April 15, 2010 
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April 15, 2010 [00:00:53] <Wilhelm_Scream> Well thanks for all the info guys[00:00:55] *** Wilhelm_Scream has quit IRC[00:01:31] <CosmicDJ> jamesd2: and what happend then...?[00:02:02] <jamesd2> CosmicDJ, they moved it to a linuix server, it was giving them a bad rep... there main devel mailing list was hosted on solaris[00:02:05] <x58> In osol what command can I use to view information about the CPU in my system, such as its clock speed, model number, and all that nice jazz?[00:02:24] <alanc> psrinfo -v[00:02:35] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[00:02:53] <alanc> also smbios[00:03:02] <seanmcg> prtdiag[00:04:30] <CosmicDJ> jamesd2: reminds me of the hotmail.com freebsd -> windows story...[00:04:54] *** NorrinRa1d has joined #opensolaris[00:04:59] <x58> Thanks alanc and seanmcg[00:05:00] <causality> not many people actually know about the hotmail story[00:05:02] <jamesd2> CosmicDJ, yeap that was a thorn in microsoft's side for a long time.. it took a lot of work to change it[00:05:17] *** stevel_churro is now known as stevel[00:05:22] <causality> jamesd2: it took a long time due to the number of servers[00:05:33] <causality> ~10k by the time the front end was fully migrated[00:06:17] <jamesd2> causality, it was more the fact that it took 10k servers to support the frontend probably took a lot less for freebsd[00:06:38] <causality> were you there jamesd2?[00:06:43] *** NorrinRadd has quit IRC[00:07:27] <jamesd2> nope, just know how bad microsoft servers were at that time... and have maintained microsoft servers from time to time[00:07:38] <causality> oh, i was there.[00:07:40] *** deirdres has joined #opensolaris[00:07:45] <causality> so please stop spreading the FUD[00:07:46] <causality> :)[00:08:08] *** deirdres has quit IRC[00:08:39] <causality> the oracle backend, that's a different story.[00:08:42] <causality> that was a pita in the migrate.[00:08:42] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[00:09:07] <CosmicDJ> what was fud? that they replaced less than 10k freebsd servers with 10k+ windoze servers?[00:09:19] <causality> says who?[00:09:47] <causality> the magic 'they' no doubt![00:09:51] <CosmicDJ> "it was more the fact that it took 10k servers to support the frontend probably took a lot less for freebsd"[00:10:12] <causality> blind leading the blind..[00:10:16] <causality> and on that note, goodnight![00:10:31] <CosmicDJ> so the word "they" was fud?[00:10:42] <CosmicDJ> one-man show?[00:10:54] <CosmicDJ> wtfud[00:11:21] *** falconn19 has quit IRC[00:12:08] <CosmicDJ> guess I'll have to read the wikipedia entry for the utter truth...[00:12:22] <jbk> heh[00:12:35] <CosmicDJ> ah there's your fud "Hotmail originally ran on a mixture of FreeBSD and Solaris operating systems."[00:12:49] * eviljames quickly updates the wiki entry to read "They replaced a single FreeBSD machine with 10,000 Windows IIS servers"[00:12:56] <CosmicDJ> lol[00:13:35] <eviljames> "unfortunately, this was not enough to keep up with demand. A further tenfold increase to 100,000 Windows servers was required [citation needed]."[00:14:34] <longcat> dunno why so much windows hate[00:14:34] *** jonshea has quit IRC[00:14:57] <eviljames> longcat: just trying to be cool & fit in, you know. peer pressure[00:15:26] <CosmicDJ> no he's right, let's bash linux again ;)[00:16:01] <eviljames> Have you read any documentation for Linux written after 2006? Me neither![00:16:03] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[00:18:36] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[00:19:07] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[00:19:27] <CosmicDJ> hm well... how about oracle?[00:21:00] <Spencer_tt> Eeevil is a registered Apple TM[00:22:08] <jbit> iVil[00:22:32] *** Kedare has quit IRC[00:22:38] <Spencer_tt> iVillain[00:22:39] <fleyta> iPornmat[00:25:22] <CosmicDJ> haha Mad TVs iPad...[00:25:30] <eviljames> People watch Mad tv?[00:26:24] <CosmicDJ> nope, just the ipad one[00:28:27] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:29:01] <Spencer_tt> iPad like totally awesome dudes, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMnlDWaOPp0[00:29:39] *** psychicist has quit IRC[00:29:52] <Spencer_tt> I just sigh.[00:30:14] <fleyta> Spencer_tt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko watch and get a iPad for free.[00:30:27] <Spencer_tt> :D[00:30:59] <Spencer_tt> I'll click later, I still have fond attachment to my HP[00:33:12] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:36:16] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[00:36:24] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[00:41:30] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC[00:42:28] <sstallion> gdamore: around?[00:45:35] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[00:46:23] <steven43126> what is the prefered way to configure static ip in osol? there seem to 2 methods one using nwam and one that disables nwam and uses network/default...[00:48:03] <projectmoon> steven43126: i disable nwam. there is not too much to configure without it[00:49:44] <steven43126> projectmoon: yeh that's the way im leaning, just wondering if there was an offical method, is nwam supposed to replace the old method for instance lot of conflicting info when googling the subject[00:50:36] <projectmoon> i don't think there is any kind of official method. i wasn't even aware that nwam works w/ static ip?[00:51:35] <steven43126> projectmoon: yup /etc/nwam/llc or something similar is the config file to edit[00:52:48] *** jebnor has joined #opensolaris[00:54:02] <jebnor> Can someone point me to a howto on upgrading from 111b to latest? I think I'm missing some terms to look for it efficiently.[00:54:10] <steven43126> projectmoon: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/beyond_dhcp_with_dns_and[00:54:19] <projectmoon> yeah i found a post on it now[00:54:51] <projectmoon> i probably would have used that on my current server but it isn't available in that distro of open solaris[00:55:16] <steven43126> i get the feeling things may be moving the nwam way who knows.. i don;t know the pro's/con's of either method[00:55:32] <steven43126> im much more used to /etc/network/interfaces style config :)[00:55:50] <projectmoon> nwam is probably closer to that[00:55:57] *** jim` has quit IRC[00:56:06] <projectmoon> the only advantage i can think of by using the "old" way is more control[00:56:14] <projectmoon> so i guess it really depends on how much of a control freak you are[00:56:37] <steven43126> i haven't even looked into assigning vlan's and alias address yet :([00:56:40] <jamesd2> projectmoon, also good for multiple nics on a host...[00:56:59] <projectmoon> ^there you go, perfect reason![00:57:18] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[01:00:00] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[01:00:29] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[01:00:38] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[01:01:57] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[01:02:56] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[01:02:56] <Spencer_tt> jebnor: start the package manager or the update manager and click update, here's a link http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/update_mgr.html[01:04:54] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[01:06:58] *** |Inthewings| has quit IRC[01:07:27] <Meths> Are you sure? Will update manager say anything when you're on the latest /release? Doesn't jebnor either need to know he's on the latest /release or need something a lot like changing repos and image-updating whilst reading update/release notes?[01:08:05] <Meths> jebnor: You are on the latest official release. If you want to update to the latest /dev release see here: http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/en/index.shtml[01:08:22] * Meths misses smrt[01:09:05] <jebnor> Meths: Thanks[01:11:27] <CosmicDJ> is he MIA or KIA?[01:12:01] <Spencer_tt> he has to see for himself what update manager is saying[01:15:36] *** radsy has quit IRC[01:16:19] *** radsy_ has joined #opensolaris[01:16:24] <fleyta> This is interesting: Roland fixed all memory leaks in ksh93 for the last update and now the variables.sh test module finishes in 20 seconds instead of 8 minutes.[01:16:44] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[01:17:00] <fleyta> Where's Matt?[01:17:10] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[01:17:14] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[01:19:40] <fleyta> !seen lewellyn[01:20:58] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:21:37] *** radsy_ is now known as radsy[01:21:41] <jamesd2> fleyta, please dont make the bot recall such an ugly experience, the poor bot had nightmares for a week ;-p[01:21:50] *** alanst has joined #opensolaris[01:22:40] *** alanst has quit IRC[01:24:22] <Hedonista> doing an image update creates a new boot environment doesnt it?[01:24:50] <alanc> yes[01:25:01] <Hedonista> thanks alanc[01:26:23] *** Praematura has quit IRC[01:26:43] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[01:26:57] *** jim` has joined #opensolaris[01:30:21] *** lattera has quit IRC[01:30:46] * snuff-work likes the psarc integration fest of late.. will be nice when a new dev version comes out :)[01:30:47] *** projectmoon1 has joined #opensolaris[01:30:51] <gdamore> sstallion: back now, briefly[01:31:51] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[01:33:21] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[01:33:49] *** zynox has quit IRC[01:33:52] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[01:34:15] *** stewart has quit IRC[01:34:36] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[01:35:38] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[01:36:13] *** dover has joined #opensolaris[01:36:13] *** projectmoon1 is now known as projectmoon[01:36:17] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[01:36:21] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[01:36:33] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[01:39:31] <fleyta> gdamore: Can we get a shell api to send create music, please?[01:39:46] <gdamore> huh?[01:39:49] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[01:40:28] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[01:40:57] <gdamore> what exactly is it you want to do? use shell commands to send notes? or something else?[01:41:07] <fleyta> gdamore: builtin audiodev_t ; audiodev_t ad ; ad.open("/dev/sound/0") ; ad.play("abbababacc");[01:41:26] *** felipe_ has quit IRC[01:42:05] <gdamore> well, if you design it.....[01:42:34] <fleyta> gdamore: do you sponsor the ARC case?[01:43:17] <gdamore> of course, once you go down that path, you have to figure out how to represent note delays, and different octaves... and then someone is going to want different instrument types, and pretty soon you need a full midi synth[01:43:43] <ttys0> with more cowbell[01:43:48] <fleyta> Organ, trumpet and quished frogs[01:44:27] <fleyta> "trumpet", "squished larry ellison", "bark bark"[01:46:37] <gdamore> btw, in case it wasn't obvious, the answer to your PSARC question was "no". :-p[01:47:50] <gdamore> ok, i have to go ship a package... bbiaw.[01:48:16] <gdamore> unless my batteries for my R/C corsair came in, in which case I won't be back for quite some time. :-p[01:48:18] *** Calibellus__ has joined #opensolaris[01:48:50] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[01:48:52] <gdamore> here's the corsair: http://www.nitroplanes.com/20ar2f4uco3d.html[01:49:49] *** zynox has quit IRC[01:50:41] *** tindasz has joined #opensolaris[01:51:02] <tindasz> hi morning all[01:51:06] <snuff-work> nice toy :)[01:51:20] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[01:52:03] *** Calibellus__ has quit IRC[01:52:14] <fleyta> gdamore: you should team with my husband[01:52:40] <fleyta> gdamore: Or maybe I can sell you all the junk in our cellar.[01:52:55] <gdamore> lol. i doubt that would make roland very happy. :-p[01:55:26] <CIA-21> Garrett D'Amore <gdamore at opensolaris dot org>: 6939934 boomer needs engine scheduling overhaul, 6939935 PSARC 2010/096 Public Audio DDI[01:56:01] <jbk> what about things like aftertouch, pressure, pornamento? =][01:56:02] <fleyta> gdamore: he's getting another baby to sing into sleep. I do not think he will have to play with electro planes which go 280km/h[01:56:02] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[01:56:48] *** stevel has quit IRC[01:57:01] <jbk> speaking of that, it'd still be neat to have a good low latency midi framework in opensolaris =][01:59:04] <odyi> Anyone ever had experience with a Storedge 3511's beap codes?[01:59:12] <fleyta> svn commit -m 'Fix bug CR#6942280, print -p fails'[01:59:14] <fleyta> Sending usr/src/lib/libshell/common/sh/jobs.c[01:59:16] <fleyta> Sending usr/src/lib/libshell/misc/ERRATA.txt[01:59:17] <fleyta> Transmitting file data ..[01:59:19] <fleyta> Committed revision 1922.[02:01:01] *** zynox has quit IRC[02:01:08] <fleyta> gdamore: your plane is made from styrofoam?[02:02:32] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[02:05:37] *** achester has quit IRC[02:06:25] <zynox> How can I append a group to a user, I know usermod -G .., but that overrites the groups, I just want to add a group, how can I do that?[02:06:52] <tindasz> zynox: what do you ?[02:06:58] <tindasz> zynox: what do you want?[02:07:04] <zynox> I want to add a group?[02:07:21] <tindasz> groupadd[02:07:31] <zynox> i mean to the user*[02:07:36] <zynox> I already done groupadd[02:09:01] <tindasz> you want the user assign for group already you make?[02:09:04] *** dalibor has quit IRC[02:09:11] <zynox> yes[02:09:30] <zynox> like usermod -G foo[02:09:38] <zynox> but I dont want to overrite the existing groups there[02:10:05] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[02:10:14] <snuff-work> u have to specify all the groups[02:10:15] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:10:40] <zynox> ok, is there a way to list them? so I know which ones to put in the command?[02:10:43] <snuff-work> i think someone was working on a fix to make it append.. rather than overwrite[02:10:52] <snuff-work> i think it is just a comma[02:11:03] <ottom> zynox: 'groups <username>'[02:11:07] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[02:11:09] <zynox> thanks ottom[02:11:43] <snuff-work> yep.. [ -G group [ , group ... ][02:12:39] <zynox> ok thanks, i only had a primary group there so it didnt matter anyway[02:12:39] *** stewart has quit IRC[02:13:03] <snuff-work> its also the same with 'roles'[02:14:08] <zynox> "drw-rw---- 27 znc znc 27 2010-04-15 00:31 moddata", "cd: moddata: Permission denied"[02:14:09] <zynox> erm[02:14:45] <alanc> need to have +x on directories too[02:14:50] <zynox> ahh ok thanks[02:15:09] <tindasz> usermod -g (group) (user)[02:15:52] <tindasz> to change the use group[02:16:27] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[02:27:33] *** Jondice has quit IRC[02:27:54] *** lesterc` has joined #opensolaris[02:28:01] *** lesterc` has quit IRC[02:28:33] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[02:28:46] *** taemun has quit IRC[02:28:50] <Jondice> just to counter all the people asking for 2010.03[02:28:55] <Jondice> please don't release it next[02:29:05] <Jondice> i want to make sure some more bugs are gone first ... ;)[02:29:10] *** taemun has joined #opensolaris[02:29:38] <strato_> <Jondice>[02:29:56] <strato_> you will have to wait a couple of weeks for 2010.03 I think[02:30:12] <alanc> Jondice: just because you asked so nicely, we'll hold the release a bit longer[02:30:13] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[02:30:43] * alanc notes down that it's all Jondice's fault now...[02:30:45] <strato_> alanc do you have some real info[02:30:56] <strato_> on when 2010.03 will be released[02:30:56] <Jondice> i'll take the blame[02:31:15] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[02:31:18] <alanc> strato_: I don't know when it will be released yet[02:31:32] <strato_> what about IPS[02:31:36] <strato_> ON is already 137[02:31:49] <fleyta> ON is at B138[02:32:02] <strato_> or should I just run onu[02:32:21] <alanc> if you want b137 or b138 bits from ON, build them and run onu[02:32:23] *** fleyta has quit IRC[02:32:28] * Jondice gets ready to submit another bug report, and copy another from defect to bugs[02:32:58] <deet> noob question … what's ON?