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[00:54:35] <Kalavera> hey guys is there a way to limit the size of an attachment in a users basis
[00:58:52] <adaptr> you can limit message size overall
[00:59:42] <Kalavera> adaptr: I need to apply 30 MB restriction for some user but keeping the rest with the default value which is 15
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[01:00:39] <adaptr> please don't do that
[01:01:05] <adaptr> Kalavera: use a policy service
[01:02:00] <Kalavera> was trying to use cluebringer with amavis but having some issue making it to work
[01:02:21] <Kalavera> first issue was that cluebringer wasn't in the gentoo portage as official packet
[01:02:24] <Kalavera> :(
[01:03:00] <Kalavera> actually I am using amavisd-new with an antivirus agent
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[01:05:25] <adaptr> Kalavera: use a policy service
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[02:42:02] <pj> !tell Kalavera policyd
[02:42:02] <knoba> Kalavera: "policyd" : http://www.policyd.org/ : an anti-spam Postfix policy daemon which can manage throttling of email and a variety of other things not handled by Postfix directly. Look for \"cluebringer\" in your OS package system.
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[03:06:33] <yorchb> !welcome
[03:06:33] <knoba> yorchb: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
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[04:43:42] <bigDoggy> I don't have a quota set at all but I still get -> status=deferred (maildir delivery failed: Sorry, the user's maildir has overdrawn his diskspace quota, please try again later.) http://bpaste.net/show/136532/
[04:44:04] <bigDoggy> disk space is fine.
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[04:44:46] <twb> postfix is emitting that error into mail.log?
[04:44:56] <bigDoggy> yes
[04:45:08] <twb> Hum, I don't recognize it, but I'm not an expert
[04:46:12] <twb> "overdrawn" does not appear anywhere in the 2.10.2 source
[04:46:19] <bigDoggy> the complete error -> 2013-09-30T02:42:42+00:00 emailer1 postfix/virtual[3829]: 3FF1274A2A: to=<brads at nyctelecomm dot com>, relay=virtual, delay=2369, delays=2369/0.27/0/0.03, dsn=4.2.2, status=deferred (maildir delivery failed: Sorry, the user's maildir has overdrawn his diskspace quota, please try again later.)
[04:47:05] <twb> And /proc/mounts doesn't mention "quota" anywhere for that filesystem?
[04:47:12] <twb> (Assuming linux)
[04:47:54] <bigDoggy> gentoo
[04:48:07] <twb> bigDoggy: grep quota /proc/mounts
[04:48:38] <bigDoggy> clean, no output
[04:48:48] <twb> OK, I am out of ideas, sorry.
[04:49:19] <bigDoggy> I appreciate the effort.
[04:50:57] <pj> bigDoggy: "ulimit -a" and look at those limits.
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[04:57:26] <twb> pj: not disagreeing, but what kind of ulimit would result in that error?
[04:57:29] <bigDoggy> http://bpaste.net/show/136535/
[04:58:05] <bigDoggy> the mailbox in question in 57MB
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[05:13:01] <bigDoggy> it appears to be in the postfix source code -> http://paste.ee/p/FlFcB
[05:16:45] <twb> bigDoggy: what version of postfix?
[05:17:15] <pj> ...and where did you get it from?
[05:17:42] <twb> presumably emerge...
[05:18:20] <pj> what does this ouput: postconf -d mail_version
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[05:18:34] <bigDoggy> mail_version = 2.10.1
[05:19:01] <bigDoggy> twb yes, portage
[05:22:09] <twb> Maybe that is a distro-specific patch
[05:25:20] <bigDoggy> gentoo is raw source, not precompiled binary. I don't really know, but gentoo typically doesn't trip false switched. I don't have anything quota related on my make.conf
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[10:22:47] <adaptr> !mailbox_size_limit
[10:22:47] <knoba> adaptr: "mailbox_size_limit" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal size of any local(8) individual mailbox or maildir file. In fact, this limits the size of any file that is written to upon local delivery, including files written by external commands that are executed by the local(8) delivery agent.
[10:23:05] <adaptr> silly people
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[10:59:51] <cite> adaptr: The delivery agent in his case was virtual, so mailbox_size_limit is not helpful. Sounds more like the vda quota patch.
[11:01:25] <rob0> mailbox_size_limit actually does apply to virtual also, but it's meaningless in maildir
[11:01:54] <rob0> but yes, probably that silly patch.
[11:02:06] <cite> rob0: ITYM virtual_mailbox_limit
[11:02:56] <rob0> ah, you are right
[11:03:09] <rob0> I have an excuse. It's 4am.
