April 12, 2010 
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Well, I'm officially now installing OpenSolaris on one of my server boxes, not just inside a virtualbox. heh[01:36:55] <strato> goot luck[01:36:58] <strato> good luck[01:37:12] <Psi-Jack> hehe[01:37:36] <Psi-Jack> Yeap. Definitely going all in getting my hands dirty now. ;)[01:38:18] <Psi-Jack> Want to play with this Crossbow and Zones stuff. That's exactly the kind of things I was looking for. :)[01:39:18] <strato> zones are cool[01:39:35] <strato> I have a couple of DBs runnning in different zones in one server[01:39:41] <Psi-Jack> Is there actually any potential reason I shouldn't just use the whole disk, and setup partitions, or does it really even matter in OpenSolaris?[01:39:58] <strato> no it dosen't matter[01:40:02] <CodeWar> what is your server btw[01:40:27] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I plan to run 2 Debian zones for a load balanced webserer, and a couple database servers in other zones.[01:40:27] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[01:40:54] <strato> I am running a couple of custom Apps[01:40:56] <strato> and it is also a File server[01:41:51] <Psi-Jack> hehe, If this works as well as I hope, I'll gain more knowledge of Unix. ;)[01:42:05] <Psi-Jack> Been sooooo long since I actually used a real Unix other than OSX. heh[01:43:49] *** ampex has joined #opensolaris[01:48:51] *** psychicist has quit IRC[01:52:39] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty! Now booting new OpenSolaris. ;)[01:54:27] <strato> :)[01:54:38] <strato> and is everything fine?[01:54:44] <Psi-Jack> Takes a little longer than I'd suspect to actually boot up, but yes, so far so good.[01:54:59] <jmcp> Psi-Jack: just so you know you can't boot from an EFI-labelled disk - which is the label type that ZFS will use by default if you give it a wholedisk to use[01:54:59] <Psi-Jack> About to setup manual network since my DMZ zone doesn't have DHCP. ;)[01:55:17] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[01:55:20] <Psi-Jack> jmcp: Hmmm. Well.. It booted. ;)[01:55:33] <jmcp> perhaps the installer has more smarts in it :-)[01:55:37] <Psi-Jack> Hehe[01:56:00] <jmcp> anyways, for your non-boot disks, if you create a pool with, eg, zpool create newpool c1t0d0 (rather than c1t0d0s0) then you'll see the label type as EFI[01:56:02] * jmcp shrugs[01:58:16] <strato> it is important to at least mirror your disks[01:58:24] <strato> in order auto data recovery to work[02:00:30] *** wdp_mob has joined #opensolaris[02:01:33] <Psi-Jack> Yay. Network connectivity. :)[02:01:53] *** Bateau has quit IRC[02:02:22] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[02:03:26] *** wdp_mob has quit IRC[02:03:44] <strato> have fun[02:03:46] <strato> good nght[02:03:53] *** wdp_mob has joined #opensolaris[02:04:11] *** jt has quit IRC[02:09:18] *** syamajala has quit IRC[02:10:10] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[02:11:20] *** relling has quit IRC[02:13:53] <CodeWar> crap they re selling netbooks for 99 bucks now .. so much for mobile thin clients[02:15:23] <Andys^> URL?[02:16:10] <CodeWar> http://www.eglobalwireless.com/p-4333-new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd.aspx?gclid=CLKq7YLw_6ACFRlRagod9ilGuQ[02:16:11] *** wdp_mob has quit IRC[02:16:17] <CodeWar> sounds dubious though ..[02:26:23] *** ttys0_ has joined #opensolaris[02:29:18] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[02:30:11] *** winstonw has quit IRC[02:30:19] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[02:31:47] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[02:32:20] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[02:33:26] *** dalibor has quit IRC[02:33:47] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[02:36:04] *** ttys0_ is now known as ttys0[02:37:23] *** rmorse has quit IRC[02:41:11] <nachox> evening people[02:41:22] <richlowe> the best kind of people.[02:42:44] *** icarus901 has joined #opensolaris[02:43:01] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[02:43:34] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[02:48:44] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[02:49:35] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[02:55:02] *** eviljames has quit IRC[02:55:43] <CIA-21> Hyon Kim <Hyon.Kim at Sun dot COM>:[02:55:43] <CIA-21> PSARC/2009/019 SAS Management Protocol library, 6791689 need a userland mechanism for access to smp(7D) targets, 6901865 need to enumerate SAS expanders in storage enclosures, 6927621 need to enumerate receptacles around SAS expanders in storage enclosures, 6927623 need representation of SAS HBA receptacles in topo tree, 6934815 should add scsi-device and smp-device nodes beneath hba/iport nodes in topology, 6791643 libses needs to link with libumem, 679164[02:56:19] <Andys^> woo, Expanders getting some love[02:56:42] <CIA-21> should support FRUID page, 6905410 memory handling problems in libfruraw and libnvfru, 6905409 use after free in libfruraw fru_close_container()[02:57:44] *** tosh has quit IRC[03:01:51] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[03:06:36] <Psi-Jack> Well, so far, I figured out how to enable basic ipv4 forwarding and routing.[03:06:39] <Psi-Jack> LOL[03:10:43] *** jerlique has quit IRC[03:11:08] *** Thrae has quit IRC[03:13:10] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris[03:15:02] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[03:20:10] *** zynox has quit IRC[03:21:40] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[03:22:29] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[03:22:45] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[03:44:33] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[03:44:36] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[03:47:43] *** jthunder has quit IRC[03:49:09] *** bklang has quit IRC[03:50:32] *** sstallion has quit IRC[03:50:43] *** sstallion_ has joined #opensolaris[03:50:46] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[03:50:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sstallion[03:50:56] <sstallion> evening all[03:52:03] *** PMT has quit IRC[03:52:09] *** gm152 has quit IRC[03:56:59] *** chendy has quit IRC[03:58:53] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:01:12] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[04:02:41] *** `brandon` has joined #opensolaris[04:02:48] <`brandon`> does opensolaris support wireless?[04:02:56] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[04:03:12] *** sstallion has quit IRC[04:05:31] *** fleyta has joined #opensolaris[04:05:42] <fleyta> !seen gdamore[04:06:18] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[04:06:19] <sergiusens> `brandon`: yes, depends on chipset and it is somewhat limited to non enterprise when talking about security.[04:07:15] <fleyta> jmcp: Are you available?[04:07:19] *** chendy has quit IRC[04:07:21] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[04:07:43] <`brandon`> i see.[04:08:53] <`brandon`> okay[04:08:57] <`brandon`> thank-you[04:09:18] *** `brandon` has quit IRC[04:09:46] <CodeWar> what option passed to cc/CC shows the compiler version (12.1) cc -V seems to provide the OS version . nothing in cc -flags seems to hint at this either[04:13:55] *** fleyta has quit IRC[04:19:30] *** Amse has joined #opensolaris[04:21:47] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[04:24:45] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[04:25:22] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[04:26:49] *** chendy has quit IRC[04:26:56] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[04:29:57] *** lateau has quit IRC[04:30:17] <CodeWar> taemun, nope[04:30:44] <taemun> # cc --version[04:30:45] <taemun> cc (GCC) 3.4.3 (csl-sol210-3_4-20050802)[04:30:51] <taemun> and another few lines[04:31:26] <ampex> taemun: 3.4.3 is the compiler version[04:31:49] <ampex> gcc version 3.4.3[04:31:50] <taemun> he asked for the compiler version @ ampex[04:31:56] <mrp> my osol machine does not give my dhcp server a hostname? why would this be?[04:32:00] <taemun> "what option.... shows the compiler version"[04:33:12] <ampex> mrp: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=262527[04:33:15] <ampex> mrp: a quick google[04:33:31] <ampex> The DHCP client does have the[04:33:32] <ampex> ability to request a hostname, if one is present in /etc/hostname.<if>[04:33:32] <ampex> (see REQUEST_HOSTNAME in /etc/default/dhcpagent)[04:34:00] <zedrich> hi all - if i install 111b as well as all the updates, is that anywhere close to the latest dev snap?[04:34:40] <ttys0> zedrich: why not just start with the snv_134 iso[04:34:50] <zedrich> ttys0: requires torrent right[04:34:58] <ttys0> zedrich: ummm ... no[04:35:11] <zedrich> thats what is in he topic :/[04:35:12] <zedrich> for ISO[04:35:21] <ttys0> zedrich: genunix.org[04:35:37] <zedrich> hrm[04:35:40] <zedrich> this is the same thing?[04:35:48] <ttys0> same thing as what?[04:35:54] <zedrich> opensolaris.org ISOs[04:36:25] <zedrich> i see now[04:36:28] <ttys0> yes, if you get the OpenSolaris iso ... genunix has isos for many other variants as well[04:36:38] <zedrich> thanks for the pointer - guys in here can be completely unhelpful[04:40:26] <modify> man AI is a pita[04:41:38] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[04:44:36] *** Odin- has quit IRC[04:47:35] *** Amse has quit IRC[04:50:14] *** LadyKitty has quit IRC[04:52:00] <axisys> prstat -s rss shows 65% mem usage by this one process and pollsys is 256158626347 ns for a quick sampling[04:52:21] <axisys> what is it meant when pollsys is so high[04:52:27] <axisys> network issue ?[04:52:39] <axisys> the process is ncserver[04:52:43] <axisys> netcool app[04:55:07] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[04:55:35] <CIA-21> Zhao Edgar Liu - Sun Microsystems <Edgar.Liu at Sun dot COM>: 6940074 The internal speaker in Toshiba NB205-N210 is not silent when headphones are attached[04:56:34] *** webar7 has joined #opensolaris[04:58:43] <axisys> i guess it is doing pollsys to get gtime[05:03:54] *** p3rror has quit IRC[05:04:04] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[05:04:13] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[05:04:14] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[05:06:37] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[05:08:31] <webar7> how long should it take "zfs upgrade somesmallemptyfs" to complete?[05:09:11] <webar7> and can I do "zfs upgrade -r rootpoolofeverything" on a working system?[05:10:33] <webar7> like "zfs upgrade tank/userhomes" while the fs is being used?[05:12:16] <webar7> does "zfs upgrade" require an umount of the filesystem?[05:12:38] <webar7> or does it just do umount -u style update ...[05:13:31] <webar7> if I can't upgrade the fs that "/" is on can I do "/usr" ?[05:15:25] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:19:24] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[05:21:20] *** relling has quit IRC[05:22:29] <jamesd2> webar7, usually less than 1 or 2 seconds per filesystem... not sure if upgrade supports -r .. but give it a try.. its online and done quickly[05:23:00] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[05:23:40] <webar7> hmm ok thanks ... having trouble with tank/usr[05:23:43] <webar7> cheers[05:24:44] *** corretico has quit IRC[05:25:25] *** corretico has joined #opensolaris[05:26:07] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[05:35:35] *** gabo has quit IRC[05:43:25] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[05:51:39] *** nachox has quit IRC[05:52:53] <modify> its sad when debian is easier then solaris to install on sparc.. how things have turned around..[05:54:14] *** tindasz has joined #opensolaris[05:54:27] <tindasz> hi all[05:54:29] <tindasz> :)[05:54:56] <tindasz> need a help about AMP in solaris[05:55:01] <tindasz> my php cannot running[05:55:29] <CIA-21> Yong-Feng Du <Yongfeng.Du at Sun dot COM>: 6846565 mpt_sas implementation of WWID breaks existing ok2rm LED functionality[05:56:16] *** MrHeavy_ has quit IRC[05:57:37] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[05:58:52] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[05:59:22] *** farsan_ has quit IRC[06:00:58] <echobinary> I am still waiting for online raidz expansion (i.e. - adding a hdd to a raidz set w/o destroying it first)[06:01:20] *** steleman has joined #opensolaris[06:02:47] *** edude03 has quit IRC[06:03:42] *** farsan has joined #opensolaris[06:04:17] <taemun> echobinary: thats block point rewrite[06:04:30] <echobinary> yes I know[06:04:35] <echobinary> I've read all about it[06:04:37] <tindasz> any information for my issue[06:04:38] <tindasz> ?[06:04:54] <taemun> tindasz: this is #opensolaris, try #solaris[06:04:55] <echobinary> I don't even know what your issue is, I just sat down - I was just rambling[06:04:56] *** relling has quit IRC[06:05:11] <tindasz> sorry i mean opensolaris[06:05:50] <tindasz> my php not runnung at opensolaris[06:06:05] <tindasz> but the module already add in httpd.conf[06:06:14] <echobinary> is apache running?[06:06:22] <tindasz> yes[06:06:27] <tindasz> running well[06:06:32] <tindasz> just php not running[06:06:39] <echobinary> are the file extensions for php in the httpd.conf?[06:06:44] <tindasz> already[06:06:50] <echobinary> i.e. - does apache know what do to with a .php file?[06:07:14] <echobinary> have you tested your php and httpd.conf config files for errors?[06:07:34] <echobinary> what happens when you point your webserver to a php file?[06:07:39] <tindasz> blank[06:07:44] <tindasz> not shown php result[06:07:50] <echobinary> blank?[06:07:54] <echobinary> odd[06:08:14] <tindasz> yes blank web page[06:08:18] <echobinary> I would think that it would ask you to download the file or give you a runtime or configuration error if it easnt working properly[06:08:27] <echobinary> are you sure your php code is good?[06:08:35] <echobinary> have you tried a "hello world"?[06:09:22] <lblume> What about looking at the logs?[06:09:25] <echobinary> that's about all I can do for ya - im not much of an opensolaris guy myself - im still learning - and I generally only use onensolaris as a file server[06:09:31] <echobinary> ther eyou go - try the logs[06:10:13] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[06:10:39] <tindasz> logs[06:11:35] *** steleman has left #opensolaris[06:12:13] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[06:15:15] <mrp> does anyone have any recommendations on backing up certian filesystems to USB harddrive in osol?[06:15:39] <mrp> would rsync be ok or should i use another method>[06:15:41] * Spencer_tt distrusts php 100%[06:16:08] <Andys^> mrp: you could also use ZFS send/receive[06:16:38] <tindasz> Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache][06:16:39] <tindasz> [Mon Apr 12 10:49:06 2010] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest authentication ...[06:16:39] <tindasz> [Mon Apr 12 10:49:06 2010] [notice] Digest: done[06:16:39] <tindasz> [Mon Apr 12 10:49:07 2010] [notice] Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8a DAV/2 PHP/5.2.9 configured -- resuming normal operations[06:20:53] <lblume> What about PHP logs?[06:27:49] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[06:32:22] <tindasz> that's the log i found it[06:32:23] <echobinary> Spencer_tt: why?[06:32:42] <tindasz> lblume: that's log from http error log[06:35:55] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:36:51] <lewellyn> tindasz: that says php is running[06:37:02] <lewellyn> do your scripts start with <? or <?php[06:38:32] <tindasz> yes[06:38:39] <tindasz> this my sample script[06:38:43] <tindasz> <? phpinfo(); ?>[06:39:19] <lewellyn> short tags are disabled[06:40:01] <lewellyn> short tags cause more problems than they're worth :P[06:40:08] <lewellyn> <?php phpinfo(); ?>[06:40:11] <lewellyn> does that work?[06:43:16] <lewellyn> (note that short tags make it impossible to ouptut an xml document sanely, which is why almost everyone has them off by default these days)[06:46:15] <devians[w]> friggin short tags[06:46:20] <devians[w]> in fact, that reminds me[06:47:35] *** gm152 has quit IRC[06:47:52] <Psi-Jack> heh[06:47:59] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty. :)[06:48:49] <lewellyn> also, note that short tags are deprecated, which tends to mean "they're going away some day, start moving your code away from them!"[06:49:01] * lewellyn fears he scared tindasz off though[06:49:26] <lewellyn> seeing as how he's quiet in here and didn't ask ##php :)[06:50:13] <Psi-Jack> heh[06:50:37] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Well, I'm going to start playing with routing capabilities with osolaris tonight.[06:50:43] <lewellyn> have fun :)[06:50:53] <Psi-Jack> Unhooking my secondary redundant firewall/router, and putting it onto my osolaris box. ;)[06:50:57] * lewellyn is building openssl 1.0.0 a shitload of times[06:51:06] <Psi-Jack> lol[06:51:16] <lewellyn> their default CFLAGS suck btw[06:51:25] <lewellyn> cc: Warning: -xarch=v8plus is deprecated, use -m32 -xarch=sparc instead[06:51:45] <Psi-Jack> Do I need to use anything like ipf for the equivalent of IP Masquerading of Linux, with OpenSolaris's router:default?[06:52:05] <Psi-Jack> or just ipv4_forwarding, default:router, and such?[06:52:08] <lewellyn> it all depends on what you need[06:52:13] <lewellyn> there are good docs ;)[06:52:21] <Psi-Jack> I want the basics, first.[06:52:37] <Psi-Jack> I want one computer to use the osol box for it's gateway.[06:52:52] <lewellyn> then the basic config in the docs should be fine :)[06:52:53] <Psi-Jack> Then I want to start working up on Crossbow and Zones, stuff. ;)[06:53:14] *** nitrile_ has quit IRC[06:54:17] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: Where's the docs I;d need for the basics? ;)[06:55:01] <lewellyn> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3000/gcvjj?l=en&a=view&q=ip+forwarding[06:55:11] <Spencer_tt> echelog: SQL injection for Lamp servers I'm sure someone will right a book on this for people dependent on Zend and accompanying kit[06:55:23] <Psi-Jack> Cool.[06:55:40] <Psi-Jack> Heh, this covers RIP/IGP methods, eh?[06:55:51] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: why are you talking to a bot?[06:56:11] <Spencer_tt> in truth I would have to write a short essay on why I don't like php[06:56:19] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: nope :)[06:56:22] <Psi-Jack> Maybe it is a bot. ;)[06:56:27] <lewellyn> echelog is, yes[06:56:39] <Psi-Jack> Maybe Spencer_tt is a bot too. ;)[06:56:42] <lewellyn> http://echelog.matzon.dk/[06:56:54] <Spencer_tt> <--- das bot[06:57:14] <Psi-Jack> With some minimal Artificial Inteligence.[06:57:36] <Spencer_tt> I prefer no AI if possible.[06:58:34] *** leito has quit IRC[06:58:39] *** leito_ has joined #opensolaris[07:02:05] *** silas- has joined #opensolaris[07:02:07] *** leito_ has quit IRC[07:02:27] <tindasz> @lewellyn: it's work using <?php phpinfo(); ?>[07:03:49] *** leito_ has joined #opensolaris[07:03:58] <lewellyn> tindasz: then you can do one of two things: 1) you can fix your code to be more future-proof by using <?php instead of <?; 2) you can enable short tags[07:04:10] <lewellyn> http://www.php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.short-open-tag[07:04:24] <lewellyn> ##php can help you decide which answer is right for you :)[07:04:32] <tindasz> ok[07:04:42] <tindasz> lewellyn : thanks[07:05:50] <lewellyn> also http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.basic-syntax.php[07:06:08] <lewellyn> i usually fix the code when i hit that problem[07:06:42] <tindasz> ok[07:07:17] <lewellyn> /<\? *=/<\?php echo/g[07:07:18] <Psi-Jack> What is "plumb" anyway?