April 8, 2010 
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April 8, 2010 [00:00:08] <system5_> this command turns on wu-ftp: svcadm -v enable ftpd[00:00:20] *** jax_ has quit IRC[00:00:35] <TomJ> Is there any way to have it so that new zones get all packages installed that are in the global zone? My zones are missing hundreds packages compared to the global[00:00:40] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[00:00:50] <system5_> well wuftpd has been patched up to date so now it is pretty secure, it had vulnerabilities back in the Kevin Mitnick days of the late 1990's[00:00:58] <sstallion_work> TomJ: osol uses ipkg branded zones - sparse zones are gone (for now)[00:01:10] <system5_> errrr sorry: svcadm -v enable ftp[00:01:15] <TomJ> tomj@opensolaris:~$ pkginfo | wc -l ; pfexec zlogin access1 'pkginfo | wc -l' 992[00:01:17] <TomJ> 173[00:01:51] <sstallion_work> TomJ: its actually a minimally installed system (which works out quite nicely)[00:01:52] <system5_> you can also run this command (works on both Solaris and OpenSolaris): pkginfo | grep -i ftp[00:01:53] <TomJ> sstallion_work: I know, but can I get more packages installed into an ipkg zone by default? I am curently installing lots of packages I want in my zones, but there are dozens missing that I want[00:02:13] <TomJ> sstallion_work: ok, so can I cahnge it from a minimally installed system to a bigger set? perhaps on a per-zone basis?[00:02:15] <sstallion_work> TomJ: Well, you could always setup a template zone, and clone from it.[00:02:16] <system5_> TomJ- it's easy[00:02:20] <system5_> use the "zone clone" feature[00:02:38] <system5_> create one template zone and then clone it out, I think it shows how to do it in the OpenSOlaris bible?[00:02:41] <TomJ> ok, so get the packages I want in all zones installed into one zone, and clone that to make all the others[00:02:46] <sstallion_work> TomJ: you'd have to do a bit of hacking - I'm sure its possible, but I couldn't tell you how.[00:02:52] <sstallion_work> TomJ: right.[00:03:00] <TomJ> Ok thanks[00:03:02] <LaidBack_01> hey so anyone have xen running on osol again? I've been trying my best to get smokeping to run on osol, and well... I've had it. Putting a linux xvm in there instead. just seeing if anyone has had problems with xvm on b133 or so...?[00:03:03] <system5_> yes TomJ, and the amazing thing is even if you don't have zfs dedupe in your file system[00:03:17] <TomJ> system5_: yeah I know about ZFS snapshot/clones :)[00:03:32] <system5_> if you create a zone from a clone, you get an automatic dedupe kind of effect because you are using zfs snapshots, so you get a dedupe on 2009.06 even though OpenSOlaris 2009.06 doesn't have dedupe[00:03:38] <TomJ> I am coming from Solaris 10 though so I made all my zones individually, not as clones[00:03:44] <TomJ> Probably will trash tehm all and recreate[00:03:54] <sstallion_work> TomJ: you'll have to anyway[00:04:09] <sstallion_work> keep your zonecfg's around if you need them though[00:04:15] <TomJ> have to why, sstallion_work?[00:04:22] <system5_> TomJ- I think Solaris 10 with ZFS supports cloning zones now too; I created 35 identically configured zones with wordpress and chroot ftp set up for an Indian seo blogger dude[00:04:36] <sstallion_work> TomJ: opensolaris uses ipkg branded zones as opposed to native[00:04:37] <system5_> took less than 5 seconds to create all 35 identical zones with a shell script[00:04:39] <TomJ> system5_: yes it does, and cool[00:04:41] <sstallion_work> its just a different world[00:04:48] <gavino> for ftp are the users on the system able to access ftp once its enabled?[00:04:50] <gavino> same password?[00:04:54] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[00:04:55] <Triskelios> TomJ: there's no future for the SXCE zones[00:05:13] <TomJ> sstallion_work: sure I know, I already have ipkg branded zones. Sorry, this system with zones I'm talking about is not hte SXCE b99 one I'm upgrading. It's a differnet server, one that started out straight on b134. sorry for confusion :)[00:05:18] <TomJ> ^^ Triskelios[00:05:18] <system5_> and the size of each newly created zone was two megabytes (two megabytes!!! not gigabytes but megabytes!!!) this is because of the dedupe from creating from a snapshot[00:05:40] <TomJ> All my zone questions are regarding ipgk zones in b134. I don't have any zones on my SXCE bo[00:05:56] <sstallion_work> TomJ: ahh gotcha.[00:06:05] <TomJ> Anyway, yes I am going to make them again as a clone of the template zone I'm setting up now[00:06:08] <system5_> gavino- the thing I don't like about Wu-ftp is by default you log in with the same username and password as your usename, this means that if someone sniffs your traffic they could capture your password in plain text (this can happen with any ftp program FYI)[00:06:25] <system5_> so maybe you should create a second user that has no priveleges that you only use for ftp[00:06:31] <gavino> doh!!![00:06:38] <TomJ> FTP is inherently insecure, it can always be sniffed[00:06:43] <system5_> yup[00:06:46] <TomJ> it shouldn't be used anywhere you are worried about security[00:06:47] <gavino> internal use :)[00:06:47] <system5_> any FTP is insecure[00:06:48] <Triskelios> gavino: in.ftpd(1M) describes this in some detail[00:06:54] <gavino> man ftp?[00:06:58] <system5_> I use sftp via ssh[00:07:04] <gavino> thats low[00:07:05] <gavino> slow[00:07:12] <gavino> scp is even faster than sftp[00:07:17] <system5_> true[00:07:24] <system5_> rsync isn't too bad IMO[00:07:27] <gavino> <---ftp nice for banging movies around[00:07:31] <gavino> <---works with movies[00:07:32] <TomJ> it only matters on gigabit links, but yes ssh is sometimes slower than uncompressed[00:07:37] <TomJ> i get much faster speeds from NFS than from scp[00:07:38] <Triskelios> gavino: why not use NFS?[00:07:43] <Netwolf> gavino: why not use SMB?[00:07:47] <gavino> well[00:07:48] <TomJ> and you can use rsync over NFS[00:07:48] <system5_> yeah, if it's on your own home lan gavin, I woldn't be worried about your mom or your grandma sniffing your ftp password[00:07:55] <gavino> nfs has problems if I reboot the nfs server[00:07:59] <gavino> and ftp is enuf[00:08:01] <gavino> for now[00:08:03] <system5_> just log in with your notmal gavino username and password and send the movies aroudn[00:08:13] <gavino> nfs is cool[00:08:23] <gavino> is nfs about as fast as ftp?[00:08:27] * sstallion_work wanders off to do something productive.[00:08:32] <gavino> basically limit is disk write?[00:08:36] <TomJ> NFS clients recover ok as soon as the server is back. just transfers that are in progress wil hang, of course. you can use automounting to minimise the number of open mounts to just those that are required at a given time[00:08:43] <system5_> they have to be on your LAN to sniff your traffic, so don't ever use FTP over wireless or I will probably figure out your password in less than 5 minutes[00:09:05] <TomJ> system5_: you are l33t[00:09:40] <Triskelios> um, you get the password as soon as the user logs into the FTP server[00:09:49] <system5_> there is, I think a way to compile aircrack-ng on OpenSolaris, maybe I'll write it down some time....[00:09:58] <gavino> lol[00:10:12] <gavino> any hope of a lisp pacakge for opensolaris?[00:10:20] <gavino> lisp hacking!! I need to build my ego[00:10:30] <system5_> lisp hacking[00:10:31] <gavino> oddly there is slib[00:10:31] <system5_> LOL[00:10:34] <system5_> let me check blastwave[00:10:38] <gavino> which is some kinda scheme lib[00:10:44] <Triskelios> gavino: NFS can be faster with a larger I/O size[00:10:53] <gavino> larger io size?[00:10:55] <alanc> there's always emacs - it's chock full o'lisp[00:11:05] <gavino> like gig ethernet or you mean jumboframe or some shit[00:11:11] <sstallion_work> heh[00:11:13] <gavino> emacs heh well heh[00:11:16] <sstallion_work> I think theres a clisp package isn't there?[00:11:19] <system5_> blastwave has LISP add on packages for emacs[00:11:24] <gavino> not that I can find..[00:11:51] <system5_> here you go, here is your LISP package: http://www.blastwave.org/jir/pkgcontents.ftd?software=clisp&style=brief&state=5&arch=i386[00:11:54] <sstallion_work> gavino: pkg install clisp[00:12:06] <Triskelios> system5: the wireless drivers in opensolaris don't support monitor mode (necessary for WEP cracking), although it's probably not difficult to add it[00:12:07] <sstallion_work> SUNWclisp if you are < snv_133[00:12:14] <system5_> sstalion- LISP is in contrib now?[00:12:23] <system5_> or is it in the main repository on all builds[00:12:25] <system5_> hmmm, did not know this[00:12:36] <gavino> pkg install clisp:[00:12:46] <gavino> pkg: The following pattern(s) did not match any packages in the current catalog.[00:12:46] <gavino> Try relaxing the pattern, refreshing and/or examining the catalogs:[00:12:46] <gavino> clisp[00:12:59] <sstallion_work> gavino: what build are you on?[00:13:04] <gavino> # uname -a[00:13:04] <gavino> SunOS fatman 5.11 snv_111b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[00:13:11] <gavino> base osol[00:13:12] <sstallion_work> <sstallion_work> SUNWclisp if you are < snv_133[00:13:15] <gavino> ah[00:13:17] <system5_> dang, I do have a lot of LISP packages available in the main repository for snv_129, I never noticed this![00:13:21] <gavino> so upgrade needed?[00:13:26] <system5_> pkg search -r lisp[00:13:30] <system5_> then pkg install the one you want[00:13:36] <sstallion_work> gavino: no, just pkg install SUNWclisp[00:14:13] <system5_> yeah, what stallion said[00:14:24] <gavino> # pkg install SUNWclisp[00:14:24] <gavino> Creating Plan \[00:14:24] <gavino> pkg: The following pattern(s) did not match any packages in the current catalog.[00:14:24] <gavino> Try relaxing the pattern, refreshing and/or examining the catalogs:[00:14:24] <gavino> SUNWclisp[00:14:34] <sstallion_work> looks like it was added around snv_116 or so[00:14:41] <gavino> 11b[00:14:45] <gavino> ok upgrading![00:14:53] <gavino> do i go into server room and use gnome?[00:14:55] <sstallion_work> gavino: its likely an easy build.[00:14:57] <gavino> or try from command line![00:15:27] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[00:15:29] <system5_> be careful with the upgrade gavino[00:15:37] <Triskelios> I'd say there's not much point in running 2009.06 now, unless you bought a support contract back when those were available[00:16:02] <system5_> there's a lot of bugs and issues to watch when upgrading from 2009.06 to a build later than snv_129 or at least there were for me, you will probably want to read the release notes for the build you plan on upgrading to[00:16:33] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[00:16:36] <system5_> you won't hurt your system by upgrading because it takes a ZFS snapshot of the old system before upgrading, but you might be surprised at first when certain things don't seem to work quite right initially[00:16:49] <system5_> when you boot into the new boot environment[00:16:49] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[00:16:55] <gavino> last time it made this little 'boot environment'[00:17:02] <gavino> and I just chose to boot it and I was good[00:17:11] <system5_> yeah you can use the "--bename" option to name the boot environment[00:17:16] <gavino> the command line didn't work those[00:17:21] <system5_> so it doesn't name it "opensolaris-2" "opensolaris-3" etc.[00:17:21] <gavino> the image-update line[00:17:31] <gavino> i used the gnome gui few months back[00:18:01] <system5_> well try the upgrade, if it doesn't work, just boot back into the old boot environment and nothing is lost except time and a little hard drive space[00:18:03] *** niq has quit IRC[00:18:11] <gavino> pkg image-update -v liek this says no updates[00:18:25] <system5_> gavino, you need to add the /dev repository[00:18:30] <system5_> that's why it says there are no updates[00:18:35] <gavino> oh oh do i have to switch to dev repo?[00:18:39] <gavino> ah[00:18:46] <seanmcg> smrt: explain dev[00:18:46] <Triskelios> yes, /release has no updates until the next release[00:18:46] <smrt> see "dev repository"[00:18:52] <seanmcg> smrt: explain dev repository[00:18:53] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[00:19:35] <gavino> where read el notes?[00:19:36] <system5_> gavino, check out this link as well: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/correctly_setting_up_the_development[00:19:54] <seanmcg> gavino, see topic for release notes[00:20:29] *** fleyta has joined #opensolaris[00:21:52] <system5_> gavino, here is how you can update to a specific /dev build (say you only want to update to snv_129 which is what I did with my systems): http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=414379[00:22:12] <system5_> hey fleyta, did you ever solve your problem with not enough RAM?[00:22:20] <system5_> not enough RAM to build ON or whatever it was[00:22:22] <gavino> [read read][00:22:29] <fleyta> system5_: no[00:22:39] <system5_> you saw what I posted, right?[00:22:44] <system5_> capping the ZFS cache[00:23:04] <bdrewery> On the reboot from 111 to 134 I got a bunch of fmd warning, cleared them, rebooted a few times... didn't come back. Should I be concerned?[00:23:26] <fleyta> system5_: yes. But the fundamantal problem remains.[00:23:29] <system5_> bdrewery, boot back into the old boot environment and go take a nap or watch a movie or something ;-) that's what I did[00:23:44] <system5_> fleyta- you can replace GNOME with fluxbox[00:23:49] <Triskelios> bdrewery: fmdump will show the event log[00:23:51] <system5_> and use fluxbox for your builds[00:23:53] <system5_> I'll show you how[00:24:17] <system5_> I don't want developers that do important "liberation" stuff to be unable to do their work- hurts me over the long run too :-)[00:24:32] <fleyta> system5_: I used svcadm disable gdm[00:24:56] <fleyta> no graphics at all, X go home![00:25:01] <system5_> fleyta, what build of OpenSolaris are you on, what is yor cat /etc/release[00:25:07] <fleyta> B134[00:25:12] <system5_> well, fluxbox and xfce are pretty light[00:25:18] <bdrewery> Triskelios: right, I had been running 111 fine, only when booting into 134 the first time did it get anything. I flagged them repaired and have yet to see anything since[00:25:19] <system5_> ouch 134, I haven't tried that one yet, I'm still on 129[00:25:38] <fleyta> system5_: twm is hardly beatable.[00:25:40] <Triskelios> bdrewery: well, what were the issues?[00:25:40] <system5_> well, some of the commands might be a little different because the names of packages lost the SUNW stock ticker symbol after 129[00:25:51] <system5_> what's twm ?[00:25:56] <Triskelios> system5: the old names still work[00:25:57] <fleyta> man twm[00:25:58] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[00:26:01] <Netwolf> n[00:26:22] <system5_> # man twm[00:26:32] <system5_> No manual entry for twm.[00:26:32] <Triskelios> twm is a relic of the 80s[00:26:34] <bdrewery> Triskelios: defect.sunos.eft.unexpected_telemetry, fault.io.pciex.device-interr[00:27:02] <system5_> hmmm, I don't have a manual entry for twm, this is a minimalized install though, maybe I should try on a full OpenSolaris 2009.06 install?[00:27:05] <gavino> no gzip for fatman?[00:27:10] <gavino> I mean opensol?[00:27:14] <gavino> tarying to tar xzf[00:27:15] <gavino> lol[00:27:39] <Triskelios> gavino: 'z' was specific to GNU tar until very recently[00:27:45] *** macros73 has quit IRC[00:27:55] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:28:04] <gavino> so .tgz no good?[00:28:11] <gavino> how about bzip2?[00:28:16] <system5_> gavino- do somthing like this: gunzip -c filename | tar xvf -[00:28:28] <system5_> if you are using the UNIX System V version of tar[00:28:39] <system5_> see, it teaches you to use pipes and learn something about UNIX, gnu makes you lazy[00:28:48] <fleyta> system5_: tar will go away soon :)[00:29:13] <system5_> so GNU tar will be the default, that is kind of sad considering that Red Hat Enterprise Linux has Joerg's star integrated[00:29:16] <Triskelios> fleyta: ?![00:29:28] <fleyta> I have a wrapper which emulates Solaris tar with AST pax and runs faster[00:29:29] <system5_> I work for a living as a Red Hat admin, for those who didn't know[00:29:39] <Triskelios> fleyta: oh, okay[00:29:46] <fleyta> cpio will go away, too.