April 24, 2010 
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April 24, 2010 [00:00:57] *** paddy has joined #opensolaris[00:01:29] *** rmorse has joined #opensolaris[00:02:44] <stallion_work> lewellyn: probably an actual EFI implementation apart from Apple :D[00:02:55] <lewellyn> intel's shipping efi boards[00:03:11] <lewellyn> i could pick one of those up if you're needing yet another project! ;)[00:03:14] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[00:03:22] <stallion_work> haha[00:03:26] <stallion_work> mercy ;)[00:03:45] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[00:03:46] <lewellyn> i'd love to see efi support[00:03:52] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[00:03:53] <lewellyn> oh also![00:03:55] <lewellyn> vbox does efi![00:04:04] <stallion_work> still experimental though I think[00:04:16] <lewellyn> yeah. they're using a subset of the opensource implementation, i think[00:04:19] <lewellyn> can't install windows on it yet[00:04:23] *** JonathanYC has joined #opensolaris[00:04:25] <JonathanYC> Hello guys :D[00:04:28] <JonathanYC> I have two questions:[00:04:39] <JonathanYC> 1) What do you recommend as an OpenSolaris native alternative to WinSCP or Filezilla and[00:04:50] <lewellyn> 1) Nautilus[00:04:57] <lewellyn> (click "File Browser")[00:05:01] <JonathanYC> 2) Why does my menu.lst file not reflect what I see at the grub bootloader?[00:05:01] <stallion_work> how about good ol' ftp and scp ?[00:05:17] <lewellyn> 2) are you looking at the correct menu.lst?[00:05:19] <JonathanYC> Thanks lewellyn :D stallion_work: I would like a graphical client for file transfer[00:05:24] <lewellyn> stallion_work: he wants a gui :)[00:05:25] *** wrapster has quit IRC[00:05:26] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: I am looking at the one in /boot/grub/menu.lst[00:05:30] <lewellyn> good thing gnome comes with one[00:05:38] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: there should be a comment near the top of that file[00:06:00] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[00:06:03] <JonathanYC> What should it look like?[00:06:09] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[00:06:12] <JonathanYC> The whole thing is commented except for one entry which points to OpenSolaris.[00:06:19] <JonathanYC> I have two Windows partitions that show up on boot but not in the menu.lst[00:07:52] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: there should be a comment mentioning /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst and that you shouldn't edit it directly[00:08:42] <JonathanYC> Oh, haha[00:08:45] <JonathanYC> That slipped past my eyes :/[00:08:51] <JonathanYC> In that case, what should I edit?[00:09:06] <lewellyn> man bootadm :)[00:11:14] *** cmecca has quit IRC[00:11:35] <JonathanYC> Thanks :D[00:14:46] <JonathanYC> Eh, I'm kind of confused.[00:14:53] <JonathanYC> I understand how I could change things like the timeout or the default one,[00:14:57] <JonathanYC> but how should I remove an entry?[00:16:33] *** man_with_a_stick has joined #opensolaris[00:17:00] <lewellyn> delete the be :)[00:17:39] <man_with_a_stick> got an odd question for anyone that knows crossbow[00:18:02] <man_with_a_stick> i can monitor a aggr of 2 physical nics with snmp just fine[00:18:14] <man_with_a_stick> but i cant monitor vnics and a few other things with snmp[00:18:26] <man_with_a_stick> they show up, but return 0[00:18:27] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: The format seems to be like this though" pfexec beadm destroy BE_NAME "[00:18:32] <JonathanYC> However, two of them were assigned the same name :D[00:18:33] <JonathanYC> D:*[00:18:41] <lewellyn> sounds like a bug![00:18:48] * lewellyn goes back to the telephone. sorry :([00:18:54] <JonathanYC> It's fine :D[00:19:04] <JonathanYC> In fact, I bet it's hidden somewhere, waiting for me to find it[00:19:51] <JonathanYC> What! No, apparently you can't 'remove Windows entries with beadm[00:19:51] <man_with_a_stick> JonathanYC: what are you having trouble with?[00:20:07] <JonathanYC> man_with_a_stick: Thanks. I'm trying to remove a faulty windows boot entry (I have two of them)[00:20:27] <JonathanYC> When I do bootadm list-menu, I get something like 0 Opensolaris 1 Windows 2 Windows[00:20:43] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[00:20:44] <JonathanYC> Unfortunatly, I can't seem to remove it with beadm because when listing it only lists OpenSolaris partitions.[00:20:49] <man_with_a_stick> you cant edit the manifest directly?[00:20:55] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:20:59] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[00:21:44] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[00:21:53] *** hajma_ has joined #opensolaris[00:22:34] <man_with_a_stick> is it in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file?[00:22:47] <JonathanYC> No, it isn't.[00:22:57] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[00:23:00] <JonathanYC> In fact, the entry in the menu.lst doesn't match what I see upon bootup.[00:23:21] <man_with_a_stick> try doing pfexec find / -name menu.lst[00:23:29] <Meths> It's /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst[00:23:32] *** rcarcamo has joined #opensolaris[00:24:34] <man_with_a_stick> Meths: ya your right[00:24:43] <man_with_a_stick> i thought id had multiple before[00:24:55] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks guys[00:25:00] <JonathanYC> I think I've fixed it :D[00:26:23] *** niq has quit IRC[00:27:36] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:33:07] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:15] *** dalibor has quit IRC[00:34:25] <man_with_a_stick> anyone familiar with crossbow and snmp?[00:35:41] *** fleers has joined #opensolaris[00:36:26] <Meths> Tried the crossbow mailing list? Doesn't look like anyone who's watching there IRC at the moment is familiar with your issue.[00:37:32] *** alexc has joined #opensolaris[00:37:37] *** fleers1 has quit IRC[00:37:49] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[00:39:57] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[00:40:07] *** fOB has quit IRC[00:44:03] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[00:44:34] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:44:40] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[00:44:42] *** pizdec has quit IRC[00:45:45] *** crichardso has quit IRC[00:47:37] *** snuff-home has joined #opensolaris[00:51:25] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[00:54:54] <CIA-21> Prashanth Sreenivasa <prashanth.sreenivasa at oracle dot com>: 6910795 Use the invariant %stick for sun4v system tick[00:54:55] <CIA-21> Ric Aleshire <Ric.Aleshire at Sun dot COM>: 6935869 getlabel doesn't use mlslabel info for zfs files, 6466890 Getlabel returns admin_low for unshared ZFS mount point under /usr/local in global zone[00:54:57] <CIA-21> Nobutomo Nakano <Nobutomo.Nakano at Sun dot COM>: 6943783 update zoneinfo timezones to 2010i (Argentina, Morocco)[00:57:43] <joshua_> OpenSolaris on SPARC is stable, right?[00:57:57] <joshua_> I just came into possession of a pair of SunFire v240s.[01:03:10] <Triskelios> shouldn't have any problems, though the LOM software might be behind a SunSolve barrier now[01:04:39] <lewellyn> joshua_: use ai or the textinstaller. but yes.[01:04:50] <lewellyn> you lose things like the contrib repo though, atm[01:05:36] <lewellyn> wow. 2010i. in april. at this rate we'll be at z in the first half of the year :P[01:05:56] <joshua_> hmm ok[01:05:59] * lewellyn wonders why zoneinfo changes so much[01:06:12] <joshua_> well, I am currently wgetting s10u8 for SPARC[01:06:32] <Triskelios> I should've mirrored SunSolve for all the hardware I would be likely to own, if I had known[01:06:57] <lewellyn> Triskelios: likewise :P[01:07:06] <lewellyn> though i guess it's not too late, really.[01:08:58] <Hedonista> can someone tell me how to find the location of a USB DISK when it doesnt show up on format[01:09:13] <lewellyn> rmformat[01:09:25] <Hedonista> ok thanks lewellyn[01:09:40] <Triskelios> Hedonista: iostat -En will always work, too[01:10:01] <Hedonista> oh good one Triskelios[01:14:37] *** psychicist has quit IRC[01:15:42] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[01:15:48] *** stewart has quit IRC[01:17:46] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[01:19:19] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[01:19:26] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris[01:19:28] *** jthunder_ has quit IRC[01:19:47] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[01:23:29] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[01:25:26] *** hunter has quit IRC[01:26:32] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[01:27:22] *** gebi has quit IRC[01:28:37] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[01:32:19] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[01:37:46] <JeremyK> so, who should I talk to if I'd like to offer to host a pkg.opensolaris.org mirror?[01:38:03] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[01:38:34] <JeremyK> I figure we use it enough I should help give back, other than just seeding the iso file torrent[01:38:46] <JeremyK> I wish I could give back with code and whatnot, but I'm just not at that level heh[01:39:43] *** wvan has joined #opensolaris[01:40:00] <alexc> do you mean an iso mirror or package mirror?[01:41:16] <Triskelios> JeremyK: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+pkg/Mirroring[01:41:30] <JeremyK> alexc: I'm not against both, I was thinking more a package mirror[01:41:54] <JeremyK> I already seed the x86 iso torrent[01:42:26] <JeremyK> ratio 427.57 :P[01:42:43] <alexc> what kind of server do you have?[01:43:27] <Triskelios> JeremyK: if you have the resources for an "official" mirror, there was someone at pdx.edu asking the same thing yesterday and I suggested pinging pkg-discuss and opensolaris-mirrors as there is no established process for this yet[01:43:35] *** wvan has quit IRC[01:44:32] <JeremyK> well, that machine is pretty crappy, but what I'm going to be upgrading to is a dual core opteron (amd opteron 175 or whatever) with 4 gigs of ram and a mirrored set of 500GB enterprise drives[01:44:42] <JeremyK> Triskelios: resources as far as disk space and bandwidth, we have.[01:45:10] <JeremyK> I'm not even against just putting it online and handing the keys over to someone else to manage (freenode style)[01:45:35] <alexc> what kind of uplink do you have?[01:45:54] <JeremyK> we've got about 20gbit of transit right now[01:45:57] <JeremyK> I think..[01:46:05] <JeremyK> might be 30, something along those lines[01:46:22] <alexc> oh nice[01:46:30] <alexc> that must be pricey[01:46:50] <JeremyK> I dunno, I just run the storage :P[01:49:12] <JeremyK> but yea. especially since I've got about 20 machines I'll be upgrading to 2010.x when it comes out using pkg, I figure I should give back if possible :P[01:49:25] <JeremyK> I'll definitely be running a local mirror, but if it can be official, that's fine with me.[01:49:42] <JeremyK> Triskelios: ok, I'll give that a try, thanks![01:54:58] <CIA-21> Jerry Gilliam <Jerry.Gilliam at Sun dot COM>: 6945125 device node modes are being set to 0[01:55:55] * joshua_ labels one of the new SunFires with "After the Sun sets, darkness envelops the land and all lost souls seek out the Oracle for guidance throuh the time of shadow."[01:56:26] <lewellyn> um. that's not what disk labels are for...[01:56:28] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:57:05] <joshua_> "Why is everything in the lab labeled?" "Because the lab has a labelmaker."[01:57:36] <JeremyK> everything should be labelled anyways[01:57:46] <JeremyK> and stuck into a database somewhere.[01:58:02] <JeremyK> if you're talking about more than half a rack worth of machines anyways[01:58:10] <JeremyK> labels: always. database: more than half a rack :P[01:58:35] <lewellyn> i use my labelmaker even on things i stick in the fridge[01:58:38] <JeremyK> haha[01:58:43] *** fleers has quit IRC[01:58:51] * JeremyK prints out 100 labels saying 'beer' and hands them to lewellyn[01:58:51] <joshua_> JeremyK, they are just a pair of sunfires that showed up in the lab today (retired mail servers) sitting on the floor[01:58:52] <lewellyn> "Pickles. Opened 18 Apr 2010"[01:59:10] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[01:59:11] <JeremyK> nice.[01:59:15] <lewellyn> JeremyK: thanks. but i don't know what to do with those. :P[01:59:50] <JeremyK> lewellyn: step 1) remove lid. step 2) place mouth near lips. step 3) tip bottle back. step 4) enjoy (responsibly)[02:00:45] <JeremyK> I wish I could figure out what's wrong with one of our x4500s. it's actually a frankenstein, one of the SCs died and one of the chassis doesn't work, so we've got a fully dead x4500 (the drives are fine though) sitting on the floor.[02:00:47] <reflect> or not[02:00:49] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[02:01:03] <lewellyn> JeremyK: beer and i don't cooperate[02:01:10] <JeremyK> ah.[02:01:14] <JeremyK> fair enough[02:01:24] <JeremyK> I need some of thos elabels myself anyways[02:01:27] <JeremyK> they wont' go to waste![02:01:37] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[02:01:46] <lewellyn> i have an el-cheapo brother p-touch[02:02:07] <lewellyn> i found the one i want, but i can't justify the expense :D[02:02:20] <JeremyK> the brother p-touch ones are awesome.