April 18, 2010 
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We don't know when it will be released. " says all :([02:22:40] <sstallion> tassilo: its being worked on by a lot of people - there are a few stopper issues which are being addressed[02:22:48] <sstallion> in the end, its a good thing - there will be a stable release[02:23:22] <tassilo> ahh good to hear that. thanks[02:23:53] <sstallion> sure thing[02:24:13] <tassilo> :)[02:25:16] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[02:41:14] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[02:51:03] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[02:51:46] *** Bateau has quit IRC[02:52:54] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[02:54:59] *** wdp has quit IRC[02:55:45] *** derekv has joined #opensolaris[03:12:06] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[03:13:09] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[03:14:45] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[03:15:37] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[03:16:10] *** bklang has quit IRC[03:17:16] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[03:17:30] *** Bateau has quit IRC[03:20:27] *** ma3x__ has quit IRC[03:31:37] *** johe_ has joined #opensolaris[03:32:11] *** rmorse has quit IRC[03:34:07] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[03:35:25] *** johe__ has quit IRC[03:45:07] *** sysspoof has quit IRC[03:45:29] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[03:45:46] *** tassilo has quit IRC[03:48:02] <derekv> Exactly how "stable" are packages in the dev repository? I'm not too familiar with the development cycle.[03:52:43] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[03:59:33] *** tassilo has joined #opensolaris[04:01:53] <sstallion> derekv: I suppose it depends on your definition of stable.[04:02:27] <Jondice> derekv, in my experience, usually not bad at all, but you may want to wait a few days after the packages are available to see if any issues come up[04:03:47] <Jondice> (if the system you are using is in any sense a production system with data on it)[04:04:19] *** communicator has quit IRC[04:04:47] <Jondice> it isn't the majority of the packages that you need to worry about, you can always use beadm to boot to an earlier version[04:05:03] <derekv> sstallion, Jondice thanks. I'm using it to archive/backup and store files. Some of the new zfs options might allow me to save space, but I'm more concerned with not losing anything for now.[04:05:10] <Jondice> its the changes to the kernel and in particular zfs stuff that may be worrisome[04:05:49] <Jondice> derekv, in that case I'd wait for "2010.03" - I think some of the issues were related to dedup, though I'm not sure[04:06:08] <derekv> Yea, I'll wait for someone to stamp it as "production ready"[04:16:08] <duckinator> I feel retarded for asking this again, but what's the command to disable gdm? :D[04:17:11] <Fallen_Demon> Stop it?[04:17:36] <Fallen_Demon> I believe it's svcadm svc:gdm stop or something similar....[04:17:51] <Fallen_Demon> duckinator, Give me a sec to boot up my vm and check[04:18:40] <duckinator> Fallen_Demon: there's a command to make it so it wont automatically start up[04:20:12] <Jondice> should be scadm disable svc:gdm - assuming the last bit is right[04:20:17] <Jondice> *svcadm[04:20:28] <duckinator> alright, thanks[04:20:57] <Fallen_Demon> duckinator, get zsh, it has autocomplete for these kind of things :)[04:21:00] <Jondice> duckinator you can check the name with svcs | grep gdm[04:21:19] <Jondice> unfortunately, my I just realized something funky is up with SMF on my system again ...[04:21:30] <duckinator> Fallen_Demon: i use zsh, i'm just not on opensolaris at this second, i needed to write the command down for later ;D[04:22:24] <duckinator> hm...is osol good with drastically changing hardware?[04:22:42] <duckinator> ie if i put a harddrive in this 3.06GHz Pentium 4 w/ 2 gigs of RAM, installed opensolaris and configured it for low-RAM/CPU usage, then put it in a 700MHz Pentium 3...[04:22:46] <duckinator> (with 512MB RAM)[04:23:18] <duckinator> the installer ran fine on my Pentium 3 before until it ran out of RAM, so CPU isn't the problem, really[04:24:57] <Aria> Yes, but you may have to touch /reconfigure[04:26:49] <Jondice> alanc, regarding bugster bug 6944401: X/gdm hasn't crashed but I get the following when trying to use svcs:[04:26:53] <Jondice> svcs: svcs.c:345: Unexpected libscf error: server has insufficient resources. Exiting.[04:35:56] *** ksool has joined #opensolaris[04:36:20] *** FireflyST has joined #opensolaris[04:37:58] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[04:41:13] *** Mongoose has joined #opensolaris[04:41:21] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[04:41:54] <Mongoose> Can a virtual machine be created from an external hard drive? Using Virtual Box?[04:42:21] *** jthunder has quit IRC[04:43:08] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[04:43:18] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[04:43:37] <Fallen_Demon> Mongoose, VDI files are just regular files[04:43:50] <Fallen_Demon> You can slap them werever you want[04:44:02] <Fallen_Demon> where ever*[04:44:31] <Mongoose> vdi = virtual disc image ?[04:44:47] <Fallen_Demon> Yeah, virtual box's format[04:47:24] <Mongoose> Have you ever used Virtual Box before?[04:47:38] <Mongoose> there is no place in the wizard where you actually select a hard drive to use[04:47:47] <Mongoose> So I'm assuming you move the .vdi file to where you want?[04:49:51] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[04:50:53] <Fallen_Demon> Mongoose, yep[04:50:56] <Fallen_Demon> Then register it[05:06:14] *** fOB_2 has joined #opensolaris[05:09:18] *** fOB has quit IRC[05:11:49] <Mongoose> I'll have to work with it some more...[05:15:16] *** xapiens has quit IRC[05:16:34] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[05:16:49] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:17:32] <lblume> 'morning[05:19:30] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[05:26:34] *** Odin- has quit IRC[05:27:43] *** Mongoose has quit IRC[05:29:20] <Killsudo> is there a way to get what IP's are allowed to a nfs share[05:29:31] *** brett_ has joined #opensolaris[05:31:22] <Jondice> killsudo, not that familiar, but ... /etc/exports ?[05:31:35] <Killsudo> I am using 'zfs set sharenfs=root=@'[05:31:54] <Killsudo> Id like to be able to add more IP's later or at least list what ones are currently in use with a share[05:32:25] <Killsudo> i cant seem to find the documentation that explains sharenfs[05:33:09] <Killsudo> Jondice: no /etc/exports file[05:33:49] <Jondice> Killsudo, yeah, i forgot zfs had specialized nfs handling[05:34:10] <lblume> You're probably looking for showmount.[05:35:38] <Killsudo> lblume: closer[05:35:54] <Killsudo> but showmount doesnt specify what share is associated with that address[05:36:29] <Killsudo> aha[05:36:32] <Killsudo> showmount -a[05:37:20] * LadySerena luffs OpenSolaris[05:38:20] <lblume> Yes, I know, I was suggesting it at the same time you found it :-)[05:38:27] <Killsudo> also cat /etc/rmtab[05:39:49] <lblume> But I seem to remember that NFSv4 mounts were not shown in some cases.[05:39:55] <Killsudo> yup[05:39:59] <Killsudo> first warning on the man[05:40:02] <lblume> Ah well, time to go out for lunch anyway, good luck.[05:40:09] <Killsudo> thanks[05:40:16] <Killsudo> have a peaceful lunch[05:40:27] <lblume> Thanks :-)[05:45:30] <sstallion> gdamore: around?[05:46:03] *** Spencer_tt1 has joined #opensolaris[05:46:26] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[05:47:42] <sstallion> jbk: around?[05:47:54] <sstallion> I'd even settle for jmcp :D[05:50:09] <jbk> yeah[05:51:55] *** xapiens has quit IRC[05:53:50] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[06:03:03] <sstallion> jbk: can i get you to take a quick look at something?[06:04:10] <sstallion> http://arf.ubound.org/~sstallion/efe.c.txt[06:04:23] <sstallion> look at efe_ring_alloc[06:05:00] *** eleusis has quit IRC[06:05:10] <sstallion> actually, you might want to refresh that[06:05:23] <sstallion> (it should be efe_init_ring)[06:05:36] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[06:05:37] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[06:08:17] <jbk> one thing is i think you might need to unwind more[06:08:29] <sstallion> how so ?[06:08:35] <jbk> if ddi_dma_alloc_handle succeeds but ddi_dma_mem_alloc fails[06:08:39] <sstallion> (mind you I'm not particularly happy with how this turned out)[06:08:41] <sstallion> ahh[06:08:46] <sstallion> that will get covered in a fini op[06:09:11] <jbk> ok[06:09:34] <sstallion> the biggest nit I have is dealing with the descriptor bits[06:09:52] <sstallion> I'm tempted to break this into an alloc/free (with unwinding) and an init function[06:10:03] <sstallion> so the init would tear through the descriptors and set any necessary bits[06:11:08] <sstallion> not sure which I like better to be honest[06:11:18] <jbk> just add a goto to unwind[06:11:23] <sstallion> sure[06:11:26] <sstallion> thats not a big deal[06:11:48] <sstallion> initializing the ring is the same for rx and tx - just different control bits are set[06:12:17] <sstallion> so the alloc/free would be shared, but I'd have a rxinit and txinit I think to muck with the descriptor setup[06:15:04] *** brett_ has quit IRC[06:16:17] <sstallion> actually I think that will work[06:16:22] <sstallion> oh well... time for bed. night![06:16:22] <jbk> what card is efe?[06:16:25] <sstallion> spwr[06:16:31] <sstallion> (SMC EtherPower II)[06:16:35] <jbk> not familiar with it[06:16:37] <jbk> well night[06:16:44] <sstallion> its actually a pretty decent chip[06:16:52] <sstallion> it just never really caught on I guess[06:17:16] <jbk> i really need to practice, but don't feel like it tonight =][06:17:24] <jbk> (playing the crawfish festival next week)[06:17:34] <jbk> plus sitting in for a song or two that night w/ another band[06:20:19] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[06:20:27] *** alexc has joined #opensolaris[06:20:41] <sstallion> ahh cool[06:20:44] <sstallion> sounds like a busy night[06:21:06] <sstallion> not sure if I told you yet - looks like I'll be moving to Athens, GA this summer[06:21:15] <sstallion> took a job at CORAID doing driver work[06:21:18] *** stewart has quit IRC[06:22:16] <sstallion> pretty good group of guys there - should be fun[06:22:54] <jbk> oh, congrats[06:23:08] <sstallion> thanks[06:23:13] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[06:23:23] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[06:24:27] <jbk> have fun moving =][06:24:31] <jbk> (I hate it :P)[06:24:35] *** xapiens has quit IRC[06:24:51] <sstallion> could be worse ;)[06:25:19] <jbk> my lease here is up in either june or july...