April 14, 2010 
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April 14, 2010 [00:00:16] <palowoda> jamesd_laptop: You think ipfilter and crossbow should be stripped out of opensolaris to resolve the confusion?[00:00:59] <jamesd_laptop> mostly just ipfilter, no hard core solaris admins will use it... only a small mom and pop shop would bother with it[00:01:24] <jamesd_laptop> crossbow is cool.. and has places, putting the firewall on the box is just too close and causes too much pain[00:01:36] <palowoda> Good than when will Oracle announce ipfilter will no longer be part of opensolaris or solaris in general?[00:02:13] <jamesd_laptop> palowoda, no idea, i'm sure not many people would cry if they did.[00:02:25] <jamesd_laptop> especially not paying customers.[00:02:29] <strato_> I would[00:02:41] <palowoda> Maybe they are just dumbshits like I stated to begin with.[00:02:55] <strato_> it is nice little fw[00:02:56] <Tiggar_> palowoda: Install complete.[00:03:00] <strato_> it is enough for me[00:03:15] <palowoda> Tiggar_: Now to test the network.[00:03:28] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[00:03:29] <Tiggar_> Huh. Wait.[00:03:38] <Tiggar_> Have to check the cable.[00:03:46] <jamesd_laptop> why not use a $50 home firewall, i'm sure it would do as good of job as any non ipf guru would do... and would be more secure.[00:03:52] <Tiggar_> Last thing before I'll go to bed.[00:04:20] <palowoda> jamesd_laptop: I want crossbow with that 50 dollar firewall.[00:04:26] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[00:04:53] <palowoda> And I want zones with that 50 dollar firewall.[00:05:17] <jamesd_laptop> palowoda, you can keep crossbow on the box, but the firewall is outside the box... it just feels safer to me at least.[00:05:56] *** iFire has quit IRC[00:05:56] <palowoda> But I want that. Get it.[00:06:41] <strato_> palowoda[00:06:48] <strato_> I am using ipfilter the same way[00:06:58] <strato_> but now with crossbow[00:07:22] <strato_> earlier I was using dedicated freebsd box[00:07:24] <strato_> :D[00:07:32] <palowoda> A major credit card company is using crossbow and ipfilter in an embedded device with opensolaris too.[00:07:58] <palowoda> Well credit card hardware processing company.[00:08:24] *** merzo has quit IRC[00:08:47] <palowoda> New laws allow the use of zones, crossbow and ipfilter on embedded devices.[00:09:16] <palowoda> Otherwise you purchase multiple hardware solutions.[00:10:05] <Tiggar_> palowoda: Network works![00:11:02] <palowoda> Tiggar_: Good keep in touch with the network. I want to know it reliable. It should be but there is another rge driver if it is not.[00:11:34] <palowoda> You can install iperf and test it with another system.[00:12:37] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[00:13:05] <Netwolf> w00t[00:13:17] <Netwolf> Just got IPv6 working on the webserver.[00:13:45] <Netwolf> Anyone have IPv6 enabled host, care to see how it looks? Would help me ensure its truly up[00:14:05] <Tiggar_> palowoda: Tomorrow. Have to go to bad now.[00:14:12] <Tiggar_> Bye.[00:14:21] <palowoda> Tiggar_: Later...[00:14:27] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[00:14:31] *** ma3x has quit IRC[00:14:32] *** Tiggar_ has quit IRC[00:14:52] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[00:15:22] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[00:15:28] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[00:16:06] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[00:16:14] <palowoda> Netwolf: I think lewellyn uses IPv6 hosts with opensolaris but he is out to have lunch at present.[00:16:17] *** lattera has quit IRC[00:16:53] *** terrygardner has left #opensolaris[00:18:45] <palowoda> jamesd_laptop: I'm still waiting for Oracles firewall and crossbow best practices. Oracle just seems to be so slow with any information.[00:19:53] *** iFire has quit IRC[00:20:04] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[00:20:09] <palowoda> Does Oracle really know how do do networking?[00:21:05] <palowoda> Or do they intent to buy a networking company?[00:21:20] <alanc> they invented their own network protocol, because TCP & UDP didn't do what they wanted[00:21:59] <palowoda> Yeah and the stock is going up by leaps and bounds too. :)[00:22:45] *** niq has quit IRC[00:25:09] *** merzo has quit IRC[00:26:40] <jamesd_laptop> palowoda, personally i'm waiting for oracle brand espresso for sysadmins to drink while administrating servers and db's[00:26:55] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[00:27:22] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:27:57] <palowoda> jamesd_laptop: Contact your local Oracle sales rep for the best brand of coffee.[00:28:42] *** p3rror has quit IRC[00:28:43] <palowoda> They have to be worth something.[00:31:04] *** juanmiuk has joined #opensolaris[00:31:09] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[00:31:22] <alanc> okay, is totally funky to do a google search and see labs.oracle.com come up in results and realize they're old Sun Labs pages[00:32:04] <palowoda> Wait Oracle plans to innovate?[00:32:28] <JeremyK> just FYI, I put a zil device in and the workload of the drives has changed significantly. for the better[00:32:49] <JeremyK> the ssd is handling like 3k iops and the drives are sitting mostly at 0, spiking every 5-10 seconds while the cache flushes[00:32:59] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:13] <JeremyK> I can't call it good just yet, but it appears to have significantly increased performance[00:33:40] <JeremyK> even looking at my traffic graphs I see throughput increase, especially reads[00:34:11] <JeremyK> read traffic increased by about 5x[00:34:22] <palowoda> JeremyK: Did it affect your transaction rate?[00:34:40] <JeremyK> palowoda: not sure just yet. most of the machines are done backing up for the day[00:34:48] <JeremyK> when it all runs tonight we'll know for sure.[00:35:01] *** melbogia has quit IRC[00:35:36] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[00:36:10] <JeremyK> unfortunately, I'm burning an 80gb ssd (it's what we had laying around) for a machine with only 16gb of ram[00:36:40] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[00:36:44] <strato_> JeramyK[00:36:50] <strato_> nice[00:36:56] <JeremyK> and the adapter that came with it doesn't make it so it is shaped like a regular 3.5" hard drive, so I just have the ssd being held up by the backplane connector hahaha[00:38:04] *** devians has quit IRC[00:39:29] <palowoda> JeremyK: Waiting for your backups to get done to see the advantage on transaction rates.[00:39:35] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[00:40:09] <JeremyK> my workload is heavy streaming writes, and apparently is a lot of sync writes (over nfs) so the disks were constantly busy doing not much of anything[00:40:34] <JeremyK> now they're often idle while the SSD goes crazy and then they get really busy for a few seconds every now and then. much better[00:41:18] <palowoda> JeremyK: Is your workload aligned with the opensolaris designed goals?[00:42:13] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[00:43:03] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[00:44:13] *** iFire` has joined #opensolaris[00:45:02] *** iFire has quit IRC[00:45:28] <alanc> palowoda: aren't the OpenSolaris design goals just to generate the maximum amount of e-mail on a topic without accomplishing anything?[00:45:39] <alanc> or maybe I'm confusing that with the OGB design[00:45:52] *** strato_ has quit IRC[00:46:20] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[00:46:24] <palowoda> alanc: Depends is your email stored in a database and takes advantage of zfs?[00:46:57] *** strato_ has joined #opensolaris[00:47:19] <alanc> well, it's stored in a database since we switched to the oracle.com servers - no zfs yet though[00:47:51] <palowoda> No zfs than we can limit your mailbox, cool.[00:48:33] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[00:48:55] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[00:49:43] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[00:49:52] *** iFire` has quit IRC[00:51:18] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[00:51:44] *** mlisok_ has quit IRC[00:52:30] *** vivid has quit IRC[00:53:36] <palowoda> alanc: It's not like someone could design a mailbox the silently rejects mail based on a database. But what the heck somebody has to sell support. :)[00:53:58] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:54:53] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[00:55:07] <alanc> Sell support? Nah... much more fun to offer it and then frustrate people who try to buy it[00:55:45] <longcat> go on...[00:55:56] <palowoda> Now where at the bottom of the barrel. :)[00:56:40] <palowoda> At least we can't go any lower.[00:56:59] <longcat> could get bought out... oh w8[00:57:05] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[00:58:50] <palowoda> longcat: No way Oracle has too much debt and low cash reserves.[01:03:20] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[01:04:23] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:04:31] <strato_> Oracle ... debt ...[01:04:45] <strato_> aren'T they the biggest DB Company out there[01:05:09] <longcat> it was a failed dig on sun from a few months ago, nevermind[01:05:14] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[01:06:08] <strato_> heh ON is 137 already[01:06:29] <strato_> should I onu??[01:08:56] *** iFire has quit IRC[01:09:37] *** stewart has quit IRC[01:09:43] *** forquare has quit IRC[01:14:23] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[01:18:48] <skeeziks> Is SXCE still available somewhere?[01:20:43] <skeeziks> I understand the official answer is "no."[01:20:59] <TommyTheKid> archive.org?[01:21:08] <jamesd_laptop> i have seen links to it on a site or two, no i didn't copy them down.[01:21:45] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:22:42] *** radsy has quit IRC[01:23:07] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[01:23:17] *** dama0 has quit IRC[01:23:21] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[01:23:55] *** dama0 has joined #opensolaris[01:25:43] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[01:26:38] *** dover has joined #opensolaris[01:27:23] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[01:27:27] <alanc> archive.org wouldn't be able to pick it up, since you would have had to go through the registration form to download it[01:28:01] <alanc> anywhere still offering SXCE would be doing so in violation of the license, which does not allow redistribution[01:28:33] *** melbogia has quit IRC[01:31:13] <skeeziks> Hmm, OK, thanks.[01:31:21] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[01:37:54] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[01:38:02] *** Reepicheep has quit IRC[01:39:24] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:39:48] *** devians has quit IRC[01:41:43] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[01:43:01] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[01:44:22] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[01:44:33] *** iFire has quit IRC[01:45:10] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[01:46:17] *** kimc has quit IRC[01:53:03] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[01:59:07] *** juanmiuk has quit IRC[02:00:25] *** jfisc has quit IRC[02:04:24] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[02:06:07] *** leito has quit IRC[02:17:15] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:18:33] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[02:19:48] *** |Inthewings| has quit IRC[02:22:03] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[02:24:34] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[02:25:57] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[02:26:31] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[02:26:35] <Andys^> have any of you guys read the book "In Search of Stupidity" ?[02:26:59] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[02:27:13] <alanc> no, but it sounds like many of our mailing list discussions...[02:27:31] <Andys^> lol[02:27:33] <Andys^> its a great book[02:27:48] <Andys^> the current situation with Oracle reminds me alot of the stories within[02:32:06] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[02:32:48] <Norrin> why is IPS still on 134?[02:33:39] *** sponix has quit IRC[02:38:47] <joshua_> probably has to do with the works being held up for 2010.xx[02:40:44] <Norrin> makes sense[02:42:59] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[02:44:08] *** iFire has quit IRC[02:44:52] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[02:45:26] *** nikolam has quit IRC[02:52:42] *** winstonw_ has joined #opensolaris[02:53:36] *** nachox has quit IRC[02:56:01] *** randw has quit IRC[02:56:03] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[02:58:29] *** Macer has quit IRC[02:58:51] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[03:01:39] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[03:02:27] *** Section9 has quit IRC[03:03:23] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[03:03:39] <Jondice> Andys^, I do not know about this book either - could you elaborate on the connection with Oracle[03:07:21] *** paddy has quit IRC[03:09:45] *** mace_ has joined #opensolaris[03:09:59] <Andys^> well[03:10:02] *** mace_ is now known as Macer[03:10:07] <Andys^> the book goes through many stories in the history of the computing industry[03:10:16] <Andys^> and there's a classic pattern of failed takeovers[03:10:25] <Andys^> and sadly oracle is now repeating some of the symptoms...[03:10:34] <Andys^> not saying it means something is going wrong, just that i see a trend[03:12:12] *** juanmiuk has joined #opensolaris[03:12:57] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[03:13:02] *** merzo has quit IRC[03:13:47] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[03:16:05] <juanmiuk> I would like to disable unnecessary services and do not want to run any server. What services do I have to stop?[03:16:26] <juanmiuk> I have snv_134[03:18:42] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[03:18:42] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[03:19:00] <juanmiuk> I want to work as workstation[03:20:33] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[03:21:23] *** lattera has quit IRC[03:30:23] <alanc> servers that you don't need shouldn't be running unless you enabled them[03:30:54] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[03:42:27] *** dajune has quit IRC[03:46:21] *** Norrin has quit IRC[03:47:36] *** Norrin has joined #opensolaris[03:48:09] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[03:51:03] *** falconn19 has quit IRC[03:51:05] <juanmiuk> Ok, I know that, but are there any of the 93 services running now I am be able to disable to make quicker my system?[03:53:42] <ttys0_> it's unlikely that disabling any of them will make a significant difference on a workstation machine ... if it's sluggish, you might want to first look at what you have under the hood[03:53:43] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[03:53:46] *** ttys0_ is now known as ttys0[03:54:01] <ttys0> most importantly the amount of RAM[03:54:22] <Norrin> juanmiuk: maybe its just gnome that's sluggish. that are probably still oepn bugs related to that[03:54:33] <Norrin> juanmiuk: gnome wasn't sluggish until recently[03:54:34] <juanmiuk> I have a problem with flash player[03:54:44] <ttys0> who doesn't?[03:54:47] <projectmoon> ^[03:54:49] <Norrin> flash is crap on anything that isn't windows[03:54:54] <Norrin> ^^^[03:55:17] <juanmiuk> ok, I got it[03:55:36] <juanmiuk> thanks anyway[03:56:35] <juanmiuk> when html5 will come out?[03:56:40] <projectmoon> it is out[03:56:50] <projectmoon> it's not finalized and browser support is not 100%[03:56:51] <projectmoon> but it is "out"[03:57:06] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[03:57:10] <projectmoon> most of the core features are supported by the standards browsers (i.e. not IE8 and below)[03:57:15] <juanmiuk> Thanks[03:57:52] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[03:58:39] *** MattBenjamin has quit IRC[03:59:38] <Norrin> google's html5 only works in chrome & safari I think[03:59:51] <Norrin> html5 video*[04:00:10] <projectmoon> that is because youtube uses H.234, which firefox does not support[04:00:12] <projectmoon> but chrome and safari do[04:00:46] <Shoggoth> g'morning all[04:00:53] <ttys0> hiya[04:02:37] <Shoggoth> some of you are probably familiar with the 7z family of commands[04:02:55] <Shoggoth> it works in a rather zip like fashion, ie. both compress _and_ archive[04:03:22] <Shoggoth> linux has a more gzip/bzip2/compress like version that _just_ does compression, no archiving[04:03:30] <Shoggoth> it's called simply "lzma"[04:03:39] <Shoggoth> is that function available in solaris somewhere?