April 9, 2010 
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April 9, 2010 [00:00:13] <RoyK^> zedrich: the reason for using osol was to have good snapshotting and so on on the host[00:00:18] <RoyK^> not for guests[00:00:34] <zedrich> ok so lets walk through thish[00:00:44] <zedrich> are you aware that osol can export a zfs volume as iscsi?[00:01:03] <zedrich> are you aware you can use iscsi as a native virtual disk directly from within vbox?[00:01:06] <RoyK^> I do, but I only have one box at that place[00:01:24] <zedrich> its ok .. I have 1 box, 1 disk as my desktop and Im doing things this way[00:01:39] <zedrich> the virtual disk is only virtualized once - but from within an osol VM[00:01:39] <RoyK^> and buying another box and paying for another 1U will cost me a wee bit[00:01:59] <wdp_> someone tried[00:02:00] <zedrich> from there it exports zfs to the host running it and gets _taht_ used for VMs[00:02:07] <wdp_> http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-dev-134-x86.iso[00:02:13] <wdp_> this one? :)[00:02:26] <RoyK^> the problem is I only have this one fucking server and if that can't do virtualization, zfs is secondary[00:02:30] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[00:02:49] <zedrich> RoyK: dude no offense but .. your not follow[00:02:55] <zedrich> RoyK: maybe this will help? http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch05.html#id2528512[00:03:12] <zedrich> following* heh[00:03:32] <zedrich> guess Ive been doing virtualization for so long these concepts are second nature[00:03:46] <RoyK^> no, the problem is not storage, it's just vbox crashing[00:03:51] <zedrich> when I found this featureset in vbox readily available... i just about kissed the ground[00:03:55] <gavino> ah skip virtualization and use the multitasking of the os[00:04:00] <RoyK^> or vbox crashing opensolaris[00:04:05] <zedrich> RoyK: you do understand that Im smarter than you right man?[00:04:24] <zedrich> RoyK: and relatively speaking an absolute authority cuz your not able to follow what Im saynig heh[00:04:30] <RoyK^> gavino: heh - try running Zimbra in a zone[00:04:40] <zedrich> those instructions are how to hook up iscsi as a native device to a VM ..[00:04:51] <zedrich> now... where can we get iscsi... oh right - from opensolaris, of any sort[00:04:57] <zedrich> even as a VM[00:04:59] <zedrich> done, and done.[00:05:10] <RoyK^> sure, but that's just adding complexicty[00:05:34] <wdp_> so, anyone here using xen and opensolaris and could tell me whether pci pass through is working?[00:05:37] <RoyK^> I'm quite familiar to iscsi and its friends, no problem, but it's not really good for a single server setup[00:05:39] <zedrich> hmm youve a good point there. probably shouldnt add complexity when you cant spell it haha[00:05:46] <zedrich> RoyK: 'really good'[00:05:51] <wdp_> (i googled a bit it seems no, and someone here told me "afaik not", just wanna make sure)[00:06:24] <zedrich> RoyK: this is confusing me actually... cuz the base host would just be a shell .. eg, the linux host.[00:06:36] <zedrich> RoyK: then doing things this way benefits you zfs ... etc[00:06:39] <wdp_> would like to install osol, but i don't want to miss my dvb-t card so i thought about installing a linux domU (so that i could just use that domU for the dvb-t card with pci-pass-through)[00:06:40] <RoyK^> well, let's setup a server with local iscsi mounts and zfs over that and then some nfs and cifs over that and ....... wtf[00:06:47] <strawf> greetings, I'm planning to setup pvm domU in my home network to handle routing/firewalling before the WAN. Which OS would you suggest for this thinking of performance, I've 100/100 connection and I've faced some perf. issues with hvm freebsd[00:07:34] <zedrich> RoyK: its the same different virtually.[00:07:38] *** smyth_rj has joined #opensolaris[00:07:53] <RoyK^> zedrich: have you ever been working in operations? you always want to have few hops - very few[00:08:07] <zedrich> RoyK: i would argue its as good or better this way for various reasons. for one, opensolris isnt running your hardware directly. thats probably a good thing haha[00:08:27] <wdp_> nobody? :)[00:08:28] <Meths> RoyK^: You could go closer to the hardware and just run something like ESXi or MS equivalent as your base and run osol as a guest but without the overhead of a full host OS?[00:08:36] <RoyK^> zedrich: it's running on my hardware, and that's the problem[00:08:39] <zedrich> RoyK: only as 1 of 6 solaris / AFS admins at a college with 50k users.... nothing beyond that ;)[00:08:44] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:09:04] <zedrich> Meths: actually vbox has many of the same characteristics as ESX[00:09:06] <RoyK^> zedrich: I'm running osol on hardware, yes[00:09:48] *** niq has quit IRC[00:09:57] <RoyK^> Meths: huh - the idea was to use osol as the _host_, not a guest[00:10:15] <zedrich> RoyK: well do wyhatever ya want. Im running an osol to iscsi -> windows xp on my desktop maching with a single SATA drive... works awesome[00:10:35] *** smyth_rj has quit IRC[00:10:44] *** smyth_rj has joined #opensolaris[00:10:44] *** fleyta has quit IRC[00:10:49] <zedrich> and my desktop machine is windows 7 cuz you know... osol doesnt quite play battlefield 2 yet ;)[00:10:51] <RoyK^> zedrich: the start was vbox is buggy[00:10:59] <zedrich> RoyK: no thats your start.[00:11:06] <Meths> RoyK^: Yes, I know. I've read that you've said it doesn't work though. If it doesn't work I was trying to suggest an alternative. It's only an option to weigh against any others you're thinking about.[00:11:07] <RoyK^> after that, someone cut off and started talking nonesense[00:11:13] <zedrich> RoyK: its not comprehensive to start where you want[00:11:16] *** smyth_rj has quit IRC[00:11:22] *** smyth_rj has joined #opensolaris[00:11:42] <zedrich> Meths: i have found with virtualization people hit walls and go 'oh gnoes I cant work myself around it' ;)[00:12:12] <RoyK^> Meths: I'm not saying I'm not looking for alternaives - see my first post - I'm just wondering if others know a good answer how to avoid that[00:12:12] <zedrich> and even if vbox has a bug or bad docs... there are so many alternativse that work awesome cuz you have so much more power... hard to feel sorry for any one[00:12:25] <zedrich> RoyK: stock answer, file a bug[00:12:33] <lewellyn> alanc: how likely is it that niveditha will get to 6919018 in the near future?[00:12:35] <RoyK^> i did[00:12:44] <zedrich> RoyK: just use vmware server... oh right, doesnt work on osol[00:12:58] <zedrich> RoyK: and vbox locks up on osol..[00:13:02] <lewellyn> i have an opportunity to get an nvidia card for the machine, but that will practically eliminate the ability for me to easily give further feedback[00:13:19] <zedrich> ... I wonder if there is a way to get ZFS facilities to your virtual systems without running osol - oh right - how i described! heh[00:13:26] <alanc> lewellyn: no idea - I know she's working on the KMS updates to synchronize with the kernel putback, but I don't know about bug fixes[00:13:38] <lewellyn> alanc: ok. i'll get the nvidia card :)[00:13:54] <lewellyn> (i'll magically gain a half gig of ram that way, too!)[00:14:07] <RoyK^> the one problem with some irc channels is that some people are more concerned about making bugs look like human failures - this is one of them[00:14:08] <zedrich> RoyK: not just that .. but you can do whta i said _today_ .. itll work fine[00:14:46] <alanc> I wonder if the recent kernel fix from Juergen to mark the device registers as volatile in a couple places they weren't will help[00:14:47] <zedrich> RoyK: no its just broken. no one has an answer. we all know that. then we offer a different way to get it done _today_ ... thats what senior ops / IT guys can do .. get it to work regardless[00:14:58] <samc> Any of you guys had OpenSolaris running on an oldish (3 years or so) HP DL320 or DL360? When I boot the CD (either the normal 134 livecd or the text-install cd) it doesn't get much past the kernel banner; when I boot with -v the last message is 'mouse80420 is /pci/.....'[00:14:59] <Stric> RoyK^: I think you have the wrong color of your chassis.[00:15:16] * RoyK^ hands Stric some pink painting[00:15:24] <zedrich> Stric: I think its the wrong color of seniority... I think he's green[00:15:25] *** system51 has joined #opensolaris[00:15:43] *** smyth_rj has quit IRC[00:15:45] *** noisecont has joined #opensolaris[00:16:10] <samc> Ooh, never mind, more googling suggests it can't find the video so it's outputting to a serial console instead[00:16:14] * samc tries that[00:16:14] <zedrich> RoyK: if you had a way to assess the pros / cons of my approach youd do it tho :)[00:16:30] <lewellyn> alanc: as i've not even taken the time to apply the workaround suggested last thurs, i'm still on 129, so i can't test a kernel change easily :)[00:16:33] <lewellyn> i'm not here most of the time :)[00:16:46] <zedrich> RoyK: like .. what is your strategy for using ZFS + VDI?[00:16:53] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[00:17:11] <Meths> VDI?[00:17:13] <zedrich> RoyK: your going to create a zfs dataset that contains all VMs or 1 zfs dataset per VM to perform snapping (maybe even cloning?)[00:17:17] *** smyth_rj_droid has joined #opensolaris[00:17:17] <zedrich> Meths: virtual disk[00:17:26] <sickness> coolest thing should be to create a zvol, create a vmdk pointing to that zvol, and use that vmdk in place of a VDI =)[00:17:27] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[00:17:34] *** noisecont has quit IRC[00:17:35] <zedrich> methd: virtual disk file .. so its a filesystem, in a file, on a filesystem[00:17:54] <RoyK^> the VMs are all on the same zfs dataset[00:18:00] <RoyK^> nothing fancy[00:18:01] <sickness> but I doubt it would be 100% stable and manageable, mayb it's a little too early, I still use VDI plain files on zfs for now... =)[00:18:15] <zedrich> sickness: thats the best reason Ive heard for using osol as the base host ..[00:18:25] <zedrich> sickness: as it completely eliminates device virtualizatin[00:18:28] <sickness> zedrich: yeah[00:18:33] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:18:48] <RoyK^> omg, would osol be less stable for regular data access than with separate datasets?[00:18:54] <zedrich> sickness: I havent eliminated it, but kept it to 1 as well as having ZFS facilities on any host operating system.. which still gives me everything[00:19:00] *** noisecont has joined #opensolaris[00:19:01] <sickness> but virtualbox is not yet tightly integrated with osol...[00:19:20] <zedrich> sickness: it can actually do what you described right[00:19:49] <zedrich> sickness: also, it can do what you describe via its vdi-iscsi implementatin[00:19:49] <RoyK^> perhaps someone should ask the creator of vbox to talk to the creator of opsnsolaris to do so :P[00:19:59] <sickness> yeah, but it feels almost like doing an ugly hack... and there are too many differences between the "server" virtualizer, which is xvm, and the "desktop" one, which is virtualbox[00:20:03] <zedrich> RoyK: dude go to #vbox[00:20:07] <zedrich> RoyK: ask them yourself[00:20:10] <RoyK^> been there[00:20:24] <sickness> with vmware, you can seamelessly open a vm from vmware-server to all the others and vice versa...[00:20:37] *** noisecont has quit IRC[00:20:38] <RoyK^> no solaris folks there, really[00:20:53] <sickness> with vbox you can't have server features, and with xvm you don't have handy desktop features, they still don't mix well :([00:20:55] <zedrich> sickness: sorta. workstation / server / esx needs to be 'vm synced'[00:20:57] *** smyth_rj_droid has quit IRC[00:21:02] <sickness> yeah[00:21:03] <zedrich> xvm?[00:21:23] *** smyth_rj_droid has joined #opensolaris[00:21:29] <zedrich> sickness: actually you can run vbox headless and access the vm's with RDP[00:21:30] <jamesd2> sickness, no the coolest thing would be if Virtualbox created a zvol, and used iscsi to mount it (this could be done on any solaris 10 or OSOL machine)... and then allow you to migrate it to another Virtualbox server on the network and have it use the same iscsi share to work its magic.[00:21:42] <zedrich> thats pretty much identical to server... they just kinda combined the 12[00:21:43] <zedrich> 2[00:22:01] <zedrich> jamesd2: yeahp, working on that automation as we speak[00:22:14] <RoyK^> then, how can I move from vbox to xvm?[00:22:21] <jamesd2> zedrich, take a look at sun vdi, it does most of what i just mentioned...[00:22:30] <zedrich> jamesd2: since all VMs are zfs vols can do send/recv for replication when needed too[00:22:32] <sickness> zedrich: yeah, that's exactly what I do, but it's not like having the vmware-server console, and you don't even have a way to start/stop automatically all your VMs, you have to search on google and import some dude's manifests... not an "integrated" thing imho...[00:23:03] <sickness> jamesd2: eheh, that's A LOT of things in a sentence, but it's indeed cool =)[00:23:24] <jamesd2> royK given that a iscsi share is just like any other share, xvm should make it possible, since its just another raw disk.. of course low level implentation makes things a bit more difficult[00:23:25] <zedrich> jamesd2: hahah i knew that the iscsi integration was there for a reason. yay sun / oracle. yay 'us' i guess.[00:23:56] *** TommyTheKid has quit IRC[00:24:06] <zedrich> jamesd2: Ive already tried explaining.. he doesnt get it :)[00:24:30] <jamesd2> zedrich, to see it in all its glory check out http://blogs.sun.com/fatbloke/entry/sun_virtualbox_and_sun_vdi[00:25:15] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[00:25:25] <zedrich> RoyK: in effect, if your going to have a VM+vdi on top of zfs.. why is it any worse to have iscsi->zfs->vdi? :)[00:25:27] <jamesd2> royK virtualbox and xvm doesn't understand filesystems, it mostly just uses volume, so it should be able to move a raw volume to anywhere. its just another lun.