[02:02:32] <lewellyn> tz tape rocks[02:02:41] <JeremyK> mine doesn't auto-cut which is annoying. I've thought about trying to hack the firmware so it will[02:02:52] <JeremyK> it will cut afterward, but won't cut if you print multiple copies, and won't pre-cut[02:02:53] <alexc> what is a good entry level sparc workstation[02:02:55] <lewellyn> mine doesn't even have an autocutter[02:02:59] <alexc> and by good i mean cheap[02:03:02] <reflect> lewellyn: what about wine or whiskey?[02:03:04] <lewellyn> alexc: none[02:03:15] <alexc> thought so[02:03:20] <lewellyn> reflect: distilled spirits are good[02:03:22] <joshua_> sparcbook[02:03:34] <lewellyn> joshua_: he said cheap[02:03:54] <JeremyK> alexc: http://tinyurl.com/344h7ja[02:04:02] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[02:04:20] <joshua_> wow, I didn't know General Dynamics picked up the sparcbook[02:04:39] <JeremyK> lewellyn: $10.50 on ebay isn't cheap? :P[02:04:41] <JeremyK> http://cgi.ebay.com/General-Dynamics-Laptop-SPARCbook-5000-Tadpole-NR-/280495697916?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item414ed8affc#ht_585wt_1167[02:04:52] <alexc> that guy has an ebay rating of two[02:05:29] <lewellyn> JeremyK: ebay's hating me. is it decent specs?[02:05:40] <JeremyK> lewellyn: no clue. I know nada about sparc[02:05:40] <lewellyn> hahaha. i saw the tinyurl[02:05:44] *** eleusis has quit IRC[02:05:57] <JeremyK> I just put 'sparcstation' and 'sparcbook' into google.[02:06:51] <lewellyn> that sparcbook looks decent. but i doubt it's going to go for anywhere near $10.50[02:07:18] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:07:39] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[02:07:39] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[02:07:46] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:08:29] <JeremyK> rebooting into snv134 hopefully. last time it didn't work :[02:08:45] <joshua_> lewellyn, man, I want that[02:09:01] <lewellyn> joshua_: it won't be fast. but it'll be portable![02:09:13] <JeremyK> and probably really hot?[02:09:56] <lewellyn> no clue[02:09:58] * lewellyn &[02:10:02] <JeremyK> see ya[02:10:04] <alexc> that sparcbook looks awesome[02:10:08] <reflect> there's only one reason to get a sparc book today[02:10:10] *** vasandgvd has joined #opensolaris[02:10:22] <alexc> to look cool?[02:10:32] <reflect> you love odd technology[02:10:41] *** ryoohki has joined #opensolaris[02:10:50] *** corretico has joined #opensolaris[02:10:52] <JeremyK> or you are a linux-sparc developer or something :P[02:11:09] <JeremyK> I guess that would be a subset of "love odd technology"[02:11:12] <richlowe> excercise? or did they ever succeed in making them actually light?[02:11:23] <reflect> still, that would put you in the love old tech categorory :)[02:11:43] * JeremyK wants an itanium laptop[02:12:31] <reflect> are you a US resident, JeremyK?[02:12:41] <JeremyK> yes[02:14:34] <alexc> how much should sun blade 1500 1GHZ be worth?[02:14:39] *** fleyta has joined #opensolaris[02:15:00] <alexc> is $200 too expensive?[02:15:38] <fleyta> Any one has access to jurassic?[02:16:28] <reflect> alexc: that would probably depend on the configuration of said item[02:16:43] *** kobrien has quit IRC[02:17:04] <alexc> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Sun-Blade-1500-UltraSPARC-IIIi-1GHz-Workstation_W0QQitemZ280495777349QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Servers?hash=item414ed9e645[02:17:48] <JeremyK> yay, it made it.[02:18:21] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[02:19:08] <fleyta> Any one has access to jurassic?[02:19:30] *** MattBenjamin has left #opensolaris[02:23:52] <fleyta> gdamore: Are you available?[02:24:16] <reflect> fleyta: to jurassic?[02:24:35] <fleyta> reflect: A machine.[02:25:17] <jbk> one of the big machines all the engineers use[02:25:55] <reflect> a machine that does.. what?[02:26:11] <fleyta> jbk: Do you have access?[02:26:35] <jbk> no[02:26:41] <jbk> i don't work for oracle[02:28:28] <reflect> wow.[02:29:11] *** alexc has quit IRC[02:31:31] *** vasandgvd has left #opensolaris[02:33:53] *** piwi has quit IRC[02:33:57] *** man_with_a_stic1 has joined #opensolaris[02:34:22] *** Norrin has joined #opensolaris[02:36:31] *** man_with_a_stic2 has joined #opensolaris[02:36:35] *** man_with_a_stick has quit IRC[02:36:45] <ottom> fleyta: what kind of access?[02:37:16] <alanc> I was about to ask the same[02:37:20] <fleyta> ottom: ssh access.[02:37:41] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[02:38:07] <ottom> I have that. What do you need?[02:38:09] *** communicator has quit IRC[02:38:37] <ivo_> <alexc>[02:38:51] <ivo_> do you have info on where can I get an old Sun mobile workstation[02:38:55] <ivo_> this were cool[02:38:57] <ivo_> :)[02:39:01] <ivo_> wit SPARC :)[02:39:25] <fleyta> ottom: Could you install http://www.nrubsig.org/people/fleyta/opensolaris/posixcore/opensolaris_ksh20100309_i686_20100424_jbeck1.bz2, please?[02:39:58] <fleyta> ottom: su - to root, cd / ; bzcat <*.bz2 | tar -xvof -[02:40:12] *** man_with_a_stic1 has quit IRC[02:40:21] <ottom> Sorry, I don't have root access on jurassic.[02:40:34] *** andrnils has quit IRC[02:40:42] <ottom> That's why I asked what kind of access. I'm just a peon.[02:40:56] <fleyta> What is a peon?[02:41:24] <ottom> a peasant. I'm just an oridinary user on that system[02:41:52] <fleyta> ottom: The tar ball should fix the stuck mail delivery on that system.[02:42:30] <ottom> sounds great, but I still don't have the privileges to install it.[02:43:36] * alanc also only has normal user access to jurassic, not root privs[02:44:32] <ivo_> is there a reason why a zone is not visible over the network from VirtualBox??[02:45:13] *** andrnils has joined #opensolaris[02:45:44] <ivo_> heh sory my mistake[02:45:47] <ivo_> I just saw it[02:45:48] <ivo_> :)[02:46:39] <ivo_> it is strane the vbox adapter has a different IP from the Windows VM[02:47:33] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[02:47:42] *** rv- has left #opensolaris[02:47:57] *** lewellyn^ has joined #opensolaris[02:47:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn^[02:48:32] *** fleers has joined #opensolaris[02:52:29] *** tg has quit IRC[02:52:40] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[02:54:54] <ivo_> I still don't get it[02:55:01] <ivo_> I can access the global 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IRC[05:06:59] *** xapiens has quit IRC[05:10:43] *** vraa_ has quit IRC[05:11:50] *** system5_ has joined #opensolaris[05:12:18] <system5_> anybody know if that bug that related to ZFS dedupe that was holding up the next major release was fixed yet?[05:15:22] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[05:18:02] <system5_> anybody awake?[05:18:40] <gosx> i'm awake[05:18:43] <gosx> dunno the answer tho sorry[05:18:49] <system5_> ok[05:18:55] <gosx> which issue are you talking about?[05:19:07] <system5_> just had to prove to my friend who is shoulder surfing that #OpenSolaris isn't dead on a Friday night :-)[05:19:11] <gosx> only problems i've heard of are the ones with people using it on systems low on RAM, who wind up with their DDT being swapped[05:20:04] <system5_> yeah, OpenSolaris and low RAM don't mix due to ZFS RAM caching[05:20:18] <gosx> i wouldn't say that[05:20:19] <system5_> I was talking about the bug where you try to zfs destroy a deduped data set and it hangs the system[05:20:26] <Triskelios> system5_: if you mean 6909931, that was fixed more than a week ago, so it's likely to have been backported to 134a[05:21:12] <system5_> thanks Triskelios[05:21:29] <system5_> OpenSolaris 2009.05 should be ready to roll soon then[05:21:33] <system5_> err[05:21:50] <system5_> | sed 's/2009.05/2010/05/g'[05:22:05] <system5_> errr[05:22:12] <system5_> 's/2009.05/2010.05/g'[05:22:20] <system5_> I'm making lots of typos today[05:22:27] <system5_> maybe something with dot being a meta-character[05:22:38] <Triskelios> I doubt that's the only technical reason for the delay[05:22:57] <system5_> good point[05:26:01] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[05:27:30] <alanc> I think ON took in around 40 bug backports for 134a[05:27:34] *** FattyAcid has quit IRC[05:28:15] <Macer> heh[05:28:19] <ivo_> hopefully the will be fixed in dev too[05:28:25] <Macer> never!![05:28:27] <Macer> :)[05:28:41] <ivo_> Macer?[05:28:46] <alanc> backports as in bugs that were already fixed in later builds being brought back to 134a[05:28:48] <Triskelios> ivo_: backports, are by definition already fixed[05:29:05] <Macer> SunOS alicia 5.11 snv_131 i86pc i386 i86pc[05:29:15] <Macer> i'm still on 131 because i didn't feel like fixing all the problems with newer versions[05:29:24] <Triskelios> alanc: are you allowed to say if 134a has closed?[05:29:29] <Macer> maybe i'll get around to it later on in life but 131 seems just fine[05:29:56] <alanc> I think so, since comay's push of the packaging changes went to pkg-discuss today[05:30:23] <alanc> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/pkg-discuss/2010-April/022384.html[05:32:32] <ivo_> so can we expect it next week?[05:32:36] <alanc> no[05:32:56] *** psyvenrix has joined #opensolaris[05:32:57] <ivo_> what do you meen than by soon[05:33:06] <alanc> I never said soon[05:33:31] <ivo_> hmm[05:33:33] * Triskelios fully expects 134b[05:34:20] <alanc> I expect internal testing to start sometime next week, unless RE has a problem building the ISO's and repo's from all the bits, but don't know when it will go external[05:34:20] <ivo_> I think the next dev will be 140[05:34:23] <ivo_> :D[05:35:56] <ivo_> here what python thinks:[05:35:57] <ivo_> >>> 140 or 134[05:35:57] <ivo_> 140[05:36:16] <ivo_> :D[05:36:49] <alanc> besides building 134a, they also have to build the 2009.06 backport of the pkg fixes needed for pkg image-update from 2009.06 to 2010.whatever to work correctly, so you don't need the 50 steps currently in the /dev release notes[05:37:29] <alanc> like the "fix ptmx permissions" fix[05:37:53] <ivo_> so you think when I update from 134 to 140[05:38:01] <ivo_> I'LL have to do this 50 steps?[05:40:02] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[05:41:15] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:41:26] <ivo_> I go to sleep now[05:41:29] <ivo_> good night[05:41:45] <ivo_> kater have to code Java :)[05:41:50] <ivo_> later have to code Java :)[05:42:41] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[05:43:53] <psyvenrix> Are there any command line tools to list physical memory allocation to the hardware device for stuff like dma ?[05:47:30] <Triskelios> psyvenrix: prtconf -v and scanpci -v[05:52:00] <psyvenrix> Triskelios: awesome, just what i needed, thank you![05:52:20] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:04:37] *** chendy has quit IRC[06:05:25] *** Tekwar has joined #opensolaris[06:05:38] <JonathanYC> Hi :D[06:05:48] <JonathanYC> I have an Iomega USB HD which I just plugged into my opensolaris computer.[06:05:55] <JonathanYC> Unfortunately, it is not recognized by OpenSolaris.[06:06:03] <JonathanYC> Does anyone have any ideas for troubleshooting that I can try?[06:07:05] *** corretico_ has joined #opensolaris[06:07:32] *** Aria has left #opensolaris[06:09:31] *** JonathanYC has quit IRC[06:10:43] *** corretico has quit IRC[06:12:26] *** icarus902 has joined #opensolaris[06:17:47] *** MrWGW has joined #opensolaris[06:17:52] <MrWGW> good evening[06:19:48] *** Wild_Geese has quit IRC[06:20:03] *** projectmoon has left #opensolaris[06:21:55] *** 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has joined #opensolaris[06:43:06] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[06:45:52] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[06:46:40] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris[06:48:10] *** JonathanYC has joined #opensolaris[06:48:13] <JonathanYC> Hello :D[06:48:19] <JonathanYC> Is there any way to shrink a ZFS partition?[06:48:35] <JonathanYC> I can't do so in GParted because GParted doesn't know what the partition is :/[06:48:49] <bdrewery_> not directly[06:49:52] <JonathanYC> bdrewery_: In that case, how should I?[06:50:50] <JonathanYC> Do I need to backup the whloe partition, delete it, then make a new one?[06:50:56] <Triskelios> backup + restore is the only way. you didn't hang around long enough for me to answer your previous question[06:50:59] <JonathanYC> Beause that would be most inconvenient :/[06:51:06] <JonathanYC> Triskelios: Haha, sorry :D[06:51:09] <JonathanYC> Oh[06:51:14] <JonathanYC> That's too bad[06:51:31] <JonathanYC> Well, if you have an answer to my previous question I might not need to resize it[06:51:50] <JonathanYC> Sorry for leaving all the time (I had to restart to go into Windows)[06:52:21] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: why do you want to resize it?[06:52:42] <JonathanYC> I want to create a FAT partition that Windows and OpenSolaris can share (for data)[06:53:17] <alanc> the internal evaluation of 6924824 says part of the problem should be fixed by 6922161[06:53:22] <bdrewery_> can you VM the windows machine in opensolaris?[06:53:41] *** Wild_Geese has joined #opensolaris[06:53:58] *** noyb has quit IRC[06:54:16] <JonathanYC> bdrewery_: I could, but that would also be kind of inconvenient, as I have a lot of important files on there.