April 29, 2010 
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April 29, 2010 [00:00:02] <gosx> 28,400 interrupts/second[00:01:44] <stallion_work> gosx: enable jumbo frames and/or LSO if possible[00:02:14] <stallion_work> I'm trying to remember what device bnx was... was that a broadcom 10gbe?[00:02:23] *** Apsu has quit IRC[00:02:31] <lewellyn> broacom netextreme iirc[00:02:37] *** Apsu has joined #opensolaris[00:02:39] <lewellyn> if i could type ;)[00:03:00] <gosx> it's the cheapo broadcom adapter (1gbit) that comes on dell servers these days[00:03:01] <lewellyn> jbit: so, if you were me, would you remove the packageset i specified? ;)[00:03:08] <stallion_work> gotcha[00:03:14] *** achester has quit IRC[00:03:29] <gosx> so you think jumbo frames and checksum offload might lower cpu load[00:03:37] <gosx> (neither is enabled right now)[00:03:37] <stallion_work> gosx: not much you can do other than do what I mentioned above; you're beating the crap out of your ISR which is going to create high sys load[00:03:44] <gosx> k[00:03:44] <stallion_work> gosx: yes.[00:03:46] <gosx> tyvm[00:03:55] <stallion_work> LSO is not checksum offload[00:04:02] <stallion_work> LSO == Large Segment Offload[00:04:08] <stallion_work> I'm not sure what features the driver supports[00:04:13] *** palowoda has quit IRC[00:04:33] <stallion_work> jumbo frames are only going to help if other link partners support them as well[00:04:47] *** jv_ has quit IRC[00:04:53] *** trochej has quit IRC[00:05:00] <stallion_work> but those two will certainly lower cpu involvement if enabled[00:05:09] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[00:05:11] *** merzo has quit IRC[00:05:32] *** eleusis has quit IRC[00:06:17] *** trochej has joined #opensolaris[00:06:18] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[00:06:19] <jbit> lewellyn: also, are you aware of any gotchas in getting opensolaris running under hyperV?[00:06:26] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[00:06:33] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[00:06:38] *** FireflyST has joined #opensolaris[00:06:48] <lewellyn> jbit: don't allow the management os to use whichever nic you use for the legacy network adapter[00:06:51] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[00:06:52] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[00:06:59] <lewellyn> (and you have to use a legacy network adapter)[00:07:51] <lewellyn> i'm not sure who's at fault with that, but i don't like bridging guests to a nic used by the host with any virt platform though. so i've not even started investigating.[00:08:15] <lewellyn> System Configuration: Microsoft Corporation Virtual Machine[00:08:28] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[00:09:07] <lewellyn> jbit: also, if you have multiple osol guests, do yourself a favor and install a proxy of some sort ;)[00:09:41] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[00:09:57] <lewellyn> i've not yet set one up which can be used as an origin server, but polipo in a windows vm (using a paravirtualized nic) is my choice for a regular proxy :)[00:10:21] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[00:10:58] <jbit> nah it'll only be one guest[00:10:58] <lewellyn> you could also use a paravirt nic in linux, but the idea is to try to keep as much traffic within the vm network as possible. that seems to increase performance for the legacy nic for some weird reason.[00:11:02] <lewellyn> k[00:11:24] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[00:11:37] <lewellyn> so yeah. just make sure you dedicate a nic to the external network for use by the guests :)[00:11:38] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[00:11:48] <lewellyn> otherwise, it runs sweet[00:11:51] <jbit> the machine currently runs opensolaris only, but it'd be awesome to have windows running on it for graphics stuff[00:12:22] <lewellyn> yeah. you need to use a full windows server sku for that, probably :([00:12:23] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[00:13:02] <lewellyn> i'm not sure if i have any spare keys i could transfer to you atm. probably not right now :([00:14:06] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:14:18] <jbit> i have server 2008 r2 enterprise[00:14:35] <lewellyn> that works :)[00:14:57] <jbit> hopefully :)[00:14:58] <lewellyn> in fact, it'll be nice to have when the cifs stuff starts doing dfs :)[00:15:46] <lewellyn> only gotcha with 2k8r2 is that tsclient has a corrupt mouse cursor. i should see if upgrading tsclient helps[00:15:52] <lewellyn> the version shipped is ancient :P[00:19:21] *** jv_ has joined #opensolaris[00:19:22] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[00:19:34] *** Mick27 has quit IRC[00:19:41] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[00:20:24] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[00:21:31] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[00:21:57] <lewellyn> oh i didn't even see that setuid_H was here. bah :([00:22:06] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris[00:22:22] *** Mace_N900 has joined #opensolaris[00:22:38] *** W0rmDrink has joined #opensolaris[00:24:21] *** webmink_ has quit IRC[00:24:49] *** Mick27 has joined #opensolaris[00:25:14] <jamesd2> /ban setuid # sorry we don't allow setuid binaries or scripts...[00:25:44] <lewellyn> just mount your filesystem properly ;)[00:25:49] *** plathrop-away has joined #opensolaris[00:26:10] *** plathrop-away has left #opensolaris[00:27:24] <nikolam> this virtualbox devs reely kick ass. release after release i am amazed how many new great things are added[00:27:42] *** EugeneKay is now known as EugeneKaway[00:27:46] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:28:31] <nikolam> lewellyn, latest one is experimental OsX guest support for guests ;P>[00:28:35] <eviljames> nikolam: orly? seems like I'm due for an update then.[00:29:22] <nikolam> eviljames, latest is 3.1.6[00:29:26] <lewellyn> nikolam: that's only one of the interesting things in the new beta[00:29:28] *** melbogia has quit IRC[00:29:44] <nikolam> lewellyn, and SAS controller?[00:30:01] <nikolam> cpu hot-plugging etc[00:30:03] <eviljames> nikolam: hm, I see nothing in the changelog with respect to OS X guests?[00:30:14] <lewellyn> there was something else i saw but i don't remember what[00:30:19] <lewellyn> eviljames: the 3.2 beta changelog?[00:30:24] <eviljames> oh hello![00:30:29] *** niq has quit IRC[00:30:31] <eviljames> *facepalm*[00:30:33] <nikolam> I read it from vbox-announce[00:31:37] <lewellyn> 1371 lewellyn 10M 1208K cpu0 40 0 273:17:09 25% ksh93/1[00:31:41] <lewellyn> 25%? really?[00:31:42] <nikolam> 3.1 vbox pring teleportation (live migration)[00:31:50] <lewellyn> that's a whole cpu for a shell![00:32:44] * lewellyn wonders which shell that is...[00:33:05] * stallion_work thinks smrt needs to go on a diet.[00:33:22] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:23] <lewellyn> stallion_work: it's not smrt[00:33:33] <stallion_work> lewellyn: uh huh.[00:33:38] <lewellyn> 26289 smrt 7368K 3568K sleep 59 0 0:10:51 0.9% smrtbot.version/1[00:33:51] <lewellyn> and that's on a v100[00:33:51] <nikolam> and its not death eather, lewellyn ,)[00:34:18] <stallion_work> smrt: explain why you consume so much cpu time[00:34:19] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about why you consume so much cpu time...[00:34:20] <lewellyn> i'm more concerned about a ksh93 running as me, spawned by init, using a whole core of a beefyish x86 cpu ;)[00:34:31] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[00:34:40] <stallion_work> lewellyn: its ksh93?[00:34:50] <lewellyn> oh nice![00:34:56] <lewellyn> yes. my login shell is ksh93[00:36:31] <stallion_work> lewellyn: thats just... masochistic[00:37:11] <lewellyn> http://nopaste.info/63f5d0c51b.html[00:37:30] <lewellyn> isn't that beautiful?[00:38:31] <lewellyn> let's see what happens if i kill it :P[00:39:00] <lewellyn> my cpu usage plummeted. *shrug*[00:39:33] <stallion_work> interesting[00:39:54] <stallion_work> you don't see a SIGFPE very often anymore - most people have figured out how to write floating point code properly ;)[00:40:11] <lewellyn> yeah. it may be a shell i was playing in the other day[00:40:28] <lewellyn> i was doing some not nice shell tricks ;)[00:40:39] <lewellyn> i guess i assumed the shell died when i logged out[00:41:30] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[00:41:31] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[00:41:39] <lewellyn> also... firefox 3.6.3 is far nicer irt cpu usage when compared with 3.5.5 :)[00:41:54] <lewellyn> (i didn't even notice that shell, with firefox 3.5.5 running...)[00:43:14] <lewellyn> </monologue>[00:44:25] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[00:48:05] *** EugeneKaway is now known as EugeneKay[00:50:01] *** ram| has joined #opensolaris[00:50:21] *** yippi has quit IRC[00:51:24] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[00:53:25] *** sushiandbeer has joined #opensolaris[00:54:19] *** jpd1234 has quit IRC[00:54:53] <CIA-33> Charles Binford - Sun Microsystems - Wichita <Charles.Binford at Sun dot COM>: 6902279 Add SCSI WRITE AND VERIFY support when using zvol backing store[00:55:49] * Spencer_tt didn't see a starting <monologue> tag[00:55:50] *** bklang has quit IRC[00:56:02] <lewellyn> isgml[00:56:16] <Spencer_tt> and what is that[00:56:24] <lewellyn> it uses implicit start tags rather than implicit end tags ;)[00:57:03] <Spencer_tt> what ever happened to plain sgml :p[01:00:25] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[01:00:51] <TommyTheKid> nice, a bit of hurricane electric :)[01:02:35] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:03:39] *** TommyTheKid has quit IRC[01:04:13] <mbreitba> NFS Thread limit - where can I find some documentation on that? Need to increase it - I think I'm being bottlenecked by the number of NFSD threads that are running[01:06:45] *** kitche_ is now known as kitche[01:06:47] *** dnaumov has left #opensolaris[01:06:59] *** kitche has quit IRC[01:06:59] *** kitche has joined #opensolaris[01:07:08] <seanmcg> mbreitba, man nfsd[01:07:33] *** TommyTK has joined #opensolaris[01:07:41] <TommyTK> fscking Xchat[01:11:43] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[01:13:15] <cfs> mbreitba, you can jack up that number by tweaking NFSD_SERVERS in /etc/default/nfs[01:13:27] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[01:14:05] *** n1c0b has left #opensolaris[01:17:19] *** yippi has quit IRC[01:17:41] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: xml is kinda-sorta an sgml application[01:17:57] <lewellyn> you can represent xml in sgml, but not vice-versa. (just like html is an sgml application)[01:19:12] *** dover has joined #opensolaris[01:19:48] *** icarus902 has quit IRC[01:21:05] <chris__> hello[01:21:25] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[01:22:05] <Spencer_tt> maybe I'll get a book on "it" SGML and it's applications - no i :p[01:23:51] *** lucalenardi has quit IRC[01:24:12] *** lucalenardi has joined #opensolaris[01:27:20] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[01:29:06] *** lucalenardi has quit IRC[01:30:16] *** Mick27 has quit IRC[01:31:10] *** Mace_N900 has quit IRC[01:34:40] *** dunc has quit IRC[01:35:39] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[01:36:08] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:36:48] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[01:38:15] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:39:03] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[01:44:17] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[01:45:08] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:45:55] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[01:48:38] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: hard to find current good books :([01:48:46] *** sponix has quit IRC[01:49:52] *** lattera has quit IRC[01:54:43] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[01:54:53] <Spencer_tt> I guess that's why it's a standard lewellyn[01:55:10] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[01:55:21] <lewellyn> xml has stolen its thunder[01:55:55] <Spencer_tt> there's a few books on that :)[01:56:32] <Spencer_tt> few as in with usable text without app tie in[01:56:48] *** piwi has quit IRC[01:57:46] *** hunter has quit IRC[01:58:30] *** sushiandbeer has quit IRC[01:58:34] *** ram| has left #opensolaris[01:58:50] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:59:19] *** sushiandbeer has joined #opensolaris[02:00:50] *** ecelis has quit IRC[02:00:57] *** ecelis has joined #opensolaris[02:01:57] *** h4xOr has joined #opensolaris[02:02:44] *** radsy has quit IRC[02:03:06] <snuff-work> mm.. gnome 2.30[02:03:27] *** radsy_ has joined #opensolaris[02:03:37] *** jnss has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** TomJ has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** leito has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** panos has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** hrist has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** andrnils has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** DesiJat has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** c00p has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** iceq has quit IRC[02:03:37] *** clee has quit IRC[02:03:38] *** plavcik has quit IRC[02:04:09] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris[02:04:39] *** andrnils has joined #opensolaris[02:05:33] <lewellyn> hm. are the torrents acting up?[02:05:59] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris[02:06:06] <Spencer_tt> torrents suck[02:06:10] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[02:06:13] *** jnss has joined #opensolaris[02:06:30] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[02:07:07] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: irrelevant[02:07:32] *** panos has joined #opensolaris[02:07:35] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris[02:07:36] <Spencer_tt> how so[02:07:49] <lewellyn> we link to the torrent in /topic[02:07:52] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris[02:07:57] <richlowe> lewellyn: answering the question you actually asked is *so* out of style.[02:08:15] <lewellyn> ok. i'll rephrase[02:08:17] <Spencer_tt> hey can you add a metalink to the topic :)[02:08:21] <lewellyn> is the dlc.sun.com tracker acting up?[02:08:37] <odyi> Anyone happen to have gotten nfs4/krb5 linux clients working with opensolaris nfs/krb5 shares?[02:09:10] <odyi> Everything looks set up but linux boxes can't mount anything. but I can auth from linux boxes to solaris with kadmin.[02:09:17] *** sushiandbeer has quit IRC[02:09:51] *** sushiandbeer has joined #opensolaris[02:10:03] <richlowe> lewellyn: can't tell.[02:10:07] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[02:12:53] *** DesiJat has joined #opensolaris[02:12:53] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris[02:12:53] *** clee has joined #opensolaris[02:13:31] <lewellyn> richlowe: i'm assuming it has to do with the datacenter move[02:13:43] <alanc> we can blame a lot on that[02:13:45] <richlowe> lewellyn: connecting looks fine, etc, but no peers.[02:13:52] <lewellyn> i'm not sure if website-discuss is the proper place to poke :P[02:13:56] <richlowe> lewellyn: *however* transmission claims to ask some UPnP thing to forward ports, and *succeed*[02:13:58] <lewellyn> richlowe: i get Access denied on all mine[02:14:02] <alanc> I'm sure the datacenter move is also blocking updates to the repos[02:14:08] <richlowe> whatever "some UPnP thing" is, it sure isn't acting as a gateway.[02:14:12] <richlowe> at least, not one to the outside world.[02:14:24] <lewellyn> i have/had 50+ dlc torrents going[02:15:04] <richlowe> alanc: unusually bitter today? :)[02:15:13] <lewellyn> i see nothing unusual ;)[02:15:24] *** sushiandbeer has quit IRC[02:15:37] <alanc> I didn't think I was any more than normal[02:16:23] <alanc> I even happily got my SPARC build machine up and running off the newly installed IPS partition, with the SVR4 one still available when we need to boot back into it[02:16:37] *** sushiandbeer has joined #opensolaris[02:16:45] <lewellyn> happily? wow :)[02:17:02] <alanc> just had to remember that edp's blog misses one crucial step of setting the zfs bootfs property[02:19:16] *** radsy_ has quit IRC[02:19:51] *** EugeneKay is now known as EugeneKaway[02:20:02] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[02:20:19] <alanc> and now to find out if I successfully picked the right set of packages to install for the builds to work, since I was trying to be a little bit better than sfw's developer/sfw == redistributable[02:20:21] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[02:20:37] *** EugeneKaway is now known as EugeneKay[02:21:40] *** radsy has quit IRC[02:22:15] <lewellyn> alanc: are you going to document it on your blog? :)[02:22:16] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[02:22:23] *** scott__ has joined #opensolaris[02:22:53] <alanc> wasn't planning on it, figured documenting it in developer-opensolaris-x11.mf would be enough[02:23:01] <lewellyn> heh[02:23:19] <lewellyn> i meant a howto of sorts[02:24:04] <alanc> well, and eventually in the gate README as "pkg install developer/opensolaris/x11 to get the dependencies needed to build X"[02:24:39] <lewellyn> oh crap. i gotta build a new awn to build the new awn-extras. lame.[02:24:45] *** EugeneKay is now known as EugeneKaway[02:25:02] <alanc> howto migrate a machine from SVR4 to IPS? not sure I'd have much to add over http://blogs.sun.com/edp/entry/moving_from_nevada_and_live[02:25:58] <alanc> except that it gets much easier if you don't try to start on snv_109 to install IPS snv_134 - doing it from a snv_130 BE on the SVR4 side went much much easier[02:26:13] <lewellyn> his blog assumes your disk has free slices :P[02:26:28] *** ottom has joined #opensolaris[02:27:11] <alanc> yeah, my problem was I nuked the snv_130 BE to free the slice for the IPS BE[02:27:19] <richlowe> Surely everyone used live upgrade?[02:27:22] <richlowe> so they do have free slices.[02:27:35] <lewellyn> richlowe: lu on zfs root only uses one slice, no?[02:27:37] <richlowe> (can they really not share an rpool?)[02:28:21] <alanc> ended up having to use luupgrade to move the snv_109 UFS BE to the slice as a new zfs rpool, then luupgrade it to snv_130 and then reuse the old snv_109 slice for the IPS BE[02:28:33] <richlowe> lewellyn: I assumed they could share an rpool, in that instance.[02:28:41] <richlowe> create root fs, image-create in it, blah blah blah.[02:29:24] <richlowe> now I'm wondering why they can't.[02:29:33] <lewellyn> richlowe: yeah. i've not tried building a BE from scratch and i've not seen a blog that doesn't take the shortcut of lucreating[02:29:41] <lewellyn> also, image-create?[02:29:47] <lewellyn> oh. pkg[02:30:59] <richlowe> alanc: You seem motivated to give it a shot...[02:31:10] <richlowe> I mean, you did it so recently, it's all fresh in the mind, right?[02:31:12] <lewellyn> i mean, it'd certainly be convenient if i could just jump on over to indiana from sxce by making a new BE from scratch. (in comparison to a fresh install)[02:31:37] <alanc> I've blogged once this year already - that makes me already tied with my total blog posts for last year - wouldn't want to go over my quota[02:31:59] <richlowe> lewellyn: I filed: #5840, way too long ago[02:32:24] <lewellyn> alanc: that's why i stopped "blogging"[02:32:45] <lewellyn> 504 Host defect.opesolaris.org lookup failed: Host not found[02:32:48] <lewellyn> bah. i need to learn to type[02:33:33] <Spencer_tt> like https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/ ?[02:33:40] <Spencer_tt> you can click that lewellyn :)[02:33:49] <lewellyn> richlowe: bah. only a year and a half old[02:34:02] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i couldn't figure out why the awesomebar didn't complete it :P[02:34:12] <Spencer_tt> :p[02:34:13] <lewellyn> it wasn't awesome enough to see my tyoppo[02:34:19] <Spencer_tt> it's taking a break :D[02:34:27] * alanc has a firefox shortcut for that bookmark so I can just type "doo" into the address bar (or "doo 5840")[02:34:30] <Spencer_tt> :)[02:34:56] <lewellyn> alanc: i keep meaning to do that but then i have to try to keep them all in sync across browsers :P[02:35:21] <lewellyn> i'll probably set up a shorturl-like thing locally for that[02:35:25] <richlowe> the mozilla weave thingummy[02:35:41] <lewellyn> dodo/doo/5840[02:35:51] <lewellyn> dodo/tw/alanc[02:35:52] <lewellyn> :)[02:36:06] <lewellyn> rewrites++[02:37:02] <Spencer_tt> is the awesomness coming across[02:37:15] <alanc> hmm, hg diff output is 542715 bytes, this is going to be a big webrev...[02:37:26] *** EugeneKaway is now known as EugeneKay[02:38:50] <richlowe> alanc: diffstat | tail -1?[02:39:06] <lewellyn> oh bah...[02:39:18] <lewellyn> yippi isn't around... i have a question for him :)[02:39:56] <richlowe> alanc: last I created a large webrev on an osol system with /usr/gnu before /usr/bin, gawk sat spinning for an age and a half.[02:41:03] *** Laidback01 has quit IRC[02:41:40] <alanc> 925 files changed, 957 insertions(+), 1897 deletions(-)[02:42:17] <Beket> what's that diff against ?[02:42:34] <alanc> the X Consolidation[02:42:49] *** encode_ is now known as encode[02:43:05] <lewellyn> he's listening to gdamore and deleting things :)[02:43:30] <richlowe> alanc: Yeah, you may want to make sure /usr/bin precedes /usr/gnu/bin, then.[02:43:36] <alanc> du -h says 103M for the webrev - I'll refain from posting that one to cr.opensolaris.org[02:43:40] <richlowe> or, alternatively, do the inverse and try and figure out *why* it's sucking.[02:43:45] <alanc> richlowe: it always does in my path[02:44:00] <richlowe> alanc: *some* of us move with the times![02:44:12] <snuff-work> 103mb.. impressive..[02:44:25] <alanc> took about 10 minutes for webrev to generate it[02:44:32] <richlowe> that's not so bad.[02:44:44] <alanc> it's a really really really boring change though[02:45:13] <alanc> s/Copyright .* Sun/Copyright ... Oracle/g on the entire gate[02:45:25] <richlowe> Why not do it the way ON is, as-needed?[02:45:34] <richlowe> also, have you been bitten by the lack of double-spacing yet?[02:46:01] <alanc> because it was easy to script and I got tired of people complaining about having to do it manually, or having to explain to them what to do[02:46:20] <snuff-work> but do they have correct start dates?[02:46:41] <richlowe> start dates should be easy[02:46:49] <richlowe> alanc: (you're still in teamware, right?)[02:46:57] <alanc> nope, hg[02:46:59] <snuff-work> or since sun helped build it.. its blanket ?