[02:33:03] <deet> kinda hard to look that one up[02:33:16] <strato_> OpenSolaris Nevada[02:33:22] <Aria> The core OS.[02:33:25] <deet> aha, gotcha thanks[02:34:07] <strato_> since we are asking noob questions[02:34:09] <alanc> I also don't know when IPS will be updated next - as mentioned on one of the mailing lists today, and many times before in this channel, everytime we've had a release, the /dev repo updates stopped while the release was in progress[02:34:12] <strato_> what is onnv-gate[02:34:29] <alanc> like 2009.06 published 111a & 111b, but not 112-115[02:34:55] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[02:35:06] <alanc> saves having to split the repo into /dev and /release-candidate or do weird things to allow some people to get 111a from /dev while others get 113[02:35:29] <alanc> strato_: onnv-gate is the name of the hg repository containing the code for the nevada branch of ON[02:35:42] <strato_> 10x allanc[02:36:59] <alanc> ON covers about 20% of the OS as a whole - doesn't include most of the external open source (vim, gcc, emacs, etc.), nor the desktop (X, GNOME, Mozilla)[02:37:41] <alanc> most, but not all, of the code that originated from the original SVR4 Unix or Sun's kernel additions is in ON[02:39:48] <Aria> (ON is OS+Networking, not "OpenSolaris Nevada" -- that's ONNV)[02:41:00] *** being has joined #opensolaris[02:41:16] <being> hello, trying to get crontab in solaris to use /bin/bash as the shell rather than /bin/sh. I tried SHELL=/bin/bash in the crontab file but apparently that is not supported. Any ideas?[02:41:55] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[02:42:35] <winstonw> you could call a script that has the unportable commands in it[02:44:00] * snuff-work grins @ RSS codereview feed coming back online[02:44:23] <projectmoon> being: you can pass a script as a parameter to bash[02:44:26] <tindasz> crontab -e[02:44:59] *** jebnor has quit IRC[02:45:09] *** stewart has quit IRC[02:46:28] <being> so just pipe /bin/bash in the cronjob command?[02:47:01] <projectmoon> like[02:47:12] <projectmoon> /bin/bash script.sh[02:48:28] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[02:48:54] <being> alright thanks[02:48:57] <winstonw> or use a shebang so you don't have to worry about passing bash, just make the script executable :-)[02:49:06] <projectmoon> yeah that works too[02:49:14] <projectmoon> #!/bin/bash[02:49:55] <winstonw> I think bash has the -c arg like sh so you could do something like bash -c 'echo -n i like cats; echo meow'[02:50:08] <winstonw> if you don't want to manage script files[02:50:20] <being> 0 0 * * * #!/bin/bash | echo 'hello'[02:50:23] <being> so something like that?[02:50:25] <winstonw> noo[02:50:36] <projectmoon> it goers at the top of the file[02:50:41] <projectmoon> goes, even[02:50:42] <being> top of the crontab file?[02:50:42] <Aria> /bin/bash -c "echo 'hello'"[02:50:50] <projectmoon> you need an entirely separate file[02:50:52] <Aria> No, top of a separate script that crontab invokes.[02:50:55] <Aria> Or use bash -c[02:50:56] <being> ahhh ok[02:50:58] <projectmoon> that has #!/bin/bash at the top[02:51:03] <projectmoon> and then you have crontab invoke that[02:51:04] <being> i get it now, thanks[02:55:35] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris[02:56:13] <sstallion> jbit: pornamento?![02:56:54] *** jonshea has joined #opensolaris[02:59:09] <Jondice> has anyone ever converted from vi to emacs after years using the other first (or vice versa)?[03:01:10] <jamesd2> Jondice, not anyone doing sysadmin work on a daily basis... emacs isn't installed on most servers i have seen, and adding an editor on a production server is a big process.[03:01:32] <being> so go with nano and you'll be fine[03:01:33] <being> ;)[03:01:48] <Jondice> jamesd2, yeah, i can see that since that is mainly what i started out doing with vi[03:01:48] *** Tusk has quit IRC[03:01:56] <jamesd2> being, same difference... solaris, hpux, aix dont come with nano out of the box[03:02:03] <being> ahh[03:02:08] <Jondice> recently i saw emacs being used to send blocks of code to interpreters[03:02:31] <Jondice> and since i deal with large amounts of data in some of my scripts, or long computation times for some steps, i'm switching to emacs[03:02:35] <Jondice> mainly for that[03:02:43] <Jondice> the first day was rough, but its getting better[03:02:51] <winstonw> I use emacs only on win32 and when working on school projects[03:03:21] <jamesd2> on windows i like notepad++ unless i'm doing something in an ide like netbeans.[03:03:57] <gdamore> back now.[03:04:01] <winstonw> wb[03:04:05] <gdamore> fletya: yes, the plane is stryofoam.[03:04:37] *** MaceG1 has joined #opensolaris[03:04:55] <MaceG1> Hi[03:05:23] <Jondice> incidentally, emacs was how I found about the fun issue with SunF36 and SunF37 as well.[03:05:44] * jamesd2 hates vi yet i know more about making vi do its many things than most people that like vi.[03:05:56] <Jondice> haha[03:06:37] <winstonw> ed isn't too bad, I just don't know how to hop in the middle of a line and insert data without using the s command[03:06:46] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[03:09:05] <projectmoon> nano is where it's at[03:09:29] <projectmoon> at the least i need autotabbing and pretty colors to keep me interested in the computer screen[03:09:48] <Jondice> it would appear that emacs needed an internet connection to start up on my solaris machine though, lol[03:09:56] <Jondice> even firefox doesn't need that[03:09:57] <richlowe> wow, y'all weren't joking about the CR RSS feed coming back to life.[03:10:00] <Triskelios> projectmoon: all modern editors do that[03:10:44] <projectmoon> Triskelios: yes, i am aware, but nano does it with classiness. sort of like an english gentleman as your text editor.[03:11:36] <Triskelios> nano and "classiness" have never appeared before in the same sentence[03:11:38] <Jondice> that makes me think of more bland colors personally[03:11:44] <Jondice> no offense ...[03:11:49] <projectmoon> until now.[03:13:21] <winstonw> =D[03:13:47] *** Tusk has joined #opensolaris[03:14:18] *** MaceG1 has quit IRC[03:16:00] <jaywalk> hey all, a quick question. Recommendations on PCIe NIC for osol?[03:16:25] <jaywalk> I have a Dell R210 that's giving me a pain with its internal NICs so want to add a external one that doesn't break down once a week :)[03:16:34] <jaywalk> PCIe 4x slot iirc[03:17:35] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[03:18:59] <snuff-work> intel nic is good[03:19:47] * snuff-work shakes fist @ identity.sun.com.. work damn u[03:20:55] <Jondice> alanc, before I submit this - have you seen any X11 restart bugs related to svc:/application/pkg/server, gnome-power-manager, or gnome-settings-daemon?[03:21:19] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[03:21:30] <alanc> Jondice: doesn't sound familiar[03:21:38] <Jondice> ok[03:26:28] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[03:27:25] *** felipe_ has joined #opensolaris[03:31:02] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[03:31:09] <Triskelios> Jondice: it's usually a video driver bug if anything causes the X server to crash[03:31:49] *** mustang has joined #opensolaris[03:32:01] <Triskelios> Jondice: do you have a stack trace from your crash (Xorg will print one to its log if it crashes)? you'll need one[03:32:51] *** johe has quit IRC[03:32:55] *** johe has joined #opensolaris[03:35:10] <Jondice> Triskelios, http://barker.homeunix.net/bb/random/Xorg.0.log.old[03:36:58] *** ninkolam has quit IRC[03:37:08] <Jondice> and syslog http://pastebin.ca/1861150[03:37:16] *** djl1 has left #opensolaris[03:37:48] *** ninkolam has joined #opensolaris[03:39:52] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[03:40:17] <Jondice> this in gdm slave:[03:40:22] <Jondice> svcprop: Could not connect to configuration repository: repository server unavailable.[03:40:22] <Jondice> svcprop: Could not connect to configuration repository: repository server unavailable.[03:40:36] <Jondice> at the same time[03:43:13] <Jondice> and the gdm-greeter log was modified around then http://barker.homeunix.net/bb/random/:0-greeter.log[03:43:34] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[03:47:58] *** merzo has quit IRC[03:48:34] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[03:48:51] *** Cyrille has quit IRC[03:49:25] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[03:49:58] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[03:53:03] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[03:53:14] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris[03:57:49] *** samc has quit IRC[03:59:31] *** merzo has quit IRC[04:01:49] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[04:03:40] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:05:33] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[04:07:00] *** TomJ has quit IRC[04:07:21] *** tosh has quit IRC[04:07:26] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[04:08:15] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[04:09:34] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[04:10:49] *** popster has joined #opensolaris[04:11:50] <popster> Can anyone tell me if it would be possible to port this (server only) to osol and if so where I should start? http://mumble.sourceforge.net/BuildingLinux[04:12:25] *** merzo has quit IRC[04:16:25] *** being has quit IRC[04:17:15] <alanc> hard to tell just by looking at build instructions, but nothing there says it shouldn't be[04:17:55] <alanc> looks like you'd have to find or port a bunch of packages it depends on though[04:18:55] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[04:19:29] *** Calibellus_ has quit IRC[04:20:50] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[04:21:19] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[04:23:22] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[04:25:32] <Triskelios> Jondice: anything in the log for the failed services? "Could not connect to configuration repository" is disturbing since it probably means your SMF daemon died...[04:26:44] <Jondice> Triskelios, yeah, SMF died - this seems to be happening a lot on this system.[04:26:54] *** bklang has quit IRC[04:29:11] <Triskelios> Jondice: get a core dump from it[04:30:04] <Jondice> Triskelios, ok, where would that be?[04:30:30] <Triskelios> Jondice: probably / by default[04:30:49] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[04:31:03] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[04:31:22] <Jondice> i see a core.svc.configd.1266886800.11, but it is dated Feb 25[04:31:52] <Triskelios> hm...[04:32:02] <Triskelios> Jondice: maybe configure the global core dump pattern as /var/cores/core.%f.%p[04:32:47] <Triskelios> popster: looks a little annoying, as uses both Boost and Qt, so you'll need to build both with g++ or Studio + stlport4[04:35:46] *** popster has left #opensolaris[04:37:01] *** gjl has quit IRC[04:37:25] <x58> The *.usb images, they are to be dd'ed to a flash drive right?[04:37:39] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[04:37:59] <Triskelios> x58: they need to be dd'ed to slice[04:38:52] <x58> Triskelios: Is there any documentation on how to do this?[04:39:20] <Triskelios> x58: the usbcopy script handles this for you if you have an existing (Open)Solaris system[04:41:13] <x58> I don't have one handy :/[04:41:20] <Hedonista> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/livemedia/livemedia/usbcopy[04:41:59] *** popster has joined #opensolaris[04:42:07] <x58> Hedonista: I don't have an solaris/opensolaris install handy on which I could run the script.[04:42:20] <Hedonista> k[04:43:38] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[04:44:50] <snuff-work> x58: goto http://genunix.org there is a link to both windows and i think.. linux versions to put the osol usb image onto them[04:46:00] <x58> snuff-work: Where?[04:46:57] <x58> Found it[04:47:02] <x58> Windows only :/[04:49:35] <alanc> smrt knows the answers, but the bot is still offline[04:51:19] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[04:51:55] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[04:52:05] *** xqterry has joined #opensolaris[04:52:14] <x58> alanc: Do you remember the keyword? I may have logs where smrt answered the question![04:53:01] *** dajune has quit IRC[04:53:22] *** Jondice has quit IRC[04:53:44] <x58> To make a Live USB version of OpenSolaris, you need a .usb image (genunix.org) and a way to put it on a USB drive. Usually, one uses http://src.opensolaris.org/source/raw/livemedia/livemedia/usbcopy (Solaris), http://chonan-en.blog.pid0.org/2009/11/how-to-create-opensolaris-live-usb.html (Unix/Mac), or http://devzone.sites.pid0.org/OpenSolaris/opensolaris-liveusb-creator (Win)[04:56:34] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[04:57:30] <alanc> x58: liveusb I think[04:57:44] <x58> Yep, that is what I just pasted :)[04:57:46] <x58> Thanks for that idea.[04:58:19] <alanc> ah, right, didn't read that far down after seeing my name highlighted[04:58:28] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[04:58:34] <alanc> should get lewellyn to make the smrt db have a web interface too[05:00:14] <x58> Shouldn't be too hard.[05:00:29] <x58> Or have multiple bots in here, where smrt gets precedence but the others can take over just in case smrt is not available.[05:01:09] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[05:12:12] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:12:36] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[05:13:17] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:13:59] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[05:16:59] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[05:17:58] *** stewart has quit IRC[05:26:46] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:29:07] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[05:31:16] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:31:34] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[05:34:28] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[05:34:50] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:35:43] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:36:48] *** lesterc has quit IRC[05:37:32] *** rgm12 has joined #opensolaris[05:37:43] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[05:37:50] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[05:37:59] *** engrxyz has joined #opensolaris[05:43:17] *** xqterry has left #opensolaris[05:43:26] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[05:46:25] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:47:02] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[05:47:38] *** gjl has joined #opensolaris[05:48:08] *** dajune has joined #opensolaris[05:49:30] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:50:13] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[05:51:34] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:51:58] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[05:53:12] *** rgm12 has left #opensolaris[05:54:02] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:54:03] *** datadigger has quit IRC[05:55:42] *** Brave has joined #opensolaris[05:56:49] <madwizard> Coffee![05:56:51] <madwizard> Coffee3[05:57:47] <Brave> hi all[05:58:03] <Brave> i am a new user for opensolaris[05:58:57] <Brave> what the difference between solaris and opensolaris[05:59:30] <Brave> which is the right choice to implement in a company/enterprise[06:01:11] <alanc> kinda of like RHEL vs. Fedora - Solaris is the enterprise release that you install on your servers and run for a few years, OpenSolaris is the faster moving development branch you put on your desktop and get major updates to much more often[06:01:38] <alanc> which is the right choice depends on which of those you need, and which one your company wants to pay for the support model of[06:02:08] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[06:02:51] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[06:05:34] <jnss> i was hoping opensolaris was like centos[06:05:43] <longcat> lol[06:06:44] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[06:07:05] *** ma3x has quit IRC[06:07:34] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[06:07:52] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[06:08:03] <alanc> RHEL with the logos filed off?