October 3, 2013 
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October 3, 2013 [00:02:18] *** endikos has joined #postfix[00:04:12] <endikos> Hey folks, how do I set the return address for postfix bounce notifications? I've tried setting it to MAILER DAEMON (postfix system) <postmaster at mydomain dot com>, and have set the postfix_system_user postmaster at mydomain dot com map in generic, by my from is still getting set to <>. Any ideas?[00:05:05] <waldi> the sender of a bounce is empty[00:05:16] <waldi> so what are you talking about? The From header?[00:05:31] <rob0> The null sender <> should always be thee envelope sender of a bounce.[00:05:45] <waldi> _must_[00:06:19] <rob0> must, yes[00:08:00] <endikos> Hrm. OK. Thanks![00:09:00] <waldi> what problem are you trying to solve?[00:09:42] *** h3m5k has quit IRC[00:09:59] *** h3m5k has joined #postfix[00:10:13] <endikos> Bounce notifications are not being delivered to a barracuda spam firewall because the firewall doesn't allow null senders. a bit of a catch 22. Gonna look at the barracuda settings next[00:10:46] *** jwing-afk has quit IRC[00:12:52] <rob0> why the bounces in the first place? Usually that is the right problem to address.[00:13:55] <endikos> The machine sending the bounces is correctly handling them, but it is upstream of the barracuda - it's trying to deliver legit bounce notices - the the barracuda's "superserver"[00:14:12] <tharkun> rob0: you droped a channel[00:14:56] <rob0> tharkun: my server died :( (this is a backup client I had elsewhere.)[00:16:11] <tharkun> It seems the whole of freenode was interested on my little field trip. I wonder why?[00:16:34] <rob0> probably because of my trolling[00:16:59] *** steven4455 has quit IRC[00:18:54] <tharkun> I'm having lunch halve way back, just to inform you ;P[00:19:04] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[00:19:12] *** endikos has quit IRC[00:20:03] *** [sr] has joined #postfix[00:20:12] <[sr]> hi[00:20:20] <[sr]> postfix doesn't log to syslog-ng[00:20:25] <[sr]> is there a reason for it?[00:22:24] <[sr]> hum i think i have to tune up syslog ng :)[00:24:01] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[00:25:04] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[00:31:54] *** h3m5k has quit IRC[00:37:04] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[00:45:55] <pickcoder> rob0 left? Oh.. I didn't know he was here anyway.. bwahaha.. :P[00:48:15] *** spY|da has quit IRC[00:48:46] *** h3m5k has joined #postfix[00:50:16] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[00:51:09] *** xorred has quit IRC[00:54:49] *** gu1lle_1 has joined #postfix[00:54:51] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[00:56:22] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[00:58:24] *** adaptr has quit IRC[00:59:05] *** adaptr has joined #postfix[01:01:59] *** loompek has quit IRC[01:02:48] *** loompek has joined #postfix[01:05:30] *** doomas has quit IRC[01:05:31] *** gu1lle_1 has quit IRC[01:06:40] *** doomas has joined #postfix[01:20:41] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[01:26:51] *** magyar has quit IRC[01:27:07] *** Bigsista has quit IRC[01:39:36] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[01:42:06] *** exos has quit IRC[01:53:46] *** jwing has joined #postfix[01:53:46] *** jwing has joined #postfix[01:58:59] *** exos has joined #postfix[02:01:57] *** exos_ has quit IRC[02:03:38] <GNU\colossus> adaptr, how do you retrain dspam in your setup?[02:12:49] *** hallamigo has quit IRC[02:13:05] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[02:20:36] *** twobithacker has quit IRC[02:20:43] *** twobithacker has joined #postfix[02:21:01] *** winux has quit IRC[02:24:00] *** CaptFrito has quit IRC[02:24:56] *** Bigsista has joined #postfix[02:29:08] *** Bigsista has quit IRC[02:30:38] *** twb has joined #postfix[03:01:45] *** Borg has quit IRC[03:05:18] *** Borg has joined #postfix[03:06:14] *** nesthib has quit IRC[03:09:10] *** Guest49447 has joined #postfix[03:13:52] *** magyar has joined #postfix[03:20:09] *** Guest49447 has quit IRC[03:20:09] *** Guest49447 has joined #postfix[03:20:16] *** Guest49447 is now known as nesthib[03:55:01] <twb> What's best practice for dealing with (spam) mail to system accounts -- ones that shouldn't ever receive legitimate mail?[03:55:24] <lunaphyte> what are examples of system accounts?