[02:47:03] <richlowe> then slightly less easy[02:47:30] <alanc> but just changing the paths to the TW & hg masters in JBeck's startdate script was easy[02:48:03] *** Amse is now known as jazpexxx[02:48:14] <alanc> also, since X is SFW/JDS style, most of the real sources are in *.tar.bz2 files, not directly in the gate - it's mostly the makefiles & pkg files in our gate[02:48:46] <alanc> which is why it's 925 files, not 10000[02:51:00] <snuff-work> ah least u didn't have to make the script.. so it wasn't hugely tedious for you...[02:52:03] *** ultrasparc-viii has quit IRC[02:52:34] <alanc> it's actually a smaller change than the one I did last year to update the MIT license notice on all our files[02:52:53] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[02:54:16] <richlowe> alanc: so, who has the pleasure of fixing the CDE gates?[02:54:24] <richlowe> alanc: since it seems to be you who gets to do anything boring to CDE[02:54:51] <alanc> the CDE copyright update bug is currently assigned to me[02:54:53] *** tosh has quit IRC[02:54:54] <CIA-33> Daniel Beauregard <Daniel.Beauregard at Sun dot COM>: 6881968 qlc going offline and online, excessive spurious interrupts, 6945242 QLogic P3P chipset corrections, 6945245 Correction of CNA xioctl loopback support, 6945247 QLogic CNA ETS support is not fully implemented in the qlc driver[02:55:12] <richlowe> alanc: there's always stefan :)[02:55:14] <alanc> the other update work is split between myself and some of the desktop sustaining team[02:57:10] * snuff-work read the psarc about gnome 2.30.. shame about the req for opengl.. backporting what everyone doesn't love[03:00:50] <Spencer_tt> so what's desktop modernisation all about at opensolaris[03:01:49] <lewellyn> i still want to see how much work compiling olvwm would be :)[03:02:08] *** nanase has quit IRC[03:02:26] <Spencer_tt> remember I have no idea what I'm getting into as a random chatter :)[03:03:23] <alanc> desktop modernisaton? what's that?[03:03:47] <Spencer_tt> no idea[03:03:52] <joshua_> opensolaris's desktop has been modernized from sysvinit to smf ;)[03:03:57] <Spencer_tt> this looks interesting http://xwinman.org/screenshots/olvwm-yetter.jpg :d[03:04:22] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: its man page is at http://web.archive.org/web/20070204233345/home.nyc.rr.com/twopks/olvwm/olvwm.pdf[03:04:35] <Spencer_tt> hmm[03:04:56] <lewellyn> i love the olvwm faq, btw. it's ten years old now...[03:05:22] <lewellyn> I can't apply the patches using the Solaris patch utlity. What do I do?[03:05:23] <lewellyn> The version of patch that ships with Solaris is about 10 years old. It's basically worthless. You need to get a newer version of patch. One place to get it is here.[03:05:27] <alanc> ah, figured you had some reason for asking, but if not... then "desktop modernization" must be a project you just invented[03:05:37] <Spencer_tt> it looks kinda dated[03:05:44] <lewellyn> How do I run OLVWM instead of that abominable CDE?[03:05:54] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: it's a clone of an old sun window manager[03:06:02] <Spencer_tt> there should be command somewhere :)[03:06:02] <lewellyn> of COURSE it looks dated[03:06:11] <alanc> lewellyn: we finally fixed patch a few builds ago when I convinced comay to ln -s /usr/gnu/bin/patch /usr/bin/patch[03:06:27] <lewellyn> yeah. :P[03:06:31] <lewellyn> Where do I find the olgx (OPEN LOOK graphics) library?[03:06:44] * lewellyn looks at alanc... will i have a problem with this? :([03:06:48] *** W0rmDrink has joined #opensolaris[03:07:00] <richlowe> lewellyn: think so[03:07:23] <alanc> olgx? looks like a typo for olga or ogl (opengl)[03:07:24] <lewellyn> they link to http://ftp.x.org/R5contrib/xview3.2/ :P[03:07:28] <Spencer_tt> I think some awe will be in order[03:07:40] <alanc> fortunately, even for an oldtimer like me, OpenLook is before my time[03:07:43] <lewellyn> alanc: openlook graphics[03:07:46] <Spencer_tt> or should I say would be :D[03:07:49] <richlowe> alanc: sure, sure[03:08:16] * lewellyn decides to say fuck it and writes a quick-n-dirty spec to see what wonderful way the compile fails[03:08:37] <alanc> the packages for it are currently not in any repo, because no one ever wanted it in one[03:09:01] <alanc> there will always be S10 branded zones for that if you must[03:09:25] <lewellyn> so it's not worth my time? :P[03:09:39] <lewellyn> is xview around still? :P[03:10:01] <alanc> I think the source is out there on the net somewhere[03:10:22] <lewellyn> ftp.x.org[03:10:30] <lewellyn> so xview isn't packaged[03:10:39] <lewellyn> is scott oaks still at sun/oracle? ;)[03:10:40] <Spencer_tt> can you assign video ram for use in a branded zone[03:10:58] <alanc> as for your time, that's up to you - certainly more likely that you could build a spec and get it into /contrib than we convince a lawyer to dust off the filing cabinets to check the ancient license scrolls[03:11:33] *** scott__ has quit IRC[03:11:35] <richlowe> assuming you have what you'd like the license to be identified, dip them in water to get blank paper, then inscribe with a magic marker. :)[03:12:04] <lewellyn> yeah. it'd be kinda neat seeing olwm in contrib is the only reason i've kept this in the back of my head[03:13:09] <lewellyn> olwm died with S8, right?[03:13:18] <alanc> sounds right[03:14:18] <lewellyn> oh wow. there's an openlook project on sourceforge[03:15:53] <lewellyn> this may actually be a kind of fun little thing to do.[03:17:47] <lewellyn> it looks like someone actually updated olwm too... how weird.[03:20:03] <Spencer_tt> are you sure it's not a porting bot[03:20:36] <lewellyn> pretty sure. these aren't exactly the same as the X11R5 contrib sources. someone poked at it to make it happier with R6[03:21:06] *** bubbva has quit IRC[03:23:09] <lewellyn> there are R3 directions... O_o[03:24:17] <Spencer_tt> something like this http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/ahlen/www/x3270/Docs/Build.html ?[03:24:33] <lewellyn> NO[03:24:37] <lewellyn> stupid caps[03:24:55] <Spencer_tt> please go on[03:24:55] <lewellyn> In order to run under Release 3, you must[03:24:55] <lewellyn> define the PRE_R4_ICCCM compile-time flag (see config/XView.cf)[03:24:55] <lewellyn> and the set resource, xview.icccmcompliant, to False in the[03:24:56] <lewellyn> .Xdefaults file (see the xview man page).[03:25:31] * lewellyn watches alanc cringe ;)[03:26:44] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[03:27:28] <lewellyn> hm... i wonder what replaced XSunExt.h[03:27:56] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[03:28:51] <lewellyn> i also kind of wonder if the xviewbugs at Eng dot Sun.COM alias still exists ;)[03:28:52] <alanc> I remember seeing XSunExt.h once and being unable to figure out what it was for[03:29:06] <lewellyn> apparently for internationalization[03:29:20] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[03:29:20] <lewellyn> at least that's what i appear to be losing without it[03:29:22] <alanc> xviewbugs at eng dot .. User unknown[03:29:25] <lewellyn> heh[03:29:45] *** nikolam has quit IRC[03:29:49] <alanc> oh, probably got replaced when we moved to X11R7 Xlib then[03:30:32] <lewellyn> yeah. i'll look at what it's trying to find in a moment :)[03:31:10] <alanc> ah, it used to be in our source under xc/programs/imserver/htt/XSunExt.h - but that all moved to g11n long ago[03:31:23] <Wes-> IIRC there is an xview build on sunfreeware.com for Solaris 2.5 - should run fine on anything newer (of the same arch) since Sun is so awesome at that backwards comaptibility stuff[03:31:53] <lewellyn> Wes-: i'm trying to get it into contrib ;)[03:32:00] <lewellyn> pkg install olwm[03:32:01] <lewellyn> ;)[03:33:12] <Wes-> OIC, lol[03:33:32] <Wes-> That said, 2.5 was X11R5, and Steve is good at keeping sources + build instructions around :)[03:33:57] <lewellyn> i've got plenty of sources. it's now a matter of getting them into a binary :)[03:34:15] <lewellyn> you can't just configure && make this[03:34:28] <lewellyn> Imakefiles galore![03:35:16] <Aria> xmkmf -a; make world?[03:35:23] <jbk> haha does anyone actually use those anymore?[03:35:47] <lewellyn> jbk: the supported systems include: SparcStation 1, SunOS 4.1.2[03:35:57] <jbk> haha[03:36:19] <lewellyn> "Building a lint library is not yet supported."[03:36:43] <lewellyn> i take that to mean "and it probably never will unless someone talks nice to oracle's lawyers"[03:36:58] <Wes-> I think the first system I ran xview on was one of those old IPCs, remember them? sun4c, sideways kinda half-pizza box[03:37:05] <jbk> yep[03:37:13] <jbk> one was the lab print server in college =][03:37:18] <lewellyn> "Libraries generated with this source should be interchangeable with those from the OpenWindows Version 3.2 release."[03:37:26] *** mph has quit IRC[03:37:50] <lewellyn> fun![03:37:58] <Wes-> I also remember running olwm over SLIP -- on a 14.4kbps modem back then. Thank God for lbx :)[03:38:15] * lewellyn passes around some lbxproxies[03:38:21] *** longcat has joined #opensolaris[03:38:30] *** longcat has left #opensolaris[03:39:03] <Wes-> Now the internet is so fast, that with well-written apps (emacs) I can't tell the difference between home and work computers half the time![03:39:11] <lewellyn> i actually kinda wanted lbx the other day. running an X app over a dozen layers of ssh is painful :P[03:39:15] <Wes-> I remember when a T1 line would serve 50,000 people[03:39:19] *** mph has joined #opensolaris[03:39:29] <jbk> kinda sad the X protocol won out...[03:39:37] <lewellyn> jbk: over?[03:39:38] <lewellyn> W?[03:39:40] <jbk> from what i've read the way news worked seemed much better[03:39:56] <Wes-> lewellyn: trick - if you can - xhost + the first 'inside the dmz' server and cut down the ssh hops :)[03:39:58] <lewellyn> news was niche. x wasn't[03:40:09] <jbk> basically the widgets and such ran on the display, so i would think that the network traffic should be far lower[03:40:26] <lewellyn> jbk: like rdp? ;)[03:40:30] <Wes-> NeWS was doomed to fail because it was spelled funny[03:40:37] <Aria> lewellyn... lbx < nx[03:40:42] <Wes-> Actually, it was doomed to fail because even on Sun systems it was second-class for daily tasks[03:40:43] <lewellyn> just like leenoox[03:40:54] <jbk> i didn't think rdp did that -- it was still sending everything over[03:41:16] <jbk> like if you clicked, IIRC, you didn't have the traffic to show the clicked and unclicked state of the button over the network[03:41:16] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[03:41:18] <lewellyn> jbk: it sends a bunch of bitmaps the client can cache for future connections[03:41:19] <alanc> we still ship lbxproxy, but Xorg doesn't support LBX so it's not very useful[03:41:29] <alanc> ssh compression beats LBX in many cases[03:41:35] <Aria> Yeah.[03:41:37] <jbk> the code running on the display actually did all of that and just sent 'button X click'[03:41:44] <Aria> Ever used NX though? Man is it fast.[03:41:47] <lewellyn> alanc: except latency :P[03:41:50] <jbk> so it was i guess higher level[03:41:59] <Wes-> ssh compression + LBX should still win, due to the cheating LBX can do[03:42:14] <lewellyn> Wes-: there was a good page about that a few years ago[03:42:24] <lewellyn> (circa lbx dying)[03:42:50] <Wes-> I may have read that. I read a good page on LBX once upon a time, I remember doing it from DEC Alpha, so I know it was a pretty long time ago. :)[03:42:56] <Wes-> Alpha was run a multia running Redhat 5[03:43:06] <lewellyn> well, lbx finally died a year or three ago[03:43:12] <jbk> uugh..[03:43:27] * jbk remembers trying to install linux on a multia[03:43:37] <lewellyn> pain in the ass, yes :P[03:43:56] <jbk> it'd be faster to install gnome over a 300 baud link[03:43:58] <lewellyn> debian was the worst of the bunch[03:44:11] <jbk> plus at the time, the alpha port was still very buggy[03:44:17] <lewellyn> you'd think the debian installer would be faster :P[03:44:26] <jbk> let alone the sheer number of apps that weren't 64-bit clean[03:44:40] <lewellyn> i ran linux on sparc briefly around then too[03:45:06] <lewellyn> my impression is that it's not matured as well as you'd hope since then :P[03:45:47] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[03:46:36] <psychicist> mostly to do with the kernel itself, I suppose?[03:50:36] * lewellyn 's eyes cross looking at Imakefiles[03:50:56] *** Aria has quit IRC[03:51:14] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[03:51:48] *** sushiandbeer has quit IRC[03:52:29] *** sushiandbeer has joined #opensolaris[03:54:42] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[03:54:44] *** wdp has quit IRC[03:55:10] *** bklang has quit IRC[03:57:01] <Wes-> jbk: remember what they were doing for 64-bit and alignment cleanliness? kernel was patching after traps in real time, then logging bugs in syslog![03:57:29] <Wes-> Imakefile: *comfort*[03:57:43] <Wes-> I haven't had to think about those in years, except to build x2x a couple of years ago[03:57:53] *** Mongoose has joined #opensolaris[03:58:51] <lewellyn> wow. x2x. i wonder if that still works![03:59:19] <Mongoose> Are there known problems with installing FreeBSD 64 bit as a guest OS?[03:59:21] * alanc had to release a new version of imake last week[03:59:25] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[03:59:26] <Mongoose> No answer in the room of name[03:59:41] <lewellyn> alanc: i'm sorry. that means you had to do worse than look at Imakefiles :([03:59:49] *** sushiandbeer has quit IRC[03:59:58] <lewellyn> Mongoose: your question wasn't exactly relevant to opensolaris[03:59:59] <alanc> as a guest OS in what? OpenSolaris is an OS, not a virtualization plaftorm[04:00:13] <Mongoose> virtualbox, I mean[04:00:27] <lewellyn> i dunno. #vbox would be a better channel[04:01:04] <alanc> only tried Linux & Solaris as vbox guests myself, no idea about bsd[04:02:12] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[04:04:12] <lewellyn> i don't think i have any bsd guests of any flavor atm[04:05:22] *** leito has quit IRC[04:07:18] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[04:07:26] *** Mongoose has quit IRC[04:07:41] <Beket> freebsd amd64 works fine here[04:07:59] <Beket> just like freebsd i386[04:08:15] <lewellyn> eww... i don't want to debug Imakefiles older than some of the people who would potentially use this thing ;)[04:08:35] <lewellyn> (it's not that old, but still)[04:08:57] <lewellyn> something's mixing cc and gcc[04:11:28] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[04:11:53] <Spencer_tt> now how do you separate the two, by reading the docs?[04:12:00] <lewellyn> ?[04:12:01] <Spencer_tt> cc & gcc[04:12:24] <lewellyn> i changed #define CcCmd gcc to cc[04:13:40] *** infomomo has quit IRC[04:13:52] <Spencer_tt> I bet that gets rid of many compile errors, anything else a newbie should do on building with opensolaris[04:14:17] <lewellyn> i would hope newbies aren't taking 10-15 year old sources and trying to compile them[04:14:58] <Spencer_tt> they should be building & making other source packages?[04:15:45] <lewellyn> things which resemble something that's maintained, maybe[04:17:48] <Spencer_tt> fair enough - how would one fanatic build guis on opensolaris - I'm assuming it's no different from building guis in qt[04:19:04] <lewellyn> for qt, you need qt first[04:19:09] <lewellyn> exercise for the reader[04:19:40] *** trochej has quit IRC[04:19:55] *** trochej has joined #opensolaris[04:21:02] <Spencer_tt> so how do you build gui items on opensolaris is it any different from any *nix operating system[04:22:16] <lewellyn> why would it be?[04:22:56] *** n3kl has joined #opensolaris[04:23:00] <n3kl> Hello.[04:23:25] <n3kl> I am having some trouble with my system. I changed some hardware in my system and now the network seems funky. When I boot the system off the live cd, dladm show-link displays the network interface as up, and it gets a dhcp address, as is the default from the live cd. Then when I boot my crumbling system, dladm show-link show all unknown status, and I can no longer do ifconfig nge0. I get interface not found er something.[04:23:28] <Wes-> lewellyn: x2x works fine, I use it regularly. Cheaper setup than synergy[04:23:34] <n3kl> Does anyone know how I might clear this up?[04:23:45] <Wes-> lewellyn: frankly, it should be an opensolaris package if you ask me :)[04:24:53] <lewellyn> Wes-: i'll make a note ;)[04:24:55] <Spencer_tt> because I'm assuming the only difference is your build environment with cc as a compiler for one and the build tools[04:25:15] <Wes-> On solaris 10, you would do a reconfiguration boot to make sure the new hardware was recognized. OTOH, somebody will probably pipe up and say *that's* deprecated too. ;)[04:25:27] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: the problem was that Imakefiles are old and crufty[04:25:31] <Wes-> lewellyn: Ping me if you can't find the sources. I have a 1.27 tarball around here somewhere[04:26:58] <n3kl> So what might cause the live cd to detect the network interface status, but the booted system to show unknown status?[04:27:39] <Spencer_tt> so it should be as easy as changing the compiler name from gcc to cc and building non protesting packages to get pkg files at some reasonable rate with a average machine?[04:30:01] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: if you're asking about the thing i'm poking at, it's slightly more work than that[04:30:19] <lewellyn> i'm trying to figure out where /opt/SUNWmotif has moved to right now ;)[04:30:44] <Spencer_tt> slocate ?[04:30:44] <alanc> lewellyn: /usr/dt ?[04:30:54] <alanc> /opt/SUNWmotif sounds pre-CDE integration[04:32:32] <lewellyn> alanc: i'm poking at stuff in the various x.org contrib dirs ;)[04:34:09] <lewellyn> Wes-: i found 1.27 :)[04:34:31] <alanc> I've not verified our current imake config files are sane, wouldn't be surprised to find out we need to fix stuff to get things to build[04:35:08] <lewellyn> well, contrib stuff isn't really something that x.org cares about :)[04:35:14] <n3kl> Anyone?[04:36:07] *** psychicist has quit IRC[04:38:22] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[04:41:15] *** tsoome has quit IRC[04:42:58] <Spencer_tt> you could start the device driver applet and see if your ni(c) gets picked up[04:43:44] *** hunter has left #opensolaris[04:43:48] *** ksool has quit IRC[04:45:26] <n3kl> is there a way to do that from cli?[04:45:31] <n3kl> My X doesn't start[04:46:08] <Spencer_tt> from the cli I doubt[04:46:32] *** EugeneKay is now known as EugeneKaway[04:46:39] <n3kl> so the other option would be to get iscsi working on the live cd[04:46:59] *** JonathanYC has joined #opensolaris[04:47:03] <JonathanYC> Hello :D[04:47:13] <JonathanYC> I've tried installing the flash plugin, and I've copied the plugin to[04:47:20] <JonathanYC> /home/jonathan/.mozilla/plugins[04:47:20] <n3kl> /usr is ro, so could I import my zfs pool, mount the real /usr over top and export the iscsi target?[04:47:26] <JonathanYC> However, it still fails to load in forefox.[04:47:28] <Spencer_tt> that's another way to play around without doing anything harmful yep[04:47:35] <JonathanYC> Does anyone know why this would not be working?[04:47:46] <alanc> JonathanYC: on recent builds you also need to pkg install medialib[04:47:53] <JonathanYC> alanc: Thanks :D[04:47:59] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[04:48:02] <alanc> if you got flash from the extra repo, the pkg dependency would handle it for you[04:48:11] <JonathanYC> Wait, I can?[04:48:18] <JonathanYC> Do you know the package name?[04:48:31] <JonathanYC> I saw a fwflash, but that seems to be a firmware thing[04:48:39] <JonathanYC> I already installed the extras repository[04:48:41] <alanc> web/firefox/plugin/flash[04:49:38] <JonathanYC> wow! Thanks :D[04:52:22] <Spencer_tt> flash is exciting :D[04:52:27] <Spencer_tt> * .[04:53:28] <JonathanYC> Spencer_tt: To be truthful, I would rather do without it... but with all the RIA powered by it nowadays it is hard to let go :([04:54:14] <Spencer_tt> hmm if they where programmers with deep pockets they would have done away with it I bet[04:54:37] <JonathanYC> Heh[04:54:45] <JonathanYC> Maybe. But for now...[04:55:15] *** lattera has quit IRC[04:55:42] <Spencer_tt> nobody cares.[04:56:32] <Spencer_tt> we can all use it because it's there[04:57:22] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[04:58:09] <lewellyn> ooh. sucessful build. nice... not bad for ancient junk[05:05:17] <n3kl> How can I mount over top a directory. My mount -o bind is failing me[05:10:39] <n3kl> Right now I am booted in the live cd. I have rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1 mounted at /mnt/root. How can I use the iscsi environment from /mnt/root rather than / to get the daemon started so I can connect to it from anothe rsystem and pull the data?[05:13:57] *** jazpexxx is now known as Amse[05:16:38] <Beket> how does one uninstalla font ?[05:16:42] <Beket> uninstall*[05:17:06] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: ancient junk?[05:17:22] <alanc> figure out what package the font is in, pkg uninstall the package[05:18:46] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: xmdiary[05:19:25] <lewellyn> it was simpler to poke at before looking at xview. same era, so i figured it'd be good knowledge to have an idea of how things have matured since 199x[05:20:37] <lewellyn> pkgbuild: SFExmdiary.spec(109): Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found[05:20:41] <lewellyn> almost! :D[05:21:03] * lewellyn boggles at the empty /usr/include that's sitting in the install dir[05:21:39] <Spencer_tt> ancient doesn't mean neglected does it[05:23:05] <lewellyn> oh and this version was released by someone else because the maintainer was unreachable in 1997[05:23:25] <lewellyn> i'd say that's pretty neglected[05:23:57] <Spencer_tt> so it helps when there regular looks at code I bet :)[05:24:29] <lewellyn> at least these sources are aware that there's an svr4 sunos[05:24:49] *** Garen has quit IRC[05:26:44] <lewellyn> i'll poke at it more later. time to scavenge for food![05:28:53] <skeeziks> Ugh[05:29:07] <skeeziks> Anyone here using self-credential mode with the native LDAP client in snv_134?[05:30:42] *** nikolam_ has quit IRC[05:31:55] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[05:32:49] <skeeziks> ldap_cachemgr seems to lose its mind when my Kerberos creds expire. I'm working on collecting infos now. Which mailing list should I use to ask the community?[05:33:37] <jbk> probably sparks-discuss[05:33:49] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[05:33:51] <skeeziks> jbk: What does `sparks' mean?