April 22, 2010 
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April 22, 2010 [00:00:25] *** ArcAngel has quit IRC[00:01:08] *** ArcAngel has joined #opensolaris[00:01:16] *** andersenep has quit IRC[00:01:19] *** gswain has joined #opensolaris[00:02:10] *** dunc has quit IRC[00:02:23] *** gswain has left #opensolaris[00:03:08] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[00:04:08] *** piwi has quit IRC[00:04:50] *** melbogia has quit IRC[00:05:03] *** kimc has quit IRC[00:05:04] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[00:06:46] *** gothos has quit IRC[00:07:55] *** Stellar has quit IRC[00:09:09] *** ttys0_ is now known as ttys0[00:11:18] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[00:11:19] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[00:13:04] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris[00:14:41] *** zio4ux has joined #opensolaris[00:14:57] <zio4ux> Hi[00:15:47] <zio4ux> OpenSolaris isn't dead is it? ='([00:15:51] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[00:16:26] <CosmicDJ> zio4ux: make your own mind -> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6510-Future-of-OpenSolaris.html ;-)[00:16:53] <anarchos> so i created a new file system for a new user, added a new user, and when i log in as that user, it doesn't want to seem to read it's .bash_rc or .bash_history in it's home directory[00:16:58] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[00:17:17] *** kimc has quit IRC[00:17:37] <gtirloni> anarchos: you mean .bashrc ?[00:17:51] <anarchos> right[00:18:01] <gtirloni> is passwd correctly pointing to the new homedir?[00:18:15] <thevraa> what does "1st half of CY2010" mean? what is CY? "consumer year?"[00:18:21] *** zio4ux has quit IRC[00:18:33] <CosmicDJ> calendar year? just guessing though[00:18:51] *** RoyK has left #opensolaris[00:18:59] <ttys0> cyber year ... 'cause everything seems to get a cyber prefix these days[00:19:24] *** pgr has quit IRC[00:19:24] <anarchos> i have user:x:102:1::/export/home/user:/bin/bash[00:19:48] <anarchos> it correctly initially has me in /export/home/user when i log in[00:20:16] *** jthunder_ has joined #opensolaris[00:20:35] <bdrewery> CosmicDJ: thanks for link[00:20:59] *** [1]kimc has quit IRC[00:21:04] <gtirloni> anarchos: if you try 'source /export/home/user/.bashrc', does it work?[00:21:37] <anarchos> yup[00:22:18] <CosmicDJ> bdrewery: why don't you say thank you to the c0t0d0s0.org guy as well? :)[00:23:06] <anarchos> gtirloni: how do i set that every time i log in? make it permanent, so to speak[00:23:20] <sstallion_work> jmcp: ping[00:23:26] <jmcp> pong[00:23:32] <sstallion_work> jmcp: incoming /query[00:23:39] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:23:42] <jmcp> 'k[00:23:57] <jmcp> thevraa: "CY" is always Calendar Year[00:24:31] <gtirloni> anarchos: do you have a .bash_profile file in there as well?[00:24:50] <anarchos> nope[00:25:18] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris[00:26:03] <gtirloni> shouldn't be needed anyway[00:26:09] <anarchos> ok that fixed that. never experienced a system that doesn't create that stuff for you![00:26:22] *** Garen_ has joined #opensolaris[00:26:27] <ttys0> now you have ;)[00:26:33] <anarchos> heh[00:26:52] <gtirloni> lol[00:27:03] <anarchos> it might have tried to. i forgot to chown the new filesystem for the user before i created the new user[00:27:04] <JeremyK> when you did useradd did you use the -m flag?[00:27:12] <JeremyK> if not, then it won't skel the homedir for you[00:27:41] *** Garen has quit IRC[00:27:44] *** jpd_ has quit IRC[00:27:56] *** haggle has left #opensolaris[00:28:10] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:29:45] *** tg has quit IRC[00:30:40] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[00:30:48] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[00:31:04] <anarchos> so.....i've giving my user root priveledges, i think. but it won't let that user su root[00:31:04] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[00:31:23] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[00:31:27] <seanmcg> anarchos, pfexec bash[00:31:46] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[00:32:02] <tsoome> root is role, check out the roles command output[00:32:08] <lewellyn> pfexec ksh -l[00:32:22] <piwi> so when 134b was ready before 19th ( https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=15581 ) are they working on 134c now, or do heavy testing? i know you dont know it, but this waiting makes me nervous :)[00:32:22] <tsoome> you need to relog that user after you did add role access[00:32:48] <lewellyn> piwi: 134b is done? i heard 134a still isn't![00:33:01] <piwi> i saw it in the bug report[00:33:05] <anarchos> hmm[00:33:11] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:11] <piwi> maybe it was just some kind of internal counting, no idea[00:33:17] *** WireWulf has joined #opensolaris[00:33:33] <lewellyn> piwi: ok. so that consolidation's done with their A stuff already. that doesn't mean the whole wos is[00:33:48] <alanc> and I think that's a typo in the bug report[00:34:11] <piwi> :([00:34:12] <lewellyn> who knows? i'm just here to provide comic relief[00:34:19] * lewellyn sticks a banana peel on the floor[00:34:20] <alanc> most consolidations have built their 134a packages, I think ON is finally ready to do so today[00:34:28] <piwi> hurray :)[00:34:32] <anarchos> so pfexec is kinda like su root, but requires no password if you have the right priveledge?[00:34:33] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[00:34:51] <alanc> and now we can start working on 134b[00:34:52] <lewellyn> the alternative is that i sit here and complain about this: 65% 5998MB 259.1KB/s 3:24:48 ETA[00:34:54] <sstallion_work> smrt: explain lewellyn's purpose[00:34:54] <smrt> Dance, monkey![00:34:59] * jmcp cackles[00:35:00] <jmcp> nice[00:35:00] <lewellyn> :([00:35:00] <anarchos> so even if userXX has root priveldges, he has to type pfexec before any command, other wise he's kinda concidered a regular user?[00:35:16] <lewellyn> anarchos: you've used windows vista/7?[00:35:19] <piwi> or he may execute pfexec su[00:35:39] <tsoome> not every command. the apps integrated with RBAC api does not need pfexec[00:35:41] * sstallion_work takes a bow.[00:35:50] * piwi ducks[00:35:53] <lewellyn> alanc: as long as people get a chance to test it before it's released, life will be ok ;)[00:36:02] <anarchos> lewellyn: nope...i use os x + deb usually[00:36:05] <alanc> for certain definitions of people[00:36:28] <anarchos> ok[00:36:29] <lewellyn> anarchos: ok. it's like that annoying password prompt osx keeps throwing at you[00:36:39] <lewellyn> alanc: by people, i mean me mostly :D[00:36:49] <Spencer_tt> umm people with nothing better to do :D[00:37:11] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: people who get to upgrade lots of machines soon, is what i mean :P[00:37:13] <anarchos> okay cool, i think i kinda get it :)[00:37:34] <Spencer_tt> well as I get to format a drive it will be fun[00:37:38] <lewellyn> anarchos: it pretty much says "run this with the most permissions i have. thanks"[00:37:54] <anarchos> ok[00:37:57] <anarchos> thats kinda cool[00:38:00] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i have real and virtual hardware waiting :)[00:38:06] <Spencer_tt> zpool destroy :D bwaha...[00:38:10] <lewellyn> anarchos: it's very cool when you start doing fine-grained control :)[00:38:10] <Spencer_tt> get the picture[00:39:29] <lewellyn> anarchos: let's say you have JoeBob Noob Grunt who just came onto the IT staff and you want to start him off with simple tasks like software management. just give him the Software Installation profile and he can do that. add more profiles later as needed. :)[00:39:32] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: are the ram requirements up again :)[00:39:57] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: no clue. there aren't release notes. you know as much as i do.[00:40:12] <Spencer_tt> latencytop is interesting :)[00:40:14] *** dalibor has quit IRC[00:40:17] <lewellyn> it is[00:40:23] <lewellyn> and depressing :)[00:40:28] <Spencer_tt> :D[00:40:30] <anarchos> wow, and those are in /etc/security/exec_attr, eh?[00:40:36] <anarchos> that's a lot of profiles![00:41:13] <Spencer_tt> now how about bsd compatibility - is any good making & install bsd programs on 2010[00:41:17] <lewellyn> man usermod[00:41:18] <lewellyn> :)[00:41:19] <seanmcg> anarchos, 'Fine Grained' ;)[00:41:33] <Spencer_tt> or it's limited :p[00:41:58] <lewellyn> tomww: ping?[00:43:59] <anarchos> now my next task...can i add a remote disk using iscsi to my pool?[00:44:19] * lewellyn punts[00:44:20] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[00:44:47] *** fleyta has joined #opensolaris[00:45:03] <fleyta> Who said opensolaris-jobs has no moderator?[00:46:23] <lewellyn> fleyta: i postulated the potential[00:46:49] <lewellyn> alanc: btw, i like how they all start with "IRC" :)[00:46:57] *** yippi has quit IRC[00:47:27] <fleyta> lewellyn: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/website-discuss/2010-April/006478.html[00:47:37] *** Openfree has quit IRC[00:47:38] *** jfisc has quit IRC[00:47:56] <lewellyn> fleyta: i never said there was no moderator. just that i suspected it was one possible case[00:48:03] <lewellyn> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-jobs/2010-April/000036.html[00:48:17] <sstallion_work> heh, I didn't realize there was a -jobs list[00:48:23] <lewellyn> fleyta: remember i have no ties with sun/oracle, so i can speculate just like everyone else :)[00:50:34] *** andersenep has quit IRC[00:51:36] <alanc> lewellyn: yeah, I wondered about that - assume it's something like Internal Recruiter Code[00:51:55] <lewellyn> i didn't wonder as much as snerk[00:54:00] <Spencer_tt> do these Jobs really exist on the opensolaris jobs mail-list or it's just my eyes going for a trip to oracle.com with zero results :p[00:55:00] <CIA-21> Nattuvetty Bhavyan <Nattuvetty.Bhavyan at Sun dot COM>: 6935373 SC3.x/clustered SS7000 FC - Node/cluster panic'ing after takeover from 7000 cluster head[00:55:01] <CIA-21> Jerry Gilliam <Jerry.Gilliam at Sun dot COM>: 6892582 AMD IOMMU doesn't parse IVHD table correctly, 6893913 IOMMU gets device_illegal_req fault, 6904474 Assertion on multi-IOMMU system[00:56:36] <alanc> Spencer_tt: they're in the internal & external jobs database, and as far as I know they're real[00:56:45] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[00:56:58] *** jthunder_ has quit IRC[00:57:21] <alanc> I know there's two new hires down the hall, but they're manager types, so aren't interesting[00:57:37] <Spencer_tt> typical :|[00:57:59] * sstallion_work &[00:58:09] *** jthunder_ has joined #opensolaris[00:58:10] <piwi> since when is pastebin.ca dead?[00:58:34] <lewellyn> piwi: they've always had issues[00:58:35] <alanc> it's been having a lot of downtime lately, but has been up off and on[00:58:58] <lewellyn> i should re-embark on my quest for the perfect pastebin[00:59:09] <piwi> ok, i see, was going to post the list of bugs which are marked as blocker AND tracked in bugster and not closed there[00:59:11] <alanc> I don't know about engineering hires - they could be happening in offices that aren't in the hallway I walk down every day[00:59:16] <fleyta> Connecting to pastebin.ca (pastebin.ca)|208.68.18.97|:80... connected.[00:59:17] <fleyta> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error[00:59:19] <fleyta> 2010-04-22 01:04:18 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.[00:59:37] <lewellyn> piwi: nopaste.info[00:59:48] <lewellyn> it's got the sole benefit of being fast and usually up[00:59:49] <alanc> pastie.org is pretty to look at, but I don't see the expiration options there[01:00:01] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris[01:00:07] <piwi> http://nopaste.info/1f73365bf4.html[01:00:10] <Spencer_tt> alanc: so how might a interested party chase down such job opportunities,[01:00:22] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: follow the link in his email? :)[01:00:34] <lewellyn> piwi: no descriptions :D[01:00:34] <Spencer_tt> oh no more links :)[01:00:36] <piwi> 13 bugs, but i guess some of them will end as not fixed[01:00:46] <alanc> that would be my guess, never having to have applied for a job at Oracle[01:00:52] <piwi> list of bugs which are marked as blocker AND tracked in bugster and not closed there[01:03:03] <Spencer_tt> as long as it's not applying for jobs with paper at least.[01:03:35] <lewellyn> i should set up a pastebin[01:03:45] <Spencer_tt> dropping in is just as effective is it not in this day and age or it's out of fashion?[01:06:08] <alanc> dropping in? you mean showing up at some Oracle building to ask for a job?[01:06:26] <alanc> unlikely you'd know which building to stop at, or who to tell the receptionist you're there to see[01:06:33] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[01:06:38] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[01:06:47] <Spencer_tt> I don't want to know where Oracle is ;)[01:07:14] <lewellyn> or which city's oracle to stop at[01:07:40] <Spencer_tt> maybe a database of city oracles will do :p[01:07:48] <lewellyn> oracle has a crapton of offices from belmont to san jose. and that's just one side of the bay.[01:08:08] *** hunter has quit IRC[01:08:16] <Spencer_tt> throw in sun and that makes a fancy data set[01:08:21] *** hajma has quit IRC[01:08:23] *** corretico has quit IRC[01:08:26] <lewellyn> oh. wait. the one i thought was in belmont is probably in san carlos by a block :P[01:10:33] <lewellyn> but yeah. i guess i'll try to find the time to set up a pastebin for the channel tonight[01:10:36] *** stewart has quit IRC[01:10:50] <lewellyn> maybe even running on an opensolaris host! ;)[01:10:52] <alanc> I did have a relative ask if we'd be moving into the Oracle building he saw by the Oakland airport[01:10:54] *** relling has quit IRC[01:11:08] *** dover has joined #opensolaris[01:11:10] <Spencer_tt> :D[01:11:12] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[01:11:20] <lewellyn> alanc: awesomeness[01:11:21] <alanc> I had to explain that even though there was a huge Oracle logo on the outside, there were no Oracle employees inside, only NBA ones[01:11:27] <lewellyn> yeah[01:11:44] <alanc> though they may end up working for Larry someday anyway 8-)[01:12:03] *** jthunder_ has quit IRC[01:12:03] <Spencer_tt> oh the golden ones[01:12:06] <Spencer_tt> :)[01:12:09] <lewellyn> it's amazing, though, how many downright depressing offices oracle has :([01:12:37] <Spencer_tt> and why is that lewellyn[01:12:41] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[01:12:44] * Spencer_tt pokes[01:13:28] <Spencer_tt> not enough exposure to sun going through their windows?[01:13:48] *** cybernd has quit IRC[01:14:20] * dover chuckles in background :-)[01:14:29] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: you'd not expect oracle to have as many non-descript 1980s business park offices as they do[01:14:54] <Spencer_tt> umm they need upgrades?[01:15:27] <Spencer_tt> this is where Redmond might come in handy[01:15:27] <lewellyn> i suspect many of the ones i've seen are acquisitions they never moved the people to a new office from :)[01:15:29] <Spencer_tt> :D[01:15:36] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[01:15:47] <lewellyn> no, redmond comes in handy for me in 2 hours and 8 minutes[01:16:01] <Spencer_tt> :o[01:16:55] <Spencer_tt> service packs or necessary evil for business continuity?[01:17:36] * lewellyn is a microsoft partner, so it's all necessary evil :)[01:17:58] <Tonnerre> .oO(Service packs are necessary for evil business continuity)[01:18:34] <Spencer_tt> Oo.[01:18:49] <Spencer_tt> hmm different font oops :)[01:19:52] *** JonathanYC has joined #opensolaris[01:19:57] <JonathanYC> Hello :D[01:20:10] <JonathanYC> I have upgraded to b134, and got an error about ICEAuthority and whatnot.[01:20:16] <JonathanYC> I know that this can be fixed, as I read the release notes[01:20:25] <Spencer_tt> ah well when all is said and done I'll go for patented Evil from Apple.[01:20:29] <JonathanYC> However, is it recommended that I just clean-install 134 instead?[01:20:50] <Laidback_01> you know, I didn't have to do any of that stuff when I did the clean-install[01:20:57] <Laidback_01> didn't think about that part.[01:21:10] <Laidback_01> but that was nice - none of the ssh fixes had to be done either.[01:21:15] <JonathanYC> Laidback_01: Is that in response to my question?[01:21:23] <Laidback_01> yeah[01:21:24] <JonathanYC> Just wondering - can get kind of confusing in IRC channels :/[01:21:26] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks :D[01:21:37] <JonathanYC> Yea I'm just worried that something deep inside the system might have been messed up[01:21:47] <JonathanYC> I suppose a clean-install would be safer.[01:21:53] <JonathanYC> Thanks for your insight :D[01:21:55] *** JonathanYC has quit IRC[01:21:56] <Laidback_01> no idea, I'm not an osol expert.[01:22:03] *** Laidback_01 has quit IRC[01:23:05] <Spencer_tt> rm -rf does wonder for me[01:25:18] <Spencer_tt> so did Sun have a secret Chinese buyer lurking in the shadows(joke)[01:26:30] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:26:51] <devians[w]> i only had the iceauthority message, everything else worked fine[01:28:29] *** fleyta has quit IRC[01:29:32] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[01:30:51] *** zazenrasta has joined #opensolaris[01:33:18] *** WireWulf has quit IRC[01:35:24] <anarchos> is there some sort of package manager/repository?[01:35:44] <anarchos> maybe something like apt-get/aptitude? :P[01:36:51] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain pkg[01:36:51] <smrt> The new packaging system in OpenSolaris. See http://www.opensolaris.org/project/pkg For latest pkg bits see also: explain pkg ips-gate , package names[01:36:58] *** Openfree has quit IRC[01:37:03] <lewellyn> anarchos: there's also a gui[01:37:20] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:37:25] <anarchos> no gui here[01:38:25] <anarchos> that link seems to be broken, btw[01:38:28] <anarchos> well, outdated.