[04:03:47] <projectmoon> yes[04:03:55] <Shoggoth> lol[04:04:04] <projectmoon> if it is not in IPS you can get the lzma package from some site[04:04:07] <projectmoon> let me see if i can find it[04:04:33] *** tosh has quit IRC[04:04:45] <projectmoon> do you have blastwave and sunfreeware added to your IPS repo list?[04:05:39] *** tona has joined #opensolaris[04:05:47] <Shoggoth> no... vanilla install[04:06:53] *** sergiusens1 has joined #opensolaris[04:07:02] <tona> one question whicj is the difference between open solaris vs suse linux[04:07:21] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[04:07:52] <Aria> One's solaris, one's linux. One's made by Suse, the other's made by Snoracle.[04:08:00] <ttys0> tona: they're completely different operating systems[04:08:10] <projectmoon> blastwave has the 7zip command in it[04:08:47] <projectmoon> http://tinyurl.com/y585zmk[04:08:53] <lewellyn> dev has p7zip too[04:09:00] <lewellyn> (as does solaris 10)[04:09:06] <Shoggoth> tona: they are both Unix-like operating systems and they both start with the word Open that's where the similarity ends[04:09:27] <longcat> solaris is unix...[04:09:41] <ttys0> Shoggoth: OpenSolaris _is_ a UNIX OS, Suse is "like" UNIX[04:10:08] <Shoggoth> longcat, ttys0: indeed... but I don't think that padding out the answer with all that history would've helped tona[04:10:18] <lewellyn> ttys0: opensolaris isn't UNIX(R), however[04:10:23] <ttys0> lewellyn: true[04:10:29] <projectmoon> lewellyn: indeed. my opensolaris VM finally booted up and it seems to be in the dev repo as SUNWp7zip[04:10:40] <Shoggoth> yes... 7zip I have[04:10:46] <ttys0> Shoggoth: factual clarity is always the preferred road[04:10:46] <Shoggoth> but I want the lzma command[04:10:53] <longcat> compile it[04:11:32] <Shoggoth> ttys0: yes... but too many facts can make things rather unclear[04:12:06] <Shoggoth> besides... it depends upon how much of a purist you want to be[04:12:33] <ttys0> Shoggoth: I disagree completely. *shrug*[04:12:40] <Shoggoth> some might be tempted to say that when AT&T sold off the rights to the unix trademark that everything since then has been a poor imitation[04:13:30] <Shoggoth> ttys0: sorry... force of habbit I'm afraid... I work as a tech. trainer and the _first_ explanation is always shorter... you _then_ go on to highlight the devil that is the details[04:13:47] <Norrin> ^[04:13:50] <Norrin> agreed[04:14:05] <dizko> shoggoth: http://www.levenez.com/unix/[04:14:29] <Norrin> at least in this case. tona is at the beginning. no need to take it back 4 decades[04:14:35] <Shoggoth> Norrin: agreeing with my pedagogy or that everything since USL has been a pale imitation[04:14:46] <Norrin> pedagogy[04:14:51] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: why do you want the lzma command?[04:15:02] <projectmoon> Shoggoth: http://www.opencsw.org/packages/lzma[04:15:05] <Shoggoth> dizko: yes... know that page well :)[04:15:17] <Shoggoth> I think I may have contributed to some of the detail at some point :)[04:15:20] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: you realize that p7zip offers LZMA_Alone, right?[04:15:38] <dizko> =)[04:15:49] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: really... that's interesting...[04:15:56] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: and why do you want the older tools, rather than xz?[04:16:27] <Shoggoth> perhaps because the last 5 years of doing VMware + Windows enterprise has fried my brain[04:16:40] <Shoggoth> ie. I didn't know of xz[04:17:40] <Shoggoth> Norrin: actually... and this might be considered flame bait... I would actually consider Plan9 to be the only true Unix :)[04:18:14] <ttys0> LOL .... Bela Lugosi was good in that ... oh wait, you meant that other thing ;)[04:18:31] <lewellyn> http://jucr.opensolaris.org/review/packages/483/[04:18:36] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: would you mind elucidating me on the where and how of xz?[04:18:48] <Shoggoth> ttys0: yes that other _thing_[04:19:07] <Shoggoth> it's Unix turned up to 11[04:19:16] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: see that url. it's in the pending repo, awaiting votes and perhaps a version bump.[04:23:54] <Shoggoth> here's a question for you all: if I'm doing a zfs send | mbuffer | zfs recv where the source has compression turned on. Is there a nice easy way to determine what the size of the transfer will be[04:24:21] <Shoggoth> ie. since the source is decompressed en-route looking at zfs list or df won't help[04:24:51] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[04:25:11] <lewellyn> kohju: ping?[04:32:30] *** tona has quit IRC[04:32:40] <kohju> hi[04:33:11] <Jondice> is there a screen recorder packaged for osol? (wanting to make a demo video of something - not something i normally do on any platform)[04:33:54] *** achester has quit IRC[04:37:04] <Macer> wth is up with gmail[04:37:18] <lewellyn> kohju: is xz your submission? :)[04:37:19] *** dajune has joined #opensolaris[04:37:19] <Macer> and this spam in the "all mail" imap folder after deleting the spam folder[04:37:20] <Macer> heh[04:38:52] <lewellyn> kohju: if so, i added a new comment to the xz submission. we should try to get people to vote on it. :)[04:38:59] <Shoggoth> Jondice: you might find these two links a good starting point: http://0xcc.net/x11rec/index.html.en, http://blog.clemens.endorphin.org/2006/02/screencasting-for-x11-ffmpeg-screen.html[04:39:31] <Shoggoth> Jondice: personally I'd run the opensolaris install inside a virtual machine and use the VMware ability to record a VM[04:40:11] <kohju> lewellyn, at 1st, I submited xz.[04:40:24] <Jondice> Shoggoth, cool, thanks[04:40:30] <Shoggoth> np[04:40:39] *** NorrinRadd has joined #opensolaris[04:40:47] <kohju> But, someone submited xz ,after ?[04:41:09] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[04:41:34] <kohju> Maybe juicer does not reject same name ?[04:42:26] *** randw has quit IRC[04:42:50] <lewellyn> http://jucr.opensolaris.org/review/packages/483/ is yours?[04:43:05] <lewellyn> kohju: i think roboporter is broken for the others[04:43:28] <lewellyn> if it tries to build xz again, i will complain ;)[04:45:57] <kohju> ph.[04:45:59] <kohju> oh.[04:46:01] *** juanmiuk has quit IRC[04:46:03] <kohju> it's mine.[04:46:12] <kohju> should I resubmit ?[04:46:43] *** projectmoon has left #opensolaris[04:46:48] <kohju> ok, I submit, soon.[04:46:59] <lewellyn> just update the spec for the latest version and i'll add it to my list of packages to complain about lack of voting on that i'll be emailing to the list later this week ;)[04:47:02] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[04:47:14] <lewellyn> see my latest email to the list... ;)[04:47:28] <kohju> ok![04:50:06] *** lateau has quit IRC[04:54:51] *** montcalm has joined #opensolaris[04:54:59] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[04:55:02] *** radsy has quit IRC[04:55:14] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[04:55:27] <CIA-21> Susan Scheufele <Susan.Scheufele at Sun dot COM>: 6939111 psm: Dell PE1950 hangs on boot with PERC 5/E card due to mis-translated IRQ[04:56:28] <montcalm> How does one save mixer settings across reboots? I thought solaris uses oss4 now. Shouldn't there be a command called savemixer to do this?[04:56:39] <lewellyn> montcalm: afaik, it's not implemented yet[04:57:11] *** ozux has quit IRC[04:57:13] <montcalm> I see.[04:57:15] <alanc> yippi & gdamore submitted an ARC case for that last week, it's still in review/discussion[04:57:30] <alanc> and it's not exactly oss4, though it's based on it[04:57:56] <projectmoon> isn't it called boomer or something?[04:57:59] <projectmoon> or is that separate[04:58:01] <lewellyn> smrt: explain boomer[04:58:01] <smrt> Boomer is the next generation audio subsystem that is part of OpenSolaris builds 115 and later. It introduces the OpenSound System API (OSS). New audio drivers are still being added to this new api. 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So I rolled back.[05:31:45] <lattera> if you're on b132, and b134's been released, is there a way to update to b133 first instead of straight to b134?[05:33:00] <CodeWar> working with TOT OS ... how exciting .. Linux style[05:33:03] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[05:33:56] <ttys0> lattera: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=414330&tstart=0[05:34:26] <lattera> ttys0, ah, cool[05:34:28] <lattera> thanks :)[05:39:25] *** Garen has quit IRC[05:41:36] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[05:43:28] *** Jondice has quit IRC[05:45:12] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[05:45:43] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[05:47:46] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[05:48:13] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[05:48:41] *** Odin- has quit IRC[05:49:03] *** merzo has quit IRC[05:49:49] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:51:28] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[05:52:40] <Spencer_tt> I remember a chatter in here talking about silent machines, http://www.silentpcreview.com/ that site has some bits and bites on (semi)quiet systems[05:53:11] * Spencer_tt got his core CPU temp down to 55 deg C ;)[05:54:58] <Andys^> crikey[05:55:28] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[05:57:44] <Andys^> Spencer: i built my home server to be fanless using Intel Atom fanless board[05:57:57] <Andys^> with no fans.. the harddisks are the noisiest part[05:58:58] *** UnderTaLker has quit IRC[06:00:29] <Spencer_tt> yeah HDDs get on my nerves - leaving the pc on is more practical than switching it of sometimes,[06:00:53] *** sickness has quit IRC[06:00:58] <Spencer_tt> or most of the time or I would loose patience waiting for the machine to come on :p[06:01:13] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris[06:01:33] <Spencer_tt> only to return to a desktop state[06:01:48] <Andys^> SSD fixes that ;)[06:02:04] <Spencer_tt> I'll have to be patient on that one :D[06:03:28] <Spencer_tt> what sort of enclosure did you put your machine in[06:04:33] <Andys^> a micro-atx cube case[06:04:35] <Andys^> with 2 x HDD slot[06:05:28] *** UnderTaLker has joined #opensolaris[06:05:32] <Spencer_tt> nice :)[06:05:37] <Andys^> and a CDROM drive slot[06:05:41] <Andys^> and lots and lots of air vents[06:07:21] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[06:07:39] <Spencer_tt> how much space do you have on your pool(s)[06:07:50] <Andys^> just 2 x 1TB mirrored[06:08:44] <Spencer_tt> that would be enough for most purposes[06:08:44] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris[06:09:12] <Spencer_tt> is it enough for you now :)[06:09:35] <Andys^> yeah[06:09:49] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[06:09:54] <Andys^> about 50% used[06:11:08] <Spencer_tt> hmm I'm in to audio so that would be under utilised in my heavily biased opinion[06:11:14] <Spencer_tt> :p[06:12:09] *** merzo has quit IRC[06:12:16] <Spencer_tt> what do you use the home-server for, most of the time[06:12:22] <Andys^> media storage[06:12:28] <Andys^> music'n'videos[06:12:31] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[06:12:37] <Andys^> running samba[06:13:07] <Spencer_tt> gosh video is a pain,[06:13:49] <Andys^> ?[06:13:57] <Spencer_tt> the size[06:14:01] <Andys^> got a device called Asus O!Play[06:14:11] <Andys^> that plays any video format, streams it over the network to the TV[06:14:31] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[06:14:31] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[06:14:44] <Spencer_tt> that comes with it's own storage?[06:14:48] <Andys^> no[06:14:52] <Andys^> Streams it over the network[06:15:00] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[06:15:01] <Andys^> from the fileserver[06:15:06] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: ping[06:15:15] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: very nice blog post there[06:15:23] <jamesd_laptop> dclarke, thanks[06:15:32] <dclarke> no really .. its well done[06:15:58] <dclarke> about all I did today was vent frustration and stir a cold pot.[06:16:01] <jamesd_laptop> well your blog entry pushed me off the edge, i have been thinking about doing it for a while[06:16:06] <Spencer_tt> Andys^: I guess it makes it a breeze to watch and share media[06:16:11] <dclarke> I sat on that draft .. for days[06:16:24] <dclarke> I am not one to sit quietly in the corner ..[06:16:28] <dclarke> endlessly[06:16:53] <Andys^> Spencer: yeah.. just browse via remote control, and hit play.. and it plays instantly. no dicking around with DVDs[06:16:54] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[06:16:59] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: sadly .. I think I'll stay busy this evening trying one last time to build snv_137[06:17:29] <jamesd_laptop> not into building stuff these days... i'm too old i think...[06:17:43] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: well, I am still doing that every day[06:17:48] <jamesd_laptop> trying to get my new cisco1721 to do vlanning with one nic[06:17:53] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: porting, can be fun sometimes[06:18:02] <Andys^> Spencer: also, the O!play is quiet, small, low power, fanless :)[06:18:10] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[06:18:12] <jamesd_laptop> yeah.. and other times you just pound you head against the wall[06:18:20] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: we reelased a new bash yesterday and it seem to run well on every damn thing[06:18:22] <Spencer_tt> Andys^: dvds are annoying and make me feel lazy about watching a movie :p[06:18:24] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: GNU bash, version 4.1.5(4)-release (i386-pc-solaris2.8)[06:18:45] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: the version in Solaris/OpenSolaris is GNU bash, version 4.0.28(1)-release (i386-pc-solaris2.11)[06:18:49] <jamesd_laptop> i haven't had an issue with any version of bash...[06:19:06] <dclarke> well, its gets patched fairly often[06:19:12] <dclarke> so we update it here[06:19:14] *** mmealling1 has quit IRC[06:20:15] <Spencer_tt> Andys^: I wouldn't mind having O!play on the front of a ATX case..[06:20:29] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[06:20:48] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: pardon me .. I just felt like popping in and saying, damn well done on that blog[06:20:53] <dclarke> gotta go[06:20:58] <jamesd_laptop> okay have a good night[06:21:01] * dclarke leave #opensolaris[06:21:04] <dclarke> oops[06:21:09] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[06:22:33] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[06:22:53] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[06:24:06] <Spencer_tt> having said that I still prefer laptops[06:25:16] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[06:26:42] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[06:29:36] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[06:32:58] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[06:38:25] *** DarkDevil has joined #opensolaris[06:39:08] *** |synegy34| has joined #opensolaris[06:42:43] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[06:44:08] <wrapster> what is this variable "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" in /etc/default/ini[06:44:10] <wrapster> init[06:44:12] <wrapster> ?[06:45:34] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[06:45:45] <Aria> Set the default language...[06:47:10] <wrapster> Aria: does it have any impact on the timezone being specified? Coz i see it lined up in /etc/default/init where only the time zone settings are displayed[06:47:28] <Aria> I don't believe so, but don't quote me on that.