[05:34:21] <jbk> it was the name of a now cancelled project[05:34:38] <jbk> that (among other things) added self-credentialed lookups for ldap[05:34:54] <jbk> some of the engineers that worked on it still read that list iirc[05:35:01] <skeeziks> Oh great[05:35:11] <skeeziks> Man, that's one of my favorite features in Solaris[05:35:13] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[05:43:19] <alanc> Sparks is a city that's basically merged with Reno as the valley between them filled, since they were using Nevada cities as code names for all the networking projects targeting Nevada then[05:44:13] <skeeziks> Ah neat[05:44:44] <skeeziks> Was the project cancelled because it completed its work?[05:50:33] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[05:54:52] <CIA-33> chenlu chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Chenlu.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6902304 Hamilton B4: sunvts 7.0: netlbtest always fails on 1G switch for 10G interface(ixgbe0 or ixgbe1)[05:58:19] *** EugeneKaway is now known as EugeneKay[05:59:13] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[06:13:05] *** lateau has quit IRC[06:16:40] *** Metamucil has quit IRC[06:17:04] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[06:18:23] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[06:19:01] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[06:20:19] *** EugeneKay is now known as EugeneKaway[06:21:11] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[06:28:22] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[06:28:22] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[06:32:22] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[06:32:22] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[06:33:53] <lewellyn> ok. back to crufty motif stuff[06:35:11] <lewellyn> haha. this thing does dps apparently[06:35:25] <lewellyn> i can't wait to try it![06:35:54] *** Metamucil has joined #opensolaris[06:38:35] *** Asias has joined #opensolaris[06:39:22] *** leito has quit IRC[06:42:23] <alanc> sadly, we still ship the DPS client libraries[06:42:32] <lewellyn> so this thing may actually run[06:42:40] <alanc> even the libdpstkXm.so.5[06:42:47] <alanc> stupid binary compatibility[06:43:02] <alanc> stupid Java that actually used libdps[06:43:02] <lewellyn> i'm actually going to be impressed if this thing runs[06:43:17] <lblume> Java used DPS? o_O[06:43:25] <Beket> whats dps?[06:43:37] <lewellyn> i just chose it out of the x.org contrib dir as something simpler than xview to see what may need to be done ;)[06:43:45] <lewellyn> Beket: displaypostscript[06:43:48] <alanc> it used libDPS to get at the XATM postscript font rendering in DPS[06:43:55] <lewellyn> alanc: hahaha[06:44:01] <lewellyn> xatm... :([06:44:16] <lewellyn> it's too bad those sources can't be opened[06:44:20] <alanc> I don't think Java ever did any DPS rendering, just font rasterizing[06:44:34] <lblume> Quaint.[06:44:49] *** alech has quit IRC[06:44:50] <lewellyn> lblume: you missed my end goal[06:44:56] <lewellyn> i want to see olwm in contrib[06:44:58] <JonathanYC> Heh[06:44:59] <lewellyn> talk about quaint ;)[06:45:00] <JonathanYC> Does anyone else[06:45:04] <JonathanYC> experience crashing/freezing[06:45:04] <alanc> feel free to ask Adobe to open source their postscript engine - I'm sure they won't mind giving up all the licensing money from the printer vendors[06:45:08] *** alech has joined #opensolaris[06:45:13] <JonathanYC> with JavaFX on OpenSolaris[06:45:17] <lewellyn> alanc: as i said... it's too bad :)[06:45:20] <lewellyn> JonathanYC:[06:45:21] <lewellyn> can you[06:45:25] <lewellyn> fit more[06:45:28] <lewellyn> on one line?[06:45:42] <lewellyn> like perhaps a complete thought? :)[06:45:48] <JonathanYC> no, I'm sorry[06:45:50] <JonathanYC> that is beyond[06:45:52] <JonathanYC> my capabilities[06:45:59] * lewellyn bets JonathanYC is really william shatner[06:46:13] <lblume> olwm........[06:46:14] <JonathanYC> Beam me up, Scotty :/[06:46:22] <alanc> <pause for dramatic effect>[06:46:29] <JonathanYC> Klingons![06:46:40] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: good luck finding anyone in here who will admit to using java, let alone javafx, though ;)[06:46:44] <lewellyn> lblume: yup :)[06:46:59] * lblume is using Jalbum :-P[06:47:00] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: In that case, you suggest what for RIAs?[06:47:01] <lewellyn> lblume: if i do it, it'll be all of xview[06:47:07] <lewellyn> RIAA?[06:47:15] *** xapiens has quit IRC[06:47:18] <JonathanYC> Gah[06:47:28] <alanc> I've tried running a JavaFX twitter client, but it does crash every few days[06:47:28] <JonathanYC> I'm just trying to find something to learn[06:47:31] *** Metamucil has quit IRC[06:47:41] <JonathanYC> I don't want to learn Flash, as my pockets aren't that deep[06:47:54] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: RIAs doesn't pull up much useful in the web search thinger[06:47:55] <JonathanYC> And this channel appears to be non-Java sympathetic ;) So what do you guys suggest?[06:48:11] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: Web search thinger? Where?[06:48:17] <lewellyn> bing.com[06:48:24] <JonathanYC> Rich Internet Applications (RIAs) are web applications that have many of the characteristics of desktop applications, typically delivered either by way of a ...[06:48:28] <Spencer_tt> flash is for visual designers :p[06:48:43] <Spencer_tt> usually art students.[06:49:00] <JonathanYC> Hello again, Spencer_tt :D[06:49:08] <JonathanYC> Then what do you guys suggest D:[06:49:12] <Spencer_tt> hi JonathanYC[06:49:17] <alanc> our UI design people like to mock up stuff in flash, and then give it to the coders to turn into gtk code[06:49:19] *** Asias has quit IRC[06:49:21] <Aria> (You can develop for Flash for free. And Flash-the-tool isn't the right tool for making apps.)[06:50:10] <Spencer_tt> or some guys I've seen do their stuff on paper usually A3 paper or less to graphics or gui[06:50:22] <JonathanYC> alanc: GTK is a RIA platform now?[06:50:31] <JonathanYC> Aria: Really? You don't mean openlazslo, do you?[06:50:41] <alanc> JonathanYC: no, I work in the real desktop software group[06:50:55] <Aria> No, I mean the free Flex SDK[06:51:27] <Aria> Flex Builder, the IDE, and Flash, the animation tool cost the usual Adobe $$$[06:51:27] <Aria> But Flex SDK is free.[06:51:28] <alanc> though I'm mostly working at a lower level than GTK - down in the guts of X[06:51:46] *** mph has quit IRC[06:51:56] <JonathanYC> Aria: Thanks, I'll check that out then :/[06:52:03] <JonathanYC> Any other suggestions?[06:52:23] <lewellyn> well i was going to suggest AIR, but Aria kinda did[06:52:34] <JonathanYC> Heh, I guess that's in then :D[06:52:40] <Aria> Well, the current sentiment for building web apps is use Javascript and HTML, since it's pretty powerful stuff now.[06:52:50] <Aria> It's certianly how I'd go.[06:53:03] <lewellyn> Aria: it has been for a while. people just didn't realize it ;)[06:53:13] <Aria> Hehe, yeah, yeah.[06:53:27] <JonathanYC> I'm not sure if I'll be able to write a socket application in puer Javascript and HTML though[06:53:42] <lewellyn> you'd be surprised :P[06:54:00] <lewellyn> as long as you don't need to actively listen, you can do lots of stuff[06:54:18] <lewellyn> and active listening is kind of broken thanks to nat and firewalls[06:54:44] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[06:55:13] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: Unfortunately, that's _exactly_ what I need to do :([06:55:18] <Aria> Yeah, usually you'd proxy to a server for raw sockets, JonathanYC. Or you'd call out to Flash.[06:55:45] <Aria> And listening ... ick. That's hard in a browser in any case, since the security model mostly forbids it, flash being slightly more open to it than others.[06:55:46] <lewellyn> alanc: you like ranting about lawyers... is it likely the oracle lawyers may get miffed about contrib holding a version of the version of xview 3.2 they released many many moons ago?[06:55:51] <JonathanYC> Aria: I've already tried the first. It worked OK, but not very elegant. The second is not really pure Javasciprt, is it?[06:56:00] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: it won't work well on the public internet[06:56:07] <Aria> Yeah, no, but I never said anything about purity.[06:56:18] <JonathanYC> Heh[06:56:30] <JonathanYC> Unfortunately, I have to leave now[06:56:31] <Spencer_tt> JonathanYC: what platform do you want to make[06:56:32] <JonathanYC> Thanks nayways :D[06:56:34] *** Burana has quit IRC[06:56:43] <JonathanYC> Sorry Spencer_tt, have to leave now :([06:56:44] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[06:56:45] <JonathanYC> night[06:57:19] *** JonathanYC has quit IRC[06:57:45] *** EugeneKaway is now known as EugeneKay[06:58:48] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[07:01:33] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[07:01:41] <lewellyn> i wish him luck with listening on the public internet :P[07:04:34] <Spencer_tt> he needs to learn the art of patience :)[07:08:11] *** dalibor has quit IRC[07:09:03] <joshua_> tangientially related: I have a SunFire v240 here, and I want to talk to its ALOM card[07:11:03] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[07:12:29] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[07:14:02] <lewellyn> hm. "check-deps.pl -c" is the proper invocation, correct? if so... i managed to get my deps right the first time.[07:14:17] <lblume> Any advice for simple arrays for 8/12 disks that can accept them slotted in, without the need for brackets? I had some links, but I can't find them or google them, it seems :-/[07:14:32] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[07:15:58] *** Shoggoth_ has joined #opensolaris[07:17:35] *** Shoggoth_ has quit IRC[07:20:12] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[07:20:34] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[07:20:34] <Andys^> lblume: that style has become very unpopular for some reason[07:20:47] <Andys^> makes the backplane more complicated[07:20:54] <Andys^> since it then needs an eject mechanism[07:22:25] <lblume> hmmmmm, I see.... Well, I'll look for a decent one with brackets then[07:23:59] *** cmbntr has joined #opensolaris[07:24:11] <Shoggoth> any of you chaps (chapette's?) have experience with GNU screen? I've got a recurring problem when resizing my terminals[07:25:47] <Andys^> lblume: Supermicro 826E1 (SAS expander) or 826QT (12xSATA)[07:28:28] *** Metamucil has joined #opensolaris[07:32:07] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[07:33:22] <alanc> lewellyn: I can't see why they'd object to hosting code Sun released as open source[07:33:44] <lewellyn> they're lawyers. *shrug* :)[07:35:51] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[07:36:32] *** dalibor has quit IRC[07:39:48] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[07:41:49] *** icarus902 has joined #opensolaris[07:42:37] *** cmbntr has quit IRC[07:45:13] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris[07:45:33] *** relektronic has joined #opensolaris[07:45:56] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[07:46:14] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[07:47:54] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[07:48:35] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[07:49:00] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[07:51:20] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[07:51:22] <lblume> Andys^: Hmmmm, I'd rather have a JBOD chassis than a server one, actually.[07:53:05] <Andys^> lblume: this thing doubles as a nice JBOD chassis.. when buying it you specify you want JBOD and it comes with a few extra pieces which turn it into a JBOD mode[07:53:13] <Andys^> (a power control card which basically keeps the redundant PSU always turned on)[07:53:27] <Andys^> (and some SAS cables and faceplates for the rear)[07:54:33] <EugeneKay> Shoggoth - what sorta screen problem?[07:55:28] <zazenrasta> alanc: would XVR-100 in a SunFire V250 be the only graphics option in regards to OSOL?[07:55:36] <alanc> yes[07:55:40] <lblume> Andys^: Oh, ok, I didn't catch that, thanks![07:55:54] <alanc> XVR-100 is the only non-PCI-E card supported on SPARC[07:56:23] <zazenrasta> alanc: ty[07:56:26] <Andys^> lblume: that only applies to the SAS backplane model, obviously. there's single and dual SAS expander models..[07:57:40] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[07:58:16] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[07:58:18] <zazenrasta> I'll trade someone a new in box XVR-300 for a XVR-100... heh[07:58:34] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[07:58:40] * mui sez urr[07:58:41] *** hemantha has quit IRC[07:58:43] <mui> moin[07:58:56] *** hemantha has joined #opensolaris[07:59:42] *** w3rd_ has quit IRC[08:02:44] *** radsy has quit IRC[08:03:27] *** purserj has quit IRC[08:03:47] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[08:05:06] <lblume> Andys^: Ok, I need to find what's easily available in Europe anyway.[08:06:10] <Beket> alanc, you told me once why my numpad doesn't work. Do you remember again please ? There was some option that I had to disable. (accesibility?)[08:06:33] <alanc> MouseKeys in keyboard accessibility will make a numpad move the mouse cursor[08:06:39] <Andys^> lblume: yeah yeah.. noooo idea about europe.[08:07:08] <lblume> alanc: And they tend to activate by themselves for some reason.....[08:07:21] <lewellyn> lblume: it'll be made in china anyhow. buy it locally and ship it ;)[08:07:21] <Beket> alanc, you are the man -- it worked :) Thanks.[08:07:30] <Beket> lblume, yes! Which is why I asked again[08:07:42] <alanc> I don't know about that, but you can enable it via a kbd shortcut - ctrl-alt-numlock I think[08:09:37] <lblume> <ctrl><shift><numlock> it seems. I had no idea. I don't see how Iwould do that combo bymistake.[08:09:59] <Andys^> lblume: if there's no supermicro distributor in europe then... start one ;)[08:10:24] <lewellyn> lblume: fat-fingering shift-numlock?[08:10:52] <lewellyn> ok i have this thing building and packaged. now to see why it won't run[08:11:00] <lblume> lewellyn: Why would I do <shift><numlock> in the first place? :-)[08:11:33] <lblume> Andys^: I'm not evenin Europe yet ;-) But I know they have distributors, thanks![08:11:34] <alanc> why do keyboards still have numlock keys at all?[08:11:35] <lewellyn> you tell me ;)[08:11:42] <lewellyn> alanc: retrogaming[08:12:17] <alanc> though at least I know what that's supposed to do, unlike the utterly useless scroll lock[08:12:56] <richlowe> not even retro, pretty sure it's the most logical way to move in, say, angband.[08:13:36] <lewellyn> richlowe: i actually had nethack in mind[08:13:44] <alanc> I think any game where your character is drawn on screen as an ascii symbol counts as retro[08:13:49] <lewellyn> yes[08:13:51] <lblume> In Deus Ex, it's practical to use the keypad as arrows to move, then turn it into a real keypad to enter keylock combinations[08:13:58] <lewellyn> ok. anyhow...[08:13:59] <lewellyn> wtf.[08:14:08] <madwizard> Coffee[08:14:13] <lewellyn> /usr/X11/lib/X11/app-defaults is correct, right?[08:14:26] <alanc> maybe[08:14:36] <alanc> depends on the build[08:14:37] <lewellyn> this thing's looking everywhere but there :P[08:14:57] <alanc> the OS packages install to /usr/share/X11/app-defaults/ now[08:15:12] <lewellyn> ok. that's one place it's looking[08:15:22] <lblume> alanc: Thanks a bunch for the shortcut anyway, there's nothing in the shitty gui to even hint there is one that I would have looked for.[08:15:30] <lewellyn> it's sane to assume that's a good location for 111b too?[08:15:36] <alanc> I'd have to check the libXt source or docs to find the full search path[08:15:46] <lewellyn> i think this truss output has it ;)[08:17:01] <alanc> ah, see the XFILESEARCHPATH entry in X(5) man page[08:17:34] <alanc> though /usr/etc/X11 there seems wrong[08:17:46] <lewellyn> that looks a lot like what i was seeing. plus $HOME[08:18:16] <alanc> $HOME is included in the XUSERFILESEARCHPATH that comes next in the man page[08:18:23] * lewellyn found /usr/X11/lib/X11/app-defaults on his filesystem first[08:18:33] <lewellyn> as nasty as it looks, i just used it blindly :P[08:18:48] <lewellyn> hah. so it does[08:19:16] <lewellyn> XCMSDB... solaris does Xcms?[08:19:28] * alanc has gotten lost in the pudding analogies on osol-discuss[08:19:43] * lewellyn tries to not read osol-discuss[08:19:49] <alanc> lewellyn: the codes is in Xlib - just the sample color providers though, nothing special[08:19:55] <alanc> KCMS is long gone[08:19:57] <lewellyn> but pudding analogies. has anyone invoked bill cosby yet?[08:20:32] <lewellyn> yeah. it's not like any apps still exist which could really benefit from accurate color :P[08:20:39] <lewellyn> the gimp? hah :([08:21:49] <madwizard> I just delete osol-discuss these days[08:22:53] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[08:23:21] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[08:23:39] <alanc> and now I've gone and gotten The Wall stuck in my head.... "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?"[08:23:49] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[08:24:15] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[08:24:46] * lewellyn finished a nice big top sirloin[08:24:51] <madwizard> Coffee[08:24:58] <lewellyn> and an artichoke as big as the gf's head[08:25:04] * Spencer_tt crushes a fizz can.[08:25:07] <lewellyn> well, not done with the artichoke yet. almost.[08:25:18] <lewellyn> also. goddamn motif is hideous[08:25:29] <Shoggoth> here here to that[08:25:34] <lewellyn> (IT RUNS!)[08:25:47] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[08:26:24] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[08:34:26] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[08:34:58] *** ma3x has quit IRC[08:35:49] *** Shoggoth_ has joined #opensolaris[08:37:43] *** Shoggoth_ has quit IRC[08:37:47] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:39:48] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[08:40:12] *** ryoohki has joined #opensolaris[08:40:20] <lewellyn> any jucr approvers around? :)[08:41:45] <madwizard> yup[08:41:50] <madwizard> number[08:41:51] <madwizard> or link[08:41:53] <lewellyn> http://jucr.opensolaris.org/review/packages/7507/[08:42:19] <lewellyn> i just committed it to sfe a bit ago too[08:43:09] <lewellyn> http://ftp.x.org/contrib/office/xmdiary-README is where i got the info that it's considered "Public Domain"[08:44:01] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:46:18] <madwizard> Ok[08:46:20] <madwizard> Done[08:47:22] <lewellyn> thanks[08:48:04] <lewellyn> it's already building. nice.[08:48:15] <lewellyn> wonder how many tries it'll take[08:48:29] <madwizard> Coffee[08:48:42] <lewellyn> not a bad idea[08:50:02] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:50:56] *** Aria has quit IRC[08:51:07] <lewellyn> ok. that build log is useless.[08:51:39] <richlowe> so, what's the opposite of modernisation? :)[08:51:53] <lewellyn> making old shit run? ;)[08:52:50] *** Mick27 has joined #opensolaris[08:58:23] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[08:58:29] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[08:58:29] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[09:02:57] <freetown2> ludditism?[09:03:56] <alanc> SCOization?[09:05:45] <freetown2> ha![09:06:23] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[09:07:14] <EugeneKay> Regression[09:09:08] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[09:10:31] *** TomJ has quit IRC[09:13:28] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[09:17:19] *** relektronic has left #opensolaris[09:18:50] *** Cozezien has joined #opensolaris[09:19:06] <Cozezien> Heyas[09:19:42] <freetown2> hyenas? where?[09:20:35] <Cozezien> you must haev your mind on africa ;)[09:21:06] <freetown2> i do...been in Freetown for twelves and been away for over 20 now[09:21:08] <lewellyn> dammit. my gf got that song stuck in my head[09:21:21] * lewellyn now knows where you can find lions[09:21:27] <Cozezien> wow. crazy cool :)[09:21:30] <freetown2> not Freetown[09:21:32] <Cozezien> only in kenyaaaaaa[09:21:38] <lewellyn> Cozezien knows the song too ;)[09:21:56] *** EugeneKay is now known as EugeneKaway[09:22:19] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[09:22:55] <Cozezien> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvAAASZlCmM if anyone is interested :)[09:22:59] <Cozezien> though I think this is not the original[09:23:06] <lewellyn> i have the orig. moment :D[09:23:21] <lewellyn> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kenya[09:23:46] *** mph has joined #opensolaris[09:24:38] <freetown2> argh! that's horrible[09:25:04] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[09:25:44] <freetown2> you guys owe me near ears[09:25:48] <freetown2> new[09:26:01] <lewellyn> freetown2: i expect i'm about to get to watch it for 45 mins again soon[09:26:04] <Cozezien> I guess we forgot to put a little disclaimer about the awesomeness of it ;D[09:26:07] <Cozezien> whoops![09:26:10] <lewellyn> the gf is in the kitchen singing it[09:26:45] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[09:27:30] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[09:28:20] *** ente has joined #opensolaris[09:28:21] <ente> hi[09:29:28] <Cozezien> Has anyone heard of getting HDMI audio output working in opensolaris? I've had a brutal time trying to get it to work (I had a learning experience with boot environments last week ;) )[09:30:06] <lewellyn> i know my audiohd supports it, but i have no devices with which to hook up to[09:30:35] <freetown2> BE admins should be able to get HDMI sort out. :P[09:30:49] <Cozezien> hrmm.. when I run scanpci I can see an audio device for ATI, but I hook up the hdmi to my monitor (which does support it) but no idea comes out[09:31:08] <Cozezien> err no sound comes out ;)[09:33:52] *** sickness has quit IRC[09:35:03] <Cozezien> right now I want to see if anyone even has hdmi audio working before continuing. Is there a way to see if there is audio being sent out to the audio device through console?[09:35:42] *** ente has left #opensolaris[09:38:22] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[09:38:30] <lewellyn> if this build fails, i'll be annoyed.[09:38:49] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[09:38:49] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[09:39:05] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[09:44:27] <freetown2> lewellyn, you could always join your gf in singing...