[11:03:10] <cite> rob0: strings /usr/lib/postfix/virtual | grep mailbox_size_limit ;-)
[11:03:24] <cite> rob0: Why are you awake?
[11:03:40] <rob0> have been sick, my hours are messed up :(
[11:04:11] <cite> oh dear
[11:04:13] <rob0> Oh, and BTW, bigDoggy is fulcan, a ban evader. I wouldn't answer him in any case. :)
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[11:05:18] <rob0> virtuaposta, OTOH, is very fortunate for my insomnia, because I can explain the answer I gave earlier.
[11:06:42] <rob0> Mail which comes in via sendmail(1) is not subject to smtpd(8) restrictions. Your only recourse within Postfix is to limit who can use sendmail, thus the !authorized_submit_users factoid I gave you.
[11:07:33] <rob0> Outside of Postfix you might have other options, like a wrapper script around sendmail, or use a nullclient which resubmits via smtpd.
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[11:08:38] <cite> !virtual_mailbox_limit
[11:08:39] <knoba> cite: "virtual_mailbox_limit" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal size in bytes of an individual mailbox or maildir file. Specify a value of zero to disable the limit.
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[11:12:30] <tuxick> still trying to nail policyd problems
[11:13:15] <tuxick> at certain point VRFY starts responding with "Recipient address rejected: Access denied"
[11:13:22] <tuxick> for existing users
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[11:13:52] <tuxick> VRFY is only used by assp, not outside world :)
[11:14:29] <tuxick> this because there's not only ldap users/accounts
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[11:51:26] <survietamine> tuxick: what are the differences between assp and tools like amavis+spamassassin+clamav etc... ?
[11:51:49] <tuxick> that'd be a long list
[11:52:01] <tuxick> but assp proxies the requests
[11:52:47] <tuxick> it uses lots and lots of methods/criteria
[11:53:01] <tuxick> the downside is that it's written in perl
[11:53:10] <tuxick> like the rest ;p
[11:53:23] <survietamine> I planned to "regroup" all the MX entries of my differents domains (near 10) to one or 2 internet ip address and then filter spams from that "gateways"
[11:53:32] <survietamine> so assp may be an option ?
[11:53:33] <tuxick> 60.000 lines of perl, even
[11:53:40] <survietamine> it doesn't need postfix ?
[11:53:54] <tuxick> it needs something to deliver to :)
[11:54:10] <survietamine> or is it only useful only to outgoing messages ?
[11:54:11] <tuxick> you configured assp to listen on :25 and you move on from there
[11:54:22] <survietamine> ah, so I need an MTA anyway
[11:54:23] <tuxick> mostly incoming :)
[11:54:27] <survietamine> it is not included
[11:54:50] <tuxick> no it's a proxy
[11:55:12] <tuxick> anyway, still trying to figure out why postfix starts claiming existing users don't exist
[11:55:26] <tuxick> when i'm running policyd with it
[11:56:00] <tuxick> afaict assp is absolutely not the problem, but it sure suffers from this stupid behaviour
[11:56:58] <tuxick> since once VRFY tells it user unknown, the address becomes a spamtrap
[11:59:49] <survietamine> hmm, I still can't see where VRFY command is useful in you setup since mine is very basic currently
[12:03:04] <tuxick> because i don't have all accounts in ldap
[12:03:38] <tuxick> so the only way for assp to know if it should accept address would be VRFY
[12:03:46] <tuxick> there's things like aliases etc
[12:04:36] <survietamine> oh, ok, I do use MySQL backends and my aliases are in sql too
[12:04:50] <survietamine> so many I won't need VRFY
[12:04:54] <tuxick> indeed
[12:04:58] <survietamine> s/many/maybe
[12:05:03] <tuxick> definitely :)
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[12:05:30] <tuxick> hmm tbh not sure if assp will speak mysql, lemme check for you
[12:06:51] <tuxick> unclear, it uses mysql for its own stuff though
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[12:07:36] <survietamine> okie :)
[12:08:02] <tuxick> afaict it doesn't
[12:08:21] <tuxick> don't see a place to define the required queries anyway
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[12:08:46] <tuxick> anyway, nothing wrong with vrfy for this use, imo
[12:08:57] <survietamine> but, isn't it possible that I ask assp to treat all messages the MX (with postfix) send ?
[12:09:12] <tuxick> and then bounce them again?
[12:09:12] <survietamine> In the past, we did use some proxies like spampd
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[12:09:36] <survietamine> hmmm
[12:09:45] <tuxick> there'd be some people here giving you their opinion about bouncing :)
[12:10:15] <tuxick> !backscatter
[12:10:15] <knoba> tuxick: "backscatter" : see http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html - Basically backscatter are bounces sent to innocent systems. A spammer sent email in behalf of the victim's system. Undeliverable emails get bounced to the victim.
