[00:00:00] <lewellyn> alanc: ah that. yes.
[00:00:01] <alanc> the fixes for 134 were actually dealing with the tooltalk & cmsd services we put into IPS packages after 2009.06
[00:00:09] <lewellyn> oh awesome
[00:00:13] <alanc> fleyta: /usr/cde: no such file or directory
[00:00:52] <richlowe> lewellyn: don't encourage him.
[00:00:59] <richlowe> lewellyn: tooltalk (sadly) has its useful consumers.
[00:01:26] <alanc> specifically, fixing the SMF manifests to have the secure by default settings actually on by default, instead of assuming a postinstall script would clean them up with 'netservices limited', since clearly postinstall wasn't happening in IPS
[00:02:09] <lewellyn> richlowe: i pestered to get the dt/tt utilities into indiana. :)
[00:02:35] <lewellyn> the "oh awesome" wasn't sarcastic in the least
[00:03:18] <alanc> oh yeah, and the 3rd cde bug fix in 134a was to make richlowe stop complaining
[00:03:43] * lewellyn is interested in seeing that patch ;)
[00:04:00] <alanc> closed source 8-P
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[00:04:28] <richlowe> alanc: that is the greatest fix ever, there's probably a year or more of frustration in that.
[00:04:43] <alanc> fixed a bug in libtt that was affecting people that use the old Sun Workshop filemerge gui
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[00:04:54] <richlowe> probably any consumer of tooltalk
[00:05:27] <alanc> probably, but that's the most commonly used tooltalk consumer I know of these days
[00:05:37] <alanc> well, that and people using the old studio builds of xemacs
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[00:29:45] <ttys0> there's a fella at work who always growls a little when somebody mentions xemacs
[00:30:13] <bdha> As long as he doesn't bite anyone.
[00:30:18] <proprietarysucks> thanks, got the software installed on osol
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[00:30:22] <ttys0> he hasn't yet .... that I know of ;)
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[00:35:57] <lewellyn> ttys0: you wouldn't hear about it. that's sexual harassment ;)
[00:36:31] <lewellyn> anyone know if the ptmx/pty bug was fixed for 134a?
[00:37:00] <ttys0> lewellyn: LOL
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[00:39:02] <Tonnerre> Hm, if I install the 2009.06 OpenSolaris release, will I get a stable system with security updates?
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[00:39:20] <bdha> Tonnerre: It'll be stable-ish, but security updates require a support contract.
[00:39:30] <Tonnerre> bdha, for OpenSolaris?
[00:39:34] <bdha> Yes.
[00:39:38] <Tonnerre> Hm ok
[00:40:26] <Tonnerre> So I guess since I'm a private user it's getting time to leave the Solaris field after more than 20 years :/
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[00:40:47] <deet> yeah, probably a good time to give up your entire career
[00:40:48] <bdha> Tonnerre: You can always follow /dev.
[00:41:05] <bdha> If a given release is unstable, you can just roll back to the previous one.
[00:41:08] <bdha> (Boot Environments)++
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[00:41:31] <Tonnerre> deet, my current career job-wise evolves around a totally different area of software
[00:41:35] <bdha> s/release/build/
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[00:43:19] <nikolam> bdha, yup but that is not quite a viable solution for any normal use. i followed it for almosta year and i know it pretty much.
[00:43:34] <nikolam> But BE`s are life saver, thats for sure
[00:44:19] <bdha> Just throwing out the options. :)
[00:44:23] <Tonnerre> bdha, for toying around that's probably sufficient but it's not what I'd like to have on my private production servers
[00:44:25] <bdha> I run OS X workstations and manage Solaris 10 servers.
[00:45:15] <nikolam> Tonnerre, i guess if private server is truely private and only for known internal user, that might be ok.
[00:45:42] <nikolam> s10 does not count in this
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[00:46:15] <Tonnerre> nikolam, well, my current setup uses zones for separation of services like mail, configuration management, file serving, web serving etc
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[00:46:37] <Tonnerre> nikolam, so it runs outside-facing services, and up to now I had a security update feed from Sun
[00:46:44] * ttys0 hearts zones
[00:47:04] <lewellyn> Tonnerre: up till about 2.5 months ago, if you mean solaris
[00:47:09] <nikolam> Tonnerre, buy support for updates. nothing else will hel you, but using alternate opensolaris distribution etc.
[00:47:13] <Tonnerre> lewellyn, precisely
[00:47:40] <Tonnerre> nikolam, I'm a private user, not a company; I don't have a budget
[00:47:42] <CosmicDJ> so oracle really stopped providing free security/driver updates for solaris?
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[00:47:59] <nikolam> Tonnerre, then face it. I understand you exactly.
[00:48:12] <ttys0> Tonnerre: then /dev might work well for you
[00:48:20] <bdha> CosmicDJ: OpenSolaris never had free security updates.
[00:48:27] <bdha> CosmicDJ: Solaris's free security updates got pulled a few months ago.
[00:48:30] <nikolam> They wont give you updates for stable. Use /dev or .. whatever.
[00:48:54] <bdha> CosmicDJ: They're also munging hardware/firmware updates to require hardware contracts.
[00:49:24] <bdha> In short, Oracle is doing what it does very well: Make money.
[00:49:25] <Tonnerre> bdha, yah, let's see how long I can afford to continue running Sun hardware
[00:49:40] <nikolam> Tonnerre, there is also more then one opensolaris distribution, you know
[00:49:41] <bdha> Though some stuff is just ridiculous... like $90 for the MS Office ODF plugin, min license: 900 users.
[00:49:56] <bdha> Tonnerre: Yeah, that's our worry too. Thankfully all on x86 hardware, so we can jump if needed.
[00:50:01] <CosmicDJ> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6514-About-this-ODF-for-MS-Office-discussion.html
[00:50:43] <Meths> min license 100 users $9000.
[00:50:45] <Tonnerre> It really makes me sad after growing up on Solaris
[00:50:48] <nikolam> well, they can always use OpenOffice.org for free..
[00:50:53] <bdha> CosmicDJ: Oh, I don't care. I just think it's stupid.
[00:51:09] <bdha> Tonnerre: I moved our Linux infra to Solaris 10 three years ago. It's been great.
[00:51:15] <bdha> My solution is to move to a company with a bigger budget. :)
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[00:51:22] <nikolam> well, let them pay, Ms office users are there to pay, anyway
[00:52:02] <Tonnerre> bdha, I did that ;)
[00:52:15] <nikolam> maybe you can continuo to use it, just.. pay for minimal support and get updates, thats it.
[00:53:07] <ttys0> bdha: that doesn't always translate very well
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[00:53:31] <bdha> ttys0: ?
[00:54:00] <ttys0> bdha: bigger company with bigger budget can end up being more contrary than a smaller company with barely a budget
[00:54:04] <CosmicDJ> "My solution is to move to a company with a bigger budget. :)" <- IBM? ;-)
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[00:54:16] <nikolam> One might argue osol is actually rolling release .
[00:54:31] <ttys0> nikolam: that's how I've viewed it for a long time
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[03:16:15] <devians[w]> whats the point of the vnic having an ip then?
[03:16:40] <ttys0> dunno, you're the one that gave it one .... when I run virtualbox in a zone, I dedicate a vnic to it, but that vnic isn't plumbed
[03:18:11] <devians[w]> urgh. im really just having trouble getting a definitive answer on how to use vnics with vbox
[03:18:38] <ttys0> there probably isn't such a thing .... there's more than one approach, and you just pick the one that works best for you
[03:19:18] <LadySerena> I do funky things with VBox on my Mac.
[03:19:29] <ttys0> I tend to make vnics to be used with virtualbox, leave the vnic unplumbed, and then make sure the briged vbox nic has the same MAC as the vnic
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[03:19:46] <ttys0> is that the best approach? dunno ... it works well for me
[03:19:57] <devians[w]> i wouldnt be bothering, but vbox cant bind more than one machine to a nic.
[03:20:11] <devians[w]> ttys0 imo, the best approach is the one that works
[03:20:51] <ttys0> then I think you've found it ... make vnics and bridge your vbox nics through them
[03:21:32] <ttys0> I also like that approach since it works out well when the vbox VMs are shoved into zones
[03:24:32] <devians[w]> im not really familiar with zones. whats the advantage of them with vms?
[03:26:01] <ttys0> it's operating system level virtualization, so there's almost no overhead, and they're ZFS aware (though that's probably a misnomer ... I can't think of a better short way to describe it at the moment)
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[03:26:55] <ttys0> if you're a FreeBSDer, they're like chrooted jails with extras, if you're a Linuxer, they're like vserver VMs, but they actually work
[03:28:16] <devians[w]> yeah that was all spanish to me. im still not aware why i would want to have a vm in a zone. isnt a zone just a virtual instance of the os or something?
[03:28:59] <ttys0> you can apply resource control to a zone, which is something you can't do to a virtualbox VM by itself
[03:29:18] <devians[w]> resource control, as in mem/cpu?
[03:29:42] <ttys0> yep
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[03:32:16] <duckinator> this should prove exciting :D
[03:32:23] * duckinator boots the osol install CD on a 700MHz P3 w/ 512MB RAM
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[03:34:04] <devians[w]> hey ttys0, vbox needs the mac addresses to match doesnt it? ie the vnic mac and the vm nic mac? if my vnic is unplumbed, how do i do this?
[03:34:04] <ttys0> about as exciting as watching granny try to eat a taco without her dentures in
[03:34:31] <ttys0> devians[w]: dladm show-vnic
[03:34:36] <duckinator> ttys0: you're right, it's still booting ;D
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[03:36:33] <duckinator> heyyy it booted ;D
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[04:15:50] <alanc> Larry saw gdamore quoted on slashdot, so he's now on permanent deck-swabbing duty
[04:16:57] <alanc> which is still many of orders of magnitude better than what Steve is doing to the guy who left the iphone prototype in a bar
[04:17:00] <alanc> 8-)
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[04:19:16] <Hedonista> didnt someone lose a 3G prototype too?
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[04:20:58] <muthu> hi guys
[04:21:14] <muthu> i am trying to replicate configuration from one machine to another
[04:21:21] <muthu> i can setup most of things
[04:21:34] <muthu> but i am stuck at setting up the stripes
[04:21:58] <muthu> anyidea howto backup and restore the metadb
[04:22:03] <muthu> meta* info?
[04:23:14] <lewellyn> oh i missed the /. post. time to look
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[04:23:57] <lblume> lewellyn: Can you post on executive summary of it? Or do I have to go there myself? *shudder* :-P
[04:23:58] <lewellyn> lblume: Not here.
[04:24:43] <submesa> Hi there! Can anyone point me towards an equivalent to "gstat" on FreeBSD, where i can see physical disk activity, bandwidth, etc. Updates per second. Any suggestions here?
[04:24:57] <submesa> using OpenSolaris 2009.06
[04:25:02] <alanc> Executive Summary: gdamore posted from his personal account his opinion that open development hadn't proven itself economically, so slashdot posts "Oracle demands open source prove it's value or its going to kill it"
[04:25:04] <muthu> submesa: iostat is not good?
[04:25:25] <submesa> muthu: do you mean zpool iostat? or am i confused
[04:25:37] <alanc> because no one can tell Larry & Garrett apart behind those beards
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[04:26:49] * alanc should probably be glad slashdot hasn't picked up on anything I say here, especially the bits that aren't actually true
[04:26:52] <lewellyn> lblume: it was apparently a link to one of his ogb-discuss posts
[04:27:01] <ganbold_> hm, Does Jim Grisanzion irc?
[04:27:22] <muthu> submesa: iostat -d -n 1
[04:27:30] <Triskelios> ganbold_: don't think so
[04:27:33] <lewellyn> alanc: i'm kind of sad they've not quoted me anywhere ;)
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[04:27:36] <alanc> he used to sometimes, but I haven't seen jimgris on IRC other than during the annual meeting in a long time
[04:27:42] <lewellyn> it'd be proof that i actually matter ;)
[04:27:46] <submesa> muthu: thanks for clearing that up :)
[04:28:36] <muthu> np
[04:29:02] <lblume> lewellyn:  /. as a proof of your existence?
[04:29:04] <alanc> have to say less boring stuff to get on slashdot, like "Failed OGB Candidate Matt Lewandasky rips Oracle a new one for breaking compatibility with CDE standard"
[04:29:28] <lewellyn> lblume: i know i exist. i need proof that my existence matters :)
[04:29:37] <alanc> (and its unlikely slashdot will spell your name better than I fail to)
[04:30:53] <lblume> lewellyn: I don't know, maybe you're only an IRC bot.
[04:31:11] <lewellyn> lblume: invalid input. /msg lewellyn help for help
[04:31:23] <alanc> a meta-bot whose output is a simpler bot?
[04:31:45] <muthu> guys any help with the metadb ?
[04:31:53] <muthu> meta-bot?
[04:32:27] <lblume> alanc: Maybe its output is a better bot that's more able to conceal its self-awareness.
[04:33:26] <lewellyn> muthu: can you elaborate?
[04:33:27] <alanc> most opensolaris users use zfs, not the older solaris volume manager - I don't really remember metadb any more, been too long
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[04:33:37] <muthu> anyidea howto backup and restore the metadb
[04:33:42] <muthu> information
[04:33:46] <lewellyn> as in svm?
[04:33:51] <muthu> yes
[04:33:55] <lewellyn> this is on opensolaris?
[04:33:59] <muthu> yes
[04:34:05] <lblume> Wow, SVM on osol.
[04:34:07] <muthu> svccfg
[04:34:10] <muthu> not svm
[04:34:12] <muthu> sorry
[04:34:21] <muthu> lvm
[04:34:38] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: i hate to break it to you, but most of the crap on /. doesnt matter
[04:35:05] <oninoshiko> at least el-reg is amusing... /. doesn't even manage that
[04:35:05] <lblume> svccfg? lvm? This is becoming..... rather interesting. I'll just grab some breakfast and watch.
[04:35:36] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: i know it doesn't matter. that's why i forgot my password on /. years ago
[04:35:47] <oninoshiko> ditto
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[04:36:27] <lblume> Wow, *actual* people who had accounts on /. !
[04:36:40] <alanc> I think I still have my slashdot passwd
[04:36:48] <lblume> Well, if IRC bots can be considered actual people.
[04:37:16] <alanc> actually, I appear to even have my slashdot cookie still - wonder when I last logged in
[04:37:39] <lattera_> can I just take a moment and say I love OpenSolaris?
[04:37:42] <Triskelios> I logged in for the first time since high school after the gdamore stroy
[04:38:49] <alanc> oh, yeah, I apparently logged in back in January to post a comment on the Sun/Oracle completion story
[04:39:15] <jbk> alanc: did you shower afterwards? =]
[04:40:09] <alanc> looks like previous to that was 2007
[04:40:58] <lblume> Nerdier than /. abuse: competing to show how long between /. connections! :-D
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[04:41:48] <Triskelios> muthu: feel like rephrasing the question?
[04:42:03] <Gman> slashdot makes me want to tear my eyes out
[04:42:36] <Gman> elreg is infinitely more readable for gutter press
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[04:43:47] <lblume> you guys are convincing me to read /. more to be able to diss it effectively.
[04:43:56] <lewellyn> alanc: looks like my last login was in 2007 too
[04:44:24] <Triskelios> lblume: have fun...
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[04:46:02] <CodeWar> whats /.
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[04:49:34] <lewellyn> CodeWar: slashdot.org
[04:49:38] <lewellyn> not worth your time :)
[04:49:58] <CodeWar> lewellyn, ahh so thats where it gets its name from .. interesting :-)
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[05:19:35] <devians[w]> was that meant to be some joke originally about its h t t p : / / / . . org or something?
[05:20:39] <Triskelios> devians[w]: I always assumed it was just a Unix path
[05:21:09] <devians[w]> hrm, wouldnt it be dotslash then?
[05:21:52] <devians[w]> heh. dotdotslash (news for parents of nerds, stuff that matters)
[05:22:21] <devians[w]> todays top story 'cheetos linked to virginity, how to get your child out of your basement'
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[05:48:58] <jthunder> could I be getting a crashed syslogd service (core dump) if my /etc/syslog.conf file has errors in it?
[05:50:57] <jbk> possibly
[05:50:58] <Triskelios> jthunder: it's certainly within the realm of possibility. a pstack on the core file should be able to confirm it
[05:50:59] <jbk> btw
[05:51:02] <jbk> now that you're back
[05:51:07] <jthunder> haha
[05:51:18] <jthunder> yeah got busy and had to bolt before
[05:52:13] <jbk> try (as root)
[05:52:34] <jthunder> ok here is the pstack on the core dump - http://pastebin.org/163923
[05:52:36] <jbk>  /usr/sbin/syslogd -d
[05:52:46] <jbk> that should enable some debugging output
[05:52:49] <jthunder> ok
[05:53:02] <jthunder> will pfexec be ok?
[05:53:11] <jbk> yes
[05:53:36] <duckinator> just finished installing osol xD
[05:53:46] <jthunder> jbk - genius
[05:53:52] <duckinator> 2139 - 2359...lol
[05:53:56] <duckinator> 2 hours and 20 minutes
[05:53:57] <jthunder> writemsg(9): Logging msg 'syslogd: /var/log/syslog: No such file or directory' to FILE /var/adm/debug
[05:54:55] <jbk> might also try /usr/sbin/syslogd -d > /dev/msglog &
[05:55:05] <jbk> and see what the debug log shows
[05:55:09] <jbk> but now i need to get to sleep
[05:55:13] <jthunder> k thanks!
[05:57:00] <jthunder> I get a permission denied on /dev/msglog
[05:57:05] <jthunder> with pfexec
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[06:00:22] * duckinator giggles at the >7 minute boot time
[06:00:46] <duckinator> 7 min, 23s boot time xD
[06:02:56] <jthunder> I think I found the problem now:  as soon as the syslogd process gets a request from another host "net_poll(14): received message from 192.168.1.1.2.2"
[06:03:03] <jthunder> then it segfaults
[06:03:14] <Andys^> lolwtf
[06:03:19] <jthunder> what's up with the .2.2 on the end of the address?
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[06:06:04] <Andys^> *tumbleweeds*
[06:06:05] <jthunder> its like the hostname_lookup is failing based on the first message it gets
[06:06:12] <jthunder> anyone?
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[06:08:10] <jthunder> could ipv6 be messing up syslogd?
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[06:11:56] <cmecca> anyone around?
[06:12:06] <bdha> Ahoy.
[06:12:50] <cmecca> i just installed opensolaris for the 2nd time tonight.. im having a disk issue ive never seen before... x86 install... bad pbr sig after it installs... i changed disks (even interfaces since this new disk is sata, old one was ide)
[06:12:54] <cmecca> same
[06:12:57] <cmecca> bad pbr sig
[06:13:03] <cmecca> i mustve installed opensolaris 2k times in my life and ive never come across this
[06:13:07] <cmecca> :P
[06:13:12] <cmecca> any ideas on an easy fix?
[06:13:19] <JonathanYC> Hi again :D
[06:13:26] <JonathanYC> Does anyone know how to get spellcheck working for openoffice?
[06:13:34] <JonathanYC> I remember on linux I had to install myspell, or something like that.
[06:14:43] <bdha> cmecca: Boot the LiveCD and see if there's an active partition on the disk.
[06:14:49] * bdha guessing, vaguely recalls having that problem.
[06:14:52] <bdha> Older system?
[06:15:18] <cmecca> nah like... fairly recent athlon x2
[06:15:19] <cmecca> 4gb
[06:15:21] <cmecca> etc etc
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[06:15:25] <cmecca> booting cd
[06:16:34] <bdha> http://forum.opensolaris.com/message.jspa?messageID=859
[06:17:05] <bdha> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4310
[06:17:07] <bdha> huh.
[06:17:24] <cmecca> i built the machine myself so theres definately no dell restore partitions or anythign as is suggested in that first link
[06:17:30] <bdha> Linux swap partition, or anything?
[06:17:36] <cmecca> nah
[06:19:51] <cmecca> im sumina bitch
[06:19:53] <cmecca> i got it :P
[06:20:06] <cmecca> in the bios... the new "solaris disk" was HD4
[06:20:15] <cmecca> i moved the sata priority to HD1 and it fired right up
[06:20:20] <cmecca> bdha: thanks for helping me out :) :)
[06:20:30] <bdha> aha. :)
[06:22:51] <jthunder> ok, here is an example of the core dump - I have a feeling that its related to the .2.2 - http://pastebin.org/163984
[06:23:38] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionary
[06:23:46] <JonathanYC> Thanks Triskelios :D
[06:24:59] <JonathanYC> Heh
[06:25:09] <JonathanYC> I added this printer, and it even successfully connect
[06:25:15] <JonathanYC> but it does not appear in Open Office's print dialog.
[06:25:17] <JonathanYC> Do you know why?
[06:26:57] <jmcp> for the same reason that my stomach hurts?
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[06:27:28] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: you may have to restart oo.o
[06:28:31] <Triskelios> jthunder: seems to be a red herring; "This routine will convert a TCP/IP internal format address into a "universal" format address. In our case it prints out the decimal dot equivalent. h1.h2.h3.h4.p1.p2 where h1-h4 are the host address and p1-p2 are the port number."
[06:28:55] <jthunder> hm
[06:29:20] <jthunder> well it is definitely related to the remote logging, cause it stays running until a remote host sends some data
[06:30:29] <Triskelios> the crash is in cvthname, so that's certainly true
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[06:33:46] <JonathanYC> Hello :D
[06:34:02] <JonathanYC> I have tried to set up my Officejet 6300 for Open Solaris, but I get the following two issues.
[06:34:08] <JonathanYC> 1) The printer is not available for Open Office
[06:34:13] <JonathanYC> and 2) The printer cannot print at all
[06:34:22] <JonathanYC> It is a HP Officejet 6300. :(
[06:35:18] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: I hope you didn't just restart the computer... "oo.o" was short for openoffice.org
[06:36:04] <JonathanYC> I didn't just restart my computer :D
[06:36:05] <jthunder> maybe someone can enable remote logging on snv_134 and see if the issue is only isolated to me
[06:36:11] <JonathanYC> Sorry though, what do you mean by "oo.o"
[06:36:22] <JonathanYC> I can even ping the printer D:
[06:36:52] <Triskelios> it's a network printer?
[06:36:56] <JonathanYC> YEp
[06:37:38] <JonathanYC> I have set it up with CUPS on linux before, but I don't know if there is a similar utility on OpenSolaris.
[06:38:41] <Triskelios> CUPS is available as a print system, but the default print system is not CUPS
[06:38:54] <JonathanYC> Ah.
[06:39:07] <sand_man> is anyone else getting sever slowdowns with the package manager in snv_134?
[06:39:10] <JonathanYC> Is it possible to configure my printer for CUPS then carry it over to the default print system?
[06:40:53] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: they're mutually exclusive
[06:41:41] <Triskelios> JonathanYC: if you plugged in the printer with USB, you should get a dialog box with the default print system... that GUI hasn't been converted for CUPS yet
[06:43:25] <Triskelios> print-service -s cups should switch to CUPS (you may have to pkg install it first), at which point you can use the web interface
[06:44:17] <JonathanYC> OK, thanks :D
[06:44:41] <JonathanYC> I assume the package name is cups?
[06:44:51] <JonathanYC> aparently not
[06:44:54] <JonathanYC> apparently(
[06:44:59] <Triskelios> should be now?
[06:45:08] <JonathanYC> I'm trying to pkg install it
[06:45:10] <Triskelios> unless you're running 2009.06
[06:45:26] <JonathanYC> I installed solaris today :/
[06:45:46] <JonathanYC> Oh dear
[06:45:48] <JonathanYC> I am running 2009.06
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[06:46:04] <JonathanYC> Is there a newer version?
[06:46:22] <Beket> JonathanYC, 2009.06 is 111b. There's /dev at 134
[06:46:43] <Beket> Next release is ~  2010.06
[06:46:51] <JonathanYC> Ah
[06:47:00] <JonathanYC> In that case, how should I install cups?
[06:47:11] <Beket> I don't know, is there a package in IPS ?
[06:47:16] <LadySerena> yes!
[06:47:21] <LadySerena> pkg install cups
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[06:47:30] <JonathanYC> LadySerena: I tried that, it doesn't work. :(
[06:47:34] <JonathanYC> Apparently it is "SUNWcups"
[06:47:40] <LadySerena> ohs
[06:47:45] <JonathanYC> Thanks anyways :D
[06:47:48] <LadySerena> its just "cups" in 134
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[06:49:22] <JonathanYC> Is it recommended to upgrade to 134?
[06:49:47] <JonathanYC> Should I upgrade to 134? :O
[06:50:12] <JonathanYC> In which case, _how_ do I upgrade to 134?
[06:50:55] <Triskelios> smrt: explain dev repository
[06:50:55] <smrt>  To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors
[06:51:44] <JonathanYC> Haha, thanks
[06:51:50] <JonathanYC> I'll read them now :O
[06:52:02] <Triskelios> 2009.06 is quite old at this point. if the next stable release wasn't delayed, there wouldn't be much reason to use it
[06:52:18] <JonathanYC> Sorry again for my ignorance, but where are the release notes/
[06:52:24] <JonathanYC> I can find an announcement and a blog post, but not the release notes :(
[06:52:47] <Triskelios> the announcement contains the release notes
[06:52:57] <LadySerena>  /topic
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[06:53:22] <JonathanYC> Ah, the release notes _are_ the existing issues, etc. right?
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[06:53:56] <JonathanYC> Do you know if this error is common? 6914346 upgrade from OpenSolaris 2009.06 (111b2) to 130 fails with stale
[06:55:14] <JonathanYC> Ah well - nothing important on this computer anyhow :D
[06:55:25] <JonathanYC> Thanks for all of your help!
[06:56:02] <Triskelios> upgrading is non-destructive; you should still be able to boot 2009.06 if anything goes wrong
[06:56:22] <JonathanYC> Wait, does that mean that the files are going to accumulate over time?
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[06:57:10] <dover> JonathanYC: there is a beadm tool to manage them
[06:57:28] <JonathanYC> Thanks, I'll read up on that :D
[06:57:56] <JonathanYC> This OpenSolaris channel is quite possibly the most helpful OS related channel I have ever encountered
[06:58:24] <JonathanYC> Sorry, I have to leave now - thanks agian for all of your help
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[07:13:34] <Jondice> Triskelios, is that statement really true in general - what if there was a nasty filesystem bug, as unlikely as that may be
[07:14:24] <trochej> Coffee
[07:15:30] <LadySerena> caffeine: gold top (SST), goes to chemistry
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[07:30:21] <freetown2> Beket, is that official? 2010.06?
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[07:30:56] <Beket> freetown2, no, I just saw a presentation from a solaris employ where it mentioned that next opensolaris will be out till half of 2010
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[07:31:03] <Beket> it=he
[07:31:34] <freetown2> ah, a sun employee, not a oracle one eh?
[07:32:11] <freetown2> interesting - i guess yearly releases will be the thing
[07:32:20] <kohju> I'm at the seminar , Oracle + Sun : Transforming the Industry , at Tokyo in Japan.
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[07:32:47] <freetown2> so...what did anybody there say about the next release?
[07:33:15] <lewellyn> freetown2: it wasn't intended to be late. but the schedule was already slightly optimistic. add in an acquisition and some pretty major bugs needing fixing, and you have the makings of a decent delay
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[07:33:42] <Beket> freetown2, http://bit.ly/cGAz9x this is the pdf
[07:33:56] <freetown2> lewellyn, late? was there an annoucement? if not, it ain't late. :D
[07:33:57] <lewellyn> freetown2: Not here.
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[07:34:49] <kohju> it is written "OpenSolaris next release in first CY2010 in this paper.
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[07:35:06] <freetown2> major bugs - got a link?
[07:35:18] <kohju> :)
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[07:38:41] <lewellyn> freetown2: there was something resembling an announcement a few months ago, yes
[07:38:46] <lewellyn> and no links
[07:39:01] <lewellyn> but look at 134's release notes
[07:39:24] <lewellyn> you can't expect every user to manually update device entries while going release -> release, for example.
[07:39:33] <lewellyn> this isn't linux :P
[07:39:43] <jdoe> zzzzing
[07:40:01] <freetown2> eh? update device entries?
[07:40:06] <lewellyn> smrt: explain pty
[07:40:07] <smrt>  After updating a system running build 125 or earlier to any later build, you may have trouble opening terminal sessions (local and remote/ssh) because of missing device permission configuration. Edit /etc/minor_perm and run devfsadm to permanently fix this. See http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=12380 for details.
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[07:40:14] <lewellyn> that
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[07:40:42] <lewellyn> again, read the release notes in /topic
[07:41:10] <freetown2> ooh...i hope that bug is sorted before 2010.06
[07:41:14] <lewellyn> if it were my product, i'd not be releasing with release notes that long :)
[07:41:33] <freetown2> i hope Oracle don't take that tradition away...
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[07:41:48] <lewellyn> which? schedule slip?
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[07:42:02] <lewellyn> heh. i love how comay leaves whenever things like this come up :P
[07:42:35] <lewellyn> it's almost as if he fears we'll ask questions!
[07:42:39] <freetown2> lewellyn, long release notes
[07:42:56] <lewellyn> they shouldn't be that long :P
[07:43:24] <freetown2> how else are you going to drive barmy linux users like me away? :P
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[07:44:43] <lewellyn> same way as always: make $PATH suck
[07:45:24] <freetown2> hmm...not working hard enough, ggrep is still in path and so on :D
[07:45:29] <lewellyn> oh. and make compiling confusing
[07:45:52] <lewellyn> and networking
[07:45:59] <freetown2> hahaha
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[07:46:26] <freetown2> i wonder how far the latest sun cc goes with gcc extensions...
[07:46:30] <lewellyn> and make the gui admin tools of choice almost useful and underdocumented and perhaps not even installed by default
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[07:46:39] <freetown2> we are still get sun studio with opensolaris right?
[07:46:41] <lewellyn> you mean gccfss?
[07:46:45] <lewellyn> yes
[07:47:08] <lewellyn> ok. i gotta get my nose back to the grindstone so i can sleep tonight
[07:47:09] <freetown2> phew.
[07:47:23] <freetown2> sure. thanks for the info
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[07:59:25] <Triskelios> freetown2: there's an impending rename to "Solaris Studio", but it's still the main compiler
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[08:01:22] <freetown2> Triskelios, so long as I get a Sun compiler and not gcc, i'm one happy carp
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[08:01:52] <freetown2> otherwise, i'd looking down nexenta/stormos road
[08:02:30] <freetown2> man, my typing is not that same as what i'm thinking. maybe i should not go to work when i am ill...
[08:07:34] <madwizard> Coffee
[08:09:45] <madwizard> I need it bad. :/
[08:11:01] <LadySerena> caffeine: gold top, goes to chemistry
[08:14:06] * freetown2 hands madwizard a kettle of espresso.
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[08:15:37] <Triskelios> weird, http://wiki.oracle.com/ run by a third-part company called "Wetpaint" which mostly runs entertainment fan wikis
[08:19:03] <zazenrasta> lagoramma
[08:19:10] <zazenrasta> (-.-)'
[08:20:10] <zazenrasta> s/lagoramma/lag o' ramma
[08:21:48] <freetown2> wetpaint? i wonder if that is the same the kids in the school i work in use...
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[08:24:25] <Stric> if you're bored, you can watch it dry
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[08:45:04] <lewellyn> Triskelios: wow. that thing looks like crap :P
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[08:52:03] <anarchos> Hi, new to solaris, and I am wondering how do i tell which entry in /dev/dsk/ is my harddrive?
[08:52:42] <Triskelios> anarchos: iostat -En
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[08:53:03] <joshua_> also zpool status
[08:53:04] <anarchos> command not found
[08:53:56] <anarchos> ok this may have something to do with this is the network install iso image
[08:54:31] <anarchos> im trying to create a pool on my hdd to copy the CD over to (thats as far as i can tell the installation method for a base install?)
[08:55:08] <CIA-21> rui zang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Aaron.Zang at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2010/119 "Console User" assignment, logindevperm and virtual console update, 6885612 "Console user" profile implementation need to be updated after Virtual Console integration
[08:55:19] <Triskelios> anarchos: uh, use the installer for that
[08:55:50] <anarchos> it just dumped me into the terminal...i dont get what to do :P
[08:57:42] <Triskelios> did it not boot correctly? svcs -xv auto-installer
[08:58:19] <anarchos> idunno it seems to have booted right
[08:58:25] <anarchos> im starting to think i got the wrong image
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[08:59:48] <anarchos> i have the autoinstalled image, i guess
[08:59:56] <anarchos> installer, sorry.
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[09:01:08] <madwizard> Coffee
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[09:08:33] <Triskelios> anarchos: make sure you pass the right boot args on sparc: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/dev/AIinstall/howbootable.html
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[09:16:23] <anarchos> hmmm
[09:16:45] <freetown2> i wonder why the mysql svc script calls mysqld and not mysqld_safe...
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[09:21:10] <freetown2> what did i say?
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[09:55:03] <CIA-21> Milan Cermak <Milan.Cermak at Sun dot COM>: 4455694 udf_access does not lock inode for reading
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[10:32:51] <m4rzito> hi
[10:33:18] <m4rzito> Can i use opensolaris at env production?. I get the bugfixes or I need to wait allways 6month
[10:34:08] <RoyK> hi all. I have this osol test system, SuperMicro X7SBU motherboard, 8x2TB disk and 4GB RAM, but osol only sees 2GB. BIOS reports 4GB, and prtdiag sees both memory modules, but prtconf only reports 2GB memory. Any ideas?
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[10:35:59] <Stric> RoyK: boot with -v and see if it says anything.. or check kernel logs..
[10:36:15] <m4rzito> RoyK, see memory install doc
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[10:36:57] <RoyK> m4rzito: huh?
[10:38:44] <m4rzito> oh sorry I don't read supermicro server
[10:39:00] <m4rzito> at Sun servers you need to put memory how they tell
[10:39:15] <taemun> RoyK: what HBA?
[10:39:46] <m4rzito> Can i use opensolaris at env production?. I get the bugfixes or I need to wait allways 6month
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[10:43:11] <CosmicDJ> m4rzito: you can buy opensolaris support (which includes bugfixes for releases) IIRC
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[10:56:39] <Spencer_tt> can I msg you for help lewellyn :)
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[10:59:44] <RoyK> tsoome: you mean motherboard? Se above
[10:59:56] <tsoome> ?
[11:01:16] <RoyK> s/tsoome/taemun/
[11:01:27] <taemun> no, storage card
[11:01:27] <taemun> the HBA
[11:01:30] <taemun> @ RoyK
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[11:03:59] <joshua_> CosmicDJ, not any more, you can't...
[11:06:29] <tsoome> joshua_: tbh im not sure if you can buy *any* support atm from oracle.
[11:07:08] <tsoome> i havent heard they have fixed it yet.
[11:07:16] <m4rzito> CosmicDJ
[11:07:33] <m4rzito> But I don't want to pay?, I cannot get security updates?
[11:07:51] <tsoome> ude /dev
[11:07:55] <tsoome> use*
[11:08:05] <tsoome> or use source and build yourself
[11:09:06] <m4rzito> I don't understand why I don't get security updates
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[11:11:05] <CosmicDJ> m4rzito: well they have to make some money...
[11:13:34] <m4rzito> where I find a free solaris alternative option?
[11:14:54] <houst0n> m4rzito: oracle isn't interested in giving you anything for free, you could try an alternative distro though, such as belenix
[11:15:21] <CosmicDJ> or nexenta
[11:15:34] <houst0n> nexenta is pretty useless
[11:15:34] <m4rzito> but Can I do the same?, zones, live upgrade?
[11:15:53] <houst0n> m4rzito: Yep
[11:16:08] <houst0n> I wouldn't use either of those on a production machine, though
[11:16:32] <m4rzito> yes..
[11:16:37] <houst0n> Really your options there are S10 or redhat w/ openvz and so on
[11:16:38] <m4rzito> I try FreeBSD better..
[11:17:09] <houst0n> Suit yourself, FreeBSD is kind of useless
[11:17:16] <houst0n> s/useless/pointless/
[11:17:23] <CosmicDJ> yeah yeah, everything is useless but solaris
[11:17:31] <houst0n> Not true
[11:17:38] <m4rzito> useless why?
[11:17:43] <m4rzito> I've zfs, jails, etc
[11:17:49] <m4rzito> free
[11:17:54] <m4rzito> and very stable
[11:18:07] <houst0n> m4rzito: Because no one uses it, you need to compile your own shit for it, you can't get a support contract for it, etc
[11:18:21] <houst0n> I'm not talking about little home webservers here :P - it may be great for that
[11:18:30] <m4rzito> I don't want support contract
[11:18:41] <m4rzito> this is for my personal server
[11:18:44] <m4rzito> not a company
[11:18:53] <houst0n> Ah then who cares?
[11:18:53] <m4rzito> I don't pay for a support or licenses
[11:18:57] <houst0n> Go with whatever
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[11:19:00] <houst0n> :P
[11:19:15] <Andys^> m4rzito: freebsd's memory management is broken (with respect to ZFS ARC vs system buffer cache)
[11:19:32] <houst0n> Morning Andys^ mate, how are ya?
[11:19:45] <Andys^> hello :)
[11:20:14] <Andys^> m4rzito: also freebsd jails are not really up to scratch, too many missing features. you can't properly limit CPU/RAM for jails. SYSV shared memory is shared amongst all jails (!!)
[11:20:52] <m4rzito> I like solaris, but I cannot pay for
[11:20:56] <|woody|> m4rzito just use the opensolaris dev repo
[11:21:21] <m4rzito> but for example if tomorrow publish a security bug, I need to wait 6month to update ?
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[11:21:23] <m4rzito> I don't understand this
[11:21:25] <houst0n> m4rzito: The closest thing to zones you can get outside of solaris is imo openvz
[11:21:52] <m4rzito> I prefeer xen
[11:22:03] <|woody|> m4rzito no /dev is updated every 2-3 weeks
[11:22:05] <houst0n> i said zones, not full hypervisor
[11:22:14] <|woody|> in normal cases :)
[11:22:16] <m4rzito> but woody I need to compile all?
[11:22:20] <|woody|> no
[11:22:35] <m4rzito> for example If i've a kernel bug?
[11:22:38] <|AbsyntH|> virtserver olso si like zone
[11:23:19] <|woody|> you wait for 2 weeks and pkg image-update done
[11:23:33] <|woody|> if the bug was fixed :)
[11:23:37] <m4rzito> 2 weeks.. many time
[11:23:55] <|AbsyntH|> http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org <=this
[11:24:05] <m4rzito> I use some times vserver
[11:24:15] <m4rzito> but I don't like gnu/linux ..
[11:24:23] <|woody|> well if you want it fixed tomorrow buy hyper extrem support
[11:24:40] <|woody|> thats how it works
[11:24:46] <m4rzito> what time I need to wait at solaris?
[11:25:03] <|woody|> depends on the bug
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[11:25:36] <|woody|> support might give you a interim fix or a workaround or whatever until it is fixed
[11:25:44] <|AbsyntH|> m4rzito you can use fbsd's jails if you don't like linux project
[11:26:01] <m4rzito> but memory shared..
[11:26:01] <|woody|> might still take a while because it needs to be tested etc
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[11:26:52] <|woody|> solaris is an enterprise OS. So they make sure the patch doesn't break anything else
[11:27:21] <m4rzito> http://wiki.freebsd.org/Jails
[11:27:25] <m4rzito> Andys^
[11:27:30] <m4rzito> memory and cpu are fine not?
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[11:30:12] <pettson> What is the gain of being slow with producing security patches?
[11:30:35] <tsoome> slow itself is not any gain
[11:30:53] <tsoome> slow is an side effect only
[11:32:13] <pettson> So the "wait two weeks", is that maximum two weeks, or is it a forced and fictive time that it takes every time?
[11:32:53] <tsoome> well, /dev is not machanism to produce security patches
[11:34:03] <|woody|> well the dev binary is normaly updated every two week. Which doesn't meen the bug was fixed
[11:34:29] <|woody|> If it takes longer to fix it then you have to wait until it is fixed
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[11:35:33] <tsoome> opensolaris is beta, its not production quality os.
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[11:38:33] <m4rzito> then.. for a personal security server
[11:38:41] <m4rzito> what it's the best option?
[11:38:48] <m4rzito> free as possible
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[11:38:56] <tsoome> what is security server?
[11:38:58] <Spencer_tt> pettson: imagine yourself as a toyota driver and you probably won't to accept quick fixes for braking issues, sun needs to take it's time to make & test updated fixes - speed is kinda pointless
[11:39:08] <m4rzito> personal files, blog, mail
[11:39:23] <Spencer_tt> something like OpenBSD?
[11:39:49] <tsoome> tbh, that kind of "security" server does not depend on os vendor patches at all.
[11:40:33] <m4rzito> yes, I know, hardening etc
[11:40:41] <tsoome> its most likely your blog engine which will get security related hits
[11:40:45] <m4rzito> but hardening without OS patchs..
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[11:41:11] <m4rzito> Spencer_tt OpenBSD doesn't support xen/zones. Only systrace to trace apps
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[11:41:35] <tsoome> well, lets say your server has security issue with app called less.
[11:41:56] <tsoome> what happens if you wont get patch next day you discover the flaw?
[11:42:06] <tsoome> nothing.
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[11:46:40] <m4rzito> yes, but two weeks?
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[11:47:44] <tsoome> well, the real question is, who are users of that app called "less". if there are no local users, it does not really matter if you dont apply update in years;)
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[11:48:11] <tsoome> however, if there are local users, you have 2 options - get it fixed asap, or disable it
[11:49:39] <|woody|> and still I don't think there is much stuff that is fixed in two weeks. If you don't compile it yourself
[11:50:13] <m4rzito> someone read about ISC project?
[11:51:15] <m4rzito> http://blogs.sun.com/gbrunett/entry/new_opensolaris_immutable_service_containers
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[11:55:02] <CIA-21> Jim Rice <Jim.Rice at Sun dot COM>: 6861149 ufs panic: ufs_putapage: bn == UFS_HOLE
[11:55:54] <tsoome> huh
[11:59:26] <Spencer_tt> sounds good m4rzito
[11:59:49] <Spencer_tt> have you tried it
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[12:05:45] <|woody|> oh ufs bug :) thats rare
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[12:07:20] <pettson> Spencer_tt: Yes, of course they have to take their time. My question was more like: What do Oracle/Sun gain by provide patches later for non-paying customers? (if non-paying customers actually get patches later)
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[12:10:10] <Spencer_tt> good question
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[12:10:29] <Andys^> m4rzito: well, the CPU/ram limits are flakey. there's no official patch. if you want to upgrade the OS you have to port the patches to the new version
[12:10:58] <Andys^> m4rzito: the memory patches aren't very sophisticated. EG, you start apache in a jail with 10 processes, it think its using 10 times the amount of memory its actually using (due to shared memory)
[12:11:28] <Andys^> Separated SysV IPC still isn't done... there's patches for freebsd 6.x only
[12:11:53] <m4rzito> and opensolaris have it?
[12:11:54] <Andys^> really there's alot of work that needs to be done to fix jails.. they're still somewhat useful at present time for doing things like running BIND/named in a jail
[12:13:00] <Andys^> right
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[12:14:39] <m4rzito> and for example, If I install nginx, and I want to harden it... how I can limit files, sockets, nginx uses?
[12:14:43] <m4rzito> similar to SELinux?
[12:15:34] <Andys^> i believe so
[12:15:48] <Andys^> i personally use vmware and not zones
[12:16:00] <m4rzito> why?
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[12:18:50] <Andys^> because solaris is too different to linux which creates system administration issues
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[12:20:20] <m4rzito> issues?
[12:20:22] <m4rzito> what issues?
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[12:33:41] <jbit> people refusing to admin the linxu boxes after they learn the solaris ways?
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[13:11:27] <ttys0> I don't like it, but I still have to admin some Windows boxes .... just part of the job
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[13:13:11] <darki> me too .(
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[13:37:16] <Spencer_tt> as an admin as long as you don't have to get constant mcse certification renewals - an admin's job is not perfect
[13:39:41] <houst0n> If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the issue
[13:41:47] <Spencer_tt> I think "some"people thrive on issues
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[13:50:14] <Spencer_tt> how about development, not it in the sense of the dev repo - where does it fit in, some of us are only good at one thing - breaking & making.
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[13:55:15] <CIA-21> Eiji Ota <Eiji.Ota at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2010/043 Reliable Datagram Service v3, 6850013 RDS driver upgrade to version 3, 6902396 su_recv does not call pollwakeup() for zero-len datagrams when protocol uses uio recv
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[13:57:14] <Bill-> I'm happy now, managed to reproduce the sun benchmark figures for the f20
[13:57:40] <Bill-> 90k random 4k writes
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[13:58:09] <tsoome> how many HBA's were you using?
[13:58:26] <tsoome> and with 8k will you get 45k IOPS?
[13:59:21] <tsoome> ah, its f20, so hba question is silly:D
[13:59:47] <Bill-> well, I do have five other LSI HBAs in the box and 48 spindles :-)
[14:00:20] <tsoome> naa, i meant 8k block iops against f20
[14:01:04] <Bill-> 8k blocks are coming in around 54k iops
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[14:01:16] <tsoome> hm, not bad at all
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[14:03:32] <Bill-> I have a little stack of dell r410s to hammer this thing with iscsi, so then we'll have some real numbers, not just a local vdbench
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[14:05:42] <Bill-> the main thing seems to be to get the sd driver config right so the cache-nonvolatile bit is set
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[14:09:50] <tsoome> thats easy.
[14:10:15] <tsoome> sd-config-list = "VID PID", "cache-nonvolatile:true";
[14:17:40] <tsoome> which is really kind of stupid, because f20 and related products have been around for a while to get sd updated......
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[14:25:00] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i wasn't around :P
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[14:30:17] <madwizard> Coffee
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[14:31:08] <lewellyn> good idea. do you deliver?
[14:31:13] <madwizard> lewellyn: Always
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[14:32:28] <lewellyn> come on over. i have windows domain issues at two sites i'm trying to deal with :D
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[14:33:39] <madwizard> that would be a long walk. :)
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[14:38:15] <lewellyn> off a short pier :P
[14:38:32] <darki> i want a short beer ;D
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[14:46:28] <madwizard> hehehe
[14:46:28] <madwizard> A schroedinbug is a bug that manifests only after someone reading source code or using the program in an unusual way notices that it never should have worked in the first place, at which point the program promptly stops working for everybody until fixed
[14:48:37] <devians> urgh, i've run into a few of those
[14:48:58] <devians> has anyone here managed to get host only networking working in virtualbox?
[14:49:03] <devians> im getting no love :/
[14:53:42] <madwizard> devians: Many times: host solaris 10, guests: freebsd, belenix, opensolaris 2009.06
[14:54:38] <devians> i have an xp vm with 2 nics, one bridged attached to a vnic, works fine, and another nic thats host only, cant ping a damn thing :(
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[14:58:22] <devians> madwizard: see anything obviously broken? http://pastebin.com/BCTnv5Bi
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[14:59:55] <kmays> e1000g1
[15:00:09] <devians> its not plugged in
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[15:01:02] <kmays> SO, the NIC thatis not pinging anything..does it ping itself? What does it report?
[15:01:18] <devians> it can ping itself fine
[15:01:26] <kmays> gateway?
[15:01:39] <kmays> or other NIC?
[15:01:39] <devians> no gateway, its a host only interface
[15:01:44] <kmays> Ah
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[15:04:05] <madwizard> Khm
[15:04:13] <madwizard> Seems okay to me, but I never tried Windows guest
[15:05:22] <devians> :(
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[15:06:59] <kmays> Usually it is a "what sees it and what does it see thing" thing
[15:07:02] <darki> when you have more then 1 nic under windows you can select the first and secondary nic, maybe yiu must switch the nics in order
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[15:12:00] <devians> darki, how do you specify order?
[15:12:10] <devians> i tried disabling the bridged nic but it didnt help
[15:13:26] <darki> puuuuhhhhh, i dont know the english windows, but you find the option in the advanced network setting in a submenu
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[15:15:19] <nettezzaumana> heya
[15:15:58] <nettezzaumana> can i somehow dump from running kernel all accepted variables ?? like what is accepted from /etc/system
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[15:16:45] <nettezzaumana> or the best, the list of all acceptable parameters with theirs current values?
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[15:18:13] <CosmicDJ> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0404?l=en "Solaris Tunable Parameters Reference Manual" I guess that's what you're looking for
[15:18:38] <CosmicDJ> Chapter 2 Solaris Kernel Tunable Parameters
[15:18:40] <CosmicDJ> ofc
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[15:18:59] <nettezzaumana> CosmicDJ: yeah. of course i am looking on it but i still want to find a way howto dump it directly from running kernel .. probably with mdb
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[15:21:44] <causality> guys/gals
[15:21:55] <darki> gals, here?
[15:21:59] <darki> where? ;D
[15:22:04] <causality> what would be the best solution for opensolaris on my work laptop, but giving me a windows xp vm for my corp work on a second monitor
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[15:22:40] <kmays> devians: check your MTU settings throughout your network. Does it work fine under load..stress testing?
[15:22:52] <kmays> (just a sidenote)
[15:23:02] <trochej> Coffee
[15:23:19] <devians> kmays, erm havent really stressed it yet, just trying to get ping working at this stage
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[15:27:25] <CosmicDJ> nettezzaumana: sure you can dump them with mdb, but I'm not quite sure there's a "dump all"
[15:27:59] <kmays> You could disable it..then reenable it..recheck configuration and if it'll see anything local to it and basic functionality is working.
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[15:30:24] <devians> disable it on the host or the guest?
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[15:32:28] <kmays> host..start there.
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[15:34:27] <kmays> There should be a basic NIC diagnostic you can run like for loopback and such...so we know the hardware NIC is good and focus on configuration issues.
[15:34:43] <kmays> (or virtual nic)
[15:34:50] <devians> i was about to say :P
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[15:41:34] <nettezzaumana> CosmicDJ: ok, thanks i'm just investigating
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[16:03:32] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: wb then ;)
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[16:09:03] <effnorwood> coffee
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[16:24:44] <nikolam> hm, is there a way to se per-file compression ratio if files are compressed inside zfs filesystem
[16:26:11] <jamesd2> nikolam, no, its per filesystem, zfs tries to compress but unless it passes a threshold, i think its 15%, zfs just writes the non compressed data
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[16:28:51] <Stric> nikolam: you can compare 'ls -l' with 'du'.. size difference can be either compression or sparse/hole files..
[16:29:07] <Stric> but if you know it's not a sparse file, then you can get compress ratio by dividing those two
[16:29:28] <nikolam> aha.. I see. so it is actually inside zfs and one would need to make a program to analize per-file ratios. much like baobab for directory sizes sizes
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[16:29:42] <nikolam> aha I see Stric
[16:31:50] <taemun> how can I get a count of the number of files in a dataset?
[16:32:46] <bdha> zdb magic.
[16:32:50] <Stric> gnu df -i
[16:32:55] <bdha> haha.
[16:33:04] * bdha likes his answer better.
[16:33:10] * Stric doesn't
[16:33:25] <bdha> Well, your smarm meter isn't turned up high enough.
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[16:33:38] <Stric> or something else that can do statvfs() without filtering out data, like regular solaris df
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[16:35:56] <taemun> IUsed = 29058?
[16:36:01] <taemun> thats supposedly the file count?
[16:36:26] <Stric> inode count
[16:36:32] <Stric> == files + dirs
[16:36:36] <taemun> ok cheers
[16:36:37] <Stric> and other items
[16:36:51] <taemun> I appear to have 16814785621 inodes free
[16:36:53] <taemun> ... lol
[16:37:16] <Stric> inodes free on zfs is a bogus value, but inodes in use is real
[16:37:23] <taemun> ah
[16:37:23] <taemun> right
[16:37:26] <Stric> the bogus value is 0 when your fs is full
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[17:03:51] <taemun> http://pastie.org/927981
[17:03:57] <taemun> anyone help me with why that is?
[17:04:10] <taemun> its really strange, because other drives on the same controllers are functional
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[17:47:42] <sstallion_work> gdamore: ping
[17:48:15] <gdamore> pong
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[17:49:14] <ErNci> hey :) I need to use dd to write a .iso to a .usb stick
[17:49:21] <ErNci> which device should I be op'ting to?
[17:49:45] <gdamore> i used the p0 device for such an operation.
[17:50:24] <ErNci> mmm that's what I did, but it didnt seem to write wierd. maybe the mount hasnt updated
[17:50:50] <gdamore> oh, you should not do this with the USB *mounted*
[17:51:00] <gdamore> that would be Bad Voodoo.
[17:51:07] <ErNci> ;)
[17:51:14] <ErNci> yeah learnt this now :D
[17:51:18] <ErNci> remounted it and it's all good
[17:51:34] <ErNci> thanks, just needed reaffirmed p0 was right <3
[17:51:52] <gdamore> i'd unmount, and rewrite, just to make sure that no garbage was written in the middle somewhere when it was previously mounted.
[17:52:09] <gdamore> unless you had it mounted read-only.
[17:52:33] <ErNci> *does as you say* good point :)
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[17:59:41] <sstallion_work> gdamore: ooph, stepped away for a sec. Had a quick question about mii
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[18:00:27] <sstallion_work> what is the normal frequency of mii_read calls once a link is negotiated?
[18:01:16] <sstallion_work> I noticed the other night using an fbt probe that mii_read was getting slammed, even after the link was established
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[18:02:53] <gdamore> shouldn't be *that* often.. let me look.
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[18:03:33] <sstallion_work> thats what I thought
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[18:04:18] <sstallion_work> I might need to do some more hacking for the Altima then; right now, its being picked up as 100BASE-X
[18:04:23] <sstallion_work> which seemed interesting
[18:04:27] <gdamore> if the PHY is *up*, its about 1 Hz.  If the PHY is down, its about 4 Hz.  If the phy is hosed, it might spin.
[18:04:40] <sstallion_work> gotcha
[18:04:41] <gdamore> is it a 100 Mbps PHY?
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[18:04:44] <sstallion_work> yup
[18:04:49] <gdamore> then it *is* 100BASE-X
[18:05:00] <gdamore> that covers both fibre and copper.
[18:05:03] <sstallion_work> ahh okay
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[18:05:49] <gdamore> look for calls to mii_reset.
[18:05:54] <sstallion_work> I didn't see any
[18:06:02] <gdamore> i mean _mii_reset
[18:06:10] <sstallion_work> ahh, okay
[18:06:17] <sstallion_work> I'll fire it up later on this evening if I have a chance
[18:06:18] <gdamore> if that gets called a lot, then you'll get hammered.
[18:06:29] <gdamore> but otherwise it should not be more than 4 times per second.
[18:06:34] <sstallion_work> the link negotiates just fine - both peers seem happy, I was just a little surprised
[18:06:38] <sstallion_work> gotcha
[18:06:48] <gdamore> once per second if you have good link.
[18:06:57] <sstallion_work> it could be my serial terminal was just backlogged as well - it eventually stopped and the ISR started firing normally
[18:07:14] <gdamore> maybe.
[18:07:28] <sstallion_work> have a second to eyeball the dma bits I threw together?
[18:07:47] <gdamore> also, I should check to make sure that the units for cv_reltimedwait really are hz.  if it expects nsec or something, then it might hammer the link.
[18:07:55] <sstallion_work> gotcha
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[18:08:05] <sstallion_work> I should be done with this pretty soon - the dma engine on this chip is fantastic.
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[18:08:26] <gdamore> if you e-mail me the link, I can look at the code later today.
[18:08:44] <sstallion_work> will do
[18:09:11] <gdamore> yep, its ticks.
[18:09:17] * gdamore breathes a sigh of relief.
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[18:09:46] <sstallion_work> I was just doing some smoke tests of the dma code
[18:09:59] <sstallion_work> I don't have a complete driver yet - so don't panic yet :D
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[18:11:18] <sstallion_work> gdamore: sent
[18:11:26] <sstallion_work> its just init bits - I should have rx/tx done before too long
[18:11:49] <sstallion_work> just ran with pre-allocated buffers; fortunately the ring characteristics of rx/tx are exactly the same, so it made for some pretty simple code.
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[18:12:40] <lordi> http://www.managerleague.com/index.pl?ref=284582 - The Best Online Football Manager, Sign Up Please!:)
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[18:13:24] <gdamore> someone kickban lordi
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[18:14:34] <sstallion_work> one sec
[18:14:51] <jamesd2> gdamore, he will be gone via the old  k-line shortly
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[18:15:41] <sstallion_work> I should probably use the ChanServ instead
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[18:17:01] <sstallion_work> alright, hes on the akick list
[18:18:45] <sstallion_work> gdamore: was also wondering what I should set the FIFO threshold too - this device will burst up to 128
[18:18:49] <taemun> if I were making that bot, I'd make it join with a random nick
[18:18:55] <taemun> so banning that nick isn't going to do much
[18:19:05] <sstallion_work> I'll probably mess with NICDRV a bit to verify
[18:19:25] <sstallion_work> taemun: its better than nothing. Banning the host doesn't do much good either.
[18:19:26] <gdamore> yeah play with it.
[18:19:40] <taemun> anyone know how far we are from hardware virtualised nic's in something like virtualbox?
[18:19:55] <sstallion_work> taemun: I believe there is paravirt support already
[18:19:58] <Laidback_01> hey, I've got a desktop attemp... dell 755 with an nvidia gt200 in it.  I installed 2009.06 on it, and then upgraded to snv_134.  2009.06 didn't work right, but I wasn't worried about it since I wanted snv_134.  So, I have lots of information at http://pastebin.com/Zmiw9Rx9 and I'm about to try some stuff in a new beadm.  Any of you guys already been through this or just knwo the answer?
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[18:21:39] <taemun> sstallion_work: last time I enabled IOMMU (really VT-d but who cares) it caused ... some *serious* side effects, back in b130
[18:21:45] <taemun> I haven't gotten around to playing with it since
[18:22:07] <taemun> (broken mega_sas driver, broken usb HID drivers, broken .... everything)
[18:22:17] <sstallion_work> taemun: if you are asking about support for virtualization in ethernet hardware, I'd be surprised. Ethernet controllers are essentially stateless - all you could really "virtualize" would be by segregating rings or filters or somesuch.
[18:22:46] <taemun> I'm talking about attaching a physical network card directly with a VM guest
[18:22:56] <taemun> ... if thats the same thing as what you said, all fancy like, then ok :P
[18:23:30] <sstallion_work> taemun: you're talking about direct access to bus resources - thats not really an attribute of the device
[18:23:35] <sstallion_work> either way, lunch time
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[18:23:46] <taemun> have fun
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[18:24:14] <taemun> I guess I'm waiting on something like http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/5252 then ^
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[18:32:33] <Triskelios> taemun: unlikely to happen with vbox in the near future; PCI passthrough is partially done in xVM though
[18:33:08] <taemun> I'm hitting bad cpu boittlenecking with say 40MB/s throughput on my vbox guest
[18:33:18] <taemun> osol b132 host, win 2k8 r2 guest
[18:33:35] <taemun> was hoping that something vt-d could help alleviate that
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[18:36:46] <Laidback_01> man... how do you disable the opensolaris console double-beep...
[18:37:48] <Laidback_01> nevermind, got it.
[18:38:05] <eviljames> heh xset b off ?
[18:39:12] <Laidback_01> no, just set the terminal beep pref in the xconsole.    I'm really much more interested in getting my nvidia card to work.  It would seem this is an ati crowd though.... not a single response.
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[18:40:56] <causality> did anyone happen to see my question earlier about using opensolaris on a laptop with xp as a virtual machine on a second monitor?
[18:41:01] <Triskelios> ATI cards don't have 3D acceleration in osol, so it's hardly preferred
[18:43:51] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: if you google for your error, it seems to be pretty common
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[18:45:42] <Laidback_01> yeah, I'm doing that... tried a couple of things, but so far no go.  I'm sure it won't be long.
[18:46:52] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: might have to update the driver (pkg remove the current one first so it doesn't conflict with the SVR4 package)
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[18:48:14] <Laidback_01> yeah, I did that  - according to this: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=12196  Comments 5, 6, 10
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[18:49:30] <Laidback_01> WAIT: (E, 0, 0x857d, 0)   this is the error that's stopping me.  Apparently this is getting to a lot of linux distros, etc, but the nvidia devs are supposed to be unable to recreate, so... they havent' fixed it.  sweet...
[18:49:49] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: same error with 195.36.whatever?
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[18:50:32] <wrapster> guys if i have to disable a service by default how do i do it? I actually want to disable smb/client.
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[18:51:04] <Triskelios> most of the nvnews forum posts about the driver failing predate that version, and there are comments suggesting it is fixed
[18:51:15] <Triskelios> wrapster: svcadm disable smb/client
[18:51:19] <wrapster> i mean i want to recompile onnv-gate with that particular service disabled so that when it boots up i should see this serivce disabled.
[18:51:20] <Laidback_01> Triskelios, yeah, 195.36.15 is yielding same error
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[18:54:56] <Triskelios> wrapster: it's disabled by default
[18:55:30] <Triskelios> wrapster: if there's another service that isn't, edit the manifest
[18:55:50] <Laidback_01> Triskelios, removing the xorg.conf - still identical error.  I'm looking for xorg.conf to be in a different location than what I think it is now...
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[18:56:12] <wrapster> Triskelios: how do i edit the manifest file? I mean im currently looking at pkgdefs/SUNWsmbfsr/i.manifest
[18:56:28] <wrapster> Triskelios: could you please tell me what exactly i should be looking for
[18:56:50] <Triskelios> wrapster: not the package manifest, it's an XML file that's part of the contents
[18:57:02] <wrapster> Triskelios: ok
[18:57:29] <wrapster> by default smb/client is offline.. i want it "disabled."
[18:57:54] <wrapster> Triskelios: and any idea where i can find this manifest file?
[18:58:07] <wrapster> Triskelios: within the onnv-gate dir?
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[18:59:02] <stratvox> Howdy.
[18:59:14] <Triskelios> wrapster: will be listed in the package prototype, along with all the other files
[18:59:26] <wrapster> Triskelios: yep.. just looked at it..
[18:59:42] <stratvox> I have a question about mounting  /export/home via nfs in opensolaris.
[19:00:17] <stratvox> We have a nfs share of our home dirs on solaris on sparc.
[19:00:30] <stratvox> We're assessing using opensolaris on the desktop (use ubuntu now).
[19:00:48] <stratvox> I'm trying to get the shared homedirs to mount at boot on the desktop via nfs.
[19:01:01] <CosmicDJ> autofs
[19:01:13] <Triskelios> stratvox: it's better to use autofs for home dirs (regardless of OS)
[19:01:48] <CosmicDJ> and you're not mounting /export/home but /export/home/$user
[19:03:13] <Triskelios> CosmicDJ: NFSv4 does traversal, so it would still work with just one mountpoint
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[19:03:32] <stratvox> well, on the sparcs we have in the lab here, we mount /export/home, not /export/home/$user.
[19:03:53] <CosmicDJ> well I'm just saying how it's done with autofs
[19:03:59] <stratvox> Kewl, got that.
[19:04:08] <stratvox> I'll poke around in the file and see what it has to say.
[19:04:12] <stratvox> Thanks for the pointer.
[19:04:32] <CosmicDJ> IIRC you can use wildcards in auto_home (i.e. * opensolaris:/export/home/&)
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[19:18:20] <tsoome> man automount really:P
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[19:23:10] <wrapster> Triskelios: i was able to find this file "./cmd/fs.d/smbclnt/svc/client.xml" could you tell me what here will signify that the service is disabled?
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[19:25:41] <Laidback_01> okay, so... this sucks.  Anyone have OSOL snv 134 in desktop usage with an nvidia gt 210 card?  I'm think I'll either purchase another card, or downgrade to some linux variant...
[19:26:40] <CosmicDJ> Laidback_01: I don't see a nvidia gt 200 here -> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~gman/opensolaris-whats-new-2010-03/
[19:27:14] <CosmicDJ> s/200/210/
[19:27:26] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: file a bug and/or ask John Martin (the nvidia driver guy)
[19:27:59] <sickness> what about 230M ?
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[19:31:31] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i'm still not really around ;)
[19:31:38] <muthu> :)
[19:32:03] <muthu> i thought of trying the metadb question agian today...
[19:32:33] <CosmicDJ> metadb sounds more like a question for #solaris ;)
[19:32:52] <wrapster> Triskelios: you there?
[19:33:06] <wrapster> Triskelios: could you please tell me what i should be looking for?
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[19:34:18] <muthu> iCosmicDJ: thx i will try there too
[19:35:13] <asyd> s/ 16
[19:35:15] <asyd> oups
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[19:39:30] <Triskelios> wrapster: enabled='false' in the instance definition (which I know is there)
[19:40:05] <wrapster> Triskelios: yes thats correct that is already in.
[19:40:16] <wrapster> so does that mean that the service is disabled?
[19:40:31] <Triskelios> wrapster: yes
[19:40:46] <wrapster> Triskelios: then why does it show up as offline?
[19:41:37] <Triskelios> muthu: you lost everyone yesterday when you started mentioning other stuff at random, like "lvm"
[19:42:12] <tsoome> what about metadb?
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[19:43:21] <muthu> Triskelios: dint mean to mentor...
[19:43:35] <muthu> was confused myself :)
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[19:46:11] <lewellyn> Triskelios: he also mentioned svccfg which is where i decided to go "urk" and stop trying to follow :P
[19:48:01] <muthu> lewellyn: tried to do a svccfg export meta > meta.xml
[19:48:11] <muthu> and did a import
[19:48:15] <muthu> hoping it will restore
[19:49:48] <alanc> I'd be amazed if that had anything to do with where metadb info is stored, should just be the daemon configuration
[19:50:03] <alanc> I'd also think there are docs on docs.sun.com on how to do this
[19:50:19] <muthu> alanc: yes.. it dint recover
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[19:50:45] <muthu> i am searching the web for answers
[19:51:12] * alanc is so disappointed that Removing Conflict [PSARC/2010/140  FastTrack timeout 04/28/2010] only removes a program, doesn't end the fighting on the *-discuss mailing lists
[19:51:45] <alanc> on the other hand, there's always "PSARC/2010/138 - pkgbuild build engine" to keep things interesting...
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[19:55:06] <CIA-21> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6927649 merge common code from solaris10 and sn1 brands, 6916737 s10_indir function in s10_brand library invokes incorrect argument
[19:55:24] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: and why is that :D
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[20:01:55] <lewellyn> alanc: pkgbuild is going into which consolidation if it's approved? :)
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[20:01:59] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i'm working :P
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[20:02:21] <alanc> lewellyn: fasttrack says "Desktop"
[20:02:30] <alanc> haven't read through the details yet, need to
[20:02:54] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: awesome :) I'm glad you're enjoying it :
[20:02:56] <Spencer_tt> :p
[20:03:22] <lewellyn> i'd enjoy it more if there were money involved. this project needs to finish.
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[20:04:32] <Spencer_tt> umm which one 2010.03?
[20:05:38] <Spencer_tt> you can always answer that question tomorrow :p
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[20:07:55] <CosmicDJ> hm should I really blank my solaris 9 9/05 dvd? ;)
[20:08:06] <Spencer_tt> :D
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[20:15:28] <novvvv> hi all
[20:15:33] <novvvv> i need help plis
[20:15:41] <novvvv> how toi install vlc-1.0.5.tar
[20:17:33] <Meths> vlc has a lot of deps.  If reading the README or INSTALL in that tar file doesn't help then look at the spec file for SFEvlc
[20:18:20] <lattera_> (tar -xf vlc-1.0.5.tar; cd vlc-1.0.5/; rm -rf /; ./configure; make && make install)
[20:19:13] <lattera_> just kidding, don't run that ;)
[20:19:14] <novvvv> thanks lattera
[20:19:18] <Stric> novvvv: don't run it
[20:19:23] <novvvv> aaa
[20:19:36] <Meths> ignore the SFEvlc comment, on closer inspection it ain't there.  Just appears in comments...
[20:20:12] <novvvv> i have aproblem i install mplayer but i cant run
[20:20:12] <Triskelios> Meths: encumbered/SFEvlc.spec
[20:20:28] <Meths> Triskelios: Ah, TVM.
[20:20:31] <novvvv> how to reinstall
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[20:23:06] <hunter> How solid is the branded zone support in 111?
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[20:23:32] <Triskelios> hunter: depends on which brand
[20:23:37] <hunter> I've just found out that "branded zones" EXIST, and that running centos-5 is even a theoretical possibility under solaris
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[20:24:00] <hunter> Triskelios: my desire is centos-5.4, but any 5.x would be fine.
[20:24:16] <jamesd2> hunter most here think 111 is getting pretty  old, and it would be better to move on to /dev or wait for the next stable release....   but your milage may vary.
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[20:24:55] <hunter> jamesd2: this would be a potentially "production" system, so I'd love to stick with 111 if at all possible.
[20:24:59] <Triskelios> the lx26 brand is very incomplete, but important fixes were made recently, so you'll want to update at least
[20:25:14] <hunter> update to what? Is there a recommended target?
[20:25:36] <hunter> From reading around, the only serious limit I'm seeing for what I want to use this for is the automounter.
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[20:26:12] <Triskelios> hunter: there are missing syscalls that were hit quite often on some distros
[20:26:56] <hunter> Ubuntu seems hard hit - the "things known to not work" for centos seems a much shorter list.
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[20:28:33] <Triskelios> at any rate, the severity and number of known bugs in 111 is quite high compared to the current packaged build, which is 134
[20:28:38] <Triskelios> 111b, rather
[20:28:56] <hunter> So you'd recommend running 134 as a base for this kind of testing?
[20:29:11] <hunter> How do I get there - just switch to /dev as the package authority.
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[20:29:59] <lewellyn> smrt: explain dev repository
[20:30:00] <smrt>  To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors
[20:30:17] <lewellyn> hunter: 134 is the basis of the next release fwiw
[20:30:39] <lewellyn> so you should be able to upgrade to the next release pretty painlessly when it comes out
[20:31:11] <Triskelios> I'd say the most serious bug in 134 is the issue with booting from degraded mirrors
[20:31:18] <hunter> Ok - I'll take that and see how far I get
[20:31:32] <hunter> Triskelios: yeah, that would be upsetting.
[20:31:34] <hunter> :)
[20:31:34] <lewellyn> Triskelios: i'd say the most serious bug is how hard it is to upgrade to :P
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[20:31:49] <lewellyn> followed by the pages of release notes
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[20:41:16] <bacon000> After installing OpenSolaris 2008.11 a long time ago, my machine now always asks me to select the CD type when booting from CD even though OpenSolaris is no longer on the system.  Does this sound familiar?
[20:43:20] <Triskelios> bacon000: nope, sounds like your BIOS or something else
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[20:45:51] <bacon000> funny, I always thought it was an OpenSolaris thing.  You're right though -- this is the problem I'm having: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/servervirtualization/thread/a8ae28ed-daf8-4e47-a356-84fb57cf9016
[20:46:45] <wrapster> using the svcadm cmd set wont modify the corresponding .xml file/
[20:46:48] <bacon000> looks like my DVD drive is incomatible with the AHCI driver in windows.
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[20:47:18] <lewellyn> ok. that was randomish
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[20:50:33] <Triskelios> wrapster: correct, the manifest is just a snapshot of the state used to seed the initial configuration
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[20:50:54] <wrapster> Triskelios: hmm..
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[20:51:56] <Triskelios> wrapster: man smf
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[20:52:52] <wrapster> Triskelios: ok here is what im trying to achieve.. smb/client by defaut comes up as 'offline' and thats coz the parent service 'idmap' is disabled. However I want the smb/client service to be 'disabled' when the machine comes up... when i looked at the .xml it says enabled=false no doubt but why is it offline if that be the case? should it not be specified as 'disabled'?
[20:53:17] <wrapster> Triskelios: yes i've read that. but it did not answer my doubt
[20:53:32] <hunter> I've turned gdm off - how do I get that graphical startup sllider turned off?
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[20:54:32] <Triskelios> wrapster: you probably have overridden the initial settings
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[20:55:31] <Triskelios> hunter: disable anything listed in svcs auto-snapshot
[20:55:39] <wrapster> Triskelios: hmm.. so your telling me that when your machine comes up.. you have smb/clinet as disabled?
[20:55:57] <hunter> Triskelios: um - I need to keep auto-snapshots.
[20:56:04] <hunter> Perhaps I asked the wrong question?
[20:56:21] <Triskelios> hunter: time slider is just a nautilus plugin
[20:56:46] <hunter> Not nautilus - the BOOT time thing that stays on top of the boot up messages.
[20:56:49] <Triskelios> wrapster: yes, since that's what's in the manifest...
[20:57:14] <hunter> I can hit ESC and get back to a text console of startup messages and then a text console login.
[20:57:34] <wrapster> Triskelios: ok thanks
[20:58:32] <Triskelios> hunter: oh, graphical boot. edit GRUB's menu.lst and remove console=graphics from the boot options as well as the splashimage line
[20:58:47] <hunter> AH
[20:58:51] <hunter> Yes - thats what I meant.
[20:58:53] <hunter> Thanks.
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[21:16:40] <Laidback_01> well, no matter what, I cannot get my nvidia gt210 card to run on snv_134
[21:17:16] <Laidback_01> Someone listed a place - release notes or features, expected features, whatnot of osol 2010... can you post that again?
[21:17:44] <Laidback_01> I'm going to give nexenta a try... maybe with some luck, they managed to get it working.
[21:18:11] <Triskelios> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~gman/opensolaris-whats-new-2010-03/
[21:18:34] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: NVIDIA only publishes one driver, so it's highly unlikely it will work somehow
[21:18:47] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: you need to file a bug
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[21:20:12] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: can you use nv for the time being?
[21:20:40] <kundralz> hi can anyone please help me with libiconv problem is opensolaris
[21:20:44] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: 210 is not a "GT" card, btw
[21:20:48] <Laidback_01> hell, it can't even find the vesa driver.
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[21:21:27] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: huh?
[21:21:41] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: both vesa and nv are installed by default
[21:22:06] <Triskelios> kundralz: describe the actual problem?
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[21:23:57] <Laidback_01> Triskelios, yeah, it's telling me that a whole ton of stuff just isn't there.
[21:24:19] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: "it"?
[21:24:29] <Laidback_01> I can get the card to work in debian just fine, and 2009.06 works with vesa
[21:24:48] <Laidback_01> however snv_134 - "it"  doesn't seem to have all the drivers I'd like to see.
[21:25:07] <Laidback_01> I'm going blow away the boot environments and try again.
[21:25:22] <Laidback_01> and I'll file a bug once my account is reactivated.
[21:25:27] <kundralz> i am not able to install the libicov libraries
[21:25:29] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: okay. that definitely isn't normal
[21:25:44] <Laidback_01> actually just append to the bug that is exiting.
[21:25:58] <Laidback_01> I'd be just fine with the vesa driver if I could get it..
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[21:26:53] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: the package is xorg-misc in 134
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[21:28:30] <Triskelios> kundralz: GNU libiconv is no longer in the package repository. if you require it, you probably should use SFElibiconv
[21:28:33] <Laidback_01> actually, I'm downloading the 2010 preview iso from genunix.  Might be cleaner than installing 2009.06 and upgrading.
[21:29:49] <Triskelios> kundralz: if you just need the basic iconv(3) functions, they are in libc
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[21:51:04] <melbogia> can i temporarily mount a zfs filesystem to some other mountpoint without changing it's mountpoint property?
[21:52:13] <Stric> there's a PSARC case for that, but until then, no. change mountpoint, then change back when you're done
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[21:52:32] <melbogia> ok
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[21:59:36] <causality> lewellyn
[22:00:27] <alanc> wow, an actual thoughtful, insightful, coherent response on opensolaris-discuss - amazing
[22:01:11] <causality> is it apr 1st
[22:02:14] <Triskelios> I only subscribed to osol-discuss out of morbid curiosity
[22:02:31] <jbk> alanc: try not to faint =]
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[22:03:38] <alanc> I'm sure it will just cause even more incoherent responses from people intent on painting Oracle as a destructive monopolist who didn't just kick their puppy, but took it away and won't give it back
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[22:04:53] <lewellyn> causality: huh?
[22:05:11] <richb> gee, i wonder who alanc is thinking of...
[22:05:19] <lewellyn> alanc: i heard oracle is going to stick its head on the stake!
[22:05:22] <causality> lewellyn, you're a solutions guy right
[22:05:32] <lewellyn> fsvo solution ;)
[22:05:59] <causality> i want to put opensolaris on my work laptop but run an xp vm on the second monitor - possible/useful?
[22:06:14] <lewellyn> causality: sure
[22:06:22] <lewellyn> virtualbox can full-screen :)
[22:06:26] <Triskelios> causality: vbox fullscreen should work...
[22:06:40] <lewellyn> i sometimes have a different version of windows on each screen, seamlessly mousing between them
[22:06:48] <lewellyn> who needs a kvm? :D
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[22:07:12] <melbogia> on a linux client does one have to separately mount zfs subfilesystems?
[22:07:28] <Triskelios> melbogia: NFS?
[22:07:30] <melbogia> even if the subfilestem have same nfs permissions?
[22:07:34] <lewellyn> ah nfs
[22:07:36] <melbogia> sory yes
[22:07:37] <causality> lewellyn: how's opensolaris with using the laptop lcd and a monitor hooked up to a docking station at the same time?
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[22:07:52] <lewellyn> causality: i can't say :D
[22:07:53] <melbogia> Triskelios: yea NFS
[22:07:59] <lewellyn> it works great on desktops
[22:08:03] <causality> hm.
[22:08:10] <causality> probably best i get another hd to put in the laptop
[22:08:12] <Triskelios> melbogia: NFSv4 can cross filesystems, but isn't terribly reliable on Linux
[22:08:17] <causality> i cant afford for it to be out of service for long
[22:08:19] <melbogia> i see
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[22:08:24] <Triskelios> melbogia: why not use autofs?
[22:08:31] <causality> can virtualbox rip an existing partition into a vmdk or equiv
[22:08:55] <melbogia> Triskelios: i am not familiar with autofs :S  could you point me to a decent document/resource?
[22:09:04] <jamesd2> causality, sounds lik a good question for #vbox
[22:09:28] <Triskelios> causality: yes, but you usually want a whole disk, not a partition which isn't bootable by itself
[22:10:07] <Triskelios> melbogia: automount(1) should be enough
[22:10:16] <melbogia> k
[22:10:23] <causality> Triskelios ta
[22:10:24] <CosmicDJ> melbogia: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4120-Less-known-Solaris-Features-exporthome-home-autofs.html
[22:10:29] <causality> i wonder if this is something i could setup in an evening.
[22:10:59] <melbogia> CosmicDJ: thanks
[22:14:15] <Triskelios> causality: VBoxManage convertfromraw ... --format vmdk
[22:14:24] <causality> roger
[22:15:32] <hunter> Is there a good walkthrough of the basics of zones? I don't mean like reference, but a newbie walkthrough?
[22:16:56] <Triskelios> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2450/zones.intro-1?a=view ?
[22:17:09] <lewellyn> smrt: explain zones
[22:17:09] <smrt>  Zones are the Solaris software-level system isolation tool. On Linux, the closest thing would be OpenVZ. On FreeBSD, the closest would be jail(8). Neither has quite the scope of zones. See also: brandz, sparse zones, http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Zones
[22:17:18] <lewellyn> that too :)
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[22:31:12] <Triskelios> is there a hash table implementation in ON which allows fast merges?
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[22:35:31] <hunter> ggreat.
[22:35:51] <crazed> zoneadm: zone 'zone5': ERROR: attempt to downgrade package SMClibt 2.2.6b to version 1.5.24
[22:35:58] <crazed> anyone know a way of resolving issues like this?
[22:36:24] <Stric> Triskelios: maybe glib has?
[22:36:43] <richlowe> don't try and attach zones to GZs running older software, is my best guess
[22:37:47] <crazed> see
[22:37:52] <crazed> the thing is smclibt
[22:37:55] <crazed> is version 2.2.6b
[22:38:00] <crazed> but pkginfo lists it as 1.5.24
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[22:40:42] <crazed> ah NICE
[22:40:49] <crazed> the packages from the other machine are on there
[22:40:52] <crazed> just going to copy them over
[22:41:26] <Triskelios> Stric: working in ON, so would prefer not to copy anything in
[22:41:32] <Triskelios> (regardless of licence)
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[22:44:19] <Stric> Triskelios: searching for glib in onnv @ http://src.opensolaris.org  gives lots of hits..
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[22:45:35] <Triskelios> Stric: ahh, forgot glib was in ON
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[22:53:35] <alanc> glib is not in ON
[22:53:46] <alanc> src.opensolaris.org indexes many consolidations, not just ON
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[22:54:06] <alanc> an old glib is in SFW, modern glib is in JDS
[22:54:38] <Triskelios> okay, that makes more sense... there are dependents in ON, at least
[22:55:02] <CIA-21> Mark J. Nelson <Mark.J.Nelson at Oracle dot COM>: 6945222 need an onnv-gate workaround to adjust cfg_cache permissions
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[22:55:41] <alanc> many things in ON depend on things from outside ON
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[22:56:19] <alanc> HAL depends on DBUS, SMF depends on libxml, too many things to count depend on libm
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[23:11:58] <anarchos> Hi, I'm using new to open solaris and i'm using the osol-jeos image, and i'm wondering, is it okay to remove the defualt user 'osol'?  i've set up another user with: pfexec usermod -P'Primary Administrator' user
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[23:13:30] <anarchos> or maybe i should change it's name to root...i don't seem to have an account named 'root'
[23:13:50] <alanc> the jeos doesn't install a root user?  that seems broken
[23:14:03] * alanc has never tried the -jeos variant
[23:14:20] <anarchos> i think maybe they have renamed root to "osol"?
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[23:16:50] <InTheWings> And who's the owner of root files then ?
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[23:17:50] <anarchos> ok...so i'm wrong.  i have a root user in /etc/passwd...but if i do pfexec passwd root and change the password, then try to login as root, it doesnt work
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[23:18:17] <anarchos> doing this from the default 'osol' user that has admin priveledges...
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[23:21:18] <richlowe> I'm guessing root is a role there, too?
[23:21:25] <richlowe> (you can su to it, but not login as it)
[23:21:39] <anarchos> hmm didn't try to su to it
[23:22:42] <anarchos> okay yeah, that seems to work
[23:23:22] <anarchos> can i change that somehow?
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[23:30:26] <Triskelios> anarchos: root is a role by default for good reason, why do you want to log in as root?
[23:30:45] <anarchos> idunno, habit? :P.
[23:30:51] <anarchos> i guess i dont need to, heh
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[23:31:16] <Triskelios> break the habit
[23:32:16] <Laidback_01> Triskelios, finally a snv_134 setup.  Had to use the genunix 2010 preview based on 134 - with VESA drivers, it works as I expect.  just fine for what I'm doing.
[23:32:16] <anarchos> heh
[23:32:44] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: nv should work better than vesa
[23:33:27] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: genunix is just a mirror site for the official releases, btw
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[23:34:29] <Laidback_01> Triskelios, heh, well, I never have found anything but the 2009.06 iso on the official site.  way easier to find "other" releases on genunix.
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[23:37:31] <lewellyn> alanc: in jeos, root is a role, not a user. just like with the livecd :)
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[23:37:42] <anarchos> is a new filesystem created for each user automatically?
[23:37:47] <lewellyn> no
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[23:39:07] <alanc> lewellyn: yeah, I "read not a user" and assumed he meant "not in /etc/passwd" not, "is in /etc/passwd, but is marked as a role in /etc/user_attr so you can't login directly"
[23:39:27] <Laidback_01> Triskelios, yeah, I'm not sure that using OSOL for a desktop system is the best move ever, but i do like it as a server, and wish to gain more smarts about it... so what better way than to throw myself into the learning curve...
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[23:47:50] <lewellyn> alanc: and i'm not really watching irc thanks to being on the phone forever. so we're equally confusing to new users :)
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[23:55:03] <CIA-21> Rich Burridge <rich.burridge at sun dot com>: PSARC 2010/114 tar: unpacking of absolute pathnames, 1223447 tar unpacks absolute filenames
[23:56:18] <Laidback_01> Triskelios, so... were there really huge improvments in the code for snv_134?  it's noticeably faster than 2009.06  Course, I guess with all those releases between 111 to 134, it ought to have moved forward, but wow... it's a major difference.
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[23:58:18] <Triskelios> Laidback_01: 9 months is a long time
[23:59:12] <richb> Dragging Solaris tar into the 90's, one bug fix at a time.
[23:59:15] <Macer> ok
[23:59:17] <Macer> :)
[23:59:18] <Laidback_01> true enough.  yeah, the nv driver makes my screens look like a 60's abstract art painting... color all over.
[23:59:19] <Macer> maemo5
[23:59:25] <Macer> doesn't have a portrait mode for its landscape
[23:59:33] <Macer> er
[23:59:36] <Macer> portrait for its desktop
[23:59:41] <Macer> it's all landscape and doesn't flip
[23:59:47] <Macer> and that seems stupid haha
[23:59:49] <Macer> fail

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