[03:55:25] <twb> Someone is mailing nobody at cyber dot com.au and my first inclination is to add "nobody: /dev/null" to aliases just so postfix stops trying to write to /var/mail/nobody[03:55:36] <lunaphyte> oh.[03:55:47] <lunaphyte> why are you even accepting that email in the first place?[03:55:51] <twb> But maybe I should have a more robust solution like telling postfix that accounts <1000 aren't real[03:55:54] <twb> lunaphyte: NFI[03:56:16] <lunaphyte> yes, just reject the mail[03:56:44] <twb> What's the right way to teach postfix which accounts are real and which aren't?[03:56:59] <twb> I think it's just using everything in the nss passwd database as account names atm[03:57:33] <lunaphyte> !tell twb show_config[03:57:33] <knoba> twb: "show_config" : postconf -nf and postconf -Mf will return the current config, as is appropriate for a pastebin when asking for help. if your version is older than 2.9, see !show_oldconfig[03:57:44] <twb> Righto[03:58:15] <twb> !show_oldconfig[03:58:15] <knoba> twb: "show_oldconfig" : if you are using a version older than 2.9, postconf -n and master.cf with comments removed will present the current config in a manner suitable for a pastebin when asking for help. if you are using 2.9 or newer, see !show_config[03:59:39] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/49091/[04:02:18] <lunaphyte> well, off of the top of my head, there's always check_recipient access[04:02:41] <lunaphyte> it does seem as though there might be a more natural mechanism to handle this.[04:02:54] <twb> I don't really want to maintain a separate list of legitimate accounts for postfix, if I can avoid it[04:03:02] <twb> If that's what you were suggesting[04:03:19] <lunaphyte> in essence. perhaps it could be a negated list though.[04:03:41] <lunaphyte> it's not coming from /etc/passwd though[04:03:44] <twb> Yeah blacklist would be easier and more static. If I can tell it to avoid UID ranges would be least bad, I think...[04:03:57] <twb> lunaphyte: it should come from nss passwd -- which for me is /etc/passwd + ldap[04:03:58] <lunaphyte> local_recipient_maps = ldap:/etc/postfix/local-recipient-map-ldap.cf $alias_maps[04:04:17] <twb> Oh, that is probably the magic for group addresses[04:04:27] <lunaphyte> local(8) recipients are validated by those two lookup maps[04:04:42] <twb> Ah, yes, I see you're right. Bad me for assuming[04:05:00] <twb> That .cf is getting all objectClass=posixAccount directly from LDAP[04:05:08] <lunaphyte> you have system accounts in ldap?[04:05:14] <twb> I bloody shouldn't[04:05:23] <lunaphyte> well, figure out which map they're coming from[04:05:46] <lunaphyte> pastebin a log snippit of postfix processing a message to one of the undesired recipients[04:05:59] <twb> Okey dokey[04:12:37] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[04:17:50] *** higuita has joined #postfix[04:25:33] <twb> Shit sorry I got pulled into a meeting and I'm not gonna get back to this today[04:26:08] <lunaphyte> well, look in your aliases files too.[04:26:19] <lunaphyte> it's time for bed here anyway[04:26:20] <lunaphyte> :)[04:26:48] <lunaphyte> [btw, you also have smtp auth globally enabled, which you shouldn't][04:32:20] *** Bronze has quit IRC[04:35:03] *** freezey has joined #postfix[04:39:05] <twb> Yeah I keep meaning to get around to that[04:46:18] *** freezey has quit IRC[04:58:03] *** dylukes has quit IRC[05:01:13] *** dchan_ has joined #postfix[05:01:57] *** dchan has quit IRC[05:04:01] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[05:04:28] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[05:04:49] *** Net147 has joined #postfix[05:05:45] <Net147> is there a way to make the Postfix queue first-in-last-out instead of first-in-first-out? so the most recently added messages are processed first[05:15:48] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[05:18:42] *** exos has quit IRC[05:48:46] *** exos_ has quit IRC[05:57:52] *** exos has joined #postfix[06:00:19] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[06:00:41] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[06:13:55] *** josh has quit IRC[06:14:03] *** josh has joined #postfix[06:24:16] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[06:37:43] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[06:38:02] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[06:39:49] *** twb has quit IRC[06:40:05] *** twb has joined #postfix[06:57:24] *** Pegasus_RPG has joined #postfix[07:14:11] *** jwing has quit