[06:08:42] *** zzpat has quit IRC[06:09:17] <Brave> alanc: is still solaris free edition or we must buy a product or we must pay for support[06:10:03] <alanc> sorry, I'm in engineering, not sales, I know there have been recent changes to Solaris, but don't know the details[06:10:41] <Brave> may be you have information about this before[06:11:02] <longcat> my take is he wouldnt touch it with a 20ft pole, even if he knew[06:11:15] <longcat> the details, that is[06:11:31] <alanc> Sun used to give the Solaris OS away for free to use, and charge for support (including patches) - but Oracle has different policies/terms[06:11:51] <Brave> as i know opensolaris is community edition[06:12:17] <madwizard> Not exactly[06:12:20] <alanc> I think you can still get free evaluation licenses for Solaris and still have to pay for fixes - but I don't know how where the cutoff between free and paid between those is now[06:12:23] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[06:12:24] <madwizard> But so far it's free[06:12:44] <madwizard> OpenSolaris, I mean[06:13:22] <alanc> and the previous "Solaris Express Community Edition" is dead, but it was less community-based than OpenSolaris anyway[06:13:24] <Brave> a few month ago i get dvd version of solaris before sun acq by oracle[06:13:43] *** Odin- has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[06:14:28] <Brave> can i use opensolaris as server as robust solaris[06:15:13] <Spencer_tt> jnss: :)[06:15:39] <Spencer_tt> you need some coffee.[06:15:56] *** stevel has quit IRC[06:16:12] <madwizard> Brave You can[06:16:21] <madwizard> Brave it even has more features.[06:16:22] <tindasz> u can[06:16:55] <madwizard> Brave and if you use 2009.06 there is some kind of Security updates repo[06:17:03] <madwizard> Google for Project Kyoto[06:17:20] <Brave> i was downloaded 2009.06 version[06:18:23] <Brave> i am afraid in the future we must buy solaris after we implement solaris as server in our company[06:19:06] <Brave> if we can use opensolaris as server like solaris, we will do that[06:19:11] *** darrenb has quit IRC[06:19:25] <Gman> it will be a free download, but if you want support then you'll have to buy one of oracle's support plans[06:19:37] <Gman> and technically by using it in production use, you're violating the license[06:19:45] <jamesd2> Brave, and who do you call for support? things do break and usually at 2am... when no one else is around.[06:19:51] <Gman> though you could use it internally and get away with it i'd expect[06:20:04] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[06:21:11] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[06:22:55] <tindasz> for company better pay the support[06:23:49] <Brave> ok thanks i will find the support for indonesian[06:24:26] *** ma3x has quit IRC[06:24:52] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[06:25:14] <Spencer_tt> when you get support, you usually get better results - better than filing bug reports for most people imho.[06:25:45] <balrog> Spencer_tt: support is sooo expensive :([06:25:50] <balrog> what about educational use?[06:26:04] <Spencer_tt> balrog: depends on what you want to do,[06:26:24] <balrog> college labs[06:26:27] <Spencer_tt> all machines come with warranty - if you need to use it you can go for it.[06:26:31] <alanc> educational use isn't making your company business rely on it, and making your company lose money when theres a problem[06:26:41] <balrog> ~30 computers and ~ servers[06:26:52] <balrog> ~5 *[06:27:50] <balrog> that's true, but there are two issues: (a) no updates and (b) we get audited by the BSA[06:28:32] <Spencer_tt> balrog: what do you want do with OpenSolaris and how many machines do you need running it[06:28:40] <Spencer_tt> you could just run it in VMs[06:30:54] <balrog> I'm talking about Solaris[06:31:02] <balrog> the servers can run OpenSolaris just fine[06:31:08] <balrog> the workstations are old Blade 150s[06:31:15] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[06:31:30] <Shoggoth> hi all![06:31:39] <balrog> hi Shoggoth[06:32:04] <alanc> for a Blade 150, the choice is easy - Solaris 10 is the last release to support those - no graphics drivers in OpenSolaris for the m64 in the SB150[06:32:20] <balrog> exactly[06:32:50] <Shoggoth> I've got RAID controller that doesn't support JBOD mode so I've set it up with a separate LUN per physical disk to allow zfs to manage each spindle as if I had JBOD[06:33:09] <Shoggoth> what advice would any of you care to give me wrt to stripe size?[06:33:31] <Andys^> it shouldn't need a stripe size then?[06:34:05] <Shoggoth> no it shouldn't but the RAID controller will still chunk things up effectively making the block size of the spindle the strips size[06:34:27] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[06:34:33] <extnct> will an sata3 raid hba will work with sata2 expanders?[06:34:47] <Aria> Yes.[06:34:58] <extnct> thanks[06:35:21] <Spencer_tt> well I'm looking at OpenSolaris as a single user, ofcourse for many machines that's another issue, all the way you have to spend effort, time & or money there's no escaping how much time or money you'll need to spend on working with (Open)Solaris, I just think support contracts make more sense in the long run unless you're going to train users/admins on how to patch, maintain or trouble shoot.[06:35:52] <Spencer_tt> the only way to know that is get support when you know you need it.[06:37:01] <Shoggoth> Andys^: am I assuming something incorrectly here?[06:38:02] <Andys^> if its a seperate LUN per disk... there should be no stripe size... doesnt make sense to me..[06:38:04] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[06:38:19] <Aria> Yeah... there's no striping with only one disk per lun...[06:38:56] <Shoggoth> I was/am under the impression that the controller would still use the strip size parameter effectively making the block size of the spindle whatever the stripe size was set to[06:39:09] <sstallion> gdamore: around by chance?[06:39:19] <Aria> That'd be odd, considering that disks have smaller blocks...[06:39:57] <Shoggoth> ie. a normal jbod'd disk will have a block size of 512b yet the raid controller would transact writes in <strip size> chunks[06:40:13] <Andys^> Shoggoth: i dont think thats the case...[06:40:17] <Shoggoth> ok[06:40:40] <Aria> Yeah, I've never heard any such thing by even the most insane controllers.[06:41:10] <Shoggoth> this thing is an LSI logic SAS controller...[06:41:12] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[06:41:35] <Shoggoth> I would have expected anything from LSI to be sane but given my experience with the card and their technical support people nothing would surprise me[06:41:42] <Aria> Hehe. Yeah.[06:41:46] <Aria> No fan of LSI either.[06:41:59] <Shoggoth> really folks... _never_ buy anything from LSI[06:42:48] <Shoggoth> I had BIOS issues with the card and they blamed it on the mobo manufacturer not following standards... mobo manuf. is _intel_ I doubt that they're in the wrong :)[06:44:20] *** wrapster has quit IRC[06:47:45] <Shoggoth> actually I'd be willing to swap out the controller for something more sane... anyone know of a non-RAID (JBOD) SAS controller that is compatible with solaris (and linux, mac osx) that will fit a pci-e x4 or x8 slot and has 16 channels ?[06:48:13] <sickness> 16 channels? =)[06:48:48] <sickness> I have an LSISAS3442E-R which has 8, but 16... =)[06:49:02] <sickness> (and works like a charm under osol)[06:49:23] <Shoggoth> yeah 16 channels :)[06:49:47] <Aria> Heh, that's a tall order.[06:49:53] <Aria> I use an LSI card in dumb mode ;-)[06:49:53] <Shoggoth> and LSI... that's what I was afraid of... I'm getting the impression that osol doesn't really support anything else[06:50:01] <Shoggoth> I wish I could[06:50:10] <Shoggoth> this card doesn't support dumb mode[06:50:15] <sickness> maybe you could just put 2 of that[06:50:16] *** taemun has quit IRC[06:50:39] <sickness> I've reflashed mine to be just a jbod[06:50:49] <Shoggoth> maybe except my mobo only has 3 pci-e slots: 1x16, 1x8, 1x4[06:51:17] <Shoggoth> I guess I could stick an old fashioned PCI vga card in and use the x16 slot for a 2nd controller[06:51:44] * Shoggoth wishes PC's could boot without a VGA card[06:52:36] <sickness> yeah, that's what I do, you can stick two 8x controllers in the 16x and in the 8x slots respectively :)[06:53:03] <Shoggoth> I'd be perfectly happy if LSI had a non-RAID bios for this card but they don't[06:53:19] <sickness> almost all PCs *can* actually boot without a VGA card! just tell them to stop on NO errors at boot in the BIOS :P[06:53:46] <Shoggoth> sickness: have you ever done that and gotten it to boot and OS reliably?[06:54:07] <Shoggoth> I don't think I'd want that in a prod. machine anyway[06:54:14] <sickness> Shoggoth: lots of times[06:54:20] <Shoggoth> mmm... interesting[06:54:45] <sickness> Shoggoth: yeah, it's better not to do that, you could always have an hurry... but it's feasible[06:54:52] <Shoggoth> most mobo's I've seen won't POST without a vid card of some description[06:54:59] <sickness> some high end cards even let you redirect bios and console on serial lines :)[06:55:10] <Shoggoth> ahh yes... IPMI[06:55:23] <Shoggoth> some ppl never thing through acronyms[06:55:30] <sickness> almost all the mobos I've used since the mid '90s could easily boot without a vid card, you just had to set that option in the BIOS[06:55:37] <sickness> wait on no errors :)[06:55:53] <sickness> gotta run at work! bye :)[06:55:58] <Shoggoth> eh... that's a little different than a POST error[06:55:58] <andersenep> shoggoth: i think that card does have a non-raid firmware[06:55:59] <Shoggoth> k[06:56:17] <Shoggoth> andersenep: really!!!!!! do you have a link you can send me>[06:56:18] <Shoggoth> t?[06:56:18] <andersenep> 3442ETB3.fw[06:56:37] <andersenep> http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/host_bus_adapters/sas_hbas/lsisas3442er/#Firmware[06:56:42] <andersenep> t is the non-raid bios[06:56:48] <andersenep> read the readme.txt :-)[06:56:59] <andersenep> r is raid, t is non-raid. the zip has both[06:57:48] <Shoggoth> andersenep: that's not my card :([06:57:53] <Shoggoth> mine's the 84016E[06:58:04] <andersenep> oops, my bad[06:58:34] *** Jondice has quit IRC[06:58:43] <Shoggoth> lol[06:58:43] <Shoggoth> np[06:58:59] <Shoggoth> ahhh I see[06:59:07] <Shoggoth> you saw the card that sickness recommended[06:59:31] <andersenep> sure did[07:00:17] *** stevel has quit IRC[07:01:56] <Shoggoth> hey does "expect" (the tcl variant) ship with osol?[07:02:01] <andersenep> supermicro makes some cheap 1068e based cards.[07:02:44] <Shoggoth> andersenep: yes I've seen those but 2 problems: 1) I've heard mixed reports of osol compatibility 2) most supermicro cards aren't standard PCIe[07:03:35] <Shoggoth> in excellent IT industry tradition they have their own bus called "UIO" which is PCIe with the components on the other side of the board and the bracket in a different spot[07:03:43] <Shoggoth> 'tards[07:03:48] <andersenep> yeah, i don't know why they choose to do that[07:03:56] <Shoggoth> simple:[07:03:58] <Shoggoth> 'tards[07:03:58] <andersenep> mine works well[07:04:09] <Shoggoth> which one do you have?[07:04:17] <andersenep> i just hotglued it in a pci-e slot[07:04:22] <Shoggoth> lol[07:04:27] <andersenep> aoc-usas-l8i[07:04:30] <Shoggoth> I hope you never have to take it out[07:05:04] <andersenep> i think it'd come out[07:05:22] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[07:06:00] *** easyE has quit IRC[07:06:09] *** easyE has joined #opensolaris[07:06:12] <Shoggoth> the marvell based one looked more promising (AOC-SASLP-MV8) but apparently it doesn't work with osol[07:06:13] <Shoggoth> :([07:06:31] <Shoggoth> more promising = regular PCIe[07:06:37] <andersenep> from everything i gather, lsi based is the way to go[07:07:08] <Shoggoth> yes... it seems so.. but I'd really rather not give them $$$ given the tech (non)support I've gotten from them[07:07:47] *** balrog has quit IRC[07:08:04] <andersenep> that's why i went with the supermicro for $120[07:08:07] *** taemun has joined #opensolaris[07:08:24] *** sergov has joined #opensolaris[07:09:30] <Shoggoth> 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oh[08:03:00] <gosx> well i've seen people using that board[08:03:02] <gosx> successfully[08:03:17] <gosx> i'm sure some google-fu on zfs-discuss would find the threads[08:03:36] <shem> but that mobo fried so we'll order something else, maybe H8DAE-2 or H8DME-2[08:04:07] *** Brave has left #opensolaris[08:04:18] *** Reepicheep has quit IRC[08:04:29] <shem> but i'll take a look at that LSI.[08:06:59] *** winstonw has quit IRC[08:10:03] *** xapiens has quit IRC[08:10:58] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[08:18:16] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[08:20:58] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[08:21:54] *** eycel has quit IRC[08:23:21] *** ozux has quit IRC[08:25:15] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[08:26:14] *** Edgeman has joined #opensolaris[08:26:17] *** miamano has quit IRC[08:27:39] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[08:27:59] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[08:29:25] *** winstonw has quit IRC[08:30:06] *** FireflyST has joined #opensolaris[08:33:03] *** merzo has joined 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ARC is good.. and is doing its job... or something[09:45:36] <Andys^> ;)[09:45:47] *** Bateau has quit IRC[09:46:11] <Kapsel> it is doing its job[09:46:16] <tsoome> you do have 26GB arc afterall[09:46:29] <Andys^> if your regularly accessed data set fits in your system RAM...... its gonna look good[09:46:38] <Andys^> & ARC is quite smart about not polluting the cache easily[09:46:52] <Kapsel> I see.[09:47:04] <tsoome> if you compare to disk arrays, midrange clss arrays have like 8GB per controller (mirrored)[09:47:08] <Kapsel> I also have 320GB L2ARC, but its not getting read that often.[09:47:12] <tsoome> class*[09:47:21] <Kapsel> tsoome: yeah.[09:48:07] * Andys^ 's L2ARC is also mostly idle[09:48:21] <tsoome> l2arc will get more ised if your ram will be filled more with apps and there will be less space for arc:)[09:48:29] <tsoome> used*[09:48:41] <tsoome> wtb speller:D or coffee.[09:48:42] <tsoome> :D[09:49:05] <Kapsel> ok, I just checked iostat - http://dpaste.com/184062/[09:49:09] <Kapsel> it IS doing its job :)[09:49:14] <Andys^> ARC is also really good about prefetching, which contributes to a high hit rate[09:49:34] <Kapsel> Andys^: yeah, judging from the prefetch numbers from arc_summary.pl, prefetch is definitly working.[09:49:39] <Stric> Kapsel: kstat -m zfs -s l2_size to see how large the l2arc actually is[09:49:52] <Kapsel> l2_size 308525366784[09:49:57] *** Section9 has quit IRC[09:50:03] <tsoome> you may wanna compare iostat numbers with fsstat[09:51:12] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[09:51:14] <Kapsel> fsstat. hm, never used that.[09:51:24] *** andersenep has quit IRC[09:51:44] <tsoome> fstat zfs 1 for example[09:51:48] <Kapsel> yeah :)[09:51:50] <Kapsel> checking it now.[09:52:07] <tsoome> ok, i need to get to coffee machine:D[09:52:14] <Kapsel> good point.[09:56:12] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[09:56:20] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[09:56:41] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[09:56:41] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[09:56:43] *** stewart__ has joined #opensolaris[09:56:46] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[09:56:48] *** stewart has quit IRC[09:56:53] *** stewart__ has quit IRC[09:56:59] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[09:57:05] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[09:57:18] *** dover has quit IRC[09:57:59] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[10:04:34] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[10:04:40] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[10:05:39] *** twisti has quit IRC[10:06:11] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:06:14] *** Brave has joined #opensolaris[10:08:31] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[10:09:11] <steven43126> hm how to enable serial console access on opensolaris so i can access with IPMI Serial over LAN ?