[09:44:57] <lewellyn> freetown2: i'd rather not, thanks[09:45:12] <lewellyn> and jucr looks broken[09:45:28] <lewellyn> why am i unsurprised? :P[09:48:06] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris[09:48:28] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[09:50:53] <lewellyn> is alex sims here? :)[09:53:04] *** gebi has quit IRC[09:54:41] *** dover has quit IRC[09:59:12] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:59:57] *** lucalenardi has joined #opensolaris[10:03:53] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[10:08:10] *** nikolam_ has quit IRC[10:08:37] *** ayasei___ has quit IRC[10:11:31] *** alexc has joined #opensolaris[10:12:30] *** patronus has quit IRC[10:14:30] *** CompanionCube has quit IRC[10:16:00] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[10:19:07] *** mph has quit IRC[10:23:20] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:26:27] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[10:28:03] *** patronus has joined #opensolaris[10:29:46] <popster> Can anyone enlighten me on what is going on here? http://opensolaris.pastebin.com/qq1Y944x[10:29:57] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:31:21] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[10:33:37] <lewellyn> well. you found a pastebin. and you pasted to it... ;)[10:34:08] * Shoggoth has been called away by it's master: Gone away for now[10:34:23] <popster> lewellyn: Your humor disturbs me at 5A.M..[10:34:41] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: please turn off public away messages :P[10:34:51] <lewellyn> popster: is it that late already? :([10:35:02] <popster> lewellyn: 20 mins :\[10:35:20] <lewellyn> popster: line 6 of your paste may be relevant[10:36:19] <palowoda> Maybe your missing berkeley db includes.[10:37:42] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[10:37:56] <richlowe> given the fairly spartan use of -I, it's equally likely you have them but g++ can't find them.[10:38:13] <richlowe> given bdb's history of "compatibility", you may well have several of them. :)[10:38:34] <popster> Ooooo, sometimes I wonder about my cognitive abilities.[10:38:40] <ivo_> will b139 be availble tomorow?[10:43:07] *** patronus has quit IRC[10:44:05] <lewellyn> ivo_: you mean the ON download? 138 still hasn't managed to figure out how to end up on dlc.sun.com afaik[10:44:50] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[10:45:08] *** patronus has joined #opensolaris[10:45:34] <lewellyn> i certainly don't see 138 on dlc.sun.com yet at least[10:45:59] <richlowe> as mentioned on whichever list, dlc.sun.com couldn't be updated for a bunch of time.[10:46:12] <lewellyn> yes.[10:46:54] <richlowe> but I don't know why the bNNN directories are interesting?[10:47:43] <lewellyn> bfu archives?[10:48:27] <richlowe> ick. :)[10:48:42] <lewellyn> i dunno. ask ivo_. he's the one who seems to be asking :)[10:51:53] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[10:55:01] *** zyn0x has joined #opensolaris[10:55:06] *** zyn0x is now known as zynox[10:56:16] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[10:56:18] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[10:56:18] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[10:57:58] <ivo_> I just read the ONNV flagdays noticeses[10:58:05] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:58:08] <ivo_> and sow that b139 is already in progress[10:59:11] *** alexc has quit IRC[10:59:26] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[10:59:28] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[11:00:11] <ivo_> so I guess if anything b138 can be availble tomorow[11:00:39] <Beket> wrong[11:01:06] <Beket> /dev releases aren't public until 2010.06 happens[11:01:20] <lewellyn> b138 will be uploaded to dlc after the datacenter move is done, probably.[11:01:34] <lewellyn> maybe 139 will show up there at the same time, depending on how long it takes[11:02:04] <lewellyn> and if you mean the ips repo... you'll end up with 14x surely, once builds to there resume on their normal schedule[11:02:19] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[11:03:24] <ivo_> so it is 2010.06 now, I tought it will be 2010.05[11:03:26] <ivo_> :([11:03:34] *** timsf has quit IRC[11:03:35] <lewellyn> 2010.sometime[11:03:43] <ivo_> can you give ma (us) a hint why there is a delay[11:03:50] <lewellyn> because they had bugs to fix.[11:03:56] <lewellyn> read the various mailing lists :P[11:04:01] <ivo_> :)[11:04:22] <ivo_> but I guess it is worth to wait a bit[11:04:55] <lewellyn> well, you're stuck waiting till the release repo gets the stuff backported that's needed for a succesful upgrade[11:05:05] <ivo_> b134 is working, so ...[11:05:05] <lewellyn> so better make the most of it ;)[11:05:49] <ivo_> the only thing I use is netbeans ffox rhythmbox totem and FLDdvd-player :D[11:06:02] <ivo_> o no I gforgot gedit and vim[11:06:20] <ivo_> hmm[11:06:26] <ivo_> it is not possible to make a list ...[11:06:28] <ivo_> :D[11:06:48] <ivo_> a lot of virtualization ... :D[11:07:09] <ivo_> I just hope my zones don't brake, after the update[11:07:15] <lewellyn> they may.[11:07:31] <ivo_> :) I know, but I hope they don't[11:07:39] <ivo_> but I 'll update my databases anyway[11:07:54] <ivo_> I mean backup them[11:08:41] *** dalibor has quit IRC[11:13:14] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[11:14:14] <lewellyn> madwizard: ping? ;) 7508[11:14:31] <trochej> elo[11:15:13] *** mph has joined #opensolaris[11:15:32] *** evalenci has quit IRC[11:16:13] <lewellyn> trochej: i missed apr 1 with that one ;)[11:16:17] *** Mick27 has quit IRC[11:16:30] <lewellyn> i seriously spent 10 minutes bouncing my mouse around the screen after i built it :D[11:16:35] <lewellyn> (it was fun!)[11:17:00] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[11:19:00] <trochej> rotfl[11:19:40] <lewellyn> it's tiny![11:19:42] *** twisti has quit IRC[11:19:55] <trochej> Coffee[11:21:10] <lewellyn> thanks for validating :)[11:21:38] *** monzie has joined #opensolaris[11:22:19] <trochej> np[11:22:55] <monzie> Hello all[11:23:36] <lewellyn> trochej: now we need to wait for jucr to start building again :P[11:24:32] *** nanase has joined #opensolaris[11:25:18] <lewellyn> oh yeah. btw. is there any available suitable replacement for ms paint? the gimp isn't :P[11:26:59] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[11:27:28] *** marshan has joined #opensolaris[11:28:01] <marshan> anyone know of a way from the kernel to identify if a given network interface name is a VLAN interface or not? (since there is vanity naming)[11:28:04] <trochej> :)[11:28:12] <marshan> probably dls_something[11:28:13] <marshan> hmm[11:32:10] *** evalenci has joined #opensolaris[11:34:02] *** wrapster has quit IRC[11:40:50] <jbit> hrm, how do i remove a package that was installed from a publisher that no longer exists?[11:41:40] *** _Mario_ has joined #opensolaris[11:42:12] *** lucalenardi has quit IRC[11:42:34] <_Mario_> ok, quick question. I know the BrandZ allows to run Linux apps on osol, but the documentation seems to indicate that it's only compatible with RHEL 3.x and kernel 2.4.21 with 32bit apps[11:42:58] <lewellyn> jbit: blastwave? ;)[11:43:05] <jbit> lewellyn: you bet :)[11:43:06] <_Mario_> is that still true or is there some way to run stuff that is availabel for RHEL 4.x or 5.x only? can live with 32bit[11:43:06] <lewellyn> i keep telling people to ask their channel[11:43:19] <jbit> lewellyn: well, it's a genrel opensolaris issue[11:43:29] <lewellyn> jbit: ok. ask #pkg5[11:43:30] <lewellyn> ;)[11:43:31] <jbit> i have a few other packages like mplayer from otehr publishers[11:43:36] <lewellyn> _Mario_: there's a 2.6 brand[11:43:53] <jbit> _Mario_: i think that's just the "we test this" list[11:44:13] <jbit> _Mario_: there's partial 2.6 support, and debian and such seem to run somewhat usably[11:44:45] <jbit> but getting non-redhat distros to install seems to be a bit of a mess[11:44:52] <_Mario_> well what I need is to just run one app, that has RPM-s available only for 4.x and 5.x both i386 and x86_64[11:45:33] <jbit> 4.x should work[11:45:42] <jbit> but i've personally never tried it[11:45:50] <lewellyn> 4.x does[11:46:03] <_Mario_> so should I just follow the instructions as per 3.x in http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2450/gchhk?a=view or are there some newer ones?[11:46:21] <lewellyn> smrt: explain brandz[11:46:22] <smrt> A great way to use zones to implement other operating systems. Currently, there are brands for Solaris 8 and 9 for SPARC and Linux for x86. See also: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz and zones.[11:46:44] *** marshan has left #opensolaris[11:47:07] <_Mario_> well that's how I got to the admin doc :)[11:47:11] <lewellyn> _Mario_: i didn't click your link, but i point most people to os.o :)[11:47:12] <lewellyn> oh[11:47:42] <lewellyn> did you read http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+brandz/install yet?[11:47:42] <_Mario_> the same brandz page lists:[11:47:42] <_Mario_> please be aware that the lx brand installer currently only supports Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.x and the equivalent CentOS distributions.[11:48:00] <_Mario_> yeah said page in 2. System Requirements says the above[11:48:23] <lewellyn> yeah. with lx26, 4.x worked for me[11:48:50] <_Mario_> ok, lx26 comes by default with 2009.06 or is that an addon (admit, haven't read the install doc to end yet if I need to get it)[11:49:16] <jbit> i'd love to rip out how brandz does linxu installation[11:49:24] <jbit> and make it a bit easier to use non-redhat distros[11:49:46] <lewellyn> jbit: agreed[11:49:51] <lewellyn> _Mario_: i forget. sorry :([11:50:00] <jbit> right now teh scripts make alot of assumptions about files and their contents[11:50:05] <lewellyn> 2009.06 was a year ago! ;)[11:50:22] <jbit> woudl be nice to move those off into a python "bootstrap" script or something[11:50:25] <_Mario_> yeah, but 2009.06 is still sadly the latest release that you install directly :D[11:50:28] <jbit> so you could modify it per-distro easily[11:50:31] <lewellyn> jbit: yes :P[11:50:35] <jbit> _Mario_: eh?[11:50:44] <_Mario_> or has 2010.03 come out :P[11:50:45] <jbit> _Mario_: you knwo there are /dev isos right?[11:50:53] <_Mario_> yeah :D talking about production instances :D[11:50:56] <jbit> ah[11:51:16] <_Mario_> one that I can run some 300TB of storage on with heavy traffic to/from on :D[11:51:20] *** joshua_ has quit IRC[11:51:24] <_Mario_> not experimental :D[11:51:30] <jbit> lewellyn: does sun^Woracle participate in summer of code?[11:51:30] <_Mario_> though I'll run if I have to[11:51:40] <jbit> cleaning up lxbrand might be a good summer of code project[11:51:48] * Shoggoth has been awakened.[11:51:59] *** lucalenardi has joined #opensolaris[11:52:12] *** Alasdairrr has quit IRC[11:52:49] *** bdrewery_ has quit IRC[11:53:39] *** joshua_ has joined #opensolaris[11:54:03] <lewellyn> jbit: i wouldn't know, not being part of either organization ;)[11:54:18] <lewellyn> jbit: iirc, sun did not. and i have nfc about oracle[11:54:19] <jbit> lewellyn: well i knwo that , but i thought you might have known off hand :)[11:54:41] <jbit> SoC is not exact a top secret in-house only thing :P[11:54:58] <lewellyn> iirc, it was that google wanted sun to submit everything as one single submission. which is a sizable task for a company with that many open-source assets :P[11:55:17] <jbit> ah[11:55:36] *** bdrewery has joined #opensolaris[11:55:44] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[11:55:51] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: can you do something about those public away messages?[11:56:04] *** bdrewery is now known as Guest67066[11:56:08] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[11:57:09] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[11:57:28] <_Mario_> ehh ... the brandz website had a separate topic on lx26 and it was included since release 72 so the 127 that's 2009.06 should be ok :D[11:57:42] <Shoggoth> sure... sorry I just switched IRC clients....apologies to all[11:59:30] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: not sure why my client was making public announcements... I believe I've switched that off... if it happens again please ping me and I'll migrate back to x-chat :([12:00:00] *** arkadi has joined #opensolaris[12:00:11] <_Mario_> lewellyn: if anyone else ever asks again:[12:00:12] <_Mario_> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+brandz/linux_2_6[12:00:22] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[12:00:24] <_Mario_> it contains instructions how to install CentOS 4.x or 5.x[12:01:00] <Tonnerre> Thanks for reminding me, _Mario_![12:01:05] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[12:01:33] <_Mario_> Tonnerre: reminded of what? :)[12:01:46] *** talso has joined #opensolaris[12:01:49] <Tonnerre> _Mario_, that I have an experiment to conduct involving centos5 ;)[12:01:53] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[12:02:30] <_Mario_> well I'll be doing one in the coming weeks too :P I'll see if a GridFTP server for Hadoop can be run on the solaris hadoop data node when run in the brandz container[12:02:52] <Tonnerre> _Mario_, I'm trying to migrate a server from Fedora Core 8 to CentOS 5.x via ssh[12:03:13] <Tonnerre> Let's see how wrong that's going to go[12:03:19] <_Mario_> :P[12:03:28] <_Mario_> you planning a live migration? :P[12:03:50] <Tonnerre> Well, it will involve a reboot, but it's a xen server, so the users will only notice a short delay[12:04:05] <Stric> .. unless ..[12:04:10] <_Mario_> :P[12:04:18] <wdp_> my favorite OS: ZFS, Dtrace and Zones, Linux Kernel and native windows apps.[12:04:28] * wdp_ waits for the first stones[12:04:31] <Tonnerre> Stric, well, I'm currently playing this through on a test installation[12:04:32] <_Mario_> well with Xen images you can just make a copy, fuck up the new one and then recover :D[12:04:46] <Tonnerre> _Mario_, the fc8 is the dom0[12:09:04] *** ayasei___ has joined #opensolaris[12:10:43] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[12:12:21] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[12:12:34] <_Mario_> alright, got my answers :) will do the experimentation some time in coming weeks so expect me to come in yammering and drunk if it doesn't work :P[12:16:25] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[12:19:10] <Gugge> can i share a slog between multiple pools ?[12:19:18] <Andys^> Gugge: if you partition it.[12:19:45] <Gugge> but then i would need it big enough x n :)[12:20:34] <Gugge> offcause thats no problem right now .. with two pools and a 32GB ssd[12:21:16] *** rservers has quit IRC[12:21:23] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[12:22:04] *** _Mario_ has quit IRC[12:22:51] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[12:30:53] <Andys^> 32gb is way bigger than you need for the avarage fileserver ZIL[12:31:21] <Andys^> the amount of ZIL that can be used is fixed and based on the size of RAM in the server. so splitting it between pools is fine as long as you split it in a ratio equal to the amount of writing you do to each pool[12:37:35] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[12:41:53] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[12:42:46] <tsoome> i have 1GB log on oracle redo pool, and I havent seen it filled more than some 160k[12:44:55] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[12:48:50] *** monzie has quit IRC[12:51:12] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[12:51:41] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[12:51:53] *** swift__ has joined #opensolaris[12:52:10] *** swift has quit IRC[12:52:17] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[12:52:26] *** swift__ is now known as swift[12:52:49] *** popster has quit IRC[12:53:57] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[12:55:31] *** RoyK has quit IRC[12:56:17] *** swift_ has quit IRC[12:57:58] *** nikolam has quit IRC[12:58:24] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[13:00:53] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[13:04:02] *** MuffiXXL_ has joined #opensolaris[13:04:02] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[13:04:02] *** MuffiXXL_ is now known as MuffiXXL[13:06:00] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[13:09:36] *** Alasdairrr has joined #opensolaris[13:13:21] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[13:16:55] *** pablomh has quit IRC[13:23:31] *** calum is now known as calLNCH[13:25:46] *** lucalenardi has quit IRC[13:26:03] *** lucalenardi has joined #opensolaris[13:26:34] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[13:27:56] *** timsf has quit IRC[13:28:04] *** qotsa has joined #opensolaris[13:32:43] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[13:37:03] *** pablomh has joined #opensolaris[13:40:00] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[13:45:09] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[13:46:59] *** p3rror has quit IRC[13:47:28] *** kmays has joined #opensolaris[13:54:22] <kjetilho> can I influence where interrupts for a PCI card are delivered?[13:54:27] <kjetilho> is that a BIOS thing?[13:54:53] <trygvis> you can control if a CPU should handle interrupts or not[13:55:01] <trygvis> not sure if you can do that for a specific interrupt though[13:55:02] <kjetilho> all interrupts for mpt and e1000g are delivered to CPU #3[13:55:28] <kjetilho> not sure if it impacts performance, but I get occasional stalls.[13:55:42] <kjetilho> so I'm looking for a fix :)[13:55:56] <trygvis> how do you tell that?[13:56:07] <kjetilho> 1 in 10 ping responses routinely take 250+ ms[13:56:27] <tsoome> spikes on intrstat?[13:56:32] <kjetilho> occasionally, the kernel can get 3 ping requests before answering them[13:56:36] <trygvis> I meant that CPU #3 handle the interrupt[13:56:37] <tsoome> e1000g you say? what build?[13:56:53] <tsoome> e1000g used to have few bugs[13:56:55] <kjetilho> no obvious spikes on intrstat[13:57:00] <kjetilho> plain 2009.06[13:57:19] <tsoome> if im correct, later builds did fix e1000g[13:57:30] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[13:57:43] <tsoome> you may wanna digg a bit, but id suspect just an buggy driver.[13:57:48] <kjetilho> hmm. does anyone have any idea when 2010.04 will be out?[13:58:17] <tsoome> you know oracle wont tell anything. even if you beat them up.[13:58:21] <kjetilho> perhaps I should try to find a spare NIC in the interim[13:58:38] <kjetilho> Oracle won't support our old Dell 2850 anyway[13:59:00] <kjetilho> (plain Solaris is not really an option :)[13:59:01] <tsoome> why not go for /dev meanwhile=[13:59:04] <tsoome> ?[13:59:08] <trygvis> kjetilho: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6523-Future-of-OpenSolaris-revisited.html[14:00:02] <kjetilho> ok, thanks. so perhaps a month?[14:00:12] <trygvis> sounds like it[14:01:58] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[14:02:36] <kjetilho> this server is still running the old iscsi, migrating to Comstar is a bit work, too[14:02:59] <kjetilho> but of course it needs to be done. and current dev will not break the old zvols, right?[14:03:14] <kjetilho> like earlier Comstar versions did[14:03:23] <tsoome> comstar is not default and only one yet[14:03:28] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[14:03:39] <tsoome> i mean you can still use old iscsi[14:03:58] <kjetilho> ok[14:04:08] <tsoome> but i really dont have enough comstar experience to tell resto of it:D[14:04:12] <tsoome> rest*[14:04:52] <tsoome> my last attempt to unstall comstar was hung system and fallback, beadm destoy and new pkg image-update:D[14:05:32] <tsoome> mostly because comstar guides are not yet updated to new package names etc.[14:06:25] <kjetilho> the release notes for b134 are a bit daunting[14:06:33] <kjetilho> lots of "boot into old BE and fix it"[14:06:36] <tsoome> an im gradually starting to hate pkg:D or at least how they make packages - why the hell i just cant tell pkg install comstar.....[14:07:07] <chris__> kjetilho, thats why opensolaris is late[14:07:16] <chris__> too much bugs to fix[14:07:17] <Shoggoth> does anyone happen to know where the list of supported SCSI adapters is for COMSTAR target mode?[14:08:02] *** nanase has quit IRC[14:08:06] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[14:09:16] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[14:09:37] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[14:17:14] *** kimc has quit IRC[14:18:00] *** PrestonConnors has joined #opensolaris[14:18:33] *** korb has joined #opensolaris[14:18:50] <korb> is there a webgui for administration of xen hypervisor installed on opensolaris ?[14:18:57] <korb> or something like vsphere ?[14:20:08] *** Alasdairrr has quit IRC[14:22:09] *** yoda72 has joined #opensolaris[14:22:14] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[14:22:39] *** yoda72 has left #opensolaris[14:23:02] <PrestonConnors> korb: I do not know if there is virt-manager for OpenSolaris or not.[14:23:07] *** Alasdairrr has joined #opensolaris[14:23:30] <PrestonConnors> korb: Looks like there is! http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+jds/virt-manager[14:24:46] <jbit> hrm, a friend has their main pkg repro called "dev" when it really wants to be opensolaris.org, i seem to remember a way to correct it without breaking stuff, can anybody remember what it is?[14:26:45] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[14:27:14] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[14:29:28] *** ionizer has joined #opensolaris[14:31:14] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[14:33:03] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[14:33:14] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[14:34:12] *** qotsa has quit IRC[14:34:26] *** mbreitba has quit IRC[14:34:32] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[14:34:35] *** mbreitba has joined #opensolaris[14:36:02] *** Havokmon has joined #opensolaris[14:37:33] <Havokmon> I'm having problems with time, /etc/TIMEZONE and /etc/rtc_config are set to America/Chicago, but date shows UTC time and date -u shows +0500. Should rtc_config be set to GMT?[14:38:18] <tsoome> depends what is your bios date really[14:38:36] <tsoome> use ntpdate to set correct time then check again[14:38:47] <Havokmon> Not sure what BIOS date is.[14:38:48] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[14:39:13] <Havokmon> When I use ntpdate, it corrects by 18000s (which is right), but then date shows +18000 again :/[14:40:03] <Havokmon> It does change, because Dovecot crashes with a 'time moved backwards error', but immediately changes back[14:40:47] <Havokmon> So that leads me to thing maybe rtc_config should have GMT in it.. ?