[12:12:42] <survietamine> ah I think I misunderstand that part
[12:13:11] <survietamine> that postfix won't answer directly that a recipient doesn't exist
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[12:13:16] * wdp wishes he would get money for every spam mail his server blocks.
[12:13:24] * wdp would be rich within a few days
[12:13:51] <tuxick> atm server is rejecting 1 random at outlook dot com to random@ourdomain per second
[12:14:01] <tuxick> been like that for well over a week now
[12:14:10] * tuxick wants all infected windows boxes taken offline NOW
[12:14:49] <tuxick> probably russian criminals again
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[12:28:57] <eagles0513875> hey tuxick and survietamine
[12:29:20] <survietamine> hello eagles0513875 :)
[12:29:29] <eagles0513875> how are you survietamine
[12:29:40] <survietamine> very fine, and you ?
[12:30:18] <survietamine> I had damn NFSv3 (lockd) problems last week
[12:30:49] <survietamine> RPC services is for me very hard to debug versus postfix ones :)
[12:30:51] <eagles0513875> im having problems with php and apache atm
[12:30:54] <survietamine> but it is offtopic here
[12:33:03] <tuxick> bernstein wrote a nice rant about nfs
[12:33:09] <tuxick> but overall maildir is nfs safe
[12:33:10] <survietamine> I've tried dma, the dragonfly-bsd null client and happy with it (on linux servers), appreciate some features like virtualusertable
[12:33:50] <survietamine> tuxick: my nfs problems were not on mail services, they were on users profiles
[12:34:09] <survietamine> but I don't think NFS is good for maildirs
[12:34:23] <survietamine> maybe it's ok with dovecot2 and director/proxy
[12:34:46] <survietamine> but I prefer avoid NFS still it's stateless and IMAP is stateful
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[13:03:10] <tuxick> http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
[13:03:20] <tuxick> "The maildir format is reliable even over NFS."
[13:03:37] <tuxick> and bernstein used to call it "Notwork Failurse System"
[13:03:41] <tuxick> failure even
[13:03:58] <Zelest> if the failure isn't working, does that mean it's working? ;)
[13:04:11] <tuxick> heh
[13:04:18] <tuxick> smartass
[13:04:26] <Zelest> :D
[13:04:34] <Zelest> them apple users.. eh? ;)
[13:05:00] <tuxick> anyway, many moon ago i built a load balanced mailserver with shared nfs storage
[13:05:03] <tuxick> worked ok
[13:05:20] <tuxick> the only problem was the guy before was brad knowles
[13:05:28] <tuxick> who thinks you should use sendmail even to make coffee
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[13:05:35] <tuxick> the guy before me
[13:05:49] <tuxick> so it was damn slow accepting mail
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[13:11:11] <ziz212> hi
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[13:15:45] <ziz212> how can we make proper restrictions to localdomain and hosted domain mail accounts in Postfix under the postfix virtual hosted domain setup? Because some of hosted doamin only mails are accepting if it is with local domain ?
[13:19:57] <pajamian> !getting_help
[13:19:58] <knoba> pajamian: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.
[13:20:07] <pajamian> ziz212: ^^^^
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[13:43:03] <ziz212> http://pastebin.com/FuUCNEwY
[13:43:06] <ziz212> pls see
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[13:44:55] <ziz212> I wont to control system mail accounts for local domain ... if the accounts are there as user1 and use2 .. I wont to control user1 for localdomain and accept user1 for hosted domains
[13:45:02] <ziz212> How can I do that
[13:45:03] <ziz212> ?
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[14:02:04] <tuxick> the more i look at this mess the less i understand it
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[14:06:35] <survietamine> :)
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[14:10:58] <tuxick> atm checking vrfy stuff again, looks like it always returns 252, unless i enable policyd
[14:11:07] <tuxick> then it starts rejecting with 450
[14:11:25] <tuxick> maybe the cache got polluted
[14:12:33] <tuxick> duh
[14:13:03] <survietamine> doh, I thought you were saying that about ziz212 query :)
[14:13:26] <tuxick> can't parse that
[14:13:30] <tuxick> got my own problems
[14:14:22] <survietamine> because I don't understand what he means
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[14:14:55] <tuxick> same here
[14:15:32] <survietamine> hmmm, documentation about dma says that it's a MTA, but can we call MTA a software that doesn't listen on port 25 ?
[14:17:36] <tuxick> verify_cache was months old
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[14:28:52] <ziz212> cant we have myhostname as somethinng.local ?
