November 20, 2014 
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November 20, 2014 [00:01:50] <Gustav_> I'll ask in case anyone is around now:[00:01:57] <Gustav_> In the example pasted here (http://jsbin.com/dafojumedo/1/edit?html,output) (Modified earlier by tgaz) - is there a way to link specific images to specific elements? I.e. I'd like to have one core-icon for every chip, and then possibly images within every unique card.[00:04:43] *** dcherman has joined #polymer[00:11:39] *** mven has quit IRC[00:27:50] *** shiftins has quit IRC[00:34:58] <wprater> whats a good way to tell if one is on Chrome 36+? I don’t want to include webplatform.js if so.[00:35:54] <wprater> err webcomponents.js[00:36:54] <Gustav_> Solved my issue from earlier, crisis averted. :)[00:36:58] *** Gustav_ has quit IRC[00:51:49] *** manuelbieh_ has quit IRC[00:59:19] *** knownasilya has quit IRC[01:00:35] *** tpmccallum has joined #polymer[01:02:24] *** dcherman has quit IRC[01:19:45] *** bender_unit has joined #polymer[01:31:26] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[01:31:52] *** rigor789 is now known as rigor789|away[01:45:45] *** github has joined #polymer[01:45:45] <github> [polymer] nevir pushed 1 new commit to 0.8-preview: http://git.io/y5c9zg[01:45:46] <github> polymer/0.8-preview befcded Ian MacLeod: License headers[01:45:46] *** github has left #polymer[01:48:07] *** github has joined #polymer[01:48:07] <github> [polymer] nevir pushed 1 new commit to 0.8-preview: http://git.io/Ct8tlg[01:48:07] <github> polymer/0.8-preview b9bd119 Ian MacLeod: Tests too[01:48:08] *** github has left #polymer[02:08:49] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[02:08:54] *** vloz has quit IRC[02:12:36] *** mven has joined #polymer[02:17:51] *** vloz has joined #polymer[02:31:06] *** edrocks_ has joined #polymer[02:32:19] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[02:37:37] *** bender_unit has quit IRC[02:38:52] *** bender_unit has joined #polymer[02:52:02] *** mven has quit IRC[02:53:18] *** cnbuff410 has quit IRC[02:55:34] *** wprater has quit IRC[03:05:09] *** tpmccallum has quit IRC[03:13:33] *** dcherman has joined #polymer[03:22:17] *** caitp has quit IRC[03:23:12] *** bender_unit has quit IRC[03:33:50] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[03:37:18] *** caitp has joined #polymer[03:38:11] <rhalff> any chance the tests could be made to fail if there are any events fired which are not documented and no method call shall pass if it was not described, like wise any attributes? :-)[03:47:58] *** edrocks_ has quit IRC[03:49:19] *** riskable has quit IRC[03:50:09] *** mxmxmx has quit IRC[04:07:00] *** patrick__ has quit IRC[04:07:20] *** dcherman has quit IRC[04:09:56] *** shiftins has joined #polymer[04:34:40] *** mven has joined #polymer[04:48:27] *** cnbuff410 has joined #polymer[04:52:38] *** github has joined #polymer[04:52:38] <github> [polymer] sorvell pushed 1 new commit to 0.8-preview: http://git.io/pS3bdw[04:52:39] <github> polymer/0.8-preview 766d2ad Steve Orvell: Add toggleClass(name, boolean) which implements the Chrome specific version of classList.toggle(name, boolean)[04:52:39] *** github has left #polymer[04:53:39] *** github has joined #polymer[04:53:39] <github> [polymer] sorvell pushed 1 new commit to 0.8-preview: http://git.io/dPBYaQ[04:53:39] <github> polymer/0.8-preview de0b65f Steve Orvell: Fix issue on IE with annotations failing due to textNodes evacipating when textContent is empty.[04:53:39] *** github has left #polymer[05:01:29] *** tmlbl has joined #polymer[05:08:47] *** skift has joined #polymer[05:09:53] <skift> is it possible for a polymer element to have access to the styles of the main page it is in? such as if I have bootstrap in the main page.[05:10:13] <skift> and making an element that uses bootstrap classes/js[05:22:24] *** patrickarlt has joined #polymer[05:36:53] *** tpmccallum has joined #polymer[05:38:06] <tpmccallum> I am trying to add a prototype to polymer, I am using the code from the you tube talk by Rob Dodson[05:39:58] <tpmccallum> He uses <script> Polymer('my-element', { sayHello: function() { alert('Howdy folks!'); } }); </script>[05:41:44] <tpmccallum> I am calling the element in the html using <my-element></my-element> do I need to reference the sayHello part of the JS code in the HTML? Not sure how to fire the code.