April 17, 2010 
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April 17, 2010 [00:02:00] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[00:02:29] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[00:04:24] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[00:05:31] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC[00:07:39] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[00:07:54] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[00:10:26] *** hnhn has quit IRC[00:10:29] *** milek has quit IRC[00:11:27] <awesome_pizza> lol I am a bsdfag[00:11:50] <awesome_pizza> pizza is good nevertheless[00:14:56] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[00:15:15] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[00:16:05] <alanc> I think the repo name enforcement requires running a newer version of the pkg.depotd than some of the external repos run, in order to query the repo name[00:17:59] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[00:19:32] *** Jondice has quit IRC[00:20:56] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[00:21:25] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[00:22:20] *** alanst has quit IRC[00:24:45] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[00:25:13] *** dunc has quit IRC[00:27:48] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:29:58] *** stewart__ has joined #opensolaris[00:30:58] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[00:31:51] *** stewart____ has joined #opensolaris[00:33:09] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:34:13] *** stewart__ has quit IRC[00:34:51] *** gjl has quit IRC[00:38:11] *** Tiggar has quit IRC[00:40:14] *** stewart____ is now known as stewart[00:45:55] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[00:48:08] *** logic855 has quit IRC[00:48:53] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[00:49:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[00:49:58] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[00:50:06] *** logic is now known as logic855[00:50:06] *** Animal-X_ has joined #opensolaris[00:53:09] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[00:54:58] <panos> hello[00:55:08] *** xapiens has quit IRC[00:55:18] <CIA-21> Sean Wilcox <Sean.Wilcox at Sun dot COM>: 6942563 manifestfiles property and value should be consistent with each other[00:56:10] *** stewart has quit IRC[00:59:08] *** Aria has quit IRC[01:00:00] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[01:00:30] *** Animal-X_ is now known as Animal-X[01:02:53] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[01:03:36] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[01:06:18] <Triskelios> alanc: for VAAPI support, it's sufficient to integrate the library interfaces since they're backend-independent, without waiting for Intel driver support. I'd be willing to write up an ARC proposal over the weekend[01:08:22] *** icarus902 has quit IRC[01:09:10] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[01:09:54] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[01:12:20] *** hunter has quit IRC[01:13:32] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[01:14:14] <alanc> Triskelios: okay - the waiting for the intel driver rev was mostly about niveditha being busy with that, and it having a fixed schedule to match the DRM/KMS changes on the kernel side, so not having time to do the work until after that[01:14:45] <alanc> I don't know that there's a technical dependency, just her selfish desire to sleep every now and then[01:16:38] *** cybernd has quit IRC[01:21:50] *** iFire` has quit IRC[01:25:37] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[01:27:13] *** hugo has quit IRC[01:27:44] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:27:56] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[01:31:09] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[01:34:21] *** jMCg has quit IRC[01:37:45] *** fhoahf38771 has joined #opensolaris[01:37:47] *** fhoahf38771 has left #opensolaris[01:38:03] *** whiteyOS has quit IRC[01:38:13] *** strawf_ is now known as strawf[01:38:27] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[01:43:41] *** awesome_pizza has quit IRC[01:45:37] *** snuff-home2 is now known as snuff-home[01:49:03] *** TommyTheKid has quit IRC[01:49:38] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[01:55:14] <CIA-21> Michael Corcoran <Michael.Corcoran at Sun dot COM>: 6322069 Unscalability of AH_LOCK_SIZE causes anonhash_lock contention on larger systems[01:56:36] *** stevel has quit IRC[01:58:40] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[01:58:52] *** ahl has joined #opensolaris[02:01:14] *** ahl has left #opensolaris[02:02:30] *** tosh has quit IRC[02:02:45] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[02:05:07] *** jparker has quit IRC[02:13:06] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[02:18:46] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[02:20:43] <hajma> Hi, what is the best way to get the current sources of time_slider (http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/jds/time-slider/) ? The bits at http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/sources/ are ancient and I failed to figure out how the source code is managed at opensolaris.org[02:23:09] <jamesd_laptop> use the /dev release, the latest time_slider should be part of it i believe[02:23:43] <jamesd_laptop> smrt, explain dev[02:23:43] <smrt> see "dev repository"[02:23:50] <jamesd_laptop> smrt, explain dev repository[02:23:50] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[02:24:31] <hajma> but I want the sources[02:25:12] *** gtirloni_ is now known as gtirloni[02:25:42] *** gtirloni is now known as Guest30798[02:25:56] <jamesd_laptop> find the person that is writing it and email them... there should possibly a source repository somewhere[02:26:18] *** Guest30798 is now known as gtirloni[02:26:19] *** rgm12 has joined #opensolaris[02:28:07] <hajma> well, the .hg/hgrc contains hg.opensolaris.org/hg/jds/time-slider, but my opensolaris.org account does not have the necessary permissions to hg pull that[02:28:08] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[02:28:57] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[02:30:25] <gtirloni> hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/jds/time-slider[02:30:28] <gtirloni> works fine from here[02:30:31] <gtirloni> is that what you need?[02:32:39] <hajma> ah, yes. I must've been doing something wrong. thanks![02:32:55] *** psychicist has quit IRC[02:36:22] *** rgm12 has left #opensolaris[02:37:18] *** lattera has quit IRC[02:37:22] *** eclark has quit IRC[02:39:13] *** alexc has joined #opensolaris[02:47:24] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[02:49:26] *** Odin- has quit IRC[02:50:01] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[02:50:34] *** winstonw has quit IRC[02:52:44] *** wdp has quit IRC[02:53:26] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[03:00:10] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[03:03:09] *** eleusis has quit IRC[03:03:15] *** kmays_ has joined #opensolaris[03:03:25] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[03:03:25] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[03:03:44] *** turtle has quit IRC[03:04:22] *** turtle has joined #opensolaris[03:06:40] *** kmays has quit IRC[03:06:54] *** kmays_ is now known as kmays[03:07:03] *** bubbva has quit IRC[03:08:44] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[03:13:45] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[03:15:48] *** LadySerena has joined #opensolaris[03:15:52] <LadySerena> Rawr, peeps![03:15:55] * LadySerena strikes a pose[03:16:46] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[03:17:17] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[03:19:06] *** dduvall has quit IRC[03:19:55] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[03:19:56] *** ma3x has quit IRC[03:23:04] <jamesd_laptop> hi LadySerena[03:23:13] <LadySerena> mew! =^_^=[03:23:35] *** jonshea_ has joined #opensolaris[03:25:28] *** jonshea has quit IRC[03:25:29] *** jonshea_ is now known as jonshea[03:26:54] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[03:27:05] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[03:27:15] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[03:27:48] *** tg has quit IRC[03:28:39] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[03:30:19] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[03:31:46] *** johe__ has joined #opensolaris[03:32:40] <andersenep_> anyone gotten fluxbox 1.1.1 to build on snv_134?[03:35:38] *** johe_ has quit IRC[03:38:20] *** tg has quit IRC[03:39:47] *** jonshea has quit IRC[03:42:27] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[03:44:22] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[03:53:45] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[04:09:41] *** eleusis has quit IRC[04:10:49] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[04:11:18] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[04:13:23] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[04:14:02] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[04:16:07] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[04:22:43] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[04:22:46] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[04:25:21] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[04:25:29] *** axisys has quit IRC[04:26:18] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[04:30:17] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[04:35:12] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[04:40:54] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[04:48:25] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[04:53:15] *** DerSaidi1 is now known as DerSaidin[04:53:45] *** DerSaidin has joined #opensolaris[04:55:28] *** fr4g--- has quit IRC[04:57:31] *** speedy87 has joined #opensolaris[04:57:46] *** p3rror has quit IRC[04:58:17] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[05:01:33] *** fr4g--- has joined #opensolaris[05:01:39] <speedy87> how can i get opensolaris on a usb drive to install in my laptop?[05:03:18] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[05:04:52] <jamesd_laptop> http://genunix.org/ v[05:18:38] *** Rezagrats has joined #opensolaris[05:21:36] *** dunc has quit IRC[05:22:19] <alanc> smrt: explain liveusb[05:22:19] <smrt> To make a Live USB version of OpenSolaris, you need a .usb image (genunix.org) and a way to put it on a USB drive. Usually, one uses http://src.opensolaris.org/source/raw/livemedia/livemedia/usbcopy (Solaris), http://chonan-en.blog.pid0.org/2009/11/how-to-create-opensolaris-live-usb.html (Unix/Mac), or http://devzone.sites.pid0.org/OpenSolaris/opensolaris-liveusb-creator (Win)[05:23:25] <speedy87> ok im looking into that[05:23:30] *** alexc has quit IRC[05:25:35] *** speedy87 has quit IRC[05:27:03] *** jthunder has quit IRC[05:30:21] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[05:32:31] *** extor has quit IRC[05:32:36] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[05:37:31] *** kmays has quit IRC[05:38:02] <Rezagrats> For some reason, when i try booting into the liveCD, i get to just after selecting the languages for my keyboard layout and desktop language but i get 'opensolaris console login: Apr 16 20:25:54 opensolaris in.routed[606]: route 0.0.0.0/8 --> 0.0.0.0 nexthop is not directly connected' any ideas?[05:40:13] <Rezagrats> Anyone ? ;_;[05:45:53] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[05:47:58] *** javashin_ has joined #opensolaris[05:48:57] *** \amethyst has quit IRC[05:50:48] *** javashin has quit IRC[05:54:30] *** alexc has joined #opensolaris[05:55:20] <alexc> I just upgraded to 134 and i am getting a lot of "Publisher differs from installed or specifed version" errors[05:55:22] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:56:09] *** javashin_ has quit IRC[05:56:55] <alexc> with every package on pkg[06:01:30] *** chendy has quit IRC[06:05:20] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[06:07:16] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[06:07:47] *** xapiens has quit IRC[06:13:16] *** alexc has quit IRC[06:16:10] <Rezagrats> For some reason, when i try booting into the liveCD, i get to just after selecting the languages for my keyboard layout and desktop language but i get 'opensolaris console login: Apr 16 20:25:54 opensolaris in.routed[606]: route 0.0.0.0/8 --> 0.0.0.0 nexthop is not directly connected' any ideas?[06:17:52] *** Odin- has quit IRC[06:19:09] *** _madmax__ has joined #opensolaris[06:19:42] *** _madmax__ has left #opensolaris[06:19:42] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[06:19:46] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[06:25:19] *** icarus902 has joined #opensolaris[06:25:27] <Rezagrats> 360+ people and no one knows...[06:25:42] *** eleusis has quit IRC[06:27:23] <jamesd_laptop> busted routed configuration on your network?[06:27:24] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[06:27:24] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[06:28:26] <Rezagrats> Jamesd_laptop, i don't know.[06:30:30] *** darrenb has quit IRC[06:33:08] *** RoyK has quit IRC[06:34:25] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[06:34:34] <LadySerena> I get that message on my laptop when it starts and no network is connected[06:34:49] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[06:36:15] <Rezagrats> LadySerena, i'm getting stuck at that message though. and during a boot up into a liveCD, too.[06:36:32] <LadySerena> ooo, oddness[06:37:01] <Rezagrats> ...right after i select the languages for keyboard and desktop.[06:37:22] <LadySerena> was that with or without a network connected to the machine?[06:38:18] <Rezagrats> The network is connected as far as i know.[06:38:24] <LadySerena> oddness[06:39:04] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[06:39:50] <Rezagrats> Though through a switch nonetheless.[06:40:02] <LadySerena> well that's normal[06:43:37] <Rezagrats> I think imma buy a different motherboard...[06:44:08] <Rezagrats> OpenSolaris isn't the first non-windows operating system that's refused to boot.[06:47:33] <swa_work> doubt the networking is holding it up, try booting verbose: append -kv -m verbose to bootline Rezagrats[06:48:39] <Rezagrats> Kernel$ ?[06:48:49] <Rezagrats> Or module$ ?[06:49:15] <swa_work> kernel[06:49:52] <Rezagrats> Just add '-kv -m verbose' or with 'append' in the beginning?[06:51:05] <swa_work> append= 'at the end of the Kernel$ line' -kv -m verbose[06:52:25] <Rezagrats> Booting now...[06:52:36] <swa_work> 111b is it?[06:52:41] <Rezagrats> Hm?[06:52:50] <swa_work> 2009.06[06:52:54] <Rezagrats> Yes.[06:54:33] <Rezagrats> Oh yay... something different- the bottom line is the same though.[06:55:14] <Rezagrats> Or... it's gonna do something else. :/[06:55:27] <swa_work> huh?[06:56:49] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[06:57:21] <Rezagrats> It did a load of 'opensolaris genunix: ' and 'opensolaris psuedo: '[06:57:26] *** Zauberpo1y has joined #opensolaris[06:58:20] <swa_work> don't suppose you have a serial connection to that box[06:59:11] *** Zauberpony has quit IRC[06:59:28] *** ozux has quit IRC[06:59:43] <Rezagrats> Usb keyboard/mouse, ethernet connection (gigabit), HDMI through an nvidia 9400GT and that's it.[07:01:19] <swa_work> you could try a more recent dev release from http://genunix.org[07:02:35] <Rezagrats> :\[07:02:39] <swa_work> google the make/model of the machine+opensolaris[07:02:59] <Rezagrats> I made the machine.[07:03:35] <swa_work> well at least you know who to blame[07:03:36] <swa_work> heh[07:03:41] <Rezagrats> It was originally a gaming computer but i downgraded the parts to a light [file] server/HTPC.[07:04:14] *** andersenep_ has quit IRC[07:05:09] <swa_work> I had issues w/ 2009.06 on a couple of laptops .. later releases performed better[07:05:32] <Rezagrats> And no net install version either. :\[07:05:40] <swa_work> sure there is[07:06:10] <Jondice> swa_work, same here - had a laptop where 2009.06 wouldn't boot but later releases do[07:06:30] <Rezagrats> What am i looking for in that link ?[07:07:10] <Rezagrats> Osol-dev-134-x86 ?[07:08:00] <swa_work> sure text-installer[07:08:22] <swa_work> if you want to see if it boots[07:08:50] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[07:08:51] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[07:08:52] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[07:09:13] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[07:09:26] <swa_work> yeah .. 2009.06 wasn't my pal Jondice[07:10:10] <Jondice> unfortunately, it appears my bios is super lame so I'm still having some issues with it (dell alienware)[07:10:41] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[07:11:53] <swa_work> the dell server bios aren't so hot either Jondice[07:12:13] <swa_work> well more that drac dreck[07:12:57] <Jondice> swa_work, are these the same servers that can be shipped with solaris installed?[07:13:53] <swa_work> dunno, we got them bare-metal, r710[07:15:13] <swa_work> the cisco UCS 5108 runs opensolaris nicely though[07:16:38] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[07:18:01] <Jondice> not being current on this stuff, I did not even know cisco sold servers[07:19:56] <swa_work> yeah .. it's very new .. blade/chassis and fabric interconnect[07:20:05] <ArcAngel> pomtidom[07:20:22] *** relling has quit IRC[07:21:23] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[07:28:51] *** ROKO__ has joined #opensolaris[07:31:07] *** KungFuJesus has quit IRC[07:36:19] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[07:38:23] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris[07:47:46] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[07:56:33] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[07:56:35] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:56:40] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:59:12] *** biant92 has quit IRC[08:00:59] *** javashin has quit IRC[08:03:50] *** ROKO__ has quit IRC[08:03:56] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[08:06:28] <Triskelios> Rezagrats: based on your messages it booted fine except for the X server[08:07:38] <Triskelios> Rezagrats: check the log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why that failed[08:08:27] *** gebi has quit IRC[08:08:38] *** NorrinRa1d has quit IRC[08:12:46] *** rMSUlGAnc has joined #opensolaris[08:17:07] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[08:17:46] *** p3rror has quit IRC[08:19:41] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[08:21:51] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[08:23:12] *** rMSUlGAnc has quit IRC[08:24:32] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[08:28:03] *** leito has quit IRC[08:30:13] <swa_work> later[08:30:21] *** swa_work has quit IRC[08:31:25] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[08:33:07] *** ROKO__ has joined #opensolaris[08:34:08] *** NorrinRadd has joined #opensolaris[08:34:16] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[08:40:03] *** leito has 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on my image deployment server[09:14:54] <lewellyn> gotta finish waiting for a deployment image to finish importing before i try that though[09:15:07] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[09:16:08] <rv-> importing is not for the faint of heart[09:16:20] <rv-> or the impatient ones, me being one[09:16:57] <lewellyn> well, one of my windows server images was taking way too long to install due to not being very optimized after adding a lot of drivers over time. so i'm regenerating it. and that is slow. but ok for the faint of heart ;)[09:17:16] <lewellyn> (as ok as deploying windows server via pxe is, anyhow)[09:17:19] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[09:17:27] <rv-> oh, I thought u were talking about ips based images[09:17:48] <lewellyn> no. i've given up on AI via the lan[09:18:01] <causality> nlite?[09:18:22] <lewellyn> causality: MDT + WDS[09:18:51] <lewellyn> at least jumpstart i can do via syslinux or pxegrub. can't figure out the magic for ai still.[09:18:53] <causality> copy that[09:20:26] <causality> i tihnk the last pxe deployment i did was openbsd onto a soekris net4501[09:21:06] <lewellyn> ooh. i should add some bsd images to my deployment server to make installing bsd into vbox easier, too[09:21:21] <lewellyn> causality: thanks for that :D[09:21:29] <rv-> lewellyn> going to the meeting on monday ?[09:21:33] <CodeWar> my desktop no longer seems to want to pick the wallpapers... all I see in dmesg is this "Apr 17 00:15:02 ht gnome-session[1054]: [ID 702911 daemon.warning] EggSMClient-WARNING: Desktop file '/usr/share/gnome/autostart/desktop-print-management-applet.desktop' has malformed Icon key 'print-manager.png'(should not include extension)"[09:21:46] <lewellyn> rv-: it's already that time of the month? wow. yeah, i plan to.[09:21:48] <Macer> smrt: explain zones[09:21:48] <smrt> Zones are the Solaris software-level system isolation tool. On Linux, the closest thing would be OpenVZ. On FreeBSD, the closest would be jail(8). Neither has quite the scope of zones. See also: brandz, sparse zones, http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Zones[09:22:10] <rv-> cool[09:22:18] <Macer> hm. can you run a different os in a zone?[09:22:20] <lewellyn> i missed last month[09:22:28] <lewellyn> smrt: explain brandz[09:22:29] <smrt> A great way to use zones to implement other operating systems. Currently, there are brands for Solaris 8 and 9 for SPARC and Linux for x86. See also: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz and zones.[09:22:36] <lewellyn> Macer: that is as close as you come[09:22:52] *** jthunder has quit IRC[09:22:59] <Macer> neat[09:23:07] <Macer> lewellyn: ever try it?[09:23:22] <lewellyn> yup. i try to keep an lx26 branded zone around[09:23:35] <lewellyn> i don't use them for much, but meh. they're low-overhead :)[09:23:42] <Macer> i want to try it out and ditch the virtualization[09:23:56] <Macer> if i can run another os without vbox that would be cool[09:24:00] <CodeWar> can one run gnome desktop out of a zone ?[09:24:07] <lewellyn> it's not a virtualized os. it just maps syscalls to solaris syscalls[09:24:23] <lewellyn> CodeWar: sure[09:24:33] <Macer> so it is closer to wine?[09:24:40] <Macer> :)[09:24:48] <Macer> like an interpreter?[09:25:10] <Macer> let me read. bbl[09:25:14] <lewellyn> no, wine's a reimplementation of another os. a branded zone will run another os, as much as it can.[09:25:17] <Macer> i want to try it out[09:25:23] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[09:25:29] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[09:25:41] <Macer> how well can it run fbsd?[09:25:43] <rv-> it's pretty simple[09:25:46] <Macer> and debian?[09:25:49] <lewellyn> Macer: it can't run bsd[09:25:56] <Macer> oh :-/[09:26:01] <lewellyn> no one's done the work for it[09:26:11] <Macer> so what can it run?[09:26:14] <lewellyn> i think debian's decently-well-supported now[09:26:15] <rv-> u gotta add s10 zones to smrt[09:26:17] <Macer> i should read up[09:26:22] <lewellyn> Macer: read the docs ;)[09:26:26] <Macer> bbiab ;)[09:26:33] <lewellyn> rv-: i would, except i've not researched them.[09:26:41] <lewellyn> are they in 2009.06? x86 and sparc?[09:27:06] <rv-> don't remember which build they went in[09:27:13] <rv-> and yes[09:27:15] <CodeWar> lewellyn, well I d reached as far as boot a zone and login to it headless didnt know one could start a gnome session in it too[09:27:28] <lewellyn> CodeWar: should be able to :)[09:27:41] <lewellyn> you'd have to use something like vnc to log into it though[09:28:26] <CodeWar> ssh X should work too I m hoping[09:28:35] <lewellyn> should, i'd suppose.[09:29:24] <Macer> only 323bit linux apps can run?[09:29:29] <Macer> whats up with that? :)[09:29:37] <Macer> er.. 32bit[09:30:01] <lewellyn> patches welcome ;)[09:30:02] <eleusis> woo, 323 bit[09:30:03] <eleusis> ;)[09:30:12] <vraa> i thought bits need to be in powers of 2?[09:30:13] <Macer> haha[09:30:18] <lewellyn> i think there's still people poking at lx64 zones in their free time[09:30:18] *** NorrinRadd has joined #opensolaris[09:30:27] *** Rezagrats has quit IRC[09:30:37] <Macer> vraa: no way. the extra bit is for parity[09:30:54] <eleusis> heh[09:30:55] <Macer> running raidz on the cpu cache[09:30:56] <vraa> oh so that's why it's (2^x) + 1? :D[09:31:08] <Macer> :)[09:31:25] <vraa> gotta love osol, always makimg sure my data is true :)[09:31:45] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[09:31:59] <lewellyn> not true. just consistent! ;)[09:32:29] <Macer> oh yeah. cpu level data redundancy[09:32:44] <vraa> isn't that why you can have more than 1 core process the data?[09:32:45] <CodeWar> know how theres this "Application -> System tools -> New login in a window " option? I might have shot myself in the foot by logging in the same user through this option .. now gnome desktop is messed up on restart[09:32:46] <Macer> making sure to stop bitrot at the source[09:33:07] <CodeWar> dmesg[09:33:19] <CodeWar> < wrong window >[09:33:31] <lewellyn> CodeWar: that should work[09:33:37] <lewellyn> (as should dmesg! ;) )[09:33:38] <Macer> i would really like to try out debian in a zone[09:33:52] *** dalibor has quit IRC[09:33:55] <Macer> brandz says ix supports rhel and centos :-/[09:34:08] <Macer> two distros i dont care much for[09:34:18] <Macer> sure wish it could work with fbsd[09:34:26] <rv-> there's documentation on how to extend brandz in the project page, if u're interested[09:34:29] <eleusis> is there a howto document about how to go about creating zones and running linux in them?[09:34:47] <eleusis> oh wow, Macer is asking the same question[09:34:52] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[09:35:02] *** umask has quit IRC[09:35:05] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[09:35:18] <tsoome> man zonecfg, read about create command[09:35:23] <lewellyn> eleusis: scroll up and see what smrt said about brandz :)[09:35:24] <rv-> u don't actually run linux, u can have N zones but only one kernel runs. the processes inside a branded zone will have their syscalls mapped to the native os'[09:35:25] <eleusis> ok[09:35:33] <eleusis> cool[09:35:47] <Macer> eluwell. i was going to try to run wine in linux in brandz in opensolaris[09:35:50] <lewellyn> yeah. brandz are a fake linux kernel :)[09:35:56] <Macer> just for giggles[09:35:56] <lewellyn> Macer: won't work still[09:36:13] <lewellyn> Macer: at least not the last time i tried[09:36:16] <eleusis> that sounds crazy[09:36:20] <lewellyn> there were still missing syscalls[09:36:32] <Macer> serious? :) not worth the effort then[09:36:34] <lewellyn> though i'm not sure i have poked at it since jbit's changes[09:42:58] *** santoroj has joined #opensolaris[09:44:44] <eleusis> is virt-manager related to zones/containers?[09:45:36] <lewellyn> i think it's related to xvm & xen, but i'm not sure[09:45:51] <eleusis> hmm[09:46:47] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[09:47:21] <eleusis> ah yep[09:47:22] <eleusis> http://blogs.sun.com/awenas/entry/sun_xvm_demo[09:48:40] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[09:53:53] *** vraa has quit IRC[10:01:44] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[10:10:20] *** bklang has quit IRC[10:16:19] *** MaceG1 has joined #opensolaris[10:16:29] <MaceG1> Ugh[10:16:44] <MaceG1> Seriously need to consider just getting that damn n900 I want[10:17:01] <MaceG1> This g1 is just horrible with the way it murders background apps[10:17:14] <causality> htc desire[10:17:30] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[10:17:32] <MaceG1> Naw. I want the n900 ;-)[10:17:48] <MaceG1> It's a beast.. plus.. it runs maemo[10:17:56] * causality has a nexus one[10:17:59] <MaceG1> I love maemo :)[10:18:16] <MaceG1> Nexus one is a google branded htc isn't it?[10:18:31] <causality> yes[10:18:41] <MaceG1> Amazing such an unknown company has become such a competitor in the market like htc has[10:18:51] <lewellyn> Macer: so you don't like our new overlord's mobile linux?[10:19:06] <MaceG1> New overlord?[10:19:08] <lewellyn> Macer: and htc has been making phones for like 15 years[10:19:10] <lewellyn> google[10:19:17] <causality> MaceG1 i've been using htc for almost 10 years[10:19:35] <MaceG1> Yeah.. but when people would say.. I'm going to get....[10:19:44] <MaceG1> Htc never really came to my mind ;)[10:19:47] <lewellyn> lg and htc used to make almost all of the "Sprint-manufactured" phones[10:20:13] <lewellyn> sprint would just not acknowledge who really made them :)[10:20:21] <MaceG1> I don't like google that much in general[10:20:27] <lewellyn> nor do i[10:20:29] <causality> and the same for carriers in europe too[10:20:33] <MaceG1> And android is a little bit disappointing[10:20:38] <lewellyn> i'm just waiting for a new good winmo 6.5 phone[10:20:43] <causality> lewellyn me too[10:20:46] <causality> i had the htc rose[10:20:54] <causality> almost perfectly executed[10:20:56] <lewellyn> i'd get a touch pro 2, but the price is outrageous still[10:20:57] <MaceG1> I want the n900[10:21:03] <MaceG1> I wish my n810 had a 3g modem[10:21:05] <palowoda> eleusis: The blog entry you mentioned about opensolaris or even solaris xvm isn't recommended any longer.[10:21:09] <MaceG1> I would have used that[10:21:24] <causality> lewellyn i sold my brand new upgrade HD2 to fund the nexus ;)[10:21:28] <causality> i dont like touch screen phones[10:21:34] <MaceG1> Haha[10:21:35] <causality> give me a candybar anyday[10:21:49] <MaceG1> I don't like things with no qwerty[10:21:50] <causality> the loudspeaker volume on my nexus has died recently[10:21:53] <causality> i imght have to rma it[10:22:00] <MaceG1> I could never have a phone without one[10:22:02] <causality> which is kinda awkward.[10:22:11] <MaceG1> I hate typing on screen[10:22:26] <causality> http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=196001&se=s4779[10:22:31] <causality> i may just buy this and rma my nexus in the background[10:23:00] <causality> i am slightly boggled though by the fact they took a nexus one, put buttons on it, but didnt put call/end buttons on it[10:24:05] *** biant92 has quit IRC[10:24:13] <causality> this is interesting http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=187467[10:24:39] <lewellyn> causality: i need a cdma/gsm phone with windows mobile 6.5. there aren't many options atm.[10:25:02] <causality> one of my hates about android right now is lac kof activesync[10:25:18] <lewellyn> i'd get a pre, but it doesn't seem to have good pinyin support, even third-party[10:26:18] <causality> i bought some 3rd party app to sync my phone to my outlook[10:26:21] <causality> but it's flakey[10:26:58] <lewellyn> hm. the touch pro 2 just dropped another $50... $300 is *almost* reasonable :P[10:27:38] <MaceG1> Wow[10:27:44] <MaceG1> Went from like 80s[10:27:48] <MaceG1> To 40s :)[10:28:00] <MaceG1> Have to love our weather here in chicago[10:28:06] <palowoda> I think we need an Iphone or Android dildo set to automatic vibrate. Just think of the sales.[10:28:22] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[10:28:31] *** jurikm has joined #opensolaris[10:29:01] <lewellyn> palowoda: they exist, i've heard... :([10:29:06] <MaceG1> Haha[10:29:17] <MaceG1> Look at the android mascot[10:29:26] <MaceG1> I can see that being a dildo[10:30:17] <MaceG1> I still get a kick out of the android aspire1 video where it had the android marketing all over it.. even inside on the kb and screen[10:30:28] <MaceG1> And the guy turns it on and xp home started[10:30:52] <MaceG1> :) I busted out laughing when I saw that.[10:33:54] <MaceG1> Hm ok. I think I can't take it anymore. I am going to buy an n900 tomorrow morning[10:34:18] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:36:24] * causality calls htc support[10:39:25] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[10:40:41] *** corretico has quit IRC[10:40:46] *** jurikm has left #opensolaris[10:41:07] * causality falis[10:41:12] * causality fails x2[10:48:21] <causality> 5 day turnaround on nexus one repair/replacement[10:48:33] <Spencer_tt> hmm can you turn a flash htcs and put androind on em[10:48:44] <causality> no[10:49:19] <Spencer_tt> oh well windows isn't that dominant on mobile devs no doubt[10:49:54] *** santoroj has quit IRC[10:50:05] <MaceG1> Can't put winmob on an android phone either huh?[10:50:14] <MaceG1> I've never used winmob tbh[10:50:16] <Spencer_tt> bet you can't[10:50:32] <Spencer_tt> I don't mind Symbian at all[10:50:51] <Spencer_tt> crack-berrys give me no joy[10:51:00] <Spencer_tt> at least so far.[10:51:05] *** eleusis has quit IRC[10:52:02] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[10:52:41] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[10:52:41] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[10:53:09] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:54:10] <MaceG1> Hahaha. A guy in another # said... "I just use a normal phone and whistle modem tones" hahaha[10:54:25] <Spencer_tt> :)[10:55:01] <Spencer_tt> can you restart x in opensolaris and get virtual consoles by reconfiguring some file or attribute.[10:55:14] <CIA-21> joostmnl at gmail dot com: 6936304 vr causes a panic when a stopped device is interrupted.[10:57:22] <palowoda> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+vconsole/[10:58:38] <rv-> CIA got the user wrong on that one[10:59:57] *** mariusz has quit IRC[11:00:38] <mrp> copy between two cifs shares goes via the computer its on?[11:00:45] <mrp> the shares are on the same server[11:02:16] <Spencer_tt> thanks got that one[11:03:06] <eleusis> palowoda: not recommended? why?[11:04:28] *** twisti has quit IRC[11:05:01] <lewellyn> rv-: did it? i haven't seen that hit onnv-notify yet[11:05:18] <palowoda> eleusis: Not recommended by Oracle, why? You tell me. Start reading the xen-discuss lists. http://opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=53 You will figure it out.[11:06:34] <eleusis> ...[11:06:37] <rv-> yep, check the changeset[11:06:37] *** RoyK has quit IRC[11:08:58] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:09:46] <lewellyn> eleusis: http://opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=466235#466235[11:10:52] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:11:02] <palowoda> The Oracle rep phone number is 1-8Dumb-Shit.[11:11:03] <lewellyn> rv-: waiting for opengrok to give it to me :P[11:12:09] <rv-> hmm.. I don't know how often src.os.org gets refreshed[11:14:26] <eleusis> right.. that thread doesn't really say anything other than point to the obvious internal reorganisations happening at Sun, following the Oracle acquisition..[11:15:11] <eleusis> aha http://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/2010/02/the_oracle_vm_product_line_wel.html[11:15:14] <lewellyn> rv-: surely it'll be refreshed by the time the history page refreshes. that's my only real beef with opengrok :([11:15:21] <lewellyn> eleusis: even that blog post is vague[11:15:29] <eleusis> yeah[11:15:46] <lewellyn> eleusis: that blog post doesn't say one way or the other which OS "Oracle VM Server" will be on at its next release[11:15:50] <palowoda> eleusis: But Oracle sales needs to know if your a customer. Get it?[11:16:04] <lewellyn> palowoda: that's why i linked that post :)[11:16:19] <lewellyn> smrt: explain future product direction[11:16:20] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about future product direction...[11:16:36] <rv-> heh[11:16:38] <palowoda> lewellyn: I know.[11:17:11] <palowoda> Remember Oracle sales people really need to understand you.[11:17:20] <lewellyn> smrt: learn future product direction=Most people here don't know what the future will be. The few who do probably can't tell you. The best way to influence it is to contact Oracle Sales and make sure they know that you're an interested customer. Remember: Oracle likes money.[11:17:56] <palowoda> It's all about Oracle. Not your business.[11:18:13] <lewellyn> palowoda: did what i taught smrt insinuate otherwise? ;)[11:18:20] <eleusis> it's all about the Oracle love in here[11:18:46] <lewellyn> eleusis: the reality is that oracle is still absorbing sun. if there's no interest in a product, don't expect it to survive.[11:19:16] <eleusis> as in, xvm will end up getting excised from osol?[11:19:35] <eleusis> i didn't think oracle had a say in that..[11:19:35] <palowoda> Man are you behind.[11:20:13] <eleusis> yeah, your snarky remarks aren't really helping either[11:20:37] <palowoda> Call the Dumb-Shit number than.[11:21:11] <lewellyn> eleusis: that blog post indicates it's a possibility that oracle/sun may not contribute anything else to that codebase[11:21:26] <lewellyn> eleusis: and i sure as hell don't see the community picking up the slack in the meantime[11:21:44] <eleusis> yeah, fair enough[11:22:15] <lewellyn> if your organization can't contribute code, put your money where your mouth is. oracle likes money :)[11:22:16] <palowoda> At least what lewellyn is saying it's not going to be integrated in the opensolaris base os.[11:22:56] <lewellyn> palowoda: no. i said that's a possibility. no one here who knows can say, if there's anyone who knows, what the future of Xen + OpenSolaris is.[11:23:18] <palowoda> Far and loathing.[11:23:28] <palowoda> Opps "Fear"[11:23:38] <lewellyn> while that blog post isn't promising, it's worded in such a way that allows oracle to still support opensolaris[11:23:39] <Spencer_tt> if oracle really loves money they should get into bed with ms[11:23:48] <Spencer_tt> like big time[11:23:57] <palowoda> They are. Next question.[11:24:01] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: you think there's no cooperation between microsoft and oracle?[11:24:14] <lewellyn> oh speaking of microsoft... need to check email. *sigh*[11:25:08] <Spencer_tt> well they can just get the code and stick it in ms products I bet someone is eyeing those snazzy solaris features[11:25:42] <Spencer_tt> if apple couldn't get zfs into OS X I bet ms can't.[11:26:23] <palowoda> And Oracle has embraced zfs for the db too.[11:27:10] <palowoda> Oracle is a hardware system company now in that order.[11:28:05] <palowoda> Actually Larry retired two months ago but nobody noticed. :)[11:28:23] <Spencer_tt> it's a good combo, oracle has always had more running on solaris.[11:28:53] <palowoda> That is why Oracle new X1 runs Linux too.[11:29:23] <palowoda> Wait remind me why the hardware runs Linux.[11:29:25] <Spencer_tt> Oracle enterprise linux[11:29:35] <lewellyn> they didn't own sun yet ;)[11:29:36] <Spencer_tt> please tell me :)[11:29:39] <Spencer_tt> lol[11:29:48] <Spencer_tt> no they didn't notice solaris[11:30:06] <Spencer_tt> it's like it's an extra of owning something -oh really :o[11:30:22] <palowoda> Oracle sell Linux on the UltraSparc too.[11:30:31] <palowoda> s/sell/sells[11:30:55] <Spencer_tt> that's good maybe some users will pick up Solaris on the way up..[11:31:45] <palowoda> Should have a commercial at this point and call your local Oracle sales rep.[11:32:26] <causality> u/clear[11:34:35] <causality> we unfortunately have oracle running on lunix, windows and solaris at work[11:34:47] <causality> a right hodge podge.[11:35:38] <palowoda> Sounds like your done buying.[11:36:21] <causality> fortunately oracle is only allowed with exception now, our std rdms is mssql[11:36:42] *** yalu has quit IRC[11:37:21] <Spencer_tt> well buying is done out of necessity even for companies logic is the best guide in most cases.[11:38:26] *** yalu has joined #opensolaris[11:38:40] <Spencer_tt> since many people make an organisation it's always feasible that some parts of a org use ms products - not a bad thing when you have clients need a mix[11:38:51] <lewellyn> sstallion: you around? :)[11:38:56] <Spencer_tt> it's not a bad thing at all.[11:39:53] <lewellyn> sstallion: i have an email in my drafts folder to send, and i have a quick question before i do so. :) (i'd've messaged, but i don't know which client you'll see first.)[11:46:13] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[11:47:56] <palowoda> causality: Like I said Oracle is a "Hardware Systems" company now. If they have no OEM agreement with MS and delivering a total system you can contact Oracle sales and they will help you.[11:52:35] <devians> hey, init 0 should poweroff a osol box yeah?[11:52:40] *** rv- has quit IRC[11:53:45] <datadigger> devians: init 5[11:54:05] <devians> hrm, see i want it to remove power as well[11:54:20] <palowoda> Actuall init 0 is go to firmware. Undefined with the x86 architecture.[11:55:04] <devians> oh ok, is there another way to do poweroff on x86?[11:55:11] <palowoda> shutdown?[11:55:22] <devians> isnt that just init 5?[11:55:33] <lewellyn> "poweroff"?[11:55:36] <datadigger> man -s 1M init[11:56:09] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[11:56:19] <palowoda> devians: You don't have a system in front of you to try?[11:56:32] <devians> not one thats turned on :P[11:56:41] <lewellyn> "The poweroff utility has the machine remove power, if possible."[11:56:49] <lewellyn> that sure sounds like what is being asked for[11:56:57] <devians> fair enough, thanks[11:57:00] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[11:57:08] <palowoda> Some bios settings can restart it though.[11:57:19] *** xapiens has quit IRC[11:57:19] <causality> palowoda: i get the grunts to do the buying[11:57:42] *** ikonia has joined #opensolaris[11:57:42] <devians> man the psu in this machine must have some good caps in it. 10sec before power loss if i flick the switch on it.[11:58:16] <eleusis> surely that can't be too healthy for it anyway :P[11:58:19] <causality> devians highly unlikely[11:58:30] <causality> the cap would be larger than the psu[11:58:40] <palowoda> causality: Meke the grunts grunt harder. Nobody important really cares.[11:58:47] <palowoda> s/Meke/Make[11:58:54] <devians> hey, i flick the switch on it and the mobo retains its various 'i have power' leds for about 10 sec[11:59:07] <causality> devians probably an intelligent power switch[11:59:12] <devians> maybe so[11:59:18] <causality> you tell it to power off, it does so when it wants to[11:59:21] <lewellyn> devians: you're aware that the front-panel power switch is an ATX power switch, right?[11:59:30] <devians> talking about the power switch on the psu[11:59:34] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[11:59:42] <lewellyn> or are you meaning "when i pull the plug out of the wall"?[11:59:48] <eleusis> did the OS keep running and the disks spinning for 10 seconds?[11:59:50] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[11:59:54] <causality> yeah, pulling the plug out would be a fair test :)[12:00:05] <palowoda> You got big caps in your PS.[12:00:22] <causality> more like a flux capacitor[12:00:30] <devians> ... no, im talking about an off machine that still has power, flicking the switch on the psu to remove power[12:00:45] <eleusis> gigaflux[12:02:26] <palowoda> Note that power leds are kind of a useless metric to identify power.[12:02:31] <lewellyn> devians: pull the plug.[12:07:07] <palowoda> Hmm build 139 has some interesting ACL change: http://static.opensolaris.org/on/flagdays/pages/20100414134751.html[12:08:00] <palowoda> Explained in: http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/029/mail[12:10:17] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:11:48] <lewellyn> hm. the more interesting bit is what didn't make the flag day[12:11:51] <lewellyn> aclmode goes away[12:12:30] <lewellyn> (in such a way that mimics how i threw in the towel on may datasets, even)[12:15:58] <mui> hmm[12:16:13] <mui> if one rotates fm-logs, say fmadm rotate errlog and fltlog[12:16:20] <mui> how fmdump -ev output gets rotated[12:16:30] <mui> eg. if I don't really want to see all the older entries[12:18:00] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[12:19:24] *** javashin has quit IRC[12:19:56] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[12:23:16] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[12:23:55] *** pettson has joined #opensolaris[12:27:17] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[12:30:48] <jaywalk> ok, ill be going through tonight ;)[12:30:50] <jaywalk> omw to brussels, swapping trains in köln :)[12:34:44] <mrp> for some reason i change a users passwd with passwd as root but i still cant get that user to login via smb[12:34:48] <mrp> :o[12:34:50] <mrp> share[12:35:06] <mrp> Apr 17 18:31:40 zoot smbd[474]: [ID 653746 daemon.notice] SmbLogon[CARROT\kathy]: WRONG_PASSWORD[12:35:11] <mrp> any suggestions?[12:35:24] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[12:38:18] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[12:39:02] <palowoda> man smbpasswd[12:39:24] <jbit> palowoda: that's for samba[12:39:40] <palowoda> Oh what is smb than?[12:39:53] <jbit> server message block, the protocol[12:40:08] <jbit> samba is one open source implementation, solaris has its own though[12:40:32] <lewellyn> smbd is samba, no?[12:40:47] <jbit> lewellyn: hrm, actually ou're right :)[12:41:07] <lewellyn> which makes palowoda right for once ;)[12:41:22] <jbit> is there any advantage to using samba on solaris?[12:41:31] <palowoda> A blind chicken can always find a kernel of corn.[12:41:42] <ewdafa> hahah[12:42:17] <lewellyn> jbit: it can traverse datasets[12:42:25] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:42:25] <jbit> lewellyn: true enough[12:43:06] <palowoda> If you want to find out about cifs (opensolaris version of samba) their are projects on the opensolaris.org site the describe the kernel implementation of it.[12:43:14] <lewellyn> smrt: explain cifs[12:43:15] <smrt> File sharing protocol commonly used on Windows. OpenSolaris includes two cifs servers, one builtin to the kernel, and the samba userspace daemon. (See also: cifs server, samba)[12:43:19] <lewellyn> smrt: explain cifs server[12:43:20] <smrt> OpenSolaris has a new CIFS (Windows file sharing in SMB) server in the kernel. Good resources for it include http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/SSMBAG/troubleshooting.html and http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/CIFS_Service_Troubleshooting . The CIFS provides better performance and easier administration for CIFS than Samba but Samba provides other SMB services (See also: samba)[12:43:23] <lewellyn> smrt: explain samba[12:43:24] <smrt> Samba is a software package for SMB/CIFS commonly used on non-Windows systems. OpenSolaris also has a new CIFS server in the kernel which can offer better performance and easier administration, at the expense of some features being implemented differently. If you need Samba try http://baitisj.blogspot.com/2008/07/quick-notes-on-enabling-samba-in.html (See also: cifs server)[12:43:33] <lewellyn> mrp: reading materials :D[12:44:01] <lewellyn> jbit: smrt has a point: "other SMB services"[12:44:31] <lewellyn> e.g. you can't use solaris cifs as a domain controller, it doesn't do netbios, etc.[12:44:46] <lewellyn> i've not tested that it even can handle wins properly yet[12:46:23] <palowoda> And for 49.95 Oracle will have cifs implemented in the database too. :)[12:46:41] <lewellyn> only $39.95 if you want NFSv4 ;)[12:47:08] <palowoda> 29.95 if you need ext3 support.[12:47:34] <lewellyn> zfs will be "free"[12:47:52] *** snuff-home has joined #opensolaris[12:48:23] <tsoome> hm, teasing people again, eh?[12:48:26] <palowoda> But you need an Unbreakable Linux support contract. Just in case you break it.[12:48:43] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[12:48:59] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[12:49:10] <tsoome> unbreakable linux sounds like non-sticky water....[12:50:35] *** MaceG1 has quit IRC[12:51:18] *** RoyK has quit IRC[12:51:42] <lewellyn> tsoome: or light heavy water?[12:51:52] <tsoome> :D[12:52:07] * lewellyn finishes polishing off Holy Grail 1.0[12:52:14] <lewellyn> people keep asking me for it![12:54:19] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[12:54:39] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[12:55:03] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[12:56:30] *** chendy has quit IRC[12:56:42] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[12:57:14] *** eleusis has quit IRC[12:57:42] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[13:02:01] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[13:03:22] *** chendy has quit IRC[13:03:36] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[13:07:38] <mrp> lewellyn: all my other logins work fine its just this one.[13:09:40] *** tg has quit IRC[13:09:51] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[13:10:57] *** tsoome has quit IRC[13:13:58] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[13:17:04] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[13:17:25] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[13:18:04] <lewellyn> mrp: it, however, is a samba issue (at least without any errors to the contrary). as few of us here still use samba, we can't really help much with just the message you provided[13:30:18] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[13:30:24] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[13:32:16] *** chendy has quit IRC[13:33:20] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[13:33:33] <mrp> im not running samba[13:33:44] <mrp> just standard cifs[13:33:52] <lewellyn> 03:40 mrp: Apr 17 18:31:40 zoot smbd[474]: [ID 653746 daemon.notice] SmbLogon[CARROT\kathy]: WRONG_PASSWORD[13:34:03] <lewellyn> smbd was part of samba, i thought[13:34:12] <mrp> nah[13:34:27] * lewellyn sshes into an opensolaris box[13:35:08] <lewellyn> oh so you're right[13:35:20] <jbit> which means i was right earlier \o/[13:35:30] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[13:35:31] <lewellyn> which means palowoda was wrong[13:35:47] <jbit> order is restored to teh world[13:36:10] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[13:36:16] <lewellyn> mrp: did the user account get locked due to expiration? ;)[13:36:21] <lewellyn> if so, unlock the account[13:36:24] <jbit> although now i'm worried about blind chickens starving to death[13:36:37] * lewellyn finds some raccoons to pit them against[13:36:39] <mrp> lewellyn: ooo probably :D[13:36:41] <lewellyn> it's a fight to the death![13:36:51] <mrp> lewellyn: how i do it :p[13:36:51] <mrp> ?[13:37:04] <lewellyn> man usermod[13:37:07] * lewellyn already logged out ;)[13:37:57] *** chendy has quit IRC[13:38:07] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[13:38:42] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[13:41:02] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[13:41:11] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[13:42:31] <gnut> hi all[13:42:32] *** chendy has quit IRC[13:42:33] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[13:42:56] <gnut> is there any way to get the display to use a different driver (one that can be power managed) besides tvgatext?[13:43:07] <gnut> s/tvgatext/vgatext/[13:46:47] *** rmorse has joined #opensolaris[13:47:48] *** lo3Viej has joined #opensolaris[13:48:22] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[13:50:17] *** chendy has quit IRC[13:50:23] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[13:57:45] *** afrasi has joined #opensolaris[13:59:12] *** chendy has quit IRC[13:59:50] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[14:05:13] *** forquare has quit IRC[14:08:17] *** javashin has quit IRC[14:11:31] *** gnut has quit IRC[14:15:31] <devians> whats the best way to move everything in one zfs filesystem to another? can i do something smart with snapshots or should i just rsync?[14:15:49] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[14:16:04] <taemun> zfs send | zfs recv?[14:16:11] <taemun> best is a subjective term[14:16:23] <mui> yes[14:16:54] <InTheWings> to another : zfs ? filesystem ?[14:16:58] <mui> or a file[14:17:03] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[14:17:12] <devians> well i want to create a new filesystem with different settings, and copy the files across[14:18:21] <InTheWings> .... a new ZFS ? filesystem[14:18:29] <lewellyn> InTheWings: dataset[14:18:50] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[14:18:59] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[14:19:34] *** javashin has quit IRC[14:20:29] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[14:27:13] * |woody| waits for the first people to ask about: PSARC/2010/134 :)[14:29:06] <lewellyn> that'd involve me actually looking at the psarc cases[14:30:19] *** omry_ has joined #opensolaris[14:30:51] <|woody|> Auto-Registration for Solaris and it's a Unpublished Case. so lots of room for speculation[14:31:59] <lewellyn> heh. watch it be totally benign.[14:32:21] <lewellyn> watch it be security-related, so it can't be published ;)[14:33:21] *** omry has quit IRC[14:39:12] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[14:40:03] *** wdp has quit IRC[14:45:34] *** dalibor has quit IRC[14:49:45] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[14:50:51] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[14:53:21] *** chendy has quit IRC[14:55:13] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[14:55:54] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[14:57:14] *** chendy_ has quit IRC[15:00:12] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[15:00:36] <DerSaidin> is there some tool or compiler option to recursively look through given header file(s) for the definition of a symbol?[15:01:14] *** twilling has quit IRC[15:02:44] <trygvis> I that's where stuff like ctags is used[15:03:01] <trygvis> +think[15:03:20] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[15:03:32] *** javashin has quit IRC[15:03:35] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[15:11:17] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[15:12:42] <lewellyn> or opengrok... ;)[15:16:22] <lewellyn> wow. mozilla finally blocked the java deployment toolkit exploit[15:16:49] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[15:17:02] * lewellyn doesn't understand why it took a week to decide on a regex :P[15:17:05] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[15:17:07] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[15:18:50] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[15:20:26] *** ma3x_ has quit IRC[15:21:59] <DerSaidin> ctags seems be be along the lines of what I'd like, but I was hoping it would support #include and #define[15:22:13] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[15:25:24] <lewellyn> DerSaidin: opengrok? 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Should I bond a vnic to the WAN-side-nic or use the wan-side-nic as a dedicated physical NIC for the zone instead, thanks[18:29:15] * lewellyn hands trochej lots of coffee[18:29:43] <CosmicDJ> all you can drink[18:31:53] *** lattera has quit IRC[18:33:13] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[18:33:15] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain beer[18:33:16] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about beer...[18:33:19] <Spencer_tt> me too[18:34:20] *** communicator has quit IRC[18:36:58] <lewellyn> smrt isn't version 21 yet, so isn't legal to drink :)[18:37:41] * RoyK doesn't live in the US, so ok[18:37:46] *** afrasi has quit IRC[18:38:59] *** p3rror has quit IRC[18:40:13] *** stewart has quit IRC[18:43:57] <ku0n> hello[18:44:37] <Spencer_tt> gosh some people think I likes beer, they even gets me beer the first moment I touch or lay my hands on gin they like no no no - I thought sambuca was dangerous for crying out loud - I can start a fire right.[18:45:24] <ku0n> I have an ssh service with chroot in place, I'd like to limit the number of session to 1 per user[18:45:41] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain ssh[18:45:41] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about ssh...[18:45:56] <Spencer_tt> you need to edit your sshd.conf file[18:46:13] <ku0n> I read the whole man page of sshd_config without finding any option for that[18:47:17] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[18:47:29] <Triskelios> ku0n: this is a policy that that you probably need to specify through PAM[18:47:42] <Spencer_tt> /etc/ssh/ssh_config or /etc/ssh/sshd_config[18:47:49] <Spencer_tt> that can help to[18:47:53] <Triskelios> Spencer_tt: no[18:47:57] <Spencer_tt> change the setting?[18:48:00] *** omry has quit IRC[18:48:04] *** krzabr has joined #opensolaris[18:48:14] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: which setting? ;)[18:48:23] <ku0n> yea, which one?[18:48:31] <Spencer_tt> well depends on what his using :)[18:48:34] <Triskelios> Spencer_tt: you're assuming it has anything to do with sshd[18:48:41] <Spencer_tt> exactly[18:48:49] <Spencer_tt> I might be at fault[18:49:02] * Spencer_tt checks[18:49:04] *** omry has joined #opensolaris[18:49:05] <lewellyn> i think Triskelios is right about pam, but i've never needed to think about limiting concurrent logins[18:49:28] <ku0n> Spencer_tt: no you are right, I'd like to limit the number of ssh concurent login per user to one, but I didn't find any setting for that, useing pam might work[18:49:51] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[18:49:56] <ku0n> lewellyn: it's an rsync only service, and to maintain data integrity I want to limit the number of ssh/rsync session to 1 per user[18:50:16] <Spencer_tt> in sshd_config you have this variable #MaxSessions[18:50:22] <ku0n> it's not that[18:50:27] <Triskelios> ku0n: rsync uses locking, possibly even byte-range locking...[18:50:38] <ku0n> maxsession is for unauthenticated session[18:51:20] <Spencer_tt> then what exactly would you recommend for him lewellyn?[18:52:18] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i'm reading docs ;)[18:52:24] *** pingi has joined #opensolaris[18:52:27] <pingi> Hi all, you are my friends?[18:52:38] <ku0n> Triskelios: I know but it's not only the rsync service by itself, but it's because we have a complete infrastructure that is plugged into it (web based file browser...)[18:52:47] *** pingi is now known as Guest10197[18:53:03] <ku0n> and I was asked by the dev team to limit the number of session to 1 if possible[18:53:37] <jamesd_laptop> pingi only if you brought a keg of denmark's best beer[18:53:46] *** icarus902 has quit IRC[18:54:38] *** Guest10197 is now known as gplQuestions[18:55:04] <ku0n> but please, don't spend too much time on it, I'll just write a wrapper around rsync if needed[18:56:43] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/darren/entry/limiting_users_to_one_login[18:57:11] <ku0n> thank you:)[18:57:16] <lewellyn> gplQuestions: please. ask your question[18:57:34] <gplQuestions> lewellyn: If i'm drunk and i manage to sell you my idea, must u pay for it?[18:57:39] <Triskelios> ku0n: seems like pam_limits can do it; don't know if that is compatible with Solaris PAM, however[18:57:55] *** gplQuestions is now known as peturIngiEgilsso[18:58:00] <lewellyn> gplQuestions: ask your question, please[18:58:11] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: thanks. i was just figuring out how to do that with projects ;)[18:58:42] *** omry has quit IRC[18:58:43] <Triskelios> didn't know projects had task limits, cool[18:59:08] <lewellyn> Triskelios: yeah. when i read the pam man page, i realized that i had seen something about it with projects and oracle a while back[18:59:36] <lewellyn> it'll be kind of nice if/when docs.sun.com ends up as part of the general oracle documentation sets[18:59:47] <Spencer_tt> maybe a router/firewall can enforce a restriction on remote logins?[18:59:47] <lewellyn> i probably would have found it quicker ;)[18:59:54] *** omry has joined #opensolaris[19:00:04] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: how does the router know what the payload of the ssh session is?[19:01:15] <Spencer_tt> payload ni, port no maybe and number of connections via a specific port - still I'm no network genie :)[19:01:19] <Triskelios> that's like 3 layers of abstraction below the actual problem. sshd isn't even the right layer[19:01:21] <Spencer_tt> I can't say.[19:01:45] <lewellyn> smrt: learn limit concurrent logins=A great way of restricting to one (or more) simultaneous login is to use projects. Darren Moffat wrote a great blog entry entitled "Limiting users to one login session (no coding required)" at http://blogs.sun.com/darren/entry/limiting_users_to_one_login . See also: projects[19:01:55] <lewellyn> peturIngiEgilsso: is there anything we can help you with?[19:02:22] *** Test33 has joined #opensolaris[19:02:42] <peturIngiEgilsso> lewellyn: no im sorry, i am drinking a bit too much martini cuz i'm lonely as my girlfriend is at work...[19:03:04] <lewellyn> peturIngiEgilsso: perhaps it's better to disconnect from irc before you say or do things you may regret :)[19:03:44] <CosmicDJ> and then disconnect from your martini before you say things to your gf you may regret..[19:04:44] *** RoyK has quit IRC[19:05:38] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[19:05:39] *** Spencer_tt is now known as Spencer_tt1[19:05:43] *** Spencer_tt1 is now known as Spencer_tt[19:05:58] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[19:07:36] <peturIngiEgilsso> no i wont[19:07:39] <peturIngiEgilsso> i owuld like to konw[19:07:52] <Spencer_tt> access denied?[19:08:02] * lewellyn denies Spencer_tt's access[19:08:02] <peturIngiEgilsso> if opensolaris is nice desktop os for a BSc CS student.. who wants to learn java on a stable platform...[19:08:05] *** Test33 has left #opensolaris[19:08:15] <lewellyn> peturIngiEgilsso: one way for you to find out. :)[19:08:28] <Spencer_tt> peturIngiEgilsso: try it at 127.0.0.1[19:08:29] <Spencer_tt> :D[19:08:35] <peturIngiEgilsso> ;)[19:08:35] <lewellyn> keep in mind, of course, that many enterprises only deploy java to solaris servers, and that sun created both solaris and java.[19:08:37] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[19:08:38] <Spencer_tt> don't tell anyone :p[19:08:59] <peturIngiEgilsso> I heear that oracle are going to stop supportging solaris.. unless it's on "hardware sold by them" ::S is this true :S ?[19:09:09] <tsoome> opensolaris, while it can be quite stable, is still beta quality os[19:09:10] <lewellyn> the world only can speculate right now.[19:09:15] <lewellyn> contact your oracle sales rep.[19:09:31] <Spencer_tt> or get a support contract.[19:09:31] <peturIngiEgilsso> lewellyn: I won't speak the same language as himl.. im living in Danmark ans my tounge is icelandic[19:09:34] <peturIngiEgilsso> Volcano power =D[19:09:38] <Spencer_tt> lol[19:09:54] <lewellyn> surely oracle has offices in .dk[19:09:57] <peturIngiEgilsso> Do you think oracle would really spend time on a curious student ( a possible future customer ) ?[19:10:04] <lewellyn> oh they do![19:10:09] <Spencer_tt> peturIngiEgilsso: I believe in umm.[19:10:19] <Spencer_tt> I'll get back to you.[19:10:20] <lewellyn> as i say constantly, oracle likes money.[19:10:32] <lewellyn> http://www.oracle.com/global/dk/index.html[19:10:37] <tsoome> well. there is no oracle. or sun. or ibm. or hp[19:10:40] <lewellyn> there you go. oracle in denmark.[19:10:50] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:10:52] <tsoome> there are people you are talking to[19:11:10] <Spencer_tt> very strange people.[19:11:12] <tomww> you might only once try saying to your gf that she likes money.[19:11:27] <Spencer_tt> I agree.[19:11:33] * lewellyn tells his gf often that he likes money :)[19:12:07] * Spencer_tt knows his dog likes premium dog food.[19:12:15] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[19:14:32] *** winstonw_ has joined #opensolaris[19:18:01] *** winstonw has quit IRC[19:19:00] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[19:23:45] *** winstonw_ is now known as winstonw[19:24:29] <ROKO__> I have a problem with the driver of the audio in virtualbox opensolaris there a way to fix[19:27:23] <Triskelios> ROKO__: if you are running osol in vbox, you should update to the current /dev build[19:27:46] *** bacon000 has joined #opensolaris[19:29:11] <ROKO__> Triskelios[19:29:13] <ROKO__> how ?[19:29:19] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[19:29:29] <Triskelios> smrt: explain dev repository[19:29:29] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[19:30:24] <bacon000> I have 4 drives which contain a RAIDZ filesystem. I'm unsure of which order the drives were originally connected in. I don't know anything else about the filesystem. Can this be remounted on a different opensolaris system?[19:32:56] <tsoome> ofc it can[19:33:00] <Triskelios> bacon000: yes, you can import the pool on any system. it doesn't matter how the drives are connected[19:33:18] <tsoome> and order is not important as long as you have all disks[19:33:29] <bacon000> best news ever. thx.[19:34:02] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[19:34:05] <tsoome> for best result you wanna zpool export pool before importing it[19:34:09] <bacon000> So I can hand these 4 drives to someone, tell them it's a RAIDZ filesystem, and they can mount it with no further info?[19:34:54] <tsoome> you actually dont even have to tell anything, zpool import will scan and tell whats there[19:35:04] <Triskelios> bacon000: "pool" is the less ambiguous term[19:35:34] <lewellyn> bacon000: tell them what the pool and zfs versions are, so they know which version of the OS is needed at a minimum[19:35:57] <bacon000> ok great.[19:39:36] <bacon000> thanks again, all.[19:39:40] *** bacon000 has quit IRC[19:41:17] *** alhazred has quit IRC[19:42:48] <peturIngiEgilsso> ok[19:42:50] <peturIngiEgilsso> solaris rocks[19:42:52] <peturIngiEgilsso> i love it so much[19:42:53] <peturIngiEgilsso> most stable ever[19:42:54] <peturIngiEgilsso> :)[19:43:31] *** icarus902 has joined #opensolaris[19:43:38] <causality> alrighty then[19:43:50] <lewellyn> he says after a half hour...[19:43:56] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[19:45:09] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[19:45:12] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[19:46:26] *** stewart has quit IRC[19:49:24] *** DataStream has joined #opensolaris[19:49:36] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[19:50:16] <ROKO__> grrr to slow[19:50:17] <ROKO__> :([19:51:44] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[19:52:47] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[19:53:38] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[19:55:39] *** atof has joined #opensolaris[19:55:51] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:55:51] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:56:28] *** atof has left #opensolaris[19:56:38] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:56:45] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:58:21] *** krzabr has quit IRC[19:58:38] *** RoyK has quit IRC[19:59:10] *** DataStream has quit IRC[19:59:12] <Spencer_tt> ? ssh != shhhh[19:59:40] *** peturIngiEgilsso is now known as peturi[20:00:59] *** peturi has left #opensolaris[20:02:16] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[20:10:36] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[20:10:49] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[20:13:05] <jnss> i ran with bsd[20:13:16] <jnss> it has the drivers for my network interface3[20:13:26] <jnss> which is really, the most important single distinguishing feature for me[20:13:48] <lewellyn> and that's why there's an hcl :P[20:14:35] <jnss> i wish you'd add my driver[20:14:50] <jnss> what can the hcl do for me?[20:15:16] <jnss> i'll request the driver in a bug report or what the procedure is[20:15:23] <causality> it can tell you what hardware to buy[20:15:45] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[20:18:29] <lewellyn> or whether things will work without you wasting time[20:18:51] <lewellyn> jnss: and you haven't said which card you have either[20:20:19] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[20:24:15] <jnss> one moment[20:26:37] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[20:28:10] <jnss> dev.e1000phy.0.%desc: Marvell 88E3082 10/100 Fast Ethernet PHY[20:28:16] <jnss> that's it.[20:31:53] <lewellyn> that should be the new yukon driver[20:32:15] <lewellyn> if you aren't on a recent dev build, use marvell's solaris 10 driver, or the one from...[20:32:21] <lewellyn> smrt: explain third-party network drivers[20:32:21] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about third-party network drivers...[20:32:24] <lewellyn> bah[20:32:25] <Triskelios> actually, I think that's an original Marvell Yukon, not Yukon 2, so the skge driver from marvell/syskonnect's web site[20:32:27] <lewellyn> smrt: explain third party network drivers[20:32:28] <smrt> While there is a wide array of network drivers in Solaris, you may have hardware that is not currently supported for some reason. The largest selection of third-party drivers are at: http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ (See also: nfo)[20:34:01] <Triskelios> yeah, http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6893213[20:34:33] <lewellyn> so that'd not be supported by myk either[20:34:35] <Triskelios> er, oops, that CR is for a yukon2 part. ignore that[20:34:48] *** p3rror has quit IRC[20:35:07] <lewellyn> so yeah. marvell supplies a solaris 10 driver that should work fine in opensolaris[20:36:07] *** \amethyst has joined #opensolaris[20:40:19] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[20:41:01] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[20:41:03] *** tosh has quit IRC[20:41:20] *** n1c0b has left #opensolaris[20:43:05] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[20:43:20] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[20:49:44] *** lo3Viej has quit IRC[20:54:02] *** nikolam_ has quit IRC[20:54:54] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[20:54:57] *** ku0n has quit IRC[20:57:22] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[20:57:37] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[20:58:13] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[20:59:08] *** mezgani has joined #opensolaris[20:59:49] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[21:00:54] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[21:01:10] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[21:01:38] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[21:02:14] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[21:03:45] <sstallion> lewellyn: bah. masa gets all the credit :P[21:04:44] <lewellyn> sstallion: i thought that he had a pre-yukon2 driver :P[21:04:45] <lewellyn> i was wrong[21:04:51] <sstallion> oh?[21:04:53] <sstallion> I thought he did too[21:05:09] <lewellyn> myk is yukon2 and i didn't see one otherwise[21:05:15] <sstallion> ahh okay[21:05:33] <lewellyn> aren't old busted nics your domain now? ;)[21:05:36] <sstallion> from what I understand, marvel phy's are rather contentious things[21:05:38] <sstallion> haha[21:05:44] <sstallion> more or less[21:06:08] <sstallion> not sure if the devices are any better[21:06:09] <lattera> so, I'm trying to install SUNWghostscript[21:06:19] <lewellyn> lattera: and it hates you :)[21:06:27] <lattera> any other way besides `pkg install SUNWghostscript` to install it?[21:06:47] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[21:06:51] <sstallion> lewellyn: dunno, I may be moving more toward storage before long[21:06:58] <lewellyn> sstallion: so... if you're still up for that evil project... i've got some questions[21:07:12] <sstallion> with the gig at CORAID, that will probably come in handy since I deal almost entirely in character device land[21:07:16] <sstallion> sure[21:08:12] <lewellyn> i'm going to get msft to give an explicit answer i can cite that says that the sources can be stripped of their gpl header if the bsd license option is chosen. would your driver then be bsd or cddl?[21:08:29] <sstallion> either is fine[21:08:43] <sstallion> CDDL would probably be better if you want to get this integrated[21:08:44] <lewellyn> i'm thinking bsd would probably be a good idea all around as it'd let them take the code back, if the changes are compatible[21:08:58] <sstallion> honestly it just depends[21:09:08] <jbk> evil project?[21:09:12] <lewellyn> yeah. i'm going to ask their feelings about cddl[21:09:17] <sstallion> if they can provide enough documentation, I can use the existing source as a reference, but we could author from the ground up with whatever license you want[21:09:21] <lewellyn> jbk: i want better hyper-v support in opensolaris :)[21:09:28] <sstallion> if you want a straight port, BSD is the only real option[21:09:40] <lewellyn> yeah. that's another thing. i'm trying to find out how far they are with external doco[21:10:07] <jbk> ahh[21:10:10] <sstallion> part of the issue with a port is these guys (ab)use procfs in that annoyingly Linux way[21:10:12] <lewellyn> hank should be back from europe by now, so hopefully i'll hear back quickly[21:10:25] <jbk> heh[21:10:33] <lewellyn> that's one reason i'd like to see the opensolaris driver bsd, so they can fix that ;)[21:10:36] <jbk> 'let's put everything about the system in proc'[21:10:38] <sstallion> so knobs would have to move to sysctl or driver.conf[21:10:47] *** ku0n has joined #opensolaris[21:10:51] <sstallion> well[21:10:51] <jbk> why not just properties?[21:11:04] *** ku0n has quit IRC[21:11:27] <lattera> the package manager thinks SUNWghostscript is already installed, even though it's not :([21:11:28] <sstallion> jbk: just depends on how applicable the changes are. most of the knobs are on a pseudo-device, so sysctl would be the likely candidate. Otherwise props would be fine for the ethernet driver[21:11:40] <lewellyn> lattera: file a bug :D[21:11:54] <trochej> g'night[21:11:57] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[21:12:01] * lewellyn hands trochej a goodnight coffee[21:12:30] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[21:12:36] *** Odin- has quit IRC[21:13:13] <lewellyn> sstallion: i'm also noting to them the fact that their bsd/gpl driver has a clickthrough non-redistribution license, which is dubious-looking to those who aren't familiar with how connect works :P[21:13:18] <lattera> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1865297[21:13:26] <sstallion> err what?[21:13:31] <lattera> it's gotta be installed, because evince depends on it[21:13:42] <sstallion> that violates the terms of the BSD license[21:13:45] <lewellyn> everything served via connect has that clickthrough, since it's almost all beta code[21:13:51] <jbk> did it get renamed?[21:13:54] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[21:14:15] <lewellyn> and there is a bit that says something like "the license included with the download, if any, overrides this long-ass text"[21:14:53] <sstallion> lewellyn: heh. well, BSD indicates redistribution with or without modification. to be honest, if you want this integrated, a scratch write with a CDDL license is probably your best bet.[21:15:12] <lewellyn> yeah. which would mean getting docs out of them[21:15:19] <sstallion> I can already see the amount of crap thats going to be on the issues list once the PSARC is filed.[21:15:30] <jbk> well someone could take the existing driver and write a spec[21:15:35] <lewellyn> i have the machine sitting next to me. i'm probably going to pxe install 2k8r2 onto it in about an hour[21:15:36] * sstallion nods.[21:15:45] <sstallion> its not a complicated code base at all.[21:16:00] <lewellyn> sstallion: that amount of crap is why i'm trying to get @microsoft.com to be around on the list :)[21:16:10] <sstallion> what sucks is since its a basic Linux packet driver, there is nothing on more interesting bits like link state etc.[21:16:24] <lewellyn> you can set promiscuous mode though :D[21:16:46] <lewellyn> and i don't think hyper-v even has a concept of linkstate[21:16:51] <lewellyn> it's always up :P[21:16:51] <sstallion> that helps, but a GLDv3 compliant driver is significantly more complete than Linux drivers[21:17:52] <lewellyn> that reminds me. i need to check what permissions are needed to manage hyper-v through the web...[21:18:30] <sstallion> either way, my plate is relatively full at the moment. I'm trying as hard as I can to get efe done in the next couple of weeks, and I might take on a glm re-write so I can get some block experience[21:18:36] <sstallion> so I have plenty of time ;)[21:19:02] <sstallion> afk one sec[21:19:51] <lewellyn> well, i'm still on the back and forth with microsoft. i just want to have the hardware ready when the time comes :)[21:20:12] *** jnss is now known as mayansrule[21:20:35] <lewellyn> of course if you think it's simple enough, i could try my hand at it... ;)[21:20:56] <lewellyn> i only had a cursory glance at the linux driver[21:22:33] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[21:24:03] *** mayansrule is now known as jnss[21:24:06] <sstallion> lewellyn: have you messed with DDI/DKI before?[21:24:27] <lewellyn> some[21:24:48] <sstallion> well, the big thing is mapping out the behavior of vmbus[21:25:21] <sstallion> looking at it, its basically a shared memory driver which issues a specific interrupt for I/O[21:25:31] <sstallion> just documenting the behavior is a big first step[21:25:42] <lewellyn> yeah. that's the one that i'm uncertain of[21:26:12] <sstallion> gotcha. that one has to get done before anything else.[21:27:06] <sstallion> so I'm tempted to just rewrite the thing[21:27:16] <sstallion> the port would end up being unrecognizable anyway[21:27:26] <lewellyn> probably[21:27:38] <sstallion> BSD drivers tend to port pretty well. Linux, not so much.[21:27:42] <lewellyn> i still want buy-in that they'll be on the list to field question :)[21:27:51] <sstallion> *nod*[21:29:18] <lewellyn> of course, the whole "omg oracle!" thing going on right now may make people more receptive to better hyper-v support as everyone's so scared solaris and xvm are going away :P[21:29:59] <sstallion> meh[21:30:02] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[21:30:19] <sstallion> I'll do the code, but I don't want my name anywhere near it ;)[21:31:03] <lewellyn> heh[21:31:19] <lewellyn> however you want to do it[21:32:03] *** phil has quit IRC[21:32:38] *** icarus902 has quit IRC[21:33:04] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[21:35:03] *** dalibor has quit IRC[21:37:31] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[21:45:12] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[21:45:47] <Macer> cloverfield cracks me up[21:46:38] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[21:47:52] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[21:47:56] *** icarus902 has joined #opensolaris[21:52:04] * sstallion &[21:52:09] *** FastJack has quit IRC[21:52:32] * lewellyn ^Z[21:52:58] *** hsp has quit IRC[21:53:18] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[21:59:14] <CodeWar> one particular user acct cannot load wallpapers (defaults to just solid color) any idea where the bulk of gnome error messages land up? dmesg doesnt contain anything[21:59:44] <Bateau> check xorg.log?[22:00:43] <CodeWar> Bateau, I did .. /var/log/gdm seems to have some logs[22:01:53] *** kmays_ has joined #opensolaris[22:02:13] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[22:03:03] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[22:03:43] *** kmays_ has quit IRC[22:06:33] *** sysspoof has joined #opensolaris[22:07:23] <Triskelios> CodeWar: ~/.xsession-errors[22:08:38] <CodeWar> awesome it does have some relevant error messages thanks Triskelios[22:11:48] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[22:19:16] *** nitrile has quit IRC[22:23:14] *** xapiens has quit IRC[22:28:41] *** mezgani has quit IRC[22:34:25] <CodeWar> fwiw doing "gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/background/draw_background true" fixed the issue for some freakin reason the flag had turned to false. dude in #gnome pointed that out[22:38:17] *** omry has quit IRC[22:40:38] <Triskelios> CodeWar: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/background[22:40:59] <Triskelios> that will revert everything to default[22:42:31] <lewellyn> sounds like he needs --cursing-unset ;)[22:44:16] <strawf> lewellyn: do you happen to know how to get ipfilter in a zone? is $pkg install SUNWroute outdated information? :)[22:44:28] <lewellyn> no clue[22:44:34] <lewellyn> can you even use it in a zone?[22:44:56] <strawf> I believe it's possible (http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=100437&tstart=0) but I also believe SUNW-packages are no longer used :o[22:45:36] <lewellyn> you should be able to specify SUNW* in 134/2010.whatever[22:46:18] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[22:46:36] <strawf> alright, thanks for your help :)[22:54:54] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[22:55:00] *** PabloM has joined #opensolaris[22:55:02] <PabloM> hi[22:56:04] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:56:31] <PabloM> I need access to a shell in solaris for a college assigment[22:56:48] <CosmicDJ> ever heard of virtualbox?[22:57:11] <lewellyn> smrt: explain virtualbox[22:57:11] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about virtualbox...[22:57:16] <lewellyn> smrt hasn't :P[22:57:21] <PabloM> I did, but I don't have the cd and I don't have time to download it[22:57:30] <CosmicDJ> then it doesn't exist ;)[22:57:51] <lewellyn> PabloM: don't have time to download virtualbox? it's a few megs. :P[22:58:03] <PabloM> for download solaris[22:58:13] <lewellyn> faster to get it than to come in here and tell us something vague that we can't really help with[22:58:13] <PabloM> vbox I already have it installed :P[22:58:15] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[22:58:26] <CosmicDJ> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+jeos/[22:58:29] <lewellyn> opensolaris is only 600-700 megs[22:58:31] <Stric> So.. is your assignment retarded, or are you just started doing it waay late?[22:58:32] <lewellyn> or jeos, yes[22:58:42] <lewellyn> but i've had poor results with jeos in vbox, myself[22:58:58] <CodeWar> wasnt there a try opensolaris over the web .. demo thing[22:59:06] <PabloM> dumb friends actually, i had to do the linux part[22:59:23] <PabloM> CodeWar: that's the kind of thing I'm looking for[22:59:27] <lewellyn> CodeWar: i tried using it back in june. didn't work too well. i'd be unsurprised if it went away.[22:59:27] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[22:59:36] <CosmicDJ> CodeWar: there was a HP testdrive, though not sure they provided solaris as well[22:59:37] <PabloM> I just need the shell[22:59:37] <Stric> and then you figured that solaris =~ linux..?[22:59:50] <lewellyn> PabloM: how is your friend going to learn if you're doing his homework?[23:00:08] <PabloM> If I don't do it I get kicked of the class[23:00:17] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[23:00:29] <CodeWar> thats how important solaris has become .. good to know that :-)[23:00:29] <lewellyn> if you don't do your friend's homework, you get kicked out? O_o[23:00:33] <PabloM> it's a _team_ work[23:00:38] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[23:00:46] <lewellyn> you could have had the iso downloaded by now[23:00:51] <CosmicDJ> hehe[23:00:52] <lewellyn> and it's a livecd, to boot...[23:01:01] <Stric> PabloM: so you got to do the linux assignment.. so that's why you're asking for non-linux?[23:03:13] <CodeWar> https://learning.sun.com/solc/course/sandbox-1[23:03:22] <PabloM> yeah, well, the thing is internet here sucks and it takes forever to download it[23:03:26] <PabloM> thx CodeWar[23:03:48] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[23:04:10] <CodeWar> your course has a problem if the prof is asking you to do assignments on Solaris and not provide school lab/farm that already has it[23:04:45] <Stric> Or if as you said "I had to do the linux part" and then you think that linux = solaris[23:05:07] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[23:05:46] <PabloM> yeah, the course sucks, and always been like this[23:05:51] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[23:06:01] <PabloM> thanks again CodeWar , that will do the trick[23:06:02] <PabloM> ;)[23:06:12] <PabloM> well, back to work, bye bye[23:06:21] *** PabloM has quit IRC[23:06:30] <CosmicDJ> does that "virutal lab" still work? page says smth about 2008.11[23:06:57] <CodeWar> no idea he seemed to think it does :-)[23:07:03] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[23:07:18] <lewellyn> i'm not convinced it ever actually worked ;)[23:07:21] <Stric> or possibly confused about what solaris is.. and probably not yelling enough if the "course sucks"..[23:07:29] <Triskelios> lol "Note: PLEASE DO NOT SHUTDOWN THE SOLARIS IMAGE USING SOLARIS COMMANDS - THIS TAKES THE IMAGE OFFLINE UNTIL WE MANUALLY RESTART IT."[23:07:46] <Stric> Triskelios: um.[23:08:11] <CosmicDJ> yeah I tried to login using a bugmenot account just to do a init 5..[23:08:21] <CosmicDJ> didn't work though[23:08:23] *** wass has joined #opensolaris[23:09:16] <lewellyn> CodeWar: hahaha[23:09:29] <lewellyn> live.com creates email addresses for anyone[23:09:42] <lewellyn> and it'd be ironic to use live.com to get an account to kill the vm :)[23:10:28] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris[23:10:46] <Stric> or just register to spam.la[23:10:49] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris[23:11:33] <wass> hi :) I`m trying to configure my pppoe connection in OpenSolaris. how can I do it?[23:11:55] <Stric> wass: have you searched "pppoe opensolaris" on google or any other search engine?[23:12:06] <plavcik> hello, my notebook with snv_134 did twice poweroff during zfs recv and I had to remove batery to be able to start im againg, could I somehow / somewhere get some dump / traces, which can be helpfull?[23:12:42] <lewellyn> smrt: lmgtfy pppoe opensolaris[23:12:43] <smrt> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pppoe+opensolaris[23:12:57] *** ozux has quit IRC[23:13:38] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[23:14:02] *** niq has quit IRC[23:17:43] <plavcik> will savecore help, if machine has been powered off and /var/crash/mymachine dosnt exist?[23:18:19] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[23:18:40] *** p3rror has quit IRC[23:22:22] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[23:23:17] *** timothyr has joined #opensolaris[23:26:45] *** milek__ has joined #opensolaris[23:27:53] *** leito has quit IRC[23:27:58] *** wass has left #opensolaris[23:28:05] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[23:28:27] *** milek has quit IRC[23:29:15] <CosmicDJ> plavcik: did you check your fans? hw temp?[23:29:28] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:30:28] <CosmicDJ> there's no cpu fequency scaling on older procs... maybe your laptop is running at full speed all the time and did an emergency shutdown; just guessing though[23:32:49] <axisys> lewellyn: wow .. i like that smrt knows about lmgtfy[23:33:07] <lewellyn> axisys: and jfgi[23:33:11] *** Odin- has quit IRC[23:33:20] *** milek__ has quit IRC[23:33:26] <axisys> smrt: jfgi[23:33:26] <smrt> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jfgi&l=1[23:33:37] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[23:33:58] <axisys> lewellyn: hehe[23:34:27] <lewellyn> interesting[23:34:40] <lewellyn> i've never tried that without a term[23:34:43] <lewellyn> smrt: lmgtfy[23:34:43] <smrt> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy[23:34:48] <lewellyn> neat[23:35:06] <lewellyn> axisys++ # new test case[23:35:46] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[23:36:21] <axisys> lewellyn: hmm.. i forgot to enable X11 for libnotify to work.. brb[23:36:44] *** axisys has quit IRC[23:37:22] * lewellyn wonders why he was highlighted for that[23:37:45] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[23:38:21] <axisys> back..[23:38:46] <axisys> hopefully next time someone say my name i will get a visual gui notification[23:39:49] *** sysspoof has quit IRC[23:41:04] <lewellyn> just have it update your titlebar ;)[23:41:12] <sstallion> gdamore: ping[23:41:41] <lewellyn> sstallion: that was a quick fg[23:41:47] <sstallion> quick nap ;)[23:41:54] <lewellyn> :)[23:42:20] <axisys> lewellyn: oh ok.. so i dont have to worry about X11[23:43:23] <axisys> lewellyn: although visual gui notification works cross workspace .. one added benefit[23:43:51] <lewellyn> i only use a single desktop. i lose things otherwise[23:44:37] <axisys> lewellyn: heh.. funny that is the exact reason i use multiple workspaces .. separation by projects and stuff ..[23:44:54] <lewellyn> all my stuff ends up overlapping to some degree[23:45:26] <axisys> lewellyn: i hear ya[23:45:58] <axisys> lewellyn: i have been trying to keep them separate .. i have to honest .. it is not easy[23:46:37] <axisys> lewellyn: if i have to visit the same page for two separate projects .. i have opening it in two workspaces .. oh well..[23:47:18] <axisys> i guess end of the day whatever works and matter of choice[23:47:50] *** crichardso has quit IRC[23:53:45] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[23:57:40] *** sysspoof has joined #opensolaris[23:57:43] *** CoolMa has left #opensolaris[23:57:55] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[23:58:40] *** hnhn has quit IRC