[00:25:33] <sickness> for example, one of the main reasons to use virtualization, is to virtualize the damn win32 OSes, *but*, xen still lacks pv drivers for win32 VMs, so you are pratically forced to use virtualbox which in turn has a wonderful win32 guest support, but it's almost a hack to use it like a "server" hypervisor...[00:25:43] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[00:25:50] <zedrich> jamesd2: interesting though not my focus...[00:25:55] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[00:25:59] <zedrich> jamesd2: do you work around / near the VDI team?[00:26:02] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:26:10] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[00:26:16] <zedrich> unfortunately VDI is the term for the virtual disks in vbox heh[00:26:27] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:26:59] <alanc> the Sun VDI team? I thought jamesd2 worked in a comepletely different company[00:27:09] <RoyK^> http://iamtheweather.com/weather/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/danger_big.png[00:27:30] <jamesd2> zedrich, i'm using it to control virtuals+zfs not reaally for multiple desktops, its fun to import a guest, clone and say deploy.. do my work, exit, and then clone what i have done.. its a lot smoother than virtualbox's iscsi support so far.[00:27:56] <zedrich> jamesd2: interesting...[00:28:01] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:28:05] *** LeftWing has joined #opensolaris[00:28:13] <zedrich> xvm was ousted for Xen+opensolaris? hahah thats kinda funny[00:28:29] <zedrich> we have both esxi and xen at work right... at oracle..[00:28:30] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[00:28:33] <zedrich> and xen doesnt compete[00:28:39] <zedrich> i guess this channel is logged huh[00:28:40] <zedrich> oh well[00:28:54] <RoyK^> heh[00:29:03] <RoyK^> how does xvm work?[00:29:08] <RoyK^> does it?[00:29:11] <jamesd2> xen works pretty well but lacks a lot of gui stuff, which is interesting if you are going to manage 100's of guests...[00:29:20] <zedrich> but! from what i can tell vbox is as fast and more featureful than vmware server / player[00:29:24] <zedrich> which is basically the class its in[00:29:36] <zedrich> jamesd2: well .. we have labmanager[00:29:47] <RoyK^> 'cept that it fucks up my server, that is[00:29:48] <sickness> esxi surely has advantages... but it has it's drawbacks too, it only runs on certain hardware, whereas you can install osol+xen on almost any x86 hardware (and controller and do raid with zfs!)[00:29:54] <zedrich> jamesd2: empowers users to instantiate from templates.. instead of an IT guy wrangling 100s of VMs[00:30:00] <jamesd2> zedrich, exactly... xen doesn't that i am aware of..[00:30:43] <zedrich> jamesd2: Im making a mesh scale version of it... but I guess your an ops guy. this is sort of to empower people with normal desktop machines to grow out a VM lab using what they already have[00:31:02] <sickness> esxi doesn't know anything about networking, so you have to install a vm to do firewalling and so on, with osol+xen you have a wonderful tool: ipf, which you can use to do firewalling+nat+redirect, it's almost the only way to effectively use lots of dedicated servers which doesn't give a subnet to you for your VMs[00:31:07] <RoyK^> I'll get back in a few hours when all the data from the old vbox VMs are all transferred and do some more testing with xvm - until then - time out[00:31:08] <zedrich> jamesd2: as you know.. the buildout for hosts and storage of any current architecture s .. more than a few hundred bucks ;)[00:31:26] <RoyK^> moving from vbox to xvm might be worth a try[00:31:38] <zedrich> RoyK: i dont see xvm[00:31:52] <zedrich> i think xvm == vbox .. from google[00:32:12] <zedrich> sickness: can you script / code / etc?[00:32:17] <RoyK^> zedrich: xvm == xen, vbox is something else[00:32:20] <lattera> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+xen/[00:32:41] <sickness> nah, I'm just an humble end user =)[00:32:43] <lattera> instead of making crappy guesses, I guess we could just look at the official documentation ;)[00:33:08] * RoyK^ hands lattera a beer[00:33:12] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:14] <lattera> xvm is xen ported to opensolaris with a few changes to make it opensolaris-friendly[00:33:15] *** LeftWing has joined #opensolaris[00:34:11] <lattera> vbox is virtualbox[00:34:12] <achester> I haven't been following xen too closely recently, has there been any word / plans for live migration?[00:34:28] <zedrich> lattera: oh, already thats not going to work for y project. needs to run on a windows host[00:34:50] <RoyK^> zedrich: get real[00:34:57] <lattera> zedrich, both virtualbox and xvm run windows guests perfectly[00:34:57] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[00:35:04] <zedrich> lattera: windows hosts[00:35:10] <achester> http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/55773 -- oh behold what happens when I google my question =D[00:35:10] <zedrich> lattera: or linux, or mac osx[00:35:49] <lattera> so you want to run some operating system in a virtualized environment on a windows host?[00:35:55] <jamesd2> royK the problem with your reasoning is that a major backer of xen is oracle, oracle now owns Virtualbox, so expect the lines to blur in the coming years, more and more oracle/xen/xvm code will get mixed into Virtualbox[00:35:58] <RoyK^> zedrich: xen runs windows guests and most others, vbox can be run on a windows host and can run most guests[00:35:59] <lattera> virtualbox, qemu, vmware, etc.[00:36:07] <RoyK^> zedrich: are tee eff emm[00:36:22] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[00:36:44] <lewellyn> qemu and virtualbox share some technology ;)[00:37:16] <lattera> achester, yes, xvm supports live migration[00:37:26] <RoyK^> jamesd2: I don't really care about what is to become, but that vbox on opensolaris is quite useless[00:37:35] <zedrich> how to do[00:37:50] <sstallion_work> heh[00:37:55] <sstallion_work> Olga's stirring up a hornets nest ;)[00:38:32] <zedrich> RoyK: dont think you understand - xen doesnt run on windows as the base OS. heh.[00:38:35] <RoyK^> lewellyn: heh - yeah - and Windows NT and Solaris 6 shares quite a bit of technology - memory handling and multitasking - in general[00:38:45] <zedrich> RoyK: so yeah .. dont worry bout me bud... I wrote the fuckin manual ;)[00:38:57] <alanc> sstallion_work: I wonder how many more "No" answers she can get from jbeck 8-)[00:39:05] <sstallion_work> alanc: I was just wondering the same thing :D[00:39:12] <sstallion_work> you have to applaud his brevity though[00:39:19] <lattera> RoyK^, vbox on opensolaris is useless? how so?[00:39:19] <RoyK^> zedrich: I won't be hosting much on Windows, son[00:39:34] <zedrich> RoyK: right well .. thats cuz your an IT monkey[00:39:41] <alanc> and his willingness to commit to a clear answer, unlike management folks[00:39:44] <zedrich> or are they gophers... or rats...[00:39:49] <RoyK^> lattera: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/6505[00:39:54] <sstallion_work> alanc: good point.[00:40:02] <zedrich> either way, IT guy hoisting servers into racks isnt my target audience[00:40:14] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[00:40:30] <lattera> RoyK^, vbox works perfectly for me[00:40:37] <lattera> granted, I'm on opensolaris b134[00:40:57] <RoyK^> works for me for small VMs unless they try to engage in traffic[00:41:33] <RoyK^> zedrich: heh - so I'm an "it monkey" - what's your title?[00:41:45] <lattera> hrmm[00:41:46] <zedrich> RoyK: senior manager, engineering[00:41:51] <lattera> you wrote "I can verify that this problem only occurs with VirtualBox. I've been running the server quite hard and it doesn't show instability. With vbox, it may die after only 15-30 minutes."[00:42:02] <lattera> is there a difference between virtualbox and vbox?[00:42:04] <zedrich> RoyK: lead technologist and just generally a swll guy[00:42:08] <RoyK^> zedrich: wow! you have a golden card?[00:42:09] <lattera> cuz I thought they were the same[00:42:14] <zedrich> RoyK: and paycheck[00:42:25] * RoyK^ is impressed[00:42:45] <RoyK^> so what do you make? like $50k a year?[00:42:47] <zedrich> RoyK: but.. i grew up on IRC in the late 90s linux channels so i have a bit of a different persona on here.. some say juvenile .. i say to the point[00:42:57] <zedrich> RoyK: with stocks? north of 200k[00:43:05] <zedrich> RoyK: but been a slow year[00:43:07] * RoyK^ makes more[00:43:13] <zedrich> RoyK: i live in the marina in san francisco .. look it up[00:43:25] <zedrich> RoyK: haha you do? thats impressive considering[00:43:25] <RoyK^> zedrich: cut the crap[00:43:32] <zedrich> RoyK: all true.[00:43:46] <lattera> yay for pointless penis measuring! ;)[00:44:02] <zedrich> lattera: mererly answering questions[00:44:10] <zedrich> i dont mind, i worked my ass off for 10 years[00:44:17] <RoyK^> just cut it - you can't figure out something I ask you, you just blame me for doing it wrong[00:44:39] <RoyK^> which is so much BOFH as you can get it[00:44:42] <zedrich> RoyK: I explained before its because we odnt focus on your problem, we focus on a solutuon[00:44:59] <zedrich> RoyK: youll find when you get older in the industry thats what gets you places[00:45:00] <RoyK^> yeah, which would be what?[00:45:14] *** milek has quit IRC[00:45:19] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:45:41] <RoyK^> zedrich: I'd be grateful to hear your solution for my problem, Sir[00:45:52] <zedrich> your problem of osol locking up with vbox.. thats a problem that we dont really doubt. but I dont write vbox host level device drivers. so i cant debug it. if you needed zfs + VMs done _today_ and werent opposed to using linux as a host, then do it the way i said[00:46:05] <zedrich> otherwise wait for them to acknowledge your bug and fix it.[00:46:11] <RoyK^> I've only been in this industry for close to 20 years, so excuse me for being a junior[00:46:19] <zedrich> or just use linux and dont get the benefits of zfs - whichever, those are your options.[00:46:30] <lattera> RoyK^, what's the original problem you want help with?[00:46:33] <RoyK^> the bug report is sent, no problem[00:46:39] <zedrich> but assuming someone is going to be on IRC that can actually help you solve exactly what you want is retarded.[00:46:48] <lattera> was it that you wanted to migrate away from vbox to xvm?[00:46:53] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[00:47:11] <zedrich> RoyK: your acting like a junior in your approach. its ok - thats why I manage people cuz I help them work through issues.[00:47:42] <RoyK^> zedrich: sorry, mate, but I did send a bug report far in excess of asing in here - you're acting like a junior trying to act like a senior :)[00:48:18] <zedrich> I'll make you a deal[00:48:19] <RoyK^> asking in here, even[00:48:26] <zedrich> go setup a system like i suggested[00:48:33] <zedrich> try it - then come back and tell us how bad it sucks[00:48:36] <lattera> RoyK^, are you trying to migrate away from vbox towards xvm?[00:48:47] <RoyK^> considering it[00:48:54] <zedrich> or... use it and be happy. your choice.[00:49:02] <lattera> what issues have you been running into?[00:49:07] <RoyK^> since vbox is quite unusable as it is of now on osol[00:49:11] <RoyK^> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/6505[00:49:41] <lattera> it's unstable on b111 of osol as noted in that issue, sure[00:49:45] <lattera> have you tried it on b134?[00:49:57] <RoyK^> no, I'll try, though[00:50:18] <lattera> give that a try and let me know[00:50:39] <RoyK^> if it works on 134, that'll be fine, if not, ditch the sunny stuff and go back to the penguin[00:50:46] <lattera> lol[00:50:58] <lattera> well, what would prevent you from migrating to xvm?[00:51:01] <RoyK^> lattera: do you know any bug report that resembles mine?[00:51:03] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[00:51:29] <lattera> I don't, but I also don't go looking through bug reports[00:51:32] *** PhlowX__ has quit IRC[00:51:33] <RoyK^> lattera: does xvm work well on 111 or would I have to upgrade to 134 first?[00:51:48] <lattera> I use xvm on a production server on 134, it works wonderfully[00:51:53] <lattera> I can't say for 111[00:52:25] <RoyK^> just have to finish moving my VMs to my ubuntu box first - then I'll try upgrading etc[00:53:12] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[00:53:16] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: i put in the order for a new machine. it won't arrive till monday :([00:53:30] <lewellyn> so i won't have it up before weds afternoon, due to my schedule[00:53:36] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: no worries; I need to do taxes this weekend anyway :P[00:54:11] <lewellyn> and i haven't kept up my end of the bargain anyhow, totally :)[00:54:12] <lattera> oh freak, thanks for reminding me[00:54:19] <lattera> haha, I almost completely forgot about state taxes[00:54:56] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: you should still send that email to driver-discuss :P[00:55:05] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[00:55:20] <sstallion_work> don't phrase it as a port - it will be a driver scratch-written[00:55:39] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[00:55:42] <sstallion_work> well... 2 drivers at first[00:56:14] <lewellyn> yeah. i want to get microsoft on board to be able to field questions about specs, the licensing of their driver, their commitment to interfaces, whatever curveballs the trolls come up with :)[00:56:48] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[00:57:23] *** TommyTheKid has joined #opensolaris[00:57:43] *** Wild_Geese has quit IRC[00:57:48] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[00:58:07] *** Wild_Geese has joined #opensolaris[00:58:58] *** achester has quit IRC[01:01:00] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[01:04:53] <CosmicDJ> it's just me or do I sense smth immiment? ;) http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=8314[01:07:58] <Andys^> nice[01:09:50] *** _megaTherion has joined #opensolaris[01:10:00] *** _megaTherion has quit IRC[01:10:21] *** _megaTherion has joined #opensolaris[01:11:01] *** megaTherion has quit IRC[01:11:58] *** psychicist has quit IRC[01:15:45] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[01:16:27] <nikolam> will there be 134a released, so we can u[date and test it before release? , what you think? CosmicDJ Andys^[01:18:50] *** tg has quit IRC[01:18:52] *** Kedare has quit IRC[01:19:07] <CosmicDJ> no idea, I'm just seeing a long list with strike-through bugs...