[00:30:27] *** syamajala has quit IRC[00:30:32] <system5_> hey fleyta, bookmark these two links (the first link doesn't tell you anything you probably don't already know but the second one might be useful):[00:30:35] <system5_> link 1: http://blog.cabaretvoltaire.net/2009/04/opensolaris-part-01-porting-software.html[00:30:39] <tsoome> system5_: just gzcat, not gunzip -c:P[00:30:52] <system5_> link2: http://blog.cabaretvoltaire.net/2009/04/opensolaris-part-02-porting-fluxbox.html[00:31:03] <system5_> create a new beadm boot environment and boot into it[00:31:17] <system5_> then build fluxbox inside the new boot environment and tell me how it goes[00:31:17] <Triskelios> bdrewery: could be a driver or hardware problem. is the device that reported it is working properly now?[00:31:32] <fleyta> jmcp: Wake up![00:31:37] <system5_> if somethign goes wrong and you break your system, you only broke the alternate boot environment and did not harm your main work space[00:31:54] <system5_> try it and let me know, it's got to be better than just using no X windows at all[00:31:57] *** e1kg has quit IRC[00:32:38] <system5_> unless you have virtual consoles working in build134, do the virtual consoles work by default now in build134 fleyta or do they still need to be enabled?[00:32:40] <Triskelios> system5: fluxbox is already packaged as SFEfluxbox, no need to do everything by hand[00:32:47] <system5_> oh really?[00:32:48] <gavino> redhat ! I myself and a redhat admin![00:32:59] <gavino> I don't liek rpm a lot[00:32:59] <system5_> SFEfluxbox[00:33:07] <system5_> yeah, Red Hat is overrated[00:33:10] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:10] <system5_> heh[00:33:11] <fleyta> system5_: don't know[00:33:16] <gavino> archlinux is sweet[00:33:21] <system5_> true[00:33:28] <gavino> openbsd for small boxen[00:33:31] <gavino> freebsd not bad[00:33:31] <system5_> but the rolling upgrade path they do in archlinux scares me[00:33:39] * system5_ loves FreeBSD and OpenBSD[00:33:42] <gavino> I love that! no upgrade pain just bam[00:33:54] <gavino> netbsd not half bad either but i think they ned lil polish[00:34:04] <gavino> thier new smp supposed to rokk[00:34:19] <system5_> my friend / business partner had a lot of problems with NetBSD on SPARC for some reason[00:34:46] <system5_> with the NIC's failing, I think they were SUN "happy meal ethernet" NIC's? problem doesn't happen on Solaris for some reason[00:34:47] *** jax_ has joined #opensolaris[00:35:21] <system5_> hey so what is SFEfluxbox ?[00:35:29] <Triskelios> smrt: explain spec-files-extra[00:35:29] <smrt> spec-files-extra (SFE) is a collection of popular software which is not yet in OpenSolaris, but should be. The project ports software and creates spec files for packages. You need pkgbuild to use SFE, see: explain pkgbuild , bootstrap-sfe-latest-os20nn , http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/ , http://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/ the wiki explains how to use the build environment and gives installati[00:36:08] <system5_> so is it an actual SysV or IPS package or just a spec file for building it?[00:36:17] <Triskelios> the latter[00:36:18] <system5_> looks like a spec file[00:36:20] <system5_> ok[00:37:01] <system5_> anyway Fleyta, try out fluxbox, OpenSolaris on 1 gigabyte of RAM with GNOME and unlimited ZFS RAM cache is unbelievably painful, I don't know how you can keep your sanity[00:37:06] <Triskelios> when jucr gets straightened out, lots of stuff may end up in /contrib[00:37:42] <fleyta> system5_: I run the POSIX utility project and the ksh93 project. Don't call me sane.[00:38:17] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[00:38:23] <system5_> I might join that project later on under my real name and not under my anonymous system5 handle[00:38:25] <fleyta> system5_: I don't understand how Roland managed to keep himself sane.[00:38:41] <system5_> I'd rather have the stuff people are looking for integrated into /usr/bin than have /usr/gnu/bin in front of the path[00:38:48] <system5_> some of the stuff people are looking for[00:39:00] <system5_> like what they did with the new version of ps that supports both BSD and System V flags[00:39:18] <system5_> ps -ef and ps aux both work now[00:39:22] <Triskelios> fleyta: you mean... he did?[00:39:28] <fleyta> system5_: The hardest part is to find sponsors in Oracle for put backs.[00:39:36] <system5_> who is Roland? sounds German[00:39:50] <system5_> well, fleyta, if you get a big enough team of people together it becomes easier[00:39:51] <fleyta> Triskelios: I can tell. We're married.[00:40:03] <system5_> it's hard to do anything by yourself[00:40:28] <system5_> but if I contribute, I'm mainly interested in working on Linux Branded zones and userspace command line stuff[00:40:53] <Triskelios> fleyta: oh![00:41:22] <system5_> I want a way to sell Linux branded zones to retarded customers, and when they install Joomla in the zone and get hacked, I can rewind to a ZFS snapshot of an unhacked system[00:41:25] <system5_> that would be my nirvana[00:41:45] <system5_> retard customer is happy because they have Linux, and the sysadmins are happy because they have UNIX, it's a perfect world![00:42:34] <gavino> lol[00:42:37] <gavino> joomla[00:42:41] <fleyta> system5_: ha ha. Branded zones don't pass the LSB tests and fail to run much stuff because mremap() is not there.[00:42:50] <system5_> I know[00:42:57] <system5_> makes it more fun[00:42:57] <Triskelios> system5_: xVM would be more doable today[00:43:13] <system5_> yeah, but zones are more light weight than xVM therefore there is a higher profit margin[00:43:41] <system5_> I know that a lot of things don't work, you smart programmers need to understand that the typical customer doesn't even SSH into their box ever[00:43:43] <gavino> I think opensolaris needs to install iceWM by default and get away from GUI[00:43:52] <system5_> they just want cPanel or DirectAdmin or Plesk or Joomla to work[00:43:55] <gavino> make sure commadn line way for doing stuff is tested[00:43:56] <system5_> and they want a pretty web interface[00:44:15] <gavino> yeah manager tards who dotn know tek can act liek masters of universe with that garbage[00:44:22] <gavino> liek sugarCRM or jira/confluence[00:44:25] <gavino> ptaaa[00:44:30] <gavino> I spit when I heard of them[00:44:34] <system5_> if the customer just uses the cpanel web GUI interface and never SSH's into the box to do serious work then branded zones will work hard[00:44:42] <gavino> :)[00:44:49] <gavino> network goons love gui unix too[00:44:55] <system5_> making good margins[00:45:04] <system5_> since you can fit more zones into a box than you can xVM instances[00:45:27] <gavino> do zones replace vmware?[00:45:45] <gavino> work with windows? prety sure they do with linux.[00:45:58] <system5_> but yeah, the typical customer justs wants a pretty web interface like this to manage their server: http://www.hostingzoomreview.org/images/hosting-zoom-cpanel.gif[00:46:35] <system5_> they complain to me that something is not working and I tell them to SSH in to their box and their response is "what's SSH? Is that something related to cpanel?"[00:46:43] <system5_> man there are so many PHP developers that are like that[00:46:51] <system5_> no wonder their stuff is always broken.... or hacked[00:47:32] <system5_> the only problem is that BIND / DNS doesn't work in a CentOS 3.9 zone, other than that, I have a solution that is 80% of the way there[00:47:41] <system5_> that and the fact that lx_brand zones are only 32-bit[00:48:21] <Triskelios> gavino: Xen (xVM) is a hypervisor/VM like VMware, zones are a much more lightweight isolation mechanism[00:48:48] <system5_> yeah, if I go the Xen route, it will cut down how many instances I can put in a single box by a factor of 10 at least[00:49:51] <lattera> I'd take cpanel over windows server any day[00:49:59] <lattera> we're a microsoft shop where I work[00:50:23] <lattera> and I absolutely hate the rare times I have to do server admin tasks[00:51:21] *** jax_ has quit IRC[00:51:35] <TomJ> sstallion_work: zoneadm -z zone install -d / -u # works to install a zone with all (or most) packages of the global[00:51:50] <gavino> pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v ok guna read release notes before[00:52:01] <Triskelios> TomJ: that's pretty sweet[00:52:07] <gavino> system5 by factor of 10 WOWW[00:52:12] *** psychicist has quit IRC[00:52:24] <TomJ> Triskelios: yeah don't you just love ZFS and zones[00:52:28] <gavino> so zones are megalight![00:53:18] <system5_> I can run a cpanel instance in an lx brand zone using only 120 megabytes of RAM, running the same thing in a full LInux instance under Xen uses 640 megabytes of RAM,[00:53:33] <system5_> where the "factor of 10" comes in is the benefits of ZFS deduplication when you clone out zones[00:53:39] * system5_ goes to eat his lunch[00:53:56] * system5_ has a nice home cooked meal waiting for him courtesy of his g/f[00:54:03] *** fleyta has quit IRC[00:55:19] <Triskelios> gavino: zones share the same kernel and only duplicate the minimal set of resources needed to pretend there is a separate host. every system already has at least one zone - the global zone[00:55:43] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[00:55:48] <gavino> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-March/017650.html aagg[00:56:01] <gavino> hmmm[00:56:04] <gavino> i386 here..[00:56:40] <gavino> buggerit i launched the upgrade![00:57:58] <gavino> creating plan / | \[00:58:35] <Triskelios> gavino: if you see any messages during the upgrade, be sure to look them up in the notes[00:58:36] <gavino> oow its cookin[00:58:50] <gavino> it says unevaluated and lists 2 things[00:58:57] <gavino> back to creating plan[00:59:19] *** omry|work has quit IRC[00:59:36] *** bubbva has quit IRC[01:01:45] <gavino> still cookin![01:01:47] <gavino> ;)[01:03:50] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[01:04:44] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[01:11:19] <TomJ> How do I convert root back to a username?[01:11:36] <Triskelios> TomJ: rephrase that question?[01:12:14] <TomJ> It's a role by default. I just copied / into a zone, using that zoneadm -d / thing, but now I can't zlogin into it because root can't be logged into, only su'd to. So I want to make root a normal user, not a role[01:12:58] *** felipe_ has quit IRC[01:13:20] <Triskelios> edit /etc/user_attr and remove type=role[01:13:38] <TomJ> thanks[01:13:41] <CosmicDJ> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3321/rbactask-20?a=view example 9-9 Changing the root Role Back Into the root User[01:13:51] *** Thrae has quit IRC[01:14:10] <Netwolf> ok, lets see if gmake -j on fluxbox will bring the machine down[01:14:13] * Netwolf is bored[01:14:13] <CosmicDJ> which says: "type=normal"[01:14:27] <CosmicDJ> not delete it...[01:14:32] * Netwolf runs prstat -aL for kicks[01:14:36] <gavino> ok still creating a plan[01:14:42] <gavino> and can't login as root[01:14:43] <gavino> hmm[01:15:09] <gavino> can't ssh in as root[01:15:11] <gavino> hmm[01:15:20] <Triskelios> CosmicDJ: the default type is normal, but yeah, looks like usermod -K is the correct way to change attributes[01:15:44] <CosmicDJ> s/user/role/ ;)[01:15:51] <Netwolf> load avg: 29.6, 8.77, 4.27;[01:16:17] <Triskelios> gavino: you normally can't login as root, nor should you[01:16:58] <Netwolf> Total: 237 processes, 530 lwps, load averages: 48.36, 17.95, 7.84[01:17:05] <Triskelios> Netwolf: I strongly suggest you look at SFEfluxbox[01:17:44] <Netwolf> Total: 245 processes, 527 lwps, load averages: 61.64, 25.61, 11.01[01:17:51] <Netwolf> Triskelios: too easy :)[01:18:13] <Netwolf> shoot. dang compile error...was on a roll[01:18:20] * Netwolf goes and fixes fluxbox[01:18:24] <Triskelios> Netwolf: duplicating work is not helping the porting efforts[01:18:30] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[01:20:09] <Netwolf> Triskelios: no, but its helping me kill my machine. Grin[01:20:26] <Triskelios> okay ;P[01:20:36] *** syamajala has quit IRC[01:21:16] <Triskelios> is this like a UltraSPARC II or something? I didn't think fluxbox had that large a codebase...[01:21:59] <Netwolf> SunOS sun 5.10 Generic_142900-07 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-2500[01:22:20] <gavino> ok lots of stuff downloading now[01:22:21] *** jnss has joined #opensolaris[01:23:04] <Triskelios> oh, that's not too bad at all[01:23:53] <Netwolf> Undefined first referenced symbol in file[01:23:56] <Netwolf> XdmcpWrap /opt/csw/lib/libxcb.so[01:23:57] <Netwolf> Hmm...[01:24:04] <Triskelios> heh, blastwave...[01:24:08] <alanc> should be in libXdmcp[01:24:40] <alanc> though, libxcb on the side, that's gotta be fun to mix with a non-xcb aware libX11[01:25:00] <alanc> unless blastwave is shipping libX11 too[01:25:12] <alanc> either way is more insane than I want to think about[01:25:12] <Triskelios> I bet they are[01:25:29] <Triskelios> alanc, isn't xcb supposed to have an explicit dependency on libXdmcp?[01:25:53] <Netwolf> hmm..[01:25:54] <Netwolf> nm /usr/openwin/lib/libXdmcp.so | grep XdmcpWrap[01:25:59] <Netwolf> returns nothing[01:26:15] <Netwolf> and I'm not sure where xcb is being linked from?[01:26:31] <Triskelios> Netwolf: going to guess that you need the blastwave libXdmcp too[01:26:59] <Triskelios> "and the blastwave C library, and the blastwave kernel"[01:27:22] <Netwolf> hehe[01:29:01] <Netwolf> Triskelios: no go, as nm /opt/csw/lib/libXdmcp.so | grep XdmcpWrap[01:29:02] <system5_> gavino, if you have problems updating, you can always stick with 2009.06 and isntall the LISP package from www.blastwave.org[01:29:06] <Netwolf> comes back with nada[01:29:49] <alanc> right, XdmcpWrap wouldn't be in S10 libXdmcp - if blastwave is distributing libxcb that uses it, they need to distribute libXdmcp as well[01:29:49] * Netwolf gives up on fluxbox[01:30:20] <alanc> XdmcpWrap is the Triple-DES encryption wrapper we didn't get around to getting government export permission for until after S10[01:30:39] <TomJ> i liked fluxbox, for use on my Solaris 10 servers as a very lightweight GUI for when I occasionally need to use one, e.g. for Oracle dba or JProfiler[01:30:43] <Netwolf> alanc: they do, except that theirs doesn't have the symbol. No worries, its not like I'm being paid to port fluxbox :)[01:31:06] <TomJ> I think I compiled it myself with Sun Studio, because the Companion DVD version was pretty old[01:31:37] *** lattera has quit IRC[01:32:17] <TomJ> oh I compiled with GCC acutally[01:33:07] <Triskelios> alanc: it took me a moment to realise you weren't joking[01:33:34] <alanc> Triskelios: about XdmcpWrap? nope[01:34:06] <alanc> when libXdmcp was first added in Solaris 2.2 or whatever, TripleDES was restricted for US export and by other countries for import[01:34:15] <alanc> (France & Russia I think)[01:35:05] <alanc> the restrictions relaxed to allow it years ago, but it took years for me to get around to filing the paperwork to get the approval to turn it on, since no one was really pushing for it[01:35:52] <system5_> I just built flux box following these instructions: http://blog.cabaretvoltaire.net/2009/04/opensolaris-part-02-porting-fluxbox.html and it worked[01:37:04] *** pdlnhrd has joined #opensolaris[01:38:18] <pdlnhrd> can someone tell me if the lastest firmware for t2000 supports ilom or only alom?[01:38:20] <gavino> iceWM for the win!![01:38:26] *** cybernd has quit IRC[01:38:38] *** brandini has joined #opensolaris[01:38:54] <brandini> so has 2010.03 become 2010.04?