October 9, 2011 
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October 9, 2011 [00:19:04] <CIA-56> SFE kenmays: Xfce 4.8: Added SFExfce4-cpufreq-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-cpugraph-plugin.spec[00:24:28] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[00:54:14] *** Z` has quit IRC[00:56:08] *** uw_ has quit IRC[01:03:47] *** koppe has joined #opensolaris[01:06:08] <gvm1> Does anyone know if there's a full archive of opensolaris.org anywhere?[01:10:12] <jelmd> google cache ;-)[01:10:31] <Chris64> did they shut down the whole website?[01:10:43] <gvm1> Not in google's cache any more.[01:10:45] <Chris64> I hate it, when companys break links[01:10:50] <Chris64> also with java[01:10:51] <gvm1> Looks like the whole site is gone.[01:10:53] <Chris64> many blogs have gone[01:10:59] <gvm1> Not responding, anyway.[01:11:04] <Chris64> all on sun.com or so[01:11:20] <tsoome> it's closed down[01:13:02] <gvm1> So all of the mail archives are just gone forever?[01:15:32] <jelmd> according to twitter they take a breath on this weekend, only[01:15:39] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[01:16:40] <jelmd> http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-announce/2011-10/msg00001.html[01:18:54] <Chris64> that such a big company needs to take a whole website offline just because of one datacenter maintenance :][01:19:52] <tsoome> they are unable to do even more simpler stuff:P[01:19:56] <Chris64> but okay, it's a big site so.. read only mirror isn't that easy i think :)[01:19:58] <Chris64> :D[01:20:31] <gvm1> Lets hope it comes back intact.[01:29:12] <jamesd_> yeah even if they had to buy a second f5 or two and a dozen servers, and only keep the realtime tweets up and running. they shouldn't be down[01:30:37] * sommerfeld is trying really hard to keep his mouth shut and not slander a former employer[01:31:33] <Chris64> :<[01:40:50] <_Tenchi_> if it's true, it's not slander[01:43:34] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[01:49:35] <koppe> Quick question... After using OpenSolaris for a while, I switched to SolarisExpress when support for OS ended. Now I'm hearing ruomers that Oracle may discontinue SolarisExpress... anybody know more?[01:51:16] <tsoome> when S11 is released, there is no need for express.[01:52:16] <sommerfeld> I switched to openindiana.[01:52:25] <tsoome> anyhow, express is b151, early access is b173 and even those two have quite significant differences….[01:53:25] <koppe> So they won't start making a s12express then? Will they discontinue all support, update and download?[01:53:32] <tsoome> betas are just betas, you wont keep them around forever;)[01:55:02] <tsoome> same thing was with s10 express when s10 got released.[01:56:23] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[02:00:22] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[02:06:57] *** ginabc has joined #opensolaris[02:11:25] *** ginabc has quit IRC[02:13:33] * jbk would be surprised if there's anything resembling a s12 beta[02:14:16] <jbk> and wouldn't be too shocked if there's no s12 at all[02:20:35] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[02:23:14] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[02:34:18] *** snuff-home2 is now known as snuff-home[02:34:45] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[02:34:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[02:37:08] *** hecsa has quit IRC[02:48:52] *** APTX has quit IRC[02:49:37] *** wdp has quit IRC[02:50:38] *** niq has quit IRC[02:54:43] <CIA-56> SFE kenmays: Xfce 4.8: SFEthunar-vcs-plugin.spec: Disk space avail patch[02:56:11] *** APTX has joined 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#opensolaris[18:20:47] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[18:27:50] *** spanglywires has joined #opensolaris[18:31:25] *** APTX has quit IRC[18:38:07] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[18:38:19] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[18:51:42] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris[18:51:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[18:54:02] *** AlasAway is now known as Alasdairrr[18:54:41] *** Martiini has quit IRC[18:58:23] *** ImTheBitch has quit IRC[19:18:04] <_Tenchi_> pkg.oracle.com STILL down :([19:38:26] <alanc> yes, as expected[19:38:38] <_Tenchi_> is it ?[19:38:43] <alanc> it's the same datacenter as all the *.opensolaris.org machines[19:38:46] <_Tenchi_> was there a maintenance notice ?