IRC[07:21:36] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[07:27:27] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[07:29:25] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[07:30:08] *** jwing has joined #postfix[07:47:46] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[07:49:19] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[07:53:08] *** Niemi has joined #postfix[08:00:21] *** winux has joined #postfix[08:10:24] *** AndChat|499956 has joined #postfix[08:12:05] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[08:12:06] *** monkwitdafunk has quit IRC[08:25:02] *** winux has quit IRC[08:31:57] *** grundy has joined #postfix[08:35:36] *** grundy has quit IRC[08:35:40] *** maxter has joined #postfix[08:44:32] <GNU\colossus> this dspam piece of utter shit is going to make me shoot someone in the face.[08:44:35] <GNU\colossus> with a bazooka.[08:45:50] *** Elisha has quit IRC[08:46:40] <GNU\colossus> btw adaptr, I'm not sure if you complained about --debug doing nothing (or my memory is just making that up as I'm on the brink of going insane, bwahaha!), but that only works if you enable it at compile-time. which makes perfect sense. not.[08:47:48] *** tjikkun_work has joined #postfix[08:49:19] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[08:49:42] <Zelest> last time I used dspam it worked perfectly..[08:49:54] <Zelest> only drawback was it required a lot of administration to keep the filter accurate[08:50:39] <GNU\colossus> my (newest) problem is that I cannot get retraining to work.[08:50:52] <GNU\colossus> neither manually, nor via dovecot-antispam[08:51:49] <Zelest> ah :/[08:52:07] <Zelest> havn't used it in AGES though, so I'm afraid I can't help you :/[08:53:30] *** h3m5k has quit IRC[08:53:33] <Zelest> regarding antispam btw.. how does those DNSBL works which uses spamtraps when google/yahoo/hotmail/etc delivers spam? I doubt they blacklist those providers? :o[08:55:27] *** anonymous has joined #postfix[08:55:51] *** anonymous is now known as Guest48351[08:55:55] *** Guest95533 has quit IRC[08:56:34] *** freaky[t] has quit IRC[09:01:11] *** freaky[t] has joined #postfix[09:12:03] *** maxter has quit IRC[09:12:23] *** maxter has joined #postfix[09:13:17] *** spY|da has joined #postfix[09:15:02] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:15:04] *** cyrilz_ has joined #postfix[09:15:11] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[09:15:22] *** cyrilz_ has quit IRC[09:17:10] *** AndChat|499956 has quit IRC[09:18:18] *** Net147 has quit IRC[09:19:45] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[09:20:10] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[09:20:45] *** monkwitdafunk has joined #postfix[09:35:47] *** nbg has joined #postfix[09:36:19] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[09:47:08] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[09:55:19] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[09:57:06] *** cali has quit IRC[10:01:39] *** cali has joined #postfix[10:02:19] *** ffiore has quit IRC[10:14:48] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[10:15:47] *** madduck has quit IRC[10:19:15] *** madduck_ has joined #postfix[10:24:52] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[10:25:51] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:25:51] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:27:56] *** exos has quit IRC[10:37:57] *** Bigsista has joined #postfix[10:40:07] *** davlefou has quit IRC[10:47:04] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[10:55:08] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[11:00:26] *** h3m5k has joined #postfix[11:06:55] *** alnr has left #postfix[11:19:08] *** twb has quit IRC[11:20:27] *** CommaCrazy has quit IRC[11:24:37] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[11:32:43] *** Bigsista has quit IRC[11:38:09] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[11:38:41] <tuxick> confused here, now VRFY returning "450 4.7.1 Recipient address rejected: Access denied." for valid working account[11:39:24] <waldi> !tell tuxick relevant_logs[11:39:24] <knoba> tuxick: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[11:39:51] <tuxick> log says exactly the same and nothing more[11:40:39] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[11:41:57] <waldi> then you have to remove all check_* restrictions[11:42:08] *** davlefou has quit IRC[11:42:37] <tuxick> don't have any[11:42:38] <waldi> i'm not sure what the result of disable_vrfy_command=yes is[11:43:10] <waldi> postconf -nf?