[06:54:21] <JonathanYC> It could be done though[06:54:32] <JonathanYC> I'm just afraid that Microsoft might get suspicious :D[06:55:07] <Triskelios> smrt: explain ntfs[06:55:08] <smrt> Read/write is supported via FUSE and NTFS-3G. FUSE is still beta, but http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=513 has an example for installing NTFS-3G. SFEntfs-3g is also available in SFE. You will need to install SUNWfusefs/SUNWlibfuse first, regardless. (See also: spec-files-extra) , fuse[06:55:28] <JonathanYC> I'll try that, thanks :D[06:55:37] <JonathanYC> But do you have any idea as to why the USB HD wasn't working?[06:57:38] <JonathanYC> It is formatted with FAT[06:58:55] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[06:59:11] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[06:59:16] <Triskelios> my first suspect was also the filesystem, but in that case not really. cfgadm and iostat -En/rmformat -l would show if the device itself is working[07:00:05] *** man_with_a_stick has quit IRC[07:00:41] <JonathanYC> Triskelios: The strange thing is that I rebooted into Windows and it worked flawlessly[07:00:44] <JonathanYC> I will try that command though[07:01:01] *** man_with_a_stick has joined #opensolaris[07:01:48] <JonathanYC> Erm, iostat -En yields a "Illegal request: 23" error[07:02:54] *** bitvector2 has joined #opensolaris[07:03:16] <Triskelios> wtf? that's a new one[07:03:44] <JonathanYC> Not the command itself,[07:03:49] <JonathanYC> but in the listing of the device :D[07:03:55] <JonathanYC> (just to clarify)[07:04:56] *** man_with_a_stick has left #opensolaris[07:05:02] <Triskelios> oh, okay. that's pretty common with USB disks. the device size is correctly reported there?[07:06:00] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[07:06:09] <joshua_> what was the name of the feature that volume shrinking / vdev removal was blocking on[07:06:09] <joshua_> ?[07:06:23] <Triskelios> block pointer rewrite[07:06:30] <JonathanYC> Triskelios: I believe so[07:06:39] <JonathanYC> As I remember it to be around 80 GB, and it reports that[07:06:52] <joshua_> bprewrite, yeah[07:07:56] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: okay, see what rmmount reports as an error when you try it[07:08:02] *** swift has quit IRC[07:08:08] *** swift_ is now known as swift[07:10:55] <JonathanYC> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\[07:12:04] *** JonathanYC_ has joined #opensolaris[07:12:08] <JonathanYC_> Sorry, my computer froze.[07:12:22] <JonathanYC_> Triskelios: Erm, what device should I tell rmmount to mount?[07:12:40] <JonathanYC_> I don't know the specific location[07:12:46] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: rmmount -l should list what's available[07:13:08] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: freezing is a bad sign...[07:14:56] <JonathanYC_> Haha, it was a different computer, running Windows Vista[07:15:10] <JonathanYC_> Unfortunately, rmmount -l returns nothing[07:16:16] *** JonathanYC has quit IRC[07:16:22] *** JonathanYC_ is now known as JonathanYC[07:17:44] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: you are logged in locally, I assume? (only the desktop user has access to removable media)[07:18:24] <JonathanYC> Yep[07:19:03] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[07:20:48] <JonathanYC> BTW, I have been trying to install ntfs-3g based on the guide you sent[07:21:05] <JonathanYC> I have reached the point where I am supposed to pfexec make install, but I get this error:[07:21:15] <JonathanYC> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install-recursive'[07:21:42] <JonathanYC> I understand if I'm stressing you (sorry for my inexperience with opensolaris :D)[07:22:39] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: this is after extracting and trying to compile ntfs-3g itself?[07:22:50] <JonathanYC> Yep[07:23:04] <JonathanYC> I had to change the wget target, of course, to the newer version[07:23:18] <JonathanYC> I extracted it to the directory, had to go into the directory (unlike what the guide said)[07:23:22] <JonathanYC> then did everything to the letter[07:23:56] <Triskelios> oh, the newer version doesn't build without patches[07:24:02] <JonathanYC> agh[07:24:09] <JonathanYC> Is it possible to obtain the older version?[07:25:18] <Triskelios> yes. I've packaged the newer one so I happen to have a binary around[07:25:29] <Triskelios> http://trisk.deadgerbil.com/fuse/SFEntfs-3g-2010.3.6.i386.pkg[07:25:47] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks :D[07:25:52] <JonathanYC> So I can just substitute that?[07:26:28] <Triskelios> that's precompiled, so just pkgadd it as with the others...[07:26:57] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks :D[07:27:27] <JonathanYC> so pfexec /usr/sbin/pkgadd -d packages (package name here) right?[07:28:16] <Triskelios> just -d <filename>, package name is actually optional since it'll prompt you[07:28:17] <JonathanYC> Oops, nevermind, not that[07:28:20] <JonathanYC> Yep thanks :D[07:28:39] <JonathanYC> So after installing that it is complete?[07:28:58] <JonathanYC> Do I need to restart, or do something else?[07:30:26] <Triskelios> it should be working already (you can check modinfo | grep fuse to see if the driver is loaded)[07:30:50] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[07:31:20] <JonathanYC> modinfo: Command not found[07:32:20] <Triskelios> hm, /usr/sbin/modinfo[07:32:22] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[07:35:27] <JonathanYC> Yep, it outputs on the right hand column fuse (fuse driver) and fuse (filesystem for fuse)[07:35:31] <JonathanYC> So I assume it is working :D[07:35:44] <JonathanYC> The problem is that the "format" command mentioned in the tutorial does not work either[07:36:47] *** gebi has quit IRC[07:37:16] *** psyvenrix has left #opensolaris[07:38:36] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: I think format ignores removable devices without -e[07:39:01] *** stewart has quit IRC[07:39:56] <JonathanYC> Apparently I need to prefix /usr/sbin/ to everything[07:40:00] <JonathanYC> should I add that to my path?[07:40:17] <JonathanYC> (I remember seeing that somewhere, is there a recommended way of doing it?)[07:40:40] <JonathanYC> Yea, Triskelios I see a bunch of disks but I am not sure which[07:41:10] <Triskelios> I thought it was in the default path, I don't recall changing it on this system...[07:41:38] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: compare with the name given by iostat, perhaps[07:42:20] <JonathanYC> Sorry, how exactly am I to use iostat?[07:42:28] <JonathanYC> Using it without flags seems to just cause it to output system info[07:42:32] <JonathanYC> such as CPU, RAM[07:42:52] <Triskelios> iostat -En[07:44:30] <JonathanYC> Erm, I'm still not sure how to find out the disk number :([07:44:35] <JonathanYC> Thanks for continuing to help me[07:44:35] <JonathanYC> http://pastie.org/932682[07:44:41] <JonathanYC> ^ That is the paste[07:46:08] <JonathanYC> It is the one with 85GB or something around there[07:46:44] <Triskelios> the name, as far as applications are concerned, is c7t0d0[07:47:11] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks. I'll try to find out how you got that :D[07:47:34] <JonathanYC> Oh, it's that little non-titled thing[07:47:36] <JonathanYC> Haha[07:47:39] <JonathanYC> Thanks[07:48:47] <JonathanYC> A side question - how do I add /usr/sbin to the path[07:50:01] <JonathanYC> Sorry for all of these questions, but I also am having a problem with the format tool :/[07:50:11] <JonathanYC> He says: "then enter fdisk, and you will see something like:"[07:50:24] <JonathanYC> However, I get something about no solaris partitions being found[07:51:46] <Triskelios> that's okay... it should still list at least one partition[07:52:23] <JonathanYC> It doesn't list anything but three errors :([07:52:33] <JonathanYC> sh: line 1: fdisk: not found[07:52:34] <JonathanYC> Solaris fdisk partition not found[07:52:34] <JonathanYC> No fdisk solaris partition found[07:52:46] <Triskelios> oh, it's PATH again[07:53:06] <Triskelios> PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin; export PATH[07:53:11] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks[07:53:34] <Triskelios> you can set PATH globally in /etc/default/login, but it hasn't been an issue for regular desktop logins presumably because part of the session setup handles it[07:53:44] <JonathanYC> Ah, now it works :D[07:55:05] <JonathanYC> Oh no :([07:55:07] <JonathanYC> jonathan@jcopensol:~/fusefs/kernel$ pfexec ntfs-3g /dev/dsk/c7t0d0p1 /mnt/windows/[07:55:07] <JonathanYC> ld.so.1: ntfs-3g: fatal: libfuse.so.1: open failed: No such file or directory[07:55:07] <JonathanYC> Killed[07:56:46] <Triskelios> um, was SUNWlibfuse installed properly?[07:57:53] <JonathanYC> Yep, it returned no errors[08:01:26] <Triskelios> okay, looks like my package was built against an earlier version of that, so it needs to be rebuilt...[08:01:33] <madwizard> coffee[08:05:11] *** ROKO__ has quit IRC[08:05:15] <JonathanYC> Triskelios: In that case, what do you recommend?[08:06:53] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[08:09:32] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: actually, looks like patching the current version of ntfs-3g isn't strictly necessary: try FUSE_MODULE_CFLAGS="-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/fuse" export FUSE_MODULE_LIBS="-pthread -lfuse" ./configure <other options> --with-fuse=external[08:09:34] <Triskelios> err[08:09:46] *** gosx has quit IRC[08:09:54] <Triskelios> FUSE_MODULE_CFLAGS="-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/fuse" FUSE_MODULE_LIBS="-pthread -lfuse" ./configure <other options> --with-fuse=external[08:10:10] <JonathanYC> Are those three seperate commands?[08:10:13] <JonathanYC> separate*[08:10:14] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: and pkgrm SFEntfs-3g[08:10:19] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: no, just one[08:10:25] <JonathanYC> OK.[08:10:31] <JonathanYC> So add pkgrm SFEntfs-3g to the end?[08:10:53] <Triskelios> that one is separate, to remove the package you just installed[08:10:59] <JonathanYC> oh, ok.[08:11:04] <JonathanYC> So I assume it goes before the rest :D[08:12:07] <JonathanYC> Oh dear[08:12:11] <JonathanYC> Same recursive error[08:15:34] *** gosx has joined #opensolaris[08:17:24] <Triskelios> strange, can you paste the exact command you used for configure?[08:18:23] <JonathanYC> FUSE_MODULE_CFLAGS="-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/fuse" FUSE_MODULE_LIBS="-pthread -lfuse" ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-fuse=external[08:27:11] <Triskelios> that looks okay. can you pastebin the preceding several lines from make? the actual error message is there...[08:27:51] <Triskelios> preceding the "make: Fatal error"[08:28:17] <JonathanYC> hopefully this is enough: http://pastie.org/932704[08:28:58] <JonathanYC> wait a second.[08:29:03] <JonathanYC> wait, nevermind[08:29:07] <JonathanYC> I was just confused for a second[08:29:18] <JonathanYC> Yep that is it[08:29:46] *** gjl has quit IRC[08:33:48] <Triskelios> guessing it's happening earlier still (might save time to just follow http://pkgbuild.wiki.sourceforge.net/pkgbuild+on+OpenSolaris to build the SFEntfs-3g package yourself, this also gives you access to other software not available as binaries)[08:34:22] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks[08:35:11] <JonathanYC> Well, good night[08:35:15] <JonathanYC> Thanks for all of your help[08:35:19] <JonathanYC> OpenSolaris sure is confusing :/[08:35:28] <JonathanYC> Without you I don't know how I could possibly servive ;D[08:35:30] <JonathanYC> survive*[08:35:31] <JonathanYC> haha[08:35:40] *** JonathanYC has quit IRC[08:55:34] *** evilturtle has joined #opensolaris[08:57:49] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:59:37] *** ku0n has joined #opensolaris[08:59:59] *** ku0n has quit IRC[09:01:06] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[09:02:52] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[09:06:51] *** gjl has joined #opensolaris[09:09:15] *** FattyAcid has joined #opensolaris[09:18:17] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[09:24:58] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[09:48:09] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[09:51:07] *** man_with_a_stick has joined #opensolaris[09:51:23] *** lo3Viej has joined #opensolaris[09:51:30] <man_with_a_stick> anyone familiar with crossbow?[09:51:38] *** lo3Viej has quit IRC[09:52:40] *** lo3Viej has joined #opensolaris[09:55:30] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris[09:58:34] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[09:59:18] *** swift__ has joined #opensolaris[09:59:48] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[09:59:51] *** swift has quit IRC[10:00:09] *** swift__ is now known as swift[10:00:50] <WebDawg> w00t[10:00:58] <WebDawg> opensolaris up and running.[10:01:02] <WebDawg> brb[10:03:18] *** swift_ has quit IRC[10:04:50] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:05:02] *** dalibor has quit IRC[10:06:40] *** estibi has quit IRC[10:07:56] <WebDawg> Hrm.