[14:29:12] <lunaphyte_> why?
[14:29:30] <ziz212> and all domains list in virtual file ?
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[14:30:50] <ziz212> because we cant control email address with localdomain as like email address with hosted domains (such like virtual maps) ?
[14:31:42] <lunaphyte_> sorry, i don't understand what you're asking
[14:36:35] <ziz212> because if you have 2 domains in postfix (..one is local domain and other is hosted domain) you can control mail accounts (system user accounts) to each domain in using virtual map in main.cf.. but you cant do that to local domains ?
[14:38:05] <ziz212> as an example when considering user1 and user2 ... you cant restrict user1 or user2 to use local domain to send or receive emails.. but you can restrict it for hosted domains using virtual map featuer
[14:38:45] <ziz212> (where user1 and user2 are system users)
[14:40:50] <ziz212> is there any why of doing this ?
[14:41:44] <lunaphyte_> i don't know what "one is local domain and other is hosted domain" means.
[14:41:48] <lunaphyte_> none of that makes any sense
[14:42:06] <lunaphyte_> any domains you have "in" postfix are domains you can "control"
[14:42:31] <lunaphyte_> please just explain the actual specific problem you are trying to solve.
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[14:51:21] <ziz212> I am trying to add another domain to my postfix mail server. According to the document in the http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html my second domain is hosted domain. So I added it to the "virtual_alias_domains" and user mapping done by " virtual_alias_maps"
[14:53:17] <lunaphyte_> what is "hosted domain"?
[14:53:23] <lunaphyte_> that doesn't mean anything.
[14:53:27] <lunaphyte_> all domains are "hosted"
[14:53:42] <rob0> I looked at the earlier paste briefly. I think your problem might be failure to understand what a bare "username" as address means to Postfix.
[14:54:31] <ziz212> I have added few more users to the system by thinking of using the second domain as eamil address and restricted those users to second domain using virtual_alias_domains
[14:55:34] <ziz212> hosted domain is well discribed in the http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#canonical
[14:55:53] <rob0> Postfix appends "@$myorigin" to a bare "username" as address. It's then handled by whatever transport would be appropriate for that domain.
[14:56:05] <lunaphyte_> so a virtual domain
[14:56:55] <rob0> Note that there IS no transport for virtual_alias_domains, because by definition each address therein must resolve to some OTHER address.
[14:58:28] <ziz212> ok .. so virtual domain ... How can I control user names later created to not to receive emails with original domain.. ex: origianl domain is abc.com and later added one is xyz.com..
[14:59:20] <lunaphyte_> what have you tried so far?
[14:59:45] <rob0> I guess I am ignored. Oh well.
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[15:00:34] <lunaphyte_> looks like he is too - by the internet :)
[15:01:42] <rob0> yep
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[15:55:43] <nickfennell> holla. Is there a way to prevent users moving folders ?
[15:56:03] <nickfennell> We use an email system using IMAP and idiot people keep moving parent folders and breaking shit up
[15:56:36] <nickfennell> I've suggested executing these individuals but it needs to go through a change approval process and could take a week or so before I know whether I'm allowed.
[15:56:42] <jelly> that sounds like an imap service issue, nickfennell, not really a MTA or MDA issue
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[15:59:15] <lunaphyte_> what exactly are they breaking?
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[16:09:01] <PaulePanter> Hi. Is it possible to start Postfix in foreground instead of background?
[16:09:34] <PaulePanter> This would be useful for Docker http://www.docker.io/ or systemd.
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[16:11:06] <lunaphyte_> postfix is not a single program
[16:12:08] <PaulePanter> True. There is the master binary and so on.
[16:14:28] <nickfennell> lunaphyte: sorry my bad! Had my head on backwards and was definitely thinking dovecot but typing postfix.
[16:14:38] <lunaphyte_> :)
[16:14:52] <lunaphyte_> note that those are mailboxes, btw, not "folders" :)
[16:15:37] <Zelest> I've seen a few odd DNS errors today.. e.g:
[16:15:39] <Zelest> postfix/dnsblog[86293]: warning: dnsblog_query: lookup error for DNS query 56.165.24.87.zen.spamhaus.org: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=56.165.24.87.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again
[16:15:50] <Zelest> but when I try to resolve it (on the same machine) it returns 127.0.0.4
[16:16:29] <Zelest> is spamhaus having any issues or this entirely at my end?
[16:16:33] <rob0> Zelest, using your own nameserver, or an upstream forwarder?
[16:16:39] <Zelest> my own
[16:16:51] <Zelest> a caching named/bind
[16:16:58] <rob0> I get those rarely.
