February 8, 2018 
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*** cbreak <cbreak!~cbreak@46-126-120-226.dynamic.hispeed.ch> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[08:19:33] *** cbreak <cbreak!~cbreak@46-126-120-226.dynamic.hispeed.ch> has joined #openzfs[08:19:44] *** enoch__85 <enoch__85!25f71ea4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.247.30.164> has joined #openzfs[08:21:47] <enoch__85> hey guys, I gt a new firewall and installed pfSense 2.4.2 with ZFS and did a GEOM partition for Swap. Now when I want to reformat it it says that GEOM Files Exists. How do I remove the GEOM partition completly so that I can re-install pfSense *without* a GEOM partition for SWAP?[08:28:27] <cbreak> enoch__85: dd /dev/zero to the first few MB? :)[08:28:40] <cbreak> or maybe use a gpt partition editor?[08:28:55] <cbreak> no idea what OS you're running[08:29:04] <cbreak> but OS X has "gpt"[08:32:48] <enoch__85> cbreak: pfSense runs on FreeBSD[08:33:23] <cbreak> they probably also have a partition editor for gpt[08:33:45] <enoch__85> the pfSense installer doesn't manage to reformat it seems, so I have to do it manually, but I'm very novice nwhen it comes to FreeBSD, I'm a Linux guy[08:34:21] <enoch__85> it's two SATA-DOM devices in a RAID, and fdisk -l gives me a monsterus output[08:34:34] <enoch__85> hard to find exactly which device I'm going to remove or format[08:37:16] <enoch__85> cbreak: where would you start?[08:37:32] <enoch__85> I mean when having shell access, which commands would you type?[08:37:57] <cbreak> why raid? for a router? :/[08:38:14] <cbreak> I'd probably dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/thatdevice bs=1m count=10 or so[08:38:38] <enoch__85> cbreak: ok, so how do I find which device holds the GEOM partition?[08:38:57] <enoch__85> it's XFS and I'm used to regular ext4[08:39:01] <enoch__85> ZFS**[08:41:29] <cbreak> do you have other disks attached?[08:41:52] <cbreak> enoch__85: there's no difference between ZFS and other filesystems when it comes to partitioning of the underlying device[08:42:04] <cbreak> it's the same as with ext4[08:42:26] <cbreak> zfs stores its data inside a partition, but the outside is still normal GPT[08:46:34] <enoch__85> cbreak: the only two disks that are active is the 2 SATA-DOM devices[08:46:41] <enoch__85> which is in a ZFS MIRROR[08:46:56] <cbreak> well, if you want to repartition you'll have to destroy that[08:47:14] <cbreak> (maybe it works without... but I'm not convinced :)[08:48:18] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@213.164.31.89> has joined #openzfs[08:48:27] <enoch__85> so ZFS destroy?[08:49:35] <enoch__85> cbreak: https://cloud.techandme.se/s/Z9Hw4JGnKRozMo3[08:55:08] <enoch__85> cbreak: this is the error I get when trying to re-install pfSense: https://cloud.techandme.se/s/aSMwkXqmeEP9wWq[08:55:44] <enoch__85> does ZFS allow me to destroy active devices?[08:55:53] <enoch__85> Or do I have to boot from a USB stick?[08:56:12] <enoch__85> The problem with booting from a USB stick is that it won't detect the active drives (afaik)[09:02:02] <cbreak> enoch__85: you can destroy active devices, but not without unmounting them[09:02:22] <cbreak> on os x, zpool destroy unmounts, but you can't unmount the root[09:02:48] <cbreak> if you boot from USB, then you can destroy the pool the primitive way: with dd :)[09:26:57] <enoch__85> cbreak: solved it! hasg out /dev/mirror/swap in fstab, reboot, gmirror stop swap, gmirror destroy swap[09:27:08] *** ct16k <ct16k!~ryan@78.96.222.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[09:27:21] *** Yada <Yada!~Yada@88.190.10.137> has joined #openzfs[09:27:27] <enoch__85> cbreak: now, let's see if it allwos me to re-install[09:27:36] <enoch__85> (spelling)[09:30:15] <cbreak> what the hell is gmirror?[09:45:11] <enoch__85> cbreak: geom_mirror[09:45:26] <enoch__85> fyi, it let me reinstall[09:45:28] <enoch__85> problem solved[09:48:09] *** tozhu1 <tozhu1!~Thunderbi@223.85.203.28> has joined #openzfs[09:48:17] <cbreak> enoch__85: why would you use that?