April 11, 2010 
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April 11, 2010 [00:02:59] <Hedonista> is it possible to clone your global zone or do you install the new zone os from scratch?[00:03:36] <Alasdairrr> I'd try not to think of the global zone as a zone :)[00:03:44] <Hedonista> ok[00:04:25] <Spencer_tt> Hedonista: try this for cloning http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1592/6mhahup1v?a=view[00:04:34] *** dalibor has quit IRC[00:04:59] <Alasdairrr> Spencer: That's for non-global zones[00:05:38] <Hedonista> thanks Spencer_tt[00:06:21] <Alasdairrr> Hedonista, on Solaris 10 you could create a flash archive using flar and install the archive on a new machine from the Solaris 10 installer. I'm not sure if this is possible on OpenSolaris though[00:06:39] <Alasdairrr> I suspect not given the GUI installer asks about 3 questions :)[00:06:57] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[00:07:04] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[00:08:12] <Alasdairrr> Yeah seems you can just zfs send boot environments: gtar -vcf- * | netcat 10.12.22.55 8080[00:08:19] <Alasdairrr> oops that's not what i meant to paste[00:09:09] <Alasdairrr> http://rar.nu/br[00:09:45] *** justnow has quit IRC[00:10:28] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[00:10:49] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[00:12:19] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[00:17:08] *** fOB_2 has quit IRC[00:17:10] *** dalibor has quit IRC[00:21:32] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[00:22:32] *** ibseo has quit IRC[00:24:36] *** CATSS is now known as winstonw[00:24:56] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[00:25:01] <edude03> Hello everyone[00:25:09] <edude03> I need some help installing OSOL[00:25:10] *** steleman has joined #opensolaris[00:25:21] <edude03> I got it installed but it says bad PBR sig at boot[00:27:47] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:28:07] *** steleman has left #opensolaris[00:28:46] <CodeWar> IIRC there was a tool that reports the build/version information of an arbitrary binaries ... anybody know?[00:29:43] <Meths> file?[00:30:04] *** ssfz has joined #opensolaris[00:30:06] *** fOB_2 has joined #opensolaris[00:30:08] <CodeWar> not really[00:32:12] <edude03> What should I do?[00:32:25] <edude03> Its on a cheap Acer laptop Dual core AMD cpu[00:33:36] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:35:13] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[00:38:45] *** ssfz has quit IRC[00:40:31] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:41:50] *** bdrewery has joined #opensolaris[00:42:19] *** bdrewery is now known as Guest26139[00:43:32] *** Guest29377 has quit IRC[00:43:54] <Spencer_tt> edude03: you might want to try another install disc or image and do re-run the installer.[00:44:23] <edude03> Hmm, well its the latest OSOL cd[00:44:29] <edude03> What should I get instead?[00:45:31] <Spencer_tt> upgrade from a previous OpenSolaris Build by doing a custom build environment[00:47:02] <edude03> Also, Its a single drive since its a laptop[00:47:27] <edude03> But you think its an issue with the most recent cd Spencer_tt ?[00:47:36] <Spencer_tt> I don't know[00:47:55] <jbit> edude03: what's the exact message?[00:48:05] <Spencer_tt> you have to try a image/disc or a combination of bother that works on your machine[00:48:11] <edude03> "Bad PBR sig"[00:48:25] <edude03> Thats all it says when I boot from the HD[00:49:28] <jbit> edude03: sounds like grub got confused when it wrote hte boot sector[00:49:37] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[00:50:43] <edude03> Yeah[00:50:49] <edude03> Thats what this person mentioned: http://asupergeek.blogspot.com/2007/06/bad-pbr-sig.html[00:51:08] <jbit> edude03: probably boot opensolaris cd and try messing with grub command prompt :)[00:51:29] <jbit> edude03: do you have anything like a flash drive in the laptop?[00:51:36] <edude03> No[00:52:04] <edude03> What does solaris call its disks?[00:52:04] <jbit> don't really see how grub would get confused on a single disk machine[00:52:11] <edude03> That's what I'm saying :P[00:52:22] <jbit> edude03: edude03 c0t0d0s0[00:52:40] <jbit> (controller, target, disk, slice)[00:52:40] <edude03> mount /dev/c0t0d0s0?[00:52:54] <jbit> edude03: well with zfs you'll rarely call mount directly[00:53:09] <edude03> Well how do I mount the harddrive then? I'm in the live cd[00:53:11] <jbit> but it's /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0 or /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0[00:53:18] <jbit> edude03: zfs import[00:53:20] *** MikeTLive has joined #opensolaris[00:53:38] <jbit> errrr.. zpool import[00:53:39] <jbit> sorry :)[00:54:06] <edude03> Whats the live CD password?[00:54:13] <jbit> jack[00:54:15] <Spencer_tt> jack[00:54:30] <jbit> edude03: but you shouldn't need it[00:54:36] <jbit> edude03: what are you trying to do that needs it?[00:54:43] <Wicked> hello all. new opensolaris user here and im running into issue trying to convert to /dev/ heres the output http://pastebin.com/6g8Hb3bS[00:54:44] <edude03> sudo zpool import[00:54:45] <edude03> lol[00:54:49] <jbit> edude03: use pfexec[00:54:50] <jbit> not sudo[00:54:55] <edude03> oh yeah :/[00:55:23] <Wicked> i followed what the bot said to run "pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v"[00:55:24] <edude03> Excuse me I'm new to OSOL still :P[00:55:37] *** blizzow has quit IRC[00:55:47] <jbit> edude03: hard to tell :)[00:56:05] <edude03> ok[00:56:13] <edude03> So before I set my laptop on fire or something[00:56:23] <edude03> Where did zpool mount my FS to?[00:56:32] <jbit> edude03: probably /rpool[00:56:40] <edude03> so[00:56:51] <jbit> but that's not what you think it is :-/[00:56:51] <edude03> pfexec nano /rpool/boot/etc[00:56:55] <edude03> : |[00:57:37] <jbit> edude03: http://blogs.sun.com/avinashjoshi/entry/mount_opensolaris_zfs_partition_and[00:57:52] <edude03> I'm going to buy a book on OSOL[00:58:00] <jbit> (because i can't remember exactly how to do it off hand :)[00:58:05] <edude03> I offically don't run any Windows computers now :)[00:58:16] <edude03> Mac mac mac linux and solaris :)[00:58:29] <jbit> edude03: opensolaris just takes a while to get used to, when you figure out why things are the way they are they start to make sense[01:00:10] <Spencer_tt> edude03 you'll be nodding your head eventually with practice[01:00:30] <edude03> Yesh[01:00:38] <edude03> I'll get a lot of that soon[01:00:53] <edude03> I've been put in charge of setting up a solaris xVM cluster >_>'[01:01:34] <Spencer_tt> wax on wax off...[01:02:44] <Alasdairrr> Lets hope Oracle don't abandon xVM development :)[01:03:05] <Alasdairrr> They've already abandoned xVM Server[01:03:13] <snuff-home> well.. xvm and oracle vm.. both are based on Xen..[01:03:16] <RoyK^> omg[01:03:24] <RoyK^> what will oracle use instead? zones?[01:03:36] <Alasdairrr> Oracle have their own Xen based VM product[01:03:46] <jbit> i don't think zones are equivilent to xvm in anyway[01:03:47] <snuff-home> oracle have always endorsed zones/containers for solaris..[01:03:55] *** sickness has quit IRC[01:04:08] *** niq has quit IRC[01:04:14] <Alasdairrr> if you google "oracle xvm blog" the top hit covers it (my copy/paste is broken)[01:04:33] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris[01:04:35] <snuff-home> xVM management tools are staying[01:05:17] <Alasdairrr> I wrote a large comment on that post which Oracle have decided not to publish :)[01:05:27] <Alasdairrr> I wish I'd saved it to put on my blog[01:06:30] <Alasdairrr> But I basically said they'd be nuts not to use OpenSolaris xVM as the dom0 in their VM product[01:07:02] <edude03> Basically[01:07:11] <edude03> We already VMware using linux as its base[01:07:33] <edude03> so is Citrix[01:07:48] <Alasdairrr> We use Citrix XenServer over here - it's a crock of shite, I hate it.[01:08:11] <snuff-home> Alasdairrr: oracle are known for being 'borg like'.. they may take some bits of xVM server..[01:08:16] *** zynox has quit IRC[01:08:45] <Alasdairrr> Lets hope so - the issue I have is that OpenSolaris is pretty dependant upon Sun staff being paid to work on the various projects[01:09:03] <Spencer_tt> it would be ideal to use Xen inside (Open)Solaris makes it star trek rather than serenity..[01:09:05] <Alasdairrr> If Oracle decide they have no interest in xVM the staff/resources will be reallocated and xVM will stagnate[01:09:47] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[01:10:25] <jbit> i wonder if xvm and virtualbox could converge a bit[01:10:37] <Spencer_tt> as long as Larry & The Board sees the green grass from support contracts it should ideally work out[01:10:50] <Alasdairrr> I think there's been some technology sharing between xvm and virtualbox, such as the paravirtualised network/disk drivers?[01:11:44] <Alasdairrr> (for windows)[01:12:17] <sickness> I'm back[01:12:46] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[01:13:16] <Spencer_tt> wb * 2[01:13:59] <Spencer_tt> gosh I need get the jeos images in vbox working..[01:14:45] <snuff-home> Spencer_tt: i thought jeos images.. lewellyn got them working.. under hyper-v i think[01:15:29] <snuff-home> Alasdairrr: the virtio/virtnet drivers are from KVM from memory[01:15:39] <edude03> What do you guys think about a macmini xVM cluster?[01:15:51] <Alasdairrr> Mac Minis are highly overpriced[01:16:04] <edude03> Assuming I can get them for less than retail[01:16:22] <Alasdairrr> Right now the best bang per buck I can personally recommend for raw grunt and memory throughput are Dell R410s[01:16:32] <Alasdairrr> :)[01:16:41] <Spencer_tt> hmm I have to make do with the machine I have at the moment, and do it on localhost - because I'm looking making a few apps work in different operating systems using vbox for test scenarios[01:16:42] <edude03> 1U?[01:16:54] <Alasdairrr> Yeah[01:17:05] <snuff-home> xen 4.0 looks like an interesting upgrade.... but sounds like the new features need to wait for a xen 4.x.y release instead[01:17:32] <edude03> Those look nice[01:17:38] <edude03> What are they like 2 grand each[01:17:43] <Alasdairrr> The nice thing about Dell R410s is that although they're "budgety" x86 boxes, you can get them with dual redundant hotswap PSUs and hotswap SAS/SATA bays, and with DRAC remote management cards.[01:18:06] <snuff-home> but u need to use dell HDDs now though ;)[01:18:15][01:18:46] <Alasdairrr> Yeah the requirement for Dell HDDs is rather cheeky of them :)[01:19:19] <Alasdairrr> And thats with DRAC cards and dual hotswap PSUs too.[01:19:27] <snuff-home> it was funny to see the 200 post rant on linux forums about that[01:19:30][01:20:00] <Alasdairrr> I can just imagine :) I wasn't too impressed either tbh[01:21:29] <robinbowes> Dell HDDs are only required with H700 controllers[01:21:39] <robinbowes> You're OK if you get the PERC 6/i[01:21:52] <Alasdairrr> And SAS6/i presumably[01:21:58] <robinbowes> PResumablyt[01:22:00] <robinbowes> er[01:22:04] <robinbowes> Presumably[01:22:16] <robinbowes> We have lots of them[01:22:32] <Alasdairrr> If the worst comes to the worst you can just shove generic LSI SAS cards in although it'll eat up a PCIe slot[01:22:34] <robinbowes> That said, I'm buying Dell disks for spares[01:22:49] <Alasdairrr> *nods*[01:22:52] <robinbowes> I think the 6/i is a PCIe card[01:23:25] <Alasdairrr> On the R410 you can get a SAS 6i that's a weird circuit board that doesn't take up a PCIe slot[01:23:42] * robinbowes prefers PERC 6/i[01:23:58] <Alasdairrr> we're running Solaris 10 on the boxes so just do the raid in ZFS[01:23:58] <robinbowes> BBC, ftw[01:24:05] <snuff-home> bahaha just seen Adobe's reply about Apple iPhone OS 4 restriction for 'translated code'[01:24:17] <Alasdairrr> yeah BBC is a win[01:24:28] <Alasdairrr> snuff-home, url?[01:24:42] <edude03> snuff-home: can't use off the shelf drives?[01:24:44] <robinbowes> Just configure as 4 x single-disk RAID0 volumes[01:24:57] <Alasdairrr> you still have to do that with the SAS 6/i :)[01:25:03] <snuff-home> just goto http://www.theregister.co.uk[01:25:06] <edude03> And I'm at the grub shell but I'm not sure whatto do with ti :P[01:25:07] <edude03> *it[01:25:12] <snuff-home> its on the page near the top[01:26:39] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC[01:27:19] <Alasdairrr> I read quite a good post in favour of the Apple move, basically citing performance/battery life/better end user experience. If you force people to write native apps, the end user experience will be better.