[01:38:58] <Spencer_tt> check this out http://cr.opensolaris.org/~gman/opensolaris-whats-new-2010-03/#[01:39:09] *** Beket has quit IRC[01:39:25] <lewellyn> anarchos: if you don't use a gui, just use the pkg command and refer to the web site[01:39:31] <lewellyn> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/[01:39:39] <anarchos> thx[01:43:58] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[01:44:38] <alanc> oops, looks like they broke the redirects on www.opensolaris.org[01:45:37] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[01:46:22] <alanc> oh, no, smrt just has a bad link - it's missing the /os/ in the old style names[01:46:41] <alanc> but easy to fix with the new link instead[01:47:13] <alanc> smrt: learn pkg= The new packaging system in OpenSolaris. See http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+pkg/ For latest pkg bits see also: explain pkg ips-gate , package names[01:48:50] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris[01:49:33] <anarchos> whats up with not being able to use grep or more on the output of pkg?[01:50:02] <alanc> anarchos: I've done both (well, less, not more) many times, so it sounds like user error[01:50:08] <Spencer_tt> what line did you use on the shell[01:50:42] <Spencer_tt> pkg -option(s) | grep "yourtext" | less should work[01:51:13] <anarchos> im just typing 'pkg |grep XXXX'[01:51:20] <anarchos> and it displays everything, no matter what :P[01:51:49] <Spencer_tt> do more grepping[01:52:08] <ttys0> anarchos: pkg list or pkg search is more useful[01:52:28] <ottom> anarchos: when you type just 'pkg', that's an error, and the resulting error message goes to stderr rather than stdout[01:52:32] <anarchos> im just trying to read the output of pkg --help, so to soeak[01:53:39] <Spencer_tt> pkg --help | less[01:53:40] <ottom> so do this: pkg --help 2>&1 | less[01:55:00] <ottom> or do 'man pkg' instead[01:55:09] *** piwi has quit IRC[01:58:43] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[01:59:18] *** hunter has quit IRC[01:59:32] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[02:03:39] *** JonathanYC has joined #opensolaris[02:04:04] <JonathanYC> Hello :D[02:04:06] <JonathanYC> I have a question.[02:04:08] *** jcea has left #opensolaris[02:04:18] <JonathanYC> If I am now in 134 beta, will I automatically upgrade to future beta versions?[02:06:08] <Triskelios> on a desktop system, update-manager will inform you if an update is available. you have to explicitly upgrade[02:08:46] <JonathanYC> Thanks for telling me that. :D I'm just confused as to whether the beta 134 pulls from the "dev" repository or whatnot[02:09:20] <Triskelios> yes, it does[02:09:41] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks a bunch :)[02:09:52] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:10:28] <Triskelios> 'pkg publisher' for more info[02:10:47] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[02:11:03] *** projectmoon has left #opensolaris[02:11:33] *** theandromedan has joined #opensolaris[02:12:52] <JonathanYC> OK, I'll take a look.[02:13:08] <Macer> well[02:13:08] <JonathanYC> Ah, I see now.[02:13:09] <JonathanYC> Thanks :D[02:13:11] <Macer> got my n900[02:13:17] * Macer installs opensolaris on it[02:13:18] <Macer> heh[02:13:23] <Spencer_tt> what's that[02:13:30] <Macer> nokia phone[02:13:34] <Macer> kicks... ass :)[02:13:37] <Spencer_tt> :)[02:13:38] <Aria> Nice one too.[02:13:38] *** JonathanYC has quit IRC[02:13:50] <Macer> oh yeah.. it's a beast[02:14:00] <Spencer_tt> got a N95 if only I could get Jeos running on it[02:14:10] <Macer> only one thing i don't like is that the desktop doesn't flip or rotate and there is no intention to get it to[02:14:13] <Spencer_tt> hows osol om the N900[02:14:16] <Macer> most of the stuff stays landscape[02:14:21] <Macer> Spencer_tt: i was joking ;)[02:14:25] <Spencer_tt> lol[02:14:28] <Macer> arm opensolaris is an infant[02:14:40] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[02:14:47] <Spencer_tt> hmm arm[02:15:03] <Spencer_tt> I think zaurus if I here arm[02:15:06] <Macer> omap3[02:15:24] <Spencer_tt> ti?[02:15:25] <Macer> they advertise 1GB of app memory but 784 is swap[02:15:26] <Macer> haha[02:15:35] <Macer> yeah. pretty sure ti makes the omap stuff[02:15:42] <Spencer_tt> lol 784 swap[02:15:56] <Macer> i don't know what they're using but it's pretty good[02:16:01] <Macer> and not like android whre it closes everything[02:16:11] <Spencer_tt> ah today is a nice day - I'm doing virtually nothing[02:16:19] <Macer> it's more like a linux distro. i ustill have my n810.. it's a faster n810 with a newer ui and a phone built into it[02:16:39] <Spencer_tt> 52 Degrees Celsius Core temp[02:17:04] <Spencer_tt> I thought the n900 runs linux :)[02:20:12] <Aria> It's Maemo.[02:20:59] <Spencer_tt> or meego if it's a more recent n900[02:21:50] <Aria> Orly! Interesting[02:22:21] <Spencer_tt> maybe :p[02:22:39] <lewellyn> haha[02:22:40] <lewellyn> Q Will MeeGo use telepathy?[02:22:40] <lewellyn> Yes. MeeGo will use telepathy[02:22:44] <Spencer_tt> it's still linux[02:22:48] <lewellyn> talk about smart devices, eh? :D[02:23:00] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: apparently meego isn't released yet[02:23:04] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[02:24:01] *** Openfree has quit IRC[02:24:23] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris[02:24:50] <Spencer_tt> this page says otherwise http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/[02:24:52] * Openfree is away: I'm busy[02:25:11] <gtirloni> devel uh :)[02:25:58] <lewellyn> devel != release[02:26:18] <lewellyn> "We are planning the project release of MeeGo version 1 in the second quarter of 2010. We expect MeeGo- based products to begin appearing based on OEM and OSV product schedules."[02:26:40] <Spencer_tt> well I look at things differently :)[02:26:55] <Spencer_tt> dev releases are my thing[02:27:02] <Spencer_tt> but not all of them[02:27:18] <gtirloni> you'll do good in opensolaris then ;) </joke>[02:28:21] <Spencer_tt> @127.0.0.1 ;)[02:28:24] <Triskelios> huh, hadn't heard of the Moblin/Maemo merge before... at least they have a fighting chance against Android now ;P[02:29:19] <gtirloni> it looks pretty nice[02:29:31] <Spencer_tt> thanks to Nokia popularity[02:29:42] *** Odin- has quit IRC[02:30:18] *** dalibor has quit IRC[02:31:29] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[02:33:08] * Openfree is back (gone 00:08:25)[02:33:50] <Triskelios> Openfree: please turn off that script, nobody cares[02:34:00] *** pksu has quit IRC[02:37:17] *** felipe_ has quit IRC[02:40:07] *** ozux has quit IRC[02:40:12] *** prappl93 has joined #opensolaris[02:40:38] <prappl93> My computer isn't recognizing my WPA key and is telling me that it is wrong and won't connect. How do I fix this?[02:42:13] *** pksu has joined #opensolaris[02:42:55] <prappl93> The ssid is right, the encryption code is right, and when I paste the key into the fields, it says "Invalid data entered"[02:43:21] <Spencer_tt> create another wifi connection with the same key and see what happens[02:44:12] <prappl93> Spencer_tt: how?[02:44:27] *** wvan has joined #opensolaris[02:44:55] <Spencer_tt> Left click the netowrk icon in the notification area and create a new network[02:45:14] <Spencer_tt> you enter the network name and key id[02:46:03] <Spencer_tt> you have to choose the wireless security option.[02:46:41] <Spencer_tt> last step click -> create.[02:47:26] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:47:42] <prappl93> I didn't have a create thing in that area.[02:47:57] <prappl93> I went to "Join unlisted wireless network" and it did the same thing as the other did[02:48:51] *** wvan is now known as miller-mom[02:50:03] <prappl93> I was just on my router's setup page on the computer, and it says that it is a WPA and WPA2 PSK key... and I have this set to WPA Personal(PSK) and it won't read the key.[02:50:45] <Spencer_tt> can't help you[02:51:01] <Triskelios> what format is the key in? hex or ASCII?[02:51:53] <prappl93> ASCII I believe[02:52:35] *** niq has quit IRC[02:53:27] <lewellyn> prappl93: wpa enterprise?[02:53:41] <prappl93> lewellyn: what?[02:53:54] <lewellyn> is the network using wpa enterprise?[02:54:05] <prappl93> I don't know.[02:54:07] <lewellyn> i'm only half-reading since i'm on the phone[02:54:15] <lewellyn> enterprise isn't yet supported in opensolaris[02:54:30] <prappl93> It probably is then... :|[02:54:35] <prappl93> So, back to Ubuntu I go.[02:54:46] <lewellyn> probably is just speculation[02:54:55] <lewellyn> is this a corporate network?[02:54:58] <prappl93> No.[02:55:00] <lewellyn> (or university)[02:55:01] <CIA-21> jiang.liu at intel dot com: 6942111 CPU hotplug code breaks interrupt round robin algorithm at boot time[02:55:21] <lewellyn> that's about the only places you'll find wpa enterprise[02:55:42] *** miller-mom has quit IRC[02:55:44] <Triskelios> prappl93: it's probably just something funny in the key content[02:55:55] <lewellyn> it could be any number of things[02:56:01] <prappl93> Well, it's not accepting my regular WPA, and I put it in as both WEP Hex and WPA(PSK)[02:56:04] * lewellyn goes back to paying attention to the yammering in his ear[02:56:14] <Triskelios> lewellyn: the message is from the dialog box's key validation[02:56:18] <prappl93> Triskelios: I have the code typed out and it works. I doubt it.[02:56:19] *** falconn19 has joined #opensolaris[02:56:25] <lewellyn> Triskelios: i didn't see a message[02:56:43] <lewellyn> as i said, i'm not paying much attention :)[02:57:15] <lewellyn> oh. one thing that hits me often...[02:57:29] <lewellyn> prappl93: are there non alphanumeric characters in the SSID?[02:57:39] <prappl93> No.[02:57:59] *** syamajala has quit IRC[02:58:04] *** fleers has quit IRC[02:58:40] <prappl93> Again, as I said, back to Ubuntu I go.[02:58:44] *** prappl93 has quit IRC[03:00:11] <freetown2> aw, i missed that[03:00:38] <freetown2> I was going say, enjoy your new Lucid, data trashing ubuntu installer[03:01:34] <Triskelios> people here take the flamebait way too easily[03:01:35] *** _madmax__ has joined #opensolaris[03:01:46] <freetown2> wpa enterprise networks not supported by osol? any time timeline?[03:01:52] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[03:02:07] <lewellyn> freetown2: no clue. i've yet to hear of them working though[03:03:14] <freetown2> is msv2chap supported?[03:03:23] <lewellyn> no clue[03:03:25] *** sk0rd has joined #opensolaris[03:03:33] *** Stellar has quit IRC[03:03:42] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[03:03:42] *** _madmax__ is now known as _madmax_[03:03:48] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[03:04:03] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[03:05:51] <Triskelios> afaik, the missing WPA auth stuff is the result of wpad (our wpa_supplicant fork) not having the cert-related features reimplemented yet[03:08:02] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[03:09:34] <freetown2> EAP-TLS is the only listed method...[03:09:38] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[03:19:43] <anarchos> so i created a block file and shared it with iscsi, and have it successfully mounted on a remote computer. but how do i mount it on the host computer at the same time? "pfexec zfs mount rpool/userhome /userhome" doesnt work[03:19:43] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[03:20:04] <anarchos> zfs list shows it at rpool/userhome but not mounted anywhere[03:21:16] *** e1kg has quit IRC[03:21:38] *** Stellar has quit IRC[03:22:50] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[03:25:04] *** Stellar has quit IRC[03:25:29] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[03:25:48] *** JonathanYC has joined #opensolaris[03:26:08] <JonathanYC> Heh, after clean installing 134, I have forgotten how to set the printer service to CUPS again. :([03:26:12] <JonathanYC> Would anyone mind explaining how?[03:27:36] <JonathanYC> smrt: explain flash[03:27:37] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about flash...[03:29:27] <ttys0> JonathanYC: /usr/sbin/print-services -s cups[03:30:05] *** bendingbranch has joined #opensolaris[03:30:13] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks :D[03:30:22] <bendingbranch> hi anyone have a good way of mounting ext2/3 drives?[03:30:24] <lewellyn> print<TAB> :)[03:30:29] <lewellyn> smrt: explain ext3[03:30:29] <smrt> is the latest version of the Linux filesystem supported in any way, shape, or form on OpenSolaris. If you insist on trying to mount it on OpenSolaris, and have the cajones to deal with catastrophic failure, check out FSWfsmisc, http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/, or SFEext2-fuse. (See also: sfe)[03:30:41] <bendingbranch> there was some round about nfs way but that was slow as hell and untrust worthy[03:30:46] <JonathanYC> ttys0: Unfortunately, the error "No such file or directory" is outputted[03:30:50] <lewellyn> that'd be FSWfsmisc[03:31:05] <lewellyn> your best bet would probably be fuse[03:31:17] <bendingbranch> fuse[03:31:43] <bendingbranch> ok[03:31:57] <bendingbranch> sfeext2-fuse[03:32:00] <ttys0> JonathanYC: is cups installed?[03:32:13] <JonathanYC> ttys0: Ah, right :/ How did I forget[03:32:21] <JonathanYC> Forgot I just clean-installed (ironic, isn't it)[03:32:43] <JonathanYC> I have one more question for you OpenSolaris wizards :D[03:32:52] <JonathanYC> I have copied flash to ~/.mozilla/plugins[03:32:56] <lewellyn> why?[03:33:00] <JonathanYC> And restarted firefox, but the flashplugin still fails to load.[03:33:02] <lewellyn> you can get it from the repo[03:33:08] <JonathanYC> You can? :O[03:33:11] <lewellyn> smrt: explain extra repo[03:33:13] <smrt> "Extra" software which requires licensing and can't be provided as part of OpenSolaris itself. See also: https://pkg.sun.com/ and http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo200906/How+to+Browse+the+Support+and+Extra+Repositories[03:33:23] <JonathanYC> Ha, thanks :D[03:33:42] <lewellyn> grab the fonts while you're there ;)[03:33:50] <bendingbranch> anyone a certified solaris admin?[03:34:15] <JonathanYC> Heh, and btw, cups is already installed, so that can't be why print-service isnt working[03:35:42] <bdha> bendingbranch: Probably a few, why?[03:36:43] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: Unfortunately, that website seems to be down currently.[03:36:54] <JonathanYC> I keep getting errors about python throwing unexpected query string errors[03:37:48] *** wdp has quit IRC[03:38:21] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[03:38:29] <JonathanYC> Anyone have any ideas why print-service might not be working?[03:40:23] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: which site?[03:40:34] <lewellyn> oh. pkg.sun.com?[03:40:38] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: I stopped getting errors now :/ I think it might have been my browser[03:40:47] <JonathanYC> Doing something weird for some unknown reason :D[03:40:56] <ttys0> JonathanYC: btw, did you pfexec the print-service command?[03:41:19] <JonathanYC> Yep[03:41:23] <JonathanYC> I still get a "Command not found" error[03:42:16] <lewellyn> you have print/lp/print-client-commands installed?[03:42:35] <JonathanYC> I'm not sure.[03:42:39] <JonathanYC> I'll go check[03:42:51] *** p3rror has quit IRC[03:44:04] <JonathanYC> Heh, it is installed.[03:44:10] <JonathanYC> "No updates neccessary for this image."[03:44:44] <ttys0> hrmph[03:46:32] *** fleers has joined #opensolaris[03:47:34] <lewellyn> and you don't have /usr/sbin/print-service installed?[03:47:48] <lewellyn> pfexec pkg fix print/lp/print-client-commands # in that case ;)[03:48:17] <JonathanYC> OK, trying that now :/[03:48:54] <JonathanYC> Heh, nothing was outputted and the command still fails :/[03:49:06] <lewellyn> ls -l /usr/sbin/print-service[03:49:41] <lewellyn> so why's it failing? we're not there to answer that ;)[03:49:58] <JonathanYC> Ah![03:50:01] <JonathanYC> A typo in the original command[03:50:10] <JonathanYC> ttys0 put an extra s (services instead of service)[03:50:13] <JonathanYC> Ha, I see now. :D[03:50:17] <JonathanYC> Thanks for all of your guys's help[03:50:23] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[03:50:51] <ttys0> curses, foiled again![03:51:42] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: and i typed it properly a few times ;)[03:51:51] <JonathanYC> Ha, yeah :/[03:51:57] <lewellyn> well, at least twice[03:52:06] <JonathanYC> So the blame rests on me for not spotting it :D[03:52:17] <ttys0> tab completion ;)[03:52:20] <lewellyn> 18:35 @lewellyn: print<TAB> :)[03:52:25] <ttys0> hehehe[03:52:45] *** snuff-work1 has joined #opensolaris[03:52:57] <lewellyn> i'm getting bored of this hold music[03:53:00] *** snuff-work has quit IRC[03:53:03] *** snuff-work1 is now known as snuff-work[03:53:28] <lewellyn> somehow or another i ended up getting to a poor girl in another building from the techs i'm working with and now she's all confused and can't walk over and ask them wtf :([03:53:42] *** felipe_ has joined #opensolaris[03:53:45] <bendingbranch> bdha: considering going for my solaris admin cert[03:53:47] <ttys0> *oof*[03:54:01] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[03:54:17] <lewellyn> i just want to get the tech who's handling this ticket a file so it's there in 4 or 5 hours when he comes in[03:54:50] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[03:54:57] <CIA-21> Ada <Ada.Feng at Sun dot COM>: 6892542 Panic while issuing diag resets during I/O for mptsas device driver, 6943862 DevHandle should not be in default Request Descriptor for SCSI IO RAID Passthru[03:55:13] <lewellyn> heh. getting transferred back. feel bad for her. she could have done something so much more useful.[03:55:31] <bendingbranch> is there a easy way to manage 100s of iscsi targets?[03:55:44] <bendingbranch> considering using it for clients at work rather then windows[03:55:48] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[03:55:53] <bendingbranch> but there doesnt seem to be a good means of managing it[03:55:57] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[03:59:36] <lblume> To whom it may concern: good morning.[04:03:01] <lewellyn> lblume: We regret to inform you that mornings have been downsized.[04:03:39] <lblume> Mornings are an Inalienable Right of the People![04:03:58] <lewellyn> lblume: taiwan's getting rid of them for year 100[04:04:02] <jbk> * void where prohibited[04:05:18] <lblume> lewellyn: Unharmonious rebels.[04:05:36] <lewellyn> meh. china will just make cheaper clones[04:05:59] <lewellyn> i look forward to buying cases of Canned Morning Sun[04:06:14] <lewellyn> (i expect the cans to be dark and smell of roses)[04:06:53] *** andersenep has quit IRC[04:07:19] <lblume> Ingrewdients: edible solar substitute, artificial addittives, may contain traces of nuts and hundred year old egg.