[01:39:03] <system5_> hey gavino, did the update work ok?[01:39:30] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[01:39:36] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[01:39:47] <CosmicDJ> brandini: unless you can turn back the time ;)[01:40:02] <gavino> its downloading gig of goodies[01:40:07] <brandini> CosmicDJ: I've been looking for my flux capacitor for a while now[01:40:15] <CosmicDJ> hehe[01:40:43] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[01:40:46] <system5_> gavino- did you read the release notes, there might be some nasty surprises waiting for you after the reboot into the new boot enviornment, no worries though because you can still rewind back in time by booting into the old boot environment[01:40:46] <gavino> actually its in 'install phase'[01:40:47] <TomJ> Is there a pkg for /usr/X11/include ?[01:40:58] <gavino> release notes were copious[01:41:05] <gavino> not much seemed to apply[01:41:06] <gavino> :)[01:41:20] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: pkg search X11.h ? (or smth like that)[01:41:31] <gavino> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-March/017650.html[01:41:31] <system5_> ok.... good luck.... feel free to vent on IRC if something critical isn't working right after the update :-)[01:41:39] <gavino> :)[01:41:40] <gavino> lol[01:41:57] <brandini> we would never!![01:41:58] <brandini> ;)[01:42:14] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: good idea, nothing found though :([01:42:27] <modify> anyone know where I could find an iso for 5.10 Generic_118855-33[01:42:39] <Triskelios> TomJ: alanc destroyed /usr/X11, it's /usr/include/X11 now[01:42:46] <system5_> modify, this is an #opensolaris IRC room, try asking in #solaris[01:43:05] <TomJ> Triskelios: oh ok, that has hardly any files in it either though[01:43:18] <TomJ> only two .h files[01:43:24] <brandini> I wonder if I dare ask this... but has oracle released their deadly grip from opensolaris?[01:43:42] <brandini> keep in mind I've not been in the loop for a while[01:43:49] <system5_> seems like less of a grip than sun had, due to the internal confusion created by the merger[01:43:54] <CosmicDJ> brandini: http://www.pythian.com/news/10661/nobody-killed-opensolaris-stop-the-fud/[01:44:07] <alanc> Triskelios: it's always been /usr/include/X11, it's just now directly there instead of symlinked to /usr/openwin or /usr/X11[01:44:07] <brandini> I think the url says it all[01:44:18] <system5_> however, it's virtually impossible to buy Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris support right now although my partner is negotiating with someone at Snorcle[01:44:26] <brandini> seriously opensolaris is one of the best open source projects that exists[01:44:30] <gavino> snoricle?[01:44:32] <gavino> lol[01:44:35] <brandini> lol[01:44:41] <alanc> you'll need to install SUNWxwinc to get the headers though (or x11-headers I think in the new names)[01:45:05] <richlowe> alanc: pkg info -r <old name> will show you the new name[01:45:14] <richlowe> x11/header[01:45:24] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[01:45:33] <alanc> brandini: Oracle certainly has lost control of the OGB, with only one Oracle employee elected this year, and 6 non-employees[01:46:02] <system5_> I hate to say it, but UX-admin is right again in his comments at that URL link[01:46:08] <system5_> some of what he says does make a bit of sense[01:46:19] <alanc> richlowe: yeah, or I could look in my other workspaces, where I have the manifest files for it, or find the firefox tab I have the renaming list open in, but I was being lazy[01:46:26] <system5_> even though I'm sure people who work on Indiana probably like him even less than they like Joerg[01:46:46] <alanc> will take a while for the new names to become as firmly implanted in my brain as SUNWxwinc or SUNWxwplt[01:47:12] <system5_> UX-admin said: "they [Oracle] made barrier to entry so high, that most IT departments won’t bother!"[01:47:25] <system5_> that's a fair criticism, barrier is high, as I am still trying to climb up that wall myself[01:47:51] <alanc> strangely, the only people who still talk about "Indiana" are the ones not working on it - it's either "OpenSolaris" or "Nevada" now that Indiana & Nevada merged[01:48:06] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[01:48:14] <brandini> system5_: I agree, he's got good a good economic sense of what's happening[01:48:33] <system5_> well, when I say OpenSolaris, I don't want people to think that I"m talking about SXCE, Belenix, Milax, Schillix, Nexenta, StormOS, AuroraUX, etc. etc.[01:48:37] <brandini> I'd like to add that if oracle really felt like putting the cabosh on opensolaris they could[01:49:06] <system5_> saying "Indiana" means you're referring to the "formerly Sun, now Oracle, official OpenSolaris distribution" but in fewer syllables[01:49:15] <brandini> haha[01:49:29] <system5_> I've talked to UX-admin offline and he works at a bank in Switzerland, I think[01:49:30] <brandini> I'm hoping .04 comes out soon cause I want to upgrade :)[01:49:55] <system5_> he manages like 20,000 or some similarly huge number Solaris 10, HP-UX and Suse servers[01:50:11] <richlowe> and, I assume, eh doesn't afraid of anything.[01:50:19] <system5_> don't piss him off guys, that's a lot of Solaris 10 support contracts to loose ;-)[01:50:21] <brandini> single handedly?[01:50:52] <CosmicDJ> well he's not trying to make friends with opensolaris -> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6476-Recommended-Reading-pythian.com-Nobody-Killed-OpenSolaris-Stop-the-FUD!.html#comments[01:51:13] <system5_> well, he says that Flash Archive on Solaris 10 and Ignite-UX or whatever it's called on HP-UX makes it easy for him to image out large numbers of systems, combined with shell scripts he puts in his SysV packages[01:51:32] <system5_> he says he hates Linux because Suse and Red Hat don't have FLash Archive or Ignite-UX[01:51:35] <CosmicDJ> "let's keep OpenSolaris completely out of this discussion, because that thing is useless for any kind of real work."[01:51:50] <system5_> lol![01:52:03] <system5_> it is hard using OpenSOlaris for real work, but I've done it[01:52:23] <brandini> I use openbsd snapshots for real work but I'm wild and crazy like that[01:53:19] <system5_> my first OpenSolaris Indiana server install was such a nightmare because the server was in a building 6 blocks away from my NOC and I didn't know how to do the A.I. automated installer (I couldn't put a DHCP server on the network) and there was no way to assign a static IP address until after the reboot (from the command line)[01:53:24] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:53:41] *** pdlnhrd has left #opensolaris[01:53:48] <brandini> 20k machines is probably most of Sun/goracles customer base ;)[01:53:58] <brandini> BAZINGA?[01:54:18] <system5_> that was the most difficult server install I've ever done in my life, Red Hat / CentOS / Oracle Enterprise Linux just lets you type in a static IP address during the install and SSH in after it reboots at the end of the install[01:54:38] <system5_> if I don't use kickstart to install Red Hat LInux I use a "linux vnc" command to install it remotely through vnc through a VPN tunnel[01:54:45] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[01:55:00] <system5_> I think Sun's base is bigger than 20k machines for customers[01:55:03] <brandini> openbsd is my favorite :)[01:55:10] <system5_> there are telcos and govt / military that use Solaris[01:55:18] <CosmicDJ> 20.001? ;)[01:55:19] <brandini> yeah, and lots of finance[01:55:22] <system5_> when I was in the Army we had a lot of Solaris around in the back end[01:55:33] <system5_> well finance seems to be more IBM territory in my opinion[01:55:35] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[01:55:41] <brandini> I've seen it go both ways[01:55:51] <system5_> everyone I know who works at a bank has AIX and mainframes and IBM i a.k.a. AS/400 there[01:55:52] <brandini> most of the stuff around here... fidelity, etc is all sun[01:55:55] <alanc> Sun has more than 20k machines internally alone[01:56:02] <Spencer_tt> I come here for the chatter nothing creative :)[01:56:08] <CIA-21> Suhasini Peddada <Suhasini.Peddada at Sun dot COM>: 6939072 Oracle RAC failure with cable pull destructive testing with RDS driver[01:56:13] <brandini> Spencer_tt: me too![01:56:17] <Spencer_tt> where did that come from :o[01:56:26] <Spencer_tt> brandini: yeah[01:56:33] <system5_> that's good brandini![01:56:50] <brandini> system5_: v100's at every client site[01:56:51] <system5_> maybe someday we'll get the banking system off of IBM IMS and on to another transaction system like Oracle Tuxedo[01:57:07] <brandini> system5_: we had an ASS/400 and sun boxen both[01:57:18] <brandini> fruedian slip[01:57:19] <system5_> most of the sun kit I've seen was either on a military base or in a backroom at a University[01:57:20] <gavino> nearing completion!![01:57:27] <system5_> U.C.I. had a lot of Sun kit and so did U.S.C.[01:57:36] <brandini> gavino: what's nearing completion???[01:57:43] <Spencer_tt> system5: or someone with nothing better to do :)[01:57:53] <Spencer_tt> always kills me...[01:58:00] <gavino> my upgrade[01:58:06] <brandini> I like opensolaris cause I can set it up and go, "yes but can your system do this"[01:58:13] <system5_> yeah, I work a shift in a 24 hour NOC, so today is my day off[01:58:15] <brandini> and they never can but it makes them work harder ;)[01:58:52] <brandini> minute to win it is on![01:59:00] <gavino> 24 hours of watching lil blinky lights?[01:59:03] <system5_> I think the new text installer gives me renewed hope for OpenSolaris, I'm going to spend some quality time evaluating it later this week and hope all of the rest of you in the community do the same[01:59:04] <gavino> lol[01:59:08] <Spencer_tt> brandini: I have one moto want to know it?[01:59:15] <brandini> Spencer_tt: sure![01:59:24] <system5_> for a minimal server OS with SSH only and no X-windows[01:59:31] <Spencer_tt> brougham: WHY TRY HARDER WHEN YOU'RE NUMBER ONE :d[01:59:36] <Spencer_tt> oops[01:59:36] <gavino> screw that x windows crap[01:59:42] <brandini> lol[01:59:47] <Spencer_tt> TV is distracting me[02:00:08] <Spencer_tt> did you here that :)[02:00:15] <brandini> farted?[02:00:23] <Spencer_tt> kinda[02:00:33] <Spencer_tt> really embarrassing[02:00:37] <brandini> it's ok, just so long as the smell doesn't leak across IRC[02:00:49] <Spencer_tt> I'm working on it :)[02:00:59] <brandini> you can prolly do it with zf[02:01:01] <brandini> *zfs[02:01:03] <CosmicDJ> disgusting[02:01:10] <system5_> if any of you want to try the text installer on your servers, you can get it from here:[02:01:12] <system5_> http://www.genunix.org/dist/caiman/textinstall-134-x86.iso[02:01:47] * system5_ leaves for a bit to go do some work[02:02:29] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[02:02:39] <brandini> I'm still on b126[02:02:42] <brandini> it's working for me though :)[02:02:45] <brandini> really well[02:03:43] <brandini> and it handles "powerfail by curious 10 month old" really well too[02:04:18] *** xyyz has joined #opensolaris[02:04:38] <xyyz> is it possible to group/combine 2 separate zfs pools into 1?[02:05:01] <xyyz> 2 zfs pools with 4 drives each[02:05:14] <xyyz> each is set in a raidz configuration[02:05:31] <xyyz> they're on two separate external storage units[02:05:46] <Spencer_tt> brandini: flash that free cd to someone somewhere you'll be surprised who doesn't want to admit somewhere in their organisation OpenSolaris is in use. I like it that way..[02:06:10] <xyyz> i want to be able to combine each separate 4 disk unit, into 1 logical unit[02:06:13] <xyyz> is it possible?[02:07:00] <brandini> Spencer_tt: I set myself up a vm on my workstation that runs opensolaris for my DB just cause it sucks so much less than CentOS[02:07:30] <brandini> which is what we run on in production[02:07:49] *** ozux has quit IRC[02:08:42] <Spencer_tt> hmm I'm not sure which db to use now since Oracle is in the driving seat.. safe to say SQL developer doesn't hurt a bit for casual development[02:09:11] <brandini> I'm using postgresql[02:09:17] <brandini> I like it, I trust it, it doesn't suck :)[02:09:18] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[02:09:24] <Spencer_tt> that's the one I like[02:09:48] <Spencer_tt> do you use pgAdmin[02:10:04] <brandini> Nope, just psql at the command line[02:10:26] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[02:11:48] <Spencer_tt> I'll see what my VM can lead to, still running Oracle XE in one is out of the question.[02:12:15] *** zynox has quit IRC[02:12:27] <brandini> I've got the install down to a science... set my write size to 8K and init the db[02:12:33] <brandini> tada, I win![02:13:19] <Spencer_tt> I'll use anything that's not vigorously marketed ;)[02:13:38] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: delayed pong[02:13:44] *** zynox has joined #opensolaris[02:13:50] <brandini> Spencer_tt: recordsize=8K I mean[02:13:55] *** zedrich has joined #opensolaris[02:13:58] <Spencer_tt> :)[02:14:03] <zedrich> is anyone aware of a java API for crossbow..[02:14:33] <brandini> I need to take another look at virtualbox[02:14:35] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[02:14:48] <zedrich> brandon: what ya wanna know?[02:14:50] <brandini> last I tried it openbsd couldn't even install because of all the unimplemented cpu calls[02:15:03] <zedrich> its waaayyyy better tnow[02:15:15] <brandini> cool beans[02:15:16] <gavino> openbsd nice on i386[02:15:17] <gavino> ;)[02:15:18] <zedrich> as fast as vmware and has some features that no one else has implemented[02:15:37] <zedrich> yeah you could run openbsd on qemu or something for all that[02:15:44] <brandini> theo sent out a "don't use it email" a while ago and I haven't made time to check since[02:16:00] <zedrich> theo sent out a 'dont use vbox' email?[02:16:06] <zedrich> probably more religion than fact[02:16:09] <Triskelios> zedrich: check what the crossbow Virtual Wire demo program does[02:16:12] <zedrich> i can test it now real quick if ya want[02:16:15] <brandini> well, only because folks were having issues and asking him why[02:16:29] <brandini> he just said they don't have stuff implemented all the way yet[02:16:44] <xyyz> "they dont" eh?[02:16:53] <zedrich> 4.6 latest right[02:16:56] <brandini> xyyz: and they didn't[02:16:58] <Spencer_tt> brandini: I tried postgre on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows(the cleaning part is a nuisance)[02:17:00] <zedrich> naw.. it does[02:17:01] <brandini> zedrich: yeah, or grab a snapshot[02:17:06] <xyyz> how long ago was this?[02:17:16] <brandini> a long while ago[02:17:27] *** ElllisD has joined #opensolaris[02:17:29] <brandini> Spencer_tt: you'll love it in opensolaris[02:17:30] <zedrich> yeah its all good now. and fast.[02:17:33] <xyyz> and his tune hasn't changed since?[02:17:36] *** tosh has quit IRC[02:17:40] <zedrich> where aer the openbsd iso?[02:17:40] <ElllisD> where's /etc/fstab in osol 2009.06?[02:17:42] <brandini> xyyz: I haven't asked him... :)[02:17:45] <zedrich> or boot floppy image.. etc[02:17:47] <xyyz> sorry... love what in opensolaris?[02:17:48] <brandini> zedrich: one sec[02:17:51] <xyyz> obsd?[02:17:52] <Andys^> theo's argument is that your Virtualisation platform is less secure than openbsd[02:18:08] <xyyz> his argument to everything is that it's less secure[02:18:11] <Triskelios> ElllisD: do you mean /etc/vfstab?[02:18:12] <xyyz> i guess he's right in a way[02:18:14] <snuff-work> ElllisD: its called /etc/vfstab[02:18:18] <zedrich> heh[02:18:20] <zedrich> yawn[02:18:22] <Spencer_tt> Andys^: by the looks of it everything else is less secure than OpenBSD[02:18:23] <ElllisD> vbox fails & google says to add an entry to fstab. mine doesnt have fstab in /etc[02:18:25] <brandini> ftp://mirrors.