[16:17:06] <Zelest> yeah, never seen it before
[16:17:29] <rob0> I get them more commonly for other DNSBLs, namely PSBL.
[16:17:44] <Zelest> yeah
[16:17:49] <Zelest> I get the real error is:
[16:17:49] <Zelest> postfix/postscreen[82858]: warning: dnsblog reply timeout 10s for zen.spamhaus.org
[16:18:06] <Zelest> but I've seen quite a few today
[16:18:55] <rob0> It's safe in recent versions of Postfix. But one time I noticed that the timeouts for PSBL caused dnsblog to fail to return the results it did have.
[16:19:08] <rob0> Wietse fixed that, I don't remember exactly when.
[16:19:12] <Zelest> Ah
[16:19:23] <Zelest> might try recompile postfix..
[16:19:27] <Zelest> recently upgraded to FreeBSD 9.2
[16:19:39] <Zelest> but then again, no idea how that would solve anything.. :P
[16:19:41] <rob0> My guess is you're under attack/stress right now.
[16:20:01] <rob0> saturated pipe
[16:20:33] <Zelest> oh.. I've actually had these errors a few days :o
[16:20:38] <Zelest> but it's like 2-3 a day noly
[16:20:39] <Zelest> only*
[16:22:59] <CaptFrito> when using recipient_canonical_maps, will something like @DOMAIN.TLD @domain.tld work for translating all uppercase to lowercase right of the @ symbol??
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[16:23:53] <rob0> You're still on that? No. I suggested using a simple mysql query. Did you try that?
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[16:31:00] <Brace> I'm planning on using LDAP for virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps, but a textfile for virtual_mailbox_domains (becuase I only have a couple of domains and rarely add to them) - does this seem like a sensible way to proceed? also does anyone know of a good config example for using virtual_mailbox and LDAP?
[16:31:19] <lunaphyte_> sure, that's all covered in the documentation
[16:31:30] <rob0> !database
[16:31:30] <knoba> rob0: "database" : http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html provides an overview of how Postfix lookup tables work, and the various types that are implemented.
[16:31:49] <rob0> See the part in ^^ there about preparing for SQL or LDAP.
[16:31:52] <Brace> the LDAP_README page right?
[16:31:58] <rob0> that too
[16:32:08] <lunaphyte_> that and the accompanying documentation, ues
[16:32:10] <lunaphyte_> *ye
[16:32:11] <lunaphyte_> s
[16:32:12] <lunaphyte_> meh
[16:32:55] <Brace> ahhh, I like the idea of getting it working with textfiles first, means I can take the old config and use that on the new server
[16:33:04] <lunaphyte_> good idea
[16:33:24] <rob0> that's exactly what DATABASE_README suggests :)
[16:34:13] <Brace> rob0: yeah, I mentioned it, cause I'd just read that line in DATABASE_README
[16:34:21] <rob0> good deal :)
[16:36:39] <Brace> google bought me to LDAP_README first, which deals well with aliases, but doesn't have an example for virtual_mailboxes, which was what I was looking for
[16:37:13] <lunaphyte_> ack. don't use google for documentation you already know where to find. that doesn't make sense.
[16:38:42] <Brace> the postfix docs are very good, but sometimes there's a bit too much information in them for a thicko like me
[16:39:30] <lunaphyte_> when things are modular, looking for emperical literal examples will get you off on the wrong foot.
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[16:51:12] <CaptFrito> rob0:What I asked about was suggested by someone via #cyrus. i am fighting this battle on a few fronts. one is this 'case' issue, another is migrating cyrus from local accounts to virtual domains. can't do everything all at once. I will try it now though. again thx for the help
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[17:07:23] <tuxick> anyone else getting hammered by this botnet sending randomaddress at outlook dot com?
[17:07:29] <tuxick> getting over 1/second now :/
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[17:07:40] <tuxick> identified 50k IPs now
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[17:11:25] <jelly> tuxick: which RBL are they not in?
[17:11:48] <tuxick> jelly: actually very few
[17:11:52] <tuxick> this botnet must be HUGE
[17:12:16] * tuxick blames megalosoft and stupid users
[17:12:36] <tuxick> actually a large majority gets rejected on invalid helo already
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[17:15:23] <danfromuk> Hi. My postfix server has been listed as a backscatterer. How do I resolve that?
[17:15:36] <tuxick> !backscatter
[17:15:36] <knoba> tuxick: "backscatter" : see http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html - Basically backscatter are bounces sent to innocent systems. A spammer sent email in behalf of the victim's system. Undeliverable emails get bounced to the victim.
[17:17:27] <lunaphyte_> that readme is misleading
[17:17:36] <lunaphyte_> stop accepting mail and then bouncing it.