[05:48:22] *** patrickarlt has quit IRC[05:54:37] *** shiftins has quit IRC[05:58:42] <tpmccallum> Its ok figured it out, have to have an event driver in the template of the element like <button on-click={{sayHello}}">Click me</button>[06:04:02] *** kbsymanz has joined #polymer[06:05:55] *** kbsymanz has left #polymer[06:10:12] *** tmlbl has quit IRC[10:43:45] *** echelog-1 has joined #polymer[10:44:56] *** mxmxmx is now known as xmxmxm[10:45:34] *** manuelbieh has quit IRC[10:47:43] *** manuelbieh has joined #polymer[11:01:22] *** xmxmxm has quit IRC[11:03:46] *** lfryc has joined #polymer[11:03:46] *** lfryc has joined #polymer[11:03:58] *** lfryc is now known as lfryc|travel[11:13:12] *** lfryc|travel has quit IRC[11:14:13] *** kaos|work has left #polymer[11:15:38] *** xmxmxm has joined #polymer[11:22:44] *** maciejpaprocki has joined #polymer[11:32:25] *** maciejpaprocki has quit IRC[11:50:30] *** cnbuff410 has joined #polymer[11:54:45] *** cnbuff410 has quit IRC[11:59:21] *** max96at|off is now known as max96at[12:26:24] *** Kilo`byte has quit IRC[12:29:28] *** manuelbieh has quit IRC[12:29:52] *** manuelbieh has joined #polymer[12:45:29] *** Kilo`byte has joined #polymer[13:25:12] *** jlebrech has quit IRC[13:27:00] *** xmxmxm has quit IRC[13:32:01] *** maciejpaprocki has joined #polymer[13:39:14] *** xmxmxm has joined #polymer[13:39:16] *** cnbuff410 has joined #polymer[13:43:37] *** cnbuff410 has quit IRC[13:47:41] *** jlebrech has joined #polymer[14:02:04] *** maciejpa_ has joined #polymer[14:03:07] *** Schtive has joined #polymer[14:03:30] *** maciejpaprocki has quit IRC[14:21:21] *** Phloxx has joined #polymer[14:21:24] *** skift has quit IRC[14:23:33] *** hswolff has quit IRC[14:25:14] *** hswolff has joined #polymer[14:32:21] *** maciejpa_ has quit IRC[14:40:40] *** kaos|work_ has joined #polymer[14:41:53] *** kaos|work_ is now known as kaos|work[14:44:55] *** hareth has quit IRC[14:57:43] *** hareth has joined #polymer[15:05:11] *** riskable has joined #polymer[15:07:03] *** maciejpaprocki has joined #polymer[15:28:05] *** cnbuff410 has joined #polymer[15:32:44] *** cnbuff410 has quit IRC[15:33:28] *** olavnymoen has joined #polymer[15:34:58] *** maciejpaprocki has quit IRC[15:36:15] *** knownasilya has joined #polymer[15:39:34] *** mven has quit IRC[15:43:50] *** wilsonpage has quit IRC[15:44:29] *** sourcecube has joined #polymer[15:49:08] *** maciejpaprocki has joined #polymer[15:50:16] *** wilsonpage has joined #polymer[15:56:24] *** mven has joined #polymer[16:14:09] *** yezariael has joined #polymer[16:14:53] *** dcherman has joined #polymer[16:14:57] <yezariael> hey all, since I switched to webcomponents.js instead of platform.js, my app isn't running in firefox anymore. is there anything I need to be on the lookout for?[16:15:54] *** maciejpaprocki has quit IRC[16:16:39] <locks> only firefox?[16:17:20] *** maciejpaprocki has joined #polymer[16:20:01] <yezariael> didn't test on other browsers because I don't need them right now[16:20:28] <yezariael> well, found the solution just now:[16:21:20] <yezariael> I had elements with the property 'publish: { hidden: {...', which actually throws an error, which I refused to acknowledge until now[16:21:45] <yezariael> there's this error saying that overriding 'hidden' is not allowed in some browsers. seems like firefox is one of those[16:28:49] *** cnbuff410 has joined #polymer[16:31:35] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[16:33:25] *** cnbuff410 has quit IRC[16:34:33] <yezariael> also, in Firefox I get the message 'mutating the [[Prototype]] of an object will cause your code to run very slowly; instead create the object with the correct initial [[Prototype]] value using Object.create'. Is there anything I can do about that? I suppose this is not about my code, but about webcomponents.js, correct?