[04:09:27] *** theandromedan has quit IRC[04:10:09] *** longcat has joined #opensolaris[04:10:17] <longcat> darn, still not released[04:10:29] <longcat> is it the package renaming fault? is it internal shit?[04:11:06] <longcat> oh well, if it was technical surely it would be public[04:14:41] <lewellyn> longcat: did you see the length of 134's release notes?[04:14:52] <lewellyn> longcat: do you consider that acceptable for a release? ;)[04:19:36] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[04:20:50] *** ttys0 has joined #opensolaris[04:21:07] *** sk0rd has quit IRC[04:21:09] <longcat> the link in the topic? the only thing i see is the smf style package renaming, and bug fixes[04:25:45] *** winstonw has quit IRC[04:25:55] *** ttys0_ has joined #opensolaris[04:26:17] *** falconn19 has quit IRC[04:26:44] <lewellyn> 134 still has the ptmx bug and the iceauthority bug and a few others which would cause issues.[04:27:04] <lewellyn> that and i've personally had about a 5% success rate in image-updating to it from 111b[04:28:37] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[04:33:38] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[04:35:04] <Aria> Wow.[04:35:09] <Aria> Man, I had no trouble.[04:35:15] <Aria> I musta gotten really lucky.[04:37:28] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[04:40:00] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:42:39] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[04:43:19] *** Funk-E has joined #opensolaris[04:46:01] <lewellyn> that or i've been really unlucky[04:46:14] <lewellyn> looks like most of the issues i've had should be fixed for 134a[04:50:52] *** bendingbranch has quit IRC[04:54:13] *** Funk-E has left #opensolaris[04:54:19] <anarchos> hmmm[04:54:28] <anarchos> good stuff :D[04:54:59] <CIA-21> Paul Cheng <Paul.Cheng at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2010/064 EOF of MMS - Media Management System, 6928457 MMS end of feature[04:55:01] <CIA-21> Chris Horne <Chris.Horne at Sun dot COM>: 6675356 multiple invocations of 'modunload -i 0' needed for maximum memory reduction, 6944220 SCSAv3: tgtmap bus_config needs to coordinate attach/hotplug window[04:55:08] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[04:55:25] <anarchos> i have one virtual machine sharing a block file over iscsi and mounted on another virtual machine as /home[04:56:03] <anarchos> now to create 4 or 5 copies of the virtual machine doing the sharing, and then mounting all of them as raid on the other one[04:56:22] *** xapiens has quit IRC[04:56:25] <longcat> g'night.[04:56:26] *** longcat has left #opensolaris[04:56:28] <anarchos> and start switching off virtual machines till it fails[04:58:04] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[04:58:11] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[04:58:45] <JonathanYC> Is CIA a bug report bot?[05:00:01] <snuff-work> no.. its a commit log bot[05:18:41] *** Jondice has quit IRC[05:19:46] *** samc has quit IRC[05:19:59] *** Gman__ has quit IRC[05:24:18] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris[05:27:37] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[05:28:58] *** silas- has quit IRC[05:31:58] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[05:33:30] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[05:33:31] *** somebody_ has joined #opensolaris[05:33:57] <lewellyn> JonathanYC: it reports good news ;)[05:34:43] <JonathanYC> lewellyn: Thanks for explaining, I guess. :O[05:35:04] <JonathanYC> Is "MMS end of feature" good news?[05:35:52] <lewellyn> it's unpublished, but i'd assume so[05:35:53] *** anarchos has quit IRC[05:36:08] *** lattera_ has quit IRC[05:36:38] * lewellyn suspects gdamore would know :)[05:36:58] * gdamore has been invoked.[05:37:14] <lewellyn> gdamore: can you comment on psarc/2010/064?[05:37:27] <gdamore> I don't think anyone was using MMS. So I view its demise as a good thing.[05:37:54] <lewellyn> that was my thought. but i couldn't even remember quite what it did[05:37:56] <gdamore> Of course, if you were using MMS, you might feel differently. :-)[05:38:03] <gdamore> its a tape management system.[05:38:06] <lewellyn> a good sign it's not much-used ;)[05:38:11] <lewellyn> oh yes[05:38:17] <lewellyn> yeah. i never used that[05:39:24] <lewellyn> at least not directly. iirc, legato... er emc... networker does its own media management.[05:39:33] <somebody_> sick[05:39:38] *** somebody_ is now known as anarchos[05:39:40] <anarchos> so sick[05:39:46] <lewellyn> anarchos: ?[05:39:47] <richlowe> all I know about MMS was it induced dependence on, iirc, postgres[05:40:13] <lewellyn> heh. yeah. that's a lame dependency for tape management :P[05:40:28] <bdha> Everything needs a database.[05:40:31] <lewellyn> at least it wasn't db2, eh? :)[05:40:37] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris[05:40:37] <lewellyn> bdha: what's wrong with sqlite? ;)[05:40:40] <bdha> Also.. postgres is good stuff.[05:40:44] <gdamore> a postgres dependency would have spelled its doom for sure.[05:40:50] <lewellyn> postgres is probably overkill[05:41:06] * gdamore wonders how many minutes left until postgres itself is removed from Solaris....[05:41:26] <richlowe> gdamore: haven't you have your fill of unfortunately inflammatory speculation?[05:41:33] <Aria> Heh. Oy.[05:41:47] <lewellyn> richlowe: no. we need /. to find the channel logs :P[05:41:51] <gdamore> just idle speculation....[05:42:01] * gdamore things he should log off now.[05:42:03] <anarchos> lewellyn: two virtual machines sharing a drive (really block file) with iscsi, another virtual machine using those remote disks in a mirrored zpool to store the /home directory, and when i kill the power on one of the storage virtual machines, it just keeps ticking =)[05:42:11] <anarchos> hence the sick comment :P[05:42:17] <lewellyn> gdamore: how long before you propose removing sqlite in favor of bdb? ;)[05:42:27] <gdamore> uh, never.[05:42:43] <lewellyn> but bdb is oracle tech, sqlite isn't! ;)[05:42:48] <gdamore> I don't really care about databases.... that might have a limiting effect on my career here....[05:43:54] <gdamore> i'm a bit depressed right now about Oracle anyway... can't really go into details. I need a vacation. Or something exciting to work on again.[05:44:02] <gdamore> Or both.[05:44:05] <anarchos> but i can't figure out how to remount the one disk after i took it off line[05:44:13] <lewellyn> both is probably ideal :)[05:44:17] <anarchos> because it was just mounted when i created it[05:44:44] <anarchos> if i try to mount it again it tells me its already mounted because of the other disk in the mirror....[05:44:54] * lewellyn wishes he had something exciting to throw at gdamore :P[05:44:56] <anarchos> or do i have to add it again?[05:45:16] <lewellyn> anarchos: zpool status[05:45:30] <lewellyn> i don't do iscsi, so i can't really help much with iscsi issues[05:45:32] <lblume> lewellyn: Improved H.264 encoding performance![05:45:59] <anarchos> shows it as unavailabe[05:46:00] * snuff-work hopes gdamore isn't stuck with another 3 FC/IB/10gbe fraken-devices to code up[05:46:16] <gdamore> still working on the same one actually... for some value of "working"[05:46:16] <lewellyn> lblume: i'm more interested in why WDS isn't feeding 64-bit images to vbox if the guest has > 680 MB RAM[05:46:19] <anarchos> maybe just a zpool add might do it[05:46:33] <gdamore> i still need to finish sun ray audio, I suppose.[05:46:36] <richlowe> gdamore: stick with the planes.[05:46:40] <lewellyn> anarchos: the os probably needs to be told it's back[05:46:55] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[05:47:00] <anarchos> lewellyn: think i should do that with zpool add?[05:47:06] <lewellyn> probably not[05:47:20] <lewellyn> again, i don't know enough about iscsi to advise on a course of action[05:47:21] <anarchos> or is there some kinda "imback" command? ;)[05:47:27] <jbk> i just hope the acquisiton doesn't drive more people to linux...[05:47:36] * jbk is going to be very depressed if he ends up having to admin it again[05:48:02] <lewellyn> the way things are going, it looks like i have a client looking at moving away from oracle db + solaris[05:48:12] <lewellyn> probably to db2 + linux[05:48:15] <gdamore> jbk: a lot of people think the Linux administrative model/userland is the future.[05:48:24] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[05:48:24] <jbk> that's unfortunate[05:48:26] <jbk> since it's crap[05:48:32] <jbk> and a nightmare to admin[05:48:47] <jbk> i would argue that it's worse than windows at this point[05:48:55] <lewellyn> jbk: it certainly is[05:49:13] <lewellyn> you can actually sanely admin windows servers these days, unlike $insertlinuxdistro[05:49:15] <lblume> Let's all hope that Windows Server 2012 will be SUSv3 compliant.[05:49:24] <jbk> our IT director keeps asking about linux[05:49:25] <lewellyn> lblume: 2008r2 is[05:49:40] <jbk> however given the amount of problems one of our peers had going from solaris->linux (running oracle's ebusiness suite)[05:49:50] <lblume> lewellyn: POSIX or SUS?[05:49:59] <jbk> plus oracle's announcement that solaris is the 'enterprise' os, that'll be enough to keep him away[05:50:04] <lewellyn> i haven't run the full susv3 test suite, but it looks like sus[05:50:13] <gdamore> IIRC, Oracle has pretty much their full suite available on Linux as well as Solaris.[05:50:29] <jbk> yes it does[05:50:30] <lewellyn> lblume: it's svr5, after all[05:50:40] <jbk> but getting everything to all work and work well is horrific[05:51:01] <lewellyn> ok. gf is home. dinnertime![05:51:10] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[05:51:11] * gdamore wonders idly if he should go back to hacking on NetBSD for fun.[05:51:43] <jbk> oracle places a lot of stress on the OS, linux doesn't always deal with it that well, but then you have issues with finding not only a 'supported' hw + distro platform[05:51:50] <jbk> but finding an actual stable one as well[05:51:52] <bdha> gdamore: dlg might have another suggestion. ;-)[05:52:04] <gdamore> heh, he probably does. :-)[05:52:04] *** silas- has joined #opensolaris[05:52:12] <jbk> and you lose all sorts of visibility into what's going on[05:52:25] <jbk> which makes it easier for the dba to blame all the problems on the hardware and the os =][05:52:38] <jbk> (which they always do before actually looking at the crappy sql)[05:52:42] <snuff-work> dba's would never config a db wrong.. *cough*[05:52:56] <jbk> it's not even that[05:53:04] <jbk> even oracle produces horrible sql[05:53:19] <Aria> Sells more hardware.[05:53:20] <jbk> which can require some contortions to make it work well[05:53:21] <Aria> More hardware = more licenses.[05:53:42] <snuff-work> i hate bad sql.. especially if its BAD and is going to be run on large datasets from the outset[05:53:58] <Aria> Gah, me too.[05:54:11] <jbk> but i'm hoping that the amount of consolidation we've done with zones, if they did move to linux, would negate any savings because of not being able to consolidate to such a high degree[05:54:18] * snuff-work goes gets some lunch[05:54:19] <jbk> which would keep them from moving[05:54:38] *** Stellar has quit IRC[05:54:56] <CIA-21> bo zhou - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Bo.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6931570 Add flash devices' VID/PID to disk table to advertising 4K physical sector size., 6930150 sd should support zfs to send physical block size aligned I/O to FMODs in emulation mode, 6927876 For 4k sector support, ZFS needs to use DKIOCGMEDIAINFOEXT[05:55:06] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[05:55:10] <dizko> what's the best way to remove parent zfs datasets and keep a child?[05:55:37] <dizko> like move d from a/b/c/d to z/d[05:55:39] * jbk should just find a new career =][05:55:51] <jbk> unfortunately, i doubt most would pay as well...[05:56:50] <anarchos> hmm apparently you have to "devfsadm -i iscsi' and then 'zpool online <pool> <device>'[05:56:55] <anarchos> i need to automate that somehow[05:57:29] <anarchos> that's pretty cool though[05:58:08] *** wrapster has left #opensolaris[06:00:28] <jmcp> dizko: moving to a new pool, or just to a different toplevel dataset?[06:00:47] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[06:01:56] <dizko> in this case just to a different toplevel one[06:02:27] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[06:02:27] <dizko> i had done a zfs send of my home directory and then imported it on a different machine, and now i have like rpool/backup/export/home/user[06:02:37] <dizko> just want to move user to somewhere in /rpool[06:04:13] <dizko> ideally without copying all the data. i assume i can make it happen with a clone somehow[06:05:21] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[06:05:59] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[06:08:50] *** darrenb` has quit IRC[06:09:37] <Andys^> dizko: symbolic link? ;)[06:10:57] <richlowe> zpool rename?[06:10:59] <richlowe> uh, zfs rename[06:12:26] <jmcp> yeah, zfs rename is what you want[06:12:34] *** muthu has joined #opensolaris[06:13:24] <anarchos> anyone know offhand the minimum number of disks for raidz?[06:13:54] *** silas- has quit IRC[06:14:38] *** aruntomar has joined #opensolaris[06:18:33] <Aria> 3 for raidz1[06:23:22] *** somebody_ has joined #opensolaris[06:23:22] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[06:23:26] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[06:24:50] *** anarchos has quit IRC[06:30:37] *** somebody_ has quit IRC[06:33:26] *** prg3 has quit IRC[06:33:33] *** prg3 has joined #opensolaris[06:34:55] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[06:35:58] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[06:42:44] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[06:46:05] *** silas- has joined #opensolaris[06:46:16] <dizko> yea, zfs rename is totally what i wanted, thanks[06:47:39] *** JonathanYC has quit IRC[06:50:52] <Macer> hm[06:51:05] <Macer> still tinkering with this N900[06:56:45] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[06:56:54] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[06:57:48] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[06:58:07] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[06:58:18] *** sunfun has quit IRC[06:58:23] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[06:59:03] *** muthu has quit IRC[06:59:39] *** sunfun has joined #opensolaris[07:00:25] *** silas- has quit IRC[07:02:55] *** somebody has joined #opensolaris[07:02:56] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[07:03:02] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[07:04:32] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[07:12:59] *** somebody_ has joined #opensolaris[07:13:46] *** somebody has quit IRC[07:14:25] *** tg has quit IRC[07:14:52] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[07:15:20] *** merzo has quit IRC[07:21:11] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[07:23:41] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[07:26:34] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[07:27:15] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[07:27:39] <msbhvn> any way to install packages when in the livecd environment?[07:27:57] <msbhvn> and is defect.opensolaris.org down for everyone else?[07:31:20] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:31:45] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:35:06] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[07:35:12] *** aruntomar has quit IRC[07:36:03] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[07:36:25] *** aruntomar has joined #opensolaris[07:36:28] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[07:36:31] <msbhvn> there's something about how pkgs can be installed to / in the livecd[07:37:10] <msbhvn> but not /usr, wonder if I can change the path..[07:37:25] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[07:39:47] *** somebody_ has quit IRC[07:41:36] *** dover has quit IRC[07:43:13] *** silas- has joined #opensolaris[07:44:53] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[07:47:11] *** dover has joined #opensolaris[07:50:19] <devians[w]> are there any nice opensolaris tools for managing users? non gui[07:50:38] <lewellyn> webmin (there's a lynx-friendly skin)[07:54:59] <CIA-21> Sree Vemuri <sree.lakshmi.vemuri at oracle dot com>: 6923030 NOTICE: ds_get_hv_pri failed: 0x1 is seen on LDOM guest booting[07:55:00] <CIA-21> jmcp <James.McPherson at Sun dot COM>: 6593513 make nightly -O cheaper[07:55:22] *** silas- has quit IRC[07:55:49] <lattera> ewwww, webmin[07:55:54] *** ganbold_ has quit IRC[07:56:08] <lewellyn> jmcp: i'll save the two-dollar whore jokes for next time :)[07:56:13] *** merzo has quit IRC[07:56:17] <lewellyn> lattera: don't knock it. it has pretty good solaris support[07:56:37] <lattera> and a pretty good history of pwnage[07:56:39] <lewellyn> lattera: not only that, it makes smf easier to visualize for new admins[07:56:49] <lewellyn> i didn't say to make it visible to the world...[07:57:13] * lewellyn tends to proxy webmin from an ssl web server with user auth[07:57:36] *** Edgeman has joined #opensolaris[07:59:06] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[07:59:46] <madwizard> Coffee[08:00:29] <alanc> msbhvn: they moved defect.opensolaris.org today and it's been down a lot - I could get to it for a bit this afternoon, but not the last few hours[08:02:56] *** Mace_N900 has joined #opensolaris[08:08:54] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[08:08:54] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[08:09:38] <devians[w]> hrm, having a bit of an issue with cifs. i've just created a new user, given them a password, but it wont let me log in as that user from a windows machine. i can however, log in as that user through ssh[08:09:54] <devians[w]> i have the pam module for cifs added, so it should be fine...[08:10:37] <lewellyn> devians[w]: 111b?[08:10:44] <devians[w]> the windows machine can log in fine if i log in with say, my own user.[08:10:52] <devians[w]> 134[08:11:30] <lewellyn> there goes my easy solution :P[08:11:56] <devians[w]> dmesg is saying wrong password. hrm[08:12:27] *** agrajag has joined #opensolaris[08:15:16] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[08:17:22] <jamesd2> devians did you join the domain/workgroup on opensolaris?[08:18:00] * lewellyn thinks he finally solved his issue with that win2k domain and opensolaris[08:18:12] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[08:19:49] <devians[w]> jamesd2 yes, its joined to a workgroup[08:20:18] <jamesd2> then did you reset the users password after joining the workgroup?