October 8, 2011 
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October 8, 2011 [00:10:27] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[00:10:55] <Shoggoth> hi all![00:11:57] <Shoggoth> I just installed the new Sol11 Early Access image and it seems that the "Primary Administrator" role has disappeared! Does anyone know what the deal is?[00:13:21] <bdha> Replacing RBAC with sudo?[00:13:25] <bdha> (guessing)[00:15:05] <Shoggoth> :([00:15:44] <Shoggoth> also sys-unconfig seems to have been disappeared too[00:16:37] <Shoggoth> seems you have to do a "sysconfig unconfigure" now[00:17:35] <Shoggoth> bdha: was that an educated guess or a wild guess ?[00:17:39] <lala> just like you need to click 'Start' in order to 'Shutdown' in windows ;p[00:17:45] <Shoggoth> lol[00:18:12] <bdha> Shoggoth: A bit of both, maybe.[00:18:23] <Shoggoth> didn't you here that the "start" button is going....[00:18:52] <Shoggoth> bdha: ok... so the educated bit... have you heard something that would indicate that oracle is planning to ditch rbac?[00:19:50] <alanc> Primary Administrator was always considered a bug by the RBAC designers[00:20:01] <Shoggoth> oh?[00:20:07] <alanc> "do everything without authentication" not being a role they envisioned[00:20:15] <bdha> ha.[00:20:18] <Shoggoth> yeah... that's a fair point[00:21:01] *** randomuser has quit IRC[00:21:22] <alanc> they got rid of it in one of the RBAC update projects - I think the one that split the *_attr files into *_attr.d/* for easier pkg delivery[00:21:33] <Shoggoth> I can see that upgrading to 11ea is not going to be a straight forward process[00:22:17] <alanc> https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4885[00:22:49] <Shoggoth> @alanc: thanks (as always)[00:28:25] <alanc> btw, you should find EA has some improvements to make using rbac easier, in the CLI tools like useradd/usermod/rolemod[00:31:49] *** APTX_ has quit IRC[00:32:27] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[00:36:20] *** tomocha66 has quit IRC[00:36:35] *** tomocha66 has joined #opensolaris[00:37:13] *** lala has quit IRC[00:51:21] *** niq has quit IRC[01:10:53] *** paop has joined #opensolaris[01:11:03] <paop> hi all[01:12:19] *** paop has left #opensolaris[01:14:25] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[01:15:06] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[01:23:55] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[01:37:00] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[01:43:17] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[01:45:25] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[01:48:41] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[02:09:52] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[02:10:36] *** zz_Disorganized is now known as Disorganized[02:21:06] *** Ouro has joined #opensolaris[02:21:11] *** dduvall has quit IRC[02:23:54] <Ouro> if the order of devices in a zpool changes (plugged into different ports), will that be reflected in the 'zpool status' order?[02:24:12] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[02:35:10] <Triskelios> the order probably won't change until you reimport the pool again[02:36:19] <Ouro> is there a simple way to identify the correct position of the device, perhaps by dd'ing its header?[02:36:58] <Ouro> unfortunately i failed to label these :/[02:37:32] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[02:39:22] <Triskelios> "correct position"?[02:41:41] <Ouro> in a raidz2, there is presumably some order to the devices[02:42:10] <Ouro> i may or may not have swapped the ports on two of them, so now i am not sure how to tell them apart[02:43:19] <Ouro> or are you saying that if the order is incorrect then the zpool will not work without an import?[02:43:21] <Triskelios> no, there is no order[02:43:21] <tsoome> zfs doesnt need that[02:48:48] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[02:52:21] <Ouro> there must be an order internally, since some drives are data and some parity[02:52:39] <Ouro> i realize that this does not need to correspond to the OS/controller order[02:53:57] <Triskelios> no, that's not how RAID-Z works[02:54:05] <Triskelios> all drives have data and parity stripes[02:56:06] <tsoome> zfs is using disk id's or wwn, if you like, disk names are only for humans. if you wanna get correct names, export the pool and import it again, that will fix names.[02:56:36] <Ouro> Triskelios: well, it rotates, but for each block two drives act as parity[02:57:17] <Triskelios> Ouro: yes, and they're evenly distributed if the spindles are the same speed[02:57:33] <Triskelios> and fairly randomly, not round-robin[02:58:58] <Ouro> i understand that it is more or less symmetric, i just want to restore the original order for my own bookkeeping[03:01:42] *** ImTheBitch has joined #opensolaris[03:03:51] *** comay has quit IRC[03:12:08] *** nachox_ has joined #opensolaris[03:14:07] *** EisNerd has quit IRC[03:15:28] *** nachox has quit IRC[03:22:27] *** nachox_ is now known as nachox[03:23:20] *** EisNerd has joined #opensolaris[03:34:49] *** ajkn has joined #opensolaris[03:40:17] *** symptom has joined #opensolaris[03:49:29] *** jfisc has quit IRC[03:50:00] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[03:59:27] *** fisted has quit IRC[04:01:27] *** symptom has quit IRC[04:03:43] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[04:14:49] *** symptom has joined #opensolaris[04:16:01] *** symptom has quit IRC[04:34:36] *** ImTheBitch has quit IRC[05:35:58] *** Sceak has joined #opensolaris[05:36:30] *** ahl has joined #opensolaris[05:36:40] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[05:42:55] <Ouro> so