[06:25:28] <jbk> i've been contemplating finding another place w/ cheaper rent[06:25:41] <jbk> but don't look forward to moving if i do[06:26:08] <sstallion> still wanting to stay in houston?[06:26:11] <jbk> but could probably rent a 3bd house for what i pay for this tiny place[06:26:14] <jbk> yeah[06:26:17] <jbk> just closer to work[06:26:29] <sstallion> I hear theres plenty of space in baytown :P[06:26:32] <jbk> as every weekend, i'm driving 45+mins each way for practices[06:26:36] <sstallion> ouch[06:26:53] <sstallion> I do about 30 heading into the office (which is pretty good)[06:26:58] <sstallion> my old commute was around 1:30[06:27:01] <jbk> it's about 35 now[06:27:09] <sstallion> 1:45 - 2:00 in bad weather[06:27:09] <jbk> that'd probably stay the same if i go to the spring area[06:27:14] <Fallen_Demon> I'm usually at about 30-45 minutes[06:27:15] <jbk> as any closer would put me in the hood[06:27:29] <jbk> if you're familiar with greenspoint (aka gunspoint)[06:27:34] <jbk> that's where the office is[06:27:41] <sstallion> ahh gotcha[06:27:43] <sstallion> yeah[06:27:50] <jbk> but it'd put me closer to all the other stuff for practice[06:27:53] <jbk> but further from downtown[06:29:03] *** fuku1 has joined #opensolaris[06:33:49] <sstallion> alright - I'm out for the evening'[06:33:51] * sstallion &[06:34:54] <jbk> later[06:35:10] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[06:36:57] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[06:40:59] *** Aria has quit IRC[06:45:43] <ROKO__> ^^[06:45:49] <ROKO__> after update dev[06:45:57] <ROKO__> opensolaris cannot boot[06:50:38] *** stewart has quit IRC[06:52:16] *** kevinw_ has quit IRC[06:53:42] <Spencer_tt1> OpenSolaris demands ram[06:56:57] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[06:57:41] <Spencer_tt1> at least maybe 6 or 8 GB not kidding + this would do the world some good on some notebooks http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/puresilicon-introduces-worlds-first-1tb-2-5-inch-ssd/[06:57:54] <Spencer_tt1> size matters apparently[06:58:19] <Spencer_tt1> ROKO__: why can't you boot[06:58:32] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[06:59:20] <ROKO__> In effect, it boot but can't go to X11[06:59:45] * Spencer_tt1 reads the rel notes http://bit.ly/d4N8N2[07:01:03] <ROKO__> ?[07:02:38] <Spencer_tt1> you just fail to login, what error messages do you get[07:03:11] <ROKO__> wait[07:03:43] <Spencer_tt1> sure and you're on 137 are you not[07:06:05] <ROKO__> 137 ?[07:06:08] <ROKO__> what is 137[07:06:11] <ROKO__> build ?[07:08:37] <ROKO__> http://i43.tinypic.com/rif2bd.png[07:08:40] <ROKO__> Spencer_tt1[07:08:42] <ROKO__> look[07:10:10] <Spencer_tt1> 137 is the current dev release[07:11:29] <ROKO__> i look only 134 dev release[07:11:30] <ROKO__> ^^[07:11:35] <Spencer_tt1> do you really need to use 134?[07:12:49] <Spencer_tt1> you could always get a earlier build version such as 131, 129 and so on from genunix.org[07:12:49] <ROKO__> why ask me this question? I just try to see if I will recognize virtualbox audio card[07:13:14] <ROKO__> I draw from there now[07:14:26] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[07:14:38] <Spencer_tt1> you could use one that works while you get to know build 134 better,[07:15:55] <Spencer_tt1> lewellyn: where can I get the 134 release docs[07:19:24] <Spencer_tt1> ROKO__: you could search though this http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/ can't give you any specific advice on 134 unless you read look for the rel notes[07:20:11] <ROKO__> okay[07:21:02] <Spencer_tt1> here's the link http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-March/017650.html[07:23:43] <Spencer_tt1> with some patience + time on your hands you'll probably come across a bug like yours and find the solution if you don't get the answer you need on this chan sooner[07:24:12] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[07:25:45] <ROKO__> begin to install then I would say the result[07:30:34] *** lo3Viej has joined #opensolaris[07:32:30] <Spencer_tt1> safe to say you can try another opensolaris dev image and see if you get desirable results[07:35:59] *** dsturnbull has left #opensolaris[07:36:42] <ROKO__> 134 I notice that now recognizes all the hardware and install it now and then I'll play with it[07:36:58] *** vraa has quit IRC[07:39:16] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[07:43:38] <alexc> i thought 134 was the latest dev release[07:43:45] <alexc> or was i dreaming that?[07:43:55] <Spencer_tt1> hardware compatibility should not be a problem in most cases, hang around this channel a bit and #opensolaris-dev and let some one know[07:44:33] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[07:49:08] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[07:56:15] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[07:56:15] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[07:56:15] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[07:56:42] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:56:48] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:57:42] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[07:57:50] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[07:58:08] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[08:00:54] *** lo3Viej has quit IRC[08:05:08] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[08:05:46] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[08:06:48] *** nikolam has quit IRC[08:07:31] *** alexc has quit IRC[08:10:11] *** lattera has quit IRC[08:16:41] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[08:20:03] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[08:20:07] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[08:21:10] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[08:21:33] *** lo3Viej has joined #opensolaris[08:35:47] *** eycel has left #opensolaris[08:39:09] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt1: release notes are always in /topic[08:40:23] *** taemun has quit IRC[08:40:51] *** RoyK has quit IRC[08:41:01] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[08:44:36] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[08:45:13] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[08:46:51] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[08:47:45] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[08:48:40] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[08:48:49] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[08:49:30] <ROKO__> how install flash player from osol[08:49:31] <ROKO__> ?[08:53:19] *** taemun has joined #opensolaris[08:54:40] *** Bateau has quit IRC[08:59:52] *** eleusis has quit IRC[09:01:24] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[09:01:25] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[09:04:07] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[09:06:40] <lewellyn> smrt: explain extra repo[09:06:40] <smrt> "Extra" software which requires licensing and can't be provided as part of OpenSolaris itself. See also: https://pkg.sun.com/ and http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo200906/How+to+Browse+the+Support+and+Extra+Repositories[09:06:45] <lewellyn> ROKO__: from there :)[09:07:39] *** xapiens has left #opensolaris[09:09:11] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[09:20:13] *** Seeder has joined #opensolaris[09:20:19] *** Dar has quit IRC[09:20:30] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[09:20:36] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[09:25:34] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[09:25:56] <ROKO__> lewellyn[09:25:58] <ROKO__> what[09:27:27] <lblume> hi again, IRC people.[09:28:40] <lewellyn> ROKO__: that pkg.sun.com link that smrt gave[09:28:49] <ROKO__> how[09:28:49] <ROKO__> ?[09:29:43] <lewellyn> ROKO__: step 1: open firefox. step 2: click the address bar. step 3: type https://pkg.sun.com/ step 4: press enter. step 5: follow the directions on that site.[09:29:56] <ROKO__> registration[09:30:19] <ROKO__> can't register[09:30:19] <lewellyn> ok. so register.[09:30:39] <lewellyn> that's the only way to get access to the extra repo which has things like better fonts, virtualbox, flash, etc.[09:30:57] <ROKO__> click on the register and asks me username and password?[09:31:22] <lblume> "If you don't yet have a Sun Online Account, please register for one. "[09:31:39] * lewellyn takes this as a sign that ROKO__ doesn't pay for support :P[09:31:40] <lblume> That hypertext thingy and clickable words, it's rather confusing, right?[09:32:00] <lewellyn> let me make this easier still. i clicked the link for you[09:32:01] <lewellyn> https://reg.sun.com/register?goto=http://pkg.sun.com/register&program=osolaris[09:32:04] <ROKO__> it's just snap but I want a username and password? What should I do?[09:32:05] <lewellyn> there. try that[09:32:28] <lewellyn> as it says, your email address will be your user name[09:32:29] <lblume> Lie about your age, tell them you're 21.[09:33:19] *** easyE has quit IRC[09:34:31] * lewellyn has always wondered what "Students Check Here." does[09:35:02] <ROKO__> now what to do[09:35:03] <ROKO__> ?[09:35:26] <lewellyn> log in with the username and password you made[09:37:03] <ROKO__> from which all options are free?[09:37:04] *** vraa has quit IRC[09:37:04] <ROKO__> ?[09:37:48] <lewellyn> if they're listed, they're available to your account[09:38:42] <ROKO__> extras clusters and glassfish[09:38:44] <ROKO__> ?[09:40:28] *** easyE has joined #opensolaris[09:42:23] *** uruwaton has joined #opensolaris[09:45:41] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[09:46:58] *** uruwaton has quit IRC[09:48:32] <ROKO__> $ pfexec pkg set-authority \[09:48:33] <ROKO__> -k /var/pkg/ssl/OpenSolaris_extras.key.pem \[09:48:33] <ROKO__> -c /var/pkg/ssl/OpenSolaris_extras.certificate.pem \[09:48:33] <ROKO__> -O https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/extra/ extra[09:48:36] <ROKO__> that not work[09:48:38] <ROKO__> ...