[16:38:38] *** hareth has quit IRC[16:47:33] *** ddadlani has joined #polymer[16:49:03] *** wprater has joined #polymer[16:52:59] *** hareth has joined #polymer[17:03:05] *** yezariael has quit IRC[17:16:43] *** olavnymoen has quit IRC[17:20:01] *** sourcecube has quit IRC[17:24:53] *** hareth has quit IRC[17:39:55] *** hareth has joined #polymer[17:43:36] *** mdentinho has joined #polymer[17:46:44] *** cnbuff410 has joined #polymer[17:46:45] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[17:53:15] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[17:53:20] *** hareth has quit IRC[17:57:08] *** kaos|work has quit IRC[17:58:19] *** hareth has joined #polymer[18:02:27] *** mdentinho has quit IRC[18:10:09] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[18:18:23] *** caitp has joined #polymer[18:32:01] *** heathn has quit IRC[18:32:56] *** shiftins has joined #polymer[18:33:16] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[18:50:32] *** patrickarlt has joined #polymer[18:52:55] *** rigor789|away is now known as rigor789[18:56:09] *** jlebrech has quit IRC[18:56:17] *** Schtive has quit IRC[19:02:59] *** munumnu has joined #polymer[19:05:18] *** shiftins has quit IRC[19:07:30] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[19:15:15] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[19:16:46] *** manuelbieh has quit IRC[19:20:01] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[19:21:12] *** xmxmxm has quit IRC[19:21:44] *** shiftins has joined #polymer[19:29:15] *** shiftins has quit IRC[19:33:35] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[19:34:11] *** wprater has quit IRC[19:35:38] *** germ13 has joined #polymer[19:37:38] *** wprater has joined #polymer[19:38:09] *** alho has joined #polymer[19:40:26] *** germ13 has quit IRC[19:41:26] *** germ13 has joined #polymer[19:43:11] *** Schtive has joined #polymer[19:51:00] *** manuelbieh has joined #polymer[19:54:54] *** alho has quit IRC[19:56:17] *** alho has joined #polymer[20:06:01] *** Phloxx has quit IRC[20:10:06] *** hareth has quit IRC[20:11:49] *** alho has quit IRC[20:12:46] *** bender_unit has joined #polymer[20:14:24] *** munumnu has quit IRC[20:15:55] *** dcherman has quit IRC[20:18:03] *** dcherman has joined #polymer[20:23:14] *** alho has joined #polymer[20:24:41] *** maciejpaprocki has quit IRC[20:29:44] *** maciejpaprocki has joined #polymer[20:30:51] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[20:33:04] *** manekinekko has joined #polymer[20:36:43] *** wprater has quit IRC[20:38:49] *** wprater has joined #polymer[20:46:31] *** dcherman2 has joined #polymer[20:50:08] *** dcherman has quit IRC[20:55:39] *** lfryc has joined #polymer[20:55:39] *** lfryc has joined #polymer[21:03:29] *** CapnKlutch has joined #polymer[21:04:40] <CapnKlutch> Hey guys I'm trying to build this in polymer, it's been 3 hours and I still have no clue how, I thought this would be simple. - http://capnklutch.com/wip/todo/[21:08:07] <wprater> whats a good way to tell if one is on Chrome 36+? I don’t want to include webcomponents.js if so.[21:08:58] *** rainabba has joined #polymer[21:09:56] <rainabba> How can I confirm that webcomponents/polymer is properly loaded? For example, with jQuery I can just check for and investigate $.[21:11:55] *** Raynos_ is now known as Raynos[21:13:54] <CapnKlutch> Also how do I change the scaffold color[21:13:55] *** pdr is now known as _pdr_gardener_[21:14:06] *** _pdr_gardener_ is now known as pdr[21:24:55] *** heathn has joined #polymer[21:25:52] <heathn> Hey, can I set a default selected item in paper-dropdown-menu?[21:27:30] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer[21:29:35] *** lfryc has quit IRC[21:30:55] *** edrocks_ has joined #polymer[21:34:53] *** rigor789 is now known as rigor789|away[21:35:47] *** elsigh has joined #polymer[21:36:42] <elsigh> Is there any way to set an observe watcher for all published properties programmatically?[21:37:10] <elsigh> I tried setting up attributeChanged handlers in the create fn[21:37:46] <elsigh> I mean created, but alas I suspect that Polymer examines the prototype and doesn't see it at constructor time and therefore doesn't set up the watcher[21:40:30] <CapnKlutch> A whole bunch of questions and no answers, this is how new technologies die quickly[21:42:43] *** lfryc has joined #polymer[21:42:44] <elsigh> irc is just not so huge for devs these days I think[21:43:48] <CapnKlutch> elsigh, it is for php, mysql, javascript, and most other languages. It's just that polymer is new and no one is sharing with us what and how to do things[21:44:24] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: OR it's not though it is a great example of how to be impatient :) I could be off (even though I'm sitting on the Mountain View campus with most of the Chrome Team Leads), but 1) IRC does't carry the weight it once did and a better place to get support is https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/polymer-dev though IRC is a good place to start if you want a chance at a really fast[21:44:25] <rainabba> answer. 