[07:07:29] <lewellyn> /<\?/<\?php /g[07:07:49] *** Vinayak has joined #opensolaris[07:07:49] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: man ifconfig[07:07:52] <lewellyn> :)[07:08:13] <lewellyn> tindasz: those regexes won't work perfectly, but they'll get you the idea of what needs to be done[07:08:28] <tindasz> plumb to set interface cab be use using ifconfig command[07:08:59] <tindasz> lewellyn: i thhink this issue have related with php.ini[07:09:02] <Psi-Jack> Interesting.[07:09:43] <tindasz> Psi-Jack: so when you want to use the interface please plumb it first[07:09:57] <Psi-Jack> That just sounds, so wrong. LOL[07:10:31] <echobinary> lol[07:10:47] <echobinary> but sound advice no matter the situation![07:12:09] <tindasz> lewellyn: just fix it at php.ini[07:12:53] <tindasz> lewellyn: i do this --> short_open_tag = On[07:13:35] <echobinary> don't want don't want don't want no short short tag[07:13:50] <JeremyK> echobinary: horrible. but awesome.[07:14:00] <echobinary> ;)[07:15:18] <lewellyn> tindasz: that's fixed for now. you'll need to fix the source some time :)[07:15:31] <tindasz> :)[07:15:49] <tindasz> Psi-Jack: sounds?[07:15:52] <lewellyn> php 6.something will probably take it away[07:16:15] <tindasz> lewellyn: i want to install cacti at solari[07:16:18] <Spencer_tt> echobinary: about php, it's also a matter of personal choice it seemed so hackish the first time I heard about it.[07:16:43] <lewellyn> tindasz: i've never tried. you should ask their channel :)[07:16:43] <tindasz> lewellyn: i want to install cacti at opensolaris[07:17:01] <JeremyK> ugh[07:17:11] <tindasz> ok[07:17:28] <trochej> Coffee[07:17:48] <JeremyK> good luck with that. there's no snmp support in php (at least as of 2009.06) and rebuilding it is currently impossible because the tools used to build webstack aren't publicly available (last time I checked anyways)[07:18:17] <jdoe> er[07:18:24] <jdoe> there's no snmp support in php?[07:18:27] <jdoe> oh, solaris packages.[07:18:33] * jdoe goes back to idling.[07:18:38] <lblume> Not possible to build PHP? How so?[07:18:44] <tindasz> we check it first[07:18:50] <echobinary> no PHP for joo![07:19:32] <lewellyn> lblume: some people can't configure && make && make install, it seems[07:20:09] <lewellyn> ok. with luck this will be my last time watching openssl build tonight[07:20:16] <lblume> Looks like it. Though PHP loves a good number of paramters to configure :-)[07:20:46] * lewellyn goes to watch some unharmonious youtube[07:21:23] <JeremyK> lewellyn: I was trying to build a proper SUNWphp-snmp package[07:21:28] <JeremyK> or something similar[07:22:48] <JeremyK> I rely on package management so I don't have to deal with the ./configure && make && make install process. If I wanted to do that I'd go back to slackware :P[07:23:03] <jdoe> opencsw has php.[07:23:04] <tindasz> :)[07:23:32] <JeremyK> I don't mind building my own packages or modifying existing packages, and I was actually going to contribute my changes back upstream so they could be included, but I can't.[07:23:58] <JeremyK> jdoe: installing a whole slew of duplicate packages from another repository just to get one feature out of php is wasteful.[07:25:03] <JeremyK> and then, as is the case with blastwave, what happens when their repo is constantly down?[07:25:28] <JeremyK> I'm not complaining about the lack of the feature, I'm simply stating that I'd love to contribute, but pretty much can't.[07:25:35] <JeremyK> and good luck to you ;)[07:26:09] <lewellyn> JeremyK: php is in sfw. the sfw sources and build procedure are public[07:26:34] <lewellyn> and only sun can build a SUNW package. that's the point of the prefix: to identify where it came from.[07:27:01] <lewellyn> i'll not rant about the dropping of the prefix and the fact that filesystem(5) is practically ignored, right now[07:28:31] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[07:28:47] <JeremyK> lewellyn: so if I was all set up and happy with SUNW's webstack, and a year down the road decided I needed snmp support in php (which is not provided with the SUNW package) I have to rebuild my entire system with either sfw packages or compile it from scratch? as opposed to editing a build script and adding --enable-snmp or similar?[07:29:16] <JeremyK> seems rather... a pain in the ass[07:29:22] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[07:30:35] <JeremyK> maybe I'm just too new to *solaris and don't understand the mindset which is required to operate it in a daily basis, which is fine, but it seems rather... backward to me[07:31:25] <lblume> what part is backward?[07:31:43] <JeremyK> installing the IPSnrpe package from blastwave's repo installs a completely separate perl installation, some base libraries, and all sorts of other stuff[07:32:31] <JeremyK> and maybe that's just blastwave's issue, but from my (admittedly rather limited) experience it seems like the attitude is "if it's not provided by SUNW, it goes in /opt somewhere"[07:33:40] <trochej> JeremyK I will refrain from commenting on how ones experience makes their view of the world.[07:34:26] <trochej> To me having as much tenses as English has is wasteful and weird[07:34:34] <lblume> JeremyK: Yes, that's the right way to do it: unbundled software goes in /opt[07:34:54] <Andys^> should rename all the packages ORACLEW[07:35:40] <JeremyK> lblume: that seems to make lots of separate but equal operating environments. /opt/csw /opt/sfw /opt/jimsrepo /opt/whatever[07:36:16] <trochej> But I have 7 cases in Polish. And a crapload of suffixes.[07:36:17] <trochej> :)[07:36:21] <lblume> They are not equal, and it's *good* that they are separate. It's rather the point. You can have different versions of the same libs with no issues.[07:36:21] <trochej> Oh, and coffee[07:37:21] <galt> trochej: just so long as you don't have a plane flight ;P[07:37:37] <JeremyK> lblume: but to have to reinstall a whole set of libs in a different place just to add one little thing seems like a bad idea. what if I wanted to make a package for a perl module, I should build my own perl, all the modules I need and throw it into /opt/kitchensperl?[07:38:02] <JeremyK> or would lewellyn say "what, CPAN isn't good enough for you?"[07:38:06] * JeremyK gags[07:38:11] <trochej> galt: why?[07:38:43] <galt> polish flights might not be the best idea...[07:39:16] <lblume> JeremyK: You don't always have to. but if you do have to, you want one that won't interfere with the system's, and can be controlled easily.[07:39:52] <Spencer_tt> some airports are crap :| they charge pornographic rates for internet access no fair.[07:40:41] <trochej> galt: Ah, only government. Private airlines are more modern[07:41:02] *** zynox has quit IRC[07:41:15] <trochej> Spencer_tt: And hotels.[07:41:15] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[07:41:46] <trochej> Rates for Internet in hotels are just crazy.[07:41:55] <Spencer_tt> trochej: if only 3/4G was every where[07:42:18] <Spencer_tt> what's the typical rate/hour[07:43:13] <Spencer_tt> >30 bucks I bet give or take some dollars.[07:44:20] <JeremyK> Spencer_tt: yea, so you can pay massive overage on your 'unlimited' data plan because you watched a few youtube videos? no thanks.[07:44:31] <lewellyn> smrt: explain sfw[07:44:31] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about sfw...[07:44:34] <lewellyn> smrt: explain SFW[07:44:34] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about SFW...[07:44:39] <jdoe> JeremyK: you shouldn't be touching the system perl to begin with.[07:44:43] <jdoe> poking system perl is asking for trouble.[07:44:48] <lewellyn> JeremyK: sfw is the sun consolidation which delivers most of webstack[07:45:03] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[07:45:10] * jdoe picks nits :P[07:45:28] <lewellyn> which can be checked out easily, and built (theoretically easily, but i've not tried)[07:45:29] <JeremyK> lewellyn: but their build tools are not available last time I ventured down the --enable-snmp road[07:45:41] <lewellyn> how long ago was this?[07:45:42] <Spencer_tt> JeremyK: sorry I didn't get that - I'm usually dense at this time of the morning.[07:46:17] <JeremyK> so I have a ./configure line from phpinfo() with very strange paths and no mention of how to properly stuff the tarball (IPS package)[07:46:29] <JeremyK> so I end up with a random unmanaged file laying around somewhere[07:46:35] <JeremyK> lewellyn: 6 months?[07:46:42] <JeremyK> I gave up.[07:47:04] <lewellyn> https://de.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=111651&tstart=105 indicates that 6 months ago, non-sun could build it[07:47:48] <lewellyn> "# compiler: gcc 3.4.3 with patches as delivered with Solaris Express build 22 or later, or SFW build 22 or later."[07:47:52] <lewellyn> from their guide[07:48:03] <lewellyn> also: "There are no closed binaries; the entire consolidation is Open Source."[07:48:26] <JeremyK> I may have to investigate again. I have no idea where I found the "build tools are currently internal only" message, and don't feel like chasing it down if it even exists anymore[07:48:28] <Psi-Jack> It's good to have a laptop so you don't mess up your other means of internet connectivity. LOL[07:48:32] <lewellyn> so i call BS on your claim that the build tools aren't available[07:48:38] *** hajma has quit IRC[07:48:49] <JeremyK> lewellyn: I stand corrected. When I looked, they weren't.[07:48:56] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain bs[07:48:57] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about bs...[07:49:07] <lewellyn> JeremyK: their docs seem to indicate otherwise, period[07:49:30] <lewellyn> it looks like all you need is SUNWonbld[07:49:35] <lewellyn> which you need to build on[07:49:55] <lewellyn> and if ON isn't buildable outside sun, that's news to me[07:50:22] <JeremyK> lewellyn: ok, looks like I'll have to look again.[07:50:32] <lewellyn> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+sfwnv/install_quickstart for when you look again :)[07:50:36] <JeremyK> thanks[07:51:56] <JeremyK> I'll probably wait until 2010.whenever comes out before I fire up my home fileserver again[07:52:08] <JeremyK> and I'll check into it then, for sure.[07:52:55] <lewellyn> from php's Makefile.sfw[07:53:05] <JeremyK> oh[07:53:07] <JeremyK> hah![07:53:17] <JeremyK> now that for SURE wasn't the case with 2009.06 ;P[07:53:34] <lewellyn> that i can't say, as the Annotate link doesn't work for SFW[07:53:36] <JeremyK> and if you try to call bs on that I'll go over and fire up my server :P[07:53:54] <mui> hmm[07:54:03] <mui> I have two different devices with same name in pool configuration[07:54:05] <lewellyn> we'd need someone at sun to tell us what the history of that file looks like[07:54:09] <mui> how cool is that[07:54:38] * lewellyn crosses fingers that this build will finally work[07:55:00] <JeremyK> mui: one's failed and the other isn't? and you can't detach the failed one? yea, I'v ehad that happen. offloaded the pool and threw it off the roof[07:55:01] <lewellyn> then i can spend tomorrow cleaning it up and packaging it. if it took me a weekend, i can package it :P[07:55:19] <mui> JeremyK: nope, i cannot[07:55:26] <mui> I should replace it first with spare, but.. can't :P[07:55:30] <JeremyK> lewellyn: and then voila, 2010.X goes out? ;)[07:55:43] <lewellyn> JeremyK: this is on solaris 10[07:55:46] <JeremyK> ah[07:55:50] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:55:55] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:55:58] <lewellyn> and as i'm not affiliated with sun/oracle, i have no clue what the status of 2010.1H is[07:56:06] <JeremyK> I know I know[07:56:20] <JeremyK> note how I didn't ask (it's in the topic) I was merely poking fun[07:56:39] * lewellyn wonders if the stuff in the webstack repo builds easily on Solaris 10[07:56:47] <jdoe> 2011.03[07:56:54] <JeremyK> jdoe: zing.[07:57:06] *** Zauberpo1y has joined #opensolaris[07:57:08] * JeremyK wonders how much RAM he needs to dedup 4 29TB pools[07:57:17] <mui> alot[07:57:22] <JeremyK> 32 gigs apparently isn't enough, haha[07:57:43] <mui> I'd go 128GB+[07:57:44] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: what sort of server setup and connection would you hint at for a OpenSolaris mirror and IPS repo[07:57:45] <JeremyK> nobody answered my question on the zfs-discuss list about viewing the size of the DDt[07:57:53] <Psi-Jack> Hmm[07:58:05] <JeremyK> mui: well, I think these machiens can only take 96GB, and if 96 won't do it, I don't wanna waste money finding out y'know[07:58:12] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: heh, I just followed that guide for ip-forwarding, and I'm even more lost than before I started. LOL[07:58:12] <mui> y[07:58:51] *** Zauberpony has quit IRC[07:58:51] <Psi-Jack> And, my laptop, using my osol box, still has no connectivity, using the osol box as the gateway.[07:59:01] <JeremyK> I can probably swing the cost of the ram upgrades if I can show that we'll save X% of disk space (where X% is worth more than the cost of the 96 gigs of ram) but I doubt I can swing the 96GB of ram "just to test"[07:59:55] <Psi-Jack> Both IPv4 Routing is enabled, and IPv4 Forwarding is enabled. The gateway of the osol box is the internet gateway, the gateway of the laptop is the osol box.[08:01:44] <Andys^> JeremyK: you need a big L2ARC, then you need 96gb to keep track of the L2ARC[08:02:40] <JeremyK> Andys^: L2ARC is separate per pool, right? so theoretically I'd need 4 SSDs for the L2ARC huge-ification>[08:02:52] <JeremyK> I think we have some laying around I can throw in to test[08:03:13] <JeremyK> cache devices can be removed from a pool safely, yea?[08:03:50] <mui> yes[08:03:58] <mui> I'm hardly getting any use for l2arc with dedup though[08:04:05] <mui> dunno whats wrong with it[08:04:11] <JeremyK> mui: how much space / how much ram?[08:04:18] <mui> its getting writes for new data but hardly any reads[08:04:29] <mui> 24TB, 24GB[08:04:35] <JeremyK> hrm.[08:04:39] <JeremyK> dedup ratio?[08:04:41] <mui> 80GB l2arc[08:04:49] <mui> 1.49x[08:04:54] <JeremyK> nice.[08:05:05] <JeremyK> pretty active 24TB?[08:05:10] <mui> nope[08:05:21] <JeremyK> mine are all backups, which run daily and use rsync. so they're really hot for about 6 hours[08:05:24] <JeremyK> heh[08:05:29] *** chendy has quit IRC[08:05:59] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[08:06:43] <JeremyK> one of these days I'm going to figure out how to use dtrace. I've seen such awesome stuff based on it.[08:07:58] *** setheus has quit IRC[08:08:24] <Andys^> JeremyK: there's an anecdotal ratio of Dedupe table size to L2ARC required..[08:08:29] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: i wouldn't know[08:08:30] <Andys^> i've lost the URL..[08:08:34] <Andys^> it was a sun blog[08:08:49] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: yeah. it tooke me time to get a good setup. and like hell if i can document it :P[08:09:11] <madwizard> Coffee[08:09:11] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: means more homework for me :P[08:09:14] <lewellyn> and now to watch this thing compile. again.[08:09:19] <lewellyn> worst case is one more after this oen[08:09:24] <Spencer_tt> literally[08:09:25] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: Heh.[08:09:39] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: there's no official route to make a full mirror of p.o.o still[08:10:10] <Spencer_tt> p.o.o?[08:10:11] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[08:10:51] *** lattera has quit IRC[08:11:52] <lblume> lewellyn: You're building OpenSSL 1.0, BTW?[08:12:01] *** setheus has joined #opensolaris[08:12:03] <JeremyK> so, in the case of streaming writes over nfs (about 1 gigabit incoming) , a ZIL device would likely help quite a bit, yea?[08:12:37] <mrp> is there a iperf for opensolaris[08:14:52] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[08:17:01] <lewellyn> lblume: it's part of the build recipe, yes[08:17:06] <Psi-Jack> Blah![08:17:11] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: pkg.opensolaris.org[08:17:15] <Psi-Jack> Now all networking to osol is completely just... Gone.[08:17:40] <Psi-Jack> heh. It has internet activity, but nothing else in either of my networks can talk to it. Sheash. ;)[08:18:39] <lblume> lewellyn: It works as a replacement for 0.9.8, with a rebuild? I haven't tried it yet.[08:19:06] <zedrich> this 134 rev seems to uh... run a bit faster than 111b[08:19:06] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. interesting. I just stopped route:default and ipv4-forwarding, and local network can use it now.[08:19:36] *** leito_ has quit IRC[08:19:51] * Psi-Jack is so confused. LOL[08:19:57] *** logic855 has quit IRC[08:20:27] <lewellyn> lblume: *cough* static linking, i think.[08:20:32] <JeremyK> zedrich: I've noticed the same with 133 on my 'must try out userquotas and dedup' machine[08:20:35] <lewellyn> it's a private openssl in any case[08:20:52] <JeremyK> I think some changes were made to the mpt driver which made it not suck[08:21:09] <mui> plenty, actually[08:21:21] <JeremyK> because I have scrubbed 2 of these 4 pools and haven't had any issues. previously, even THINKING about scrubbing one would cause the whole thing to choke[08:21:22] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[08:21:37] <lblume> lewellyn: Static? Heresy! :-D I'm only wondering if it's worth replacing the old S10 version.[08:22:32] <JeremyK> I thought it was the drives, but with 2009.06 I'm still seeing the same shit with vastly superior drives[08:22:38] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[08:23:17] <FastJack> good morning[08:23:43] <lewellyn> lblume: i'm not that ballsy[08:24:11] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[08:24:19] <lblume> lewellyn: I don't mean removing it :-P Just building my stuff against the new one instead of /usr/sfw.[08:24:55] <causality> guten morgen[08:25:01] <lewellyn> lblume: well, this is solaris 10 :)[08:25:19] <lewellyn> btw, v100? not the speediest box for huge builds.[08:25:36] <causality> does anyone know the differences in zfs between opensolaris and sol 10?[08:25:51] <lewellyn> causality: solaris 10 has an older version with fewer features[08:26:04] <causality> i know..[08:26:11] <causality> hence the question![08:26:17] *** FattyAcid has joined #opensolaris[08:27:37] <mui> JeremyK: there were some crucial mpt fixes around 120-123 or so[08:28:08] <lblume> causality: zpool upgrade -v will tell you the level and where to look for info[08:28:10] <JeremyK> mui: really? well, once we get a release I'll be shoving it to all of my machines and will start scrubbing away[08:28:33] <lblume> zfs upgrade -v, too[08:28:39] <Psi-Jack> Alright. Seems ipnat is not wanting to work, even just ipnat -l gives: ioctl(SIOCGNATS): I/O error[08:30:59] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[08:31:54] <mui> yes[08:32:34] * mui watches zpool iostat that shows constant 350MB/s read and 780MB/s write[08:32:38] <mui> with mpt[08:33:10] *** tindasz has quit IRC[08:33:16] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: i don't use ipnat[08:34:01] *** tindasz has joined #opensolaris[08:34:16] <Psi-Jack> Well, lo and behold. Once I started ipfilter:default, BOOM, it just started working on it's own./[08:34:22] *** jurikm has joined #opensolaris[08:37:48] *** tindasz has quit IRC[08:38:04] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: I found a blog regarding this kind of setup, so I was following some of the guides. But it apparently assumed ipfilter was already running.