[01:27:32] *** Atomdrache has joined #opensolaris[01:28:05] <Alasdairrr> If you allow translations then people will just port their crap over. Apple already have a huge number of apps on their platform, raising the bar isn't necessarily a bad thing[01:28:25] <jbit> Alasdairrr: that doesn't help unity though[01:28:28] <snuff-home> i dont care either way :)[01:28:37] <snuff-home> i dont want any apple products[01:28:45] <Alasdairrr> ditto[01:28:46] *** wdp__ has quit IRC[01:29:06] <Jondice> agreed[01:29:33] <Alasdairrr> Right, bed time - cya all![01:30:46] *** blizzow has joined #opensolaris[01:33:30] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[01:35:39] <Spencer_tt> peanuts and coffee time..[01:37:12] *** bmwracer0 has joined #opensolaris[01:39:20] <snuff-home> .[01:39:55] <TomJ> hmm zoneadm clone -s snapshot sourcezone doesn't seem to be working - comes up with an ipkg error, saying -s not supported[01:41:46] *** bmwracer0 has quit IRC[01:42:29] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[01:43:14] <Spencer_tt> no milestone boots..[01:43:26] <Spencer_tt> what's that all about[01:44:48] *** comay has quit IRC[01:45:57] *** Kedare has quit IRC[01:46:14] <Spencer_tt> somewhere down this page might be a hint http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5166/zoneadm-1m?a=view[01:46:40] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[01:47:14] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[01:47:27] *** stewart has quit IRC[01:50:16] *** gabo has joined #opensolaris[01:51:49] *** lupin__ has quit IRC[01:53:43] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[01:59:34] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[01:59:55] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[02:00:39] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[02:00:50] <jbit> does anybody know of something like valgrind for solaris btw?[02:01:26] <tsoome> man dbx[02:01:33] <tsoome> :)[02:01:52] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[02:01:58] <tsoome> there are memory access and reference check functions[02:02:10] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[02:02:23] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[02:02:39] *** zynox has quit IRC[02:02:53] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[02:03:45] <jbit> ah[02:04:33] <jbit> dbx: internal error: signal SIGSEGV (no mapping at the fault address)[02:04:37] <jbit> nicely done[02:04:48] <tsoome> heh...[02:05:30] *** robinbowes has joined #opensolaris[02:07:07] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/dlutz/entry/memory_leak_detection_with_libumem[02:08:32] <jbit> CosmicDJ: hrm, i don't think this has leaks, i think it has bad usage :P[02:08:37] <jbit> so i think i want a bounds checker[02:09:21] <jbit> oh well, this is a fight for tomorrow :P[02:10:42] <CosmicDJ> like umem's guards? (see umem_debug(3malloc)[02:10:44] <CosmicDJ> )[02:11:27] <jbit> CosmicDJ: hrm, will take a look, but i'm not sure how easy it'd be to use that[02:11:42] <jbit> the stuff i want to debug is deep in some 3rd party libraries, and i have no idea how it's allocating[02:12:08] <jbit> come to think of it, it might be using pools in which case i'm probably screwed and have to just walk backwards from the crash :([02:13:40] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[02:14:10] *** cervello has quit IRC[02:15:02] <edude03> Shit[02:15:19] <edude03> OSOL didn't install because my laptop overheated during the install :/[02:15:30] <jbit> edude03: well there's your problem :)[02:15:43] <edude03> Yeah[02:16:07] <edude03> Reinstalled and its booting now[02:16:13] <edude03> Fucking acer I swear[02:16:16] <Spencer_tt> hmm that's new[02:16:21] <edude03> My MBP has been through more and it works fine[02:16:34] <edude03> This thing has sat on a desk for two months and its falling apart[02:16:35] <jbit> i think all modern laptops have overheating problems[02:16:40] <Spencer_tt> I know my machine freezes when it gets hot and bothered[02:16:47] <edude03> Nah[02:16:48] <jbit> at least, i hear overheating stories from all brands[02:16:53] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[02:16:57] <edude03> I sleep with my MBP for warmth[02:16:59] <edude03> :P[02:17:00] <Spencer_tt> brb[02:22:36] *** blizzow has quit IRC[02:23:01] *** reqius has joined #opensolaris[02:24:08] <gabo> I had an Acer laptop too and I found that heat from HD was dissipated from the same conduct as from processor so it wasn't enough for both..[02:26:04] <gabo> now I have a HP laptop with newer processor Turion2 x2 M500 it looks like opensolaris works really better with frequency scaling so the laptop is really cold working most of time in 800MHz of 2200MHz ...[02:28:18] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[02:29:08] <gabo> now I have a problem with audio driver, common with HP laptops, it sends a constant noise on the speakers really annoying... some forums comment that is was solved in snv 135, has anybody build it ? that can send to me the driver for testing ?[02:30:59] *** jerlique has joined #opensolaris[02:33:30] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[02:33:35] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[02:33:48] *** elgatofilo has joined #opensolaris[02:35:29] <jerlique> Hi - My opensolaris will not boot in failsafe mode. I've burnt a copy of the livecd and would like to uprgade, it doesnt seem that this is possible with losing the information on the existing install. Any suggestions[02:36:18] *** randw has quit IRC[02:37:12] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[02:41:11] *** andersenep has quit IRC[02:41:11] *** andersenep_ is now known as andersenep[02:42:11] <edude03> I'm trying to setup wifi[02:42:17] <edude03> I installed a RT2500 card[02:42:28] *** chendy has quit IRC[02:42:33] <edude03> and it says it was sucsessfully installed as SUNWural.2[02:43:04] *** pjama has quit IRC[02:43:05] <edude03> but ifconfig ural0 plumb says the link doesn't exist :/[02:43:22] *** cybernd has quit IRC[02:47:35] *** jthunder has quit IRC[02:47:52] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[02:48:23] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[02:48:28] *** jerlique has quit IRC[02:48:30] <gabo> edude03> maybe device entry is not created, run: pfexec devfsadm -vC, and check if the command find and creates the device link, then you can run: dladm show-link[02:48:48] <edude03> OK I'll try that and report back[02:49:15] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[02:49:16] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[02:49:38] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[02:56:23] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[03:00:32] <edude03> How do I get into verbose mode in OSOL?[03:02:55] *** Psi-Jack has joined #opensolaris[03:06:06] <samc> edude03: for the kernel messages? at the grub menu, press 'e' on the boot entry, go to the line that says 'kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS', then press 'e' again. Add ' -v' to the end of it, press enter then press 'b' to boot[03:06:16] <samc> that'll give you more info from the kernel as it boots[03:06:27] <samc> if you add ' -v -m verbose' it'll also list each SMF service as it starts[03:06:34] <edude03> ok[03:06:36] <edude03> Thanks[03:06:46] <edude03> My GUI died and isn't coming back for some reason :/[03:06:53] <samc> ahh yuck[03:06:55] <DerSaidin> or if you can afford to miss a bit, just press escape[03:07:27] <samc> if you're able to log in at the console, have a look at '/var/svc/log/application-graphical-login-gdm:default.log' -- it might tell you why it's not able to start[03:08:59] <edude03> it says method start exited with status 0[03:09:17] *** gabo has quit IRC[03:09:53] <edude03> Which isn't very useful : /[03:12:06] *** tosh has quit IRC[03:17:17] *** andersenep has left #opensolaris[03:17:35] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[03:20:42] <samc> edude03: status 0 means (in theory) it succeeded[03:20:52] <edude03> Yeah[03:20:53] <samc> do you have a timestamp there for when it tried to start? is it recent?[03:21:07] <edude03> Too late now Its already reinstalling lol[03:21:10] <samc> maybe there's another service not starting that gdm depends on[03:21:12] <samc> oh haha :)[03:21:21] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[03:22:01] *** swa_work has quit IRC[03:22:05] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[03:22:34] *** gabo has joined #opensolaris[03:24:00] <edude03> No patience tonight :3[03:24:28] <edude03> If this OSOL install blows up before bed its going to become a FedoraCore 12 install real fast[03:24:49] <projectmoon> installation: fun[03:24:53] <projectmoon> i'm about to start installing nexenta[03:26:21] *** jbronn has joined #opensolaris[03:26:27] *** elgatofilo has quit IRC[03:31:26] *** gabo has quit IRC[03:31:45] <Psi-Jack> OpenSolaris has Zones, right?[03:32:10] *** blizzow has joined #opensolaris[03:34:39] <projectmoon> yes[03:35:12] <Psi-Jack> I'm curious how Zones works as I'm semi-used to Xen and more so used to kvm.[03:35:20] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[03:37:17] <samc> Psi-Jack: they don't work in quite the same way - xen and kvm both start a new kernel inside a userspace process, while zones are more like a chroot on steroids[03:37:24] *** reqius has quit IRC[03:37:25] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[03:37:26] <samc> so zones are more like linux containers and vservers[03:37:41] <samc> but yeah, the zones code is all in opensolaris[03:37:57] <Psi-Jack> Full Virtualization or Paravirtualization?[03:38:03] <samc> neither[03:38:05] <edude03> Whats the difference between kvm and xen anyway?[03:38:12] <samc> those terms only really mean something when you're running a virtualised kernel[03:38:32] <Psi-Jack> edude03: Quite a few. Xen is not well optimized in some respects, really optimized in others (such as paravirtualization)[03:38:43] <samc> they're both implementations of the same concept though[03:39:07] <samc> running an operating system kernel inside emulated hardware[03:39:09] <edude03> hmm[03:39:24] <Psi-Jack> samc: Right. I follow.[03:39:26] <edude03> Is Xen bad at HVM and kvm is better?[03:39:32] <Psi-Jack> edude03: Opposite.[03:39:33] <samc> but yeah, with zones, there's only one kernel running which is shared by the host plus al lthe zones[03:40:02] <Psi-Jack> samc: Hmm[03:40:12] <edude03> Xen is good at HVM bad at para?[03:40:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmm..[03:40:17] <samc> xen is a more mature project - kvm is fairly new comparatively[03:40:28] <Psi-Jack> edude03: No, Xen's better at paravirt. :)[03:40:34] <samc> but kvm is the one that's been chosen for implemetation into the linux kernel, so it'll probably catch up[03:40:40] <Psi-Jack> kvm's still getting into paravirt with virtio.[03:41:27] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I just wonder how opensolaris would appreciate my hardware. That's been my only issue with it before. ;)[03:42:14] <samc> it runs pretty well under xen or virtualbox ;)[03:42:23] <Psi-Jack> hehe[03:42:51] <Psi-Jack> Well, heck, I may try out opensolaris on my windows box with virtualbox, just to see what it's capable of there. ;)[03:42:57] <Psi-Jack> Good thought, actually. ;)[03:43:01] <samc> *grin*[03:43:06] <edude03> Ew windows :P[03:43:18] <samc> and you'd be able to use zones inside that, because they're not going to try to do hvm-within-hvm or anything ugly like that[03:43:25] <Psi-Jack> I use Windows as a desktop/laptop platform. Linux for servers primarily.[03:43:50] *** rmorse has quit IRC[03:43:51] <Psi-Jack> I occassionally like to play games, when I'm not further expanding my knowledge. ;)[03:43:55] <jbronn> I'm having a terrible time with automatic snapshots; the service will snapshot some datasets but not others (all have com.sun:auto-snapshot=true). anybody have insight into why a particular ZFS dataset would be ignored by the auto-snapshot service?[03:43:57] <Psi-Jack> (which I do most of the time)[03:44:22] <edude03> Gabo left?[03:44:36] <edude03> Anyway I tried his advice, dladm show-link doesn't do anything[03:44:42] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Right now I'm compiling Firefox with my distcc cluster. ;)[03:44:43] <edude03> just goes to the command prompt again[03:45:02] <edude03> Psi-Jack: I run icecream on PS3 you should try that[03:45:06] <Psi-Jack> LOL![03:45:11] <Psi-Jack> I don't have a PS3.[03:45:29] *** eleusis has quit IRC[03:46:07] <edude03> Even without a PS3[03:46:18] <Psi-Jack> But I've built 2 custom boxes so far with the primary purpose just to learn virtualization techniques.[03:46:20] <edude03> Icecream is awesome due to autodiscovery and such[03:46:26] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. :)[03:46:55] <Psi-Jack> I've heard gentoo people suggesting it.. I'm just used to distcc is all.