[11:43:41] <tuxick> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10031 permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated check_recipient_access[11:43:59] <waldi> so you actualy have some[11:44:00] <tuxick> it might still/again be the fact i'm using policyd[11:44:23] <tuxick> somehow that breaks vrfy[11:44:36] <tuxick> but still, the message is confusing[11:44:56] <tuxick> hmm that's easily checked[11:46:33] <tuxick> ye different result with policyd disabled, now getting 252 2.0.0 on any address :)[11:47:12] <waldi> and why does policyd not log this rejection?[11:47:24] *** crazedpsyc has quit IRC[11:47:44] *** crazedpsyc has joined #postfix[11:48:33] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[11:48:52] <tuxick> i don't see how/why it would care or interfere with vrfy[11:49:23] *** UQlev has quit IRC[11:50:26] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[11:55:02] <tuxick> ok, this is definitely a bug in either policyd or postfix[11:55:16] <tuxick> VRFY leads to '[PROTOCOLS/Postfix] ERROR: Error, parameter 'instance' cannot be ''[11:55:21] <tuxick> in policyd log[11:55:48] <tuxick> it will reply with defer[11:56:31] <waldi> so policyd is broken, well[11:58:06] <tuxick> i think that's more likely than bug in postfix ye[11:58:26] <waldi> why?[11:58:38] <waldi> this protocol is defined by postfix[12:00:05] *** j_wright has quit IRC[12:01:01] <tuxick> i've been messing with this for quite a while now, problem is the server is running production, can't fiddle with code or verbose logging too much[12:01:19] <tuxick> handling more than 1 mail/second[12:01:45] <waldi> vrfy is not part of a message, so instance have no meaning[12:02:13] <tuxick> hmm i see[12:03:20] <tuxick> reading up on protocol[12:04:16] <tuxick> right, i see. of course blindly removing this check would be risky :)[12:22:07] *** davlefouAMD_ has joined #postfix[12:22:21] *** davlefouAMD has quit IRC[12:30:50] *** davlefouAMD__ has joined #postfix[12:32:30] *** davlefouAMD_ has quit IRC[12:42:37] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[12:55:48] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[13:16:36] *** echelog has joined #postfix[13:18:23] *** err-or has joined #postfix[13:25:18] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[13:40:16] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[13:43:54] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[13:44:54] *** cilly has joined #postfix[13:50:10] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[13:52:00] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[13:56:30] *** exos has joined #postfix[13:59:09] *** exos_ has quit IRC[14:00:45] *** mroe has joined #postfix[14:00:57] *** mroe has quit IRC[14:01:22] *** mroe has joined #postfix[14:09:32] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:09:37] *** nickfennell has joined #postfix[14:10:39] *** cilly has quit IRC[14:19:06] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[14:22:06] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[14:28:20] *** fcatojo has joined #postfix[14:39:26] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[14:40:45] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[14:41:29] *** err-or has quit IRC[14:42:05] *** err-or has joined #postfix[14:42:17] <tuxick> ok, after getting rid of policyd issue i see vrfy working more or less as expected, except that the reject mentions "private/dovecot-lmtp", which is the virtual_transport[14:42:48] <tuxick> i don't see why it gets that far[14:44:03] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[14:48:50] *** cilly has joined #postfix[14:49:54] *** err-or has quit IRC[14:51:08] *** davlefouAMD__ has quit IRC[14:51:26] *** davlefouAMD has joined #postfix[14:54:21] *** Niemi has quit IRC[14:57:19] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[15:00:42] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[15:02:15] <tuxick> think i need to learn a bit more about postfix internal/routing[15:03:43] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:03:47] *** bkfitz has joined #postfix[15:10:58] *** mroe has quit IRC[15:18:06] *** cilly has quit IRC[15:19:45] <tuxick> but i don't see how a verify gets as far as lmtp[15:21:53] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:22:39] *** cilly has left #postfix[15:23:38] *** Javad has joined #postfix[15:30:45] *** Javad has quit IRC[15:37:39] *** staticsafe