March 12, 2019 
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March 12, 2019 [00:01:30] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has joined #openzfs[00:05:01] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:30:36] *** antranigv <antranigv!uid339677@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxitndcfudfjsjpk> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:35:37] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@94.6.62.238> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[01:07:40] *** jro` <jro`!~jro@76-236-221-84.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:07:57] <zfs> [openzfs/openzfs] 8727 Native data and metadata encryption for zfs (#489) new commit by Jorgen Lundman <https://github.com/openzfs/openzfs/pull/489/files/3496f325dbb5cecf71c5d8ced23f113d3dd59f4c..ba607da584ca3b58331a9a098c8c4905ec7366a7>[01:18:50] *** michaeldexter <michaeldexter!~michaelde@c-67-170-143-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: michaeldexter)[02:47:21] *** Essadon <Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Qutting)[04:38:27] *** elxa <elxa!~elxa@2a01:5c0:e082:e3e1:b793:be08:898f:59b8> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:51:48] *** elxa <elxa!~elxa@2a01:5c0:e087:50d1:d57d:739d:6c10:a1c2> has joined #openzfs[04:53:44] *** michaeldexter <michaeldexter!~michaelde@c-67-170-143-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined #openzfs[05:05:19] *** elxa <elxa!~elxa@2a01:5c0:e087:50d1:d57d:739d:6c10:a1c2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:24:18] *** jro` <jro`!~jro@76-236-221-84.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net> has joined #openzfs[07:07:21] *** DHE <DHE!~dhe@rubyweapon.execulink.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[07:17:06] *** DHE <DHE!~dhe@rubyweapon.execulink.net> has joined #openzfs[07:39:18] *** ct16k <ct16k!~ryan@78.96.221.131> has joined #openzfs[08:07:10] <zfs> [openzfs/openzfs] 8727 Native data and metadata encryption for zfs (#489) new commit by Jorgen Lundman <https://github.com/openzfs/openzfs/pull/489/files/378be2c3931dcabb4273b48a911254aaffbfd1e2..20f2579bdcc683b149457544bcc0d59f6f1bef32>[08:12:23] *** michaeldexter_ <michaeldexter_!~michaelde@c-67-170-143-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined #openzfs[08:12:25] *** michaeldexter <michaeldexter!~michaelde@c-67-170-143-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:12:25] *** michaeldexter_ is now known as michaeldexter[08:15:10] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:17:56] *** ct16k <ct16k!~ryan@78.96.221.131> has quit IRC (Quit: What does this button do?)[08:20:56] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has joined #openzfs[09:26:32] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@94.6.62.238> has joined #openzfs[09:40:30] *** AllanJude <AllanJude!~allan@freebsd/developer/AllanJude> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[10:10:00] *** michaeldexter <michaeldexter!~michaelde@c-67-170-143-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: michaeldexter)[10:12:21] *** perfinio1 <perfinio1!perfinion@gentoo/developer/perfinion> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:12:55] *** perfinion <perfinion!perfinion@gentoo/developer/perfinion> has joined #openzfs[10:30:00] *** jubal <jubal!~jubal@226-5-237-24.gci.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:31:48] *** jubal <jubal!~jubal@226-5-237-24.gci.net> has joined #openzfs[11:19:33] *** idwer <idwer!~idwer@unaffiliated/idwer> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[12:22:44] *** ct16k <ct16k!~ryan@78.96.221.131> has joined #openzfs[13:42:08] *** bn_work <bn_work!uid268505@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-owutmdseubfaftqu> has joined #openzfs[13:51:06] *** Essadon <Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #openzfs[13:58:15] *** sindan <sindan!~admin@125.red-81-42-200.staticip.rima-tde.net> has joined #openzfs[14:02:34] <sindan> A replication stream will delete snapshots at the destination that don't exist at the source. But what about the other way around? If pool-org has (chronologically ordered) snapshots a, b, c, d with d most recent, and pool-dst has a, c, d. Will this create b at the destination?[14:14:00] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:48:14] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openzfs[15:00:45] *** m0nkey__ <m0nkey__!~m0nkey_@unaffiliated/m0nkey/x-9907533> has joined #openzfs[15:01:09] *** jbk_ <jbk_!jbk@syzygy.io> has joined #openzfs[15:02:29] *** cljm_ <cljm_!~cljm@unaffiliated/cljm> has joined #openzfs[15:05:08] *** vertigo_ <vertigo_!~chris@unaffiliated/anunnaki> has joined #openzfs[15:05:09] *** PMT_ <PMT_!~PMT@pool-100-33-69-155.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #openzfs[15:09:39] *** Essadon <Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:39] *** cljm <cljm!~cljm@unaffiliated/cljm> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:39] *** vertigo <vertigo!~chris@unaffiliated/anunnaki> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:39] *** m0nkey_ <m0nkey_!~m0nkey_@unaffiliated/m0nkey/x-9907533> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:39] *** jbk <jbk!jbk@syzygy.io> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:39] *** PMT <PMT!~PMT@pool-100-33-69-155.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:39] *** copec <copec!~copec@schrodbox.unaen.org> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:39] *** ayan <ayan!