[09:49:21] *** Kapsel_ has joined #opensolaris[09:49:45] *** ampex_ has joined #opensolaris[09:49:47] *** IvanR__ has joined #opensolaris[09:49:57] *** xenol_ has joined #opensolaris[09:50:22] *** bball_ has joined #opensolaris[09:50:33] *** nightwis- has joined #opensolaris[09:50:35] *** mikaeld_ has joined #opensolaris[09:50:45] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[09:51:03] *** rcsheets` has joined #opensolaris[09:51:31] *** Bateau has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** leito has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** logic855 has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** xenol has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** Thrae has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** mikaeld has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** mavhk has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** ampex has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** JeremyK has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** farsan has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** Wild_Geese has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** bball has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** nightwish has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** hile_ has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** rcsheets`osu has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** Kapsel has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** Andys^ has quit IRC[09:51:32] *** logic is now known as logic855[09:51:36] *** leito_ has joined #opensolaris[09:52:18] *** farsan has joined #opensolaris[09:52:22] *** mavhk has joined #opensolaris[09:55:38] *** Andys^ has joined #opensolaris[09:58:15] *** hile has joined #opensolaris[09:58:50] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[09:58:53] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[09:59:24] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[09:59:40] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[10:05:12] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[10:08:40] <ROKO__> how fix broken packages from osol[10:08:41] <ROKO__> ?[10:09:38] *** omry|work has joined #opensolaris[10:10:23] <lblume> man pkg /fix[10:10:46] <ROKO__> i install mplayer[10:10:49] <ROKO__> from osol[10:10:52] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[10:11:01] <ROKO__> but mplayer is broken[10:11:02] <lblume> Unlikely, since there is no mplayer in osol.[10:11:11] <lblume> So it can't be broken.[10:11:18] <ROKO__> ?[10:11:51] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[10:13:06] <ROKO__> And what can I use multimedia in osol, eg vlc audacious mpd and such[10:13:37] <palowoda> http://solaris.homeunix.com/[10:13:39] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[10:14:17] <ROKO__> Yes I installed Mplayer from there[10:14:42] <lblume> Oh, maybe you could have said so, then.[10:15:08] <lblume> Making information difficult to obtain is not making people want to help you.[10:16:40] *** Wild_Geese has joined #opensolaris[10:17:01] *** ma3x_ has quit IRC[10:17:14] <palowoda> Note that solaris.homeunix.com has a forum to ask questions when their products do not work. It is NOT the goal of this IRC channel to support the mplayer distributed by them.[10:18:07] <lblume> And it's unsupportable anyway, as it gives wrong permissions to the directories. I recently found out that's a pain.[10:18:09] *** ma3x__ has quit IRC[10:21:32] <palowoda> lblume: About as bad as supporting Oracle's DB and Applications on OpenSolaris. :-)[10:25:35] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[10:27:31] <lblume> What, you can't get support for Oracle in an S10 branded zone on osol?[10:28:46] *** winstonw has quit IRC[10:28:59] <palowoda> I don't think Oracle would know how to test that situation.[10:30:52] <lblume> Aha, wouldn't they? :-)[10:32:02] <palowoda> I guess the answer would be to call your local Oracle sales rep.[10:32:32] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[10:33:01] *** nitrile has quit IRC[10:35:55] <ROKO__> how install findutils ?[10:37:04] *** w3rd_ has joined #opensolaris[10:37:05] *** Bateau has quit IRC[10:37:42] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[10:49:46] <CosmicDJ> ROKO__: what's wrong with solaris' find?[10:50:36] *** nitrile has quit IRC[10:51:31] <palowoda> CosmicDJ: I think the difference in findutils and find in Solaris is the locate command. Though in Opensolaris I thought the locate was included.[10:53:32] *** mikaeld_ is now known as mikaeld[10:54:43] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[10:55:07] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[10:55:10] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[10:55:21] *** RoyK has quit IRC[10:56:02] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris[10:56:02] *** JeremyK has joined #opensolaris[10:56:02] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[11:00:02] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[11:00:19] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[11:00:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[11:05:02] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[11:07:31] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[11:09:53] *** santoroj has joined #opensolaris[11:10:00] *** xdccMule[5263UH] has joined #opensolaris[11:12:34] <jbit> don't gnome/etc come with nice metadata indexers which are more powerful than locate/updatedb these days?[11:12:36] *** RoyK has quit IRC[11:12:42] <jbit> i'm sure tehre are command line interfaces to these[11:14:18] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[11:15:22] <palowoda> I think the gnome metadata indexers where turned off. And they where not related to the locate database.[11:15:30] <palowoda> Turned off by defualt.[11:16:48] <palowoda> A matter of cpu consumption.[11:18:56] <palowoda> The locate issues revolved around security issues which I thought they resolved.[11:19:35] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[11:19:40] <causality> guten morgen mon amis[11:21:37] <jbit> well if you're having some program walk through your filesystem every so often, imho you might as well have it index a few more things than the name of the file :)[11:21:54] <ROKO__> libXfixes.so.3 missing[11:21:55] <ROKO__> ^^[11:21:56] <nikolam> Hey, Did not try yet to fresh install 134. Is it still needed to install on Primary partition?[11:22:25] <jbit> ROKO__: it is?[11:22:26] <lewellyn> caiman should be aware of extended partitions now[11:22:44] <nikolam> lewellyn, that is great[11:22:47] <lewellyn> though i don't think you can manipulate extended partitions via caiman[11:22:50] <ROKO__> try run mplayer but missing libXfixes.so.3[11:22:53] <lewellyn> but you have gparted available[11:22:56] <ROKO__> have only libXfixes.so.1[11:23:22] <jbit> ROKO__: sounds like it was biult against a system quite different from yours[11:23:23] <lewellyn> nikolam: why in god's name are you sticking > 4 operating systems on 1 drive though?[11:23:25] <palowoda> jbit: locate was a manual update to the indexes. The gnome indexes where updated to frequent.[11:24:01] <jbit> palowoda: ah[11:24:17] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[11:26:07] <nikolam> lewellyn, what.. I was just asking if Osol can boot form extended partition. Not only from primary. One might need windows, linux, and can not use OSX because Opensolaris still does not have support for Gpt . I mostly use Linux on that machine. Osol is on laptop (have small xp on first partition)[11:26:35] <lewellyn> um. you can make a protective mbr on a gpt disk[11:26:43] <lewellyn> how do you think boot camp works? :P[11:26:50] <nikolam> lewellyn, question was intended for my information, since many people asked me that, that wanted to try out osol 0906 and keep their windows or linux or both[11:27:04] <palowoda> jbit: Those that use the locate db usually update the the meta db indexes via cron at a none intrusive time. Building meta data per user can be quite expensive as in the Gnome product.[11:27:04] <lewellyn> 2009.06 won't let you use extended partitions[11:27:16] <nikolam> lewellyn, I dont think anyone actually has or want apple hardware.[11:27:19] <lewellyn> and you can have 4 partitions without a need for extended partitions[11:27:25] * lewellyn looks at the macs in the room[11:27:31] * CosmicDJ hides[11:27:47] <jbit> palowoda: i just assumed it was possible to run the gnome (neopmuk?) indexers in a similar way to the updatedb command (ie via cron at specific times)[11:27:57] * lewellyn debates whether to upgrade to 10.6.3 right now...[11:28:10] <nikolam> lewellyn, so newer install support extended partitions, right[11:29:02] <CosmicDJ> since they fixed countless bugs.. why not[11:29:05] *** RoyK has quit IRC[11:29:07] <lewellyn> 2010.03 should, yes. however, i don't think anyone here has tried, as i don't think any of us use > 4 operating systems on one disk[11:29:43] <nikolam> lewellyn, well.. I have 2 disks.. and many vbox machines, too ;)[11:29:53] <lblume> lewellyn: The hassle is not worth the price of a disk. People who do are masochists.[11:30:01] <lewellyn> ok. if you have two disks, tehre's like zero reason[11:30:17] <lewellyn> do you really need more than EIGHT operating systems to be booted into on raw hardware?[11:30:22] <lewellyn> this isn't 1999[11:30:25] <palowoda> jbit: I think one of the arguments about the meta data updates is how much the "owner of the system" wants to see or in the case of the gnome meta data to make the meta updates user friendly.[11:30:45] <lewellyn> lblume: exactly. solaris is getting features it should have had 15-20 years ago still[11:30:59] <lewellyn> it's kind of quaint seeing them finally show up[11:31:41] <lblume> lewellyn: But online, you can't see if they're wearing studded leather costumes. So to detect the guy who like to be hurt, you just wait till he asks for extended partition bootability.[11:32:03] <nikolam> lewellyn, well, I have One home WS I build myself. on 2 disks there is linux soft. raid. Plus windows, plus some testing installs, etc.[11:32:31] <lewellyn> nikolam: this is 2010. there's more than qemu available these days[11:32:34] <lblume> Yeah, 20 years ago, it would have been useful. Now, considering they're complaining about lack of resources and stuff, it's a total waste of time, and I'd bet no Fortune 500 customer ever asked for it, so the ROI looks pretty small.