has quit IRC[15:37:53] *** freezey has joined #postfix[15:38:08] *** tapout has quit IRC[15:39:33] *** freezey has quit IRC[15:41:05] *** survietanime has left #postfix[15:41:24] *** survietamine has joined #postfix[15:41:32] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[15:42:11] *** freezey has joined #postfix[15:44:14] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[15:51:24] *** staticsafe has joined #postfix[16:00:07] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:00:35] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:19:38] *** winux has joined #postfix[16:26:08] *** xorred has joined #postfix[16:26:17] *** xorred has left #postfix[16:29:10] *** bkfitz has quit IRC[16:30:11] *** j_wright has joined #postfix[16:32:03] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[16:33:09] *** winux has quit IRC[16:42:02] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[16:44:36] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[16:47:58] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[16:49:50] *** Skaught has joined #postfix[16:51:00] <Skaught> Hey guys, anyone here from DE and familiar with kundenserver.de? Have a customer reporting BL issues with incoming mail, but it seems odd when googling, kundenserver themselves look like an RBL.[16:53:32] <lunaphyte_> what are the reported issues with incoming mail? show postfix logs.[16:53:58] <Skaught> lunaphyte: Sending party is getting bounced due to sorbs listing.[16:54:08] <lunaphyte_> bounced?[16:54:26] <lunaphyte_> why would it be accepted in the first place if the source with listed in sorbs?[16:54:31] <lunaphyte_> anyway, just show logs[16:55:26] <Skaught> Ok, will go get those. Someone in germany is sending my client a message, my server is reporting to them via reject that their host is listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net. Which it is, I am jsut curious if anyone is familiar with kundenserver.de in general.[16:55:51] <Skaught> It seems odd, when I google them they appear to be a .DE RBL themselves.[16:55:55] <Skaught> put[16:58:32] <Skaught> http://pastebin.com/f6y0Js2D[16:59:35] <lunaphyte_> medusa is your server, and is the mx for your client's domain name?[16:59:41] <Skaught> yes[16:59:48] <lunaphyte_> that's not a bounce.[16:59:50] <lunaphyte_> that's a reject.[17:00:01] <lunaphyte_> NOQUEUE: reject[17:00:06] <Skaught> understood[17:00:10] <Skaught> [10-03-2013][10:55] <Skaught> Ok, will go get those. Someone in germany is sending my client a message, my server is reporting to them via reject that[17:00:21] <lunaphyte_> yes.[17:00:31] <lunaphyte_> that was unclear. too many pronouns.[17:00:36] <Skaught> No worries :)[17:00:46] <Skaught> Just curious if anyone is at all familiar with kundenserver?[17:00:50] <lunaphyte_> anyway, 212.227.126.186 is listedi n sorbs, as you say.[17:00:55] <Skaught> It appears to be an RBL in germany itself[17:01:15] <trurl> Skaught: thats a big hosting firm here[17:01:15] <lunaphyte_> that would be pretty funny[17:01:17] <Skaught> or some form of border mail relay, as the original headers in the e-mail show others[17:01:29] <lunaphyte_> but things get compromised sometimes.[17:01:42] <lunaphyte_> yahoo is *constantly* listed in dnsbls[17:01:48] <Skaught> lunaphyte: http://relaytest.kundenserver.de/ :)[17:01:58] <Skaught> trurl: ah, ty for clarification.[17:02:45] <lunaphyte_> oh, so they're not a dnsbl provider, they just have ah internal only dnsbl they use [almost certainly in addition to other public dnsbls][17:03:21] <Skaught> lunaphyte: hehe relays.bl.kundenserver.de[17:03:34] <Skaught> I wonder if they list themself[17:04:11] <Skaught> Ok, while I am on a roll. Second question. My server runs FreeBSD and I have a Postfix/Dovecot installation with MySQL for user/virtual tables. I see frequent attemps at SASL authentication with failures, is there any way to see which username is failing?[17:04:25] <Skaught> All the logs show in brackets is the Base64 Encoded (Password:)[17:05:01] <lunaphyte_> i sure hope you're not logging successful passwords[17:05:36] <lunaphyte_> anyway, configure dovecot tolog that information[17:05:38] <lunaphyte_> *to log[17:05:44] <trurl> Skaught: dovecot -> auth_verbose = yes[17:06:02] <Skaught> trurl: main.cf?[17:06:08] <Skaught> and ty ;)[17:06:13] <trurl> i'd put it in local.conf[17:06:31] <lunaphyte_> that's a dovecot setting. not a postfix setting.