[06:50:16] <wrapster> Aria: the reason why im asking is ..I currently run onnv_134 and im geting weired timestamps.[06:50:41] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[06:50:41] <wrapster> i verified that the date is not being set properly according to my timezone/country[06:50:58] <wrapster> Aria: and im trying to troubleshoot it somehow.[06:51:26] <wrapster> does i18n have a channel where i can ask this doubt?[06:51:58] <trochej> Coffee[06:59:51] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[07:00:15] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[07:00:37] <Spencer_tt> jamesd_laptop: hmm the vidcast is interesting on people's uses of space :p[07:01:01] *** bewst has joined #opensolaris[07:01:22] <jamesd_laptop> what vid cast?[07:01:25] *** axisys has quit IRC[07:02:47] <Spencer_tt> the two parter in this page http://blogs.sun.com/video/entry/becoming_a_zfs_ninja[07:03:53] <bewst> Seeking recommendations for cost-effective OpenSolaris server configurations that can accept my 8-drive tank and has lots of cores for virtualization. Mine just got smoked![07:05:01] <Andys^> bewst: a dual-processor supermicro motherboard with embedded LSI SAS 8-port controller[07:05:16] <Andys^> eg. X8SI3[07:05:45] <Andys^> sorry.. X8DTL-3 even[07:06:16] <jamesd_laptop> oh[07:06:51] <bewst> Andys^, thanks; any rec's for one that supports AMD?[07:07:01] *** stevel has quit IRC[07:08:02] *** ACKT1C has joined #opensolaris[07:11:30] <trochej> Coffee[07:11:50] <ACKT1C> hohos[07:12:13] <lblume> wrapster: What kind of weird time are you getting?[07:12:28] <dsturnbull> Andys^: how much are those locally?[07:12:56] <Andys^> bewst: no, sorry.[07:13:06] <Andys^> dsturnbull: digicor sell em, or you can find them on ebay[07:13:23] <Shoggoth> can anyone give advice on getting the progress status of a zfs send/recv ?[07:13:32] <Andys^> Shoggoth: run it with mbuffer[07:13:38] <wrapster> lblume: http://pastie.org/918779[07:13:41] <Shoggoth> Andys^: I am[07:13:43] <Andys^> Shoggoth: http://www.maier-komor.de/mbuffer.html[07:13:48] <Shoggoth> doesn't help[07:13:48] <Andys^> oh[07:13:55] <Andys^> it tells you how many GB have been done[07:13:57] <dsturnbull> yeah, digicor requires some sort of reseller login :p[07:14:00] <Shoggoth> the source and dest are running compressed[07:14:07] <Andys^> dsturnbull: ahh i think if you email them they can help you out..[07:14:14] <Shoggoth> send/recv send an uncompressed stream[07:14:14] <bewst> I suppose it's possible I just smoked the power supply… have to figure that out somehow.[07:14:25] <wrapster> lblume: i just pasted this output and the time actually in berlin is 7:19 AM apr 14[07:14:47] <dsturnbull> Andys^: well.. i'm in the market again. have you used 'em yet?[07:15:20] <lblume> wrapster: What's in /etc/rtc_config?[07:15:56] <wrapster> lblume: zone_info=Europe/Berlin ; zone_lag=-7200[07:16:32] <lblume> Have you tried using ntp to set the date?[07:16:38] <wrapster> no[07:17:00] <Shoggoth> Andys^: doh! I just realised it's obvious... zfs get compressratio and the multiply buy zfs list used....and compare with mbuffer output[07:17:49] <wrapster> lblume: ntpdate you mean?[07:17:52] <lblume> wrapster: How do you know it's not simply the system's date being messed up?[07:18:16] <lblume> Yes, ntpdate is fine.[07:19:01] <wrapster> lblume: because earlier i had the same onnv_134 installed which was giving me correct dates.[07:19:04] <wrapster> and times[07:19:06] *** DarkDevil is now known as Farba[07:20:17] <lblume> With the same configuration?[07:20:21] <wrapster> yes[07:20:25] <wrapster> exactly the same[07:21:51] *** Farba is now known as DarkDevil[07:21:56] <lblume> did you check the time in the BIOS?[07:22:12] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[07:23:30] <wrapster> yes.. its fine.[07:25:35] <lblume> What does that say: TZ=GMT date[07:25:39] *** jshsmn has joined #opensolaris[07:27:08] <wrapster> lblume: everytime after setting this should i reboot?[07:27:17] <wrapster> or just set it and run 'date' ?[07:27:39] <lblume> Just type that in a shell, exactly as it is[07:27:45] <wrapster> ok[07:28:44] <jshsmn> I'm running into an issue where svc:/network/iscsi/initiator:default is in maintenance mode and I can't seem to get it up and running[07:28:58] <Aria> Did you look at the log?[07:28:58] <jshsmn> http://pastebin.com/C60zn4wh[07:29:00] <jshsmn> yes[07:29:23] <wrapster> lblume: TZ=GMT date --> Tue Apr 13 13:33:35 GMT 2010[07:29:24] <Aria> Did you look at /var/svc/log/network-iscsi-initiator:default.log ?[07:29:49] <jshsmn> yes[07:29:53] <jshsmn> [ Apr 14 01:28:18 Executing start method ("/lib/svc/method/iscsi-initiator"). ][07:29:53] <jshsmn> [ Apr 14 01:28:18 Method "start" exited with status 255. ][07:30:57] <jshsmn> any ideas?[07:32:02] <lblume> wrapster: Sorry, but for all I see, the system's time is wrong. Something happened to it.[07:32:14] <wrapster> hmm...[07:32:20] <wrapster> ok.. thanks.[07:32:38] <lblume> Try to set it: ntpdate europe.pool.ntp.org[07:32:50] *** wrapster has quit IRC[07:35:17] <jshsmn> is there a command that I can run to re initialize the svc:/network/iscsi/initiator:default[07:35:59] *** merzo has quit IRC[07:37:21] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[07:37:50] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[07:44:31] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[07:45:59] <jshsmn> I need help on this issue desperately: http://pastebin.com/Ut6R6sPx[07:46:05] <jshsmn> is anyone there to assist?[07:46:17] *** lattera has quit IRC[07:46:21] *** Burana has quit IRC[07:50:13] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[07:50:26] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[07:53:07] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[07:54:39] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[07:56:08] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:56:14] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:57:55] *** hajma has quit IRC[07:58:42] <jshsmn> If there is anyone that can help me resolve my problem I will pay them $50 via paypal tonight[07:58:50] <jshsmn> http://pastebin.com/Ut6R6sPx[07:59:11] *** ikonia_ has joined #opensolaris[07:59:19] *** Zauberpony has quit IRC[08:00:39] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[08:03:32] *** ikonia has quit IRC[08:04:22] *** ikonia_ has quit IRC[08:04:34] *** ikonia has joined #opensolaris[08:05:37] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:10:02] <swa_work> jshsmn, was this working previously?[08:10:12] <jshsmn> yes[08:10:16] <jshsmn> for many months[08:10:30] <swa_work> and the target and route to same is up?[08:10:39] <jshsmn> yes[08:12:19] <jshsmn> do you know of any way to restart it[08:12:25] <jshsmn> or reinitialize it[08:14:14] *** DarkDevil is now known as darkdevil[08:15:08] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[08:16:14] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[08:16:15] <swa_work> jshsmn have you tried to disable then enable ?[08:16:27] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[08:16:29] <jshsmn> swa_work: yes[08:17:22] *** mmealling1 has joined #opensolaris[08:18:47] <swa_work> well hard to say without knowing more jshsmn ; have you grepped your logs?[08:19:15] <madwizard> Coffee[08:19:43] <swa_work> madwizard, how goes it Damian?[08:19:50] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[08:19:58] *** lattera_ has joined #opensolaris[08:20:15] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[08:20:43] *** lattera_ has quit IRC[08:20:51] *** lattera has quit IRC[08:21:30] <jamesd_laptop> it is so nice that solaris 10 + gnome just loves crashing and returning back to the login screen with no mention of what issues caused the login to fail[08:23:09] *** ikonia has quit IRC[08:23:44] *** ikonia has joined #opensolaris[08:25:14] <Spencer_tt> which build are you on[08:25:28] <jamesd_laptop> update 8[08:25:34] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[08:25:54] <Spencer_tt> hmm I've never had that problem with Solaris or SXCE[08:26:27] <palowoda> SXCE has been using a newer version of Gnome for some time.[08:26:39] <jamesd_laptop> i have it from time to time, i usually end up recreating the account and copying the files to the new one, where it will work for a while and happen again[08:27:03] <jamesd_laptop> thankfully i dont login to gnome gui often.[08:27:19] <jamesd_laptop> its just one of my sunray users that it happens to mostly[08:27:30] <palowoda> The Gnome in S10 needs love.[08:28:31] *** ikonia has quit IRC[08:28:33] *** sergiusens1 has quit IRC[08:28:53] <Spencer_tt> I wouldn't be able to use the OS unless gdm runs with such a glitch.[08:29:11] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[08:29:38] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[08:30:05] <Spencer_tt> it's acceptable when it happens a few random times no doubt.[08:30:08] <lblume> jamesd_laptop: nothing in the session logs?[08:30:32] <jamesd_laptop> nope, last log it had was from jul of last year.[08:30:38] *** ikonia has joined #opensolaris[08:31:15] <jamesd_laptop> i even deleted all the .* files in the directory except for .xmms, and it would still crash[08:31:31] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[08:31:36] <lblume> Impossible, the session logs are always updated on log in. Is the line disabling them commented in .dtprofile?[08:32:02] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[08:32:59] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[08:33:15] <lattera> k, I really, really want 2010.1H to be released now[08:33:26] <lattera> now that linux refuses to play nice with CIFS[08:34:23] <jamesd_laptop> is that file kept in ~ or somewhere else?[08:34:49] <lblume> S10, right? ~/.dt/sessionslogs[08:35:43] <jamesd_laptop> found the issue..[08:35:48] *** ikonia has quit IRC[08:36:00] <jamesd_laptop> somehome the users directory got chowned to another uid[08:36:01] <lblume> What's it?[08:36:01] *** ikonia has joined #opensolaris[08:36:07] <Spencer_tt> a minor bug?[08:36:11] *** sstallion_work has quit IRC[08:36:15] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:37:24] <lblume> haha, yes, that's bad![08:37:26] <jamesd_laptop> because dt couldn't write to the directory it decided to crash without complaining... but CDE worked without issue[08:38:01] <jamesd_laptop> of course i found it after i had removed all the users . files... and no snapshots were taken of the directory[08:38:01] <Spencer_tt> so adding a +rwx should help :)[08:38:25] <palowoda> heh[08:38:52] <Spencer_tt> what user or program needs to write to the offending dir[08:38:52] <lblume> jamesd_laptop: You remove files rather than simply move them away in a backup dir?[08:39:05] <jamesd_laptop> pressure.. sucks..[08:39:23] <jamesd_laptop> i moved .gnome but the rest i just nuked.[08:39:39] <lblume> alias rm=mv? :-D[08:39:56] <jamesd_laptop> hindsite is 20/20[08:40:09] <lblume> Well, next time you'll do better :-)[08:41:14] <jamesd_laptop> yeah... might as setup automatic snapshots for the directory... i just got done reinstalling the box from snv_65 to update 8... sparc blade1500, sunray server.[08:41:29] *** ikonia_ has joined #opensolaris[08:41:39] *** purserj has quit IRC[08:41:47] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[08:43:18] <lblume> I'd say, the easiest to do is to keep a day old snapshot, taken every night. 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Except maybe my 14.4 modem.[09:25:08] <lattera> there we go[09:25:22] <lewellyn> lattera: i thought the point of quassel was to never quit ;)[09:25:30] <lattera> wire's hooked up, transferring at 36MB/s[09:25:39] <lattera> rather than 300KB/s over wireless[09:25:50] <lattera> lewellyn: kinda/sorta, yeah[09:26:12] <lattera> lewellyn: no quassel client on opensolaris[09:26:32] <ACKT1C> i mounted an iso[09:26:37] <ACKT1C> how do i set my disks[09:27:06] <lewellyn> lattera: something like this: http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/outlet/adapters/linksys-PLK300-RM-Powerline_stcVVproductId88945956VVcatId543809VVviewprod.htm[09:27:16] * Spencer_tt shoots[09:27:18] <lewellyn> lattera: and i know. can't build it till there's a system Qt, really[09:27:37] <lewellyn> same blocker as mumble has[09:28:27] <lattera> yup[09:28:47] <lattera> hrmm, I'm liking this... I think I might keep the wire, heh[09:29:25] *** nikolam__ has joined #opensolaris[09:29:56] <lattera> interesting link, I'll definitely take a look[09:29:58] *** nitrile has quit IRC[09:30:05] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:30:09] <lattera> kinda out of the budget for now, but I'm sure it will be soon ;)[09:30:17] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[09:30:19] <lblume> Yes, honestly, good bandwidth is worth a few dead roommates.[09:30:37] <lattera> rofl[09:31:10] <lewellyn> i'm actually looking at a set of those ones i linked for myself[09:31:16] <lblume> lewellyn: How much does it cost? Ithought those things were rather cheap by now, like 15€ for an adapter, something like that.[09:31:23] <lewellyn> pet rabbits, remember. they're worse than cats when it comes to wire chewing![09:31:40] <lewellyn> lblume: those are the AV version, so $100[09:31:49] *** nikolam_ has quit IRC[09:31:56] <lewellyn> "HomePlug AV technology delivers speeds up to 200 Mbps - ideal for HD video and VoIP"[09:32:18] <lewellyn> it's essentially FastEthernet over Power :D[09:33:07] <lewellyn> the base is also a 4-port switch[09:33:26] <steven43126> lewellyn: they work well, i have a set linking downstairs to upstairs. Works flawlessly not quite 200Mbps though but i to get 130 - 140...[09:33:53] <lewellyn> yeah. > 802.11g is a huge win :)[09:34:13] * Andys^ tries to use __uint128_t and gets GCC crashes[09:34:21] <steven43126> lewellyn: fast enough for me to stream movies to the XBOX anyway :)[09:35:11] <lewellyn> steven43126: faster than the pipe to the outside world is really the main concern for me :)[09:35:12] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[09:35:28] <lattera> random newb question: ON is at 137... by downloading ON and building/installing it myself, would I be fully running b137 just as if I did pkg image-update?[09:35:43] <lewellyn> since this is my "accelerated" hours, i'm doing almost 30mbit/s down on my line right now :)[09:35:49] <lewellyn> lattera: no[09:35:52] <lewellyn> just ON[09:36:05] <lewellyn> you'd have to build all the other consolidations to get everything up to 137[09:36:22] <lattera> ah[09:36:29] <lblume> In a hurry?[09:36:43] <lblume> Can't wait to get the latest bugs?[09:36:43] <steven43126> lewellyn: jelous, most of my traffic is thorttled i'm luck to get 5Mbit used to have 50Mbit from virgin media, but no cable in new house :([09:36:49] <lattera> nah, just kinda tired of waiting for IPS[09:37:08] <lewellyn> steven43126: move to .us and get a business connection ;)[09:37:22] <steven43126> is there any tidbits of information from oracle hinting on a 2010 release month ?[09:37:30] <lewellyn> lattera: is comcast business a new isp for you? i don't think i noticed you on it before[09:37:35] <strato_> <lattera> me to[09:37:37] <lewellyn> steven43126: as the topic indicates, we don't know.[09:37:54] <lattera> lewellyn: nah, I've only been business class for three weeks, though[09:38:06] <lattera> residential for three years before switching to business class[09:38:06] <lewellyn> lattera: you on the 22/8 tier? :)[09:38:28] * lewellyn has been very happy with the business service, aside from some issues not directly comcast's fault[09:38:34] <Andys^> what does this mean[09:38:35] <Andys^> # pkg install gcc-43[09:38:41] <Andys^> The following package(s) violated constraints:[09:38:41] <Andys^> Package pkg:/SUNWarc at 0 dot 5.11,5.11-0.133 conflicts with constraint in installed pkg:/entire:[09:38:41] <Andys^> Pkg SUNWarc: Optional min_version: 0.5.11,5.11-0.118 max version: 0.5.11,5.11-0.118 defined by: pkg:/entire[09:39:02] <Spencer_tt> steven43126: if you're in the UK http://www.fmn.uk.net/ethernet/?gclid=CIm8mKXShaECFY-X2AodQnCymA[09:39:05] <lattera> same here, I've had no issues with the exception of my wireless routers (not a comcast issue)[09:39:21] <Spencer_tt> remember to say ouch for the price barrier[09:39:33] <lblume> Andys^: I'd say you're trying to install a package too recent for your system.[09:40:10] <lewellyn> lattera: did you get a static IP block?