[08:21:07] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[08:21:26] <timeless_mbp> dduvall: so, what's the story w/ defect.opensolaris.org?[08:21:30] <devians[w]> jamesd2 yep[08:21:41] <devians[w]> this is a user that wasnt even around pre cifs setup[08:22:34] <jamesd2> and you installed the pam module?[08:22:40] <devians[w]> yes[08:24:06] <timeless_mbp> jamesd: hey, do people know why d.o.o is unhappy?[08:24:12] <jamesd2> try reseting the password... because those instructions work for me, i have a b134 server but i have been using it for a while... with xp, 2k3, vista 32 and 64bit, no issues,[08:24:16] <lewellyn> 23:05 @alanc: msbhvn: they moved defect.opensolaris.org today and it's been down a lot - I could get to it for a bit this afternoon, but not the last few hours[08:24:20] <lewellyn> timeless_mbp: that? :)[08:24:22] <jamesd2> d.o.o.?[08:25:05] <alanc> initial downtime was posted to osol-announce, later updates to website-discuss today[08:26:47] *** leito has quit IRC[08:27:29] *** silas- has joined #opensolaris[08:27:42] *** wdp has quit IRC[08:29:50] <timeless_mbp> alanc: yeah i'm on website-discuss[08:30:06] <timeless_mbp> the last message i have is from joanmarie diggs 2hrs ago[08:30:21] <timeless_mbp> and it indicated /some/ ability to do something[08:30:22] <alanc> yeah, no clue why it's back down - haven't seen anything but that[08:30:24] <timeless_mbp> i can't connect at all[08:31:01] *** sunfun has quit IRC[08:32:12] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:32:27] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[08:32:33] <lewellyn> smrt: explain history of unix[08:32:34] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about history of unix...[08:32:40] <lewellyn> hm. i should correct that...[08:32:52] <lewellyn> (no bonus points if you know what i'll link!)[08:33:26] <alanc> "In the beginning there was Richie, and he said, "Let there be C!"..."[08:33:38] <lewellyn> nope :)[08:34:03] <alanc> then probably something boring like the giant Unix family tree chart[08:34:11] <lewellyn> nope! :D[08:34:56] <alanc> "See joerg. He was there, and will happily tell you all about it."[08:35:14] <lewellyn> smrt: learn history of unix=http://panda.com/tops-20/history-of-unix.txt[08:35:20] <devians[w]> jamesd2 yeah i've reset the password a few times, no love[08:35:36] <lewellyn> that tops-20 in the url should raise an eyebrow ;)[08:36:02] <alanc> wasn't TOPS one of Sun's first acquisitions?[08:36:16] <lewellyn> was it? that's ancient history :P[08:36:51] <lewellyn> "Then one evening Unix watched television, an event which would change its life."[08:36:56] <palowoda> I firmly believe Bozo the clown had a lot to do with the progression of Unix.[08:36:57] <lewellyn> one of my favorite sentences from that history[08:37:26] <causality> good morning[08:37:34] <alanc> oh, hrm, TOPS-20 was DEC - wonder what I was thinking of[08:37:59] *** dalibor has quit IRC[08:38:08] <lewellyn> yeah. that's why i was unsure whether it ended up in sun's stable. but it certainly lost relevance by the mid-80s[08:38:20] <jamesd2> devians[w], and your clients are in the same workgroup that you joined?[08:39:37] <devians[w]> hrm. *checks* nope, different workgroup. i'll change it and test again[08:39:55] <devians[w]> man i love tinyxp. so friggin quick to shutdown/reboot[08:40:18] <oninoshiko> i firmly believe clowns are creapy[08:41:19] <lattera> "Soon Unix had the mass of Andre the Giant, the body of the Elephant[08:41:19] <lattera> Man, and the mind of a forgotten Jack Nicholson character."[08:41:20] <lattera> rofl[08:41:21] *** sunfun has joined #opensolaris[08:41:24] <alanc> oh, I was right - it was TOPS, not TOPS-20: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOPS_%28file_server%29[08:41:40] <devians[w]> jamesd2 ok they're on the same workgroup, no love[08:42:09] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[08:42:29] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:43:43] <lewellyn> alanc: ugh. thanks for reminding me of that :P[08:44:16] <lewellyn> i was so happy when apple started shipping their own localtalk ip encapsulator/decapsulator[08:44:20] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[08:44:36] <lewellyn> that wasn't till like 7.5 though :P[08:44:37] <alanc> bad flashbacks are always free[08:45:19] * lewellyn passes around some acid[08:45:22] <lewellyn> oh wait. this isn't #bsd[08:45:53] *** aruntomar has quit IRC[08:48:30] *** silas- has quit IRC[08:48:37] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[08:48:41] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[08:50:10] *** aruntomar has joined #opensolaris[08:51:13] *** derpalerts has joined #opensolaris[08:52:06] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:52:25] *** lattera has quit IRC[08:52:45] *** steinberg has joined #opensolaris[08:53:27] *** Aria has quit IRC[08:53:42] *** derpalerts has left #opensolaris[08:54:05] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[08:54:08] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[08:54:20] *** Jondice has quit IRC[08:55:57] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[08:56:46] *** aruntomar has quit IRC[08:57:46] *** gothos has joined #opensolaris[08:57:50] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[09:00:34] *** twisti has quit IRC[09:00:48] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[09:01:09] *** aruntomar has joined #opensolaris[09:01:31] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[09:02:09] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[09:03:17] <palowoda> lewellyn: You mentioned raccoons a couple of days ago. 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6831378 should do better error handling[09:55:05] <CIA-21> Gavin Maltby <Gavin.Maltby at Sun dot COM>: 6935519 raise telemetry for failed scsa-initiated enumeration commands[09:56:49] <mui> oo[09:56:53] <mui> 138 commit_to_fixes[09:57:08] <mui> and fixed in 139 o.o[09:57:12] <mui> hms[09:59:53] <madwizard> Coffee[10:01:58] <causality> hi madwizard ![10:02:07] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[10:03:50] *** mavhk has joined #opensolaris[10:04:30] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[10:05:24] *** WormDrink has quit IRC[10:06:08] *** mavhc has quit IRC[10:06:12] *** mavhc has joined #opensolaris[10:07:05] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[10:07:31] *** mavhq has quit IRC[10:07:45] *** Phenox_ has joined #opensolaris[10:07:54] *** afrasi has joined #opensolaris[10:08:24] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[10:08:40] <devians[w]> can anyone spot anything wrong with the output of cifs-gendiag here: http://pastebin.com/Bv7YaVsU ? for some reason it wont let anyone log in to cifs except the joshua 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Dont know about 134, i am on 131 still. I have to be..[12:30:54] <tehhobbit> does osol have a preempt scheduler ?[12:31:15] <kjetilho> anyone here seen problems with ISC DHCP relay and ILOM requests?[12:31:28] <madwizard> tehhobbit: I think yes, all six are[12:32:08] <tehhobbit> only use (o)sol on servers so tend to stay away from it[12:32:40] <kjetilho> I don't understand why, but the DISCOVER and OFFER phases are forwarded, but the following REQUEST from the ILOM is dropped for some reason[12:32:57] <kjetilho> other DHCP clients work fine...[12:35:17] <tehhobbit> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/21/ken_thompson_take_our_test/ LOL[12:35:59] *** hsp has quit IRC[12:37:12] *** aruntomar has joined #opensolaris[12:43:42] *** solar_sea has joined #opensolaris[12:44:57] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[12:44:58] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[12:47:01] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[12:47:31] <kjetilho> ok, found my problem: ILOM doesn't pad its DHCP packets, and dhcrelay won't extend the packets with the bytes required for relaying information.[12:48:04] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris[12:50:17] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:50:18] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[12:50:22] <phil_> kjetilho: i know osol dhcp client was not working with openbsd 4.4 - http://www.openbsd.org/errata44.html bug #6[12:50:34] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[12:51:15] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[12:51:40] *** aruntomar has left #opensolaris[12:53:28] <noxis> are there any performance problems when having millions of files in the same dir with zfs ?[12:54:18] <Stric> yes. same as with any other filesystem. listing them will take ages[12:54:43] <noxis> other than that?[12:54:52] <kjetilho> it's actually (often) worse in ZFS[12:54:54] <noxis> anything access it will know precisly the path[12:55:00] *** Guest16916 is now known as cmecca[12:55:01] <kjetilho> since the directory file will tend to be more fragmented[12:55:02] <noxis> wont ever try to list[12:55:06] *** cmecca has quit IRC[12:55:06] *** cmecca has joined #opensolaris[12:55:20] <Stric> noxis: then there shouldn't be too bad[12:55:27] <noxis> ok[12:55:33] <noxis> the files are all 3mb - 50mb[12:55:57] <Stric> impossible to hash directory path?[12:56:02] <kjetilho> ignore what I just said. :-p[12:56:05] <seanmcg> at least you can have millions.. ufs only allows for 32768 - 1[12:56:24] <kjetilho> seanmcg: no, that's subdirectories[12:56:42] <Stric> (and hard links, which is the same reason)[12:56:43] <seanmcg> kjetilho, yup, you're right.[12:56:48] <noxis> Stric: probably will have to - but i am trying to provide a quick solution to a problem first[12:57:49] <seanmcg> I'll rephrase, at least you can have millions.. ufs only allows for #inodes or so.[12:58:05] <Stric> noxis: there was a thread on zfs-discuss earlier this year about someone who had babizillions of files in a directory...[12:58:15] <noxis> thats alright then[12:58:23] <noxis> we are never gonna hit "babizillions"[12:58:29] <Stric> seanmcg: and with millions of 50MB files, that means >1T, so then inode size goes up and you're screwed again[12:58:57] *** tg has quit IRC[12:59:10] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[12:59:15] <Stric> I tried using a >1T UFS and gave up.[12:59:35] <seanmcg> yes Stric, the inode idea isn't great in this day of terabyte disks. Hits other non-solaris filesystems too[13:01:21] <Stric> hm. actually.. having millions of large files should work.. millions of small files won't.. since inode size goes to min 1MB at >1T FS.. but it won't be fun anyway[13:05:40] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[13:06:55] <nikolam> lustre?[13:08:33] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[13:08:36] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[13:10:26] *** dorvan83 has joined #opensolaris[13:12:34] <madwizard> Coffee[13:13:15] <dorvan83> hi to all, i've a problem on opensolaris b134, with the network interface i have on my machine, are broadcom driver (bnx) interfaces...[13:14:36] <dorvan83> are 4 nics and are configured 2 on a subnet and two on other subnet, no aliasing o vlan multiple ip, are used as iscsi target interfaces.[13:15:40] <dorvan83> but opensolaris decide to lock 2 interfaces (random, and in random time) and leave only 2 random working interfaces...[13:15:58] <ivo_> <dorvan83>[13:16:03] <ivo_> I use 3 Intel interfaces[13:16:13] <ivo_> and also have some problems with bandwidth[13:16:23] <ivo_> :([13:16:41] <dorvan83> eh... e1000g?[13:16:48] <ivo_> yes[13:17:47] <ivo_> Ihave three of this[13:17:47] <ivo_> Intel® PRO/1000 PT Single Port Server Adapter[13:17:52] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[13:18:00] <dorvan83> i've already tried... with addon cards, and i found problems... but not interface lock..[13:18:21] <dorvan83> but the bandwidth is instable...[13:18:31] <ivo_> hmm I am thnking about just using the on board NICs[13:18:36] <ivo_> also Intel[13:18:53] <dorvan83> i'm using 4 onboard broadcom gbe[13:19:08] <ivo_> I use this board[13:19:08] <ivo_> Intel® S3210SHLC[13:19:18] <ivo_> hmm[13:19:20] <ivo_> stange[13:19:35] <ivo_> is broadcom really supported on osol?[13:19:35] <dorvan83> yes...[13:19:46] <dorvan83> seems...[13:20:13] <dorvan83> hp have the i386 driver on website... in osol there are the same but x64 driver[13:20:14] <ivo_> When I copy large junks of information[13:20:23] <dorvan83> me also...[13:20:37] <mui> umm[13:20:38] <ivo_> the system locks[13:20:41] <mui> how I can recreate /dev/null?[13:20:45] <dorvan83> i've a 2008R2 hyper-v cluster with osol as comstar storage[13:21:05] <mui> I've lost mine.[13:21:07] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[13:21:17] <mui> # ls -l /dev/null[13:21:17] <mui> ls: cannot access /dev/null: No such file or directory[13:21:24] <mui> this causes, some, issues.[13:21:48] <dorvan83> mui: http://www.mysysad.com/2007/08/recreate-devnull-link-using-devlinks.html[13:22:38] <ivo_> <dorvan83> if you find a solution PM me please[13:22:41] <ivo_> I have to go now[13:23:11] <dorvan83> ok ivo[13:23:18] <dorvan83> but ivo[13:23:28] <dorvan83> you have virtualbox installed?[13:23:35] <ivo_> yes[13:23:48] <tsoome> devfsadm is just enough to run for missing devices:P[13:23:58] <ivo_> I am running XP and Ubuntu the whole time in VB[13:24:09] <mui> # devfsadm[13:24:09] <mui> devfsadm: cannot create link: /dev/null -> ../devices/pseudo/mm@0:null. max attempts exceeded[13:24:12] <mui> hmm[13:24:26] <tsoome> ls -l /dev/null ?[13:24:41] <mui> # devlinks[13:24:41] <mui> devlinks: cannot create link: /dev/null -> ../devices/pseudo/mm@0:null. max attempts exceeded[13:24:44] <tsoome> your / or /dev is read only?[13:24:54] <mui> nope[13:26:04] <dorvan83> ivo_ i think is the virtual box drivers the problem[13:27:01] <Stric> mui: cd /dev;ln -s ../devices/pseudo/mm@0:null null then?[13:32:10] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:33:09] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[13:33:29] <mui> ln: creating symbolic link `null': No such file or directory[13:34:53] <Stric> umm.[13:36:28] <mui> yes[13:37:43] <mui> ln -s ../devices/pseudo/mm@0:null null2[13:37:48] <mui> # ls -l null2[13:37:48] <mui> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 22 14:41 null2 -> ../devices/pseudo/mm@0:null[13:37:57] <mui> hmmz[13:39:52] *** PatrickS has quit IRC[13:43:05] *** yalu has left #opensolaris[13:46:26] <mui> I believe fs is somehow fucked up[13:46:34] <mui> great job[13:46:37] <winstonw> xD[13:46:38] <winstonw> scrub it[13:46:42] <mui> doing it already[13:46:44] <winstonw> ah[13:49:32] *** gtirloni has quit IRC[13:49:57] *** kevinw has quit IRC[13:50:03] <mui> hmm[13:50:08] <winstonw> how'd it go?[13:50:12] <mui> is touch /reconfigure still feasible?[13:50:16] <mui> errors: No known data errors[13:50:18] <mui> 76%[13:50:57] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[13:53:12] <winstonw> huh, some other people have had issues like this[13:54:22] <winstonw> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=271702 if you have not looked atthat yet[13:55:03] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[13:56:19] <mui> phew[13:56:21] <mui> recreated /dev[13:56:23] *** bitblt has joined #opensolaris[13:56:23] <mui> works naw[13:56:49] *** bitblt_ has joined #opensolaris[14:01:06] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[14:04:01] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[14:14:00] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[14:14:02] *** tg has quit IRC[14:14:47] <winstonw> what a relief! :-D[14:15:00] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[14:15:01] <winstonw> I remember reading a collection of UNIX horror stories, some funny ones about people removing /dev/null[14:15:29] *** braqoon has joined #opensolaris[14:15:59] <dorvan83> hi to all, i've a problem on opensolaris b134, with the network interface i have on my machine, are broadcom driver (bnx) interfaces...[14:16:15] <dorvan83> are 4 nics and are configured 2 on a subnet and two on other subnet, no aliasing o vlan multiple ip, are used as iscsi target interfaces.[14:16:29] <dorvan83> but opensolaris decide to lock 2 interfaces (random, and in random time) and leave only 2 random working interfaces...[14:16:35] <braqoon> Hi, I have LSI Logic 20160LP SCSI U160 card which fails to load on opensolaris 2009. Does anyone have any luck with that card ?[14:19:05] <CosmicDJ> braqoon: did you run the device detection utility on the livecd?[14:19:49] <braqoon> um, i didn't install this[14:19:57] <braqoon> this card is to be used for tape drive[14:20:09] <braqoon> prtconf sees this card[14:21:08] <braqoon> yet i can't find anything on google usefull for this model[14:21:10] <mui> dorvan83: what you mean by lock? they stop working?[14:22:19] <jbit> braqoon: 20160lp isn't in the hcl, so there's a good chance there just isn't a driver for it[14:22:49] *** sk0rd has joined #opensolaris[14:22:59] <braqoon> damn[14:23:18] <jbit> there migth be a third party or solaris driver for it though[14:23:59] <jbit> http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/host_bus_adapters/scsi_hbas/lsi20160/index.html[14:24:07] <jbit> "For Solaris 10, Sun provides a built-in driver for LSI SAS and SCSI adapters.[14:24:11] <jbit> Installation of an LSI driver is not required.[14:24:13] <jbit> "[14:24:31] <braqoon> hmm[14:25:06] <jbit> so there's a good chance it is supported, you just have to do something odd[14:25:19] <braqoon> he he yeah[14:25:44] <braqoon> i got solaris driver for it, but still no luck in running this under it[14:25:52] <braqoon> looks like i need to play a bit more[14:26:14] <jbit> braqoon: do you have SUNWckr packg installed? seems like that's the driver package for it[14:26:16] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[14:26:30] <braqoon> jbit: let me check[14:26:32] <jbit> although i think you'd have bigger issues if you don't have that installed :)[14:27:05] <jbit> a better question would probably be... do you have /kernel/drv/mpt[14:27:23] <braqoon> i do[14:27:28] <jbit> dmesg | grep mpt[14:27:31] <jbit> does it show anything?