[10:08:33] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[10:09:57] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:16:21] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[10:21:12] <kohju> lewellyn, are you here?[10:22:34] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[10:22:37] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[10:22:49] <WebDawg> Hmm. I have 2 TB drives. Can't I have 2 other 250 gig drives for parity in zfs or something?[10:22:56] <oninoshiko> man_with_a_stick: somewhat[10:27:52] <man_with_a_stick> i have a vnic over an aggr[10:28:04] <man_with_a_stick> when i first create it everything is fine[10:28:22] <man_with_a_stick> when i reboot the server and ping it, it creates duplicate packets[10:28:31] <man_with_a_stick> any ideas why?[10:29:18] <WebDawg> hehe[10:29:24] <WebDawg> I found your post man_with_a_stick[10:29:25] <WebDawg> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=476843&tstart=0[10:29:47] <man_with_a_stick> ha, yea[10:29:57] <man_with_a_stick> been pulling my hair out[10:30:59] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[10:31:10] <WebDawg> You read this?: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=387106[10:31:30] <man_with_a_stick> ya[10:31:36] <man_with_a_stick> doesnt really have a solution[10:31:41] <WebDawg> Figures :/[10:31:56] <WebDawg> It said something about version. Do you have a different version?[10:32:06] <man_with_a_stick> im running 134[10:32:16] <WebDawg> I tried duplicating this on a v210, using bge1 and bge2, and was not[10:32:16] <WebDawg> able to do so with 113[10:32:19] <WebDawg> hrm.[10:32:26] <man_with_a_stick> same thing happens on 129 too[10:33:41] <WebDawg> I can't help any further :/[10:33:52] <man_with_a_stick> thanks anyways[10:34:57] <WebDawg> Results 1 - 10 of about 4,010 for aggr vnic duplicate packet[10:35:07] <WebDawg> I would find that guys bug report.[10:35:15] <WebDawg> Maby google hasn't indexed it yet.[10:35:51] <WebDawg> wow[10:35:55] <WebDawg> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6850738[10:36:00] <WebDawg> State 2-Incomplete:Need More Info (Not enough information)[10:36:14] <WebDawg> Looks like he should have went back...edited the post and added that forum post.[10:37:12] <WebDawg> Im out.[10:37:17] <WebDawg> zZzZ time.[10:49:43] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[10:49:53] *** _madmax_ has left #opensolaris[10:50:39] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[10:54:38] *** mikaeld has quit IRC[10:54:53] *** mikaeld has joined #opensolaris[10:58:19] *** rv- has quit IRC[10:58:27] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[11:01:51] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[11:02:30] *** swift has quit IRC[11:03:10] *** ROKO__ has joined #opensolaris[11:08:24] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[11:13:03] *** FattyAcid has quit IRC[11:20:35] *** Goliath has joined #opensolaris[11:21:54] *** Goliath has quit IRC[11:27:31] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[11:29:26] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[11:31:10] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[11:43:14] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[11:46:43] *** dalibor has quit IRC[11:48:23] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[11:50:00] *** lblume1 has joined #opensolaris[11:50:42] <lblume1> lewellyn: 乒？[11:50:59] *** lo3Viej has quit IRC[11:53:35] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:05:46] <mrp> how do i get zfs-auto-scrub working[12:05:58] <mrp> i ahve a svc setup and running but its doesn't run on scehdile[12:06:00] <mrp> schedule[12:06:14] <mrp> online 17:55:37 svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-scrub:rpool-weekly[12:06:57] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[12:07:14] <mrp> i restarted it /t[12:08:41] <mrp> http://pastie.org/932797[12:08:45] <mrp> thats the svc log output[12:08:52] *** Wild_Geese has quit IRC[12:08:53] <mrp> it doesn't seem to be checking very 7 days.[12:13:11] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[12:15:20] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[12:18:53] <CosmicDJ> mrp: is your machine running 24/7?[12:19:50] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[12:24:52] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[12:28:22] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[12:29:04] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[12:49:53] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[12:53:22] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:57:06] <mrp> CosmicDJ: yes[12:58:26] <mrp> CosmicDJ: oh i see[12:58:46] <mrp> nathan@zoot:~$ uptime 19:02pm up 5 days 22:18, 3 users, load average: 1.14, 1.20, 1.13[12:59:03] <mrp> so it should scrub this time next week[12:59:07] <mrp> because i just scrubed it[13:01:34] <CosmicDJ> depends... your pastie showed smth about a cronjob...[13:02:47] <mrp> 0 0 1,8,15,22,29 * * /lib/svc/method/zfs-auto-scrub svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-scrub:rpool-weekly[13:02:54] <mrp> thats in crontab -e zfsscrub[13:05:59] <CosmicDJ> see ;)[13:06:28] *** markus__ has joined #opensolaris[13:07:44] *** markus__ is now known as m4rku5[13:08:57] *** bitvector2 has quit IRC[13:10:36] *** bitvector2 has joined #opensolaris[13:12:17] *** dalibor has quit IRC[13:13:54] *** msbhvn has quit IRC[13:20:22] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[13:20:25] *** Wild_Geese has joined #opensolaris[13:23:13] <RoyK> nice - 134a tagged :)[13:26:54] <nikolam> uu, reely robinbowes ;)[13:27:40] <nikolam> I am thinking .. Weither to update from 131 to it as usual.. or to update from 111b to it when it comes, hmm[13:27:49] *** leito has quit IRC[13:28:17] <nikolam> Eather way, i mostly found no easy was to include myself in anything beyond watching IPS releases.[13:28:24] <nikolam> way[13:28:57] <Meths> benr is in here occasionally, right?[13:29:46] *** hsp has quit IRC[13:30:41] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[13:32:43] *** hsp has quit IRC[13:33:20] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[13:35:10] <nikolam> I personally seen him joining in December last time. but that might not be true. Meths[13:36:01] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[13:36:24] <nikolam> ok, that was wrong info. like march 24/25 2010 last time.[13:37:11] <nikolam> this gedit have backward search switch :). So yes he does. Meths[13:38:20] <Meths> Thanks.[13:41:10] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[13:45:46] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[13:48:16] *** hsp has quit IRC[13:48:54] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[13:51:04] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[13:55:26] <nikolam> Hm: "Solaris' GRUB bootloader does not recognize extended partition."[13:55:54] <nikolam> Meaning i can not chainload other system on extended pertition from Opensolaris Grub??[13:56:27] *** leito has quit IRC[13:56:56] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[13:57:13] <nikolam> All solutions i see with adding Linux to existing Opensolaris box, take over Grub by Linux. Not the other way around[13:58:55] *** robinbowes has joined #opensolaris[13:58:58] *** omry has quit IRC[14:00:07] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[14:00:33] *** Garen has quit IRC[14:01:04] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[14:01:40] *** omry has joined #opensolaris[14:03:47] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[14:06:39] *** emptyness47 has quit IRC[14:07:12] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[14:07:48] *** emptyness47 has joined #opensolaris[14:10:45] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[14:11:10] *** rmorse has joined #opensolaris[14:15:08] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[14:20:30] <Spencer_tt> I'm looking at using OpenSolaris as desktop operating and running Linux on Xen in OpenSolaris, in a few weeks or months - for now I'll have to live with vbox in Linux till I use 2010.03 on metal - the power management counts maybe that will be something to look at once it's out.[14:23:05] <Spencer_tt> sanding time.[14:24:25] *** leito has quit IRC[14:24:31] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[14:26:31] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[14:34:57] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[14:37:44] *** batschul has joined #opensolaris[14:38:59] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[14:39:18] *** LotusBleu has joined #opensolaris[14:39:31] <LotusBleu> hi[14:39:57] <RoyK> anyone here using fail2ban on osol?[14:41:43] <LotusBleu> don't need to use fail2ban use max-con rules in you firewall RoyK[14:42:20] <RoyK> LotusBleu: that wasn't the answer to the question :)[14:43:11] <RoyK> in larger environments, you might want to secure each machine[14:43:36] <asyd> LotusBleu: not the same thing[14:43:58] <LotusBleu> so get a real firewall RoyK ? ;)[14:44:34] <LotusBleu> yeah asyd fail2ban is a linux peace of shit IMHO[14:44:46] <RoyK> LotusBleu: it's not a "linux thing"[14:44:51] <RoyK> just a python thing[14:44:59] <asyd> LotusBleu: it's another story :)[14:44:59] <RoyK> and it works fenonomenally well[14:45:26] <LotusBleu> with fail2ban a malicious user can cut your network easyly from various subnets[14:45:42] <RoyK> how?[14:46:03] <RoyK> fail2ban just blocks, say, port 22 from x.x.x.x in xx minutes[14:46:09] <LotusBleu> If I flood you from a poofed ip you will ban it ?[14:46:21] <RoyK> how do you spoof tcp?[14:46:42] <RoyK> ack/synack -> ack/synack is rather hard to spoof[14:47:13] <LotusBleu> can forge packets, but your right no ack[14:47:15] <RoyK> even worse, you'll have to spoof the entire ssh login process[14:47:25] <LotusBleu> fail2ban is statefull ?[14:47:26] <RoyK> fail2ban relies on logs[14:47:33] <RoyK> log parsing[14:47:37] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[14:47:52] <LotusBleu> haaa ok[14:47:55] <RoyK> that's what's so simple and nice about it[14:48:06] *** engrxyz has quit IRC[14:48:22] <LotusBleu> ha ok I ver thought is was relying on iptables[14:48:38] <RoyK> no, it uses iptables or ipf or ipt or something to block IPs[14:49:54] <LotusBleu> thanks for this clarification[14:50:30] <LotusBleu> RoyK,[14:50:50] <RoyK> :)[14:51:56][14:52:22] <RoyK> you can use fail2ban to block any service that logs, really[14:52:27] <RoyK> it's just text parsing[14:53:17] <LotusBleu> Is the community of osol is strong enought ? Is osol will be open source in short future ?[14:53:34] <RoyK> LotusBleu: most of osol is OSS already[14:53:38] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, it will be open source but as far as I know there's no release engineering[14:54:18] <Tonnerre> Apart from the «Try to put out HEAD releases which work»[14:54:22] <RoyK> I guess if the oracle were to attempt a shutdown on osol, it'll fork faster than you can tell[14:55:02] <Tonnerre> RoyK, I wonder what it would be called then. NetSolaris? ;)[14:55:20] <RoyK> Oralis?[14:55:22] <RoyK> :D[14:55:25] <LotusBleu> so you are confident in the osol future ? ;)[14:55:58] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, that yes, but I'm insufficiently confident to use it on production servers[14:56:39] <LotusBleu> interesting Tonnerre[14:56:59] <LotusBleu> you'll turn on OSS for that ?[14:57:16] <Tonnerre> Because for that I want a stable release with security updates, which I've been told isn't available[14:57:39] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, I mostly run NetBSD stable and then some CentOS[14:57:52] <Tonnerre> But CentOS is only one box and one VM[14:58:11] <LotusBleu> is there a xen dom0 on netbsd ?[15:00:12] * RoyK prefers ubuntu over any RedHatish distros[15:01:15] * LotusBleu prefers freebsd for servers, openbsd for firewalls, debian for linuxes, and ??? fom xen[15:01:59] * RoyK prefers windows in the closet[15:02:09] <LotusBleu> ^[15:03:19] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, yes, there is[15:03:49] <Tonnerre> RoyK, I don't want Ubuntu at all on a server, especially since they typically wait 3-6 monthes before releasing security updates[15:04:25] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, I had to realize OpenBSD's openbgpd isn't suitable for production routers yet[15:05:04] <Tonnerre> Also, I should add that production means private production[15:05:18] <Tonnerre> What my company uses is confidential[15:05:38] <LotusBleu> Tonnerre, as firewall it's rocks I've setted some clusters of obsd firewalls in 10Gbps environements ;)[15:06:15] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, well, you want redundancy, so you use carp, and then you ifconfig and watch both routers panic simultaneously[15:06:56] <LotusBleu> not here Tonnerre :) carp rocks :)[15:07:16] <LotusBleu> amd64 or smp Tonnerre ?[15:07:26] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, smp[15:07:33] <Tonnerre> No amd64[15:07:42] <LotusBleu> remove smp Tonnerre useless for pf ;)[15:07:59] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, if I do that my bgpd will be even more slow as hell[15:08:11] <Tonnerre> But I switched to Juniper J2350 as private firewalls anyway[15:08:35] <LotusBleu> sure for bgpd it's not on obsd[15:08:39] <Tonnerre> It's FreeBSD too so what the hell[15:08:54] <RoyK> Tonnerre: huh? can you cite a source on that one?