[08:38:19] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[08:39:00] <lewellyn> never assume! :D[08:39:24] <lewellyn> just like you should never give up, nor never surrender.[08:39:41] <Macer> haha[08:39:52] <Macer> no retreat! no surrender!![08:40:07] *** vraa has quit IRC[08:40:42] <lblume> ¿La Libertad o la Muerte?[08:40:43] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:41:51] <JeremyK> sysconfig -r[08:41:58] <JeremyK> blah, wrong terminal[08:44:07] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:45:58] *** palowoda has quit IRC[08:47:50] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[08:52:10] *** kokotier has joined #opensolaris[08:52:14] <kokotier> hello[08:53:02] <zedrich> so Im doing a zfs send of a snapshot.. can one deduce the total data is the USED + REFER?[08:53:13] <kokotier> I have "checking for GTK... no" when running configure[08:53:23] <kokotier> anybody know what to do ?[08:53:51] <causality> lblume: i have neither systems running, i am trying to decide what to use for my new file server.[08:53:51] <kokotier> gtk is installed :([08:54:38] <JeremyK> zedrich: only REFER[08:54:46] <JeremyK> zedrich: unless you're doing -R[08:55:16] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:55:40] <JeremyK> then it gets complicated ;)[08:56:47] <madwizard> Coffee[08:56:58] <winstonw> coffee![08:57:03] <JeremyK> sleep![08:58:36] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[09:01:03] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[09:01:32] <lblume> causality: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/version/N http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/version/zpl/N[09:01:39] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[09:02:05] <lblume> zpool is at 15 for S10, 22 for osol, zfs is both 4.[09:02:22] <causality> thanks, i'll check them out[09:03:37] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: And you didn't use ipnat at all to make opensolaris into a router?[09:04:34] <lewellyn> no[09:04:43] <lewellyn> i only have it routing ipv6, not natted[09:04:48] <Psi-Jack> Did you have it connecting LAN<->Internet?[09:04:51] *** gebi has quit IRC[09:04:53] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh[09:04:59] <causality> lblume: looks like no comstar supports on sol 10 zfs :([09:05:59] <Psi-Jack> Well.. Now that I have this part of my setup seemingly functional. Time to step it up another notch towards Crossbow-ness with VWIRE. ;)[09:07:19] <kokotier> grrrr gtk in opensolaris[09:08:03] <Psi-Jack> Heck, GTK+? It's got Gnome.[09:08:16] *** xyyz has joined #opensolaris[09:08:20] <xyyz> hiya...[09:08:25] <lblume> causality: And it won't come to S10, either.[09:08:33] <zedrich> best part of 134 is definitely the new default X fonts[09:08:36] <xyyz> are there any packages for auto shutdowns during power losses?[09:08:43] <xyyz> you know sorta like powerchute?[09:09:01] <xyyz> i've exhausted my google skills looking for something[09:09:34] <causality> lblume: i'm trying to decide on the best file server solution for the next few years.[09:09:36] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm[09:10:13] <madwizard> causality: Corporate or home?[09:10:40] <causality> for home, but it's important.[09:11:21] <madwizard> causality: I never said that it was unimportant[09:11:21] <xyyz> opensolaris doesn't support the auto shutdown when running off a UPS out of the box does it?[09:11:46] <madwizard> causality: It's just that in Corporate environment I'd plan for more exposition to malicious activity[09:11:56] <madwizard> xyyz: I think not[09:12:16] <madwizard> causality: For home use I'd go for /release[09:12:32] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[09:12:55] <xyyz> so there's no powerchute like software or a daemon/service i can enable?[09:13:09] <lewellyn> xyyz: i think powerchute's still available for solaris, no?[09:13:37] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[09:13:51] <madwizard> timsf: Coffee?[09:14:11] <timsf> good idea madwizard[09:15:09] <lewellyn> very good idea[09:16:17] <lewellyn> however, it turns out i have a cup of earl grey waiting for me. awesome[09:16:38] <timsf> Earl Grey - what sort of coffee is that?![09:16:52] <lewellyn> not as dark as usual, and very herbal[09:16:57] <FastJack> it's that star trek coffee[09:17:12] * timsf looks suspiciously at coffee grown in leaf-form[09:17:15] <xyyz> looking now[09:17:23] <xyyz> hmmm they have a solaris version from 2008[09:17:30] <xyyz> shouldn't have any problems right?[09:17:50] *** jurikm has quit IRC[09:17:57] <FastJack> timsf: picard always drank earl grey. so it must be bad ass :)[09:18:06] <lewellyn> xyyz: probably not. and there's some free apc management thing which may be in contrib or sfe[09:18:18] <lewellyn> FastJack: but his had synthesized bergamot, no?[09:18:23] <xyyz> there we go... that's what i rather use[09:18:29] <xyyz> contrib or sfe? sorry.... what's that?[09:18:32] * lewellyn has the cheap stuff which is heavy on the bergamot to hide that the tea itself sucks[09:18:39] <lewellyn> smrt: explain contrib[09:18:40] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about contrib...[09:18:44] <lewellyn> smrt: explain jucr[09:18:45] <smrt> Want to get more software into the /contrib repo? Awesome! It is pretty simple to do, so come help out! Take a look at Source Juicer: http://jucr.opensolaris.org/[09:18:52] <FastJack> lewellyn: he had synthesized everything :)[09:18:56] <lewellyn> smrt: explain spec-files-extra[09:18:56] <smrt> spec-files-extra (SFE) is a collection of popular software which is not yet in OpenSolaris, but should be. The project ports software and creates spec files for packages. You need pkgbuild to use SFE, see: explain pkgbuild , bootstrap-sfe-latest-os20nn , http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/ , http://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/ the wiki explains how to use the build environment and gives installati[09:19:17] <lewellyn> looks like that factlet needs cleanup[09:19:23] <lewellyn> but yeah. that wiki link :)[09:19:35] <lewellyn> smrt: explain pkgbuild[09:19:35] <smrt> pkgbuild builds software packages for OpenSolaris from recipes (spec files). It is used for JDS (desktop), Source Juicer, and spec-files-extra (SFE) packages. http://pkgbuild.wiki.sourceforge.net/pkgbuild+on+OpenSolaris explains how to use pkgbuild and related tools. #pkgbuild hosts pkgbuild and packaging related discussion. (See also: explain spec-files-extra, bootstrap-sfe-latest-os20nn)[09:20:20] *** jurikm has joined #opensolaris[09:20:22] <xyyz> very sweet... i'll look there now.... thanks[09:21:24] <lewellyn> try looking in the contrib repo first[09:21:59] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[09:22:03] <lewellyn> Name: apcupsd[09:22:03] <lewellyn> Summary: A daemon for controlling APC UPSes[09:22:11] <lewellyn> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/contrib/p5i/0/apcupsd.p5i[09:22:16] <lewellyn> there you go :)[09:22:17] <xyyz> so what's the difference between pending and contrib?[09:22:28] <xyyz> yeps saw it too... reviewing it before i install it[09:22:37] <lewellyn> pending is the stuff which hasn't been "promoted" to contrib[09:22:38] <madwizard> xyyz: /pending is waiting for review before being kicked into to /contrib[09:22:43] <madwizard> :)[09:22:48] <lewellyn> which mainly means "lack of review" yes[09:22:51] <lewellyn> speaking of...[09:23:02] <madwizard> lewellyn: Gimme a link :)[09:23:13] * lewellyn waits for jucr[09:23:17] <lewellyn> i swear the site's written in java[09:23:22] *** enderst has quit IRC[09:23:48] <lewellyn> a certain Damian Wojs?aw validated http://jucr.opensolaris.org/review/packages/7495/ but it's not been voted on[09:23:59] <xyyz> so after contrib what happens?[09:24:03] <lewellyn> madwizard: do you need me to put up a small test?[09:24:15] <lewellyn> xyyz: contrib can be seen as a semi-official repository[09:24:26] <madwizard> lewellyn: Yah[09:24:31] <lewellyn> there's a chance that a consolidation may pick up something that's in contrib[09:24:34] <shem> if i have a zfs partition (osol b134) /rpool/virtualbox/foobar, with quota set at 20GB and i want to use that as the disk for a new virtualbox guest, what is the procedure? i found an old recipe with "VBoxManage internalcommands" but that doesn't work[09:24:41] <lewellyn> madwizard: ok. can't do that till tomorrow. it's housework time :([09:24:57] <Psi-Jack> kokotier: And no need to PM me. Don't care if you're trying to compile transmission.[09:25:18] <kokotier> you asked[09:25:24] <Psi-Jack> No, I didn't.[09:25:27] <xyyz> hmmm... now i'm debating using the APCC package or the contrib package[09:25:56] <lewellyn> xyyz: at least you know the contrib package has been tested on opensolaris.[09:26:00] <madwizard> lewellyn: We need more promoters[09:26:13] <lewellyn> however, the apc package has support from the vendor[09:26:24] <lewellyn> madwizard: yes. we also need to see promotions happen more than a couple times per year[09:26:48] <xyyz> ah... okay... well as long as it's tested and working[09:26:53] <Psi-Jack> I still think it's funny where I actually got my OpenSolaris 2009.06 CD from. The Florida Linux Show. ;)[09:26:58] <xyyz> the apcc stuff is usually really bloated[09:27:39] <causality> Psi-Jack: even more amusing is my apachecon 2000 entry badge with my company being 'microsoft' on it ;)[09:27:47] <Psi-Jack> heh[09:27:55] <causality> sheesh ten years ago :([09:27:58] * Psi-Jack is currently creating his first zone.[09:28:10] <lewellyn> xyyz: http://jucr.opensolaris.org/review/packages/350/[09:28:13] <lewellyn> that's the review thread[09:28:27] <madwizard> lewellyn: Voted[09:28:38] <madwizard> lewellyn: Find cypromis, if you can. :)[09:28:42] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[09:28:52] <lewellyn> madwizard: thanks. i'll try to come up with a small test case for it tomorrow, and link it in the review thread[09:29:21] <xyyz> now only if there was a readme or something explaining how to use it[09:29:23] <lewellyn> i can surely think of something suitably complex, yet small :)[09:29:24] *** wrapster has joined #opensolaris[09:29:38] <lewellyn> xyyz: the project surely has a home page, being a sourceforge project[09:29:55] <lewellyn> anyhow. housework time before i get my keyboard taken away forcibly ;)[09:30:21] <xyyz> it does, but it's a dead link :/[09:30:43] <xyyz> oh now it decides to work[09:30:53] <wrapster> m none usr/ccs/bin/ar 555 root bin usr/bin/ar[09:31:02] <wrapster> what is the equivalent of that in IPS?[09:31:33] <lewellyn> look at the manifest that provides that binary, maybe?[09:31:33] <timsf> pkg contents -m <package name> | grep 'thing'[09:31:37] <timsf> at the moment..[09:33:01] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[09:33:08] <wrapster> timsf: hmm.. let me try.[09:34:19] <lewellyn> you can look at p.o.o too[09:34:36] <wrapster> p.o.o ?[09:34:42] <hrist> poo![09:34:57] * causality created ratemypoo[09:35:28] * hrist once created ratemy.... nothing to be proud of, especially when we found out that there already is something with that name xD[09:35:34] *** justnow has joined #opensolaris[09:35:37] *** enderst has joined #opensolaris[09:35:55] <madwizard> wrapster: pkg.opensolaris.org == p.o.o[09:36:03] <wrapster> ok[09:38:37] *** xyyz has quit IRC[09:39:12] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm[09:39:20] <Psi-Jack> How do I get out of zlogin back to the host?[09:39:22] <wrapster> but in general apart from links are there any other ways to moving files to another location?[09:39:24] *** edude03 has quit IRC[09:40:01] <strato> Psi-Jack[09:40:05] <strato> good question[09:40:09] <Psi-Jack> heh[09:40:22] <strato> Thats why I use SSH to login in zones[09:40:23] <strato> :D[09:40:30] <perlmongo> try ~.[09:40:51] <Psi-Jack> perlmongo: Eh?[09:40:58] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, that worked finally. ;)[09:41:08] <perlmongo> getting out of zlogin back to global zone[09:41:09] <strato> :D[09:41:11] <strato> yeah[09:41:15] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[09:41:16] <strato> now I know it too[09:41:41] *** kinkie has joined #opensolaris[09:42:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.[09:42:21] *** tokenmathguy has joined #opensolaris[09:42:25] <Psi-Jack> Blasted, network connectity of my zone failing.[09:43:05] <Psi-Jack> heh, can't even ping the host IP.[09:44:42] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh.. Think I know why now..[09:45:02] <Psi-Jack> I set vnic a1 to use the phys-nic of rge1, when I should've set it to rge0.[09:45:24] <Psi-Jack> There a way I can relink it to rge0 instead of rge1?[09:45:46] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[09:46:02] *** WormDrink has quit IRC[09:48:12] <Psi-Jack> Got it. ;) Just deleted and recreated anyway. Now it's got network connectivity.[09:49:26] *** Thrae has quit IRC[09:50:44] <Psi-Jack> Well, heck. With this way of doing things, setting up two machines with a zone in each one for handling network routing for the LAN network, is easily possible.[09:50:46] <houst0n> Psi-Jack: You can change those settings the 'approved way' by using zonecfg, or the way most people do it by hacking /etc/zones/zone_name.xml :)[09:51:06] <Psi-Jack> houst0n: The problem wasn't the zone itself, but the vnic. ;)[09:51:19] <Psi-Jack> Was bound to the wrong phys-nic.[09:52:44] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, well, so far so good on my learning curve. Solaris is a lot different from my normals, but learning it's not been TOO hard yet. ;)[09:52:44] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[09:53:26] <Psi-Jack> Heh. next thing I want to do is figure out how to get two OpenSolaris boxes to act as redunant routers, so it one goes down the other immediately replaces it keeping network up.[09:53:49] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[09:56:50] *** justnow has quit IRC[09:57:06] *** ma3x has quit IRC[09:57:58] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[09:59:12] *** Aria has quit IRC[10:01:04] *** wdp_mob has joined #opensolaris[10:02:37] *** z11k has joined #opensolaris[10:04:36] <z11k> hi all, i would like to run script which change passwords (poppasswd) through inetd.conf, but i have got error: permision denied /dev/tty[10:04:54] *** wdp_mob has quit IRC[10:05:09] *** wdp_mob has joined #opensolaris[10:05:29] *** wdp_mob has quit IRC[10:05:56] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[10:06:25] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:06:56] <z11k> any suggestion?[10:10:34] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[10:12:17] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[10:13:02] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[10:15:39] <madwizard> Coffee[10:16:13] <sickness> hi Mdx4[10:16:15] *** merzo has quit IRC[10:16:27] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[10:16:49] <Stric> z11k: it seems like it needs a terminal, and you don't have one.[10:19:21] <z11k> Stric: yes, it seems so, it does work in linux and i would like to make it work in opensolaris as well.[10:19:55] <Stric> inet doesn't provide a tty; your poppasswd seems to require one.[10:20:03] <Stric> s/inet/inetd/[10:21:32] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[10:22:17] *** tokenmathguy has quit IRC[10:26:24] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[10:29:06] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:31:46] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[10:32:20] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[10:34:08] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:35:11] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC[10:35:35] *** purserj has quit IRC[10:35:50] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[10:37:01] <madwizard> Coffee[10:38:31] *** jurikm has left #opensolaris[10:38:42] <Shoggoth> evening all[10:40:36] <Shoggoth> I've got another pktool/lofiadm question if anyone can help out: I've got a number of discs that I want to encrypt using the same key which I've stored in the pkcs11 soft token[10:41:03] <Shoggoth> I've figured out (with the help of the crypto mailing list) how to set this up, but one last problem[10:41:40] <Shoggoth> If I run the command to create the encrypted device:[10:41:41] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[10:42:02] <Shoggoth> lofiadm -a /dev/dsk/cXtYdZp0 /dev/lofi/Y[10:42:21] <Shoggoth> I can't do it in a loop because lofiadm insists on grabbing it's input via /dev/tty rather than stdin[10:42:31] <Shoggoth> any suggestions?[10:43:08] <Shoggoth> ie. I don't want to have to enter a passphrase during every loop iteration[10:43:54] *** funbun has joined #opensolaris[10:44:31] <CosmicDJ> are you sure that you cmd line example is creating an encrypted lofi "dev" at all? I don't see any '-c' or '-k' or '-T' or '-e'[10:44:41] *** Vinayak has quit IRC[10:44:53] <Shoggoth> eh... sorry yes I truncated the cut 'n' paste[10:45:02] <Shoggoth> should be:[10:45:22] <Shoggoth> lofiadm -a /dev/dsk/cXtYdZp0 /dev/lofi/Y -c aes-256-cbc -k mykey[10:46:24] <Shoggoth> I'm wondering if the KMF has some way of setting up a session for want of a better word so that I don't have to enter the passphrase for each loop iteration[10:46:43] <CosmicDJ> don't you need '-T' as well for pksc#11?[10:47:53] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[10:48:09] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[10:48:18] <Shoggoth> eh... yes... lol... wrong cut'n'paste again... in any case that's not where my problem is... my problem is the continual prompting for the same passphrase over and over (it's the pkcs11 pin)[10:50:14] <gebi> Shoggoth: for automation of tty readers expect is the right tool, eg. http://archives.seul.org/seul/edu/Apr-1999/msg00036.html[10:51:28] <Shoggoth> eh... yes I could use expect... but I was kind of hoping that the KMF had some kind of session management. If I'm going to use expect I might as well just write something up in C that uses the KMF's API directly as I haven't used expect in about 15 years ... sigh![10:52:02] <gebi> heh ;)[10:53:02] <Shoggoth> I guess I'll ask the crypto mailing list again... no instant gratification there unfortunately as the other inhabitants seem to be in a timezone about 17 hours behind me :([10:53:04] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[10:54:55] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[10:54:56] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[10:56:34] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[10:58:31] <jbit> Some of the people I deal with at work seem to be in a timezone about 50 hours behind or so[10:58:38] <Shoggoth> lol[10:59:02] <gebi> *gg*[10:59:06] <Shoggoth> I know how that feels.... some of the people I've been dealing with lately seem to be about 50 years behind :)[10:59:28] <Shoggoth> then again... I think some of the questions I've had about pktool have made me feel about 50 years behind :([10:59:54] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[11:00:10] <jbit> best is middleware providers who provide a "all support requests answered in 24 hours" guarantee[11:00:26] <jbit> who really mean that... to the word... so virtually everything has over a day turn around[11:01:00] <Shoggoth> lol... my favourite is ringing a support site in the US on a monday and being asked why I want support on a Sunday :)[11:01:46] <jbit> during hte last project i had a phone meeting at like 8am and then anotehr at like 8pm[11:01:54] <Shoggoth> sometimes I think it would be easier if they swapped the dateline and greenwich about[11:02:04] <jbit> always fun going home in the middle of the day for a few hours and then coming back to work[11:02:09] <Shoggoth> yep[11:02:39] *** strawf has quit IRC[11:02:47] *** strawf has joined #opensolaris[11:04:40] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[11:05:07] <jnss> when 201003 gets out will you pm me?