[10:09:17] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:09:35] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[10:09:55] <tsoome> do you have ipmi card?:P[10:10:19] <steven43126> so far iv'e read i need to use eeprom / or edit svc:/system/console-login or edit /etc/remote[10:10:22] *** ninkolam has quit IRC[10:10:23] <steven43126> yes i do :)[10:11:42] <tsoome> eeprom console=ttya or set console= at grub[10:11:43] <steven43126> tsoome: it has KVM over IP support as well, but i prefer serial as the KVM seems a bit flaky[10:12:43] <steven43126> tsoome: thanks i'll give it a try, though i think i need to configure the port to 9600 first as 115200 seems to be problamatic according to a few posts iv'e seen.[10:13:07] <tsoome> depends on card i guess, but yes 9600 is safe side[10:14:26] <jaywalk> hey all, I need to get my hands on a replacement nic for my Dell R210, the internal ones goes down way too frequently :/[10:15:04] *** tindasz has quit IRC[10:16:20] *** Brave has left #opensolaris[10:17:30] <jaywalk> intel EXPI9400PT was quite expensive to get as soon as i want it, found EXPI9301CT but that one doesnt seem to be in bigadmin?[10:19:32] *** swa_work has quit IRC[10:19:44] *** mariusz has quit IRC[10:19:54] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[10:19:56] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[10:22:14] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[10:22:38] *** javashin has quit IRC[10:25:26] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[10:30:02] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[10:30:17] *** pegasus-rider has joined #opensolaris[10:30:55] *** devians has quit IRC[10:31:29] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[10:32:55] *** mariusz has joined #opensolaris[10:33:12] *** chendy has quit IRC[10:33:13] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[10:35:19] <pegasus-rider> Prompt please if OS supports networked RAID?[10:35:57] <CosmicDJ> #[10:36:22] <CosmicDJ> what's "networked raid" btw?[10:37:24] <smyth_rj> marketing speak for nas? mayb[10:37:24] *** brougham has quit IRC[10:37:30] <pegasus-rider> Support for stuff like mirroring of where devices in a pool are network-attached[10:37:36] *** brougham has joined #opensolaris[10:38:06] <smyth_rj> is that using ZFS?[10:38:08] <tsoome> if your device is iscsi disk, then its network attached and yes, you can use it for pool;)[10:38:38] <smyth_rj> tsoome: that cleared it up, thanks[10:39:01] <pegasus-rider> ZFS - perhaps, and iSCSI... Well, I'd rather prefer Firewire[10:39:27] <smyth_rj> mirror over the network, thats freaking cool[10:39:40] <tsoome> ?[10:39:57] <tsoome> used decades in storage networks:P[10:40:12] <timsf> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+avs/ used to do this.[10:41:45] *** dalibor has quit IRC[10:42:03] *** yalu has joined #opensolaris[10:42:17] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:45:14] <pegasus-rider> If I got it right, it's designed for iSCSI and Fibre Channel only?[10:45:30] <yalu> A question about the upcoming release: I understand there's no set date, but is there something like a list of release critical bugs or something? Or some overview of work to be done or problems with the current development version...?[10:45:54] *** popster has quit IRC[10:46:28] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[10:47:03] <Stric> pegasus-rider: so is your real question "I want to connect random firewire disks to a bunch of machines and duct tape them all together and share out to all the machines" ?[10:48:05] *** fuku1 has joined #opensolaris[10:48:08] <CosmicDJ> yalu: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=8314[10:48:25] *** brougham has quit IRC[10:48:36] <pegasus-rider> Something like that[10:49:42] <Stric> pegasus-rider: You can probably do it, but it's not a common usecase, so you'll probably run into usability & stability issues.[10:50:32] <pegasus-rider> Although if there are better ways to synchronize data on two disks on different machines, ...[10:51:32] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[10:52:49] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[10:54:12] *** ma3x has quit IRC[10:54:51] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[10:55:04] *** brougham has joined #opensolaris[10:55:10] <yalu> thank you CosmicDJ. so in short: upgrade thunderbird and fix a crash in IPS. that sounds good, like a few days work.[10:57:05] <CosmicDJ> yalu: I wouldn't count on it...[10:57:35] <yalu> CosmicDJ: one can always hope ;)[10:57:38] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[10:58:25] <yalu> I just hope it's released by the time my backup server choice is decided, the thing's ordered and has arrived. I'd like to use the dedup feature in ZFS very much.[11:06:56] *** fuku1 has left #opensolaris[11:08:52] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:10:47] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:15:30] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[11:19:55] *** pegasus-rider has quit IRC[11:21:12] *** hnhn has quit IRC[11:21:36] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[11:23:11] *** Tusk has quit IRC[11:32:22] <madwizard> Coffee[11:33:14] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[11:33:14] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[11:35:44] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[11:36:23] *** Tusk has joined #opensolaris[11:40:09] <hsp> When b135 is published?[11:41:56] <lblume> Never.[11:41:59] <madwizard> Soon, my young padawan, soon[11:42:15] <steven43126> maybe silly question but in the interessted of learning, i disabled nwam and enabled the network:defaul svc but not add persistent ip config only ran ifconfig manually. On reboot the interfaces nge0 nge1 do not show. I can see them when i run dladm show-link. What are the steps to manually bring these interfaces up ?[11:42:41] <lblume> madwizard: Don't give false hope - b135 will never be published, as they'll jump top b137 or 138, at least ;-)[11:42:42] <madwizard> steven43126: ifconfig nge0 plumb up[11:42:44] <madwizard> steven43126: ifconfig nge1 plumb up[11:43:01] <madwizard> lblume: You too?[11:43:08] <chendy> is b135 2010.H1 ?[11:43:28] <madwizard> No, but H2O may be[11:43:36] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[11:43:51] <steven43126> madwizard: that did the trick, so plumb basically makes the interface availble for use by the ip stack ?[11:44:26] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[11:46:42] <madwizard> steven43126: Yes[11:47:26] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[11:47:38] <zedrich> 133 runs pretty well it seems[11:48:00] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[11:48:18] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[11:55:29] <lblume> Is it possible/easy to access data on an NTFS partition from an OpenSolaris Live CD?[11:57:27] <coolvibe> lblume: http://mount-ntfs.sourceforge.net/[11:57:33] <coolvibe> nice userspace solution[11:58:12] *** Yrr has joined #opensolaris[11:58:30] <coolvibe> lblume: afaik it also has precompiled bins that will work[11:59:17] <lblume> *from a LiveCD*?[11:59:35] <coolvibe> yeah, just copy it on[11:59:50] <lblume> ... on whgat?[11:59:54] <coolvibe> put it in /tmp or /var/tmp[12:00:02] <coolvibe> runs fine from in there[12:00:18] <lblume> Ah, ok, get it.[12:01:01] <Yrr> hey, is someone here with some experience in AVS?[12:01:13] <Yrr> i've a point in time copy running[12:01:31] *** lateau has quit IRC[12:01:43] <Yrr> and wonder if the performance reported by dsstat is what i can expect[12:02:08] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[12:05:17] *** chendy has quit IRC[12:05:20] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[12:05:35] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[12:05:36] <lblume> coolvibe: Ok, looks good, I'll try it, thanks![12:06:08] <coolvibe> no problem, that program saved my ass a couple of times :)[12:07:22] <lblume> Do you know if it needs a recent release? 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How do i set the appropriate netmask?[13:16:34] *** nitrile has quit IRC[13:16:39] <seanmcg> /etc/netmasks[13:16:50] <seanmcg> or use ifconfig[13:17:15] <steven43126> seanmcg: that was my first though infact iv'e added it there done a svcadm restart and a svcadm clear but still the same problem ?[13:19:15] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[13:23:35] *** _madmax__ has quit IRC[13:24:41] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[13:25:13] <lblume> It must be another problem because a too large netmask should not prevent you access to another address on the same LAN[13:27:19] <seanmcg> steven43126, pastebin ifconfig output ?[13:29:07] *** ozux has quit IRC[13:30:05] <steven43126> seanmcg: will do, just rebooted, and if it's still mis-configured it takes a looong time to timeout[13:32:32] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[13:33:02] <steven43126> seanmcg: works after reboot, i added the netmask to /etc/netmasks and removed a persistent default route i had added, as i also had one same route added via /etc/defaultrouter[13:33:44] <steven43126> did not seem to work with a svcadm restart or clear though... but there were 42 dependant services not running so maybe a bit too borken :)[13:34:27] <devians> why wont my xbox play files shared by my opensolaris server via cifs, even though the acl's are effectively 755[13:34:44] <devians> play == read i would think. piece of shit. constant fucking permissions issues on this bullshit[13:35:23] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[13:40:47] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[13:40:48] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[13:46:22] <devians> (btw i still maintain that the tools for managing acls are heinously broken)[13:49:30] *** gm152 has quit IRC[13:51:28] *** zazenrasta has joined #opensolaris[13:54:32] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[14:03:47] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[14:04:28] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[14:11:47] *** ku0n has joined #opensolaris[14:11:49] <ku0n> hello[14:12:36] <winstonw> A turkey just walked up to a window behind me and started hitting it with its beak...[14:13:56] <jbit> winstonw: maybe you should let it in[14:14:20] <winstonw> nah, i scared it away :-)[14:15:46] <zazenrasta> it only wanted you to Fn+F8 for large screen, it couldn't see =P[14:16:01] <zazenrasta> s/large/larger[14:18:02] *** hnhn has quit IRC[14:18:13] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[14:19:00] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC[14:19:07] <winstonw> hahahah[14:22:05] *** brougham has quit IRC[14:23:07] <steven43126> devians: i didn't realise the xbox would read from cifs ?[14:23:24] *** brougham has joined #opensolaris[14:23:55] <steven43126> devians: iv'e always used ushare never tried to compile it on osol though[14:25:00] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[14:25:15] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[14:31:39] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[14:32:15] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[14:32:32] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris[14:32:42] *** gjl has quit IRC[14:33:53] *** ku0n has quit IRC[14:34:44] <seanmcg> steven43126, its an xbox made by micro$oft.. why wouldn't it use cifs ?-)[14:35:13] <seanmcg> a friend of mine streams movies to it from his (windows) pc via cifs.[14:35:31] <steven43126> seanmcg: i though it just used windows media center to stream movies as it transcodes on the fly to to the right format for the xbox[14:35:53] <seanmcg> he can browse folders etc via the xbox, so...[14:36:03] <seanmcg> no need for a media center[14:36:09] <steven43126> yeh but that may be uPnP[14:40:23] <lblume> And there's no security feature that prevents access to an executable (as opposed to simply read/write) media file? 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This support should be available in 2008.11 and newer. Any additional information is likely to be found at: http://www.3ware.com/support/OS-Support.asp#opensolaris and be sure to file any bugs with 3ware, NOT SUN.[15:14:24] *** brougham has quit IRC[15:15:13] *** ma3x has quit IRC[15:15:29] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[15:15:33] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[15:16:06] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[15:19:01] *** bro has quit IRC[15:22:18] <effnorwood> i have the same issue with our adaptec controller - i create jbod but the card won't export those for whatever reason - even with the solaris driver[15:22:22] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[15:22:33] *** brougham has joined #opensolaris[15:27:31] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[15:29:28] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[15:31:27] *** ma3x has quit IRC[15:35:51] *** speshak has quit IRC[15:36:32] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:39:37] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[15:45:41] *** datastream has joined #opensolaris[15:45:41] *** gtirloni has joined #opensolaris[15:47:49] *** datastream is now known as DataStream[15:48:16] *** speshak has joined #opensolaris[15:54:23] *** popster has joined #opensolaris[15:54:23] *** popster has left #opensolaris[15:54:42] *** sunfun has joined #opensolaris[15:55:44] <Alasdairrr> Is it possible with clearview/crossbow/rbridges to set up an IPMP interface in the global zone, and pass through a single vnic to a zone that uses the ipmp group somehow so the zone doesn't have to do IPMP itself?[15:56:25] <asyd> yeah[15:56:35] <asyd> it's even possible with sol10, if I understand correctly what you want[15:57:01] <Alasdairrr> I'm talking about an IP Exclusive type zone though[15:57:11] <asyd> ah[15:57:19] <Alasdairrr> the issue I have is that a vnic can't be "over" an ipmp interface[15:58:09] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[15:59:25] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[16:01:43] <tsoome> with exclusive ip setup, you cant do that[16:01:54] *** MattBenjamin has left #opensolaris[16:02:10] <tsoome> with shared ip, you wont get interface, just an ip[16:02:53] <Alasdairrr> Can you not have your ipmp interface and vnic delegated to the zone attached to a bridge?[16:04:19] <Alasdairrr> i may as well just try this and see if it works ;)[16:04:57] <lblume> Is it possible to know which actual font a font alias resolves to for a given glyph/set of glyph?[16:05:04] *** ThePickle has joined #opensolaris[16:05:09] <asyd> ipmp on vnic?[16:05:15] <asyd> sounds a bit strange for me[16:05:45] <asyd> ah you have two differents bridges with two differents physical nic?[16:06:08] <Alasdairrr> Well imagine this use case: Your zones are delegated to paying customers. You want two physical leads into the server, with IPMP across those so it can withstand switch failure. You then want a bridge and a single vnic per customer zone.[16:06:26] <Alasdairrr> With VMWare and Citrix XenServer it's not an issue[16:06:36] <Alasdairrr> I'm just trying to work out how to do it with crossbow/clearview/rbridges[16:07:17] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:09:54] <steven43126> lewellen: thanks, got it sorted with JBOD now. 5.44 TB of storage :)[16:11:22] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[16:13:21] *** niq has quit IRC[16:16:36] *** extor has joined #opensolaris[16:19:17] *** wdp_aao_ has joined #opensolaris[16:21:14] *** hohum has quit IRC[16:22:31] *** hohum has joined #opensolaris[16:22:57] *** wdp_aao__ has quit IRC[16:23:58] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[16:28:10] *** milek has quit IRC[16:29:44] *** brougham has quit IRC[16:29:59] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[16:30:01] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[16:30:30] <trygvis> does anyone know why oracle is not releasing new IPS versions?