[19:39:18] <alanc> there waas for opensolaris.org, I don't know about pkg.oracle.com[19:39:32] <_Tenchi_> oh ok, i didnt see anything on support.oracle.com[19:39:37] <alanc> http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-announce/2011-10/msg00001.html[19:39:40] <_Tenchi_> saw a notice for october 14th[19:40:26] <_Tenchi_> noon monday, haha crap[19:40:31] <alanc> I know we discussed in planning for the outage that pkg.oracle.com would be down - I assumed they'd put something on oracle support, but I'm not involved with that side of things[19:42:05] <alanc> the power should be back on well before noon - noon is just when the opensolaris.org admins plan to have all their machines up and running again[19:42:51] <_Tenchi_> welp, i guess i have the rest of the weekend off :)[19:42:52] <alanc> isn't there a full repo iso image you can download from oracle support if you don't want to wait?[19:43:06] <_Tenchi_> i havent been able to find a support repo[19:43:12] <_Tenchi_> support repo images[19:43:46] <_Tenchi_> the only thing on support.oracle.com is instructions for obtaining certs for the pkg.oracle.com/solaris/support/ repo[19:44:16] <_Tenchi_> and that repo is updated from time to time as new version of packages are released[19:44:38] <_Tenchi_> i had been running a script to pull down from that repo but I turned it off and deleted my local images :([19:44:39] <alanc> I thought they posted the images for the customers with systems without internet connections[19:44:56] <_Tenchi_> i'm looking again[19:45:43] <_Tenchi_> they do have instructions posted on making local mirrors[19:46:06] <_Tenchi_> so damn lame that this support site is flash driven[19:46:46] <_Tenchi_> or, so damn lame that OSX's flash support isnt as good as linux/windows :([19:47:57] <alanc> I'm not finding it either, guess I misunderstood[19:48:06] <_Tenchi_> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-admin/s11exrepositoriesalta-187967.pdf[19:48:16] <_Tenchi_> they have a link to that, but that's about it[19:48:37] <alanc> "Solaris 11 Express SRU 11 is also available in ISO image from My Oracle Support "[19:49:05] *** hando has quit IRC[19:50:07] <alanc> Patch 12992685: ORACLE SOLARIS 11 EXPRESS 2010.11 SRU 11 REPO ISO IMAGE[19:50:33] <alanc> found link to it on https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/article?cmd=show&type=NOT&doctype=REFERENCE&id=1313405.1[19:51:21] <_Tenchi_> ah hah[19:51:24] <_Tenchi_> thanks[19:51:44] *** hando has joined #opensolaris[19:53:10] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:53:10] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[20:11:56] *** Z` has joined #opensolaris[20:19:27] <_Tenchi_> alanc: one more quick question... i downloaded this image, mounted it, set it up as the primary url for the publisher, and did a pkg list -u which said no newer versions are available... is there an easy way to get pkg to tell me if packages i have installed are newer than the packages in the repo i mounted ?[20:20:06] <alanc> I don't know off hand, sorry[20:20:15] <_Tenchi_> ok thanks anyway[20:20:41] <alanc> can certainly get the list and compare, but then you have to check for which is newer[20:20:44] * _Tenchi_ is gonna learn pkg inside and out someday[20:21:15] <tsoome> compare pkg list outputs?[20:21:20] <_Tenchi_> yeah i'm piping lists to files now that i can diff... just not sure if the pkg list stuff gives me high resolution answers to version numbers[20:21:39] <tsoome> sort |uniq or something...[20:23:14] <alanc> pkg list -v gives maximum resolution[20:23:30] <_Tenchi_> yeah i hope that's enough :)[20:23:34] <alanc> pkg://solaris/system/core-os at 0 dot 5.11,5.11-0.175.0.0.0.0.0:20110926T234134Z for instance[20:24:32] <_Tenchi_> i dont really know the internals of ips metadata... does IPS automatically timestamp these things or is it up to humans which are susceptible to inducing human error to populate the metadata with unique version numbers/timestamps, that's what im wondering[20:24:39] <alanc> (though of course, compared to S11X SRU's, I'm far in the future)[20:25:09] <alanc> the timestamp after the : is autogenerated when you build the package[20:25:17] <_Tenchi_> oh good[20:25:56] <alanc> before the : may be subject to human error, depending on how the package is built and where it gets the version info from[20:26:46] <_Tenchi_> right[20:27:02] *** Posterdati has quit IRC[20:27:04] <_Tenchi_> ive just been bothered by the fact that i cant use pkg to tell me what version of java runtime is installed[20:27:23] <_Tenchi_> version just says 0.151.0.1.6[20:27:31] <_Tenchi_> not 1.6.0_24 or 1.6.0_27 etc[20:27:31] <tsoome> java -version ?:P[20:28:05] *** Posterdati has joined #opensolaris[20:28:10] <_Tenchi_> well yeah i can use the actual binaries of packages to tell me what version i have, but it'd be nice to just be able to ask the package manager[20:28:46] <tsoome> tbh, i dont think they have thought about that at all…..