[11:32:58] <lewellyn> lblume: istr that someone said some usb drives ship with a single extended partition[11:33:11] <lewellyn> which would be a valid business use case: interoperability[11:33:11] <nikolam> lewellyn, well, yes, I have many vbox machines, too. But some things need to be tested on hardware.[11:33:31] <lewellyn> nikolam: > 4 partitions per disk is so 1999 though :([11:33:52] <jbit> lewellyn: what a stupid product :)[11:34:03] <lewellyn> jbit: which?[11:34:07] <lblume> USB drives ship with *all kinds* of fscking crappy partitioning. Something without a partition, even, just like a floppy. So trying to support them all is still a total waste of time. Making them easier to format would be better.[11:34:15] <jbit> lewellyn: drives taht ship with logical partitions :)[11:34:17] <nikolam> well, I dunno, I have 5 partitions or a bit more per disk, and I am doing fine I think[11:34:46] <lewellyn> jbit: they tend to have slightly broken FATs, too, so they don't infringe on patents. chkdsk fixes them silently these days, so...[11:35:01] <jbit> lewellyn: hah[11:35:04] <lblume> lewellyn: And beside, USB drives nor are NTFS formatted anyway, and I don't see them automatically m,ounted even if properly put on a primary.[11:35:26] <lewellyn> lblume: the preliminaries for ntfs read seem to be there now[11:35:32] <lewellyn> so hopefully "soon"[11:35:42] <lblume> Very much preliminary.[11:35:49] <jbit> doesnt ntfs-3g run on opensolaris?[11:36:03] <lewellyn> jbit: that's not out-of-the-box though[11:36:07] <lewellyn> smrt: explain ntfs[11:36:07] <lblume> I gave a try to the ntfstools, and they Just didn't Work.[11:36:08] <smrt> Read/write is supported via FUSE and NTFS-3G. FUSE is still beta, but http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=513 has an example for installing NTFS-3G. SFEntfs-3g is also available in SFE. You will need to install SUNWfusefs/SUNWlibfuse first, regardless. (See also: spec-files-extra)[11:36:24] <jbit> fair enough[11:36:51] <lewellyn> we're asking for lots of things which it's been demonstrated there's no manpower for :)[11:37:26] <lblume> *shrugs* nobody outside Sun is able to do it?[11:37:39] <lblume> s/Sun/Oracle/g[11:37:42] <jbit> lewellyn: of course, but nobody does[11:37:43] <lewellyn> has anyone outside of sun demonstrated that they're willing to?[11:37:59] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[11:38:10] <lblume> If there are SFE tools, I'd say yes, no?[11:38:23] <lewellyn> note that it requires SUNWlibfuse[11:38:28] <lblume> Now move them to /contrib, hahaha[11:38:40] <lewellyn> which indicates that it's an internal project[11:38:49] *** fuku1 has left #opensolaris[11:39:08] <lewellyn> smrt: explain SUNWlibfuse[11:39:08] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about SUNWlibfuse...[11:39:13] <lewellyn> smrt: explain SUNWfusefs[11:39:14] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about SUNWfusefs...[11:39:16] <lewellyn> lame[11:40:02] <lblume> I thought fuse was not exactly a great success on Linux. What makes Oracle think they can make it great on Solaris?[11:40:20] <lewellyn> it pre-dates oracle[11:40:28] <lewellyn> as indicated by the SUNW[11:40:31] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[11:40:38] <jbit> fuse has its uses[11:40:49] <jbit> sshfs is awesome :)[11:40:52] <lewellyn> smrt: explain fuse[11:40:53] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about fuse...[11:40:58] <lblume> Oh, SUNW means so little, I don't think they'll replace it by ORCL.[11:41:26] <jbit> sun didn'T repalce it with JAVA when they changed symbol[11:41:27] <jbit> :)[11:41:30] <jbit> (thank god)[11:41:36] <lewellyn> smrt: learn fuse=(Someone add a good description here, please.) See also: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+fuse/ , ntfs, ext3[11:41:44] <lewellyn> smrt: append ntfs=, fuse[11:42:04] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[11:42:05] <jbit> smrt: take over the world[11:42:07] <lewellyn> jbit: JAVAjavau![11:42:48] <lewellyn> fuse sounds kind of... dead. "NOTE: As of 25 June 2009 FUSE calls are suspended until further notice.[11:45:12] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[11:45:14] <lblume> Yay, dead projects.[11:46:09] * lblume goes back to poking IDN in Chinese.[11:46:32] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[11:47:45] <lewellyn> oh it's not quite dead yet! http://src.opensolaris.org/source/history/fuse/fusefs/kernel/[11:48:07] *** tsoome has quit IRC[11:52:19] *** ROKO__[OSOL] has joined #opensolaris[11:52:21] <ROKO__[OSOL]> ^^[11:57:27] *** jayk- has quit IRC[11:58:30] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[11:58:39] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[11:59:09] <ROKO__[OSOL]> http://dpaste.com/184945/[11:59:12] <ROKO__[OSOL]> what is problem[12:03:13] <Stric> Given the error message, I would guess that you're trying to install a package that doesn't exist.[12:03:42] *** ROKO__[OSOL] has quit IRC[12:04:22] <lblume> I'd say the problem is between the keyboard and the chair.[12:06:38] *** nitrile has quit IRC[12:11:35] *** xenol_ is now known as xenol[12:15:18] *** tomocha6 has joined #opensolaris[12:16:12] <RoyK> hi all. i just read through http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/disk_power_saving.jsp and I just wonder - is it logged somewhere when the drives power down?[12:17:17] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[12:38:00] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[12:46:44] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[12:47:16] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:55:14] *** nightwis- is now known as nightwish[12:55:37] <jbit> hrm, i have a sata device in "unusable" state according to cfgadm[12:55:44] <jbit> any way to clear this condition?[12:56:31] <RoyK> iirc you need a reboot[12:56:35] <jbit> grah[12:57:25] *** lattera has quit IRC[12:58:59] <jbit> "You can change the port state by deactivating the port and activating it again using cfgadm SATA hardware-specificcommands"[12:59:03] <jbit> although this doesn'T work[13:01:36] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[13:01:47] *** raichoo has quit IRC[13:02:05] <lblume> Can anybody tell me how the fsck I can stop this stupid osol from enabling keypad mouse emulation? It's getting on my nerves, turning it on by itself.[13:02:36] <lblume> jbit: You can try to send a hardware reset on the port too.[13:03:26] <jbit> lblume: tried that too, didn't clear hte flag[13:03:39] <jbit> rebooting worked though[13:03:40] <jbit> annoying[13:05:22] *** santoroj has quit IRC[13:11:21] *** DesiJat has quit IRC[13:26:20] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[13:26:20] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[13:29:55] *** vivid has quit IRC[13:36:44] *** dalibor has quit IRC[13:40:07] *** RoyK has quit IRC[13:40:20] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[13:40:22] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[13:42:46] *** CompanionCube has quit IRC[13:43:53] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[13:45:29] <mrp> when i login via smb share on my opensolaris machine the user im logged in as seems to be identified as another user? eg the perms are created as matthew:other instead of kathy:other[13:45:57] *** quark_ has joined #opensolaris[13:48:47] *** quark_ has quit IRC[13:48:56] <mrp> its really wierd :([13:50:27] *** quark_ has joined #opensolaris[13:51:35] *** quark_ has quit IRC[13:52:25] <Stric> mrp: given that you probably know anything at all about your machine and the server.. could it be uid swap between kathy/matthew on server vs client?[13:52:58] <mrp> i checked they were different[13:53:06] <mrp> i have tried several different clients[13:53:08] <mrp> nathan@zoot:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep kathy[13:53:09] <mrp> kathy:x:104:1:Kathy James:/export/home/kathy:/bin/false[13:53:09] <mrp> nathan@zoot:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep matthew[13:53:09] <mrp> matthew:x:103:1:Matthew James:/export/home/matthew:/bin/false[13:53:30] *** quark_ has joined #opensolaris[13:54:12] <mrp> it is really wierd[13:54:30] <Stric> and on the other machine?[13:55:13] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[13:55:14] <jbit> smb doesn't use uids[13:55:30] <Stric> but unix extensions over smb/cifs has additional info[13:56:19] <lblume> smb does use uids, and depending on how the mapping is done with unix, it can be messy.[13:56:19] <mrp> Stric: i have tried a ubuntu box and a windows desktop[13:57:36] <mrp> Stric: the users aren't setup[13:57:39] <mrp> on the client[13:57:41] <Stric> mrp: so on the windows client, when you look at a file that's owned by matthew on the server, the windows box says it's owned by kathy?[13:57:50] <mrp> they just mount the shares using "different user/pass"[13:58:30] <Stric> you're being thin on details, and the issue is probably in the details[13:58:39] <jbit> mrp: pfexec cat /var/smb/smbpasswd[13:58:46] <jbit> mrp: do the uids make sense?[13:59:26] <RoyK> so what's up with 2010.09? has Oracle stopped it?[13:59:28] <mrp> jbit: nope![13:59:31] <mrp> BINGO[13:59:37] <mrp> they have the same uid[13:59:41] <mrp> in that file[13:59:46] <jbit> that sounds liek a mistake to me :P[13:59:54] <mrp> can i edit that file?[14:00:18] <jbit> mrp: i think you can yes[14:00:45] <mrp> grr its readonly[14:00:58] <mrp> nathan@zoot:~# ls -la /var/smb/smbpasswd[14:01:00] <RoyK> :w![14:01:01] <RoyK> :)[14:01:02] <jbit> then maybe you shouldnt edit it[14:01:03] <jbit> ;P[14:01:27] <RoyK> mrp: :w![14:01:37] *** quark_ is now known as CompanionCube[14:03:06] <jkimball4> cksum can't output base64 correct?[14:03:09] <jkimball4> workaround?[14:03:30] <Stric> in what way is a checksum and base64 encoding related?[14:03:33] <mrp> thank you so much guys working now :)[14:03:53] <jkimball4> Stric: just how it's output[14:03:54] <mrp> knew it was a uid problem but didn't know about the smbpasswd file![14:03:57] <jbit> mrp: it seems there is a bug report on this behaviour[14:04:15] <Stric> jkimball4: then.. no.. cksum doesn't use base64 encoding of its output[14:04:18] <jbit> it seems if you change hte uid of a user then your smb users will "stay"[14:04:28] <mrp> jbit: i see :)[14:04:47] <Stric> jkimball4: are you actually asking if you can get cksum to do md5/sha1 sum instead of the current crc?