[17:22:13] <danfromuk> The postfix box is a backup mx box for my IT clients. It accepts emails for anything at clientsdomain dot com, stores and forwards when the client's server is back online.
[17:22:33] <danfromuk> Is it possible to totally disable all undeliverable notifications?
[17:23:30] <rob0> oh my. I would strongly urge you to give that up. Such "services" are not workable.
[17:23:31] <jelly> backup mx usually does more harm than good, this day and age
[17:23:36] <tuxick> indeed
[17:23:58] <tuxick> it's doable, if backup mx speaks ldap or something to primary :)
[17:24:03] <lunaphyte_> don't use backup mxes. it's 2013. people aren't using modems with mail servers any more.
[17:24:04] <tuxick> but waste of effort
[17:24:08] * jelly still has 102 customers to wean off that nonsense. There were 103 last week tho!
[17:24:09] <tuxick> hehe
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[17:24:22] <lunaphyte_> smtp includes automatic queuing and retrying.
[17:25:43] <jelly> I'd buy and configure all 102 VPSes to use as MX if it were up to me
[17:26:47] <Brace> I've never understood the need for backup MX, even back in the day, did people really have mailserver which would be down for more than a couple of days?
[17:27:04] <jelly> Brace: yes.
[17:27:46] <jelly> businesses having their own on dialup, asking for ETRN on finally connecting
[17:28:03] <survietamine> Brace: I have because we receive some "bulk mailing" from some API like PHP not via a mail server, so if my main mail server is not available, I'd like to handle these messages to some queue
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[17:36:03] <danfromuk> Actually, I've gotten mixed up. The backup MX server is fine. I have another server that my clients use as an outbound smtp server. only they have access. its used when their office IP gets backlisted by a virus or similar. The postfix server should only send undeliveriable messages to emails sent from specific IP addresses.
[17:39:37] <patdk-wk> well, same issue
[17:39:47] <patdk-wk> someone you trust, send you bounce emails :)
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[17:40:09] <patdk-wk> since your ip was used to gateway them to the open internet, your ip is at fault
[17:40:31] <lunaphyte_> if there are other servers involved, then configure those servers to stop rejecting/bouncing mail after you've accepted it.
[17:41:12] <danfromuk> The other servers are all exchange servers. I'd expect them to reject all emails but i'll check them out.
[17:41:28] <lunaphyte_> reject all emails?
[17:41:37] <patdk-wk> not a very useful email server
[17:41:44] <danfromuk> all non-local
[17:42:09] <lunaphyte_> either the postfix server is misconfigured, or the exchange server is
[17:42:11] <lunaphyte_> [or both]
[17:42:33] <lunaphyte_> the postfix server should *never* accept email that the exchange server isn't going to accept.
[17:42:58] <danfromuk> ok. i'll look into both and see if i can find the source.
[17:43:12] <lunaphyte_> accordingly, assuming that is happening properly, the exchange server should *never* reject or bounce mail that the postfix server has accepted
[17:43:25] <lunaphyte_> both need to be in step with one another
[17:43:45] <lunaphyte_> it should be easy to find. look in the mailq and look in your logs
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[19:07:34] <djsakamura> If i'm trying to setup a postfix satelite server which will relay via gmail. Do I have to setup a postfix server for each gmail account? Is there a way I can get the relay server to authenticate for multiple gmail accounts? The solutions I find don't carefully explain how to setup authentication for multiple accounts. I've tried this and it works for one email address but I have multiple to work with: http://serverfault.
[19:07:34] <djsakamura> com/questions/123267/how-do-i-config-postfix-to-use-multiple-google-apps-user-accounts
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[19:19:15] <seba4> hi to all anyone here?
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[19:19:41] <seba4> i just setup postfix on ubuntu. Got it on virtual domains and i get large bot connection to server that is trying diff emails..
[19:19:52] <seba4> how could i stop this... how to setup it or what to install
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[19:22:11] <djsakamura> What port is postfix running on?
[19:22:26] <djsakamura> seba4: Is this on a production box or a local environment?
[19:22:31] <seba4> prod
[19:22:49] <seba4> right now i checked fail2ban ...
[19:22:52] <djsakamura> seba4, is the port under 1024?
[19:23:05] <seba4> hm i use pop imap smtp ports
[19:23:05] <djsakamura> like 25 or something?
[19:23:13] <seba4> 25
[19:23:15] <seba4> 587
[19:23:16] <seba4> 993
[19:23:17] <seba4> 995
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[19:23:56] <djsakamura> why do you have port 25 open?