[15:09:08] <Tonnerre> RoyK, for what?[15:09:35] <RoyK> [15:09] <Tonnerre> RoyK, I don't want Ubuntu at all on a server, especially since they typically wait 3-6 monthes before releasing security updates[15:10:22] <Tonnerre> RoyK, compare the advisory release times to the CVE release times[15:11:08] <Tonnerre> RoyK, most of the time you'll find a huge delay[15:13:09] <LotusBleu> anyway there is huges holes in tux ;)[15:13:38] <Tonnerre> LotusBleu, actually, if you run RHEL you're pretty much on the safe side[15:14:14] <Tonnerre> In my old company, customers running Ubuntu servers regularly got owned[15:14:30] <RoyK> it's interesting, though, I haven't had a security breach on any server under my control since, what, 1998?[15:14:31] <LotusBleu> huhu funny Tonnerre[15:14:37] <tsoome> it cant be! linux is most secure os in world![15:14:49] <LotusBleu> lol tsoome[15:16:10] <tsoome> RoyK: maybe they are that clever?;)[15:16:15] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[15:21:05] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[15:23:23] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[15:29:25] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:33:14] *** eleusis has quit IRC[15:33:49] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[15:33:49] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[15:34:15] *** chendy has quit IRC[15:40:46] *** bklang has quit IRC[15:46:57] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[15:49:26] *** TomJ has quit IRC[15:57:17] *** eleusis has quit IRC[15:58:04] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[16:04:13] *** nickw has quit IRC[16:08:27] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[16:10:11] *** eleusis has quit IRC[16:10:25] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[16:10:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[16:10:57] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[16:11:43] *** xulfer has quit IRC[16:12:10] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[16:12:10] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[16:16:29] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[16:18:53] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[16:20:02] *** xulfer has joined #opensolaris[16:27:00] *** lblume1 has quit IRC[16:28:15] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[16:28:33] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[16:28:47] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC[16:30:37] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[16:31:24] *** bengtf has quit IRC[16:33:02] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[16:35:23] *** xulfer has quit IRC[16:36:18] *** Aria has quit IRC[16:36:20] *** xulfer has joined #opensolaris[16:37:58] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[16:39:27] *** nickw has joined #opensolaris[16:42:53] *** xulfer has quit IRC[16:44:37] *** icarus902 has quit IRC[16:46:38] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris[16:47:45] *** Niosop has joined #opensolaris[16:50:01] <Niosop> I'm having a problem with a fairly heavily loaded 2009.06 box that just looses network connectivity occasionally. Usually it's just for a minute, but can be for up to 30 minutes. dladm still show the link as up, but no traffic goes in or out. Anyone seen something similiar and have any ideas?[16:50:01] *** leito has quit IRC[16:51:49] *** nics has joined #opensolaris[16:52:52] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[16:54:27] <RoyK> Niosop: nope, but it smells like a bad driver[16:54:28] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[16:54:41] <RoyK> or bad hardware...[16:55:12] <RoyK> which driver?[16:55:31] <Niosop> Was originally using bnx, but installed an intel (e1000g). Switching to the intel fixed a problem w/ panics in the ip module, but not with the network unresponsiveness.[16:55:32] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[16:56:02] <RoyK> strange - I thought e1000g was pretty stable[16:56:27] <Tonnerre> Except when it's not[16:56:46] <Niosop> Yeah, I have other machines using e1000g and they pretty solid. But they're not under as much load as this one.[16:56:56] <RoyK> Tonnerre: do you have any experience with the e1000g not being stable?[16:57:46] *** dalibor has quit IRC[16:58:55] *** LotusBleu has left #opensolaris[16:59:11] <Niosop> I did have to disable checksumming and LSO on the card to get it to perform correctly, but after that it normally does great.[16:59:35] <Niosop> Doesn't seem to be too load dependant, it'll happen whether it's handling 300 requests/sec or during less busy times when it's only doing 60 or so[16:59:53] *** xulfer has joined #opensolaris[16:59:55] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[17:00:35] *** TomJ has quit IRC[17:00:45] <RoyK> Niosop: can you try to upgrade to a more recent version?[17:01:13] *** tosh has quit IRC[17:01:26] <Niosop> Was thinking about it, just a little wary. Got one simulated upgrade in a vbox machine to work ok out of 3 tries.[17:02:02] <Niosop> I suppose I could try it early morning when it won't piss too many people off.[17:02:46] <Niosop> detach/attach -u still the recommended way to upgrade zones after doing the global?[17:03:08] * RoyK has no idea about zones[17:04:00] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[17:05:22] <heldchen> has anyone had success compiling php 5.3 on opensolaris? can't get over a libevent configure error :/[17:06:01] <Tonnerre> heldchen, have you tried the one from pkgsrc? It should work™[17:06:10] <heldchen> its 5.2[17:06:14] <Tonnerre> RoyK, yes, but I can't recall details[17:06:18] <heldchen> my client needs 5.3...[17:06:30] <Aria> Wow. Nice client.[17:06:36] <Aria> Mine are still clamouring for compatibility with PHP3[17:06:40] <heldchen> :)[17:06:42] <Niosop> lol[17:06:47] <RoyK> Tonnerre: it'd be nice if you had any before bulging out with comments like that[17:06:52] <Tonnerre> heldchen, not lang/php53[17:07:07] <RoyK> Aria: php3???[17:07:19] <Aria> Yarly.[17:07:22] <Tonnerre> heldchen, that's php-5.3.2nb2[17:07:27] <heldchen> hmmm[17:07:44] <RoyK> php3 is like 12 years old :)[17:07:46] <Tonnerre> RoyK, I remember instability and lack of time to debug, the usual combination for me I'm afraid.[17:08:01] <heldchen> Tonnerre: is that compatible with svn111?[17:08:10] <Aria> Yes, yes it is. So are their websites.[17:08:35] <Tonnerre> heldchen, try, I don't have a reachable box at the moment (I'm on a train)[17:08:44] <RoyK> iirc most of php has changed a bit since then and backward compatbility hasn't really been top priority for php developers[17:09:02] <Aria> Exactly.[17:09:12] <heldchen> will do. actually the build error comes from php-fpm as i just found out. bleh.[17:09:46] <gerard13> Niosop: i once had a problem with os2009.06 (network hangs) it was due to old virtualbox[17:10:09] <Niosop> Yeah, this is running on bare metal[17:10:19] *** TomJ has quit IRC[17:11:23] <RoyK> Aria: I think porting php to newer versions isn't that hard unless they use lots of early object orientation[17:12:28] *** gebi has quit IRC[17:12:52] <lewellyn> kohju: i am now.[17:12:57] <lewellyn> lblume: pong.[17:13:31] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[17:14:11] <Tonnerre> RoyK, or early XML DOM parsing[17:15:19] *** kimc has quit IRC[17:15:19] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[17:15:23] <RoyK> Tonnerre: that's just php libs, not php itself[17:15:43] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[17:16:14] <Aria> Yeah, that's the thing. They don't particularly want to pay me to upgrade their code.[17:16:20] <Tonnerre> RoyK, PHP once had a component for it which is no longer there though[17:17:15] *** derekv has quit IRC[17:17:32] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[17:18:41] <kohju> lewellyn, I checked my xz.spec and roboporters xz.[17:18:59] *** Rune^ has quit IRC[17:19:07] <kohju> mine is http://jucr.opensolaris.org/review/packages/483/ . roboporters is http://jucr.opensolaris.org/review/packages/6710/[17:20:22] *** jthunder_ has joined #opensolaris[17:21:25] <lewellyn> yes[17:21:28] <lewellyn> i liked yours ;)[17:22:10] <kohju> oh, should I upload mine?[17:22:32] <Niosop> Anyone done a 111b->134 image-update w/ zones and have any recommendations, gotchas, links to share?[17:22:45] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[17:23:00] <lewellyn> kohju: i'd like to see yours promoted, yes.[17:23:07] <lewellyn> Niosop: see the release notes in /topic and good luck :)[17:23:08] <kohju> OK, I try now.[17:23:14] <lewellyn> smrt: explain dev repository[17:23:15] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[17:24:36] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[17:24:56] <lewellyn> kohju: it looks like updating to 4.999.9beta is simple, and as you mentioned before, watch out for license changes :)[17:25:08] <kohju> ok[17:27:50] *** nics has quit IRC[17:27:52] <Niosop> The one sucessful test I did, I switched the repositories in the global and non-global zones to dev first, did the image-update in global, set the zones autoboot to false, rebooted, detached each zone and did an attach -u. Seemed to work...[17:29:45] <lewellyn> Niosop: 111b -> 134 has been hit-or-miss for me :)[17:30:03] <Niosop> as in non-recoverable miss?[17:31:11] <lewellyn> no[17:31:13] <lewellyn> (not for me)[17:31:29] <lewellyn> as in i eventually give up :)[17:32:10] *** cabooksi has joined #opensolaris[17:32:16] *** Burana has quit IRC[17:32:39] <Niosop> lol. Hmmm. Think I have a box around here I could do a real simulation on maybe.[17:32:43] <cabooksi> im tired of ripping my hair out, i cant attach a drive to a rpool due to efi label error[17:32:52] <cabooksi> i have done format -e <drive>[17:33:14] <cabooksi> created a solaris2 partition 100% of the drive and given it an SMI label[17:33:26] <cabooksi> i still get errors when trying to attach the disk[17:33:36] <cabooksi> what gives? the documentation is brutal[17:34:20] <cabooksi> anyone know what the underlying issue is?[17:34:22] <lewellyn> cabooksi: you should be able to just change it to an smi label and be done with it[17:34:34] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[17:34:34] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[17:34:43] <lewellyn> in a worst-case, just dd a few megabytes of zeros to the disk :D[17:34:44] <cabooksi> lewellyn: i have tried that for the last 3 hours[17:34:52] <cabooksi> it used to have windows on the disk[17:35:13] <cabooksi> but fdisk now shows the one partition on it solaris2[17:35:25] <lewellyn> fdisk doesn't show you the disk label[17:35:35] <cabooksi> it let me assign it[17:35:38] <cabooksi> format[17:35:43] <cabooksi> label[17:35:57] <cabooksi> i did format -e[17:36:05] <lewellyn> yeah. that should work. if it doesn't, blow away the first few megs of the disk. you're repurposing the disk anyhow :)[17:36:06] <cabooksi> selected my disk, and chose label[17:36:18] <cabooksi> yeah whats the syntax for that[17:36:26] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[17:36:31] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[17:36:54] <lewellyn> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s2 bs=1024 count=2048[17:37:06] <lewellyn> that'll blow away c0t0d0[17:37:17] <cabooksi> side issue the drive that i installed also had a windows boot mbr grub shows the Windows option still even though at install i told it to use the entire disk[17:37:27] <lewellyn> this will get rid of that too :)[17:37:57] <cabooksi> well will dd let me write to the active disk too?[17:37:58] <lewellyn> actually[17:38:07] <lewellyn> use whatever device you used for format, just as rdsk[17:38:12] <lewellyn> it will[17:38:18] <cabooksi> ok[17:38:18] <lewellyn> don't. be careful :D[17:38:35] <cabooksi> its just a fresh install i could care less if i ruin it[17:39:01] <lewellyn> a few megs of zeroes is a great way to initialize a disk though, in my book[17:39:05] <cabooksi> dd was my last plan of attack[17:39:18] <cabooksi> yeah i should have just done it hours ago[17:39:33] <cabooksi> i was just so stubborn, thought i had to be doing something wrong[17:40:14] <lewellyn> you may well have been. but there's a point where laziness should win :)[17:40:34] <cabooksi> so many people have to run into the issue[17:40:38] <cabooksi> i google'd my ass off[17:40:51] <cabooksi> found tons of posts, but everything i tried came up with a loss for me[17:40:56] <lewellyn> yeah. and some day soon, efi will take over and it'll be all pretty irrelevant[17:41:12] <cabooksi> smi is just for the rpool right[17:41:15] <cabooksi> efi is for the rest[17:41:16] <lewellyn> yes[17:41:18] <lewellyn> yes[17:41:26] <lewellyn> solaris doesn't boot off efi yet[17:41:31] <cabooksi> right[17:41:39] <lewellyn> (efi support is limited, at best)[17:42:04] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[17:43:54] <cabooksi> even after doing dd i still get an damn error[17:44:00] <lewellyn> :P[17:44:01] <cabooksi> abooksi> smi is just for the rpool right[17:44:10] <lewellyn> 08:46 @lewellyn: yes[17:44:11] <cabooksi> cannot open '/dev/dsk/c7t1d0s0': I/O error[17:44:18] <lewellyn> don't do it to slice 0[17:44:27] <lewellyn> is slice 0 what you've been running format on?[17:44:32] <cabooksi> no[17:44:40] <lewellyn> 08:43 @lewellyn: use whatever device you used for format, just as rdsk[17:44:53] <cabooksi> pfexec zpool attach rpool c7t0d0 c7t1d0[17:44:55] <cabooksi> cannot label 'c7t1d0': EFI labeled devices are not supported on root pools.[17:45:05] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[17:45:10] <lewellyn> so dd to c7tXd0[17:45:17] <cabooksi> i did[17:45:28] <cabooksi> pfexec dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdsk/c7t1d0 bs=1024 count=2048[17:45:33] <CosmicDJ> did you format -e already (i.e. wrote a fresh smi label on it?)[17:45:39] <cabooksi> yup[17:45:40] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: he said so[17:45:46] <lewellyn> which is why i suggested dd :)[17:45:47] <tsoome> you dont attach *D0[17:45:53] <cabooksi> i redid format -e after i ran dd[17:46:04] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: good point[17:46:08] <lewellyn> cabooksi: you mirrored the vtocs, too?[17:46:09] <tsoome> it must end with s?[17:46:18] <cabooksi> lewellyn: no[17:46:25] <lewellyn> smrt: explain mirror rpool[17:46:25] <smrt> http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/10/18/zfs-boot-mirror-setup/[17:46:43] <cabooksi> this is requiring a ton of steps...[17:46:50] <lewellyn> read that guide... :)[17:47:02] <cabooksi> pfexec prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c7t0d0s0 | fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c7t1d0s0[17:47:04] <cabooksi> fmthard: Cannot open device /dev/rdsk/c7t1d0s0 - Permission denied[17:47:20] <lewellyn> you didn't elevate fmthard[17:47:25] <cabooksi> ah[17:47:33] <Niosop> just pfexec bash first[17:47:37] <lewellyn> pfexec ksh93 -l[17:47:44] <lewellyn> then follow that guide[17:47:46] <cabooksi> still cant attach[17:48:07] *** emptyness47 has quit IRC[17:48:36] <lewellyn> cabooksi: did you follow the steps one by one in that guide?[17:48:50] <lewellyn> if so, can you pastebin the full output of the whole process?[17:49:00] <cabooksi> pfexec zpool attach -f rpool c7t0d0s0 c7t1d0s0 ..worked[17:49:13] <cabooksi> i skipped that guide[17:49:24] <cabooksi> when i was attaching i wasnt telling it the slice[17:49:42] <lewellyn> don't skip that guide. victori wrote it because this is a faq :)[17:50:05] <cabooksi> pfexec zpool attach rpool c7t0d0 c7t1d0 failed .. pfexec zpool attach rpool c7t0d0s0 c7t1d0s0 worked[17:50:46] <lewellyn> which the guide says :)[17:51:25] <Aria> root pools can't use whole disks ;-)[17:51:46] <tsoome> you may wanna read man zpool first about device names etc[17:51:47] <lewellyn> yay. we went full circle :)[17:52:30] <cabooksi> well one thing i see is i did s0 instead of s2 for the prtvtoc[17:52:35] <cabooksi> do i need to redo it?[17:52:53] <cabooksi> installgrub -m /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/c7t1d0s0 fails ...think it's because of that?[17:53:00] <tsoome> you do not wanna use s2 for rpool...[17:54:18] <Aria> Unless you define your s2 funny. (Man, the disklabeling stuff is arcane. I can't wait until GPT is the only thing out there...)[17:54:31] <cabooksi> new issue. last night i changed to dev build, rebooted it just loops reboots[17:54:49] <CIA-21> Paul Cheng <Paul.Cheng at Sun dot COM>: 6928457 MMS end of feature (fix CDDL, fix packaging)[17:55:33] <cabooksi> i might try the iso of b134[17:56:03] <kohju> hm... what should I set CCAS and CCASFLAGS?[17:56:06] <cabooksi> isnt there a text install that will let me mirror the rpool[17:58:26] *** milek has quit IRC[17:59:07] <cabooksi> when i update my grub for a dev update lets say, do i need to redo the grub install manually on the 2nd drive[17:59:11] <cabooksi> each time[17:59:20] <cabooksi> or is this a one time deal[18:00:55] <cabooksi> what im getting at is for each time there is a change to grub (a new BE gets added via an update) do i need to re-issue: pfexec installgrub -m /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/c7t1d0s0[18:01:08] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[18:03:15] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[18:04:19] <tsoome> its one time[18:05:10] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[18:05:19] <cabooksi> cool[18:05:20] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:05:29] <cabooksi> one thing i noticed in that guide,[18:05:40] <cabooksi> victori@solaris:~# prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c4t0d0s2 | fmthard -s . /dev/rdsk/c4t1d0s2[18:05:44] <cabooksi> why is it slice 2?[18:06:09] <tsoome> because s2 will address *whole* solaris fdisk partition[18:06:32] <tsoome> so it can access the area where vtoc table is located[18:06:41] <cabooksi> so since i did s0 did mine not work[18:06:45] <tsoome> thats the reason why you wont use s2 as slice for rpool[18:07:16] <cabooksi> after i did that command on s0 it still let me continue...it must have fixed something[18:07:22] <tsoome> thats the reason why you in general at first read up and learn disk labelling....[18:07:58] <cabooksi> i have read as much as i could the last few hours, i have 3 other osol boxes, never have i had this many issues right out the gate[18:08:35] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:08:45] *** w3rd_ has quit IRC[18:08:49] <tsoome> well, at least look on your boot disk layout and try to understand whats there.[18:08:49] <cabooksi> you ever seen where you update to a newer build and right when the splash screen begins to move the computer reboots?[18:09:15] *** batschul has quit IRC[18:09:39] <tsoome> well, thats reset, so you have something wrong in your system. either broken setup or bad hardware.[18:09:56] <cabooksi> hmm[18:10:04] <cabooksi> works fine in 2009.06[18:10:18] <cabooksi> ran these:[18:10:28] <cabooksi> pfexec pkg set-authority -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/ opensolaris.org[18:10:32] <tsoome> can be broken drivers...[18:10:39] <cabooksi> pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg[18:10:47] <cabooksi> pfexec pkg image-update[18:10:47] *** w3rd_ has joined #opensolaris[18:10:48] <cabooksi> ah ok[18:11:04] <kohju> Hm...[18:11:45] *** p3rror has quit IRC[18:11:51] <cabooksi> pfexec shutdown -y -g 0 -i 6 (how i reboot) is this still ok[18:11:55] <kohju> lewellyn, I can build xz without assembler. but I cannot build it with asem.[18:12:47] <kohju> lewellyn, it is not good ? what should I set CCAS and CCASFLAGS?[18:13:28] *** hsp has quit IRC[18:14:30] *** Burana has quit IRC[18:17:01] <lewellyn> kohju: i don't know. i'll try building it myself later.[18:17:02] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[18:17:10] <lewellyn> i have to go get my mail :)[18:17:19] <kohju> :)[18:17:48] <cabooksi> i have pretty standard hardware.. nvidia gpu and intel NIC[18:17:55] <cabooksi> 2 sata drives[18:20:45] <tsoome> pc and standard hardware? rofl[18:21:57] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[18:22:05] <kohju> lewellyn, ok. I can do it.[18:22:24] <jbit> cabooksi: boot in verbose/debug mode, see what's up[18:23:13] *** derchris has quit IRC[18:23:20] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[18:23:20] <tsoome> you can disable that splash screen and get the kernel messages before reset, or enable kernel debugger[18:24:15] <cabooksi> ok first im going to see if the live cd even works[18:24:18] <cabooksi> for b134[18:24:23] <jbit> tsoome: most of the time the kernel seems to reset as soon as it issues the error[18:25:45] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[18:25:50] <CosmicDJ> did you try http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with[18:27:02] <cabooksi> i just did a fresh install and an update reboot, saw the splash the pc reset shortly after that[18:27:20] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[18:28:34] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[18:29:59] <cabooksi> b134 livecd seems to be working fine[18:30:10] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[18:30:48] <Hedonista> can a person just edit /etc/user_attr or is there a special comand?[18:31:12] <Aria> You can just edit it. Careful you don't lock yourself out, of course -- perhaps open a root shell[18:32:13] <Hedonista> i just want to add Primary to my profile , it somehos got changed yesterday[18:32:26] <Hedonista> thanks Aria[18:33:44] <tsoome> man usermod/rolemod[18:34:16] <Hedonista> ok[18:34:43] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[18:34:50] <tsoome> only remember, usermod wont add profile, its replacing existing list with one you provide on command line[18:35:03] <tsoome> so dont get locked out;)[18:37:11] <Hedonista> ok[18:38:39] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[18:39:13] <RoyK> imho useradd -m should create a zfs dataset, since private datasets are standard for "default" users[18:39:58] <tsoome> yes and no. you dont wanna have private datasets for all of your 20k users[18:42:49] <RoyK> tsoome: there are quite few installations with that amount of users[18:43:13] <tsoome> guess so[18:43:44] <tsoome> still, since user/group quota support, there is no much need for private dataset (unless you wanna per user snapshots)[18:44:36] <RoyK> I'd say er user snapshots is quite convenient[18:44:41] <tsoome> obviously fs quata is still nice[18:45:00] <RoyK> but still, that's not the point - the point was since it's default for the initial users, why not for the rest?[18:47:31] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[18:49:16] <cabooksi> is there a command that will completely erase the disks other than dd[18:50:56] <tsoome> define "disk erase". dd is definitely not an tool for disk erase imo:P[18:51:14] <cabooksi> i want to destroy all the labels and partitions and mbr[18:51:43] <cabooksi> dd just stopped quickly when i tried to use the drive..do i need to add p0 to the end[18:52:12] <tsoome> yes.[18:52:38] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:52:45] <cabooksi> dsk or rdsk?[18:53:39] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[18:54:33] <cabooksi> and do i have to use bs=[18:54:47] <cabooksi> or can i just do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/dsk/c0t0d0p0[18:55:19] <tsoome> depends how long you wanna wait. default is 512[18:55:52] <cabooksi> 74gb drives[18:55:56] <cabooksi> i have 2 of them[18:55:58] <cabooksi> sooner the better[18:56:06] <Aria> So use bigger blocks![18:56:09] <Aria> (bs=1M?)[18:56:26] <tsoome> tbh, i see little point of dd when you just wanna redesign partition tables....[18:56:51] <Aria> (Sometimes a start fresh is nice, so you can really see what you're doing)[18:58:57] <cabooksi> it's going..wonder how long it will take ;)[18:59:15] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[18:59:39] <jbit> seems overkill for nuking hte partition table..[19:00:46] <jbit> cabooksi: still not entirely sure why you're not trying to debug the problem[19:02:22] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[19:03:52] <RoyK> 100k will suffice[19:03:59] <RoyK> even 10k[19:05:36] <cabooksi> jbit i just want to start with fresh drives[19:05:51] <jbit> probably less than one k wil make most sane programs think the able is invalid and ask to make a new one[19:05:58] <cabooksi> odd thing my cdrom access light is going crazy while sending zeroes to my drive[19:06:28] <cabooksi> running this off a livecd[19:06:31] <RoyK> echo fuck this > /dev/dsk/c0t0p0[19:06:32] <RoyK> :)[19:09:05] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[19:10:42] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[19:13:14] <tsoome> isnt fdisk table duplicated?[19:17:14] <Aria> No.[19:17:32] <Aria> FAT allocation tables are, but not partition tables.[19:18:02] <Aria> MBR is 486 bytes, table is the rest of the first sector.,[19:18:15] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[19:18:37] <tsoome> aye, was confusing with fat, yes[19:19:49] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[19:24:33] *** kukhuvud has joined #opensolaris[19:34:28] *** Aria has quit IRC[19:35:44] <lewellyn> and nuking the first two megs is sufficient to confuse almost all "smart" tools :)[19:35:51] <lewellyn> also, anyone remember the livecd program? ;)[19:39:36] <kohju> building ... :D[19:40:15] *** Beelsebob has joined #opensolaris[19:40:39] <lblume> why is it at only 1:30am that routing to the East becomes normal again?[19:40:48] <Beelsebob> Heya, where's my best bet for getting info on getting zeroconf/bonjour/rendezvous/some_other_name working on open sol?[19:41:03] *** kolle has joined #opensolaris[19:41:57] <lewellyn> lblume: rush hour :P[19:42:02] <lewellyn> Beelsebob: avahi iirc[19:43:27] <lblume> lewellyn: Or some badass shark was venging a relative on undersea fiber between here and LA.[19:44:10] <Beelsebob> lewellyn: forgive my ignorance, but … what?