October 14, 2011 
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October 14, 2011 [00:00:00] <Triskelios> Ourobo: went offline by itself again?[00:00:06] <Statts> yes, using DHCP, thanks[00:00:20] <Statts> at boot screen, hostname has come up[00:00:25] <Statts> looks good so far[00:01:27] <Ourobo> man, i am really glad i have raid-z2, but i just hope it will be enough[00:01:44] <Ourobo> currently two drives are already partially failing[00:02:24] <Triskelios> replace at least one pronto[00:02:43] <Ourobo> dont have a replacement :( i am trying to figure out what kind to get[00:03:39] <Ourobo> i am thinking of upgrading to 2 TB drives, but it looks like they are all 4K sector now, which will not work will with this pool which is ashift=9[00:04:18] <Ourobo> i am also not quite understanding why everything is failing all of a sudden--does that "same batch" problem actually happen?[00:05:35] <Statts> that worked. Thanks Triskelios and Ourobo[00:18:50] *** cnu has quit IRC[00:19:06] *** APTX has quit IRC[00:19:46] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[00:20:04] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[00:20:04] *** encode has quit IRC[00:20:35] *** ImTheBitch has quit IRC[00:20:50] *** APTX has quit IRC[00:21:00] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[00:21:22] *** ImTheBitch has joined #opensolaris[00:21:54] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris[00:21:59] *** spanglywires has joined #opensolaris[00:25:48] *** encode has joined #opensolaris[00:29:57] <Ourobo> oh boy, now this drive wont even turn on at all :([00:41:05] *** Alasdairrr is now known as AlasAway[00:41:16] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[00:43:13] *** Statts has quit IRC[00:43:54] <Ourobo> yep, that drive shat a brick... does not even show up in bios anymore[00:53:59] *** Z` has quit IRC[01:00:18] *** mustang has joined #opensolaris[01:04:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Triskelios[01:11:29] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[01:14:04] <Ourobo> there is no way to change the zfs ashift value after the pool is created, correct?[01:18:07] *** hando has quit IRC[01:18:07] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[01:18:45] *** deet has left #opensolaris[01:27:26] *** spanglywires has joined #opensolaris[01:29:31] *** spanglywires has left #opensolaris[01:40:01] *** kimc has quit IRC[01:40:48] <linux00002> Is there no automated installer iso for Solaris?[01:45:26] *** dduvall has quit IRC[01:52:16] *** spanglywires has joined #opensolaris[01:52:44] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[02:03:47] <alanc> there is[02:05:15] <alanc> for Solaris 11 Express 2010.11, you just have to scroll down a bit on http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html[02:08:18] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** ginabc has joined #opensolaris[02:10:22] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[02:10:41] <linux00002> alanc: What about Solaris 10?[02:11:09] <alanc> AI was a new creation for Solaris 11/OpenSolaris[02:11:25] <alanc> for Solaris 10, you use jumpstart, which 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#opensolaris[19:29:52] *** kdavy__ has quit IRC[19:32:11] *** kdavy__ has joined #opensolaris[19:35:21] *** kdavy_ has quit IRC[19:38:47] *** kdavy has joined #opensolaris[19:39:27] *** kdavy__ has quit IRC[20:02:25] *** calumb has quit IRC[20:10:57] *** echobinary has quit IRC[20:14:42] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[20:15:10] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[20:27:15] *** Disorganized is now known as zz_Disorganized[20:35:11] *** thistle_ has joined #opensolaris[21:03:56] <gwr> Can anyone find me an example of symbol renaming in a linker mapfile-vers?[21:04:21] <gwr> i.e. in some prior version symbol foo_func is now implemented with foo_func_v2[21:04:45] <gwr> where presumably the latest foo_fun is v3, or something.[21:10:19] *** ginabc has joined #opensolaris[21:13:56] <richlowe> The question you want to ask, instead, would involve a description of what you're doing. :)[21:14:46] *** ginabc has quit IRC[21:14:56] <richlowe> 'cos I think I can guess what you're wanting to achieve, but I wouldn't really like it even if you succeeded[21:19:51] <jbk> gwr: i thought a lot of taht was done via #pragma extname (or something like that)[21:20:21] <gwr> Yes, for source-level compatibility issues.[21:20:31] <richlowe> my point still stands.[21:21:00] <gwr> I'm researching the details of ABI symbol versioning.[21:21:19] <richlowe> In that instance, you do what is described in usr/src/lib/README.mapfiles[21:21:23] <gwr> What happens for an old app. that calls stat expecting an old (32-bit) stat arg?[21:21:30] <gwr> no, its' not. I read that.[21:21:46] <richlowe> No, I don't mean what you're asking is answered there, I mean _you should not, and perhaps cannot, do what you're asking_[21:22:23] <richlowe> in the case of stat, which 'stat' is invoked is controlled by the largefile environment, and the ifdef's when built.[21:22:25] <gwr> So, we don't ever support running applications linked with an old library interface version[21:22:26] <gwr> ?[21:22:37] <richlowe> We do not change the ABI of public interfaces.[21:23:10] <gwr> or are you saying such interface versions can _never_ have incompatible versions of a function that (for example) requries different args in a later version?[21:23:14] <richlowe> and we don't care about the compatibility of private ones, beyond sending out the flag days.[21:23:32] <gwr> It has happened, though, right? (changes to public ABIs)[21:24:35] <gwr> So are you saying that the library symbol version stuff is incapabable of doing this? or are you just saying it's a bad idea?[21:24:45] <richlowe> I don't know of any instance in which it's been done on purpose.[21:24:50] <richlowe> re: "has happened"[21:25:03] <richlowe> To the best of my knowledge, both.[21:25:41] <gwr> So, is there any support for running some old application compiled expecting 32-bit sizes in stat results, etc?[21:25:41] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[21:25:48] <gwr> (and 16-bit uid/gids, etc)[21:25:55] <richlowe> I just told you how that worked, re: stat[21:26:19] <gwr> you told me how source-level compatibility works.[21:26:27] <gwr> I'm asking about run-time, not compile.[21:27:12] <richlowe> No, I told you how the binary compatibility works.[21:27:25] <gwr> anything #ifdef or #prgma redefine extname is compile time.[21:27:28] <richlowe> if you built "non-largefile" the stat() you call is stat(), which returns a struct stat[21:27:42] <richlowe> if you built largefile, you call stat64(), and 'struct stat' is a 'struct stat64'[21:27:49] <richlowe> read sys/stat.h[21:28:16] <gwr> OK, so my answer is really the new "stat" is not really named "stat".[21:28:17] <gwr> OK.[21:28:53] <richlowe> the takeaway is, "A public interface should never change"[21:28:58] <richlowe> at the ABI level.[21:29:06] <gwr> Back in the SysV days, I remember seeing some symbol renames in mapfiles.[21:29:29] <gwr> Well, that's one way to handle it. 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