[14:04:56] <jkimball4> no[14:05:08] <jkimball4> i formulated my question properly :)[14:05:13] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[14:05:21] <jkimball4> not concisely though[14:05:26] *** eleusis has quit IRC[14:05:28] <Stric> ok, then the answer is properly "no, and you're asking a weird question"[14:05:36] <jbit> Stric: he wants the output with base64 numbers rather than decimal[14:05:44] <jkimball4> not really. it's quite common to get base4 for a sum[14:05:49] <jkimball4> base64*[14:06:07] <jkimball4> but the answer is still no, indeed[14:06:09] <Stric> jkimball4: base64 is just a way to print data in a human readable way[14:06:18] <jkimball4> yep[14:06:21] <Stric> unrelated to how that data is produced[14:06:27] <jkimball4> that's the whole point of an sum[14:06:27] <jbit> Stric: no, its a number system, like hex and decimal[14:06:37] <jkimball4> to be human readable[14:06:41] <jbit> he wants the checksum outputted in a different number system :P[14:06:50] <Stric> jbit: yeah. and that doesn't make sense.[14:06:55] <jbit> why?[14:07:02] <jbit> it makes teh checksum much smaller for emails and such[14:07:16] <jkimball4> base83 is properly too much to ask for hehe[14:07:17] <Stric> jbit: have you tried cksum?[14:07:31] <Stric> it prints a 16 bit number in decimal[14:07:39] <Stric> so you have up to 5 characters.[14:07:42] <jbit> Stric: true, come to think of it[14:07:52] <Stric> how does it make sense to base64 encode that, "to make it much smaller" ?[14:08:09] <jbit> Stric: yeah, for some reason i was thinking cksum did things other htan crc16 or whatever it uses[14:08:20] <jkimball4> it does[14:08:26] <jkimball4> cksum -x algorithm[14:08:30] <jkimball4> does all sorts[14:08:39] <jkimball4> maybe Stric hasn't used cksum[14:08:58] <jbit> jkimball4: no, i think it's that Stric use GNU cksum[14:09:12] <jkimball4> well this isn't the place for gnu tools is it?[14:09:17] <jbit> nope[14:09:21] <Stric> SunOS 5.10 Last change: 1 Feb 1995 3[14:09:31] <jbit> Stric: "which cksum"[14:09:37] <Stric> jbit: solaris 10 cksum[14:09:52] <jkimball4> now do echo "I am Stric" | cksum -x sha512[14:10:01] <jbit> well my cksum does md5msha1,sha256,sha512,etc[14:10:05] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[14:10:05] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[14:10:10] <Stric> cksum: illegal option -- x[14:10:17] <Stric> so it might be a recent addition to opensolaris then, sorry.[14:10:25] <jkimball4> i'm on sxce 129[14:10:32] <Stric> traditionally, cksum has only printed the 16bit crc[14:10:35] <jbit> Stric: what does the command "which cksum" output though? ;)[14:10:46] <jkimball4> opengroup spec only requires crc yes[14:11:32] <Stric> jbit: I have both Solaris 10 cksum and gnu cksum installed, and I know how to specify which I want.. neither of them accepts -x, but apparently in recent osol it does.[14:11:47] <jbit> Stric: fair enough[14:11:57] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[14:12:03] <Stric> So it seems like I was wrong, and will now shut up in this regard.[14:12:07] <jkimball4> *shrug*[14:12:10] <jbit> anyyyyway[14:12:16] <jbit> jkimball4: it doens't seem like it can, no[14:12:33] <jbit> which is indeed odd, since sha512 in hex is super long[14:12:54] <jkimball4> yep[14:13:03] <jkimball4> would be nice[14:13:04] <Stric> jkimball4: what you can do is to use 'digest -a sha256 blah' or sha512 or whatever you want[14:13:15] <Stric> which is written in your nice base64 encoding[14:13:25] <jkimball4> Stric: that'd answer my second question. thanks[14:13:48] <jbit> hrm, digest outputs in hex for me actually[14:14:00] <jkimball4> me too[14:14:17] <jkimball4> oh well[14:14:17] <Stric> hm. true.[14:15:34] <Stric> so pipe it through perl -ne 'use MIME::Base64;print encode_base64($_)' or something ;)[14:17:05] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[14:17:55] *** krzabr has joined #opensolaris[14:20:35] <mrp> what should be in /etc/hostname.if[14:20:36] <mrp> ?[14:20:41] <mrp> mines been wiped[14:23:45] <RoyK> your ip[14:24:23] <mrp> should that auto if im using dhcp?[14:24:43] <jbit> i odn't have such a file[14:24:48] <jbit> and i'm using nwam[14:25:25] <RoyK> mrp: I don't think it's in use with dhcp[14:25:55] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[14:26:34] <mrp> i put something in it the other day so that my dhcp server would get my hostname[14:26:36] *** kevinw_ has joined #opensolaris[14:26:37] *** thirdwheel has joined #opensolaris[14:26:46] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[14:28:09] <thirdwheel> hey all, trying to get an iscsi target going on a zfs volume that already exists - I set shareiscsi to on, but it doesn't appear in 'iscsitadm list target -v' - am I missing something stupidly simple here?[14:28:30] <thirdwheel> this is under snv_119[14:29:47] *** krzabr has quit IRC[14:31:14] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[14:31:19] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[14:31:36] <jkimball4> and here it is => openssl dgst -sha512 -binary | base64 -w 0[14:31:43] <jkimball4> binary output'll do it[14:33:54] <thirdwheel> probably more to the point... can iscsi only be used on unmounted volumes?[14:35:32] <jbit> yes, it needs to be unmounted[14:35:43] <jbit> zfs isn't a cluster filesystem[14:36:16] <thirdwheel> got it[14:36:16] <Stric> zfs the filesystem isn't used on a zvol, unless you create a pool on the volume..[14:38:37] *** kevinw_ is now known as kevinw[14:38:43] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[14:39:04] <thirdwheel> ok, i've got an iscsi target going, my next question would be getting ESXi 3.5u5 to recognise it, but that'd be a question for those guys[14:39:25] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[14:51:44] *** thirdwheel has quit IRC[14:53:31] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[15:04:20] *** hsp has quit IRC[15:09:56] *** Andrew3 has left #opensolaris[15:10:07] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[15:14:11] *** twisti has quit IRC[15:15:03] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[15:18:07] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:19:41] *** afrasi has joined #opensolaris[15:21:17] *** PhlowX has joined #opensolaris[15:21:25] *** lo3Viej has quit IRC[15:21:43] *** W0rmDrink has joined #opensolaris[15:26:00] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[15:28:23] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[15:28:28] *** milek has quit IRC[15:29:57] *** swa_work has quit IRC[15:32:39] *** Mick27 has joined #opensolaris[15:33:14] *** dmccollum has joined #opensolaris[15:33:37] <dmccollum> Hello. Does anyone know what happened to the 3/10 release?[15:34:07] <CosmicDJ> dmccollum: it's not out, yet[15:34:24] *** Thrae has quit IRC[15:35:18] <x58> dmccollum: see topic[15:35:56] <causality> his question isnt answered in the topic[15:37:15] *** Spencer_tt1 has quit IRC[15:37:56] <dmccollum> Sorry, I didn't read the topic. Still working on my first cup of coffee. :)[15:39:36] <dmccollum> Too bad, I'm getting in nine new SPARC servers and it would be awesome to build them with the 2010 release of Solaris. I assume they'll release the new version of Solaris and OS at the same time.[15:45:03] <RoyK> hm... zfs rename testpool/xvm/testvm testpool/xvm/disks <-- takes about a minute before failing with "dataset is busy" although fuser doesn't show any usage[15:45:17] <RoyK> the dataset is empty, btw[15:45:40] <dmccollum> are you in the directory[15:45:45] <RoyK> no[15:46:14] <Stric> nfs?[15:46:20] <RoyK> nope[15:46:45] <RoyK> trying to destroy it ... takes for ever[15:48:47] <RoyK> erm ... cannot destroy 'testpool/xvm/testvm': dataset is busy - fuser still doesn't show any open files or dirs there[15:48:52] <lblume> dmccollum: I doubt they still have enough resources to manage two releases inparallel.[15:49:21] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[15:49:26] <Beket> true, considering that they can barely handle 1 release :P[15:49:45] <dmccollum> Our Sun, I mean Oracle hardware rep says Oracle is hiring more developers and sales force.[15:50:11] <dmccollum> Crazy Larry says he wants to take out IBM now.[15:50:20] <lblume> After letting go quite a number. And it's not like you get to manage a new Solaris release the day you start.[15:51:20] <lblume> Yeah, Oracle wants to be like IBM in the 60's. They're only half a century late on the market, but hey.[15:51:26] <dmccollum> Anyone using build 134 with dedup as a backup target in a production environment here?[15:51:45] <jbit> i'm trying to setup an iSCSI target on my opensolaris machine, but everytime i try to use it on the initiator i get "Operation not permitted", any ideas?[15:51:51] <RoyK> dmccollum: just testing it - backups don't dedup very well[15:52:09] <lblume> People using any osol in production are looking for trouble :-)[15:52:24] <RoyK> dmccollum: I get far better dedup with low block size, but that eats cpu[15:52:28] <Beket> yeh, but for a desktop it's fine[15:52:41] <dmccollum> You mean on opensolaris? or dedup in general? Because backups are the sweetspot for dedup.[15:52:45] <lblume> Yep, for a desktop, it does a rather good job.[15:53:11] <RoyK> dmccollum: osol dedup with large blocks is not very nice for deduping[15:53:28] <RoyK> default blocksize of 128k is far too much for dedup to be efficient[15:53:44] *** ttys0 has joined #opensolaris[15:54:05] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[15:54:11] <dmccollum> I would use it as a short term backup target in Netbackup. I would backup to adv disk then duplicate to tape for offsite and then to dedup to keep for a week or two.[15:54:28] *** syamajala has quit IRC[15:54:36] *** PhlowX has quit IRC[15:55:30] <dmccollum> So if the box completely died, it wouldn't be a huge deal.[15:56:18] <RoyK> dmccollum: osol does realtime dedup[15:56:31] <RoyK> no support for offline dedup as of now[15:57:26] <RoyK> the block rewrite stuff is in the pipeline, I heard, but noone told me the length of that pipeline or where in it block rewrite resides :þ[15:57:53] *** gebi has quit IRC[15:58:09] <jbit> oh, i toally failed at specifying hte iqn :)[15:58:20] <jbit> now in theory i should be able to install windows the the iSCSI LUN :)[15:58:27] <dmccollum> I would use realtime dedup.