[19:25:24] <seba4> i just setup so didnt lock it yet
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[19:25:47] <seba4> had some problems with setting it up. It was the first time for me so i had both ports open ... if any works
[19:27:28] <seba4> right now i can close port 25 ... and i will..
[19:27:55] <seba4> and i saw fail2ban which kinda looks interesting best thing ... i found:) meybe not best it could be:)
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[19:41:10] <djsakamura> This is so frustrating
[19:41:54] <djsakamura> I just want my multiple gmail accounts to go through one postfix relay without having to re-invent the wheel
[19:42:08] <djsakamura> Which I have a feeling that I could probably get it done faster by doing so
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[19:43:42] <patdk-wk> why on earth would you ever want to do that?
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[19:43:59] <patdk-wk> if yo uwant to use gmail, use gmail
[19:44:03] <patdk-wk> why use postfix?
[19:44:15] <tuxick> makes no sense
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[19:45:01] <djsakamura> patdk-wk, tuxick, 454 4.7.0 Too many login attempts, please try again later
[19:45:15] <djsakamura> I have a solution yet i'll just be building my own relay server.
[19:45:20] <patdk-wk> why are you using a gmail account with postfix?
[19:45:55] <djsakamura> My company uses google's corporate gmail services.
[19:46:09] <patdk-wk> so?
[19:46:50] <djsakamura> What do you mean so?
[19:47:04] <patdk-wk> defently relevent to this topic
[19:47:06] <patdk-wk> http://i.imgur.com/xVXzuCn.jpg
[19:47:26] <patdk-wk> what does, my company uses gmail, have to do with, my server must login to gmail to send email
[19:47:45] <djsakamura> I have several servers that utilize these accounts.
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[19:47:55] <djsakamura> Yet they're using multiple logins
[19:48:09] <djsakamura> into the same account
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[19:48:55] <tuxick> run your own server and offer the nsa a free copy
[19:49:01] <tuxick> saves lot of hassle
[19:49:20] <djsakamura> Thank you, I'll just go reinvent the wheel.
[19:49:25] <djsakamura> I don't have time to deal with asshole respones.
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[19:55:45] <thumbs> djsakamura: let's remain civil.
[19:56:40] <patdk-wk> it's clear, google is telling you that your violating their tos
[19:57:17] <thumbs> I agree.
[19:57:58] <djsakamura> patdk-wk, that's why i'm trying to resolve an issue. Not INTENTIONALLY violate their TOS
[19:58:06] <djsakamura> geez
[19:58:36] <ziz212> Hi,
[19:58:38] <ziz212> My server having 2 domains. First one(domainA.com) is listed in mydomain parameter and second one(domainB.com) is on listed in virtual_alias_domains parameter.
[19:58:39] <ziz212> It is with system users. So userA and userB are users of both domains. I need ed to have allow userA for first doamin (domainA.com) and userB for domainB (domianB.com). There for I have used virtual_alias_maps and added userB for doaminB.com as userB at domainB dot com. That is possible. But userA cant be bind to domainA.com only. If i send a mail to userB at domainA dot com it is accepting. How can I...
[19:58:41] <ziz212> ...fix this issue?
[19:58:49] <waldi> patdk-wk: no. gmail is MX. you never need to use the MX to send mail
[19:58:50] <djsakamura> I understand the problem is our application is creating new sessions for sending email. I'm trying to resolve by maintaining just one session.
[19:58:57] <patdk-wk> ziz212, you missed the topic
[19:59:05] <patdk-wk> waldi, do what?
[19:59:43] <ziz212> @patdk-wk I lost my connection at that time.. pls help me to solve my issue
[20:00:05] <patdk-wk> ziz212, well, no one here is going even attempt to read what you wrote
[20:00:12] <patdk-wk> it's all confusing mung crap
[20:00:13] <patdk-wk> !mung
[20:00:13] <knoba> patdk-wk: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.
[20:00:20] <patdk-wk> !tell ziz212 welcome
[20:00:21] <knoba> ziz212: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
[20:00:58] <ziz212> So you all leaving me out
[20:01:13] <patdk-wk> !tell ziz212 example
[20:01:13] <knoba> ziz212: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.
[20:01:40] <djsakamura> ziz212, I think this is the wrong place to get help for postfix
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[20:02:08] <ziz212> this is my third try to explain all about my issue.. I might have some issue in explaining this . but pls apologize and help me in this.
[20:02:52] <ziz212> And it is not in the helps.
[20:03:00] <ziz212> or postfix site.
[20:05:23] <ziz212> guys .. this is the only place that can ask some questions from you all. I have searched lot to find out a clue for this . nothing is there in the enternet
[20:05:46] <ziz212> regarding my question.