[09:40:10] * Andys^ cries[09:40:21] <lblume> You're on /stable?[09:40:32] <lattera> lewellyn: yeah, just one IP, though[09:40:35] <steven43126> Spencer_tt: lol, i'll just have to live with 100Mbit at work and portable drive lol[09:40:36] <lewellyn> i'm thinking about a second line, but i'm not terribly interested if i can't get another /28 :P[09:40:39] <lewellyn> lattera: oh[09:40:46] <lattera> not a range of IPs[09:41:04] <lattera> I'm just doing a bit of hobbyist hosting, so I don't really need anything fancy[09:41:07] <lblume> Andys^: If you are, then use gcc-432.[09:41:15] <Spencer_tt> steven43126: that is totally unacceptable for someone my age ;)[09:41:16] <Andys^> lblume: i'm using 118 :([09:41:30] <Spencer_tt> '< I want it yesterday[09:42:17] <lblume> Andys^: It should do for that too.[09:42:40] <Andys^> gcc-432 didnt .. do anythin[09:42:49] <Andys^> it pkg install gcc-432[09:42:49] <Andys^> PHASE ACTIONS[09:42:50] <Andys^> Install Phase 6/6[09:42:55] <Andys^> which took about 0.5s, and then nothing?[09:42:58] <Andys^> nothing's installed[09:43:23] <steven43126> for the UK a good ISP i can reccomend is http://aaisp.net.uk/ not the cheapest but good quality connections[09:43:26] *** swa_work has quit IRC[09:43:42] <Spencer_tt> steven43126: I'm on sky it's pretty fast :)[09:44:06] <lblume> Andys^: /usr/bin/gcc-4.3.2 ?[09:44:25] <Spencer_tt> a little fibre can't hurt though[09:44:43] <Andys^> nope[09:44:50] <Andys^> it went way too quick to do anything - it didnt even download anything[09:45:54] <Andys^> ah nevermind.. worked around this gcc 3.x bug[09:46:03] <dizko> what repo has gcc-4 ?[09:46:11] <lblume> Well then, use the GUI to find out where it is[09:46:20] <dizko> i was wasting time trying to build SFEgcc today[09:46:21] <lblume> dizko: The standard one.[09:47:06] <dizko> i only see 3.4.3[09:47:28] <dizko> oh oh! i just over looked it[09:47:38] <dizko> not sure why pkg search didnt find it[09:48:03] <Spencer_tt> steven43126: is the broadband asymetric dsl[09:48:36] <Spencer_tt> from aaisp.net.uk[09:49:00] * causality uses aaisp[09:51:49] <Spencer_tt> how fast is it[09:52:15] <Spencer_tt> as advertised?[09:52:40] <ACKT1C> hi[09:53:26] <steven43126> Spencer_tt: yes, ADSL though i belive they will do SDSL as well and they provide ethernet too![09:53:48] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[09:54:04] <steven43126> Spencer_tt: they don't do any traffic shaping or the like, they will even host your own firewall in their datacenter and pass your connection through it[09:54:38] <Spencer_tt> sounds good[09:54:51] <steven43126> they have thier own irc channel[09:54:57] <Spencer_tt> noticed :)[09:55:21] <Spencer_tt> is that the one you use at work[09:55:28] <steven43126> the guy that started it all, built his own router initially, and wrote his own bgp stack way back when[09:55:42] <causality> mr kennard.[09:55:43] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:55:45] <Spencer_tt> awesome[09:55:54] <Spencer_tt> hi ACKT1C[09:55:56] <causality> Spencer_tt speed limitations arent the isps fault[09:55:59] <causality> its down to the line..[09:56:04] <ACKT1C> sup[09:56:05] <causality> i've got an adsl2+ line with A&A[09:56:14] *** dover has quit IRC[09:56:21] <causality> sync'd at 15.2/1.9[09:56:36] <causality> i had to bribe a bt engineer at the side of the road to re-write my entry cable though to achieve that :)[09:56:41] <steven43126> i will be moving back to A&A as soon as my contract with BT is up, that was a mistake i won't soon be making again![09:56:43] <causality> re-write, not re-write[09:56:49] <causality> re-wire[09:56:53] * causality seems unable to type certain words[09:57:17] <ACKT1C> http ftp irc telnet[09:57:49] <Spencer_tt> hmm I live pretty close to the exchange - I'll look into it :)[09:57:55] <causality> is this protocol bingo?[09:57:59] <ACKT1C> i'll never understand the print screen[09:58:06] <ACKT1C> i guess so[09:58:11] <causality> Spencer_tt: distance to the exchange is only one factor[09:58:25] <causality> either way, the question was about the ISP, and they're simply the best.[09:58:27] <Spencer_tt> what are the others[09:58:35] <causality> line quality..[09:59:08] <Spencer_tt> cable or fibre?[09:59:10] <causality> BT got themselves out of repairing crappy lines with the non-guaranteed speed policy[09:59:28] <causality> cable or fibre what?[10:00:07] *** niq has quit IRC[10:00:36] *** vinayak has joined #opensolaris[10:01:15] <Spencer_tt> because I would go for fibre to skip the line quality issues it would make sense when the isp is that good[10:01:51] <lblume> ADSL on fibre? Curious.[10:01:55] <causality> lblume: indeed[10:02:00] * causality wonders what reality Spencer_tt lives in :)[10:02:13] *** nikolam__ has quit IRC[10:02:16] <ACKT1C> megatrends[10:02:27] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[10:02:27] <Spencer_tt> causality: somethings in life don't change :)[10:03:18] <causality> some things :)[10:03:24] <ACKT1C> are you into boxing?[10:03:27] <ACKT1C> by any chance[10:04:21] <Spencer_tt> not really - martial arts of the gentle persuasion,[10:04:34] <Spencer_tt> why do you ask I wonder.[10:05:18] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[10:05:51] <ACKT1C> need a face lift[10:05:59] <causality> Spencer_tt: if you're rich, http://aaisp.net.uk/ethernet.html[10:07:10] <Spencer_tt> I can't afford it.[10:07:49] <Spencer_tt> ACKT1C: the former.[10:08:40] <lblume> Find a job in a company with a decent connection then :-)[10:11:12] <Spencer_tt> first I would have to justify why I need it, by the time I do I'll be doing something else.[10:11:13] <tehhobbit> uk internet connection prices is a joke[10:11:19] <Spencer_tt> lol[10:11:53] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[10:13:48] <causality> tehhobbit: compared to where?[10:14:07] <tehhobbit> sweden[10:14:10] <lewellyn> tehhobbit hasn't seen what much of america lives with[10:14:11] <causality> i dont think 17 euros/month is expensive for 24mbit[10:14:20] <Spencer_tt> or the Netherlands?[10:14:28] <lewellyn> heavily capped satellite, or dialup :([10:14:31] <tehhobbit> causality: was looking at < lblume> Find a job in a company[10:14:38] <tehhobbit> err http://aaisp.net.uk/ethernet.html[10:14:53] <causality> that was a corporate fibre connection[10:14:54] <causality> with SLA's[10:14:57] <causality> not home user..[10:15:19] <tehhobbit> never talked about home user[10:15:42] <causality> tehhobbit: so how much are business grade 100mbit connections in sweden?[10:15:43] <tehhobbit> in sweden you get 100mbit for what you have to pay for 10mbit in the uk[10:16:00] <causality> tehhobbit: do you understand the difference between a home and business connection?[10:16:05] <tehhobbit> yes[10:16:24] <causality> so how much is a business grade 100mbit connection in sweden?[10:16:34] <tehhobbit> ~1000eu[10:16:37] <causality> to an office, not inside a colo[10:18:12] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[10:18:17] <lewellyn> wait.[10:18:31] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[10:18:39] <lewellyn> tehhobbit is claiming that 10mbit is ~EUR1000 in .uk?[10:19:06] <Spencer_tt> probably when others isps catchup with virgin maybe that will be something to look at for "some" users.[10:19:09] <tehhobbit> nnection[10:19:41] <causality> Spencer_tt: it was obvious you'd been fooled by virgins marketings when you started waffling on about fibre :)[10:19:41] <tehhobbit> http://aaisp.net.uk/ethernet.html just looked there[10:19:46] <lblume> lewellyn: From the link posted above, it seems right.[10:19:59] <lewellyn> that's insane[10:20:08] <causality> lewellyn: it's a business connection..[10:20:13] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[10:20:17] *** jack_ has joined #opensolaris[10:20:19][10:20:24] <lewellyn> i know people with 10 mbit or so in .uk (business connections) for < EUR1000/mo[10:20:33] <Spencer_tt> causality: I don't buy into marketing unless I actually get virgin :p[10:20:44] <Spencer_tt> it just sounds too good to be true.[10:20:48] *** jack_ has left #opensolaris[10:20:52] <tehhobbit> lewellyn: thats why I said the connection prices where a joke[10:21:06] <causality> lewellyn: 10mbit synchronous?[10:21:13] <lblume> lewellyn: Price list vs negotiated prices?[10:22:38] * causality is wondering just how many different pages this conversion is spreading[10:22:39][10:22:52] <causality> tehhobbit: fibre?[10:23:15] <tehhobbit> endpoint is copper but thats just down the basemant fo the house[10:23:26] <tehhobbit> s/fo/in[10:23:33] <causality> well what technology are you talking about?[10:23:40] <causality> is this an inter-office link?[10:24:23] <tehhobbit> no regular internet connection (we use a vpn tunnel for inter office stuff[10:24:41] <lewellyn> here's a 10mbit leased line for 699 GBP/mo[10:24:43] <causality> tehhobbit: what technology is the connection?[10:25:02] <lewellyn> and that was the result of 30 seconds of searching[10:25:08] <lblume> Anyway, comparing UK and SE markets is pointless. Vastly different markets.[10:25:12] <lewellyn> that's cheaper than .us for a lease line[10:25:13] <causality> if you say anything other than SDSL then your statement is pointless[10:25:14] <tehhobbit> fibre to the basement of the house, copper to the offices[10:25:21] <lblume> lewellyn: That would be, like, 1000EUR? :-)[10:25:23] <tehhobbit> regular ethernet[10:25:25] <causality> lewellyn: online quotes are very appromimate[10:25:29] <lewellyn> lblume: less than 800[10:25:30] <causality> approximate[10:25:44] <causality> lblume: i wish that was the exchange rate ;)[10:25:45] <lewellyn> causality: the price table says nothing about approximate[10:25:49] <causality> lewellyn: it is[10:25:56] <causality> the install price varies too, depending on carrier[10:26:04] <lblume> Really? Wow, GBP is going alll the way down with the USD then?[10:26:08] <gebi> in vienna you get home 100mbit symetric connections currently for 60euro[10:26:11] <causality> lewellyn: also its based on zones[10:26:14] <lewellyn> "Please contact us for a formal quote on speeds above 20Mbps" is about the only approximation i see[10:26:20] <tehhobbit> lewellyn: still you get a 100mbit connection in .se for 1000eu[10:26:23] <causality> lewellyn: i'm telling you how it works here, if you're interested.[10:26:42] * causality has only got about 100 leased lines here[10:26:48] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[10:27:11] *** niq has quit IRC[10:27:14] <lewellyn> causality: i'm looking at their datasheets and price lists. their pricing looks pretty flat[10:27:19] *** darkdevil is now known as DarkDevil[10:27:26] <causality> lewellyn: url[10:27:37] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[10:27:41] <lewellyn> http://www.edgetelecom.co.uk/leased-lines[10:28:37] <lewellyn> it was the first result i got in google, so i doubt they're the best pricing out there[10:28:49] <CodeWar> comcast 50mbps costs 100 USD in my area[10:29:06] <causality> lewellyn: doesnt appear to include the carrier[10:29:08] <causality> thats just IP prices[10:29:12] <lewellyn> i pay about $120 for 22/8 and a /28[10:29:33] <lewellyn> causality: sure doesn't appear that way[10:29:51] <lewellyn> "It should be noted that the Lease Connect product is a data pipe and the pipe can be configured in a wide number of ways to suit the needs of the customer."[10:30:16] <causality> lewellyn: that also looks like its only their very local area[10:30:21] <causality> and will be using their own SDSL hardware[10:30:31] <lewellyn> it doesn't look like sdsl[10:30:32] <causality> if you look at the fibre leased lines section its a lot more realistic[10:30:48] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[10:30:58] <lewellyn> and as i said, it was the first google link[10:31:44] <causality> "Please use our Product Availability Checker to confirm that your location is "on-net"."[10:31:50] <causality> it's just their own private local network[10:31:54] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[10:31:57] *** twisti has quit IRC[10:32:33] <lewellyn> it's still 10mbit for < 1000[10:32:37] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[10:33:00] <causality> it's not in the context of the discussion[10:33:11] <causality> i can put a chair in Telehouse in London and get 100mbit a lot cheaper but it'd be a pointless statement[10:33:17] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:33:37] <causality> the context of the discussion was the prices of A&A fibre to the office connections[10:33:44] <causality> for internet access[10:36:28] <madwizard> Coffee[10:37:59] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:39:05] <causality> savoury cheese on malted wheatgrain bread[10:39:23] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[10:39:30] <lblume> Hmmmmm.... I wouldn't say no to some reblochon right now.[10:39:53] <causality> wassat[10:39:57] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[10:39:57] <lblume> But last time I saw one, the price was the same as one month of my internet access :-([10:40:42] <lblume> Delicious French cheese :-9[10:41:27] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[10:43:03] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[10:43:15] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[10:43:16] *** Shoggoth has left #opensolaris[10:43:43] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[10:44:37] *** dalibor has quit IRC[10:45:14] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[10:46:10] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[10:46:11] *** lattera has quit IRC[10:47:38] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[10:51:53] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[10:52:11] <Spencer_tt> lblume: a job is a really interesting proposition, it really depends on openings, it's more of a question of where.[10:55:36] *** lateau has quit IRC[11:00:05] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[11:07:46] *** zedrich has quit IRC[11:07:57] *** zedrich has joined #opensolaris[11:09:13] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:09:22] * causality wonders if Spencer_tt is a bot[11:10:43] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:11:37] <madwizard> I think he needs coffee[11:11:49] <Spencer_tt> :D[11:12:32] <Spencer_tt> I'll take the coffee later.[11:12:56] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[11:12:57] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[11:20:37] <madwizard> I'll have it now[11:21:41] *** niq has quit IRC[11:23:49] *** m4rku5 has joined #opensolaris[11:28:20] *** houst0n has quit IRC[11:28:32] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[11:28:50] *** RoyK has quit IRC[11:29:02] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[11:30:45] *** PatrickS has quit IRC[11:30:53] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[11:36:38] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[11:43:43] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[11:44:48] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[11:50:51] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[11:52:05] *** my007ms has quit IRC[11:52:17] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[11:52:26] *** my007ms has joined #opensolaris[11:55:36] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[12:02:48] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[12:04:46] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[12:06:32] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[12:08:30] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[12:08:33] *** twisti has quit IRC[12:09:53] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[12:13:02] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[12:14:36] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:14:36] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[12:16:35] *** ma3x has quit IRC[12:16:50] *** ma3x__ is now known as ma3x[12:25:23] *** chendy has quit IRC[12:30:12] *** radsy has quit IRC[12:30:24] *** ACKT1C has quit IRC[12:32:43] <Spencer_tt> madwizard: confession with no box, I had some coffee.