[17:06:38] *** err-or has joined #postfix[17:06:44] <lunaphyte_> e.g. dovecot -> auth_verbose = yes[17:07:07] <Skaught> yes, sorry, I was thinking mail.conf in my head, listed the wrong one[17:09:41] *** winux has joined #postfix[17:11:44] <Skaught> trurl: ty, adds as unrelated line, but I should be able to automate and pull out revelant failure by ip[17:16:03] *** winux has quit IRC[17:24:41] *** winux has joined #postfix[17:25:05] *** steven4455 has joined #postfix[17:38:40] *** nickfennell has quit IRC[17:40:15] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[17:42:18] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[17:42:30] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[17:44:37] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[17:45:08] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[18:00:38] *** freezey has quit IRC[18:02:02] *** freezey has joined #postfix[18:07:54] *** winux has quit IRC[18:14:06] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[18:16:39] *** winux has joined #postfix[18:22:42] *** freezey has quit IRC[18:27:17] *** ffiore has quit IRC[18:30:07] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[18:30:44] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[18:36:37] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[18:40:24] *** Elisha has joined #postfix[18:42:42] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[18:45:26] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[18:45:58] *** MacWinner has quit IRC[18:52:28] *** exos_ has joined #postfix[18:55:26] *** exos has quit IRC[18:56:12] *** hallamigo has joined #postfix[18:58:12] *** davlefouAMD has quit IRC[19:06:01] *** dylukes has quit IRC[19:06:34] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[19:08:21] *** mbc has quit IRC[19:15:40] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[19:18:10] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[19:24:14] *** jarif has joined #postfix[19:29:50] *** galex-713 has quit IRC[19:33:10] *** galex-713 has joined #postfix[19:43:11] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[19:44:00] *** jelly has quit IRC[19:44:32] *** jelly has joined #postfix[19:46:55] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[19:50:54] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[19:59:05] *** nickfennell has joined #postfix[19:59:28] *** freezey has joined #postfix[20:01:46] *** winux has quit IRC[20:03:26] *** winux has joined #postfix[20:16:48] *** winux has quit IRC[20:36:15] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[20:39:21] *** winux has joined #postfix[20:40:08] *** maxter has quit IRC[20:40:17] *** MacWinner has joined #postfix[20:44:18] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[20:46:48] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[20:54:07] *** jarif has quit IRC[20:55:49] *** dylukes has quit IRC[20:57:16] *** nickfennell has quit IRC[21:14:18] *** Borg has quit IRC[21:15:25] *** Borg has joined #postfix[21:38:50] *** fcatojo has quit IRC[21:41:11] *** Section1 has quit IRC[21:42:42] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[21:45:16] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[21:47:08] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[21:56:16] *** err-or has quit IRC[21:58:55] *** err-or has joined #postfix[22:03:46] *** dylukes has joined #postfix[22:12:57] *** tapout has joined #postfix[22:17:02] *** olegfusion has quit IRC[22:27:33] *** freezey has quit IRC[22:30:39] *** loompek has quit IRC[22:32:55] *** freezey has joined #postfix[22:41:01] *** staticsafe has quit IRC[22:41:23] *** staticsafe has joined #postfix[22:44:35] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[22:44:42] *** riceandbeans has joined #postfix[22:45:00] <riceandbeans> if I see 'from<>' in my maillog, what does that mean?[22:45:35] <riceandbeans> postfix/bounce[9766]: 20B3C60F: sender non-delivery notification: A8A9D651[22:47:42] *** davlefou__ has quit IRC[22:47:44] <patdk-wk> maybe actually post the log of the issue?[22:47:53] <patdk-wk> !tell riceandbeans welcome[22:47:53] <knoba> riceandbeans: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![22:50:00] *** ced117 has quit IRC[22:50:37] <riceandbeans> http://pastebin.com/9p58dZAQ[22:50:45] <riceandbeans> there are more like that, a lot more[22:50:52] <riceandbeans> I took out the user's name and the domain[22:51:41] <patdk-wk> why are you generating and sending all these?