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386/install47.iso[02:18:27] <ElllisD> ooo[02:18:30] <ElllisD> ok tyvm[02:18:42] *** swa_ has quit IRC[02:18:43] <Andys^> right, so its like, why bother using openbsd, if you're just gonna virtualise it. using a VM is newer and less tried and tested[02:18:57] <brandini> Andys^: that wasn't what he said[02:19:17] <brandini> he was getting complaints about snapshots and such not installing and he just said that the vbox stuff still had some stuff wrong and not to use it[02:19:24] <brandini> lets not embellish the story too much ;)[02:19:25] <zedrich> afaik there have been no ring 1 escalation exploits for vmware, I assume vbox shares this[02:19:28] <Triskelios> ElllisD: that doesn't sound like the right solution to a vbox problem[02:19:43] <xyyz> i have vbox running obsd on a mac[02:19:46] <xyyz> seems okay[02:19:48] <brandini> zedrich: did you catch my link?[02:20:02] <Andys^> zedrich: pretty sure there have been[02:20:14] <zedrich> Triskelios: any pointers to that[02:20:19] <Spencer_tt> what do vms and vm's have in common[02:20:22] <zedrich> Andys^: dont think so[02:20:27] <xyyz> soo.... anyone.... link 2 separate zpools into 1? can it be done?[02:20:34] <Andys^> xyyz: no[02:20:38] <xyyz> :([02:20:40] <Triskelios> zedrich: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+crossbow/demo[02:20:46] <xyyz> heh... and that's that[02:20:49] <brandini> Spencer_tt: I give up![02:20:57] <zedrich> Andrew1: make a directory and then mount 2 underneath it ;)[02:21:10] <xyyz> just something that isn't implmented, or something that wont be done[02:21:16] <Spencer_tt> brandini: let's try it another time :)[02:21:21] <brandini> haha ok[02:21:27] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[02:21:30] <Spencer_tt> you'll figure it out eventually.[02:21:32] <jamesd_laptop> xyyz, probably wont be done, unless a community member does the work[02:21:52] <brandini> I'm hoping openbsd gets hella-fast once they get biglock removed[02:21:54] <xyyz> alas, about a decade past my knowledge level[02:22:00] <brandini> cause it's my favorite OS[02:22:13] <zedrich> brandon: definitely always been hellaslow[02:22:18] <xyyz> it's great for firewalls... PF's top notch[02:22:23] <Andys^> brandini: i wouldn't hold my breath, thats not the only performance issue ;)[02:22:23] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[02:22:31] <zedrich> last time i tried it out .. sync disk access was enabled heh[02:22:44] <Spencer_tt> xyyz: so you don't run pf in vm do you :)[02:22:44] <xyyz> now only if i could figure out how to change the default window manager in OBSD ;/[02:22:45] <brandini> Andys^: yeah, the scheduler and stuff too... but work is being done... I know this cause I'm hell-ping[02:23:02] <brandini> xyyz: pretty easy[02:23:19] <brandini> xyyz: your .xsession or .xinitrc depending on if you're using xdm[02:23:21] <xyyz> spencer.... does a test enviroment count?[02:23:35] <xyyz> have it point to the other VM right?[02:23:36] <brandini> xyyz: and then put in your favorite exec fluxbox[02:23:40] <ElllisD> how do i update 2009.06 to the latest build?[02:23:42] <xyyz> i could've sworn i did that[02:23:48] <Triskelios> smrt: explain dev repository[02:23:49] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[02:23:49] <Spencer_tt> sure does, I don't know how many test count to those that don't use them[02:23:52] <xyyz> but i still got that ugly tvm or whatever the call it[02:24:02] <brandini> xyyz: you using xdm?[02:24:14] <ElllisD> ty[02:24:18] <xyyz> is that the standard WM for obsd?[02:24:30] *** held has joined #opensolaris[02:24:31] <Spencer_tt> is it icewm[02:24:33] <zedrich> xyyz: try enlightenment its a little more snazzy than twm[02:24:36] <brandini> xyyz: no, xdm is the display manager... does X start when your machine does?[02:24:48] <xyyz> yes, x starts when i boot the machine[02:24:54] <Triskelios> I didn't think X was standard for OpenBSD ;P[02:25:11] <xyyz> i'll give enlightnment a try... i don't need something too fancy... just something that's not the default manager[02:25:17] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[02:25:19] <brandini> ok, so just symlink .xinitrc to .xsession and install your favorite wm[02:25:21] <xyyz> which is 3 shades past ugly[02:25:24] <brandini> just like any other X setup :)[02:25:33] <xyyz> let's try that now then....[02:25:40] <Spencer_tt> xyyz: try awesome.naquadah.org/[02:25:41] <brandini> xyyz: pkg_add fluxbox[02:25:52] <brandini> Spencer_tt: finish your joke![02:25:56] <Spencer_tt> building something doesn't hurt :D[02:26:17] <brandini> LOL[02:26:25] <Spencer_tt> brandini: oh that one ;)[02:26:27] <xyyz> this is running off vm off a 3 year old macbook... so as long as it doesn't bog things down too much i'm golden[02:26:50] *** heldchen has quit IRC[02:27:05] <Spencer_tt> some people think I hacked my way into Uni - geez that really kills me[02:27:25] <jnss> how do you install solaris without gnome using the livecd[02:27:38] <Triskelios> jnss: Solaris or OpenSolaris?[02:27:46] <jnss> opensolaris Triskelios[02:27:52] *** ElllisD has left #opensolaris[02:28:06] <jnss> there aare no visible options to me[02:28:08] <Triskelios> jnss: use the text installer or AI CD. the regular live CD always installs a fixed set of packages[02:28:23] <jnss> Triskelios, oh, i have the ai. it hangs[02:28:55] <Triskelios> hangs?[02:29:30] <Spencer_tt> Triskelios: he can use a text installer? it's not the same as a ai iso is it[02:29:39] <jnss> it never get's[02:29:50] <Triskelios> Spencer_tt: different CD image[02:29:54] <jnss> it won't boot, basically[02:30:03] <Spencer_tt> jnss: which cd image[02:30:17] <xyyz> woot.... addin' the package now[02:30:27] <jnss> what, image? it's the ai cd[02:30:31] <Spencer_tt> xyyz: awesome :o ?[02:30:34] <Triskelios> jnss: which version?[02:30:44] <xyyz> the fact that it's installing gives me great pleasure so far....[02:30:51] <gavino> http://pastie.org/908555 ok upgrade finished heh[02:30:52] <xyyz> okay installed[02:30:55] <xyyz> let's see[02:30:57] <gavino> what do you gents think of this?[02:31:18] <Spencer_tt> jnss: is it 134, 129, 133, 111[02:31:24] <Spencer_tt> or another[02:31:24] <xyyz> alright!!!! startx popped up "no screens found"[02:31:31] <gavino> su - user[02:31:35] <gavino> dont startx as root![02:31:39] <gavino> ;)[02:31:41] <brandini> LOL[02:31:41] <Spencer_tt> xyyz: you need to talk to x[02:31:42] <jnss> osol-0906-ai-x86.iso[02:31:45] <jnss> that's the one[02:31:47] <Triskelios> jnss: the 2009.06 AI is not a bootable CD, it's for a network install only[02:31:59] <xyyz> okay... is it becuase i started it as root...[02:32:02] <Triskelios> jnss: you need the current AI image if you want to boot from it[02:32:07] <brandini> xyyz: if you're root do xdm and then login[02:32:14] <jnss> Triskelios, alright ;)[02:33:25] <gavino> whats an asy driver?[02:33:34] <gavino> http://pastie.org/908555[02:33:42] <Triskelios> gavino: man asy[02:33:53] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[02:34:28] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[02:34:31] <gavino> oh serial[02:34:32] <xyyz> hmmm[02:34:33] <gavino> hm[02:34:40] <brandini> cereal?[02:34:40] <xyyz> alright... started xdm as root[02:34:46] <xyyz> then logged on as my account[02:34:53] <xyyz> and then ran startx[02:34:55] <gavino> asy - asynchronous serial port driver[02:34:58] <xyyz> same error[02:35:01] <xyyz> no screens found[02:35:17] <gavino> did you put an .xinitrc in your users homedir?[02:35:27] <gavino> and put 'exec some-wm' in it?[02:35:44] <xyyz> i thought it created it on it's own... when you run it for the first time no?[02:35:50] <Spencer_tt> you need to configure X's conf file and make sure your screen is picked up hey[02:36:17] <alanc> X server configuration files are so last decade[02:36:25] <brandini> agreed[02:36:28] <xyyz> hmmm the faq tells me to add something....[02:36:31] <xyyz> lemme add that first[02:36:43] <Spencer_tt> someone is on BSD[02:36:49] <xyyz> Set machdep.allowaperture=2 in /etc/sysctl.conf. X on amd64 often auto-configures very successfully, so no further configuration is needed in many cases. If further configuration is needed, use the X -configure process below.[02:37:32] <alanc> clearly I've not been paying attention or wandered into the wrong channel...[02:37:36] <Triskelios> yeah, could you guys talk about openbsd somewhere else? ;P[02:37:39] <cfs> yes.[02:37:39] <Spencer_tt> :)[02:37:51] <alanc> in any case, Xorg autoconfiguration is standard on all platforms, on all releases of Xorg[02:37:57] <xyyz> ouch[02:37:58] <gavino> lol[02:38:04] <gavino> openbsd != opensolaris[02:38:07] <xyyz> just waiting for someone to say that....[02:38:07] <gavino> lol[02:38:10] <alanc> it's better in later versions, but if you have a X server named Xorg, it can run without xorg.conf[02:38:19] <Spencer_tt> alanc: am I allowed to use OpenSolaris on a laptop with many cpu cores - many as in >2 cores[02:38:19] <gavino> rebooting ![02:38:21] <gavino> oow yeah!![02:38:23] <gavino> uh[02:38:32] <gavino> will it pick the newest boot env?[02:38:33] <alanc> Spencer_tt: why wouldn't you be?[02:38:36] <gavino> upon reboot?[02:38:43] <gavino> or ami guna haveta goto the server room[02:38:44] <gavino> ?[02:38:46] <Triskelios> Spencer_tt: no, you have to give each of us $1 before we let you[02:38:47] <gavino> lol[02:38:50] <alanc> and if you weren't, why would my permission matter?[02:38:58] <Spencer_tt> alanc: I read something that I forgot instantly[02:39:00] <gavino> opensolaris is FREE[02:39:03] <Spencer_tt> never mind ;)[02:39:03] *** rcsheets has quit IRC[02:39:06] <brandini> gavino: take a look at your boot environments to see what's set as active[02:39:09] <gavino> bam!![02:39:13] <gavino> uh[02:39:16] <xyyz> alright, here's another question[02:39:18] <gavino> I hit reboot in me terminal[02:39:22] <gavino> here at my desk[02:39:24] <gavino> ;)[02:39:26] <brandini> LOL[02:39:30] <gavino> don't wana go server room![02:39:31] <Spencer_tt> Triskelios: how many dollars[02:39:31] <gavino> lol[02:39:34] <xyyz> is there a setting in VirtualBox that lets you run VM on system start[02:39:38] <gavino> <---one lazy sack of shit[02:39:38] <xyyz> or do you need to script it?[02:40:12] * brandini moseys away[02:40:14] *** held has quit IRC[02:41:08] <Spencer_tt> Triskelios: this will have to do for the sake of chat http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/3bill.jpg[02:41:21] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[02:43:05] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[02:43:17] * Spencer_tt returns to #build[02:44:50] *** wdp has quit IRC[02:45:35] *** held has joined #opensolaris[02:47:23] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[02:49:20] <JDuke128> WEBGL will be supported on JSF natively ?[02:50:08] *** held has quit IRC[02:52:30] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[02:53:41] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[02:54:19] *** held has joined #opensolaris[02:55:05] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[02:56:07] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[02:59:03] <gavino> upgrade woulnt boot[02:59:09] <gavino> x would start then box reboot[02:59:14] <gavino> booted into 2009.06[02:59:15] <gavino> whew[02:59:20] <gavino> glad has backup[02:59:20] <gavino> lol[02:59:25] <eviljames> hooray for BE[02:59:26] <gavino> CHAOS1[03:01:20] <gavino> lol[03:02:06] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[03:02:16] <gavino> suckage[03:02:34] <gavino> http://pastie.org/908555 maybe one of these was important[03:03:40] *** Mdx4 has left #opensolaris[03:04:45] <gavino> damn[03:04:46] <gavino> lol[03:04:49] <gavino> FAIL[03:04:52] <gavino> hm[03:06:22] <comay> gavino did you read the release notes?[03:06:57] <gavino> I looksed at them but they are copious[03:07:25] <gavino> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-March/017650.html there was also no error, the box trys to start gnome and reboots[03:07:30] <gavino> :)[03:07:46] <Spencer_tt> has anyone tried a OpenSolaris 09.06 Jeos inside vbox with success[03:07:53] <[lewellyn]> Spencer_tt: it won't work.[03:07:54] <brandini> yeah, vbox has come a long way... does it have any HA features?[03:07:58] <[lewellyn]> well it will[03:08:02] <[lewellyn]> you don't want to do it though :D[03:08:10] <Spencer_tt> [lewellyn]: why :)[03:08:15] <gavino> ah the drivers aliases[03:08:17] <gavino> is probly it[03:08:38] <[lewellyn]> Spencer_tt: the JeOS images are on the SCSI controller. there seems to be an issue with the combination of that scsi controller and opensolaris.[03:08:56] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[03:09:18] <Spencer_tt> so SATA!=scsi which means I should expect a couple of issues along the way[03:09:44] <[lewellyn]> you should expect 50% cpu usage while idle, even with the guest additions, and very slow disk access[03:09:47] <devians[w]> hrm. 3rd checksum error on scrub. iostat -En reports every drive in this array has atleast 3 hard errors and atleast 30 transport errors. I think these drives are no good for raid[03:10:10] <gavino> Work-around: These messages can be ignored.[03:10:11] <gavino> lol[03:10:25] <Spencer_tt> even on a fairly fast system?[03:10:34] <Spencer_tt> speed is a must.[03:10:39] <devians[w]> the question is, how do i migrate these drives out and new ones in easily. i suppose im going to have to replace each device and rebuild... :S[03:10:45] *** comay has quit IRC[03:10:55] <[lewellyn]> yes. i gave my VM 3 cores and it started using 50-75% of each of the three[03:11:07] <Spencer_tt> ouch[03:11:16] <[lewellyn]> in theory, you could boot failsafe or something and stick it on the sata bus[03:11:28] <[lewellyn]> i gave up. i'll just use hyper-v ;)[03:11:41] <gavino> ok[03:11:51] <gavino> so how can I troubleshoot my new boot environment?[03:11:53] <gavino> :)[03:12:02] <gavino> it tries to start gnome and barfs[03:12:07] <[lewellyn]> gavino: first, read the release notes. comay writes them for a reason[03:12:08] <Spencer_tt> so a Xless install should work better, no?[03:12:14] <gavino> I did upgrade from vanilla i386 2009.06[03:12:17] <gavino> usign dev repo[03:12:21] <[lewellyn]> Spencer_tt: that's not the problem. the problem is the emulated scsi[03:12:25] <gavino> Im reading thur[03:12:34] <gavino> the errors i got have workaround: these can be ignored[03:12:37] <[lewellyn]> Spencer_tt: at least that's the first problem[03:12:43] <gavino> :)[03:12:49] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[03:13:08] <gavino> system tries to boot and blue splash page opens then box reboots[03:13:13] <[lewellyn]> gavino: so ignore them and move onto the other things. it's a long document. sit there and read it. there's no need to comment on it the whole time.[03:13:15] <Spencer_tt> gosh getting another baby is painful[03:13:36] <gavino> ok but I am past all my errors and me new boot environemnt no worky[03:13:39] <[lewellyn]> Spencer_tt: JeOS + Hyper-V has served me very well[03:13:53] <[lewellyn]> gavino: not everything in the release note is an error that's printed on screen :P[03:14:28] <gavino> is the booting of another environment logged somewhere I can see from 2009.06 environment?[03:15:09] <Spencer_tt> what do you use it for[03:15:43] <[lewellyn]> Spencer_tt: i mostly use it for web hosting :)[03:15:50] <Spencer_tt> hmm[03:15:52] <[lewellyn]> i have a virtualmin vm up for testing. it seems to run well[03:16:07] <Spencer_tt> it won't hurt to try[03:16:14] <Spencer_tt> yet :)[03:16:15] <[lewellyn]> i may be trying virtualmin + cloudmin soon, with opensolaris, under hyper-v[03:16:58] <Spencer_tt> let me guess you have dedicated machine/rack for that[03:17:05] <[lewellyn]> actually, not yet.