where do the zfs devid's come from? for some drives, the ones in /etc/zfs/zpool.cache (29-char hex strings) are not the same as the ones in /etc/devices/devid_cache (model/serial numbers)[05:43:26] *** Sceak has quit IRC[05:44:52] *** ahl has left #opensolaris[05:58:45] *** HyperJohnGraham has joined #opensolaris[06:07:19] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[06:39:11] *** nachox has quit IRC[06:39:13] *** ZeroHour has joined #opensolaris[06:39:54] *** Ouro has quit IRC[07:06:07] *** ginabc has joined #opensolaris[07:07:48] *** cfs has joined #opensolaris[07:10:35] *** ginabc has quit IRC[07:22:39] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[08:15:27] *** Disorganized is now known as zz_Disorganized[08:29:32] *** zz_Disorganized is now known as Disorganized[08:31:50] *** Disorganized is now known as zz_Disorganized[08:43:38] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[08:46:14] *** spanglywires has joined #opensolaris[08:49:10] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[09:02:09] *** spanglywires has 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Its kind of slow and I was looking at some articles online that benchmarked OpenSolaris vs FreeNAS and the results were staggering... specifically: http://www.zfsbuild.com/2010/09/10/freenas-vs-opensolaris-zfs-benchmarks/[18:18:26] <cathode> I'm curious as to whether I could install opensolaris on that machine and import the ZFS volume on it without losing any data?[18:18:41] <cathode> freenas 7.x uses ZFS version 13 i think[18:20:49] <RoyK> cathode: using opensolaris should work, but it's long dead - oracle closed the source tap and the project was forked to openindiana[18:21:26] <cathode> ok, well the question should still apply... can i import a ZFS pool created in a different OS?[18:21:36] <RoyK> yes[18:21:49] <RoyK> zfs is consistent[18:22:03] <cathode> hmm ok[18:22:09] <RoyK> unless you try to import a pool from solaris 11, which is closed source[18:22:21] <RoyK> cathode: /j #openindiana :)[18:22:40] <cathode> thanks[18:22:42] *** cathode has left #opensolaris[18:24:29] *** jfisc has quit IRC[18:29:29] *** niq has quit IRC[18:30:38] <tsoome> open or not open doesnt matter, the pool version does:P[18:35:26] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[19:00:17] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[19:04:12] *** astra05 has quit IRC[19:04:30] *** astra05 has joined #opensolaris[19:07:34] *** astra05 has quit IRC[19:08:51] *** astra05 has joined #opensolaris[19:17:56] *** spanglywires has joined #opensolaris[19:19:05] *** Martiini has joined #opensolaris[19:23:50] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[19:25:51] *** kdavy has joined #opensolaris[19:36:11] <CIA-56> SFE kenmays: Xfce 4.8: Added SFEthunar-vcs-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-clipman-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-eyes-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-diskperf-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-systemload-plugin.spec[19:45:00] *** ZeroHour_ has joined #opensolaris[19:46:56] *** ZeroHour has quit IRC[19:59:00] *** Z` has joined #opensolaris[20:02:04] *** ImTheBitch has joined #opensolaris[20:13:22] *** APTX has quit IRC[20:27:03] <CIA-56> SFE kenmays: Xfce 4.8: added SFExfce4-modemlights-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-mount-plugin.spec[20:28:33] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[20:31:08] *** APTX has quit IRC[20:35:27] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[20:36:32] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[20:40:25] *** plat-_ has joined #opensolaris[20:40:26] *** plat- has quit IRC[20:41:31] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[20:42:19] *** Martiini has quit IRC[20:42:24] *** APTX has quit IRC[20:44:34] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[20:49:59] *** APTX has quit IRC[20:51:35] *** APTX has joined #opensolaris[20:52:37] <CIA-56> SFE kenmays: Xfce 4.8: Test review[21:07:04] *** jdparker has quit IRC[21:14:05] *** piwi has quit IRC[21:15:18] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[21:21:07] *** jdparker has joined #opensolaris[21:30:03] *** merzo has quit IRC[22:19:11] *** Chris64 has joined #opensolaris[22:36:55] *** pothos has quit IRC[22:38:12] *** deet1 has quit IRC[22:39:01] *** pothos_ has joined #opensolaris[22:39:25] *** pothos_ is now known as pothos[22:42:58] <CIA-56> SFE kenmays: SFEthunar.spec: Bump to 1.2.3; Added SFExfce4-qcklaunch-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-timer-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-smartbmark-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-xfswitch-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-time-out-plugin.spec,SFExfce4-xmms-plugin.spec[22:46:31] *** spanglywires has joined #opensolaris[22:47:30] <_Tenchi_> it pisses me off to a great degree when pkg.oracle.com becomes unreachable[22:49:24] <RoyK> _Tenchi_: blame oracle ;)[22:49:51] <_Tenchi_> blaming myself at the moment for blowing away my locals repos :([22:51:07] <_Tenchi_> i have binary images of the release repo but blew away the support repo i had been mirroring[23:02:31] *** zz_Disorganized is now known as Disorganized[23:10:10] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[23:16:27] *** sphenxes has joined #opensolaris[23:18:12] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[23:27:52] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[23:35:41] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[23:38:17] *** sphenxes has quit IRC