October 12, 2011 
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October 12, 2011 [00:31:19] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[00:49:31] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[00:58:12] *** IDoNotKn1w is now known as IDoNotKnow[01:00:42] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[01:01:38] *** kdavy has quit IRC[01:02:07] *** kdavy has joined #opensolaris[01:02:37] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[01:15:26] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:40:14] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[01:42:14] *** Z` has quit IRC[01:46:08] *** kdavy_ has joined #opensolaris[01:47:54] *** kdavy has quit IRC[01:55:24] *** kimc has quit IRC[01:55:55] *** Meths has quit IRC[01:57:43] *** zz_Disorganized is now known as Disorganized[02:05:12] *** Meths has joined #opensolaris[02:05:23] *** stoxx has joined #opensolaris[02:05:58] *** timsf has quit IRC[02:32:07] *** hando has joined #opensolaris[02:50:28] *** gwr has quit IRC[02:51:07] <linux00002> I tried to enable one of the zfs/auto-snapshot services and it was offline, the depending application/time-slider service is in maintenance mode. Can anybody help me fix this? here is the service log http://pastebin.com/rYmiBXzi[02:52:18] *** gwr has joined #opensolaris[02:55:43] <Triskelios> linux00002: what are you running?[02:57:34] <linux00002> Triskelios: oi_148[02:58:36] <Triskelios> linux00002: does /etc/dbus-1/system.d/time-slider.conf have policies for both root and zfssnap?[03:00:05] <linux00002> am... yea[03:00:07] <linux00002> http://pastebin.com/hazHVuuL[03:04:19] <Triskelios> 'svcprop -p start/user time-slider' shows "zfssnap"?[03:04:47] <linux00002> Yea, it does[03:04:50] <linux00002> >.<[03:05:10] <Triskelios> try restarting dbus and clearing the service[03:07:37] <linux00002> that worked! thanks a bunch[03:08:00] <linux00002> i would've never thought of restarting dbus[03:08:58] <Triskelios> I can't tell if you're being sarcastic[03:09:09] <linux00002> i am not sarcastic[03:09:11] <Triskelios> also, there's #openindiana[03:09:20] <linux00002> oh? did not realize that either..[03:09:27] <linux00002> I'll have to check it out, thanks![03:09:39] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[03:23:00] *** randw has quit IRC[03:55:31] *** Disorganized is now known as zz_Disorganized[04:06:38] *** miine_ has joined #opensolaris[04:08:31] *** miine has quit IRC[04:08:31] *** miine_ is now known as miine[04:18:45] <_Tenchi_> hey it looks like they fixed named in s11x SRU11[04:18:54] <_Tenchi_> can now run it chrooted as nonroot user in a zone again[04:19:08] <_Tenchi_> WITHOUT having to grant it all privs[04:24:58] *** symptom has joined #opensolaris[05:10:53] *** timsf has quit IRC[05:48:43] *** symptom has quit IRC[05:49:47] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #opensolaris[06:02:22] *** HyperJohnGraham has quit IRC[06:26:43] *** zz_Disorganized is now known as Disorganized[06:28:04] *** tru_tru has quit IRC[06:29:43] *** Disorganized is now known as zz_Disorganized[06:37:20] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[06:54:20] *** timsf has quit IRC[07:00:18] *** szaydel has quit IRC[07:31:31] *** kdavy has joined #opensolaris[07:32:41] *** kdavy_ has quit IRC[07:35:37] *** tru_tru has joined #opensolaris[07:48:07] *** hando has quit IRC[09:02:03] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[09:14:01] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[09:18:30] *** keremet has joined #opensolaris[09:22:46] *** gwr has quit IRC[09:28:21] *** gwr has joined #opensolaris[09:34:42] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[09:37:48] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[09:39:18] *** sphenxes has joined #opensolaris[09:44:33] *** dubf has joined #opensolaris[09:45:52] *** fisted has quit IRC[09:48:04] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:49:56] *** dCtrl has quit IRC[09:51:33] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[09:52:24] *** Berny_ has joined #opensolaris[10:16:16] <uw_> hi[10:16:31] <uw_> resume question: is it Unix or UNIX?[10:18:39] <|woody|> depends :)[10:19:39] <uw_> haha i should have known i would get that answer here :)[10:19:41] <|woody|> UNIX only with if talk about real UNIX System that are certified by open group as UNIX. and Unix for unix-like system[10:20:56] <uw_> ok so if speaking about a UNIX-like system that isnt certified, it would be Unix?[10:21:37] <|woody|> Thats how it's it's done in books these days[10:23:57] <|woody|> But the discussion is as old as UNIX :)[10:24:52] <uw_> lol ok as figured. im actually surpized i didnt get yelled at lol[10:25:03] <uw_> i will use the correct one, thank you for your time[10:25:32] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:36:31] *** ikonia has quit IRC[10:38:03] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[10:38:03] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[10:44:46] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[11:00:46] *** jelmd has quit IRC[11:02:44] *** jelmd has joined #opensolaris[11:03:39] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[11:09:22] *** ginabc has joined #opensolaris[11:13:22] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[11:13:46] *** ginabc has quit IRC[11:16:34] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[11:18:49] *** stoxx has quit IRC[11:21:14] *** darrenb` has joined #opensolaris[11:22:58] *** darrenb has quit IRC[11:26:27] *** iFire` has quit IRC[11:26:39] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[11:26:56] <lblume> uw_: Try suggesting that Linux is UNIX®. Or that MacOS X, which is UNIX®, is also Unix. Then, run for your life.