[03:17:33] <Spencer_tt> is that running on the same hardware smrt is running on[03:17:34] <[lewellyn]> i've been stealing excess capacity from windows servers, since hyper-v lets you treat it all as if it's on the same machine :)[03:17:38] <[lewellyn]> no[03:17:54] <[lewellyn]> i don't have any hyper-v-enabled windows skus on my network right now[03:17:55] <Spencer_tt> nice[03:18:01] <[lewellyn]> and smrt runs on sparc ;)[03:18:54] <Spencer_tt> sparc is where the magic is ;)[03:19:16] <[lewellyn]> sparc doesn't run windows :)[03:19:21] <Spencer_tt> just because it's opensource tech doesn't mean I can help right :D[03:19:40] <[lewellyn]> and closed source doesn't mean one can't contribute[03:19:55] <Spencer_tt> yeah tell me about it ;)[03:21:36] <Spencer_tt> I can't find OpenSolaris on http://src.opensolaris.org/source/ :p[03:22:07] <[lewellyn]> that IS opensolaris :P[03:22:30] <sstallion> didn't NT4 have a SPARC port at one time?[03:22:44] <sstallion> I might be thinking of MIPS[03:22:46] <alanc> I believe it booted but never shipped as a product[03:22:50] <alanc> MIPS shipped[03:22:55] <[lewellyn]> possibly. back then, they were porting to everything under the sun[03:23:09] <alanc> as did Alpha & PPC ports of NT (3.51 I think)[03:23:40] <[lewellyn]> ppc nt ran very nicely. but alpha was more interesting (and better-adopted)[03:23:52] <Spencer_tt> did xenix run on sparc[03:23:58] <[lewellyn]> no[03:24:05] <[lewellyn]> afaik[03:24:36] <sstallion> xenix predated SPARC by quite a bit I think[03:24:37] <Spencer_tt> there's a few people still making alpha hardware out there no doubt[03:24:54] <alanc> yeah, I thought Xenix was 286 only[03:25:01] <sstallion> alanc: same here[03:25:33] <[lewellyn]> i think xenix jumped to 386 before it lost that name[03:25:42] <[lewellyn]> i bet the internet knows![03:25:49] <gavino> read release notes[03:25:51] <[lewellyn]> smrt: lmgtfy xenix 386[03:25:53] <smrt> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xenix+386[03:25:54] * sstallion thinks some questions are better left unasked.[03:25:54] * [lewellyn] looks[03:26:18] * [lewellyn] should add a .bing to smrt too[03:26:19] <ottom> Xenix ran on PDP11[03:26:26] <gavino> not sure why new environ won't boot, is there a log I can get to from 2009.06 ? or do I have to mount the new environment adn check thigns there?[03:26:33] <Spencer_tt> of wikipedia Xenix Latest stable release 2.3.4 / 1989[03:26:35] <ottom> also on 68xxx[03:26:37] <[lewellyn]> SCO XENIX 386 supported at most 16 MB of RAM and, due to cpu-based timing loops in the SCSI driver, systems no faster than a 50 MHz 486.[03:26:57] <sstallion> haha[03:27:05] <sstallion> read: "unresolved race conditions"[03:27:06] <[lewellyn]> ottom: we're asking the other direction[03:27:09] <Spencer_tt> no wonder why it didn't survive.[03:27:24] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: first thing i thought of was the turbo pascal 200 runtime error ;)[03:27:42] <richlowe> (presumably) xenix lives on in bits of usr/src/cmd[03:28:55] <sstallion> richlowe: I would have expected usr/src/cmd to be AT&T derived[03:29:01] <[lewellyn]> and in microsoft's SUA :)[03:29:09] <ottom> [lewellyn] which direction? What it was ported to most recently?[03:29:09] <Spencer_tt> and MS is killing that thing off hopefully in a few decades time - good riddance pfft[03:29:11] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: xenix was SysV[03:29:22] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: SysV derived[03:29:23] <[lewellyn]> ottom: xenix itself made it to the 386[03:29:24] <richlowe> sstallion: so was xenix :)[03:29:49] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: so you're saying the code exchange was one-way? ;)[03:29:57] <sstallion> richlowe: sure, but I doubt anything in cmd is derived from Xenix[03:30:08] <jbk> well a few things do have microsoft's copyright on them[03:30:09] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: in this case, probably.[03:30:10] <jbk> in there[03:30:18] <richlowe> sstallion: that was the (probably), it's certainly MS in the late 80's, as they carry that copyright[03:30:18] <sstallion> jbk: oh?[03:30:26] <jbk> one of the greps[03:30:31] <sstallion> jbk: ahh interesting[03:30:37] <richlowe> mostly boring stuff.[03:30:49] <sstallion> I had always thought Xenix was a poor man's port to PC hardware[03:30:53] <richlowe> so tiny bits of possibly-xenix run on sparc :)[03:31:01] <sstallion> a 286 doesnt really stack up to much ;)[03:31:02] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[03:31:59] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: remember that xenix became sco opendesktop became openserver became unixware[03:33:21] <[lewellyn]> and history seems to indicate that xenix contributed to SVR2, which appears to be the first release it was synced with[03:33:39] <[lewellyn]> i can't imagine that it was one-way for all those years[03:33:45] <sstallion> probably true[03:33:52] * sstallion shrugs.[03:34:17] <[lewellyn]> especially since there was apparently a huge contribution from sco into SVR3.2 from xenix[03:34:24] * sstallion thinks [lewellyn] is turning into a ms-champion[03:34:30] * nachox bows[03:34:48] * Spencer_tt smiles a Eeeevil grin[03:35:19] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: it was sco by then[03:35:33] <Spencer_tt> ofcourse I broke the Queen's English for theatrical purposes.[03:35:34] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: *nod*[03:35:39] <gavino> hello[03:35:44] <[lewellyn]> microsoft doesn't seem to have cared about sysv ;)[03:35:46] <gavino> can I ask for tiny bit of help[03:35:52] <Spencer_tt> hi gavino[03:35:53] <gavino> with my boot environment?[03:36:08] <Spencer_tt> shoot.[03:36:16] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: I wouldn't have expected MS copyrights to carry forward[03:36:20] <gavino> opensolaris-1 boots, starts blue splash, then reboots[03:36:32] <gavino> I upgraded from 2009.06 i386[03:36:44] <Spencer_tt> to?[03:37:27] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: any word on the MS front?[03:37:32] <nachox> now that oracle charges for solaris 10, we also want our share for opensolaris, so if you need help debugging, cough up.. err, i mean, remove the console=graphics part of the $kernel line in grub[03:37:47] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: heh. i msged your other nick.[03:38:05] <[lewellyn]> yes. there are more microsofties on the cc list, and they're for it :)[03:38:21] <[lewellyn]> Today there are no official specifications for the interfaces yet. It is one of the reasons that some of the code we released in the latest 2.1.2 release in dual license mode. Specifically the parts that interact directly with Hyper-V itself (the messaging etc)[03:38:25] <[lewellyn]> We did this for a very important reason, one that you I think have already figured out. Namely, allowing other people to use that code as example code to implement their own interfaces for their OS's with.[03:38:35] <[lewellyn]> that's the most important part of the email imo :)[03:39:15] <gavino> http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/correctly_setting_up_the_development did this then this pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v[03:39:24] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain dev repository[03:39:25] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[03:39:52] <[lewellyn]> gavino: disable the happy boot and boot with -kv[03:40:18] <gavino> when do i ussue that?[03:40:21] <gavino> issue[03:40:28] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain fancy boot[03:40:29] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about fancy boot...[03:40:34] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain happy face boot[03:40:35] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about happy face boot...[03:40:37] <[lewellyn]> bah[03:40:39] <gavino> When the box comes up I think it goes to gui menu[03:40:41] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[03:40:43] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain disable fancy boot[03:40:44] <smrt> The "Happy Face" boot can be disabled by editing your grub configuration file (/rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst). Just remove the ,console=graphics from the kernel$ line, and delete the splashimage, foreground, and background lines from the file. To disable temporarily, see http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4762#c1[03:40:47] <Spencer_tt> smrt: explain nasty boot[03:40:47] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about nasty boot...[03:40:51] <Spencer_tt> :|[03:40:56] <[lewellyn]> add -kv to the kernel$ line[03:45:10] <Spencer_tt> will OpenSolaris be the first Unix OS to get rid of constant updatedb commands[03:46:16] <gavino> thank you lewellyn[03:46:22] <gavino> [rebooting][03:46:48] <zazenrasta> gavino: boot old be and then edit /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst --> opensolaris-1 ---> remove 'splashimage' line and remove 'console=graphics' from kernel$ line[03:46:51] <gavino> archlinux has a mlocate where the thing did incremental updates, mapped to slocate[03:47:02] <gavino> done[03:47:04] <gavino> rebooting[03:47:08] <gavino> I also aded -kv[03:47:18] <gavino> and commented foreground and background[03:47:42] <[lewellyn]> Spencer_tt: it depends on whether you even have locate ;)[03:48:19] <gavino> bugger its not coming back[03:48:19] <Spencer_tt> well I locate or slocate all the time.[03:48:25] <gavino> mlocate[03:48:45] <[lewellyn]> gavino: this isn't linux. there is no mlocate[03:50:11] <Spencer_tt> updatedb/update_db gets annoying at times :p[03:50:36] *** Disorganized_ has joined #opensolaris[03:52:39] <gavino> pci_autoconfig is the problem[03:52:43] <gavino> [reopens release notes][03:53:59] *** Disorganized_ has quit IRC[03:55:44] <gavino> 6914346 bam[03:55:46] <gavino> ok[03:55:48] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[03:55:51] <gavino> there is hope1[03:57:46] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[04:01:01] *** kazoo has joined #opensolaris[04:04:34] *** gm152 has quit IRC[04:06:20] *** jthunder has quit IRC[04:06:22] <gavino> ok nice usb mouse not work with dell 1750 running opensol so back at desk ran fix, now rebooting[04:06:25] <gavino> fingers crossed![04:08:09] <gavino> # pfexec bootadm update-archive -F -R /mnt[04:08:09] <gavino> updating /mnt//platform/i86pc/boot_archive[04:08:09] <gavino> updating /mnt//platform/i86pc/amd64/boot_archive[04:08:18] <gavino> this doesn't look good, cmon opensol reboot![04:08:28] <[lewellyn]> this channel isn't a pastebin :P[04:08:34] <[lewellyn]> and that command won't reboot the machine[04:08:35] <gavino> sorry[04:08:44] <gavino> oh I know[04:08:55] <gavino> ah its pingable but wont let me login as user[04:09:06] <kazoo> where do i go to edit my DNS file?[04:09:10] <gavino> or root[04:09:13] <gavino> /etc/hosts[04:09:22] <[lewellyn]> kazoo: there's /etc/hosts, but that's not dns[04:09:45] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: do you have a linux Hyper-V guest with this crap installed?[04:10:23] <kazoo> well i'm running it off of VMWare and i tried bridged and the people in vmware telling me i need to edit my DNS file so i can run bridged.[04:10:30] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: no. and i don't have any hyper-v-capable windows servers on-site, so it's gotta wait for my next hardware purchase[04:11:00] <kazoo> hmm[04:11:10] <sstallion> gotcha[04:11:42] * sstallion mutters something about getting engineers hot and bothered...[04:11:43] <zazenrasta> kazoo: /etc/resolv.conf[04:11:46] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: i have a bit of the old guard's mindset in that i install skus which match the features i intend to actually use :P[04:12:32] <Spencer_tt> sstallion: I can get them hot and bothered if they are the right gender and age, all I need is a DB :p[04:12:36] <[lewellyn]> i'm hoping to place an order for new hardware tomorrow. that'll allow me to have a (wimpy-but-adequate) machine up this weekend.[04:13:20] <Spencer_tt> hmm age is a discriminatory variable.[04:13:35] <kazoo> will i need to reboot?[04:13:56] <[lewellyn]> kazoo: how is your networking configured?[04:14:01] <[lewellyn]> are you using the opensolaris defaults?[04:14:13] <[lewellyn]> or did you go and manually configure it?[04:14:14] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: no worries. I need to get back to efe anyway[04:14:18] *** kukhuvud has quit IRC[04:14:40] <kazoo> i think there the defaults[04:14:48] <kazoo> i never touched anything.[04:14:49] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: considering i didn't even know about this stuff a week ago, i'm trying to move as fast as my budgets allow ;)[04:15:07] <[lewellyn]> kazoo: so in the gui, select the proper network interface from the menu near the clock[04:15:38] <[lewellyn]> though, in bridged mode, it should pick up your dhcp server just fine[04:15:42] <kazoo> nope still got errors.[04:15:53] <[lewellyn]> you never said anything about errors[04:16:00] <kazoo> :/[04:16:12] <kazoo> it can't find my DHCP server :([04:16:13] <[lewellyn]> we're not in front of your screen :/[04:16:23] <[lewellyn]> that sounds like a vmware configuration issue[04:16:43] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[04:16:47] <[lewellyn]> is this workstation, esx, something else?[04:16:50] <kazoo> ...[04:16:53] <kazoo> jesus[04:17:02] <kazoo> i will stick with NAT[04:17:03] <kazoo> then[04:17:25] <gavino> for the ICE bug[04:17:35] <gavino> can I fix it in the orig boot environment?[04:17:48] <[lewellyn]> gavino: don't see why not. though you can fix it after logging in, too[04:17:50] <gavino> or mus tI let it boot and then fix it by clicking cancel on dialogs[04:18:02] <gavino> so I can fix in orig boot env?[04:18:04] <[lewellyn]> you may or may not even be affected by it[04:18:08] <gavino> I am[04:18:09] <[lewellyn]> i think i've only seen it once[04:18:13] <gavino> its onyl thing wakking me now[04:18:14] *** dtech has joined #opensolaris[04:18:17] <[lewellyn]> so click cancel a few times, then fix it[04:18:23] <[lewellyn]> it's faster than a few reboots[04:18:28] <gavino> but I rebooted back to orig boot env and now am back at desk with fix from web page[04:18:41] <gavino> I am in orig boot env not new[04:18:47] <gavino> should i run the fix and then reboot?[04:18:55] <gavino> I dont have to be in new boot env right?[04:19:42] <gavino> ?[04:20:15] <gavino> crap ok to be sure leme reboot into new boot env and click cancel, I could get usb mouse to work ill try regular one[04:21:15] <gavino> ah screw it I ran it her ein org and rebooted[04:21:19] <gavino> [hopes for best][04:25:27] <gavino> hank@fatman:~$ uname -a[04:25:27] <gavino> SunOS fatman 5.11 snv_134 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris YES!! thanks lewell!!![04:26:15] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[04:34:55] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[04:47:03] *** winstonw has quit IRC[04:49:11] *** winstonw has joined #opensolaris[04:52:44] *** nickw has joined #opensolaris[04:54:30] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[05:00:34] <cmecca> anyone know why when i dd a drive from /dev/zero its saying 71gb copied.... when its a 750gb disk[05:02:29] <Spencer_tt> guessing - because you 71GB of data..[05:02:29] <Andys^> cmecca: try /dev/rdsk/ ?[05:03:11] <cmecca> *shrug* ok i did 2 other 750's from /dev/dsk and ir worked...[05:03:15] <cmecca> just this one is giving 71[05:03:25] *** lateau has quit IRC[05:03:50] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[05:07:03] <Spencer_tt> does anyone here know what this is https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B6Wk8M7PeQ7BMDllNmQxMjMtM2M0Zi00YTM4LTk5MTQtODlkMzIxOWM3ZDA0&hl=en_GB[05:09:34] <[lewellyn]> my lynx doesn't have https support, sorry[05:09:55] <[lewellyn]> and http yells that my browser is unsupported[05:10:00] <sstallion> links > lynx[05:10:15] <Spencer_tt> sstallion: I agree[05:10:31] <Spencer_tt> [lewellyn]: ha no worries, it means no ;)[05:10:32] * sstallion goes back to nosing around.