[14:40:52] <Havokmon> thing/think[14:40:52] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[14:45:25] *** timsf has quit IRC[14:46:15] <ionizer> Hi guys, opening a big can of opinion worms here, but I'm looking at using OpenSolaris to serve up 45T of ZFS disks via NFS. I estimate data throughput from ZFS to the NIC to be close to 2Gb/s. The box will do nothing else.[14:46:53] <ionizer> The question is: How much RAM should I throw at the box to ensure that's not the bottleneck? I don't know anything about the ZFS stack's RAM usage[14:47:19] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[14:47:38] <tsoome> zfs can use almost all of your ram[14:47:50] <tsoome> and as usual, the more you have the better[14:48:19] <tsoome> i would assume you will use raidz*?[14:48:57] <tsoome> parity based raid setups rely heavily on ram.[14:49:35] <tehhobbit> ionizer: the X4540 from sun with 48x1TB disks and pretty much made for stuff like that comes with 32GB ram[14:53:04] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[14:53:46] <ionizer> tsoome: yes, certainly raidz[14:54:08] <ionizer> tehhobbit: thanks, I'm looking through the X4540 specs to see how it compares[14:54:09] <Havokmon> Well, FYI, I just changed rtc_config to use UTC, and everything is in order now :)[14:54:27] *** popster has joined #opensolaris[14:54:44] <ionizer> we'd be relying on a CORAID AoE SAN so I'd have the extra overhead of the CORAID HBA stack[14:56:23] <Havokmon> exit[14:56:26] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[14:56:26] *** Havokmon has quit IRC[14:56:53] <korb> is there something like oVirt for opensolaris for web managing xen servers ?[14:58:15] <tsoome> so your bios clock was UTC then[14:59:34] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[14:59:39] <Shoggoth> just found this on ebay: http://global.ebay.com/SUN_MICROSYSTEMS_SUNFIRE_X4540_CHASSIS_541-1218_NEW_NIB/300318218086/item[14:59:47] *** swift has quit IRC[15:00:04] <Shoggoth> how much noise does an x45XX produce?[15:00:32] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[15:01:15] <tehhobbit> Shoggoth: alot[15:01:33] <Stric> it's a server.[15:01:34] <Shoggoth> shame... seems like a cheap way to get a whole lot o' storage[15:01:44] *** lateau has quit IRC[15:02:28] *** kmays has left #opensolaris[15:04:00] *** ampex has quit IRC[15:05:53] <Stric> Shoggoth: if you haven't realized, lots of disks makes lots of noise and lots of heat which needs to be cooled with fans[15:06:51] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[15:07:20] <effnorwood> coffee[15:07:23] <trochej> Coffee[15:07:25] <tehhobbit> and need lots of power[15:07:44] <tehhobbit> going to be expensive to have one of those at home[15:07:47] <effnorwood> trochej: morning![15:07:50] <trochej> lots of fans[15:08:02] <trochej> effnorwood evening! :)[15:08:51] <effnorwood> trochej: that's right - i knew that before i hit enter - evening![15:08:51] <Stric> Shoggoth: if you want silent storage, go ssd. it will cost you.[15:10:42] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[15:12:35] <CosmicDJ> Shoggoth: here, that's how load those suckers are -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4 -- Shouting in the Datacenter[15:12:52] <Shoggoth> Stric: yeah I've already got a 16 spindle box I've built myself... I expected that the X45xx would be just as noisy if not worse but it was still worth asking on the off chance that SUN had used large diamater fans to cool the spindles[15:13:28] <Shoggoth> I've actually been thinking of building a rig that uses larger fans[15:13:29] *** Asias has joined #opensolaris[15:15:13] <Wes--> If you want silent storage, put it in another room[15:15:52] <CosmicDJ> s/load/loud/[15:16:00] <Shoggoth> Wes--: if only that worked... it _is_ in another room and I can still hear it[15:16:15] <Shoggoth> hell I can hear it on the 2nd floor of my house (it's on the 1st)[15:16:17] <Wes--> Shoggoth: buy a better door? :)[15:16:21] <Wes--> Wow that's insane[15:16:26] <Shoggoth> yeah[15:16:28] <Wes--> Is it in a cabinet?[15:16:39] <Shoggoth> (un)fortunately I have _very_ good hearing[15:16:44] *** afrasi has joined #opensolaris[15:16:58] <Shoggoth> my wife doesn't notice it upstairs[15:17:05] <Wes--> My home cabinets are in my garage, which is a separate building - you'd have to have REALLY loud machines for me to hear 'em :)[15:17:07] <bonsaikitten> Shoggoth: just listen to loud music for a few hours every day ;)[15:17:11] <Shoggoth> but she still doesn't like the noise when she goes down stairs[15:17:37] <Shoggoth> bonsaikitten: well.... funnilty enough I used to play bass in a metal band and my ears are still fine!!![15:17:42] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[15:17:43] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[15:17:43] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[15:17:43] <bonsaikitten> heh[15:18:05] <Shoggoth> Wes--: I'd love that but I live in a duplex so separate buildings are a no-go[15:18:12] <bonsaikitten> I'm pretty annoyed by the high-frequency sounds my mainboard makes when load changes[15:18:38] <Wes--> Shoggoth: I know - put it in your *neighbour's* basement :)[15:18:39] <Shoggoth> bonsaikitten: ahh... you can hear the raster whine on a TV set too I suspect[15:18:50] <Wes--> bonsaikitten: don't worry, that will stop annoying you soon enough[15:18:51] <Shoggoth> Wes: lol... worth thinking about[15:18:52] <bonsaikitten> 16025Hz ... not as bad as dog whistles[15:18:59] <Shoggoth> indeed[15:19:11] <Shoggoth> actually the most annoying thing for me is my monitor[15:19:28] <Shoggoth> I got a nice near-top-of-the-range NEC 24" panel[15:19:33] <Shoggoth> works great[15:19:45] <Shoggoth> except the backlight makes a really high pitched noise[15:19:49] <bonsaikitten> eew.[15:19:49] <Shoggoth> drive's me insane[15:19:51] <Stric> bonsaikitten: 15625 in pal land ;)[15:20:13] <bonsaikitten> Stric: hmm, strange :) but still annoying and in some cases excessively loud[15:20:13] <Shoggoth> indeed yes[15:20:37] * Stric can hear up to 13kHz or so.. curse&blessing.[15:21:01] * bonsaikitten can hear up to 18kHz or so...[15:21:02] <Shoggoth> bonsaikitten: PAL raster is 25fps but 100 more fields[15:21:28] <bonsaikitten> took me three days to hunt down the whine of my camera's charger. Only made noise when idle, and so high-pitched that I couldn't properly locate it[15:21:29] <Shoggoth> heh... I had mine tested about 20 years back at an acoustic lab... I could here up to 21.5Khz[15:21:40] <Shoggoth> doubt it's that good now :([15:21:47] <Shoggoth> s/here/hear[15:21:48] <taemun> lol yeah there is no way, Shoggoth[15:22:04] <Shoggoth> oh yeah baby... 99th percentile :)[15:22:05] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[15:22:16] <taemun> Shoggoth: if we're talking about a particularly expensive NEC panel, then talk to NEC warranty folks[15:22:27] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[15:22:27] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[15:22:28] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[15:22:36] <Shoggoth> yeah I was planning too... never got around to it[15:22:42] <Shoggoth> too damned busy[15:22:47] <Stric> taemun: some people with asthma can hear really high pitched sound.. up to 30kHz or so[15:22:48] <bonsaikitten> I really like TFT screens, they don't flicker ... CRTs I can tell the frequency up to 120Hz just by looking[15:23:27] <taemun> Stric: I have asthma[15:23:31] <taemun> and I've never heard that before[15:23:38] <Shoggoth> anyone got a dog whistle?[15:23:40] <Stric> taemun: not all[15:23:41] <taemun> and both of my parents are full time clinical audiologists[15:24:01] *** psychicist has quit IRC[15:24:12] <taemun> Shoggoth: its likely that they just have an inductor or something vibrating on the pcb in there[15:24:31] <taemun> I don't think that ccfl's inherently make noise[15:24:35] <Shoggoth> yeah.... come to think of it it could be inductor hum[15:24:52] <taemun> does changing the brightness change the pitch?[15:24:54] <Shoggoth> _all_ lights make some noise[15:25:06] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[15:25:17] <Shoggoth> no[15:25:32] <Shoggoth> you're probably right... probably a coil[15:25:38] <taemun> (that might change how hard the indcutor was being driven)[15:25:54] <Shoggoth> I'll get it checked out... although I'm not sure it's still under warranty[15:26:17] <taemun> oh well if its not, crack it open and get a hot glue gun :P[15:26:22] <Stric> taemun: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v217/n5126/abs/217360a0.html and lots of other references.. and I've met people that can hear ~30kHz due to asthma..[15:26:48] <Stric> taemun: a curse when working with UPS:es that makes noise between 20..30kHz that "normal" people don't hear.. :P[15:26:49] <Shoggoth> eh... I'll probably get someone else to do it... I haven't weilded a soldering iron in anger since college[15:26:51] <mbreitba> So I'm still battling IPoIB on OpenSolaris - anyone have any suggestions? Currently the IPoIB network appears to be up and running. Two windows hosts have IPoIB running, Subnet Manager is running, and the Windows hosts can access each other.[15:26:56] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[15:27:08] <mbreitba> The OpenSolaris box is configured, appears to be connected, but is unreachable[15:27:20] <mbreitba> most of the time - it worked for a little while yesterday, then just stopped working[15:27:31] <mbreitba> no config change, no reboots, no nothing, just stopped working[15:27:55] *** popster has quit IRC[15:27:58] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[15:28:01] <mbreitba> I've rebooted the OpenSolaris box to no avail, still no worky[15:28:27] <taemun> Stric: the first linked article is about rodents[15:28:39] <taemun> reading the second..[15:29:32] * Andys^ hands mbreitba a pair of Intel 10Gbe NICs[15:29:40] <Shoggoth> taemun: the summary mentioned that it was shown in a _previous_ communication[15:29:52] <mbreitba> that'd be great andy if I could put them in my bladecenter[15:29:59] <Andys^> mbreitba: ah :([15:30:09] * Andys^ has avoided bladeservers for that reason so far[15:30:09] <mbreitba> and I've got about 10k wrapped up in infiniband already[15:30:14] <lblume> there's still no improvement for the USB storage slowness? It's slower than my internet connection ,which is a problem :-/[15:30:17] <Stric> taemun: umm.. I don't find anything about rodents there..?[15:30:23] <Andys^> i think HP's supports 10G, and supermicro does too but only Mellanox 10G sadly[15:30:34] <Andys^> in that case[15:30:37] * Andys^ hands mbreitba a linux CD :([15:30:38] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:30:47] <mbreitba> well, I can do 10GB in the bladecenter, but it was cheaper to do 20GB IB[15:30:53] <taemun> Stric: apologies, I had the two backwards[15:31:00] <taemun> the second one is titled "Ultrasound in Adult Rodents"[15:31:04] <Andys^> yeah. its cheaper for a reason :P[15:31:14] *** jgracin has quit IRC[15:31:24] <effnorwood> heck yea - our 40GB Mellanox network was vastly cheaper than 10G Ethernet[15:31:26] <Shoggoth> it's a bit like the business with some women having four colour receptors rather than the three the rest of us get[15:31:29] <Stric> taemun: ah.. I only looked at the first one..[15:31:35] <mbreitba> well, the mezzanine cards are identical, they do both 10GB ethernet and 20GB IB[15:31:49] <Andys^> also, 10G supports usually comes with 2 NICs, so you get 40gbps total throughput full duplex[15:32:04] <Andys^> yeah well.. it uses the same cables and all[15:32:19] <mbreitba> but the switch was the deal breaker - the SuperMicro 10GB is a passthrough module, so I'd have to have bought an additional switch[15:32:33] <mbreitba> the IB just plugged in as a switch, no extra hardware[15:32:49] <Andys^> oh, you have a supermicro blade?[15:32:52] <mbreitba> yeah[15:32:57] <Andys^> cool. what do you think of it?[15:33:05] <mbreitba> SB-710E[15:33:12] <mbreitba> like it a lot, if I can get IB figured out and working[15:33:15] <Andys^> literally the main reason i dont have one of those is because of the 10G support. if they made 10G switch standard and used intel nics .....[15:33:24] <mbreitba> it actually works great on the windows side of stuff[15:33:25] <Andys^> yeah - basically it works well in linux and shitty elsehwere :|[15:33:43] <mbreitba> it's working right now really well, and I can push around 1800MB/sec between the two windows blades[15:33:57] <mbreitba> but the OpenSolaris box is just not accessible[15:34:19] <mbreitba> opensolaris box is connected to the switch via two CX4 cables, and is going to be our NAS/SAN Head End[15:34:26] *** ionizer_ has joined #opensolaris[15:34:26] <Andys^> welp[15:34:35] <mbreitba> with an eventual move of all of the blades to Xen/VMWare[15:34:35] <Andys^> you'll prolly have to beg mellanox for better osol drivers[15:34:49] <taemun> Stric, Shoggoth: I can't find anything more recent than 1967 that talks about this, and tbh anecdotal comments from people on forums saying that they can "feel" utlrasonic alarm systems has about as much credence as my aunt's disposition that mobile phones make her ill[15:34:49] <Andys^> vmware doesnt support IPoIB though[15:34:53] <taemun> which is psychosomatic[15:35:05] <mbreitba> mellanox doesn't provide any drivers for OSOL, OSOL/Solaris built them[15:35:10] <Andys^> ahh ok :|[15:36:21] <mbreitba> I'm wondering if Solaris works any better[15:36:46] *** thepickle has joined #opensolaris[15:36:47] <Andys^> vmware supports.. NFS or iscsi over 1G or 10Gbe, and fibre channel, SAS, SCSI. and thats it..[15:36:57] *** dajhorn has joined #opensolaris[15:37:30] <Andys^> i strongly doubt it[15:37:45] <Shoggoth> Andys^: you do a lot of ESX/vSphere work?[15:37:45] <mbreitba> well, vmware is a long-shot for us anyway, the Xen route looks more like what we're going to hit, especially since we're running Hyper-V for a lot of our VM's right now, and the VHD format would be interchangeable[15:37:46] *** ionizer has quit IRC[15:37:47] <effnorwood> we have 4 X8DTTs in 2U with QDR Infiniband running snv 131[15:37:50] <effnorwood> rock[15:38:25] <Andys^> Shoggoth: indeed[15:38:33] <mbreitba> effnorwood - do you have a switch that runs the subnet manager, or are you running the subnet manager on one of the systems?[15:38:56] <Andys^> effnorwood: with what IB HBA?[15:39:05] <Andys^> oh the built in one[15:39:05] <effnorwood> mbreitba: subnet manager (opensm - ofed) is running on another box that runs RHEL[15:39:21] <mbreitba> any windows stuff thrown in the mix?[15:39:24] <effnorwood> Andys^: the X8DTTs have Mellanox on the MB[15:39:28] <Andys^> yep[15:39:42] <Andys^> in the 4-in-2U chassis, right?[15:39:46] *** z11k_ has quit IRC[15:39:55] <effnorwood> Andys^: yes[15:40:04] <Andys^> woo, other supermicro people. i feel amongst friends now :)[15:40:35] <Andys^> i get slagged pretty badly for recommending supermicro in #vmware :)[15:40:35] <effnorwood> we need to be cheap and fast[15:40:46] <Andys^> effnorwood: so what applications are you using that setup for?[15:40:59] <effnorwood> Andys^: the guys in #vmware are not very nice I agree. talk to them about OpenSolaris![15:41:20] <Andys^> to those guys, opensolaris as a NAS is the most ghetto setup since OpenFiler[15:41:28] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[15:41:29] <effnorwood> Andys^: we store medical images from things like MRIs and CAT scanners - millions of them[15:41:29] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[15:41:33] <Andys^> ahh, ok[15:41:38] <mbreitba> I love the supermicro stuff - our whole build is built around supermicro - http://www.zfsbuild.com/[15:41:56] <Andys^> effnorwood: not just store? if it was just store i'd imagine you have one motherboard and many disks[15:41:57] <mbreitba> hehe - the VMWare guys will like the new Compellent announcement from yesterday then[15:42:21] <mbreitba> http://www.infostor.com/index/articles/display/articles/infostor/nas/2010/april-2010/compellent-adds_zfs-based.html[15:42:46] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:42:51] *** Asias has quit IRC[15:42:51] <effnorwood> Andys^: our storage is 10 racks of SM 2U x 24 2.5[15:43:16] <effnorwood> the X8DTTs are for processing[15:43:16] <Andys^> ah ok.[15:43:23] <Andys^> makes sense[15:43:29] <Andys^> lots of spindles :)[15:43:45] * Andys^ was quite interested in seagate's 500gb 2.5" SAS[15:43:49] <mbreitba> effnorwood - what onboard mellanox controller are you using?[15:44:01] <mbreitba> the add-in card that I'm using is an Infinihost III EX card[15:44:29] <effnorwood> mbreitba: it's a connectx qdr single port[15:44:57] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: Besides what you have just posted in this channel can you provide any more insight into your infrastructure or point to a resource which helped you determine what infrastructure you needed? I am looking to build near the same infrastructure you describe but had some reservations on what hardware to choose to use with OpenSolaris.[15:45:00] <effnorwood> mbreitba: we're using SRP as the ULP[15:45:07] <Andys^> interesting reading about the fact that you can't hot swap the networking section of supermicro blade[15:45:21] <Andys^> thats a good example of why you need two blade chassis :([15:45:23] <mbreitba> the connectx stuff works fine with OpenSolaris? I was awful timid about ordering stuff that wasn't on the HCL[15:45:37] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: I am a consultant and was hired to design and implement this architecture. You can hire me too. :)[15:46:57] <effnorwood> mbreitba: the connectx worked ok with snv 131 out of the box - took a lot of messing around - i have since re-written the driver[15:47:14] *** RoyK has quit IRC[15:47:16] <Andys^> ouch[15:47:33] <mbreitba> Andy - yeah, I wasn't super impressed with the fact that I had to take the chassis offline to remove two screws. On our spare bladecenter those screws are now gone so we _can_ hot swap the IB networking in[15:47:34] <effnorwood> i am a perfectionist[15:47:52] <mbreitba> all of the other networking (gigabit) is hot swapable[15:48:05] <mbreitba> the tavor driver?[15:48:19] <mbreitba> err[15:48:27] <mbreitba> connectx is the hermon, isn't it?[15:48:48] *** timothyr has quit IRC[15:48:59] <Andys^> btw, the AbleCom power supplies are great. never had a failure[15:49:14] <effnorwood> mbreitba: hermon, yes[15:49:32] <mbreitba> have those updates been pushed back into OSOL releases?[15:49:41] <mbreitba> or were those private driver updates?[15:49:47] <effnorwood> mbreitba: no. they are private.[15:50:03] <mbreitba> a guy can hope, can't he?[15:50:05] <mbreitba> ;)[15:50:29] <Andys^> I imagine if you've just bought 10 racks of equipment you probably want to make sure it works well ;)[15:50:29] *** timothyr has joined #opensolaris[15:50:41] *** icarus902 is now known as stevemaresca[15:51:05] <effnorwood> Andys^: 10 is just the start. we're up to something much bigger here in the US.[15:51:08] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[15:51:12] <Andys^> damn[15:51:16] <Andys^> which disks are you using?[15:51:58] *** korb has quit IRC[15:52:18] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[15:52:34] *** popster has joined #opensolaris[15:52:43] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[15:52:51] <Andys^> and what configuration on each chassis? raidz2?[15:53:05] <effnorwood> Andys^: a lot of the 500GB SAS, a lot of the OCZ solid states drives, some fusion-io and a bunch of ddrdrives for ZILs[15:53:40] <Andys^> any dramas with the 500gb SAS jobs?[15:53:51] <Andys^> they seem a little slow for 2.5", but are quite low power[15:54:28] <effnorwood> Andys^: the environment here is mostly archive so slow is ok[15:55:11] <Andys^> why'd you go 2.5" then?[15:55:44] <Andys^> 3.5" would have given double the storage density[15:55:52] <Andys^> with say.. 12 x 2TB in 2U[15:56:16] *** RoyK has quit IRC[15:56:30] <effnorwood> Andys^: that was then. :) now we are. WD green drives.[15:56:37] <Andys^> ah[15:56:49] * Andys^ is trying to get OFF wd green drives[15:56:54] <effnorwood> this client is trying to take over the world[15:56:59] <Andys^> (tm)[15:57:14] <effnorwood> my guys here love the green drives[15:57:22] <Andys^> i did love them, but had too many problems in the end[15:58:15] <effnorwood> our favorite command is set copies=3[15:58:20] <Andys^> hahh[15:58:27] <Andys^> i woulda thought you'd go for RAIDZ3 :)[15:58:28] *** Wes-- has quit IRC[15:58:55] *** ionizer_ has quit IRC[15:58:56] *** arkadi has quit IRC[15:58:57] <effnorwood> no - 3 simple copies is perfect and obviates the need for raid in this setup[15:59:00] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[15:59:11] <Stric> effnorwood: are you doing raid0 + copies=3?[15:59:26] <Andys^> hrmm[15:59:27] *** ionizer has joined #opensolaris[15:59:36] <Andys^> why would you do that instead of mirroring?[15:59:40] <Stric> effnorwood: if so, you have misunderstood what copies=3 is.[16:00:18] <effnorwood> Stric: no. raidz, set copies =3 then we do some custom python "moving around of stuff"[16:00:19] <Stric> it won't save you from disk failure.. it will save you from disk corruption[16:00:44] <Andys^> bizarro[16:00:59] <effnorwood> i'm trying to get them to agree to raidz, no copies on single boxes, then move stuff around[16:01:10] <effnorwood> hey i'm a consultant :) - client driven[16:01:18] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[16:01:21] <Andys^> you mean you store multiple copies across servers in higher layers?[16:01:36] <Stric> instead of doing raidz and copies=3, do 3 way raid10 instead.. more performance, less wasted space, more secure[16:02:16] <Andys^> with the 24x2.5" box i'd go for 2 x 12-disk raidz2, or 3 x 8-disk raidz2[16:02:19] <Andys^> for that application[16:02:46] <effnorwood> what i want to get to for this application is jbod and 3 simple copies all on different nodes[16:02:56] <effnorwood> like CAS[16:03:28] <Andys^> makes sense, i guess, if you can handle it from the higher layers adequately[16:05:04] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[16:05:12] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[16:05:14] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[16:05:14] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[16:05:25] *** ionizer has quit IRC[16:07:41] *** sushiandbeer has joined #opensolaris[16:08:57] *** Wes-- has joined #opensolaris[16:09:21] <effnorwood> on a completely different note, the eFlight Blade SR is finally out![16:09:32] <Andys^> wassat?[16:09:33] <effnorwood> smrt: explain eflite[16:09:34] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about eflite...[16:09:47] <Andys^> helicopter??