[11:27:07] *** held has quit IRC[11:31:20] *** stoxx has joined #opensolaris[11:34:04] *** dduvall has quit IRC[11:35:39] <tsoome> lblume: living on the edge?:P[11:36:02] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[11:36:21] *** phretor has joined #opensolaris[11:50:49] <lblume> tsoome: I keep hoping for Windows 2008R2 to become UNIX® :>[11:50:56] <tsoome> :D[11:51:11] <tsoome> at the end there shall be only one![11:54:37] <lblume> Plan 9![11:57:59] *** held has joined #opensolaris[12:11:48] *** ikonia has joined #opensolaris[12:15:08] *** AlasAway is now known as Alasdairrr[12:23:58] *** smrt has quit IRC[12:24:48] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[12:37:46] *** phretor has quit IRC[12:48:00] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[12:57:22] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #opensolaris[13:02:41] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[13:03:07] *** MilkmanDan has joined #opensolaris[13:06:33] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[13:06:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[13:09:44] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #opensolaris[13:17:51] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris[13:19:36] *** tsoome has quit IRC[13:19:36] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome[13:27:01] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[13:32:27] *** Stric has quit IRC[13:33:16] *** Stric has joined #opensolaris[13:34:07] *** miine has quit IRC[13:36:23] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:42:26] *** eXeC001er has joined #opensolaris[13:48:09] *** TomJ has quit IRC[13:49:26] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[14:01:45] *** tsoome has quit IRC[14:04:49] *** darrenb` has quit IRC[14:06:47] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[14:10:57] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[14:12:56] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[14:37:51] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[14:39:31] *** deet1 has joined #opensolaris[14:41:14] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[14:50:41] *** darrenb has quit IRC[14:57:30] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[15:05:39] *** orsetto has joined #opensolaris[15:06:49] *** keremet has left #opensolaris[15:14:46] *** merzo has quit IRC[15:29:00] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:33:47] *** k1llah3rtz has quit IRC[15:36:31] *** dubf has quit IRC[15:48:28] *** piwi has quit IRC[15:49:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:56:54] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[15:58:28] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[15:59:08] *** ajkn has quit IRC[15:59:35] *** ajkn has joined #opensolaris[16:01:50] *** bokkepoot has left #opensolaris[16:02:46] *** piwi has quit IRC[16:04:38] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[16:24:01] *** elgar has joined #opensolaris[16:27:44] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:55:16] *** elgar has quit IRC[17:19:43] *** deet1 has quit IRC[17:25:04] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris[17:25:05] *** calumb has quit IRC[17:28:24] *** calum_ is now known as calumb[17:31:19] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:32:01] *** jfisc has quit IRC[17:32:28] <linux00002> in the 'zpool iostat datapool 5' output, does the write bandwidth mean howmuch data is written to the pool in that 5 sec interval?[17:34:06] <tsoome> no, its how much data the pool is writing down to the disks in that interval[17:34:41] <tsoome> it can be the same as how much data is written to pool, but its not always the same[17:34:46] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[17:35:03] <linux00002> oh, right[17:35:14] <tsoome> fsstat will give you how much data is hitting filesystem from apps[17:37:08] <linux00002> thanks[17:38:34] <linux00002> hm..there's 15 people in the #dtrace channel on freenode, is there another server/channel for dtrace thats more active? :P[17:39:39] <tstm_> That's the entire audience for dtrace in the world. 15 people.[17:40:05] <linux00002> lol k[17:41:21] <jamesd_> there are a few million more but they are tied up in a license struggle fest and willl not be able to respond because they haven't made there point on licenses satisfactorily yet, perhaps by 2038....[17:48:15] *** tsoome has quit IRC[17:51:42] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:52:55] *** elgar has joined #opensolaris[17:57:28] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC[17:59:35] *** snuff-home2 has joined #opensolaris[18:00:50] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[18:16:25] *** hajma has quit IRC[18:17:56] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[18:20:32] *** NorrinRadd has joined #opensolaris[18:20:32] *** NorrinRadd has joined #opensolaris[18:23:06] *** Norrin has quit IRC[18:26:37] *** stux|RC-only has quit IRC[18:27:18] *** ajkn has quit IRC[18:27:30] *** ajkn has joined #opensolaris[18:30:05] *** stux|RC-only has joined #opensolaris[18:35:32] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris[18:35:32] *** calumb has quit IRC[18:56:05] *** calum_ is now known as calumb[18:57:59] *** deet1 has joined #opensolaris[18:59:15] *** ajkn has quit IRC[19:25:13] *** whiteyOS has joined #opensolaris[19:28:22] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris[19:34:24] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:41:11] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[19:57:01] *** whiteyOS has left #opensolaris[20:09:33] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[20:21:55] *** pfn has left #opensolaris[20:27:27] *** randw_ has joined #opensolaris[20:30:24] *** randw has quit IRC[20:34:58] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[20:41:44] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[21:20:22] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[21:22:56] *** orsetto has quit IRC[21:36:27] *** sponix has quit IRC[22:05:44] *** mavhc has quit IRC[22:07:15] *** mavhc has joined #opensolaris[22:07:20] *** mavhc has quit IRC[22:08:32] *** mavhc has joined #opensolaris[22:09:26] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[22:23:39] *** fisted has quit IRC[22:28:39] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[22:29:32] *** nigredo has joined #opensolaris[22:30:22] *** nigredo has left #opensolaris[22:44:11] *** Seeder has joined #opensolaris[22:47:03] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:50:54] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[23:17:26] *** cdVarLog has left #opensolaris[23:26:27] *** timsf has quit IRC[23:27:25] *** hajma_ has joined #opensolaris[23:27:53] *** hajma has quit IRC[23:28:51] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[23:30:56] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[23:32:09] *** limgad has joined #opensolaris[23:33:37] *** held has quit IRC[23:34:12] <limgad> hi guys. I would like to know: is it possible to reinstall a package using IPS? There are some warnings when I run pkg verify and I would like to reinstall the package. (I'm on 11 express)[23:34:43] <timsf> you don't need to reinstall, just use 'pkg fix'[23:35:01] <richlowe> timsf: does verify not tell you that?[23:35:12] <timsf> though there are some packages which are known to always produce verify warnings[23:35:22] <timsf> packages containing python files, and libc[23:35:30] <timsf> I think it does richlowe[23:35:31] <limgad> aha[23:35:37] <limgad> it was a python package[23:35:59] <richlowe> python packages tend to break themselves, because of teh timestamp baked into the .pyc file[23:36:03] <alanc> *.pyc files need special handling in pkging to avoid that[23:36:04] <timsf> yep, the interpreter can touch the .pyc files causing them to appear to have cincorrect timestaps[23:36:05] <timsf> right.[23:36:18] <timsf> (sheesh, I can't type today)[23:36:32] <timsf> Good thing I'm only writing documentation at the moment![23:36:37] * timsf coughs[23:37:08] <limgad> so, the warnings about the .pyc files, I just ignore?[23:37:32] <richlowe> if you can't fix the packages, yeah.[23:37:35] <richlowe> not like you can report bugs anymore[23:38:48] <limgad> the thing is: I can see that it reports the wrong group (along with the wrong hash), and I would think that this is something that pkg fix should... you know. Fix[23:39:02] <timsf> it can fix them,[23:39:12] <timsf> just that python will break them again if they get rewritten[23:39:50] <limgad> awesome.[23:39:57] <timsf> 18903 support for mountpoint labeling[23:39:57] <timsf> fixes the libc problem[23:40:22] <timsf> https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=18903[23:40:49] <limgad> 1 more thing: is there no reinstall mechanism in pkg? I am collecting some cheatsheets about package managers and I haven't found what to put on that spot[23:41:14] <richlowe> pkg fix does the (useful) equivalent[23:41:41] <limgad> great. I'll put that then.[23:41:43] <timsf> reinstall is pointless when you've got the ability to create boot environments at will[23:41:46] <limgad> thx for the help[23:41:54] * limgad nods at timsf[23:41:54] <timsf> pkg revert might also be useful[23:42:11] <limgad> revert?[23:42:18] <limgad> is there a revert option?[23:42:28] <richlowe> not sure there is in S11X[23:43:07] <limgad> ah ok[23:43:31] <timsf> http://pastebin.ca/2089514[23:44:46] <limgad> aha. good to know[23:46:30] *** elgar has quit IRC[23:47:16] *** ewdafa_ has joined #opensolaris[23:48:09] *** held has joined #opensolaris[23:48:40] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[23:48:43] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[23:49:52] <timsf> current gate nroff is at http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/pkg/gate/src/man/pkg.1[23:51:43] <richlowe> I sure do miss the plain text copies.[23:51:47] <richlowe> y'all need to discover ronn[23:51:53] <richlowe> and, you know, change your entire docs workflow :)[23:55:19] <timsf> ronn?[23:55:40] <timsf> (the rst for the dev guide is a little more readable, thankfully)[23:56:09] <richlowe> timsf: ronn converts slightly unusual markdown to nroff -man[23:56:14] <richlowe> it is the bees knees[23:56:26] <richlowe> github.com/rtomayko/ronn, iirc[23:57:00] <timsf> just googled it - yay another markup language to learn. why not rst?[23:57:12] <richlowe> pretty sure markdown preceded rst[23:57:26] <timsf> ah[23:57:34] <richlowe> but I think the ultimate answer is "everything on github that formats text is markdown, so everyone's used to it"[23:58:13] <timsf> I see.[23:58:34] <richlowe> either way, you're comparing to the wrong format[23:58:41] <richlowe> compare it to roff's 'an' macros :)[23:58:51] <richlowe> oooh, ooh, or solbook![23:59:04] * timsf winces[23:59:39] <timsf> I like sgml, but I just like other people to write it.