[12:33:00] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:33:52] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[12:35:21] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[12:48:33] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:49:35] *** snuff-home2 has joined #opensolaris[12:51:19] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[12:51:31] *** phil_ has joined #opensolaris[12:51:52] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[12:53:46] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[12:53:46] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[12:55:02] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[12:55:55] *** winstonw has quit IRC[12:57:27] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[12:58:34] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[13:02:34] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris[13:06:11] *** tsoome has quit IRC[13:06:11] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome[13:13:10] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[13:15:40] *** bklang has quit IRC[13:22:13] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[13:22:19] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[13:24:20] *** bsdguru has quit IRC[13:25:28] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[13:28:07] *** morettoni has joined #opensolaris[13:28:31] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[13:29:10] * DarkDevil back.. and hi all :)[13:29:31] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:30:31] *** morettoni has quit IRC[13:31:31] *** tripitaka has joined #opensolaris[13:32:44] *** Okona has joined #opensolaris[13:34:01] <tripitaka> Hi, I'm using osol-132, trying to configure networking. I've got a vlan/ipmp setup using physical:default. When I reboot the server, the interfaces all come up FAILED, but if I disable the service, unplumb all the interfaces and start it again, the interfaces come up fine. Has anyone seen this before?[13:36:12] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[13:43:49] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[13:46:57] *** fuku1 has joined #opensolaris[13:49:20] *** fuku has quit IRC[13:49:38] <madwizard> Coffee[13:49:49] *** twisti has quit IRC[13:49:50] *** vinayak has quit IRC[13:50:46] *** tg has quit IRC[13:50:55] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[13:54:35] *** gm152 has quit IRC[13:55:57] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[13:58:28] *** chilicuil1 has quit IRC[13:59:18] *** tsoome has quit IRC[14:00:05] *** samc has quit IRC[14:00:12] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[14:00:18] *** tg` has joined #opensolaris[14:00:26] *** tg` is now known as tg[14:03:09] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[14:07:38] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris[14:12:31] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[14:13:01] *** smrt has quit IRC[14:14:27] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[14:14:29] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[14:15:02] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[14:15:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[14:17:26] <amgarching> Hi, how do verify if the SAS controller was recognized by OpenSolaris and loaded the corresponding driver?[14:17:53] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[14:18:07] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[14:18:53] <Shoggoth> hi all[14:19:29] <seanmcg> amgarching, does format see the disks attached to the sas controller ?[14:20:46] <Shoggoth> so what's the best strategy on an opensolaris box to regain control from a run away process that's caused the box to become unresponsive (but still responds to ping)[14:21:15] <Andys^> ouch[14:21:25] *** ozux has quit IRC[14:21:57] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[14:22:31] <Shoggoth> yes... it's a PV Xen domU[14:22:45] <Shoggoth> I'm just looking at the output of xm top[14:22:56] *** coolvibe has joined #opensolaris[14:23:16] <Shoggoth> cpu 55% mem 75%[14:23:24] <Shoggoth> so not blocking on either[14:24:02] <Shoggoth> iirc from way back when I did SPARCstation admin duties (a loooong time ago) you could stop-a and somehow kill the rouge process[14:24:36] <amgarching> seanmcg: there is only the tape library that is attached to that controller. Where do the boot-messages go? The thing which is output by "dmesg" in linux.[14:25:40] <coolvibe> amgarching: you mean /var/adm/messages?[14:25:49] <Shoggoth> eh... actually I take that back... maxmem _is_ 75% so I think it must've gone into crazy page land[14:26:20] <seanmcg> amgarching, what coolvibe said[14:26:27] <Shoggoth> what's the usual response on and out of memory condition? kill the process... or does the whole box tank?[14:26:46] <seanmcg> amgarching, does the mt command let you say rewind any tape devices ?[14:27:43] *** DarkDevil is now known as darkdevil[14:27:53] <Shoggoth> seanmcg: yes it does[14:29:06] *** darkdevil is now known as DarkDevil[14:29:06] <seanmcg> there you go then :)[14:29:28] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb[14:29:42] <Shoggoth> ok... so what's the equivalent to the ol' "Stop-A" on an x86 box?[14:29:57] *** fuku1 has left #opensolaris[14:31:18] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[14:32:31] <amgarching> scanpci shows this "pci bus 0x0004 cardnum 0x00 function 0x00: vendor 0x9005 device 0x0450", Adaptec ASC-1405 Unified Serial HBA. I cannot match these numbers to any entry in "prtconf -d". Should they match?[14:33:07] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[14:33:15] <amgarching> seanmcg: /dev/rmt is empty, I dont know what to provide to "mt -f"[14:34:35] <amgarching> coolvibe, seanmcg: /var/adm/messages* dont even mention Adaptec, does it mean the controller was not recognized?[14:37:23] <seanmcg> does prtconf -dv would tell you if theres a driver attached.[14:39:47] *** DarkDevil is now known as darkdevil[14:42:05] <amgarching> pci11ab,6440 (pciex9005,450) (driver not attached), game over?[14:43:03] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[14:43:34] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[14:43:35] <asyd> any cachefs users?[14:45:54] *** alka_ has joined #opensolaris[14:46:14] <coolvibe> amgarching: it's possible, indeed check prtconf[14:47:02] <coolvibe> ah, I should read back better :P[14:47:19] <jmcp> amgarching: you're looking for pci9005.450 in the prtconf -v output[14:48:08] *** rservers has quit IRC[14:48:11] <coolvibe> amgarching: you could also try http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp[14:48:28] <jmcp> I don't think that hba is supported by aac(7d)[14:49:48] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[14:49:57] <jmcp> but you could log an rfe about it - bugs.opensolaris.org, solaris/kernel/driver-aac, iirc[14:50:00] * jmcp heads bedwards[14:51:07] * lewellyn has questions for jmcp ;)[14:51:33] *** snuff-home2 is now known as snuff-home[14:53:34] <coolvibe> lewellyn: too late :)[14:53:57] <lewellyn> coolvibe: questions like "why isn't jmcp in bed?" ;)[14:54:10] <coolvibe> heh[14:55:24] <CIA-21> Marek Pospisil <Marek.Pospisil at Sun dot COM>: 6940699 no reboot audit leaves auditd disabled across reboot.[14:55:49] <effnorwood> i think more like why did jmcp tell me about bugs.opensolaris.org[14:57:28] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[14:57:31] <lewellyn> effnorwood: when?[14:57:47] <effnorwood> lewellyn: nevermind. let me drink my coffee. :)[14:57:47] <lewellyn> i only saw him tell amgarching just now[14:57:50] <lewellyn> k[15:01:47] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[15:01:48] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[15:02:51] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:03:02] <Shoggoth> what's the normal timeline of a box with a rogue process that's memory bound?[15:04:30] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[15:04:44] <Shoggoth> anyone?[15:05:19] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[15:06:03] *** smrt has quit IRC[15:06:58] *** fedreric has joined #opensolaris[15:07:13] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[15:08:09] *** eleusis has quit IRC[15:08:18] <Shoggoth> :-([15:09:45] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[15:09:46] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[15:09:50] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[15:09:52] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[15:10:30] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[15:13:28] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[15:13:46] <amgarching> coolvibe: thanks, that java kit confirms that HBA is not supported. There is no aac(7d) on my system though.[15:14:39] *** darkdevil is now known as DarkDevil[15:15:58] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[15:16:02] <forquare> Anyone know how to run X applications in a zone? I'm trying to use things like firefox, and also things like gnome-system-monitor, but I'm getting errors saying: process 9033: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory when I try to forward X over SSH[15:17:41] <coolvibe> dbus probably isn't running in the zone[15:20:16] <forquare> coolvibe: OK, any idea how (if) D-bus can run in a zone?[15:20:20] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[15:20:44] <amgarching> I just did "pkg install aac", to give that kernel driver a chance I need to reboot or rather do more than that?[15:20:53] <coolvibe> forquare: it's probably something you can enable with svcadm[15:21:01] <forquare> coolvibe: cheers[15:21:16] *** vivid has quit IRC[15:22:13] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[15:22:59] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[15:23:05] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[15:23:59] <seanmcg> amgarching, devfsadm -Cv[15:25:01] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[15:25:34] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[15:25:47] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[15:26:03] *** tg has quit IRC[15:26:20] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[15:26:39] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC[15:26:42] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris[15:26:53] *** twisti has quit IRC[15:27:12] <dmarkey> can anyone tell me if `uuidgen` exists as standard on Sol10 and O/S[15:28:06] *** calumb is now known as calSHOP[15:28:43] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:28:48] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[15:29:10] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[15:30:08] *** stathis has joined #opensolaris[15:32:18] * DarkDevil @ lunch time.. ttyl :) hf[15:33:14] *** Beket has quit IRC[15:33:41] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[15:34:10] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[15:36:47] *** ma3x has quit IRC[15:41:02] <CosmicDJ> dmarkey: docs.sun.com has all the manpages for sol10, and I bet if it's in sol10, it's also in osol[15:41:22] <dmarkey> CosmicDJ: thanks[15:41:31] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[15:46:32] *** twisti_ is now known as twisti[15:50:00] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[15:50:54] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[15:55:20] *** Erwann has quit IRC[15:57:27] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[16:02:17] *** djl1 has joined #opensolaris[16:04:33] *** djl1 has left #opensolaris[16:06:55] <TomJ> dmarkey: I don't have it on any system, so I don't think it's standard, no[16:07:03] <TomJ> neither on b134 or Solaris 10[16:07:48] <dmarkey> yea, it comes with e2fsutils on linux, i doubt that package exists on solaris somehow :)[16:07:51] *** Reepicheep has joined #opensolaris[16:07:56] *** PrestonConnors has joined #opensolaris[16:08:10] <TomJ> yes exactly , I was just about to say it's part of e2fsprogs[16:08:15] <TomJ> which of course has no Solaris equivalent[16:08:25] <TomJ> if you got the source it might be possible to compile it[16:08:34] <TomJ> depending on whether it's all tied in to Linux internal stuff[16:08:41] *** stathis has quit IRC[16:08:41] *** calSHOP is now known as calumb[16:09:01] <CosmicDJ> it's also in freebsd if you need a BSDL one[16:09:53] *** gebi has quit IRC[16:10:22] <effnorwood> e2fsutils will take a long time to get working in the Solaris world yes[16:10:39] <TomJ> hardly much point, they're on to ext4 now[16:10:48] <PrestonConnors> Hello, I am trying to get the iSCSI initiator service out of maintenance mode in snv_134 ; I cleared the maintenance flag and restarted the service but it does not help. The log file the error message is referencing is also not giving me any insight on what the problem may be. Here is the output from some relevant commands: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1859990 Any insight would be greatly appreciated![16:11:30] <coolvibe> I thing uuidgen from FreeBSD will compile fine on Solaris[16:14:48] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[16:15:54] *** jMCg has joined #opensolaris[16:15:58] *** |synegy34| has quit IRC[16:16:09] <jMCg> Hi folks, having trouble installing a piece of software: http://dpaste.com/183778/[16:19:17] *** wdp_aao__ has joined #opensolaris[16:20:38] *** chendy has quit IRC[16:21:27] <Meths> jMCg: Which build are you installing on? Have you tried s/SUNWpstl/platform/ ?[16:22:52] *** wdp_aao_ has quit IRC[16:23:23] <jMCg> OpenSolaris Development snv_130 X86[16:23:39] <jMCg> Meths: ^ -- and no, I haven't done that yet.[16:23:52] <Meths> don't bother if you're on 130[16:23:54] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[16:24:13] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[16:24:22] *** mmealling1 has quit IRC[16:24:47] <jMCg> http://dpaste.com/183782/ Ah. Okay... ...[16:26:07] <wereHamster> host <myhostname> -> 2001:1620:f...; ping -s <myhostname> -> 64 bytes from 99.f6.ead8.static.theplanet.com (216.234.246.153)[16:26:11] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:26:21] <wereHamster> wtf? Why is ping using the wrong address?[16:26:49] <wereHamster> <myhostname> has no ipv4 address associated with it. nowhere (not locally, not in dns)[16:26:50] <Meths> jMCg: Oh, hmmm, it's found the right package in that list. What's your uname -a output?[16:26:54] <megaTherion> ping != ping6[16:27:09] <wereHamster> ping6: command not found[16:27:27] <wereHamster> so, if ping detects that the host has no ipv4 address it simply chooses a random one?[16:27:30] <lblume> There is no ping6 on Solaris.[16:27:35] <megaTherion> not really no[16:27:41] <megaTherion> thats your v4[16:27:42] <megaTherion> ;)[16:28:03] <jMCg> Meths: SunOS knock 5.11 snv_130 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[16:28:34] <wereHamster> I have absolutely no idea who/what 99.f6.ead8.static.theplanet.com is, I've never heard of them[16:29:38] <megaTherion> wereHamster: what's your <myhostname>?[16:29:41] <lblume> wereHamster: What's <myhostname>?[16:29:49] <megaTherion> your IPv4 has an rdns to this address obviously[16:30:06] <DarkDevil> [16:34] * Dns resolved 99.f6.ead8.static.theplanet.com to 216.234.246.153[16:30:08] <DarkDevil> its this :D[16:30:20] <megaTherion> 153.246.234.216.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 99.f6.ead8.static.theplanet.com.[16:30:23] <megaTherion> true[16:30:33] <lblume> I'd rather say, that there is a <myhostname>.com that the resolver got from .com or .org[16:30:57] <lblume> And that the IP associated to that address is the one we're getting here, but is not related at all with wereHamster.[16:30:57] <DarkDevil> IP Information for 216.234.246.153[16:30:59] <DarkDevil> IP Location: United States Dallas Theplanet.com Internet Services Inc[16:30:59] <DarkDevil> Resolve Host: 99.f6.ead8.static.theplanet.com[16:30:59] <DarkDevil> IP Address: 216.234.246.153[16:30:59] <DarkDevil> Reverse IP: 2 other sites hosted on this server.[16:30:59] <DarkDevil> OrgName: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc.[16:30:59] <DarkDevil> OrgID: TPCM[16:31:00] <DarkDevil> Address: 315 Capitol[16:31:00] <DarkDevil> Address: Suite 205[16:31:01] <DarkDevil> City: Houston[16:31:01] <DarkDevil> StateProv: TX[16:31:01] <DarkDevil> PostalCode: 77002[16:31:02] <DarkDevil> Country: US[16:31:07] <lblume> You guys are forgetting that the resolver makes more than one try.[16:31:21] <lblume> DarkDevil: Please stop spamming.