[16:09:52] <effnorwood> remote control helicopter yep :)[16:09:58] <Andys^> haha[16:10:08] <Andys^> i love the crazy-ass batteries you use in those[16:10:11] <Andys^> lithium polymer[16:10:25] <Andys^> which comes with warning labels like "Do not charge indoors"[16:10:26] <Andys^> ;)[16:11:43] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[16:11:53] <effnorwood> i'm going to just type opensolaris in #vmware - watch the hornets swarm :)[16:13:09] <Shoggoth> lol.... are you serious?[16:13:21] <Shoggoth> If so please wait until I join #vmware and get some popcorn :)[16:13:40] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[16:13:44] *** gswain has joined #opensolaris[16:14:30] <effnorwood> heh[16:14:31] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:14:47] <Andys^> heheh[16:14:52] <Andys^> have you actually used dedupe dude? ;)[16:15:07] <Shoggoth> who me?[16:15:11] <Andys^> no, effnorwood[16:15:14] *** gswain has left #opensolaris[16:15:57] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[16:16:23] <effnorwood> we are in fact running dedup on snv 131 yes[16:17:09] <effnorwood> as long as you steer clear of my favorite bug, #6924824 all seems to work just fine[16:17:17] <RoyK> effnorwood: how much disk space/memory[16:17:19] <RoyK> ?[16:17:19] <effnorwood> oh - and don't use quotas either[16:17:22] *** ionizer has joined #opensolaris[16:17:40] <RoyK> but 6924824?[16:17:40] <effnorwood> 48GB ram and 24 x 500GB disks per 2U[16:17:54] <RoyK> ok[16:18:05] <RoyK> 24 disks in 2U?[16:18:10] <RoyK> sounds a lot[16:18:21] <effnorwood> RoyK: yes, supermicro goodness[16:18:31] <effnorwood> 24 x 2.5[16:18:36] <RoyK> oh - 2,5 :)[16:18:52] <Andys^> effnorwood: ah I see. you have enough RAM for dedupe ;)[16:19:00] <RoyK> we're using supermicross as well, but with bigger drives[16:19:10] <Andys^> btw, apparently supermicro is preparing a larger 2.5" chassis[16:19:29] <Andys^> 4RU with 72 or something[16:19:45] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[16:19:59] <effnorwood> they now have 48 x 3.5 in 4U i think[16:20:05] <RoyK> they do 45 3,5" drives in 4U now for JBOD[16:20:06] <effnorwood> front and back[16:20:13] <RoyK> not 48 iirc[16:20:32] <RoyK> and only 35 if you want PC guts in it[16:20:44] *** gswain has joined #opensolaris[16:20:52] <RoyK> 'only' 35 :)[16:20:59] <gswain> what is ogb-discuss[16:21:22] <RoyK> oh, god, bastards?[16:21:49] <Shoggoth> lol... close[16:21:49] <Andys^> 36[16:21:55] <Shoggoth> opensolaris governing board[16:21:57] <|woody|> sun should build a thumper with 2,5 drives :)[16:21:58] <RoyK> Andys^: ok[16:22:17] <RoyK> or just SSDs :þ[16:22:26] <AukeF> they have those. Look up the F5100[16:22:39] <effnorwood> i have a 16GB microsd card - what if we took the memory out of that and just filled up an entire rack with those chips?[16:23:02] <effnorwood> it wouldn't be fast but that would be a giant storage brick[16:23:30] <|woody|> well get a few f5100 :)[16:23:34] <seanmcg> wouldn't last long either effnorwood. microsd have a limited write count[16:24:46] <Stric> so does all flash chips[16:25:00] <Stric> that's where wear leveling comes in..[16:25:14] <effnorwood> doesn't seem to inhibit sales at FusionIO[16:25:19] *** arun_ has joined #opensolaris[16:25:39] <Andys^> lol[16:25:52] <Andys^> not all flash is created equally :)[16:25:52] <RoyK> I wonder how long it takes before harddisk producers will start adding SSD cache to their drives[16:26:13] <Andys^> effnorwood: i have one of those 16gb microSD in my android... they're bloody amazing aren't they? like if you drop it in the carpet, its gone forever lol[16:26:23] <Andys^> RoyK: i heard seagate has planned that[16:26:35] <RoyK> shouldn't be very hard...[16:26:49] <effnorwood> Andys^: tell me about it! i lost one already![16:26:50] <Stric> and ssds are using ram cache..[16:26:54] <RoyK> 'hybrid' drives :)[16:27:09] <effnorwood> we're using a ddrdrive for our zil and it is awesome[16:27:11] <|woody|> I rather use zfs hybrid pools :)[16:27:31] <RoyK> sure[16:27:35] *** hsp has quit IRC[16:27:50] <effnorwood> mike la spina did a write up on it on his blog - http://blog.laspina.ca/ubiquitous/running-zfs-over-nfs-as-a-vmware-store[16:28:33] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[16:28:43] <Andys^> Adaptec have already used flash as cache in one of their new raid cards[16:31:00] <jbk> isn't 5ms access times for storage generally considered 'good' (espeically during heavy i/o)[16:31:21] <Shoggoth> effnorwood: seems that there's only a couple of hornets on #vmware :([16:33:35] <effnorwood> Shoggoth: yea - they were nice today![16:33:55] <Shoggoth> usual carping about netapp[16:34:02] <effnorwood> my previous experiences have been that just the mention of opensolaris sets them into a rage[16:34:10] <Shoggoth> meh... always been overpriced nonsense[16:34:24] <effnorwood> i love netapp. i worked for netapp for 7 years. and i love opensolaris.[16:34:30] <effnorwood> zfs is awesome.[16:34:44] <effnorwood> zfs, vmware and infiniband are what i do.[16:34:50] <Andys^> it doesnt make a huge amount of sense to compare the two[16:35:01] <Andys^> since you're comparing a product with an operating system[16:35:08] <Shoggoth> eh... they're probably a good employer but I remember when they started out they were essentially selling BSDi based appliances for a very large margin[16:35:15] <Andys^> makes more sense to compare a NetApp $blah to a Sun Storage 7xxx[16:35:15] <effnorwood> well, netapp sued sun over zfs because it is so much like WAFL[16:35:21] <Shoggoth> it always seemed a little dishonest to me[16:35:24] <Shoggoth> yeah I remember that[16:35:31] <effnorwood> however, Auspex felt the same way when netapp started[16:36:12] *** hsp has quit IRC[16:36:37] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[16:36:45] <Shoggoth> the solaris/linux/*bsd camps always have their little bitch sessions but I like them all becuase it gives me a chance to decide on implementation details[16:36:52] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[16:36:56] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[16:37:00] <Andys^> so i can't really recommend people build their own opensolaris box for vmware storage in #vmware, most people who come in there for advice are n00bs and need something more reliable/redundant to recommend to their boss[16:37:08] *** fahadsadah has joined #opensolaris[16:37:39] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[16:37:52] <Shoggoth> Andys^: you're exactly right about that - I actually have a day job doing VMware stuff but I'm finding the platform more and more disappointing because it's so windows centric[16:38:01] <Shoggoth> sensible business decision[16:38:18] <Shoggoth> but it makes working in the enviroment really lame[16:38:43] <Andys^> *nod* i use a subset that doesnt require windows[16:38:58] <Andys^> vCentre Server is slow & bloated :([16:39:07] <Shoggoth> eh... I work as a VMware instructor so 90% of what I see is windoze :([16:39:41] <Andys^> well let me put it this way.. when i install esxi, i only really use VI client to register the serial, then i switch to console mode ;)[16:39:54] <Shoggoth> yeah... ESX is actually a nice platform but vCenter is aweful[16:40:06] <Andys^> vmware kernel vs vCenter is like night and day heh[16:40:17] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[16:40:33] <Shoggoth> I think the main problem is that it's built on top of Dot-Nyet[16:40:59] <Andys^> yes[16:41:17] <Andys^> and mssql. which means they're so tied to it they can't port to linux without alot of hassle[16:41:32] <Shoggoth> well you can run on oracle[16:41:43] <|woody|> they had a linux beta for vcenter 2.5[16:41:52] <Andys^> woody: and then it got shitcanned :([16:42:11] <|woody|> yep[16:42:11] <Shoggoth> but personally I wouldn't recommend it simply becuase 90% of deployments run on MS SQL hence it's the most well debugged[16:42:25] *** gswain has left #opensolaris[16:42:42] <|woody|> and the easyest to do :) no orcale folks to talk to so they give you a db :)[16:43:00] <Shoggoth> I'll be very happy once the guys at intel finish integrating nested hypervisor support into Xen[16:43:10] <Andys^> why's that?[16:43:40] <Shoggoth> well I also run Xen courses... being able to run VM's with both hypervisors on my laptop is very handy for demos[16:44:02] <Andys^> ahhhh[16:44:06] <Shoggoth> and once you couple that with a solaris dom0 + zfs dedupe... lots of VMs with less disk :)[16:44:11] <Andys^> then you can try Live Migrating instances of ESXi between laptops ;)[16:44:46] <Shoggoth> ppl have done it :)[16:45:11] <Shoggoth> I'll try and track down the blog post[16:45:28] <|woody|> I run esxi in vmware fusion to demo stuff. Never powerd on a VM in esxi though :)[16:45:31] <Shoggoth> some guy had an ESX VM running on bare metal and VMotioned it to a VM[16:45:34] <Shoggoth> really neat stuff[16:45:58] <Shoggoth> woody: it works OK if you have a Core i7 or the lastest AMD proc[16:46:15] <Shoggoth> if you have an older CPU it's very slooooowwww[16:46:41] <jamesd2> i dont see a laptop cabible or running dedup.... unless you have a lot of ram and ssd's[16:46:45] <Shoggoth> it's the NPT/EPT support[16:47:16] <Shoggoth> heh... I'm just about to order a new laptop and one I'm considering has 256GB ssd and 16GB of RAM :)[16:47:29] <Andys^> crikey[16:47:35] <Andys^> 16gb's not too good for battery life ;)[16:47:40] <jamesd2> they make laptops with 16GB?[16:47:42] <|woody|> I don't need to power it on anyway. Just use it to show how nice running vmware on sun 7xxxx is doning some cloning mounting via smb to backup or whatever[16:47:46] <effnorwood> Shoggoth: is that the Sony?[16:48:08] *** wrapster has joined #opensolaris[16:48:10] <Shoggoth> shit no[16:48:25] <CosmicDJ> sad sad day :( http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/29/the-setting-sun "In order to ensure a consistently high quality browser across our most popular desktop platforms we have reluctantly decided to drop support for Solaris."[16:48:57] <wrapster> does osol by default come with all the internationalization libs? or are there only a set of defaults that are included in the ISO .. the remaining can be downloadeD?[16:49:12] <Shoggoth> I like the look of some of the VAIO's but they're extremenly unreliable in my experience, they're really overpriced and well... it's made by Sony and I won't give them a penny[16:49:55] *** raichoo has quit IRC[16:50:03] <Shoggoth> I'm looking at a HP Elitebook 8540w[16:50:23] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[16:50:23] <effnorwood> ah - HP[16:50:31] <Shoggoth> before you say it...[16:50:52] <Shoggoth> HP/Dell/Tosh/Lenovo all make good machines _if_ you buy the high end corporate modesl[16:50:55] <Shoggoth> models*[16:51:02] *** p3rror has quit IRC[16:51:15] <Shoggoth> the consumer models they sell at the local mall are uniformly crap[16:51:33] <effnorwood> Shoggoth: "starting at 6.5 pounds"![16:51:37] <gebi> Shoggoth: x201s ;)[16:51:40] <Shoggoth> yeah well...[16:51:59] <Shoggoth> besides I do a lot of consulting work for HP so I can put the hard word on someone to get me staff pricing :)[16:52:00] <Andys^> fwoar[16:52:10] <alanc> wrapster: the LiveCD includes a subset of locales, the rest are in the pkg repo[16:52:25] <Shoggoth> I'm probably going to opt for it's 14" little brother it's less powerful but is a fair bit lighter[16:52:29] <effnorwood> i want a laptop with a QDR infiniband port - that would be awesome[16:52:36] <Andys^> 3 lbs is my limit[16:52:37] <wrapster> alanc: and what is that subset? How do i figure it out?[16:52:44] *** timsf has quit IRC[16:52:46] <wrapster> or is it documented somewhere?[16:52:48] <Andys^> effnorwood: hahah... i bet Fluke make one :/[16:52:57] * alanc wonders how many people would believe him if he posted that 2010.03 was delayed so we could change the default desktop background to http://www.oracle.com/ocom/groups/public/@ocom/documents/webcontent/065333.zip[16:53:02] <Shoggoth> Andys^: it's going to be a big step up for me... my current laptop is 10.6" and is 1.4kg[16:53:12] <alanc> wrapster: pkg list shows what packages are installed, beyond that, I don't know[16:53:29] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[16:53:37] <lblume> alanc: Let me guess. It's now red?[16:53:57] <jbit> alanc: what[16:54:03] <jbit> alanc: why does that picture exist anyway?[16:54:04] <jbit> :)[16:54:14] <Andys^> can there be a GRUB menu option to make the desktop blank? :P[16:54:45] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:54:48] <CIA-33> Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik at Sun dot COM>: 6886398 exec_attr lookups crash if /etc/security/exec_attr has mtime of 0[16:55:11] <alanc> well, I guess I do know a little more - the slim_install package defines what's in the Live CD - so the full package list is: pkg contents -t depend -o fmri slim_install[16:55:12] <jbit> alanc: there's like an entire ad campain based on oracle+ironman2, wtfh[16:55:18] <jbit> weirdest cross over ever[16:55:27] <|woody|> http://www.oracle.com/us/ironman2/index.html#[16:55:28] <taemun> is there a way to tell how much of l2arc is used but dirty?[16:55:30] <alanc> yes, actual marketing tie-in http://www.oracle.com/us/ironman2/index.html[16:55:43] <jbit> that's... an interesting choice[16:55:55] <jbit> it doesnt' really make me want to buy oracle products[16:55:58] <Shoggoth> effnorwood: you have an interest in running ESX as a VM?[16:56:17] <alanc> maybe because they heard the makers of the movie say that Larry was one of their inspirations for the movie's version of the Tony Stark character?[16:56:25] <effnorwood> Shoggoth: ESXi, yes - that would help me a lot[16:56:25] <wrapster> alanc: ok thank[16:56:34] <Andys^> Shoggoth: i went from a netbook to a slightly bigger normal laptop.. 11.6" .. popped in an intel ssd, its perfect for me now[16:56:36] <taemun> (umm not dirty, sorry, I meant used but ... the data was changed since it was cached so its irrelevant?)[16:56:49] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[16:56:50] <Andys^> taemun: let us know if you find out how ;)[16:56:52] <effnorwood> but 6.5 pounds - not me :)[16:57:04] <effnorwood> madwizard: coffee![16:57:11] <jbit> alanc: hah[16:57:14] <taemun> Andys^: just find it a little odd that I have 74GB used on my l2arc, and its caching a dataset that has never been above 50GB[16:57:26] <alanc> or we can just blame fake steve jobs: http://www.fakesteve.net/2008/05/is-larry-ellison-model-for-tony-stark.html[16:57:32] <taemun> (and metadata for the pool, I guess, but I don't think there is that much)[16:57:34] <Andys^> taemun: hahaha. there's also metadata, which is stored uncompressed in (L2)ARC[16:57:40] <Andys^> but compressed on disk.[16:57:43] <taemun> yeah[16:57:52] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[16:57:53] <Andys^> apparently compresses VERY well, so wastes alot of L2ARC space[16:57:59] <Andys^> (bring on compressed L2ARC already!)[16:58:01] <taemun> :([16:58:03] <taemun> yeah exactly[16:58:13] *** Erwann has quit IRC[16:58:15] <Stric> taemun: are you looking at size vs free in 'zpool iostat -v' or l2arc_size kstat?[16:58:15] <alanc> heh, and google for that revealed the marketing tie-in included a cameo: http://blogs.forbes.com/velocity/2010/04/29/elon-musk-larry-ellison-have-cameos-in-iron-man-2/[16:58:25] <taemun> the former[16:58:34] <Shoggoth> Andys^: effnorwood: so how do you find the performance of ESX as a VM?[16:59:00] * alanc remembers Scott McNealy getting a cameo in a movie about hackers about 7-8 years ago...hrm, what was it called?[16:59:03] <lblume> If you are a super-hero and use Oracle products in your secret hideout, do you have to submit your systems to their audits? Or can you get a special licensing scheme?[16:59:22] <Andys^> oh god[16:59:24] <effnorwood> When I use ESXi in a vm, it's just for demo only[16:59:24] <Andys^> not Antitrust?[16:59:42] <alanc> Andys^: yeah! that one[16:59:44] <Andys^> amusingly bad film :)[17:00:08] *** achester has quit IRC[17:00:12] <effnorwood> our processing happens in opensolaris on sm x8dtt and our vm cluster runs also on sm x8dtts[17:02:11] <effnorwood> my laptop which i hate with a passion is a thinkpad t500 with "switchable graphics"[17:02:23] <effnorwood> more like "sh&^^^# able graphics"[17:02:39] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[17:03:29] <trochej> coffee[17:03:43] <effnorwood> trochej: ay![17:04:04] <perlmongo> I love my new Jura Impressa J5 :-)[17:04:36] <perlmongo> enjoying a triple espresso atm[17:04:51] <effnorwood> i was all "oh Jura - what kind of laptop is that!" :)[17:05:04] <perlmongo> hehe[17:05:10] <effnorwood> i am all about Mr. Coffee[17:05:16] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[17:05:23] <Shoggoth> lol[17:05:25] <effnorwood> that's MR coffee to you[17:05:29] <Shoggoth> finally a computer that makes coffee[17:05:42] <Shoggoth> how long have we all been waiting for that[17:05:42] <Tonnerre> I thought emacs already did that?[17:05:46] <effnorwood> someone here shared a link with me about an RFC for coffee over IP[17:05:54] <effnorwood> trochej: was that you?[17:06:04] <perlmongo> it might actually have a USB connector for firmware upgrades...[17:06:16] <crazed> this is probably a dumb question.. but[17:06:26] <crazed> how do i keep sar stats for a month? seems to default to 8 days[17:06:31] <crazed> and i can't find where this is configured[17:08:34] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[17:10:25] <Shoggoth> Tonnerre: <flame restardant> VI the one true editor! </flame retardant>[17:10:46] <Tonnerre> Shoggoth, bah, vi is for people who can't cope with ed[17:11:12] <Shoggoth> http://xkcd.com/378/[17:11:25] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[17:11:54] <Shoggoth> or put another way - my hand isn't steady enough for a needle[17:13:35] <Shoggoth> in all seriousness I never got around to learning emacs... these days it's not a big deal but back when I learnt VI a 17K binary beat a 20M binary hands down[17:13:51] <Shoggoth> especially in single user mode on a Sun3[17:13:52] <Shoggoth> :)[17:14:33] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[17:15:13] <Shoggoth> eh come to think of it I think VI may have been a bit bigger than that but you get the idea[17:15:29] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[17:16:37] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[17:16:45] *** calum has quit IRC[17:20:43] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[17:21:18] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[17:23:49] <popster> Can anyone tell me what is going wrong here? http://opensolaris.pastebin.com/TLwrkQWa[17:24:07] <effnorwood> mbreitba: like your website - very cool![17:24:38] <Stric> popster: it says "I need symbols from libnsl and libsocket", but you're not providing them[17:24:43] <Stric> popster: -lnsl -lsocket[17:24:57] <popster> Stric: k ty I will try[17:25:07] *** lattera has quit IRC[17:25:32] *** dalibor has quit IRC[17:25:39] <popster> Stric: Success[17:25:43] *** ryoohki has quit IRC[17:25:57] <dajhorn> Reminds me of Carly.[17:32:16] <Wes--> Fiorina?[17:32:26] *** stevemaresca has quit IRC[17:32:56] <Shoggoth> shudder[17:33:52] <Wes--> Shoggoth: emacs from that era, stripped, is a 3.1MB binary[17:34:13] <Wes--> Shoggoth: Well, I'm looking at at '98 binary - so on a Sun3 it was probably even smaller[17:34:16] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[17:34:43] <Tonnerre> eight megabytes and continuously swapping[17:36:53] *** ionizer has quit IRC[17:37:02] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:38:08] <Shoggoth> Wes--: hmmm... for some reason I remember it being a lot bigger than that[17:38:22] <Shoggoth> but still 3.1MB was a very large executable back then[17:38:30] <Wes--> Shoggoth: Would you like me to email you one? :)[17:38:55] <Wes--> Shoggoth: True - this is one I built X11R5 support on a sparc in '97. So for Sun3 it should have been possible to get much smaller.[17:39:01] <Wes--> Especially if you didn't want X[17:39:26] <Shoggoth> Wes--: not unless your email client also supports time travel :)[17:39:26] <Wes--> Actually, those things had that Suntool crap, didn't they?[17:39:41] <Wes--> Shoggoth: It does, but not in this timeline, sadly[17:39:46] <Shoggoth> actually I think the 20MB binary was on a Sun4[17:39:58] <Shoggoth> I've still got a few of those lying around :)[17:40:13] <tsoome> i have built X11R5 on sun3 myself, but i cant remember sizes:D[17:40:46] <Shoggoth> heh... point is I think that emacs is good for dev's VI is good for sys admins[17:40:58] <Shoggoth> besides I think I'd have trouble learning new habits now[17:40:59] <Wes--> Shoggoth: Yes[17:41:00] *** merzo has quit IRC[17:41:08] <Wes--> I do that split when I split tasks, actually[17:41:17] <Wes--> Although I'm not really fond of vim[17:41:52] <Shoggoth> vim I don't mind... gvim annoys the c##p out of me though[17:41:56] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[17:44:15] <RoyK> Shoggoth: I don't like c# either[17:44:18] * RoyK sniggers[17:44:37] <Shoggoth> lol... well yes I don't like _that_ either[17:45:08] <RoyK> imho vim is a text mode app and should remain there[17:45:35] <Wes--> and if you really need it in a gui[17:45:36] <Shoggoth> I'm not averse to a decent GUI-ized VI... gvim isn't it though[17:45:40] <Wes--> load emacs and start VI mode :D[17:45:44] <Shoggoth> lol[17:45:49] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[17:45:53] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[17:46:34] <RoyK> Wes--: open a terminal[17:46:57] *** zomGreg has joined #opensolaris[17:47:10] <Shoggoth> heh... hands up the number of ppl who use their GUI desktop as a way of opening a dozen or more terminals at once :)[17:47:35] <Shoggoth> hell until the invention of the web I don't think I used a desktop to run any other program except xterm[17:47:44] * RoyK rises hand[17:48:12] <RoyK> raises, even[17:48:16] *** twisti_ is now known as twisti[17:48:22] <twisti> Hi![17:48:35] <twisti> I tried to update to b137 but it fails with a ZFS error.[17:48:45] <jamesd2> i typically have 12 or more terminals open.... and sometimes i have a virtual sun ray session with 5 or more terminals in that session as well[17:48:59] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:49:03] <twisti> ...to b137 from b135.[17:49:09] <twisti> Damn, 134.[17:49:21] <Shoggoth> I'm not that hardcore though.. I once new a guy who used command line tools to do photoshop type things[17:49:25] <Shoggoth> I kid you not[17:49:45] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[17:50:32] <RoyK> Shoggoth: imagemagick is nice with that[17:50:43] <twisti> Could it be the case that I need to upgrade my ZFS version?