[14:27:51] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[14:28:05] <braqoon> jbit: nope[14:28:14] <jbit> hrm[14:28:22] <jbit> i've ran out of ideas :)[14:28:51] <braqoon> no problem, thanks anyway[14:29:06] *** _madmax__ has joined #opensolaris[14:31:47] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[14:33:04] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[14:33:34] *** xulfer has joined #opensolaris[14:33:43] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[14:33:58] *** ThePickle has joined #opensolaris[14:35:21] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[14:35:27] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[14:35:45] <effnorwood> coffee![14:37:18] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[14:37:56] *** Israel_Miranda has joined #opensolaris[14:38:09] <Okona> espresso![14:41:46] *** kevinw has joined #opensolaris[14:43:11] <lblume> Noodles![14:43:18] *** _madmax__ has quit IRC[14:43:21] <causality> chicken?[14:44:38] <lblume> No, pork, seaweeds bamboo shoots, egg.[14:48:23] <lblume> Is there any proper tool to do h264 encoding? I've tried with ffmpeg & mencoder, both use libx264, but the result doesn't work in totem with the Fluendo codecs (stay stuck on the first frame, or sometimes goes forward with nothing shown[14:48:30] <CosmicDJ> I' mailing with a chick, does that count, too? ;)[14:48:54] <CosmicDJ> +m[14:50:07] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[14:51:30] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[14:54:09] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[14:55:03] <CIA-21> James Hall <James.Hall at Sun dot COM>: 6915045 The second soft partitions' metainit creates 2 duplicate entries in metastat and md.cf, 6809887 Metaset output for OBAN diskset truncates host name if host name exceeds 17 characters, 6624259 Soft partitions on simple volume cannot be removed after metareplace[14:56:10] *** jayne has quit IRC[14:56:11] *** Hunner has quit IRC[14:57:02] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[14:58:48] *** charlieS has quit IRC[14:59:11] *** clee has quit IRC[14:59:25] *** odyi has quit IRC[14:59:43] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[14:59:59] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[15:00:08] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[15:00:31] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[15:01:01] *** PrestonConnors has joined #opensolaris[15:01:38] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:02:52] *** Openfree^ has joined #opensolaris[15:03:29] <PrestonConnors> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ seems to be pulling up a blank HTML page; anyone else experiencing this?[15:03:45] *** charlieS has joined #opensolaris[15:04:00] *** jayne has joined #opensolaris[15:04:59] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[15:05:37] *** clee has joined #opensolaris[15:05:55] *** Hunner has joined #opensolaris[15:06:19] *** Killsudo has quit IRC[15:06:39] *** twisti has quit IRC[15:08:24] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[15:09:32] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[15:09:46] *** sambagirl has joined #opensolaris[15:09:57] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:09:57] <sambagirl> morning do you think i can run open solaris on this platform? http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=254916&prodTypeId=15351&objectID=c00409170[15:10:12] <sambagirl> this guy asked me about it[15:10:54] <mui> if you have enough ram, you might be able to run crippled 32bit version[15:11:22] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[15:11:51] <sambagirl> i tried some linux distrros lastnite with him but the scsi array is not recognized.[15:11:58] <sambagirl> i dont know an ything about this thing.[15:12:26] <sambagirl> does wine work in opensolaris btw?[15:12:37] <sambagirl> or is there an alternative?[15:12:54] <sambagirl> i would presume virtualbox works in it[15:13:14] <lewellyn> Andys^: i wasn't around earlier, just skimmed backscroll. did anyone tell you about dbx? :)[15:13:19] <PrestonConnors> I'm trying to determine how to correct a bottle neck issue between two systems with the same Intel Corporation 82598EB 10-Gigabit AT CX4 Network Connections. These systems are cross-connected directly using a CX4 cable. One system is OpenSolaris snv_134 and the other is Ubuntu 9.10 amd64. The OpenSolaris system can only receive around 5Gbp/s from the Ubuntu system but the OpenSolaris system can send about 9.8Gbp/s. I am using netperf to re[15:13:19] <seanmcg> wine, yes. virtualbox yes.[15:13:41] <sambagirl> ok[15:13:51] <seanmcg> PrestonConnors, use mpstat to see if interrupts are hogging a cpu[15:13:53] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[15:13:55] <lewellyn> wine, almost as good as linux and generally better than bsd. virtualbox, great. :)[15:14:03] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[15:14:09] <PrestonConnors> seanmcg: okay i will try that; any recommended options to at to mpstat?[15:14:15] <seanmcg> '1'[15:14:19] <seanmcg> mpstat 1[15:14:21] * lewellyn giggles[15:14:24] <sambagirl> ii would think that solaris would recognize the scsi array yes?[15:14:27] <PrestonConnors> hah ok[15:14:36] <lewellyn> sambagirl: what kind of scsi array?[15:14:52] <sambagirl> i posted a link above[15:15:06] <lewellyn> i just woke up. i don't have a browser up yet[15:15:19] <lewellyn> is it a compaq smart array?[15:15:22] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[15:15:27] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[15:15:30] <lewellyn> did you check the hcl or run the device driver utiltiy?[15:16:56] <madwizard> Coffee[15:17:08] <madwizard> Did you have coffee?[15:17:18] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[15:17:34] <lewellyn> not yet[15:17:40] <PrestonConnors> seanmcg: Thanks for the mpstat pointer. It seems that the OpenSolaris server goes down to about 10% idle CPU and the intr and ithr numbers go to about 10,000 (duing idle they are around 200-300).[15:17:46] <lewellyn> i need to take my 10 minutes per day to play a game now :)[15:17:49] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[15:17:50] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[15:17:59] <PrestonConnors> (during the netperf tests)[15:18:02] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[15:18:23] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[15:18:32] <PrestonConnors> The openSolaris only has one core 1.33ghz and the ubuntu server has 8 cores, 2.33 ghz.[15:18:35] <PrestonConnors> :/[15:19:48] *** cornet has joined #opensolaris[15:20:02] <PrestonConnors> seanmcg: Is there a way to get the interrupt numbers down?[15:20:48] *** winstonw0 has joined #opensolaris[15:22:59] <CosmicDJ> rip out your nic ;)[15:23:12] <PrestonConnors> lol yeah[15:23:17] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[15:23:31] <PrestonConnors> Do cheaper NICs usually require more interrupts from the CPU/system?[15:24:08] <asyd> hmm, possible, especially with tcp offload etc[15:24:23] *** andrnils_ is now known as andrnils[15:25:53] <PrestonConnors> It is a super micro UIO NIC; it uses the Intel chipset however...[15:26:14] *** Killsudo has joined #opensolaris[15:26:29] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:26:29] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:28:34] <sambagirl> lewellyn sorry my mom called me[15:28:58] <sambagirl> i dont know anything about that thing. i know it has xp on an ide drive right now.[15:29:01] <sickness> sambagirl: nice nick :)[15:29:02] <sickness> ghgh[15:29:09] <madwizard> :)[15:29:19] <sambagirl> well i love samba musica and my mom is brazilian you know.[15:29:34] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[15:29:38] <sambagirl> i have no clue how to get to the setup part of this thing.[15:29:41] <madwizard> sambagirl: I think he was reffering to the second half of the nick[15:29:42] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[15:29:43] <sambagirl> i am looking online.[15:29:45] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[15:29:47] <sambagirl> oh[15:30:03] *** sambagirl is now known as amigamia[15:30:07] <amigamia> ok[15:30:10] <madwizard> :)[15:30:14] <CosmicDJ> PrestonConnors: IIRC you can use processor sets (see man prset) to use one (or more) cpus for your apps and the rest for irq handling[15:30:16] <madwizard> 1200?[15:30:17] <madwizard> CD32?[15:30:19] <madwizard> 4000?[15:30:34] <amigamia> ha[15:30:44] <amigamia> how about a video toaster 2000 ;)[15:30:50] <madwizard> amigamia: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/[15:31:13] <amigamia> thanks[15:31:26] <amigamia> i have never worked with an array before so this is new for me actually.[15:31:48] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[15:31:55] <madwizard> amigamia: I never had one, but I had dreams. :)[15:32:16] <madwizard> amigamia: But then I had 1200, I'm not sure if I would be able to put one in without heavy soldering. :)[15:32:20] <amigamia> ok so if i download opensolaris it should determine if it will work or not.[15:32:31] <amigamia> well my dad had 500/2000/3[15:32:34] *** nahamu has joined #opensolaris[15:32:45] <amigamia> 3000/4000/1200 ;)[15:32:47] <sickness> nice, I had 500 =)[15:32:49] <amigamia> so i like amigas[15:32:56] <CosmicDJ> 90/60/90 -> my gf ;)[15:33:11] *** nahamu has left #opensolaris[15:33:38] <madwizard> I had CD32 too, used it as a CD-ROM for my 1200, via RS-232[15:33:52] <sickness> CosmicDJ: hghgh[15:33:54] <sickness> =)[15:34:00] <CosmicDJ> cd32, that amiga game console thing?[15:34:12] <madwizard> 90 megaton, 60 thousand miles reach, 90 hunder miles per hour?[15:34:20] <madwizard> s/huder/hundred/[15:34:22] <amigamia> well they should have had that as like a ps2 back then but they were hustlers.[15:34:23] <amigamia> bbiab[15:34:26] <seanmcg> PrestonConnors, does the nic driver support soft interrupt? If so you can spread them out to other cpus[15:34:51] <jbit> madwizard: 90 attack, 60 defense, 90 magic[15:35:11] <madwizard> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32[15:35:16] <madwizard> jbit: Oh, right[15:35:18] <madwizard> :)[15:35:22] <amigamia> bbiab ADT people arrived .\[15:36:08] <madwizard> cd32 was a sweet piece of hardware[15:36:31] <madwizard> commodore should be rewarded for f*ing up company with grand products[15:36:37] <madwizard> But then few other companies should[15:36:54] <sickness> *cough* sun *cough*[15:37:09] *** LadySerena has quit IRC[15:38:38] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[15:39:37] <madwizard> :P[15:39:51] <madwizard> sickness: Don't get sunburn. :)[15:39:57] <madwizard> Coffee[15:40:02] <sickness> ghgh =)[15:40:08] <madwizard> What means ghgh?[15:40:43] <LowKey> any tutorial for pkg command ? i still dont know how to use, i'm new. pkg install xchat not work.[15:41:32] <madwizard> LowKey: /release? /dev?[15:41:41] <tsoome> you mat wanna try pkg search, and probably wanna add contrib repo..[15:41:47] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[15:42:09] <madwizard> tsoome: It's in /release and /dev[15:42:10] <madwizard> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/en/search.shtml?token=xchat&action=Search[15:42:13] <madwizard> This is for /dev[15:42:19] <madwizard> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/release/en/search.shtml?token=xchat&action=Search[15:42:22] <madwizard> This is for release[15:42:32] <LowKey> ok[15:42:36] <madwizard> It ought to be installable via pkg install SUNWxchat in /release[15:42:41] <madwizard> I'm not sure about the /dev[15:42:54] <madwizard> I'm somewhat behind in ips repo changes and the pkg command[15:43:03] <LowKey> how to install it via command line?[15:43:10] <LowKey> like yum install xchat on RH[15:43:11] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[15:43:47] <madwizard> LowKey: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2009.06/IMGPACKAGESYS/index.html[15:43:55] <madwizard> It's for /releae[15:44:01] <madwizard> LowKey: Which OpenSoalris you have?[15:44:04] <madwizard> LowKey: What uname -a says?[15:44:09] <LowKey> hold on[15:44:15] <madwizard> I will[15:45:13] <dorvan83> mui are you online?[15:45:14] <CosmicDJ> that means: no coffee until he answers ;)[15:45:26] *** dajhorn has joined #opensolaris[15:45:36] <LowKey> SunOS noc 5.11 snv_111b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[15:45:43] <dorvan83> hi to all, i've a problem on opensolaris b134, with the network interface i have on my machine, are broadcom driver (bnx) interfaces...[15:45:47] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[15:45:47] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[15:45:48] *** balrog has quit IRC[15:45:55] <dorvan83> are 4 nics and are configured 2 on a subnet and two on other subnet, no aliasing o vlan multiple ip, are used as iscsi target interfaces.[15:46:01] <LowKey> madwizard: it 2009.6 release.[15:46:05] <lewellyn> amigamia: when you return, ask smrt to explain device driver utility[15:46:11] <dorvan83> but opensolaris decide to lock 2 interfaces (random, and in random time) and leave only 2 random working interfaces... (lock = they stop works)[15:46:36] <mui> dorvan83: yes[15:47:05] <dorvan83> sorry, i've lost your answer, i was in a meeting[15:47:34] *** balrog has joined #opensolaris[15:47:41] <madwizard> LowKey: then the guide I pointed you to will be perfect[15:47:44] <dorvan83> lock = stop works.[15:47:53] <madwizard> LowKey: pfexec pkg install SUNWxchat[15:47:58] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[15:48:08] <madwizard> LowKey: also look up /contrib repo, it has some additional stuff[15:48:10] *** braqoon has left #opensolaris[15:48:15] <LowKey> ok will try that command line[15:48:31] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:48:31] <jbk> grrrr... i hope one positive effect of the acquisition is that oracle's recommendations for running on solaris stop being out of date[15:50:12] <madwizard> :)[15:50:26] <madwizard> Ok, time to wash the cup for tomorrow[15:50:27] <madwizard> See ya[15:50:28] <madwizard> [d][15:50:39] <jbk> they still recommend using 'forcedirectio' on nfs mounted filesystems that contain oracle datafiles[15:50:41] <dorvan83> mui: have you any possible answer for me?[15:50:53] <dorvan83> mui: or possible help?[15:51:03] <tsoome> well, dont count on correct instructios:P[15:51:12] <jbk> even though for quite some time now, the default oracle behavior is to enable that behavior within oracle (thus things like backup software don't suffer)[15:52:05] *** ionizer has joined #opensolaris[15:53:16] *** ionizer has left #opensolaris[15:53:42] <mui> humm[15:53:47] * mui scrolls backlog[15:53:54] <LowKey> hurm, cannot open , http://pastebin.com/wnh9qUFz[15:54:51] <mui> ah[15:54:52] <mui> yes[15:55:01] <mui> you probably have nehalem?[15:55:27] <mui> dorvan83[15:56:29] <dorvan83> what?[15:56:36] <mui> what kind of system you have?[15:56:43] <mui> other than bnx[15:56:55] <dorvan83> hp dl380 g6[15:57:05] <mui> can you disable c-states in bios?[15:57:28] <mui> that will increase power usage of your server but most probably fix your bnx issues[15:57:29] <dorvan83> yes i think...[15:57:37] <dorvan83> for power regulation?[15:57:41] <mui> it is under processor configuration in dell servers[15:57:44] <mui> yes[15:57:50] <mui> its common issue[15:58:10] <mui> with leenox too[15:58:19] <mui> http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-26837[15:58:30] <dorvan83> ah.....[15:58:52] <dorvan83> so i have a quad or six core xeon 8820 >[15:59:17] <dorvan83> i think is nehalem core[15:59:23] <mui> yes[15:59:30] <mui> you are probably hitting same issue[15:59:32] <mui> try disabling c-staes[15:59:36] <mui> c-states even[15:59:36] <ArcAngel> hey mui[15:59:37] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[15:59:41] <mui> oh hi ArcAngel[15:59:43] <ArcAngel> ltns[15:59:49] <mui> long time no see[15:59:58] <mui> (not that I remember where we last chatted)[16:00:01] <ArcAngel> this 'oh hi' things really seems the be the new hype[16:00:06] <ArcAngel> me neither[16:00:10] <ArcAngel> i just remember you[16:00:11] <ArcAngel> O=)[16:00:12] <mui> yep[16:00:15] <dorvan83> mui: thanks![16:00:22] <dorvan83> let's try[16:00:24] <mui> np[16:00:41] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[16:00:50] <mui> ArcAngel: so you're too venturing in teh darkside of solaris?[16:02:36] *** achester has quit IRC[16:03:19] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[16:05:20] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[16:07:47] <amigamia> i will try open solaris later today[16:07:58] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[16:08:06] <lewellyn> smrt: explain device driver utility[16:08:06] <smrt> From an installed OpenSolaris system, or LiveCD/LiveUSB, you can start the Device Driver Utility to see if your hardware is supported: Applications -> System Tools -> Device Driver Utility. On other operating systems, you can use a Java app for the same effect before installing: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp (See also: hcl)[16:08:20] <lewellyn> amigamia: try that on the hp :)[16:08:30] <amigamia> i am[16:08:37] <amigamia> i will as soon as adt leaves this morning.[16:08:41] <amigamia> bbiab and thanks[16:10:01] <causality> mm amiga.[16:10:51] <jbit> amiga and sun both started on 68000[16:12:22] <amigamia> yes[16:12:24] *** gebi has quit IRC[16:12:24] <amigamia> motorol[16:12:26] <amigamia> motorola[16:12:30] *** Openfree^ has quit IRC[16:12:47] *** Openfree has quit IRC[16:12:47] <amigamia> bbl i saved the text in here chao[16:12:55] *** amigamia has quit IRC[16:13:31] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris[16:15:28] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[16:15:28] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[16:18:31] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[16:18:53] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[16:20:43] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[16:21:27] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[16:23:04] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:23:50] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[16:24:17] *** miamano has quit IRC[16:24:33] *** miamano has joined #opensolaris[16:29:55] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[16:34:38] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:36:25] *** SyamSUNW has joined #opensolaris[16:37:07] <SyamSUNW> how to install codec on opensolaris?[16:41:58] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[16:42:52] <Shoggoth> evening[16:43:11] *** kimc has quit IRC[16:43:41] <CosmicDJ> SyamSUNW: which?[16:44:12] <Shoggoth> is it possible to create a zpool using raidz without all the spindles being present?