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[00:00:41] <openzfsslackbot> [Dan Kimmel, OpenZFS] sure, anything's possible ;). I don't know of anyone who has done it, though.
[00:01:23] <DeHackEd> yes, there's a copy-builtin script to assist
[00:01:41] <DeHackEd> you have to prep and build like you're going to make the module, then run the script and it'll install it into the kernel complete with config options
[00:01:50] <DeHackEd> of course, the resulting binary is a license violation and can't be redistirbuted
[00:05:25] <copumpkin> I wasn't planning to redistribute it, but is that still true? I thought canonical had done a legal review and concluded it wasn't actually that bad
[00:05:42] <copumpkin> did I just open a hornet's nest by talking about legality of CDDL and GPL interactions?
[00:05:46] <copumpkin> I can retract that question
[00:06:23] <pcd> I think the answer is "depends on which lawyers you believe"
[00:06:50] <copumpkin> "whichever ones are most convenient for what I'm trying to do" :D
[00:07:34] <pcd> well, until it actually gets resolved in court, the *safe* answer is "only do things that all lawyers agree will not get you got"
[00:07:40] <pcd> certainly doing it for personal use is safe
[00:07:44] <copumpkin> yeah
[00:07:49] <DeHackEd> it also depends on whether you bind the two separately licensed objects into a single file, or if they're distributed in a different form as a separate package
[00:07:49] <copumpkin> I do generally try to avoid getting got
[00:07:56] <copumpkin> ah
[00:08:08] * copumpkin <- clueless, if not obvious
[00:08:31] <DeHackEd> this is where it gets murky. some people think the two-package system is legit, some people think anything that CAN be linked into the kernel is automatically a derivative of it and therefore GPL licensed
[00:08:42] <pcd> yeah, the details of what exactly constitutes a derived product and at what point you've violated the GPL is, like, deeply unclear
[00:08:45] <pcd> right
[00:08:45] <copumpkin> sounds deeply philosophical
[00:09:10] <DeHackEd> I recall Linus is of the opinion that he doesn't care what modules people load. not that it matters really..
[00:09:56] <pcd> there isn't a huge amount of law on the subject iirc, so any case that comes out of it is going to involve a lot of "trying to explain stuff to the judge" and then seeing what they say
[00:10:26] <pcd> I wonder if the fact that APIs are copyrightable has any bearing
[00:10:32] <copumpkin> who would be doing the suing in this hypothetical world? are people afraid of Oracle going after them, or a GPL person?
[00:10:51] <copumpkin> or I guess one of the openzfs developers could be doing that nowadays
[00:11:11] <DeHackEd> well oracle isn't in the community's good graces. and linus himself said he doesn't care so not him
[00:11:53] <pcd> iirc https://sfconservancy.org/ made noises when it happened
[00:12:01] <pcd> but that doesn't mean they'd actually be doing it
[00:13:20] <pcd> I *think* anyone with a significant chunk of linux kernel code wtih license assigned to them has standing? but I really don't know
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[04:16:20] <mason> copumpkin: http://slackwiki.com/ZFS_root_%28builtin%29
[04:34:42] <copumpkin> thanks :) but I'm not really looking for a way to do ZFS root
[04:34:58] <copumpkin> oh I see
[04:35:01] <copumpkin> never mind, that looks good :)
[04:36:26] <copumpkin> that is a massive page!
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