[17:50:58] <Shoggoth> indeed... except this was before that... I suspect he may have wrote the tools himself[17:51:18] <jbit> twisti: what's the exact error[17:51:29] <Shoggoth> then again he had a background in optical physics so I guess it went with the territory[17:52:12] <twisti> jbit, Update Phase 24582/24582[17:52:12] <twisti> pkg: unable to activate opensolaris-135[17:52:26] <twisti> It was mounted so I unmounted manually.[17:52:31] <twisti> Then I tried to activate:[17:52:38] <twisti> root@macbook:~# beadm activate opensolaris-137[17:52:38] <twisti> Unable to activate opensolaris-137.[17:52:38] <twisti> ZFS returned an error.[17:53:19] <jbit> sounds strange[17:53:21] <tsoome> dont force it if it failed in earlier step:P[17:53:23] *** JDuke128 has joined #opensolaris[17:53:35] <tsoome> and no, you do not need to upgrade zfs[17:53:40] <twisti> OK[17:53:52] <JDuke128> hi , will opensolaris use GPU unit on computer like windows7 and new modern OS's using it completly ?[17:53:57] <twisti> Should I try a image-update again?[17:53:57] <tsoome> that will lock you up from using older BE's[17:54:05] <twisti> Yeah I know.[17:54:28] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[17:54:31] <tsoome> yea, you can try image-update again[17:54:37] <twisti> Is there some debugging output for beadm?[17:54:43] <tsoome> did you update pkg before image-update?[17:54:48] <twisti> Hmm[17:54:51] <twisti> No.[17:55:02] <jbit> JDuke128: that's basically up to x.org/kde/gnome/etc, not opensolaris[17:55:13] <twisti> tsoome, Good point.[17:55:32] <twisti> Oh no.[17:55:41] <twisti> root@macbook:~# beadm destroy opensolaris-137[17:55:41] <twisti> Are you sure you want to destroy opensolaris-137? This action cannot be undone(y/[n]): y[17:55:42] <twisti> Unable to destroy opensolaris-137.[17:55:42] <twisti> ZFS returned an error.[17:56:02] <jbit> JDuke128: opensolaris will basically accelerate everything a linux machine with similar drives can, asusming theer are graphics drivers for opensolaris (ATI neglect to do this)[17:56:20] <tsoome> pastebin zfs list -t all[17:56:31] <Shoggoth> jbit: yes that's probably the biggest issue[17:56:43] <Shoggoth> has anyone prodded AMD/ATI about that?[17:57:03] <twisti> tsoome, http://pastebin.com/XEdfGbDE[17:57:04] <jbit> Shoggoth: i think their official repsonse was that the drivers are opensource so other people should do it[17:57:17] <Shoggoth> lol.... what a load of crap[17:57:27] <Shoggoth> have you seen their opensource "driver" >[17:57:29] <JDuke128> jbit , i m using beagleboard , i want to use opensolaris arm port , is there anything like linux , directfb and directfb java support ?[17:57:31] <RoyK> opensolaris has effectively decelerated my machine by seeing only 2 out of 8 GB RAM[17:57:34] <tsoome> zfs destroy rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-137 ?[17:57:43] <Shoggoth> it's just a bit of mode switching code.. and that's about it[17:58:04] <jbit> JDuke128: not as far as i know[17:58:20] *** gebi has quit IRC[17:58:24] <jbit> JDuke128: iirc directfb has very basic support for OS' other than linux[17:58:26] <twisti> tsoome, That worked. Odd.[17:58:34] <Shoggoth> I'd really like to go for the ATI option in my new laptop but of course the drivers aren't there[17:58:35] <JDuke128> ubuntu 10 is really suck[17:58:38] <jbit> JDuke128: on solaris it's either x11 or terminal[17:58:56] <jbit> Shoggoth: i'm a nvidia guy, i dont' touch ATI stuff usually[17:59:09] <jbit> Shoggoth: err... no[17:59:13] <twisti> tsoome, I try with an updated pkg. Thanks.[17:59:13] <JDuke128> X11 slows down my embedded system[17:59:16] <jbit> Shoggoth: ATI have a full opensource 3d drier[17:59:35] <JDuke128> i want directfb system on opensolaris arm port[17:59:35] <jbit> JDuke128: i don't think using opensolaris for embedded work is a good idea though[17:59:38] <Shoggoth> jbit: only support chips that are a generation or two old[17:59:52] <Shoggoth> fine for a desktop PC[18:00:00] <JDuke128> jbit , the advantage of opensolaris arm port is , multi cpu ?[18:00:09] <Shoggoth> but with laptops you don't really get much of a choice[18:00:12] <jbit> JDuke128: i think it's for NAS type machines[18:00:25] *** mph has quit IRC[18:00:33] <JDuke128> NAS type machines?[18:00:38] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[18:00:41] <jbit> JDuke128: so you have an arm cpu, a bunch of sata controllers, bunch of disks, opensolaris and you end up with a really nice solution[18:00:45] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[18:00:59] <jbit> i don't think the ARM port is designed to compete with linux in the embedded space[18:01:12] <jbit> other than in embedded storage and such[18:01:37] <jbit> (this isn't an official stand, it's jsut what i get hte impression of)[18:01:45] <JDuke128> i think opensolaris may take its place on embedded if it supports dual or more arm cpu controlling same os[18:01:52] <JDuke128> with raid sd cards[18:02:01] <jbit> well solaris uses tonnes of ram by default[18:02:10] *** mph has joined #opensolaris[18:02:31] <jbit> i don't think it's a well suited embedded OS[18:03:32] <rkeene> True story.[18:03:40] <lblume> RAID SD cards? multiple CPU? what kind of device is that?[18:04:25] <JDuke128> Iblume , we are team we working on new embedded system that is using multi arm card with multi sd cards[18:04:43] <JDuke128> that we use opensolaris arm port as native[18:05:02] <JDuke128> use of ZFS and Solaris multi cpu friendly[18:05:08] <jbit> well, i think a nice little dual core arm system with 2gigs of ram, four sata ports, coupel of gbit ethernet ports, very fat dma controller running opensolaris would make a nice little NAS box[18:05:36] *** ampex has joined #opensolaris[18:05:49] *** ampex has quit IRC[18:05:55] *** tg has quit IRC[18:06:03] <lblume> Would it be better than a regular Atom based one?[18:06:04] <jbit> but using it for anything else... i just don't see what advantage opensolaris would have to be honest[18:06:18] <jbit> lblume: arm is almost always lower power[18:06:31] <RoyK> lblume: probably same performance - arm is like 1/6 of power usage[18:06:35] <JDuke128> Atom sucks[18:06:43] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[18:06:50] <RoyK> arn is quite bad on fpu, though[18:06:56] <jbit> RoyK: not recently[18:06:58] *** ampex has joined #opensolaris[18:06:59] <RoyK> no?[18:07:09] <jbit> RoyK: new arms have very good FPUs and even vector processors[18:07:12] <JDuke128> Take a look at beagleboard : www.beagleboard.org[18:07:15] <jbit> old arms had no floats[18:07:17] <RoyK> jbit: nice[18:07:35] <RoyK> I read somewhere the Atom was way ahead of the ARMs[18:07:36] <jbit> (but, why would you need floating point on a NAS system? :)[18:07:37] <JDuke128> Atom doesnt contain like all in one cpu OMAP3530 and OMAP4 series[18:07:38] <RoyK> FTP wise[18:07:42] <JDuke128> OMAP = ARM[18:08:07] <JDuke128> TI OMAP contains = DSP Unit + CPU + GPU in 1 little chip[18:08:11] <JDuke128> that atom doesnt have[18:08:21] <RoyK> no[18:08:36] <jbit> JDuke128: the next generation of atom will have an SoC solution though from what i hear[18:08:37] <JDuke128> atom requires extra boards[18:08:38] <RoyK> Intel really never understood embedded systems :)[18:08:59] <Shoggoth> JDuke128: lol... I read that as "atom required extra bonds"[18:09:27] <JDuke128> extra modules[18:09:28] <RoyK> jbit: does that matter when ARM can do with far less power as of now? it'll take years for intel to surpass them[18:09:44] <jbit> RoyK: nope, just relevent[18:09:47] <jbit> RoyK: i'm all for ARM :)[18:09:54] <Shoggoth> RoyK: I agree.. doubly so for microsoft... I used to do embedded systems work in a previous life, these days people talk about swap with an embedded system .... WTF?[18:09:58] <jbit> i don't think intel will surpass arm[18:10:06] <JDuke128> Intel is expensive and just %14 more performance then ARM , i can buy 2x ARM chip double speed[18:10:14] <JDuke128> with small memory usage[18:10:23] <JDuke128> small power usage sry[18:10:53] <RoyK> jbit: we have this little 400MHz ARM9 system at work, ethernet, some serial ports and 64MB RAM + 64MB flash - the cpu uses a maximum of 119mW and the system as a whole up to 3 watts with all external ports running[18:11:01] <jbit> i think the main reason intel will fail is they're not willign to license their cores, rather than anything technical[18:11:02] <JDuke128> hackers using OMAP3 to crack some codes on Redhat conference i saw , why they dont use Intel ATOM ?[18:11:09] <TommyTK> would you consider the iPhone/iPod touch an embedded system?[18:11:36] <jbit> having a million different ARM based SoCs with various features is always going to win out over one or two SoCs made by the CPU mfg[18:11:37] <RoyK> by today's standards, yes[18:11:44] <TommyTK> heh[18:11:49] <JDuke128> they use distributed OMAP3 processors not intel atoms[18:12:23] <JDuke128> intel is fuc king capitalyst trying to capture everything also...[18:12:24] <jbit> RoyK: yeah, i used to work as an embededd programmer[18:12:28] <RoyK> we use some rather nice 8bit Atmel CPUs at work for some systems - that's embedded :)[18:12:30] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:12:37] <jbit> RoyK: had one or two arm boards that wouldnt' load my power supply enough to provide power[18:12:49] <JDuke128> i hate a companies why is trying to capture every sector[18:12:53] <JDuke128> fuc king bitch intel[18:12:58] <RoyK> jbit: lol[18:12:59] <TommyTK> like Oracle? :p[18:13:18] <JDuke128> yea[18:13:22] <jbit> RoyK: atmega sucks![18:13:27] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[18:13:34] <Shoggoth> RoyK: I used to do a bunch of 6502 based systems... like I said in a previous life :)[18:13:34] <JDuke128> i hate some companies like that[18:13:42] *** stevemaresca has joined #opensolaris[18:13:57] <JDuke128> like microsoft bought 1 company to make project natal[18:14:04] <lblume> Yesh, having OpenSolaris trying to run on all kinds of systems would so suck - good they don't do embedded :-P[18:14:17] <JDuke128> Project Natal is not microsoft's technology , they buy everything to make things[18:14:32] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[18:14:36] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[18:14:41] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[18:14:41] <jbit> lblume: linux sucks for embedded most of the time too :)[18:14:45] <JDuke128> fuc king capilast system[18:14:54] <Shoggoth> qnx ftw?[18:14:55] <Shoggoth> ducks[18:14:59] <lblume> JDuke128: Geez, what do you mean with your rant? Sun did as much.[18:14:59] <JDuke128> capitalist[18:15:18] <jbit> lblume: sun failed though, which makes it okay (??)[18:15:50] <RoyK> jbit: atmel?[18:16:02] <RoyK> Shoggoth: hehe[18:16:03] <jbit> RoyK: 8bit atmel cpu is atmega in 90% of cases :)[18:16:17] <RoyK> :)[18:16:39] <Shoggoth> RoyK: qnx hehe or 6502 hehe ?[18:16:41] <RoyK> we just use them for in-house designed temperature / humidity sensors and such[18:17:03] <JDuke128> qnx is best on embedded system[18:17:04] <TommyTK> web based thermostats?[18:17:06] <JDuke128> but it costs much[18:17:16] <RoyK> JDuke128: these don't have an OS[18:17:29] <Shoggoth> RoyK: http://www.pagetable.com/?p=39[18:18:02] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[18:18:03] <RoyK> Shoggoth: I read about someone building a 6502 or 6510 manually some time back[18:18:31] <RoyK> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/homebrewed-cpu/[18:19:47] *** fahadsadah has quit IRC[18:20:00] <Shoggoth> RoyK: yep seen that, and head about the homebrew thing... but taking lithographs and reverse engineering the PLA is some seriously low level work[18:20:26] <Shoggoth> Sigh... those fun days are behind us now[18:20:33] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[18:23:50] <AukeF> Hi! I'm looking for a Caiman installer expert! What I would like to know is whether its possible to specify the AI manifest that is to be used in the pxegrub's menu.list, instead of via a mDNS query.[18:26:18] <seanmcg> AukeF, #caiman-discuss may be a better place to ask[18:28:05] *** hunter has quit IRC[18:28:25] *** TomJ has quit IRC[18:28:32] <AukeF> right, i'll take a look over there, thanks[18:29:02] <TommyTK> what!? you cant make it simple, it has to be MAGICAL :)[18:31:01] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:33:14] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[18:38:31] *** nachox has quit IRC[18:39:53] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:41:17] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[18:41:39] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:42:11] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[18:43:12] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[18:44:05] <Shoggoth> effnorwood: are you still about... just spotted someone on #vmware bitching about Sun product naming[18:44:47] <RoyK> what product naming_[18:44:48] <RoyK> ?[18:47:35] <Shoggoth> can't figure it out from the thread[18:47:52] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[18:48:41] <Shoggoth> I'd never bothered to read #vmware before but I thought I'd take a look when effnorwood decided to talk Sun storage on there[18:48:59] <Shoggoth> most of it sounds like a bunch of accountants[18:50:29] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:50:31] *** thepickle has quit IRC[18:50:44] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[18:51:48] *** astra-x_ has joined #opensolaris[18:52:12] *** astra-x has quit IRC[18:52:19] *** syamajala has quit IRC[18:53:26] <skeeziks> Anyone here have a copy of the dtrace script "krdbtrace?"[18:54:14] <skeeziks> This page refers to three dtrace scripts that I'd like to have copies of, but all links are not working for me: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+kerberos/Debuggin[18:55:20] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[18:56:51] <TommyTK> google cache?[18:58:23] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[18:58:42] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:59:14] <skeeziks> TommyTK: Hmm, good idea...[18:59:47] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[19:00:22] *** dtech has joined #opensolaris[19:01:10] <skeeziks> Hah, got it! Google helped indirectly.[19:04:12] *** duri has left #opensolaris[19:04:12] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[19:06:05] *** calum has quit IRC[19:06:25] *** WebDawg has quit IRC[19:06:25] *** WebDawg has joined #opensolaris[19:06:50] *** plavcik has quit IRC[19:08:47] *** lblume has quit IRC[19:12:34] *** ozux has quit IRC[19:13:55] *** niq has quit IRC[19:16:10] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[19:16:30] *** astra-x_ has quit IRC[19:16:46] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[19:17:41] *** swift has quit IRC[19:19:09] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[19:19:37] *** twisti has quit IRC[19:19:38] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris[19:20:05] *** twisti_ is now known as twisti[19:20:11] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[19:20:33] <twisti> tsoome, A rerun of image-update resulted in the same error.[19:21:53] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[19:23:24] *** dalibor has quit IRC[19:26:24] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris[19:27:26] *** theron has joined #opensolaris[19:28:47] <twisti> Got the error:[19:28:51] <twisti> set_bootfs: failed to set bootfs property for pool rpool: property 'bootfs' not supported on EFI labeled devices[19:29:04] <twisti> WTF?[19:29:10] <tsoome> zpool status -v rpool[19:29:33] <TommyTK> twisti: you have been bit :)[19:30:01] <TommyTK> twisti: you canpt use EFI labeled disks as boot disks, you have to put the zpool on a "slice" ... yes it sucks[19:30:04] <twisti> http://pastebin.com/KSn2rzzX[19:30:22] <twisti> Hmm[19:30:26] <twisti> Why did that change?[19:31:01] <TommyTK> that never changed to my knowledge, it usually becomes a problem when someone tries to move their rpool to a different disk[19:31:05] <TommyTK> thats when it burned me anyhow :)[19:31:27] <tsoome> hm, that does not seem like it should have efi on it, something is wrong there....[19:31:39] <TommyTK> tsoome: its on a slice, but that doesn't mean its not efi :)[19:31:57] <twisti> I mean: why did it work before?[19:32:02] <TommyTK> twisti: it needs to be on a VTOC, not EFI[19:32:14] <tsoome> well, its not mirrored, and its clearly bootable, so i fail to see how it can be efi;)[19:32:49] <TommyTK> twisti: did you move your rpool to another disk, maybe by zpool attach (mirroring) then zpool detach (the old one) ?[19:33:12] <twisti> I don't think so.[19:33:17] <TommyTK> k[19:33:21] <twisti> But[19:33:37] <twisti> I had this problem with the disk driver.[19:33:47] <twisti> Hang on...[19:34:04] * twisti tries to remember[19:34:06] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[19:34:17] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[19:34:18] <TommyTK> twisti: are you booted on the live CD right now by any chance?[19:34:33] <twisti> No.[19:34:33] <TommyTK> oh probably not with a hostname of "macbook" :)[19:34:41] <TommyTK> sorry, I should have paid attention better[19:35:06] <TommyTK> is this an external disk twisti or the internal disk?[19:35:17] <twisti> Internal.[19:35:22] <tsoome> what is your locale btw?[19:35:31] <TommyTK> I think the internal disk is EFI on mac's[19:35:42] *** Mdx4 has joined 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twisti: it looks like that restriction was added in build like 93-ish?[19:45:06] <TommyTK> http://www.mail-archive.com/indiana-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg07321.html[19:45:15] <TommyTK> sorry 95[19:45:49] *** parisholley has joined #opensolaris[19:45:51] *** john_dee has joined #opensolaris[19:45:59] <alanc> isn't that right around the time zfs boot was first added?[19:46:07] <TommyTK> could be[19:46:19] <twisti> Still confused.[19:46:36] <twisti> I updated this rpool since 124 without problems.[19:47:02] <TommyTK> twisti: you should probably look in format -e to see whether the disk actually has an EFI label or not to start ;)[19:47:57] *** afrasi has quit IRC[19:48:19] <TommyTK> without a mirror, I am not sure how this happened tho[19:49:02] <twisti> What command should I run?[19:49:18] *** savitr has joined #opensolaris[19:49:35] <TommyTK> format -e ... then choose the number for the rpool disk (c12..), then print ?[19:49:42] <TommyTK> pfexec format -e :)[19:49:50] <twisti> No print command.[19:50:03] <twisti> verify? current?[19:50:16] <TommyTK> sorry.. "partition" .. then "print" :)[19:50:17] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[19:50:50] <twisti> http://pastebin.com/T98vaYmV[19:51:54] <TommyTK> i forget how to check, but that doesnt look EFI to me?[19:52:22] <TommyTK> type "label" .. pastebin the next prompt, hit control C tho, dont label your rpool :)[19:52:49] <TommyTK> it should say Speciify Label Type[0]: (where 0 -> SMI)[19:53:07] <twisti> http://pastebin.com/89n44vCK[19:53:23] <TommyTK> hmmm it does... now what :)[19:53:34] <twisti> No idea :)[19:53:40] <TommyTK> We need Victor Latushkin? :)[19:54:47] <RoyK> hm... what does this mean? "cannot receive incremental stream: most recent snapshot of urd-backup/delphi does not match incremental source"[19:54:58] <CIA-33> Tom Erickson <Tom.Erickson at Sun dot COM>: 6946467 'zfs send -Ri' should include clone origin snapshots in the specified interval[19:54:58] <RoyK> the zfs send had been going on for a few days when that happened[19:55:07] <trygvis> nooooo .. http://www.osnews.com/story/23223/Opera_Drop_Solaris_Support[19:56:12] <RoyK> there had been snapshots taken after the snapshot sent, but so what?[19:56:26] *** savitr has quit IRC[19:56:32] *** h4xOr has quit IRC[19:56:42] <TommyTK> twisti: You are going to probably need someone who is a zfs developer ... my suggestion would be to do something like truss -o /tmp/zpool-set-bootfs.truss -f zpool set bootfs=whatever rpool[19:56:58] <RoyK> anyone?[19:57:03] <TommyTK> you can then pastebin the truss output... I am not even sure who will know what that means[19:57:25] <jbit> trygvis: you have to wonder how much work solaris is for them[19:57:32] <TommyTK> RoyK: were you using zfs send -i OLDSNAPSHOT NEWSNAPSHOT ?[19:57:51] <RoyK> TommyTK: zfs send -R dpool/delphi@initsend | ssh skade pfexec /usr/sbin/zfs receive urd-backup/delphi[19:58:17] <TommyTK> hmm, in that case, it shouldn't have been doing incremental :-/[19:58:45] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[19:58:47] <twisti> TommyTK, OK, thanks anyway.[19:59:15] <TommyTK> twisti: get the truss output and pastebin it though, it might be something obvious[19:59:34] <TommyTK> I just dont know who (in here) is a zfs expert ;)[20:00:33] <TommyTK> you might just include the zpool status -v, and the format -e stuff in the same paste so that you dont have to go down the same line of questions again[20:01:00] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC[20:01:33] <twisti> http://pastebin.com/xfgpiPKM[20:01:34] *** lucalenardi has quit IRC[20:03:01] <RoyK> removing a 2TB dataset takes some time ...[20:04:23] <TommyTK> RoyK: especially if its dedup :)[20:04:35] <RoyK> TommyTK: this is not deduped[20:05:34] *** alanc changes topic to "ON 138, IPS 134 (Release notes: http://bit.ly/d4N8N2 & x86 ISO torrent: http://bit.ly/9F12It ) | Docs: (READ THEM!) http://cli.gs/87t7SH | Sysadm Guide: http://cli.gs/54pBU9 | Linux->Solaris migrants: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html | Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ | 134 IS NOT 2010.03! We know 2010.03 is late. We don't know when it will be released. | We're not ogb-discuss"[20:06:00] * TommyTK /diff topic[20:06:10] <TommyTK> oh ON 138[20:06:11] *** ultrasparc-viii has joined #opensolaris[20:06:39] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[20:06:55] <TommyTK> pastebin.ca is having issues?[20:07:33] <alanc> yes, now that dlc is up and running again[20:09:15] *** winstonw0 has joined #opensolaris[20:09:20] <TommyTK> twisti: just as a test.. export LANG=C ... then try the zpool command again[20:09:30] <TommyTK> It seems to open a lot of locale stuff :-/[20:10:11] <TommyTK> i wish I could see what it was thinking between line 143 and 144[20:10:11] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[20:11:20] *** traianow has joined #opensolaris[20:11:38] <mui> ooh[20:13:24] *** raichoo has quit IRC[20:14:10] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[20:14:21] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[20:16:12] *** MuffiXXL_ has joined #opensolaris[20:16:23] <trochej> Coffee[20:17:13] <twisti> TommyTK, Tried that, no change.