[16:31:27] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[16:31:31] <DarkDevil> done[16:31:33] <DarkDevil> :P[16:31:37] <Meths> jMCg: Weird, well the package you're trying to get is equivalent to developer/apptrace/platform but I thought the new names would only come in with b133. Don't know if specifying that new name will work or not. Whether it works or not both situations are a bug so you probably need to file a bug report.[16:31:51] <wereHamster> <myhostname> is calvin.caurea.org, but you won't be able to reach it[16:32:15] <wereHamster> s/reach/resolve/[16:32:25] <megaTherion> then its not yours ;)[16:32:32] <lblume> It does resolve.[16:32:36] <megaTherion> therion@atwork ~ > host calvin.caurea.org <16:35[16:32:36] <megaTherion> calvin.caurea.org has IPv6 address 2001:1620:f00:33::2[16:32:40] *** ampex has quit IRC[16:32:44] <megaTherion> its yours but you dont have an rdns[16:32:53] <wereHamster> ok, good.[16:32:54] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[16:33:10] <megaTherion> and it doesnt solve into a different v4 to me[16:33:13] <jMCg> Meths: I guess I should somehow try to upgrade the entire distribution...[16:33:31] <megaTherion> wereHamster: but I can reach it from my v4 line ;)[16:33:39] <megaTherion> 93.396ms[16:33:40] <wereHamster> megaTherion: even if you try to ping it (ping -s calvin.caurea.org)[16:33:52] <megaTherion> wereHamster: no I've FBSD8 on another machine[16:34:18] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[16:34:33] <lblume> It properly says unknown host here.[16:35:35] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[16:35:47] <megaTherion> wereHamster: donno why osol has no ipv6 tools honestly never tried v6 on solaris*[16:36:03] <wereHamster> megaTherion: osol does have v6 tools[16:36:21] <lblume> megaTherion: The tools on Solaris can do both.[16:36:22] <megaTherion> o really?[16:36:25] <megaTherion> then I dont have 'em installed[16:36:40] <wereHamster> megaTherion: but they are not separate binaries[16:36:40] <lblume> Yes, you have. You just didn't read the manuals.[16:36:50] <megaTherion> hmm ok[16:39:26] *** hnhn has quit IRC[16:40:37] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[16:40:59] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[16:41:24] *** ampex has joined #opensolaris[16:41:33] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[16:42:18] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[16:42:54] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[16:44:53] *** DarkDevil has left #opensolaris[16:47:32] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[16:48:01] *** gjl has joined #opensolaris[16:49:41] *** Kementari has joined #opensolaris[16:50:45] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[16:50:59] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[16:51:23] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[16:52:56] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[16:54:36] *** RoyK has quit IRC[16:58:35] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:01:16] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC[17:01:36] *** xapiens has quit IRC[17:02:50] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[17:03:17] *** houst0n has left #opensolaris[17:03:32] *** chendy has quit IRC[17:03:50] *** chototsu has quit IRC[17:03:54] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[17:04:10] *** johe has joined #opensolaris[17:04:19] *** chototsu has joined #opensolaris[17:05:07] *** extor has quit IRC[17:05:46] *** Kementari has left #opensolaris[17:05:48] *** jonshea has joined #opensolaris[17:06:28] *** strato_ has quit IRC[17:06:43] *** tg has quit IRC[17:07:30] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[17:07:45] *** tg has quit IRC[17:08:31] *** strato_ has joined #opensolaris[17:09:04] *** silas- has quit IRC[17:12:31] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[17:12:33] *** lblume has quit IRC[17:15:05] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[17:18:06] *** merzo has quit IRC[17:19:33] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[17:19:38] *** eXeC001er has joined #opensolaris[17:19:54] <eXeC001er> Hi[17:20:56] <eXeC001er> any information about degrade perfomance of ZFS if low-space on disk ?[17:22:13] <seanmcg> same with any filesystem.. performance degrades with low space on the dataset(s)[17:22:27] <seanmcg> it has to do more work to find places to put data[17:23:25] <eXeC001er> how many disk space needed for ZFS for best perfomance ?[17:23:39] <seanmcg> how many can you have ?[17:23:53] <seanmcg> the more disks the better, spread the load amongst the spindles[17:24:03] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:24:04] <tsoome> maybe you are looking from wrong side?[17:24:31] *** noxis has joined #opensolaris[17:24:42] <tsoome> how much perfomance your app needs?[17:24:42] <eXeC001er> example: i have 10 TB storage. How many disk space i need to reserve for save perfomance?[17:24:47] <noxis> I just plumbed igb1 - configured an ipaddress but I cant ping it. How come?[17:25:32] <tsoome> ah, you mean to prevent zfs to switch from perfomance to space[17:25:33] <seanmcg> eXeC001er, how much data is being comsumed over time ?[17:25:49] <coolvibe> noxis: if it's your default interface, did you set a default router?[17:25:55] <tsoome> some sources suggest its around 20%, not sure how correct it is[17:26:05] <noxis> its actually a second interface plugged directly into another server[17:26:10] * seanmcg agrees with tsoome[17:26:16] <coolvibe> noxis: does it have a link?[17:26:17] <noxis> but regardless, tcp should be up and able to ping itself[17:26:40] <noxis> dladm show-link shows state=up[17:26:45] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[17:27:29] <coolvibe> noxis: is the other side configured properly (right subnet, etc etc)[17:27:35] <noxis> yup[17:27:47] <noxis> i just chose a stupid high rfc1918 range[17:28:00] <coolvibe> if you snoop on that interface, do you see ARP-requests?[17:28:26] *** mustang has quit IRC[17:28:30] <eXeC001er> tsoome: seanmcg: agree, 20% for large volumes - it is big size ?[17:28:43] <noxis> is snoop opensolaris version of tcpdump?[17:29:02] <coolvibe> noxis: yeah, it is. look for arp requests from the other machine[17:29:23] <coolvibe> if there is no arp at all, there is something amiss[17:29:23] <tsoome> noxis: really cant say which is which version:P[17:29:24] <noxis> yea they coming through[17:29:27] <longcat> uh kinda. but tcpdump also works on opensolaris so... use the best tool[17:29:40] <noxis> arps are coming through[17:29:48] <coolvibe> is your machine replying to them as well?[17:30:38] <coolvibe> (show us ifconfig igb1 too while you are at it) :)[17:30:38] <noxis> yea they arping each other[17:31:08] <noxis> igb1: flags=1000842<BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4> mtu 1500 index 5 inet 10.250.250.2 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 10.250.250.255 ether 0:30:48:da:fe:9f[17:31:12] <tsoome> eXeC001er: well, i havent digged into that, so i cant really say for 100% sure its 20%. you may ask from zfs-discuss or something[17:31:14] <noxis> i did /24 just because[17:31:39] <coolvibe> noxis: it's not up[17:31:51] <PrestonConnors> Hello, I am trying to get the iSCSI initiator service out of maintenance mode in snv_134 ; I cleared the maintenance flag and restarted the service but it does not help. The log file the error message is referencing is also not giving me any insight on what the problem may be. Here is the output from some relevant commands: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1859990 Any insight would be greatly appreciated! I will offer $50 via paypal for a[17:31:55] <coolvibe> noxis: ifconfig igb1 up[17:32:34] <noxis> gah[17:32:37] <coolvibe> :)[17:32:38] <noxis> fuck sake..[17:32:40] <noxis> thanks :)[17:32:45] <coolvibe> no problem :)[17:33:07] <coolvibe> another happy customer leaves the building... :)[17:33:11] <noxis> lolz[17:33:16] * noxis sticks around[17:33:24] <coolvibe> it works now?[17:33:26] <noxis> ya[17:33:42] <coolvibe> obvious stuff is usually hardest to find[17:33:52] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[17:34:34] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[17:36:35] *** |Inthewings| has joined #opensolaris[17:37:40] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[17:37:40] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[17:37:48] *** stewart has quit IRC[17:39:06] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: do you have a valid IP interface?[17:39:14] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: Yes.[17:39:38] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: and you can ping your proposed client?[17:39:45] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: Yes.[17:40:19] <TommyTheKid> PrestonConnors: you should probably pastebin the output of "iscsiadm list initiator-node" (??)[17:40:30] <TommyTheKid> I am referencing <http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenIT/Configuring+iSCSI+(COMSTAR)+for+xVM+use>[17:40:34] *** lattera has quit IRC[17:41:12] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: pastebin output of itadm list-target -v and stmfadm list-lu -v and stmfadm list-target -v[17:41:18] <PrestonConnors> TommyTheKid: Okay, it is at the bottom of this pastebin: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1860094[17:41:45] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: Okay give me one moment.[17:42:05] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[17:42:48] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: Okay it is at the bottom of http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1860095[17:42:52] <TommyTheKid> ok, so I have a "hardware" question... any idea why OpenSolaris would see my ttya as ttyb? (Sun x4450) .. I reset to optimal defaults, latest bios[17:43:15] <TommyTheKid> i wonder why I can't connect to opensolaris.pastebin.ca today[17:43:30] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[17:44:29] <TommyTheKid> i could reach a google cache of it :p[17:44:32] <PrestonConnors> I am using "legacy" iSCSI I guess you could say.[17:44:36] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[17:45:05] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: yes you are. any specific reason?[17:45:09] <TommyTheKid> oooh, I didn't think legacy iSCSI was very easy to use on OpenSolaris[17:45:21] <TommyTheKid> you have to painstakingly remove the comstar stuff IIRC?[17:45:34] <effnorwood> TommyTheKid: yea, that's the issue[17:45:54] <TommyTheKid> I decided against playing with Sun VDI because of that :)[17:46:17] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: The legacy was doing fine and giving the performance we were happy with. :( (but now it's broken!!)[17:47:13] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: legacy iSCSI support is not a core developer focus as much as comstar is[17:47:23] *** ma3x has quit IRC[17:47:25] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: I understand. :/[17:47:29] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: and you will find comstar iSCSI *much* faster[17:47:41] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: read this and it will give you a good overview of how to do it - http://blog.laspina.ca/ubiquitous/running-zfs-over-iscsi-as-a-vmware-vmfs-store[17:47:57] <noxis> i found comstar about 2 - 3 times faster at transferring data than cifs and nfs[17:48:02] <PrestonConnors> ok[17:48:06] *** dajhorn has joined #opensolaris[17:48:09] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: i would simply re-share your existing luns via comstar - enjoy![17:48:10] <noxis> (although I realise they serve different purposes)[17:48:14] <PrestonConnors> I am getting 90% of wirespeed with the legacy.[17:48:15] <coolvibe> comstar is very cool[17:49:08] <effnorwood> PrestonConnors: but you are not getting it to work right now and you will find it unsupported soon[17:49:23] <PrestonConnors> effnorwood: you are right[17:50:40] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[17:50:44] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[17:51:39] <TommyTheKid> ooh meeting :([17:55:26] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[17:57:02] *** ma3x__ is now known as ma3x[17:57:13] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[17:58:06] *** ma3x_ has quit IRC[17:58:10] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:58:41] *** kinkie has quit IRC[18:00:47] *** corretico has joined #opensolaris[18:03:12] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:03:39] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[18:05:18] *** bklang has quit IRC[18:05:32] *** ma3x has quit IRC[18:08:05] *** milek_ has quit IRC[18:08:54] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:10:06] *** alka_ is now known as alka[18:11:09] *** hohum has quit IRC[18:11:21] *** MattBenjamin has joined #opensolaris[18:11:43] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[18:13:11] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[18:16:17] *** mikefut has quit IRC[18:17:42] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[18:20:17] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[18:20:19] *** RoyK has quit IRC[18:21:41] *** yippi has quit IRC[18:22:54] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[18:24:21] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[18:24:23] *** hohum has joined #opensolaris[18:25:08] <madwizard> coffee[18:26:48] *** yippi has quit IRC[18:27:00] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:28:02] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[18:28:13] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[18:28:18] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[18:29:05] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[18:29:40] *** yippi has quit IRC[18:30:11] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[18:30:24] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[18:31:37] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[18:32:59] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[18:33:08] *** zazenrasta has quit IRC[18:33:25] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:34:57] *** yippi has quit IRC[18:36:10] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[18:36:41] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris[18:37:03] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[18:43:45] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[18:44:44] *** swift has quit IRC[18:45:09] *** swift_ is now known as swift[18:45:50] *** alka has quit IRC[18:47:38] *** alka has joined #opensolaris[18:49:15] *** randw has quit IRC[18:51:26] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:53:23] *** tripitaka has quit IRC[18:53:32] <TommyTheKid> so, any idea why OpenSolaris would see my "com1" port as ttyb? This is a Sun x4450 with latest BIOS and reset to "optimal" defaults[18:54:04] *** astra-x has quit IRC[18:54:29] <asyd> TommyTheKid: alom's virtual tty[18:54:41] <asyd> sth like that[18:54:46] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[18:55:26] <CIA-21> Jack Meng <Jack.Meng at Sun dot COM>: 6828395 iscsi initiator should be able to handle addtion/removal of luns, 6900775 deadlock in iscsi initiator during reboot with 199 LUNs, 6875464 fix the session state machine[18:55:52] <TommyTheKid> asyd: yes, I am trying to use the ilom console, and that should be ttya, but for some reason Solaris sees it as ttyb[18:56:02] <lattera> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=474348&tstart=0#474348[18:56:07] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[18:56:22] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[18:56:30] <asyd> ah[18:56:31] <lattera> it's the little things like that that makes me worry about the future of opensolaris, but maybe I'm worrying over nothing[18:57:15] <TommyTheKid> Oracle seems to care about actually *making* money (for some odd reason), when they take away the free download I will be worried[18:58:11] *** tomocha6 has joined #opensolaris[18:59:21] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[19:00:14] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[19:00:20] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[19:00:43] <TommyTheKid> re: serial ports, a->3fa and b->2f8, so that seems right (although it has been a *long* time since I messed with PC's at that level) :)[19:01:35] *** vivid has quit IRC[19:01:49] <Stric> TommyTheKid: 3f8, 2f8, 3e8, 2e8[19:04:08] <coolvibe> TommyTheKid: there will still be opensolaris[19:04:32] <coolvibe> which will always be free[19:04:45] <coolvibe> open source and all that[19:05:02] <TommyTheKid> true[19:05:18] *** stewart has quit IRC[19:05:28] <TommyTheKid> Stric: thats what I thought... checkd in BIOS and it looks right too.. I wonder if the latest BIOS changed the mapping?