[01:19:15] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[01:19:27] <TommyTheKid> cant say :D[01:19:52] <nikolam> ;)[01:20:28] <nikolam> Maybe this one might be interesting for a stopper, if not fixed already: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6933951[01:21:09] <alanc> I wonder if that's a dup of the fixed bug listed as "Related Fixes"[01:22:21] *** rcarcamo has joined #opensolaris[01:22:45] <nikolam> i hope, too[01:23:31] <nikolam> I could test it, but don`t know how to get it with a fix.[01:23:46] <nikolam> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/laptop-discuss/2010-March/thread.html#8386[01:24:53] <alanc> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=12528 has a test driver for build 134 with the fix for the volatilebug[01:27:17] <nikolam> ok, nice. I just copy it there, restart and see how is it going then?[01:27:39] *** smyth_rj_droid has quit IRC[01:27:42] <alanc> I would think so - not having any intel machines, I've not tried it myself[01:28:03] <nikolam> OK, I will in a few moments[01:30:53] *** zynox has quit IRC[01:33:38] *** _megaTherion is now known as megaTherion[01:33:41] *** cybernd has quit IRC[01:34:27] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[01:34:41] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[01:39:20] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[01:40:50] <Triskelios> I'm using intel here but I haven't encountered that bug[01:40:51] <lewellyn> alanc: would that be a good test driver for my i830/g41 issue?[01:42:41] <alanc> lewellyn: dunno, it's a driver, so by definition, I know little about it[01:42:57] <lewellyn> :)[01:43:01] <alanc> I just see the bug updates go by and occasionally remember bits and pieces that are useful[01:43:04] <lewellyn> i guess i need to get this system up to 134[01:43:27] <lewellyn> (before the nvidia card shows up)[01:47:58] *** hunter has quit IRC[01:55:59] <CIA-21> Pramod Gunjikar <Pramod.Gunjikar at Sun dot COM>: 6863653 Need in kernel OFED RDMA CM API (fix unref)[01:57:27] <gavino> on 134 tar xzf works!!!!![01:57:35] <gavino> dances[01:58:15] *** melbogia has quit IRC[01:58:42] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[02:00:09] *** milek has quit IRC[02:02:35] <alanc> probably using /usr/gnu/bin/tar then[02:02:49] <alanc> the /usr/bin/tar support for z didn't go in until after 134[02:03:33] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[02:05:00] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[02:06:45] <richlowe> thus gaining z/j not long after gtar ceased to need them for extraction.[02:06:51] <gavino> I changed the time with date -s[02:06:59] <gavino> and opensol like rolled it back after few min[02:07:05] <gavino> how to change time?[02:07:06] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[02:11:30] <alanc> the Solaris /usr/bin/tar doesn't need z/j for extraction, only for creation[02:12:15] <alanc> extraction autodetects based on magic number (inspired by the BSD tar when the code was originally written about 5 years ago, just took a long time to get integrated)[02:14:02] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[02:14:15] *** snuff-work has quit IRC[02:15:39] *** zynox has quit IRC[02:15:57] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[02:16:10] <CodeWar> alanc, tar -xf a.tar.gz?[02:16:37] <alanc> yes, that should work on new builds (builds newer than have been published)[02:17:36] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[02:18:18] <CodeWar> the one thats part of 2009.06 doesnt like it but gtar -zxf is what I use[02:18:45] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[02:19:32] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[02:19:41] <alanc> yes, 2009.06 is much much older than two weeks ago[02:20:10] <ivo_> Solaris 10 is no free anymore :([02:20:15] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[02:20:21] <ivo_> Solaris 10 is not* free anymore :([02:21:13] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[02:22:04] *** yarihm has quit IRC[02:24:34] *** heldchen has joined #opensolaris[02:24:38] <nikolam> What do you think will happen After 2010 comes out.[02:24:54] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:25:01] <nikolam> Like that update for Thunderbird, other things, etc etc[02:26:43] *** held has quit IRC[02:26:50] <alanc> after 2010, will come 2011, then 2012, and then everyone says the world ends[02:28:52] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[02:29:21] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[02:30:06] <lattera> I'm guessing that /dev isn't moving forward because of the pending 2010.1H release?[02:30:18] *** TweakBoy has joined #opensolaris[02:30:21] <TweakBoy> o/[02:30:58] <alanc> the /dev updates were held during all the previous releases to avoid complications with multiple branches[02:31:15] <lattera> ah, gotcha[02:36:07] <nikolam> and after that /dev will move on. and freezed 2010.xy will stay forever, frozen in time, until some tooth fairy updates it.[02:36:27] <alanc> that's the way it's been in the past[02:38:41] <lattera> ya, this is my first time actually paying attention to how the opensolaris development cycle works[02:39:05] <lattera> I've been interested in opensolaris since 2008.11, but haven't really gotten into it until 2009.06[02:39:53] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[02:41:26] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[02:41:32] *** wdp__ has joined #opensolaris[02:43:29] <richlowe> alanc: Wow, feature-parity[02:43:40] <richlowe> It's really hard to make that not sound like sarcasm.[02:43:42] <richlowe> it's not sarcasm.[02:43:43] <alanc> sometimes it happens[02:43:59] <alanc> though, it's still no star[02:44:20] <alanc> (try to say that without sarcasm 8-) )[02:44:33] <richlowe> I've been saying that without sarcasm since 1986![02:44:54] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[02:47:35] *** jcpierce has quit IRC[02:48:33] <nikolam> alanc, I changed driver. booted, worked for some time. It X freezed again, this time when starting opera.[02:48:51] <alanc> guess it's not a duplicate of that bug then, sorry[02:48:55] <nikolam> Only this time screen is not freezed with contet, but interesingly garbled.[02:49:06] <nikolam> caontent[02:50:00] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[02:50:23] <nikolam> alanc, where to post my findings?[02:50:41] <nikolam> I see no way to add more comments to bug, after logging in[02:50:57] <alanc> nikolam: dri-discuss at opensolaris dot org would be the place to discuss the i915 drm module[02:51:06] <alanc> right, bugs.opensolaris.org doesn't let you update existing bugs[02:51:18] <alanc> defect.opensolaris.org does, for bugs there[02:51:36] <alanc> I can add a note via the internal bug db if you remind me of the bug id[02:52:43] <nikolam> hm , ok alanc , thanks. http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6933951 Bug Id 6933951[02:53:20] <nikolam> Also seems like pfexec halt does not shut down this laptop, but waits for power button.[02:55:03] <nikolam> I already have more then a dozen of osol maillists on my mail account. Maybe one more, would not hurt. much.[02:55:38] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[02:57:24] <TweakBoy> o/[02:57:36] <alanc> okay, updated the bug to note it wasn't fixed[02:57:53] <TweakBoy> has anyone had any luck getting the nvidia nic stuff working?[02:58:08] <Andys^> TweakBoy: its flakey at the best of times in any OS :)[02:58:44] <TweakBoy> i cant get the driver to work lol[02:59:09] <TweakBoy> and if not i need a good recommendation for a pci gb nic[03:01:07] <Andys^> Intel Pro/1000 GT (for PCI) or CT (PCIe)[03:01:57] <TweakBoy> low profile options/[03:01:59] <TweakBoy> ?[03:02:22] <Andys^> yep[03:02:29] <Andys^> last time i bought one it came with a low profile and full height bracket[03:02:50] <lattera> TweakBoy, which nvidia nic do you have?[03:02:58] <Andys^> and its like..$25[03:02:58] <lattera> I had to buy a different nic today[03:02:59] <TweakBoy> onboard[03:03:07] <Andys^> and uses less CPU time than the nvidia[03:03:10] <lattera> because mine's an nvidia nic, heh[03:03:17] <TweakBoy> i have spare cpu[03:03:32] <TweakBoy> just not spare time to really putz with this onboard nonsense lol[03:07:10] *** snuff-home2 has joined #opensolaris[03:07:40] *** lattera has quit IRC[03:10:19] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[03:13:27] * lewellyn just ordered some $9 RTL8169 nics[03:13:36] <lewellyn> i think they come with low-profile brackets, too[03:14:17] <lewellyn> TweakBoy: which driver are you using? nge? nfo? which nic do you have?[03:14:22] <Andys^> D:[03:14:29] <lewellyn> and which opensolaris build are you on?[03:14:30] <Andys^> someone ... paid voluntarily.. for Realtek products ... *gurgle*[03:14:33] *** |synegy34| is now known as synegy34[03:14:52] <lewellyn> Andys^: they're fine for the usecase in question[03:15:04] *** nitrile_ has joined #opensolaris[03:15:07] <lewellyn> (upgrading desktops with onboard realtek fast ethernet)[03:15:20] *** nitrile has quit IRC[03:15:39] <lewellyn> i saved a dollar by going pci rather than pci-e ;)[03:16:08] *** gavino has quit IRC[03:16:37] *** gavino has joined #opensolaris[03:16:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +b gavino*!*@*[03:16:37] *** gavino was kicked by ChanServ (User is banned from this channel)[03:16:49] <Andys^> lol... why did gavino get booted?[03:17:41] <lewellyn> because he was ban evading ;)[03:18:32] <lewellyn> we know him by some other nicks. he wasn't trolling as hard as he has in the past, so he didn't get kicked this last time[03:19:00] *** falconn1 has joined #opensolaris[03:19:14] <lewellyn> of course, if it's in error, it'll gladly be rectified[03:20:21] * lewellyn waits for a plan to be created from 131 to 134[03:20:38] * lewellyn is tired of httpd failing to dump core[03:23:36] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[03:26:54] *** gretel has quit IRC[03:26:54] *** gretel_ has joined #opensolaris[03:28:15] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[03:28:38] <dizko> my usb keyboard keeps suddendenly stopping to respond in osol[03:28:50] <lewellyn> is it on a hub?[03:28:54] <dizko> nope[03:29:00] <lewellyn> is it an apple keyboard?[03:29:04] <dizko> nope[03:29:30] <dizko> i have the same keyboard on my macbook running the same version of opensolaris without any problem[03:29:44] <dizko> this is on the dell machine i have at work[03:30:22] <dizko> Apr 9 10:36:11 caffeine genunix: [ID 667643 kern.warning] WARNING: Postattach failed for hid9[03:30:23] <dizko> Apr 9 10:36:11 caffeine genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci1028,1de@1d/device@2/input@1 (hid10) offline[03:30:40] <dizko> not sure if this is just that its enumerated the keyboard as if its a different on and its still looking for the old one[03:30:44] <dizko> but it keeps repeating that[03:32:09] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[03:32:49] *** snuff-work has joined #opensolaris[03:34:09] <lewellyn> Warning - Invalid account: 'root' not allowed to execute cronjobs[03:34:17] * lewellyn wonders what he screwed up *this* time...[03:34:26] <lewellyn> so much for today being a quick day![03:34:50] <jamesd2> lewellyn, just need to add root to cron.allow or some file like that[03:34:52] <dizko> /etc/cron.d/cron.deny ?[03:34:55] <dizko> or is that too obvious[03:35:05] <lewellyn> jamesd2: i have no cron.{allow,deny}[03:35:16] <lewellyn> i HAD one which listed root[03:35:29] <lewellyn> i've checked the password and the shell already[03:35:34] * lewellyn launches the internet[03:36:51] * lewellyn hates how gnu ls orders files differently, btw :P[03:37:10] <dizko> can you actually su to root or do only use pfexec ?[03:37:40] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[03:37:45] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[03:38:30] <lewellyn> dizko: su is fine[03:38:43] <lewellyn> oh funky[03:39:05] <lewellyn> changing root's password (to the same one, while su'ed as root) got rid of the error[03:39:14] * lewellyn has no clue how to reproduce this![03:40:42] <dizko> did you happen to look at the entry in /etc/shadow before you fixed it ?[03:40:54] <lewellyn> yup[03:40:57] <dizko> wondered if you had expiry set or something fun, but if you were able to su its not that[03:41:04] <lewellyn> yup :P[03:41:11] <lewellyn> as i said, i dunno how to reproduce it[03:41:22] <dizko> chalk it up to "fucking magic"[03:42:05] <lewellyn> i chalk it up to "another reason to get complained at by marketing folks when they realize they're looking at 2 week old data"[03:42:11] <dizko> as of snv_134 my macbook reboots shortly after grub if i enable the graphical console, but doesnt if i disable it[03:42:27] <dizko> my keyboard on the other box stopps responding....all sorts of fun little gems like that =([03:42:51] <lewellyn> dizko: the former sounds like the apple keyboard issue. :)[03:43:04] <lewellyn> be glad you can boot , unlike with older builds ;)[03:43:11] <dizko> the older builds were fine[03:43:16] <lewellyn> even 111b?[03:43:27] <dizko> ive been running dev for awhile and have updated to most of the ones that came out[03:43:34] <lewellyn> and you may or may not have a firmware update available if you run Software Update in OS X[03:43:34] <dizko> is 111b 200906 ?