now if i put MAILTO=myuser at virtualdomain dot net in another systems how would the entry in /etc/hosts look for @virtualdomain.net? i only know how to put "ip host" combinations in there[20:27:57] <julius_> ...in another sytems crontab....[20:50:47] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[21:08:10] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[21:10:15] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[21:16:07] *** ex0deus_ is now known as Ex0deus[21:29:40] *** Pegasus_RPG has left #postfix[21:32:24] *** exos has joined #postfix[21:35:02] *** exos_ has quit IRC[21:35:50] *** higuita has joined #postfix[21:39:34] *** winux has joined #postfix[21:47:40] *** maxter has quit IRC[21:53:48] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[21:54:10] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[21:57:28] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[22:07:35] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[22:10:27] *** davlefou has quit IRC[22:25:10] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[22:32:27] *** Borg has quit IRC[22:44:23] *** Borg has joined #postfix[22:52:32] *** UQlev has quit IRC[23:07:51] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[23:10:48] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[23:30:21] *** Ex0deus has left #postfix[23:35:30] *** sharky has quit IRC[23:35:44] *** sharky has joined #postfix[23:45:02] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[23:56:35] <Patrickdk> julius_, given postfix ignores /etc/hosts, probably not very useful