[19:05:45] <TommyTheKid> i.e. which one is "1" and which one is "2"[19:06:22] <Stric> not that there would be any point in breaking a 20 year old standard, for no gain.. but it wouldn't be the first time..[19:09:04] <eklof> I have a 1TB disk as backup-pool to which I copy data from my main pool. Is there a way to have an active disk listed as a "spare" so that in any case a disk in my main pool fails, the data on the backup is discarded and let it resilver into the main pool? If you understand what I mean.[19:11:35] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[19:11:51] *** webar7 has quit IRC[19:12:06] <effnorwood> tsoome: zilstat - awesome, thanks![19:12:22] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[19:12:29] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[19:13:22] <gnut> hi all[19:13:59] *** dajhorn has joined #opensolaris[19:14:05] <tsoome> :)[19:14:24] <gnut> I've checked the HCL, but can't seem to find much info on the newer line of laptops. anyone here used osol on something with the intel centrino 2 based wifi cards?[19:15:18] <gnut> or rather... is there any reason to believe that if I got one of these laptops, I'll be stuck with no wireless if using osol?[19:16:15] <coolvibe> i have one of those newer types (acer timeline) and wifi is supopo[19:16:20] <coolvibe> suppo,rted[19:16:24] *** yippi has quit IRC[19:16:46] <coolvibe> my on board lan isn't for that matter[19:17:00] <coolvibe> at least not out of the box[19:18:36] <ShadowHntr> my iwl4965agn worked out of the box[19:19:06] *** sipior has quit IRC[19:19:23] *** Sloar has joined #opensolaris[19:19:47] <gnut> I wish they would give more info on what wired lan chip they use... it just says ethernet 10/100/1000 base T[19:20:16] <gnut> coolvibe: ShadowHntr: thanks. so intel chipsets are good for wifi.. that's good to hear..[19:20:18] <Stric> the internet probably has 'lspci -nn' output from linux[19:20:26] <Stric> which specifies pci ids..[19:20:31] <ShadowHntr> yeah i haven't tried broadcom chipsets on osol yet[19:20:45] *** Sloar has left #opensolaris[19:20:52] <ShadowHntr> i also have a broadcom 43xx that i replaced with the intel[19:20:54] <gnut> ShadowHntr: I have some broadcom wifi chips on an old dell laptop[19:21:06] <ShadowHntr> it required firmware in addition to the driver in opensuse[19:21:09] <gnut> no work without NDIS... and even then, only in 32-bit mode.[19:21:09] *** Sloar has joined #opensolaris[19:21:21] <gnut> it's very annoying... I'm anti-broadcom now for that.[19:21:21] *** Sloar has left #opensolaris[19:21:29] <ShadowHntr> i don't mind broadcom[19:21:39] <ShadowHntr> i tend to avoid linksys products if i can[19:21:43] <ShadowHntr> long story.[19:21:52] <gnut> heh[19:22:07] *** RoyK has quit IRC[19:22:10] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:22:18] <gnut> how about the nvidia geforce gt 330m... is that on your laptop?[19:22:44] *** funbun has quit IRC[19:22:51] <gnut> I went to the nvidia web page but there are no linux/opensolaris drivers for that...[19:24:11] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[19:25:02] *** fedreric has quit IRC[19:25:30] *** n1c0b has joined #opensolaris[19:25:57] <ShadowHntr> not mine[19:26:07] <ShadowHntr> radeon xpress 1250[19:26:34] <ShadowHntr> still has some quirks with DRI[19:27:21] <ShadowHntr> i think i'm going to replace my dualboot linux side on my laptop with opensolaris again[19:27:26] <ShadowHntr> see how the latest build performs.[19:27:57] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[19:28:02] <ShadowHntr> gnut: if your laptop is certified as centrino, it probably has a intel pro/1000 of some kind[19:29:55] *** jshsmn has left #opensolaris[19:30:08] <gnut> ShadowHntr: okay... thanks. forgot about that whole centrino thing.[19:30:15] <ShadowHntr> no worries :][19:31:49] *** victori has quit IRC[19:31:57] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[19:31:59] <eviljames> ShadowHntr: my lappy triple boots linux, osol & vista[19:32:10] <eviljames> ShadowHntr: Let me tell you, that's a painful procedure to get *just* right. I'll never change it again hahahah[19:32:12] <ShadowHntr> cool[19:32:16] <deet> why vista?[19:32:20] <ShadowHntr> currently i have opensuse and windows 7[19:32:22] <deet> windows 7 is miles better[19:32:23] <eviljames> deet: Because that's the only version of Windows I have a license for.[19:32:25] <ShadowHntr> and windows 7 works fine[19:32:39] <deet> oh right, that[19:33:22] <eviljames> deet: I don't pirate software, generally speaking FOSS is more useful anyway. But as long as I have that sticker on the bottom of the laptop, might as well make use of it.[19:35:46] <deet> nobody's suggesting piracy[19:36:04] <deet> i've been fortunate to find ways for other people to cover the costs of my tools, however[19:36:20] <eviljames> heh[19:36:26] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[19:38:00] *** swift has quit IRC[19:41:11] *** Calibellus_ has joined #opensolaris[19:42:49] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[19:43:54] *** jamiem has joined #opensolaris[19:44:07] <jamiem> hi[19:44:48] <jamiem> I have a ZFS RAID-1 from FreeBSD 8.0, i.e. version 13[19:45:29] <jamiem> when I boot FreeBSD up, I can import/export the pool perfectly. When I boot into osol on my other disk I get "insufficient replicas" and "raidz1 UNAVAIL corrupted data"[19:45:52] *** Andrew3 has quit IRC[19:45:57] <coolvibe> solaris and freebsd are mutually exclusive wrt ZFS[19:46:03] <jamiem> I would rather not try to upgrade the pool because I might want to take it back to FreeBSD[19:46:06] <coolvibe> different way of slicing[19:46:12] <jamiem> Oh.[19:46:16] <jamiem> :/[19:46:31] <turtle> whole disk setups would probably work but i doubt opensolaris understands freebsd's disk slice stuff[19:46:39] <coolvibe> exactly[19:46:57] <jamiem> afaik they are full-disk[19:47:03] *** Andrew3 has joined #opensolaris[19:47:07] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[19:47:09] <jamiem> 0. c7d0 <drive type unknown>[19:47:36] <jamiem> I think I manged to do this once before[19:47:53] <coolvibe> full disk as in slice #2, which differs in fbsd and sol[19:47:59] <turtle> you would need to see what it shows up as in freebsd not in opensolaris.[19:48:20] <jamiem> ad4, ad6 and ad8 iirc[19:48:24] <jamiem> or 6 8 10[19:48:30] <coolvibe> you can transfer with zfs send though afaik[19:48:50] <eklof> i have bad experience exporting from zfs ports and trying to import. Had to destoy my linux-fuse pool and recreate on osol.[19:49:12] <jamiem> coolvibe: yeah, I'd need alternative storage for that, right[19:49:20] <jamiem> this is my "file server"[19:49:20] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris[19:50:02] <coolvibe> you can ask on #freebsd[19:53:10] <jamiem> hmph[19:53:25] <jamiem> if I manage to find the media, wil osol read my UFS formatted back ups?[19:53:33] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[19:53:44] <forquare> Anyone know how to find out what files a package will install? Or more specifically how to find out what a package will be called once installed? For example: SUNWgnome-img-editor is used for installation, but you use "gimp" to actually run the app. Is there a way for me to find this info out before installation? Or even after installation? pkg info doesn't do much good...[19:54:30] *** calumb_ has joined #opensolaris[19:54:50] *** calumb_ has quit IRC[19:55:24] <seanmcg> forquare, pkg contents[19:55:33] <CIA-21> Srihari Venkatesan <srihari.venkatesan at oracle dot com>: 6943496 cmn_err debug notices in mc_read_smbios() should be set to ~(SL_USER|SL_NOTE))|SL_LOGONLY[19:55:37] <CIA-21> Ramaswamy Tummala <Ramaswamy.Tummala at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2010/085 IPoIB Administration Enhancement, 6837574 IPoIB Administration Enhancement - PSARC 2010/085, 6864899 IB datalink names need to be consistent between cluster controllers, 6855737 cfgadm status for ibd attachment points gets to inconsistent state, 6883212 ibd: add Brussels framework support, 6927048 IBD driver should be hardened to handle late HCA port initialization issue, 6827237 Fix warlock er[19:55:54] <forquare> seanmcg: Thanks :)[19:56:13] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:56:18] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:56:38] <coolvibe> jamiem: freebsd formatted ufs or sol formatted ufs? they differ too[19:56:45] * jamiem sobs[19:56:50] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[19:56:50] *** tg has quit IRC[19:57:04] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:57:19] *** n1c0b has left #opensolaris[19:57:35] <coolvibe> wrt zfs, you could ask on #freebsd[19:57:40] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[19:57:50] <CosmicDJ> mmhh #freebsd..[19:57:52] <jamiem> kthanks[19:58:35] <coolvibe> what's wrong with freebsd?[19:58:42] *** calum has quit IRC[19:58:58] <CosmicDJ> oh nothing, the OS is fine[19:59:14] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[20:02:03] <jamiem> there must be an file system the two can share[20:02:13] <CosmicDJ> msdos' fat ;)[20:02:33] <balrog> zfs[20:02:36] <balrog> :)[20:02:38] <coolvibe> jamiem: yes, FAT[20:02:44] <jamiem> 16 or 32?[20:02:49] <CosmicDJ> zfs v13 (IIRC that's the one freebsd is using...)[20:02:52] * jamiem worries about case sensitivity :/[20:03:03] <coolvibe> balrog: nope, FreeBSD gets confused by the VTOC, and solaris gets confused by freebsd slicing[20:03:24] <jamiem> CosmicDJ: that's where I came in. I have a v13 FreeBSD zfs pool which I was trying to import into osol[20:03:36] <balrog> :[[20:03:38] <coolvibe> they are compatible if you zfs send[20:04:04] <CosmicDJ> you can't just import an old pool?[20:04:07] <jamiem> raidz1 ONLINE 0 0 0[20:04:26] <jamiem> nothing broken, yet[20:04:34] <coolvibe> CosmicDJ: not from freebsd -> solaris an back (at least not yet)[20:04:52] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[20:05:02] *** alka has quit IRC[20:06:58] <madwizard> Coffee[20:07:41] <niq> madwizard gives his identity away[20:08:40] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[20:11:55] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[20:15:17] *** djl1 has joined #opensolaris[20:15:28] *** randw has quit IRC[20:16:45] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[20:17:01] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[20:19:08] <madwizard> :)[20:19:15] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[20:19:16] <madwizard> niq Watcha mean? :)[20:19:54] <niq> who on #opensolaris is the coffee addict?[20:20:27] <CosmicDJ> sssh, don't say the c-word so loud, otherwise that t-guy might emerge from his deeps ;)[20:21:15] <asyd> niq: everyone but trochej ! :)[20:21:21] <madwizard> :)[20:21:23] <madwizard> heee[20:21:35] <madwizard> trochej! you dicksucker![20:21:40] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[20:22:00] *** winstonw0 has joined #opensolaris[20:22:09] <trochej> Whatever you say, sir MadWizard![20:23:04] * niq sentences trochej and madwizard to a diet of decaffienated[20:23:14] <trochej> I'm never alone with voices in my head. :)[20:23:39] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[20:24:00] * alanc would kick anyone else who said things like that about trochej, but I guess madwizard is allowed...[20:24:09] *** niq has quit IRC[20:24:14] <trochej> You want to take it from us![20:24:19] <trochej> Our precioussss...[20:24:33] <alanc> your precious free cd?[20:24:40] <alanc> so shiny and round...[20:24:47] <trochej> Coffee[20:24:52] <alanc> oh, of course[20:24:55] <trochej> I could't care less for a cd[20:24:58] <trochej> :)[20:25:50] <trochej> alanc It was nice, while it lasted[20:26:01] *** randw has quit IRC[20:26:16] <trochej> But I expected it some day[20:27:22] <trochej> win 4[20:27:25] <trochej> drat[20:27:31] <trochej> Stupid phone[20:27:48] <pogs> The Opensolaris cd is awesome because after 2010.03 comes out it turns into a useful coaster for your coffee.[20:27:59] *** jamiem has quit IRC[20:28:04] <trochej> pogs a have few, want some? :)[20:28:06] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[20:28:11] <forquare> pogs: 8)[20:28:11] *** tg has quit IRC[20:28:36] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[20:28:54] <effnorwood> wha - i have my 2010.03 cd right here. it says snv_134 on it written in crayon - "larry red" i believe[20:29:04] <pogs> trochej: coffee or cds? The former would be great, but I'm not sure the box will really stay upright during transit...[20:29:40] <trochej> I can dcc some :)[20:30:05] <pogs> mmm illicit coffee...[20:30:15] <trochej> CosmicDJ I guess it's obvious, but I'm madwizard[20:30:19] <trochej> :)[20:30:59] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[20:32:40] <madwizard> Pizza![20:32:49] <madwizard> homemade[20:32:59] <madwizard> By me Wide[20:33:08] <madwizard> I must have done something right[20:33:14] <madwizard> [d][20:33:19] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[20:34:01] *** ozux has quit IRC[20:34:30] <CosmicDJ> trochej: I know, lew (whereever he is...) said that a few days ago[20:34:49] <CosmicDJ> where is smarty btw?[20:35:06] *** yippi has quit IRC[20:35:06] *** Dagobert_ has quit IRC[20:36:05] <effnorwood> smrt: explain coffee[20:36:28] * effnorwood shakes fist at lewellyn[20:36:54] <effnorwood> that bot is up and down almost as much as a linux server[20:37:12] <trygvis> <o>[20:38:06] <madwizard> It's that time, again.[20:38:07] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[20:38:10] * madwizard nods[20:38:20] <madwizard> bubbva Yo![20:38:29] <bubbva> hi madwizard![20:38:59] <madwizard> bubbva You'll be delighted to know, that kid got allright without antibiotics :)[20:39:18] <bubbva> YAY!!!!![20:39:34] <bubbva> last thing you want is to start having problems with antibiotics at such a young age![20:39:44] * madwizard pictures bubbva frantically trying to remember *whatU kid :)[20:40:03] <madwizard> bubbva Ya, I hear you[20:40:25] <madwizard> Kawa![20:41:17] <madwizard> Where's asyd when I need him? :)[20:43:35] <jamesd2> effnorwood, perhaps you should chip into the "let's get smrt viagara fund" so he can always be up...[20:43:53] <madwizard> rotfl[20:45:15] <Gugge> anyone seen something like this before, its an intel x25-e used as a slog - http://paste2.org/p/773762[20:47:54] <effnorwood> jamesd2: heh[20:49:47] <jamesd2> Gugge, here is what google finds http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5405594[20:51:26] <Gugge> what did you search for, the "loginfo" value doesnt seem to be the same[20:51:47] <jamesd2> mpt_handle_event_sync: IOCStatus=0x8000,[20:51:55] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[20:52:07] <jamesd2> seems to e bunch of interestig hits.