[11:05:18] <houst0n> of course[11:07:20] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[11:08:43] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:09:50] *** zzpat has quit IRC[11:10:37] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:12:31] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[11:13:40] *** zzpat has quit IRC[11:14:04] *** wrapster has quit IRC[11:14:59] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[11:15:47] *** zzpat has joined #opensolaris[11:16:10] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[11:19:30] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[11:21:52] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[11:22:40] *** sr_sr has joined #opensolaris[11:22:44] <sr_sr> hey[11:22:45] <sr_sr> http://pastie.org/915354[11:22:58] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[11:24:26] *** cnu has quit IRC[11:24:51] <sr_sr> anyone help me please[11:25:02] <mui> zfs list -t snapshot -r rpool[11:25:37] <sr_sr> just a sec[11:27:00] <sr_sr> http://pastie.org/915358[11:27:17] <mui> you can destroy some of these[11:27:25] <mui> rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-8@install[11:27:27] <mui> for ex.[11:27:40] <mui> to gain space[11:27:55] <piwi> i would guess /tmp isnt a good mountpoint. did you try anything else?[11:28:25] <mui> it is not because mountpoint[11:28:31] <mui> it is because he does not have enough space for htis[11:28:50] <sr_sr> same for /export/home1[11:29:15] <sr_sr> how can I destroy my snapshots ?[11:29:26] <mui> zfs destroy rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-8@install[11:29:30] <mui> :P[11:29:58] <sr_sr> ok thanks[11:30:19] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[11:31:27] <tsoome> since some snapshots are part of boot environments managed by beadm, you may wanna use beadm to remove unneeded ones.[11:31:40] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[11:33:57] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[11:34:51] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[11:35:13] *** pablomh has joined #opensolaris[11:39:48] <sr_sr> <mui><piwi><tsoome> thanks guys[11:39:51] *** dalibor has quit IRC[11:40:00] <sr_sr> OpenSolaris rocks[11:40:10] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[11:42:01] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[11:42:17] <jnss> any guesses when the new version will be out?[11:43:10] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[11:43:32] <causality> i guess sometime this year[11:44:07] <lblume> It could depend on which calendar system you're using though.[11:44:19] <Shoggoth> lol[11:44:54] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[11:47:02] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[11:49:01] <madwizard> According to Hebrew Valendar 2010 is 3710 years late[11:49:13] <lblume> If the system is shut down before a scrub is completed, will it resume? And from the start, or where it stopped?[11:49:14] <madwizard> 3760[11:49:29] <madwizard> Hebrew Calendar[11:49:30] <madwizard> Drat[11:49:34] <madwizard> This time of the hour again[11:49:38] <galt> madwizard: you fail at math ;P[11:49:39] <madwizard> When I can't spell[11:49:45] <madwizard> galt: At typing[11:50:40] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[11:50:59] <madwizard> Coffee?[11:52:49] *** chendy has quit IRC[11:52:52] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[11:58:41] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:00:01] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[12:05:06] *** tomww has quit IRC[12:11:15] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:12:04] <echobinary> AZIZ!! LIGHT!!![12:16:03] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:18:29] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[12:19:12] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[12:21:52] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[12:22:48] <Psi-Jack> Does Zones only do OpenSolaris "Zones", or can it do other OS's such as Linux?[12:22:56] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:22:57] <Psi-Jack> Or is that what xVM is for, doing other OSs?[12:23:10] <CosmicDJ> Psi-Jack: google brandz[12:23:45] <tsoome> man zonecfg[12:24:08] <tsoome> and yes, it can do linux and solaris 8/10 zones[12:24:24] <Psi-Jack> Cool. :)[12:24:39] <CosmicDJ> just 8 and 10?[12:25:04] <lewellyn> smrt: explain brandz[12:25:06] <smrt> A great way to use zones to implement other operating systems. Currently, there are brands for Solaris 8 and 9 for SPARC and Linux for x86. See also: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz and zones.[12:25:23] <lewellyn> i guess solaris 10 should be added to that factlet[12:25:36] <lewellyn> they're "New in 2010.1H", right?[12:26:19] <Psi-Jack> Aight, cool. Bookmarked, so I can get back to that. Heh[12:27:08] <galt> they've slipped it so far back tat even hex doesn't suffice?[12:27:09] <Psi-Jack> Just got back from taking a break, now I'm trying to look into what I need to do to setup two OpenSolaris servers to handle HA routing for lan/dmz<->internet[12:27:42] <CosmicDJ> why is it called 2010.1H btw? one handed? 1 hour to go? 1 hecto? only runs on the hitachi H? only for heroin addicts?[12:27:59] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[12:29:09] <iMax> probably first half of 2010, wouldn't commit to a month anymore :)[12:29:35] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[12:29:51] <CosmicDJ> great[12:29:59] <trochej> It is a respin number in eighteen base[12:30:14] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[12:30:15] <lewellyn> base64 ;)[12:30:19] <trochej> hehehe[12:30:21] <Psi-Jack> Heh.[12:30:49] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[12:30:59] <Psi-Jack> Does OpenSolaris have like keepalived VRRP, or UCARP or similar type HA routing methods?[12:31:09] *** chendy has quit IRC[12:31:22] <lewellyn> smrt: explain openha[12:31:23] <smrt> Open High Availability Cluster, the open-source code base of Solaris Cluster, a high availability (HA) clustering solution from Sun. See http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ha-clusters/[12:31:30] <lewellyn> like that?[12:31:36] *** hsp has quit IRC[12:31:39] * Psi-Jack takes a look.[12:31:57] <CosmicDJ> google again -> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6263-VRRP-for-Opensolaris.html[12:32:05] *** freitas has joined #opensolaris[12:33:14] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: Not sure.. That looks more like a CRM more.[12:33:28] <samc> Psi-Jack: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+vrrp/[12:33:31] <samc> so I guess not yet :)[12:34:03] <samc> also http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+vnm/Sitara[12:34:08] * lewellyn only does the A part, and lets people with more money do the H[12:34:21] <samc> haha :)[12:34:25] <Psi-Jack> Heh[12:34:26] <Psi-Jack> http://www.psi-jack.info/img/Network%20Model%203nic.png[12:34:36] <samc> fwiw, when you install OHAC it disables ipv4 routing and warns you not to turn it back on ;)[12:34:55] <Psi-Jack> That's basically what I'm trying to accomplish. FW1+FW2 being router/firewalls, and if FW1 goes down, FW2 immediately takes over.[12:35:05] *** Jondice has quit IRC[12:35:22] *** FattyAcid has quit IRC[12:35:38] <CosmicDJ> like this? :) http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html[12:35:46] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[12:35:51] <Psi-Jack> CARP is one method of it, yes.[12:36:19] *** wdp_aao has joined #opensolaris[12:36:33] <CosmicDJ> title is "PF: Firewall Redundancy with CARP and pfsync"[12:36:35] * causality remembers carp[12:36:41] * causality remembers crap too[12:36:47] <Psi-Jack> Heh[12:37:11] <Psi-Jack> Question is, how would I accomplish similar with OpenSolaris? ;)[12:37:48] <asyd> port carp :)[12:38:09] <samc> hrm, there's a package 'SUNWvrrp'[12:38:10] *** calumb has quit IRC[12:38:11] <lewellyn> pay someone to port it for you :)[12:38:25] <samc> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2240/vrrpadm-1m?a=view[12:38:26] <Psi-Jack> Come now. Solaris, with all it's power, has to have something for this. LOL[12:38:36] <samc> looks like it might be there after all[12:38:41] <lewellyn> possibly, but i've never needed it :)[12:39:36] <asyd> samc: vrrp is to share an IP, not to sync firewall sessions[12:39:44] <CosmicDJ> well VRRP is there, but IIRC solaris still lacks some firewall "synchronization"...[12:39:50] <samc> oh yeah, it won't sync firewall sessions[12:39:51] <Psi-Jack> Hmm[12:39:52] *** thistle_ has joined #opensolaris[12:39:53] <samc> I missed that requirement :)[12:40:12] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, not exactly the firewall, but the connection tracking.[12:40:24] <Psi-Jack> Though the firewall syncing would be a nice benefit too. ;)[12:41:29] <samc> bah, stateful firewalls are a fad anyway[12:41:33] <samc> they'll never last ;)[12:42:02] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, samc, not seeing that vrrp package in package manager.[12:43:02] <samc> oh sorry, it's been renamed[12:43:03] <samc> Renamed to: system/network/routing/vrrp at 0 dot 5.11-0.133[12:43:03] <samc> consolidation/osnet/osnet-incorporation[12:43:09] <samc> that's from 'pkg info -r SUNWvrrp[12:43:12] <samc> +'[12:43:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I get no packages matching that pattern when I try the same.[12:44:54] <samc> are you running dev or 0906?[12:45:00] <Psi-Jack> 0906[12:45:33] <samc> ahh right, looks like the oldest version is pkg:/SUNWvrrp at 0 dot 5.11-0.129, so you won't get it unless you go to dev[12:45:47] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh, blah.. I see.[12:46:17] <Psi-Jack> Guess I could circumvent that whole idea and put my routers into zones running debian with keepalived and conntrackd. LOL[12:46:42] <samc> you'll probably find that doesn't work unfortunately[12:47:12] <samc> conntrackd and iptables will try to talk to the linux kernel's packet filtering interface and fail miserably if you're running them in a branded zone[12:47:14] <Psi-Jack> It actually might, done right, but I guess it depends on how zones handles networking for non-native guests.[12:47:25] <Psi-Jack> hmm[12:47:40] <samc> it won't so much be the networking interface - more the netfilter kernel interface[12:47:43] <samc> which won't exist in solaris[12:47:49] <Psi-Jack> I see.[12:47:57] <Psi-Jack> Well, that.... Just sucks.[12:47:58] <Psi-Jack> LOL[12:48:12] <samc> you'd be able to do it with a pair of xvm VMs running debian, if you're dead set on running solaris on the bare metal ;)[12:48:39] <Psi-Jack> Heh. How is xVM? ;)[12:48:53] <samc> seems pretty solid, I haven't played with it a whole lot[12:49:10] <Psi-Jack> All I know about it is it's based on Xen, which is a pain in the arse itself.[12:49:13] <samc> but yeah, it's just xen by a different name, and xen works good enough[12:49:16] <samc> oh haha[12:49:17] <samc> well then[12:49:18] <samc> ;)[12:49:30] <samc> you'll probably find it's just as much of a pain in the arse then :D[12:49:40] <Psi-Jack> Probably, but ya never know. ;)[12:49:52] <samc> piece of cake to set up though[12:49:52] <houst0n> Anyone used kvm in production yet?[12:49:54] <Psi-Jack> Xen, had the basic problem of being a pain to install anything.[12:50:00] <samc> pkg instlal xvm-gui and svcadm enable milestone/xvm[12:50:01] <Psi-Jack> houst0n: I've used it, actually.[12:50:09] <houst0n> Psi-Jack: See citrix xenserver, rather nice console[12:50:28] <houst0n> Psi-Jack: Contemplating RHEL/KVM it as an alternative to esx[12:50:29] <samc> I was just using virt-install to build the guests - seemed to do a pretty nice job of it[12:50:37] <Psi-Jack> houst0n: Yeah, free for 1 year. And requires you to use Windows just to manage it. Also sucks that the host OS is unusuable.[12:50:54] <houst0n> Psi-Jack: There's an 'open xencentre' app, written in python- tho[12:50:55] <Psi-Jack> No thank you for Citrix. :p[12:51:04] <houst0n> Host OS is jsut rhel 5.x[12:51:13] <houst0n> Nowhere near as bad as esx[12:51:42] <Psi-Jack> samc: Trying that xvm-gui, we'll see where it lands me. :)[12:51:57] <samc> aight, g'luck ;)[12:51:59] <Psi-Jack> If Solaris itself can't do my routing needs, I'd have pretty much annoyingly wasted my time with it. :/[12:52:14] <samc> phft, just upgrade to dev[12:52:18] <samc> live a little :D[12:52:27] <Psi-Jack> The whole point is stability, too. :p[12:52:56] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[12:53:02] <Psi-Jack> LOL.. Okay.. xvm-gui installd... something..[12:53:20] <gebi> Psi-Jack: btw... you do _not_ want the "new" keepalived packages on linux, they are seriously broken (just because you mentioned keepalived)[12:53:26] <samc> Juniper will sell you a nice pair of firewalls that'll do automagic failover... :)[12:53:44] <Psi-Jack> gebi: 1.1.15's what I've been using.[12:54:36] *** unkn has joined #opensolaris[12:55:01] <gebi> yea thats fine[12:55:40] <CIA-21> Vladimir Kotal <Vladimir.Kotal at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2010/102 ikeadm dump algs, 6927650 provide the list of DH groups in ikeadm, 6927657 provide the list of algorithms offered by iked for IKE in ikeadm[12:55:44] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm[12:55:52] <Psi-Jack> Does pkg have a way to list the files it's installed? LOL[12:57:31] <lewellyn> pkg info?[12:57:42] <samc> pkg contents <packagename> will tell you, I think[12:58:35] <samc> and pkg -l 'depend::<packagename>' to show its dependancies[12:58:41] <samc> sorry[12:58:47] <samc> pkg search -l 'depend::<packagename>[12:58:53] <samc> +'[12:59:15] <Psi-Jack> Hmm[12:59:39] <Psi-Jack> Doesn't look like there's an actual gui at all for it.[12:59:58] *** sr_sr has quit IRC[13:00:30] <samc> virt-manager is the gui for managing the xen vms[13:00:44] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that didn't get installed. ;)[13:01:10] *** brandon has joined #opensolaris[13:01:11] <samc> oh really? hrm, maybe it wasn't a dependancy in 0906 .. it came along when I installed under 134 ;)[13:01:32] <samc> gui is a bit of an overstatement tbh[13:01:40] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[13:01:54] <Psi-Jack> Well, with Xen, especially, it makes it potentially usable. ;)[13:02:00] *** scottdickson has joined #opensolaris[13:02:17] <Psi-Jack> Keyword being: Potentially[13:03:05] <samc> xm and virsh are all you need ;)[13:06:09] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[13:06:09] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[13:08:12] <Psi-Jack> Hmm[13:08:39] <Psi-Jack> Well, I did svcadm enable, for xend:default, virtd:default.. both showing offline. :[13:09:41] *** nachox has quit IRC[13:10:08] <megaTherion> Psi-Jack: there's a switch to show reasons like svcadm -xs or somesuch[13:10:08] <samc> Psi-Jack: you'll need to svcadm enable milestone/xvm then reboot to load the hypervisor[13:10:35] <Psi-Jack> There is no milestone/xvm.[13:11:18] <samc> :o[13:11:25] <samc> I think you're missing bits of xvm then[13:11:33] <samc> which I guess would explain why you haven't got virt-manager either[13:11:39] <CosmicDJ> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+xen/2008_11_dom0[13:11:45] <Psi-Jack> I have virt-manager[13:11:46] <CosmicDJ> yeah, I'd really update to dev...[13:12:20] <Psi-Jack> LOL, sheash![13:12:38] <CosmicDJ> first google hit btw[13:12:49] *** Infern4us has joined #opensolaris[13:13:24] <Psi-Jack> Bleh.[13:13:58] <Psi-Jack> Definitely starting to look like opensolaris just isn't what I was hoping it'd be. :([13:14:21] <Psi-Jack> Good stuff otherwise, though. heh[13:15:05] <houst0n> O_o[13:16:31] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: because you're basing experiences off a year-old build and everyone keeps telling you to update to what is essentially the next release?[13:17:04] <houst0n> Hallo lewellyn[13:17:23] <CosmicDJ> halloechen[13:17:25] <houst0n> What's crackin brovva[13:17:27] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: Problem with that still is, essentially. Not yet actual. The whole idea is stability, and "dev" usually doesn't say stable. ;)[13:17:35] *** pgr has quit IRC[13:18:24] <houst0n> Psi-Jack: We're still waiting for the next "release" of osol, as per usual there's fuck all info coming out of snoracle as to why it's delayed and for how long[13:18:27] <lewellyn> houst0n: moo![13:18:34] <houst0n> Psi-Jack: so maybe try something else[13:18:35] <houst0n> :P[13:18:39] <houst0n> lewellyn: oink ?[13:18:47] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: 134 is worlds better than 111b was[13:19:13] <lewellyn> hell, apache and the cifs daemon aren't even usable in 111b[13:19:20] <CosmicDJ> yeah and even if you don't like it (or it's "unstable", you're just a reboot away from your "stable" 111b[13:19:31] <Psi-Jack> Heh Hmmm[13:19:56] <Psi-Jack> Alright alright. I'll try it.[13:20:14] <Psi-Jack> Soon as I find out where the download is. :p[13:20:31] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[13:20:31] <CosmicDJ> we'll wait until you do[13:20:57] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[13:21:47] <lewellyn> smrt: explain dev repository[13:21:49] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[13:21:49] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[13:21:51] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[13:21:55] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: there :)[13:23:27] <samc> on that note, I should upgrade from 132 to 134 .. I'm working back at the place my server is coloed at again so I can get physical access if it doesn't come back up ;)[13:23:41] <samc> any rumours on when 136 is going to drop?[13:23:43] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[13:23:58] *** dalibor has left #opensolaris[13:24:16] <samc> ahh, that's a job for another day though[13:24:18] <samc> g'night folks :)[13:24:27] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[13:24:29] <lewellyn> samc: as a binary?[13:24:36] *** wewek has left #opensolaris[13:24:38] <lewellyn> after 2009.whatever comes out, most likely[13:26:57] <mui> 10?[13:27:03] * mui pokes lew[13:27:30] * lewellyn pokes mui[13:30:06] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris[13:33:28] <Psi-Jack> Heh. That's one heck of a "plan" it has to create. ;)[13:35:18] <houst0n> Psi-Jack: You going from 0906->134 via image-update?[13:35:21] <houst0n> Good luck[13:35:55] <Psi-Jack> heh[13:36:12] <jbit> that can only end well[13:36:36] <houst0n> It bit me in the ass last week. I just burnt a 134 cd instead[13:36:53] <Psi-Jack> Well, wonderful. Cause that's what lewellyn suggested. :p[13:40:06] <lewellyn> if it fails, file a bug[13:40:24] <lewellyn> that's the upgrade path from 2009.06 -> $whatever[13:40:26] <lewellyn> :)[13:40:45] <lewellyn> would you rather a $whatever that lands faster, or a $whatever that you can actually upgrade to? ;)[13:41:47] <lewellyn> wow. i need to sleep. i read that and started answering...[13:41:56] <jbit> lewellyn: haha :)[13:42:09] <Psi-Jack> LOL[13:42:19] *** Odin- has quit IRC[13:42:19] <jbit> i've answered my own forum post before[13:42:30] <mrp> can someone please have a look at this? http://pastebin.com/m3ECDB4R[13:42:44] <mrp> i'm having trouble with one of my NICs[13:43:46] <Andys^> mrp: it means your driver version isn't compatible with the particular chipset/flavour of card[13:44:39] <mrp> Andys^: must be a slightly different chipset to e1000g0[13:44:59] <Andys^> right..[13:45:08] <Andys^> what card is it?[13:45:11] <Andys^> or are they both onboard NICs?[13:45:19] <mrp> can someone please have a look at this? http://pastebin.com/m3ECDB4R[13:45:22] <mrp> tesorry[13:45:27] <mrp> both on board intel[13:45:31] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[13:45:51] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[13:45:54] <Andys^> which motherboard?[13:46:20] <mrp> Itel S3210SHLC[13:46:42] <Andys^> hrmm[13:46:50] <Andys^> odd[13:46:59] *** qotsa has joined #opensolaris[13:47:58] <gebi> mrp: then you have one e1000 (ICH internal) and one e1000e (additional on the motherboard)[13:48:18] <mrp> gebi: thanks[13:48:37] <mrp> the e1000g1 doesn't get a ip either something up there :)[13:49:48] <Andys^> found it[13:49:54] <Andys^> one of them is a 82541PI[13:50:01] <Andys^> and the other is a 82566DM[13:51:38] <tsoome> cite: robat: opensol is way too much like linux![13:53:18] * causality has some intel S3210's[13:53:40] * Andys^ has the supermicro clone of that board[13:53:46] <causality> the 3210 runs two different NIC chips[13:53:49] <causality> for the two onbaord ports..[13:54:10] <Andys^> and one of them is run through the PCI bus :X[13:54:12] <mrp> googling now :D[13:54:17] * Andys^ vomits[13:54:23] <causality> when i tried esxi on one of those boards it only supported one of the nics[13:54:32] <causality> rev D vs F or something[13:54:43] * causality kicks esxi - the unfriendly wench[13:54:59] <mrp> how can i workout what e1000 relates to what chipset is there like "lspci" for osol? :p[13:55:15] <Andys^> mrp: try prtconf[13:55:33] <Andys^> based on a quick googling i'd guess the 82566DM is the incompatible one[13:55:50] *** gm152 has quit IRC[13:56:56] <mrp> Andys^: ta[13:57:24] <lewellyn> mrp: scanpci[13:57:55] <mrp> pci bus 0x0004 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x1076 Intel Corporation 82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller[13:58:18] <Psi-Jack> I've noticed not even scanpci is as comprehensive as lspci.[13:58:25] <mrp> pci bus 0x0000 cardnum 0x19 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x10bd Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection[13:58:31] <mrp> :)[13:58:38] <Psi-Jack> The system I have OpenSolaris on now, for example, has a sound device in it. but scanpci doesn't even show it.[13:58:39] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: it uses the same database of pci ids[13:58:46] <lewellyn> ah[13:58:51] <lewellyn> that i can't vouch for[13:58:59] <Psi-Jack> lspci does, even if it's not actively in use or has a driver for it.[13:59:31] <Andys^> 82541GI is basically the same as 82541PI, but older and not as low power. they are both PCI bus devices[13:59:57] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: yeah. It was... Strange, not seeing the actual device listed, yet I know it's there. :)[14:00:12] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: my usual answer? file a bug :)[14:00:57] * Psi-Jack chuckles.[14:01:22] <mrp> I was only going to aggregate the links no big loss :D[14:02:08] <mrp> how can i permanetly disbale the interface?[14:02:49] <lewellyn> use nwam? :)[14:03:06] <Andys^> mrp just.. dont touch it[14:03:12] <tsoome> afaik aggregation does not play with nwam. so you need to disable nwam[14:03:13] <mrp> :P[14:03:20] <Andys^> ifconfig e1000g1 unplumb[14:03:26] <lewellyn> tsoome: yes. that's part of the idea :)[14:03:39] <lewellyn> unsupported second nic, enable nwam and done :)[14:03:46] <mrp> another question[14:04:03] <mrp> init 6 reboots the machine but not back to bios?[14:04:09] <mrp> init 5 powers it off[14:04:21] <mrp> how do i reboot back to the boot loader, to load a new BE[14:04:27] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[14:04:31] <lewellyn> smrt: explain fast reboot[14:04:32] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about fast reboot...[14:04:40] <lewellyn> i thought someone taught smrt about that[14:04:55] <lewellyn> oh and use beadm[14:05:11] <houst0n> maybe smrt deleted it as it's such a pointless (and irritating) 'feature'[14:05:34] <lewellyn> it's great when you have a box that takes like 15 minutes to post :P[14:05:45] <lewellyn> mrp: man reboot beadm[14:06:01] <lewellyn> you don't need to use init 6 these days[14:06:31] <lewellyn> liveupgrade was the last reason i heard, and that's been dead for a while now[14:07:22] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[14:07:56] <mrp> ok ta[14:08:05] <houst0n> lewellyn: I stupidly assumed we were talking desktop here ;)[14:08:11] <houst0n> As.. Well.. You know[14:08:20] *** Infern4us has left #opensolaris[14:08:41] <tsoome> i would not suggest to use reboot with solaris, while it got "fixed" in opensolaris, its still bad if you have to use real solaris.[14:09:07] <lewellyn> smrt: explain reboot[14:09:12] <smrt> On OpenSolaris, "reboot" works fine. Prior Solaris releases (and SXCE) did not always work properly when invoking that command (e.g. after LiveUpgrade). On those older systems, use "init 6" instead.[14:09:21] <lewellyn> tsoome: smrt knows that already ;)[14:09:27] <tsoome> ;)[14:09:46] <lewellyn> houst0n: blurgle. i'm pissy at desktops today.[14:10:04] <Alasdairrr> This Oracle situation is untenable. I think it's time to fork OpenSolaris and produce... OpenOpenSolaris. OpenSolaris but with the bugfixes and security updates backported from the dev builds.[14:10:16] <houst0n> lewellyn: I'm pissy at desktops atm also, srss does not play well with -dev[14:10:25] <lewellyn> Alasdairrr: nothing has changed with opensolaris. please troll elsewhere. thanks.[14:10:37] <Alasdairrr> Are you kidding? You can't get support contracts on non-Sun hardware.[14:10:49] <lewellyn> houst0n: i'm having a bitch of a time getting devkitppc working well on osx this moment :P[14:10:56] <houst0n> lewellyn: Trade?[14:10:59] <lewellyn> Alasdairrr: you can't get support contracts period right now, afaik.[14:11:13] <lewellyn> houst0n: only if you'll do the work i'm trying to get devkitpro up for ;)[14:11:33] <mrp> hrm[14:11:40] <mrp> it says the be doesn't exsist :o[14:11:41] <lewellyn> Alasdairrr: not that anyone in here runs with /support anyhow :P[14:11:48] <Alasdairrr> ha :)[14:11:48] <lewellyn> mrp: what doesn't exist[14:11:49] <lewellyn> ?[14:12:30] <Alasdairrr> Well so much "nice stuff" has been added since 2009.06 that it'd be painful so stick to it. But 2010.03 might be quite a good release to stick with until the next release.[14:12:44] <lewellyn> screw this shit. i'll clone an XP vm and use that for dev stuff[14:12:51] <tsoome> sort of fail to see why should i buy support for beta software which is getting updates in about 2 week intervals anyhow[14:13:03] <lewellyn> Alasdairrr: most of that's not made it into an SRU though[14:13:06] *** randw has joined #opensolaris[14:13:23] <lewellyn> tsoome: yeah. if i'm needing something supportable, i'm running solaris 10[14:13:34] <tsoome> exactly.[14:13:38] <mrp> whats the proper way to shutdown?[14:13:40] <mrp> init 6?[14:13:44] <mrp> sorry init 5?[14:13:53] <tsoome> init 5 is shutdown + poweroff[14:14:03] <tsoome> init 6 is shutdown and reboot[14:14:19] <lewellyn> you can just type "poweroff" :)[14:14:21] <Alasdairrr> Yeah I use init 5 to shut down.[14:14:37] <lewellyn> same caveats as the reboot factlet[14:14:38] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[14:14:40] <tsoome> init 0 is shutdown to prom prompt on sparc.[14:14:48] <lewellyn> (i.e. bad habit if you use solaris 10, too)[14:14:52] <tsoome> on x86 it will ask press any key[14:15:02] <tsoome> you have screwed if you dont have that key.[14:15:05] <tsoome> :P[14:15:17] <tsoome> you are*[14:15:22] <Alasdairrr> OpenSolaris /support is much akin to RHEL, while /dev is akin to Fedora. What we need is a "CentOS" equivalent.[14:15:25] <lewellyn> tsoome: THAT'S what the blank key on my type 7 is![14:15:40] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[14:15:46] <tsoome> do we?[14:15:56] <tsoome> i have no need for it.[14:16:11] <lewellyn> imo, centos exists because redhat sucks[14:16:16] <tsoome> and i have no idea what is fedora or centos[14:16:24] <Alasdairrr> CentOS exists because RHEL is not free.[14:16:33] *** xqterry has joined #opensolaris[14:16:39] <lewellyn> smrt: explain project kyoto[14:16:42] <Alasdairrr> But CentOS is a freely available carbon copy of RHEL built from the sources.[14:16:49] <smrt> An OpenSolaris distribution which aims to provide bug and security fixes, new drivers, and additional applications, while maintaining compatibility with the core OpenSolaris release. See also: http://chototsumoushinp.dip.jp/projectkyoto[14:17:06] <Alasdairrr> Ohh[14:17:06] <tsoome> how can you call any linux free is beyond me anyhow:P[14:17:08] <Alasdairrr> Awesome[14:17:12] <madwizard> Alasdairrr: However not every patch and not every tool is available for CentOS[14:17:15] <Alasdairrr> Thanks lewellyn[14:17:22] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[14:17:24] <madwizard> RH also sells tools you can't have for free[14:17:24] <lewellyn> Alasdairrr: there's a bot with a search function ;)[14:17:45] <lewellyn> smrt: explain world domination[14:17:46] <smrt> Better not get your hopes up, e^ipi is devoting lots of resources at that project![14:17:51] <lewellyn> ah.[14:17:51] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[14:18:01] * lewellyn searched for project and that came up in the eresults[14:18:21] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[14:18:33] <mrp> would it possible for a windows machine on my network to write to my serber @100MB/s but when i connect via ubuntu it only does ~30MB/s?[14:19:00] <tsoome> mrp: explain better[14:19:29] <tsoome> you mean you ubuntu on same hw is doing 30M/s[14:19:31] <tsoome> ?[14:19:36] <tsoome> your*[14:19:43] <mrp> when using my windows shares on my osol box via windows I get writes of 100MB/s (gigabit max) but via ubuntu i only do 30MB/s?[14:19:44] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[14:19:48] <mrp> tsoome: yes :)[14:20:11] <tsoome> smb share i assume?[14:20:26] <mrp> tsoome: yeah[14:20:35] <tsoome> either smb mount in ubuntu sucks or network driver does.[14:21:10] <mrp> ill try rsync via ssh should i be able to max a gigabit network with that?[14:21:28] <xqterry> hi. I added "local0.info /var/log/app_log" in /etc/syslog.conf and write logs in PHP, it does not work. but "local0.debug /var/log/app_debug_log" works, could anyone help?[14:21:29] <mrp> my osol box can do the speed i know it can 9 x RAIDZ2 7200RPM disks[14:22:36] <tsoome> xqterry: look into your app source, what level of messages is it producing.[14:22:38] <gebi> mrp: with openssh you can't really get to gbit speed because it has bad buffer handling (~75mb/s should be possible)[14:23:42] *** emptyness47 has joined #opensolaris[14:25:37] <xqterry> tsoome: "syslog(LOG_DEBUG, ...)" works, but "syslog(LOG_INFO, ..." not[14:26:14] <tsoome> is the log file there?[14:26:30] <tsoome> syslogd wont create log file for you[14:27:17] <tsoome> also make sure you dont have spaces etc between local0.info and file name, and after file name[14:27:36] <tsoome> field separator there is tab only[14:28:25] <tsoome> if you have space after file name by mistake, the syslogd is stupid enough not to strip it.....[14:29:22] <xqterry> just checked, it is "local0.info\tifdef(`LOGHOST', /var/log/php_applog, @loghost)", no spaces[14:29:43] <lewellyn> tsoome: s/syslogd/m4/ # :)[14:29:44] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[14:30:12] <tsoome> m4 or not, but its syslogd who will open the file;)[14:30:43] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[14:34:19] *** ozux has quit IRC[14:40:09] <xqterry> tsoome: thank you, it works. there was a space ...[14:41:11] *** fedreric has joined #opensolaris[14:41:38] *** brandini has left #opensolaris[14:42:00] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[14:42:58] <lewellyn> Mon Apr 12 12:47:42 UTC 2010[14:43:06] <lewellyn> wtf. who does mail maintenance at this hour!?[14:44:54] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[14:45:19] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[14:45:19] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[14:48:14] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[14:48:55] *** silas- has quit IRC[14:50:24] <madwizard> lewellyn: Leeenoox learnt admins :)[14:50:57] <lewellyn> sadly no[14:50:57] <madwizard> Coffee[14:51:11] <madwizard> I know[14:51:29] <lewellyn> madwizard: also, dunno if you were around when i said it, i'm sorry to hear about your country's loss :([14:51:55] *** Psi-Jack has left #opensolaris[14:52:26] <Spencer_tt> trochej: is madwizard your long lost clone :P[14:52:42] <mrp> how can i monitor how fast rsync is going?[14:54:12] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[14:54:31] <xqterry> Hi, why does syslog also write *.info logs to *.debug? how can i avoid?[14:55:25] <lblume> You can't. Solaris syslog will write all messages of the given level *and above* to the file.[14:55:40] <lewellyn> find a new syslogd if you need something else :)[14:55:46] *** edude03 has quit IRC[14:55:55] <lewellyn> again, this is one of those historical + preference things[14:56:10] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[14:56:24] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[14:56:35] <mrp> must be something up with ubuntu network driver :([14:57:08] <xqterry> thanks[14:57:34] *** ikonia has joined #opensolaris[14:57:52] <lblume> lewellyn: Any hope to get some upgrade on this front? I've never seriously considered upgrading syslogd, though it has annoyed me more than once.[14:58:10] <lewellyn> i've actually never found it annoying....[14:58:17] <lewellyn> well, not that behavior anyhow :)[14:58:31] <lewellyn> and you know the plans about the future of syslogd as well as i do ;)[14:59:25] <lblume> No, that one is fine by me too. What I don't like is the way to make exceptions, using facility.none.[14:59:41] *** loke has joined #opensolaris[15:01:12] *** ttys0_ has joined #opensolaris[15:03:31] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:03:40] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[15:04:01] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[15:04:41] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[15:04:41] *** Odin- has quit IRC[15:07:44] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:08:24] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:08:58] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:09:10] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:10:03] <xqterry> so syslogd might not be what i want, is there a centralized log system supports async api?[15:11:01] <tsoome> syslog is only central log system in use in unix systems (in general)[15:11:40] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[15:12:23] <kokotier> will 2010[15:12:42] <kokotier> will 2010.03 renamed to 2010.04?^[15:13:03] <Alasdairrr> kokotier: My understanding is no, but nothing would surprise me.[15:13:23] <madwizard> kokotier: Please, ask you local Larry Ellison representative[15:13:25] <madwizard> :)[15:13:38] <nachox> lblume, i dont think you can upgrade syslog like that in solaris, its too tightly integrated with everything else. What you *can* do is install central syslog repository in say a linux with syslog-ng[15:13:41] <Stric> kokotier: It's not really called anything until release, so then there's nothing to rename..[15:13:47] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[15:14:14] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[15:14:14] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[15:15:06] *** achester has quit IRC[15:15:06] <kokotier> I prefer to have a late stable version :)[15:15:16] <Alasdairrr> Stric: Not strictly true, a lot of documentation has been written already with 2010.03 in it[15:15:22] <Shoggoth> let's hope it doesn't end up being 2010.05[15:15:26] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:15:33] <lewellyn> sed -e s/2010.03/2010.1H/g[15:16:07] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:16:20] <Alasdairrr> I've heard there aren't going to be any more dev releases until 2010.H1 comes out[15:16:53] <mrp> is 30MB/s on gigabit network is max if non-jumbo?[15:17:04] <mrp> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/07/gigabit-ethernet-and-back-of-the-envelope-calculations.html[15:17:17] <Alasdairrr> mrp: No - you can easily get 100MB/sec on gigE without jumbo frames[15:17:30] <kokotier> 110MB/s when its working very well[15:17:38] <Alasdairrr> even my domestic soho network can manage it[15:17:42] <mrp> hrmm[15:17:44] <lewellyn> Alasdairrr: that'd be approximately how 2009.06 worked. the dev repo had the RC[15:17:47] <mrp> bloody ubuntu[15:17:48] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[15:18:17] <Alasdairrr> lewellyn: Is that why ON is 136 but IPS is stuck at 134?[15:18:21] <kokotier> mrp are u sur its ubuntu?[15:18:30] <mrp> kokotier: pretty sure[15:18:45] <Stric> mrp: there are lots of factors involved, mostly your hardware[15:18:59] <kokotier> have you tested with the same hardware and another OS?[15:19:06] <mrp> rsync via ssh to my osol box gets 30MB/s[15:19:09] <lewellyn> Alasdairrr: that'd be my guess[15:19:17] <mrp> same with SMB[15:19:32] <mrp> but from a windows box (same switch) gets 100+MB/s[15:19:34] <Stric> mrp: and if you just push the network instead of network+disk+cpu ?[15:19:48] <kokotier> change port[15:19:50] <mrp> im going to get iperf going now[15:19:51] <kokotier> cable[15:19:56] <Stric> you don't measure network speed with rsync over ssh[15:19:56] <Alasdairrr> lewellyn: What's your relationship to OpenSolaris/Oracle/Sun if you don't mind me asking?[15:20:13] <lewellyn> "third-party"[15:20:22] <lewellyn> i run solaris on my boxes[15:20:30] <Alasdairrr> code contributor? evangalist?[15:20:36] <effnorwood> hey guys[15:20:45] <madwizard> hey guy[15:20:47] <lewellyn> i don't think i've contributed anything to anything official yet[15:20:54] * effnorwood gets some coffee[15:20:58] <lewellyn> unless jucr counts?[15:21:04] <lewellyn> i'm a bitcher and moaner :)[15:21:06] <Alasdairrr> :)[15:21:12] <Alasdairrr> Are you over in the states?[15:21:17] <lewellyn> yes[15:21:19] <effnorwood> lewellyn: if stop spending all your time on smrt maybe you'd get something done[15:21:29] <lewellyn> effnorwood: if i spent all my time on smrt, IT would be done[15:21:35] *** cron0 has joined #opensolaris[15:21:35] <Shoggoth> lol[15:21:48] <effnorwood> touche'[15:21:50] <lewellyn> been spending the past couple hours trying to figure this out... http://nopaste.info/c3aa84de11.html[15:22:22] <lewellyn> afaict, i shouldn't be seeing that on solaris :P[15:22:32] <kokotier> lewellyn is the scientology guy ;)[15:22:38] <lewellyn> but i think it's time for getting back to my dev environment and postponing that error[15:22:57] <Shoggoth> kokotier: whoosh![15:23:00] <lewellyn> kokotier: no. i tried infiltrating their organization, but they told me that i can't have an e-meter, so i left ;)[15:23:53] <tomww> lewellyn has his very own ideas of the world, that doesn't qualify him[15:23:58] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[15:24:06] <tomww> for such a club[15:24:07] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:24:14] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[15:24:20] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:24:24] *** edude03 has quit IRC[15:24:41] <kokotier> http://nopaste.info/c3aa84de11.html[15:24:47] <kokotier> hardto find out[15:25:26] <lewellyn> kokotier: yeah. that is not a pleasant message[15:25:31] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:25:51] *** MattBenjamin has joined #opensolaris[15:26:11] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:26:56] <Alasdairrr> lewellyn: Building nginx?[15:27:35] <lewellyn> yeah.[15:27:39] <lewellyn> i do it every year or so ;)[15:27:48] <lewellyn> updating from 0.7.3x[15:27:50] <Alasdairrr> Not sure if this is relevant: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/pkgsrc-users/2010/03/20/msg011950.html[15:27:54] <lewellyn> (solaris 10, btw)[15:28:22] <lewellyn> hm. i'm using gccfss[15:28:52] <lewellyn> i didn't see this show up on the nginx list[15:29:01] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[15:29:22] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[15:29:30] <mrp> hrmm[15:29:35] <Alasdairrr> What's gccfss?[15:29:46] <lewellyn> smrt: explain gccfss[15:29:47] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about gccfss...[15:29:50] <lewellyn> bah[15:29:57] <lewellyn> it's gcc with a studio backend[15:30:07] <lewellyn> they've got a project on os.o[15:30:13] <Alasdairrr> Curious[15:30:32] <Alasdairrr> Is it SPARC only?[15:30:38] <lewellyn> yes[15:30:48] <lewellyn> that's what the "fss" stands for :) "for sparc systems"[15:31:07] <Alasdairrr> Ahh, we don't have any SPARC machines sadly :)[15:31:23] <lewellyn> my prod is all S10/SPARC atm[15:31:39] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[15:32:21] <mrp> http://pastebin.com/xv81Tdm3[15:32:30] <mrp> does that look like gigabit throughput to be expected?[15:33:33] <CosmicDJ> what do you think?[15:33:50] <Alasdairrr> looks pretty good[15:34:17] <mrp> :D[15:34:41] *** MikeTLive has quit IRC[15:41:00] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[15:42:28] *** xqterry has quit IRC[15:42:52] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[15:47:23] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:47:36] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:47:37] *** trusiad has joined #opensolaris[15:48:12] *** cudgel has joined #opensolaris[15:49:15] *** asdtemp has joined #opensolaris[15:49:16] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:49:32] <asdtemp> hi[15:49:49] <Alasdairrr> Yo[15:49:57] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:50:10] <trusiad> Hi everyone[15:51:07] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[15:52:17] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[15:52:46] *** nahamu has joined #opensolaris[15:52:49] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[15:54:13] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[15:55:18] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[15:55:23] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[15:56:04] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:56:17] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:57:18] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[15:57:58] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[15:58:06] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[15:58:38] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[16:02:11] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[16:02:31] *** pizdec has joined #opensolaris[16:02:31] *** pizdec_ has joined #opensolaris[16:02:39] *** richb has joined #opensolaris[16:02:45] *** pizdec_ has quit IRC[16:03:34] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[16:10:03] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[16:10:26] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[16:10:39] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[16:10:54] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[16:13:00] <forquare> A rather odd request: I'm looking to prove that by using a zone I can increase the overall stability of a server (if the app falls over it can't the the machine with it). Does anyone know of a program/script that would bring down a server if it was running in the glabal zone, but wouldn't take the system down if it ran in a non-global zone?[16:13:22] *** astra-x has quit IRC[16:13:45] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[16:14:09] *** dama0 has joined #opensolaris[16:14:39] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[16:15:02] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[16:15:36] <Stric> forquare: both are running on the same kernel.. but if something is running as root and goes berzerk and kills random processes; sure[16:15:40] <RoyK^> hi all. how can I check if a file is open? I tried with fuser, but it didn't seem to work[16:15:53] <Stric> but then zones isn't the solution.. fixing the app is..[16:16:08] *** hnhn has quit IRC[16:16:16] <forquare> Thank Stric[16:17:06] <Stric> RoyK^: pfiles on all processes and see if the filename turned up.. or lsof -n|grep filename[16:18:50] <CosmicDJ> RoyK^: how did you call fuser?[16:18:57] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[16:19:08] *** wdp_aao_ has joined #opensolaris[16:19:40] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[16:19:44] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[16:20:19] *** Muril-BR has joined #opensolaris[16:20:29] <Muril-BR> Algum brasileiro?[16:21:05] *** yarihm has quit IRC[16:21:11] *** Muril-BR has quit IRC[16:21:19] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[16:21:48] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[16:22:24] *** wdp_aao has quit IRC[16:22:24] *** wdp has quit IRC[16:23:06] <funbun> is it normal for zfs with dedup and lzjb compression to be unbearably slow on a 1.6ghz atom? unbearably slow ~ 1MB/s[16:23:40] <Stric> dedup wants lots and lots of ram for lookup tables[16:23:44] <Stric> how many gigs do you have?[16:23:58] *** asdtemp has left #opensolaris[16:24:02] <Stric> and an 1.6GHz atom is quite slow as well[16:24:25] <Stric> don't expect wonders with the slowest cpu you can buy[16:26:14] <crazed> that sounds like a terrible idea[16:26:23] <crazed> zfs dedup and compression with a slow cpu[16:27:15] *** asmynoun has joined #opensolaris[16:27:38] *** asmynoun has left #opensolaris[16:28:58] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[16:33:07] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[16:33:29] <RoyK^> CosmicDJ: fuser filename.dat[16:34:29] <RoyK^> Stric: no lsof on osol, it seems[16:35:25] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[16:35:58] <RoyK^> seems perhaps fuser fn works after all and that my testing was wrong[16:36:05] <Stric> Then install it, it's a good tool.[16:36:12] <crazed> lsof <3[16:36:14] <RoyK^> Stric: pkg search doesn't list it[16:36:39] <Stric> Didn't say it was included[16:36:48] *** houst0n has left #opensolaris[16:39:14] <nachox> lsof is an odd tool, it relies in things that are not commited interfaces in solaris so it may or may not work[16:39:17] <nachox> use pfiles[16:39:23] <nachox> slower but safer[16:39:38] <Stric> and you have to iterate over processes by yourself etc[16:40:04] <CosmicDJ> RoyK^: I doubt it works that way...[16:41:13] <jbk> the big piece missing is being able to map sockets back to processes[16:41:50] *** twisti has quit IRC[16:42:57] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[16:44:29] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[16:45:14] *** deet has quit IRC[16:45:58] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:47:30] *** megaTherion has quit IRC[16:48:08] *** pizdec has quit IRC[16:48:36] *** TomJ has quit IRC[16:49:32] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[16:49:46] *** twisti has quit IRC[16:50:16] *** pizdec has joined #opensolaris[16:50:18] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[16:52:06] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:56:19] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[16:56:20] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[16:57:47] *** pgr has quit IRC[16:59:37] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[17:03:39] *** strato has quit IRC[17:03:59] <nachox> jbk, i agree. the -p flag in the linux netstat is useful[17:05:57] *** strato has joined #opensolaris[17:08:09] *** stewart has quit IRC[17:10:39] <Dagobert> RoyK: Try pcp[17:11:06] *** merzo has quit IRC[17:11:26] <Dagobert> Relies on pfiles, but wraps niecly in a shellscript: http://www.unix.ms/pcp/[17:11:44] *** Yada has joined #opensolaris[17:12:02] *** Yada has left #opensolaris[17:14:30] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[17:19:43] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[17:19:45] *** unkn has quit IRC[17:23:55] <Nemesis> is there a way to enable multi-color console in solaris like linux has?[17:24:08] <jkimball4> set your TERM[17:24:22] <Nemesis> it has to be client side?[17:24:42] <jkimball4> yep[17:24:44] <Nemesis> my client is already set, but thats not what I mean[17:24:54] <Nemesis> everything is 1 color on the client[17:24:57] <jkimball4> export TERM=xterm-color[17:25:06] <Nemesis> my directories need to be 1 color[17:25:15] <Nemesis> my executable files need to be 1 color[17:25:22] <Nemesis> so on and so forth like linux has it[17:25:31] <jkimball4> that's all settings[17:25:33] <lewellyn> smrt: explain $TERM[17:25:34] <smrt> OpenSolaris still ships with old termcap/terminfo databases. You can manually fix it (exercise for the reader), you can wait for someone else to fix it for everyone, or you can try a third-party script: http://su.pr/6SJzaX You really don't want to start changing your $TERM around unless you know you need to, really. See also: http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#xterm_terminfo[17:25:45] <jkimball4> it's not a linux thing, it's configuration thing[17:25:54] <lewellyn> jkimball4: it's ancient terminal databases[17:26:06] <lewellyn> oh![17:26:10] <lewellyn> you mean ls --color[17:26:23] <lewellyn> fix $TERM and then ls --color will work[17:26:30] <jkimball4> :)[17:26:30] <lewellyn> see the su.pr link[17:26:44] <Nemesis> yes lewellyn, but can you set it that way by default?[17:26:53] <lewellyn> man ls[17:27:08] <Nemesis> ok[17:27:10] <lewellyn> but you need a not-broken terminal database, if you are using solaris ls instead of gnu ls[17:27:21] <lewellyn> maybe for gnu ls, too. i don't know :D[17:28:20] <Nemesis> hmmm..ok..thx[17:28:39] <lewellyn> you probably want to update the terminal database[17:28:50] <lewellyn> otherwise you'll be in here later asking why some other app has no color ;)[17:28:58] <Nemesis> k[17:31:37] *** megaTherion has joined #opensolaris[17:33:05] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[17:33:24] *** strato has quit IRC[17:33:29] <Nemesis> that script does not affect things on ssh side[17:35:56] *** strato has joined #opensolaris[17:37:53] *** |Inthewings| has joined #opensolaris[17:37:54] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[17:38:53] *** xqterry has joined #opensolaris[17:38:56] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[17:39:25] *** rkeene has joined #opensolaris[17:42:10] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:44:38] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:44:44] <Nemesis> that script did not work[17:44:50] *** samc has quit IRC[17:45:34] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[17:47:12] <lewellyn> Nemesis: define "on ssh side" and "did not work" please?[17:47:20] <lewellyn> does ls --color not give color output?[17:47:25] <lewellyn> is vim still black and white?[17:48:16] <Nemesis> ls --color works[17:48:37] <Nemesis> I get all my colors with that[17:48:57] <Nemesis> but I was just wanting it that way by default instead of typing in --color each time[17:49:03] <lewellyn> man ls[17:49:05] <Nemesis> k[17:49:27] <lewellyn> there's an environment variable, LS_OPTIONS or some such[17:50:27] <Nemesis> control whether color is used to distinguish file[17:50:27] <Nemesis> types. WHEN may be `never', `always', or `auto'[17:52:26] <lewellyn> that's not an environment variable[17:52:43] * lewellyn doesn't have the man page readily available[17:53:38] <Nemesis> By default, color is not used to distinguish types of files.[17:53:38] <Nemesis> That is equivalent to using --color=none. Using the --color[17:53:39] <Nemesis> option without the optional WHEN argument is equivalent to[17:53:39] <Nemesis> using --color=always. With --color=auto, color codes are[17:53:39] <Nemesis> output only if standard output is connected to a terminal[17:53:39] <Nemesis> (tty). The environment variable LS_COLORS can influence the[17:54:09] <lewellyn> Nemesis: 1) please don't flood the channel. 2) that's not a useful snippet[17:54:21] * lewellyn curses http://www-cdn.sun.com/share/metrics/metrics_group1.js for being good at killing browsers[17:55:28] <Nemesis> what do you mean its not a useful snippet?[17:55:34] <CIA-21> Marek Pospisil <Marek.Pospisil at Sun dot COM>: 6930152 6192139 (no reboot audit -- PSARC/2009/354) points out less than optimal performance in libbsm[17:55:36] <CIA-21> Dan McDonald <danmcd at opensolaris dot org>: 6440625 ipsecconf: unresolvable address should give specific error message, 6925293 ipsecconf(1M) needs a receive-buffer increase for SPD_DUMP, 6925300 combined-mode check in ipsecconf(1M) is inaccurate, will fail with libumem, 6925307 combined-mode ciphers shouldn't expand with encr_auth_algs when "any" is present.[17:55:54] <lewellyn> Nemesis: that doesn't say which enviroment variable holds the options for ls[17:55:58] <Nemesis> if it wasnt useful it would not be in the manual[17:56:12] <Nemesis> thats all it sais though[17:56:37] <lewellyn> let me get the man page up[17:56:46] *** trusiad has left #opensolaris[17:56:51] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[17:57:40] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[17:58:07] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[17:58:59] <Nemesis> lewellyn, here is the command I was looking for..[17:59:01] <Nemesis> alias "ls=ls --color=auto"[17:59:38] <lewellyn> Nemesis: if you're using /usr/gnu/bin/ls you can also try export LS_OPTIONS=--color[17:59:46] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[18:00:33] <cypromis> and than set the colors used by mangling with the LS_COLORS var ..[18:01:02] <lewellyn> yes[18:01:25] <Nemesis> actually I wanted it set to always[18:01:26] <Doc> someone needs to write a color version of the "cd" command[18:01:35] * alanc sees the acquisition of a well-known and once proud technology company has been completed and waits for the disappearance of the corporate legacy to begin... http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2010/100412xa.html[18:01:39] <Nemesis> on the frst command that is[18:01:48] <Nemesis> thx for the other one lewellyn[18:01:54] <alanc> Doc: what would cd colorize? make the error messages red?[18:02:00] <Doc> alanc: didnt the oracle acquision finish weeks ago?[18:02:08] <tsoome> color pwd?[18:02:12] <Doc> ohh.. you weren't talking about that :)[18:02:12] <lewellyn> Nemesis: you don't want it set to always :)[18:02:16] <lewellyn> Nemesis: it breaks things :)[18:02:17] <alanc> color perror()[18:02:20] <Nemesis> it does?[18:02:26] <Nemesis> what does it break?[18:02:40] <Doc> ls | awk[18:02:52] <lewellyn> for one, yes :)[18:03:00] <Nemesis> thats..uhhh..retarded...[18:03:02] <Doc> awk gets fed colors, which probably isnt what you want... especially if you follow it up with an rm[18:03:13] <Nemesis> what does the always option break exactly?[18:03:17] <Doc> nemesis: you're the one that set it to "always"[18:03:18] <lewellyn> that's what the man page you pasted says[18:03:37] <lewellyn> always doesn't see if the data's going to a tty[18:03:39] <lewellyn> auto does[18:03:43] <lewellyn> that's why auto is default[18:03:46] <Nemesis> indeed I did Doc, but that does not tell me why it breaks things when I do it..[18:03:59] <Nemesis> why does the always feature break things...[18:04:00] <lewellyn> because you're feeding color to anything that does ls[18:04:11] <Doc> colors are just random (looking) ascii codes[18:04:12] <lewellyn> so things which parse ls's output will fail[18:04:15] <Nemesis> why have the feature if it breaks stuff[18:04:21] <Doc> which, say, the "rm" command doesnt understand well[18:04:21] <Nemesis> that completely stupid[18:04:22] *** ThePickle has joined #opensolaris[18:04:39] <lewellyn> Nemesis: becasue some people WANT the ability to feed colors to something that's not a tty[18:04:46] <Doc> the "reboot" command also breaks things... should that be removed too?[18:04:56] <Nemesis> so leave it at auto[18:05:00] <Doc> breaks most things that are running at the time[18:05:11] <lblume> Can you code colours in filenames?[18:05:12] <Doc> nemesis: which is what i believe people suggested you do[18:05:21] <Doc> lblume: yes[18:05:21] <lewellyn> alanc: at least that'll keep people from worrying about oracle so much[18:05:23] <lblume> Should be possible.....[18:05:30] <Nemesis> suggested I do Doc?[18:05:32] <Nemesis> where?[18:05:34] <lewellyn> Nemesis: the default is auto. you're the one who said they want always[18:05:38] <Nemesis> believe?[18:05:47] <Nemesis> i have no idea what Doc is talking about[18:05:56] <lewellyn> Nemesis: we suggested auto[18:05:59] <lewellyn> you said always[18:06:18] <lewellyn> 09:06 Nemesis: actually I wanted it set to always[18:06:20] <Nemesis> first off..nobody suggested the alias command..[18:06:29] <lewellyn> no one said to set it to always[18:06:30] <Nemesis> i had to go out and find it on my own[18:06:30] *** pogs has joined #opensolaris[18:06:33] <lewellyn> the default for --color is auto[18:06:36] *** Tusk has joined #opensolaris[18:06:39] <Nemesis> second off you told me my answer was in man[18:06:42] *** longcat has joined #opensolaris[18:06:43] <Nemesis> which it was not[18:06:50] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[18:06:53] <longcat> still no word, what a bummer[18:06:54] <Doc> Nemesis: you're right. you deserve a full refund of all consultancy fees paid[18:06:55] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:06:55] <lewellyn> i was wrong. google gave me LS_OPTIONS[18:06:58] <pogs> Hey all. Any news of when 2010.03 is coming out?[18:07:05] <lewellyn> pogs: see /topic[18:07:26] <lewellyn> Nemesis: of course if 30 seconds of googling gave it to me... ;)[18:07:27] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[18:07:37] <Nemesis> Doc you are completely useless here besides nagging...welcome to ignore champ[18:07:57] <Doc> i throw in the occasional joke too[18:08:19] <Nemesis> he is just like a troll that does not help just nags about every little thing[18:08:26] <Nemesis> totally useless space in my chat window[18:08:31] *** lewellyn sets mode: +q Nemesis!*@*[18:08:40] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[18:08:53] <TomJ> Is there a command to create the IPS manifest file from a list of files? like pkgproto but for IPS?[18:09:04] <lewellyn> Nemesis: please don't come in here, pasting many lines of flood, getting upset at people trying to help you, and then calling people trolls. thanks.[18:09:08] *** lewellyn sets mode: -q Nemesis!*@*[18:09:20] *** lattera has quit IRC[18:09:53] <alanc> TomJ: pkgsend generate[18:10:00] <TomJ> alanc: thanks[18:10:03] *** elbo has joined #opensolaris[18:10:33] <Nemesis> help?[18:10:43] <Nemesis> where?[18:10:50] <Stric> ah. Nemesis is still blissfully ignored here..[18:10:54] <madwizard> Nemesis: Stop calling people trolls, you'll get help[18:10:59] <lewellyn> Stric: he's about to be banned[18:11:02] * lewellyn is cranky[18:11:06] <Stric> works fine for me too[18:11:33] <lblume> lewellyn: Here, have some coffee.[18:12:06] <Nemesis> lewellyn take your non help and shove it right the fuck up your ass[18:12:10] *** Nemesis has left #opensolaris[18:12:11] * Stric added -replies to his ignore to cut down a bit more crap[18:12:38] <lblume> Oh, he slammed the door real hard when he got back to his room to sulk![18:12:39] <TomJ> re the ls stuff - of course, you shouldn't ever be parsing ls's output anyway. so the colours shouldn't really brea anything, because you shouldnt be programaticcaly using it in the irst place[18:12:45] <TomJ> parsing ls causes all sorts of general problems[18:13:07] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[18:13:13] <TomJ> the only place you absolutely have to do it, to my knowledge, is getting ACLs. or if you want perms etc but don't have stat[18:13:41] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:14:16] <lblume> There's no other way than ls to get ACL's nowadays?[18:14:18] *** bahamat has joined #opensolaris[18:14:27] <TomJ> lblume: not that I know of - happy to be corrected[18:14:36] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[18:14:37] *** elbo has quit IRC[18:14:44] *** elbo has joined #opensolaris[18:16:08] <lblume> I was wondering about that some time ago, I think you're right.[18:16:09] *** swift has quit IRC[18:16:14] <thistle_> zpool list says that I have 620G alloc, df -h says there is 367G but du -sh says there is 13K. How does that work?[18:16:33] <thistle_> There was around 600G but I deleted it.[18:16:39] *** milek has quit IRC[18:16:55] <TomJ> thistle_: zpool is the raw figure, before mirroring. hence why you have half that, 367G actually available. not sure in the difference between 367G and 13k, that would depend on snapshots etc[18:17:15] <TomJ> ah yes that's the reason - if you have snapshots in place and deleted data, you wont actually get any freed space -it is still used by the snapshots[18:17:36] <TomJ> hence df says nothing is used, but zfs says 367GB is used by a snapshot[18:17:42] <lblume> thistle_: zfs list -t all will give you a detailed map of the pool[18:17:44] <TomJ> do zfs list -t all # to see snapshots etc[18:18:26] <lblume> df/du are much less reliable on zfs since the concept of free/used space has much changed with it.[18:19:23] *** elbo is now known as whitey[18:19:45] <thistle_> I am trying to test a backup target on zfs.[18:19:58] <lewellyn> lblume: my acl copy script parses ls :P[18:20:14] <lblume> Is it in /contrib?[18:20:21] <lewellyn> no[18:20:28] <lewellyn> i can email it to you if you want[18:20:37] <thistle_> zfs list -t says there is 336G used but I can't find it. There are no snaps.[18:20:40] <lewellyn> tomorrow, not today[18:20:41] <lblume> Please :-)[18:20:49] <lewellyn> it's like a 2 liner actually[18:20:53] <lblume> It's already tomorrow, but ok ;-)[18:20:59] <lewellyn> lemme ssh in and copy/paste it[18:21:02] <whitey> running[18:21:26] <TomJ> lewellyn: what method do you use for parsing ACLs?[18:21:45] <lblume> thistle_: pastebin the output[18:21:45] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[18:21:46] <TomJ> thistle_: pastebin the output of zfs list -t all[18:22:01] <lblume> There's some echo here :-D[18:22:18] <lewellyn> TomJ: i can't really tell you since i can't ssh in right now :P[18:22:31] * lewellyn bets idmap exploded again[18:22:51] <lewellyn> seems to happen every monday on that machine, part of why i want to update it :P[18:23:09] <lewellyn> i'll get someone to poke it in an hour or so. remind me you want the script :)[18:23:39] <whitey> I'm running 0906, building my own packages, and having trouble with depend type=exclude[18:24:22] <whitey> I can import the package to the repo, but pkg barfs when I try to install the package[18:24:27] * lblume goes to poke at Chinese websites which insist on installing keyboard intercepters to provide "secure" payment....[18:24:52] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[18:25:01] <lewellyn> lblume: i need some of that kind of payment :P[18:25:23] <lblume> I doubt it :-P[18:25:54] <lewellyn> i accept coin ;)[18:25:56] <whitey> does exclude work for depend on 0906?[18:28:03] <Hedonista> smrt, explain BIOS microcode patch[18:28:04] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about BIOS microcode patch...[18:28:30] *** xqterry has quit IRC[18:29:33] *** brandon is now known as Jondice[18:29:40] <thistle_> I chopped a bit of the cruft out. http://pastebin.com/VixfwBgW[18:29:55] *** pizdec has quit IRC[18:31:03] <TomJ> so if I do e.g. pkgsend generate /opt/postfix, it gives me entries such as: dir path=html - so it doesn't mention /opt/postfix anywhere in the output[18:31:22] *** lattera has quit IRC[18:31:40] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[18:32:12] <TomJ> am I meant to add that in manually? or set it as the base for the package separately?[18:33:41] *** pizdec has joined #opensolaris[18:34:23] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[18:35:07] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:36:02] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[18:36:03] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[18:42:07] <whitey> TomJ: are you rolling your own postfix package?[18:43:12] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris[18:44:50] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[18:45:01] *** logic is now known as logic855[18:51:26] *** gebi has quit IRC[18:51:35] *** whitey has left #opensolaris[18:52:06] *** whitey has joined #opensolaris[18:55:30] <CIA-21> Cheng Sean Ye <Sean.Ye at Sun dot COM>: 6935779 Fabric xlate should look for correct RP from both BDF and Address, 6937136 TRU errors (568-572) resulting in 2 diagnosis'.[18:55:51] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[18:56:01] *** galt is now known as g4lt-mordant[18:57:37] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[18:59:28] *** strato has quit IRC[18:59:37] <whitey> anyone here creating their own packages and use the depend feature with type=exclude ?[19:00:14] *** lateau has quit IRC[19:00:41] <mui> are we there yet[19:01:07] *** strato has joined #opensolaris[19:01:28] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[19:02:46] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:03:17] * Stric is where he is supposed to be[19:03:18] <alanc> no, we're not there yet[19:03:23] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[19:05:20] *** TomJ has quit IRC[19:06:11] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[19:06:18] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[19:06:25] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[19:07:34] *** Macer has quit IRC[19:07:43] *** Macer has joined #opensolaris[19:08:28] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[19:09:43] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[19:10:13] <effnorwood> i might be if someone will riddle me this:[19:10:36] <effnorwood> if i am going to just use COMSTAR iSCSI, no dedup in production, what release should I use?[19:11:13] <sickness> wait for the 2010.03 release[19:11:25] <lewellyn> i'd say solaris 10, because of the "production" bit...[19:11:34] *** zynox has quit IRC[19:11:48] <effnorwood> lewellyn: no comstar in S10 tho right?[19:12:01] <lewellyn> that's why i'm not outright saying it :P[19:12:09] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:12:17] <lewellyn> there's an iscsi provider on solaris 10, but i don't do iscsi, so i can't advise[19:12:42] <effnorwood> i have been using 131 and it's been great until i turn on dedup - then bad things start happening[19:13:05] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[19:13:35] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[19:13:45] *** Jenkens has joined #opensolaris[19:14:09] <strato> I have dedup on only on the Filesystem where I keep my VMs[19:14:36] <effnorwood> how about this then - if i use say 134, when the release comes out, is the upgrade path just like from snv to snv?[19:15:31] <effnorwood> strato: iscsi or nfs and how's the deup ratio?[19:15:42] <strato> 4,17[19:15:53] <effnorwood> strato: nfs or iscsi?[19:15:56] <strato> I use samba[19:16:01] <strato> no nfs[19:16:10] <effnorwood> interesting[19:16:59] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[19:17:05] <strato> It is at home[19:17:07] <strato> :)[19:17:28] <effnorwood> this will be for 50K users :)[19:17:31] <lewellyn> effnorwood: in theory, you just change the publisher back to release[19:17:59] <effnorwood> lewellyn: thanks - that was what i was looking for.[19:18:03] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[19:18:26] *** plavcik has quit IRC[19:19:03] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[19:23:42] *** calum has quit IRC[19:25:33] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[19:26:20] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris[19:28:36] <mui> WD2003FYYS are cool[19:29:16] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[19:29:17] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[19:34:37] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[19:34:50] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[19:35:10] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[19:35:17] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[19:38:18] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:38:38] *** nachox has quit IRC[19:38:48] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[19:39:47] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:40:28] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[19:41:20] *** whitey_ has joined #opensolaris[19:43:10] *** unkn has joined #opensolaris[19:43:40] *** sipior has quit IRC[19:43:46] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[19:43:54] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[19:45:19] *** whitey has quit IRC[19:45:19] *** whitey_ is now known as whitey[19:46:01] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[19:48:22] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[19:50:48] <trochej> Coffee[19:50:58] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[19:52:17] <trochej> Dedup ratio = 100%[19:54:53] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[19:55:02] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[19:55:54] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:56:00] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:56:31] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[19:58:45] *** gswain has joined #opensolaris[19:59:07] *** jacotton has joined #opensolaris[19:59:41] *** gswain has left #opensolaris[19:59:46] *** TomJ has quit IRC[20:00:17] *** _madmax_ has joined #opensolaris[20:00:27] *** timsf has quit IRC[20:01:47] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[20:02:08] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[20:02:23] *** bahamat has quit IRC[20:03:07] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[20:03:19] *** lblume has quit IRC[20:03:42] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[20:03:56] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[20:04:19] <lewellyn> oh bah. just as i got that script, lblume left![20:04:38] <lewellyn> as did tomj[20:04:40] <lewellyn> oh well. :)[20:04:42] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[20:05:01] <lewellyn> it's ugly, yet effective.[20:05:30] *** qotsa has quit IRC[20:05:46] *** _madmax_ has quit IRC[20:08:34] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[20:09:21] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[20:09:41] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[20:11:02] <balrog> hi lewellyn[20:11:27] <lewellyn> heyas[20:12:19] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[20:12:52] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[20:13:38] *** whitey is now known as whiteyOS[20:15:30] <whiteyOS> I'm having trouble with rolling my own IPS packages, specifically with using the depend feature with type=exclude on 2009.06. Anyone ever used exclude?[20:15:59] * lewellyn only has packaged ips via pkgbuild, sorry[20:16:50] <lewellyn> hm.[20:17:02] <lewellyn> i should clean this script up a bit and turn it into an article[20:17:29] <lewellyn> i mean, it's obvious to me what it's doing, but i doubt anyone else will see it that way :)[20:21:09] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[20:24:13] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[20:24:15] *** silas- has joined #opensolaris[20:25:01] *** d1b has quit IRC[20:26:20] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[20:26:28] *** stevel has quit IRC[20:27:44] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[20:29:21] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[20:29:26] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[20:31:57] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris[20:32:41] *** Erwann has quit IRC[20:36:12] *** dajune has quit IRC[20:36:41] *** dajune has joined #opensolaris[20:38:41] <whiteyOS> lewellyn: found this answer to my question http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3921#c3[20:38:50] <lewellyn> good :)[20:40:29] *** yippi_ has joined #opensolaris[20:41:36] <whiteyOS> it doesn't help much, just tells me that that kind of dependency doesn't work yet, but at least its something. I'll just have to remember to never install postfix without uninstalling sendmail first[20:41:37] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[20:42:06] <lewellyn> yeah. i have that sort of issue with msmtp :P[20:43:58] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[20:49:05] *** freitas has left #opensolaris[20:54:42] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[20:55:34] <CIA-21> Michael Corcoran <Michael.Corcoran at Sun dot COM>: 6941892 Incorrect group ownership in system/kernel/dynamic-reconfiguration/i86pc[20:55:35] <CIA-21> Pavel Filipensky <Pavel.Filipensky at Sun dot COM>: 6935556 Unable to mount sec=krb5 with NFSv4 if filesystems are shared differently, 6936129 get_root_export() should use tree_parent instead of VOP_LOOKUP("..") to find the ROOT exportinfo, 6895005 client can't access server's exported pseduo-FS after the underneath ZFS-FSs are unshared[20:55:36] <CIA-21> Sowmini Varadhan <Sowmini.Varadhan at Sun dot COM>: 6942330 valid arp reply ignored - no connectivity to lan[20:56:02] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:58:41] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[21:01:57] *** rservers has joined #opensolaris[21:05:39] *** Vince_ has joined #opensolaris[21:07:34] *** whiteyOS has quit IRC[21:07:41] *** whiteyOS has joined #opensolaris[21:11:28] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[21:12:06] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[21:16:03] *** twilling has quit IRC[21:17:24] *** stewart has quit IRC[21:20:10] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:22:32] <MattBenjamin> smrt: explain CIA[21:22:32] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about CIA...[21:22:47] *** fedreric has quit IRC[21:22:57] <lewellyn> smrt: learn CIA=They're watching you, and everything you do...[21:23:18] <Spencer_tt> apparent;y google can explain anything you type in small bites[21:23:36] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain NSA[21:23:37] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about NSA...[21:23:56] <lewellyn> ooh i have something to link for that too[21:24:14] <effnorwood> smrt: explain comstar[21:24:15] <smrt> COMSTAR is a software framework that enables you to convert any OpenSolaris host into a SCSI target device that can be accessed over a storage network by initiator hosts (think iSCSI / FC). To install COMSTAR 'pkg install storage-server SUNWiscsit'[21:24:16] *** jparker has joined #opensolaris[21:24:25] <effnorwood> good[21:24:30] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: sure[21:25:48] <lewellyn> smrt: learn NSA=♪ Call connected through the NSA / Complete transmission through the NSA / Suspending your rights for the duration of the permanent war[21:26:06] <g4lt-mordant> lewellyn: I'd have gone with the "CIA=like its namesake, pretends to have panoptical knowlege, but can't learn" ;)[21:26:07] <Spencer_tt> lol[21:26:09] *** fOB has quit IRC[21:26:18] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: nothing like song lyrics! :D[21:26:36] <lewellyn> g4lt-mordant: the only song lyrics which came to mind for the cia were not appropriate ;)[21:26:45] <Spencer_tt> all we need is a beat :) nothing to do with LAPD :p[21:27:19] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[21:27:44] <lewellyn> i added the mp3 to smrt for NSA, too[21:28:09] <Spencer_tt> :)[21:29:13] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[21:29:13] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[21:29:38] *** corretico has quit IRC[21:32:49] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:33:17] *** Vince_ has quit IRC[21:33:56] *** stevel has quit IRC[21:34:03] *** dijenerate has joined #opensolaris[21:36:31] <Spencer_tt> g4lt-mordant: the practice never makes perfect..[21:40:21] *** scottdickson has left #opensolaris[21:44:43] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[21:45:50] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: you should ask smrt about the NSA again ;)[21:45:58] <lewellyn> uh oh[21:46:01] <lewellyn> smrt: explain NSA[21:46:01] <smrt> political factlets give me headaches.[21:46:16] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: it was a they might be giants song! :([21:46:28] <sstallion_work> haha[21:46:34] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: someone changed it :D[21:46:40] <lewellyn> smrt: explain NSA[21:46:40] <smrt> ♪ Call connected through the NSA / Complete transmission through the NSA / Suspending your rights for the duration of the permanent war ♪ http://www.theymightbegiants.com/mp3/NSA.mp3[21:46:42] <pjfloyd> don't remember, which album?[21:46:44] <mui> nsa controls smrt[21:46:46] *** dalibor has quit IRC[21:46:49] * sstallion_work thinks it was the Man.[21:46:50] <lewellyn> pjfloyd: it wasn't on an album[21:47:03] <lewellyn> it's one of their little bitesized things they're pushing as ringtones now :)[21:47:27] <pjfloyd> that would explain it (have just about all of the albums)[21:47:34] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: you don't even want to know what came to mind for CIA ;)[21:47:58] <sstallion_work> haha[21:48:18] <lewellyn> i decided it'd be needlessly offensive :)[21:48:30] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[21:49:46] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: in that case you need to get in touch Steven Soderbergh or make a short comic from if applicable, maybe both if it's entertaining with official support ofcourse bwahaha.[21:50:02] <lewellyn> Spencer_tt: it was another tmbg song[21:50:11] <lewellyn> one of the more obscure ones, at that[21:50:19] <Spencer_tt> tmbg :o[21:50:20] <lewellyn> (without any downloads available)[21:50:25] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[21:50:38] <lewellyn> http://tmbw.net/wiki/Walk_On_Water[21:50:55] <lewellyn> and now... &[21:50:57] <Triskelios> yay tmbw[21:51:13] <Spencer_tt> who needs that when we have hover crafts, ofcourse I'm making a point to miss the point :p[21:52:42] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[21:54:08] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[21:54:11] *** ma3x__ has quit IRC[21:54:11] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[21:54:13] *** hudnix has quit IRC[21:55:34] <CIA-21> George Wilson <George.Wilson at Sun dot COM>: 6941175 panic assertion failed: scl->scl_writer != curthread,file: common/fs/zfs/spa_misc.c, line: 327[21:55:35] <CIA-21> Venugopal Iyer <Venu.Iyer at Sun dot COM>: 6941410 missing rtls entry points for properties[21:57:33] <Spencer_tt> lewellyn: ^^ now that Larry as boss can we have that changed to NSA-XXX?[21:57:50] *** ma3x has quit IRC[21:57:55] *** miip_ is now known as miip[21:57:56] *** ma3x__ is now known as ma3x[21:59:35] <alanc> Spencer_tt: but Larry started Oracle for the CIA, not NSA[21:59:59] <Spencer_tt> oh bummer[22:00:04] <alanc> besides, we don't get a choice - CIA is the project that does open source code integration tracking for many many projects[22:00:17] <Spencer_tt> tsk tsk[22:00:22] <Spencer_tt> what a pita[22:00:33] <Spencer_tt> opensolaris is screwed.[22:00:35] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[22:00:45] <alanc> http://cia.vc/ "The open source version control informant"[22:01:51] <Spencer_tt> I thought the CIA is a latecomer to the brainz projects[22:01:53] *** cudgel has quit IRC[22:02:45] <alanc> "The name Oracle came from the code name of a CIA project which the founders had all worked on while at the Ampex Corporation." - Wikipedia says so, so it must be true.[22:03:05] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[22:03:36] <Spencer_tt> no comment on wikipedia[22:04:11] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[22:05:55] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[22:07:44] <Spencer_tt> anyway it explains the whole lot of problems Sun is facing playing out in public, I though Oracle was good at calculating periods and all.[22:08:12] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[22:09:44] <alanc> Oracle is much better than Sun at keeping things secret.[22:09:56] <longcat> less need to whoop and hype[22:10:33] <Spencer_tt> anyone can tell.[22:10:59] <Spencer_tt> we don't need to know about Open Source Projects[22:11:18] <Spencer_tt> what we know is enough so far ha.[22:11:54] <cron0> Question about services instances. When I 'add' a new instance, is it supported to inherit any properties at all or do I have to re-create them all by hand ?[22:13:54] <cron0> hmm, it seems I can add property groups that are defined in other instances[22:14:07] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[22:16:16] *** pangu has joined #opensolaris[22:16:17] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[22:20:09] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[22:20:38] *** p3rror has quit IRC[22:22:32] <causality> is there a synchronous feature/product for zfs?[22:23:18] <Triskelios> causality: for clustering?[22:23:42] *** nitrile has quit IRC[22:23:43] *** yarihm has quit IRC[22:24:08] *** astra-x has quit IRC[22:24:42] <Dagobert> causality: It was called SNDR (Sun Network Data Replicator), there is a corresponding OSOL project, forgot the name...[22:24:58] <Dagobert> It does block-replication per network[22:25:06] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:26:26] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[22:27:16] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:27:23] <causality> Triskelios to do a cheap san[22:27:25] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[22:28:43] <tomww> Availability Suite[22:28:46] <Triskelios> causality: AVS is what you want, guess it was SNDR once http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide#Using_ZFS_With_AVS[22:29:34] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[22:29:44] <causality> cool, thanks[22:31:23] <cron0> So, is it possible to duplicate a service instance? I'm trying to use zfs-auto-snapshot and would like to define a custom schedule[22:32:48] *** strato is now known as ivo_[22:33:19] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[22:33:50] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[22:34:03] <Triskelios> svccfg -s ... add ...[22:34:32] <cron0> right so I have to add the properties by hand, there's no way to copy over properties from another instance?[22:35:42] <longcat> too bad svccfg has no manual page. when is it going to be written?[22:35:56] <cron0> wow, really?[22:36:05] <Triskelios> longcat: ??[22:36:16] *** winstonw has quit IRC[22:36:24] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[22:36:40] <tsoome> you can create another instance[22:36:47] <Triskelios> cron0: guess export/import will be slightly faster, but there's no "copy" verb[22:37:34] <g4lt-mordant> longcat: there has to be at least ONE question asked every so oftent hat can't be answered RTFM ;P[22:37:38] <Triskelios> hopefully most of the properties are shared[22:37:42] <cron0> export/import works on the manifest level if I understand the docs properly and not at the instance level right?[22:37:55] <samc> NAME[22:37:55] <samc> svccfg - import, export, and modify service configurations[22:37:59] <samc> I've got a manpage for it...[22:38:01] <longcat> i've always exported, edited, imported. call me lame, but it works[22:38:06] <eviljames> g4lt-mordant: To me that indicates "you're doing it wrong..." :P All Q's should be able to be answered with RTFM.[22:38:18] <eviljames> g4lt-mordant: Any question that doesn't have an RTFM answer means the FM is wrong :P[22:39:19] <g4lt-mordant> eviljames: pssst, the parish is -----> that way[22:39:39] * eviljames hears a woosh as it flies over his head[22:39:43] <cron0> Looks like listprop will not list shared properties. Is svcprop the only way to list them?[22:41:25] *** twisti has quit IRC[22:42:05] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[22:43:47] *** nahamu has left #opensolaris[22:45:02] <Macer> hm[22:45:13] <Macer> is there some sort of burning software other than the integrated gnome stuff for X that's in the repo?[22:46:23] <sstallion_work> Macer: something wrong with Brasero?[22:46:48] <Macer> oh[22:46:53] <Macer> didn't know that's what that was[22:47:01] <Macer> i was just looking for some sort of actual app and not the integrated stuff[22:47:09] <alanc> there's always the command line interfaces to cdrecord & cdrw[22:47:22] <sstallion_work> Macer: look under Applications -> Sound & Video[22:47:39] <Macer> sstallion_work: it's headless ;)[22:47:51] <Macer> was going to ssh xforward to burn on the server[22:47:56] <sstallion_work> why?[22:48:01] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[22:48:02] <sstallion_work> just use cdrw/cdrecord as alanc mentioned[22:48:03] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[22:48:07] <g4lt-mordant> or even better, cdrw?[22:48:15] <Macer> because it's easier ;)[22:48:16] <Macer> haha[22:48:24] <sstallion_work> cdrw is pretty straightforward to use[22:48:32] <tomww> SFExcdroast.spec (dunno it that compiles cleanly these days)[22:48:43] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[22:48:45] <g4lt-mordant> and more importantl, it's not tainted by fraunhofer[22:48:52] <Macer> heh[22:48:59] <Macer> that damn fraunhofer :)[22:49:06] <balrog> g4lt-mordant: ?[22:49:16] <balrog> what's tainted by fraunhofer?[22:49:17] <g4lt-mordant> well, tell me that the next time someone talks about the mp3 patent[22:49:30] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[22:49:32] <Macer> The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.[22:49:32] <g4lt-mordant> balrog: cdrecord. schilly is a member of fraunhofer[22:49:36] <balrog> ahh[22:49:37] <Macer> awesome[22:49:50] <balrog> cdrecord has its issues too, like mixing GPL and CDDL code[22:50:13] <balrog> making it unredistributable according to nearly all lawyers[22:50:37] <g4lt-mordant> ...which lies at the exact same feet[22:50:49] *** corretico has joined #opensolaris[22:50:54] <g4lt-mordant> yet he's an OGB member[22:51:00] <balrog> g4lt-mordant: what do you mean?[22:51:15] <balrog> 16:55 < g4lt-mordant> ...which lies at the exact same feet[22:51:15] *** megaTherion has quit IRC[22:51:24] <g4lt-mordant> the guy who injected CDDL code was the same guy, who's also on OGB[22:51:59] *** vivid_ has joined #opensolaris[22:52:10] <balrog> you mean schilly?[22:52:16] <balrog> wait when did he get on OGB?[22:52:28] <g4lt-mordant> this election[22:52:38] <Spencer_tt> smrt: learn RTFM R.T.F.M means read from the manual, other definitions are misleading and point to erring frustration which leads to use of interesting expletives which start with F letters among others.[22:53:29] <Macer> hm[22:53:36] <Macer> brasero does not seem to pick up the disc[22:53:37] <Macer> wtf[22:53:57] <balrog> g4lt-mordant: I wonder how that happened :([22:54:02] <g4lt-mordant> FFS, use cdrw[22:54:34] *** vivid has quit IRC[22:54:39] *** vivid_ is now known as vivid[22:54:51] <Macer> ugh[22:55:16] <madwizard> Fuck[22:55:27] *** megaTherion has joined #opensolaris[22:55:36] *** megaTherion has quit IRC[22:55:40] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[22:56:03] *** megaTherion has joined #opensolaris[22:56:37] *** ThePickle has quit IRC[22:56:56] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[22:57:55] <Macer> do i need to be in a special group to have access to the burner or something?[22:58:00] <Macer> brasero will only let me write an iso[22:59:02] <tomww> probably "Basic Solaris User"[22:59:25] <Triskelios> Macer: does GNOME's Places menu say there is a blank disc in the drive?[23:00:28] <Macer> Triskelios: the box is headless[23:00:46] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[23:01:06] <Triskelios> why are you using brasero instead of cdrw?[23:03:16] <Macer> because i've never used cdrw ;)[23:03:18] <Triskelios> you'll need to make the device writable by your user in either case (it's normally assigned to the console user by logindevperm)[23:03:21] *** icarus901 has quit IRC[23:03:26] <Triskelios> Macer: it is the easiest program, ever[23:03:47] <Triskelios> (at least in the realm of optical media writing)[23:04:32] <Macer> well[23:04:43] <Macer> if i ran it with pfexec it should let me write to it shouldn't it? :)[23:04:51] *** deet has quit IRC[23:05:16] <Macer> yeah[23:05:19] <Macer> that's why it wasn't working[23:05:19] <Macer> thanks[23:05:33] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[23:05:33] <Macer> i don't have perms to the device to write to it[23:05:45] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[23:07:03] <Macer> it is not possible to write with the current set of plugins[23:07:05] <Macer> wtf?[23:07:12] <Macer> i can't wrote a +DL dvd?[23:07:14] <Macer> wow[23:07:35] <g4lt-mordant> ahh, it's frontending cdrecord, which is crippled that way[23:07:44] <Macer> omg[23:07:46] <g4lt-mordant> told you to use cdrw[23:07:53] <Macer> g4lt-mordant: i have no choice ;)[23:09:33] <Macer> how do i find out what the device is?[23:10:00] <Triskelios> Macer: use cdrw[23:10:04] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[23:10:13] <sstallion_work> Macer: iostat -En[23:10:15] *** Beket has left #opensolaris[23:10:28] <whiteyOS> Macer: cdrw -l[23:10:29] <whiteyOS> tem.[23:10:39] <Macer> ah ok[23:10:42] *** cron0 has quit IRC[23:10:49] <Macer> but i mean tto change the permissions :)[23:11:10] <Macer> so i can have write perms for users on the burners[23:16:02] *** niq has quit IRC[23:16:26] <Macer> so cdrw shouldn't have any problems burning an iso to a dl disc ?[23:16:26] <Macer> :)[23:16:29] <Macer> i'm making the iso now[23:20:00] <Macer> well.. it seems to be writing .. let me read the cdrw man page[23:20:07] <whiteyOS> Macer: the NOTES and User Commands sections of the man page cover the user permissions for cdrw[23:20:08] <Macer> see if i can pipe mkisofs to cdrw[23:20:17] *** hudnix has quit IRC[23:20:20] <whiteyOS> Macer: you can pipe it[23:20:21] *** pangu has quit IRC[23:20:32] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[23:20:55] <Macer> whiteyOS: i'm reading it now.. thanks.. it was just i have someone coming over picking up a dvd in like 20 mins[23:20:59] <Macer> ;)[23:23:16] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[23:23:45] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[23:24:01] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[23:25:02] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[23:25:43] *** panos has joined #opensolaris[23:27:01] *** jayk- has joined #opensolaris[23:27:05] *** TommyTheKid has joined #opensolaris[23:27:25] <TommyTheKid> does this thing fast reboot from the live CD to the installed image?[23:27:27] <jayk-> has anyone here bonded two or more NICs together on a cisco switch to increase throughput?[23:27:47] <TommyTheKid> we have but we don't use cisco :p[23:27:59] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:28:16] <jayk-> oic[23:28:23] <jayk-> what do you use? hp?[23:28:28] <TommyTheKid> Force 10[23:28:32] <jayk-> ah[23:28:34] <rkeene> jayk-, Yes[23:29:05] <rkeene> We have aggr interfaces with up to 4 NICs.[23:29:10] <rkeene> To Cisco 6509 switches[23:29:17] <jayk-> i have two channel groups on my cisco switch. machine1 has two NICs bonded two channel group 1, and machine2 has two NICs bonded to channel group 2.[23:29:32] <jayk-> and when i try to transfer a file, the second interface on each machine shows very little traffic[23:29:50] <jayk-> and i am using lacp[23:30:28] *** Odin- has quit IRC[23:31:09] <jayk-> i'm using a cisco 3750G[23:31:56] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[23:32:45] <rkeene> You won't get over 1x a single link's speed with LACP and a single stream.[23:33:03] <jayk-> oh.[23:33:36] <jayk-> what about multiple streams and LACP?[23:34:16] <rkeene> Go read some about how 802.3ad works -- it's designed to avoid sending packets related to a TCP stream out multiple physical interfaces to reduce the possibility of reordering[23:34:41] <rkeene> It's possible, but you will want to set your policy to L4 with only 2 machines.[23:35:09] <jayk-> ic.[23:35:16] <zedrich> rkeene: are you saying that bonding cant multiplex multiple interfaces?[23:35:26] <rkeene> zedrich, ...[23:35:36] <rkeene> zedrich, No, are you failing to read what I said ?[23:36:05] <zedrich> i read it .. multiplexing here needs context I think since like yoru saying its reliant on more than 1 stream[23:36:17] <rkeene> zedrich, I didn't say "multiplexing"[23:36:34] <zedrich> what Im asking is if it's possible in hardware or software to take 2 interfaces and say .. get 2Gb out of them bonded.[23:36:40] <zedrich> with 1 stream - say iSCSI[23:36:42] *** purserj has quit IRC[23:36:50] <rkeene> Not using LACP.[23:37:00] <zedrich> would it work with anything?[23:37:09] <zedrich> software level, Im guessing is what the answer is[23:37:27] <rkeene> I'm not aware of any way to do it with Solaris -- under Linux you can create a bonding interface which just does round-robbin.[23:37:28] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[23:37:39] <zedrich> higher up the stack so that services can sort it out[23:38:01] <rkeene> And you can transmit at 2Gbps like that, but if you are using TCP you will likely get a *LOT* of retransmits that kill your actual throughput.[23:38:06] <zedrich> rkeene: yeah, that's been in there for a long time... wonder if that really gets you up to the full capacity tho[23:38:13] *** blizzow has joined #opensolaris[23:39:23] <tsoome> rkeene: man ifconfig;)[23:39:51] *** unkn has quit IRC[23:40:02] <rkeene> If you set your policy to L4, the aggregation will use layer 4 port numbers.[23:40:23] <rkeene> tsoome, Eh ?[23:40:39] <TommyTheKid> is there a simple command to query the kernel arguments to check whether my incantation is getting through? I thought it was something like prtconf but its not giving me what i want[23:42:30] <rkeene> tsoome, We use aggregations + IPMP + VLANs + zones here.... I'm familiar with with networking on Solaris, is there something specific I should be looking for in this man page ?[23:42:51] <tsoome> well ye i was referring to IPMP[23:42:52] <CosmicDJ> TommyTheKid: your what?[23:44:31] <rkeene> IPMP is completely irrelevant to IEEE 802.3AD/LACP/"bonding to increase throughput" -- the most you can do towards that end with IPMP is have multiple addresses that you send from, and it takes a bit to get that configured.[23:44:39] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[23:44:43] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[23:44:59] <TommyTheKid> heh, I was trying to enable the serial console, like I have done a million times before, but now i have NO console ... at least till gdm starts :p[23:45:22] <TommyTheKid> I wanted to check and see if the kernel was even "seeing" the change I made to the end of the kernel$ line[23:45:36] <CosmicDJ> ah your grub args..[23:46:25] <TommyTheKid> right, I changed "graphics" to "ttya"[23:46:37] *** robo has quit IRC[23:46:38] <TommyTheKid> I have all the BIOS and GRUB output on serial, but once I choose the OS, silence :)[23:47:35] <rkeene> http://www.rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/aggr_ipmp_vlan_zones.png.htm[23:48:10] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:48:18] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] <TommyTheKid> fun rkeene[23:49:06] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[23:49:11] <zedrich> i just tried to share a zfs ds with iscsi on 134.. and it rebooted[23:49:19] <zedrich> now i dontknow about you guys but that seems... buggy[23:49:35] <rkeene> zedrich, It's probably fine.[23:49:41] *** stewart has quit IRC[23:49:56] <zedrich> rebooted the box .. like reset[23:50:05] <rkeene> Yeah... that'll happen.[23:50:08] <zedrich> haha[23:50:18] <zedrich> ok Ill make a note of that[23:50:24] <zedrich> though its never happened on my 111b VM[23:50:25] * rkeene notes that he's never used OpenSolaris -- only Solaris.[23:50:52] <TommyTheKid> blasphemy! (sp?)[23:50:56] <zedrich> Ive used both.. .this opensolaris .. commune.. is interesting[23:51:01] <rkeene> (And SXCE, when it existed)[23:51:14] <alanc> SXCE was a distro of the OpenSolaris source code[23:51:15] <jamesd2> zedrich, check your logs.. something else is going on.. i have shared over a dozen filesystems on b134... and over a dozen in cifs and nfs as well[23:51:17] <zedrich> they tell me nothing but to use 134 but it seems like for anything thats fixed over 111b that something else is totally messed up[23:51:37] <zedrich> jamesd2: maybe cuz i installed comstar as well as the legacy iscsi target[23:53:13] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:53:35] <jamesd2> zedrich, are both running?[23:53:58] <zedrich> 134 just came up in maintenance mode.. bypassed it..[23:54:38] <jamesd2> sounds like something is broken.. and needs to be fixed[23:54:46] <jamesd2> svcs -x[23:54:47] <zedrich> Im going to remove comstar[23:54:55] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[23:55:15] <strawf> just to clarify: is it possible to set >128K for deduplication record size?[23:56:19] <zedrich> jamesd2: looks like i broked it[23:57:18] <zedrich> http://pastebin.com/t5dR2Upi[23:59:13] <jamesd2> strawf, not yet its rumored to be at some point in the future.[23:59:30] <strawf> jamesd2: OK, thanks!