April 13, 2010 
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April 13, 2010 [00:01:12] *** corretico has quit IRC[00:05:02] *** vivid has quit IRC[00:08:18] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris[00:10:51] *** Jenkens has quit IRC[00:11:15] <TommyTheKid> so, I have a system that was upgraded since like 130-ish that is fine on 134 with a serial console, but a new system (same kind of hardware) fresh installed with 134 has no serial console output... eeprom output is the same, -B console=ttya (same) ... anything else I need to be checking?[00:13:07] *** Section9 has joined #opensolaris[00:13:15] *** Bateau has quit IRC[00:15:28] <whiteyOS> TommyTheKid: I think other relevant stuff is setting the tty mode in grub, and /etc/ttydefs, and /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc[00:16:05] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[00:16:19] <TommyTheKid> ttydefs is the same[00:16:38] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[00:17:07] <whiteyOS> TommyTheKid: do you have both the bios redirection and the grub redirections set?[00:17:14] <TommyTheKid> no[00:17:24] <whiteyOS> sometimes they conflict if you do[00:17:25] <TommyTheKid> grub redirection is not set. BIOS only[00:17:59] <TommyTheKid> This is a Sun x4450 for what its worth, latest ILOM[00:18:08] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[00:18:11] <TommyTheKid> we have about 10 of these, so I am pretty used to them[00:18:30] <TommyTheKid> this is the first time changing "graphics" to "ttya" has not worked[00:18:55] <TommyTheKid> every other indication inside the system shows that it worked, but I am not seeing spew on the console (after grub)[00:19:49] <TommyTheKid> the only difference between the bootenv.rc files is a massive CDDL header :)[00:19:49] <whiteyOS> TommyTheKid: sorry, last time I did console redirect was with Solaris 10 but not on Sun sys. You might want to check if Solaris has the devices mapped differently than you think. I've had systems where ttya inside the system was different than the bios/grub said[00:19:56] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[00:20:25] <TommyTheKid> hrmmm[00:23:43] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[00:25:53] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[00:26:29] <whiteyOS> TommyTheKid: /var/svc/manifest/system/console-login.xml is also a relevant file[00:27:47] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:29:34] *** vivid has quit IRC[00:29:57] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[00:33:09] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:44] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[00:35:47] *** piwi has quit IRC[00:40:11] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[00:44:24] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[00:44:56] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[00:45:10] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[00:50:57] <Spencer_tt> TommyTheKid: service packs(sp) are blasphemy[00:51:19] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[00:51:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[00:52:33] <TommyTheKid> agreed[00:55:28] <CIA-21> Reed <Reed.Liu at Sun dot COM>: 6898776 assertion failed: DEVI(self)->devi_ref, file: ../../common/io/scsi/impl/scsi_hba.c, line: 7710[00:55:29] <CIA-21> Sriharsha Basavapatna <Sriharsha.Basavapatna at Sun dot COM>: 6941249 assertion failure in vio_allocb()[00:55:33] <CIA-21> Gordon Ross <Gordon.Ross at Sun dot COM>: 6935517 NTLMSSP Type 3 message header is missing two fields, 6936620 should preserve the username case in session setup, 6939738 Need a way to specify authentication types for testing, 6939914 avoid fragmenting session setup, 6939297 krb5 AP_REQ checksum is incorrect, 6939356 system/filesystem-smb lacks dependency on system/library/iconv/utf-8[00:55:33] <CIA-21> John Harres <John.Harres at Sun dot COM>: 6916981 zfs recv needs better messaging when quota exceeded[00:55:51] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[00:57:18] <sstallion_work> jmcp: ping[00:57:24] <jmcp> pong[00:57:56] <sstallion_work> jmcp: know offhand where the SCSA bits are in uts?[00:58:00] <sstallion_work> common/io/?[00:58:07] <jmcp> pretty much[00:58:22] <sstallion_work> is there a subdir it hangs on in?[00:58:29] <sstallion_work> s/on/out/[00:58:35] <jmcp> it's spread out - $SRC/uts/common/io/scsi/{conf|impl}[00:58:47] <sstallion_work> ahh okay[00:59:06] <sstallion_work> I figured scsi was sd[00:59:36] <jmcp> nah, that's the scsi disk target driver[00:59:41] <jmcp> st is scsi tape target driver[00:59:41] *** zazenrasta has joined #opensolaris[00:59:45] *** deet has quit IRC[01:00:10] <sstallion_work> right[01:00:18] *** hnhn has quit IRC[01:00:26] <sstallion_work> wow[01:00:29] <sstallion_work> sd is surprisingly small[01:00:33] * jmcp snorts[01:00:35] <jmcp> no it ain't[01:00:47] <jmcp> 31609 LoC[01:00:51] <sstallion_work> I guess my sarcasm didn't quite translate :D[01:00:53] <jmcp> oh[01:00:55] <jmcp> no[01:01:13] <sstallion_work> yeesh thats a monster[01:02:06] <sstallion_work> 2.3KLOC just to get past the declarations.... wow.[01:02:23] <gdamore> hence the creation of "blkdev"... which I still need to integrate at some point.[01:02:37] <gdamore> "sd" is used for too many differing purposes.[01:03:01] <sstallion_work> the fma bits seem to be fairly well separated[01:03:04] *** falconn19 has joined #opensolaris[01:04:28] <sstallion_work> jmcp: any idea how out-of-date the Solaris Internals section on SCSA and friends are?[01:06:12] <Jondice> fun image on the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Leventhal_%28programmer%29[01:06:15] <jmcp> they only cover scsav2, haven't been updated for scsav3[01:06:26] <jmcp> you'd want to read the ARC case for scsav3[01:06:36] <sstallion_work> have the PSARC number handy?[01:06:46] *** edude03 has quit IRC[01:07:06] <jmcp> onesec....[01:10:53] *** whiteyOS has quit IRC[01:10:56] <jmcp> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6726867[01:11:42] <jmcp> PSARC 2009/125/[01:11:50] *** zynox has quit IRC[01:12:06] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[01:12:46] <sstallion_work> excellent[01:12:49] <sstallion_work> thanks[01:13:26] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[01:13:28] *** vivid has quit IRC[01:13:39] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[01:13:44] *** cypromis has quit IRC[01:13:53] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[01:13:55] <sstallion_work> ahh wow[01:13:59] <sstallion_work> I didn't realize that was so recent[01:14:20] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[01:15:43] <jmcp> chief drivers for it were mpt_sas(7d) and pmcs(7d)[01:16:55] <sstallion_work> I'm assuming there are no plans to backport?[01:17:21] <jmcp> well, in general, no[01:17:44] <jmcp> but some parts might get done as required if certain drivers need backporting[01:17:50] <sstallion_work> gotcha[01:17:51] <Spencer_tt> is it safe to assume that a hot machine should be turned of just because it's so hot.[01:18:02] <jmcp> Spencer_tt: poweroff[01:18:10] <jmcp> how hot are you talking?[01:18:32] <Spencer_tt> >65 Deg Celsius[01:18:43] <jmcp> that's probably too hot[01:19:15] <jmcp> I had a service call once where the cust complained that his e450 shutdown when the cpu got to 75C[01:19:26] <sstallion_work> I've had some machines go as high as 175o F[01:19:38] <jmcp> wanted to know why we thought he should get his DC checked out[01:19:53] <Spencer_tt> what'x that on the centigrade scale sstallion_work[01:20:02] <sstallion_work> Spencer_tt: > 75[01:20:13] <Spencer_tt> ah well I'll have to say adios[01:20:19] <Spencer_tt> thanks for the advice[01:20:46] <sstallion_work> I have to say, newer chips should never run that hot[01:21:10] <sstallion_work> I think the core 2 in this Ultra 24 doesn't go more than 103o F under heavy load[01:21:23] <sstallion_work> err 130[01:21:29] <Spencer_tt> the temp is also a function of how long the machine is and how many programs one is running right[01:21:44] <sstallion_work> not really[01:22:02] <sstallion_work> length of time doesn't really have an effect when you have adequate cooling[01:22:13] <duckinator> yea...[01:22:16] <sstallion_work> load can be an indicator, but so can a failing fan :P[01:22:23] <sstallion_work> (or a failing PSU, or a...)[01:22:51] <Spencer_tt> CPU?[01:22:52] <duckinator> even with this piece of crap - 1 case fan, in a case about as well ventilated as a brick wall - the temperature stays consistent after about the first 5 mins[01:23:20] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[01:23:21] <duckinator> Spencer_tt: generally, in my experience at least, CPU's dont get warmer when they fail...however they do if the heatsink and/or fan falls off or the fan stalls/fails :P[01:23:42] <duckinator> of course i've never had a CPU fail aside from just going from working -> dead[01:23:48] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[01:23:56] *** |Inthewings| has quit IRC[01:24:03] <jmcp> duckinator: never owned a box with US-II then?[01:24:18] <duckinator> i dont know what that is, so i'm assuming not :D[01:24:24] <jmcp> UltraSPARC-II[01:24:30] <jmcp> google that and ecache[01:24:38] *** m4rku5 has joined #opensolaris[01:24:44] <sstallion_work> heh[01:24:44] <duckinator> oh, nope. only owned x86, sadly :([01:24:53] <sstallion_work> my usII+ is almost completely passive[01:24:54] <duckinator> which limits my os-dev work to x86, even more sadly :([01:24:57] <sstallion_work> its slow as hell, but stays cool[01:24:59] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[01:25:27] <sstallion_work> a usIIIcu thought - now *that* is a heat generator[01:25:36] <sstallion_work> s/(though)t/\1/[01:25:43] <Spencer_tt> managed to get it down to 55 deg Celsius, blocking the air vents doesn't help[01:25:56] <sstallion_work> Spencer_tt: ... don't do that.[01:25:59] <duckinator> sstallion_work: worse than a 3.06GHz Pentium 4 w/ hyperthreading shoved in a case with one case fan? :)[01:26:20] <sstallion_work> duckinator: I doubt your P4 sucks up 4A at idle...[01:26:33] <duckinator> sstallion_work: O.o yikes..haha[01:26:40] <Triskelios> duckinator: the test farm is available if you want to do SPARC builds[01:26:46] * duckinator might disappear soon...apparently his ZNC server's being upgraded[01:26:54] <duckinator> Triskelios: ooh? :o where would this be at?[01:27:06] *** duckinator has quit IRC[01:27:22] <jmcp> test.opensolaris.org, last I checked[01:27:24] <jmcp> ugh[01:27:32] *** duckinator has joined #opensolaris[01:27:36] <jmcp> duckinator: test.opensolaris.org, last I checked[01:27:36] *** duckinator is now known as duckinatorr[01:27:39] *** duckinatorr has joined #opensolaris[01:30:03] <duckinatorr> and btw, my issue isn't so much that i can't get it compiled/tested somewhere, it's that i want to have a physical PC to try it on myself every once in a while[01:30:04] *** p3rror has quit IRC[01:31:09] <sstallion_work> duckinatorr: eBay tends to carry older SPARC gear on the cheap.[01:32:47] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[01:34:06] *** lattera has quit IRC[01:35:36] *** cypromis has quit IRC[01:35:47] <Triskelios> ridiculously cheap if you don't need it shipped, even[01:35:51] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[01:37:46] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[01:38:16] <Spencer_tt> ok so you buy stuff you don't need to ship sounds like sci-fi[01:38:27] *** duckinator has joined #opensolaris[01:39:54] <Triskelios> Spencer_tt: if you happen to live within driving distance[01:40:27] <Spencer_tt> now that's down to earth.[01:40:42] *** FattyAcid has joined #opensolaris[01:41:39] <FattyAcid> are there any opensolaris VPS other than entic.net?[01:42:47] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[01:44:14] <Triskelios> FattyAcid: Joyent, Amazon EC2?[01:44:22] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[01:45:04] *** m4rku5 has joined #opensolaris[01:46:28] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[01:47:21] *** samc has quit IRC[01:47:52] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[01:48:59] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain zones[01:49:00] <smrt> Zones are the Solaris software-level system isolation tool. On Linux, the closest thing would be OpenVZ. On FreeBSD, the closest would be jail(8). Neither has quite the scope of zones. See also: brandz, sparse zones, http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Zones[01:54:25] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:55:50] <CIA-21> James Kremer <James.Kremer at Sun dot COM>: 6901394 ip-transport module needs to get ready for the big time[01:55:50] <CIA-21> gww <gww at eng dot sun.com>: 6935410 setting audit context when audit is not enabled should be more tolerant of getaddrinfo failure[01:56:04] *** duckinatorr has quit IRC[01:56:57] <dizko> has anyone else heard of any bizzare issues with usb keyboards suddenly stopping working? snv134[01:57:57] *** dalibor has quit IRC[02:00:09] *** dacek has joined #opensolaris[02:00:32] *** loke has quit IRC[02:04:13] *** darkhmet has joined #opensolaris[02:06:13] *** darkhmet has left #opensolaris[02:07:12] *** jparker has quit IRC[02:08:37] *** stewart has quit IRC[02:09:08] <Triskelios> dizko: nothing in dmesg or echo '::usba_debug_bug' | pfexec mdb -k?[02:09:11] <Triskelios> er[02:09:19] <Triskelios> *usba_debug_buf[02:10:35] *** aambro has joined #opensolaris[02:11:05] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[02:12:32] *** aambro has quit IRC[02:14:41] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:15:01] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[02:20:57] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[02:21:04] *** zzpat has quit IRC[02:21:56] *** ozux has quit IRC[02:23:48] <dizko> Triskelios: thanks ill see if i can get something from that, i just finally had enough and located a usb->ps2 adapter though[02:25:37] *** e1kg has quit IRC[02:28:03] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[02:32:30] *** falconn19 has quit IRC[02:36:15] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[02:43:31] *** cybernd has quit IRC[02:52:24] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:55:52] <CIA-21> Louis Tsien <Louis.Tsien at Sun dot COM>: 6916726 FMA: Certain DIMMs can give a false fault.memory.dram-ue-imminent[02:55:52] <CIA-21> Anurag S. Maskey <Anurag.Maskey at Sun dot COM>: 6942173 nwam does not connect to hidden wifi with security key[02:56:02] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[03:05:24] <odyi> Anyone notice that /usr/bin/co is a 80386 file even on sparc?[03:06:43] <alanc> odyi: sounds like you installed the wrong RCS package from somewhere, since /usr/bin/co doesn't come with the OS[03:07:03] <odyi> sigh...it came from jucr. I understand now.[03:07:15] * odyi wonders if we will ever have a sparc community repo[03:07:51] <wereHamster> how do I tell CC to use c99 mode?[03:08:27] <wereHamster> I can't use _POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L when compiling C++ files because it fails with Error: #error "Compiler or options invalid; UNIX 03 and POSIX.1-2001 applications require the use of c99"[03:11:02] * odyi adds another package to list of OpenCSW packages he still has to install in OpenSolaris.[03:13:02] <alanc> for cc it's -xc99 - for CC, dunno - check -flags or man CC[03:18:09] <lewellyn> odyi: there's no jucr builds for sparc yet. i keep bugging them :)[03:18:29] <lewellyn> sfe should be sparc-friendly, however[03:18:40] <lewellyn> or build from the jucr specs yourself[03:22:24] *** dacek has quit IRC[03:27:06] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[03:32:54] *** heldchen has joined #opensolaris[03:35:01] *** held has quit IRC[03:35:02] *** FattyAcid has quit IRC[03:36:12] *** relling has quit IRC[03:40:38] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[03:42:52] * oninoshiko rises from the dead[03:45:17] *** vivid has quit IRC[03:46:02] <victori> is metadata really supposed to take that much space? http://pastie.org/916819.txt[03:46:07] <victori> zfs metadata**[03:46:29] <Andys^> doesn't look too bad[03:46:46] <victori> more metadata than data cached?[03:46:50] <victori> just looks odd to me[03:47:17] <Andys^> it includes cache and metadata all in one?[03:47:50] <victori> kernel is kernel buffers + zfs meta data[03:48:18] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[03:49:21] <Andys^> ah[03:49:22] <Andys^> yeah[03:49:26] <Andys^> well, the metadata is pretty big..