[03:43:37] <lewellyn> yes[03:44:05] <dizko> im fairly certain i had installed that, but its quite possible i started with a newer release on the mb[03:44:26] <lewellyn> there are others here who are more familiar with the issue[03:44:41] <lewellyn> i just don't use mac keyboards with osol. bad mojo :)[03:44:59] <dizko> well, im not using a mac keyboard - but its a laptop so it does have one built in[03:45:14] <lewellyn> so you're using a mac keyboard ;)[03:45:19] <dizko> i have this nice heavy kb with cherry brown key actuators[03:45:20] <lewellyn> boot into osx and check for updates[03:46:10] <dizko> it was working fine up until 134, ill check for an update next time i have a chance[03:46:13] <lewellyn> wow the stats generation takes forever if it hasn't run recently. i forgot that :([03:46:28] <lewellyn> there's surely a bug. if not, file one :)[03:46:48] <lewellyn> if people don't file bugs, they don't tend to get fixed[03:46:57] <dizko> yea, got a job a couple months ago and dont have much free time, esp while im home[03:47:04] <dizko> understood[03:47:15] <lewellyn> well, if you don't file a bug, don't complain if 2010.nn doesn't fix it :)[03:49:33] *** dalibor has quit IRC[03:49:40] *** ravenslay3r has left #opensolaris[03:52:11] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[03:53:45] <modify> anyone setup a AI enviroment using MS dhcp server?[03:54:13] <palowoda> No MS isn't that important.[03:55:54] <CIA-21> Dan McDonald <danmcd at sun dot com>: 6878224 regression : When a program includes "/usr/include/sys/un.h" we get error: uint_t is not defined[03:55:55] <CIA-21> Nobutomo Nakano <Nobutomo.Nakano at Sun dot COM>: 6939910 update zoneinfo timezones to 2010h (Pakistan, Tunisia)[04:01:09] <lewellyn> modify: no, i can't get it working with "supported" configurations, so i've not tried yet :)[04:01:22] <lewellyn> modify: there's always bootable ai! :D[04:01:36] <modify> lewellyn, bootable ai for sparc?[04:02:13] <modify> i just setup a laptop as the ai host, but I want to use our existing MS dhcp server[04:02:19] <lewellyn> smrt: explain bootable ai[04:02:20] <smrt> The AI (Automated Installer) ISO images are now fully bootable and installable. See http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/caiman-discuss/2009-December/015625.html for some info and http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Project+caiman/Bootable_AI_Image/bootable.ai.spec.txt for a bit more. See also: ai, bootable ai on sparc , bootable ai on x86[04:02:22] <lewellyn> smrt: explain bootable ai on sparc[04:02:23] <smrt> You want to use an AI disc matching the version of the OS you are trying to install. For dev (and local mirrors), you will need to use a custom manifest: "boot cdrom - install prompt". There is a /dev manifest at http://www.greenviolet.net/ai/dev for your use. See also: ai, bootable ai[04:02:50] <lewellyn> modify: for wanboot ai, you're sure your sparc's got a new enough obp? :)[04:03:38] <modify> lewellyn, it probably doesn't just testing this on a sb100[04:05:01] <lewellyn> yeah. afaik, there's no obp new enough. so you only have bootable ai and the textinstaller as options[04:05:19] <lewellyn> bootable ai is slow, but customizable :)[04:08:52] <TweakBoy> i hate to bring it up but what is the future of opensolaris with oracle being so lame?[04:09:38] <alanc> if we knew for sure what the future held, we'd be in vegas making millions, not here on IRC talking to you[04:09:42] <deet> it's being discontinued in favor of linux[04:10:04] <lewellyn> which is being discontinued in favor of aix[04:10:05] <deet> x86 support is being removed, it'll only run on 68k macintoshes[04:10:13] <TweakBoy> discontinued by oraclke but what about the community?[04:10:18] <deet> we're all leaving[04:10:20] <lewellyn> we're all moving to aix[04:10:24] <TweakBoy> lol[04:10:31] <TweakBoy> i guess ill keep my mac then[04:10:42] <lewellyn> ibm gave us deep discounts on POWER boxes. they chopped a zero off the price[04:10:46] <alanc> ask a question no one can answer, and see how many absolute bullshit answers people can make up[04:11:31] <TweakBoy> okay how about does anyone know y my iscsi performance is abyssmal ?[04:12:05] <lewellyn> because you're using a mac[04:12:17] <nachox> lewellyn, power7?[04:12:26] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[04:12:27] <lewellyn> nachox: nah. they only discounted power5 ;)[04:12:39] <nachox> useless processor...[04:14:47] <lewellyn> better than TweakBoy's mac[04:14:54] *** TweakBoy has quit IRC[04:15:11] <lewellyn> heh. he gave up asking unanswerable questions quick.[04:17:32] *** falconn1 has quit IRC[04:18:36] *** tosh has quit IRC[04:19:55] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[04:21:36] *** comay has quit IRC[04:23:18] *** gretel_ has quit IRC[04:26:41] *** Odin- has quit IRC[04:29:36] *** anibal has quit IRC[04:29:44] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[04:32:27] <modify> lewellyn, woot i think it's working, the 100 had obp 4.x so seem to be supporting wanboot[04:32:37] <lewellyn> awesome[04:33:46] <modify> i quickly changed our boot server name setting away from the sunray server, so I hope no one was rebooting their sunray at the time :-)[04:34:03] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:35:38] <lewellyn> you... couldn't add a reservation?[04:36:38] <modify> while i *could* have but was feeling lazy, i'd have had to walk into another room to get the mac[04:36:43] <jbk> so here's a question... this seems rather simple, but I have a number of pdf files to host, and i need to (via http) control access (i.e. userX can see/download certain pdfs while userY can see/download other pdfs)...anyone familiar with such software that'd run on opensolaris?[04:37:04] <alanc> apache with .htaccess ?[04:37:08] <jbk> (I'd rather use that since I can play some games with zones/ipf/crossbow and make it pretty damn isolated)[04:37:18] <jbk> well something a bit less.. generic[04:37:25] <jbk> since this would be internet facing[04:37:25] <lewellyn> webdav?[04:37:47] <lewellyn> something in php?[04:37:58] <jbk> i'd prefer to avoid php :)[04:38:09] <lewellyn> zope![04:38:26] <jbk> hmm...[04:38:42] <jbk> it's been a long time since i've looked at zope[04:38:47] * jbk will investigate[04:38:47] <jamesd2> perl, java, shell ;-)[04:38:51] <alanc> make them into IPS packages, and require certificates to access like the extra repo![04:38:53] <lewellyn> awk![04:38:57] <jbk> haha[04:39:04] <alanc> because everyone wants to pkg install foo.pdf[04:39:23] <jbk> well i can write something, but there's an aversion to 'custom-written' software at work[04:39:36] <jbk> open source is fine though[04:39:37] <lewellyn> alanc: i was toying with an article about that for apr 1. i deleted it before hitting "publish" in case people took it TOO seriously[04:39:59] <modify> i take it the blastwave ips service is down?[04:40:13] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[04:40:14] <lewellyn> modify: dunno. ask blastwave's channel :)[04:40:17] <lewellyn> smrt: explain blastwave[04:40:18] <smrt> ⌂ An organization that produces SVR4 compliant software for production Solaris releases with a focus on FIPS-186 and FIPS-200 security spec compliance in manifests as well as 64-bit ready libs and bins. See Nist.GOV Security Requirements. See also: www.blastwave.org , opencsw[04:40:37] <lewellyn> hm. the channel's not listed. that's an oversight[04:40:44] <lewellyn> i bet opencsw's isn't either[04:41:08] <lewellyn> smrt: explain opencsw[04:41:09] <smrt> ⌂ A project providing binary packages with open-source software. A fork of Blastwave. See also: blastwave, www.opencsw.org[04:41:37] <echobinary> eh?[04:41:39] <echobinary> .. oh[04:41:39] <lewellyn> i'll worry about that later[04:41:41] <echobinary> lol[04:42:05] <echobinary> what does "csw" mean?[04:42:19] <echobinary> smrt: explain csw[04:42:20] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about csw...[04:42:26] <echobinary> damn youu!!![04:42:38] <lewellyn> "Community SoftWare"[04:43:39] <echobinary> ah![04:43:43] <echobinary> excellent :) thank you[04:46:30] *** gm152 has quit IRC[04:50:51] *** MattBenjamin has left #opensolaris[05:00:15] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[05:00:26] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[05:09:23] *** projectmoon has joined #opensolaris[05:09:32] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[05:13:54] *** eleusis has quit IRC[05:14:06] *** p3rror has quit IRC[05:14:39] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[05:15:48] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[05:15:48] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[05:20:40] *** nikolam has quit IRC[05:20:59] *** wrapster has quit IRC[05:21:28] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[05:21:39] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[05:21:40] *** cmecca has left #opensolaris[05:24:17] <zedrich> hrm[05:24:29] <zedrich> how do you guys usually do zfs send / recv across hosts?[05:24:39] <zedrich> I am attempting with ssh and am getting permission denied...[05:24:52] <zedrich> although the user that Im logging in remotely with can create the zfs dataset just fine[05:25:30] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[05:26:24] <jamesd2> zedrich, you need to get the remote user, zfs management premission and use pfexec zfs recv .....[05:27:09] <zedrich> i was just using zfs allow username allow,create,clone,receive,send,promote,love,hate,war,blah[05:27:15] <zedrich> on my zfs dataset... not enouhg>?[05:27:39] <zedrich> cuz i was operating per the instructions i found,..[05:27:47] <zedrich> http://docs.huihoo.com/opensolaris/solaris-zfs-administration-guide/html/ch06s03.html[05:29:11] <zedrich> wow Im totally confused. hahah why cant i create a dataset as a user when perms have been delegated[05:29:13] <zedrich> acls rather[05:29:20] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[05:30:02] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[05:31:06] <jamesd2> zedrich, pfexec is probably a better method for this.[05:32:14] <zedrich> what protocol does it work over?[05:32:19] <zedrich> rpc?[05:32:24] <zedrich> service rather[05:33:12] *** randw has quit IRC[05:33:15] <zedrich> for instance... I'd like to at some point stream the send over some middleware so that the bits are multicast and receieved by multiple machines ..[05:33:37] <zedrich> anyway[05:36:34] *** nikolam has quit IRC[05:36:59] <jamesd2> ssh is over tcp 53[05:37:02] <jamesd2> ooops 22[05:37:10] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[05:37:14] <zedrich> got it working[05:37:18] <zedrich> forgot the mount permission[05:37:33] <zedrich> purty cool... purty cool :D[05:38:17] <zedrich> wonder how many checksums and such are available[05:38:20] <zedrich> within send/recv[05:38:38] *** projectmoon has quit IRC[05:39:09] <jamesd2> zedrich, depends on how your data checksummed.. sha256 i think is the max... but sha512 and higher is being worked on... for the paranoid users of dedup[05:39:50] <zedrich> ah[05:39:54] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[05:40:17] <zedrich> so what if i chunked the send stream and it became somehow corrupted (eg, first out, last in problem with messaging)[05:43:58] <zedrich> is 131 good?[05:43:59] <zedrich> heh[05:45:43] *** nachox has quit IRC[05:46:26] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:47:56] <jamesd2> zedrich, first... tcp checksumming would catch most, and then zfs checksum would verify on top of that... and it would bitch and request a resend and probably die if it still didn't get good data[05:48:08] <zedrich> ok[05:48:12] <zedrich> figured as much[05:48:22] <zedrich> by the way .. when looking at zfs datasets... used / avail / refer[05:48:35] <zedrich> if something is 10.2gb/14.2/8,38[05:48:51] *** Zhwazi has quit IRC[05:48:56] <jamesd2> this should be a faq, and of course i always get them confused...[05:49:06] <zedrich> is that that the dataset is 10.2gb used itself and clones are the refer count?[05:49:18] <zedrich> yeah I remember reading it a few years ago but just now got going on the project again..[05:49:39] <zedrich> avail is pretty clear tho heh[05:49:59] <zedrich> or is it .. is that total for the fs?[05:51:17] <jamesd2> thats the usable amount of space left to the pool/filesystem(effected by quotas) which ever is smaller[05:51:25] <zedrich> ok[05:51:31] <zedrich> yeah i better just look it up :)[05:51:36] <zedrich> so i dont get confused[05:54:51] <jamesd2> now if i can only figure out what i am getting wrong for jumbo packets to work on this interface... its enables if i do it manually but on reboot, it fails, i'm sure i've fat finger something somewhere[05:55:02] <jamesd2> http://pastebin.com/huNt9Us2[06:05:54] <lblume> You probably need to make a start script to enable it on boot.[06:07:09] *** PhlowX__ has joined #opensolaris[06:07:10] <jamesd2> lblume, no i got it working in solaris10u8 on a blade1000[06:08:26] <lblume> Without the need for an ifconfig setup somewhere?[06:08:53] <jamesd2> lblume, yeap.. works fine[06:08:56] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[06:09:21] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[06:10:10] <lblume> Surprising. The NIC I've tried always came up with a 1500 MTU by default.[06:12:25] <jamesd2> i just had to change /etc/hostname.nicname to hostname mtu 9000 up[06:12:36] <jamesd2> i'm giving dladm method a try...[06:13:44] <lblume> Ah, ok, that's basically what I meant, though I'm usually relucatant to put that value there.[06:14:26] <jamesd2> lblume, its okay, its not production and its just a backup link for iscsi connections....[06:14:37] <lblume> But I'm not sure I understand what yourproblem is now, since it is enabled?