[20:52:20] <jamesd2> er s/ e /be/[20:52:23] <Gugge> yeah, i tried with the loginfo bit, and didnt find much :)[20:52:25] <Gugge> ill check that[20:55:42] <|woody|> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/storage-discuss/2009-December/007672.html <-- that one works too :)[20:56:03] *** p3rror has quit IRC[20:56:54] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[21:01:19] *** plavcik has quit IRC[21:01:21] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[21:05:48] *** gjl has quit IRC[21:06:15] *** twilling has quit IRC[21:06:29] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[21:07:05] *** gjl has joined #opensolaris[21:10:11] *** winstonw0 has quit IRC[21:10:28] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[21:12:51] *** Andrew3 has quit IRC[21:13:31] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:14:02] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[21:15:11] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[21:15:36] *** nitrile has quit IRC[21:16:44] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[21:19:00] *** alka_ has joined #opensolaris[21:19:24] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[21:19:50] *** alka_ has quit IRC[21:19:58] *** alka_ has joined #opensolaris[21:20:10] *** alka_ has quit IRC[21:20:28] *** alka_ has joined #opensolaris[21:21:01] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[21:21:38] *** alka_ has quit IRC[21:36:51] *** datadigger has quit IRC[21:39:33] *** mavhk has quit IRC[21:39:35] *** GdeLeo has joined #opensolaris[21:39:44] *** nitrile has quit IRC[21:41:29] *** alanst has joined #opensolaris[21:43:30] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[21:43:52] *** timsf has quit IRC[21:43:52] *** terrygardner has quit IRC[21:43:54] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[21:43:57] *** datadigger has joined #opensolaris[21:44:18] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:44:31] *** jacotton_ has joined #opensolaris[21:55:00] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[21:55:26] <CIA-21> Mark Shellenbaum <Mark.Shellenbaum at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2010/029 Improved ACL interoperability, 6923083 ZFS/NFS/SMB ACL interoperability changes[21:55:48] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[21:56:23] *** jacotton_ has quit IRC[21:58:26] <CosmicDJ> sounds good[21:59:38] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[21:59:40] *** jMCg has quit IRC[22:00:40] <CosmicDJ> sounds really good http://bit.ly/afNfz6 (from http://twitter.com/codenews) "1. SMB created files *may* have a mode of 000"[22:01:23] <CosmicDJ> I think I had that problem, too[22:03:23] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:03:31] *** PrestonConnors has quit IRC[22:09:01] *** deet has quit IRC[22:13:25] *** mmealling1 has joined #opensolaris[22:13:27] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[22:13:34] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[22:14:19] *** jMCg has joined #opensolaris[22:16:08] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[22:17:32] <Beket> "I must say though, hearing that the dev builds have stopped being made public sounds encouraging, it could be that 2010.04 is on it's way!" <-- what does it mean that dev builds are no longer public ?[22:17:35] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[22:17:59] <Beket> I'm currently following /dev, should I switch to sth else ?[22:18:40] *** jMCg has quit IRC[22:19:19] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[22:19:22] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[22:20:07] <jbit> Beket: it doesn't mean permantly, just for now[22:20:24] <jbit> it probably means they're iterating like crazy internally to get stuff fixed[22:20:53] <Beket> Thanks jbit; so If I stay with /dev, at some point I will be able to update -say- to 135, 136, and so on ?[22:21:08] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[22:22:21] <jbit> i'm not sure on that one :)[22:22:44] *** wrapster has joined #opensolaris[22:22:56] <jbit> but i ahven'T seen anything at all to indicate that /dev will stop, so i think when 2010.04 goes gold it'll hit dev, and then the normal /dev cycle will begin again[22:23:05] <wrapster> which pkg provides api.h ?[22:23:11] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[22:23:13] <wrapster> idn/api.h[22:23:34] <wrapster> i tried p.o.o and saw sunwhea as the likely source but that was not the pkg[22:24:22] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:24:24] <jbit> wrapster: pkg search api.h | grep idn[22:26:28] *** astra-x has quit IRC[22:27:19] <wrapster> jbit: yes thanks.. this is coming from SUNWidnd but its not a part of onnv-gate?[22:31:08] *** jMCg has joined #opensolaris[22:32:06] <alanc> nope - pkg info says it's consolidation/l10n/l10n-incorporation[22:32:19] <alanc> which makes sense for a package for Internationalized Domain Names[22:33:35] <alanc> Beket: I think that should be parsed as "it being made public that /dev builds have stopped while we finish the release"[22:33:39] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[22:34:00] <alanc> since it was in response to me pointing out that we've always stopped updating /dev with new builds while the release is being finished[22:34:16] <Beket> ohh, thanks alanc -- that actually makes some sense[22:34:22] <tsoome> sounds reasonable:)[22:34:30] <jbit> it makes sense, i'd imagien you can iterate on builds much faster if you don't have to worry about pushing it out too[22:35:08] <jbit> i guess you could always build your own ON 137 from the hg tree if you really wanted? :)[22:35:20] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[22:35:28] <alanc> and if you don't have to spin up a new repo or have to figure out how to explain to people how to control which branch you want from /dev - 134{a,b,...} or 135,6,7...[22:36:01] <alanc> ideally we'd have /rc and /dev, but that's not set up[22:36:43] <madwizard> Coffee[22:37:29] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[22:37:35] <alanc> jbit: yep, can build from sources for ON, X, JDS, etc. or even download the prebuilt binaries for ON in the bfu archives[22:37:56] *** nikolam has quit IRC[22:38:02] *** nikolam_ is now known as ninkolam[22:38:09] <alanc> (not sure if they've started or will switch to publishing the onu/IPS equivalents as downloadable tarballs or will just rely on /dev repo updates for those)[22:42:27] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[22:43:30] <wrapster> alanc: so how do i get it then?[22:44:11] *** NorrinRa1d has joined #opensolaris[22:45:53] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[22:46:59] *** NorrinRadd has quit IRC[22:47:24] *** e1kg has quit IRC[22:47:28] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[22:48:00] *** dduvall has quit IRC[22:48:31] <alanc> wrapster: presumably from the i18n-l10n gate[22:48:46] <longcat> so, any spreadsheet experts here? I have one list of pretty names for time zones, and I want to associate them with their associated olson database names. Now I have a list of the pretty names in column a, and a list of the olson names in column b. so im looking for a dropdown that shows the pretty names, but to the right of it, writes an immutable cell with the mapped name[22:48:51] * sstallion grumbles[22:49:19] *** jfisc has quit IRC[22:49:46] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[22:50:01] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:50:49] <alanc> wrapster: yeah, looks like it's in the browser at http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/nv-g11n/g11n-spec/idn/[22:51:27] <alanc> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+nv-g11n/ should have more info[22:51:46] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[22:56:22] *** GdeLeo has left #opensolaris[22:57:09] *** LaCap has joined #opensolaris[22:57:59] *** LaCap has quit IRC[22:59:26] *** fOB has quit IRC[23:01:09] <sstallion> gdamore: ping[23:03:05] *** alanst has quit IRC[23:07:18] *** NorrinRa1d has quit IRC[23:09:23] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:10:07] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[23:10:12] *** fleyta has joined #opensolaris[23:10:26] <fleyta> *yawn*[23:10:31] *** tg has quit IRC[23:11:46] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[23:13:11] <fleyta> Who's injecting opensolaris-discuss with all this FUD recently?[23:13:30] <fleyta> No free CD ---> Oracle is evil.[23:13:54] <balrog> fleyta: free Solaris 10 CD?[23:14:02] <balrog> wait two months and see what happens[23:14:03] <fleyta> Oracle not respond to questions about Opensolaris Next ---> Oracle is evil.[23:14:08] <balrog> but free CD sucks for me[23:14:20] <fleyta> Oracle exists ---> Oracle is evil.[23:14:21] <balrog> fleyta: I think Oracle doesn't know what they want to do with Solaris yet[23:14:21] <balrog> :\[23:15:36] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[23:16:08] <fleyta> Now the Halt And Catch Fire statement: Oracle is evil ---> Oracle is evil.[23:16:17] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[23:16:23] <CosmicDJ> yeah it's not like they had enough time to make their minds ;)[23:17:04] <fleyta> CosmicDJ: The responsible managers are lucky that their mail addr are not public. They'd drown.[23:17:32] <Spencer_tt> free cd rocks for me as long as it gets in on IBM and MS' act[23:17:34] <gdamore> sstallion: ack[23:17:43] <sstallion> gdamore: back on efe again (finally)[23:17:58] <fleyta> efe network driver?[23:17:59] <gdamore> (I was goofing around with the "vapor" that just arrived -- really slow indoor rc plane)[23:18:24] <sstallion> unfortunately the spec doesn't cover much w.r.t. behavior for setting unicast and multicast addresses - I think I'm going to take the conservative approach and shut off rx/tx during the set[23:18:33] *** RoyK has quit IRC[23:18:54] <sstallion> (FWIW, a couple of BSD drivers do the same)[23:19:04] <sstallion> ahh very cool![23:19:06] <gdamore> then that might not be a bad approach[23:19:29] <sstallion> meh, I hate kicking the xcvr if I don't have to, but its not like this is a high perf device[23:19:44] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[23:20:03] <gdamore> yeah. If it weren't for the virtual environment that needs this, I'd ask why we are bothering with this.[23:20:15] *** robo has quit IRC[23:20:24] <sstallion> spwr ?[23:20:46] <sstallion> I think I've given up hope on re - I'll get back to it eventually, but I'd rather do something more productive first.[23:20:55] *** NorrinRadd has joined #opensolaris[23:22:29] <gdamore> oh, i was confusing efe and re.[23:22:42] <sstallion> no worries ;)[23:23:16] <sstallion> I might take a whack at some of the extra storage drivers that need to be opened up. would be good to get a little block experience[23:23:55] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[23:27:35] *** steleman has joined #opensolaris[23:28:09] *** zynox_ has quit IRC[23:28:19] <gdamore> trying to open existing drivers is probably going to be about as fruitful as replacing cassini.[23:28:29] <sstallion> hrmm[23:28:31] <gdamore> maybe even harder. (OEM agreements and such)[23:28:40] <sstallion> didn't you have a blog entry on 3-4 of them that need to be rewritten?[23:28:43] <gdamore> plus, no doco for many of those drivers.[23:29:00] <gdamore> ncrs and glm.[23:29:36] <sstallion> Hrmm I have a glm sitting around[23:29:55] *** steleman has left #opensolaris[23:31:56] *** falconn19 has joined #opensolaris[23:33:11] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[23:33:23] *** logic is now known as logic855[23:34:27] *** piwi has quit IRC[23:36:15] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:36:53] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[23:38:45] <jbk> gdamore: we're expert windmill tilters by now =][23:38:51] <gdamore> heh.[23:38:59] <gdamore> I've *never* been called that....[23:39:04] <gdamore> oh wait, yeah, I have.[23:39:17] <jbk> maybe that can be a new community group...[23:40:25] <sstallion> haha[23:40:36] * sstallion grabs a lance.[23:41:19] *** Wilhelm_Scream has joined #opensolaris[23:41:42] <Wilhelm_Scream> OK, it's advice time. Anyone here use OpenSolaris as their primary desktop os?[23:41:52] * projectmoon is an indestructible windmill.[23:42:11] <trygvis> Wilhelm_Scream: o/[23:42:36] <Wilhelm_Scream> How stable is it compared to a GNU/Linux distro like Debian?[23:43:11] <trygvis> to me it feels much more stable when it work. there have been a few bad builds, but given hos easy it is to boot an old environment that haven't been an issue. ever[23:43:57] <Wilhelm_Scream> Their enough packages in the repos?[23:43:59] <sstallion> Wilhelm_Scream: I've used Solaris as my primary OS for years with nary a problem.[23:44:20] <trygvis> I use the packages from the repository and opencsw for extra stuff[23:44:21] <sstallion> I haven't touched a Windows or Linux desktop in years[23:44:24] <tomww> Wilhelm_Scream: depends on what you want[23:44:43] <Wilhelm_Scream> I dunno stuff like mplayer, rtorrent various multimedia things[23:44:55] <tomww> there are other repos where you can get additional software[23:44:58] <Wilhelm_Scream> I'm looking for a really stable OS[23:45:14] <tomww> many here use a really stable OS as theyr desktop OS[23:45:26] <sstallion> gdamore: any chance of getting some changes to nemo to support imperfect filters?[23:45:39] * sstallion hates cutting and pasting code.[23:45:50] <Wilhelm_Scream> K, how are the nvidia graphics drivers[23:45:57] <gdamore> what for? the only thing that is significant in this logic would be the CRC bits.[23:46:03] <CosmicDJ> .. binary? ;)[23:46:04] <gdamore> we *should* get the big endian CRC32 integrated.[23:46:12] *** ozux has quit IRC[23:46:17] <sstallion> gdamore: interesting. I figured that was a given already.[23:46:19] <gdamore> little endian CRC32 support is already inthe common code[23:46:23] <sstallion> *nod*[23:46:30] <tomww> Wilhelm_Scream: with nvidia you should get good support for regular cards[23:46:34] <gdamore> (or maybe I have the endianness swapped... I can never remember.)[23:46:46] <sstallion> I suppose its not that onerous, but I haven't touched a device yet that didn't have a 26 bit latch[23:46:55] <Wilhelm_Scream> Hmm OK[23:47:09] <tomww> some multimedia software is not on the official repositories, you would have to compile on your own of take it from external repositories[23:47:15] *** _madmax__ has joined #opensolaris[23:47:45] <sstallion> Codenia actually works pretty well. Tried that for the first time a couple of weeks ago.[23:47:53] <lattera> Wilhelm_Scream, http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6405-3720-days.html[23:47:59] <lattera> I'd say solaris is pretty stable ;)[23:48:17] <Wilhelm_Scream> K, well thanks for the info[23:48:24] <Wilhelm_Scream> I'll definitly check it out then[23:48:33] <CosmicDJ> btw what's unstable with debian?[23:48:42] <Wilhelm_Scream> Nothing, I'm just bored[23:48:56] <Wilhelm_Scream> Looking for an alternative that's just as stable[23:49:22] <CosmicDJ> I like the *bsds as well...[23:49:49] <Wilhelm_Scream> I'll probably check them out too eventually[23:49:57] <Wilhelm_Scream> Anyways, thanks for the info[23:49:59] <CosmicDJ> BeOS aka Haiku[23:50:10] <Wilhelm_Scream> Haiku is still alpha I think[23:50:16] <Wilhelm_Scream> Or at least Beta[23:50:24] <Wilhelm_Scream> It's definitley interesting though[23:50:36] <projectmoon> me is still waiting on jnode[23:50:41] <projectmoon> /me even[23:50:44] <CosmicDJ> hm...and? wine and openssl were beta for ages ;)[23:50:57] <seanmcg> Wilhelm_Scream, zfs, dtrace may make your day(s)[23:51:10] <CosmicDJ> seanmcg: .. on the desktop? ;)[23:51:21] <seanmcg> yup[23:51:22] <Wilhelm_Scream> Didn't OS X and FreeBSD adopt zfs too?[23:51:27] <CosmicDJ> so there's a fancy GUI like apple's instruments?[23:51:34] <jbit> osx did, but it dropped it[23:51:35] <projectmoon> mac os x has read only support for ZFS[23:51:39] <projectmoon> or did at one point[23:51:40] <projectmoon> or something[23:53:54] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:54:01] <Wilhelm_Scream> Wow 3720 days of uptime[23:54:17] <Wilhelm_Scream> That's amazing[23:54:31] <tomww> one of the old enterprise Solaris releases[23:54:44] <gdamore> Solaris 8 was pretty darn stable back in the day.[23:55:06] <CosmicDJ> no it's not, set your bios to 1/1/2000, boot solaris, reset date to current and viola 3000+ days uptime[23:55:11] *** stevel is now known as stevel_churro[23:55:15] <gdamore> 10 years is not unheard of. I've run into systems with 5 years plus[23:55:24] <tomww> the small servers we use here are sometimes in the 100 days uptime, once in a while we love new features and this kills the uptime easily[23:56:29] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[23:56:50] <Wilhelm_Scream> btw does MPD work on OpenSolaris?[23:57:39] <trygvis> yep[23:57:40] <tomww> SFEmpd.spec written especially for you by tomww.[23:57:44] <jamesd2> Wilhelm_Scream, the better question what has the loadavg been over those 3200 days... was it 0.00, 0.00, 0.01 or 30.14, 30.68, 45.00[23:58:07] <CosmicDJ> jamesd2: depends how many script kiddies were logged in ;)[23:58:35] <sstallion> gdamore: question on multicast hashing[23:59:06] <sstallion> the hash supports 64 addresses - I'm trying to figure out whether the first 6 bits are used or the last[23:59:18] <sstallion> (difference between >>= and %=)[23:59:32] <jamesd2> the sun server that originally hosted LKML had a constant loadavg of over 16, 24/7 and yet did the job for years... without an issue, and yes it was a Solaris box.[23:59:50] <sstallion> I'm leaning toward doing the shift at the moment... the description isn't very good