[15:58:54] <dmccollum> Netbackup would make a copy of the data from the primary location to tape and the dedup location.[15:59:21] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC[16:01:38] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[16:04:20] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[16:04:45] <jbit> haha, windows7 installer found the iSCSI target and is installing to it, nice stuff :)[16:05:09] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[16:05:22] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[16:06:01] *** gm152 has quit IRC[16:06:38] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[16:07:15] *** dmccollum has quit IRC[16:09:47] <RoyK> hm. I get this when trying to install Ubuntu on XVM "ERROR Paravirtualized guests cannot install off cdrom media."[16:09:50] *** PhlowX has joined #opensolaris[16:10:17] <RoyK> I used the examples here http://wikis.sun.com/display/BigAdmin/xVM+short+cuts+for+noobs#xVMshortcutsfornoobs-Ubuntu8.10[16:10:20] *** CosmicDJ has joined #opensolaris[16:10:28] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[16:13:13] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[16:17:23] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:17:33] *** chendy has quit IRC[16:17:56] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[16:18:52] *** Mick27 has quit IRC[16:20:40] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[16:22:23] *** PhlowX has quit IRC[16:24:30] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[16:25:11] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[16:28:20] *** randw has quit IRC[16:28:23] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[16:30:08] <kokotier> any news on opensolaris from oracle?[16:33:50] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[16:36:28] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[16:39:02] *** radsy has quit IRC[16:45:03] *** sk0rd has joined #opensolaris[16:50:07] *** Tiggar has joined #opensolaris[16:50:23] *** lo3Viej has joined #opensolaris[16:50:43] *** gm152 has quit IRC[16:52:06] *** leito_ has quit IRC[16:52:22] *** xdccMule[5263UH] has quit IRC[16:54:41] *** leito_ has joined #opensolaris[16:56:19] <Tiggar> Hi There. Tried to create a zpool with raidz1 but got the following message: cannot create 'tank': one or more devices is currently unavailable[16:56:35] *** johe_ has quit IRC[16:56:39] <Tiggar> How can I check which process is accessing the drive[16:56:56] <Tiggar> or how do I know which device is unavailable[16:58:45] <derekv> Does gvfs come without nfs support? (eg, no "unix network" in Nautilus)[17:03:30] *** m4rku5 has joined #opensolaris[17:04:49] <InTheWings> Tiggar: search for dtrace + process + i/o[17:05:34] <InTheWings> Tiggar: for the aray status: man zpool[17:06:21] <Tiggar> InTheWings: I've some trouble with the disks I guess. I let them display with format but now one of them disappeared...[17:06:49] <Tiggar> Rebooted the system ... next try.[17:07:06] <InTheWings> Tiggar: /var/log for info on what happens with ur drives[17:07:36] <Tiggar> InTheWings: Which log I have to look at?[17:08:00] <InTheWings> syslog trget[17:10:08] <Tiggar> This is my device list: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1866399[17:10:47] *** RoyK has quit IRC[17:10:56] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[17:11:02] <Tiggar> And I tried that: zpool create tank raidz1 c9d0 c8d0 c4t1d0 c4t0d0[17:11:31] <Tiggar> With that error: "cannot create 'tank': I/O error"[17:11:58] <Tiggar> Any idea? That happened also the last 2 times I tried...[17:12:00] <Tiggar> :-([17:12:21] <Tiggar> And google couldn't help[17:12:39] <Stric> Try creating a tank for each single disk, and see when it fails?[17:12:57] <InTheWings> no solaris partition ?[17:13:40] <taemun> c9d0? c9t0d0?[17:13:49] <taemun> (sorry, is that a valid dsk name?)[17:13:54] <Tiggar> root@osol:~# zpool create tank3 c4t0d0[17:13:54] <Tiggar> cannot create 'tank3': one or more devices is currently unavailable[17:14:06] <Stric> taemun: see the pastebin 4 minutes ago[17:14:28] <taemun> ahh IDE[17:14:34] <Tiggar> InTheWings: Does this mean that this drive is broken?[17:14:39] <taemun> I've never seen an IDE interface under osol lol[17:14:44] <taemun> apologies[17:15:55] <InTheWings> Tiggar: try dd if=/dev/dsk/c4t0d0 of=/dev/null[17:16:11] <Tiggar> dd: opening `/dev/dsk/c4t0d0': I/O error[17:16:14] <Tiggar> Damn.[17:16:25] <InTheWings> the answer in in your logs then[17:17:00] <InTheWings> Are U sure you have 4 drives ?[17:17:03] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[17:17:09] <InTheWings> 2 are ATA plugged on a pci controller ?[17:17:34] <InTheWings> Are their master/slave switches set up correctly if not auto ?[17:17:53] <Tiggar> InTheWings: The logs don't say anything.[17:18:01] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[17:18:19] <Tiggar> ok wait[17:18:25] <Tiggar> there is something in dmesg[17:19:34] <Tiggar> That's what dmesg says: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1866414[17:20:26] <Tiggar> I have that mainboard: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=3343[17:21:13] <Tiggar> SATA ports are served by two different chips[17:23:07] <InTheWings> faulty driver. faulty bios. faulty board. choose[17:23:19] <derekv> oh crap, so,I guess this is the gnome way of handling things: gnome-vfs's nfs support was old and only went up to version 2, and had issues. so instead of fixing that, they bitched about it, and said "CIFS is better" and dropped it. that was about 7 years ago.[17:24:06] <derekv> so unless you enable it at compile time, gnome, a unix-like-os-based desktop enviroment, is only "friendly" with Microsoft based file shares.[17:24:45] <InTheWings> derekv: because you don't need gvfs[17:25:25] <derekv> How do you mean?[17:25:29] <InTheWings> derekv: man autofs[17:25:34] <derekv> ok.[17:25:46] *** DataStream has joined #opensolaris[17:27:11] <Tiggar> InTheWings: Thats no good outlook,[17:27:56] <InTheWings> Tiggar: Search mailing lists & bugzilla with the error string & chipset[17:31:02] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[17:32:38] <InTheWings> Tiggar: I don't remember of WD or any other brand making 1TB ATA drives.[17:33:11] *** tg has quit IRC[17:33:13] <InTheWings> Tiggar: Are U sure you're not using ATA compatibility mode & accessing 2 drives thru SATA & ATA[17:34:16] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[17:36:33] <Tiggar> InTheWings: Hm. I have 4 SATA Drives.[17:36:58] <nikolam> can I use autofs to automount ntfs disks with ntfs-3g ?[17:37:00] *** tg has quit IRC[17:37:04] *** |Inthewings| has joined #opensolaris[17:38:09] <Tiggar> InTheWings: Now I've set the bios switch for the sata controller from ahci to ahci/raid and two of 4 disks aren't recognized anymore[17:39:17] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[17:39:53] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[17:42:49] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[17:42:58] *** lo3Viej has quit IRC[17:48:42] *** afrasi has quit IRC[17:49:34] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[17:50:21] <lblume> osol doesn't do ahci/raid.[17:53:04] <Tiggar> lblume,InTheWings: Will change mainboard and disks.[17:54:27] <Tiggar> Disk will be change because of that: http://community.wdc.com/t5/Desktop/WD-1-5TB-Green-drives-Useful-as-door-stops/td-p/1217/page/2[17:54:34] <Tiggar> And that: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=121871&tstart=0[17:56:47] <nikolam> Tiggar, that biois thing is not raid. it is software-assisted option that use special windows drivers[17:56:53] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[17:57:41] <nikolam> zfs nave internal raid that is much mose sophisticated , faster, more secure, platform and architecture independed[17:58:13] <Tiggar> nikolam: Sure but I thought this would help the system to recognize all disks[17:58:24] <nikolam> e. g. you can use different disks with sparc/intel , othem mobo, whatever it will work[17:58:37] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[17:58:58] <nikolam> forget about faik raid, that is its name.[18:00:58] *** logic855 has quit IRC[18:01:09] *** cmbntr has joined #opensolaris[18:01:24] <lblume> Tiggar: Your error messages above looked like an hardware issue, not software. Cable/connector, something like that.[18:02:22] <Tiggar> lblume: I double checked all cables and connectors.[18:02:31] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[18:03:00] <Tiggar> lblume: But those error messages won't go away.[18:03:33] <lblume> Does it work with another OS?[18:05:07] <jbit> Tiggar: i personally think you should go back to your original config where you were getting hte "Transient data integrity error"s and try different sata cables[18:05:28] <jbit> or at least replace the sata cable on port0[18:06:14] <Tiggar> jbit: Thanks, I'll give it a try tomorrow. Maybe it solves the problem. Hope so.[18:06:36] <lblume> and move the cable and disk around to check if the error follows[18:06:41] <Tiggar> ... first I have to by a cable cause I have none around.[18:06:42] <jbit> since you're only getting errors on one port, it sounds like either bad cable, bad connectors or bad drive[18:06:58] <jbit> Tiggar: you could just transpose hte cable with another disk[18:07:04] <jbit> and see if hte error then appears on anotehr disk or not[18:07:11] <Tiggar> lblume: I moved the disks already around.[18:07:20] <Tiggar> Error remains.[18:07:45] <lblume> Always on the same port? Have you moved the cable too?[18:07:58] <nikolam> Tiggar, and your hardware remains[18:08:27] <nikolam> check out what controller, chipset that is and also set default bios settings, etc.[18:09:07] <Tiggar> I have moved the cable but it is always this device 0. c4t0d0[18:10:06] <lblume> Weird. Might be the m/b, then.[18:10:42] <lblume> Get a live CD from some other OS and have a look if it sees it properly.[18:14:27] *** mlh has quit IRC[18:14:59] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[18:15:48] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[18:15:50] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[18:16:02] *** logic is now known as logic855[18:18:53] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris[18:23:07] *** jpd1234 has joined #opensolaris[18:24:19] *** fitoor has joined #opensolaris[18:25:11] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[18:26:32] *** BircGuest-560904 has joined #opensolaris[18:26:46] *** BircGuest-560904 is now known as pcaddict[18:27:51] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[18:28:50] <fitoor> since last week , i am getting this message whenever i open mozilla-firefox[18:28:51] <fitoor> The bookmark and history system will not be functional because one of firefox's files is in use by another application. Some security software can cause this proble.