[20:06:04] <ziz212> so pls be kind enough to help me in this
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[20:11:07] <tuxick> i really don't see why first outsource and then try to work around the restrictions
[20:11:17] <tuxick> sounds like a bad call to me
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[20:12:32] <ziz212> tuxik: can you help me in this ?
[20:14:18] <tuxick> i can't even parse the question
[20:19:45] <ziz212> how can I restrict the email account that created under that domain
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[20:24:19] <h3m5k> hi guys, I'm trying to prevent users to send mail if they're not authenticated with the same address that is in MAIL FROM. What's the best way to achieve this
[20:24:51] <ziz212> Oh god ...is it still not understand ... come on..
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[20:25:30] <patdk-wk_> !tell h3m5k reject_sender_login_mismatch
[20:25:30] <knoba> h3m5k: "reject_sender_login_mismatch" : Reject the request when $smtpd_sender_login_maps specifies an owner for the MAIL FROM address, but the client is not (SASL) logged in as that MAIL FROM address owner; or when the client is (SASL) logged in, but the client login name doesn't own the MAIL FROM address according to $smtpd_sender_login_maps.
[20:27:33] <ziz212> ok
[20:27:38] <ziz212> as you wish
[20:27:42] <ziz212> thanks for the help
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[21:14:00] <seba4> Hi to all how can i stop bot spam like that
[21:14:01] <seba4> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6768652
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[21:49:33] <seba4> noone here?
[21:50:47] <lunaphyte_> who is all of that mail addressed to?
[21:54:07] <seba4> ?
[21:54:30] <seba4> i just setup fail2ban spamassassin and some other things..
[21:54:38] <seba4> but my log is 100k lines in 2 min
[21:54:48] <lunaphyte_> ?
[21:54:53] <lunaphyte_> what is "?"
[21:54:59] <lunaphyte_> if you have a question, ASK the question.
[21:55:22] <seba4> i didnt understand what u asked so... thats why it was a ?
[21:55:36] <lunaphyte_> simply writing "?" is WORTHLESS>
[21:55:53] <lunaphyte_> EXPLAIN what about the question you didn't understand. COMMUNICATE with those from which you are seeking help.
[21:55:54] <lunaphyte_> jesus.
[21:55:55] <seba4> Yea i want to know how to block this type of connections that fill my mail.log heavily
[21:56:05] <lunaphyte_> then answer the question.
[21:56:12] <seba4> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6768652
[21:56:22] <seba4> this are some of lines ... just a small part
[21:56:53] <lunaphyte_> from=<xqizie at yahoo dot com>, size=5560
[21:56:59] <lunaphyte_> WHO is the recipient?
[21:57:34] <seba4> it could only be info at pegasti-badelj dot com ... only 1 mail online..
[21:57:51] <seba4> but dont see in the code who is the recipient
[21:57:53] <lunaphyte_> !tell seba4 getting_help
[21:57:53] <knoba> seba4: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.
[21:58:00] <lunaphyte_> pastebin your config
[21:58:08] <lunaphyte_> follow the above instructions.
[21:58:38] <seba4> postfix main.cf master.cf?
[21:58:57] <lunaphyte_> READ
[21:59:04] <lunaphyte_> follow the instructions you were just given.
[21:59:17] <lunaphyte_> STOP ignoring what people write.
[21:59:24] <seba4> !showconfig
[21:59:24] <knoba> seba4: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[22:02:32] <seba4> i hope i did it alright
[22:02:32] <seba4> https://gist.github.com/seba4/6769326
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[22:13:02] <lunaphyte_> seba4: if that is all spam to a valid email address, then you'll need to implement some thgins to fight spam
[22:13:05] <lunaphyte_> *things
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[22:13:50] <seba4> with ? spammassassing?
[22:14:04] <lunaphyte_> !tell seba4 cheatsheet
[22:14:04] <knoba> seba4: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html
[22:14:13] <lunaphyte_> pre queue mechanisms first.
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[22:16:23] <seba4> ok will check it
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[23:53:14] <mark8409> I have a small script that emails alerts when SSH connections are made (http://susepaste.org/94777737) This has been working to email my user on this box when an SSH connection is made. I was told postfix is needed to be able to have this send email to "real" email addresses off this box, but I can't get this working. Anyone able to do some hand-holding?
[23:55:12] <rob0> no, that is not correct. I would suggest a null client.
[23:55:20] <rob0> !nullclient
[23:55:20] <knoba> rob0: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.
[23:55:27] <rob0> !nullclient_software
[23:55:27] <knoba> rob0: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa
[23:55:55] <mark8409> oh? I'll go google. Thanks
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