[16:44:25] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[16:44:28] <CosmicDJ> I don't think so[16:45:30] <lewellyn> yes. you don't want to, and i don't know the particulars :)[16:45:41] <Shoggoth> lol[16:45:50] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[16:46:23] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: I'm shuffling my data around and I don't have enough spare capacity so I'd like to take a couple of disks from two of my raidz2 pools and use them as temporary space[16:46:52] <SyamSUNW> CosmicDJ, codecs for run music,movie[16:46:56] <Shoggoth> but I'd like to re-create the zpools with the right number of spindles and add the spares back in after I've copied the data off them[16:47:01] <Shoggoth> if you see what I'm saying[16:47:29] <CosmicDJ> SyamSUNW: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/complete_set_of_playback_plugins[16:47:36] *** dorvan83 has quit IRC[16:47:42] *** RoyK has quit IRC[16:47:48] <SyamSUNW> CosmicDJ, Thanks bro[16:47:48] <Shoggoth> so you don't know the particulars, but you know that it's possible... any thoughts on where to start digging?[16:47:53] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[16:48:00] <CosmicDJ> SyamSUNW: I bet that thanks was too soon ;)[16:48:32] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[16:48:40] <SyamSUNW> SyamSUNW, it not free :|[16:49:06] <SyamSUNW> CosmicDJ, cannot be free ? :D[16:49:33] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: google :)[16:49:41] <Shoggoth> lol... yes I tried that[16:49:52] <Shoggoth> obviously my google-fu is failing me tonight :([16:50:02] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: fluendo solaris plugins crack? ;)[16:50:05] <lewellyn> smrt doesn't have anything relevant for "raidz"[16:50:13] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: there's no serial. why crack it?[16:50:52] <Shoggoth> of course it doesn't help that my internet connection has been shaped so google queries are a little painful :([16:50:57] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: you seem to have some deeper knowledge[16:51:13] <CosmicDJ> Shoggoth: there's more than google out there..[16:51:21] <Shoggoth> heh... lewellyn always has deeper knowledge :)[16:51:32] <Shoggoth> CosmicDJ: yes there's #opensolaris :)[16:51:37] <|woody|> use files for the missing disk[16:51:51] <|woody|> and google for the rest :)[16:52:03] *** twisti has quit IRC[16:52:16] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: well, the dvd player doesn't have a serial, so i'm extrapolating[16:52:18] <|woody|> it's a bad hack an can go wrong :)[16:52:32] <Shoggoth> |woody|: I would have thought that I'd have the same problem - wouldn't the file need to be the same size as the missing disk?[16:52:33] <|woody|> just wait for raidz extension :)[16:52:34] <lewellyn> s/can/likely will/ # ;)[16:52:36] *** niq has quit IRC[16:52:51] *** solar_sea has quit IRC[16:53:01] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: the pool should be the size of the smallest device[16:53:04] <|woody|> it could be samller :)[16:53:07] <|woody|> smaller[16:53:27] <|woody|> so you could have 1TB drive an 2 100MB files :)[16:53:35] <|woody|> which kind of sucks to put data on it[16:53:38] <|woody|> but works[16:53:53] <Shoggoth> not if you have 3.5TB of data to shuffle about[16:53:59] <CosmicDJ> SyamSUNW: anyway, IIRC videolan's vlc can play a whole lot of videos/music files, maybe your fav. search engine has some clues how to install it on opensolaris[16:55:19] <lewellyn> smrt: explain spec-files-extra[16:55:20] <smrt> spec-files-extra (SFE) is a collection of popular software which is not yet in OpenSolaris, but should be. The project ports software and creates spec files for packages. You need pkgbuild to use SFE, see: explain pkgbuild , bootstrap-sfe-latest-os20nn , http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/ , http://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/ the wiki explains how to use the build environment and gives installati[16:55:44] <lewellyn> just for anyone who may be interested in running things which aren't in the main repos...[16:55:47] * lewellyn wanders off[16:55:49] <CosmicDJ> installati? is that italian?[16:56:12] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: it's "someone used append and now the line's longer than irc allows"[16:56:19] * lewellyn wanders off for a bit[16:56:35] <CosmicDJ> wow, that's a lot of info packed into a single italian word[16:56:58] *** WireWulf has joined #opensolaris[16:57:04] <SyamSUNW> CosmicDJ, you mean to install vlc on opensolaris? Ok will searching.[16:57:34] <Shoggoth> |woody|: you've just given me an idea :)[16:58:04] *** lesterc has quit IRC[17:00:40] *** cornet has left #opensolaris[17:02:14] <Shoggoth> so... would anyone have any idea of how to calculate the amount of space per spindle a freshly created zpool uses for metadata?[17:03:02] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[17:07:03] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[17:07:38] *** dajhorn_ has joined #opensolaris[17:07:47] *** merzo has quit IRC[17:07:57] *** nitrile has quit IRC[17:08:00] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[17:09:26] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:11:22] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[17:11:35] *** dajhorn_ is now known as dajhorn[17:13:10] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[17:13:25] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[17:14:17] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[17:15:59] *** SyamSUNW has quit IRC[17:18:58] *** fOB has quit IRC[17:24:15] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[17:25:50] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[17:26:16] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[17:27:02] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[17:27:02] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[17:27:19] *** hnhn has quit IRC[17:27:35] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[17:29:38] <sickness> coffee time[17:32:26] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[17:32:48] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[17:33:16] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[17:33:26] *** swift has quit IRC[17:34:18] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:34:18] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[17:38:10] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris[17:39:04] *** p3rror has quit IRC[17:41:06] <trochej> Coffee[17:43:35] <kohju> me, too.[17:45:08] <bengtf> which is the next ips release ?[17:45:13] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[17:45:20] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[17:46:19] <Beket> bengtf, noone knows[17:46:43] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[17:47:47] <CosmicDJ> maybe 134a ;)[17:49:42] *** thevraa has quit IRC[17:50:55] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[17:50:59] *** trochej has quit IRC[17:51:15] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[17:52:09] *** iceq_ has quit IRC[17:52:13] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris[17:53:49] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[17:53:53] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[17:54:13] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[17:54:14] *** twisti_ is now known as twisti[17:55:04] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[17:55:23] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[17:55:35] <bengtf> hehe[17:55:35] *** yarihm has quit IRC[17:56:06] *** trochej has joined #opensolaris[17:56:12] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[17:56:51] *** dalibor has quit IRC[17:56:51] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[17:57:40] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[17:59:14] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[17:59:15] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[18:01:48] *** pablomh has quit IRC[18:02:33] *** ozux has quit IRC[18:05:25] *** ThePickle has quit IRC[18:06:25] *** kevinw has quit IRC[18:06:40] *** kevinw has joined #opensolaris[18:07:37] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[18:07:38] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[18:08:16] *** panos has quit IRC[18:08:47] *** panos has joined #opensolaris[18:09:16] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[18:09:40] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[18:10:07] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[18:10:07] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[18:10:58] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:11:19] *** derchris has quit IRC[18:11:50] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[18:12:13] *** Openfree has quit IRC[18:13:11] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[18:14:08] <Hedonista> happy earth day[18:15:27] <LaidBack_01> lol... is it really?[18:15:32] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[18:15:37] <Hedonista> yeh it is[18:15:46] *** pablomh has joined #opensolaris[18:15:55] <Hedonista> 4/20 is hitler's b-day[18:16:05] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[18:16:26] <LaidBack_01> I just got in from doing a bit of work... split around a cord of firewood... so, sure, happy earth day ;)[18:16:51] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[18:18:30] *** GnuWulf has joined #opensolaris[18:20:49] *** WireWulf has quit IRC[18:23:02] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[18:24:19] <Israel_Miranda> anyone has any info if oracle has announce its strategy for opensolaris ?[18:25:21] <sickness> heh[18:25:26] <sickness> I second this question :)[18:26:04] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[18:26:25] <hawk> Other than the farily generic "it's not dead but won't get all new features" answer they delivered some time back?[18:27:14] *** gjl has joined #opensolaris[18:28:05] <hawk> (paraphrasing)[18:28:21] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[18:31:11] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:32:00] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[18:32:15] <Israel_Miranda> hawk, so they said that, didn't know it[18:33:04] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[18:33:30] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:34:18] <Israel_Miranda> hawk, yeah, other than that, what you guys think about it ? Anyone who works for sun/oracle here care to say something ?[18:35:06] <eviljames> http://developers.sun.ru/techdays2010/reports/OracleSolarisTrack/TD_STP_OracleSolarisFuture_Roberts.pdf[18:35:11] <eviljames> Slides 24 & 25 iirc[18:35:54] <eviljames> err, 23 and 24 I guess. According to the 'official story' osol ain't going anywhere. It should be said that Oracle doesn't like announcing/releasing info until they are certain[18:35:59] * eviljames <- NOT an Oracle employee[18:40:15] *** GnuWulf has quit IRC[18:41:19] *** andersenep has quit IRC[18:42:40] <Israel_Miranda> eviljames, I don't get it. "Oracle will continue to make OpenSolaris available as open source and Oracle will continue to actively support and participate in the OpenSolaris community"[18:43:34] <hawk> What don't you get?[18:44:10] <hawk> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/solaris-10-no-longer-free-as-in-beer-now-a-90-day-trial.ars brings up some of the worries that are being expressed... I'm sure there are more articles on the subject[18:44:15] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[18:44:59] *** hunter has quit IRC[18:46:17] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[18:46:33] <Israel_Miranda> let me read the whole thing, I just read pages 22/24[18:47:19] <CosmicDJ> boring marketing blah IMHO, c0t0d0s0.org has the interesting bits http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6510-Future-of-OpenSolaris.html[18:50:11] <frankS2> Hi, does opensolaris give me the option to encrypt partitions on install?[18:50:22] <frankS2> I want /home and /tmp and /var encrypted , rest i dont care about[18:51:00] <mui> i've witnessed oracle people taking part in *-discuss lately[18:51:04] <mui> more even[18:51:12] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:51:35] <jbk> not yet[18:51:43] <jbk> encrypted zfs is still in the works[18:51:51] <frankS2> okey[18:52:06] <jbk> not sure how the acquisition has effected the project[18:53:11] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[18:55:00] *** hajma has quit IRC[18:55:16] <Israel_Miranda> mui, what have you heard/read ? *-discuss is a mailing list ?[18:55:51] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[18:55:56] <eviljames> Israel_Miranda: *-discuss would be a wildcard operator on all the mailing lists, of cousre[18:56:00] *** smrt has quit IRC[18:56:07] <eviljames> s/cousre/course/ :P[18:56:25] *** blizzow has quit IRC[18:56:32] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[18:57:18] <eviljames> Israel_Miranda: The long & short of it is that it's really hard to un-open-source something.[18:59:25] <hawk> Well, it's easy to stop contributing...[19:02:51] *** blizzow has joined #opensolaris[19:03:06] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:03:20] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[19:03:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[19:06:15] *** Erwann has quit IRC[19:10:18] *** niq has quit IRC[19:11:35] *** zalez has joined #opensolaris[19:11:37] <Israel_Miranda> but what if they stop contributing, is there the risk that opensolaris and solaris became different and independent O.S. with different roadmaps ?[19:12:03] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[19:12:08] *** bdrewery_ has joined #opensolaris[19:12:21] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[19:12:21] *** bdrewery has quit IRC[19:12:40] <jbk> that'd be a very expensive proposition[19:12:41] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[19:12:51] <jamesd2> Israel_Miranda, they are allready different enough from a 3rd party app standpoint, and they can't really change the internals much anyway... backwards ocmpatibility and all[19:13:06] <jbk> as all the workflows (from what I've been told) pretty much revolve around the current setup[19:13:09] <jamesd2> er compatilibility[19:13:17] <Israel_Miranda> jbk, let's say, worst case scenario :p[19:13:28] <jbk> it would be idiotic from a business standpoint[19:13:39] <jbk> all the work has gone into opensolaris for the past, what 5 years?[19:13:56] <jamesd2> worst case is that, opensolaris would have to move away from solaris not the other way around, because of backward compatiblity promises[19:13:56] <jbk> to do what you're suggesting would be to effectively throw it all out and start over from solaris 10[19:14:22] <jbk> one thing that oracle doesn't appear to be is stupid[19:14:43] <Israel_Miranda> sorry for asking all of these questions. I've been around sun technology for some time, and when I finally decide to adopt, learn and dive in sun's technology advanced UNIX oracle comes and buys it, so I am full of doubts now[19:15:02] <sstallion_work> Israel_Miranda: time will tell. spreading FUD doesn't help anyone.[19:15:37] <Israel_Miranda> sure. Just read many of them now[19:16:21] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[19:16:24] <LaidBack_01> just give it a shot, OSOL is really pretty cool.[19:16:54] <Israel_Miranda> I was thinking like: well, if opensolaris(5.11) is solaris(5.10) unstable/next version, they won't drop it for sure. But this subject emerged on another channel(pfsense) while I was talking to another network admins and on of them raised the issue of opensolaris[19:16:56] <jbk> for opensolaris, it sounds like the biggest thing is that releases will now just suddenly pop out without any warning[19:17:11] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris[19:17:14] <jamesd2> Israel_Miranda, if you know sun, you should know that you can take a application compiled for Solaris 2.5.1 and cp it to a solaris 10 box and run it, with no differences 99.9999% of the time. and oracle isn't going to change that... or oracle's legacy customers would be pissed companies still have production legacy apps running oracle 7 on Solaris who will pay 7 figures a year to keep it all working the way it does tod[19:17:14] <jamesd2> ay.[19:17:20] <jbk> instead of 'hey, we're gonna create a new release in <month> of <year>'[19:17:46] <jbk> other than that, probably business as usual[19:17:57] <jbk> for solaris[19:18:03] <jbk> which currently means solaris 10 (or earlier)[19:18:04] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[19:18:38] <Israel_Miranda> LaidBack_01, I am already using opensolaris im my startup business for two months now, that's why I was a little worried about the future of the project.[19:19:09] <Israel_Miranda> jamesd2, I heard they have backward compatibility down to 1997 apps, amazing![19:19:15] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:19:42] <jbk> which was never opensourced, based on an far earlier branch of the source tree[19:19:47] *** timsf has quit IRC[19:19:52] <jbk> has had some licensing changes[19:20:01] <LaidBack_01> I just wished I hadn't purchased that nividia g210 card. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but hardly any unix correctly supports it... yet. and snv_134 doesn't either. So... bought my first quadro yesterday - a used hp workstation model. Hopefully it does what I want.[19:20:06] <LaidBack_01> should be fun anyway.[19:20:53] <LaidBack_01> Osol as a desktop. hmm... maybe not my best decision ever, but with 8G ram, quad core, and virtualbox, I think I'll still have the capability to deal with windows-only apps or linux-only apps.[19:21:07] <LaidBack_01> Now I just need six monitors ;)[19:21:43] <Israel_Miranda> wow ![19:21:51] <jamesd2> Israel_Miranda, acutally... 1995 (2.5.0) is pretty much guaranteed supported, and they may even take an interest if you say 1994 ( 2.4) app doesn't work in solaris 10[19:23:15] <LaidBack_01> Israel_Miranda: one thing that really needs mentioned about opensolaris. Once you get it setup and running as expected, it just works. I've not had a properly maintained osol box do anything bad to me. Course, i don't do much esoteric. Going to try out Xm pretty soon though in full production. Hoping osol 2010 comes out in the next 3 months or so before i set that up.