[03:47:10] <edude03> icecream is distcc + autodiscovery[03:47:18] <Psi-Jack> Right[03:47:21] <galt> can you use icecream i you're lactose intolerant? ;P[03:47:22] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[03:47:22] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[03:47:23] <edude03> so you go and install icecream daemon on a bunch of computer[03:47:25] <Psi-Jack> And scheduling/queueing?[03:47:31] <swa_work> heh galt[03:47:46] <edude03> then when you're ready you run icecream admin and it shows all your resources and starts your task[03:48:34] <Psi-Jack> heh that sucked.[03:48:37] <Psi-Jack> Upgrading my virtualbox disconnected my network.[03:49:38] <Psi-Jack> Though irssi-proxy is nice. ;)[03:49:43] <edude03> Not as much as trying to upgrade sol without a network[03:49:49] <Psi-Jack> lol[03:51:06] <Psi-Jack> The real problem I've come up to with virtualization is I want to also make the host OS do something as well.[03:51:14] <Psi-Jack> Not just be a virtualizer and that's it. LOL[03:52:06] <Psi-Jack> Such as HA routing, Firewall, DHCP, and DNS for the rest of the network and the virtualized network. heh[03:52:21] <projectmoon> well that nexenta installation was slightly less exciting than i anticipated. everything worked within 3 reboots[03:55:29] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[03:58:21] *** phil has quit IRC[03:59:50] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[04:01:58] *** stewart has quit IRC[04:02:53] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[04:03:49] *** psychicist has quit IRC[04:05:37] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[04:05:43] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[04:05:51] *** jthunder has quit IRC[04:10:00] <edude03> So how do I get a RT2500USB running on osol 111?[04:14:13] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[04:14:15] <LaidBack_01> #emc[04:16:05] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[04:16:13] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[04:16:19] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[04:16:24] *** CodeWar has left #opensolaris[04:24:58] <jamesd_laptop> LaidBack_01, you have to have a service contract and pay $100 at the door to get into #emc...[04:25:04] *** edogawaconan has quit IRC[04:25:54] <LaidBack_01> lol, I was getting into the #emc chat. Sorry. EMC == Electronic Machine Control - emc.org[04:26:48] *** swa_work has quit IRC[04:27:38] *** andersenep has quit IRC[04:27:45] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[04:29:44] *** eleusis has quit IRC[04:29:58] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[04:29:58] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[04:30:23] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:34:09] *** vivid has quit IRC[04:36:09] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[04:36:11] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[04:40:50] *** eviljames has quit IRC[04:41:11] <jbronn> it appears the `narrow_recursive_filesystems` (in /lib/svc/method/zfs-auto-snapshot) is buggy. the way my ZFS hierarchy is named screws it up. not at all confident in zfs-auto-snapshot anymore.[04:41:43] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[04:41:56] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[04:42:13] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[04:46:35] *** icarus901 has joined #opensolaris[04:53:52] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[04:54:23] <Fallen_Demon> Linux communities are surprisingly easy to troll <.<[04:56:05] <galt> did you hit them with rm -rf / ?[04:56:10] *** vivid has quit IRC[04:56:30] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[04:57:24] <Fallen_Demon> galt, nah, I said their distro sucks with a list of reasons and why Ubuntu and openSUSE were infinitely better[04:57:33] <Fallen_Demon> They took the bat[04:57:35] <Fallen_Demon> bait*[04:57:55] <galt> is suse even maintained any more?[04:58:17] <galt> should have used corel for extra points ;P[05:00:54] <Psi-Jack> So far, so good, hardware-compatability-wise, opensolaris supports my hardware. ;)[05:02:19] <Fallen_Demon> openSUSE rocks, not as hard as opensolaris, but still...[05:02:58] <Psi-Jack> How would opensolaris handle network routing with failover, similar to how I presently do mine with linux+linux with keepalived and conntrackd?[05:03:08] <galt> Psi-Jack: you didn't have to install it to find that out, they make the HCL for a reason ;P[05:03:20] <Psi-Jack> galt: I used the HCL program to find out :)[05:04:09] <galt> keepalived would be better handled via a SMF manifest. dunno what conntrack does[05:04:10] <Psi-Jack> It shows all I needed to know worked. I'm about to check the other two once I get java on them. ;)[05:04:44] <Psi-Jack> conntrack tracks connections and syncs them between the nodes, so if the primary router fails, it knows what was going on and may loose one packate at best.[05:04:47] <galt> that's just it, init and SMF handles keeping programs alive, you don't need extra crap[05:04:51] *** snuff-home has joined #opensolaris[05:06:15] <galt> dunno what to do for that, but I suspect it's just throwing parameters at crossbow[05:07:30] <Psi-Jack> So, SMF, you say? That's.. What, a program? A tool?[05:08:59] <galt> it's what you see when you run svcs -a, those are all smf manifests[05:09:28] <Psi-Jack> Okay, I see.[05:09:30] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[05:09:36] <Psi-Jack> Apparently I have a lot to learn about Solaris. ;)[05:10:07] <galt> basically, opensolaris replaced rc.d scripts with SMF manifests, and one of the joys of SMF is that it handles restarting a downed service[05:10:14] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[05:10:46] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Secondary server is mostly compatible. 3rd party driver needed IF I want to use the motherboard's NIC.[05:11:06] <Psi-Jack> galt: Oh! Now THAT is nice![05:11:42] <Psi-Jack> So.. In basics, what would handle basic routing facilities?[05:12:04] <Psi-Jack> Similar to IP Masquerading Linux has, but not just 1 IP, but 5.[05:14:36] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[05:14:46] <galt> ipf[05:15:48] *** edude03 has quit IRC[05:16:48] *** ttys0 has joined #opensolaris[05:20:05] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty.. Definitely looks like I need to learn more about OpenSolaris. So far, 3 of my systems I just tested show good supportability, which really makes me happy. ;)[05:20:44] <Psi-Jack> Only got 1 more left that I wanted to test, which is my Raid10 NAS and Media server, so I dunno how well that'd end up working out for it. :)[05:21:49] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[05:25:05] <Psi-Jack> Heh, no support for SB Audigy, not sure about on-board audio because it's probably disabled in BIOS I'd imagine so we'll see. ;)[05:27:11] *** Wild_Geese has quit IRC[05:27:28] *** Wild_Geese has joined #opensolaris[05:29:01] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[05:29:57] <jmcp> Psi-Jack: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2009.06/ is a good place to get started[05:30:27] <jmcp> from what I've seen on scrollback, you asked about routing - in.routed / quagga / ripng are all packages you can install[05:30:48] <jmcp> IP failover ... my first thought was IPMP (IP multipathing) but I'm pretty sure that's been superseded by Crossbow, as galt mentioned[05:31:19] <jmcp> that'll be in the http://docs.sun.com/doc/819-3000 System Administration Guide: IP Services and http://docs.sun.com/doc/819-6990 System Administration Guide: Network Interfaces and Network Virtualization[05:32:34] <Psi-Jack> Cool. I'm not looking for extremely advanced routing, but reasonable simple routing suffices as well. ;)[05:33:09] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[05:34:42] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[05:36:07] *** andersenep has quit IRC[05:36:08] *** andersenep_ is now known as andersenep[05:42:02] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:42:37] *** yippi has quit IRC[05:47:40] <richlowe> jmcp: ipmp was changed heavily, but is still ipmp, I think[05:47:57] <jmcp> it's not an area I keep track of[05:48:06] <jmcp> too much going on in storage-land :)[05:53:11] *** jan__ has joined #opensolaris[05:55:43] <CIA-21> bo zhou - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Bo.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6938643 Erie PCI-EM hotplug failed to dettach driver[05:56:20] *** Odin- has quit IRC[05:56:24] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[05:56:56] <Shoggoth> morning all[05:57:06] *** fOB_2 has quit IRC[05:58:54] * snuff-home is awaiting sun next-gen storage :)[05:59:33] <lblume> Is there a way to make Studio 12.1 accept to build with a static void function that returns a value?[06:04:45] <richlowe> fixing the code would be the easiest.[06:05:27] *** p3rror has quit IRC[06:10:23] *** swa_work has quit IRC[06:11:03] <jmcp> lblume: a function that is declared void may *not* return a value. Thus Spake The Standard[06:11:07] <jmcp> that's the point of void[06:11:18] <jmcp> let me guess "but it compiles fine with gcc...."[06:11:36] <ttys0> LOL[06:12:17] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[06:14:52] <Psi-Jack> How can I tell wether I'm running 32-bit or 64-bit mode?[06:15:04] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris[06:15:10] <lewellyn> smrt: explain bitnes[06:15:10] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about bitnes...[06:15:11] <lewellyn> smrt: explain bitness[06:15:11] <smrt> Solaris will install/boot a 64-bit kernel automatically if it detects that your machine supports it. The userland is mostly 32-bit as most software does not not take advantage of 64-bitness anyhow. You can check the bitness of the booted kernel with: isainfo -b[06:15:45] <Psi-Jack> Awesome. ;)[06:15:47] <lewellyn> the bot knows much :)[06:16:06] <jmcp> Psi-Jack: you actually have to force 64bit hw to boot 32bit[06:16:23] <jmcp> Psi-Jack: that said, don't go assuming that all the binaries on your system are 64bit[06:16:37] <jmcp> not necessary for most utilities, frankly[06:16:37] <lewellyn> or that you're using the 64-bit software[06:16:41] <jmcp> correct[06:16:44] <lewellyn> like ls![06:16:57] <jmcp> fwflash, fr'instance, is 32bit only[06:17:15] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[06:17:17] <lewellyn> (this channel made me aware that there's a 64-bit ls, and i still am not sure what it gains)[06:17:30] <jmcp> lewellyn: depends on how large you pr0n stash is, doesn't it[06:17:54] <lewellyn> lblume speculated that it may handle future dates better, too[06:18:10] <lewellyn> but yeah. if i have THAT many files in a single directory, i'm doing it wrong[06:18:36] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[06:19:22] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[06:19:42] <lblume> jmcp: You are right and guesed very well.[06:20:38] <lblume> It's Squid2.7STABLE9. S4 built fine. It seems those value returned are veeeery important for security or something.[06:22:27] <lewellyn> jmcp: keep in mind that (unless i'm using ms-dos < 2.0...), i never even get hit by the FAT root directory file limitation[06:22:48] <lewellyn> i don't like unmanageable numbers of files someplace i've got to look at :)[06:26:01] *** DmVWaPM7X has joined #opensolaris[06:27:01] *** zedrich has quit IRC[06:27:06] <Doc> hmm.. James Gosling resigned[06:29:31] <lewellyn> oh, did it hit /.?[06:29:34] <taemun> is there an easy way to pipe an ssh session to two endpoints?[06:29:37] <taemun> so someone else can watch?[06:29:51] <Shoggoth> yes /.'d[06:29:56] <Guest26139> is AHCI important for SATA drives?[06:30:42] *** Guest26139 is now known as bdrewery[06:30:47] <lewellyn> taemun: like screen -x or dtach?[06:30:48] *** bdrewery has quit IRC[06:30:48] *** bdrewery has joined #opensolaris[06:30:51] <lewellyn> bda: yes[06:30:57] <taemun> perhaps, i'll have a look thanks[06:31:00] <lewellyn> bda: sorry[06:31:04] <Doc> ttysnoop[06:31:04] <lewellyn> bdrewery: yes[06:31:09] <Doc> although ssh integration with it isnt good[06:31:23] <taemun> Doc was that @ me?[06:31:33] <Doc> yes[06:31:38] <taemun> cheers[06:32:12] <Psi-Jack> Heh[06:32:13] <bdrewery> lewellyn: Well I'm looking at the supermicro board H8DI3+-F and its chipset is not listed on the HCL, the other ones they offer are listd on the HCL but don't have AHCI as far as I can tell, so I'm hesitant to buy the board without knowing if it will work[06:32:54] <lewellyn> i knoe noyhinh og yhsy board[06:32:58] *** blizzow has quit IRC[06:33:01] <lewellyn> damned home row[06:33:10] <lewellyn> know nothing of that, even[06:33:12] <Doc> doncha hate off-by-one bugs[06:33:18] <taemun> bdrewery: I'm running my system with AHCI[06:33:18] <bdrewery> well their OS compat list says it works on Solaris 10 update 7, but not u8 and they don't list after that.. heh[06:33:25] <Psi-Jack> So it seems Crossbow is what I really should be looking into. ;)[06:33:41] <lewellyn> bdrewery: i'd expect it to work then[06:33:50] *** ElllisD has joined #opensolaris[06:33:52] <lewellyn> does their download say which driver it uses?