[22:51:50] <patdk-wk> !backscatter[22:51:50] <knoba> patdk-wk: "backscatter" : see http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html - Basically backscatter are bounces sent to innocent systems. A spammer sent email in behalf of the victim's system. Undeliverable emails get bounced to the victim.[22:51:50] <riceandbeans> you tell me[22:51:55] <patdk-wk> how can I tell you?[22:51:58] <patdk-wk> you posted it[22:52:01] <riceandbeans> I have almost 2200 of them in the past day[22:52:03] <patdk-wk> you did not post what *created it*[22:52:04] <riceandbeans> I want them to stop[22:52:09] <riceandbeans> I don't know what created it[22:52:15] <riceandbeans> or why it would exist[22:52:18] <patdk-wk> well, you have the id number right there[22:52:19] <patdk-wk> track it[22:52:27] <riceandbeans> yes[22:52:30] <patdk-wk> 20B3C60F[22:52:33] <patdk-wk> what does that locate?[22:52:59] *** loompek has joined #postfix[22:53:15] *** deever has joined #postfix[22:53:19] <deever> hi[22:53:34] <riceandbeans> AH[22:53:42] <riceandbeans> patdk-wk: I didn't notice the second MSG ID....[22:53:58] <patdk-wk> actually that is the first[22:54:03] <riceandbeans> someone TRIED to send an email to a domain that was blocked[22:54:04] <patdk-wk> the second is on the end of the line :)[22:54:17] <patdk-wk> ok, why are you BOUNCING it?[22:54:22] <patdk-wk> cause that is something you did[22:54:31] <riceandbeans> what SHOULD I be doing instead?[22:54:37] <patdk-wk> reject[22:54:44] <riceandbeans> I thought that was what was set up...[22:54:59] <riceandbeans> what would the line look like that would say 'bounce'[22:55:39] <patdk-wk> heh? there is no *set way*[22:55:46] <patdk-wk> this is what the logs are for :)[22:56:01] <riceandbeans> # grep -i 'bounce' /etc/postfix/* | grep -v '#'[22:56:01] <riceandbeans> /etc/postfix/main.cf:bounce_queue_lifetime = 4h[22:56:01] <riceandbeans> /etc/postfix/master.cf:bounce unix - - n - 0 bounce[22:56:04] <riceandbeans> /etc/postfix/master.cf:defer unix - - n - 0 bounce[22:56:07] <riceandbeans> /etc/postfix/master.cf:trace unix - - n - 0 bounce[22:56:29] <patdk-wk> did I say to grep for bounce?[22:56:38] <patdk-wk> I just told you it wouldn't work[22:56:45] <riceandbeans> I'm feeling in the dark man[22:56:50] <patdk-wk> LOGS[22:56:55] <patdk-wk> !tell riceandbeans welcome[22:56:55] <knoba> riceandbeans: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![22:56:58] <patdk-wk> do as it says[22:57:01] <patdk-wk> try again :)[22:57:58] <Skaught> I think what he is trying to say is "Seeing as you are harping on my ass for my system bouncing messages instead of rejecting them, what should I edit to change that setting"[22:58:20] <patdk-wk> Skaught, and as I said, THERE IS NO SET ANSWER[22:58:32] <patdk-wk> Skaught, if you want to solve his issue, do it[22:58:44] <patdk-wk> but till there are COMPLETE LOGS[22:58:52] <patdk-wk> and probably a config, no help is even possible[22:58:57] <patdk-wk> postfix DOES NOT BOUNCE EMAIL[22:59:05] <patdk-wk> unless you work very very hard to force it to[22:59:21] <riceandbeans> patdk-wk: believe you me, I didn't work very hard to make it bounce anything[22:59:33] <patdk-wk> then it's not a postfix issue, solved[22:59:37] *** tolkor has quit IRC[22:59:42] <patdk-wk> something outside of postfix did it :)[23:00:06] <patdk-wk> but no logs, how should I know?[23:04:34] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[23:14:03] *** loompek has quit IRC[23:14:39] *** magyar has quit IRC[23:14:40] *** loompek has joined #postfix[23:16:46] *** magyar has joined #postfix[23:17:15] *** dylukes has quit IRC[23:20:03] *** magyar has quit IRC[23:32:11] *** mf2hd has quit IRC[23:35:08] *** sharky has quit IRC[23:35:56] *** sharky has joined #postfix[23:36:02] *** mf2hd has joined #postfix[23:43:37] <adaptr> it should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer[23:44:11] <riceandbeans> adaptr: enlighten me[23:45:05] *** davlefou__ has joined #postfix[23:45:13] <adaptr> it's a bit of an in-joke[23:45:32] <adaptr> one that'd require you to read an 8000-page fantasy epic before you get it.[23:45:35] <adaptr> it's kind of ultimate[23:45:56] <adaptr> the short version is: it isn't[23:47:21] *** nutron|w has joined #postfix[23:48:42] *** davlefou_ has quit IRC[23:51:29] *** nutron has quit IRC[23:51:43] *** nutron|w has quit IRC[23:53:07] *** wdp has quit IRC[23:53:15] *** loompek has quit IRC[23:53:56] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[23:54:41] <riceandbeans> adaptr: I know you are, but what am I?