[03:49:35] <Andys^> for a copy-on-write filesystem[03:49:40] <Andys^> its compressed on disk, but not in RAM[03:50:45] *** ganbold has quit IRC[03:52:38] *** yippi_ has joined #opensolaris[03:52:48] *** yippi has quit IRC[03:53:26] *** dover has joined #opensolaris[03:53:30] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[03:55:23] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[03:55:29] <CIA-21> meem <Peter.Memishian at Sun dot COM>: 6941617 ip_quiesce_conn() of a flow-controlled conn induces panic[03:55:30] <CIA-21> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Oracle dot COM>: 6940808 fstest rename/17.t leaves the filesystem non unmountable[03:55:34] <CIA-21> yi zhang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Zhang.Yi at Sun dot COM>: 6918170 iscsi based target devices cannot be mounted automatically via /etc/vfstab during boot time[03:56:35] *** samc has quit IRC[03:57:24] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[04:01:10] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[04:02:48] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[04:03:27] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[04:05:56] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[04:08:47] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[04:09:01] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[04:12:24] *** yippi_ has quit IRC[04:12:35] *** yogi has quit IRC[04:13:04] *** yogi has joined #opensolaris[04:15:30] *** sstallion_ is now known as sstallion[04:15:34] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[04:15:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sstallion[04:15:44] *** tosh has quit IRC[04:16:06] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[04:23:44] *** xqterry has joined #opensolaris[04:33:24] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[04:40:38] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[04:41:44] <Jondice> i tried out b134 install disk which comes up on my alienware laptop, 2009.06 did not (though I'm having some other issues with 134 on an old laptop, will file those soon)[04:42:09] <Jondice> i'm tempted to take off ubuntu since it has quite some problems with nvidia on that machine, strangely[04:46:36] <ball> Jondice: Were you using nVidia's binary driver, or the open source one?[04:47:35] <Jondice> ball, they each have their problems on that system, i even tried nouveau (which could only run low-res)[04:48:04] <Jondice> ball, it seems the nvidia binary driver will randomly cause the system to reboot after a few hours, even when not doing any 3d[04:48:19] <Jondice> and the nv driver is just slow for video[04:48:36] <oninoshiko> hopefully the last stoppers will get cleared soon and we will have 2010.q1[04:48:56] <ball> Jondice: I regard the binary driver with suspicion[04:49:29] <jamesd2> Jondice, are you sure you have ubuntu using the closed source nvidia drivers, they work fine for me, they don't off-load full screen 1080p video, but good enough[04:50:02] <Jondice> ball, i used it on other nvidia systems without problem, it could be also that it was a newer graphics card and the linux drivers tend to lag behind the windows drivers a bit[04:50:30] * ball nods[04:50:34] <ball> Could be.[04:50:49] <Jondice> jamesd2, yeah, i mean they worked alright - just random system restarts when I was using them[04:51:18] <ball> Oh well. Time to take the rubbish bins out.[04:51:22] <Jondice> i should just go load up the live cd for b134 and leave it on for a few hours (or days ... poor laptop)[04:51:32] <jamesd2> my mythtv box is running with an fx1400 nvidia card... no real issues with it..[04:51:50] *** ball has quit IRC[04:58:59] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[04:59:14] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[05:02:51] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[05:04:30] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[05:04:33] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[05:06:07] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris[05:06:45] <skeeziks> Is there a package available with m64 drivers for OpenSolaris?[05:08:33] <alanc> for SPARC? no[05:08:42] <skeeziks> Yes, for sparc.[05:09:30] <alanc> that hardware is too old for OpenSolaris official support - Martin Bochnig was going to make packages available of his drivers, but I don't think he has yet[05:11:13] <skeeziks> OK, I'm looking right at the Forums thread where you say just that :)[05:11:19] <Jondice> Should a bug for an unbootable system after install with 134 livecd or update from 124->134 go to bugs.opensolaris.org or defects.opensolaris.org?[05:11:20] <skeeziks> I'll shut up until I hit a real roadblock, thanks.[05:12:44] <Jondice> I guess the problem is, I'm not sure which component is causing the problem, but it isn't the kernel since nexenta and the livecd work[05:12:51] <Jondice> just not an actual install[05:18:54] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:19:54] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[05:21:16] *** Odin- has quit IRC[05:22:30] *** nachox has quit IRC[05:26:19] *** eleusis has quit IRC[05:26:32] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[05:26:43] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[05:26:44] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[05:26:45] <lewellyn> Jondice: if in doubt, file at defect[05:27:14] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: too late for q1 ;)[05:28:06] *** chendy has quit IRC[05:28:12] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[05:29:07] *** dalibor has quit IRC[05:29:39] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[05:29:50] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: well it's no worse then saying 03... and cut me some slack, im still not recovered from this stupid strep (shamelessly goes for the pity)[05:29:57] <alanc> Oracle's Q1 runs June-August though (weird offset fiscal year)[05:30:23] <oninoshiko> alanc: isn't it funny how they do that?[05:31:20] <alanc> 2010.oh-no-now-it's-an-ogb-discuss-flame-war[05:32:01] <oninoshiko> alanc: Bah... I know better. I read the constitution.[05:32:43] <alanc> OpenSolaris members have a constitutional right to whine at the OGB[05:33:10] <oninoshiko> well yes, and the OGB has the power to do jack all about it.[05:33:22] <oninoshiko> well, they can kick them out, but that's about it.[05:33:25] <alanc> and Rich Teer did bring up a point - even though the distro is out of the ogb's control, they are the official channel for communication to ask Sun/Oracle for information[05:38:50] <jbk> heh[05:39:11] <jbk> we should get kasey kasem to say 'opensolaris 2010.03...where are you?'[05:39:12] <jbk> =][05:41:12] *** sactodave has left #opensolaris[05:43:17] <Spencer_tt> maybe someone will announce Open-Sesame to the cave where 134 and other builds are hidden in the caverns of the future..[05:43:46] *** xqterry has quit IRC[05:44:07] <oninoshiko> Spencer_tt: it's called /dev[05:44:20] <oninoshiko> (atleast for 134)[05:44:30] <Spencer_tt> and it's 136?[05:44:46] <jbk> well there's usually a lag between ON + IPS[05:45:16] <jbk> i suspect that whatever is delaying 2010.03 is probably also diverting resources from getting /dev updated[05:45:42] *** randw has quit IRC[05:45:51] *** xqterry has joined #opensolaris[05:46:06] <Spencer_tt> I'll have to work on setting up a reduced repo for OpenSolaris jeos on my fc12 laptop[05:46:46] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:46:57] *** xapiens has quit IRC[05:46:58] *** gnibbler has quit IRC[05:49:18] <oninoshiko> thats ON, you'd have to build it yourself. if you want to deal with it, here are the instructions, which i don't guarantee are up-to-date: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/downloads/on[05:52:12] <oninoshiko> (links are near the bottom to the three sources for... sources)[05:53:58] <Spencer_tt> got it[05:54:46] <oninoshiko> remember: if you break it, you own both halves.[05:54:54] *** bklang has quit IRC[05:55:03] *** winstonw is now known as chairmain_meow[05:55:12] *** jt has joined #opensolaris[05:55:19] *** chairmain_meow is now known as alan_turnip[05:56:10] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris[05:56:50] <skeeziks> Should I be able to use /dev/ttya and /dev/ttyb with OpenSol on an Ultra 10? The device files are not there on my system.[05:57:18] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:59:54] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[06:02:13] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[06:02:14] *** FastJack has quit IRC[06:03:16] <Shoggoth> hi all[06:03:20] *** held has joined #opensolaris[06:03:38] <Shoggoth> how do you enable password-less ssh for root?[06:03:43] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[06:04:59] <Shoggoth> I've setup authorized keys... set PermitRootLogin yes in sshd_config and done a svcadm restart ssh[06:05:11] <Shoggoth> but it's still prompting me for a password?[06:05:57] *** heldchen has quit IRC[06:06:18] <jamesd2> Shoggoth, you need to change root to a user and not a role.[06:06:52] <Shoggoth> eh... I remember doing something along those lines a couple of years ago... would you care to refresh my memory[06:07:50] <jamesd2> looking...[06:08:28] <jamesd2> rolemod -K type=normal root[06:09:57] <Shoggoth> sweet[06:10:11] <oninoshiko> if you say so -_-[06:11:17] <Shoggoth> thanks * 1e+6[06:12:06] <jamesd2> oninoshiko, sometimes the software you use needs to be root and doesn't play well with OpenSolaris, Sun VDI to name one...[06:16:10] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[06:19:52] <Shoggoth> oninoshiko, jamesd2: I needed root access to allow me to do an rsync from my linux box and maintain permissions. Of course the better thing to do would be to set up an rsync server. But in general can the same thing be achieved using zfs allow or pam_roles allow_remote ?[06:21:05] <jamesd2> Shoggoth, there were other ways.. such as rsync -e ssh .. and have it run pfexec ssh on the remote site, it would require some complex rsync options but doable...[06:21:10] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[06:21:52] <Shoggoth> eh another solaris thing I'm gonna have to learn more about[06:22:09] <Shoggoth> I think I've got my vacation completely blocked out with solaris bits now :)[06:22:27] *** mui has quit IRC[06:22:30] *** mui has joined #opensolaris[06:22:49] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[06:23:40] *** alan_turnip is now known as FreeBSD[06:24:06] *** FreeBSD is now known as FreeBSD_asdf[06:24:20] *** FreeBSD_asdf has left #opensolaris[06:26:08] *** hsp has quit IRC[06:29:12] *** FastJack has quit IRC[06:29:22] *** vinayak has joined #opensolaris[06:38:28] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[06:38:56] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[06:42:21] *** kimc has quit IRC[06:42:21] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[06:43:17] <xqterry> edit ~/.ssh/config, alias your host name, default user and identity key file[06:44:18] *** jt has quit IRC[06:53:11] *** Aria has quit IRC[06:54:03] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[06:56:05] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[06:57:42] *** zzpat has quit IRC[06:57:46] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[07:00:01] <trochej> Coffee[07:02:38] *** zzpat has quit IRC[07:03:45] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[07:04:17] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[07:04:56] <zedrich> how does nslookup work... and ping / firefox do not[07:05:15] *** effnorwood_ has joined #opensolaris[07:05:22] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[07:05:26] *** effnorwood_ is now known as effnorwood[07:05:41] <jamesd2> zedrich, does ping 74.125.95.103 work?[07:05:52] <zedrich> i can ping my nameservers[07:05:59] <zedrich> which are outside the firewall (this is at home)[07:06:11] <zedrich> jamesd2: that works[07:06:14] <jamesd2> zedrich, okay do cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf[07:06:19] <zedrich> oh riight[07:06:22] <zedrich> man I always forget about htat[07:06:23] <zedrich> thanks[07:06:32] <jamesd2> yeah its a bug that should be fixed...[07:06:59] <zedrich> yup all good thanks[07:08:31] <lewellyn> jamesd2: it has been. it's called "nwam"! ;)[07:09:13] <jamesd2> lewellyn, yeah.. but unless you have a laptop, i consider it pretty pointless... it just caused me 2-3 days of pain getting stuff to work...[07:09:30] <lewellyn> s/laptop/single nic/[07:09:50] <lewellyn> in my complex scenarios, it works great[07:10:12] <lewellyn> AND it doesn't impede the function of vbox![07:10:24] <jamesd2> lewellyn, if you have a single nic, and its wired why do you need nwam, its configure once... run for ever...[07:10:43] <lewellyn> ULP[07:10:53] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[07:11:01] <lewellyn> i have a few /etc/nwam.* dirs that i symlink[07:11:22] <lewellyn> and each nic has a different ULP within each set[07:11:27] <zedrich> I was considering doing some hosting ... would be interested in backups unless you guys dont think its necessary for ZFS :)[07:11:30] <jamesd2> but if you are running wired, why do you need to have daemons sitting in ram/swap eating space.[07:11:50] <lewellyn> jamesd2: so i don't have to do more than select a menu item to switch subnets[07:12:02] <oninoshiko> snapshots are not a replacement for proper packups (blah blah blah)[07:12:16] <lewellyn> zfs isn't the holy grail (blah blah blah)[07:12:25] <jamesd2> zedrich, backups are totally necessary, but the better question is how do i backup 4TB of disk space for less than $500 and not just have spare sata drives doing the backup.[07:12:46] <zedrich> jamesd2: that was actually totally my question :D[07:13:04] <lewellyn> THE CLOUD[07:13:10] <zedrich> thought of buygin a cheap 1U, (4) 2TB drive system[07:13:23] <zedrich> figured that would get me on a good daily / weekly / monthly rotation[07:13:25] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[07:13:35] <jamesd2> zedrich, and what happens when your house burns down.. all your data is gone.[07:13:55] <zedrich> jamesd2: .... I'm hoping that the datacenter's fire suppression .. works?[07:14:05] <oninoshiko> jamesd2: actually i dont see the problem with another shelf of disks. with some previos, errata, and notes[07:14:18] <jamesd2> zedrich, sometimes the fire suppression does more damage than the fire itself.[07:14:25] <zedrich> so .. that was sort of my question too[07:14:32] <lewellyn> especially if it's water[07:14:34] <oninoshiko> some of those being "they are in a different location"[07:14:41] <zedrich> when I see 8TB of storage sitting there I dont usually go 'yippee its backup space!' right[07:15:01] <zedrich> then I thought about how using it too instead of purely backups is what... just having autosnap on haha[07:15:13] <zedrich> if ZFS is reliable it actually makes the same sense[07:15:36] <zedrich> so then i figured 'wait.. maybe redundant ZFS heads per pool is really the same idea'[07:15:45] <Andys^> o_O[07:15:49] <zedrich> and so was wondering if thats possible like netapp / emc does (or supposedly does)[07:16:13] <Andys^> it is[07:16:19] <oninoshiko> zedrich: zfs is reliable, but the "what happens when a tornado/hurricane hits" is what the backups are for[07:16:21] <zedrich> of course you have no recourse if root does something erroneous[07:16:26] <Andys^> but it doesn't stop your equipment burning down / getting nuked / stolen[07:16:31] <zedrich> oninoshiko: yeah .. offsite etc[07:16:42] <jamesd2> zedrich, i have made mistakes personally that killed filesystems that i didn't intend to delete, it was junk data in my case, but still proof that zfs doesn't give you the perfect backup...[07:16:43] <zedrich> realized thats maybe too much rigor[07:16:55] <zedrich> jamesd2: yeah thats really 'maybe' my only concern[07:17:20] <zedrich> my logic was almost just 'if i have redundant hardware.. why not use it realtime then?'[07:17:50] <zedrich> jamesd2: a 'safe' mode that disables rm -fR could be a good way around that[07:18:03] <zedrich> guess though thats usually called 'root' but really are we all that careful any more? haha[07:18:24] <lewellyn> zedrich: i think he meant with zfs destroy[07:18:31] <Andys^> zedrich: i'm currently attempting to build a DIY dual-head zfs configuration[07:18:35] <zedrich> lewellyn: sure, whichever[07:18:45] <zedrich> Andys^: youll have to keep me up to date[07:19:14] <jamesd2> zedrich, not really... for i in $( zfs list) ; do zfs destroy $i ; done[07:19:32] <zedrich> in zpool list[07:19:46] <zedrich> much simpler xF[07:19:47] <zedrich> D[07:20:04] <oninoshiko> zedrich: wouldn't work[07:20:19] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain rpool[07:20:20] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about rpool...[07:20:22] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain zpool[07:20:23] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about zpool...[07:20:29] * Spencer_tt googles it[07:20:32] <lewellyn> smrt: explain rpool mirror[07:20:33] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about rpool mirror...[07:20:38] <zedrich> heh[07:20:38] <lewellyn> smrt: explain mirror rpool[07:20:39] <smrt> http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/10/18/zfs-boot-mirror-setup/[07:20:45] <lewellyn> there. ok. the bot's not broken![07:20:49] <Andys^> just got order more hardware ... primarily a dual-ported SAS JBOD and disks for it[07:20:50] *** dover has quit IRC[07:21:02] <oninoshiko> Andys^: nice[07:21:08] <zedrich> whoever created smrt was very smart[07:21:11] *** radsy has quit IRC[07:21:15] <zedrich> irc bots are fun[07:21:23] <oninoshiko> that would be lewellyn[07:21:31] <Andys^> tossing up between 12x2TB Constellation ES SAS, or 24x500gb 2.5" Constellation SAS[07:21:32] <zedrich> :)[07:22:05] <zedrich> andrnils: more spindles not faster?