[20:18:28] <winstonw0> coffee[20:19:01] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[20:19:02] *** MuffiXXL_ is now known as MuffiXXL[20:19:08] *** lucalenardi has joined #opensolaris[20:21:26] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[20:21:27] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[20:23:45] *** winstonw0 is now known as winstonw_school[20:25:31] <TommyTK> twisti: ok then, like I said, something is going wrong, somehow making it think that its an EFI label, Its going to take more brain power than I have to know what ;)[20:25:36] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[20:27:25] *** lucalenardi has quit IRC[20:27:28] <twisti> TommyTK, :)[20:27:40] <twisti> Maybe I should try it on a different build.[20:27:48] <twisti> The update from 133 to 134 also worked.[20:28:05] <TommyTK> boot back to 133 as a test? maybe :)[20:29:16] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[20:30:14] *** Amse has quit IRC[20:34:57] <twisti> I will.[20:35:13] *** twisti has quit IRC[20:38:02] *** skullone_ is now known as skullone[20:40:49] <hunter> Is there a good opensolaris howto for kerberized ldaps support (just as a client)? The servers are MIT kerb and openldap.[20:41:05] *** Phoenixland has joined #opensolaris[20:42:31] *** twilling has quit IRC[20:42:58] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[20:43:01] *** jgracin has quit IRC[20:43:24] *** Metamucil has quit IRC[20:44:20] *** Metamucil has joined #opensolaris[20:44:39] *** Metamucil has quit IRC[20:44:59] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[20:45:29] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[20:46:06] *** Phoenixland has quit IRC[20:46:08] *** Amse has joined #opensolaris[20:48:24] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[20:49:43] *** eXeC001er has joined #opensolaris[20:49:46] <ivo_> yeaha ON is 138[20:49:48] <ivo_> :)[20:49:59] *** freitas has quit IRC[20:50:10] <eXeC001er> Anybody tried to load OS via GRUB2 ?[20:50:44] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[20:52:03] *** timsf has quit IRC[20:52:47] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[20:52:48] *** Metamucil has joined #opensolaris[20:54:52] <CIA-33> Sukumar Swaminathan <Sukumar.Swaminathan at Sun dot COM>: 6945799 mutex problem in oce_mbox_post()[20:57:07] *** jpd1234 has joined #opensolaris[21:00:25] <hunter> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4556[21:01:04] <hunter> Is that what I should be looking at for configuring opensolaris to use kerb/ldap?[21:02:16] *** mist64 has joined #opensolaris[21:03:37] *** CosmicDJ has joined #opensolaris[21:04:28] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[21:05:23] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[21:05:24] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[21:06:38] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[21:07:05] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[21:07:19] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[21:08:22] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[21:08:36] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[21:08:38] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[21:08:41] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[21:10:02] *** leito has quit IRC[21:14:14] *** JDuke128 has quit IRC[21:15:09] <hunter> man there's a lot of docs on AD integration, but not a lot on generic ldap[21:15:43] *** dalibor has quit IRC[21:19:18] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris[21:20:07] *** JDuke128 has joined #opensolaris[21:21:55] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[21:22:01] *** corretico has joined #opensolaris[21:22:02] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[21:22:37] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[21:26:16] <traianow> good grief, that doc is more than 300 pages![21:29:50] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[21:31:41] <hunter> traianow: I'm just glad there's any doc - I just don't know if its really relevant to opensolaris[21:31:53] <traianow> indeed.[21:32:05] <traianow> skim, don't read, I guess.[21:32:20] <hunter> and I'm not getting any reply on this channel about anything ldap related, whcih is disturbing[21:32:36] <lewellyn> hunter: the only ldap i do is activedirectory[21:32:39] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[21:33:10] <hunter> lewellyn: there's lots of docs for that. I've done AD in the past, so I may be able to translate.[21:33:12] <lewellyn> it strips the general pain of ldap + krb, and replaces it with generally well-documented pain :)[21:33:56] <hunter> I rather liked AD. From the linux side (I was using centos 4 and 5) it looked like a slightly janky kerb and ldap, and it got me out of the user account mgmt business.[21:34:25] <hunter> But the env here is mit krb5 (which i just got working) and openldap for the server.[21:34:47] <lewellyn> i'm just waiting for the kernel cifs server to do dfs and a subset of gpo and life will be good ;)[21:34:47] <jdoe> hunter: so what's the problem?[21:34:56] <lewellyn> central management is wonderful[21:35:28] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[21:35:36] <hunter> jdoe: I've found a bunch of docs, but all that I have so far is for either solaris 10 with no indication that they are relevant to opensolaris, and AD .[21:35:54] <jdoe> I would imagine the sol10 docs are relevant to opensolaris.[21:36:05] <hunter> jdoe: I was hoping to find (or be directed to) docs for non-AD ldap integration that were specific to opensolaris.[21:36:10] <jdoe> I've only done it on sol10, but other than automount (which was mildly irritating) things were pretty straightforward.[21:36:23] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris[21:36:33] <hunter> jdoe: did you bang files around or use that scary ldap script I've been warned about?[21:36:39] <lewellyn> hunter: 90%+ solaris 10 docs are relevant to opensolaris. and you haven't really explained what you're trying to do.[21:37:08] <hunter> lewellyn: get a 2009.06 (111) opensolaris using kerberos and ldaps for user authentication and logins.[21:37:26] <lewellyn> the solaris 10 docs should be fine[21:37:39] <jdoe> kerberos is setup the same way you would on any other os, give or take (the pam config is different, but whatever)[21:38:07] <jdoe> ldap was ldapclient and nsswitch.ldap[21:38:14] <hunter> lewellyn: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4556/intro-1?a=view -- is that the specific doc you'd recommend, or something else?[21:38:28] <hunter> jdoe: haven't tried pam yet.[21:39:12] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[21:39:14] <hunter> I've been warned by others about using ldapclient - I'm hoping to find the specific config files (be they config or keys or certificates) that are needed, so that I can put those files in our configuration management system.[21:39:36] <lewellyn> that's what BEs are for ;)[21:39:49] * lewellyn waits for this poor machine's resolver to find docs.sun.com[21:39:51] <hunter> a boot environment?[21:39:57] <lewellyn> yes[21:40:07] <jbk> it copies /etc/nsswitch.ldap -> /etc/nsswitch.conf, creates /var/ldap/ldap_client_file and /var/ldap/ldap_client_cred (if needed), and starts ldap_cachemgr[21:40:10] <lewellyn> try things in a fresh BE. if they fail, you have the configuration prior, still[21:40:12] *** FireflyST has joined #opensolaris[21:40:15] <hunter> oh - take a snapshot of the present just past initial install, do the ldapclient, and see what changed?[21:40:26] <jbk> and what's so bad about ldapclient[21:40:29] <jbk> works well for me[21:40:34] <lewellyn> that or just let it do its job and you can roll back if it dies[21:40:36] <jbk> and allows me to keep the client config in ldap[21:40:38] <hunter> jbk: I don't know - never used it.[21:40:56] <lewellyn> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4556/overview-1?a=view has the ldap task map[21:41:00] <hunter> lewellyn: can you walk me through creating a test BE?[21:41:17] <hunter> lewellyn: my only exposure to them so far is image-updates through pkg.[21:41:40] <lewellyn> pfexec beadm create mynewbename[21:41:50] <lewellyn> yes, it's that simple[21:42:05] <hunter> lewellyn: ok - that'd be a copy of the system AT PRESENT, which would be my "backup"?[21:42:24] <lewellyn> it'd be what you'd fall back to if it died, if that's what you mean[21:42:31] <hunter> yes, mostly.[21:43:01] <lewellyn> oh, you need to beadm activate the new be too[21:43:05] <hunter> is there a way to diff two BE's to see the difference? Can I just mount another BE at some place in the fs and do a straight diff that way? Or can you only have one BE mounted at a time?[21:43:08] <lewellyn> then a reboot will take you into it[21:43:16] <lewellyn> beadm mount[21:43:20] <lewellyn> man beadm :)[21:43:25] <hunter> I'll do that.[21:43:33] <jbit> hunter: beadm mount somebe /mnt/somepoint[21:43:41] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[21:43:43] <hunter> I have a test machine (actually 3)[21:44:08] <hunter> why do you need a beadm mount - isn't a BE just a zfs dataset/snapshot?[21:44:20] <lewellyn> it does the magic to make sure it stays consistent[21:44:35] <lewellyn> after all, you want to boot from it again probably ;)[21:44:47] <hunter> ok[21:44:58] <hunter> Let me get started with all that[21:45:06] <jbit> hunter: all BEs have "/" as their zfs mount point[21:45:26] <jbit> so to mount it without using beadm you'd need to set the mount point, mount, do stuff, unmount, remember to set hte mount point back, etc[21:45:40] <axisys> i am trying to connect to my 5310 storage from my osol desktop on same network and it is just hung .. this is what I have from javaws log http://pastebin.com/ZL5yMe8M[21:45:48] <axisys> anyone know a workaround?[21:46:05] <axisys> java ws is 1.6.0_18[21:46:58] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[21:47:10] *** LukeL_ has joined #opensolaris[21:48:44] *** stevemaresca has quit IRC[21:51:19] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[21:51:26] *** jgracin has quit IRC[21:53:04] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:54:01] *** olivier_54 has joined #opensolaris[21:54:34] *** olivier_54 has joined #opensolaris[21:54:49] <CIA-33> Amritpal Sandhu <Paul.Sandhu at Sun dot COM>: 6535949 availability of 2M pages degrades over time on Solaris/x64[21:55:31] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[21:55:45] <axisys> here are some more verbose from web[21:55:47] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/6sVStTJ1[22:01:44] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:02:01] *** sushiandbeer has quit IRC[22:02:54] *** sushiandbeer has joined #opensolaris[22:03:28] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[22:04:00] <TommyTK> axisys: 5310 was pretty sad IIRC[22:04:41] <TommyTK> we ended up making ours X4100-like, but they are still fairly under-spec'd[22:04:54] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[22:05:38] <TommyTK> ldapclient is a script, right? if you are afraid of what it does, maybe look at it and do the steps by hand?[22:06:53] <stallion_work> jmcp: awake yet?[22:08:18] <alanc> he was up late last night - I see him chatting about 7 hours ago (while I was asleep)[22:10:19] *** john_dee has left #opensolaris[22:10:23] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[22:11:06] *** LukeL_ has quit IRC[22:11:16] <PrestonConnors> Does anyone have any good how-tos to create iscsi failover with comstar and zfs? I am running into a problem when fail over occurs and the ubuntu initiator is getting weird i/o errors from the open solaris iscsi target (I am probably doing something wrong and this might be a Ubuntu problem...)[22:11:35] <stallion_work> alanc: yeesh. Looking for someone to dig up some copyright dates in ON - bored? ;)[22:11:59] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[22:12:13] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[22:13:15] *** blizzow1 has joined #opensolaris[22:13:36] <alanc> stallion_work: I forgot when we last talked that Jbeck provided a complete list of dates for reference by external contributors, so you can look them up yourself at http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Community+Group+on/WebHome/copyright-info.sort[22:13:43] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[22:13:47] <stallion_work> ahh , nice[22:13:54] <alanc> if there's any you need not in that list, I can look them up manually[22:14:19] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[22:14:22] *** n1c0b has left #opensolaris[22:14:30] <stallion_work> looks like everything I need is there... tyvm[22:15:34] <stallion_work> looking at the flag day entry, is it expected that 'All rights reserved' will be on the first line? or may be be moved to a second line?[22:15:47] <stallion_work> actually scratch that, I'll just pull from onnv_138[22:15:52] <stallion_work> I'll do some digging[22:16:15] <alanc> I think it's expected on the first line - hg nits will check if you're using a 138 or later build of SUNWonbld (or whatever it was renamed to)[22:17:01] <stallion_work> ah, good.[22:17:17] <skeeziks> I was discussing some Kerberos issues with someone in here over the last few days (I think it was TommyTK). I may have solved the problem. Kerberos and GSSAPI *hate* you if pkg:/system/kernel/security/gss is not installed :)[22:17:41] <TommyTK> ah[22:18:00] <skeeziks> Though, I am surprised how well things worked without it.[22:18:01] <TommyTK> yea, I am TommyTheKid too, I just had an argument with NickServ and haven't fixed my nick yet :)[22:19:44] <skeeziks> TommyTK: At 11:21 tonight we'll see if everything is fixed.[22:19:54] <TommyTK> 11:21?[22:20:13] <skeeziks> It's when my tickets expire :) I could make it shorter, but I've got other stuff to do too :)[22:20:30] <TommyTK> ah[22:20:31] * skeeziks is using too many smilies[22:20:43] <skeeziks> Note to self: add system/kernel/security/gss to my minimal AI installation.[22:20:48] <axisys> TommyTK: not sure why javaws stop'd working to access the 5310 interface tho[22:21:23] <alanc> I just saw the code review a few minutes ago to list the gss dependencies[22:21:32] <alanc> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~mjnelson/webrev.deps/[22:21:42] *** vraa has quit IRC[22:21:46] <TommyTK> axisys: I really haven't much experience, I know we had the HA model that was a front-end to SAN storage, and we were deeply unimpressed[22:21:56] <TommyTK> so far the 7410c/7310c are FAR better[22:22:10] <alanc> oh, I guess that was user-space gss, not kernel[22:22:20] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[22:23:37] *** fOB has quit IRC[22:24:46] <axisys> i think it is really a java issue[22:24:51] <axisys> TommyTK: Error: Unabled to load resource: https://192.168.0.25/lib/webadmin.jar[22:25:01] <axisys> javaws rather[22:25:07] <skeeziks> alanc: Looks like rpcsec_gss requires it, and that's provided by system/kernel/secure-rpc.[22:26:33] *** ampex has quit IRC[22:28:33] *** astra-x has quit IRC[22:29:47] *** LukeL_ has joined #opensolaris[22:30:26] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[22:30:40] <RoyK> this was rather nice http://xkcd.com/730/[22:33:32] <TommyTK> axisys: see if you can load that in a browser (or wget)... you may have a problem ON the 5310[22:34:02] <TommyTK> ... otherwise, some weird stuff happens when you use a newer version of java than they were expecting (they are probably expecting 1.4)[22:34:29] *** ampex has joined #opensolaris[22:34:56] <axisys> TommyTK: it is failing with firefox[22:35:04] <axisys> TommyTK: i might have to choose a older java[22:35:09] <axisys> TommyTK: like you are suggesting[22:35:14] <TommyTK> then said file isn't on the NAS box probably[22:35:57] <TommyTK> take a look at the JAR file and see if its loading different resources for different versions of java.. the jar file is probably in /tmp ?[22:37:40] <axisys> iqbala@scrub { /tmp }$ ls -al /tmp/webadmin.jar[22:38:42] <axisys> jar -xvf /tmp/webadmin.jar (extracting to see inside)[22:38:51] *** PrestonConnors has left #opensolaris[22:39:13] <axisys> com/sun/netstorage/nasmgmt everything in here[22:39:29] *** darrenb` has quit IRC[22:39:42] <axisys> iqbala@scrub { ...etstorage/nasmgmt }$ pwd[22:39:42] <axisys> /tmp/com/sun/netstorage/nasmgmt[22:39:42] <axisys> iqbala@scrub { ...etstorage/nasmgmt }$ ls[22:39:42] <axisys> api exception gui i18n rpc util[22:42:06] *** JDuke128 has quit IRC[22:45:09] *** jacotton has joined #opensolaris[22:47:29] *** fleebailey33 is now known as flee[22:52:01] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[22:53:22] *** traianow has quit IRC[22:53:38] <merzo> Guys does anybody have Cisco VPN client? Because I can't find where I can download this free program without fucking agreement or hardware purchase[22:54:56] <CIA-33> Jeff Bonwick <Jeff.Bonwick at Sun dot COM>: 6944833 Avoid prefetching dbufs in dmu_sync() path[22:55:02] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[22:55:33] <Triskelios> merzo: vpnc is a free client, but I haven't tested it. watch the language[22:55:39] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[22:55:40] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:55:42] <andersenep> join #zfs[22:55:43] <axisys> where is the older java webstart ?[22:56:00] <merzo> ok thnx[22:59:29] *** Beket has quit IRC[23:01:37] *** Laidback01 has joined #opensolaris[23:07:26] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[23:07:42] *** LukeL_ has quit IRC[23:14:13] *** Metamucil has quit IRC[23:16:19] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[23:17:10] <axisys> ok so you need older version of java 1.5 or below to access 5310 web interface[23:17:17] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:17:19] <axisys> verified[23:17:29] <axisys> now i need to get that for myself.. where do I find it?[23:18:48] <lewellyn> java.com?[23:21:32] *** robo has quit IRC[23:22:29] <TommyTK> merzo: generally the cisco vpn client download is handled from your employer ;)[23:22:59] <axisys> lewellyn: did not find 1.5 for download.. at least seems not easy to find[23:23:06] <axisys> lewellyn: still looking[23:23:41] <TommyTK> axisys: its called "java 5" in marketing[23:24:27] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[23:24:57] <axisys> lewellyn: got lucky second time[23:25:00] <axisys> TommyTK: thanks[23:25:25] <TommyTK> http://java.sun.com/products/archive/[23:26:05] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:27:16] <axisys> TommyTK: success! java 5 works perfect with this sedona.jnlp[23:27:25] <axisys> java 5's javaws[23:27:44] <TommyTK> woot[23:27:50] <TommyTK> now where is twisti ? :p[23:28:05] *** fleers has quit IRC[23:28:17] *** fleers has joined #opensolaris[23:28:53] <axisys> TommyTK: hehe[23:28:57] <axisys> TommyTK: thanks a lot![23:29:05] <axisys> lewellyn: thanks[23:29:12] *** CoolMa has quit IRC[23:29:23] <TommyTK> axisys: now get out there and buy a 7310 cluter :)[23:29:43] <axisys> TommyTK: we bought a 7410 .. waiting to deploy[23:29:54] <axisys> TommyTK: company moves slow :-([23:30:09] <TommyTK> they are pretty nice[23:30:26] <axisys> TommyTK: i only teased myself w/ the virtual one ;-)[23:30:30] <TommyTK> all web based, no go press this button on the front panel[23:30:38] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[23:30:41] <TommyTK> no javaws :)[23:30:48] <axisys> TommyTK: it has cli access.. but *sshh*[23:30:59] <TommyTK> yes, the CLI is nice for documentation purposes ;)[23:32:03] <TommyTK> http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenIT/Configuring+iSCSI+%28COMSTAR%29+for+xVM+use[23:32:11] <TommyTK> wow %28 :)[23:32:41] *** fleers has quit IRC[23:32:54] *** LukeL_ has joined #opensolaris[23:33:27] <TommyTK> my world was focused on iSCSI then, but its a nice CLI... just dont use "exit" .. its far more of an exit than one would expect :)[23:34:04] <TommyTK> if you configure a lot of switches, exit just goes up one configuration context, in the "fishworks" CLI, it is a "logout" :)[23:34:13] <TommyTK> ... usually followed by curse words[23:34:36] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[23:35:16] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[23:35:35] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:35:49] *** kwinz_ has joined #opensolaris[23:35:55] *** fleers has joined #opensolaris[23:39:08] <TommyTK> smrt: explain dev[23:39:08] <smrt> see "dev repository"[23:39:13] <TommyTK> smrt: explain dev repository[23:39:13] *** Edgeman has joined #opensolaris[23:39:13] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[23:39:52] <TommyTK> thats not in the --help output[23:41:09] *** richb has quit IRC[23:43:22] *** icarus901 has joined #opensolaris[23:43:26] *** LukeL_ has quit IRC[23:43:59] *** icarus901 is now known as stevemaresca[23:46:02] *** melbogia has quit IRC[23:46:19] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[23:46:28] <TommyTK> oh man, I forgot the -v :)[23:47:09] <evalenci> Hi all, im trying to install 200906 onto a system that had solaris on it. When I go through the gui intaller, I get an error about unable to create the rpool: zfs: Couldnt create zfs pool[23:47:41] <TommyTK> evalenci: try clicking on "whole disk" ???[23:47:45] <evalenci> When I do a format on the disk it complains that the disk is part of a svm volume and use metaclear[23:47:56] <lewellyn> TommyTK: lots of things with pkg are underdocumented :P[23:47:57] <evalenci> TommyTK, did that also[23:48:34] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[23:48:46] <evalenci> Also when in the terminal and did a format -e; fdisk; deleted that partion and recreated it, rebooted[23:49:06] <TommyTK> evalenci: I think we need to file a bug if one doesn't already exist, but as a workaround, you could probably do "zpool create -f c4t0d0s0 rpool" (adjusting the c4t0... as necessary)[23:49:51] *** melbogia1 has joined #opensolaris[23:50:07] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[23:51:28] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[23:51:56] <evalenci> TommyTK, let me try that[23:52:38] *** parisholley has quit IRC[23:53:17] *** melbogia has quit IRC[23:53:49] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[23:54:47] <CIA-33> Andrew Balfour <Andrew.Balfour at Sun dot COM>: 6453291 fsck is upset with symlinks that are too big[23:55:33] <TommyTK> we wouldn't want fsck being upset :)[23:56:42] <evalenci> TommyTK, no go on using zpool create -f <poo> <rdev>[23:57:26] <TommyTK> good job, I got those backwards :)[23:57:51] <TommyTK> evalenci: error? still upset about the svm stuff?[23:57:52] <evalenci> Anyway to clean the metadb through the livecd ?[23:58:04] <TommyTK> dd :)[23:58:19] <evalenci> TommyTK, yes still complaining on it, lets try that then =) last resort =)[23:58:37] <TommyTK> dd fixes everything[23:58:48] <Tonnerre> dd stands for death and devastation :>[23:58:53] <TommyTK> yes[23:59:22] <TommyTK> if you wish to cause death and devastation to a disk, use dd, this is what we desire in this case ;)[23:59:50] *** heldchen has quit IRC