[06:34:03] <bdrewery> guess I'll take a chance, I'm very new to opensolaris, coming for dedup support[06:34:29] * lewellyn lets others tell bdrewery their first hand accounts of dedupe's pitfalls[06:34:47] <bdrewery> it seems to work fine on my test system[06:34:50] <lewellyn> bdrewery: if they have a driver download, download it and look for what the driver's name is[06:34:52] <bdrewery> with verify[06:35:23] <lewellyn> if you can't find it in the download, link the download and someone here can surely look :)[06:36:12] *** jmcp has quit IRC[06:36:47] <ElllisD> how can i remove all the excess junk thats installed with osol? locales, internationalization, drivers, etc[06:37:19] <lewellyn> launch the package manager gui and unclick their boxes?[06:37:36] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[06:37:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[06:37:41] <lewellyn> though keep in mind that lots of us rely on what you call "excess junk"[06:37:55] <ElllisD> so far ive had to create and mount an alternat boot environment & try each removal one at a time- terrible pita imo[06:38:07] <ElllisD> hmm[06:38:15] <lewellyn> jmcp: 你好！ ：D[06:38:59] <lewellyn> ElllisD: protip: X11 takes more space than the "excess junk"[06:40:10] <ElllisD> I'd love to see that go, too. The only app I care to have running is vbox headless & whatever's needed to remotely manage it. AFAIK only Solaris provided a headless install option, & now it's oraclized & unusable.[06:40:25] <jmcp> ElllisD: "oraclized" ?[06:40:29] <jmcp> meaning what, exactly?[06:40:39] <ElllisD> bought by oracle- relicensed[06:40:49] *** balrog has joined #opensolaris[06:41:01] <jmcp> really? I wasn't aware that they'd decided to change it from GPLv2 to something else[06:41:06] <jmcp> where did you see that please?[06:41:11] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[06:41:33] <ElllisD> somewhere it says you have to have support for your authorization for use to be valid[06:41:41] *** DmVWaPM7X has quit IRC[06:41:46] <jmcp> "somewhere" == FUDland[06:41:52] <jmcp> url or it didn't happen[06:42:05] <lblume> jmcp: I think he was referring to Solaris, not VBox. Anyway, time for lunch.[06:42:13] <ElllisD> http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source/license-change-leaves-sun-solaris-users-crossroads-858?page=0,0[06:42:29] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[06:42:30] <Shoggoth> lblume: lunch? you in WA?[06:42:55] <jmcp> ElllisD: which, again is _Solaris_, not VBox[06:43:06] <jmcp> and they are two separate products, with separate licenses[06:43:43] <ElllisD> Except Solaris was the only zfs-based server able to be installed minimal & headless from the start[06:43:56] <lewellyn> and my reading of the license is that if you have an RTU already, you're fine.[06:44:04] <jmcp> you were complaining that Oracle changed the license on VirtualBox - which it hasn't[06:44:11] <jmcp> please keep separate things separate[06:44:42] <ElllisD> now to have vbox run on a zfs server I have to use opensolaris, which requires all this extra be installed- never complained about vbox[06:44:49] <lewellyn> the only real change is that they specify the length of the time you can run solaris 10 without an RTU rather than leaving it vague, and it's currently impossible to get a new RTU (which i expect to change soon)[06:45:18] * jmcp gives up[06:45:18] <richlowe> Oh, you're saying that of solaris v. osol, only solaris let you not install X? You're looking for the text install CD[06:45:30] <ElllisD> didnt know of it[06:45:37] <lewellyn> i have seen nowhere on sun.com/oracle.com that says "you must buy support to run solaris", just "you must buy support to get support for solaris"[06:45:48] <jmcp> smrt: explain gdm[06:45:48] <smrt> GNOME display manager, the default login GUI in OpenSolaris. Replaces dtlogin, the CDE login gui, from older Solaris releases. Error logs are found in /var/log/gdm/:0.log by default for the console :0 display.[06:45:54] <lewellyn> smrt: explain text installer[06:45:55] <smrt> OpenSolaris does not yet officially have a text installer. BUT, there's one coming. Read more at http://sparcv9.blogspot.com/2009/08/opensolaris-text-based-installer.html and http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/TextInstallerProject/ or download a build 134 prototype at http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+caiman/Text+Install+b134+Notes[06:45:56] <ElllisD> Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract for the downloaded Software.[06:45:58] <lewellyn> smrt: explain jeos[06:45:59] <smrt> JeOS is focused on delivering examples of heavily reduced, text-based, headless server-oriented forms of the Sun-managed OpenSolaris distribution such that developers and administrators can more easily realize application-tailored installations of OpenSolaris in virtual appliance, cloud and bare metal environments. http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+jeos/WebHome[06:46:07] <ElllisD> tyvm[06:46:11] <lewellyn> ElllisD: no. unless you acquire an RTU[06:46:12] <jmcp> ElllisD: Solaris 10 is not OpenSolaris[06:46:41] <CodeWar> nexenta(or) had a good headless installation too[06:46:46] <lewellyn> unless you can point me to an oracle document that specifies otherwise, i am going to go by what the license says[06:47:25] <lewellyn> ElllisD: btw, smart admins do full installs of solaris 10 ;)[06:47:33] <jmcp> and turn off services that they don't need[06:47:36] <CodeWar> lewellyn, I downloaded Solaris 10 a few days ago and am waiting for 90 days to see what exactly happens :-)[06:47:42] <jmcp> and don't make assumptions about what bits they really require on disk[06:47:50] <lewellyn> your complaint is opposite what most of us have: opensolaris won't let us install enough of it[06:48:01] <lewellyn> CodeWar: you'll just be in violation of the license if you don't get an rtu[06:48:04] <Psi-Jack> Hmm[06:48:16] <ElllisD> why would anyone want all that? when 1% is utilized?[06:48:22] <lewellyn> CodeWar: how severe that is... i can't answer :)[06:48:33] <CodeWar> the clock wont stop ticking I guess[06:48:42] <Psi-Jack> How do I show the current default route?[06:48:56] <lewellyn> ElllisD: the disk space is cheaper than me hunting down a package when i run some little-known support utility for a piece of software i'm having issues with.[06:48:58] <Psi-Jack> Err, gateway. ;)[06:49:07] <ElllisD> ok[06:49:08] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: netstat -rn[06:49:10] <Shoggoth> netstat -rn[06:49:17] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: just like anywhere else ;)[06:49:27] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh. Why do I always forget netstat for that? LOL[06:49:29] <Shoggoth> look for the route for net 0.0.0.0[06:49:31] <Psi-Jack> Too used to Linux. ;)[06:49:37] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: works on linux too[06:49:51] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. ;)[06:49:55] <Shoggoth> works on just about any un*x worth it's salt[06:50:04] <lewellyn> i think it even works in windows[06:50:10] <Shoggoth> lmao.. indeed[06:50:19] <Shoggoth> if you can decipher the way windows does things[06:50:21] <Shoggoth> ;)[06:51:07] <lewellyn> winkey+R cmd <enter> netstat -nr <enter>[06:51:27] <Shoggoth> yep... the output has always seemed overly complicated to me...[06:51:42] <lewellyn> | awk[06:51:44] <lewellyn> :)[06:51:46] <Shoggoth> lots of extra routes going nowhere[06:51:52] * lewellyn awks a lot[06:51:54] <Shoggoth> if only it were so[06:52:04] * Shoggoth loves awk and sed[06:52:29] <lewellyn> Description=$(awk "NR==$PassNumber" "$1/captions.txt")[06:52:46] <palowoda> If you use linux than your a gawker.[06:52:54] <lewellyn> palowoda: nah. mawk.[06:53:04] <lewellyn> gawk's slow.[06:53:14] <Shoggoth> lol... I had a friend at Uni who wanted to write a parallel version of awk[06:53:22] <Shoggoth> drumroll..... pawk[06:53:24] <Shoggoth> ;)[06:53:34] <lewellyn> i tried. there are issues with the concept[06:53:51] <Shoggoth> Oh I don't think he'd actually thought about implementation ... just the name[06:54:05] <palowoda> Too bad there wasn't a fawk.[06:54:13] <Shoggoth> indeed[06:54:16] <Shoggoth> or sqawk[06:54:18] <Shoggoth> dawk[06:54:20] <Shoggoth> tawk[06:54:22] <Shoggoth> ....[06:54:39] <Shoggoth> qawk ?[06:54:54] <CodeWar> /clear[06:54:58] <Shoggoth> :)[06:55:07] <ElllisD> if i just reboot into a previous environment, would that undo the changes i made uninstalling stuff?[06:55:36] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: at one point, i was writing a cms in awk[06:55:43] <Shoggoth> neat-o[06:55:51] <lewellyn> i even got most of the way through a mod_awk for apache[06:55:56] <lewellyn> ElllisD: should[06:55:57] <Shoggoth> why not... it's turing complete[06:56:19] <lewellyn> it's less ugly than the average php, and gains geek points :)[06:56:23] <ElllisD> ty, reinstalling & upgrading to dev build took forever[06:56:38] <Shoggoth> nothing is uglier than php[06:56:48] <Shoggoth> hell I'd rather write cobol...[06:56:52] <lewellyn> lisp :)[06:57:01] <Shoggoth> hey... I like lisp[06:57:11] <lewellyn> until you need to make a printout of the sources[06:57:17] <Shoggoth> (it's(got(way(too(many)))))[06:57:20] <lewellyn> and you get 3 pages of closing parens[06:57:40] <Shoggoth> but at least you can do neat things with it... php is just perl for kids who don't grok perl[06:58:18] <lewellyn> whch is sed and awk and sh for kids who can't write things themselves[06:58:31] <Shoggoth> too true[06:58:49] *** sstallion_ has quit IRC[06:59:24] <Shoggoth> I dunno... I just never understood the point of php... it looks like perl with lots of bits removed and different evaluation semantics.... just plain confusing and pointless... just use perl ffs[06:59:58] <lewellyn> sure, the 150 line script i did in sh earlier may have been 50 in perl, but perl would have required countless modules[07:00:07] <Aria> Two words. Wide deployment integrated with a webserver.[07:00:07] <Aria> Okay, I fail at two words.[07:00:07] <Shoggoth> hey... maybe we should get everyone using INTERCAL[07:00:10] <Aria> Too much PHP ;-)[07:00:12] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[07:00:30] <lewellyn> Aria: cgi is even more widely-deployed\[07:00:37] *** gabo has joined #opensolaris[07:00:48] <Aria> I'm not sure that's true.[07:00:56] <lewellyn> it is[07:01:11] <Aria> Since CGI encourages people to write scripts that take down hosts with the load of forking and loading code on every hit.[07:01:12] * Shoggoth is ready to build a time machine to go back and kill Bill Gates at birth[07:01:33] <Aria> And is generally considered an addon or security risk by most hosts.[07:02:35] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[07:02:37] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: then we wouldn't have the mac![07:02:39] <Andys^> there's FastCGI[07:02:45] <Aria> Yes, there is.[07:02:49] <lewellyn> fcgi != cgi[07:02:53] <Andys^> and there's also Embperl (Embedded Perl, like HTML with PHP but with perl as the language instead)[07:03:04] <Andys^> i used to use it before i found ruby+rails[07:03:06] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[07:03:11] <Aria> However anyone who thinks that's a drop-in replacement for either CGI or PHP's upload-and-run has never used it.[07:03:14] <Andys^> now its been ~4 years since I've touched perl[07:03:54] * Shoggoth wouldn't mind so much if Jobs had never appeared either even though he's an old time NeXTstep hack[07:04:00] <Aria> And there's mod_js and mod_ruby and eruby and erb and mod_lua and scgi and python and mod_python and all sorts of things.[07:05:06] *** zedrich has joined #opensolaris[07:05:47] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: have you ever had the pleasure of building an unattended install ISO for windoze?[07:06:45] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: i use the windows deployment kit[07:06:48] <lewellyn> pxe++[07:07:55] <Shoggoth> meh... not an option in this case unfortunately[07:08:01] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[07:08:17] *** chendy has quit IRC[07:08:25] <lewellyn> well, you can also have it generate an iso which will install the os from the server[07:08:30] <lewellyn> not unlike the ai cd[07:08:41] <Shoggoth> again not an option[07:08:53] <Shoggoth> completely isolated machines[07:09:42] <Shoggoth> Andys^: what are you using in lieu of perl?