2) Most of the top polymer devs are sitting in one of 2 rooms right now and are busy interacting at the Chrome Dev Summit so they can't be here right this moment.[21:45:36] <CapnKlutch> tutorials are scarce, I mean all I want is to change the background-color on the <core-toolbar> element and simple css doesn't seem to work[21:45:37] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: Are you watching the dev summit footage and participating on the live panels where you can express such opinions and ask questions live?[21:45:39] <CapnKlutch> like wtf[21:46:32] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, Some devs just want to pick up polymer and go, no I'm not watching it[21:46:34] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: The whole point of web components is the shadow-dom and encapsulation which means NOT changing things inside web components directly. You could fork the project and extend it to make the background color a parameter (attribute) on the component though.[21:47:08] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: Some people just want to be billionairs too, but most things in life frustratingly require effort and knowledge before success can be achived.[21:47:11] <CapnKlutch> y should it be so hard to change the background color[21:47:22] <rainabba> "Web Components"[21:47:24] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, I like that ^[21:47:33] <CapnKlutch> Gay Components[21:47:38] <rainabba> So don't use it.[21:47:52] <CapnKlutch> But it looks so nice except for the purple color[21:47:56] <rainabba> Like any system, it must be used according to its design.[21:48:39] <CapnKlutch> Google is all about customization and I think changing the color won't hurt the design[21:48:51] <rainabba> Google: "Styling polymer components": https://www.polymer-project.org/articles/styling-elements.html[21:49:01] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, can you tell me how to change it in the component[21:49:10] <CapnKlutch> Thanks ^[21:49:28] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: And Polymer (web components) is all about custom, that doesn't change the nature of system.[21:49:58] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: No I cannot because "the component" is a black box and I (and you) have no idea what it's made up of. That's the whole point :)[21:50:19] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, so how do I change the color?[21:50:19] <rainabba> As I said, you can fork the component itself, learn it and extend it.[21:50:30] <CapnKlutch> the css I tried didn't work[21:51:20] <rainabba> I've answered that a few ways already. I think you might want to go back and revaluate your understanding of web components and why you want to use them and how to use them if you really do.[21:51:51] <CapnKlutch> All I really want is to use the design aspects and the animations, is there another way?[21:52:16] <CapnKlutch> I don't really care too much for the components[21:52:19] <rainabba> A way other than using the component the way it's intended OR fork/extend it? No.[21:52:29] <rainabba> Again, don't use them then.[21:52:45] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, ok thank you[21:52:53] <rainabba> Welcome[21:53:18] <elsigh> CapnKlutch: There's always Flash[21:53:37] <CapnKlutch> elsigh, ummm no![21:53:44] * elsigh was kidding[21:53:47] <CapnKlutch> lol[21:54:21] <elsigh> rainabba is right though - if you want to use this tech you need to invest a bit of time to understand how it works and why it's different than status quo[21:55:18] <CapnKlutch> elsigh, agreed, but the tutorials are not there[21:55:39] <CapnKlutch> some people, like me don't understand the documentation[21:55:41] <elsigh> There's not yet a huge community and a lot of use patterns[21:55:47] <elsigh> it's relatively new[21:56:02] <elsigh> Have you tried the polymer builder?