[16:30:43] <trygvis> are they not built internally at least?[16:30:50] <alanc> they are built internally[16:31:15] <trygvis> how come they're not released to the public?[16:31:19] <alanc> but just as when 2008.05, 2008.11, and 2009.06 were in the release cycle, they're not being posted[16:31:27] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:31:47] <trygvis> I could understand that for 134 and 135, but I would think at least 137 would be released[16:32:10] <alanc> builds 112-115 were never posted so that people who wanted to move to 2009.06 didn't go to far, and those who wanted to test 111a didn't have to do weird contortions to not get 113 instead[16:32:46] <alanc> beyond pointing out those well known facts, I can't say why builds are delayed or when they might be posted again[16:33:15] <trygvis> ok. 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Installed to one and now trying to add the second as a mirror. First step im trying to format the second one which fails see http://pastebin.com/5KuAsafa any ideas / pointers ?[17:35:58] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[17:36:30] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:37:21] *** nitrile has quit IRC[17:37:45] <jamesd_laptop> steven43126, what are you formating?[17:38:30] <CosmicDJ> smrt: explain zfs mirror[17:38:31] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about zfs mirror...[17:38:36] <CosmicDJ> uhm...[17:38:44] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[17:38:45] <steven43126> the second ssd c7t1d0[17:39:17] <jamesd_laptop> dont you just need to label it?[17:39:34] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[17:39:36] <steven43126> the server with drives came configured with both SSD's in a hardware raid array (nvidia raid), this was turned off and solaris installed fine to the first disk[17:39:38] <CosmicDJ> some prtvtodc + fmthard is needed[17:39:43] <CosmicDJ> vtoc[17:39:50] <steven43126> im a bit worred i can print the vtoc from the second disk ?[17:40:07] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain mirror rpool[17:40:07] <smrt> http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/10/18/zfs-boot-mirror-setup/[17:40:07] <CosmicDJ> smrt: explain zfs[17:40:09] <smrt> ZFS is the groundbreakingly awesome new copy-on-write filesystem from Sun. It self-heals, uses storage pools, implements software RAID, has built-in compression, does snapshots, and has native backup tools. It is included in recent Solaris and OpenSolaris versions. See http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ (See also: zfs boot faq, zfs best practices, arc, arc summary, zilstat) (Also, /msg smrt search zfs) No, it doesn't slice, dice, or julienn[17:40:12] <steven43126> jamesd_laptop: i don't no do i ? lol[17:40:28] *** tg has quit IRC[17:41:23] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[17:43:09] *** tg has quit IRC[17:44:00] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[17:45:04] *** twisti has quit IRC[17:45:12] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[17:45:33] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[17:46:11] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[17:46:24] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[17:49:30] *** wewek has quit IRC[17:49:33] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[17:50:41] *** alanst has joined #opensolaris[17:54:18] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[17:55:21] <CIA-21> Gerald Thornbrugh <Gerald.Thornbrugh at Sun dot COM>: 6927545 NFSv4 reaper thread can exit without clearing up DB entries[17:56:28] *** falconn19 has joined #opensolaris[17:56:50] *** Erwann has quit IRC[17:57:54] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[17:58:24] *** mikefut has quit IRC[17:59:19] *** hnhn has quit IRC[18:01:43] *** ozux has quit IRC[18:05:33] *** cudgel has joined #opensolaris[18:05:57] *** mikaeld has quit IRC[18:06:02] <taemun> anyone know if theres a bug in b134's mavell yukon yge driver?[18:06:07] <taemun> warning: yge0: RX FIFO overrun![18:06:17] *** mikaeld has joined #opensolaris[18:06:42] <deet> i don't know if there's a bug, but that error happens in mac os X also, coincidentally[18:07:00] <deet> i've about decided there's a bad run of marvell yukon chips out there[18:07:00] <taemun> in this instance, it causes network flow to .. die[18:07:01] <taemun> for a bit[18:07:10] <taemun> :()[18:07:13] <taemun> ** :([18:07:23] <deet> yes, which triggers the mac to shut down the interface altogether, oddly[18:07:39] * sstallion_work sighs.[18:07:49] <sstallion_work> is anyone a moderator on -announce?[18:08:32] <taemun> I should presume that someone is, yes[18:10:23] *** hsp has quit IRC[18:12:20] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[18:13:17] <sstallion_work> taemun: yge is relatively new to ON.[18:13:30] <taemun> oki[18:13:45] <taemun> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=13610[18:13:46] <taemun> only thing in google[18:13:49] <sstallion_work> I'd tell you who the responsible engineer was, but he might smack me ;D[18:13:52] <taemun> doesn't seem ... completely related[18:13:56] <taemun> gdamore?[18:14:14] <gdamore> yes?[18:14:14] * taemun waves[18:14:22] <taemun> sorry, I didn't actually mean to highlight you[18:14:27] <taemun> I was talking to sstallion_work[18:14:49] <sstallion_work> taemun: have you looked at the source at all?[18:15:01] <taemun> I'm an end user kinda guy[18:15:02] <taemun> (no)[18:15:06] <steven43126> hm ok a bit closer this time but get error on zpool attach http://pastebin.com/51RVT0RN[18:15:06] <sstallion_work> gotcha[18:15:30] <sstallion_work> have you tried to narrow the cause down at all? is there a particular condition which triggers this behavior?[18:15:43] <lblume> taemun: Have you tried the official Marvell driver? Though I had a lot of grief with it as well.[18:15:52] <tsoome> you are making rpool mirror?[18:16:03] <steven43126> tsoome: yes, well trying ;)[18:16:09] <gdamore> I wouldn't trust the "official" marvell driver farther than I could throw it.[18:16:13] <taemun> lblume: no, I hadn't realised there was one[18:16:21] <gdamore> and since its some 64KLOC, I probably couldn't throw it too far.[18:16:25] <steven43126> followed this guide http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/10/18/zfs-boot-mirror-setup/[18:16:29] <gdamore> s/64KLOC/62KLOC/[18:16:34] <tsoome> if so, and you are 100% sure thats correct disk to attach, then you can just ignore that error and use -f, thats perfectly ok[18:16:35] <taemun> sstallion_work: it seems to be linked with packet flow in *both* directions at the same time[18:16:40] <taemun> downstream at 124MB/s is fine[18:16:46] <taemun> upstream at 124MB/s is fine[18:16:55] <taemun> both at 1MB/s, and I get dmesg ... messages[18:17:00] <gdamore> that said, "yge" is a bit immature still. Its derived from BSD code.[18:17:12] <sstallion_work> gdamore: thats... crazy. DLPI?[18:17:13] <tsoome> as with vtoc table, you always have overlapping slice s2[18:17:14] <taemun> (yes, I realise that there is still flow from the ACK's but anyway)[18:17:17] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[18:17:29] <gdamore> yeah, pure DLPI, but that's only part of the story.[18:17:31] <sstallion_work> ugh[18:17:31] <steven43126> tsoome: ok, but just so i know a bit more exactly what does the error mean ? i know s2 is the whole disk ?[18:17:48] <sstallion_work> gdamore: speaking of which, I'm thinking efe might come in under 1.5KLOC[18:17:53] <gdamore> i was originally asked to convert their code to GLDv3.[18:17:55] *** alanst has quit IRC[18:17:59] <tsoome> yes, since s2 id from 0 to $, it will always overlap with any other slice[18:18:02] <gdamore> Gave up after about a week... too ugly.[18:18:05] <taemun> dare I ask why 62KLOC is a nasty word?[18:18:05] <sstallion_work> *nod*[18:18:08] <tsoome> s/id/is/[18:18:11] <steven43126> tsoome: so s0 will always overlap s2 ...[18:18:12] <sstallion_work> DLPI -> GLD would be a PITA[18:18:24] <gdamore> 62,000 lines of code. yge is about 4,000 IIRC.[18:18:29] <tsoome> yes, thats perfectly ok, since s2 is never used for data[18:18:29] <taemun> ah lol[18:18:57] <gdamore> efe coming in under 1.5 KLOC is good. :-)[18:19:08] <steven43126> tsoome: ok, many thanks, are there any other slices with special meaning[18:19:10] <tsoome> it will provide method to be able to access any part of your disk, to install fdisk partition program etc[18:19:14] <gdamore> I don't know what the smallest NIC driver is... that might be it.[18:19:17] <sstallion_work> fortunately its a pure-MII (or will be) device - between misc/mii and misc/mac, theres nothing fun to do ;D[18:19:27] <tsoome> in x86, the last 2 are.[18:19:29] <steven43126> tsoome: ignore that, just found a reference page online[18:19:31] <gdamore> that was the point of MII. :-p[18:19:50] <gdamore> or rather misc/mii.[18:20:00] <sstallion_work> the EEPROM bit banging was pretty straight-forward as well. at this point, I'm finishing up the DMA bits, and it will be finished.[18:20:05] <steven43126> maybe worth adding to smrt ? http://multiboot.solaris-x86.org/iv/3.html[18:20:07] <lblume> taemun: There is, and rather neatly packaged. I'm still using it on S10, should work fine on osol, though you might better uninstall yge first.[18:20:27] <taemun> lblume: oki thanks[18:20:35] <sstallion_work> gdamore: althought I did have a question - was mii_reset intended as a callback, or as an entry point?[18:20:41] <sstallion_work> although rather[18:21:36] <gdamore> mii_reset is a function, which when called resets the MII state machine.[18:21:36] <sstallion_work> actually, scratch that, I'll just open up mii.h again - I had forgotten you actually documented the interface ;)[18:21:47] <sstallion_work> sorry, I might the mii_reset entry in the mii_ops struct[18:22:06] <sstallion_work> s/might/meant/[18:22:08] * sstallion_work needs coffee[18:22:10] <gdamore> oh, right.[18:22:32] *** stewart has quit IRC[18:22:39] <gdamore> you should try hard not to use mii_reset, if possible. most devices don't need it.[18:22:42] <sstallion_work> gotcha[18:23:03] <sstallion_work> there is CSR support for kicking over the PHY - didn't know if that was strictly needed. If not, I'll keep it out.[18:23:08] <gdamore> the ones that do usually have some incestuous relationship between the MAC and the PHY. (Marvell... certain afe devices with builtin PHYs.)[18:23:18] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[18:23:27] <sstallion_work> yeah, I dug through afe a bit - afe_mii_reset was a tad ugly.[18:23:56] <gdamore> you don't need it.... mii_reset is called by the framework *after* the PHY has been reset using the MII register.[18:24:02] <sstallion_work> gotcha[18:24:16] <sstallion_work> so should just strictly be MAC cleanup then[18:24:21] <sstallion_work> (which I don't have to care about)[18:24:27] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[18:24:28] <gdamore> right.[18:24:57] <gdamore> afe is ugly because of the crappy fiber option available on some cards. I'm not even sure it works properly... I finally got some NICs to test it with, but I have not had time.[18:24:58] <sstallion_work> efe has been surprisingly easy to write - its definitely been a nice change over re.[18:25:22] <gdamore> part of that is probably due to increased experience on your part. :-)[18:25:24] <sstallion_work> its a shame the chip never really took off - its been a great device.[18:25:30] <sstallion_work> very likely ;)[18:25:53] *** tindasz has joined #opensolaris[18:25:55] *** DataStream has quit IRC[18:25:57] <gdamore> actually, i'm partial to the admtek devices. for the most part, they are really, really nice 100 Mbps parts.[18:26:12] <sstallion_work> multicast will need a fair bit of testing - the spec didn't mention which 6 bits should be used for the hash, so I went with the lower-order set for now[18:26:15] *** gebi has quit IRC[18:26:36] <gdamore> ok... that should be "fun".... NICDRV is good catching multicast problems.[18:26:43] <sstallion_work> *nod*[18:26:51] <sstallion_work> the BSD drivers attempted to be entirely too clever, so it wasn't overly clear.[18:27:03] <sstallion_work> so for now, I just mask it off[18:27:21] <gdamore> sure.[18:27:33] <sstallion_work> s/I/I'll/[18:27:35] *** ku0n has quit IRC[18:27:57] *** lesterc` has joined #opensolaris[18:28:11] <sstallion_work> It looked like the BSD bits relied on a BE CRC checksum instead of native-endianess[18:28:20] <effnorwood> sstallion_work: we're going to make you start using regex for those subs pretty soon :)[18:28:21] <sstallion_work> so that would flip a shift into a mask[18:28:27] <lesterc`> can some one here help me to troubleshoot a boot problem on a new box?[18:28:30] <sstallion_work> effnorwood: sed works just fine for me[18:29:03] <effnorwood> sstallion_work: i raise your sed and throw in an awk[18:29:03] <lesterc`> boot hang after displaying the copyright notice[18:29:17] <sstallion_work> effnorwood: awk is for weenies who don't take the time to learn sed :P[18:29:31] <effnorwood> sstallion_work: careful vi boy :)[18:29:31] *** paq has joined #opensolaris[18:29:42] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: you saw my pastebin the other day, surely? ;)[18:29:51] <paq> Howdy[18:30:07] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: probably, but I'm getting forgetful these days :P[18:30:23] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: http://nopaste.info/4d231a531a.html[18:30:34] <[lewellyn]> can you that more simply with sed? ;)[18:30:36] <paq> Any idea why cat or vi would stall my SSH terminal ?[18:30:46] <[lewellyn]> paq: wrong $TERM maybe?[18:31:26] <paq> Dunno, it works fine locally[18:31:32] <paq> It's a fresh snv_134 install[18:31:48] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: possibly (with support bits like cut), but definitely not as quickly :D[18:31:48] <[lewellyn]> ok. let me rephrase...[18:31:59] <[lewellyn]> what are you using for your ssh terminal?[18:32:03] * sstallion_work &[18:32:10] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: yeah. awk was cleaner :)[18:32:36] <paq> Mac OS X's Terminal.app[18:32:50] <[lewellyn]> ok. that's broken in more ways than you can count :P[18:32:57] <[lewellyn]> i can't find a good $TERM for that piece of shit :([18:33:11] <paq> :/[18:33:15] <tomww> is xterm or such available?[18:33:21] <lesterc`> dterm works pretty good for me.[18:33:25] <[lewellyn]> tomww: if you use X11.app yes[18:33:30] <[lewellyn]> lesterc`: which then has BCE issues[18:33:35] <paq> It worked fine in snv_132[18:33:40] <effnorwood> paq - try this since you're on 134 "chmod 666 /dev/ptmx"[18:33:40] <lesterc`> dtterm i mean[18:34:03] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:34:05] <effnorwood> that fixed the same wonky problem for me[18:34:26] <[lewellyn]> i'm really not sure what apple's targeting with Terminal.app, since it doesn't seem to work for most things that need a fully-featured terminal definition :([18:34:29] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:34:47] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:35:04] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: that is the "fix" for the pty bug, i thought.[18:35:08] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[18:35:22] <[lewellyn]> and the pty bug tends to show up as "everything's on one line and then i get disconnected!" i thought[18:35:34] <lesterc`> [lewellyn]: well i would rather to have a usable shell than a fast but broken one[18:35:40] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: yes, it is and for whatever reason it also fixed my slowness over ssh[18:35:50] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:35:55] <effnorwood> or i was imagining it[18:36:00] <paq> It doesn't seem to work :/[18:36:04] <[lewellyn]> lesterc`: the problem is that the app's just broken. dtterm just breaks other things when you run them[18:36:05] <effnorwood> hmmmm[18:36:09] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: did you file a bug? :P[18:36:16] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[18:36:20] *** swift has quit IRC[18:36:28] <effnorwood> bug. bug. now, what's a bug?