[07:10:47] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: I was using nLite... but it's got some odd bugs that have never seemed to be fixed[07:11:10] <Shoggoth> it definately doesn't like you if your locale isn't USA[07:12:20] <Shoggoth> Andys^: ahh I see from your previous comment that you're now a RoR fan[07:16:10] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: i don't use things like that, sorry[07:16:41] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: the official methods are better for slipstreaming and such, imo[07:17:27] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: you're undoubtably right but I don't really have much familiarity with the tools and I probably don't have access to all the necessary bits[07:19:34] <lewellyn> the bits are more accessible than people would think :) but it's off topic here, so i'll stop talking about it. :) (though the caiman team wouldn't suffer from playing with the current windows deployment tools)[07:22:25] <Shoggoth> yes that is one thing that M$ have gotten somewhat right... things like group policy editor etc.[07:22:28] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[07:22:33] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[07:24:20] <Aria> Speaking of PHP, I crashed it. Again.[07:26:02] <lewellyn> Shoggoth: i mean the actual deployment (e.g. installation)[07:26:34] <Shoggoth> lewellyn: maybe... there seems to be a lot of cruft under the hood[07:27:11] <lewellyn> for end-users maybe :)[07:33:49] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[07:39:14] *** system5 has quit IRC[07:42:48] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[07:46:32] *** paddy has quit IRC[07:46:45] *** paddy has joined #opensolaris[07:48:45] *** ElllisD has left #opensolaris[07:49:03] *** smrt has quit IRC[07:55:43] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:55:47] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:56:21] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[07:56:29] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[07:56:45] *** ElllisD has joined #opensolaris[07:57:24] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[07:59:00] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[08:02:54] *** icarus901 has quit IRC[08:10:52] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[08:13:31] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[08:13:41] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[08:17:45] *** gabo has quit IRC[08:19:26] *** dama0 has quit IRC[08:26:07] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[08:28:08] *** eycel1 has joined #opensolaris[08:33:11] *** gabo has joined #opensolaris[08:33:28] <Shoggoth> someone please help me with my pktool problem I'm getting no traction on the opensolaris crypto forum[08:37:43] *** gabo has quit IRC[09:02:10] <lewellyn> oh. smrt died[09:02:34] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[09:04:21] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[09:11:26] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[09:14:01] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[09:27:26] <Psi-Jack> Heh[09:28:12] <lewellyn> smrt: explain ntfs[09:28:13] <smrt> Read/write is supported via FUSE and NTFS-3G. FUSE is still beta, but http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=513 has an example for installing NTFS-3G. SFEntfs-3g is also available in SFE. You will need to install SUNWfusefs/SUNWlibfuse first, regardless. (See also: spec-files-extra)[09:28:30] <Psi-Jack> Awww, fuse is beta?[09:28:44] <lewellyn> perpetually[09:28:51] <Psi-Jack> heh[09:29:05] <lewellyn> just like opensolaris is perpetually alpha :)[09:29:18] <Psi-Jack> I think I'm going to like opensolaris, though. ;)[09:29:46] <Psi-Jack> I just need to wrap my head around it, cause it's VERY different to what I'm used to.[09:29:52] <lewellyn> someone needs to take the time to build the fuse bits and put them online[09:30:08] <Psi-Jack> Heck, I'm still failing to just setup basic networking without the nwam.[09:30:37] <lewellyn> tell the thing you want to use manual network settings and fill in the blanks :)[09:30:43] <Psi-Jack> Did.[09:30:57] <lewellyn> that should "just work(tm)"[09:30:58] <ElllisD> The file installer wont close after its done....lol[09:31:07] <lewellyn> ElllisD: file installer?[09:31:07] <Psi-Jack> And. it didn't work. Network all setup, but default gateway didn't get assigned, and no network connectivity.[09:31:17] <ElllisD> file for win[09:32:39] <ElllisD> not a recognized command either, hmm- maybe i should just use the fuse to read the tar from my usb drive..[09:35:02] <ElllisD> omg- id rather reinstall my machines from scratch than go through all that ntfs 3g stuff... daunting to one whos never compiled[09:35:35] <lewellyn> heh[09:35:49] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: hm.[09:35:53] <lewellyn> smrt: explain static ip[09:35:54] <smrt> There is no reason to disable NWAM just to configure a static IP address. NWAM deals just fine with this scenario, even though there is no GUI widget for it. http://blogs.sun.com/PlasticPixel/entry/nwam_static_ip_address_for (Alternatively, add a reservation to your DHCP server.) See also: http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo200906/How+to+Manually+Configure+Network+Settings[09:36:02] <lewellyn> did you follow that second url?[09:39:42] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[09:43:22] *** nevdull has joined #opensolaris[09:46:35] <gosx> lewellyn: it works great for one static, i couldn't get nwam to work for two statics[09:47:33] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: Well, one thing it looks like I'll specifically need to do is disable nwam, and go default, due to me wanting to look into Crossbow.[09:50:21] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[09:50:35] <Psi-Jack> lewellyn: The fact I'm in VirtualBox with network in bridged mode shouldn't be a factor in this either. So, as you said, it should just work. heh[09:52:15] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[09:52:16] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[09:52:34] *** Aria has quit IRC[09:52:59] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[09:53:22] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[09:54:10] <Psi-Jack> Clean reboot with all the network settings in place. I get DNS errors, and resolv.conf points to the internal DNS.[09:54:30] <ElllisD> when I try to open a 7zip file it says 'Error: Incorrect command line' Installed are p7zip & SUNWp7zip. This didnt happen prior to updating to dev build...[09:55:14] <ElllisD> maybe it because the files remote[09:55:50] <ElllisD> yup[09:56:25] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[09:57:02] *** ma3x has quit IRC[09:57:34] <lewellyn> gosx: nwam only handles a single interface right now. there are actually unforeseen advantages to that :)[09:58:01] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[09:58:05] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: yeah. i thought "manual" mode disabled nwam[09:58:11] *** justnow has joined #opensolaris[09:58:24] <lewellyn> smrt: explain nsswitch.conf[09:58:24] <smrt> nsswitch.conf is used to determine the order in which OpenSolaris consults various name services. Commonly, the order of the 'hosts' entry needs to be changed to specify which order to use files, dns, nis, ldap, etc. You probably want to 'cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf', or just read the nsswitch.conf man page.[09:58:30] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: that help? :)[09:58:39] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh[09:59:04] <Psi-Jack> Heh, what moron decided it should be only files? LOL[09:59:33] <lewellyn> lots of solaris hasn't been updated since the dark ages, notably default options and the userland :)[09:59:52] <Psi-Jack> okay, so hosts, I set to dns, files[10:00:33] <lewellyn> just cp the file and be done with it :)[10:02:00] <Psi-Jack> Do I need to restart something for that to take effect?[10:04:56] <lewellyn> maybe name-service-cache[10:04:59] <lewellyn> unlikey though[10:05:31] <Psi-Jack> I rebooted, and it worked, finally. So likely so.[10:07:13] <Psi-Jack> So.. Now that I have that part functional, finally. LOL[10:07:25] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[10:08:00] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[10:10:25] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[10:13:36] *** nevdull has quit IRC[10:17:29] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[10:19:58] *** justnow has quit IRC[10:20:15] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[10:20:50] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[10:23:49] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[10:24:01] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[10:35:12] *** PhlowX has joined #opensolaris[10:38:02] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[10:39:54] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[10:40:28] *** icarus901 has joined #opensolaris[10:42:29] *** gjl has joined #opensolaris[10:43:24] * causality wonders if anyone would actually laugh out loud over dns resolver issues[10:43:48] *** PhlowX has quit IRC[10:45:02] *** ganbold has quit IRC[10:46:00] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[10:51:25] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[10:53:25] <ElllisD> is there really no web console for opensolaris?[10:53:43] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[10:55:12] <causality> a web console for what?[10:55:19] <ElllisD> zfs admiin[10:55:27] <galt> you know I REALLY hate people who do't look for something and ask "is there really no <something> in <OS>?"[10:55:39] <causality> ElllisD i'm sure someone's written one somewhere[10:55:42] <causality> it's not a hard thing to do[10:56:54] <ElllisD> wow- firestarter.... google says you have to rip packages off solaris express. im not clear on right to use restrictions on the new sol licensing so im hesitant to do so[10:59:24] <samc> Solaris 10 had SMC, but I think that's been ditched in opensolaris in favour of visual panels[10:59:32] <samc> Don't know if there's a way to web-ify them though[10:59:56] <galt> okay, I didn't think that you could go any lower in my opinion of you ElllisD, but you just did. WTF does gthe new solaris licensing terms have to do with opensolaris or SXCE, which was abandoned six months ago?[11:00:16] <samc> :o[11:02:57] <ElllisD> solaris is not free anymore. your right to use is only over 90 days with a support contract. theres mention of this applying to 'downloaded software' which i would imagine includes components thereof.[11:03:11] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[11:03:23] <ElllisD> "In order to use the Solaris 10 Operating System for perpetual commercial use, each system running the Solaris 10 OS must have an entitlement to do so. The Entitlement Document is delivered to you either with a new Sun system, from Sun Services as part of your service agreement, or via e-mail when you register your systems through the Sun Download Center."[11:03:44] <galt> that has nothing to do with opensolaris or SXCE[11:04:04] <galt> SXCE was never under those terms, and opensolaris is straight CDDL[11:04:34] <galt> so basically, you're spreading FUD[11:04:46] <lewellyn> ElllisD: why do you need a web gui for two commands? :P[11:05:03] <ElllisD> it has to do with the feature im looking to utilize however, the posted workaround to smcwebserver not being included in opensolaris is to install components from solaris.[11:05:10] <lewellyn> and solaris was only free to use as long as you have a RTU[11:05:15] <lewellyn> nothing's changed, as i said before.[11:05:19] <lewellyn> no[11:05:22] <lewellyn> you don't want smc[11:05:23] <lewellyn> seriously.[11:05:24] <Psi-Jack> What is RTU?[11:05:36] <nikolam> lewellyn, I liked and use firestarter on ubuntu for firewall settings. it is quite nice ;)[11:05:38] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: right-to-use. a license. a certificate of entitlement.[11:05:47] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. How do you get RTU?