[07:22:43] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: though it's only a fork of shircbot :)[07:22:43] <oninoshiko> speaking of drives, Andys^, did you see the new "RealSSD C300" drives?[07:22:45] <jamesd2> Andys^, is space or speed more important? i would add some slog devices and give up a disk for hotspare and raidz2 or 3... depending on your level of paranoia and the quality of your backup solution.[07:23:00] <Andys^> oh yeah - slog+l2arc is seperate[07:23:02] *** zzpat has quit IRC[07:23:48] <zedrich> so is 134 the most up to date you guys expect me to be? heh ... moved from 111b officially now[07:24:23] <Spencer_tt> and we have http://zpool.org/ which explains why someone is using ssds and zfs..[07:24:49] <zedrich> cant rename a zfs dataset while in use?[07:24:50] <Andys^> the 500gb 2.5" actually use almost 1/4 the power of the 2TB 7200rpm[07:24:57] <Andys^> but their latency is no better[07:25:01] <Andys^> but more spindles = win[07:25:20] <zedrich> Andys^: theoretically nearly twice as fast[07:25:31] <zedrich> could be bus / controller limits[07:25:37] <zedrich> but why not ignore those hehe[07:26:14] <Spencer_tt> in theory zfs should be able to support > 128 bits no?[07:26:28] <Andys^> there should be 24gbps 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I try to be a helpful bot. 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ask "why not 1024?"[07:32:57] <lewellyn> yay smrt[07:33:16] <oninoshiko> lblume: that's why it's open-source... we can just say "go to is and good luck"[07:33:37] <oninoshiko> followed by alot of snickering[07:33:56] <Spencer_tt> oninoshiko: I laugh out loud.[07:34:03] <lblume> Scary thought - based on the premise that bigger is better, people might actually switch to 1024 :-D[07:34:33] *** eycel1 has quit IRC[07:34:40] * Spencer_tt advocates 2048 bits zfs by 2014[07:34:47] <oninoshiko> lblume: if it makes them feel more secure in there size... who am i to judge?[07:34:48] *** dduvall has quit IRC[07:34:59] <oninoshiko> their[07:35:32] <oninoshiko> not to say I wont, but that's just for personal amusement[07:35:59] *** kitche has quit IRC[07:36:02] <lblume> Yeah, you'll say that, until your manager gets into the "mine is better than theirs" contest and orders you to switch to 8192 bit zfs ASAP :-D[07:36:06] <Spencer_tt> smrt: sup[07:36:23] <Spencer_tt> :D[07:36:28] *** kitche has 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Are you slipping prozac in his decaf?[07:38:43] <jamesd2> Spencer_tt, http://blogs.sun.com/video/entry/becoming_a_zfs_ninja[07:38:54] <zedrich> anyone here in #jav?[07:38:58] <zedrich> #java i mean[07:39:26] <zedrich> unfortunately the jdk on 134 segfaults[07:39:40] <zedrich> which i find on solaris to be ... ungood[07:39:50] <oninoshiko> lblume: no, it's just "I told you that, last week" is damn annoying[07:40:33] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[07:40:36] <lblume> haha :-D[07:40:46] <oninoshiko> everything I needed to know about dealing with people I learned from Pavlov[07:40:46] <Spencer_tt> lol[07:41:08] <lblume> oninoshiko: Electrified keyboard?[07:41:17] <lewellyn> zedrich: usual answer: file a bug :D[07:41:52] * zedrich makes a note[07:41:53] *** eycel1 has joined #opensolaris[07:42:18] <lewellyn> seriously, the next release is based upon 134. if bugs aren't filed, don't expect the release to not have the bugs.[07:42:28] * zedrich considers a downgrade just to work through this immediate problem[07:42:52] <zedrich> my other issue.. that java zfs wrappers dont destroy correctly[07:43:07] <zedrich> rather, always report 'dataset is busy' even when command line works.. etc[07:43:20] <zedrich> but thats not part of osol so on my own there i think[07:44:43] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[07:45:04] <zedrich> lewellyn: well am I right in assuming that if I have 134 that its all 'latest' of all packages... tried an update but did nothing[07:45:11] <zedrich> dont know how release works per se[07:45:37] <zedrich> if there are updates that bring you forward or if thats done as a dev release and upgrading to a new boot profile is the method there[07:46:04] <zedrich> and if thats the case.. being on 111b updated would be 134? i believe with other systems you can just keep upgrading right[07:47:09] <Spencer_tt> jamesd: enlightening[07:47:10] *** eycel1 has quit IRC[07:47:13] <lblume> 111b is 111b, 134 is 134.[07:47:47] <Spencer_tt> and 136 is in the topic so what is it exactly[07:48:31] <lblume> 136 is the latest code base tag.[07:48:32] <zedrich> is it? I'm all virtualized and my important data is on a separate zfs drive... so i can pretty much upgrade ad hoc[07:48:40] <lblume> But binaries are not available.[07:48:41] <zedrich> so i can try it[07:48:44] <jamesd2> Spencer_tt, http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b83/on-changelog-b83.html replace the 83's with the version you want to see info about.[07:49:32] <lblume> zedrich: You can try pretty much what you want, with backup BE, it's esy, just remember not to upgrade the zpool/zfs version if you want to be able to roll back.[07:50:15] <zedrich> iblum: thats a command that I'd have to issue right so .. easier to not remember to do it :D[07:50:32] <lblume> Yes :-D[07:51:54] <Spencer_tt> jamesd: maybe I'll need fancy images and flashy motion pictures to put the point across about the info I want to see[07:52:41] <jamesd2> Spencer_tt, its not fancy, its ben rockwood... he gives the facts and not just sun's marketing's version[07:53:02] <jamesd2> and shows how to test using virtual box if you want POC[07:54:24] <Spencer_tt> awesome[07:54:40] *** eycel has joined #opensolaris[07:55:25] <CIA-21> Rafael Vanoni <rafael.vanoni at sun dot com>: 6900377 atomic operations on cp_haltset limit IOPs[07:55:36] <lblume> Ben is rather incredible in his ability to show you the awesomeness of zfs in just a few slides.[07:55:59] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:56:04] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:56:07] <trochej> Coffee[07:56:09] <trochej> Yyp[07:56:36] <lblume> Coffee! Yes![07:56:46] <lblume> I knew ?I was forgetting to add something in my vodka.[07:56:54] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[07:57:33] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[07:58:41] <taemun> battle of the people with names ending in Z[07:58:58] <taemun> s/end/start[07:59:17] * Spencer_tt sighs - flash, skype, don't work in fc x86_64, so many things to do flash is a waste of time in such a case.[07:59:25] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[08:01:13] <gosx> wow[08:01:22] <gosx> the b135 changelog is huge[08:01:28] *** zzpat has quit IRC[08:02:18] <taemun> can someone recommend a cpu stress test utility for osol?[08:02:38] <gosx> is one of the SETI clients available?[08:02:39] <taemun> gosx: 134 the the formative build for a "stable" one, they were obviously holding off on making large changes for a while before that[08:02:45] <taemun> hence why 135 is huge[08:02:50] <gosx> yea, that's what i figured[08:03:01] <taemun> does seti have a "cpu test" mode?[08:03:09] <taemun> or ... sanity testing on what it does or something[08:03:14] <gosx> taemun: it runs at max CPU load with checksums[08:03:18] <gosx> it'll check its data[08:03:22] <taemun> okio[08:03:30] <gosx> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/[08:03:35] <gosx> find a project in there maybe[08:03:54] <taemun> http://www.dotsch.de/seti/seti_boinc-6.03.10-solaris-x86.tar.gz <<[08:04:45] <andersenep> gosx: you might check systester. http://systester.sourceforge.net/[08:05:07] <gosx> sure, something like that would work fine[08:05:18] <gosx> i was just thinking taemun could donate those cycles to science[08:05:25] <gosx> instead of to merely heating the atmosphere[08:05:28] <Spencer_tt> hmm now that I typed a few commands in linux to spit something out maybe I'll try them in OpenSolaris[08:05:59] <andersenep> sorry, addressed the wrong person i guess.[08:06:05] <taemun> gosx: it was only running for a shorter time lol[08:06:13] *** dunc has quit IRC[08:06:22] <taemun> I pay for power :P[08:06:25] <taemun> andersenep: thanks[08:06:31] *** davenz has quit IRC[08:10:39] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:10:47] <lblume> oh, 802.11n is here?[08:11:14] <taemun> do I get cake?[08:12:06] <trochej> Coffee[08:13:24] *** nikolam has quit IRC[08:13:38] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[08:14:11] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[08:18:19] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[08:22:28] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[08:23:37] <CodeWar> whatever happened to that mythical 2010.something release... nobody seems to be complaining about it anymore either :-)[08:25:50] <lblume> What's to complain about?[08:26:10] <trochej> CodeWar It was cancelled. We're waiting for full theming of windows 7 to be sold as OpenSolaris 7, windows compatibility included[08:26:40] <Spencer_tt> :D[08:29:55] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[08:31:29] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[08:33:03] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[08:33:40] <lblume> A good deal too, Sun proved how good it is when they ..[08:33:55] <Macer> blah[08:34:06] <Macer> have to replace an optical drive in a ps3 for someone[08:34:26] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[08:34:51] <Macer> what is this "clean it out" thing that people have about computers?[08:35:03] *** hajma_ has joined #opensolaris[08:35:39] <Macer> a friend of mine brought me an older compaq p4 and she said "i just want to see if you can clean it out for me"[08:36:00] *** hajma has quit IRC[08:36:17] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[08:36:59] <oninoshiko> they dont own vacuums?[08:37:12] <Spencer_tt> mmm Air Force Zero[08:38:02] <Macer> haha[08:38:09] <Macer> no.. it is a software thing[08:39:21] <Macer> like there is a magic wand you wave across it and all of a sudden their windows 2000 compaq is cured of its 4848585828 trojans, virii, and adware from years of clicking "you have won!!"[08:39:33] <Macer> hahaha[08:41:29] <trochej> Yup[08:43:17] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[08:43:39] <lblume> Well, why disappoint? It's good that Sysadmins have established a shamanist religion that makes users respect them.[08:46:08] <trochej> lblume I believe it is more a don't wan't to deal with it, than respect[08:46:14] <|woody|> well just break it even more so they don't ask you anymore :)[08:46:55] <|woody|> " I told you I don't use Windows"[08:47:41] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[08:50:20] <lblume> trochej: It's not they don't want, they just can't. :-)[08:50:36] *** Trident has quit IRC[08:50:44] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris[08:52:34] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:52:35] *** FattyAcid has joined #opensolaris[08:52:43] <causality> Macer pop an opensolaris livecd in it and give it back to him[08:53:35] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:54:21] <lblume> Win31 in a fullscreen VBox that starts on boot?[08:54:59] <lblume> Hmmm, you bring bad luck. I'm being asked VB questions in Chinese now.[08:55:34] <CIA-21> jmcp <James.McPherson at Sun dot COM>: Added tag onnv_138 for changeset 607008ac563e050fe4e916664b4e843d49d9a1d5[08:55:35] <CIA-21> Milan Cermak <Milan.Cermak at Sun dot COM>: 6867268 sol10 on T2000: vn_rele: vnode ref count 0[08:55:40] *** chendy has quit IRC[09:01:59] *** comay has quit IRC[09:02:03] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[09:03:39] <Spencer_tt> lol[09:03:57] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[09:04:11] <Spencer_tt> maybe some feng shui can help in some places[09:04:27] <Calibellus> How are people finding the 3.1.6 vBox? Worth upgrading to from 3.1.4?[09:05:55] <jamesd2> Calibellus, nothing major for me but i use 3.1.6 on vista only.. my OSOL is stuck on a much older version thanks to Sun VDI.[09:06:16] <lblume> It went smoothly on osol for me. No issue.[09:06:18] <Calibellus> Well I'm running it on my mac, with Win7, and some other random stuff.[09:06:28] <Calibellus> Just wondering if people ran into any issues.[09:06:50] <Calibellus> OK that's embarassing. I seem to have forgot my password on my osol vm.[09:07:46] *** trusiad has joined #opensolaris[09:09:37] *** bsjang has joined #opensolaris[09:09:45] *** twisti has quit IRC[09:10:08] <Macer> haha[09:10:17] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[09:10:17] <Macer> hey[09:10:20] <Macer> it's a p4[09:10:30] <Macer> it can run win95 just fine![09:10:32] <Macer> ;)[09:10:45] *** heldchen has joined #opensolaris[09:11:04] <Macer> (maybe)[09:12:56] *** held has quit IRC[09:15:21] *** heldchen has quit IRC[09:20:23] <Spencer_tt> some people run win 95 because they don't see the point of changing setups if they work.[09:20:55] <CodeWar> makes sense too[09:23:57] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[09:25:11] *** zzpat has quit IRC[09:27:13] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[09:29:47] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:30:35] *** twisti has quit IRC[09:33:18] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[09:35:17] *** Aria has quit IRC[09:39:06] *** zzpat has quit IRC[09:40:06] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[09:42:28] *** biant92 has quit IRC[09:45:40] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[09:48:42] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[09:51:04] <trochej> Coffee[09:51:32] <causality> Toffee[09:51:50] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:53:09] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[09:53:23] <madwizard> causality: Acceptable :)[09:54:17] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[09:54:20] <CodeWar> perhaps a basic network spanking is in order for me for this dumb question but any idea why "time nslookup www.yahoo.com " takes 0.102 s consistently back to back while time nslookup yahoo.com only takes 0.019 s?[09:54:41] <CodeWar> dropped "www" in the latter[09:54:45] <lewellyn> CodeWar: because that's how long your dns server takes to respond?[09:54:54] <lewellyn> try time getent hosts whatever.tld[09:54:55] <causality> CodeWar number of queries[09:55:08] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[09:55:22] <CodeWar> so using www.yahoo.com sends more #queries as compared to yahoo.com?[09:55:27] <CIA-21> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6931727 secdb.c:_kva2str() doesn't free(3c) memory.[09:55:28] <CIA-21> Gangadhar Mylapuram <Gangadhar.M at Sun dot COM>: 6917776 prioctl (PIOCUSAGE) returning skewed pr_wtime[09:55:34] <causality> basically yes[09:55:44] <causality> www is a subdomain of a subdomain[09:55:59] <causality> they get resolved from the top down[09:56:11] <CodeWar> makes sense ...[09:57:35] *** ma3x has quit IRC[09:57:52] <CodeWar> but shouldnt back to back calls utilize dns caching of some sort? for e.g., the first nslookup on yahoo.com takes the same time as www.yahoo.com[09:57:54] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[09:58:08] <CodeWar> the subsequent ones on yahoo.com decrease drastically but not so for www.yahoo.com[09:58:25] <causality> authoritive nameservers dont cache[09:58:45] <causality> well, the zones are loaded into memory[09:59:06] <CodeWar> sure is a learning moment :-) thanks causality[09:59:23] <causality> dns clients cache[09:59:46] <causality> cant remember if you can configure bind to cache in recursive mode[10:00:02] <causality> i would expect so as its commonly known as a caching nameserver :)[10:00:23] <CodeWar> no idea what all that means but heck nslookup www.google.com and google.com take the same time though[10:00:36] *** alanc has quit IRC[10:01:59] <causality> different name servers are configured differently[10:02:07] <causality> i wouldn't expect any consistency on the internet :)[10:02:13] <gebi> CodeWar: www.yahoo.com is a cname, www.google.com is an a record[10:02:48] <causality> cnames are ebil[10:03:11] <lblume> CodeWar: To see the effect of caching, you should use getent, not nslookup.[10:03:32] <lblume> nslookup talks directly to the DNS servers, getent uses the system's resolver, which caches.[10:04:29] <lewellyn> CodeWar: did getent hosts give different results, as i suggested trying?[10:04:37] *** nettezzaumana has joined #opensolaris[10:04:38] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[10:04:40] <nettezzaumana> hi there[10:05:25] <causality> hi![10:05:55] <CodeWar> lewellyn, lblume yes getent does show faster successive accesses on www.yahoo.com[10:06:10] <lewellyn> that's thanks to the local resolver cache[10:06:21] <lewellyn> as the name "nslookup" indicates, it asks the nameserver[10:06:33] <lewellyn> even if the os already has the answer cacced[10:06:35] <lewellyn> cached[10:06:46] <CodeWar> lewellyn, nslookup will use dns caching on the router if such is supported?