[18:36:45] <paq> :)[18:36:52] <effnorwood> paq - maybe you want to file a bug[18:36:54] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: try this: TERM=tty cat /path/to/some/large/file[18:36:58] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[18:37:03] <[lewellyn]> er\[18:37:07] <[lewellyn]> paq: try that :)[18:37:13] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: oh thanks, i'll add that right now[18:37:29] <taemun> [lewellyn]: putty copes with that, but you can get PuTTy written quite a bit in the output[18:37:32] <paq> I am currently set to xterm-color[18:37:33] <taemun> and the title changes[18:37:39] <effnorwood> i have a 112GB vmdk file, i'll use that one first[18:37:57] <[lewellyn]> paq: try that command line, then i'll suggest something more if it works ;)[18:38:03] <[lewellyn]> taemun: ?[18:38:22] <taemun> [lewellyn]: sorry, some time ago I recall talking about ssh/whatever bugs with you[18:38:30] <taemun> resizing an ssh session whilst vi is open, etc[18:38:31] * [lewellyn] doesn't remember[18:38:36] <taemun> I'm not fussed[18:38:49] <[lewellyn]> oh. just update your terminal databases and use xterm, for putty ;)[18:38:59] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[18:39:59] <paq> [lewellyn]: Nope, when I cat something the cursor just stays there[18:41:23] <[lewellyn]> paq: :([18:41:34] <[lewellyn]> all i can suggest is to try something better than Terminal.app[18:41:35] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:41:48] <paq> [lewellyn]: Will do[18:42:11] <paq> The only weird thing is that it seemed to work fine before creating a dual-10Gb aggregate[18:42:16] <[lewellyn]> lots of people like iTerm and i've been using Terminator lately (the java app, not the gnome one)[18:42:53] <[lewellyn]> well, try a new app and see if that helps. if nothing else, you'll hopefully end up with something that overall works better ;)[18:43:03] * [lewellyn] heads off to start the next phase of his day[18:43:15] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[18:43:41] <paq> Yeah iTerm is not too bad ... will download it again[18:43:42] *** [lewellyn] has quit IRC[18:43:59] <paq> Thanks for the help[18:44:46] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[18:44:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[18:45:21] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[18:45:46] *** falconn19 has quit IRC[18:46:44] <Alasdairrr> Hmm, on this b129 box, adding an ibg interface to a bridge causes a kernel panic[18:48:53] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[18:50:23] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:50:43] <lewellyn> paq: also, btw[18:50:50] <tsoome> you may wanna try to upgrade first:D[18:50:54] <lewellyn> smrt: explain $TERM[18:50:55] <smrt> OpenSolaris still ships with old termcap/terminfo databases. You can manually fix it (exercise for the reader), you can wait for someone else to fix it for everyone, or you can try a third-party script: http://su.pr/6SJzaX You really don't want to start changing your $TERM around unless you know you need to, really. See also: http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#xterm_terminfo[18:52:03] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[18:52:23] <paq> lewellyn: It blocks even with iTerm ... weird[18:52:56] <lewellyn> paq: file a bug :) though i have no clue what the bug report should say or what it should be filed against :([18:53:16] <lewellyn> anyhow. gotta reboot one more windows server and then head to a client site. have fun :P[18:53:27] <paq> I will try with another snv_134 VMware install first ;)[18:53:33] <paq> Yep, thanks![18:53:56] <lesterc`> night all - will figure out how to boot up a H55 board later...[18:54:26] *** eXeC001er has joined #opensolaris[18:55:26] *** lblume has quit IRC[18:56:14] *** stewart has quit IRC[18:57:20] <Alasdairrr> hmm this crossbow stuff is a bit buggy[18:58:29] <eXeC001er> Can Opensolaris load bzip2-compessed miniroot ? or gzip only?[18:59:02] *** timsf has quit IRC[18:59:13] *** lesterc` has quit IRC[19:00:36] *** ozux has quit IRC[19:01:51] *** tindasz has quit IRC[19:02:03] <effnorwood> lewellyn: it sure is taking me a long time to log in now[19:02:43] *** Erwann has quit IRC[19:03:10] <paq> lewellyn: Well, it is working fine with a base snv_134 install[19:03:22] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[19:03:22] <paq> lewellyn: Somehow the link aggregate is breaking ssh[19:04:05] <effnorwood> paq - is it a plain old create-aggr or an lacp aggr?[19:04:11] *** jmcp has quit IRC[19:04:25] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[19:04:26] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[19:04:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[19:04:35] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[19:04:50] *** djl1 has joined #opensolaris[19:05:10] *** djl1 has left #opensolaris[19:05:33] <paq> effnorwood: It is an LACP with Level 2 Policy[19:08:44] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[19:09:03] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[19:09:59] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[19:09:59] *** tg has quit IRC[19:10:10] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[19:11:04] <paq> effnorwood: Hrmm! I enabled L2,L3 (MAC and IP) instead of only MAC policy and now it freezes but I can control-C out of it[19:11:11] <paq> effnorwood: And get back the shell[19:12:20] <paq> effnorwood: Nope, my bad .. I can control-C out of cat but vi I am stuck[19:13:24] *** xapiens has quit IRC[19:13:57] *** whitey has joined #opensolaris[19:14:18] *** whitey is now known as mikeh[19:14:20] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:14:33] *** mikeh is now known as whiteyOS[19:15:03] *** tindasz has joined #opensolaris[19:15:20] <effnorwood> paq: hmmm - what about -P L4?[19:16:31] *** niq has quit IRC[19:17:56] *** error has joined #opensolaris[19:19:19] *** tindasz has quit IRC[19:23:34] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[19:23:58] *** tindasz has joined #opensolaris[19:25:35] *** error has quit IRC[19:25:44] *** MrNuage has joined #opensolaris[19:26:33] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:26:59] *** milek_ has quit IRC[19:27:29] *** quan_ has joined #opensolaris[19:28:27] *** tindasz has quit IRC[19:28:40] <quan_> hey guys. im currently using opensolaris on my home file server and whenever I attempt to load up the server I get the error message "Missing operating system." - does anyone know how to fix this problem?[19:29:40] <eviljames> I'd expect installing grub would help.[19:30:57] <quan_> its been working perfectly until a couple of days ago. ive tried installing the latest SNV via DVD and it hangs at "Subject to use of copyright". do you have any idea what this is about? and how to fix it?[19:31:45] *** mikefut has quit IRC[19:31:46] <eviljames> Nope, none.[19:32:44] *** merzo has quit IRC[19:32:53] <quan_> hmm okay, thanks mate. if anyone knows then let me know please. my servers been down for 3 days now :S[19:33:15] <quan_> am i asking in the right channel btw?[19:33:50] <eviljames> Yeah, it sounds like it. Is it possible that your BIOS re-ordered your drives, or is looking somewhere inappropriate for the rootfs?[19:35:36] *** p3rror has quit IRC[19:39:24] <Beket> hey people, what do I need again to compile a POSIX pthread program ?[19:39:33] <Beket> some -DMAGIC_VAR[19:40:50] <Beket> thanks alanc ! I couldn't remember what man page mentionts it[19:40:52] <Beket> thanks![19:41:07] <alanc> I don't remember either - I just looked in a nearby Makefile[19:41:38] <sstallion_work> Beket: man Intro[19:43:39] <Beket> thanks[19:43:51] *** deet has quit IRC[19:43:52] *** enderst_ is now known as enderst[19:45:50] <quan_> ahh eviljames yes. i installed a new BIOs so im trying to reinstall opensolaris using a live CD, but it hangs at the following message: SunOS Release 5.11 Version snv_134 64-bit // Copyright 1983-2010 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved. // Use is subject to license terms[19:46:40] <quan_> does anyone have or know of the same problem? and does anyone have a solution? i cant seem to get past that message :S[19:46:43] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[19:47:43] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[19:48:25] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[19:48:55] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[19:48:56] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[19:52:51] <paq> effnorwood: Same thing with L4[19:52:58] <effnorwood> paq: hmmmm[19:53:11] <paq> effnorwood: Sorry they had lemon pie at the cafeteria :)[19:53:17] <effnorwood> lol[19:54:02] <effnorwood> that's ok because i'm out of ideas now[19:54:15] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[19:55:07] <Alasdairrr> have any of you lot played around with bridges and etherstubs?[19:55:31] *** eleusis has quit IRC[19:55:45] <paq> effnorwood: Weird stuff ... I am playing with a VM snv_134 now to see if it could be related to the aggregate[19:56:12] <paq> Alasdairrr: No, sorry![19:56:22] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:56:27] <Alasdairrr> I'm getting very fed up with it not working :<[19:56:28] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:56:48] <quan_> does anyone have any idea why the opensolaris live cd boot hangs at the "Use is subject to license terms" message?[19:56:56] <Alasdairrr> quan_: have you enabled verbose boot?[19:57:12] <Alasdairrr> it probably doesn't like some aspect of your computer[19:57:13] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[19:57:13] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[19:57:21] <Alasdairrr> verbose boot may show you at which point it's hanging[19:58:20] <quan_> ah sorry how do i enable verbose boot?[19:58:24] <Alasdairrr> Google opensolaris verbose boot[19:58:42] <quan_> alright thanks[19:59:10] <Alasdairrr> you'll have to appreciate we get a lot of people coming in asking the same questions over and over so we try to teach people how to find answers for themselves rather than just hand the answers out on a plate[19:59:21] <quan_> yeah i understand[19:59:23] *** ravenslay3r has joined #opensolaris[19:59:27] <Alasdairrr> cool beans![19:59:28] *** dalibor has quit IRC[20:01:04] <quan_> i read somewhere about "Sun Device Detection Tool" and "Solaris Operating System for x86 Installation Check Tool". do you reckon they're worth checking out?[20:01:32] <Alasdairrr> I'm not sure how helpful they'd be with a boot hang[20:02:11] <quan_> ah alright.[20:02:32] <quan_> can you use verbose boot when booting off a live cd?[20:02:41] <Alasdairrr> i would have thought so yeah[20:02:45] <Alasdairrr> you just edit the grub boot menu[20:02:50] <whiteyOS> quan: have you tried a live cd for any other OS to see if everything fails to boot to rule out hardware fail[20:03:21] <quan_> whiteyOS: nope. ill try that thanks[20:03:48] <quan_> alasdairrr: ah right cheers[20:03:53] <whiteyOS> quan_:verbose booting might show what is hanging too. Thats been helpful to me in the past[20:04:01] <Alasdairrr> Is it opensolaris 2009.06 you're booting?[20:04:12] <quan_> yeah the latest SNV[20:04:53] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:05:24] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[20:05:32] *** datadigger has joined #opensolaris[20:06:21] <quan_> ill try out verbose mode thanks[20:06:54] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[20:07:31] *** jfisc has quit IRC[20:08:16] <Beket> how do we examine core files ?[20:08:39] <quan_> verbose mode doesnt seem to be telling me any useful information as to why the boot is hanging. ill try booting a different os live cd[20:09:04] <CosmicDJ> Beket: p* utilities (pfiles, pstack etc should work with core files), gdb, mdb, dbx, ...[20:09:14] <Beket> thanks CosmicDJ[20:10:02] *** Calibellus_ has joined #opensolaris[20:10:34] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[20:15:11] *** kjetilho_ is now known as kjetilho[20:16:04] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[20:16:09] *** n1c0b has left #opensolaris[20:18:16] *** echobinary1 has quit IRC[20:18:18] *** strato_ has quit IRC[20:18:24] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[20:18:40] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[20:19:24] *** echobinary has quit IRC[20:22:19] *** chilicuil1 has quit IRC[20:22:30] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[20:22:39] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[20:23:06] *** korr has joined #opensolaris[20:23:14] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[20:23:29] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:24:00] *** mmealling1 has quit IRC[20:24:53] *** Calibellus_ has quit IRC[20:25:36] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[20:26:12] <korr> hi, when i send a compressed and dedupped zfs snapshot to an extern drive/tape will it be uncompressed, or will it use the same space as in the filesystem?[20:26:39] *** Calibellus_ has joined #opensolaris[20:26:46] * RoyK just got his 12TB test system back from service and has enabled dedup and started filling it up with a shitload of satellite data - not best for dedup, but I'll do some nasty stuff with it to try to provoke the failure where nfs mounts hangs for hours at boot[20:26:58] *** z11k has quit IRC[20:27:01] *** TomJ has quit IRC[20:27:20] <RoyK> korr: it'll be deduped unless you have a smart way to do zfs send to that tape[20:27:22] <Stric> korr: zfs send's are uncompressed.[20:27:52] <ivo_> guys if install 2010.03 when it is ready and then buy support from oracle, will oracle have the current IPS debugged and ready to use in the support repository?[20:28:19] <RoyK> ivo_: I think you'll have to ask oracle about that[20:28:36] <ivo_> here are some guys that work for oracle I think[20:28:42] <ivo_> thats why I am asking here[20:29:22] <Alasdairrr> What makes you think there will be a debugged version of IPS in the support repo?[20:29:36] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[20:29:42] <ivo_> It will be nice[20:29:51] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[20:29:52] <ivo_> to have a current and stable system[20:29:54] <ivo_> :)[20:30:30] <Alasdairrr> I'm a little confused about your question. Are you asking if Oracle will be providing support contracts for 2010.03?[20:30:44] *** winstonw0 has joined #opensolaris[20:30:48] <ivo_> No I am sure that they will[20:30:56] <ivo_> as sun did for 2009.06[20:30:57] <Stric> So what is your question?[20:30:58] <RoyK> Alasdairrr: they (or Sun) do for 2009.06, so why not?[20:31:06] <Stric> "debugged and ready to use" ..?[20:31:17] <ivo_> but the question is if I'll still have a current system[20:31:20] <korr> is ther a way to get a backup of a filesystem to a tape without uncompression und undepulicating it? like clone the disk in raw mode? i dont want to have the backup twice as big as the actual server[20:31:21] <ivo_> if I buy support[20:31:33] <ivo_> or will be stuck with sime respin of 134[20:31:44] <Alasdairrr> The port security fixes and critical bugfixes to /support[20:31:58] <Alasdairrr> And if you have a support contract you can raise bugs and get them fixed and published to /support[20:32:24] <RoyK> ivo_: I guess you might have to reinstall it, but then, send them an email and ask. the zpools will probably be usable, though[20:32:29] <Alasdairrr> Here's a list of all the bugs fixed in the latest 2009.06 update: http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-68-nv_osol0906u9-1[20:33:29] <Alasdairrr> Typically with /support you get bug fixes and security updates, but not new features.[20:34:10] <ivo_> so I guess I have to stick with IPS until the next release[20:34:29] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[20:34:30] <Alasdairrr> IPS is a package management system[20:34:40] <Alasdairrr> You're stuck with it in all conditions unless you use SXCE or Solaris 10 :)[20:34:41] <ivo_> ON 137, IPS 134[20:34:44] <ivo_> from the topic[20:35:01] *** Calibellus_ has quit IRC[20:36:16] <Alasdairrr> Well you're not stuck as such. You have 3 options. You either use official releases (2009.06/2010.03/etc) without support. Or you use official releases with paid support. Or you use nevada builds from the /dev repo.[20:36:26] *** Calibellus_ has joined #opensolaris[20:37:11] <ivo_> I want to use an official release, but I need some features that are not in 2010.03[20:37:17] <ivo_> and will come soon[20:37:24] <ivo_> such as zfs crypto[20:37:27] <Alasdairrr> Ahh[20:37:41] <ivo_> and I also need the new interrupt free audio[20:37:52] <ivo_> with a driver for my asus xonar[20:37:55] <Alasdairrr> Then yes you're stuck with /dev until the next release after 2010.03, probably 2010.H2 or 2011.H1[20:38:00] <RoyK> is zfs crypto scheduled for 2010.xx?[20:38:05] <ivo_> it should be available soon[20:38:47] <ivo_> RoyK no[20:39:01] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[20:39:21] *** Calibellus_ has quit IRC[20:39:34] *** Calibellus_ has joined #opensolaris[20:39:37] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[20:39:53] *** tg has quit IRC[20:40:03] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[20:40:11] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[20:41:08] <Alasdairrr> On a different topic, is there a smaller cluster than entire@ that doesn't include Gnome/X/et al?[20:41:23] <Alasdairrr> Something more akin to SUNWCcore on Sol10[20:41:58] <Alasdairrr> Sucking down 900MB every time I do a new boot environment is annoying for a box that just does xVM[20:42:09] *** fedreric has quit IRC[20:42:22] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[20:43:38] <RoyK> Alasdairrr: erm - isn't that just a new clone? if so, it won't eat much[20:44:06] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:44:20] <Alasdairrr> If you do "beadm create blah; beadm mount blan /mnt; pkg -R /mnt install entire at 0 dot 5.11-0.XXX" then it sucks down 900MB or so depending on which release you're flipping between[20:45:35] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[20:45:55] <Alasdairrr> When you install a Zone it seems to suck down a much smaller subset of software[20:45:56] <RoyK> Alasdairrr: using dedup?[20:46:22] <Alasdairrr> This isn't at the filesystem level, I'm talking about the files it has to download from the pkg server[20:47:20] <RoyK> if the files/blocks exist in the pool, dedup may help[20:47:31] *** an0key has joined #opensolaris[20:47:46] <Alasdairrr> If dedupe can somehow dedupe the bytes before they leave the pkg server over the internet, that would be great ;)[20:48:02] *** stewart has quit IRC[20:48:16] <RoyK> oh, you mean the link....[20:48:26] <Alasdairrr> The thing is, if I install OpenSolaris 2009.06 from CD, it installs Gnome/X/Firefox/etc. I don't really want that stuff, but I don't have time/energy to figure out Automated Installer. I found a minimisation script that the immutable service containers project uses that strips all that crap out - great. However if you create a new boot environment and install entire@ it's all back again[20:48:30] <RoyK> why not setup a fresh VM and then just make a clone ofthat each time?[20:48:46] <Alasdairrr> RoyK i think you're completely misunderstanding[20:48:57] <RoyK> that's entirely possibly[20:49:05] <RoyK> possible, even[20:49:20] <Alasdairrr> I'm talking about IPS metaclusters (or incorporations i think they're called). What i'm saying is "entire@" is an enormous metacluster with lots of stuff a lot of people don't need.[20:49:43] <Alasdairrr> It would be nice if there was a smaller metacluster, like "core@" which contains a lot less stuff, like the SUNWCcore cluster from Solaris 10[20:49:49] *** gebi_ has joined #opensolaris[20:50:16] <Alasdairrr> If you get my drift[20:50:20] <RoyK> Alasdairrr: sorry, you're right, I have no idea[20:50:20] <Alasdairrr> And hey an0key ;)[20:50:53] <an0key> Hey Alasdairrr, thought I'd come see if someone has any tips on getting my retchid raid card/disks detected :)[20:50:56] <quan_> back to square one :S[20:51:05] <Alasdairrr> What raid card is it?[20:51:16] <an0key> Adaptec 2810SA[20:51:19] <Alasdairrr> Ha :)[20:51:28] <Alasdairrr> Give up - get an LSI card ;)[20:51:36] *** gebi has quit IRC[20:51:43] <an0key> or just move back to linux :P[20:51:45] <quan_> does anyone know why the opensolaris live cd boot hangs at the "Use is subject to license terms" message?[20:51:57] <RoyK> or just a supermicro card doing jbod and let zfs do the rest?[20:52:06] <an0key> but alas, I wanted to play with opensolaris and the zfs goodies[20:52:12] <Alasdairrr> the supermicro cards use the LSI chipset[20:52:17] <RoyK> ok[20:52:23] <Alasdairrr> they're good and cheap[20:52:23] * an0key doesn't want to buy anything new...[20:52:40] <RoyK> an0key: they cost like $100 for an eight-porter[20:53:08] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[20:53:22] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[20:53:26] <Alasdairrr> It's one of those things unfortunately - OpenSolaris supports a rather specific set of raid cards/SAS HBAs/SATA Chipsets out there[20:53:51] <an0key> RoyK: see my previous message, then that's $100 too expensive ;)[20:53:56] *** korr has quit IRC[20:54:13] <RoyK> an0key: you won't be able to use that with osol, sorry[20:54:15] <an0key> Might rethink my method then, and virtualise OS, and do it that way[20:54:20] <Alasdairrr> LSI based SAS controllers are safe bets - they're PCIe too so high performance. SuperMicro do a Marvell MV8 card that's PCI-X. Intel ICH9/10 SATA chipsets are supported and they're on a lot of motherboards[20:54:35] <taemun> supermicro also do loads of rebranded LSI pcie cards[20:54:51] <taemun> 1068e, 1078, "sas2010" based things[20:54:52] <RoyK> Alasdairrr: I thought the PCIe supermicro cards weren't supported[20:54:56] <quan_> anyone know why the opensolaris svn_134 live cd is hanging at the "Use is subject to license terms" message?[20:54:58] <RoyK> I just use the PCIx ones now[20:55:05] *** dunc has quit IRC[20:55:15] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[20:55:17] <taemun> RoyK: the supermicro l8i is just a lsi 1068 card[20:55:18] <Alasdairrr> RoyK: If it's a PCIe card with an LSI 3081/3041 chipset on it, it doesn't matter who made the card[20:55:25] <Alasdairrr> or 1068[20:55:49] <Beket> Any idea why even if I pthread_cond_signal() a condition variable, the threads that are sleeping waiting on it aren't notified?[20:55:59] <taemun> (with the SMT bits on the wrong side of the PCB, and the pci bracket facing the wrong direction, but hey, no-ones perfect)[20:56:01] <RoyK> Alasdairrr: wasn't on the HCL last I checked[20:56:11] <Alasdairrr> RoyK: The cards aren't but the chipsets are[20:56:17] <RoyK> ok[20:56:38] *** jfisc has quit IRC[20:56:40] <RoyK> I guess I'll have the vendor test them for me - they're quite nice :)[20:57:14] <Alasdairrr> an0key: FreeBSD 8 has ZFS in it[20:57:26] <an0key> doesnt have dedup/snapshots I dont believe[20:57:39] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[20:57:54] <Alasdairrr> It'll have snapshots I'd have thought, but yeah might not have dedupe[20:58:29][20:58:43] <jbit> Alasdairrr: it's very useful for virtualized servers[20:58:54] <Alasdairrr> True[20:58:55] <andrnils> it is at version 14 in 8-STABLE and 13 in 8.0-RELEASE[20:58:58] <an0key> which is what I want to use it on[20:59:19] <an0key> why have 20vms in my lab, taking up 20xs the space, when I can reduce it quite a lot[20:59:24] <RoyK> I thought fbsd zfs development had halted[20:59:41] <andrnils> i sure hope not[20:59:44] <an0key> andrnils: dedup?[21:00:10] <RoyK> when did dedup come in again?[21:00:12] <andrnils> nope, that was added in 19, wasn't it?[21:00:36] <andrnils> i might be wrong there though[21:00:40] <RoyK> I spoke with some fbsd ppl and they said they were waiting for 2010.123 or something and then port the version of zfs in there[21:00:48] <Alasdairrr> 21[21:00:51] <Alasdairrr> possibly[21:01:07] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[21:01:26] <paq> I sure hope ZFS development hasn't halted in FreeBSD :/[21:01:32] <Alasdairrr> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/21[21:01:36] <Alasdairrr> Yeah, pool version 21[21:01:45] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:01:54] <Alasdairrr> This page describes the feature available with version 21 of the ZFS on-disk format. This version includes support for ZFS deduplication properties. Pool version 21 is available in this release: Nevada, build 128[21:01:57] <paq> We need another UNIX alternative supporting ZFS properly[21:02:32] <Beket> paq, it hasn't[21:02:41] <paq> WHEW :)[21:03:02] <andrnils> well, freebsd does properly support it, although not the latest versions[21:03:15] <paq> I'll be honest ... with all the quirks I am experiencing with OpenSolaris I am thinking about FreeBSD more and more[21:03:36] <Beket> freebsd is a contigency plan for me as well, but it's early[21:03:47] <paq> But I am after OS's kernel-based CIFS server functionalities :([21:03:51] <RoyK> I just hope the single-threadedness in certain parts of zfs will be adressed soon[21:04:12] <paq> I would like steer away from Samba[21:04:26] <andrnils> does osol support ipw6000?[21:04:43] <Alasdairrr> What's ipw6000?[21:04:45] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[21:04:52] <andrnils> intel pro wireless[21:04:55] <RoyK> well, samba works, but it doesn't perform very well compared to in-kernel cifs, but then, I don't really need that much performance[21:05:02] *** fOB has quit IRC[21:05:27] <andrnils> so a wlan card, rather new[21:05:31] <Alasdairrr> You can always buy an S7000 appliance for your CIFS/ZFS needs :)[21:05:39] <RoyK> most file servers are i/o dependant anyway[21:05:42] <paq> Well ... it is the only neat option against proprietary NAS enterprise solutions so far[21:06:03] <andrnils> the nexenta ones looks nice too[21:06:05] <paq> Alasdairrr: These are the plans .. but my plan B is building the NAS head with osol in the meantime[21:06:36] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[21:08:28] <mui> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6922161[21:08:41] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[21:09:00] <mui> cool they got that one[21:10:07] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[21:11:01] <TomJ> my God, Solaris is no longer free except for a 90 day trial. That's outrageous[21:12:55] *** TommyTheKid has quit IRC[21:13:54] <Alasdairrr> Aye[21:14:19] <Alasdairrr> Oracle have decided to monetise their IP investment[21:14:30] <Alasdairrr> How dare they ;)[21:14:33] <TomJ> This really isn't the way to do it[21:14:45] <Alasdairrr> They're certainly creating a lot of ill-will towards them[21:14:49] <Alasdairrr> *themselves[21:15:04] <TomJ> It's outrageous because it's terribly detrimental to Solaris. It'll result in fewer users, not more, and that has to eventually lead to less revenue, not more[21:15:22] <Alasdairrr> I agree, and Oracle doesn't seem to understand that.[21:15:33] <Alasdairrr> Larry just wants an OS to run Oracle on[21:15:33] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[21:15:52] *** deet has quit IRC[21:16:07] <TomJ> Solaris makes $500m a year in revenue, so it's not loose change. I can't imagine they want to destroy that[21:16:56] <Alasdairrr> They also cancelled the "request free shipping of OpenSolaris CDs" from the opensolaris website[21:17:16] <Alasdairrr> Although some people have optimistically suggested that it's just due to reorganisation reasons and it might return, but nobody really knows[21:17:17] <TomJ> yeah it was in reading that article that I found out about this S10 thing[21:17:44] <Alasdairrr> Have you read the "Call to Action" thread from Ben Rockwood in the OGB mailing list?[21:17:49] *** yippi has quit IRC[21:17:55] <TomJ> I've read about it, not it itself yet[21:17:56] <TomJ> I will[21:18:02] <Alasdairrr> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=127688&tstart=0[21:18:06] <TomJ> thanks[21:18:23] <tsoome> well, someone must pay for dvd and postal. at era where you can download and burn image, i dont really cry for missing "free" dvd[21:18:28] <Alasdairrr> I'm going to have a chat with Peter Tribble next week at LoSUG[21:18:47] <Alasdairrr> tsoome: Oracle provide free shipping of CDs for Unbreakable Linux[21:19:07] <tsoome> well. then you can draw exactly 1 conclusion.[21:19:32] <Alasdairrr> A lot of the behaviour hints that Oracle want Solaris for use in enterprise environments with enterprise customers.[21:19:38] <tsoome> whole purpose of buying sun was to kill it and get it out of the way.[21:19:48] <Alasdairrr> I don't think that's true at all[21:20:06] <tsoome> and no, i dont mean immediate kill.[21:20:06] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:20:07] <effnorwood> the one thing Larry never had to compete with Microsoft was an OS - now he does[21:20:21] *** balrog has joined #opensolaris[21:20:41] <Alasdairrr> I don't think Oracle give a monkeys about the desktop market[21:20:52] <effnorwood> not on the desktop :)[21:20:57] <tsoome> hp also got tru64 and alpa, now they are busy wiping off their own hpux.[21:21:18] <Alasdairrr> I think Oracle want to go head to head with IBM[21:21:23] <Alasdairrr> So it's Solaris vs AIX[21:22:07] <tsoome> at least fujitsu managed to create great cpu and it did not fall into hands of oracle.[21:22:35] <echobinary> Oracle is frakiking with OpenSol :([21:22:41] <echobinary> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/oracle_ends_free_opensolaris_cd_shipping/[21:23:12] <Alasdairrr> What people seem to be realising is that while OpenSolaris is "open source", it's not developed by the open source community[21:23:13] <echobinary> "Oracle has also tweaked the OpenSolaris download license so that the OS can only be used for 90 days - unless you purchase a service contract."[21:23:19] <Alasdairrr> It's developed and paid for by Sun/Oracle[21:23:34] <tsoome> echobinary: that last one is lie and fud[21:23:41] <effnorwood> now, tell me how i can actually buy that service contract[21:23:43] <echobinary> tsoome: oh?[21:23:44] <Stric> echobinary: Um. That one is about Solaris, not OpenSolaris.[21:23:53] <effnorwood> ah[21:24:01] <echobinary> it says "opensolaris" though[21:24:04] <echobinary> its a lie?[21:24:09] <Alasdairrr> That's the register for you[21:24:12] <Alasdairrr> They don't care about facts[21:24:14] <tsoome> dont believe everything what they write[21:24:22] <echobinary> I hope it's a lie[21:24:41] <Alasdairrr> If Oracle stop contributing source code to the OpenSolaris community, OpenSolaris is in serious trouble.[21:24:49] <rkeene> Hee hee.[21:25:04] <causality> so opensolaris is limited to 90 days now too?[21:25:15] <Alasdairrr> No - Solaris 10 is limited to 90 day trial[21:25:22] <Alasdairrr> Nothing has changed with OpenSolaris[21:25:35] <Alasdairrr> Except that you can't get a support contract for OpenSolaris on non-Sun/Oracle hardware any more[21:25:36] <causality> thats not what theregister article above said[21:25:54] <causality> "Oracle has also tweaked the OpenSolaris download license so that the OS can only be used for 90 days - unless you purchase a service contract."[21:25:57] <Alasdairrr> The Register are full of bullshit - check their citations/references.[21:26:03] <jbk> yes, and if someone at sun sneezes, the register immediately has an article that sun is engaging in germ warfare[21:26:17] <Alasdairrr> The author of the article doesn't understand the difference between Solaris and OpenSolaris[21:26:34] <causality> notify them, they will edit the article[21:26:40] <tsoome> in fact, the linux crowd is scared to death by opensolaris progression, and they will do all do spred fud[21:26:51] <jbk> well i suspect it's more ibm[21:27:04] <jbk> by proxy[21:27:09] <jbk> but that's just a wild guess[21:27:10] <echobinary> lolbm[21:27:42] <Jondice> i was under the impression IBM was kind of OS-neutral[21:27:52] <causality> ibm have various o/s products[21:27:54] <jbk> well i've rarely seem them competitive on cost or performance, they're just really good about making executives feel good about themselves[21:28:18] <longcat> So uh at least they haven't added key code like sco unix had[21:28:20] <longcat> ...yet[21:28:40] <longcat> Soon there will be Solaris cracked isos floating around.[21:28:51] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[21:29:04] *** LadySerena has quit IRC[21:29:56] <Stric> "Thanks for that. Your comments have been sent to Cade Metz."[21:30:02] <Stric> notified about the mixup.[21:30:33] *** z11k_ has joined #opensolaris[21:31:30] <mui> geez whats wrong with ppl[21:31:44] <causality> lots is wrong with ppl.[21:31:51] <mui> osol-discuss seems trolled up[21:31:53] *** kforbz has joined #opensolaris[21:32:03] <Alasdairrr> I've posted a comment on that Register article, lets see if they approve it[21:32:45] <Alasdairrr> IBM (and HP) were phoning up Sun customers around the time news broke of the Oracle deal trying to spread FUD and win business[21:32:48] <Alasdairrr> It was quite disgusting[21:32:50] *** stewart has quit IRC[21:33:04] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[21:33:06] <mui> yep[21:33:08] <causality> do you contribute to opensolaris, Alasdairrr?[21:33:08] <Meths> I used the contact author form so I didn't have to register for comments. Between the two we should get through.[21:33:18] *** micols has quit IRC[21:33:29] <causality> i had to corrrect a register article when i lost hotmail.co.uk[21:33:31] <Alasdairrr> No - but my company use it (well Solaris 10 mostly) heavily[21:33:34] <causality> and some local idiot registered it[21:34:13] <Alasdairrr> And I go to the LoSUG meetings, and gave the last talk about cloud computing[21:34:14] <echobinary> you are in DC?[21:34:21] <echobinary> I live in Germantown[21:34:23] <echobinary> whee[21:34:24] <Alasdairrr> London[21:34:27] * echobinary waves[21:34:34] <Alasdairrr> *waves back*[21:34:37] <causality> it's a london thing[21:34:52] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[21:35:54] <Alasdairrr> Are any of you in London?[21:36:30] <Stric> I was there a few weeks ago, if that counts?[21:36:56] <Alasdairrr> Sorta :)[21:37:13] <jbk> i've driven through london....ontario[21:37:14] <jbk> =][21:37:32] <Stric> Visiting the university.. they had crappy internet. Then we went to Madrid, visiting the largest ISP (Telefonica).. They had even crappier internet.[21:37:44] <sstallion_work> jbk: thats a neat trick :P[21:37:51] *** tg has quit IRC[21:37:51] *** MrNuage has left #opensolaris[21:37:53] <Stric> jbk: We have a London nearby in Sweden as well[21:38:05] <jbk> it was many years ago[21:38:14] <sstallion_work> jbk: sounds wet.[21:38:24] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[21:38:26] *** cudgel has quit IRC[21:38:35] <Stric> 13 of them in Sweden, one only a bunch of kilometers away from me..[21:38:44] <jbk> driving from my parents -> toronto[21:39:01] <jbk> well actually guelph[21:39:09] <jbk> then toronto[21:39:24] <sstallion_work> jbk: I'm guessing my joke didn't quite make it ;)[21:39:31] *** micols has joined #opensolaris[21:39:32] * sstallion_work was suggesting: ontario -> london[21:39:35] * trygvis has lived in guelph for a couple of summers[21:39:41] *** kforbz has left #opensolaris[21:39:48] <jbk> haha[21:39:57] <sstallion_work> jbk: how fresh is pcn in your mind?[21:40:03] <jbk> not very =][21:40:06] <sstallion_work> haha okay[21:40:15] <sstallion_work> at some point we should actually finish cge you know[21:40:31] <jbk> my mind has been busy learning a bunch of old rock & country soungs from the 50s and 60s[21:41:03] <jbk> (we're playing at the crawfish festival a week from saturday)[21:41:07] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:41:33] <effnorwood> echobinary: i am in DC[21:41:44] <effnorwood> well, baltimore technically[21:41:48] <effnorwood> well, this week anyhow :)[21:42:06] <sstallion_work> jbk: bah. contraband days is far superior ;)[21:42:08] <echobinary> effnorwood: gotcha :) how do you like "Charm City"?[21:42:18] <effnorwood> charmed[21:42:22] <echobinary> hahaaa[21:42:27] <echobinary> I was so charmed I moved out of it[21:42:30] <echobinary> a.s.a.p.[21:43:55] <effnorwood> i was just looking at the top 50 restaurants trying to figure out where to go[21:44:37] <sstallion_work> jbk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraband_Days[21:44:44] <jbk> hmm i wonder if we'll get free wristbands for the day[21:45:44] <Alasdairrr> The Register have silently fixed their article[21:45:55] <jbk> i just hope they actually serve more than crawfish there =][21:46:24] <echobinary> no they haven't?[21:46:43][21:47:51] <my007ms> what software i can use to have system image and it have to support zfs[21:47:54] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[21:47:58] *** astra-x has quit IRC[21:48:14] <echobinary> Alasdairrr: ahh so indeed - I had to refresh my cache[21:48:29] <Alasdairrr> They should fix it to say "Solaris 10" - they've left it ambiguous[21:48:29] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[21:49:10] <causality> Alasdairrr i'm just outside of london[21:49:19] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:49:41] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[21:49:55] <Alasdairrr> You should come to LoSUG :) It's next wednesday[21:50:18] <Stric> Alasdairrr: I got a mail reply; "Many apologies. Fixed,"[21:50:31] <Alasdairrr> yay[21:51:10] <causality> Alasdairrr where is it?[21:51:16] <Alasdairrr> FUD-o-meter can be reduced from SEVERE to HIGH level[21:51:19] <causality> i'd end up throwing things at people[21:51:37] *** twilling has quit IRC[21:51:38] <Alasdairrr> Just outside Monument station on the north side of London Bridge at the Sun Customer Briefing Centre[21:51:48] <causality> i see[21:52:33] <causality> o[21:53:28] *** Wicked has quit IRC[21:53:43] *** galt_ has joined #opensolaris[21:54:28] <an0key> I'll come along and throw my raid card at Alasdairrr :)[21:54:50] <Alasdairrr> Go for it :p[21:55:19] <Alasdairrr> LoSUG used to put on free food but Oracle killed that[21:55:37] <an0key> No way... but still a free bar? ;)[21:55:54] <Alasdairrr> Sadly they killed that too :)[21:56:08] <Alasdairrr> I'm going to have a chat with the new non-oracle organisers of LoSUG about sponsering the food/drink[21:56:29] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[21:56:51] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[21:57:15] <an0key> Is there usually a good turn out?[21:57:24] <Alasdairrr> the last one was full and they had to close registrations[21:57:30] <Alasdairrr> because I was doing the talk ;-)[21:57:45] <Alasdairrr> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/User+Group+losug/v-2010[21:58:30] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[22:01:29] <an0key> Next talk looks a bit :/ would have rather seen yours, esp around the SAN you've built...[22:01:29] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[22:01:41] <Alasdairrr> :)[22:02:45] *** ravenslay3r has quit IRC[22:03:34] <an0key> ah next one is the uknof curry night, so cant come anyways[22:03:46] <Alasdairrr> Ah yeah[22:03:49] <Alasdairrr> bill is going to that[22:04:40] <an0key> Bill?[22:04:56] <Alasdairrr> Yeah, he works with me - you can say hi :) He has a silver ponytail[22:05:03] <an0key> awesome[22:05:59] <my007ms> any hint about disk image software i can use to have full backup from my opensolaris boxs ?[22:06:04] * causality used to do ukug.freebsd.org[22:06:36] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:08:09] <effnorwood> my007ms: i use dd[22:08:55] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[22:09:04] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[22:10:50] <my007ms> effnorwood but dd will backup 100G HD in 100G file and no matter how much data really i have[22:10:56] <swa_work> rsync my007ms[22:11:33] <galt_> zfs snapshot[22:11:34] *** dalibor has quit IRC[22:12:53] *** Apsu has quit IRC[22:12:55] *** Apsu has joined #opensolaris[22:13:45] *** xapiens has quit IRC[22:14:10] <my007ms> i was use http://www.mondorescue.org/ in linux i need something like it but for opensolaris[22:19:00] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[22:19:08] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[22:20:03] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[22:22:12] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[22:22:13] *** milek_ has quit IRC[22:22:21] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:23:15] <Alasdairrr> Are there any people here who use etherstubs+bridges?[22:24:12] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[22:26:11] <effnorwood> my007ms: i didn't say it was pretty :)[22:29:56] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:30:05] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[22:30:34] *** galt_ is now known as g4lt[22:30:45] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:31:39] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[22:33:43] *** zazenrasta has quit IRC[22:36:37] *** ztorage has joined #opensolaris[22:37:53] *** ztorage has quit IRC[22:38:09] *** jparker has joined #opensolaris[22:40:24] <JeremyK> is there any need for an IPS mirror for the primary repositories? I think I could convince the higher-ups to let me run one[22:40:36] <JeremyK> if there is, who would I contact to make arrangements? :D[22:41:16] <bdrewery> how's your security[22:41:21] *** achester has quit IRC[22:41:23] <deet> noob question, what's IPS?[22:41:39] <JeremyK> bdrewery: physical security at the datacenter? very good.[22:41:40] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[22:42:53] <JeremyK> reason I'm asking this is because I'm updating one of my machines to /dev and noticing that it's pulling down about a gig of data. I imagine on release day the traffic is going to be insane[22:42:55] *** dave has joined #opensolaris[22:43:01] <JeremyK> I know I'll be updating about 40 machines[22:43:14] <Alasdairrr> mirroring the repo isn't too hard but it is 60GB of data[22:43:24] *** dave is now known as Guest96883[22:43:31] <JeremyK> Alasdairrr: storage I have aplenty :P[22:43:42] <JeremyK> and bandwidth[22:43:48] <Meths> deet: A packaging system[22:43:53] <paq> Anybody joined an Active Directory domain in snv_134 ?[22:44:58] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[22:45:52] <Alasdairrr> rbridges seems completely broken[22:48:41] *** Guest96883 has quit IRC[22:51:00] <taemun> Alasdairrr: dladm show-bridges ?[22:51:13] <taemun> I'm running an aggr over a pair of e1000g's[22:51:20] *** Kustnamenkloate has joined #opensolaris[22:51:21] <taemun> unless you're talking about something else :P[22:51:21] *** blizzow has joined #opensolaris[22:51:35] *** gebi_ is now known as gebi[22:51:41] <Alasdairrr> I'm talking about something else :)[22:51:48] <taemun> oki[22:52:50] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[22:53:03] *** blizzow has quit IRC[22:54:52] *** LaCap has joined #opensolaris[22:55:33] *** zynox has quit IRC[22:56:43] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[22:57:53] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[22:57:57] *** tg has quit IRC[22:58:10] *** tg` has joined #opensolaris[22:58:45] *** milek_ has quit IRC[23:01:14] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[23:04:56] *** ozux has quit IRC[23:05:16] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[23:05:24] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[23:06:49] *** tg` has quit IRC[23:06:50] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[23:06:56] *** vivid has quit IRC[23:07:05] *** tg` has joined #opensolaris[23:07:09] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:07:12] *** tg` is now known as tg[23:09:00] *** swa_work has quit IRC[23:09:03] *** e1kg has quit IRC[23:09:26] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[23:10:22] *** kwazar has joined #opensolaris[23:10:58] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[23:11:05] *** PhlowX has joined #opensolaris[23:11:23] *** robo has quit IRC[23:11:23] *** paq has quit IRC[23:12:48] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[23:15:16] *** kwazar has quit IRC[23:15:32] *** TommyTheKid has joined #opensolaris[23:17:42] *** Beket has quit IRC[23:18:16] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:19:04] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[23:19:33] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[23:21:49] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[23:22:16] *** ACKT1C has joined #opensolaris[23:23:08] *** milek_ has quit IRC[23:23:34] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[23:23:43] *** gebi has quit IRC[23:24:30] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[23:25:12] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[23:28:25] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[23:36:44] *** yalu has quit IRC[23:37:38] *** ozux has quit IRC[23:37:41] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[23:38:06] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[23:38:37] *** yalu has joined #opensolaris[23:39:24] *** RoyK has quit IRC[23:41:21] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[23:42:42] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[23:44:20] *** djinni has quit IRC[23:44:28] *** djinni has joined #opensolaris[23:44:31] *** Tiggar_ has joined #opensolaris[23:45:36] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[23:45:36] <Tiggar_> palowoda: Hi[23:46:26] *** smrt has quit IRC[23:46:34] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[23:46:38] <jthunder> quick question for the smb guys out there, I have a shared folder that I'm using both SMB and netatalk (afp) to share content with windows/linux/mac hosts. The issue is related to the .AppleDouble folder that gets created as part of the netatalk. When accessing the share from a mac (using afp) they don't show up - as expected. When accessing the share from windows (smb) the .AppleDouble folders are visible.[23:47:18] *** richb has quit IRC[23:47:40] <jthunder> Not a problem but I have a process that parses recursively on SMB and it's picking up the metadata in the .AppleDouble folder. I'm trying to find a way to either prevent the SMB clients from seeing these files, or netatalk from creating them. Any ideas?[23:48:50] <CosmicDJ> jthunder: hm how about switching to nfs on the mac?[23:49:19] <deet> you can disable netatalk creating those[23:49:25] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[23:49:26] <jthunder> yeah that's a good idea[23:49:28] <deet> it's in afpd.conf iirc[23:49:58] <jthunder> deet: perfect - I'll have a look[23:49:59] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[23:50:18] <CosmicDJ> jthunder: or you crate a, hm let's call it "Windows" directory on your share and symlink all the directories you need in there, in your windows client you mount that dir instead (i.e. \\share\windows)[23:50:34] <CosmicDJ> s/in/on/[23:50:34] <jthunder> CosmicDj: does nfs automatically present the shares like netatalk/afp does? for the users?[23:51:28] <deet> nfs is almost totally different in approach from netatalk. with netatalk you set the shares in the file … with nfs (assuming you're on zfs) you set sharing as a property of the filesystem[23:51:43] <jthunder> yeah[23:51:54] <CosmicDJ> jthunder: I'm automout'ing them, see http://rajeev.name/2007/11/22/autofs-goodness-in-apples-leopard-105-part-i/[23:52:18] <deet> and so on the client side, they have to know what they want. there's no real friendly way to browse[23:52:30] <jthunder> yeah[23:52:37] <jthunder> let me see about the conf file here.[23:53:04] <CosmicDJ> you'll need matching uids/gids (both client and server) for nfs though[23:53:19] <deet> which, ideally, means common directory service between the server and clients[23:53:23] <CosmicDJ> unless apple finally manages to get nfsv4 up and running[23:54:26] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[23:54:54] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:55:53] <CosmicDJ> so maybe symlinking is easier..[23:57:17] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[23:57:39] <jthunder> k - just reading docs on netatalk[23:57:59] *** Tiggar_ has quit IRC[23:58:37] <CosmicDJ> I don't think you can hide or stop afpd (or whatever the daemon is called) from creating those directories..[23:59:31] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[23:59:44] <tsoome> i think there was way to make it to create them outside the shared tree[23:59:50] <jthunder> got it - in AppleVolumes.default set the option "noadouble"[23:59:58] <deet> yes noadouble