[20:28:51] <_Tenchi_> i'd also like to be able to ask the package manager about changelog info and stuff but, oh well[20:32:07] <jelmd> _Tenchi_: every admin wants to, but pkg engineers just say: "what are pkg managers on other platforms do - We'll do the same crap ..."[20:32:36] <_Tenchi_> jelmd: i'd be fine if they'd copy all features from redhat's package manager[20:32:58] <_Tenchi_> well... not "all" features... but the same ones i've been using since 1997[20:33:12] * jelmd doesn't care about RH* ;-)[20:33:34] <alanc> _Tenchi_: that's probably because the Java runtime in 151a was SVR4 packages that got imported to IPS and the person making those didn't set the version to something useful[20:34:17] <_Tenchi_> alanc: actually that make sense... oracle's not updating the s11 repos with java updates either, they still distribute the svr4 packages for solaris but that's it[20:34:41] <_Tenchi_> i havent even gotten into figuring out all the intracacies with IPS interop with SVR4[20:34:56] <alanc> doesn't look much better in the latest builds, though they've shifted it around a bit[20:35:02] <_Tenchi_> so how do I ask the repo what version of a package it contains ?[20:35:02] <alanc> pkg://solaris/runtime/java/jre-6 at 1 dot 6.0.0,5.11-0.175.0.0.0.0.0:20110927T200916Z[20:35:31] <_Tenchi_> alanc: is that still an svr4 package ?[20:35:46] <alanc> not sure off hand[20:36:21] <_Tenchi_> is there a way to ask IPS if it is?[20:36:38] <_Tenchi_> what is the term for a package that is NOT svr4 ?[20:36:42] <_Tenchi_> IPS package ?[20:37:26] <alanc> IPS doesn't know whether it was built natively or converted from SVR4 - once it sees it, they're all the same[20:37:47] <alanc> unless you actually have a real SVR4 package that you pkgadd'ed - but that's not what those where[20:37:51] <alanc> err, were[20:38:13] <alanc> so in current builds, you can do: pkg list -ng /path/to/repo[20:38:14] <_Tenchi_> yeah there's a lot of IPS documentation that says IPS doesnt dictate the format of a package, sort of confuses me[20:38:49] *** plycke has quit IRC[20:38:52] <_Tenchi_> pkg is telling me -g is an illegal option for list[20:38:59] <_Tenchi_> on s11x :/[20:39:38] <alanc> but I think in 151a you had to do: pkgrecv -s file:/path/to/repo --newest[20:39:49] <alanc> or http://repo-server/foo[20:39:52] <_Tenchi_> wow ok[20:39:55] *** IDoNotKnow has quit IRC[20:40:00] *** IDoNotKnow has joined #opensolaris[20:41:50] <_Tenchi_> interesting... that onmly shows 400 some packages[20:42:22] *** Martiini has joined #opensolaris[20:42:25] <_Tenchi_> i guess that's why the patch info references "incr" in the file name[20:42:56] <_Tenchi_> hehe i have a feeling im going to get this all figured just as the pkg.oracle.com repos are coming back online[20:44:31] <jelmd> _Tenchi_: if you do not wanna waste your time, wait 'til 09-11-2011 ...[20:44:59] <_Tenchi_> you mean 11-11-2011 ?[20:45:15] <_Tenchi_> 09-11-2011 has come and gone[20:45:22] * _Tenchi_ hates how fast time is flying these days[20:45:47] <jelmd> last note I saw, was S11 launch at 911 ;-)[20:46:14] <alanc> November 9[20:46:19] <alanc> silly backwards date people[20:46:20] <_Tenchi_> oh haha[20:46:33] <jelmd> EU ;-)[20:46:45] * Stric prefers iso8601, with numbers poperly sorted with MSB..LSB[20:46:54] <alanc> 11/11/11 was much less ambigous, but well, is Veteran's Day / Armistice Day[20:47:03] <_Tenchi_> i have an easier time converting those date format diffs in my head than i do imperial vs metric[20:47:24] <_Tenchi_> yeah i registered for a launch even on 11/09/2011[20:47:48] <_Tenchi_> but 11/11/2011 was the running joke about official release[20:48:25] <_Tenchi_> but im already running these s11x installs for real world work so i cant just put everything on pause until then[20:48:57] <_Tenchi_> i did a test install of s11ea and there were enough diffs that i saw from s11x that i know there's gonna be a whole migration/validation exercise involved with moving to s11[20:49:03] <alanc> http://oracle.com/goto/solaris11event[20:49:04] <_Tenchi_> (when it becomes available)[20:49:24] <_Tenchi_> "This is to confirm your registration to attend the Oracle Solaris 11 Launch Webcast, on Wednesday, November 09, 2011."