[19:44:15] <lblume> Is there any way to compensate 2/3 packet loss to keep an ssh connection usable? Like sending packets in triplicate by default? :-D[19:44:49] <lewellyn> Beelsebob: the opensource tech is called avai[19:44:51] <lewellyn> avahi[19:45:06] <Beelsebob> I guess I should have applied google to that first[19:45:11] <Beelsebob> thanks :)[19:45:33] *** kolle has left #opensolaris[19:51:39] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[19:51:56] <Beelsebob> lewellyn: forgive me if I'm wrong, the website for avahi is a bit confusing… this seems to be an implementation of zeroconf-client behavior – i.e. it provides discovery of other servers… Does it also provide advertising of services to other machines[19:52:17] <Beelsebob> specifically what I'm after is my Mac OS machines being able to easily latch onto my OpenSolaris box providing interesting data[19:52:28] <lewellyn> Beelsebob: i dunno. i know that avahi is in opensolaris[19:52:49] <lewellyn> i know that osol boxes show up in the finder and i think in safari too[19:53:03] * lewellyn doesn't have any up atm with web stuff to tell you for sure[19:53:45] <Beelsebob> lewellyn: hmm… something wrong going on for me[19:53:55] <Beelsebob> my OpenSol box does not show up for the Macs on my network[19:53:58] <Beelsebob> not even it's SMB share[19:54:14] <Triskelios> Beelsebob: opensolaris uses Apple's own mDNS server rather than avahi[19:54:16] <Beelsebob> the only way the macs can see it is by deliberately connecting to a server, and telling them the IP address[19:54:31] <Triskelios> (an avahi compatible API wrapper is included)[19:54:42] <Beelsebob> Triskelios: do I need to play any tricks to get it to advertise it's services?[19:54:47] <lewellyn> i also have a windows domain, which inifluences what i see[19:55:37] <Triskelios> Beelsebob: it has a config file for services which don't interact with zeroconf directly[19:56:10] <Beelsebob> Triskelios: not sure I get what you mean[19:56:17] <Beelsebob> or more to the point, I'm sure I don't get it[19:57:01] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[19:57:49] <Triskelios> Beelsebob: most zeroconf capable apps use an API to register themselves in mDNS, so no configuration is needed (just start the app)[19:57:59] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[19:58:38] <Beelsebob> Triskelios: so theoretically, by telling zfs to share a file system over samba, it *should* be advertising[19:58:43] <Beelsebob> (but for some reason isn't)[19:58:52] <lewellyn> dude. i should offer to redo my local taqueria's site so that it doesn't totally blow[19:58:58] <lewellyn> (in exchange for food, of course!)[19:59:19] *** lblume has quit IRC[19:59:26] <lewellyn> they have the right idea. but they dropped the idea into geocities or something[19:59:31] <Beelsebob> heh, I have on various occasions thought of standardising a format for menus[19:59:40] <Triskelios> Beelsebob: I don't see any reason for the CIFS server to use zeroconf?[19:59:49] <lewellyn> http://losmorenotaquerias.com/index.html[20:00:02] <lewellyn> bleeding eyes are not my fault![20:00:04] <Beelsebob> Triskelios: to advertise the fact that it's serving files to macs?[20:00:13] <Triskelios> Beelsebob: samba is a different software, btw[20:00:29] <Beelsebob> Triskelios: right, sorry, terminology fail :([20:00:41] <Beelsebob> lewellyn: that's pretty awful, yeh[20:02:28] <lewellyn> Beelsebob: you can see that they have the right idea though. perhaps i'll mock something up on my laptop and take it in tomorrow[20:02:40] <Triskelios> Beelsebob: but Windows doesn't do that... is there even a spec for what the mDNS entry should look like?[20:03:29] <lewellyn> now, to head over for breakfast![20:04:31] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[20:04:52] *** Tekwar has quit IRC[20:05:23] *** cabooksi has quit IRC[20:05:45] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[20:13:06] *** tg has quit IRC[20:13:58] *** fOB has quit IRC[20:14:17] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[20:17:59] *** Kedare has quit IRC[20:20:06] *** sk0rd has joined #opensolaris[20:20:48] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[20:25:58] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[20:25:59] *** datadigger has quit IRC[20:27:49] *** datadigger has joined #opensolaris[20:35:08] <stallion> afternoon all[20:35:53] <nikolam> hello[20:38:46] *** kukhuvud has quit IRC[20:39:03] *** evilturtle has left #opensolaris[20:39:11] *** kukhuvud has joined #opensolaris[20:41:05] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[20:41:50] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[20:46:38] *** ACKT1C has joined #opensolaris[20:47:40] *** man_with_a_stick has quit IRC[20:47:45] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[20:48:48] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[20:49:13] *** ACKT1C has left #opensolaris[20:52:20] *** tosh has quit IRC[20:52:52] *** ineil has joined #opensolaris[20:53:01] *** Niosop has quit IRC[20:53:36] *** kimc has quit IRC[20:53:49] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[20:54:08] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[20:54:18] *** kimc has quit IRC[20:54:20] <ineil> hi. i hope this isn't a contentious question. can anyone tell me when the 2010.02 / 2010.03 release of OpenSolaris will be released? we are considering moving to open solaris but have been concerned given the lack of info on the timeline/roadmap for the project.[20:56:04] *** Odin- has quit IRC[20:56:42] *** omry has quit IRC[20:56:59] *** omry_ has joined #opensolaris[20:58:01] <alanc> ineil: the latest information is in /topic[20:58:26] <alanc> we still don't know, and it is a contentious question[20:59:06] <ineil> sorry :([20:59:11] <alanc> though as was posted to opensolaris-discuss last night, progress is moving forward on a release candidate[21:01:19] <alanc> there's been both technical issues (showstopper bugs that needed to be root caused and fixed) and other issues (the machines hosting the repos and isos moving from the old Sun data centers to Oracle's data centers)[21:02:51] * alanc blames the EU - the release wasn't supposed to be scheduled at the same time as the corporate change in control, since that makes everything more complicated[21:03:17] <ineil> :)[21:03:58] <MrWGW> in general I think the real source of vexation has been Oracle's extreme silence[21:04:10] <MrWGW> if more people at Oracle had said what alanc had said that would more or less quash all rumors[21:04:23] *** duck[osol] has joined #opensolaris[21:04:26] <duck[osol]> hi :P[21:04:48] <duck[osol]> running opensolaris on a 700MHz Pentium 3 w/ 512MB RAM...fun[21:06:14] <ineil> thank you for the info/perspective alanc. yes MrWGW I would have to agree re: the lack of communication. It has been very frustrating. I've been using OpenSolaris on a bunch of dev machines and have been trying to sell my management on the idea of using OpenSolaris over BSD/Linux etc. but the present situation is destroying the credibility of everything I've been trying to achieve and will make it harder to revisit OpenSolaris down the line.[21:08:16] *** submesa has joined #opensolaris[21:08:33] <submesa> can somebody tell me the latest zpool version available in both stable and development opensolaris?[21:13:36] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[21:13:36] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[21:13:36] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[21:13:45] <duck[osol]> is there a command line version of update manager->update all?[21:14:33] <duck[osol]> it seems my computer's having a small issue with RAM, so i'm gonna try killing xorg (since it's gonna be a server([21:17:41] <stallion> jmcp: gdamore: around?[21:17:58] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[21:18:00] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[21:18:02] *** logic has quit IRC[21:18:12] <alanc> duck[osol]: pkg image-update[21:18:39] <duck[osol]> alanc: thanks[21:18:44] <kukhuvud> that's what i was thinking as well ;)[21:18:48] *** nikolam has quit IRC[21:20:53] <kukhuvud> now, why mine doesn't seem to update is another issue entirely ;)[21:21:07] <kukhuvud> though my box is stable, so i'm not complaining too much![21:21:24] <duck[osol]> well i'm trying to update from 2008.11 on a 700MHz P3 xD[21:21:29] <duck[osol]> not the most elegant process[21:21:40] <kukhuvud> heh[21:21:53] <duck[osol]> although it'd go much much quicker if screen would install...[21:22:12] <kukhuvud> why not pkg image-update then?[21:22:15] * duck[osol] pokes "Indexing Packages 560/561" and it being stuck :([21:22:23] <kukhuvud> ah :([21:22:37] <kukhuvud> pkg rebuild-index ?[21:22:41] <duck[osol]> kukhuvud: i was going to run that in screen so i could disable Xorg and go upstairs and ssh in :P[21:22:46] <duck[osol]> woo, finally finished[21:22:53] <duck[osol]> that was odd, never had it take that long for it to finish indexing[21:22:59] <duck[osol]> but anywho, i have screen now ;D[21:23:07] <kukhuvud> yezzz :)[21:23:19] <duck[osol]> brb... configuring a static ip, running `pkg image-update` in screen, and going upstairs to my other computer :P[21:23:24] <kukhuvud> good luck![21:23:42] <alanc> going from anything before build 133 to anything after build 133 takes extra time & memory due to almost every single package being renamed in 133[21:24:29] <alanc> which means pkg has to keep track of double the package names to handle the renaming properly[21:24:37] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[21:24:38] <kukhuvud> is there any reason why, if my repo is set to dev, that running image-update on a 134 system wouldn't update it to 137?[21:25:04] <alanc> kukhuvud: because 134 is the latest available in pkg.opensolaris.org/dev[21:25:17] <kukhuvud> ah, ok i thought i read that the latest dev was 137 ... my bad :)[21:25:22] <Triskelios> kukhuvud: 137 wasn't published to the public repo[21:25:36] <Triskelios> kukhuvud: the source is available, though[21:25:56] <kukhuvud> eh, i'm not *that* desperate to have my system bleeding edge :P[21:26:10] <lewellyn> is there a list of which consolidations still haven't submitted their 134a bits?[21:27:29] <alanc> lewellyn: as of Friday, that would be the empty set[21:27:30] *** duck[oso1] has joined #opensolaris[21:27:41] <lewellyn> alanc: kick ass :)[21:28:14] <duck[oso1]> woo, static up worked ;P[21:28:20] *** duck[oso1] has quit IRC[21:28:20] *** duck[osol] has quit IRC[21:28:21] <alanc> unless when RE turns the crank to generate the isos & repos they find something that breaks that[21:29:23] *** duck[osol] has joined #opensolaris[21:30:05] <lewellyn> would that be 134aa? :)[21:30:56] <alanc> "Welcome to 134AA" "Hello, my consolidation name is X, and I have a respin problem"[21:31:49] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[21:31:52] *** ineil has left #opensolaris[21:31:55] * alanc did post his single line 134a changelog to http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+x_win/changelogs-nv_130 yesterday[21:32:49] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[21:33:02] <gjl> if I write a shell script to clone each file in a zpool, delete the original and then rename the clone to the original, would this have the effect of compressing previously uncompressed files?[21:33:24] <gjl> assuming i enable compression on a zpool that previously had it disabled[21:33:43] <jbit> gjl: depends on hte "clone" operation i guess[21:33:54] <gjl> i'm thinking of cp[21:34:46] <jbit> then it should do[21:34:52] <gjl> ok, thanks[21:35:22] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[21:35:48] <alanc> hrm, bugs.opensolaris.org won't let you query for release integrated=snv_134a, but will show some hits (not as many as it should though) for a text search of snv_134a[21:36:19] *** tg has quit IRC[21:37:24] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[21:38:48] *** nikolam_ has quit IRC[21:39:26] <lewellyn> so... i am debating saving this livecd i picked up today as a collector's item, unopened. "ONE OF THE LAST OPENSOLARIS LIVECDS SHIPPED!!!1111" on ebay in 15 years ;)[21:39:27] *** tg has quit IRC[21:39:38] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[21:40:43] <lewellyn> i had requested it (prior to the end of the live cd program's termination) in hopes that i'd be near the front of the line for 2010.whatever. i wasn't expecting another 2009.06 :P[21:42:24] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[21:46:37] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[21:47:51] *** Niosop has joined #opensolaris[21:48:43] <Niosop> Is it possible to force a NIC to be either in interrupt or polling mode? Seems it automatically switches depending on bandwidth usage, but I'd like to force it into one or the other to see if the outages I'm seeing might be due to an IRQ conflict of some sort.[21:52:20] <tsoome> read the source.[21:52:30] <tsoome> src.opensolaris.org.[21:52:41] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[21:53:00] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[21:54:17] <gjl> any news on the oracle front?[21:54:41] *** niq has quit IRC[21:54:55] <CIA-21> Chris Horne <Chris.Horne at Sun dot COM>: 6946878 SCSAv3: fix for 6944220 performs poorly for bus_config_one of missing device[21:59:08] *** Niosop has quit IRC[22:01:01] *** heatman has joined #opensolaris[22:07:56] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[22:13:25] *** randw has quit IRC[22:13:30] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[22:15:41] *** leito has quit IRC[22:16:43] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[22:16:55] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[22:17:11] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:17:56] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[22:18:28] *** iFire has quit IRC[22:20:37] *** dajune has quit IRC[22:21:01] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[22:21:33] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[22:22:37] *** zmisc has joined #opensolaris[22:27:09] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[22:30:02] <submesa> can somebody tell me the latest zpool version available in both stable and development opensolaris?