[06:14:48] *** PhlowX__ has quit IRC[06:15:11] <jamesd2> yeah its enabled... now i rebooting to make sure that it lasts through a reboot[06:15:49] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[06:20:23] *** gabo has joined #opensolaris[06:27:15] *** gabo has quit IRC[06:30:02] <Macer> jag is a horrible show[06:30:06] * Macer rm -rf[06:30:10] *** muthu has joined #opensolaris[06:32:12] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[06:33:39] <trochej> Coffee[06:39:28] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[06:41:15] <Hedonista> smrt, explain Coffee[06:41:16] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about Coffee...[06:41:18] * lewellyn eats salad and drinks pudding for dinner[06:41:21] <lewellyn> smrt: explain coffee[06:41:22] <smrt> Coffee is something trochej knows about.[06:41:35] <Hedonista> liar[06:41:49] * Hedonista chuckles[06:42:11] <lewellyn> well, then. it's something i know about :P[06:42:52] <Hedonista> i live in rural minnesota and i had the occasion to have a starbucks coffee today so im on a personal best[06:43:14] <lewellyn> :([06:43:34] * lewellyn ships Hedonista a level machine, some beans, a roaster, a grinder, and a tamper[06:43:37] <zedrich> whats the login to the livecd[06:43:51] <lewellyn> zedrich: as a rule, if you ask that, it won't help[06:43:55] <Hedonista> make the best of what you have and get simple pleasures where you can[06:44:04] <lewellyn> zedrich: did X not start?[06:44:16] <zedrich> lewellyn: your answer reads like an infocom game :D[06:44:31] <zedrich> lewellyn: gdm started.. think its like version 13x[06:44:44] <zedrich> http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=opensolaris+login+live+cd&aq=2&aqi=g8g-m1&aql=&oq=opensolaris+login&gs_rfai=[06:44:44] <lewellyn> that reminds me. i need to get cc65 tested[06:44:46] <zedrich> that aint getting it[06:45:00] <lewellyn> zedrich: is it asking for a login at the gdm screen?[06:45:05] <lewellyn> if so, that's probably 130 :P[06:45:11] <zedrich> jack jack[06:45:13] <zedrich> right irght[06:45:19] <lewellyn> yes[06:45:33] <lewellyn> but, again, as a rule, it's not the "right" answer :)[06:45:43] <zedrich> yeahp its not[06:45:47] <zedrich> docs wrong ... nice touch[06:45:49] <trochej> Coffee[06:45:55] <lewellyn> it's jack jack, alright[06:46:11] <zedrich> its actually 131[06:46:11] <lewellyn> but 99% of the time, that's followed by: "so now how do i install from the cli?"[06:46:18] <zedrich> heh yeahp i imagine[06:46:22] <zedrich> first thought that came to my mind...[06:46:27] <lewellyn> ok. close enough. the broken gnome. the release notes tell you what to do about it :)[06:46:30] <zedrich> there is a text option but figured Id just have the same prob[06:46:47] <trochej> Did coffee help?[06:46:56] <zedrich> probably a newer version right .. thats fixed[06:46:58] <lewellyn> better solution is to try 134[06:47:17] <zedrich> gotta love my option hunting skills ;)[06:47:48] <lewellyn> 130 happened to bring in lots of new stuff that people wanted to show up in the next release. so 131-134 was fixing that stuff ;)[06:48:20] <zedrich> the open source method of users=QA is .. debatable[06:48:32] <zedrich> especially to an automation engineer[06:48:50] <lewellyn> the dev stuff is minimally tested[06:48:53] *** lateau has quit IRC[06:49:18] <lewellyn> the tree's closed every two weeks, the thing's assembled, people poke at it and fix whatever broke, and the cycle repeats[06:49:33] <lewellyn> the releases get more testing. hence the end of /topic[06:49:39] *** Zhwazi has joined #opensolaris[06:50:16] <lewellyn> otherwise it'd be more like "that build was nice. few bugs reported. let's use that for the next release!"[06:50:35] <lewellyn> not that any open source projects do that or anything... :P[06:51:49] *** lattera has quit IRC[06:52:11] <zedrich> well .. thats the interesting argument. much like economics - loss of resources (time) is supposedly free, so thats the thing that is squandered cuz ... ya get what ya pay for[06:52:59] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[06:53:21] <zedrich> personally speaking ... that was ok when linux was cool and new and fresh and redhat just did a release every quarter regardless... oh the awesomeness of glibc and redhat 5.0 - download that steaming pile of junk sometime and try to do anything useful with it :)[06:54:16] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[06:55:18] *** macros73 has joined #opensolaris[06:56:16] *** relling has quit IRC[06:56:17] <lewellyn> 5.3 rawhide was the end of the rhl road for me[06:56:50] <zedrich> that was 5.2[06:56:52] <zedrich> i believe[06:56:54] <zedrich> great release[06:57:07] <zedrich> they always went .0,.1,.2,.0[06:57:15] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[06:57:18] <Aria> 5.3 did exist.[06:57:22] <lewellyn> 5.2 ate my disks[06:57:24] <zedrich> hrm ..[06:57:28] <zedrich> hrmmm[06:57:28] <zedrich> haha[06:57:34] <lewellyn> 5.3 rawhide broke everything[06:57:39] <lewellyn> i gave up[06:57:50] <Aria> Well, that was kinda the definition of rawhide at that point ;-)[06:57:53] <zedrich> the redhat ftp does have the oldies[06:57:59] <Aria> That was one rough stretch, the conversion from linuxthreads to posix threads.[06:58:17] <Aria> I was using addon distros at the time -- mandrake, then PLD[06:58:28] <Aria> Still use PLD, now that it's not adding on to redhat anymore -)[06:58:39] <zedrich> oh wait rawhide was the dev branch stuff right[06:58:42] <Aria> Yep.[06:58:47] <zedrich> memory didnt serve well on that one heh[06:58:48] <lewellyn> yeah. i ditched it just before release[06:58:50] <Aria> But man, I really like solaris releng.[06:59:10] <lewellyn> since i couldn't exactly bring myself to continue using a release i had already lost 3 disks to :P[06:59:17] <zedrich> Aria: in some weird way... thanks ;)[06:59:48] <zedrich> 6.0 doesnt leave a perm memory.. think it was fine. actually dont remember any released versions being bad cept 5.0 and 5.1[07:00:01] <lewellyn> and 5.2 and 5.3[07:00:15] <lewellyn> 5.1 was probably the best of the 4[07:05:27] <Aria> Yep.[07:05:35] <Aria> 6.0 was an improvement, 6.2 was quite solid.[07:05:40] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[07:05:40] <Aria> But I was happy to leave it behind.[07:06:13] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[07:07:19] *** ozux has quit IRC[07:07:53] *** e1kg has quit IRC[07:08:19] *** muthu has left #opensolaris[07:10:08] *** hudnix has quit IRC[07:12:11] <jamesd2> lblume, in case you are still around i found the issue, it was nwam, that broke things.. i just disable nwam and enable network-physical and things worked much better[07:12:50] *** macros73 has quit IRC[07:14:39] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[07:16:25] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[07:17:46] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[07:18:55] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris[07:19:52] * Hedonista wonders it the populous of the room devoted a % of their idleness could that help the /dev effort[07:21:23] <Hedonista> i'm a hobbyist not an it professional and i'm retired , thats the only resaon i ask[07:22:11] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[07:23:26] <Aria> I wish I had any idleness.[07:23:41] <lewellyn> Hedonista: how do you know none of us do? :P[07:24:12] *** hudnix has quit IRC[07:26:14] <Hedonista> if you do , great . but how can i contribute?[07:26:55] <Hedonista> im not that skilled imho[07:27:33] <lblume> jamesd2: unsurprising, since nwam does a lot of things automatically in /etc files....[07:27:41] <Andys^> Hedonista: learn it, use it, share it, support it[07:27:43] *** snuff-work has quit IRC[07:28:32] <lewellyn> file bugs :)[07:29:21] <lblume> buy beer to deserving engineers[07:32:29] * Hedonista brews his own ales and beers and invites all in the walker,mn. area to visit for samples[07:32:52] <lewellyn> and send amazon gift cards to the channel's volunteers ;)[07:33:04] <lblume> QQ coins![07:33:07] <lblume> :-D[07:33:53] <Hedonista> no seriously is ther some kind of solaris/opensolaris cloud or hpc arrangement to crunch bugs?[07:33:58] <jmcp> Hedonista: filing well written bug reports is a very useful thing[07:34:06] *** nickw has quit IRC[07:34:13] <jmcp> we run a massive test suite, every night, over almost all the code[07:34:22] <jmcp> doesn't mean we don't like to get more help, though[07:34:29] <zedrich> wow.... so much is already done with all the Sun stuff.. yet strangely none of the really important stuff haha[07:34:32] <jmcp> Hedonista: test.opensolaris.org might be the answer to the question you just asked[07:34:33] <zedrich> guess its an engineering company, true nuff[07:35:47] <zedrich> btw - where are the latest dev build install ISOs located?[07:35:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC[07:36:06] <Hedonista> bitch all you want zedrich if you arent part of the sollution... i forget the rest[07:36:14] <jmcp> liveCD isos are on opensolaris.com and genunix.org[07:36:20] <jmcp> Hedonista: ".. then you're the problem"[07:36:35] <zedrich> actually its not a bitch at all[07:36:40] <Hedonista> i guess jmcp[07:36:48] <lewellyn> zedrich: release notes and dev torrent is in /topic[07:36:48] <zedrich> quite the opposite.. at worst a backhanded compliment :)[07:37:25] <lewellyn> jmcp: you're part of the precipitate ;)[07:37:39] <jmcp> heh[07:37:49] <lblume> lewellyn: I thought the current topic was "PLEASE DO NOT READ THIS TOPIC NOR ANYTHING BECFORE ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS" ?[07:38:00] <lblume> But I wouldn't know, I don't read topics.[07:38:21] <zedrich> yay the nerd herd is here[07:38:33] <Hedonista> how can i help isnt a stupid question and often forgotten one[07:38:50] <zedrich> Hedonista: Im actually building my own thingy on top of all this stuff[07:38:57] * jmcp raises eyebrow @ zedrich[07:39:15] <zedrich> but admittedly its somewhat different than an ops perspective on life[07:39:22] <lblume> Hedonista: I was not referring to you but to a strings of slackers we had recently.[07:40:43] <lblume> Wanting to help is good, and reporting bugs is a good way to both learn and help. Even small things like typos in man pages deserve bug reports.[07:42:48] <lewellyn> lblume: s/CF/F/ # :)[07:43:22] *** nikolam has quit IRC[07:43:34] <lewellyn> anything reproducible is reportable :)[07:43:56] <lewellyn> non-reproducible is harder to write a good report for :([07:44:00] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[07:44:19] <lblume> Yes, I know.... Well, typos are the most reproducible form of bug, ever :-D[07:46:25] <Hedonista> what about metrics? is there an innocuous way to get info w/o infringing ona user and help cloud/compute images or devs w/o interactive end user inputs?[07:47:07] <Andys^> Nice Try, Microsoft employee[07:47:10] <jmcp> metrics describing what, exactle ?[07:47:13] <jmcp> exactly?[07:47:29] <lblume> What's a cloud, exactly?[07:47:37] <jmcp> lblume: itym "clowd"[07:47:45] <lewellyn> smrt: explain cloud[07:47:45] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about cloud...[07:48:09] <Macer> haha[07:48:11] <lewellyn> smrt: learn cloud=You know, those things that make that big bright room bearable, except when they leak all over the place.[07:48:14] <Macer> cloud is a marketing word[07:49:00] <Macer> wow. i just realized i was using a software decoder codec on my htpc this whole time for the tuner card[07:49:16] <Macer> it looks way better using the hw stuff heh.. even if it is standard def[07:49:18] <Macer> :)[07:49:59] * Hedonista laughs at himself ...for a second[07:50:17] *** Aria has quit IRC[07:53:08] *** sergiusens1 has joined #opensolaris[07:53:23] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[07:55:23] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[07:55:54] <CIA-21> Santwona Behera <Santwona.Behera at Sun dot COM>: 6889322 Add NLP2020 PHY support to nxge[07:57:03] *** jmcp has quit IRC[07:58:06] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[07:58:43] <madwizard> Coffee[07:58:53] <madwizard> Grmpf[07:59:12] <madwizard> maps google won't give me directions to get by foot from Szczecin to SF[07:59:35] <lblume> By bike or bus?[07:59:42] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[07:59:56] <madwizard> by foot[08:00:13] <Macer> can't you just go by car and avoid highways? :)[08:00:31] <madwizard> I think it's because of the Ocean on the way[08:00:37] <Macer> or you would think that bike routes usually stray from highways[08:00:49] <lewellyn> madwizard: they should have driving directions[08:00:50] <lblume> Can't you sweim?[08:00:51] <madwizard> What about thinking out of the box, man? I want that route![08:00:56] <lblume> swim?[08:01:01] <madwizard> lewellyn: Apparently google thinks I can't[08:01:08] <Macer> haha[08:01:14] <Macer> no ferry routes? :)[08:01:28] <lewellyn> god google maps is slow[08:01:38] <lewellyn> i've gotten spoiled by bing! :([08:01:47] <Macer> i honestly think the google navigation stuff on my G1 is pretty good[08:02:08] <Macer> lewellyn: maybe google has finally bitten off more than it can chew[08:02:18] <lewellyn> i type anything and safari starts pegging both my cores[08:02:26] <Macer> i mean with people doing foot travel through the ocean and all :)[08:02:54] <lewellyn> hey! i can visit lblume cheaply! http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=san+francisco&daddr=beijing&hl=en&geocode=FVJmQAIdKAe0-CkhAGkAbZqFgDH_rXbwZxNQSg%3BFZvlYAIdhj_wBim5LBTnllLwNTGKqQ-vIFZiuQ&mra=ls&sll=34.887365,177.2342&sspn=80.666138,162.421875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=3[08:02:59] <lewellyn> oly crap[08:03:01] <lewellyn> moment![08:03:22] <Macer> haha[08:03:26] <lewellyn> http://cli.gs/NNRzsT[08:03:50] <lewellyn> nope. i can't get to poland[08:04:07] <Macer> Kayak across the Pacific Ocean[08:04:09] <Macer> hahahaha[08:05:03] *** sergiusens1 has quit IRC[08:05:16] <lblume> lead soles and a good sized oxygen bottle should be enough. Replenish in Hawai.[08:05:29] <lewellyn> i can visit jmcp too! http://cli.gs/HWVeHt[08:06:01] <lblume> Yeah, but don't forget to get *magnetic* lead soles if you don't want to fall down there.[08:06:15] <lewellyn> is that what happened to you... ;)[08:06:47] <lblume> Nah, they give you a pair when you arrive in the airport.