[19:24:21] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[19:24:40] <Israel_Miranda> LaidBack_01 I am using xvm in osol right now and it wors perfectly[19:24:55] <Israel_Miranda> x64 dom0 and x64 domu Centos[19:25:02] <mui> me too[19:25:09] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[19:25:12] <mui> I've done live migration with zfs and xvm too[19:25:28] <Israel_Miranda> that's a scenario I am looking forward to test[19:25:52] <mui> save vm -> zfs send -i snapshots | to teh remote server and then copy save-file for vm[19:26:00] <mui> after that resume[19:26:29] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[19:27:20] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[19:27:48] *** lblume has quit IRC[19:28:05] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[19:28:22] *** ArcAngel has quit IRC[19:30:09] *** wrapster has joined #opensolaris[19:31:03] <alanc> there's even some 1988 binaries (SunOS 4.x) that can be run unchanged on SPARC systems (x86 only goes back to Solaris 2.1 in 1992 or so)[19:31:35] <Israel_Miranda> alanc, yay! that's what I call backwards-compatibility[19:32:58] <CosmicDJ> and this makes ppl buy solaris?[19:33:07] <cypromis> yes[19:33:34] <Stric> win32 has pretty good backwards compat as well.. and forwards..[19:34:08] *** ArcAngel has joined #opensolaris[19:34:31] <RoyK> Stric: oh - you ever been in operation, running windoze?[19:34:37] <Stric> (that is, if you compile on the latest stuff, it'll work on old ones as well.. where solaris is worse)[19:35:16] <RoyK> windows' backward compatibility is like "sure, just make sure you're running windows 2012 with no old software, and we're compatible[19:35:40] <Stric> that's not my experience..[19:36:28] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[19:36:37] <RoyK> ever tried to make a windows nt 4 machine talk to a windows server 2008?[19:37:00] <Israel_Miranda> "sure, just make sure you're running windows 2012 with no old software, and we're compatible" [2][19:37:06] *** dalibor has quit IRC[19:37:13] <gebi> RoyK: not beyond ping[19:37:19] <RoyK> :)[19:37:20] <lewellyn> RoyK: you can run windows 2.0 binaries on windows 7[19:37:29] <lewellyn> 1.0 doesn't work[19:37:50] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[19:37:59] <RoyK> 'cept lots of win16 stuff uses hardware calls, which doesn't work at all[19:38:01] <lewellyn> it complains, yes, when you run a 2.0 binary. it tells you to get one that's compatible with 3.1 :D[19:38:15] <lewellyn> apps written to the api work fine[19:38:31] <lewellyn> solaris is the same way. you do broken shit, the app will break at some point.[19:38:36] <Stric> just like lsof for sunos4 won't work that well on solaris 10[19:38:37] <RoyK> there were a lot of "missing APIs" back there[19:39:14] <lewellyn> RoyK: take the trolling to ##windows. it was just a remark that windows and solaris both have a focus on back-compat of binaries[19:39:36] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[19:39:38] *** eleusis has quit IRC[19:39:44] *** n1c0b has left #opensolaris[19:40:01] <RoyK> huh - 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she usually doesn't show up until later (after the baby is asleep?)[20:03:56] *** ampex has joined #opensolaris[20:03:57] *** |woody| has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** emptyness47 has quit IRC[20:04:04] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[20:04:11] *** |woody| has joined #opensolaris[20:04:38] <RoyK> that's some split[20:05:01] *** emptyness47 has joined #opensolaris[20:05:25] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[20:05:26] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[20:08:18] *** twisti has quit IRC[20:10:56] <lewellyn> well, i'm not going to be around when she shows up today, most likely. which is kind of unfortunate, as i wanted to ask her something when she pokes me in privmsg, as is usual :P[20:11:18] *** dalibor has quit IRC[20:11:34] *** melbogia has quit IRC[20:12:01] <sstallion_work> oh?[20:12:04] <sstallion_work> making friends?[20:12:20] <lewellyn> nah. just a question about a mailing list post she made a while back[20:12:22] <madwizard> Who is "she"?[20:12:34] <lewellyn> as soon as i jump on this conference call, i'm tied up for 6-7 hours :P[20:12:36] <Hedonista> i'm trying to enable usb from an opensolaris host to ubuntu and windows guests on the host i do "VBoxManage list usbhost" it returns <none> but a usb key is already plugged in and mounted ,any suggestions[20:14:13] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: heh. any news re: vmbus etc.?[20:14:31] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: yes. but ENOTIME to poke you about it and reply to microsoft[20:14:41] <lewellyn> been too busy with other departments there lately :P[20:14:43] <sstallion_work> anything worthwhile to mention?[20:14:55] <lewellyn> yes. licensing confuses me. :)[20:15:02] <sstallion_work> efe is going to be finished soon, just getting the queue ready.[20:15:27] <lewellyn> i finally installed the hyper-v server this morning. i'll be adding jeos to the pxe installer this evening.[20:15:30] <sstallion_work> I'd rather just scratch build the f'n thing. easier to integrate.[20:15:48] <lewellyn> so deploying a fresh opensolaris image is as easy a netboot :)[20:15:55] <sstallion_work> AI was just as easy :P[20:16:01] <sstallion_work> (it not more so)[20:16:07] *** balrog has quit IRC[20:16:09] <lewellyn> that'll involve getting ai working on my network. which has failed so far[20:16:24] <lewellyn> also, ai will take more than 3 minutes to install a new vm with ;)[20:16:42] <sstallion_work> heh[20:16:45] <lewellyn> all it does is dump the disk image to the new guest[20:16:48] <sstallion_work> patience is a virtue you know :P[20:16:55] <jbk> heh[20:16:56] <lewellyn> so is rapid deployment[20:17:00] *** hunter has quit IRC[20:17:18] <jbk> sstallion_work: doesn't mean it sucks =][20:17:36] <sstallion_work> haha[20:17:37] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: one thing i recall from the email is that they don't have plans to write formal specifications in the near future[20:17:50] *** balrog has joined #opensolaris[20:17:51] <sstallion_work> it works well enough for me - but then again, its easy to find other things to do while its installing.[20:18:07] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: alright. how close to being out of beta are they?[20:19:19] <jbk> the keyboard i want won't be available in stores until early june =[[20:19:26] <jbk> it _really_ sucks having to wait[20:19:29] <jbk> (musical keyboard)[20:19:40] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: i'd have to reread the email[20:20:06] *** ArcAngel has quit IRC[20:20:26] <lewellyn> right now i'm busy troubleshooting an issue which is starting to look like it's kerberos-related. :P[20:21:13] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[20:21:30] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: no worries. I'll take another look at vmbus; I doubt the VM interface will change much. Shouldn't be hard to derive a specs doc on the interface.[20:21:32] <PrestonConnors> Does Richard Elling hang out in this channel?[20:21:57] <sstallion_work> once vmbus is in the bag, the ethernet driver should be cake.[20:22:06] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: the interface isn't likely to change at all, since the product itself is stable ;)[20:22:31] <sstallion_work> sort of sucks - i was hoping we could get better operating information; the linux driver has almost nothing in there.[20:23:00] <sstallion_work> tons of garbage in procfs (heh).[20:23:05] <lewellyn> i'll poke you tonight or tomorrow. i think we can get info from them, if we have specific questions :)[20:23:08] <CosmicDJ> PrestonConnors: I'd try #nexenta[20:23:10] <sstallion_work> that will end up moving to kstats or sysctl[20:23:14] <PrestonConnors> CosmicDJ: Thanks![20:23:40] <sstallion_work> alright[20:24:40] <lewellyn> they're very approachable, which is good. but their biggest concern atm is getting the code ready for inclusion into linus's tree instead of wherever it's relegated to now[20:24:50] <sstallion_work> ahh gotcha[20:25:02] <sstallion_work> alright[20:25:12] <sstallion_work> I'll take a look later on and draft up some questions for you to babysit ;)[20:25:15] <lewellyn> of course, if opensolaris has support for it before ubuntu, that'd be awesome :)[20:25:32] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[20:25:36] <sstallion_work> depends on the interface; looking at it, it seemed relatively straight-forward[20:25:47] <sstallion_work> its essentially a SHM interface with a softint[20:26:07] <jbk> PrestonConnors: he does stop in on occasion[20:26:10] <lewellyn> well, it's got input from the old connectix people who are still around, so i'd expect it to be sane[20:26:13] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[20:26:14] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[20:26:19] <PrestonConnors> jbk: Thanks![20:27:03] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: well. if you can free up enough cycles to email driver-discuss for the new project, I'll +1 it. I doubt you'll have trouble getting another +1.[20:27:07] * sstallion_work pokes jbk.[20:27:41] <sstallion_work> at least that we could get an hg repo setup fairly quickly. Emancipation isn't the best fit for it.[20:27:48] <jbk> careful where you point that..[20:28:02] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: i want to know the level of commitment to expect from microsoft first :)[20:28:40] *** fleers has quit IRC[20:28:42] <lewellyn> it sounds like they're going to be willing to field various questions, but that's about it. which is more than acceptable, in my book. i want to be sure that they're not going to go silent though.[20:31:17] *** z0mbix has quit IRC[20:31:24] <sstallion_work> jbk: you ended up with a CC grant this year, didn't you?[20:31:34] <Israel_Miranda> sorry for the curiosity, but you guys lewellyn, sstallion_work, what are you talking about ?[20:31:52] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: nah, its enough. the source contains everything we need. at this point, its a matter of porting and debugging (worst case).[20:32:03] <sstallion_work> answering questions is good, but not critical.[20:32:05] <jbk> i beleive so[20:32:28] <sstallion_work> Israel_Miranda: lewellyn is about to start a giant flamewar.[20:32:37] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: ok. i'll draft something up in my copious free time. i'll also set up a web site for it, if you would like, if you want to keep notes and stuff. i certainly can't edit xwiki :P[20:32:47] *** Burana has quit IRC[20:32:54] <lewellyn> Israel_Miranda: i'm good at being unpopular :)[20:32:57] *** ArcAngel has joined #opensolaris[20:33:28] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: sure. I can take care of source-related bits as well. I'll just pull over the emancipation build bits.[20:33:29] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[20:33:39] <sstallion_work> so it should require minimal fumbling to get this integrated.[20:33:56] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: do you have a preferred software for the site to run?[20:34:14] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[20:34:15] <sstallion_work> on os.o? the default facility should be fine.[20:34:17] <lewellyn> if not, i have a few things on my to-play-with list :)[20:34:24] * sstallion_work isn't particular.[20:34:26] <lewellyn> oh, as i said, i have no privileges on os.o[20:34:32] <lewellyn> so i can't contribute there :P[20:34:34] <sstallion_work> sure you can[20:34:38] <lewellyn> oh?[20:34:40] <sstallion_work> project leaders get their own sandbox[20:34:43] <lewellyn> ah[20:34:43] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[20:34:55] <sstallion_work> so there will be a project under the drivers community[20:34:59] <lewellyn> that saves me from wasting another ip :)[20:35:02] <sstallion_work> yup[20:35:05] <sstallion_work> it works pretty well[20:35:25] *** zalez has quit IRC[20:35:28] <sstallion_work> assuming you have a os.o account ;)[20:35:39] <sstallion_work> we can contribute under my SCA if needed[20:36:04] <lewellyn> i also have a company-umbrella sca[20:36:12] <sstallion_work> that works too[20:36:14] <sstallion_work> CDDL?[20:36:21] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[20:36:29] *** tg has quit IRC[20:36:32] <Israel_Miranda> sstallion_work, flamewars are an expression of different humam beings with inflamable opinions bursting in discussion.[20:36:35] <lewellyn> we can discuss later[20:36:44] <sstallion_work> *nod*[20:36:54] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[20:36:54] <lewellyn> Israel_Miranda: better interoperability with a semi-competitive windows prouct[20:37:01] <wrapster> guys anyone care to explain to me whats happening here pls..http://pastie.org/930082[20:37:21] <wrapster> cannot seem to find the reason for this issue[20:37:44] <wrapster> smb/client by default is suppose to be disabled but why is it offline on my machine?[20:38:10] <Israel_Miranda> semi-competitive, nice acronym for inferior[20:38:16] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: it should be fairly quick to get something done thats testable; at the least I can get you that far.[20:38:21] <lewellyn> Israel_Miranda: eye of beholder[20:38:25] <sstallion_work> I suspect CORAID is going to eat a lot of my spare time, so we'll have to see.[20:38:26] <lewellyn> hyper-v is actually a really nice product[20:38:51] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: thanks. and at worst, next weekend, i'll have spare time.[20:39:19] <sstallion_work> Israel_Miranda: value-judgments need not apply. this is about better supporting solaris as a guest operating system.[20:39:21] *** bengtf has quit IRC[20:39:35] <lewellyn> and ideally doing a better job than linux ;)[20:39:42] <sstallion_work> its no different than paravirt support for vbox, or vmware, or parallels, or ...[20:39:53] <lewellyn> without the additions, it already runs at least as well as linux does with additions[20:40:02] <Israel_Miranda> hmm. I was wondering which tehcnology you were talking about, but now I have an Idea[20:40:07] <lewellyn> hyper-v[20:40:11] <Israel_Miranda> yeah[20:40:15] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[20:40:16] <lewellyn> note that 2008 r2 hyper-v server is a totally free download[20:40:35] <Israel_Miranda> that's what I thought. Microsoft has an implementation of Xen right ?[20:40:47] <jbit> opensolaris is getting hyper-v paravirtual support?[20:40:50] <lewellyn> so it's beneficial for lots of businesses who would like to deploy a cloud of opensolaris on 1 piece of hardware and have it manageable with the rest of their windows tools[20:41:01] <lewellyn> jbit: that's the idea. i'm sick of dnet ;)[20:41:08] <jbit> lewellyn: soudns nice[20:41:17] <jbit> was actually thinking about this the other day[20:41:29] <jbit> since i'd like to have windows on my server at home[20:41:42] <jbit> but it needs access to the graphics card, so it needs to be the "dom0"[20:41:43] <lewellyn> jbit: there's source for the linux integration tools, and microsoft has approachable people behind the project[20:41:45] *** joaocep has joined #opensolaris[20:42:02] <jbit> but i need zfs/etc on the server too[20:42:09] <lewellyn> jbit: yes. you'd be a great target for hyper-v ;)[20:42:19] <Stric> lewellyn: Duck likes Hyper-V: http://stric.se/gallery2/v/resor/2009/lidingoloppet/P1060137.JPG.html[20:42:23] <jbit> so would be awesome to use hyper-v, and have opensolaris as a paravirtual guest[20:42:34] <lewellyn> the hyper-v server really is just a free competitor to esxi[20:42:54] <jbit> i havent' heard much bad about hyper-v[20:43:06] <jbit> Stric: hah, i totally want to taste that drink[20:43:08] <lewellyn> i've got little bad to say about it. it's great to manage.[20:43:27] <lewellyn> jbit: heh. there's a can of windows vista energy on a desk a few cubes away[20:43:40] <Stric> jbit: generic rebranded "too sweet energy drink" (not that close to red bull)[20:43:51] <jbit> i had a can of "game juice" once, i think it was from a nvidia stand[20:43:57] <lewellyn> it's expired, btw ;)[20:44:07] <jbit> it was green[20:44:10] <jbit> and didn't taste very nice[20:44:24] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: I'm hurt. A lot of pain went into that driver :P[20:44:51] <jbit> a driver made only of pain? hrrmm.. :)[20:45:06] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: oh, the driver's great. for what it is. i want less host io though :)[20:45:15] <lewellyn> oh. gigabit would be nice too...[20:45:29] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:45:36] <jbit> lewellyn: know if a microsoft "client os" (vista/7/etc) will run under hyper-v?[20:45:44] <jbit> i'm not sure if my msdn subscription gets me server OS'[20:45:48] * jbit checks[20:45:50] <lewellyn> i could probably double the number of guests with pv nic, per host[20:45:58] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: I've gotta do some digging in the source and throw together some notes.[20:46:01] <lewellyn> jbit: should. lemme get you the link of supported guests[20:46:06] <sstallion_work> I'm thinking efe will be ready for testing this weekend[20:46:20] <sstallion_work> the DMA bits are finished, all thats left is rx/tx - that usually goes pretty quick.[20:46:22] <lewellyn> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/hyperv-supported-guest-os.aspx[20:46:25] <jbit> ah i can get one key for a server operating system[20:46:31] *** Burana has quit IRC[20:46:31] <lewellyn> i'd love to see opensolaris on that list[20:46:38] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[20:46:52] <jbit> lewellyn: i can think of loads of uses to have windows and opensolaris on the same system[20:47:38] *** xapiens has quit IRC[20:47:55] <jbit> lewellyn: do you know if all of those can run as "managment operating systems" ?[20:48:30] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[20:49:30] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[20:49:32] <jbit> i guess "managment operating system" is basically dom0[20:49:33] <lewellyn> no. those are guests.[20:49:52] *** xapiens has quit IRC[20:49:54] <lewellyn> you need windows server. preferably 2008 r2. hyper-v server is free. url in a moment.[20:50:06] <jbit> lewellyn: i have msdn, so i can grab basically anything :)[20:50:15] <lewellyn> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=48359dd2-1c3d-4506-ae0a-232d0314ccf6&displaylang=en[20:50:24] <jbit> and all of what i'm doing is for development purposes so it's actually not license violation[20:50:25] *** winajau has joined #opensolaris[20:50:53] <lewellyn> well, hyper-v server is a variant of windows core. this evening i can get you a neat little video about it.