[10:07:03] <lewellyn> it will ask your dns server, however it's set up[10:07:23] <CodeWar> .. but *not* use values cached on the local machine effectively[10:07:33] <lewellyn> nslookup explicitly won't[10:07:38] <lewellyn> i think its man page says so[10:09:11] <nettezzaumana> i'd like to ask, why after some days of running (uptime ~ 3 weeks) is opensolaris so fucked .. slowly responsing, sucking and all other .. is there any real tool for watching system? prstat says like everything is ok, no load occur, mdb shows a 22% of free memory .. interesting[10:09:11] <causality> CodeWar: nslookup queries the nominated nameservers for that domain[10:09:33] <zedrich> and lockups...[10:09:43] <zedrich> hmm 134 not treating me too swell[10:10:05] <nettezzaumana> ps .. mdb also shows this: "Kernel 102122 398 39%" .. it seems like kernel has devoured 39% of RAM ?? such despicable act[10:11:10] <nettezzaumana> our developers who are currently using this system claims, that is not usable and i believe them[10:11:32] <CodeWar> they re just lying coz they ll not be meeting the deadlone[10:11:33] <causality> nettezzaumana so use a production-ready o/s[10:11:34] <CodeWar> *deadline[10:16:26] <lewellyn> nettezzaumana: which build?[10:17:38] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[10:17:45] *** trusiad has left #opensolaris[10:17:53] *** twisti has quit IRC[10:18:20] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:18:23] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[10:19:45] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[10:21:08] *** vivid has quit IRC[10:23:01] *** Jondice has quit IRC[10:23:24] <forquare> nettezzaumana: Not sure, but could that be ZFS that is drinking the memory? My 2009.06 server has currently been up ~15 weeks, it's consuming lots of RAM (88% of 4GB used), but it quickly scales back it's usage if I need to use it...[10:23:44] <wdp_aao_> forquare, zfs uses a lot of space, yes.[10:23:52] <wdp_aao_> s/space/ram[10:23:57] <wdp_aao_> s/ram/memory[10:24:01] <wdp_aao_> morning.[10:24:30] <wdp_aao_> Hell, i want to use Opensolaris again, but it doesn't support my dvb-t card, and xen in osol hasn't got pci-pass-through. What to do now? :<[10:24:52] <forquare> wdp_aao_: Yeah, but would that show up as being used by the kernel? If so, then I have the same situation as nettezzaumana, however, with my machine, RAM will be freed up if I need it, and the machine doesn't feel sluggish[10:24:58] <forquare> (Morning to you too ;) )[10:26:27] <madwizard> The zfs ARC will be shown as kernelspace iirc[10:26:28] *** FattyAcid has quit IRC[10:27:07] <ArcAngel> teh ZFS Arc![10:27:13] * ArcAngel ![10:27:18] <ArcAngel> O=)[10:27:57] <madwizard> Coffee[10:28:53] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[10:29:27] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[10:32:19] <nettezzaumana> lewellyn: latest[10:32:33] <nettezzaumana> sorry for long delay ... thay are using netbeans[10:32:43] <nettezzaumana> and it's truly unusabe[10:32:52] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[10:32:53] <nettezzaumana> s/unu.*/unusable[10:33:45] <nettezzaumana> it runs in esx vmware and strange is, that system doesn't look like has not enough memory or cpu resources[10:34:50] <nettezzaumana> but ok, i just restarted a box and it runs fast now .. i'll try to increase memory there[10:35:19] <lewellyn> nettezzaumana: post to a list. osol-help maybe[10:35:38] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[10:35:40] <lewellyn> we're not really equipped in here to help you troubleshoot intermittent performance issues :)[10:35:43] <nettezzaumana> lewellyn: but it rather seems like prstat is very inaccurate[10:36:21] <nettezzaumana> lewellyn: thanks for care ;) dude[10:36:24] <lewellyn> i reiterate :P[10:37:48] <wdp_aao_> hm, might pci-pass-through be in the developer builds?[10:38:20] <lblume> nettezzaumana: You sure you don't have a scrub running in the background? :-)[10:39:07] <gebi> doesn't pci-pass-through need io virtualizatin (VT-d) to be safe?[10:40:12] <nettezzaumana> lblume: ah .. ok, tru dat .. i'll check next time, thanks for mention[10:40:13] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[10:41:35] <jim`> Wonder if anyone can suggest something: I'm trying to setup CHAP authentication on my iSCSI targets[10:41:37] <nettezzaumana> lblume: i have currently unlimited cpu resources of 2x "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5430 @ 2.66GHz" and 2GB of ram reserver for this machine[10:41:47] <jim`> but whenever I setup the CHAP password I get: iscsitadm: Unable to contact target daemon[10:42:12] <jim`> the targets continue to work fine however, so the daemon seems to be running..[10:43:21] *** nikolam has quit IRC[10:43:39] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[10:44:08] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[10:46:00] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[10:46:08] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[10:49:09] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[10:49:25] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:51:34] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[10:56:19] *** lattera has quit IRC[10:58:11] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[10:58:39] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[11:00:28] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[11:02:25] *** bsjang has quit IRC[11:02:45] *** Garen has quit IRC[11:03:34] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[11:03:49] *** dalibor has quit IRC[11:05:38] *** dsturnbull has joined #opensolaris[11:08:36] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:09:21] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[11:10:21] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[11:10:37] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:11:05] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[11:16:57] *** mui has quit IRC[11:17:40] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[11:18:25] *** mui has joined #opensolaris[11:21:32] *** houst0n has quit IRC[11:21:35] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[11:23:02] *** phil_ has joined #opensolaris[11:23:55] *** mui has quit IRC[11:26:47] *** mui has joined #opensolaris[11:27:51] *** Stric has quit IRC[11:30:05] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[11:32:36] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[11:32:43] *** stratism has joined #opensolaris[11:34:48] *** stratism has left #opensolaris[11:36:52] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[11:39:42] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[11:39:43] *** taemun has quit IRC[11:40:08] *** taemun has joined #opensolaris[11:40:46] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[11:42:41] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[11:47:35] *** Gugge has quit IRC[11:53:38] *** plat- has quit IRC[11:53:54] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[11:53:57] *** nachox has quit IRC[12:02:37] *** Thrae has quit IRC[12:02:49] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[12:03:45] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[12:06:42] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[12:11:28] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[12:13:45] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[12:14:26] *** vinayak has quit IRC[12:18:08] *** megaTherion has quit IRC[12:19:07] <TomJ> in pkg, 'set-authority' is just the old and deprecated name for 'set-publisher', right?[12:20:56] <seanmcg> yup[12:21:31] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[12:21:32] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[12:26:12] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[12:27:00] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:27:28] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[12:30:51] *** hsp has quit IRC[12:32:17] <nikolam> Hm, what mentioning this in Opensolaris binary license means: (c) You may not rent, lease, lend or encumber Software.[12:32:44] *** freitas has joined #opensolaris[12:32:51] <nikolam> So I can not use it on Internet caffe?[12:33:47] <freitas> hi need same help whit comstar iscsi[12:33:48] <TomJ> seanmcg: thanks[12:33:56] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[12:34:15] <lewellyn> nikolam: i'd suggest asking your lawyer[12:34:33] <nikolam> lewellyn, well, what?[12:34:46] <lewellyn> as far as i know, none of us are lawyers. therefore, basing business decisions on what we say about a license is probably not smart.[12:35:39] *** nettezzaumana has left #opensolaris[12:35:41] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:36:20] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[12:36:27] <nikolam> lewellyn, but what you think about that.[12:37:15] <lewellyn> i think that i've not run that kind of business and don't know how to interpret it[12:37:35] <TomJ> nikolam: I think it means you can't rent out the software itself, on a disk. You can't make someone pay for the software alone. But you can make a commercial service running on opensolaris where people pay to use your server/services[12:38:04] <lewellyn> TomJ: that'd be my guess too. but i'm not in a position to provide his business legal advice on that :)[12:38:26] <nikolam> Aha. i see. no selling Opensolaris CDs with manual[12:39:19] <lewellyn> afaik, there's nothing stopping someone from selling the ISOs available via dlc and genunix[12:39:49] <nikolam> well, binary license as I see it now, exactly forbid that[12:39:53] <TomJ> Well surely that term is what's stopping you. Legally, at least. that applies to the ISOs on those sites too, doesn't it?[12:40:13] <nikolam> I think so.[12:40:24] <freitas> any one to talk about comstar iscsi performance ?[12:40:36] * lewellyn doesn't have an iso handy to check[12:40:45] <nikolam> If someone wants to do that, he might build its ofw binary .iso wit logos, and yada yada[12:41:33] <lewellyn> nothing prevents that either, afaik.[12:41:43] <TomJ> lewellyn: did you find out what your method for assessing ACLs was, in your script? You had some issue getting in to that ssh site that it was on, yesterday[12:42:08] <lewellyn> TomJ: and you and lblume disappeared moments before the pastebin was linked in here :P[12:42:59] <lewellyn> TomJ: 11:09 lewellyn: http://nopaste.info/4d231a531a.html[12:43:00] <TomJ> oh ok :) Got the link handy?[12:43:02] <TomJ> thanks[12:43:09] *** Stric has joined #opensolaris[12:43:21] <TomJ> right, using ls. yeah that's what I expected[12:43:24] <lewellyn> it works for me (tm) :)[12:43:25] <TomJ> There's no other way to do it that I've found[12:43:33] <lewellyn> well, not from a script[12:43:36] <TomJ> Yeah[12:43:43] <lewellyn> you could write a program to do it[12:43:49] <TomJ> Yup[12:43:51] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[12:44:33] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[12:44:34] <TomJ> I thought cp -@ copied ACLs? Does it not work right?[12:44:58] <TomJ> Maybe it's POSIX only, not NFSv4/ZFS?[12:45:35] <lewellyn> TomJ: that copies more than acls, i thought[12:46:31] <TomJ> yes quite possibly - testing now[12:46:40] * lewellyn notes that the iso doesn't seem to have any file indicating its license on it[12:47:30] <lewellyn> TomJ: the idea is that i'll create a new directory and it needs to have the same permissions as an existing folder[12:47:42] <nikolam> lewellyn, there is a link to license online[12:47:43] <lewellyn> afaict, it's this or point-n-click the windows gui[12:47:45] <TomJ> ok, cp -@ does not work to duplicate ZFS ACLs.[12:47:58] <TomJ> oh hang on[12:48:07] <lewellyn> nikolam: the disc should have one too :)[12:48:18] <nikolam> nikolam, its like up to 45MB for all licenses I think[12:48:42] <nikolam> CDDL, GPL etc is enough for CD[12:48:44] <TomJ> ah ok, cp -p works[12:49:15] *** fedreric has joined #opensolaris[12:49:21] <TomJ> cp -p does copy ZFS/NFSv4 ACLs - it also replicates the time, so yes I assume it copies all attributes, everything[12:49:27] <nikolam> Last year for some time wasnt even online, so I asked and they put it online[12:50:09] <lewellyn> TomJ: *all* i want is the ACLs though :)[12:50:33] *** Gugge has joined #opensolaris[12:50:44] <nikolam> http://www.opensolaris.com/licensing/opensolaris_live_media_license/[12:50:58] <TomJ> sure, if you don't want other attributes then cp can't help[12:51:38] <TomJ> note that there's also a -/ which copies the same as -p, "and extended system attributes". not sure what those mean[12:52:13] <TomJ> did they really run out of letters and have to use a /? bizarre[12:52:19] <lewellyn> nikolam: then you should contact a lawyer if you're unsure as to whether you can legally use it, and if you have a 45 mb license :P[12:53:37] <nikolam> lewellyn, well, I am not talking about that anymore. We concluded on channel that one can not sell or rent osol cds ¨as is¨ but can use any way he wants to to provide any service etc.[12:54:22] <TomJ> Well, we're not lawyers. But that's what it probably means. And I am sure there are many here, myself included, who are offering commercial services on Osol[12:54:53] <lewellyn> nikolam: we didn't conclude. we speculated. world of difference.[12:54:54] <nikolam> I just posted a link since someone asked[12:56:05] <nikolam> lewellyn, and we are not using Osol , we are just testing it ;)[12:56:11] <TomJ> You can buy commercial support for OpenSolaris so it'd be a bit silly if you weren't allowed to use it in production[12:56:28] <TomJ> well, you could buy support - Oracle may be killing that (apparently hardly anyone bought it)[12:57:25] <lewellyn> it sounds more like it's being merged with Solaris support (which makes a lot of sense)[12:58:29] <lewellyn> dude. i'm hungry[12:58:32] <lewellyn> it's 4am[12:58:47] <lewellyn> i have no idea what to bother making at this hour![12:58:54] <madwizard> lewellyn: Sleep[12:59:01] <TomJ> sandwiches[12:59:03] <TomJ> food of the gods[12:59:13] <lewellyn> TomJ: 1) no bread. 2) nothing to put in them[12:59:19] <lewellyn> madwizard: 4 hours till client site! :P[12:59:22] <TomJ> That's a sad state of affairs[12:59:29] <lewellyn> so i guess i'll have coffee[12:59:30] <TomJ> Well you live in America, yo have 24 hour delivery take-out right?[12:59:37] <lewellyn> we have delivery?[12:59:38] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[12:59:44] <lewellyn> our take-out is 7-11 :P[12:59:44] <taemun> they have food?[13:00:03] <TomJ> Yeah I thought in the US you could order a three course meal at 6am and have it delivered to your door in 10 minutes[13:00:06] <TomJ> Maybe that's just in New York[13:00:50] <lewellyn> moroccan matbucha will have to do[13:00:59] <TomJ> is any of what you just said food?[13:01:11] <lewellyn> it's essentially a tomato salad[13:01:28] <lewellyn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matbucha[13:01:33] <TomJ> ahh. rabbit food.[13:02:02] <TomJ> The only part of meze I like is grilled halloumi[13:02:02] <lewellyn> nah. too spicy[13:02:05] <TomJ> I could eat that all day[13:02:25] <lewellyn> i don't feed the bunnies spicy food[13:02:38] <TomJ> you actually have rabbits?[13:03:04] <lewellyn> two, yes[13:05:11] *** edude03 has quit IRC[13:05:36] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[13:06:00] <nikolam> we make it here during summer, sweet peppers, tomatoes etc, fried on sunflower oil, sometimes with some white cheese inside[13:06:30] <lewellyn> it's about all the local store has left from passover[13:07:01] <lewellyn> they got their delivery of salads just as passover started, so peeople didn't buy them all up when they stocked up on food[13:07:26] <TomJ> I'm afraid I always thought rabbits to be a little pointless. I like cats[13:07:40] <lewellyn> they're like cats + dogs, with more attitude than either[13:08:18] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[13:08:19] <steven43126> lewellyn: if it's attitude your after try ferrets ;)[13:08:28] <TomJ> I want a Wolverine[13:08:28] <nikolam> You can eat rabbits ;) Only Chinese eat cats and dogs ;)[13:08:32] <lewellyn> illegal in .ca.us[13:08:42] <TomJ> They have proper attitude[13:08:49] <TomJ> They can bring down a stag[13:08:57] <TomJ> And then eat all of it[13:09:00] <lewellyn> TomJ: they also don't likely curl up to you in bed, demanding attention[13:09:02] * nikolam is hungry too, you can see that :)[13:09:19] <TomJ> I dunno, they might do if you raised them from young[13:09:44] *** silas- has quit IRC[13:09:51] <steven43126> for a second there i thought i was in the wrong channel, but no it is osol not #zoo-keepers ;)[13:09:52] <TomJ> I mean, lions can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wA-VDw_BQY[13:10:09] <lewellyn> steven43126: you have something on-topic to discuss? :)[13:10:19] <longcat> ur mom[13:10:22] <steven43126> no lol[13:10:34] <lewellyn> longcat: she doesn't run on either x86 nor sparc[13:10:43] <lewellyn> i hear there's a port to your mom starting though[13:10:45] <longcat> she runs on... nm[13:11:02] <madwizard> Is it better than coffee?[13:11:22] <lewellyn> hm.. coffee... i should have some of that too[13:11:45] <madwizard> I have one[13:11:47] <madwizard> again[13:12:01] <lewellyn> i don't count/judge ;)[13:12:15] <causality> judgy judy does[13:12:33] <lblume> Should I always be in safe mode to update the VBox extensions so they support D2D?[13:12:35] <nikolam> looks to me like, someone should begin selling coffee brand commercials :)[13:13:28] <lewellyn> lblume: afai, yes[13:13:44] <lblume> 'k, thanks[13:15:18] <madwizard> Dungeons To Dragons?[13:15:40] <lewellyn> funny, i'm configuring a new D&D dungeon creation vm right now :P[13:15:57] <TomJ> As you do[13:16:09] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[13:16:19] * timsf shudders at the idea of a dungeon with *two* dragons[13:16:33] <madwizard> timsf: Coffee?[13:16:48] <timsf> a wee sit down at the very least![13:17:44] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[13:19:49] *** cnu has joined #opensolaris[13:22:42] <jim`> Can anyone suggest the cause of this: iscsitadm: Unable to contact target daemon - (iSCSI targets all work fine otherwise)[13:23:23] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[13:34:11] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[13:34:26] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[13:35:41] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[13:39:36] *** ozux has quit IRC[13:41:33] *** B_sun has joined #opensolaris[13:43:43] *** B_sun has left #opensolaris[13:44:43] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[13:48:20] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[13:49:00] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[13:49:01] *** JeremyK has quit IRC[13:50:03] *** piwi has quit IRC[13:50:16] *** JeremyK has joined #opensolaris[13:51:46] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris[13:53:23] *** hnhn has quit IRC[13:53:46] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[13:53:59] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[13:55:24] <wereHamster> wow, Primary Administrator is missing from my exec_attr, no wonder pfexec doesn't work[13:57:34] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[14:02:36] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[14:07:14] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[14:09:16] *** ozux has quit IRC[14:11:53] *** Thrae has quit IRC[14:11:54] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[14:11:55] *** Wicked has quit IRC[14:12:14] *** JeremyK has quit IRC[14:13:26] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[14:13:27] *** Wicked has joined #opensolaris[14:14:21] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[14:14:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[14:15:25] *** JeremyK has joined #opensolaris[14:16:56] *** cudgel has joined #opensolaris[14:19:29] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[14:21:25] *** cudgel has quit IRC[14:22:18] *** lyarick has joined #opensolaris[14:23:14] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[14:27:57] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[14:28:57] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[14:29:36] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[14:31:29] *** ozux has quit IRC[14:32:11] *** free__ has joined #opensolaris[14:33:18] *** gebi has quit IRC[14:35:52] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[14:36:51] *** sponix has left #opensolaris[14:36:54] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[14:36:58] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[14:37:59] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[14:38:31] *** sponix has quit IRC[14:39:13] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[14:39:23] *** sponix has quit IRC[14:39:42] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[14:42:47] *** smrt has quit IRC[14:44:12] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[14:44:39] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[14:45:29] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[14:47:37] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[14:47:39] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[14:48:15] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[14:48:56] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[14:49:04] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[14:53:07] <effnorwood> hi all[14:53:11] <causality> hi[14:53:25] <effnorwood> causality: greetings[14:53:36] <madwizard> Elo[14:53:49] <effnorwood> madwizard: hello! coffee?[14:54:01] * effnorwood goes madwizard on the department coffee maker[14:54:03] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[14:54:08] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[14:54:29] *** KungFuJesus has joined #opensolaris[14:54:43] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[14:55:01] <KungFuJesus> does anyone know Oracle's plans for opensolaris?[14:55:11] <effnorwood> i have decided perhaps in hubris to go production iSCSI with 131 - any comments?[14:55:37] *** brandon has joined #opensolaris[14:55:55] <CosmicDJ> KungFuJesus: hm oracle maybe? ;)[14:55:56] *** brandon is now known as Jondice[14:56:22] <effnorwood> they will rebuild him. bigger. faster. stronger. more. they have the technology. :)[14:57:11] <CosmicDJ> the million dollar OS? ;)[14:57:30] <effnorwood> CosmicDJ: nice catch! :)[14:58:53] <KungFuJesus> CosmicDJ: haha[14:59:08] <KungFuJesus> but seriously, they are rubbing me wrong all over[14:59:26] <bdrewery> rip gosling[15:00:59] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:01:17] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[15:04:21] *** randw has left #opensolaris[15:07:16] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[15:08:28] <Alasdairrr> Ditto KungFuJesus[15:09:28] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC[15:11:10] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[15:11:19] <lewellyn> sstallion: i should have hardware in about 6 hours :)[15:11:51] *** ThePickle has joined #opensolaris[15:12:21] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[15:12:22] * houst0n 's head explodes in a bloody mess[15:12:59] <effnorwood> what specifically is Oracle rubbing you the wrong way on guys?[15:13:14] <jmcp> KungFuJesus: nobody here knows Oracle's plans for OpenSolaris. Nobody who works for Oracle *can* comment. Nobody who works for Oracle and who knows those plans is actually in a position to comment (neither would they hang out here)[15:13:41] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[15:13:44] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[15:13:54] <lewellyn> and oracle hasn't updated their investors, so no one knows a thing[15:14:56] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[15:15:07] <Tempt> If you don't spend time on Larry's yacht, you don't have the story.[15:15:46] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[15:16:09] <lewellyn> i don't have the money to get within spitting distance of his yacht[15:18:24] <seanmcg> Tempt, /spend time/spend time invited/ Doubt if the deckhand knows much more :)[15:18:45] <lewellyn> the walls have ears ;)[15:19:23] <Tempt> The deckhand could bug the place. I think we all get the picture, though.[15:20:11] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[15:21:12] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[15:21:13] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[15:21:21] *** strato_ has joined #opensolaris[15:22:10] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[15:22:34] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[15:22:56] *** lateau has quit IRC[15:26:25] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[15:28:35] *** raichoo has left #opensolaris[15:28:41] *** ozux has quit IRC[15:28:59] *** raichoo1 has joined #opensolaris[15:29:16] *** raichoo1 has quit IRC[15:30:09] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[15:35:15] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[15:36:03] <ThePickle> can anyone comment on open-ha cluster on current dev builds? I see ohac is a "2009.06" release...[15:36:09] <ThePickle> i.e. does it work?[15:38:27] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[15:38:34] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:38:34] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[15:38:56] *** gmarler has joined #opensolaris[15:39:02] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[15:39:03] *** extor has joined #opensolaris[15:42:46] *** xqterry has quit IRC[15:43:50] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[15:55:32] <TomJ> ThePickle: Well Open HA is described in the OpenSolaris Bible, so I'm assuming it has some utility. I have no experience of it myself, though[15:57:44] <effnorwood> what snv was 2009.06 based on? just trying to figure out how far we've come.[15:58:35] <Alasdairrr> 111b[15:58:45] <effnorwood> Alasdairrr: thanks![15:58:50] <Alasdairrr> np :)[15:59:45] *** Thrae has quit IRC[15:59:45] *** cnu has quit IRC[15:59:46] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[15:59:58] *** Stric has quit IRC[16:04:14] *** Stric has joined #opensolaris[16:08:05] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[16:08:08] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[16:08:20] <trochej> lewellyn Good maik[16:08:31] <trochej> mail[16:09:46] <Meths> trochej: You may need to repeat that :)[16:10:20] *** cnu has joined #opensolaris[16:10:41] *** terrygardner has joined #opensolaris[16:12:28] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[16:12:35] <trochej> lewellyn Good mail[16:13:04] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[16:13:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[16:13:08] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris[16:13:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[16:13:26] <trochej> lewellyn Good mail[16:13:38] <trochej> ahh, I ignore parts[16:14:06] <mui> what mail[16:14:14] <Meths> sw-porters-discuss[16:14:18] <mui> ohic[16:14:26] <Meths> (I assume)[16:14:36] <lewellyn> trochej: sw-porters-discuss or ogb-discuss? :)[16:15:03] <lewellyn> effnorwood: did you get my answers to your question?[16:15:23] *** swift has quit IRC[16:15:46] <trochej> ogb[16:15:57] <Meths> oh, heh[16:16:07] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[16:16:44] <lewellyn> trochej: i wanted to cut off the whole discussion about the new constitution, if possible :P[16:17:10] <lewellyn> they can have the damned things dealt with before they finish discussing the merits of the constitutions and which one prevails :P[16:17:16] *** richb has quit IRC[16:17:53] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[16:18:14] <trochej> :)[16:18:56] <effnorwood> lewellyn: no i don't think so. where should I look?[16:18:56] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[16:19:08] *** wdp__ has joined #opensolaris[16:19:36] <lewellyn> 07:02 effnorwood: what snv was 2009.06 based on? just trying to figure out how far we've come.[16:19:39] <lewellyn> 07:04 @lewellyn: 111b[16:19:41] <lewellyn> 07:05 @lewellyn: 23 builds, plus a couple weeks for the holidays[16:20:11] <effnorwood> weird - i don't see those. thanks for the resend.[16:20:27] <mui> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6924824 when this gets fixed[16:20:35] <mui> we need to motivate maybee[16:20:37] <mui> :([16:21:06] <effnorwood> mui: glad to hear that! that's my favorite bug. nice to see the status has changed.[16:21:09] <lewellyn> effnorwood: it's probably as the server died[16:21:14] <effnorwood> ah[16:21:29] <lewellyn> mui: i doubt motivation is needed when it's root-caused[16:21:45] <TomJ> "If files, file systems, and/or projects containing data" - what are projects in this context?[16:22:09] <mui> while it is root-caused, fixing the cause could more dangling[16:22:11] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[16:22:19] <mui> and require other things to get fixed that require motivation[16:22:20] <lewellyn> smrt: explain project[16:22:20] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[16:22:21] <smrt> A collection of features and/or bug fixes which is extensive enough to require its own implementation team, gate, and plans. Examples of projects are dtrace, Janus, and a port to a new hardware platform. Normal individual enhancements and bug fixes are self-contained and worked on by no more than one or two developers; these do not require the infrastructure associated with projects.[16:22:27] <lewellyn> bah[16:22:28] <TomJ> and what does "root caused" mean here?[16:22:32] *** wdp_aao_ has quit IRC[16:22:37] <lewellyn> that's not what i wanted[16:22:40] <effnorwood> TomJ: it means they know what the issue is[16:22:45] <lewellyn> TomJ: man project[16:22:47] <TomJ> oh just that, OK[16:23:19] *** cudgel has joined #opensolaris[16:23:36] <TomJ> lewellyn: hmm, I know about those projects - but I dont understand that in contet of the ZFS bug. how do projects store data so as to be mentioned alongside files and filesystems?[16:23:58] <TomJ> I thought it was just a configuratin file with a list of attributes[16:24:16] *** cheetr has joined #opensolaris[16:24:50] <effnorwood> TomJ: the crux of the bug is that if you zfs destroy a previously dedup filesystem, all the IO in the whole box hangs[16:25:05] <TomJ> effnorwood: sure I understand, I was just confused about "If files, file systems, and/or projects containing data"[16:25:10] <timsf> I think 'project' here is fishworks terminology[16:25:21] <TomJ> yeah i dont think it can mean the same thing[16:25:30] <TomJ> I think it's just fluff in the description[16:25:34] <TomJ> not important, just confused me a minute :)[16:25:41] <timsf> not fluff[16:25:50] <timsf> just not the sort of project you were thinking of[16:25:52] <lewellyn> and what's causing it[16:25:57] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[16:26:08] <TomJ> timsf: oh, so it does have a specific technical meaning? Can you explain?[16:26:08] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[16:26:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[16:26:30] <timsf> nope (not familiar with fishworks stuff, just seen the term bandied about)[16:27:10] <TomJ> ah ok I see, yeah it makes sense[16:27:18] <TomJ> I'd forgotten about this NAS app stuff[16:28:41] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[16:30:32] <johannes> how do i write an image to an usb stick so it can be booted? I only see instractions for doing that from windows, but i'm only running solaris ... is plain old dd enough?[16:31:38] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[16:31:53] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[16:32:31] <timsf> TomJ: I dug up what projects are wrt. fishworks: http://pastebin.com/NQ6NnQTx[16:32:51] <timsf> via the docs at http://wikis.sun.com/display/FishWorks/Documentation[16:33:41] <Stric> johannes: nope.[16:33:42] *** deet has quit IRC[16:33:46] <TomJ> ah thans tim[16:33:50] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[16:33:50] <timsf> np[16:34:13] <Stric> johannes: unless the image has been premastered to a fixed size etc..[16:34:48] *** swift has quit IRC[16:34:55] *** wdp_aao_ has joined #opensolaris[16:35:01] *** swift_ is now known as swift[16:35:18] <lewellyn> ok. is freenode done shitting itself? :P[16:36:53] <asyd> :)[16:36:55] *** sysspoof_ has quit IRC[16:37:01] <johannes> Stric: any alternative?[16:37:22] *** dajhorn has joined #opensolaris[16:37:47] <Stric> smrt: explain liveusb[16:37:48] <smrt> To make a Live USB version of OpenSolaris, you need a .usb image (genunix.org) and a way to put it on a USB drive. Usually, one uses http://src.opensolaris.org/source/raw/livemedia/livemedia/usbcopy (Solaris), http://chonan-en.blog.pid0.org/2009/11/how-to-create-opensolaris-live-usb.html (Unix/Mac), or http://devzone.sites.pid0.org/OpenSolaris/opensolaris-liveusb-creator (Win)[16:37:51] *** lateau_ has joined #opensolaris[16:37:52] <Stric> johannes: ^^[16:38:58] <johannes> thank[16:39:46] <johannes> s[16:39:47] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[16:39:49] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[16:40:30] *** bsdguru has joined #opensolaris[16:40:36] *** cheetr has left #opensolaris[16:40:39] *** lateau has quit IRC[16:40:59] <bsdguru> is there an easy way to figure out what the grub config is set to on an opensolaris box?[16:42:36] <Meths> look at /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst ?[16:42:51] <bsdguru> ufs root pastition[16:43:04] <bsdguru> got a grub> prompt[16:43:04] <InTheWings> pasta ?[16:43:17] <bsdguru> as soon as the OS boots I loose serial access to the chassis[16:43:17] *** ThePickle has quit IRC[16:43:33] <bsdguru> so trying to see from grub what's potting[16:44:21] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[16:45:40] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[16:52:44] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris[16:53:27] *** richb has joined #opensolaris[16:53:31] <lewellyn> bsdguru: opensolaris has zfs root[16:53:43] *** leito has quit IRC[16:54:03] <bsdguru> lewellyn: all my jumpstarts use ufs root and then zfs for the pools[16:54:32] <lewellyn> you don't jumpstart opensolaris[16:55:12] <lewellyn> since there's no more failsafe boot, boot off the livecd and poke around[16:55:27] <seanmcg> bsdguru, what version of 'opensolaris' do you think your using ?[16:55:33] <CIA-21> William.Johnston <William.Johnston at Sun dot Com>: 6901728 6736189 has broken the fix for 6175313[16:55:36] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[16:55:40] <bsdguru> snv_121[16:55:43] <lewellyn> seanmcg: i'm trying to not ask that ;)[16:56:14] <lewellyn> also, wtf. is it my mailer or mail.os.o that's malformatting my messages?[16:56:33] <lewellyn> Meths: does the email that hit sw-porters-discuss look the same as the one that hit your inbox?[16:56:50] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:57:31] <seanmcg> bsdguru, thats 'nevada' not opensolaris as we know it today. You're 13 builds == 26 weeks behind[16:57:37] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[16:57:55] *** stewart has quit IRC[16:58:21] <Meths> lewellyn: dunno, I appear to only have one copy at the moment. Will let you know.[16:58:57] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[16:59:04] <seanmcg> lewellyn, no harm to ask, it gets things moving.. (hopefully :)[17:00:18] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[17:00:56] *** Erwannc has joined #opensolaris[17:01:00] <Meths> hmm, actually mailman might be leaving me out as you've included me directly. *shrug*[17:01:03] *** Erwannc has quit IRC[17:01:12] *** Erwann has quit IRC[17:01:14] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[17:01:19] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[17:02:05] *** lateau_ has quit IRC[17:02:54] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[17:03:16] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:03:49] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[17:03:51] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[17:03:52] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[17:04:00] <lewellyn> Meths: the one i got from mailman was malformed :P[17:04:09] <Meths> lewellyn: The big list looks like a good idea as long as it is easy to maintain/use it'll be great. Need a column for repositry and maybe format if you were to include software in both SVR4 and IPS formats.[17:04:28] <lewellyn> yeah. i'm tempted to mock it up later this week[17:04:50] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[17:05:12] <Meths> lewellyn: Ah, well, I've got a few hexagon question marks so it's likely not formatted as you desired.[17:05:31] <lewellyn> bah.[17:05:43] <lewellyn> i knew i should have sent it as html mail :)[17:06:08] *** strato_ has quit IRC[17:06:33] <lewellyn> ok. running late. i'm done with irc for a bit! :D[17:07:28] <Spencer_tt> hmm I just woke up what's happening[17:07:42] <TommyTheKid> ats going on?[17:08:25] *** strato_ has joined #opensolaris[17:08:30] <Spencer_tt> seems like I missed nothing if dreams are anything to go by :p[17:08:35] *** j4cbo has joined #opensolaris[17:08:37] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[17:08:56] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[17:10:00] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[17:10:15] <j4cbo> is the exact meaning of the options to zfs's sharenfs option documented somewhere? in particular, 'root=' doesn't show up in share(1M)[17:10:49] <j4cbo> i have a bunch of zfs filesystems which are shared from a host to a vm with 'sec=sys,root=@<ip>,rw=@<ip>'[17:11:17] <j4cbo> i'd like to *also* share some of those filesystems to the world with sec=krb5p[17:11:47] <j4cbo> so sys authentication is accepted only from the VM's ip, and krb5p from anywhere else[17:11:59] <j4cbo> anyone know how i can do this?[17:12:23] <TomJ> man share_nfs explains the options[17:12:28] <seanmcg> zfs set sharenfs="root=...,sec=...." /path/to/share[17:12:29] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[17:14:20] <j4cbo> oh, i see: "Each sec= option specifies modes that apply to any subsequent window=, rw, ro, rw=, ro= and root= options that are provided before another sec=option."[17:14:54] <j4cbo> so "sec=sys,root=@<ip>,rw=@<ip>,sec=krb5p,rw" should do what i want?[17:15:38] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[17:17:12] *** achester has quit IRC[17:17:12] *** forquare has quit IRC[17:21:49] *** Twigathy has joined #opensolaris[17:21:59] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris[17:23:07] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[17:23:43] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[17:24:17] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[17:24:57] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[17:25:30] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[17:25:54] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris[17:26:52] *** wrapster has joined #opensolaris[17:27:10] <wrapster> in order to change the timezone which cmd or file has to be used>?[17:27:55] <wrapster> coz "#rtc" -->Asia/Kolkata ; and /etc/default/init has TZ=Australia/Victoria[17:27:57] <wrapster> im confused.[17:28:46] *** MattBenjamin has quit IRC[17:32:30] *** Stellar|2 has joined #opensolaris[17:33:00] *** MattBenjamin has joined #opensolaris[17:35:22] *** Stellar has quit IRC[17:35:30] <Gugge> my /etc/hostid has no hostid set, how do i generate one?[17:35:50] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[17:36:24] *** jonshea has quit IRC[17:36:45] *** jonshea has joined #opensolaris[17:38:16] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[17:38:46] *** |Inthewings| has joined #opensolaris[17:38:51] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[17:40:02] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[17:44:08] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[17:45:03] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[17:45:31] *** Macer has quit IRC[17:46:36] *** Andrew3 has joined #opensolaris[17:47:40] *** houst0n has left #opensolaris[17:49:43] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[17:50:44] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[17:52:27] *** wonko has quit IRC[17:52:52] *** wonko has joined #opensolaris[17:53:21] *** DataStream has joined #opensolaris[17:53:24] *** Macer has joined #opensolaris[17:53:47] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[17:54:51] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[17:55:54] <melbogia> Hello, can i turn on compression and zfs send/receive on the same filesystem to compress it? something like "zfs compression=on datapool/data; zfs send datapool/data | zfs receive -F datapool/data" ?[17:56:15] <melbogia> it seems i would be destroying the filesystem if I did that, but maybe I am wrong[17:56:50] *** Burana has quit IRC[17:57:41] *** mikefut has quit IRC[17:57:46] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[17:58:03] *** swift has quit IRC[17:58:10] *** swift_ is now known as swift[17:59:22] *** zenroom has quit IRC[18:01:01] *** zenroom has joined #opensolaris[18:01:47] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[18:02:21] *** dduvall has quit IRC[18:03:34] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[18:04:00] <Stric> melbogia: you want to send to a new filesystem[18:04:23] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[18:04:52] *** jonshea has left #opensolaris[18:05:05] <melbogia> Stric: thats what I thought. The problem is it's kind of big and if i ssend to a new filesystem I cannot do incremental sends to the another machine I have been doing. I guess I'll have to resend the whole thing after I compress it to a new filesystem?[18:05:24] <tsoome> melbogia: set compression on parent fs, then new created hierarchy should get it inherited from parent[18:06:05] <tsoome> thats in target pool obviously[18:06:23] <melbogia> I am also trying to compress it on the source machine[18:06:45] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[18:06:46] <melbogia> so there is no way to compress it on the source and continue doing incremental sends , is what it comes down to, right?[18:07:20] *** Stellar|2 has quit IRC[18:07:23] <tsoome> its determined by parent dataset on target[18:07:31] *** ravenslay3r has joined #opensolaris[18:07:44] <melbogia> parent dataset on target has compression on[18:07:52] <tsoome> if you wanna compress send stream, feed it into compress/gzip[18:08:17] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[18:08:19] <melbogia> no thats not what i am tryhing to do, I am trying to save space on the source machine[18:08:46] <Stric> melbogia: if you do send+recv on the source to get it compressed, the newly "created" dataset with snapshots should still be usable as incremental source for the target system[18:08:53] <tsoome> not just target, if you replace target dataset with zfs receive, you need to set compress on its parent, so if zfs receive will create new dataset, it can inherit it from parent[18:08:56] *** merzo has quit IRC[18:09:30] <Stric> but if you can't hold two copies of the dataset (or rather original+compressed), then you'll have to do things that will break incremental-send-ability without starting over[18:10:09] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:10:55] <melbogia> i created a new filesystem on the source with compression on and tried to zfs send incrementally to the target and I get this error "cannot receive incremental stream: most recent snapshot of datapool/data1 does not match incremental source"[18:11:18] <tsoome> you need to have common snaps on both[18:11:41] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[18:11:50] <melbogia> oh i see, so I should compress a snapshot on the source that was already sent to the target?[18:11:56] <Stric> if you create a new fs with snapshots, it will "break".. but if you zfs send+recv into a "new" one, it should work[18:12:39] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[18:13:16] <melbogia> I did zfs send+receive into a new filesystem[18:13:29] <melbogia> wiht compression=on on the new filesystem[18:14:00] *** Thijssss has quit IRC[18:14:01] *** Stellar has quit IRC[18:14:45] *** Thijssss has joined #opensolaris[18:20:06] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[18:20:38] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[18:21:21] *** gmarler has quit IRC[18:22:21] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[18:22:45] *** palowoda has quit IRC[18:23:47] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[18:25:19] *** megaTherion has joined #opensolaris[18:25:28] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[18:26:09] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[18:28:42] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[18:28:47] *** bigjohnto has joined #opensolaris[18:30:06] <bigjohnto> using ipf, i have rules setup to allow for ftp outgoing active/passive, but for some reason while transfering files it randomly craps out after uploading 5megs and the speed runs at 1MB/s, i have tried googling and trying various different firewall rules and nothing seems to help, has anyone else had this issue at all?[18:30:36] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[18:30:43] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[18:30:52] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[18:33:16] *** stathis has joined #opensolaris[18:34:03] <wrapster> anyone listening to my question?[18:34:11] <TomJ> there's audio?[18:34:42] <wrapster> TomJ: ok "anyone read my question" :)[18:35:07] <TomJ> wrapster: /etc/init/default & reboot[18:35:16] *** DataStream_ has joined #opensolaris[18:35:19] <TomJ> (there might be a way without rebooting, but not sure what)[18:35:30] *** Norrin has joined #opensolaris[18:35:32] *** DataStream has quit IRC[18:35:33] <TomJ> needs to be set inividually in each zone, if you have zones[18:35:55] <wrapster> you mean /etc/default/ini[18:35:56] <wrapster> init[18:36:01] <TomJ> er yes I do[18:36:02] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[18:36:20] <wrapster> TomJ: nope... i've tested it[18:36:38] <TomJ> well, so have I. works fine for me[18:36:43] *** Beket has quit IRC[18:36:43] *** milek_ has quit IRC[18:36:46] <TomJ> I have TZ=Asia/Calcutta on a bunch of machines[18:36:56] <wrapster> then why does "#rtc" give me "Asia/Kolkata[18:36:57] <wrapster> "[18:37:32] <TomJ> no idea. but date says the right one[18:37:41] <wrapster> hmm...[18:37:42] <TomJ> well does for me[18:37:47] *** leito has quit IRC[18:38:43] <wrapster> any idea about how i can set it without rebooting?[18:39:24] <TomJ> wrapster: I see the same thing, rtc reports a differnet time zone. at least when I do it in a zone. I thin that's because rtc queries the hardware clock, and doesn't pay attention to /etc/default/init[18:39:26] <TomJ> just a guess[18:39:38] <Stric> I believe the problem is that the TZ is an environment variable that's inherited in every process or so..[18:39:47] <Stric> and you can't modify anyone elses envs[18:40:13] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[18:41:09] <steven43126> anyone aware of any ruby bindings to libzfs ?[18:42:00] <steven43126> found http://dev.vnruby.org/rzfs via http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/rzfs/ but it seems dead[18:42:17] *** melbogia has quit IRC[18:42:36] *** disharmony has joined #opensolaris[18:43:57] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:45:00] <axisys> how do I turn on remote access ?[18:45:41] <Stric> push the monitor away and grab a stick[18:46:03] <axisys> there was a application that enable remote vnc[18:46:25] <Stric> you kinda forgot to say you wanted vnc access[18:46:32] <Stric> vino should do it[18:46:49] <axisys> Stric: there was an application in drop down menu in vnc[18:47:20] <axisys> something in gnome menu[18:48:33] * Stric tries to parse but fauls[18:48:36] <Stric> err. fails as well :)[18:48:38] *** ravenslay3r has left #opensolaris[18:48:44] <axisys> got it .. i think desktop sharing is that[18:48:47] <Stric> a drop down menu in vnc?[18:48:54] *** my007ms has joined #opensolaris[18:48:59] <my007ms> hello[18:49:08] <axisys> Stric: in gnome[18:49:20] *** heldchen has joined #opensolaris[18:49:22] <Stric> ah, yes.. then desktop sharing.. which is actually called "vino"[18:49:30] <axisys> Stric: oh ok[18:49:30] <Stric> (which I said a while back)[18:49:38] <axisys> Stric: you sure did[18:50:19] <my007ms> is there something like kickstart to do unattended operating system installation ?[18:50:26] <Stric> smrt: explain ai[18:50:27] <smrt> Automated Installer. You can use this approach to deploy OpenSolaris to multiple machines, or to headless machines. This technology is what you want if you are coming from Solaris 10 and are looking for Jumpstart/JET. This is the only supported installation method for 2009.06 and earlier on SPARC. See http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2009.06/AIinstall/ See also: text installer, bootable ai, bootable ai on sparc, bootable ai on x86[18:50:30] <Stric> my007ms: ^^[18:51:02] <jdoe> smrt: explain text installer[18:51:03] <smrt> OpenSolaris does not yet officially have a text installer. BUT, there's one coming. Read more at http://sparcv9.blogspot.com/2009/08/opensolaris-text-based-installer.html and http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/TextInstallerProject/ or download a build 134 prototype at http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+caiman/Text+Install+b134+Notes[18:51:09] <my007ms> Stric and i can do from USB flash too ?[18:51:28] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[18:51:39] <Stric> network install..[18:52:03] *** held has quit IRC[18:52:30] <my007ms> i was hope to boot from usb and auto-install the OS in the HDD[18:53:16] <Stric> then I think "no"[18:55:02] <my007ms> Stric one cd ?[18:55:21] <stathis> Someone please update topic, onnv-137 has been tagged[18:55:30] <CIA-21> Ali Bahrami <Ali.Bahrami at Sun dot COM>: 6941727 ld relocation cache memory use is excessive[18:55:43] *** pangu has joined #opensolaris[18:56:21] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[18:56:27] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[18:56:43] <stathis> hey even 138 has been tagged[18:56:51] <wrapster> TomJ: rtc picks up data from /etc/rtc_config[18:57:40] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[18:59:52] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[19:00:59] *** stathis is now known as Beket[19:01:13] *** hajma has quit IRC[19:02:41] *** stewart has quit IRC[19:04:37] <pangu> hey there, i am still using b134. Update manager says there is no update... is that right, or something going wrong? Can't figure out from the homepage...[19:07:23] <bsdguru> is there a nevada b134?[19:08:19] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[19:09:15] *** silas- has joined #opensolaris[19:09:38] <pangu> uname -a: SunOS pool 5.11 snv_134 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[19:11:09] *** blizzow has left #opensolaris[19:11:36] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[19:12:38] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[19:14:32] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[19:15:56] *** cnu has quit IRC[19:16:43] <bsdguru> pangu: did you bfu to get that?[19:17:24] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[19:18:06] <pangu> no, its just a "uname -a", as i stated[19:18:53] <Meths> trochej: The next ogb email is quite interesting too...[19:20:51] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[19:21:30] *** swift has quit IRC[19:22:11] <pangu> i got b134 through the standard update manager ... few weeks ago.[19:22:21] <pangu> isn't there a subsequent build yet?[19:22:26] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[19:22:53] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:23:57] *** leito_ has joined #opensolaris[19:24:06] *** leito has quit IRC[19:24:38] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[19:25:14] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[19:27:08] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[19:27:13] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[19:27:35] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[19:27:45] <dclarke> with regards to OpenSolaris(tm) : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/152[19:27:49] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:28:04] <dclarke> I expect that if people have a valid opinion then they can post responses[19:30:53] <Meths> dclarke: Do you know what the actual steps would be to get everything on genunix?[19:30:53] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[19:31:47] <dclarke> Meths: no[19:31:56] <dclarke> Meths: that would be why we are a *community*[19:32:10] <dclarke> Meths: step one is to get all hg/svn assets and tarballs there[19:34:43] <Meths> Do the genunix guys build all the ISOs on the frontpage or just host them for download?[19:35:19] <dclarke> they host them[19:35:26] <dclarke> BeleniX is from BeleniX[19:35:36] <dclarke> Fedora is from the Fedora project[19:35:44] <dclarke> Debian is from the Debian project[19:35:49] <dclarke> you can get them anywwhere[19:35:55] <Meths> Yeah, I meant the dev releases really[19:35:58] <dclarke> but they are not built at the mirror sites[19:36:06] <dclarke> those are from Sun[19:36:08] <dclarke> sorry Oracle[19:36:16] <dclarke> but you will note that there are none coming[19:36:19] <dclarke> none released[19:36:23] <dclarke> it has all stopped[19:36:30] <jamesd_laptop> the biggest problem with genunix, other than the host name which i think is owned by dennis or it was at one point, is the fact that the servers and connection is hosted by sun/oracle unless i'm confused.[19:36:36] <dclarke> anyone with their eyes open would have seen that[19:36:49] <Meths> The connection was ISC wasn't it?[19:36:49] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: its a community resource[19:36:52] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[19:36:57] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: always has been[19:37:10] <dclarke> the cluster came from Sun[19:37:14] <dclarke> hosted at ISC[19:37:18] <dclarke> admin by Al Hopper[19:37:23] <dclarke> Ben Rockwood also[19:37:26] <dclarke> its a community thing[19:37:29] <dclarke> always has been[19:37:30] <jamesd_laptop> dclarke, but as you well know, bandwidth and hosting costs money, and oracle is free to stop said support or at least change its constraints.[19:37:40] <dclarke> so what[19:37:49] <dclarke> its at ISC[19:37:54] <dclarke> it is not inside Oracle[19:38:22] <dclarke> this is : http://blastwave.network.com/stats/netstat_packets.png[19:38:27] <kohju> dclarke, hi (^-^)/~[19:38:34] <dclarke> that is inside Oracle and can vanish at any moment[19:38:51] *** phil_ has quit IRC[19:38:52] <dclarke> kohju: hello ![19:39:44] <dclarke> pardon me folks ... many things happening here[19:39:56] <kohju> Do you start to create the new opensolaris distribution? :)[19:40:09] <dclarke> kohju: no[19:40:12] <bigjohnto> anyone here use ipf that is willing to lend a helping hand[19:40:13] <dclarke> kohju: well yes and no[19:40:28] <dclarke> bigjohnto: depends on what you need to do[19:40:45] <dclarke> bigjohnto: you need to protect and ip and allow in just ssh or somethng like that ?[19:41:07] <kohju> :)[19:41:11] <jamesd_laptop> dclarke, what tool do you use to generate those graphs?[19:41:22] <dclarke> good ol gnuplot[19:41:26] <kohju> it sounds interesting :)[19:41:28] <dclarke> works fine every time[19:41:30] <bigjohnto> dclarke, I am using an ftp client to a ftp server on the outside world, i have a map for ftp proxy in ipnat, but when i transfer files, randomly the connection breaks while transfering the files. I am sure it is an ipnat problem but not 100% sure.[19:41:34] <dclarke> updates every ten minutes[19:41:54] <dclarke> randomly the connection breaks ? that is not an ipf problem[19:41:59] <jamesd_laptop> dclarke, any link on how to do it, i have never really used gnuplot[19:42:05] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[19:42:12] <dclarke> jamesd_laptop: in fact .. I have to backup that stuff and get it out of there[19:42:13] <bigjohnto> dclarke, i remove the map for the proxy, and then it is fine[19:42:28] <dclarke> bigjohnto: sorry .. I wish I knew that[19:42:42] <dclarke> bigjohnto: not veryhelpful .. post a mail to the sunmanagers list .. they are awesoem[19:42:45] <bigjohnto> dclarke, hmmm alright well this is sure driving me nuts[19:42:55] <bigjohnto> alright thanks[19:42:56] <dclarke> oh .. been there , got the meds[19:43:52] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[19:44:07] *** DataStream_ has quit IRC[19:44:35] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[19:44:56] <JeremyK> I have an x4500 which we're using as a backup machine for our mysql servers and we're having some issues with nfs performance. what kind of things can I look at to try to determine where the bottleneck is? I'm thinking I might need to throw an SSD in for zil, but would like to be able to confirm before I start chucking money at the situation :)[19:45:15] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[19:45:55] <tsoome> snoop rpc nfs and see if you have lots of sync writes[19:46:08] <tsoome> also get zilstat and look on op count[19:46:16] <tsoome> google: zilstat[19:46:29] <mui> I dont understand all this, osol is not coming shit, ppl tend to forget that there's happening possibly largest it corporation migration ever[19:47:01] <tsoome> mui its really not about migration[19:47:05] <joshua_> Emarhavil OpenSolaris[19:47:07] <JeremyK> tsoome: hrm, looks like I have a good mix of sync and async[19:47:11] <mui> and opensource products that dont keep cash flowing in are not in very high priority even for my opinion[19:47:20] <JeremyK> wonder if maybe switching to async nfs mounts would solve the problem.[19:47:30] <JeremyK> ip-10-176-3-166.y.sd.dreamhost.com -> butterfish.y.sd.dreamhost.com NFS R WRITE3 OK 4096 (DSYNC)[19:47:38] <JeremyK> I assume that's a sync write?[19:47:41] <tsoome> its oracles policy *not* to give any information out. if you have worked with sun people, this attitude is really pissing you off[19:47:46] <JeremyK> the async ones are obvious ;)[19:48:12] <tsoome> zil slog will speed up sync writes[19:48:21] <JeremyK> k[19:48:25] <tsoome> for async, it will have little effect[19:48:43] <JeremyK> that's good to know[19:48:57] <tsoome> as async writes are cached and optimized, but sync ones need to get on disk before you can tell ack, its written[19:49:05] <JeremyK> right[19:49:50] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[19:50:41] *** deet has quit IRC[19:50:45] <JeremyK> tsoome: thanks, that should get me started[19:50:50] *** dduvall has quit IRC[19:51:02] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[19:51:09] <JeremyK> and zfs won't use an SSD zil device any more than half what physical memory is?[19:51:17] *** dduvall has quit IRC[19:51:26] <JeremyK> our x4500s have 16GB of ram, and I've got 64GB ssds laying around heh[19:51:28] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[19:51:48] *** dduvall has quit IRC[19:52:13] <Stric> JeremyK: do you think you will have written 64GB before it has had a chance to put it onto disk?[19:52:37] *** phil_ has joined #opensolaris[19:52:42] <JeremyK> Stric: I've got 40 machines writing as fast as they can over gig nfs to the machine[19:52:52] <tsoome> also you may wanna look on tcp settings, window etc[19:52:57] <JeremyK> I'm not sure really, that's why I wanna profile things[19:53:20] <Stric> JeremyK: the zil isn't a normal write cache fyi.. it's an addition or whatchagonnacallit..[19:53:48] <tsoome> transaction log booster[19:53:48] <Stric> and it's pure write only.. nothing is read from it, unless the machine went bellyup and it needs to recover[19:54:01] <JeremyK> right[19:54:14] <JeremyK> 99% of what this machine does is write, not read :)[19:54:16] <tsoome> you have trans logs faster on safe side and can tell ack[19:54:32] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[19:54:48] <Stric> JeremyK: doesn't matter.. nothing at all is read from it.. not even when flushing stuff to the real storage[19:55:46] <JeremyK> Stric: really? that's ... odd... what's its purpose then? somewhere to shove the data in case of a power failure in order to respond more quickly to clients?[19:56:03] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:56:10] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:56:49] *** fedreric has quit IRC[19:56:51] <Stric> JeremyK: zfs usually deals with transactions, grouped up and written "every now and then".. but then someone comes along and says "I want this on stable storage _now_" .. so it writes it to the zil and puts it into the disk cache in ram as well.. if it goes bellyup at this point, then it can recover that "important" stuff from zil[19:57:12] <Stric> if it doesn't go bellyup, then the data will be written to regular stable storage at "every now and then"[19:57:30] <JeremyK> ahh ok[19:57:31] <Stric> that is, sync writes[19:57:37] *** Erwann has quit IRC[19:57:38] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[19:57:40] <JeremyK> that's why it doesn't affect async writes[19:57:45] <JeremyK> thank you[19:57:52] <Stric> data that was written async and in memory when it goes bellyup - tough.[19:58:11] <JeremyK> right[19:58:16] <JeremyK> that's fine with me[19:58:22] <JeremyK> these are just backups[19:58:26] <JeremyK> I'm gonna try async nfs mount option[19:58:33] *** DesiJat has joined #opensolaris[19:58:33] <effnorwood> JeremyK: read this - http://blog.laspina.ca/ubiquitous/running-zfs-over-nfs-as-a-vmware-store[19:58:35] <JeremyK> or will an application requesting a sync() still force that through?[19:58:44] <effnorwood> lots of good stuff there - appears down at the moment though[19:59:21] <JeremyK> they must be using my nfs server ;P[20:00:25] <effnorwood> JeremyK: well at least it's not core switching problems for you guys anymore right. :)[20:01:11] <JeremyK> I hope not :P[20:01:27] * effnorwood used to be a Dreamhost customer[20:04:09] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[20:04:34] <effnorwood> JeremyK: that blog is up now - check it out[20:07:42] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[20:08:00] *** cnu has joined #opensolaris[20:08:32] *** lblume has quit IRC[20:11:14] *** Reepicheep has joined #opensolaris[20:11:57] *** sipior has quit IRC[20:12:28] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[20:13:37] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[20:13:38] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[20:13:56] *** pangu has quit IRC[20:14:10] <JeremyK> effnorwood: yea, looking,thanks :D[20:14:38] <effnorwood> NP. I need to see if I can't paid for all the traffic I drive to Mike's site. :)[20:14:40] *** dama0 has quit IRC[20:14:47] <JeremyK> hehe[20:14:51] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[20:14:56] <JeremyK> yea, google found that one but I hadn't gotten to it yet[20:14:57] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[20:15:26] *** dama0 has joined #opensolaris[20:15:36] <JeremyK> so with my question, if I enable async mounts for this nfs stuff, will the client application requesting a sync() still pass that through the mount?[20:15:44] *** twilling has quit IRC[20:17:42] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[20:17:42] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[20:19:01] *** dalibor has quit IRC[20:19:41] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[20:20:21] <effnorwood> you mean, if you mount the clients async will the server still enforce a sync?[20:20:40] <JeremyK> no, will the server ever even get a sync?[20:21:01] <JeremyK> if the application writing to the async nfs mount is trying to use sync writes[20:22:42] *** alanc changes topic to "ON 137, IPS 134 (Release notes: http://bit.ly/d4N8N2 & x86 ISO torrent: http://bit.ly/9F12It ) | Docs: (READ THEM!) http://cli.gs/87t7SH | Sysadm Guide: http://cli.gs/54pBU9 | Linux->Solaris migrants: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html | Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ | 134 IS NOT 2010.03! We know 2010.03 is late. We don't know when it will be released. | We're not website-discuss"[20:22:50] <effnorwood> hmmm - Linux?[20:22:57] <JeremyK> yea, linux client[20:23:11] <effnorwood> ok - there is data on how the world works here - http://nfs.sourceforge.net/[20:23:16] <effnorwood> i don't recall off hand[20:23:19] <JeremyK> kk[20:23:47] <effnorwood> if you want to go into danger zone on OpenSolaris, disable the ZIL completely[20:23:51] * effnorwood did not just say that[20:24:15] <JeremyK> yea, I'm trying to avoid doing that, mostly because of the pain in the ass it is to do :P[20:24:27] <alanc> Beket: the ON number in the topic usually refers to the build available for download from http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ not the currently tagged build in hg - there's a week or two delay between the tagging and the release for testing and determining if any stopper fixes need to be pulled into the build branch before integration to the WOS[20:24:45] * alanc leaves for lunch[20:24:55] <Stric> it's trivial to do.. but if the server goes down during client writes, then you will have the wrong data on disk, but the client as received "all ok" from the server[20:25:13] <Stric> that is, corrupted data[20:25:15] *** DesiJat has quit IRC[20:25:21] <JeremyK> it's trivial to do, except for the whole remounting everything bit[20:26:39] *** lattera has quit IRC[20:30:20] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[20:31:50] *** fuku has joined #opensolaris[20:36:16] *** fOB has quit IRC[20:37:49] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:42:38] <effnorwood> JeremyK: you might also want to read this http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/test[20:44:30] *** psychicist has quit IRC[20:45:41] *** yarihm has quit IRC[20:46:26] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[20:53:49] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[20:55:25] <CIA-21> Stan Studzinski <Stan.Studzinski at Sun dot COM>: 6675738 KM_NOSLEEP may still try too hard for some allocations[20:55:38] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[20:57:33] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[20:57:48] *** astra-x has quit IRC[20:59:03] <hrist> aa 3jcK7sR1l.o[20:59:22] <hrist> mmm[20:59:40] <joshua_> alanc: vdiff failed -- what changed?[21:02:22] *** RoyKe has joined #opensolaris[21:03:20] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[21:03:22] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[21:04:09] *** Auralis has quit IRC[21:10:38] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[21:11:27] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris[21:12:45] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[21:13:46] *** gdamore has quit IRC[21:14:27] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[21:14:39] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[21:14:54] *** jfisc has quit IRC[21:15:01] *** jmcp has quit IRC[21:16:33] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[21:26:36] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[21:27:25] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[21:34:46] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[21:35:01] *** logic855 has quit IRC[21:35:48] <joshua_> hmm[21:35:56] *** DataStream has joined #opensolaris[21:36:00] <joshua_> I wish it were still possible to get an OSol support contract[21:36:01] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[21:36:21] * joshua_ has a bug that is causing him grief[21:36:22] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[21:36:29] *** kris__ has joined #opensolaris[21:38:01] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[21:39:48] *** melbogia has quit IRC[21:39:56] <lewellyn> have you filed it? ;)[21:40:11] *** kris__ has quit IRC[21:41:21] *** lewellyn changes topic to "ON 137, IPS 134 (Release notes: http://bit.ly/d4N8N2 & x86 ISO torrent: http://bit.ly/9F12It ) | Docs: (READ THEM!) http://cli.gs/87t7SH | Sysadm Guide: http://cli.gs/54pBU9 | Linux->Solaris migrants: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html | Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ | 134 IS NOT 2010.03! We know 2010.03 is late. We don't know when it will be released. | We're not ogb-discuss"[21:42:34] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[21:42:47] *** logic is now known as logic855[21:43:16] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[21:43:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[21:43:22] *** logic855 has left #opensolaris[21:43:40] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[21:44:02] *** wdp__ has quit IRC[21:44:21] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris[21:44:36] *** Odin- has quit IRC[21:45:04] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[21:45:33] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[21:45:51] <alanc> joshua_: vdiff? I don't know what that is[21:46:30] *** Auralis has quit IRC[21:46:56] *** lattera has quit IRC[21:49:00] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris[21:49:27] *** calzifer has quit IRC[21:49:39] <lewellyn> vimdiff maybe?[21:49:52] <alanc> not sure why he'd be asking me about that[21:50:40] <joshua_> alanc, visual diff[21:50:53] <alanc> not used it[21:50:53] <joshua_> lewellyn, your[21:50:54] <joshua_> er[21:50:56] <joshua_> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6939145[21:51:09] <joshua_> alanc, I mean, "my eyes cannot tell the difference between the old topic and then ew"[21:51:19] <alanc> oh, I bumped the ON version from 136 to 137[21:51:23] <joshua_> ah[21:51:33] <lewellyn> and mine was website -> ogb[21:51:37] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[21:52:26] <lewellyn> anyone here using two monitors? ;)[21:52:27] <joshua_> hmm, ok, nothing interesting in the changelog for us beyond the 'defensive mode' thing[21:53:11] * lewellyn is so glad to finally have compiz on this box[21:53:20] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[21:53:37] *** calzifer has joined #opensolaris[21:53:48] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[21:53:56] <lewellyn> now i just gotta get awn rebuilt with python 2.6 soon[21:54:04] <joshua_> compizzle fuzizzle[21:54:30] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[21:55:05] <alanc> lewellyn: I've got four monitors, but at the moment they're all on different computers - I have had two connected to the same one at various times[21:55:18] *** Auralis has quit IRC[21:55:28] <CIA-21> Sam Falkner <Sam.Falkner at Sun dot COM>: 6922286 directly mounting snapshots with NFSv3 fails[21:56:19] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris[21:56:42] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[21:58:35] *** ma3x has quit IRC[21:58:52] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[21:58:52] *** cudgel has quit IRC[21:59:32] *** sysspoof_ has joined #opensolaris[22:00:19] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[22:00:46] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[22:01:35] <hajma> Hi, is it possible to move a service to maintenance state manually, without breaking it first? TIA[22:01:45] *** twisti has quit IRC[22:02:00] <eviljames> hajma: move it -to- maintenance state?[22:02:05] <eviljames> hajma: as opposed to just disabling it?[22:02:27] *** phil_ has quit IRC[22:03:49] <hajma> eviljames: yes. I had a weird issue when a service was unable to recover from maintenance, but when I used the -v flag in svcadm clear it succeeded. So I'd like to try reproducing it.[22:04:40] <eviljames> hajma: interesting... was there good output from svcs -x as to why it was in maintenance?[22:04:53] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[22:06:03] <timsf> hajma: yes you can - svcadm mark maintenance <service>[22:08:02] <hajma> there was only that it was restarting too quickly, that's why I tried to use -v to learn more[22:08:42] *** e1kg has quit IRC[22:09:01] <hajma> timsf: thanks[22:09:08] *** lattera has quit IRC[22:09:38] <lewellyn> alanc: i'm just wondering how to get a stupid gnome panel to span monitors in twinview mode :P[22:09:52] <alanc> no clue there[22:10:26] <lewellyn> i'm tempted to file a bug as it's counter-intuitive at best and impossible at worst[22:11:04] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[22:12:50] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[22:14:06] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[22:14:18] *** merzo has quit IRC[22:14:52] *** darrenb has quit IRC[22:15:06] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[22:17:21] *** RoyKe has quit IRC[22:24:25] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:24:42] *** j4cbo has left #opensolaris[22:28:52] *** timsf has quit IRC[22:33:23] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[22:38:40] *** wilx has joined #opensolaris[22:39:02] <wilx> Hi, does OpenSolaris work inside VirtualBox?[22:39:34] <Beket> yes[22:39:34] <alanc> yes[22:40:33] *** 20QAAO48O has joined #opensolaris[22:40:38] <seanmcg> and the other way tooooooo[22:40:53] <wilx> Ok :)[22:40:53] *** gebi has quit IRC[22:41:03] *** yarihm has quit IRC[22:41:24] <Stric> that's why the "Get" thing linked from Opensolaris.com says that you can run it in virtualbox for instance[22:41:52] <alanc> even recursively - you can run opensolaris in virtualbox in opensolaris[22:42:14] <alanc> (though I'm not sure if you can run virtualbox in opensolaris in virtualbox)[22:42:26] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[22:42:32] <wilx> Heh.[22:42:47] *** samc has quit IRC[22:42:56] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[22:42:59] <lattera> alanc, I'm sure you can do a VM inside a VM, especially if you're not using hardware accelleration[22:43:10] <wilx> What is the smallest disk I need to install minimal OpenSolaris + GCC?[22:43:14] <wilx> Roughly.[22:43:24] <seanmcg> it would be a tad slow though.. vm in opensolaris in vm[22:44:31] <hajma> wilx: afaik there is no such thing as minimal OpenSolaris, at least for the CD installer.[22:44:55] <wilx> Heh, how big is that then?[22:45:06] <wilx> I mean, how big image am I supposed to prepare for it?[22:45:50] <hajma> if I remember correctly ~4 GB should be enough. but it won't leave you much space for breathing[22:45:53] <Kapsel> any dtrace experts in here? Someone on the cifs-discuss ml pointed me towards dtrace in some debugging, and I need help, heh. see this post: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cifs-discuss/2010-April/002966.html[22:46:57] *** Tiggar_ has joined #opensolaris[22:47:33] *** darrenb has quit IRC[22:48:17] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[22:49:12] <seanmcg> Kapsel, there is #dtrace channel too[22:49:45] <Kapsel> oh, neat. But I'll most likely just get pointed to some huge manual or tutorial, I guess.[22:50:23] <lewellyn> alanc: you can[22:50:44] <alanc> scary[22:51:12] <Spencer_tt> sounds rad[22:51:17] <alanc> like holding a handmirror up to your bathroom mirror to see how far you can see down the recursion tunnel[22:51:22] <lewellyn> you can have an osol host with vbox running hardware-accelerate osol with vbox running software mode osol :)[22:51:40] <lewellyn> i don't recommend it, but it makes one hell of a screenshot![22:51:52] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[22:52:14] <lewellyn> (for added fun, rdp to a windows server with recursive rdp from there, in the second guest)[22:52:34] <RoyK^> lewellyn: vbox on osol? stable?[22:53:22] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: and forward all screens to multiple monitors[22:54:02] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[22:54:06] <RoyK^> lewellyn: I've had so much fuckups with osol+vbox you don't want to know it - this was on 111, though[22:54:28] <Meths> RoyK^: Have you had a chance to try 134 yet?[22:54:33] <hajma> and place some mirrors in front of the monitors for increased spectacularity[22:55:24] <RoyK^> Meths: will soon[22:55:25] <Spencer_tt> hajma: add cameras and energy saving lights or halogen floodlights[22:55:52] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[22:56:25] <RoyK^> Meths: just need to move the RDBMS out of there - currently a slow, low-memory ubuntu box do the VMs far better, and if 134 doesn't play, it'll go down the drain[22:56:39] <Spencer_tt> a rheostat should help if the light gets too bright :p[22:56:52] *** jfisc has quit IRC[22:57:10] <RoyK^> rheowhat?[22:57:30] <Spencer_tt> variable resistor or a dimmer for lights ;)[22:58:08] <RoyK^> won't help a faulty server, I'm afraid[22:58:16] <Tiggar_> Hi there! What version of OpenSolaris can be safely used for a home nas?[22:58:44] <RoyK^> I think 134 should be safe for that[22:59:02] <RoyK^> or the old 111[22:59:42] <Tiggar_> RoyK^: Tried 134 on my freshly build nas but disks wheren't recognized. Installer stuck at Disk searching.[22:59:51] <Tiggar_> So I thought I'd better ask.[23:00:01] <RoyK^> wierd[23:00:18] <RoyK^> I've upgraded from 111 to 134 without problems[23:00:21] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i learnt a bit ago that i can have a full-screen guest on each screen and seamlessly mouse between them. that's VERY convenient :D[23:00:34] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[23:00:49] <Tiggar_> pfexec format on the command line doesn't come back ... just printed "Searching for disks ..." and never came back.[23:01:19] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: oh I have eight desktops on gdm :)[23:01:26] <Tiggar_> Maybe I have to say that I bootet from a USB-Stick.[23:01:52] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: if it's not convenient enough there's always a work around :)[23:02:31] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[23:03:15] <datadigger> Tiggar_: pfexec devfsadm -Cv ; pfexec devfsadm -v If that doesn't work, do a reconfigure boot ( pfexec touch /reconfigure or the -r kernel boot flag )[23:03:30] <Tiggar_> Is there a way to check the hard drives work properly from the live cd?[23:03:38] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: you have gdm on multiple screens? how?[23:03:42] <datadigger> Tiggar_: And then there is pfexec rmformat[23:03:56] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: it's annoying having the second screen black :([23:04:27] <Spencer_tt> well you can use gdmflexiserver on linux or bsd for instance[23:05:14] * lewellyn looks blankly[23:05:46] <Spencer_tt> the idle black and blank screens can be put to good use just by typing gdmflexiserver or in my instance I just configure gnome desktop to have eight desktops instead of the default[23:06:13] <lewellyn> i'm using twinview. things work right once i log in[23:06:35] <Tiggar_> datadigger: did that, but no success "pfexec rmformat" just tells me "Looking for devices..." since a couple of minutes[23:07:00] <Spencer_tt> maybe I'll try that when I use a external monitor - the one on my machine is large enough for most undertakings[23:07:20] *** Beket has quit IRC[23:07:42] <Tiggar_> Damn, thats a bad start for my OpenSolaris FirstTime Installation ;-)[23:08:23] <Tiggar_> Still looking for devices ...[23:08:27] <lewellyn> Tiggar_: where are you typing this? on the livecd?[23:08:35] <Tiggar_> Sure.[23:08:56] * lewellyn can't say he's ever tried that[23:08:57] *** fuku has left #opensolaris[23:09:05] <lewellyn> oh yes i have![23:09:09] <lewellyn> it works :P[23:09:45] * lewellyn goes to have lunch[23:11:42] *** mlisok_ has joined #opensolaris[23:11:56] <Tiggar_> lewellyn: That wasn't nice. But anyway. Have a good lunch![23:12:18] <lewellyn> Tiggar_: well it did the last time i tried. which was like b126. so i dunno :([23:12:26] * Spencer_tt will be sticking to 127-131 for a while :p and testing the more recent builds randomly.[23:13:03] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: have a good lunch :p[23:13:27] <mlisok_> Hello. Is there a way to install a SUNWluzone package without having Solaris DVD .iso?[23:13:40] <Tiggar_> Maybe it's because the hardware is to new. I have some Atom D510.[23:14:04] <Tiggar_> Or its because OS doesn't like to be installed from a usb stick.[23:14:20] *** lattera has quit IRC[23:15:44] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[23:16:03] <palowoda> Tiggar_: I'm surprised you got that far with a D510 as the intel graphics driver isn't supported on opensolaris.[23:16:40] <sickness> dell D510 ?[23:16:48] <sickness> I've one and it works like a charm with opensolaris :)[23:16:49] <jaywalk> Tiggar_: ive installed osol from usb sticks quite a few times. works fine[23:16:59] <jaywalk> sickness: no, intel atom d510 :)[23:17:02] <palowoda> A intel 3150 graphics chip?[23:17:13] <sickness> jaywalk: oh =)[23:17:32] <Tiggar_> palowoda: No problem with graphics yet.[23:17:48] <Tiggar_> palowoda: have a running xorg and gnome here.[23:18:04] <palowoda> Tiggar_: Interesting some have complained about that chipset.[23:18:36] <Tiggar_> Maybe it depends on the motherboard and the rest of the chipset?[23:18:56] <palowoda> The 510 is really now so.[23:19:00] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[23:19:28] <palowoda> I'm waiting for someone to report on a generic 510 Intel rig.[23:20:04] <Tiggar_> palowoda: But I have problems getting OpenSolaris the hard drives recognized.[23:20:54] <palowoda> Tiggar_: Is this the type of motherboard http://www.mini-box.com/D510MO-mini-ITX-Intel[23:21:39] *** robo has quit IRC[23:23:25] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[23:24:32] <Tiggar_> palowoda: It's this one: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p640913[23:24:34] *** andersenep has quit IRC[23:25:28] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[23:25:29] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[23:27:31] <palowoda> Tiggar_: So the issue is just the usb stick install?[23:28:17] <palowoda> Tiggar_: I'm assuming you did get opensolaris installed from the livecd.[23:29:12] <Tiggar_> palowoda: No, the problem is, that I have no built in cd/dvd drive and no usb-drive to test it the normal way.[23:30:01] <palowoda> Bummer.[23:31:17] <palowoda> You could have a corrupted usb image or there really is a problem with usb boot with this model of motherboard.[23:31:43] <Tiggar_> palowoda: Oh wait. I plugged two out of 3 disks out and now it recoginzes one disk[23:31:45] <palowoda> I doubt the usb drivers have changed much.[23:33:51] <palowoda> You could have a disk issue. But I'm interested if you get at least build 134 installed and functional on this motherboard.[23:34:22] <palowoda> It's very close to the Intel version.[23:35:13] <Tiggar_> currently installing[23:36:08] <palowoda> Good, your the first person I've seen trying to bring up a D510 with opensolaris.[23:36:11] *** leito_ has quit IRC[23:37:27] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[23:37:57] *** merzo has quit IRC[23:39:29] *** DataStream has quit IRC[23:41:36] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[23:43:16] *** jfisc has quit IRC[23:43:16] <palowoda> Tiggar_: In fact that Gigabyte D510 has specifications so close to the OEM version of Intel's D510 motherboard it looks good it you get the base opensolaris installed. This would make a great firewall.[23:43:33] *** strato_ has quit IRC[23:43:49] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[23:43:55] *** ThePickle has quit IRC[23:43:55] <Tiggar_> 43%[23:44:07] <Tiggar_> Should be done in 15 Minutes.[23:44:14] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[23:45:02] <palowoda> Tiggar_: Are you installing build 134 opensolaris?[23:45:25] <Tiggar_> Yes.[23:45:33] *** strato_ has joined #opensolaris[23:45:49] <palowoda> Good if this works I'm going for the generic Intel board I've mentioned.[23:46:20] *** falconn19 has joined #opensolaris[23:46:39] <palowoda> I really need to keep my power requirements down on the firewall.[23:46:47] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[23:47:03] *** bigjohnto has quit IRC[23:48:19] <palowoda> Not that Oracle could sell a firewall, their marketing and sales are total dumbshits when it comes to that.[23:50:18] <strato_> dose someone know what svc:/system/xvm/vnc-config:default dose[23:52:14] *** freitas has left #opensolaris[23:52:39] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[23:54:37] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[23:55:28] <Meths> palowoda: you're building a dedicated firewall on osol?[23:55:48] <palowoda> With crossbow yes.[23:55:49] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[23:56:47] <CIA-21> Stan Studzinski <Stan.Studzinski at Sun dot COM>: 6675738 KM_NOSLEEP may still try too hard for some allocations (fix lint)[23:57:00] <jamesd_laptop> most hard core solaris admins would prefer a hardware firewall so they can deal with the server and not worry about firewall crap.. adding ip aliases can be bad enough complicating it with firewall rules can be a pain and every change then requires a full CR as well...[23:57:02] <palowoda> I want conformation that the generic D510 works with the realtek ethernet driver.[23:58:13] <palowoda> jamesd_laptop: Good, than Oracle sales reps can recommend the hardware firewall for me. Which they cannot.[23:59:13] <jamesd_laptop> just pick your favorite network vendor, cisco, juniper, etc... oracle doesn't do network switches, WAP, routers either..