[08:07:38] *** nikolam has quit IRC[08:07:45] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:09:42] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[08:09:47] <Macer> i wonder if big brother would notice if you started getting directions t ostates of interest[08:09:57] <Macer> like directions from iran to north korea[08:10:36] <Macer> too bad there isn't an USSR anymore[08:11:07] <Macer> i miss the cold war[08:11:17] *** nikolam has quit IRC[08:11:37] *** thistle_ has quit IRC[08:11:59] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[08:14:21] <lblume> Cold war is not over! http://www.korea-dpr.com/[08:14:48] <lblume> (don't complain if the NSA looks more carefully at your packets afterwards :-P[08:15:00] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[08:15:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[08:15:09] *** nikolam has quit IRC[08:15:48] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[08:15:51] <lattera> why can't I install gcc-432 in b134?[08:16:42] <lblume> Because it's an obsolete package that was removed a long time ago.[08:16:44] <richlowe> because it's marked as obsolete[08:16:58] <lattera> which package should I install, then?[08:17:20] <jmcp> I was fairly certain that gcc-432 was only recently introduced to the WOS[08:17:25] <lblume> Why don't you use the GUI? It's not so bad, some days, it works, and gives you lots of choice.[08:17:33] <richlowe> jmcp: Don't think those thoughts.[08:18:10] <jmcp> lattera: are you trying to install the VLC etc packages from opensolaris.homeunix.com:10906 ?[08:18:11] <richlowe> lattera: gcc-43 (which would be 433 now, I guess)[08:18:22] <lattera> jmcp, nah, I just wanna compile C code with gcc[08:18:33] <lattera> richlowe, ah, got it, thanks :)[08:18:45] <richlowe> there's also developer/gcc-3[08:19:11] <lattera> I should have tried gcc-43, I'm just too used to typing gcc-432[08:20:51] <madwizard> ls[08:20:55] <madwizard> Wrong window[08:20:57] <madwizard> Khm[08:21:03] <madwizard> http://qubes-os.org/Architecture.html[08:24:04] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[08:24:57] <charlieS> hm, why does "lattera" sound familiar?[08:25:16] <lattera> hack3r?[08:25:22] <lattera> pulltheplug?[08:25:34] <charlieS> ah! hack3r.[08:25:39] <charlieS> yes.[08:25:49] <charlieS> ziphie and I met you at one point... :)[08:25:53] <lattera> I knew it![08:25:58] <lattera> lol[08:26:04] <lattera> what've you been up to, dude?[08:26:16] <lewellyn> jmcp: 23:09 @lewellyn: i can visit jmcp too! http://cli.gs/HWVeHt[08:26:51] * jmcp waits for box to stop thrashing....[08:26:59] <charlieS> lattera: little of this and that.. finished school and hopped around jobs. Starting to work for Ubunu May 3rd. Still hanging in portland :)[08:27:12] <lattera> way cool[08:27:16] <lewellyn> jmcp: google maps sucks :([08:27:20] <lattera> you and ziphie still chill[08:27:32] <lattera> lewellyn, rofl@kayak across the pacific ocean[08:27:37] <charlieS> yep.. almost 6 years now. Still not married ;)[08:27:40] <lewellyn> lattera: yes.[08:27:48] *** eleusis has quit IRC[08:27:52] <lewellyn> lattera: i also gave directions to visit lblume earlier![08:28:04] <lewellyn> i'm kind of curious to see if it can route door-to-door[08:29:46] <charlieS> lattera: I'm off to hit the pillow, but hey.. I'm always on freenode. Take care man.[08:29:51] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[08:29:52] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[08:29:55] <lattera> have a good night[08:29:58] <lattera> nice to see you again[08:29:59] *** lesterc has quit IRC[08:30:01] *** easyE has quit IRC[08:32:09] *** easyE has joined #opensolaris[08:32:22] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[08:33:10] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[08:33:38] *** paddy has quit IRC[08:35:49] <lattera> interesting... I'm including string.h, but gcc is telling me strdup() isn't defined[08:38:02] *** xyyz has joined #opensolaris[08:38:08] <xyyz> heh... i messed up[08:38:36] <xyyz> i accidently set all the items in / to be writeable by all[08:38:47] <xyyz> is there a list of what the permissions outta be[08:38:52] <xyyz> so i can go back and change them?[08:39:06] <trygvis> with the good old pkg tools you could use pkgchk[08:39:16] <trygvis> but pkg has a "fix" command you might use[08:39:24] <xyyz> old as in no longer available?[08:39:34] <xyyz> a fix command eh... hmmm[08:39:54] <trygvis> old as in the tools used from the stone ages up to sxce, but not in opensolaris[08:40:04] <trygvis> they're available, but not used to pkgchk won't do much good[08:40:30] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[08:40:47] <xyyz> pkgchk did the following:[08:40:56] <xyyz> ERROR: /opt/VirtualBox/sdk/installer/vboxapi/__init__.py group name <bin> expected <other> actual modtime <03/25/10 12:04:39 PM> expected <04/09/10 09:29:20 PM> actual file size <18040> expected <18036> actual file cksum <14381> expected <14435> actual[08:41:20] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:41:21] *** paddy has joined #opensolaris[08:41:22] <system51> heh, I just read that statement about future OpenSolaris now only running on 68k Macintoshes, and I want to assure you all that it is 100% pure FUD[08:41:23] <trygvis> then I guess you used pkgadd to install virtualbox[08:41:50] <xyyz> yes i did... was that wrong?[08:41:51] <system51> future versions of OpenSolaris will target the Commodore 64 and Timex Sinclair instead :-)[08:42:43] <xyyz> how about i list these 1 at a time[08:42:51] <xyyz> and someone tell me the default permissions[17:53:33] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris[17:53:42] <Meths> As far as I know. Haven't performed any extensive testing or anything. What problems are you seeing?[17:54:09] <TomJ> Meths: I haven't done it yet - I'm just about to install gcc and saw both 3 and 4 was available, and wanted to check if there was any reason not to use 4.3.[17:54:27] <TomJ> I will go ahead, thanks[17:54:30] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[17:55:43] <CIA-21> Ralph Turner - Sun UK - Contractor <Ralph.Turner at Sun dot COM>: 6905213 tar rE fails to append a file : directory checksum error[17:55:44] <CIA-21> batschul <Frank.Batschulat at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2010/008 Remove zoneadm install sub-option "-x nodataset", 6880288 retire zoneadm install -x nodataset option, 6890415 zoneadm install fails but returns 0[17:55:45] <CIA-21> Guoqing Zhu <Guoqing.Zhu at Sun dot COM>: 6897638 Variable names in igb.conf are incorrect, 6931589 igb fix for latest Intel Barton Hill support[17:56:30] *** macros73 has quit IRC[17:56:35] <syamajala> anyone use lighttpd h264 streaming on osol?[17:58:43] <TomJ> I want to get VNC running, giving me a login screen which when logged into gives me my Osol desktop. In Solaris, i did this with /etc/dt/config/Xservers, how do I do it in Osol 134?[17:59:20] <TomJ> I have Xvnc installed, but don't know where to configure it to start up - I guess there's no dtlogin any more. do I use gdm?[17:59:45] <TomJ> If so, gdm doesn't seem to start in a zone - it's dependent on dbus which can't start in a zone. so not sure how I could get vnc to a desktop running in a zone[17:59:57] *** p3rror has quit IRC[18:00:16] *** mikefut has quit IRC[18:03:27] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[18:07:01] *** commander has joined #opensolaris[18:10:01] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[18:12:27] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[18:14:01] *** jthunder has quit IRC[18:14:18] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[18:15:49] *** hsp has quit IRC[18:18:19] *** tg has quit IRC[18:19:21] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[18:19:24] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:19:31] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[18:20:19] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[18:20:48] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[18:20:51] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[18:23:45] *** scottdickson has quit IRC[18:24:06] *** scottdickson has joined #opensolaris[18:24:38] *** lblume has quit IRC[18:25:29] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[18:28:21] *** hnhn has quit IRC[18:28:46] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[18:28:49] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[18:28:49] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[18:29:00] <alanc> TomJ: yes, gdm replaces dtlogin - no idea about making it work in a zone though[18:29:38] <alanc> google should find several blog posts and instructions on setting up Xvnc with gdm in the global zone[18:29:53] *** nikolam has quit IRC[18:30:06] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[18:30:53] *** blizzow1 has joined #opensolaris[18:31:01] *** blizzow1 has left #opensolaris[18:31:06] *** blizzow1 has joined #opensolaris[18:32:06] <trochej> Coffee[18:32:14] <TomJ> alanc: right I see, well if you don't know then that sounds worrying. why is it dependent on dbus, do you know?[18:32:59] <alanc> because it's gnome[18:33:21] <alanc> beyond that I dunno, would have to ask gnome folks[18:33:29] *** leito has quit IRC[18:33:31] *** houst0n has left #opensolaris[18:33:47] <TomJ> and is there any way to get dbus to work in a zone?[18:33:50] <alanc> I still have to write the code to excise the HAL/dbus dependency from the X server one of these days[18:34:02] * alanc doesn't use zones, so doesn't know these things[18:34:13] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[18:35:11] <TomJ> ok thanks[18:39:05] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[18:39:49] <seanmcg> evening timsf[18:40:33] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[18:40:43] <timsf> 'lo[18:43:00] <TomJ> hmm, none of the guides I've found seem to work, alanc. one described edited /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf, which I don't have, and another describes running gdmsetup, which I don't have. any thoughts?[18:43:10] <|Inthewings|> Anyone wants to try Zfs with this ? http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00099367.html[18:43:50] <|Inthewings|> frightening[18:44:34] <MattBenjamin> Having just BFUed into an on nightly, I'm seeing no network--the situation somewhat resembles 6933080 and 6938281, but the changeset associated with 6938281 was in place. /usr_attr has the right entries, relative to 6933080. So maybe it's some other nwam thing--and does anyone have relevant info?[18:45:27] *** longcat has joined #opensolaris[18:45:31] *** syamajala has quit IRC[18:51:03] <TomJ> ok, /usr/sbin/gdmsetup should be in SUNWgnome-display-mgr. if I do 'pkg install SUNWgnome-display-mgr' I get 'No updates necessary for this image.' but if i do 'pkg list -a SUNWgnome-display-mgr' I get 'pkg list: no packages matching 'SUNWgnome-display-mgr' known or installed'[18:52:23] <TomJ> oh, it's renamed I think. to gnome-incorporation. but that doesn't iclde gdmsetup any more?[18:52:27] <TomJ> alanc: any ideas?[18:53:46] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[18:53:55] <Stric> TomJ: it's gone, see http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/2.24/configuration.html.en[18:54:42] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[18:54:42] *** hajma has quit IRC[18:54:52] <TomJ> ah, ok, thanks Stric[18:55:17] <TomJ> ok so gdm/custom.conf doesn't exist, I just create it I guess?[18:55:38] <CIA-21> Bhaskar Sarkar <bhaskar.sarkar at sun dot com>: 6902219 should use atomics for pci fast dvma space accounting[18:55:39] <TomJ> no sorry my bad[18:55:41] <TomJ> it does exist[18:55:43] <Stric> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587750 seems to be the upstreams bug[18:55:47] <TomJ> was looking in wrong place[18:56:10] <TomJ> got it thanks[18:59:57] *** kokotier has quit IRC[19:03:59] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[19:04:38] <alanc> TomJ: gdmsetup was deleted in the new gdm[19:04:53] <alanc> gnome-incorporation is the group of packages consisting of all of gnome[19:04:56] <TomJ> thanks alanc, I got it working now using /etc/gdm/custom.conf[19:05:16] <alanc> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+indiana/Renamed+Packages+in+Build+133 has the individual package mapping from SUNW* to the new names[19:05:44] <TomJ> thanks[19:07:16] *** wrapster has quit IRC[19:10:15] <lattera> so I plugged in a thumb drive[19:10:21] <lattera> and here's what dmesg is telling me:[19:10:21] <lattera> Apr 9 11:14:12 shawn-work usba: [ID 691482 kern.warning] WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci103c,2a61@2,1/hub@9 (hubd2): Connecting device on port 4 failed[19:10:29] <lattera> any reason why it'd fail?[19:11:00] <nikolam> drive is bad? :)[19:11:05] <lattera> nah[19:11:15] <nikolam> bad drive, bad, spank him :)[19:11:15] <lattera> works great in win7, winxp, and linux[19:11:44] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[19:12:08] <nikolam> lattera, is it b134 or 2009.06?[19:12:22] <lattera> b134[19:12:47] <lattera> I also notice this:[19:12:47] <lattera> Apr 9 11:13:43 shawn-work unix: [ID 954099 kern.info] NOTICE: IRQ16 is being shared by drivers with different interrupt levels.[19:13:01] <lattera> Apr 9 11:13:43 shawn-work pcplusmp: [ID 805372 kern.info] pcplusmp: ide (ata) instance 1 irq 0xf vector 0x41 ioapic 0x2 intin 0xf is bound to cpu 1[19:13:20] <lattera> could it be an irq conflict preventing the thumb drive from working?[19:13:42] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[19:14:07] <geppy> Sounds like it.[19:14:13] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:16:44] *** lattera has quit IRC[19:18:09] *** m4rku5 has joined #opensolaris[19:18:16] <axisys> what DTT tool can I use to find out why oracle is giving the following error ? I will suggest to check the record size to match zpool ..[19:18:20] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/4MhU0ujd[19:22:30] <balrog> is there any framebuffer driver at all for Sun Blade 100 / 150?