[05:10:44] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: does that url open fine for you without bitching, in links?[05:11:12] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: I don't use links :P[05:11:22] <[lewellyn]> then bah at your suggestion[05:11:57] <sstallion> I was simply being a good IRC'izen and subjecting my own value judgments on those that are unfortunate enough to be awake ;)[05:12:07] <sstallion> s/subjecting/asserting/[05:12:11] * sstallion should go to bed.[05:12:45] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: there is a fair bit of procfs crap thats in here btw[05:12:46] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: i did so by actually trying to visit the url in the browser i mentioned ;)[05:13:02] <sstallion> thats about as portable as a brick.[05:13:02] <[lewellyn]> yeah. it sounds like they still have more cleanup they want to do[05:13:17] <[lewellyn]> so this may be useful to everyone, in the end[05:13:30] * sstallion wonders why hes still looking at it :P[05:13:32] <[lewellyn]> and don't poke at it too much yet. i've not emailed driver-discuss ;)[05:16:01] *** yippi has quit IRC[05:20:51] <jmcp> Spencer_tt: it looks to me like an orchid, but I don't know[05:20:55] * sstallion sighs.[05:20:57] <jmcp> also, seems a bit over exposed[05:21:09] <sstallion> gdamore: around?[05:21:49] *** Aria has left #opensolaris[05:22:10] <jbk> a shrubbery![05:22:22] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[05:22:30] <jmcp> NI !![05:22:48] <sstallion> jbit: see the output of dladm show-linkprop lately?[05:22:53] <sstallion> jbk rather[05:23:00] <Spencer_tt> jmcp: glad you get the picture :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloriosa_(genus)[05:23:07] <jbk> no[05:23:23] <sstallion> jbk: looks like the some of the brussels 2 changes made their way in (sigh)[05:23:36] <sstallion> I really really really wish they would have put this crap into an ipadm[05:23:38] <jbk> i've almost got work updated to s10u8, and haven't messed much with the recent opensolaris releases since they're pretty much unusable for me[05:23:49] <jmcp> Spencer_tt: not an orchid at all then :)[05:24:07] <Spencer_tt> it a flame lilly :D[05:24:12] <Spencer_tt> it's* :)[05:24:43] <sstallion> or perhaps a macadm[05:25:09] <jbk> and being too busy w/ both bands, i really haven't bothered to try to figure out why firefox constantly freezes for 20-30seconds at a time[05:25:09] <sstallion> setting mac-nospoof/ip-nospoof doesn't apply to the datalink[05:25:31] <jbk> i must have missed the arc case for that[05:25:47] <jbk> but i'd be surprised if no one brought that up[05:25:57] <sstallion> same here - i complained during the initial review, but I was smacked down pretty quickly[05:26:05] <sstallion> so now dladm is bloated :/[05:27:17] <Spencer_tt> any way I'm tired because it's summer time and it's not really summer... yawm[05:27:26] <Spencer_tt> nn[05:27:29] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[05:28:02] <sstallion> jbk: I feel your pain - I'm attempting to get back into the swing of things myself.[05:28:09] <sstallion> I need to get efe done[05:29:02] <jbk> well i suspect the interfaces are such that they could be changed when/after ipadm is putback[05:29:24] <jbk> i mean, dladm had changed prior to this as well[05:29:28] <sstallion> true[05:29:30] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[05:29:41] <sstallion> dunno, dladm for a bit there was *perfect*[05:35:23] *** kazoo has quit IRC[05:39:49] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[05:41:03] *** nickw has quit IRC[05:42:07] *** nickw has joined #opensolaris[05:44:04] *** nickw has quit IRC[05:44:24] *** nickw has joined #opensolaris[05:44:43] *** Funk-E has joined #opensolaris[05:46:06] *** datadigger has quit IRC[05:47:42] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[05:48:44] <gdamore> sstallion: here now.[05:50:33] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[05:53:28] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[05:54:25] <sstallion> gdamore: just voicing some free-floating disappointment to some additions to dladm ;)[05:55:00] <gdamore> oh?[05:55:26] <sstallion> seems there have been a bunch of linkprop additions[05:55:40] <sstallion> makes me wish we had a macadm and left dladm to well... datalinks ;)[05:56:09] <CIA-21> Frank Van Der Linden <Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun dot COM>: 6941777 determine_platform needs to do a better job inside a Xen HVM guest[05:56:50] <gdamore> huh? whats the difference between "mac" and "datalink", at least in your mind?[05:57:09] <jmcp> first thought on seeing "macadm" is ... where's the tar?[05:57:40] <sstallion> bah s/macadm/ipadm/[05:57:56] <sstallion> I was looking at protection flags and slipped ;)[05:58:16] <sstallion> ip-nospoof makes no sense (to me) as a dladm link-prop[05:58:18] <gdamore> ipadm is coming....[05:58:42] <gdamore> ah, but ip-nospoof is really filtering done at the mac layer...[05:59:10] <sstallion> how so ?[05:59:26] <sstallion> seems that it would affect behavior in ip rather than mac[05:59:29] <gdamore> the filtering is applied *before* the packet is given to IP[05:59:37] <gdamore> IP won't even see it.[05:59:44] <gdamore> at least as I understand it.[05:59:50] <sstallion> ahh, on the recv side of things then[06:00:01] * sstallion was thinking of tx[06:00:26] <gdamore> i think so. but i need to go back and check the case work. in any event, there is a new ipadm coming.[06:00:44] * sstallion looks for something else to grouse about![06:01:16] * jmcp offers a pheasant[06:06:13] *** gm152 has quit IRC[06:06:30] <sstallion> gdamore: going back to efe - the dma engine doesnt seem to have any real limits, trying to figure out how many rx and tx buffers to allocate[06:06:35] <sstallion> Im thinking 128 each[06:06:56] <gdamore> dma engine will have at least a limit of 32-bit addresses... the device is not 64-bit capable. :-)[06:07:07] <sstallion> well... I figured that went without saying :P[06:07:17] <sstallion> but yes, it can address the entire 32 bit range[06:07:32] <gdamore> for 100 Mbps, about 64 to 128 packets is probably plenty. you could probably get away with 16 without noticing a difference.[06:08:17] <sstallion> 16 seems a bit low - especially if there is any jitter[06:08:23] <sstallion> but then again, its not like this is new hardware[06:08:44] <gdamore> i didn't suggest picking that value --- I just said it would probably work ok. I'd actually pick 64.[06:09:05] <sstallion> probably a good starting point[06:09:10] <gdamore> but that's just a "gut feeling" from experience with 100 Mbps, not really backed by any quantitative analysis[06:09:20] <sstallion> gut's good enough for me ;)[06:10:28] <sstallion> at the very least, the hardware should support linespeed - if maxq does any less, I can always tweak it[06:13:10] *** p3rror has quit IRC[06:13:24] <gdamore> i usually get close to, but not always exactly, line speed.[06:13:29] <gdamore> at 100 mbps[06:13:56] <sstallion> I figure +/- 5% or so should be fine[06:14:06] <sstallion> I want to say dnet would push about 97%[06:14:07] <gdamore> tcp overhead steals some, so I'm not sure ... typically I get near 90Mbps tcp thruput[06:14:27] <sstallion> this was MAXQ - which is UDP I believe[06:14:50] <gdamore> oh, right. i don't think maxq is the greatest test, but if works for you....[06:15:17] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[06:15:17] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[06:15:21] <sstallion> it does okay - the stats it spits out is a little helpful[06:15:34] <sstallion> ftp seems to be a pretty good indication as well[06:15:55] <gdamore> both are nice for ballparking, but not necessarily rigorous.[06:16:01] <sstallion> true enough[06:16:03] <gdamore> brb[06:17:33] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[06:20:29] <trochej> Coffee[06:20:33] <trochej> Lots[06:21:01] <taemun> Clooftfsee?[06:21:46] *** nickw has quit IRC[06:22:22] <trochej> Can do[06:22:39] <lblume> I want some.[06:22:52] *** nickw has joined #opensolaris[06:25:24] <trochej> Metwo[06:26:16] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC[06:28:05] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[06:32:59] <Triskelios> is there a reasonable way to determine the maximum interrupt number or interrupt vector on a system?[06:33:11] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[06:33:50] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[06:36:47] <lblume> Hm,mmm, is that what pcitool gives?[06:37:49] *** Atomdrache has joined #opensolaris[06:39:03] *** nachox has quit IRC[06:39:17] *** lateau has quit IRC[06:41:50] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[06:44:11] <Triskelios> lblume: oh, it does - actually APIC_MAX_VECTOR hardcoded to 255 on x86. thanks[06:44:28] <Triskelios> guess I won't need a hash table after all[06:46:07] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[06:46:54] *** sknight has joined #opensolaris[06:47:54] *** ant has quit IRC[06:49:44] *** sknight has left #opensolaris[07:02:58] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[07:09:05] *** relling has quit IRC[07:09:40] *** Funk-E has left #opensolaris[07:09:59] *** chendy has quit IRC[07:12:13] <trochej> Zombie mode on.[07:13:14] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:13:20] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:15:26] <jamesd2> damm i am spoiled.... its annoying that my zfs send to a file is only doing 25MB/s.. i remember when i was very happy to have a harddrive do 1MB/s[07:15:35] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[07:17:29] * [lewellyn] looks at the date[07:17:34] <[lewellyn]> trochej: easter was sunday[07:18:24] <Triskelios> lblume: actually, unclear if pcitool always returns a reasonable value for MSI...[07:22:31] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[07:22:46] <lblume> Can't tell you, it still a rather mysterious tool to me....[07:23:33] <Triskelios> also unclear if the MSI values matter to me ;)[07:24:12] <trochej> Kids are sick.[07:24:34] <lblume> Give them stronger coffee.[07:24:50] <trochej> I pulled all night watching over.[07:25:05] *** felipe_ has joined #opensolaris[07:25:18] <[lewellyn]> trochej: stick their medicine in their coffee for better absorbtion[07:27:57] <trochej> Actually it was pretty bad. around 39,4 C[07:30:32] <trochej> Difficult to get down[07:31:49] <trochej> And its still 30 minutes between me and my coffee[07:32:39] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[07:32:51] *** setheus has quit IRC[07:33:03] <[lewellyn]> your coffee takes too long :([07:34:32] *** setheus has joined #opensolaris[07:34:38] <trochej> I decided to skip one at home. Now it will take 30 mins to get to the room at work.[07:36:08] <[lewellyn]> ah[07:42:35] <devians[w]> hey guys, im getting small amounts of checksum errors on some disks. 2 so far after 2 scrubs. iostat -En is showing im getting hard errors, no device errors and transport errors. any ideas what could be going on?[07:42:56] *** xyyz has quit IRC[07:44:08] *** ozux has quit IRC[07:46:33] *** tsoome has quit IRC[07:48:15] <lblume> devians[w]: Failing disk, most likely. You might have some errors in dmesg.[07:48:30] <taemun> bit rot[07:48:38] <taemun> or memory failing[07:49:03] <devians[w]> lblume, im seeing errors across all 4 drives in the array. im more suspicious of the cable than anything else at this stage[07:49:21] <devians[w]> i'd say memory, but i have another raidz on another cable and its doing just fine.[07:50:07] <devians[w]> i'll check out dmesg[07:51:39] <devians[w]> hrm. theres a lot of messages from scsi[07:52:00] *** wrapster has quit IRC[07:52:08] <devians[w]> not really sure how to interpret whats coming out of dmesg other than that[07:53:18] <lblume> Read errors?[07:53:28] <lblume> You'd better check the cabling.[07:56:34] <Andys^> devians whats the setup? SATA port multipliers??[07:56:51] <RoyK> morning[07:58:14] *** Zauberpo1y has joined #opensolaris[08:00:41] *** Zauberpony has quit IRC[08:02:46] *** e1kg has joined #opensolaris[08:03:15] <devians[w]> Andys^, its a Supermicro AOC-USAS-L8i to a Chenbro CK12804. HBA SAS essentially[08:04:19] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[08:05:39] <Andys^> how did I guess :P[08:05:53] <Andys^> and you have SATA drives plugged in, right?[08:06:06] *** dunc has quit IRC[08:06:36] <madwizard> Aaaaahh[08:06:38] <madwizard> Coffee[08:09:10] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[08:10:44] *** tg has quit IRC[08:11:14] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[08:11:27] <taemun> devians[w]: its likely that the expander is to blame[08:11:30] <taemun> or some cabling, obviously[08:16:05] <Andys^> SATA disks aren't overly happy with SAS expanders[08:16:27] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:17:07] <devians[w]> Andys^, yep, sata drives. however i'd point out that there are 8 drives. 4 samsungs, no issues, 4 wd ears drives, known to have issues with raid, issues.[08:17:24] <Andys^> *nod*[08:17:34] <Andys^> try setting the WD drives to 1.5gbps and enable SSC (spread spectrum clocking) jumper[08:18:28] <devians[w]> willing to give it a crack, but why do you reccomend it?[08:18:39] <devians[w]> (not sure i have 8 jumpers lying around... hrm...)[08:19:27] <Andys^> because its a SAS expander, but SATA disks.. not entirely compatible[08:19:41] <Andys^> yeah... a pack of jumpers is very cheap though :)[08:20:12] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[08:20:28] <devians[w]> tempted to just replace the drives really[08:20:59] <Andys^> well, doing that mostly fixed the problem for me[08:22:12] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[08:22:14] <Andys^> also if there's new firmware available for the SAS expander, upgrade it[08:28:44] <devians[w]> theres no firmware for the sas expander. atleast that i could find[08:29:07] <devians[w]> it has a jumper to swap between 'old' and 'new' firmware, and it only works on the 'old' firmware. *shrug*[08:31:20] <madwizard> Coffee[08:31:31] <madwizard> I'm gonna breake the record today[08:35:41] <[lewellyn]> madwizard: the local convenience store has "bring your own cup" prices for coffee[08:35:41] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:35:53] *** Prasanna has joined #opensolaris[08:36:12] <[lewellyn]> < 32 oz, 32-64 oz, 64-128 oz, > 128 oz[08:36:14] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[08:36:23] <Prasanna> i cant able to install open solaris in my computer..[08:36:47] <causality> that is unfortunate[08:36:57] <[lewellyn]> Prasanna: that's not specific enough for anyone to do more than sympathize with you[08:39:22] <Macer> prenup powerup[08:41:42] *** Prasanna has left #opensolaris[08:43:20] <madwizard> [lewellyn]: Eh?[08:44:48] <[lewellyn]> madwizard: 128 US fluid ounces = 3.78541178 litres[08:44:54] *** milek has quit IRC[08:45:20] <[lewellyn]> so people apparently buy 4+ litres often enough that they have special pricing :P[08:45:28] <[lewellyn]> that's a LOT of coffee[08:45:34] <madwizard> Don't know. My mug takes about 400 ml. My record is... fuck... ten mugs?[08:45:51] <[lewellyn]> but you don't serve it all at once[08:46:02] <madwizard> Nope[08:46:07] <madwizard> One after another[08:46:22] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:46:25] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[08:46:26] <taemun> 128 oz coffee[08:46:26] <taemun> WTF[08:46:30] <[lewellyn]> i can't imagine 4 litres of coffee is easy enough to keep fresh to be able to drink it fast enough[08:46:47] <[lewellyn]> taemun: that's what the sign at the local 7-11 says[08:46:53] <taemun> 0.o[08:47:05] <[lewellyn]> for the americans who suck at conversions: 128 US fluid ounces = 1 US gallon[08:47:06] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:47:21] <taemun> cough wtb metric system[08:47:38] <madwizard> [lewellyn]: No, I just make a mug and when I get to 1/4 left I grind another part of beans[08:47:51] *** Bateau has quit IRC[08:48:05] <madwizard> Boil water[08:48:15] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[08:48:24] <madwizard> The moment water is ready, I already washed the mug[08:48:25] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[08:49:07] <madwizard> At previous site it was easier, since there was a coffee pot, here I have to grind beans manually[08:49:42] <[lewellyn]> taemun: what's wrong with 7 bits? ;)[08:49:54] <taemun> bits?