[22:30:42] *** tg has quit IRC[22:30:55] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[22:34:24] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:34:37] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[22:34:45] <RoyK> submesa: 134 is v22[22:34:58] <RoyK> don't remember the version in 111[22:35:34] <RoyK> 14, I think[22:35:44] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[22:35:45] * RoyK hands submesa a web browser[22:36:45] *** iFire has quit IRC[22:40:03] *** emptyness47 has joined #opensolaris[22:41:12] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[22:42:20] *** emptyness47 has quit IRC[22:42:39] *** vraa has quit IRC[22:43:58] *** zmisc has quit IRC[22:44:21] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:45:09] <submesa> well somehow i didn't find it using google. anyway thanks![22:46:33] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[22:52:50] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[22:53:37] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[22:53:53] *** ingenthr1 is now known as ingenthr[22:54:29] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[22:57:07] <Hedonista> has anyone got "RPC: Unable to receive nfs mount" error ? im trying to mount nfs share on a linux vbox[22:57:40] <Meths> submesa: more info in the ZFS project section on the website. The version details can be found here http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/N[22:57:58] <submesa> meths: thanks![23:00:24] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[23:00:51] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:01:33] *** calzifer has quit IRC[23:01:57] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[23:03:22] *** calzifer has joined #opensolaris[23:03:51] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[23:07:15] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[23:08:33] <stallion> alanc: around?[23:09:59] *** calzifer has quit IRC[23:10:32] *** calzifer has joined #opensolaris[23:15:31] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[23:23:06] <RoyK> I spoke to someone from nexsan and they are using sha1 _and_ md5 for dedup - are there any plans of using multiple hashes in osol?[23:23:14] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[23:23:20] <RoyK> cheaper than verify[23:25:29] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[23:30:08] <Stric> RoyK: umm. no. not cheaper than verify.[23:30:50] <jbit> doesnt zfs use sha256?[23:31:21] <jbit> sha1 is 160bit, md5sum is 128bit...[23:31:31] <RoyK> sha1 is a lot[23:31:43] <Stric> well.. I guess it could be cheaper.. if most data is duplicate..[23:31:55] <jbit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1 is 160bit[23:32:22] <jbit> i think sha256 is more "secure" (less chance of unwanted collisions) than sha-1+md5[23:32:36] <Stric> and zfs uses sha256, yes[23:32:41] <Beelsebob> both sha-1 and md5 has been comprimised[23:32:51] <jbit> Beelsebob: even ignoring that...[23:32:52] <Beelsebob> so yeh, sha-256 is more secure than one on top of the other[23:32:56] <Stric> Beelsebob: but not when combined[23:33:22] <Beelsebob> Stric: using one insecure thing after another insecure thing does not make a secure thing[23:33:23] <Stric> Beelsebob: find a hash collission for both md5 and sha1 with the same data.[23:33:36] <jbit> i'm not aware of any analysys that says md5+sha1 avoids conflicts of both[23:33:38] <Beelsebob> uhhuh, using them in parallel might give you *some* security[23:33:51] <Beelsebob> but you'd still be better off with the hash that *hasn't* been comprimised at all[23:33:56] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[23:34:09] <jbit> so even assuming htat would be the case you get 128+160=288bits, for basically twice hte cost[23:34:13] *** randw has quit IRC[23:34:55] <Beelsebob> random thought...[23:35:09] <Beelsebob> does anyone in here know about US encryption export law?[23:35:09] <Stric> hash collissions are rare in both sha1 and md5.. but having hash collission in both algorithms with the same original+spoof, not that probable[23:35:16] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[23:35:32] <jbit> Stric: but is it more probable than one sha256 hit?[23:35:38] <jbit> that's the real question that matters[23:35:42] <Stric> jbit: I don't know..[23:35:48] <jbit> Stric: and that's the point :P[23:35:51] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[23:35:57] <jbit> i don't think anybody knows[23:36:00] <Stric> but it's not like it will happen twice a day like Beelsebob seems to put it[23:36:09] <Beelsebob> what people *do* know is that sha256 *is* secure[23:36:10] <jbit> Stric: agreed[23:36:14] <Beelsebob> at least at the moment[23:36:20] <Stric> Beelsebob: bingo.[23:36:22] <jbit> but i agree with Beelsebob that sha256 is proven and studied[23:36:24] <Stric> at the moment.[23:36:27] <jbit> md5+sha1 is not, at all[23:36:49] <Stric> sha1 and sha256 has probably been just as proven safe..[23:36:57] <Beelsebob> Stric: the point is that md5+sha1 is not studied[23:37:01] <Stric> it's just that sha1 has been broken[23:37:02] <Beelsebob> sha256 meanwile *has*[23:37:06] <Stric> and sha256 has not.. yet..[23:37:09] <Beelsebob> and been shown to be secure[23:37:19] <Beelsebob> it *could* be that md5+sha1 has a fatal flaw[23:37:21] <Stric> md5 was secure once as well[23:37:23] <Beelsebob> and you just don't know it[23:37:28] <Stric> just like des and 3des[23:37:31] <Spencer_tt> as long as it's des it should be secure.[23:38:01] <jbit> anyway, if nexsan is using sha1+md5 for their "verify" then that sounds pretty shakey[23:38:04] <Beelsebob> Stric: right, but at least sha256 holds up to basic (pretty advanced actually) analysis[23:38:10] <Beelsebob> sha1+md5 might fall at the first hurdle[23:38:13] <Beelsebob> and you just not know it[23:38:18] <Stric> correct.[23:38:44] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris[23:39:01] <PatrickS> well, what's your main concern here? A incidentally hash collision (that corrupts your content) or an indentional attck?[23:39:05] <Stric> jbit: Ok, you tell me how probable it is that a bit flip will cause a collision in both sha1 and md5 at the same time. go ahead.[23:39:22] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[23:39:28] <jbit> Stric: i can't, nobody can, that's what we're trying to say :)[23:39:29] <Beelsebob> Stric: I can't – that's the point[23:39:48] <Stric> jbit: you just said it's "pretty shakey"[23:39:49] <Beelsebob> a mathemetitian who studies it for 5 minutes *might* though discover that it's extremel likely[23:39:59] <jbit> Stric: yes, anything unproven is "pretty shakey"[23:40:00] <Stric> that kinda implies that you know it's easy to find one[23:40:07] <Beelsebob> unlikel sha256 which we already know to be extremely unlikely[23:40:19] <Stric> sha256 will be broken.[23:40:25] <Stric> there will be hash collisions.[23:40:26] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[23:40:38] <Stric> otherwise, 256 bits can store everything in the world.[23:40:44] <jbit> with crypt the only thing you can rely on is hte right now[23:41:00] <jbit> if you look into the future, then, maybe factoring primes becomes super easy with something clever and everything falls to shit[23:41:14] <jbit> but right now.. sha256 is more proven and studied than sha1+md5, that's all that matters[23:41:16] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[23:41:21] <Stric> and the world consists of more than 256 bits, so just drop the "sha256 is proven to be free of problems"[23:41:31] <tsoome> that would require some alternate technologies;)[23:41:36] <jbit> Stric: nobody is saying that[23:41:43] <Beelsebob> Stric: no one is saying sha256 is free of problems[23:41:48] <Stric> Beelsebob: hah. you are.[23:41:52] <Beelsebob> we're saying sha256 is shown to be very reliable[23:42:00] <jbit> sha256 will have collisions, therE's jsut a good chance that it'S more reliable than sha1+md5[23:42:06] <Beelsebob> wheras the properties of sha1+md5 have not been shown to be anything[23:42:22] <Beelsebob> the properties of sha1+md5 *might* be the same as adding one to the plaintext[23:42:27] <Beelsebob> we don't know[23:42:43] <jbit> it might be super awesome and a million times better than sha256, again, we don'T know[23:42:55] <jbit> basing your storgate on unknown concepts seems "shakey" to me[23:43:09] <jbit> s/storgate/storage/[23:43:22] <Beelsebob> but given the choice of a plane that will fly 999,999,999,999,999 times out of 1,000,000,000,000,000 and a plane that you have no idea of the reliability of… which would you fly in?[23:43:25] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[23:43:54] <jbit> tsoome: factoring primes? true... but it might happen :)[23:44:26] <Stric> Beelsebob: Your analogy seems kinda flawed.. :P[23:44:27] <lewellyn> Beelsebob: do i have to answer that one? my answer would be insensitive :P[23:44:29] <Spencer_tt> as many times as you make it happen with lesser numbers :p[23:44:44] <Beelsebob> lewellyn: now I *really* want to know what your answer would be[23:44:46] <tsoome> well. it has been solid for last like... what.... 400 years?;)[23:44:50] <Beelsebob> Stric: how so?[23:44:59] <lewellyn> Beelsebob: i was going to say "whichever doesn't have the polish government in it"[23:45:05] <Beelsebob> lewellyn: rofl[23:45:07] <Spencer_tt> lol[23:45:17] <jbit> lewellyn: that would be none of them right now[23:45:40] <lewellyn> i actually am impressed that my inbox wasn't filled with jokes about polish engineering[23:45:47] <Stric> oh well.. this isn't going anywhere useful.. heading off to some tv instead.. :P[23:45:52] <lewellyn> the internet's come a ways in the past N years[23:46:17] <jbit> lewellyn: wasn't the plane made and maintained in russia?[23:46:18] <Beelsebob> okay, there's a crossroads, at one road there's the polish government, at one there's the belgian government, at another there's a man hating dyke, and the other a lesbian who loves everyone… at the centre there's a bundle of money… who gets it?[23:46:19] <Beelsebob> :P[23:46:23] <jbit> i seem to remember reading that anyway[23:46:28] * lewellyn goes to burn some stuff on these discs wihtout a manufacturer code[23:46:35] <lewellyn> jbit: i think so[23:46:48] <lewellyn> jbit: but the internet managed to not make obvious jokes[23:47:00] <jbit> yeah, that is somewhat shocking[23:47:18] <lewellyn> i certainly wasn't going to prod 4chan about it though... :P[23:47:39] <jbit> yeah, was jsut going to say "or maybe i'm on hte wrong/right parts of hte internet"[23:48:07] <lewellyn> knowyourmeme.com is all you need from that part of the internet[23:48:13] <Stric> lewellyn: surprised that there's no "hitler in his bunker, complaining about the polish engineering" or so..[23:48:21] <Stric> but now, tv *pof*[23:48:31] <Beelsebob> so… who knows… is rc4 (in it's standard 128 bit key aproach) safe for export from the US?[23:48:46] <lewellyn> google may know...[23:48:53] <Beelsebob> google is cagy on the subject[23:49:01] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[23:49:21] <jbit> http://kotaku.com/5523705/reward-offered-for-footage-stolen-from-super-street-fighter-iv-launch[23:49:21] * Beelsebob has already emailed the relevant people in the US asking… but yeh… usual response time for such things[23:49:36] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[23:49:38] <jbit> somebody from sun^Woracle should contact these guys about better storage solutions[23:49:43] <Spencer_tt> you're being academic Beelsebob[23:50:14] <Beelsebob> Spencer_tt: (a) how so (b) what's wrong with that anyway/[23:50:55] <lewellyn> Beelsebob: have them print it out and mail it[23:51:07] <Spencer_tt> nothing wrong with it, it would be better to find out where else you can get encryption apart from the US,[23:51:26] <lewellyn> ok. i'm gone. off to test this burn! :D[23:51:28] <jbit> i actually asked a german "what's the quickest way to poland?" a few weeks back... it was totally fine in context but he heard it out of context and thought i was setting up a joke[23:51:40] <Beelsebob> Spencer_tt: well no, the issue is that we're shipping a product to the US, from which it will be exported (hosting)… so we need to know if we can or can't export it...[23:51:47] <Beelsebob> ofc, it's rather OT for this chan[23:51:57] <Beelsebob> but I did wonder if people in here might know about that kind of thing[23:52:51] *** hunter has quit IRC[23:53:44] <Spencer_tt> exporting known quantities is acceptable with proper arrangements, pen, paper, fax and some phone calls can get that done with patience - time is the main variable.[23:54:07] <Spencer_tt> if you're in to hand shaking you're in business - people like that :)[23:55:09] <Beelsebob> fair enough[23:55:13] <Beelsebob> ta for the info[23:55:35] *** hnhn has quit IRC[23:55:42] <Beelsebob> tbh, we're mostly going for enough obscurity that people cba, so rc4 64 bit may be enough for us[23:56:01] <Beelsebob> there's no significant security risk if it gets broken, just a minor pain in the ass[23:57:07] <Spencer_tt> well food for thought, users always like better security so it doesn't hurt to give them the best you can get[23:57:40] <Beelsebob> true[23:57:47] *** twisti_ has quit IRC