[11:05:52] <lewellyn> nikolam: i have no clue what you're talking about :)[11:06:11] <lewellyn> Psi-Jack: until oracle stopped sending them out automatically, you filled out the form when you downloaded[11:06:18] <Psi-Jack> Heh[11:06:19] <nikolam> :)http://www.fs-security.com/[11:06:25] <lewellyn> the future isn't here yet, so we don't know whether they'll start back up or not[11:06:34] <ElllisD> apparently i encouraged what seemed an enflamed response, referred to it as firestarter is all[11:06:40] <lewellyn> there have been no announcements. emails simply quietly stopped being sent[11:07:14] <lewellyn> ElllisD: if you REALLY need a gui, there's webmin[11:07:18] <lewellyn> it's even in the package repository[11:07:34] <lewellyn> but really zpool create && zfs create[11:07:36] <ElllisD> yeah, its in- doesnt see the disks i want to add tho[11:07:36] <lewellyn> that's all you need[11:07:46] <galt> no, the encouragement was your " is there really no web console for opensolaris?"[11:07:58] <lewellyn> it takes longer waiting for smc to load the first page than it does to create a pool and dataset by hand :)[11:08:12] <ElllisD> o[11:08:32] <lewellyn> if you REALLY want to use that piece of crap, feel free. but you won't find love and help here.[11:08:43] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:08:49] <galt> clearly you didn't want to do your own work looking or it, so you made a question designed to annoy a response. you got one, happy?[11:08:54] <ElllisD> i liked how nexentastor used checkboxes[11:09:00] * lewellyn always had hope smc would stop sucking. now that it's dead, i don't have to pretend it may eventually be good anymore[11:09:04] <nikolam> But Firestarter looks fine, dot you think lewellyn ;)[11:09:13] <lewellyn> nikolam: no clue. never seen it[11:09:24] <nikolam> lewellyn, got a link http://www.fs-security.com/[11:09:39] <lewellyn> nikolam: firefox is pegging all my cores. :P[11:09:44] <lewellyn> not adding to that right now[11:09:57] <nikolam> Nothinkspecial, just setting ports in a list and some other things and forwarding[11:10:18] <ElllisD> lewellyn: multithreaded firefox?[11:10:26] <nikolam> lewellyn, wow. ;) use noscript+flashblock addons[11:10:31] <lewellyn> webmin does solaris firewalling nicely enough. and afaik, it has a zfs gui of sorts, but launching a browser takes longer than launching a terminal[11:10:38] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:10:41] <galt> lewellyn: OOM isn't pegging your cores, BTW, look at your loadavg[11:10:50] <lewellyn> nikolam: it's a flash thing i'm working on :P[11:10:58] <lewellyn> galt: this is osx[11:11:08] <lewellyn> 2:15 up 15 days, 7:52, 2 users, load averages: 0.95 0.86 0.89[11:11:12] <nikolam> lewellyn, didnt hear flash is intended to die? :))[11:11:21] <galt> at least on apple[11:11:23] <lewellyn> nikolam: doesn't help that it's not dead yet[11:11:48] <lewellyn> anyhow. it's 2am. and i have a train to be on at 9. so nose to the grindstone now[11:11:56] <galt> lewellyn: well, next osx, you mightn't have to worry, since adobe is not happy with apple ATM ;P[11:11:56] * nikolam dont even know what is smc ;)[11:12:33] <lewellyn> galt: they've never been happy with each other[11:12:35] *** twisti has quit IRC[11:12:48] <nikolam> apple is making ATM machines? Wow :))[11:13:56] <galt> lewellyn: I've never seen an actual quote of "Go screw yourself Apple." until recently though ;P[11:14:27] <lewellyn> you've not watched enough :)[11:14:46] <galt> they may have been THINKING about it, but they've never come out and said it[11:14:46] <lewellyn> they threatened to stop making mac products when apple started to compete, using FCP[11:15:17] *** merzo has quit IRC[11:15:51] <nikolam> Anyway, still freezing X with i915 on snv_134. Newest think is I get X restarting with apps on 131, just think it is in moments when nbook is locked and unused[11:15:59] <ElllisD> zfs seems incredibly complicated based on the docs i see, yet it's only 2 commands to add a disk? I don't even know how to see the disks in /dev...[11:16:16] <lewellyn> echo | pfexec format[11:16:25] <Andys^> ElllisD: understanding it in depth is complicated, but to actually administer it is dead simple[11:16:48] <ElllisD> is there a cheat sheet somewhere?[11:17:07] <galt> yes, docs.su.com, "ZFS Administration Guide"[11:17:15] <galt> docs.sun.com even[11:17:31] <ElllisD> yes the big ones i mentioned... ugh[11:17:49] <nikolam> galt, it is just shame how they are bashing around pheir powerpc users now.[11:18:26] <galt> nikolam: from the iphoneos$ EULA, they're not just keeping it to the powermacs[11:18:28] <nikolam> ElllisD, man zfs might help in short, too ;)[11:18:35] <Andys^> ElllisD: yeah, "man zpool" followed by "man zfs" explains 99% of what you need to know :)[11:18:42] <ElllisD> sweet thx[11:19:11] <galt> not often RTFM gets "sweet, thx" ;P[11:19:12] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[11:19:46] <ElllisD> <-- often overlooks the obvious.... ;)[11:20:53] <Psi-Jack> Well, now that's.... Interesting/[11:21:10] <Psi-Jack> I just did that "echo | pfexec format",.[11:23:18] <Psi-Jack> Yeaah... I'm going to definitely need to learn this opensolaris.[11:24:25] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[11:27:07] <Psi-Jack> I am curious though...[11:27:29] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[11:27:46] <Psi-Jack> How would OpenSolaris handle video playback from like XVid, DivX, etc.. For a multimedia server and such?[11:27:46] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[11:28:23] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[11:28:30] <Psi-Jack> Nvidia video itself seems to be supported.. Just audio may be an issue, but I haven't tested if the onboard audio will work. SB Audigy obviously will fail.[11:29:08] <nikolam> Psi-Jack, it plays quite fine form mplayer and totem. Just it seems noonle likes vlc. i found 1.01 somewhere but didnt test yet[11:29:32] <Psi-Jack> I'd likely be using XBMC, under Zones, or so.[11:29:34] <nikolam> Psi-Jack, i suppose mounting Nfs volumes works the best[11:30:13] *** tsoome has quit IRC[11:30:26] <Psi-Jack> Basically my NAS server is what I'm looking at. It does my Raid10 (presently), XBMC, and rtorrent server.[11:30:36] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[11:31:00] <nikolam> osol support sell hardware right now. See Hcl on Opensolaris.org. And post your config with comments using applications>device driver utility[11:31:11] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[11:31:52] <nikolam> transmission comes with osol and has deamon and web interface, too[11:32:13] <Psi-Jack> Bleh, transmission is.. Okay. But I prefer rtorrent.[11:32:36] <Psi-Jack> ruTorrent is an awesome web interface. :)[11:32:46] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[11:32:52] <Psi-Jack> They took uTorrent's web UI, and made it even better, and cross-browser capable.[11:33:13] <nikolam> you can try running it in a zone or something ;) or ask ruTorrents to port to Osol. Or do it yourself ;)[11:34:21] <Psi-Jack> I'd actually prolly prefer it in a zone, if I can get full functionality out of it. ;)[11:34:35] <Psi-Jack> It is, afterall, a NAS server, so security does still need to be considered. ;)[11:34:35] <nikolam> type /msg smrt explain spec-file-extra[11:35:03] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[11:35:09] <nikolam> type /msg smrt explain sfe[11:35:11] *** eleusis has quit IRC[11:35:11] <Psi-Jack> Hmm interesting.[11:35:25] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[11:35:39] <nikolam> type /msg smrt explain spec-files-extra sorry[11:35:43] <Psi-Jack> LOL[11:35:51] <Psi-Jack> Cool[11:36:08] <galt> Psi-Jack: " SB Audigy obviously will fail."? You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means[11:36:15] <Psi-Jack> I just read the report HCL's gonna send, and apparently my NAS server's got a 3.8 GHz CPU running at only 3.2..[11:36:43] <galt> my audigy works fine in opensolaris via boomer[11:36:53] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[11:36:53] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[11:37:03] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm[11:37:18] <Psi-Jack> galt: HCL DDT reported "No Solaris Driver"[11:37:44] <Psi-Jack> For the Multimedia and Other parts of it (other = game port, unimportant), but has support for it's Firewire. LOL[11:38:17] <RoyK^> <galt> not often RTFM gets "sweet, thx" ; <-- Andys^' answer was quite nice, though, not the general RTFM bark :)[11:38:43] <galt> RoyK: it should have been[11:38:52] <RoyK^> not really[11:38:59] <galt> guy was trying to get us to do his research, we proved it[11:39:44] <galt> after that, the only proper response is "RTFM, and until you've done it yourself, don't ask any more"[11:39:57] <ElllisD> I was simply overwhelmed at the volume of information to sift through in order to complete what seemed a simple operation.[11:40:16] <galt> ie you were lazy[11:40:30] <nikolam> Psi-Jack, since xbmc is developed on top of ubuntu, you might check out Nexenta/StormOS , they use .debs[11:40:31] <RoyK^> I disagree - people asking for help doesn't mean they haven't looked already. now, if he comes in and asks how to make a pool, or something easy, then it's time to bark[11:40:49] <ElllisD> The instruction I arrived at kept referring to the java web console[11:41:12] <galt> RoyK: since you decided to chirp in about a conversation you weren't part of it, please at least read the whole thing[11:41:56] <nikolam> yup, people are just talking, we are more friendly by default on #opensolaris then #solaris is , i think ;)[11:42:36] <ElllisD> and #solaris is even friendlier than #lunar, imo[11:43:27] *** _Trullo has left #opensolaris[11:43:40] <nikolam> ElllisD, just, takl tend to be very high quality on opensolaris.[11:44:47] <galt> nikolam: ...until RoyK starts chiming in with his critiquing crap. if he REALLY wanted to be a positive force, he'd answer the questions[11:45:10] <nikolam> galt, thats also true :)[11:47:25] <Psi-Jack> nikolam: Interesting.[11:49:50] <Psi-Jack> nikolam: Though, I don't care wether it uses .debs, or whatever. Just that it works to my needs specifically. ;)[11:50:58] <nikolam> you can try it to make it with them. That would be valuable contribution.[11:51:02] <Psi-Jack> Though, I am actually about to reboot one of my two servers onto a rescue disk and make a quick stage4 tarball of it, cause it's a gentoo server that would take a while to rebuild. ;)[11:51:44] <Psi-Jack> Best way to learn soemthing as technical as OpenSolaris, is to delve right in full force.[11:51:57] <nikolam> Psi-Jack, there is also way to port gentoo software to opensolaris[11:52:11] <Psi-Jack> Oh?[11:52:23] <Psi-Jack> Presently my NAS uses OpenSUSE. LOL[11:53:17] <nikolam> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/prefix/bootstrap-solaris.xml[11:54:31] <nikolam> UH, where to report web page errors, broken links on opensolaris.org ?[11:54:32] <Psi-Jack> heh[11:55:20] <RoyK^> nikolam: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/[11:56:27] <Psi-Jack> This SMF system approach is extremely nice, compared to SysV-style. ;)[11:57:06] <nikolam> RoyK, that is for kernel errors I think.[11:57:28] <nikolam> http://defect.opensolaris.org is for Opensolaris distribution[11:57:35] *** eleusis has quit IRC[11:59:06] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[11:59:15] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[12:01:24] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[12:01:27] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[12:01:30] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[12:06:08] <RoyK^> k[12:06:15] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[12:06:35] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[12:09:06] *** held has joined #opensolaris[12:09:35] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[12:09:54] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[12:11:01] *** heldchen has quit IRC[12:16:46] *** cnu has quit IRC[12:17:02] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[12:20:10] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[12:20:23] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[12:22:30] *** jurikm has joined #opensolaris[12:29:02] *** ubiquitous1980 has joined #opensolaris[12:30:22] *** ubiquitous1980 has quit IRC[12:35:34] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[12:36:16] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:38:55] *** hsp has quit IRC[12:40:10] *** zynox has quit IRC[12:40:20] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[12:44:23] *** strato has joined #opensolaris[12:57:03] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[13:03:41] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[13:04:30] *** dalibor has quit IRC[13:05:32] *** rmorse has joined #opensolaris[13:05:52] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[13:08:51] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[13:10:05] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[13:14:17] *** ElllisD has quit IRC[13:14:47] *** phil has quit IRC[13:15:12] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[13:15:58] *** phil has quit IRC[13:16:23] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[13:16:44] *** phil has quit IRC[13:30:19] *** hnhn has quit IRC[13:30:57] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[13:36:12] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[13:39:56] *** hnhn has joined #opensolaris[13:40:43] *** milek has quit IRC[13:44:49] *** heldchen has joined #opensolaris[13:47:46] *** held has quit IRC[13:51:24] *** held has joined #opensolaris[13:53:51] *** heldchen has quit IRC[14:01:51] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[14:02:05] * ttys0 grumbles ... had no beer last night, and still have a headache and feel lethargic ... *shakes fist at allergies*[14:15:16] *** dalibor has quit IRC[14:17:45] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[14:17:59] *** murakawa has joined #opensolaris[14:24:08] *** jerlique has joined #opensolaris[14:30:07] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[14:33:17] *** ttys0_ has joined #opensolaris[14:33:56] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[14:34:38] *** ttys0 has quit IRC[14:35:05] *** fahadsadah has quit IRC[14:40:20] *** ttys0_ is now known as ttys0[14:41:14] <jbit> ttys0: i had a friend who'd feel hung over on sundays for no apparent reason.. turned out it was caffine withdrawl since he didn't drink coffee on hte weekends...