[08:50:01] <[lewellyn]> 7 bits is 128[08:50:03] <taemun> 2^7 = 128 I presume?[08:50:03] <madwizard> [lewellyn]: It lacks Octarine[08:50:22] <[lewellyn]> madwizard: but i've started to become fond of the keuring machine i've been using[08:50:25] <[lewellyn]> i need one on my desk[08:50:28] <taemun> still wtb metric :P[08:50:33] <[lewellyn]> with a water feed[08:50:36] <devians[w]> madwizard, we have about 4k AUD of espresso setup. twice. :P[08:50:47] <madwizard> heh[08:50:54] *** plat- has quit IRC[08:50:57] <devians[w]> (theres one on each level of the office)[08:51:02] <madwizard> Just shut up and have a coffee[08:51:11] <devians[w]> thats a mazzer mini grinder and a giotto rocket espresso machine :P[08:51:33] <devians[w]> cafe quality coffee on demand ftw. (provided you dont suck at using the equipment, which most do)[08:52:17] *** melbogia has quit IRC[08:52:39] *** fedreric has joined #opensolaris[08:53:27] <madwizard> devians[w]: A what what what?[08:53:29] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[08:53:37] <[lewellyn]> i think i'll just get one of these soon: http://www.keurig.com/brevillebrewer.asp[08:53:40] <madwizard> I feel like a barbarian among you[08:53:48] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[08:54:21] <devians[w]> madwizard, this grinder : http://www.fivesensescoffee.com.au/product_pictures/0000/0553/MiniManual_X_large.jpg and this espresso machine: http://www.ecoffees.com.au/uploads/fotos/200811271050060.Giotto346-1.jpg[08:54:52] <madwizard> devians[w]: I. Hate. You.[08:54:55] <madwizard> I want them![08:55:27] <devians[w]> its pretty sweet. although the machine is kinda beat up from so many untrained people using it[08:55:48] <madwizard> I would light candles for it[08:55:53] <devians[w]> you pop the filter head and more often than not the puck left in it indicated the last cup of coffee tasted absolutely awful.[08:56:02] <madwizard> And would clean it with a cloth every two hours[08:56:03] <[lewellyn]> devians[w]: i plan on getting a la pavoni romantica soon[08:56:12] <[lewellyn]> http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/consumer/la_pavoni_romantica[08:56:16] <devians[w]> [lewellyn], is that one of the manual pull ones?[08:56:26] <devians[w]> ah it is[08:56:34] <[lewellyn]> yes. it's a beatiful machine which pulls perfect crema if you know how[08:56:34] <devians[w]> i've heard both good and bad about that system[08:56:47] <[lewellyn]> it's one of the more finicky la pavoni models[08:56:52] <devians[w]> its basically 'terrible until you get it right, then its oh so right'[08:57:28] <[lewellyn]> manual espresso machines make terrible shots till 1) you learn how; and, 2) the machine's been broken in a bit[08:57:34] <madwizard> Hey, civilized people, how one makes such nice milk?[08:57:36] <madwizard> http://www.gcfoodguide.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/coffee-boat.jpg[08:58:05] <devians[w]> madwizard, it depends on the machine, but its not hard once you understand what you're doing.[08:58:08] <[lewellyn]> madwizard: the pattern, or the foam?[08:58:17] <[lewellyn]> the foam is practice, the pattern is skill :)[08:58:58] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:59:35] <madwizard> [lewellyn]: Foam[08:59:39] <devians[w]> [lewellyn], i routinely pull the portafilter handle to find about 4g of coffee sludge in the filter, and see people doing all sorts of weird and wonderful things in order to get frothy milk. i think theres probably only 5 or 6 that could pull a decent coffee here out of 100 people or so[08:59:40] <madwizard> I have no machine[09:00:01] <madwizard> I have this:[09:00:02] <madwizard> http://images28.fotosik.pl/261/d7e1490e6b4c6ca6.jpg[09:00:43] <madwizard> And something like this:[09:00:45] <madwizard> http://www.bazarek.pl/produkt/0/558270/mlynek-do-kawy---sosna-duzy.html[09:01:01] <[lewellyn]> devians[w]: i once worked in a coffee shop. guess what i found the hardest thing to make was?[09:01:35] *** melbogia has quit IRC[09:01:51] <[lewellyn]> chocolate soy caps/lattes. getting GOOD foam out of tasty soy milk is hard. getting it when you've added chocolate is even worse.[09:01:51] <devians[w]> a no fat full cream 18oz latte with 1cm of foam, caramel and chocolate at exactly 180 degrees[09:02:09] <devians[w]> oh, something actually possible. yeah i can imagine so[09:02:19] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:02:20] <madwizard> Shit[09:02:23] <madwizard> Stop[09:02:24] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[09:02:24] <devians[w]> we have full cream and no fat milk here, the no fat milk makes shit foam[09:02:24] <madwizard> Please[09:02:26] <[lewellyn]> i used to be able to make foam you could set a coin on top of :)[09:02:56] <samc> gents .. anyone care to hazard a guess at what it would cost for a Sun support contract for security updates for Sol10 (and/or Opensolaris)[09:03:04] <devians[w]> (btw, word to the wise, no fat milk is a complete and utter ripoff ill have you know)[09:03:07] <[lewellyn]> there's a very decided trick to getting good foam out of soy. and it's impossible to explain :P[09:03:11] <samc> I know it's not quite appropriate for this channel but figure someone here might know ;)[09:03:25] <[lewellyn]> samc: we'll all know soon enough, i expect[09:03:26] <palowoda> Trying to buy Sun support is a hazard.[09:03:43] <[lewellyn]> in the mean time, pester your oracle sales rep and expect a "wait a week or two" response[09:03:57] <samc> heh, we don't really have an Oracle sales rep :)[09:04:19] <samc> we've got a bunch of Intel sun servers, but we're not big enough to have one person to call[09:04:19] <[lewellyn]> so wait a week or two. there, i just saved you a day of phone calls. where's my fee? ;)[09:04:31] <samc> haha :)[09:04:35] <samc> I'll owe you one? ;)[09:05:32] <palowoda> [lewellyn]: You just may have found a new business model.[09:05:35] <samc> Trying to push solaris and/or opensolaris for some new stuff we're putting in at work .. it's very much a linux shop, but for this Solaris feels like the best tool[09:06:43] <samc> but yeah, only being able to get security updates with a support contract is putting people off :s[09:10:22] <winstonw> :-)[09:10:46] <boos> hello[09:11:54] <[lewellyn]> samc: oracle's still integrating the businesses. give them time to get the new pricing up[09:13:11] <samc> yeah, true :)[09:13:13] *** help has joined #opensolaris[09:13:42] *** help is now known as Guest42494[09:14:20] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[09:14:39] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[09:14:55] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[09:15:52] *** Guest42494 has quit IRC[09:18:41] *** leito has quit IRC[09:19:57] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:20:17] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[09:20:17] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[09:20:32] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[09:21:07] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[09:22:14] <wdp_> mounting ext3 is possible in osol, yes?[09:22:52] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[09:24:41] *** ma3x_ has quit IRC[09:24:52] <madwizard> wdp_: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+ext3/[09:25:28] <wdp_> cool, ty.[09:26:28] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[09:27:20] <madwizard> Coffee[09:30:11] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[09:30:48] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[09:31:48] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:32:16] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:34:26] <nikolam> Uhh, damn this jdownloader java application.[09:35:06] <nikolam> I exited from it last night and java process were doing "something" at 100% cpu on one core, whole night...[09:38:36] <kaktus> maybe it have embeded seti client ;-)[09:41:57] <nikolam> kaktus, ha. ha. More like "i am in a look doing nothing" client.[09:42:05] <nikolam> loop[09:45:41] <nikolam> That %$&$ flash on web pages is separate issue. If I am not using noscript Plus_ flashblock, my cpu would die years ago..[09:47:17] *** Rune^ has joined #opensolaris[09:48:17] *** dorvan has joined #opensolaris[09:49:15] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[09:49:38] <dorvan> hi to all[09:49:50] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[09:51:36] *** fedreric has quit IRC[09:52:27] *** lattera has quit IRC[09:53:46] <madwizard> dorvan: hello[09:54:21] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[09:56:46] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[09:57:44] <dorvan> i have to clone an installed opensolaris from a pc to a server with a controller not supported with bundled drivers (hp compaq smart array) but i have installed the custom driver from hp support, so i think, now is bootable from other server... but i have to clone the disk, or zfs (and install grub) to other server...[09:58:58] *** eleusis has quit IRC[09:59:23] <dorvan> why not install driver from live cd of opensolaris? because is in readonly and driver show some errors during installation, and can't recognise the controller.[09:59:32] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[09:59:37] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[09:59:43] *** cervello has joined #opensolaris[09:59:54] <dorvan> and in opensolaris seem not exist the option, like solaris to add custom driver at boot.[10:01:00] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: stick rpool on a low-end controller. it won't hurt anything. :P[10:01:08] <[lewellyn]> in fact, it'll gain you performance, potentially[10:01:20] <smyth_rj> dorvan: I think the only way to do that atm in osol is using AI installer manifests[10:01:47] <dorvan> on that server i already have installed a solaris 10 with custom drivers, so, i have another zfs platform with the grub as solaris boot manager.[10:02:16] <dorvan> if i use that guide.... http://osholes.blogspot.com/2008/07/zfs-volume-copy-and-os-imaging-reborn.html[10:02:20] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: i think there are bugs regarding the compaq smart array.[10:02:41] <[lewellyn]> check bugs.opensolaris.org to see if there are workarounds other than "stick rpool on a different controller"[10:02:59] *** betchou has quit IRC[10:03:04] <dorvan> no.. the custom driver with both sol10 and sol11 are available on hp support. and are updated.[10:04:27] <smyth_rj> serious? I got a 5i and the only driver I could find was from like 2k7 or something[10:05:23] *** cervello has quit IRC[10:06:24] <dorvan> smyth, beacuse you go on no-more-supported product page, but compaq arrays are always compaq arrays, so hp whe update the product line upgrade the default cpqary driver, and link it only on mainstream product support pages.[10:06:54] *** eleusis has quit IRC[10:07:00] <dorvan> if you have a smart array you have to go on a mainstream product support page[10:07:12] <dorvan> like for example dl380 g6 servers[10:07:45] <dorvan> and you find the driver for solaris 10, where inside there is sol_10 and sol_11 drivers[10:07:52] <dorvan> 11 is opensolaris[10:07:57] <dorvan> as you know[10:08:30] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[10:08:46] *** twisti has quit IRC[10:09:25] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: afaik, the only supported route is to install with rpool on a different controller, then use cpqary for the data[10:09:37] <[lewellyn]> that's why i suggested looking in the bug database, to see if i'm mistaken[10:09:59] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:10:41] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[10:11:19] <dorvan> lewellyn: ok, but in a possible scenario, which are the steps to clone and succesfully boot an opensolaris accross different machines?[10:11:26] <[lewellyn]> you don't[10:11:41] <dorvan> why?[10:11:46] <[lewellyn]> well, you could, in theory, with some cleanup with the livecd[10:11:54] <[lewellyn]> because the boot archive will break[10:12:00] <[lewellyn]> and there's no failsafe anymore[10:12:16] *** FireflyST has joined #opensolaris[10:12:20] <dorvan> but only for boot manager paths?[10:13:12] <[lewellyn]> i don't know the details. i just know that the boot archive gets unhappy, and you end up in a reboot loop[10:13:18] <dorvan> or the used device have to be the same...[10:13:40] *** eleusis has quit IRC[10:13:41] <[lewellyn]> my solution was to use sxce. now it's to reinstall[10:14:31] <lblume> Yes, it appears to be awfully difficult to move a boot disk those days :-/[10:14:38] *** ubiquitous1980 has joined #opensolaris[10:14:58] *** ubiquitous1980 has quit IRC[10:15:02] <dorvan> ok... but i like to understand why... not to contrasting with you, but because i like understand and try... in logic...[10:15:29] <dorvan> solaris and opensolaris are both os thi monolithic kernel[10:15:31] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[10:15:32] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[10:15:37] <lblume> Because the hardware location path is saved in many places that are difficult to reach.[10:15:51] <dorvan> and drivers will be loaded on kernel load[10:15:54] <lblume> And I have no idea what you mean by "monolithic kernel"[10:16:14] *** cervello has joined #opensolaris[10:16:19] <dorvan> is a kernel type[10:16:42] <lblume> Yes, I know what it is, just not what it has to do with your question.[10:16:51] *** cervello has quit IRC[10:17:14] <smyth_rj> monolithic kernel is typically what windows is called[10:17:28] <dorvan> ??? windows??[10:17:40] <dorvan> windows, solaris, macos, freebsd[10:17:41] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:17:44] <dorvan> linux[10:17:51] <smyth_rj> this is unix, i was under the impression theres lots a little bits doing things instead of one big(ie monolithic) hunk[10:17:53] <dorvan> a looooong list[10:18:13] <dorvan> not "big" monolithic[10:18:30] <lblume> "monolithic" is as relevant to modern OS's as CISC/RISC is to modern CPUs.[10:18:59] <dorvan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_kernel[10:19:15] <dorvan> for any question...[10:19:17] <smyth_rj> yeah, just reading that. interesting[10:19:48] <[lewellyn]> smyth_rj: windows isn't a monolithic kernel[10:20:06] *** ma3x__ is now known as ma3x[10:20:08] <dorvan> windows, solaris, linux, macos are.... are modified monolithic kernel oses[10:20:13] <smyth_rj> its on the list on that site, there pretty much all there though!>[10:20:22] <[lewellyn]> no. osx is a microkernel[10:20:25] <smyth_rj> reference?[10:20:28] <dorvan> linux with modules... exactly...[10:20:43] <[lewellyn]> Darwin caterpillar.local 10.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.2.0: Tue Nov 3 10:37:10 PST 2009; root:xnu-1486.2.11~1/RELEASE_I386 i386[10:20:55] <[lewellyn]> smrt: lmgtfy xnu microkernel[10:20:56] <smrt> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xnu+microkernel[10:21:03] <dorvan> so charge drivers outside the kernel[10:21:15] <[lewellyn]> (hint, mach)[10:21:36] <smyth_rj> lol, i had only heard of that till now[10:21:43] <dorvan> smrt, but is a not treu microkernel, "mach" kernel was a microkernel, not today.[10:22:25] <dorvan> not today in macos...[10:22:28] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: there are no truly "micro" nor "monolithic" kernels anymore[10:22:40] <[lewellyn]> well, not in common use[10:22:47] <dorvan> not true..[10:23:05] <dorvan> linux with modules what is it?[10:23:14] <dorvan> nt kernel what is it?