[19:22:35] <balrog> I hate being stuck in textmode[19:23:35] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[19:24:10] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[19:25:45] <tsoome> redo recordsize is 128k best, but redo will benefit from log device[19:26:18] <tsoome> data files recordsize should match database block size (8k usually)[19:26:48] *** twisti has quit IRC[19:27:05] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[19:27:42] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:28:45] <axisys> tsoome: so besides the default recommendations, any suggestion on what DTT tool may help find out why slow commit ? iopattern may be ?[19:29:39] <tsoome> iostat -xn on redo pool disks, watch for svc_t values[19:29:40] *** \amethyst has quit IRC[19:29:44] <galt> balrog: look for the community driver[19:30:05] <tsoome> should be around 7-10ms normally....[19:30:05] <galt> there's a rage128 driver out there, just not an official one[19:30:31] <balrog> galt: I don't think the Blade 150 uses rage128 even :\[19:30:48] <balrog> it's an ATI Mach64, AKA Rage II[19:30:56] <balrog> at least that's what it seems[19:31:00] <tsoome> you have dedicated disks for redo?[19:31:00] <balrog> but where would the driver be?[19:31:13] <galt> balrog: trust me, it's a rage128[19:31:30] <balrog> okay, where then?[19:31:50] <balrog> SUNWatigfx ?[19:31:52] <galt> try xorg.com. I know that it used to be in Xfree86[19:32:08] <galt> atigfx is for the XVR100[19:32:30] <balrog> but would I have to recompile Xorg for that?[19:32:31] <balrog> :\[19:32:35] *** geppy has left #opensolaris[19:32:41] <galt> doubt it[19:32:59] <galt> just have to make sure versions match[19:33:21] <alanc> there is no graphics driver for those systems in any package from Sun[19:33:40] <balrog> alanc: I see.[19:33:45] <alanc> Martin Bochnig was working on a port of the Xorg driver, but I don't know if he has packages available[19:33:49] <balrog> is there any graphics driver anywhere at all?[19:34:19] <alanc> officially Solaris 10 is the last release to support Sun Blade 100 & 150[19:35:24] <axisys> iostat -xn on this shows 100% wait .. should that be bad in itself ?[19:35:25] <axisys> 0.0 9.8 0.0 152.0 40.0 0.1 4081.1 11.4 100 5 c1t0d0[19:36:24] <axisys> iostat -En | grep c1t0d0[19:36:25] <axisys> c1t0d0 Soft Errors: 1 Hard Errors: 1 Transport Errors: 3[19:37:09] <tsoome> wsvc_t is 4081ms ?[19:37:18] *** timsf has quit IRC[19:37:21] <axisys> tsoome: yes[19:37:22] <tsoome> thats definitely bad sign[19:37:40] <tsoome> meaning HBA is waiting to send commands to disk.[19:37:51] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[19:37:55] <axisys> tsoome: thats internal disk[19:37:55] <tsoome> and errors suggest it might be the cause...[19:38:48] <axisys> HDD0 SERVICE off amber[19:38:48] <lattera> now when I insert the thumb drive, I don't get any error messages via dmesg[19:38:49] <axisys> HDD0 OK2RM off blue[19:38:53] <tsoome> anything in dmsg?[19:38:54] <axisys> thats from prstat[19:39:10] <axisys> tsoome: nothing on dmesg[19:39:28] <axisys> *.err;kern.debug;*.notice;*.crit;*.emerg;*.alert;*.warning;*.info/var/adm/messages[19:39:29] <tsoome> seems like you need to replace it[19:39:35] <axisys> *.err;kern.debug;*.notice;*.crit;*.emerg;*.alert;*.warning;*.info /var/adm/messages[19:39:45] <axisys> tsoome: replace the disk ?[19:39:55] <tsoome> yes, or check out the cacle[19:39:58] <tsoome> cable*[19:40:04] <axisys> tsoome: or system board ? assuming internal hba is builtin[19:40:38] <tsoome> you can normally replace disks:D[19:41:06] <axisys> tsoome: that disk was replaced already tho[19:41:13] <tsoome> aha[19:41:32] <tsoome> hm. if you swap disks in slots?[19:41:46] <axisys> tsoome: i will try that ..[19:41:52] <axisys> tsoome: ask them to try that rather..[19:41:56] <lattera> so it looks like opensolaris b134 has some serious usb issues :([19:42:18] <axisys> tsoome: theorectically speaking ... %w 100 is always bad ?[19:43:11] <tsoome> no, percent of time there are transactions waiting for[19:43:11] <tsoome> service (queue non-empty)[19:43:22] *** lattera has quit IRC[19:43:34] <axisys> tsoome: just read that in man after asking you.. thanks[19:44:21] <tsoome> in loaded system there can be such load, but combined with errors and high svc_t, i would say its an symptom indicating you have hardware issue with either disk, disk connection or hba[19:44:35] <axisys> tsoome: thanks[19:44:37] <tsoome> what system it is?[19:44:59] <axisys> Sun Fire V240[19:45:11] <tsoome> i have seen IO errors in X2100, and in that case it was actually disk backplane issue[19:46:00] <deet> man, what's up with CIFS going deaf. i'm in 134 and this keeps happening, all i can do is reboot[19:46:09] <tsoome> so it can be tricky to diagnose. if you can test disk in another slot or host, and there are no errors, it will indicate issue from connector to hba[19:47:10] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[19:48:56] *** jfcastro has joined #opensolaris[19:49:26] <astra-x> so my nfs server keeps crashing; enters maintanence mode. the nfs server restarts too quickly[19:50:20] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[19:50:49] <jfcastro> hi![19:50:53] *** Kedare has quit IRC[19:50:59] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[19:51:10] <jfcastro> can I install a zone with a different publisher from global zone?[19:51:37] <jfcastro> I want install a zone with snv_134 and my global zone is snv_111b[19:51:42] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[19:52:38] <jfcastro> is it posible?[19:53:24] *** gebi has quit IRC[19:57:48] *** myosoun_ has joined #opensolaris[19:57:49] *** yarihm has quit IRC[19:58:35] <tsoome> cant say for sure, but doubt it.[19:58:45] <tsoome> why not update from 111b?[19:59:00] <tsoome> you can switch back if needed, you know that?[20:01:09] *** myosoun_ has quit IRC[20:01:59] *** myosound has quit IRC[20:02:07] <gosx> ok i'm missing something basic here... i just hotplugged a new disk into my ZFS box, and it's not listed as configured by cfgadm -a ... what command do i need to run before i can add it as a spare to my pool?[20:02:24] *** kwinz3_ has joined #opensolaris[20:02:25] <gosx> er, it's configured, but doesn't have a dsk/ entry[20:02:44] <gosx> it'll become /dev/dsk/c3t5d0 i am sure[20:04:45] *** kinkie has quit IRC[20:05:56] <tsoome> try devfsadm ?[20:06:08] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[20:06:18] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[20:06:30] *** nachox has quit IRC[20:06:33] <tsoome> or cfgadm -c configure cX[20:07:18] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[20:07:35] *** fedreric has quit IRC[20:08:24] <gosx> thx[20:08:56] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[20:09:31] *** smrt has quit IRC[20:15:44] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[20:15:45] *** jfcastro has quit IRC[20:16:03] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[20:20:07] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[20:21:25] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[20:26:09] *** jfcastro has joined #opensolaris[20:27:19] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[20:28:09] *** jottinger has quit IRC[20:30:03] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[20:30:12] *** jfcastro has quit IRC[20:33:33] *** jthunder has quit IRC[20:34:31] <brontide> any solaris cluster people around?[20:35:21] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[20:35:36] *** Kedare_ has joined #opensolaris[20:35:44] *** Kedare has quit IRC[20:35:56] <tsoome> brontide: what is your real question?:P[20:36:16] *** Kedare_ has quit IRC[20:36:32] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[20:36:34] <brontide> can't get a clusterresourcegroup to go online, " No primary node could be found for resource group rg-neon; it remains offline"[20:36:59] <tsoome> are all nodes up?[20:37:06] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[20:37:50] <brontide> and "Resource group rg-neon failed to start on chosen node and might fail over to other node(s)" yes, all nodes are online, transport paths up, quorm stable[20:38:26] <tsoome> there are rgd logs in messages/dmesg[20:41:15] <brontide> "WARNING: pool 'neon' could not be loaded as it was last accessed by another system (host: nabu hostid: 0x425d98). See: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-EY" trying to import it locally first and retrying[20:42:13] <brontide> nope, still not working and nothing in dmesg[20:43:54] <brontide> I can import / export the pool on each node without any failure, but the clustering refuses to bring the resource group online[20:43:54] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[20:43:57] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[20:47:22] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris[20:47:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig[20:48:37] *** KungFuJesus has quit IRC[20:48:46] <nrubsig> Is today a west-coast holiday ?[20:50:31] <eviljames> I wish :([20:53:00] *** aghaster has joined #opensolaris[20:53:03] <aghaster> hi[20:53:03] *** merzo has quit IRC[20:55:42] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[20:55:47] <CIA-21> Renee Danson Sommerfeld <Renee.Sommerfeld at Oracle dot COM>: 6940941 makefile for nwamd includes unneeded--and broken--references (fix unref)[20:58:02] <jnss> hundreds of WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci-ide@14,1/ode@0 (ata2): timeout: reset but, target=0 lun=0[20:58:11] <jnss> This is the first boot after installl[20:58:37] <jnss> Although, Configuring devices did show and now i am seeing Loading smf(5) service descriptions 118/150[20:58:48] <jnss> Will I have some serious problems?[20:59:04] <brontide> tsoome: had to go all the way back down the chain, including destroying the zpool and creating it under a new name and now it's online[21:00:07] *** zynox has quit IRC[21:01:20] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[21:01:37] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[21:02:34] <jnss> does anybody have any idea it's not booting?[21:02:51] *** het has quit IRC[21:04:59] *** yippi has quit IRC[21:05:51] <jbit> jnss: the bus timeout thing sounds like a hardware or driver issue[21:06:34] <Triskelios> jnss: sounds like it's booting normally so far, except for the one device that is unhappy[21:08:18] <jnss> ah! it works[21:08:28] <jnss> just fiddled a little with the laptop hd ;)[21:08:38] <jnss> this is a good day for my laptop.[21:10:03] *** tg has quit IRC[21:10:19] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[21:11:40] *** zynox has quit IRC[21:11:58] *** jottinger has joined #opensolaris[21:12:08] *** nrubsig was kicked by nrubsig (Local kill by alanc: DIE, you zombie, DIE)[21:12:22] <tsoome> .oO[21:12:37] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[21:13:03] <TommyTheKid> zombies?[21:13:16] <CosmicDJ> the living dead[21:13:26] <tsoome> .oO brainz.....[21:14:15] <TommyTheKid> soooo....[21:14:50] <TommyTheKid> IPS has been at 134 for a while, I figured surely I'd be behind by now :p[21:15:17] *** jottinger has quit IRC[21:15:24] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2010/02/calling-all-zombies.html[21:15:41] <TommyTheKid> zombies cant drive[21:15:49] <tsoome> lol[21:16:13] *** lattera has quit IRC[21:17:11] *** Apsu has quit IRC[21:18:02] *** hsp has quit IRC[21:19:41] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[21:20:54] *** twilling has quit IRC[21:21:40] *** jthunder has quit IRC[21:25:28] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[21:26:11] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[21:26:16] *** yippi has quit IRC[21:26:51] <ivo_> So guys, the installation of the different parts of a mirror on different controller[21:26:57] <ivo_> really improves performance[21:27:08] <ivo_> and uses a lot of CPU power[21:27:38][21:28:14] *** het has joined #opensolaris[21:28:36] <Triskelios> jnss: in case you boot it as xVM guest[21:29:15] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[21:30:22] <brontide> So I've got a HAStoragePlus resource, how do I then use that for HA NFS... clsetup doesn't seem to find the hasp mount point[21:30:46] <tsoome> get to docs.sun.com. there are full manuals for solaris cluster[21:30:51] <tsoome> with examples[21:32:32] <brontide> yeah, with holes[21:32:37] <brontide> I've already found errors[21:33:56] *** brontide has quit IRC[21:38:58] *** system5_ has joined #opensolaris[21:39:21] *** cron0 has joined #opensolaris[21:39:21] *** cron0 has joined #opensolaris[21:39:22] *** nitrile_ has quit IRC[21:39:54] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[21:40:43] *** scottdickson has quit IRC[21:41:06] <madwizard> Coffee[21:41:36] <cron0> What are my options if I want to install OpenSolaris without the GUI stuff? Does Caiman support or plan to support package selection during install?[21:42:15] *** dalibor has quit IRC[21:42:57] <m4rku5> cron0, for 134 theres a textinstall image (which does not offer package selection but installes OSL without GUI stuff :P)[21:45:50] <Fullmoon> m4rku5: Link? :) Sounds great[21:46:16] <m4rku5> Fullmoon, download is somewhere on genunix.org[21:46:25] *** het has quit IRC[21:47:15] *** zazenrasta has quit IRC[21:47:47] <cron0> m4rku5: That would be http://www.genunix.org/dist/caiman/textinstall-134-x86.iso ?[21:47:53] <m4rku5> yeah[21:48:18] <cron0> I didn't know that the text installer wouldn't install Gnome and all the GUi stuff, interesting![21:49:24] <|woody|> I hope they will put out a text installer for next stable[21:49:41] <|woody|> installing sparc with ai sucks[21:49:41] *** zazenrasta has joined #opensolaris[21:50:02] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[21:50:26] *** mobile has joined #opensolaris[21:50:48] <m4rku5> hmm OSOL doesnt seem to like Virtualbox' SATA controller :P[21:50:49] *** mobile has quit IRC[21:51:19] <tsoome> woody: went pretty smooth for me:D[21:51:29] *** cudgel has quit IRC[21:52:40] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[21:55:05] <|woody|> seems to depend on the system. I try to put it on a LDOM and it always can't find the rootpool to boot from :)[21:55:25] <|woody|> on a netra t1 it worked without a problem[21:55:39] <CIA-21> Peter Gill <Peter.Gill at Sun dot COM>: 6895357 Add iscsit mdb walkers and dcmds for portals and services, 6894764 RFE: RefCnt enchancements for COMSTAR iscsit mdb walker[21:55:39] <CIA-21> Chris Kirby <Chris.Kirby at oracle dot com>: 6942295 use-after-free panic in dsl_dataset_user_release_one[21:55:55] *** ma3x has quit IRC[21:56:07] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[21:56:16] <tsoome> prom is up to date?[21:58:33] <|woody|> anyway I will just wait for stable release and try again[21:59:57] *** syamajala has quit IRC[22:04:58] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[22:06:47] *** pablomh has quit IRC[22:06:54] <jbit> hrm, trying to boot opensolaris and it's rebooting automatically quite early on in the boot process, tried passing -v too and it does the same thing but with slightly more output[22:07:18] <jbit> i seem to remember an option to stop it from auto rebooting and droppign to kdb, anybody rememer what it is? :)[22:07:40] *** zazenrasta has quit IRC[22:08:05] *** freitas has left #opensolaris[22:08:32] <gosx> hey, figured out why my drive wasn't recognized[22:08:40] <gosx> and why cfgadm -c didn't help[22:08:55] <jbit> (ah, it's -k :P)[22:08:56] <gosx> it was mounted in the sled using the wrong screw holes, so the connector never actually made contact =P[22:09:12] *** longcat has left #opensolaris[22:09:21] <Triskelios> <gosx> also, it was actually a brick rather than a drive[22:10:06] <Triskelios> ;P[22:10:12] <jbit> "can not read the pool label from blah blah blah"[22:10:33] <jbit> i have seen this before, on this hardware, let's see if i can remember how i fixed it[22:10:55] <gosx> nice try Triskelios heh[22:11:16] <gosx> the 'shipping bricks' thing happened right near me[22:11:20] <gosx> that was the old miniscribe i think[22:11:25] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:11:34] <gosx> the CEO is still in jail today for that[22:11:37] <gosx> ex ceo[22:11:46] <Triskelios> jbit: the disk location changed; you need to reimport the pool on live media and try again[22:12:08] *** sunfun_ has joined #opensolaris[22:12:15] <jbit> Triskelios: yeah, seems that way[22:12:16] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[22:12:23] *** dalibor has quit IRC[22:12:29] <jbit> no way to tell the kernel to do this from grub?[22:12:33] <jbit> or kmdb for that matter[22:12:49] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[22:13:11] <Triskelios> gosx: wow, before my time[22:14:56] *** sunfun has quit IRC[22:15:21] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[22:15:39] <Triskelios> jbit: should be possible; you'd have to view the device tree in kmdb, though[22:16:06] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[22:16:09] <jbit> nice, second google hit for "can not read the pool label from" is a quote from me in an IRC log :)[22:16:18] <Triskelios> ah, conveniently, ::prtconf...[22:16:57] <jbit> Triskelios: but the question is, how do i inform the kernel of this :)[22:18:47] *** jthunder has quit IRC[22:20:01] <Triskelios> boot-path is the parameter name, but not sure where it's stored[22:20:18] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[22:21:38] <jbit> it seems i can just pass it as a -B optionn[22:22:14] *** Garen has quit IRC[22:22:58] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[22:23:00] <jbit> let's see if this works :)[22:24:00] <Triskelios> whoops, bootpath[22:24:25] *** edogawaconan has quit IRC[22:24:33] <jbit> Triskelios: yeah, found that out :)[22:25:18] <jbit> hrm[22:25:27] <jbit> can i pass multiple -Bs?[22:26:14] <Triskelios> the args are comma separated[22:26:51] <jbit> hrm[22:27:07] <jbit> can i do -B $ZFS-BOOTFS,bootpath="something"[22:27:08] <jbit> ?[22:28:23] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:28:52] <Triskelios> I hadn't considered strings that have embedded commas, dunno...[22:28:56] <samc> jbit: I'm not sure about comma-separating them, but you can definitely do more than one -B argument[22:29:00] <ivo_> axa[22:29:13] <samc> I did '-B <bootpath> -B console=ttyb' the other day[22:29:26] <Killsudo> why is the of2.3 backup/restore so useless[22:29:31] <jbit> samc: okay, i will try that, thanks[22:29:51] <jbit> tbh, i could/should just boot into a live cd[22:29:59] <jbit> but this seems more entertaining for some reason :)[22:30:44] <jbit> and learning how to do it might save my ass some day[22:30:46] <Triskelios> certainly would be more efficient if you don't make typos[22:33:12] *** dnaumov has quit IRC[22:34:20] <jbit> well i don't have >129 disc arond :)[22:34:35] <jbit> so i'd have to grab an iso, burn it, find a sata cd drive, etc, etc[22:35:44] *** het has joined #opensolaris[22:37:03] <Triskelios> the kernel really should try a bit harder[22:37:57] <jbit> "cannot mount root on rpool388 fstype zfs"[22:38:16] <jbit> zfs_parse_bootfs: error 19[22:38:17] *** Jago has joined #opensolaris[22:38:22] <jbit> hrrrmm...[22:38:40] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:38:44] *** cybernd has quit 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IRC[22:49:37] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[22:50:04] <kim0> hi folks .. what's the best way to take a full "image" style backup of a opensolaris machine on zfs rootfs[22:50:21] <jbit> kim0: zfs send i guess[22:50:50] <kim0> how to handle the partition tables and grub[22:52:41] <jbit> ah you mean like that[22:54:03] <jbit> Triskelios: hrm, i'm actually getting a different error now actually "NOTICE: zfs_domount: error 19"[22:54:21] <jbit> so it seems to find the rpool but is failing to mount it for some reason, oddness[22:54:23] *** Jago has joined #opensolaris[22:54:27] <Stric> with old solaris jumpstart, you can/could setup a flash archive install.. which can fix the partition tables/grub part..[22:54:32] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[22:55:44] <CIA-21> Vikram Hegde <Vikram.Hegde at Sun dot COM>: 6874797 Solaris needs to support I/O subtree reparenting[22:55:53] *** Bateau has quit IRC[22:56:11] <jbit> 19 is ENODEV, so it does sound like i'm specifying something incorrectly[22:58:05] *** icarus901 has quit IRC[22:59:54] *** tg has quit IRC[23:00:51] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[23:02:27] *** derchris has quit IRC[23:02:32] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[23:02:58] *** nachox has quit IRC[23:04:40] *** cron0 has quit IRC[23:04:43] <kim0> Stric: so restoring from a flar restores partition table and grub ? .. would that work on latest opensolaris with zfs rootfs[23:05:41] <jbit> seems like fs_create_unique_device() is failing.... interesting[23:07:34] <Stric> kim0: that's not what I said. jumpstart in conjunction with restoring from flar does. (i.e.: jumpstart does)[23:09:04] *** Apsu has joined #opensolaris[23:09:14] <kim0> ok thnx[23:16:30] <tsoome> flar itself is just an image archive.[23:16:54] <tsoome> docs.sun.com, go to solaris 10 and advanced installation guilde[23:16:58] <tsoome> guide*[23:17:08] *** sunfun_ has quit IRC[23:18:19] <kim0> so what I could do is, boot a live USB, run a scripts to create partitions and zfs pool, then flar to restore the image, grub to re-install itself .. reboot and it should work, am I right[23:19:10] *** system5_ has quit IRC[23:19:12] <Stric> sounds plausible[23:21:32] *** taemun has quit IRC[23:21:47] *** taemun has joined #opensolaris[23:23:22] *** robo has quit IRC[23:23:31] *** tomww has quit IRC[23:23:41] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris[23:25:06] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[23:27:01] <tsoome> you can script fdisk labelling as well as vtoc (prtvtoc+ fmthard).[23:27:08] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:27:52] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[23:28:37] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[23:30:26] <jnss> how do you suggest i get rid of X starting at bootup[23:31:15] <RoyK^> svcadm disable gdm[23:31:16] *** taemun has quit IRC[23:31:18] <TommyTheKid> jnss: svcadm disable (something X related)[23:31:27] <jnss> thanks, appreciated[23:31:37] <TommyTheKid> IIRC there are several services that support it too that can be disabled[23:31:42] <RoyK^> TommyTheKid: gdm starts X[23:31:50] <datadigger> jnss: pfexec svcadm disable gdm or graphical login (services may differ slightly over versions)[23:32:07] <TommyTheKid> graphical login is probably the appropriate choice?[23:32:08] *** taemun has joined #opensolaris[23:32:48] <datadigger> Yeah, and perhaps even fontcache (just follow the try up to non-X stuff[23:32:57] <datadigger> s/try/tree/[23:33:33] <TommyTheKid> <http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenIT/Prepare+physical+machines+to+be+xVM+dom0#PreparephysicalmachinestobexVMdom0-Disableunnecessaryservices> <-- this is what I was doing to disable various services on my xVM dom0's[23:33:54] <TommyTheKid> so I was disabling gdm directly[23:34:13] *** blizzow1 has quit IRC[23:34:38] <jnss> svcadm killed gnome ;)[23:34:55] <jnss> but yes, svcadm disable gdm is what i ran[23:34:57] <datadigger> Sounds great. jnss: then you hit the right one ;)[23:35:06] <jnss> yep ;)[23:35:08] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[23:35:27] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[23:35:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[23:42:56] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[23:45:42] <lewellyn> is it fair to assume that 6849278 is classified as a security bug?[23:45:58] *** Kedare has quit IRC[23:46:42] <alanc> lewellyn: it does not appear to be one[23:46:56] <alanc> but it's not in a solaris/* category, if you're asking why it's not on bugs.os.o[23:47:21] <richlowe> what is it?[23:47:37] <lewellyn> alanc: that would explain that[23:47:37] <alanc> it's closed as duplicate of 6765386, which is on bugs.os.o[23:47:54] <lewellyn> and 6765386 is how i found it[23:48:08] <alanc> 6849278 [development]zpool autoexpand should find ways to deal with user shrink pool size by mistake[23:48:21] <richlowe> Hmmm[23:48:28] <alanc> under development/zfs/kernel[23:48:31] * lewellyn was wondering if growing the swap zvol had been fixed yet[23:48:33] <nikolam> hm, just to mention. does anyone knows if osol could be installed on disks with gpt disk/partition table?[23:48:44] <lewellyn> nikolam: only in the protective mbr[23:49:24] <nikolam> lewellyn, means on gpt on pc?[23:49:40] <lewellyn> the protective mbr is a feature of the gpt allowing backwards compatibility[23:49:49] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[23:50:06] <lewellyn> in other words: "opensolaris doesn't know how to boot off efi yet"[23:50:29] <nikolam> i was thinking about pc bios machine / gpt[23:50:38] <lewellyn> bios boots off mbr[23:50:51] <lewellyn> if you make a gpt disk with no protective mbr, you can't boot it without efi[23:51:35] <lewellyn> note that efi machines *are* starting to trickle onto the market, finally :D[23:51:44] <lewellyn> (macs excluded from this conversation)[23:51:55] <nikolam> i see. There is some os support table there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#OS_support_of_GPT[23:52:17] <nikolam> I personally hope some other solution but efi will prevail[23:52:36] <reflect> why so?[23:52:52] <nikolam> efi is as I know closed source[23:53:33] <lewellyn> there's efi-x for that[23:54:11] <lewellyn> my understanding is that they're going to work on a wider-scope implementation when there's more of a need[23:54:19] <nikolam> There is Coreboot as I read now.[23:54:29] <lewellyn> coreboot won't catch on.[23:54:32] <jbit> hrm, why does a live image zfs pool not fail due to device differences..[23:54:34] <reflect> nikolam: I was just going to ask about that.. if there's been a comparison[23:54:39] <lewellyn> efi's been slowly gaining traction for a decade[23:54:52] <lewellyn> it takes a LONG time for people to give up backwards-compatibility[23:54:55] <nikolam> As I read once, EFI is OS for himself[23:55:16] <lewellyn> as is obp, in a sense[23:55:44] <CIA-21> Stan Studzinski <Stan.Studzinski at Sun dot COM>: 6885904 active segkp pages can not be retired[23:55:45] <reflect> then why wouldn't coreboot catch on?[23:55:46] <CIA-21> Mark Johnson <mark.r.johnson at oracle dot com>: 6924464 fstyp on kimchee device panic the system[23:55:47] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[23:55:48] <nikolam> On the other hand Coreboot is used for little less then decade on High end machines that are made on universities, I think[23:56:39] *** edogawaconan has joined #opensolaris[23:57:08] *** ubuntujenkins3 has joined #opensolaris[23:57:15] <lewellyn> reflect: because almost every major os supports efi now[23:57:15] <reflect> I mean.. what does EFI have that will get it to "make it", and CoreBoot lacks? I haven't looked into either very much myself[23:57:18] <nikolam> Proprietary vendors are all for Efi[23:57:21] *** stewart has quit IRC[23:57:30] <lewellyn> nikolam: and there's an open source implementation[23:57:35] <lewellyn> and linux has supported it for a decade[23:57:38] <nikolam> reflect, nothing[23:57:39] *** blizzow1 has joined #opensolaris[23:57:53] <reflect> nikolam: sounds like industry backing, if you ask me[23:58:03] <nikolam> yeah. open source efi?[23:58:30] *** rmorse has joined #opensolaris[23:58:49] <lewellyn> http://tianocore.sourceforge.net/[23:59:07] <aghaster> I ran a pkg image-update, it seems to have completed, but not really. it finished the installed phase, but then the process is still there, and seems to continue working[23:59:19] <nikolam> Going to gpt disks is inevitable. for support for disk larger then 2TB[23:59:34] <aghaster> it's been like that for 15 minutes[23:59:37] <aghaster> is that normal?