[18:29:13] <fitoor> even back button is also not working well ..[18:29:24] <fitoor> plz tell any solution ...[18:30:01] <pcaddict> cany anyone throw out some ideas as to why, when i issue commands such as zfs destroy <pool>, smbadm join -w WORKGROUP, sharemgr show -vp, zpool destroy <pool>, etc, absolutely nothing happens. the cursor in terminal just moves to the next line and blink at me endlessly[18:30:31] <lblume> pcaddict: dedup bug, maybe?[18:31:52] *** ingenthr1 is now known as ingenthr[18:32:04] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:32:54] *** krzabr has joined #opensolaris[18:41:33] *** krzabr has left #opensolaris[18:41:39] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[18:41:41] <darki> hi[18:41:44] *** gothos has quit IRC[18:41:47] *** gothos has joined #opensolaris[18:41:48] <jamesd_laptop> hello[18:49:46] <pcaddict> running 2009.06, which from what i can tell, doesnt support dedup?[18:49:54] *** achester_ has joined #opensolaris[18:50:21] <bdrewery> pcaddict: yeah it's supported around 124 or 126[18:50:27] *** achester_ has left #opensolaris[18:50:40] *** lblume has quit IRC[18:50:55] *** blarg-arg has joined #opensolaris[18:51:34] *** fitoor has quit IRC[18:51:47] *** blarg-arg has quit IRC[18:52:17] <pcaddict> well what i find particularly odd is that my test install in vmware does not have the same problems i am having on a physical pc. wondering if maybe the nv_sata driver isnt working correctly or something[18:55:11] <tsoome> 2009.06 does not support dedup, its 11b and dedup was introduced in 128a[18:55:17] <tsoome> 111b*[18:57:23] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[19:04:37] *** e1kg has quit IRC[19:05:43] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[19:09:55] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[19:12:06] *** cmbntr has quit IRC[19:20:36] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[19:22:48] *** forquare has quit IRC[19:27:34] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[19:28:07] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[19:30:09] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:30:39] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:36:05] *** fr4g--- has quit IRC[19:38:05] *** fr4g--- has joined #opensolaris[19:42:38] *** agrajag has quit IRC[19:46:18] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[19:46:36] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[19:49:39] *** p3rror has quit IRC[19:49:42] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[19:51:17] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[19:54:16] *** mezgani has joined #opensolaris[19:55:11] *** fuku has quit IRC[19:58:36] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[20:00:47] *** sk0rd has quit IRC[20:01:16] *** fuku has quit IRC[20:01:22] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[20:04:03] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[20:04:56] *** sk0rd has joined #opensolaris[20:07:02] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[20:07:18] *** Tiggar has quit IRC[20:14:34] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[20:17:10] *** Tusk has quit IRC[20:17:26] *** mezgani has quit IRC[20:18:08] *** plavcik has quit IRC[20:19:27] *** dalibor has quit IRC[20:19:46] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[20:23:00] *** Tusk has joined #opensolaris[20:23:21] *** micols has quit IRC[20:29:44] *** micols has joined #opensolaris[20:34:05] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[20:35:34] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[20:38:53] *** yarihm has quit IRC[20:39:56] *** DataStream_ has joined #opensolaris[20:40:58] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[20:41:45] *** hsp has quit IRC[20:42:18] *** DataStream has quit IRC[20:43:59] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[20:47:03] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[20:48:07] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[20:50:44] *** twisti has quit IRC[20:51:23] *** leito_ has quit IRC[20:57:43] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[20:59:50] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[21:02:19] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[21:02:36] *** leito_ has joined #opensolaris[21:02:39] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[21:02:48] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[21:03:02] *** omry has joined #opensolaris[21:06:22] <omry> I have an existing raid10 pool (two mirrors of two disks), and I want to add another pair of disks. I tried "zpool add storage c10d0 c11d0" but got mismatched replication level: pool uses mirror and new vdev is disk[21:07:35] <omry> this is the full info: http://pastebin.ca/1866656 , can anyone help me? (would hate to mess up my pool)[21:07:59] <Alasdairrr> Try "zpool add storage mirror c10d0 c11d0"[21:08:49] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[21:09:40] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[21:10:44] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[21:11:03] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[21:11:21] <omry> ah, got it. zpool add storage mirror c10d0 c11d0[21:12:24] <Alasdairrr> On a different topic, we should break into Oracle's offices and burn them to the ground.[21:12:43] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[21:13:06] *** pcaddict has quit IRC[21:15:54] <tsoome> what good that would do?:P[21:17:47] <Alasdairrr> Who said anything about "doing good"? :P[21:17:52] *** forquare has quit IRC[21:19:08] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[21:19:54] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[21:21:33] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[21:21:37] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[21:21:47] <tsoome> well, its same like kicking fisherman after you got rotten fish from restaurant[21:21:57] *** eleusis has quit IRC[21:22:04] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[21:22:04] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[21:22:34] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[21:24:02] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[21:24:33] *** forquare has quit IRC[21:25:25] *** DataStream_ has quit IRC[21:25:55] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[21:28:17] *** NorrinRadd has quit IRC[21:30:43] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[21:33:55] *** robinbowes has joined #opensolaris[21:34:08] *** olivier_541 has joined #opensolaris[21:36:29] *** jub has quit IRC[21:36:57] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[21:36:57] <Alasdairrr> No, it's like kicking the drug dealers who fed you this awesome new drug they'd made, and then took away from you.[21:37:38] <jdoe> No, it's like [convoluted and bad analogy that nobody really cares about][21:37:40] <jdoe> :P[21:38:18] <Alasdairrr> :P[21:38:21] <tsoome> those oracle offices have no clue about solaris;)[21:38:52] *** palowoda has quit IRC[21:38:53] <Alasdairrr> I've been playing a bit too much Grand Theft Auto IV today, my solution to everything is "drive into them" or "shoot them in the head"[21:43:04] <Berny> .oO(try both)[21:43:39] *** projectmoon has left #opensolaris[21:43:46] *** olivier_541 has quit IRC[21:45:42] *** RoyK^ is now known as RoyK[21:46:48] *** jub has quit IRC[21:46:52] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[21:47:02] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[21:47:18] *** nibles has joined #opensolaris[21:49:15] *** omry has quit IRC[21:50:01] *** omry has joined #opensolaris[21:51:37] *** leito_ has quit IRC[21:53:41] *** Tiggar has joined #opensolaris[21:53:46] *** nibles has left #opensolaris[21:54:20] *** Tiggar has quit IRC[22:00:10] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[22:00:17] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[22:00:42] <mui> sigh[22:00:49] <mui> oracle foobar has hit teh slashdot[22:01:20] <mui> people should take it easy bit more[22:01:36] <Beket> link[22:02:24] *** leito_ has joined #opensolaris[22:02:42] <oninoshiko> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/04/17/2018203/Open-Community-vs-Open-Code[22:03:10] <oninoshiko> warning, like everthing on slashdot, it's worthless drivel[22:04:51] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[22:05:55] *** winstonw has quit IRC[22:13:29] <oninoshiko> also worth noting the writer of the article /. was linking to has to write " I should state: "The postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent IBM's positions, strategies or opinions."" so I'd take it with a piller of salt[22:13:40] <CodeWar> while folks seem to love pouring over open source / open community / fork_or_not_to_fork debates I fear we re missing the larger question. What is the target audience of OpenSolaris .. <a> enterprise <b> workstation <c> desktop/laptop/netbook[22:14:06] <CodeWar> I dont think Oracle leaves much doubt Solaris takes <a> so its <b> and <c> thats up for debate.[22:14:41] <Aria> Yeah. Though there's also a market Oracle ignores, which is <a.1> small business and small enterprise.[22:14:54] <Aria> And the DIY shops.[22:15:07] *** ahe has joined #opensolaris[22:15:32] <CodeWar> they own it they can choose to ignore anybody they wish ... question being where does the OSOL community see it fit .. is it really <a>?[22:15:41] <oninoshiko> and why shouldn't they? DIY doesn't make money.[22:15:51] <CodeWar> i agree[22:15:53] <oninoshiko> which means it's not really a market[22:16:01] <Aria> Yeah. Though DIY shops tend to contribute a bunch, and build stuff that spawns new markets.[22:16:22] <Aria> Like becoming a storage vendor, or all sorts of things. They grow up into enterprise vendors.[22:16:37] <oninoshiko> (note, that i happen to be in that section. so even without attention, it exists)[22:16:54] <Aria> (Yeah, I'm in it too. Small ISP/ISV)[22:17:26] <Aria> But B. If it's B and GUI components are separate consolidations, it keeps the DIY folks happy.