[09:48:22] <cbreak> zfs can do proper mirrors[09:48:33] <cbreak> having such logic below zfs is crazy[09:48:50] <cbreak> (I'm assuming this is like a software raid in os x or linux)[09:49:32] <enoch__85> cbreak: we have been talking about pfSense all the time[09:49:47] <cbreak> I was talking about zfs[09:49:55] <enoch__85> and in pfsense you can choose to mirror the swap partition which results in a geom_mirror[09:50:19] <enoch__85> the reason I'm here is that I thought gmirror had something to do with zfs[10:17:30] *** glasspelican <glasspelican!~quassel@ktnron060ww-lp140-02-70-27-168-98.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[10:47:07] *** Yada <Yada!~Yada@88.190.10.137> has quit IRC (Quit: Yada)[10:53:18] *** michaeldexter <michaeldexter!~michaelde@c-73-157-221-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: michaeldexter)[10:55:49] <enoch__85> cbreak: for reference: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=143803.0[11:03:26] *** Yada <Yada!~Yada@88.190.10.137> has joined #openzfs[11:24:23] <kapsel> enoch__85: don't use satadoms in raids, not even mirrors - SMCI does not cover warranty(!) if you do so, just a heads up[11:25:00] <kapsel> and would overall recommend to stay away from them where possible, i lost 3 the past 6 months[11:26:02] <kapsel> don't ask me why, i don't see why it would make any difference to use satadoms in mirrors compared to single drives, but now they 3 times told me thats the reason for them to break :)[11:32:29] <DeHackEd> supermicro SATA DOM? Those things have pretty disappointing endurance. that probably doesn't help[11:32:53] <kapsel> DeHackEd: yeah[11:32:59] <kapsel> they're crap[11:33:20] <DeHackEd> they're cool as high-speed "USB sticks" on the SATA bus instead, but that's how you have to treat them[11:43:15] <enoch__85> we've used SATA DOMs in all our latest builds (5 so far) without any issues[11:43:19] *** tozhu1 is now known as tozhu[11:43:43] <enoch__85> but what you are saying is that ZFS in combination with SATA DOM is an even worse option? UFS if better in thet case?[11:43:53] <enoch__85> kapsel: DeHackEd --^[11:44:29] <kapsel> i'm never using sata doms from smci again[11:44:39] <enoch__85> I've used a SATA DOM (Supermicro) in my OPNsense for 1 year now, no issues[11:45:13] <DeHackEd> I wish they came in smaller sizes, like 2 GB. So I could justify putting my /boot and EFI partitions on it and nothing else.[11:45:42] <enoch__85> kapsel: you didn't even get a SMART error? They just collapsed? :S[11:46:09] <DeHackEd> put my bootload, kernels and initrd onto them. and utilities like EFI shells, firmware flash apps, etc.[11:46:12] <DeHackEd> that's what they're intended for[11:47:53] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@223.85.203.28> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[11:54:20] <enoch__85> kapsel: thanks for the heads up: https://www.supermicro.com/datasheet/datasheet_SuperDOM.pdf[12:00:16] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@5ec0fdb3.skybroadband.com> has joined #openzfs[12:21:26] <enoch__85> kapsel: ding some reasearch using the as boot drive (meaning that I'll host pfsense on it) would work[12:21:49] <enoch__85> I also called the vendor and he said that he got just a few back of all the thousands he've sold[12:21:58] <enoch__85> so I fell pretty confident it will work[12:22:01] <enoch__85> feel[12:22:34] <enoch__85> kapsel: how did you use your SATA DOMs? For storage?[12:24:13] <kapsel> enoch__85: OS[12:24:31] <enoch__85> kapsel: many users?[12:24:43] <enoch__85> or large network?[12:24:50] <kapsel> not really[12:24:54] <kapsel> used for freebsd[12:25:12] <enoch__85> I mean the pfSense box will only write logs and such to disk[12:25:14] <enoch__85> nothing else[12:25:17] <enoch__85> right?[12:25:33] <kapsel> yeah I guess :)[12:33:40] <enoch__85> kapsel: you must have very bad luck then[12:34:05] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@213.164.31.89> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:43:11] <monsted> never rule out the option of incompetence[12:44:33] * monsted tapes kapsel to a door and runs away laughing[12:44:40] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@213.164.31.89> has joined #openzfs[12:47:28] <kapsel> :)[12:51:24] *** Yada <Yada!~Yada@88.190.10.137> has quit IRC (Quit: Yada)[12:54:10] *** Karbowiak <Karbowiak!~Karbowiak@83-93-68-79-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:55:09] 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