[20:49:56] <alanc> oh yeah, configuration has changed a lot - should be easier to configure a lot of things via AI manifests now, but manual configuration requires relearning[20:50:34] * alanc needs to finish returning his review comments on the latest draft of the Solaris 11 Transition Guide docs that cover a bunch of that[20:50:37] <_Tenchi_> i dunno, have sparse zones been re-introduced? i was pretty keen on those[20:50:59] <_Tenchi_> hehe the whole reason i need to get this repo access going again is so i can rebuild some zones[20:51:26] <alanc> not as-is, but there's several options with similar effects depending on what you were looking for[20:52:07] <_Tenchi_> yeah i thought it might be doable manually with loopback configurations and such[20:52:20] <_Tenchi_> but the thing about doing stuff manually is that it's difficult to maintain :)[20:52:48] <_Tenchi_> some new updates from oracle or a required patch or something has a high degree of probably of blowing away anything I do manually[20:53:05] <_Tenchi_> i kinda like to stick to prescribed/supported ways of doing things[20:57:49] <jelmd> well, illumos supports sparse zones ;-). Anyway, if package deps on S11 would be ok, I would car that much about running whole zones. However, they managed to go from one extreme (almost no deps) to another (deps to all shit in the world)...[20:58:13] <_Tenchi_> yeah that's true[20:58:46] <_Tenchi_> i installed smartos when they released the first iso and was susprised to see the zone brand was native instead of IPS[20:59:04] <_Tenchi_> and then decided to hold off on playing with smartos :)[21:01:19] *** symptom has joined #opensolaris[21:05:14] <_Tenchi_> ok, barring anything that has been obsoleted by packages in the sru image things look perfect on my installation[21:05:25] <_Tenchi_> alanc: thanks again for the additiona pkgrecv insight[21:09:22] <_Tenchi_> wow glad i checked this thing... this launch event is 10am eastern time, not pacific[21:14:32] *** piwi has quit IRC[21:15:33] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[21:19:18] *** deet1 has joined #opensolaris[21:22:27] <Stric> btw, anyone else had success netbooting s11ea in virtualbox or linux-kvm? it just hangs after a random amount of time..[21:26:38] <tomww> promiscousmode the new vbox setting? and non-nat networkcard setup? (mdns)[21:27:10] <Stric> it can hang while spewing the dots in the beginning etc..[21:27:22] <Stric> or while installing, or..[21:28:27] <tomww> hm. if you check the grup IP config, do the IPs it got make sense for your setup?[21:28:37] <tomww> *grub[21:29:27] <Stric> it doesn't have problems getting the boot image, it has problems running the actual software[21:39:02] *** ampex has joined #opensolaris[21:39:21] *** ampex has left #opensolaris[21:42:26] *** merzo has quit IRC[21:47:34] <tomww> so the hangs are appearing ramdomly?[21:52:29] <Stric> yeah, for example either while loading the boot image.. then it just stops.. or while installing, all activity just .. stops..[21:52:40] <Stric> winxp is working fine on the same virtualbox[21:53:20] <Stric> both 4.1.0 and 4.1.4 tried.. amd64 host[22:08:37] *** Z` has quit IRC[22:25:53] *** darrenb has quit IRC[22:27:58] <seanmcg> how much memory are you giving the VM Stric ?[22:34:05] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[22:38:41] *** dominiq has quit IRC[22:39:26] <Stric> seanmcg: a gig or so.. if it was too little, it shouldn't alternate between hanging 5 seconds after grub and after 75% installed[22:40:15] <seanmcg> true. I'd give it 1.5GB at the very least though. And is your emulated disk sata or ide ?[22:41:11] <Stric> Don't remember, but it still hangs before even touching any disk[22:42:21] <seanmcg> can you boot with kmdb to see if you can see where it hangs ?[22:43:21] <Stric> can try at work tomorrow..[22:49:10] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[22:51:04] *** Alasdairrr is now known as AlasAway[23:04:11] *** snuff-home2 has joined #opensolaris[23:07:27] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[23:21:49] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[23:25:19] *** Martiini has quit IRC[23:36:48] *** smrt has quit IRC[23:37:02] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[23:37:28] *** Martiini has joined #opensolaris[23:45:16] *** tsoome has quit IRC[23:50:56] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[23:51:26] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[23:52:20] *** sphenxes has quit IRC