[22:17:56] <CodeWar> the question is not "whether Oracle should stop ignoring area XYZ" rather as it stands today what area is OSOL targetting.... and for it to be successful in taht area how much push is requred from Oracle for example[22:17:58] <oninoshiko> realisticly, I'm still on SXCE, and migration is painful[22:18:25] <CodeWar> I can telll you OSOL has no future in <c> no matter how much I like it w/o seriousmoney and push from a compnay or a massive community ( that community is behind Linux folks not solaris so move on)[22:18:39] <Aria> (yeah.)[22:18:56] <oninoshiko> CodeWar: they consider it a part of the oracle software stack. you use it to run your huge DB.[22:19:14] *** ArcAngel has quit IRC[22:19:19] <Aria> (It'll always be secondary there. And the things that make people rave about Solaris don't have that much place on a netbook etc. ZFS isn't quite as revolutionary on a single-user small-storage system.)[22:19:25] <CodeWar> oninoshiko, you mean Solaris 10? thats fine thye own it and can make decisions[22:20:02] <oninoshiko> maintaining it as b/c is only for the purpose of developer convince.[22:20:10] <CodeWar> plllleeassse get over ZFS .. its doesnt mater for desktop/laptop ... Solaris I/O is frigging poor for a workstation or desktop environment ... the thing taht matters the most there is "PREEMPTION" and low latency for UI[22:20:15] *** ArcAngel has joined #opensolaris[22:20:46] <oninoshiko> CodeWar: just because you don't value your data, doesn't mean that applies to all of us[22:20:46] <CodeWar> Look at how much effort Apple / MS put for this .. you cant compete with that w/o serious money or strong community support[22:21:28] <oninoshiko> personally, i con CARE what anyone else uses for workstation/desktop usage.[22:21:32] <oninoshiko> dont*[22:22:03] <CodeWar> oninoshiko, fine but its not about you .. its about what audience does OSOL as a community target... once thats made up future decisions become easy[22:22:23] <CodeWar> and I totally respect the importance of ZFS but not over UI / power for netbooks/laptops[22:22:57] <oninoshiko> OSOL is the development base for Sol11. so the target is, at the end of the day, enterprise.[22:23:03] <mui> I've never actually used osol ui[22:23:16] <oninoshiko> mui it's just gnome[22:23:17] <CodeWar> I m not convinced OSOL is the base for Solaris 11 .... what from Oracle makes you believe that?[22:23:22] <mui> yes i know that atleast[22:23:32] <Jondice> I think selling raidz based workstations like the sun ultra 40 m2 could be pretty nice[22:23:48] <Jondice> its what i've been using for a while now - cheep, space-efficient, lots of storage[22:23:51] <mui> CodeWar: afaik latest s10 patches included kernel that was partly osol already[22:23:54] <Beket> CodeWar, who succers would beta test solaris 11 then ? :P[22:23:55] <mui> so its happening[22:24:05] <mui> and it's natural, as osol is dev platform for solaris[22:24:47] <CodeWar> so all assumptions are based on the fact that OSOL is the dev base for Solaris 11... because Solaris 11 is enterprise therefore OSOL must be enterprise (or close enough to OSOL).. nothign wrong but the assumptions must be made clear[22:25:25] <oninoshiko> SunOS pkg-test-1 5.11 snv_111b i86pc i386 i86pc looks an awful lot like 5.11 means "(planned) solaris 11" to me. not to mention a number of sun employees have stated that sol 11 will be based on osol[22:25:30] *** mancha has joined #opensolaris[22:25:39] *** dalibor has quit IRC[22:26:02] <CodeWar> it doesnt count shit what Sun employees say in pvt.. Oracle mgmt decision made in public is all that counts.... there is a thin differnce between "what we want to see" and "what is really out there"[22:26:05] <mancha> hi. is the opensolaris cd just an installer or does it contain a full base system?[22:26:10] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[22:26:45] <oninoshiko> the employees have been vary tight-lipped about most things. this was always quite open.[22:26:56] <oninoshiko> mancha: it is a liveCD[22:27:48] <oninoshiko> so it includes atleast gnone and some utils, although I don't recall if it's enough for day-to-day useage.[22:28:15] <CodeWar> mancha, its a full live system you can use it w/o installing though I dont know why one would[22:28:51] <mancha> Code, i meant if it required further dl's over the inet[22:29:03] <oninoshiko> if you'll excuse me, i need to put grass seed in my lawn's bald-spots[22:29:08] <CodeWar> mancha, yes it does[22:29:14] <mancha> want to try it on a netless machine so wanted to kno if the cd would be neough[22:29:15] <oninoshiko> mancha: yes[22:29:21] <mui> personally, I think its great idea to test os components like this, first in osol and then bringin them to solaris after they are seen fine[22:29:46] <oninoshiko> but if the CD boots, you can atlease know you system likely will once installed[22:29:54] <oninoshiko> bye-bye[22:30:09] <mancha> i see. thanks.[22:30:27] <mancha> is there a way to download an entire base system say a dvd image?[22:30:29] <CodeWar> frankly theres a lot of wishful thinking going on in the community (with due respect)[22:31:13] <mui> frankly there's so much bullshit going on for nothing I don't get it anymore[22:31:17] <mui> there are stopper bugs[22:31:28] <CodeWar> stopping what?[22:31:34] <Beket> the release :P[22:31:36] <mui> yes[22:31:49] <Beket> the dedup bug seems hard to tackle as it's described 'root caused'[22:31:50] <oninoshiko> there is alot of FUD going on (with due repect)[22:31:55] <CodeWar> you mean Sun employees are indulging in discussions as against fixing those bugs?[22:31:57] <Jondice> what are the bugs, and when did they appear ? (just curious)[22:32:08] <mui> and different company policy that oracle drives makes ppl more silent, and that was expected[22:32:14] <mancha> hrmm, is this the wrong time to get interesting in opensolaris? is it gonna die?[22:32:16] <mui> oracle is not known for being open to community[22:32:19] <Meths> mancha: The LiveCD is an entire base system. You only need extra downloads if you need extra packages.[22:32:22] <mui> this is all new for ex sun and oracle[22:32:32] <mui> and and as I've said before, one of most largest company migrations ever[22:32:50] <mui> in IT atleast that is[22:32:58] <CodeWar> mancha, get interested and/or spend time on something with a clear goal in mind .. if you re convinced Solaris/OSOL is that goal go for it[22:33:05] *** cosein has joined #opensolaris[22:33:09] *** cosein is now known as cosien[22:33:18] <mancha> CodeWar that sort of skirts my question, which was a good one, imho[22:33:37] <CodeWar> mancha, what question?[22:33:40] <cosien> so, i'm trying to shoot myself in the foot and solaris won't let me[22:34:10] <cosien> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1866763[22:34:11] <mancha> whether opensolaris' days are numbered...i am getting a sense this is an undercurrent to what you guys are chatting about[22:34:22] <cosien> trying to replace a device in a zpool[22:34:48] <CodeWar> is it a good time to invest in yahoo stocks? is it going to die? is it a good time to invest in netapp? frankly nobody really knows or those who know wont speak or cant speak ... but theres always a weather boy[22:35:10] <Beket> time will tell[22:35:23] <Beket> if osol dies, who cares? we will activate the contigency plan :P[22:35:49] <mancha> does it involve panda bears, some rubber tubing, and lots of WD-40?[22:36:23] <Stric> and duct tape[22:36:43] <mancha> :)[22:36:45] <Beket> :D[22:37:01] <mancha> ok, thanks for the chat folks - gonna see if i dl the cd later today[22:37:39] *** mancha has left #opensolaris[22:42:56] *** _buno_ has joined #opensolaris[22:43:31] *** cosien has quit IRC[22:49:26] *** _buno_ has quit IRC[22:49:59] *** _buno_ has joined #opensolaris[22:51:24] *** _buno_ has quit IRC[22:53:53] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[22:53:57] *** yarihm has quit IRC[22:55:44] *** RoyK has quit IRC[22:56:42] *** Zplay has joined #opensolaris[22:57:35] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:59:55] *** [1]kimc has quit IRC[23:00:23] *** Seeder has quit IRC[23:06:42] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[23:06:49] *** buno_ has joined #opensolaris[23:09:24] *** ahe has quit IRC[23:09:26] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[23:11:32] *** buno_ has quit IRC[23:13:34] *** yarihm has quit IRC[23:16:27] <sk0rd> osol is not the codebase for solaris 11[23:16:32] <sk0rd> sxde was[23:16:43] <sk0rd> and sun killed it, not oracle[23:16:44] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[23:16:55] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[23:17:34] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[23:19:46] *** niq has quit IRC[23:22:01] *** hnhn has quit IRC[23:29:40] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:30:29] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[23:35:25] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[23:35:59] <tomww> there is no solaris 11 up to today, and sxde and os2009.nn/os2009.10 are nearly identical. but this has been discussed enough elswhere[23:36:04] *** gebi has quit IRC[23:36:08] *** thistle_ has quit IRC[23:36:13] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[23:36:20] *** turtle has quit IRC[23:37:48] *** yalu has quit IRC[23:39:18] *** yalu has joined #opensolaris[23:39:35] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:39:52] *** turtle has joined #opensolaris[23:40:31] <forquare> I was under the impression that sxde was being developed into osol with major changes being put back to Solaris 10. The idea being that osol would "become" Solaris 11, hence the 5.11 in string outputted by `uname -r`[23:42:02] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[23:43:08] *** jthunder has quit IRC[23:43:26] *** eldee has joined #opensolaris[23:48:32] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[23:52:33] *** paddy has quit IRC[23:54:41] *** |Inthewings| has quit IRC[23:57:15] <CodeWar> OT: (heck really OT) I ve got one modem from comcast and I need high speed internet in both my living room and the other room (read wirelss is not an option). are there ISPs that provide solutions that dont involve me running massive cables through the house[23:59:07] <forquare> CodeWar: I don't know about high speeds (my internet is playing up and I can't see the spec page) but what about: http://www.homeplugshop.co.uk/