[14:41:53] <ttys0> no coffee on the weekends? that's crazy talk![14:42:15] <jbit> microsofts way of distributing software is shocking[14:42:22] *** justnow has joined #opensolaris[14:42:59] <jbit> visual studio 2010 release candidate: installer inside an iso inside a rar inside an installer split in four peices[14:43:25] <jbit> what i really wanted: web installer since i only want visual c++[14:47:37] *** smrt has quit IRC[14:51:28] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[14:51:36] <jbit> errr... what[14:51:54] <jbit> using hte -pg option with gcc-4.3 on snv134 totally messes things up[14:53:25] <jbit> http://pastebin.com/7vzH0dbF[14:53:50] *** easyE has quit IRC[14:54:45] <jbit> (yes i know there are sun profilers i can use, but that's not really the point :P)[14:55:41] *** leito has quit IRC[14:56:06] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[14:59:17] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[14:59:30] *** murakawa has quit IRC[15:00:38] *** jerlique has quit IRC[15:07:46] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[15:08:39] *** disharmony has quit IRC[15:10:23] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[15:15:47] *** justnow has quit IRC[15:18:02] *** leito has quit IRC[15:21:37] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[15:28:09] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[15:32:11] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[15:33:21] *** dnaumov has quit IRC[15:33:22] *** lyarick has quit IRC[15:33:52] *** dnaumov has joined #opensolaris[15:41:26] *** syamajala has quit IRC[15:45:00] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[15:46:34] *** hnhn has quit IRC[15:56:07] *** jerlique has joined #opensolaris[15:57:05] *** easyE has joined #opensolaris[15:57:08] <jerlique> How do you see what hardware and which drive opensolaris has detected on the system, eg similar outout to dmseg from freebsd?[15:57:16] <easyE> /msg nickserv identify 3asy3[15:58:38] <tsoome> jerlique: most are logged in dmesg & /var/adm/messages, also look prtconf and cfgadm -al and iostat -En[15:59:26] <Meths> Anyone any idea why cfgadm -al only shows me usb devices on OSol b134?[15:59:26] <jerlique> thanks for the tip[16:01:34] <nikolam> easyE, maybe it is time to change password.[16:01:40] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[16:01:43] <easyE> Sure.[16:01:57] <tsoome> Meths: depends a bit on HBA driver, if specific interfaces are implemented.[16:03:53] <Meths> Ah, that makes sense.[16:04:14] *** omry|work has joined #opensolaris[16:04:39] <jerlique> tsoome: I've just change my ehternet card, but I cannot see it in dmesg or the other via the other commands you've given me, its an intel pro 1000. is there any reason the OS will not detect the card?[16:05:26] <tsoome> even if you dont have driver, it should be listed in prtconf, but only by its pci id code[16:05:57] <tsoome> prtconf -D will show nodes with driver name attached to it (if any)[16:07:58] <jerlique> that worked. Thanks. Its amazing how similar and differnet these OS's are....[16:08:33] <tsoome> thats why we have all those different systems:)[16:16:16] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[16:16:28] *** dos123 has joined #opensolaris[16:16:41] *** dos123 has left #opensolaris[16:19:07] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[16:22:38] *** wdp has quit IRC[16:25:02] *** niq has quit IRC[16:26:11] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[16:30:37] *** tdktV5IlmFe has joined #opensolaris[16:32:07] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[16:33:20] <tdktV5IlmFe> hello. I've been updating my 2009.06 to the latest snv and during this update free space on pool ended. What i should do?[16:34:17] <tdktV5IlmFe> i'm creating liveusb now to boot from it. But, maybe there is shorter way?[16:34:57] *** edude03 has quit IRC[16:35:34] <RoyK^> tdktV5IlmFe: deleting files will be a start, but IIRC there's a bug where files can't be deleted if filesystem is full, so you might need to cat /dev/null > file[16:36:09] <tdktV5IlmFe> RoyK^: i can't log in to the system[16:36:51] <tdktV5IlmFe> i thought of trying to boot with read-only /, but i don't know, how to do this[16:38:08] <RoyK^> boot with -single[16:38:17] *** WormDrink has quit IRC[16:39:09] *** WormDrink has joined #opensolaris[16:40:01] <tdktV5IlmFe> wow, could not start init :)[16:41:08] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[16:44:36] <tdktV5IlmFe> ok, liveusb is the only way[16:46:12] *** darrenb has quit IRC[16:50:03] <jerlique> Is it possible to upgrade from 5.11 to 2009.06?[16:53:34] <Hedonista> if i wanted to do "zpool scrub" from cron does it have to be in root's crontab?[16:54:36] <Hedonista> jerlique, 5.11 is the kernel version i beleive[16:55:21] <LadySerena> yes, 5.11 is the kernel version[16:56:01] <jerlique> how do you see which release you are using from the cmd line?[16:56:11] <Hedonista> uname -a[16:56:31] <jerlique> Treid that, but it says sunos[16:56:44] <LadySerena> SunOS is the name of the kernel :D[16:56:48] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[16:57:19] <jerlique> Yeah, I beleive I install the express edtion of solaris. but I'm trying to determine if this is right[16:59:27] *** dnaumov has quit IRC[16:59:33] <LadySerena> uname -o tells you the name of the OS, and uname -v tells you the version (or build) of the OS you're running[16:59:44] *** dnaumov has joined #opensolaris[17:01:34] <\amethyst> uname -o is only in GNU uname[17:02:07] <LadySerena> XD[17:02:14] *** LadyKitty has joined #opensolaris[17:02:30] <LadyKitty> snv_134 Solaris[17:02:51] <LadySerena> Lady Kitty is my laptop, and I just did uname -ov on it[17:03:34] <jerlique> What is the difference between solaris express and opensolaris?[17:03:39] <hrist> maybe because you have some gnu-y stuff in your path?[17:03:43] *** strato has quit IRC[17:03:52] <LadySerena> I'm not sure, as I've only used Solaris and OpenSolaris[17:04:06] <jerlique> ah found it in the faq :)[17:04:15] <jerlique> http://www.genunix2.net:8080/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_FAQ#What_is_the_difference_between_OpenSolaris.2C_Solaris_Express.2C_Solaris_10.2C_etc..3F[17:04:48] <LadySerena> hrist, the PATH on that laptop is still at the default, I haven't changed it[17:05:02] <hrist> just echo $PATH and look for yourself :)[17:05:05] *** strato has joined #opensolaris[17:05:35] *** vivid_ has joined #opensolaris[17:05:53] <LadySerena> Darwin 10.3.0[17:06:00] *** vivid has quit IRC[17:06:00] *** vivid_ has quit IRC[17:06:03] <LadySerena> uname -sr on this machine :D[17:06:09] <hrist> eeeek[17:06:12] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[17:06:16] * Hedonista giggles[17:06:18] <hrist> do u liek mudkipz?[17:06:30] <LadySerena> I LUUUUURRRRRVVVVVEEEE MUDKIPS![17:06:39] <hrist> WEEEEEE[17:06:58] <RoyK^> LadySerena: wtf is that?[17:07:07] <LadySerena> so ya, now you know the OS I'm using on both my laptop and my desktop[17:07:19] * RoyK^ got Darwin 9.8.0[17:07:31] <LadySerena> eeww, outdated[17:07:51] <RoyK^> is darwin 10.3 == MacOS X 10.6?[17:07:56] <LadySerena> YES![17:08:12] <RoyK^> k :)[17:08:17] * LadySerena has 10.6.3[17:08:32] <hrist> hm I have 10.5.8 and I dunnowhat on the mbp[17:08:42] <hrist> 10.5.8 is on the macpro[17:08:52] *** jt has joined #opensolaris[17:08:59] <LadySerena> y'know, the Snow Leopard upgrade only costed me $31 (including sales tax)[17:09:23] <bdrewery> same[17:09:35] <hrist> cost me nuthin since they're both machines at work :>[17:09:43] <hrist> and only one has slowleopard[17:10:00] <LadySerena> then bug yer IT staffs to get Snow Leopard on them[17:10:05] <hrist> why?[17:10:11] <hrist> the mac pro is only running VMs[17:10:27] <hrist> and I don't need shiny UI improvements since it lacks a graphics card xD[17:10:27] <LadySerena> and Snow Leopard is faster than Leopard, at least on my iMac :D[17:10:38] <hrist> the mac pro is fast enough even with leopard :P[17:10:58] <LadySerena> oh, you have an über-Mac[17:11:16] <LadySerena> or, well, have access to an über-[17:11:21] <LadySerena> über-Mac[17:11:50] <hrist> access, ye[17:13:12] * LadyKitty is running OpenSolaris snv_134, pirated from here: http://bit.ly/9F12It[17:14:41] *** dnaumov has quit IRC[17:15:22] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[17:15:30] *** dnaumov has joined #opensolaris[17:16:22] <tsoome> pirated?:P[17:16:41] <LadyKitty> if you believe the content industry[17:17:07] <tsoome> i dont believe them[17:17:33] <LadyKitty> MPAA says anything transferred via BitTorrent is pirated, even if it isn't a movie[17:17:36] <tsoome> the are closed minded, blinded by power of money and greedy.[17:18:16] <jbit> well i guess if LadyKitty didn'T agree to the license agreements then it's pirated[17:19:09] <LadyKitty> actually, I did agree to the license agreements[17:24:04] *** cnu has joined #opensolaris[17:29:10] *** blizzow has joined #opensolaris[17:29:37] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[17:29:46] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[17:29:53] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[17:32:31] <Meths> Is pkgbuild available in a package/repo?[17:32:43] *** lateau has quit IRC[17:34:20] *** vivid has quit IRC[17:40:22] <tomww> smrt explain pkgbuild[17:40:52] <tomww> smrt is offlin.[17:41:44] <tomww> pkgbuild standalone is not so much usefull, usually it is used with a repository of build recipes with a lot of include spec-files[17:43:32] <Meths> That's like saying OO Writer is not useful without a large collection of documents[17:44:34] <Meths> Having to go to a third party website and download the source for one of the main components of a ditributions packaging system is retarded.[17:44:51] <Meths> distribution's*[17:45:46] <RoyK^> which part is that?[17:46:11] <Meths> Which part is what?[17:46:31] <tomww> Meths: you are free to do as you like.[17:46:47] <RoyK^> [17:49] <Meths> Having to go to a third party website and download the source for one of the main components of a ditributions packaging system is retarded.[17:47:06] <Meths> tomww: Of course.[17:47:22] <Meths> RoyK^: pkgbuild[17:47:26] <tomww> pkgbuild is on sourceforge, but as said, it's not usefull standalone, look for the spec-files-extra, spec-files, spec-files-xfce, spec-files-jucr SVN repos to get Solaris specific include spec-files[17:48:43] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[17:49:37] <Meths> tomww: Yes, I can see that. My point is you should be able to build packages (now the main Solaris package distribution format) from software available either in the normal install or in the /release repo.[17:49:59] <tomww> most of OpenSOlaris is still not build with spec files or pkgbuild.[17:50:14] *** gebi has quit IRC[17:50:22] <tomww> only the gnome stuff is made with pkgbuild from the spec-files SVN repositry on opensolaris.org.[17:51:00] *** stewart has quit IRC[17:51:01] <Meths> Do you know if that is going to remain the case or is there an aim to move everything to IPS?[17:51:18] <tomww> pkgbuild was surrounded by a workflow (sourcejuicer) to make outside contribution for addiditonal software a little bit more easy[17:51:44] <tomww> building OpenSolaris itself is still not based on spec files, and I don't know of a change here.