~ayan@147.137.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:09:40] *** dasjoe <dasjoe!~dasjoe@americangirlscouts.org> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[15:21:29] *** idwer <idwer!~idwer@unaffiliated/idwer> has joined #openzfs[15:22:06] *** jbk_ is now known as jbk[15:23:54] *** elxa <elxa!~elxa@2a01:5c0:e087:50d1:d57d:739d:6c10:a1c2> has joined #openzfs[15:24:19] *** m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_[15:27:32] *** m0nkey_ <m0nkey_!~m0nkey_@unaffiliated/m0nkey/x-9907533> has quit IRC (Quit: Quit)[15:29:41] *** m0nkey_ <m0nkey_!~m0nkey_@unaffiliated/m0nkey/x-9907533> has joined #openzfs[15:36:00] *** AllanJude <AllanJude!~allan@freebsd/developer/AllanJude> has joined #openzfs[16:14:39] *** Essadon <Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #openzfs[16:17:43] <DHE> sindan: no, you can't insert a snapshot into history. it must move chronologically. if you wanted to insert a 'b', you'd need to destroy c & d, then start over again[16:19:18] *** JMoVS <JMoVS!STlV8TNA2n@hamal.uberspace.de> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[16:19:38] *** JMoVS <JMoVS!ynM0r7nAf6@hamal.uberspace.de> has joined #openzfs[16:31:52] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:44:56] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openzfs[16:55:24] *** tgunr <tgunr!~davec@47.152.8.89> has joined #openzfs[17:09:34] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[17:22:31] <luke-jr> btrfs can, but it's so much slower XD[17:24:13] <PMT_> luke-jr: the snarky remark would be "if correctness is not required, things can be made infinitely faster"[17:27:49] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openzfs[17:28:55] *** donhw <donhw!~quassel@host-184-167-36-51.jcs-wy.client.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:29:58] *** donhw <donhw!~quassel@host-184-167-36-51.jcs-wy.client.bresnan.net> has joined #openzfs[17:44:23] *** Ximalas <Ximalas!Ximalas@enterprise.ximalas.info> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[18:13:59] <sindan> DHE, thx, I thought so[18:14:10] *** Ximalas <Ximalas!Ximalas@enterprise.ximalas.info> has joined #openzfs[18:15:19] <sindan> luke-jr, btrfs can? not changing filesystems, just curious...[18:46:36] <PMT_> sindan: btrfs uses a different approach to get the cool features ZFS gets from certain guarantees like not rewriting history. If it were robust and stable I might even run it. But I am more willing to bet on something like bcachefs being stable first.[18:46:38] *** jubal_ <jubal_!~jubal@226-5-237-24.gci.net> has joined #openzfs[18:47:12] *** jubal <jubal!~jubal@226-5-237-24.gci.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:54:23] *** Izorkin <Izorkin!~Izorkin@elven.pw> has joined #openzfs[18:58:23] *** donhw <donhw!~quassel@host-184-167-36-51.jcs-wy.client.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:59:38] *** donhw <donhw!~quassel@host-184-167-36-51.jcs-wy.client.bresnan.net> has joined #openzfs[19:03:53] <DHE> btrfs is more ad-hoc and flexible. ZFS is more rigid and consistent.[19:03:55] <DHE> (and stable)[19:07:53] *** michaeldexter <michaeldexter!~michaelde@c-67-170-143-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined #openzfs[19:50:01] <luke-jr> sindan: btrfs does snapshots by making a recursive CoW copy; so it's slow because it's going and incrementing the refcount for everything[19:50:28] <luke-jr> (or at least that's my understanding; I'm no expert on it)[20:23:56] <DHE> sindan: one thing about send/recv is that the process is entirely one-way, pipe-based. the sender must know what the receiver has/needs to be useful, and the receiver will either discard what's necessary (if configured to do so) or it will fail typically causing a broken pipe[20:24:17] <DHE> this is why several scripts exist by various authors for replication, adding the 2-way intelligence'[20:33:42] *** TheFuzzball <TheFuzzball!~TheFuzzba@81.2.156.49> has joined #openzfs[20:45:39] *** rlaager <rlaager!~rlaager@grape.coderich.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1ubuntu0.1 - http://znc.in)[20:50:37] *** TheFuzzball <TheFuzzball!~TheFuzzba@81.2.156.49> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[20:53:26] *** TheFuzzball <TheFuzzball!~TheFuzzba@81.2.156.49> has joined #openzfs[20:54:41] *** rlaager <rlaager!~rlaager@grape.coderich.net> has joined #openzfs[21:15:44] *** TheFuzzball <TheFuzzball!~TheFuzzba@81.2.156.49> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[21:22:01] *** TheFuzzball <TheFuzzball!~TheFuzzba@81.2.156.49> has joined #openzfs[21:55:08] <tgunr> anyone using zrep? http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/zrep/zrep.documentation.html#replication[22:06:00] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:17:36] <jbk> on illumos, yes[22:25:51] <tgunr> been using syncoid[23:06:57] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has joined #openzfs[23:28:14] *** divine <divine!~divine@2001:470:8247:1::31> has joined #openzfs[23:35:53] *** lystra <lystra!~lystra@d53-64-11-169.nap.wideopenwest.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:36:24] *** TheFuzzball <TheFuzzball!~TheFuzzba@81.2.156.49> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[23:45:22] *** TheFuzzball <TheFuzzball!~TheFuzzba@81.2.156.49> has joined #openzfs[23:58:30] *** jro` <jro`!~jro@76-236-221-84.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)