[20:51:04] <lewellyn> i'm impressed so far with it[20:51:08] <jbit> i guess i might try installing latest windows server over the weekend[20:51:30] <jbit> will opensolaris actually work on hyper-v right now?[20:51:51] <jbit> with non-paravirtual drivers i mean[20:51:52] <lewellyn> yes. i have sites in production running it[20:51:56] <jbit> cool[20:52:01] <lewellyn> you want a very recent build though[20:52:03] <jbit> will definatly try it out over the weekend :)[20:52:11] <jbit> lewellyn: i run 134 at home, so no problem[20:52:12] <lewellyn> i usually take jeos and image-update it[20:52:22] <lewellyn> since jeos has a vhd for hyper-v :)[20:52:35] *** winajau has quit IRC[20:52:40] <lewellyn> tonight i'll probably write a quick tutorial on how to deploy jeos via wds[20:52:41] <jbit> might be fun to try this out[20:53:01] *** fleers has joined #opensolaris[20:53:06] <jbit> would be great to run windows with graphics acceleration on that server so i can use hte direct3d render to generate pack data[20:53:12] <lewellyn> i've fallen in love with wds since mdt 2010 came out.[20:53:23] *** twilling has quit IRC[20:53:44] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[20:54:34] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[20:54:51] <jbit> hrm i can get a checked version of server 2008 too nice[20:54:52] <lewellyn> i want to figure out how to start deploying opensolaris via livecd and textinstaller with wds soon, too[20:54:52] <CIA-21> Sree Vemuri <sree.lakshmi.vemuri at oracle dot com>: 6946030 perf bits in L2_CONTROL register should be programmed only for events with SL bits equal to 3[20:55:11] <lewellyn> the checked versions are slooooow. don't run hyper-v in them. i made that mistake once :D[20:55:17] <lewellyn> it's fun to play with though[20:55:25] <jbit> :)[20:55:40] <jbit> well sometimes i'm doing weird things with drivers, so it's nice to know a cheked verison is available[20:56:07] *** melbogia has quit IRC[20:56:22] <lewellyn> yeah. that's why i had the checked version. i installed hyper-v to see something, and it made the whole system unresponsive.[20:57:26] <lewellyn> ok. i need to figure out my wireshark-fu again...[20:57:34] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[20:57:53] <jbit> i installed windows 7 to an iSCSI disc over the weekend[20:57:55] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: what kind of fu?[20:58:01] <jbit> and got it booting, from iSCSI, that was a fun experience[20:58:44] <wrapster> guys anyone listening>?[20:58:45] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[20:58:57] <lewellyn> wrapster: i've not clicked your link. sorry.[20:59:05] <sstallion_work> wrapster: be more specific rather than just pasting random pastebin URLs.[20:59:15] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: i need to, in addition to my current filters, remember how to get just the packets in a certain time frame[20:59:17] *** kevinw has quit IRC[20:59:26] <wrapster> sstallion_work: i've pasted the url and explained myself.[20:59:27] <lewellyn> i want to export the result so i can send it off to someone :P[20:59:31] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[20:59:55] <wrapster> lewellyn / sstallion_work: http://pastie.org/930082 ;[20:59:59] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: ah gotcha. display filters are your friend :)[21:00:07] <sstallion_work> wrapster: explanation please.[21:00:12] <lewellyn> yeah. i just need to remember more :)[21:00:16] *** chainey has joined #opensolaris[21:00:21] <lewellyn> i rarely need a few seconds :P[21:00:30] <wrapster> i've been trying to figure out why smb/clinet service is 'offline' while the xml file says it should be 'disabled'[21:00:33] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[21:00:42] <wrapster> this is not nice to look at and i'd like to resolve this.[21:00:45] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[21:00:53] <lewellyn> wrapster: does it matter much? :P[21:00:56] <sstallion_work> wrapster: SMF maintains a repository. the xml file is simply the source from which it is imported.[21:00:57] <lewellyn> same net effect.[21:01:12] <sstallion_work> INOW, the xml file does not correctly reflect reality :P[21:01:14] <wrapster> sstallion_work: could you please tell me where the repo is?[21:01:20] <lewellyn> it's a database[21:01:26] <lewellyn> "implementation detail"[21:01:31] <sstallion_work> wrapster: its all around you - it goes by many names...[21:01:50] <sstallion_work> sorry, I'm in peculiar humour this afternoon.[21:01:51] <wrapster> sstallion_work: anything specific that i should be looking for?[21:02:09] <sstallion_work> well... what is the problem? if you want it disabled, issue svcadm disable <fmri>[21:02:34] <wrapster> sstallion_work: no i want to recompile onnv-gate with that service being disabled.[21:02:42] <wrapster> i dont want to use svcadm for this purpose.[21:02:57] <wrapster> thats my whole point. or else i would have done it earlier[21:03:14] <sstallion_work> wrapster: ... you want to use SMF without using SMF?[21:03:30] <wrapster> sstallion_work: what?[21:03:38] <sstallion_work> if you want to do it through the XML file (which is silly), delete the service, and re-import with your hacked changes.[21:03:45] *** afrasi has quit IRC[21:04:28] <wrapster> sstallion_work: yes i would have done that.. but thats not required as it says 'enabled=false' which means the service should have been disabled. weirdly though its not.[21:04:44] <wrapster> check on your machine if you will, i think you will see it as 'disabled'[21:04:52] <wrapster> dont know whats wrong here.[21:05:01] <wrapster> this is onnv-134 compiled[21:05:12] <lewellyn> wrapster: so you've never ever changed it on that machine?[21:05:39] <sstallion_work> wrapster: that only controls default instance creation.[21:05:49] <wrapster> lewellyn: thats correct.. I've not touched that service or any depending serivice at all.. the machine boots up and i check for it to see its 'offline' thats bad[21:05:49] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[21:06:03] <sstallion_work> if there is a post-install step which creates an instance, you can't control that.[21:06:10] <lewellyn> wrapster: how did you import the default manifest? in fact, how are you installing this?[21:06:15] <sstallion_work> (at least not through the manifest)[21:06:23] <wrapster> sstallion_work: so in that case what controls whether the service should start or be disabled or offline then?[21:06:56] <sstallion_work> wrapster: it may be buried in a pkgdef somewhere (IPS action these days)[21:07:22] <sstallion_work> again, the XML manifest is simply a starting point; everything interesting happens in the repository post-import.[21:07:29] <wrapster> lewellyn: im with 134 so still going strong with pkgdefs :)[21:07:40] <sstallion_work> wrapster: no you aren't.[21:07:41] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[21:07:57] <sstallion_work> ON moved to IPS prior to snv_134[21:08:00] <sstallion_work> check the flag days.[21:08:03] <wrapster> sstallion_work: ok will take a look on it and let you know[21:08:39] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:09:02] <lewellyn> wrapster: that doesn't say how you're installing this[21:09:16] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[21:09:17] <wrapster> lewellyn: installing what?[21:09:19] <lewellyn> are you installing from a livecd and then using BFU or the ips replacement?[21:09:35] <lewellyn> your on build[21:09:35] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: onu[21:09:45] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: that's the name i couldn't remember :)[21:09:55] <bdha> Love when a firmware update wipes out a system's S/N.[21:09:57] <lewellyn> wrapster: are you building the complete WOS and making your own installer?[21:10:00] <sstallion_work> I haven't had a time to mess with it yet, but I've heard its better than bfu[21:10:12] <wrapster> lewellyn: yes[21:10:12] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: that's not terribly difficult ;)[21:10:15] <sstallion_work> haha[21:10:21] <sstallion_work> oh come on, bfu wasn't *that* bad ;D[21:10:43] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: i always wanted to take a crack at making bfu better, but i guess i don't get a chance now[21:10:59] *** ArcAngel has joined #opensolaris[21:10:59] <lewellyn> wrapster: you need to give us more info, then, than "something isn't working"[21:11:11] <lewellyn> without further information, we assume you're running indiana[21:11:48] <lewellyn> we're psycho, not psychic.[21:13:01] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[21:14:06] *** ArcAngel has quit IRC[21:19:20] <joaocep> hi people, i need a help - i dont route gre proto in ipfilter[21:19:58] *** joaocep has quit IRC[21:20:05] *** ArcAngel has joined #opensolaris[21:22:26] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[21:22:54] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[21:22:58] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[21:24:44] <PrestonConnors> doesn't route tcp proto in ipfilter either :)[21:26:30] *** hunter has quit IRC[21:27:16] *** twisti has quit IRC[21:28:48] *** e1kg has quit IRC[21:30:22] <wrapster> lewellyn: hmm more info.. I only know so much.. :)[21:30:44] <wrapster> coz tehre is nothign that i can start to debug this from.[21:32:16] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[21:33:19] *** dalibor has quit IRC[21:34:01] *** ody has joined #opensolaris[21:34:10] *** ody is now known as odyi[21:34:59] *** jpd1234 has joined #opensolaris[21:36:32] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[21:39:14] *** kevinw has joined #opensolaris[21:44:46] <lewellyn> wrapster: we know nothing of your installer[21:45:25] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[21:46:07] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: heh[21:48:20] <lewellyn> wrapster: it's hard enough figuring out issues with indiana. asking us about a black box is useless.[21:49:13] <wrapster> lewellyn: ok thanks for you help thus far.. I'll try to figure out more so that you can have a better idea of what im doing.. may be then something can click :(p[21:49:18] <wrapster> thanks guys[21:49:28] *** tg has quit IRC[21:49:30] <lewellyn> we don't even have half a clue what you're doing[21:49:36] *** eldee has joined #opensolaris[21:49:36] <lewellyn> so someone knowing is a good start ;)[21:49:40] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[21:49:43] *** FastJack has quit IRC[21:51:10] *** eldee has quit IRC[21:51:26] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris[21:51:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman[21:53:23] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[21:54:34] *** astra-x has quit IRC[21:54:35] *** hajma has quit IRC[21:56:47] *** FastJack has quit IRC[21:58:14] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:58:24] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[22:00:31] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[22:08:27] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[22:09:11] *** FastJack has quit IRC[22:10:36] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[22:12:48] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[22:15:18] *** kukhuvud has joined #opensolaris[22:15:44] *** FastJack has quit IRC[22:15:49] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:16:19] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[22:16:30] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:16:37] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[22:16:52] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:18:08] *** fleers has quit IRC[22:18:22] *** phil_ has quit IRC[22:19:24] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[22:20:26] *** dalibor has quit IRC[22:22:02] *** FastJack has quit IRC[22:22:23] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[22:23:20] *** dganitch has joined #opensolaris[22:23:36] <dganitch> Helo[22:23:41] *** fleers has joined #opensolaris[22:23:49] <jamesd2> hi[22:24:10] <dganitch> looking for information on installing Opensolaris on USB drive[22:24:21] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:24:34] <dganitch> not a live version but a full version[22:26:37] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[22:27:17] <Stric> dganitch: have you tried the obvious?[22:27:28] <Stric> dganitch: insert usb stick. insert install media. go nuts.[22:28:35] <dganitch> I have tried using live CD to install to USB Drive. However when booting from the new drive get a very long hang before anything happens[22:28:55] <dganitch> done extensive google searching[22:30:58] <Stric> ... and then?[22:31:06] <dganitch> the objective is to boot server from USB drive and us it as primary and setup zfs pools on six 1tb internal drives[22:31:14] <dganitch> nothing happens[22:31:42] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[22:31:59] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[22:33:50] <dganitch> well let me modify that statement, what happens is that it goes to the OPEnsolaris splash and stays there for a very long time, 25 min, then gets hung a creating RSA keys.[22:34:46] <Stric> this statement is quite different from your first question and the other statements.. not that I have any further info, but you sure had..[22:36:07] <dganitch> right, sorry. Guess what i am trying to find out is has anyone successfully created a working USB bootable drive that is not a live version[22:37:57] *** stewart has quit IRC[22:39:24] *** PrestonConnors has left #opensolaris[22:40:24] *** dganitch has left #opensolaris[22:41:07] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[22:43:42] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[22:45:19] <lewellyn> and dganitch left[22:45:23] <lewellyn> oh well[22:47:14] *** melbogia has quit IRC[22:51:27] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:54:10] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[22:54:58] <CIA-21> Mark Shellenbaum <Mark.Shellenbaum at Sun dot COM>: 6945935 potential mutex problem in zfs_zaccess_aces_check()[22:55:00] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:58:27] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[23:02:12] *** jmichaelx has joined #opensolaris[23:03:36] *** kevinw_ has joined #opensolaris[23:03:38] *** kevinw has quit IRC[23:04:25] *** sk0rd has quit IRC[23:06:08] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[23:06:21] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[23:06:30] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[23:07:07] <Spencer_tt> don't worry you have company virtual as it maybe :)[23:10:53] <Hedonista> does ntfs work in snv_134 perchance?[23:11:05] <alanc> smrt: explain ntfs[23:11:06] <smrt> Read/write is supported via FUSE and NTFS-3G. FUSE is still beta, but http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=513 has an example for installing NTFS-3G. SFEntfs-3g is also available in SFE. You will need to install SUNWfusefs/SUNWlibfuse first, regardless. (See also: spec-files-extra) , fuse[23:11:26] <Hedonista> thanks[23:13:15] <lewellyn> yay. i get to eat now. finally.[23:13:40] *** bitblt_ has quit IRC[23:14:06] *** bitblt_ has joined #opensolaris[23:17:26] *** yippi has quit IRC[23:17:55] *** jmichaelx has left #opensolaris[23:18:37] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[23:19:06] *** richb has quit IRC[23:20:31] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[23:21:33] *** robo has quit IRC[23:21:37] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[23:22:52] *** leito has quit IRC[23:25:01] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[23:28:34] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:30:14] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris[23:30:16] *** kimc has quit IRC[23:30:30] <ivo_> it will be fri. soon[23:30:40] <ivo_> so b138 should become avaible[23:31:18] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[23:31:51] <alanc> b138 has been postponed (not that we're posting the builds externally right now anyway)[23:32:16] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[23:32:20] <kukhuvud> aha! i was kinda wondering why no new stuff was showing up in dev[23:33:16] <ivo_> this sux[23:34:45] <cfs_> What's the hold up?[23:35:20] *** cfs_ is now known as cfs[23:36:02] <ivo_> if it is zfs crypto[23:36:05] <ivo_> it will be cool[23:36:07] <ivo_> :D[23:37:18] <mui> I believe they try to get dedup bug fixed[23:37:29] <mui> or atleast certainly hope so[23:38:44] <ivo_> b139 seems exiting[23:39:46] <mui> how come[23:40:18] <gdamore> wow... no more Oracle representation *at all* on the OGB.[23:40:39] <ivo_> the audio drivers of gdamore[23:40:42] <ivo_> will be avaible[23:40:43] <ivo_> :)[23:41:20] <gdamore> you've had access to my audio stuff for a bit longer than that. :-)[23:41:21] <ivo_> http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/6939935[23:41:29] <ivo_> yes this is true[23:41:30] <ivo_> :)[23:42:00] *** gebi has quit IRC[23:42:45] <ivo_> so dose anyone know if and when b138 will be available or the will skip it and go to b139[23:42:59] <mui> what[23:43:10] <mui> dclarke is in ogb?[23:43:19] <mui> sigh[23:43:20] <ivo_> when will b138 beout[23:43:39] <ivo_> o lol[23:43:48] <ivo_> ...[23:44:51] <mui> wtf he was just a fud ball on mailing lists[23:44:56] <gdamore> so right now Oracle probably could, if it so chose, disband the OGB on the basis that its interests were not represented there, and the board serves no purpose if its primary (by a major portion) sponsor has no voice.[23:45:49] <ivo_> what is OGB?[23:45:51] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[23:46:02] <gdamore> the "OpenSolaris Governing Board"....[23:46:15] <gdamore> sort of like a board of directors, but with absolutely no power at all.[23:46:56] <ivo_> 10x[23:47:28] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[23:48:03] <ivo_> have some of you ever used AIX[23:48:21] *** vraa has quit IRC[23:48:25] <ivo_> I am wondering If I should by an old Power5+ Workstation to play with AIX5L[23:48:39] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[23:48:42] <ivo_> ot even buy AIX6[23:49:54] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[23:51:02] *** blizzow has quit IRC[23:52:12] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[23:52:32] *** blizzow has joined #opensolaris[23:53:15] *** RoyK has quit IRC[23:56:56] *** z0mbix has joined #opensolaris[23:58:45] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris