April 19, 2010 
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April 19, 2010 [00:00:00] <jamesd_laptop> CodeWar, get 100ft of cat5, and run along the wall, and/or under the carpet it will be a lot cheaper than any other option and give you better performance[00:00:33] <forquare> +1 to jamesd_laptop's idea[00:01:17] <CodeWar> I agree[00:01:36] *** stewart has quit IRC[00:01:41] <piwi> a cable is a cable is a cable and beats everything else, except fiber maybe :)[00:02:02] <CodeWar> that said this homeplug thing if it does waht it claims .. sounds very promising[00:02:10] <piwi> it works[00:02:27] <Aria> Heh. Homeplug is like wifi mostly. . . Maybe a hair less interference-prone.[00:02:28] <piwi> but dont think 200mbit is final speed[00:02:45] <Aria> Yeah, no, 200mbit is the raw symbol rate.[00:02:49] <piwi> yep[00:02:54] *** eldee has quit IRC[00:02:58] <piwi> its like wireless, brutto vs netto[00:02:59] <Aria> Maybe 60% of that once you add error-correction and protocol overhead[00:03:17] <CodeWar> my from comcast b/w is 16mbps .. using wireless my tvbox seems to get about 5mbps .. I can live with upto 10mbps perhaps[00:03:41] <piwi> 85mbit homeplug will give you that[00:03:51] <piwi> if you share the same groundwire[00:04:31] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[00:04:32] <tomww> if the plugs in all rooms are on the same fuse/phase then homeplug might work (or extra coulplers needed)[00:05:07] <piwi> tomww, i read that before, but tried myself, seems it uses the groundwire, not the phase, because it work on even non phased plugs[00:06:05] *** laurus has joined #opensolaris[00:06:11] <tomww> depends... one wire alone isn't enough.... so the phases may be coupled through some other effects[00:06:19] *** paddy has joined #opensolaris[00:06:22] <CodeWar> as long as I dont burn down the house[00:06:24] <laurus> Did anyone else notice that they stopped selling the Toshiba OpenSolaris laptops?[00:06:43] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[00:08:35] *** psychicist has quit IRC[00:09:37] *** icarus902 has quit IRC[00:13:36] <sstallion> gdamore: ping[00:17:09] <CodeWar> interesting comparison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sue1Zvmh8JA&feature=related[00:18:36] <extnct> i dont get more than 40mbit with my powerline av on the same circuit[00:19:12] <sk0rd> I'd really like to see community networks[00:19:12] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[00:19:15] <extnct> never seems to go under 10mbit though[00:19:32] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[00:20:04] <sk0rd> 20 of my neighbors with 10 hsd connects at the edge of a shared net[00:20:05] <extnct> sometimes the connection drops though and i have to unplug and plug it back in[00:20:05] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:20:41] <extnct> oh yea and there is a 3-4ms latency increase[00:21:29] <jamesd_laptop> extnct, too bad all your neigbhors aren't interest in the same type of conent.. torrents and a community proxy would fly...[00:21:50] <jamesd_laptop> er that was fro sk0rd ^^^[00:23:11] <extnct> what's a community proxy?[00:23:19] *** _madmax_ has left #opensolaris[00:23:51] *** laurus has left #opensolaris[00:24:01] <jamesd_laptop> extnct, everyone would use a single server using squid, if anyone surfed to the same web page your images would download at 100MB/s[00:25:49] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[00:26:53] <extnct> is that a common setup?[00:26:56] <extnct> caching i mean[00:27:06] <extnct> could be annoying for dynamic content[00:27:20] <jamesd_laptop> extnct, yeah lots of companies use it, and some isp use it...[00:28:36] <extnct> its optional though, only if you set their dns servers right?[00:28:48] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:28:53] <jamesd_laptop> why wouldn't they... it cuts internet traffic thus you can buy a smaller pipe, and your users get a faster experience and yuo can control what your users see, or what they are browsing if you like[00:29:03] <jamesd_laptop> extnct, google squid proxy[00:30:02] <extnct> for community inet i wouldn't contribute if they had restrictive policies like that[00:30:11] *** bmonroe has joined #opensolaris[00:30:13] *** nanase has quit 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#opensolaris[01:39:09] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[01:44:04] *** ryoohki has joined #opensolaris[01:47:14] *** cybernd has quit IRC[01:48:02] <ryoohki> is there a newer iso image for osol x86_64 than 06-2009?[01:48:16] <jamesd_laptop> genunix.org[01:50:11] <ryoohki> jamesd_laptop: thanks![01:51:46] <ryoohki> is it x86 only on genunix.org?![01:51:51] <ryoohki> i need x86_64[01:52:13] <tsoome> solaris is not linux[01:52:30] <tsoome> there is no separate 64 bit version[01:54:37] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:56:16] <ryoohki> oh ok[01:56:17] <ryoohki> thanks[02:08:24] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[02:11:11] *** yarihm has quit IRC[02:22:32] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[02:24:53] *** bball_ has quit IRC[02:24:56] *** bball has joined #opensolaris[02:27:04] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[02:28:02] <ryoohki> is the genunix osol-dev-134 the same as osol-0906 updated to 134?[02:31:50] <Aria> In theory.[02:31:55] <ryoohki> good enough[02:31:59] <ryoohki> thanks aria[02:32:13] <ryoohki> it's the *-dev-* thing i notice[02:33:11] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[02:33:23] *** ryoohki has quit IRC[02:33:46] <Aria> Yeah, 134-something will be 2010.04 possibly[02:33:51] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[02:34:34] *** [1]kimc has quit IRC[02:46:50] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[02:48:31] *** icarus902 has joined #opensolaris[02:50:05] *** ryoohki has joined #opensolaris[02:55:02] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[02:57:43] *** Kustnamenkloate has quit IRC[02:58:29] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[02:59:15] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[03:01:02] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[03:02:05] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[03:07:28] *** randw has quit IRC[03:07:31] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[03:10:15] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[03:12:14] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[03:22:13] *** niq has quit IRC[03:28:07] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[03:43:51] *** tassilo has quit IRC[03:43:52] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[03:43:59] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[03:48:54] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[03:51:06] *** sk0rd has quit IRC[03:56:24] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[03:58:23] *** Trystam is now known as Tristam[04:00:46] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[04:05:36] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[04:08:26] *** projectmoon has left #opensolaris[04:13:30] *** achester has quit IRC[04:16:07] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[04:18:09] *** lattera has quit IRC[04:21:10] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[04:25:08] *** lattera has quit IRC[04:27:22] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[04:27:54] <lattera> hrmmm[04:28:33] <lattera> I'm getting permission denied on an autofs-mounted nfsv4 share between opensolaris b134 workstation and opensolaris b134 server[04:28:45] <lattera> $ ls /net/192.168.2.6/tank/shares/shawn[04:28:45] <lattera> ls: cannot open directory /net/192.168.2.6/tank/shares/shawn: Permission denied[04:28:57] <lattera> but I have full read/write access to that directory[04:30:59] <lattera> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1867158[04:32:38] *** jmcp has quit IRC[04:33:55] <CodeWar> and it works when manually mounting it ?[04:34:17] <CodeWar> I ve had to do mount -o uid=x,gid=y to give the local user access to mounted directory in the past[04:35:23] <lattera> nope, not even mounting it manually works[04:35:59] <CodeWar> try the uid/gid flags while mounting[04:36:52] <lattera> shawn@shawn-desktop:~$ pfexec mount -F nfs -ouid=101,gid=10 sully:/tank/shares/shawn /mnt[04:36:53] <lattera> mount: sully:/tank/shares/shawn on /mnt - WARNING unknown option "uid=101"[04:36:53] <lattera> mount: sully:/tank/shares/shawn on /mnt - WARNING unknown option "gid=10"[04:36:53] <lattera> nfs mount: mount: /mnt: Permission denied[04:37:38] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[04:37:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[04:42:04] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[04:42:05] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[04:43:32] *** p3rror has quit IRC[04:44:58] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[04:45:08] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[04:45:43] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[04:46:38] *** lattera has quit IRC[04:47:13] *** Berny has quit IRC[04:47:52] *** bklang has quit IRC[04:48:56] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[04:50:11] *** sstallio1 has joined #opensolaris[04:50:24] <sstallio1> anyone around familiar with the mindshare books?[04:51:19] *** ryoohki has quit IRC[04:55:07] <lattera> both machines are saying permission denied, lol[04:55:21] <lattera> but I can't tell whether it's ZFS permissions, NFS permissions, or something else altogether[04:59:26] *** paddy has quit IRC[05:04:58] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:05:04] *** jan__ has joined #opensolaris[05:07:02] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[05:08:00] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:08:34] *** fOB_2 has quit IRC[05:09:56] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[05:11:07] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[05:11:21] *** jmcp has quit IRC[05:11:36] <lattera> anyone know how I can attempt to fix this nfs issue?[05:12:00] *** W0rmDrink has joined #opensolaris[05:13:06] <lattera> or at least a starting point?[05:14:29] *** doggiee has quit IRC[05:14:40] *** chilicuil1 has joined #opensolaris[05:15:27] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[05:15:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[05:16:10] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:16:11] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[05:16:17] *** sstallio1 has quit IRC[05:17:00] <jdoe> hrm. I'm getting really, really slow file transfers scp, rsync (over ssh) to opensolaris, rsync/scp to another machine on the lan is similarly slow. The machine is basically unloaded though and iostat shows there's not much going on there either... any thoughts on what it might be?[05:18:35] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[05:20:20] *** doggiee has joined #opensolaris[05:21:36] <lattera> not even the opensolaris bible contains the answer :([05:22:42] <jdoe> ... to a ramdisk isn't any better, so I guess it's not disks/zfs[05:29:44] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:30:13] *** paddy has joined #opensolaris[05:32:03] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[05:32:16] <lattera> yeah, so this is kinda pissing me off[05:32:20] <dover> jdoe: dodgy network/collisions/negiotation/crushed cables[05:32:29] <lattera> I used to just be able to do: `ls /net/192.168.2.6/tank/shares/shawn`[05:32:48] <lattera> but for some odd reason, I can't now and opensolaris is just giving me a vague "permission denied" error[05:35:39] <jdoe> network itself is fine, shouldn't be noticeable collisions on a switch, cable looks okay, but good point I could swap it...[05:35:47] *** sergiusens1 has quit IRC[05:37:12] <jdoe> dover: forgot to add, local transfers are fast, like it to other machines on the lan.[05:37:23] <lblume> jdoe: Look at the network traffic with snoop/wireshark to find where it's slow.[05:37:39] *** jub has quit IRC[05:37:52] <lblume> lattera: NFSv4 domain naming problem?[05:38:09] <lattera> lblume, I don't think so[05:38:20] <lattera> it worked fine a couple months ago when I had opensolaris installed[05:38:51] <lattera> did a fresh install and enabled svc://network/nfs/client:default, tried to `ls /net/192.168.2.6/tank/shares/shawn` just like I did in the previous install[05:38:57] <lattera> and got "permission denied"[05:39:36] <dover> work as non-root?[05:41:33] <lblume> /etc/resolv.conf on both systems have the same domain?[05:42:18] <lattera> neither have domain in resolv.conf[05:43:03] <lblume> So you set the NFSv4 domain manually or are forcing NFSv3?[05:43:12] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[05:43:17] <lattera> I've always done nfsv4 without setting the domain[05:43:32] <lattera> and I tried setting the domain myself to the same domain on both boxes[05:43:40] <lattera> still got "permission denied"[05:44:10] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[05:44:20] <lblume> You can't do it without a domain, just by default it uses DNS.[05:44:52] <lattera> why was I able to do it without a domain a few months ago?[05:45:10] <lblume> You had one and didn't realize it.[05:46:29] <lblume> Or you were just using NFSv3. You should try that first.[05:46:30] <lattera> so I need to set "NFSMAPID_DOMAIN=0xfeedface.org" in /etc/default/nfs[05:46:41] <lattera> then do I need anything in resolv.conf?[05:48:10] <lattera> mounting nfsv3 gives me "permission denied" as well[05:48:15] <lattera> shawn@shawn-desktop:~$ pfexec mount -F nfs -overs=3 sully:/tank/shares/shawn /mnt[05:48:15] <lattera> nfs mount: mount: /mnt: Permission denied[05:48:37] *** winstonw has quit IRC[05:48:53] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[05:49:02] <lblume> Then look for directory transversal permission issue or IP-based security in the share.[05:49:32] <lattera> wow[05:49:40] <lattera> maybe it's a bug with b134?[05:49:49] <lattera> cuz this worked fine a few months ago prior to b134[05:49:53] <lattera> never had an issue[05:50:12] <lattera> brb[05:50:15] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:52:32] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[05:54:42] <lblume> Bug is always possible, yes. I thought that unlikely in NFS, but there's been some reports lately.[05:55:05] <CIA-21> Kacheong Poon <Kacheong.Poon at Sun dot COM>: 6943448 assertion failed: tcp_time_wait->tcp_time_wait_tid != 0[05:55:07] <CIA-21> xun ni - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Xun.Ni at Sun dot COM>: 6931122 Need SMHBA support for Mptsas driver, 6932019 sun_sas lib should ignore the virtual port for mptsas driver[05:55:13] <lattera> it's just weird that it worked a few months ago on b129[05:55:24] <lattera> but doesn't work on b134[05:55:52] <lattera> the hard part is that I don't have any more detailed error message than "permission denied"[05:56:03] <lblume> Look at the packets to try to gather what kind of permission denied you're getting. It's often useful.[05:56:18] <lattera> like, with snoop?[05:56:38] <jdoe> lblume: it's inexplicably slow locally. rsync/ssh directly to the machine: slow. rsync to another machine on the lan with the destination an nfs mount from the opensolaris machine: fast[05:56:57] <lattera> I really shouldn't have to learn the technical details of NFS packets to learn about a permission denied error[05:58:09] <lattera> I shouldn't have to spend weeks, if not months, reading of tcpdump/snoop packets and the NFS protocol just to find out what's causing the permission denied (and that's to say that the packet capture even tells me why I'm getting permission denied)[05:58:35] <lblume> It's usually rather obvious as the error is decoded.[05:59:07] <zedrich> heh .. you must be trying to interoperate solaris / linux :)[05:59:21] <lblume> If you find a way to do it with logs, though, let me know. I've never gotten anything useful out of them (and that's valid for Linux too)[05:59:33] <lattera> there's absolutely no logs for me to look at[05:59:48] <lattera> dmesg just tells me permission denied[05:59:55] <zedrich> sharenfs has been a bit of ... a lie[05:59:56] <lattera> on both the workstation and the server[06:00:05] <zedrich> lattera: whats the server OS?[06:00:10] <lattera> opensolaris[06:00:13] <lblume> lattera: Hence my suggestion to look at the packets.[06:00:14] <lattera> b134[06:00:14] <zedrich> and the client?[06:00:23] <lattera> client is opensolaris b134[06:00:25] <zedrich> lattera: by the way, I agree with you[06:00:34] <zedrich> so both are opensolaris .. hmm[06:00:55] <zedrich> well least i dont feel bad i couldnt get opensolaris client to mount a linux share that works fine for linux clients[06:01:07] <zedrich> i gave up after 5 minutes though because in no way does _that_ make sense[06:01:16] <zedrich> i think the NFS client on solaris is borked[06:01:30] <zedrich> or rather the protocol / policies required for it[06:03:27] <zedrich> lattera: try it from say linux or something.. it probably works[06:03:41] <lattera> I've never even come close to getting nfsv4 working in linux[06:03:53] <zedrich> really? pretty easy[06:04:00] <zedrich> you mean acls etc?[06:04:08] <zedrich> cant see why it would be diff than NFSv3[06:04:11] <lattera> no, just nfs at all[06:04:18] <lattera> nor nfsv3[06:04:24] <lattera> I couldn't get nfs working at all in linux[06:04:26] <zedrich> well that i certainly have gotten working[06:04:33] <zedrich> and without much pain either[06:04:41] <zedrich> but the solaris side... doesnt make sense instantly.[06:04:56] <zedrich> thats a rather good point about nfsv4 tho.. perhaps thats my prioblem[06:08:43] *** ryoohki has joined #opensolaris[06:09:09] *** jub has quit IRC[06:09:22] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[06:10:55] <lblume> zedrich: The way NFSv4 is implemented on Linux is rather insane, and cannot interact well with anything else. It's possible to get it to work, though.[06:11:31] <lblume> And yes, NFSv4 is very different than v3, particularly on Linux.[06:15:16] <Aria> ... mount -t nfs4 host:/path path[06:16:27] *** lattera has quit IRC[06:16:34] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[06:17:52] *** easyE has joined #opensolaris[06:27:00] *** hile has quit IRC[06:28:47] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[06:31:18] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[06:35:06] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[06:39:00] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[06:39:33] <mrp> is there a quick and dirty tutorial on nfs?[06:39:35] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[06:40:08] <CodeWar> has porting inotify to Solaris been toyed with or does the functionality already exist under some form today[06:40:59] <CodeWar> I m using mercurial on a monolithic code base "hg status" is indeed very slow ... the difference in speed between hg status on Linux inotify and on Solaris is literally 10x[06:44:21] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:47:54] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[06:48:11] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[06:48:13] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[06:50:08] <CodeWar> http://blogs.sun.com/praks/entry/file_events_notification looks like something close[06:56:30] *** Zauberpo1y has joined #opensolaris[06:58:42] *** Zauberpony has quit IRC[07:05:53] <Garen> CodeWar: It's about that on Linux without the inotify extension too. Nobody has stepped up to implement something for Solaris yet.[07:07:02] <CodeWar> I read through FEN and event ports on Solaris and it seems the functionality already exists.. not sure how usable the APIs are[07:07:49] <Garen> Looks pretty easy to use based on the sample code.[07:10:00] <CodeWar> yep[07:10:52] <CodeWar> at the end of the day if an event report mechanism exists .. the problem space involves adding conditional FS modification probes in the backend[07:11:03] *** winstonw has quit IRC[07:11:16] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[07:12:13] <trochej> Coffee[07:23:44] *** Edgeman has joined #opensolaris[07:30:38] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:30:38] *** chilicuil1 has quit IRC[07:30:44] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:33:28] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[07:38:27] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[07:46:23] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[07:50:20] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[07:56:26] *** Garen has quit IRC[07:57:30] *** ryoohki has quit IRC[07:59:41] *** hemantha has quit IRC[08:00:33] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[08:01:45] *** lateau has quit IRC[08:01:46] *** Garen has quit IRC[08:02:11] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[08:04:59] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[08:08:09] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[08:08:33] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[08:08:46] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[08:09:16] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[08:12:19] *** hemantha has joined #opensolaris[08:21:22] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[08:27:13] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:28:10] *** sactodave1 has joined #opensolaris[08:31:05] *** jthunder has quit IRC[08:37:25] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[08:38:04] *** jub is now known as JoergB[08:39:28] <madwizard> Coffee[08:41:14] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:42:10] <oninoshiko> hmm pandora has 82 songs titled "underground" but do not have "underground" by david bowie[08:42:34] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[08:43:21] <madwizard> oninoshiko: From Labyrinth?[08:43:26] <oninoshiko> yeah[08:44:15] <madwizard> I had CD somewhere[08:45:42] <oninoshiko> it just blows my mind, I've never had it not have something[08:46:45] *** dover has quit IRC[08:47:44] <madwizard> Yup, it's cool. Like most Bowie songs[08:48:53] <oninoshiko> ahh well, i just let it play what it wants[08:49:12] <oninoshiko> (which right now is "kodachrome")[08:51:13] <causality> david bowie wasn't actually playing with his balls in labyrinth[08:52:39] *** Bateau has quit IRC[08:52:43] <oninoshiko> =o.0=[08:52:47] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[08:55:13] <madwizard> ROTFL[08:55:20] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:55:45] *** palowoda has quit IRC[08:55:49] <madwizard> causality: Yes, we know, there was a guy behind Bowie who played with the balls. :)[08:55:57] <madwizard> Fondled them, so to speak. :)[08:56:45] <oninoshiko> "'the problem is all inside your head' she said to me, the answer is easy if you take it logicly..."[08:57:00] <causality> madwizard indeed[08:57:09] <oninoshiko> (it's an a paul simon kick at the moment)[08:59:20] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[08:59:29] <Macer> A technical problem occurred and your request cannot be processed. Please try again later.[08:59:41] <Macer> wow. someone at dell needs to be fired[09:00:00] <Macer> people are trying to buy stuff and they get technical errors? :)[09:00:06] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[09:00:25] <trochej> Sun bis? :)[09:00:33] <asyd> hello there![09:04:53] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[09:09:52] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[09:11:34] <madwizard> asyd: Kawa![09:14:07] *** Guest10779 has quit IRC[09:14:30] *** Guest10779 has joined #opensolaris[09:18:36] *** Berny has joined #opensolaris[09:18:45] *** kinkie has joined #opensolaris[09:21:49] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[09:24:14] *** Guest10779 has quit IRC[09:24:26] *** Guest10779 has joined #opensolaris[09:25:25] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[09:26:09] <Jondice> Decaf[09:26:14] *** Jondice is now known as Jondice|sleep[09:26:34] <oninoshiko> THE DEVIL'S COFFEE!![09:27:33] <madwizard> Aaaargh![09:27:35] <madwizard> Apage![09:27:42] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[09:28:57] <Jondice|sleep> lol, already 3:33 here =( i can't risk anything else[09:30:39] <madwizard> Bhh[09:30:48] <madwizard> I sleep like an innocent after a coffe[09:31:43] <Jondice|sleep> with me it seems to be hit or miss[09:31:55] <Jondice|sleep> usually i sleep when i don't want to and don't when i do want to, after coffee[09:32:52] <Spencer_tt> smrt: who's your daddy[09:33:03] <Spencer_tt> he doesn't know :p[09:33:20] <madwizard> :)[09:37:58] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[09:38:14] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[09:39:33] *** pksu has joined #opensolaris[09:41:02] *** Guest10779 has quit IRC[09:41:25] *** Guest10779 has joined #opensolaris[09:41:36] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[09:41:41] *** Aria has quit IRC[09:46:39] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris[09:47:49] <Spencer_tt> playing stairway to heaven for over and over again, long time no hear.[09:49:46] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[09:50:39] *** ryoohki has joined #opensolaris[09:51:50] *** Guest10779 has quit IRC[09:52:02] *** Guest10779 has joined #opensolaris[09:53:03] *** gebi has quit IRC[09:55:12] <CIA-21> Surya Prakki <Surya.Prakki at Sun dot COM>: 6941452 ctfconvert fails on VLAs with code generated by SS12u1[09:56:03] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:56:24] *** drzz has joined #opensolaris[09:59:28] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[09:59:47] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[10:02:20] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[10:02:35] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[10:03:44] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[10:04:02] *** ryoohki has quit IRC[10:04:16] *** tosh has quit IRC[10:05:58] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[10:06:37] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[10:07:29] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[10:13:41] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:15:29] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris[10:15:29] *** Gman has quit IRC[10:16:06] *** marcus_ has joined #opensolaris[10:16:59] <marcus_> not sure if one could reactivate my opensolaris.org account, as i get 'Invalid account state: Inactive.'[10:18:25] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[10:19:28] <richlowe> marcus_: I think that requires sending mail to website-admin at opensolaris dot org, and asking them to fix it.[10:19:45] *** Beket has quit IRC[10:19:50] <marcus_> is that a list which requires registration?[10:21:16] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[10:22:05] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:22:08] <richlowe> I don't think so, but I don't know for sure[10:22:08] <marcus_> it feels a bit strange that my account simply was de-activated without a note and I need to contact admins to re-activate.[10:22:21] <marcus_> not that 'user-friendly'[10:22:33] <richlowe> Nope, it wasn't. Though I think they may have sent reminder email, I forget.[10:22:40] <richlowe> either way, it was bloody stupid.[10:23:46] <marcus_> a small note on the auth side would just fit[10:23:56] <marcus_> and it's even not to late for something like that.[10:24:02] <marcus_> but anyway...[10:24:35] *** chendy has quit IRC[10:24:42] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[10:25:05] <palowoda> marcus_: Blame Canada. :)[10:25:42] <marcus_> hehe[10:26:29] <marcus_> the problem is that i even do no longer own the email address of my account :)[10:26:50] <marcus_> do you know it these accounts will be freed one time?[10:27:46] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[10:27:56] <palowoda> No, I think richlowe advise about contacting the admin is the right thing to do to fix the old account.[10:28:34] *** phil has quit IRC[10:29:53] <marcus_> already done :)[10:31:56] *** marcus_ has quit IRC[10:33:54] *** darki has quit IRC[10:34:38] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[10:41:47] *** darrenb has quit 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Do you know what they (ptches) are related to?[14:23:50] <houst0n> rip opensolaris[14:24:45] <madwizard> nikolam: I don't know about posting. The lists are buzzing without my help. :)[14:25:10] <madwizard> nikolam: there is a list of bugreports to which patch relates[14:25:27] <madwizard> It seems like a lots of C++ related to boost[14:26:45] <madwizard> houst0n: Not yet[14:26:49] <nikolam> madwizard, and where does it is saying patch is n/a to non customers?[14:27:02] <madwizard> nikolam: Try to download it[14:27:06] <coolvibe> osol is open source, so it can't die[14:27:14] <nikolam> aha..[14:27:26] <madwizard> coolvibe: It will be dead if no one is willing/able to contribute to it[14:27:40] <coolvibe> madwizard: there are plenty of people[14:27:44] <madwizard> coolvibe: I'm sure you won't be willing to install operating system that was last updated five years ago[14:27:47] <nikolam> coolvibe, Sparc is also GPLed and noone making chips, ha.[14:27:52] <coolvibe> nikolam: so?[14:27:55] <madwizard> coolvibe: And lots of ptaches :)[14:28:01] <madwizard> patches[14:28:15] <coolvibe> if Oracle starts being an ass about osol, we'll fork it[14:28:18] <madwizard> Really community made distribution[14:28:44] <coolvibe> that genie is out of the bottle[14:28:49] <coolvibe> can't put it back[14:28:49] <causality> i can't see the quality of opensolaris going up if it gets forked[14:29:06] <coolvibe> *if* it gets forked[14:29:15] <houst0n> coolvibe: Can't die?[14:29:17] <houst0n> hah[14:29:23] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[14:29:39] <houst0n> You think anything else could possibly happen to opensolaris in the event of a fork, besides dying?[14:29:39] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[14:29:43] <nikolam> coolvibe, looking glass was also Gpled and not moved beyond `06, too.[14:29:57] <coolvibe> yeah, but looking glass was a bit ahead of it's time[14:30:00] <madwizard> coolvibe: This is exactly what was talked about on ogb-discuss[14:30:00] <coolvibe> bad example[14:30:05] <houst0n> I'd like to think it's possible to be community maintained... But it's not[14:30:15] <houst0n> w/o snoracle, there is no opensolaris[14:30:16] <madwizard> I don't see those swarms of developers that contribute to OpenSolaris codebase[14:30:22] <nikolam> causality, I more like updated secure system then unupdated[14:30:41] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[14:30:48] <coolvibe> well, if you don't want it to die, do something about it and contribute instead of whining[14:31:12] <madwizard> coolvibe: I'm trying actually[14:31:13] <houst0n> coolvibe: Heh, I already do, it's my job[14:31:23] <houst0n> Do i want opensolaris to die? Unsure tbh[14:31:25] <coolvibe> then I tip my hat to you :)[14:31:34] <houst0n> If it dies then I'll earn more money[14:31:44] <houst0n> But eventually, I'll need to jump ship to something else[14:31:54] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[14:32:02] <madwizard> I want osol to survive[14:32:06] <houst0n> rhel w/ unionfs and openvz is coming close to being usable[14:32:09] <madwizard> It is hell of a cool operating system[14:32:28] <coolvibe> it is[14:32:40] <madwizard> If it gets forked however, we probably won't get many good improvements worked on by Oracle engineers[14:32:47] <houst0n> Solaris is.. Opensolaris not so much[14:32:57] <coolvibe> Solaris is already a different beast[14:33:03] <madwizard> houst0n: OpenSolaris has many cool features and few broken. :)[14:33:12] <causality> nikolam: that may be the case for you, but what good is the concept if it can't be organised.[14:33:27] <houst0n> madwizard: Besides new zfs version, I see no reason to use it over S10[14:33:33] <Andys^> if its forked and worked on by community it could be a totally different product, with a different focus than today[14:33:36] <houst0n> pkg is a downright mess[14:33:37] <madwizard> houst0n: Crossbow[14:33:39] <Andys^> which is fine... but it will be different[14:33:39] <madwizard> houst0n: I use it[14:33:49] <madwizard> houst0n: true[14:33:52] <coolvibe> pkg does need to be optimized, it's way to slow[14:33:54] <madwizard> pkg should be hanged[14:34:03] <houst0n> madwizard: I've had no reason to use crossbow yet, we have a reasonably large solaris estate[14:34:05] <joshua_> [08:38:24] <houst0n> madwizard: Besides new zfs version, I see no reason to use it over S10[14:34:07] <madwizard> pkg needs to be replaced by something already working :)[14:34:08] <joshua_> you can't get S10 any more...[14:34:14] <joshua_> (unless you are running on Sun hardware)[14:34:18] <coolvibe> crossbow is handy though (for zones)[14:34:19] <houst0n> joshua_: I'm talking enterprise, we can get w/e the hell we want[14:34:20] <houst0n> :P[14:34:21] <Andys^> new zfs version is a huge reason ;)[14:34:39] <nikolam> causality, sec. reports are only for internal use. Majority devs are Oracle. Therefore, no escape right now.[14:34:40] <darki> dedupe&crypt?[14:34:40] <houst0n> Andys^: I'll stick to the ver I'm paying support for in prod[14:34:40] <houst0n> :P[14:34:54] <madwizard> houst0n: Though I have to agree that I preffer Solaris/SXCE way of doing zones[14:34:58] <houst0n> darki: dedupe is slow as fuck, crypt is pointless in a secure dc[14:35:25] <madwizard> Did crypt made it to onnv ?[14:35:27] <Andys^> well i assume solaris has patches for the earlier version zfs problems. because the earlier versions of opensolaris zfs are kindof unusable due to various bugs[14:35:55] <madwizard> Andys^: If they were often cited by clients, they were plumbed :)[14:35:58] <houst0n> his system is currently running ZFS pool version 15.[14:36:12] <darki> thx[14:36:38] <houst0n> But hmm, we use opensolaris as our desktop OS in the office[14:36:47] <houst0n> Besides that I think it's pretty worthless.. Personal opinion though[14:36:59] <houst0n> I guess oracle sees the same[14:37:42] <coolvibe> as a development workstation I do like Osol[14:37:49] <houst0n> development workstation?[14:37:52] <houst0n> What are you coding?[14:37:57] <nikolam> houst0n, desktop, but you get access to /support repo or not. If not its not very secure.[14:37:58] <houst0n> web stuff, perhaps, java - ok[14:38:07] <coolvibe> well, system tooling in C[14:38:10] <madwizard> houst0n: I coded C/C++ in it[14:38:12] <coolvibe> I like the compiler[14:38:19] <houst0n> coolvibe: And you're deploying the bins on s10?[14:38:23] <houst0n> They're not backwards compat[14:38:25] <houst0n> How can you do this?[14:38:32] <madwizard> houst0n: This is as good as any other operating system[14:38:32] <coolvibe> I recompile on SS10[14:38:36] <coolvibe> works fine[14:38:48] <Andys^> houst0n: i imagined that getting the community to test and find bugs in new features was saving some money[14:38:49] <madwizard> houst0n: Linux way - every workstation/server recompiles for itself[14:38:50] <madwizard> :)[14:38:51] <houst0n> Fair enough, all our dev happens on S10[14:38:57] <houst0n> and s8/s10 within blastwave[14:39:09] <coolvibe> making packages is easy enough[14:39:14] <Andys^> its also good to get grass-roots support for your enterprise OS from developers and sysadmins who can use it for free at home[14:39:15] <nikolam> houst0n, some people use it to develop next-ged 3d engines for games etc. before they bury them on windows/only games etc.[14:39:19] <houst0n> coolvibe: Sometimes[14:39:24] <Andys^> good will can't be bought with money[14:39:29] <houst0n> coolvibe: It can get tricky[14:39:51] <coolvibe> depends on how complicated you make it :)[14:40:10] <houst0n> Andys^: Yeah but how many sysadmins at home want a workstation OS with no security fixes?[14:40:21] <coolvibe> stuff I build tends to be low on dependancies[14:40:30] <madwizard> this is where community can take it's proper place[14:40:32] <madwizard> Helping[14:40:34] <houst0n> coolvibe: Lucky you.[14:40:40] <madwizard> there is project kyoto, dramatically understaffed[14:40:44] <madwizard> But it can happen[14:40:59] <coolvibe> well, it gets tedious sometimes, but my sysadmins love me for it[14:41:08] <Andys^> houst0n: ... good point[14:41:23] <Andys^> would have thought the "community" would have rallied and made a patched opensolaris distro[14:41:25] <Andys^> by now[14:41:36] <houst0n> Andys^: We don't HAVE a community of developers though mate :P[14:41:41] <madwizard> Yup[14:41:46] <Andys^> yeah[14:41:47] <madwizard> Andys^: There are distributions[14:41:53] <houst0n> There are a few, like moinak's belenix project, nexenta etc[14:41:53] <madwizard> Andys^: Why not join Belenix?[14:41:54] <Andys^> i always thought the notion of osol on the desktop was ludicrous[14:41:56] <coolvibe> nexenta schillix[14:42:03] <coolvibe> and others[14:42:03] <Andys^> being able to play with a server OS at home is still cool though, patched or not[14:42:09] <madwizard> But so far they stay one-man-community projects[14:42:19] <Andys^> madwizard: and end up with an even smaller userbase? no thanks ;)[14:42:34] <madwizard> Andys^: So how you imagine "community rallied on"?[14:42:39] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[14:42:39] <Andys^> well i'm just saying[14:42:43] <madwizard> Andys^: there is no other way of doing it but just do it[14:42:51] <madwizard> They just did it[14:42:53] <Andys^> you need to be able to say install 2009.06, but have security and important patches available[14:42:54] <houst0n> Andys^: I'm with ya, it's unfortunate though[14:42:57] <madwizard> And now they lack contributors[14:42:57] *** phimic has quit IRC[14:42:57] <Andys^> without having to go to dev[14:43:06] <madwizard> Andys^: -> project kyoto[14:43:11] <houst0n> Still, if osol does indeed die, then there will be fewer 'new' solaris admins around[14:43:14] <madwizard> One-man-community effort[14:43:19] <houst0n> so we all get a pay rise[14:43:27] <houst0n> victory?[14:43:27] <houst0n> :P[14:43:31] <madwizard> houst0n: Not me, all big companies go SOlaris -> RH[14:43:43] <madwizard> Around[14:43:46] <Andys^> Our goal is to provide OpenSolaris base distributions which are stable but yet compatible with OpenSolaris.[14:43:47] <Andys^> cool[14:43:52] <Andys^> had never heard of it til tonight[14:43:52] <madwizard> So I actually loose on all this madness[14:43:54] <houst0n> madwizard: And you don't think there's a lot of money in being a 'solaris migration consultant' ? :P[14:43:58] <causality> we ditched solaris for sles[14:44:00] * houst0n starts his RHCE rfn![14:44:04] <causality> unfortunately[14:44:17] <houst0n> causality: I've never actually used sles, we have tons of rhel/centos around though[14:44:23] <madwizard> houst0n: all positions are taken and new one opens only in case of deatth[14:44:23] <houst0n> same shit right? different colour?[14:44:32] <madwizard> I'm not about to start running around with a rifle. :)[14:45:13] <causality> houst0n i dont use it either ;)[14:45:27] <houst0n> Is it cheaper than rhel?[14:45:30] <Andys^> well thanks houst0n, as if it wasn't depressing enough in here, now i'm really depressed ;)[14:45:49] <causality> houst0n nfi, we have gazillions of em[14:46:03] <houst0n> Andys^: Well, brace yourself ;)[14:46:41] <Andys^> at some point, there'll be a threshold to cross which is, it will be easier to fix btrfs than to fix the rest of opensolaris :|[14:46:47] <houst0n> causality: physical or virt?[14:47:13] <houst0n> Andys^: Friend of mine tried out openvs, said it was reasonable[14:47:15] <houst0n> (linux zones)[14:47:28] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[14:47:45] <causality> houst0n virtual typically[14:47:49] <Andys^> i dont feel zones are particularly releveant anymore with the advent of fast full system virtualisation[14:48:20] <houst0n> causality: My new company isn't so big on virtual stuff, previous lot even virtualized the desktops.. Kind of hard to convince them of the merits ;)[14:48:23] <houst0n> Bit of a shame[14:48:38] <Andys^> meh, one less thing to worry about :)[14:48:44] <Andys^> (if they have the money for hardware that is)[14:48:49] <houst0n> Andys^: We use millions of zones[14:48:59] <LaidBack_01> Andys^: interesting I much prefer zones to full virtualization.[14:49:11] <causality> houst0n: i dont necessarily agree with all that goes on here[14:49:15] <houst0n> Scripts sync fs's on alt hardware etc, bring them up automatically during an outage, etc[14:49:27] <causality> i'm just one architect out of about 30+[14:49:42] <houst0n> UK?[14:49:46] <causality> i come from a large scale web hosting background[14:49:48] <causality> yes, uk[14:49:53] <houst0n> So one of the big three I guess[14:49:54] <houst0n> ;)[14:50:07] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[14:50:07] <causality> mebbie[14:50:08] <causality> :)[14:50:13] <RoyK> what is the correct way of removing a Zil device? I can't seem to find it in the manual[14:50:23] <houst0n> RoyK: Danger will robinson[14:50:28] <houst0n> Do you *REALLY* want to do that?[14:51:13] <Andys^> RoyK: yank it :)[14:51:28] <RoyK> Andys^: not likely - then I'll loose my pool[14:51:31] <Andys^> no[14:51:40] <Andys^> ZFS is designed to withstand the failure of all ZIL devices[14:51:42] <RoyK> I'm on a test system and I see very low write speed to an 8-drive zpool. I only have two SSDs in this system, a mirror for the root, so I thought I could detach one side of the mirror and temporary use that for zil[14:51:45] *** Bateau has quit IRC[14:52:03] <RoyK> Andys^: I read something on the list yesterday that said the quite opposite[14:52:16] *** ROKO__ is now known as ROKO__[OFF][14:52:25] <RoyK> but then - how do I remove it?[14:52:27] <jbit> if you lose your ZIL you will lose data[14:52:31] <Stric> RoyK: depends on what version you're on.. if too old, then you can't remove it[14:52:34] <Andys^> there's a sun blog somewhere describing how if ZIL fails, it simply goes back to using the main pool for transaction log (ie. default)[14:52:35] <jbit> but you shouldn't lose your pool[14:52:39] <RoyK> Stric: 134[14:52:44] <RoyK> so it should be possible[14:52:49] <Andys^> i'm talking about yanking it while the system is running, not while its powered off[14:53:03] <Stric> Andys^: that's the theory, which applies to late pools.. but before that, do it and it's toast[14:53:11] <RoyK> I guess there's a 'proper' way of doing it, with zpool/zfs commands?[14:53:21] <Stric> RoyK: zpool remove[14:53:25] <Andys^> from memory, i've done it to 2009.06 pools[14:54:04] *** snuff-home2 has joined #opensolaris[14:54:12] *** BenCap has quit IRC[14:55:12] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[14:55:45] <Andys^> teknoprep: i think it'd be nicer to use vmware's virtual desktop solution, wouldnt it?[14:55:46] <Andys^> oop[14:56:38] *** Terlisimo has joined #opensolaris[14:56:57] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[14:57:24] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[14:57:51] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[14:58:50] *** Erwann has quit IRC[14:58:58] *** Terlisimo has quit IRC[14:59:00] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[15:00:23] *** tg has quit IRC[15:02:44] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:05:38] *** snuff-home2 is now known as snuff-home[15:06:02] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[15:08:03] *** timsf has quit IRC[15:09:24] *** Bateau has joined 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<bosnianboy> I have to make killer slow script to fine runaway child...[15:18:51] <RoyK> quite low memory on this box (2GB), but still, the normal monitoring tools show no load whatsoever, no swap usage and no cpu usage monitorable[15:19:30] <Andys^> dude! 2gb? my laptop has more ;)[15:19:30] <RoyK> it got a little faster with Zil on an x25m (only thing I have in there now), but using that as l2arc (80G) doesn't seem to help much[15:19:41] <Andys^> yes, because it can't use l2arc because not enough system ram[15:20:07] <RoyK> huh?[15:20:19] <Andys^> L2ARC requires system ram to keep track of all the entries[15:20:22] <Andys^> an index, if you like[15:20:34] <Andys^> 2gb is not enough for ZFS even without l2arc[15:21:12] <RoyK> so how much should i get? 4? 8?[15:21:21] <Andys^> at least 8 i think[15:21:27] <Andys^> to run a filesystem without dedupe[15:21:34] <RoyK> wtf?[15:21:37] <Andys^> but it really depends how big the filesystem data set is[15:21:39] <RoyK> eight without dedup?[15:21:41] <RoyK> test pool size is 12TB (11TiB) and the system is a pure test system[15:21:46] <Andys^> right[15:21:57] <Andys^> i'm running a 8tb pool on a box with 24gb without dedupe[15:22:19] <RoyK> why so much memory?[15:22:24] <Andys^> ZFS ;)[15:22:36] <RoyK> what does it use it for?[15:22:37] <Andys^> whats your recordsize?[15:22:52] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb[15:22:58] <RoyK> default - 128k[15:23:20] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[15:23:22] <RoyK> it's only 1TB or so in use on the pool[15:23:31] <Andys^> ok[15:23:57] <Andys^> that would probably require a dedupe table of 2gb[15:24:04] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[15:24:30] <Andys^> how much L2ARC did it use? you can check usage with: zpool iostat -v tank 1 1[15:24:32] <RoyK> still, a test of tar xf linux-2.6.33.2.tar takes 9-10 seconds without dedup and 16/6 minutes without/with Zil[15:24:37] <Andys^> and then check the "used" column in cache[15:24:55] <Andys^> L2ARC can only help if the cache is warm[15:25:00] <Andys^> it'll be slow until then[15:25:19] <RoyK> you meen the alloc column?[15:25:43] <Andys^> not sure what you mean[15:26:15] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/sNHnvUmK[15:26:30] <Andys^> hrmm[15:26:35] <Andys^> looks different to mine[15:26:39] <Andys^> i guess you running a newer version[15:26:50] <Andys^> right so its only used 260mb of l2arc[15:27:07] <Andys^> maybe you need run the tar test more than once?[15:28:06] <RoyK> I'll try[15:28:08] <Andys^> also[15:28:14] <Andys^> consider splitting the raid up into smaller set[15:28:23] <Andys^> with raidz2, the system writes to all disks at the same time[15:28:29] <Andys^> meaning it can't be reading from the disks during that time[15:29:56] <RoyK> it's only eight drives in the raidz2 - shouldn't that work well?[15:30:16] <bdrewery> smaller raidz is better[15:30:20] *** thistle_ has joined #opensolaris[15:30:30] <bdrewery> lots of articles regarding that[15:31:17] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[15:31:30] <bdrewery> RoyK: do you have dedup verify on?[15:32:25] <RoyK> no[15:32:44] <bdrewery> what CPU?[15:32:44] <RoyK> bdrewery: sure, but eight drives isn't really a lot[15:33:13] <RoyK> some intel dual-core - don't remember exactly[15:33:24] *** wewek has quit IRC[15:33:35] <bdrewery> can you benchmark it with verify on too?[15:33:51] <bdrewery> will be slower, just curious[15:33:54] <RoyK> sure - with or without l2arc/zil?[15:34:16] <Andys^> RoyK try to visualise whats happening... when you have dedupe on, it has to look up the hash for every single block you're writing[15:34:41] <Andys^> if it can't get that from system RAM or L2ARC... thats alot of reading it has to do from the pool[15:34:47] <Andys^> and it can't be reading while its writing[15:35:14] <Andys^> so ultimately it either has to be enough RAM to cache all the metadata, or you need lots of spindles to make it quicker to read through all databases on disk[15:35:17] <bdrewery> maybe try a few mirror sets to get a comparison[15:35:50] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[15:35:52] <Andys^> yeah. go for RAID10 for the best possible use of the spindles[15:35:54] <RoyK> bdrewery: dunno - raidz2 is fast unless I enable dedup, so I guess Andys^'s right[15:36:25] <RoyK> I don't need a very fast system, but using 16 minutes to unpack the linux kernel to disk is hilarious[15:36:49] <bdrewery> yeah, I'm building a fat system specifically for dedup myself[15:36:57] *** bosnianboy has quit IRC[15:37:20] <bdrewery> but I'm also planning 16gb ram[15:38:38] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[15:38:57] <RoyK> how much disk space?[15:39:08] <Andys^> RoyK: ZFS without dedupe also needs alot of RAM to try and get good performance despite offering advanced snapshot features[15:40:35] <bdrewery> I got 10 1T disks, probably going with a few striped mirrors[15:42:45] <Andys^> RoyK: the more ram you have, the bigger the 'pipe' can be where it holds data before flushing to disk, or where it remembers index information about where to find data[15:42:48] <Andys^> (ie. metadata)[15:44:21] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[15:44:40] *** jthunder has quit IRC[15:44:58] *** houst0n has quit IRC[15:45:39] <Bill-> anyone know how to verify that sd-config-list params have been applied to the appropriate devices?[15:45:40] *** jgracin has quit IRC[15:47:39] *** jonshea has joined #opensolaris[15:49:02] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[15:50:10] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[15:52:01] *** comay has quit IRC[15:52:10] *** richb has joined #opensolaris[15:53:09] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[15:53:38] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[15:53:43] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[15:57:22] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[15:57:25] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:57:25] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[15:58:23] *** darki has quit IRC[16:00:39] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[16:00:42] <noxis> is there a definition for the data collected from kstat?[16:00:57] <noxis> such as reads nread rtime[16:02:27] *** m4rzito has joined #opensolaris[16:02:28] <m4rzito> hi[16:05:27] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[16:05:45] <m4rzito> if I install a opensolaris server I get security updates??[16:05:51] <m4rzito> or I need to pay?[16:06:11] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[16:06:30] <jamesd_laptop> m4rzito, you track /dev you get security upgrades for free[16:06:47] <m4rzito> solaris not ?[16:07:08] <jamesd_laptop> solaris requires a support contract to get updates...[16:07:30] <jbit> as does opensolaris on non /dev if i remember correctly[16:07:33] <jamesd_laptop> you could just download quaterly or semi-yearly updates run it[16:08:14] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[16:08:15] <m4rzito> not a good option?[16:09:26] <jamesd_laptop> running an OS in production without support is not a good option[16:09:29] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[16:09:42] <m4rzito> I run FreeBSD and I don't have support[16:09:51] <m4rzito> I ask about security updates, etc[16:11:22] <jamesd_laptop> your manangement doesn't want to hear "just a minute i have asked on 3 email lists and irc, an i will have an answer in a few hours" ' at 4am in the morning when quarterly reports aren't running and need to be done....[16:11:24] *** ROKO__[OFF] is now known as ROKO__[16:11:58] <jbit> jamesd_laptop: what if you're also looking at several wiki entries? :)[16:12:24] <noxis> dont forget blogs[16:12:27] <noxis> and twitter entries[16:12:42] <jamesd_laptop> maybe, but it will have to be wikipedia, they only know wikipedia[16:12:43] <m4rzito> jamesd_laptop yes, google it's my support friend[16:12:47] <m4rzito> irc too[16:12:57] <m4rzito> :P[16:12:57] <m4rzito> I ask about security updates and production env[16:13:07] <m4rzito> I'm not a company[16:13:14] <m4rzito> I cannot buy a solarus support contract[16:14:22] <jamesd_laptop> oracle belives it needs to be paid to give you security or any other patches... dont like it, run OSOL /dev or call up larry and complain to his machine, he will get back to you sometime in 2048 after he win's his 300th yacting race[16:15:17] <bdrewery> m4rzito: you actually do have security support in FreeBSD though if you are on a supported branch[16:15:31] <m4rzito> yes, but I don't want to pay[16:15:36] <alanc> not that current Solaris releases will be usable after 2038[16:15:41] <m4rzito> I don't have money, this is for my personal websites[16:15:46] <bdrewery> lol alanc[16:16:38] <axisys> how do I enable color when vim file.pl ?[16:16:47] <Stric> :syntax on ?[16:16:50] <axisys> i am using ips 134[16:17:04] <axisys> Stric: hmm .. let me check[16:17:16] <jamesd_laptop> axisys, you put on your "Rose colored glasses"[16:17:26] <axisys> jamesd_laptop: lol[16:17:45] <jbit> you could also use VGA and remove hte pin for the blue channel...[16:17:51] <axisys> Stric: how do I enable syntax ? :set syntax on did not work[16:18:11] <jbit> axisys: it's ":syntax on", no set[16:18:24] <Stric> axisys: read what I wrote instead[16:18:31] <axisys> :syntax on just underlines .. no color[16:18:42] <axisys> jbit: thank[16:18:43] <axisys> jbit: thanks[16:18:47] <Stric> then your terminal/$TERM doesn't say it supports color[16:18:47] <jbit> axisys: what's your terminal type?[16:19:00] <axisys> jbit: xterm[16:19:10] *** forquare has quit IRC[16:19:10] <jbit> set it to xterm-color[16:19:15] <axisys> echo $TERM shows xterm[16:19:26] *** wdp_aao_ has joined #opensolaris[16:19:27] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[16:19:32] <tomww> xterm-color (xtermc)[16:19:32] <jamesd_laptop> m4rzito, well you could run osol stable and upgrade every 6-8 months, that will get you pretty current, but you want better you have to pay, either by being a beta tester or out your wallet for report.. you pick[16:19:37] <axisys> that's it ![16:19:45] <noxis> you spelt colour wrong[16:19:57] <axisys> how do I keep the color always on ?[16:20:05] <axisys> when using vim[16:20:14] <noxis> .vimrc[16:20:16] <noxis> i would guess[16:20:19] <Stric> yes[16:20:31] *** deet has quit IRC[16:20:36] <m4rzito> jamesd_laptop but upgrade it's a security update?[16:20:58] <Stric> that wasn't a sentence.[16:21:17] <noxis> <insert random words here>[16:21:19] <axisys> how do I do parenthesis matching when reading a perl script ?[16:21:28] <jamesd_laptop> m4rzito, its a full stable update, including new features and bug fixes....[16:21:32] *** gtirloni has quit IRC[16:21:38] <noxis> :showmatch[16:21:38] <m4rzito> ok, sorry[16:21:53] <m4rzito> Can I fix my security bugs all days?[16:22:04] *** leito_ has quit IRC[16:22:20] <Stric> axisys: :set showmatch matchtime=2 (or however many seconds you want it)[16:22:21] <axisys> noxis: :showmatch says not an editor command[16:22:33] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[16:22:47] <Stric> axisys: http://www8.cs.umu.se/~stric/tmp/vimrc grab that one and look through or something[16:22:49] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[16:22:53] <noxis> ah i was close[16:23:05] <axisys> Stric: thanks[16:23:07] *** wdp has quit IRC[16:23:07] <noxis> probably shouldnt use an ubuntu vimrc as an example :P[16:23:11] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[16:23:30] <Stric> noxis: what does ubuntu have to do with this?[16:23:34] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[16:23:48] <noxis> nothing at all - i just happened to have a vimrc from an ubuntu machine on my screen when he asked :)[16:24:02] <Stric> it's not like ubuntu vim is different from opensolaris vim[16:24:07] <noxis> unlikely[16:26:04] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[16:26:21] <axisys> where is the best place to define an alias for ls as ls --color=auto for bash user ? .profile or .bash_profile ?[16:26:31] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[16:26:40] <noxis> i put mine in .bashrc[16:26:54] *** phil_ has joined #opensolaris[16:28:04] <axisys> noxis: when you login which one overwrites all ?[16:28:18] <axisys> .profile , .bash_profile or .bashrc ?[16:28:26] <noxis> cant remember off the top of my head, there will be a string of includes some place that tells you[16:28:37] <noxis> i am not much of a opensolaris guy, i only use it for zfs storage[16:28:47] *** ozux has quit IRC[16:32:05] <tomww> zfs is enough to use opensoalris :-)[16:32:22] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[16:32:22] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[16:33:48] *** nitrile has quit IRC[16:34:19] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[16:36:11] <lesterc> any opensolaris.org forum admin here?[16:36:53] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[16:37:11] <lesterc> my forum password stopped working - and I had my account activated after the auth backend change....[16:37:34] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[16:37:45] <alanc> I don't think the forum admins ever come here - you can mail website-admin at opensolaris dot org to reach them[16:38:16] <lesterc> Thanks alanc[16:38:41] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[16:39:40] *** RoyK has quit IRC[16:41:47] <axisys> Stric: thanks a lot for that vimrc link.. it works without any change.. thanks a lot![16:42:27] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[16:47:32] *** nitrile has quit IRC[16:47:53] <axisys> what was the command to reset the window size ? i forgot the command.. it helps to see the whole hp openview client within the sunray 170 small display .. now some part of the display is outside the window and you have to keep moving the mouse around to see the hidden part[16:48:08] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[16:48:36] <axisys> the other option would be finding a sunray 1 the old appliance with an big external monitor[16:48:52] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:49:08] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[16:50:04] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[16:50:19] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[16:51:11] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[16:52:11] *** niq has quit IRC[16:52:25] <axisys> found it.. utxconfig .. let me if that help[16:52:45] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[16:53:00] *** leito has quit IRC[16:54:08] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[16:56:10] *** raichoo has quit IRC[16:56:23] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[16:57:14] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris[17:01:42] *** ziyourenxiang has quit 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Was having problem w/ network traffic suddenly stopping on a bnx card and occasional kernel panics in ip module, so put in an intel card to see if that fixed it. With new card pages served by apache load halfway, then pause for a second, then continue loading. Using 2009.06. Any ideas? Already tried disabling nagel's just in case apache wasn't doing it on the socket, but didn't help. Cherokee exhi[18:46:43] <CosmicDJ> google: opensolaris e1000g[18:47:10] <CosmicDJ> IIRC there were some problems with the e1000g driver in the past[18:47:24] <CosmicDJ> no idea if they're still in 2009.06, but I guess they are[18:48:49] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[18:49:08] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[18:49:44] *** jmcp has quit IRC[18:50:30] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[18:50:34] *** pksu has joined #opensolaris[18:51:11] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[18:51:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[18:51:49] *** houst0n has quit IRC[18:52:50] *** houst0n1 has joined #opensolaris[18:53:57] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[18:54:10] *** timsf has quit IRC[18:54:17] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:54:19] *** Odin- has quit IRC[18:54:29] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[18:55:09] <CIA-21> Mark Shellenbaum <Mark.Shellenbaum at Sun dot COM>: 6939983 assertion failed: zap_count(os, DMU_USERUSED_OBJECT, &count) != 0||count == 0, in dsl_dataset.c, 6942276 remove symlink upgrade code, 6943284 sa_attr_iter() can use uninitialized value of length_start, 6942045 zoneadm -z <zone> halt hangs after manipulation of xattrs[19:00:30] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[19:00:35] *** Niosop has quit IRC[19:00:44] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[19:04:02] *** eldee has joined #opensolaris[19:04:34] *** eldee has quit IRC[19:04:57] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[19:05:19] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:05:54] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[19:08:39] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:08:43] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:09:09] *** timsf has quit IRC[19:10:54] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[19:11:33] *** calum has quit IRC[19:13:06] *** afrasi has quit IRC[19:13:32] *** wrapster has quit IRC[19:14:04] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[19:16:43] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[19:21:52] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[19:24:02] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[19:26:49] *** sipior has quit IRC[19:27:49] *** palowoda has quit IRC[19:30:42] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:30:48] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:32:28] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[19:33:36] *** jparker has joined #opensolaris[19:33:47] *** jparker has left #opensolaris[19:35:33] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[19:35:51] *** luc^ has quit IRC[19:37:05] *** deet has left #opensolaris[19:37:32] *** Kae has quit IRC[19:41:47] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[19:42:36] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[19:42:41] <skeeziks> When 2010.03 comes out, will it be possible to upgrade to the release simply by changing my publisher and installing the appropriate version of `entire?' I'm running the dev snv_134 now.[19:43:09] *** Kae has joined #opensolaris[19:43:34] <CosmicDJ> skeeziks: I guess that's why they haven't released a newer IPS yet (even though they're at 138 or 139 ATM)[19:44:02] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[19:46:11] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[19:46:33] *** melbogia has quit IRC[19:46:37] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[19:47:01] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[19:47:05] *** tg has quit IRC[19:47:06] *** Erwann has quit IRC[19:49:36] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[19:55:06] <CIA-21> Paul Wernau <Paul.Wernau at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2010/101 in.iked preshared key file extensions, 6511591 Support at least remote-prefixes for preshared key entries[19:57:55] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[20:02:08] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[20:02:53] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[20:03:41] *** gebi has quit IRC[20:03:50] <andersenep> anyone here had problems using nvidia legacy drivers?[20:04:08] <axisys> so i have not following up with jumpstart for a while.. but is it possible this days to plug a usb to a blade and boot from it and then point to a NFS server to install solaris latest image from? i have a nfs server with solaris latest image already available.. i wonder if I can use a usb opensolaris image and use that to boot from and then have the option to point to the nfs image to install from ?[20:05:22] <andersenep> why not just install from the usb?[20:06:11] <axisys> andersenep: i kind a under the assumption that opensolaris image to a usb is easier .. but i am probably mistaken.. goal is to install latest solaris .. not opensolaris[20:06:14] <seanmcg> axisys, opensolaris doesn't use nfs when installing..[20:06:26] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[20:06:34] *** houst0n1 has quit IRC[20:06:35] <seanmcg> but you can use the USB AI image from www.genunix.org and have your own ai manifest etc .[20:07:16] <seanmcg> still need to point to a IPS repo server (pkg.opensolaris.org for instance)[20:07:54] <axisys> seanmcg: hmm .. my goal is to install the flashimage to a x86 .. but hoping through dhcp and jumpstart is kind a cumbersome sometimes[20:08:27] <seanmcg> opensolaris doesn't do jumpstart, it uses AI (see the caiman project off opensolaris.org)[20:08:43] <axisys> would be nice if i could plug a usb to get the initial boot and then point to nfs for flashimage ..[20:09:06] <axisys> seanmcg: yeah i used AI to install opensolaris on one box .. and caiman sure did improve a lot ..[20:09:19] <axisys> seanmcg: i guess opensolaris wont be an option then[20:09:26] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[20:09:30] <seanmcg> don't know if theres flahsimages for latest opensolaris either.[20:10:29] *** gehmehgeh has left #opensolaris[20:10:38] *** stukreit has quit IRC[20:10:54] *** houst0n1 has joined #opensolaris[20:13:36] <axisys> come to think of it .. this blade may have a java gui to the console that could let me to a virtual cd.. let me find out[20:18:40] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[20:18:52] <coolvibe> axisys: alom?[20:19:02] <coolvibe> I <3 alom, very handy[20:21:23] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[20:22:25] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[20:29:33] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[20:35:26] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[20:36:09] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:38:24] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[20:38:25] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[20:41:57] *** twisti has quit IRC[20:43:32] *** pangu has joined #opensolaris[20:45:15] *** gtirloni has joined #opensolaris[20:45:24] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[20:45:48] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[20:49:07] *** DexterF has joined #opensolaris[20:49:12] <DexterF> hi[20:49:26] <causality> DexterF same unity media as in the uk?[20:49:35] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[20:50:49] <DexterF> when making a snapshot in ZFS, can I access/mount the snapshot while the rest of the system?[20:50:54] <DexterF> uh[20:51:06] <DexterF> the rest of the system goes on working normally?[20:51:10] <Beket> yes[20:51:17] *** bitblt has 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quit IRC[21:14:28] <causality> DexterF they do magazines[21:15:35] <DexterF> causality: ?[21:15:56] <causality> unity media, in the uk[21:16:10] <DexterF> here not... they just spam alot for an ISP :)[21:17:01] <DexterF> tsoome: no TCO advantage over M$ ;)[21:17:36] <tsoome> ?[21:18:15] *** fleyta has quit IRC[21:18:58] *** msbhvn has joined #opensolaris[21:19:20] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[21:19:20] <msbhvn> Say I have access to a solaris machine, I think it is opensolaris, but am not sure, how could I tell (I have root access)[21:19:29] <gtirloni> tsoome: he's saying since he has to pay for solaris 10, that it doesn't have an price advantage over m$ shit i guess.[21:19:31] <tsoome> uname -a[21:20:03] <msbhvn> uname -a says: SunOS mysolarisbox 5.11 snv_111b i86pc i386 i86pc[21:20:08] <tsoome> solaris 10 does not have license fee, only support fee[21:20:14] <msbhvn> but i dont think Solaris 11 is quite out yet[21:20:23] <tsoome> msbhvn: its opensolaris 2009.06[21:20:31] <tsoome> also cat/etc/release[21:20:49] <gtirloni> tsoome: can't use without support, same end result.[21:21:02] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[21:21:09] <msbhvn> tsoome: thanks, thats what I was looking for, something like that, definitely opensolaris after looking at /etc/release[21:21:09] <gtirloni> however this has been discussed to death already.. only pointing the stupid comparison to m$ :)[21:21:12] <tsoome> if you need stable system, you cant get without support anyhow[21:21:36] <gtirloni> right[21:21:48] <tsoome> if you dont need, then you can go with opensolaris[21:21:54] <msbhvn> Does OpenSolaris 2009.06 support being used as an NIS server? (I ask because the /var/yp/Makefile I usually have is missing)[21:22:10] <tsoome> msbhvn: man pkg;)[21:24:03] <tsoome> gtirloni: TCO calculation is quite complex, license fee or support fee is only an small part of it.[21:24:03] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[21:24:10] <gtirloni> yep[21:27:29] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[21:27:45] *** MrSoul is now known as Rune^[21:30:47] *** tiuntest has joined #opensolaris[21:30:56] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[21:31:37] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[21:31:56] <tiuntest> Hi, sorry if this is a "dumb" question. I've just moved my OpenSolaris disks to a new machine, which has a different network interface. How do I configure OS to use bcme0 instead of nge0 as the network interface?[21:32:01] *** tiuntest is now known as alech[21:32:37] <alech> I could use ifconfig to set it up temporarily, but how do I make that permanent?[21:33:00] <alech> Also, is there an easy way to change the physical interface for all my zones?[21:37:06] <msbhvn> are most(all?) opensolaris cds livecds as well?[21:37:43] <lattera> alech, take a look at /etc/nwam/llp[21:38:03] <lattera> msbhvn, yup[21:38:07] <alech> lattera: ah, that looks good, thanks[21:46:14] <CosmicDJ> msbhvn: nope, there's a text-installer @ genunix.org and some kind of jumpstart/kickstart images (called AI)[21:47:08] *** bitblt has joined #opensolaris[21:48:18] <msbhvn> lattera: thanks, CosmicDJ: gotcha[21:49:43] *** timsf has quit IRC[21:51:43] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[21:56:23] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[21:56:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[21:57:03] *** phil has quit IRC[21:57:08] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[21:57:24] *** ozux has quit IRC[21:58:14] <CosmicDJ> alech: static ip I suppose? I guess I'd start with mv /ecc/hostname.$old_iface /etc/hostname.$new_iface[21:59:14] *** jmcp has quit IRC[21:59:19] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[21:59:23] <CosmicDJ> s/ecc/etc/[22:00:31] <alech> CosmicDJ: It was DHCP before. I've removed the old interface from /etc/nwam/llp and added the new one with dhcp to it, but no luck so far ... :-([22:00:38] *** pablomh has quit IRC[22:01:28] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[22:01:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[22:01:33] <alech> if I set it manually using ifconfig, I get a "IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP ALLROUTERS: Address already in use"[22:01:42] <alech> (but it still works)[22:02:07] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[22:02:58] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[22:05:18] *** DataStream has quit IRC[22:09:09] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[22:09:15] *** hnhn has quit IRC[22:09:49] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[22:14:38] *** jmancuso has quit IRC[22:15:47] *** ozux has quit IRC[22:16:52] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[22:16:57] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[22:19:28] *** bitblt has quit IRC[22:20:28] <lattera> anyone set up openvpn in opensolaris before?[22:20:51] <lattera> I tried a few months ago and never got it working and would like to try again[22:22:28] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[22:22:39] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:22:46] *** bitblt has joined #opensolaris[22:22:55] <alech> lattera: I've tried and was unhappy that apparently it is not possible to do it in a non-global zone.[22:23:18] <alech> lattera: in the end, I ended up with a VirtualBox VM where the OpenVPN terminated ...[22:23:32] <lattera> that's the other thing.... I want to do it in a non-global zone[22:23:45] <alech> lattera: from what I found that appears to be impossible[22:23:48] <lattera> but non-global zones can't change the kernel[22:24:04] <alech> yes ... :([22:24:04] <lattera> well, modify kernel structures (ie, load modules)[22:25:09] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:25:47] *** Mongoose has joined #opensolaris[22:26:26] <Mongoose> Avant Window Manager is a no go on my build[22:26:47] <lattera> I wouldn't mind using xvm and a linux VM, but I'd prefer to stay linux-free, heh[22:30:45] <alech> lattera: well, combined with the fact that I wanted encryption for the zone/VM, I ended up with a debian VM for the OpenVPN endpoint[22:33:02] *** vivid has quit IRC[22:33:18] *** bball is now known as bball_[22:35:10] *** jmcp has quit IRC[22:35:27] *** psychicist has quit IRC[22:36:43] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[22:36:46] *** bball_ is now known as bball1[22:37:01] *** bball1 has quit IRC[22:37:15] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[22:37:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[22:37:38] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[22:38:08] *** ryoohki has joined #opensolaris[22:39:52] *** J_P has quit IRC[22:41:47] *** scottdickson has quit IRC[22:42:28] *** Wild_Geese has quit IRC[22:43:34] <Jondice|sleep> lattera, I did this over a year ago in opensolaris, I think it was mainly some minor build issues that needed to be resolved[22:43:38] *** Jondice|sleep is now known as Jondice[22:43:54] <Jondice> but i also did this in a global zone of course[22:46:01] <lattera> ya, I think I got it compiling in the global zone[22:46:20] <lattera> I don't remember how far I got a few months ago[22:46:42] <lattera> but the only service I'd like to serve from global zone is NFS and CIFS[22:46:52] <lattera> everything else should be delegated to local zones[22:47:20] *** Wild_Geese has joined #opensolaris[22:50:57] *** astra-x has quit IRC[22:52:34] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:53:05] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[22:55:24] *** jmcp has quit IRC[22:55:27] <duckinator> hi[22:55:54] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[22:58:27] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:58:28] *** jmancuso has joined #opensolaris[22:58:30] <alech> so, everything up and running again, thanks for your help all (especially lattera and CosmicDJ) & good night[22:58:42] <lattera> have fun and a good night :)[22:59:17] *** alech has quit IRC[23:00:07] *** jmancuso has quit IRC[23:00:38] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[23:00:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[23:03:04] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:03:45] *** hajma_ has joined #opensolaris[23:04:34] *** hajma has quit IRC[23:08:05] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:08:20] *** webmink_ has joined #opensolaris[23:12:25] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[23:16:52] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[23:17:26] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[23:19:53] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[23:22:18] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[23:23:15] *** fleyta has joined #opensolaris[23:23:37] *** webmink_ has quit IRC[23:24:10] *** jmcp has quit IRC[23:24:38] <Mongoose> Love the new CD[23:25:33] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[23:25:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[23:25:46] <bdha> CD?[23:26:14] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[23:28:30] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[23:28:33] <alanc> round shiny thing - you put it in a tray and spin it under a laser[23:28:56] <alanc> (though I also have no idea which new CD Mongoose is talking about)[23:29:06] <duckinator> personally, i usually spin the CD /over/ the laser[23:29:10] * bdha chews on alanc.[23:29:16] * lewellyn uses a blue laser[23:29:17] <duckinator> but that might just be my computer being from '06[23:29:35] * duckinator throws his old computers into the middle of the channel and searches for something that doesn't work better as a heater than a computer[23:30:33] * lewellyn lights them on fire[23:30:40] <lewellyn> they all make great heaters![23:30:42] <fleyta> alanc: Is OS 2010.03 out?[23:31:02] <lewellyn> not according to /topic and i've not seen it hit any -announce lists[23:31:41] <alanc> fleyta: not even closed[23:31:47] <alanc> err, not even close[23:32:01] <alanc> 134a isn't even built yet[23:32:04] <lewellyn> there's no torrent on dlc.sun.com and that's usually how i know of new stuff[23:32:52] *** robo has quit IRC[23:33:34] <fleyta> alanc: Is there a list of changes between 134 and 134a?[23:33:50] <alanc> each consolidation has their own list[23:34:22] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[23:34:41] <alanc> ON usually posts theirs after they've finished the build and it's gone through Pre-integration testing, so they know what the final list will be, instead of posting preliminary lists and having to update[23:34:44] <fleyta> alanc: ON[23:34:57] <lewellyn> smrt: explain on changelog[23:34:58] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about on changelog...[23:34:58] <alanc> so since ON hasn't build 134a yet, no[23:35:02] <lewellyn> bah.[23:35:08] <CosmicDJ> OpenNolaris[23:35:10] <CosmicDJ> ;-)[23:35:21] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[23:35:26] <fleyta> Open Nosuchsolaris[23:35:36] <CosmicDJ> or NotYetSol..[23:35:39] * alanc hasn't quite gotten the hang of JBeck's one-word "No." answers yet[23:36:15] <Meths> alanc: Is the IPS/release process not somewhat automated? By which what I'm actually asking, I think, is why can't we still have /dev releases following onv_??? while the release branch is having its show-stoppers fixed?[23:36:35] <lewellyn> considering how buggy 134 has been for me to upgrade to, i'm welcoming each consolidation taking the time to fix things :P hopefully 2010.whatever won't have release notes that print onto 8 pages...[23:36:38] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[23:37:10] <lewellyn> Meths: that'd probably require another repository[23:37:19] *** pgr has quit IRC[23:37:30] <lewellyn> since you can't push RCs to /dev if /dev's already ahead of that build[23:37:46] <fleyta> alanc: our daughter has one famous comment when some one gets angry, loud or if she thinks some thing is dangerous and must not happen: Raised hand with finger winking and a long Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu![23:38:18] <fleyta> alanc: She can sing with jbeck the Nuuu Nuuu NO! song :)[23:38:44] * lewellyn is kind of disappointed that the osol-jobs list has died[23:39:22] <lewellyn> (or is it just that the moderators have forgotten that they moderate it?)[23:39:33] <CosmicDJ> yeah, after all the ppl left there must be plenty (and citing oralce: we'll spend more money everywhere)[23:39:35] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[23:39:54] <lewellyn> sstallion: ping?[23:40:18] <Meths> lewellyn: hmmm, of course.[23:40:40] <fleyta> lewellyn: there is a job list?[23:40:48] <lewellyn> fleyta: last post was in september[23:40:56] <lewellyn> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-jobs[23:41:04] <Meths> lewellyn: Did you see Christian's email to sw-porters and wonder what /release had to do with juicer?[23:41:06] <fleyta> lewellyn: So much for the Oraclewehire slogan.[23:41:23] <lewellyn> Meths: it's monday. i have about 8000 emails left to catch up on. then i can worry about lists.[23:41:41] <lewellyn> fleyta: "opensolaris-jobs is a moderated list for the posting of OpenSolaris-related employment opportunities. Postings are group moderated by a set of community volunteers."[23:41:47] <lewellyn> it doesn't say a thing about oracle[23:41:48] <fleyta> lewellyn: I still wait for the Oracle job page to send a confirmantion or some one to contact us. No one seems to bother.[23:41:59] <Meths> lewellyn: Okay, nm.[23:42:07] <fleyta> lewellyn: Thats the official Oracle page for jobs.[23:42:27] <lewellyn> fleyta: i thought your comment was in relation to the osol-jobs list[23:42:37] <fleyta> lewellyn: No.[23:43:00] <lewellyn> i'd honestly be surprised if oracle hr even knew about that list[23:43:07] <fleyta> lewellyn: opensolaris-jobs would be a good idea but it looks it died like many other things on opensolaris.org[23:43:24] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:43:36] <lewellyn> fleyta: my gut says the moderators were RIF'ed[23:44:02] <fleyta> lewellyn: my gut says no one at Oracle cares about the HR site their run.[23:44:32] <fleyta> lewellyn: Or both Roland and I have been black listed.[23:45:09] <fleyta> OK, I am outta here. Baby awake.[23:45:11] <lewellyn> i wouldn't know, since i've not applied and i am not part of oracle :([23:45:13] *** fleyta has left #opensolaris[23:47:21] *** jmcp has quit IRC[23:48:14] *** bubbva has quit IRC[23:49:14] <alanc> Meths: no, each build still has to have most of the packages converted from SVR4 to IPS format, and there's a lot of manual work still required in resynchronizing the pkg definitions between the two[23:49:51] <alanc> that manual work will decrease as more consolidations convert to IPS native builds, but so far only ON has done so, and they've been working out the kinks from that change[23:50:20] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[23:50:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[23:52:22] <sstallion_work> jmcp: morning[23:52:25] *** Mongoose has quit IRC[23:52:27] <jmcp> gday gday[23:52:42] * jmcp lagged at the moment, moving bits around and chewing io bndwdth[23:55:07] <CIA-21> jmcp <James.McPherson at Sun dot COM>: 6944848 6837240 reintroduced $(CH) failure[23:55:22] <jbk> hello jmcp[23:55:26] * lewellyn moves jmcp's bits around :)[23:55:27] <jmcp> hiya[23:55:39] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[23:55:42] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[23:55:58] <jmcp> about 35Gb of media files[23:56:00] <jbk> hey now[23:56:07] <jmcp> figured they should be on their own dataset