[21:56:08] <CapnKlutch> more of a hands on learning for me[21:56:15] <CapnKlutch> yes I'm using it now[21:56:18] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: Keep in mind that Polymer is barely 0.8 and since it's not stable (just graduated from "experiment" status), documenation will be lacking.[21:56:50] <rainabba> "not stable" meaning not 1.0, not to say that it's "unstable" in practice.[21:56:54] <CapnKlutch> Only if I could figure out the color change everything would be peachy[21:57:37] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, From what I see the documentation is extensive I just can't read any documentation to save my life[21:57:59] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: Your question and insistance highlights your real issue which is understaning web components. So long as you don't, you will have a hard time manipulating them. Webcomponents are fundamentally different from 'the web' you already know and you're trying to think of it as if it's not.[21:58:35] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, I think that is the inherent problem[21:58:46] <CapnKlutch> I see the web just like any other web dev[21:59:18] <elsigh> This is why web components are better (and worse) - they're different[21:59:37] <elsigh> If you just want a component framework there are gobs of them[21:59:48] <elsigh> jqueryui etc..[22:00:11] <CapnKlutch> I found this on stackoverflow - but it doesn't seem to work - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24966005/polymer-change-core-toolbar-from-tall-to-normal[22:10:05] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: And it shouldn't. AGain, you need to work on your conceptual understanding of web components. CSS is scoped to the component VERY intentionally so you cannot control it from outside the component. The component CAN expose a parameter which it can use and you could then set that parameter which brings me back to: fork and extend.[22:11:07] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, ya I decided to give up, is there any way I can get the cool animations elsewhere, like another library that might be similar[22:11:48] <rainabba> Even if you can change the background-color of the component, you have no way of knowing if it's being overridden inside the component and you have no way of changing such behavior from outside the component.[22:12:29] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: Absolutely. Angular has some awesome directives that can do many of the same things (and nearly all the same Material UI styles/animations).[22:13:17] <CapnKlutch> So Angular.js is where I should look?[22:13:27] <rainabba> I'm sure there are plenty of other libraries too though i can't say I know them personally. For the most part jQuery is the only large library I used until I adopted Angular and I'm not even using Polymer yet myself because I'm not sure it's mature enough for my own needs.[22:14:34] *** lfryc has quit IRC[22:14:56] <CapnKlutch> rainabba, thanks for the advice and time[22:18:22] <rainabba> CapnKlutch: Yes, but be warned, it has an even more steep learning curve.[22:19:29] <rainabba> You're welcome. Also, know that the Polymer team is working their ass off and really enthusiastic, but it is a very new and unique tool for the web. On top of its inherent complexity, they're also working hard to make sure there is support in other browsers which exponentially complicates matters.[22:25:49] *** jyasskin has quit IRC[22:29:23] *** tmlbl has joined #polymer[22:37:52] *** ACSmith has joined #polymer[22:43:37] *** edrocks_ has quit IRC[22:56:52] *** jlebrech has joined #polymer[23:01:57] *** edrocks_ has joined #polymer[23:02:06] *** jlebrech has quit IRC[23:06:12] *** dcherman has joined #polymer[23:06:14] *** wprater has quit IRC[23:08:58] *** dcherman2 has quit IRC[23:12:52] <heathn> Hey, can I set a default selected item in paper-dropdown-menu?[23:14:00] *** wprater has joined #polymer[23:17:53] *** dcherman2 has joined #polymer[23:19:57] *** olavnymoen has joined #polymer[23:21:12] *** dcherman has quit IRC[23:21:31] *** max96at is now known as max96at|off[23:22:34] *** dcherman2 has quit IRC[23:25:29] *** hofi has joined #polymer[23:27:59] *** hofi has left #polymer[23:28:23] *** caitp has quit IRC[23:31:49] *** dcherman has joined #polymer[23:46:26] *** mven has quit IRC[23:48:40] *** olavnymoen has quit IRC[23:49:52] *** jyasskin has joined #polymer