[17:52:01] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[17:52:15] <tomww> the change we can see is, that internal building of "ON" was based on SVR4 pacakges, and thats changeing to IPS now.[17:52:50] <tomww> but this is not directly tied to pkgbuild (GNOME builds are made with pkgbuild+SVN-repo, and that doesn't change these days).[17:53:16] <tomww> building GNOME itself is currently transferred to the sourcejuicer like environment[17:57:08] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[17:57:30] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[17:58:06] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[18:00:12] <Meths> hmmm, may see about putting pkgbuild in jucr.[18:00:18] <Meths> tomww: Thanks for the info[18:05:11] <tomww> I think pkgbuild will go into the regular /dev and /release repos this year[18:05:36] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[18:06:44] <Meths> That would be good. On the topic of /dev do you know if it gets a big update/rebuild/cleanup after a release?[18:08:44] <tomww> which part do you mean? pkgbuild?[18:09:53] <tomww> and even with pkgbuild in the IPS repos, it's still necessary to setup a development environment e.g. locally (or use web based sourcejuicer).[18:10:14] <Meths> no, the repo in general. For instance will the packages get rebuilt with the new names as dependencies? Will dia get removed as the version on /release is newer?![18:10:16] <tomww> I use my boostrap script to setup build manchines or isolated build zones[18:13:54] *** nikolam has quit IRC[18:14:52] *** Rune has quit IRC[18:15:27] <tomww> for /release the rebuils happens only half a year (no reason for more), /dev is a rebuild for every consolidation in it,[18:15:54] <tomww> and juicer does it currently based occationally, targeted to /release distro (AFAIK)[18:16:27] <tomww> so /contrib (sourcejuicer) currently mathecs for /release, but usually runs also for /dev[18:17:03] <tomww> I hope that answers your question?[18:20:11] <Meths> Yeah, I think so. So on my point about dia, it should go through a desktop mailing list which should bring about a desktop consolidation resulting in dia removal. Does that sound about right?[18:25:29] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:27:29] <tomww> yes, as I can see there is spec-files/trunk/SUNWdia.spec[18:27:47] <tomww> and this looks like the desktop / gnome people. so desktop-discuss is a good entry point.[18:29:01] *** leito has quit IRC[18:30:55] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[18:34:41] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[18:36:08] *** stewart has quit IRC[18:39:15] *** bda is now known as bdha[18:39:31] *** gabo has joined #opensolaris[18:39:37] <trochej> Coffee[18:41:46] <eviljames> ++[18:47:09] <tdktV5IlmFe> y[18:48:40] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[18:50:50] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[19:01:07] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[19:08:20] *** disharmony has joined #opensolaris[19:08:21] <disharmony> Hi[19:11:19] <disharmony> Is it expected for pkg to behave different when the working directory is on another image ?[19:11:48] *** blizzow3 has joined #opensolaris[19:11:55] *** blizzow has quit IRC[19:12:04] <disharmony> I tried to install software using pkg without success, until I changed my WD from an old_rpool on /alt to my rpool on / or ~[19:12:40] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[19:16:12] *** blizzow3 has quit IRC[19:20:59] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[19:25:22] *** strato is now known as ivo_[19:27:31] *** syamajala has quit IRC[19:29:24] *** emptyness47 has quit IRC[19:29:24] <galt> what was the error?[19:31:06] <hrist> tomww: what software did youb use to stream to ustream.tv?[19:31:11] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[19:32:44] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[19:40:46] <galt> ustream prolly doesn't check that damnable version string like hulu....[19:46:35] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[19:55:46] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:55:52] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[19:55:52] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:58:14] *** gjl has quit IRC[19:58:28] *** zaz1R has joined #opensolaris[20:00:20] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[20:01:17] *** zazenrasta has quit IRC[20:06:05] <TomJ> Hmm I was sure there was a postfix IPS package, but it seems not?[20:06:08] *** pgr has quit IRC[20:09:39] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[20:10:40] *** zaz1R has quit IRC[20:12:07] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[20:14:06] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris[20:14:09] <Meths> It's in pending if that's okay for you[20:15:48] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[20:16:44] *** disharmony has quit IRC[20:17:17] *** setheus has quit IRC[20:17:21] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[20:20:05] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[20:24:06] *** setheus has joined #opensolaris[20:28:34] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[20:37:34] <plavcik> hello, I need to locate faulted SATA disk, prtconf don't show me serial numbers, what I can try to precisely localise one of four sata disks in a regular PC?[20:37:51] <Stric> iostat -En should show serial[20:38:21] <Stric> or if it kinda works, just put some traffic to it and see which led twinkles[20:39:03] <reflect> and.. if the disks have LEDs, you can do "dd if=/dev/dsk/<the disk> of=/dev/null" .. should light right up[20:40:36] <galt> reflect: yeah, it should nuke any chance at recovery, moron[20:40:55] <Stric> galt: huh?[20:40:58] <gosx> if = disk, of = dev null[20:40:59] <gosx> that's a read[20:41:01] <gosx> not a write[20:41:04] <gosx> perfectly harmless[20:41:24] <galt> until you realize n00bs can't read[20:41:43] <Stric> like you apparently[20:42:30] <plavcik> thx, iostat is returning empty Serial No, I will check leds[20:43:31] <plavcik> it's safe to start scrub on degraded pool for that?[20:43:50] <tsoome> whats the point of scrubbing it?[20:43:57] <plavcik> traffic[20:44:11] <Stric> if the broken disk is the only one in the pool; sure[20:44:12] <Beket> if it's degraded, replace the faulty disks[20:44:25] <tsoome> ah, so the dead one wont blink. yep it is[20:44:31] <plavcik> point is I need to know, which one is faulted[20:44:54] <gosx> if faulted but still present, the dd if=disk of=dev/null is a good technique, as was said above[20:45:16] <tsoome> its worth to insert them one at the time and file the name-location;)[20:45:17] <plavcik> allright, will start with dd reading[20:45:58] <plavcik> tsoome: yes, that's my lesson earned fo rnext time :)[20:48:39] *** panos has quit IRC[20:49:36] *** panos has joined #opensolaris[20:56:24] *** panos has quit IRC[20:58:30] *** Jondice has quit IRC[21:03:32] *** fr4g--- has quit IRC[21:04:45] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[21:04:53] *** twisti has quit IRC[21:06:09] *** fr4g--- has joined #opensolaris[21:06:38] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[21:18:29] *** stewart has quit IRC[21:18:33] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[21:21:19] *** Burana has quit IRC[21:21:39] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris[21:22:02] *** Meths has quit IRC[21:24:33] *** bklang has quit IRC[21:25:53] *** Meths has joined #opensolaris[21:27:02] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[21:27:59] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[21:28:57] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[21:29:02] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:29:22] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[21:31:18] *** winstonw has quit IRC[21:36:24] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[21:39:35] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[21:40:23] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[21:41:37] *** icarus901 has quit IRC[21:44:09] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[21:45:01] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[21:47:43] <e1kg> hello, any frequency possibility make cifs unwritable when upgraded 134 from 0906? (includes and zpool,zfs upgrade) zfs properties or folder permission?[21:47:44] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[21:48:08] <Stric> e1kg: .. what?[21:48:16] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[21:48:53] <Stric> e1kg: are you asking how to do it, if it's done, how to not make it do it or wht?[21:49:01] *** kmq has joined #opensolaris[21:51:22] <e1kg> Stric: I have read files only from upgraded osol by root role.[21:52:28] *** Kedare has quit IRC[21:53:02] *** tg has quit IRC[21:53:34] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[21:54:01] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[21:54:41] <e1kg> Stric: newly is ok, but existed[21:55:47] *** vivid has quit IRC[21:57:29] *** ma3x has quit IRC[21:58:00] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[21:58:39] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[22:04:11] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[22:06:21] <galt> oka, linsux is getting even more annoying. I have a pool with sharenfs set, so on a linsux box, I mount -t nfs <ip>:/tunez /kmnt, and I get the page-and-a-half of the mount -v and no error info :([22:09:39] <galt> (and yes, mount -F nfs <external IP>:/tunez ~/tunez works fine)[22:10:00] *** dalibor has quit IRC[22:11:25] *** jurikm has left #opensolaris[22:20:23] <galt> okay, partially PEBCAK, partially distro dumbness. everything implied the nfs client was installed, except reality[22:21:57] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[22:25:46] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[22:25:57] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[22:26:37] *** edude03 has quit IRC[22:27:44] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[22:30:52] *** edude03 has quit IRC[22:37:34] *** jan__ has quit IRC[22:40:26] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[22:40:42] *** jub has quit IRC[22:43:21] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[22:43:22] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:43:25] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[22:44:07] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[22:45:36] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[22:45:36] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:45:37] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[22:45:58] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[22:48:43] *** Infern4us has joined #opensolaris[22:52:11] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:53:23] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[22:54:28] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[22:56:25] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[22:58:09] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[22:58:35] *** Infern4us has left #opensolaris[22:59:13] *** strato has joined #opensolaris[22:59:39] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[22:59:58] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[23:01:50] *** edude03 has quit IRC[23:02:10] *** niq has quit IRC[23:02:15] *** bahumbug is now known as niq[23:05:09] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[23:05:36] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[23:07:43] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[23:09:17] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[23:09:23] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[23:12:53] *** jub has quit IRC[23:13:11] *** Beket has quit IRC[23:14:58] *** kmq has quit IRC[23:15:56] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[23:16:10] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:17:47] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[23:23:35] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[23:23:41] *** strato has quit IRC[23:26:22] *** strato has joined #opensolaris[23:28:05] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[23:28:23] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[23:30:42] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:35:42] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[23:39:14] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[23:39:38] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[23:41:12] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[23:47:25] *** edude03 has quit IRC[23:55:15] *** engrxyz has quit IRC[23:55:48] *** strato has quit IRC[23:56:30] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[23:57:40] *** mlisok has joined #opensolaris[23:57:45] *** mlisok has left #opensolaris