[10:23:20] * smyth_rj is in awe of the low-level-ness of this[10:23:25] <\amethyst> Linux I would call monolithic[10:23:32] <bgran> I reckon it's academic masturbation to argue about semantics of micro and whatever kernels :)[10:23:38] <\amethyst> since the entire kernel runs in ring 0[10:23:50] <lblume> Like there are no 7 layer ISO network stacks. It's all an ideal concept, that's not practical in the real world.[10:23:51] <dorvan> yes... monolithic pure if you compile all internally of kernel.[10:24:09] <[lewellyn]> lblume: exactly[10:24:16] <\amethyst> the fact that modules are loaded separately doesn't change the fact that it's all one unprotected address space[10:24:21] <dorvan> yes...[10:24:28] <dorvan> so today nothing is pure...[10:24:30] <dorvan> :-D[10:24:39] <lblume> Yes, but it actually WORKS.[10:24:41] <[lewellyn]> anyhow, back to buying hardware. i kinda need to now :P[10:24:47] *** paul___ has joined #opensolaris[10:24:51] <dorvan> but return to opensolaris...[10:25:00] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: no different from linux in that respect[10:25:24] *** paul___ is now known as paul[10:25:44] <dorvan> as a monolithic (but modified kernel) if i installa custom driver i think was enabled by default after installation, so if the kernel start can load the driver...[10:26:09] <dorvan> after: being found, and loaded...[10:26:17] *** Plazma-Rooolz has quit IRC[10:26:32] <dorvan> found, by boot path to load kernel...[10:26:48] <dorvan> and found the driver path mounting the fs...[10:26:49] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: the problem is that the kernel doesn't finish loading if you change the hardware out from under it[10:27:18] <dorvan> why?[10:27:23] *** nightwish has quit IRC[10:27:34] <dorvan> if the device name number is the same?[10:27:46] <[lewellyn]> because of how things work. i don't claim to have the answers. there's surely bugs at bugs.opensolaris.org, which i keep pointing you at[10:27:56] *** eleusis has quit IRC[10:28:18] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[10:28:49] <lblume> The device name number is chosen at installation, and can change due to minor hardware differences betweeninstalls.[10:28:49] *** nightwish has joined #opensolaris[10:29:11] *** Plazma has quit IRC[10:29:39] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[10:29:59] <lblume> I'd say it's only predictable on very controlled hardware, like Sun's sparcs, where the OBP has a role to play in this.[10:30:29] <dorvan> lblume: wait.... if i have 2 machines with same controller path and same disk number, if put the hd with opensolaris to the other machine, you think the machine not boot?[10:30:48] <madwizard> Coffee[10:30:50] <lblume> I elieve it has a good chance not too, yes.[10:31:22] <[lewellyn]> all it requires is for things to enumerate differently for some reason[10:31:25] <dorvan> i've tried also with three completely different machines...[10:31:28] <dorvan> and boot[10:31:31] <[lewellyn]> i've had machines not boot after a bios update[10:31:39] <lblume> Unless you managed to acquire two exactly identical machines, which is difficult.[10:31:39] <dorvan> with same controller and disk paths[10:31:48] <dorvan> different!!![10:31:49] *** betchou has joined #opensolaris[10:31:52] <lblume> [lewellyn]: I was going to say that.[10:31:56] <smyth_rj> this is a ufs root right?[10:31:58] <dorvan> also the cpu type and arch[10:32:06] <dorvan> amd/intel 32/64[10:32:13] <lblume> CPU has surprisingly little importance, actually.[10:32:21] <dorvan> and boot succesfully.[10:32:27] <dorvan> exactly...[10:32:32] <[lewellyn]> smyth_rj: you can't have zfs root anymore[10:32:46] <lblume> But the rest - sorry, I don't believe you. Even on UFS, it was not trivial.[10:32:48] <dorvan> beacuse on both solaris the arch x86 is autosense 32/64[10:32:49] <[lewellyn]> can't not[10:32:50] <smyth_rj> say what!?[10:32:52] <dorvan> on boot[10:33:12] <dorvan> lblume: on ZFS[10:33:20] <smyth_rj> lewellyn: that makes more sense[10:33:26] *** Plazma-Rooolz has joined #opensolaris[10:33:32] <dorvan> whole disk[10:33:41] <[lewellyn]> yes. double negatives at 2am are bad[10:33:51] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris[10:33:53] <dorvan> eheheh[10:33:53] <lblume> There\s no "whole disk" for ZFS boot.[10:34:08] <dorvan> eh???[10:34:12] <[lewellyn]> whole disk for rpool means "big honking mbr partition"[10:34:15] *** cervello has joined #opensolaris[10:34:34] <[lewellyn]> whole disk for anything else zfs means "full-disk efi partition"[10:34:40] <dorvan> let's try...[10:34:40] <lblume> And it has no importance whether the partition uses the whole disk or not.[10:35:03] <[lewellyn]> lblume: the definition still holds[10:35:03] <dorvan> get 2 pc or three with the same boot path...[10:35:19] <dorvan> install opensolaris/solaris on one, and change disk[10:35:27] <dorvan> to another machine[10:35:33] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[10:35:39] <lblume> [lewellyn]: Sure, I just meant that "whole disk" is commonly used to talk about EFI style :-)[10:35:46] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:35:51] <[lewellyn]> lblume: except in the installer :P[10:36:07] <dorvan> exactly[10:36:14] <[lewellyn]> it should say "full disk" instead of "whole disk"[10:36:24] <[lewellyn]> it's on my list of bugs to file when i get less pissy at bugzilla[10:36:25] <lblume> Hmmmm, the installer doesn't say who;e, does it? It shows you the list of partitions with the percentage for each of them[10:36:36] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[10:36:49] <[lewellyn]> there's a radio button for "whole disk" which lets you repartition the disk as a single opensolaris partition[10:37:10] <lblume> Hmmm, right, I remember. I don't do this often enough :-)[10:37:20] <lblume> It's arguably confusing.[10:37:33] <dorvan> ok... discard whole disk..[10:37:37] <dorvan> about rest?[10:38:03] <lblume> If it works, good for you. If it doesn't, too bad.[10:38:41] <smyth_rj> After a great deal of effort, I finally figured out the solution. The problem was that the zpool.cache file inside of boot_archive was telling the Solaris kernel to look for the root filesystem at the wrong place[10:38:52] <dorvan> not "for me" like any other unix, there are only two thigs to be bootable...[10:38:55] <smyth_rj> sounds promising > http://baitisj.blogspot.com/2009/05/moving-zfs-root-filesystem-from-one.html[10:39:01] <dorvan> find and load...[10:39:21] <[lewellyn]> smyth_rj: i've already said numerous times that it's that the boot archive needs an update :P[10:39:36] <dorvan> no hw dependance, if you can access and modify what you need..[10:39:39] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[10:40:20] <smyth_rj> lewllyn: lets hope thats how to do it then[10:40:20] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: i'm sure that if you were to figure out a solution to the problem, you'd have a crapload of happy people[10:40:36] *** ubiquitous1980 has joined #opensolaris[10:40:43] <ubiquitous1980> so when is the fork happening?[10:40:47] <dorvan> so a part the smart array problem, the problem is only where the boot path being saved*[10:40:47] <[lewellyn]> smyth_rj: in theory, you boot off the livecd, import rpool, update the boot archive, export rpool, reboot[10:41:11] <[lewellyn]> ubiquitous1980: i think you mistook this channel for ##trolls[10:41:35] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:42:16] *** dalibor has quit IRC[10:42:19] <lblume> Yes, I'd sure be interested in changing the AHCI mode to IDE to check the ZFS perfs on my system :-)[10:42:23] <dorvan> lewellyn, the problem with live cd i can't load custom driver, i have to make it without livecd...[10:42:30] <smyth_rj> lewellyn: this dude just added "cp /etc/zfs/zpool.cache /tmp/mnt/etc/zfs/zpool.cache" to your process[10:42:35] <ubiquitous1980> hahah lewellyn, I actually want opensolaris to live on...I love the distro...[10:42:46] <[lewellyn]> then don't join and act like a troll :P[10:42:57] <dorvan> accross two machines or with temporaly the bootable hd in other machine attached to secondary controller on mb.[10:43:06] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: that's another bug to file. that one belongs on defect.opensolaris.org[10:43:21] <[lewellyn]> smyth_rj: as i said, i've not tried[10:43:40] *** Okona has quit IRC[10:43:42] <ubiquitous1980> lewellyn I just hope the code doesn't die and that it survives a fork if need be.[10:44:34] <ubiquitous1980> any word from oracle anyways?[10:44:35] <[lewellyn]> take a look at osol-discuss and raise your concerns there, if you have any[10:44:35] <dorvan> lewellyn, today what is the best way to clone 2 zfs volumes on different pool name accross machines or disks? the guide i have found is dated 2008[10:44:46] <[lewellyn]> it's 2am. i don't have the patience right now :P[10:44:54] <ubiquitous1980> ok lewellyn good to know you guys have a chat channel[10:44:57] <[lewellyn]> dorvan: zfs send?[10:44:58] <dorvan> eheh[10:45:00] <dorvan> sorry[10:45:08] <dorvan> i see[10:45:34] <ubiquitous1980> no #osol-discuss?[10:45:51] *** ubiquitous1980 has quit IRC[10:46:19] *** ubiquitous1980 has joined #opensolaris[10:47:06] *** Section9 has joined #opensolaris[10:48:33] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:49:24] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[10:49:26] *** mario_ has joined #opensolaris[10:50:18] <tsoome> there is no generic "best" way other than suggestion to use technology which will fit best for your needs:P[10:50:21] *** Bateau has quit IRC[10:50:37] <mario_> got a weird network issue that keeps creeping up on me from time to time... On some of the newer nodes that I have gotten after N days of running the machine starts to lag over network and the symptom is that ping RTT is a rotating length of 0ms - 1000ms with 100ms increments every second and it keeps doing that until I reboot the system[10:50:39] <mario_> example: http://pastebin.org/141061[10:50:41] <tsoome> and yes there are quite many ways to implement such replication[10:51:24] <mario_> it's a bitch to debug as the network connection is pretty much useless (like downloading a movie over dialup)[10:51:40] <mario_> the machine itself is under no noticable load what so ever[10:52:18] *** ubiquitous1980 has quit IRC[10:52:50] <dorvan> Found![10:52:55] <dorvan> http://blogs.sun.com/mrj/entry/solaris_10_opensolaris_p2p_p2v[10:53:08] <dorvan> :)[10:54:12] <lblume> mario_: What version is it?[10:54:43] <mario_> it's 09.06[10:54:45] <mario_> stock[10:55:13] <mario_> afaik I had the same issue with another node and due to some other issues I upgraded it to 128 at the itme[10:55:13] <mario_> time[10:55:23] <mario_> now that I think of it ... this error hasn't shown up anymore[10:55:27] <mario_> maybe I should just update :P[10:55:39] <mario_> is the 10.03 around the corner? :D[10:55:59] <lblume> It reminds me of some symptoms I had with the ipfilter issue, and tyhat bug was in 2009.06. Do you have it enabled?[10:56:00] <CIA-21> sonam gupta - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India <Sonam.Gupta at Sun dot COM>: 6919673 Job can be resumed by using spool file number even though there is not such a job number[10:56:37] <mario_> lblume: hmm... the network config is pretty much stock on these nodes except that nwam is disabled and i use physical:default instead[10:56:39] <mario_> gotta check[10:56:56] <mario_> what's the service name?[10:57:01] <lblume> ipfilter[10:57:04] <mario_> hmm[10:57:18] <mario_> root@saturn:~# svcs -a|grep -i ipt[10:57:19] <mario_> root@saturn:~#[10:57:24] <mario_> DUH[10:57:32] <mario_> nah, it's disabled[10:58:12] <|woody|> what kind of nic do you have[10:58:16] <mario_> e1000[10:58:29] <mario_> dual port on-board and dual port add-on card[10:58:41] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[10:58:53] <Stric> mario_: try to spell correctly when grep:ing.[10:59:03] <mario_> Stric: yeah :P that's what the DUH was about :D[10:59:12] <mario_> noticed it the moment I pasted here :p[10:59:18] <|woody|> there are some kind of intel nic that fuck up because of tcp offload. iirc[10:59:21] <CosmicDJ> like d'oh, I grepped for iptables? ;=[10:59:31] <mario_> CosmicDJ: exactly :D[10:59:54] <CosmicDJ> that deserves some more d'ohs! :p[11:00:22] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[11:00:26] <mario_> hmm... never fiddled around with TCP offload. Got any idea how to check it?[11:00:40] <|woody|> In some later builds I think they just disabled tcp offloading for this kind of nic[11:00:44] <mario_> ok[11:00:48] <|woody|> I have no clue :)[11:00:51] <mario_> so best idea probably is to upgrade[11:00:57] <|woody|> just read it somewhere[11:01:08] <|woody|> maybe google will find something :)[11:02:03] <mario_> ah, got it I think[11:02:29] *** derchris^ has joined #opensolaris[11:03:57] <mui> Synopsis destroying a dedup-enabled dataset bricks system[11:03:57] <mui> State 5-Cause Known (Bug is root caused)[11:03:58] <mui> hmm what[11:04:06] <|woody|> mario_ http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=5259[11:04:14] <mui> what does this mean?[11:04:43] <dorvan> aaaaaaaaahhhhh how many defects (and standard answers) in the world....[11:04:57] <timsf> It means an engineer knows what the problem is.[11:05:12] <causality> [lewellyn]: do you think now is not the best time to choose osol as a file server that's going to be in service for many years?[11:05:45] *** derchris has quit IRC[11:06:36] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[11:06:42] <megaTherion> hiho[11:07:30] <wdp_> how can i start the hardware detection tool in linux?[11:07:39] <wdp_> tried java and java -jar[11:07:42] <wdp_> didnt worked[11:08:05] <wdp_> sddtool_23.jnlp[11:08:17] *** cervello has quit IRC[11:08:24] <dorvan> megatherion: :-) is a nick or other?[11:08:38] <megaTherion> dorvan: nick certinly ;)[11:08:48] <dorvan> ah...[11:08:49] <megaTherion> alanc: damn my machine still boots up ;)[11:08:49] <johannes> wdp_: jnlp -> java web start -> javaws[11:09:01] <dorvan> :D[11:09:17] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:09:27] <wdp_> javaws ty[11:09:43] <dorvan> sounds like a donkey sound...[11:10:22] <megaTherion> dorvan: well actually its greek I think[11:10:55] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:11:29] <dorvan> me italian, so the sound is more similar..[11:14:16] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[11:23:52] <mario_> thanks everyone for the hints, will check if this stopped the rot (testing will take a week or so :P)[11:23:55] *** mario_ has left #opensolaris[11:32:32] <[lewellyn]> causality: no, i'd go with solaris 10[11:32:55] <causality> that's what i'm thinking[11:33:11] <causality> does sol 10 have zfs?[11:33:18] <CosmicDJ> ofc[11:34:47] <mui> umm[11:35:06] <mui> could someone verify that stmf does not need to be offlined in later /dev builds if one adds targets to target groups[11:36:27] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[11:36:36] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[11:36:38] <mui> I'm having mixed results[11:36:53] *** swift has quit IRC[11:36:59] *** swift_ is now known as swift[11:37:30] <CosmicDJ> how about using nexenta for a fileserver? IIRC you don't have to pay $$ to get updates..[11:38:08] <[lewellyn]> you also have to rely on nexenta staying in business for updates[11:38:33] *** swift has quit IRC[11:38:59] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[11:39:01] <CosmicDJ> it's been in business for 5 years...[11:39:27] <lblume> Yeah, at some point, you've got to start taking the chance of trusting companies :-)[11:40:11] <CosmicDJ> and who knows what whoracle wants to do with solaris...[11:40:18] <lblume> And well, even if they don't stay in business, it's not like your data is reencoded in EBCDIC or something.[11:41:11] *** timsf has quit IRC[11:43:56] *** ma3x has quit IRC[11:44:03] *** jwit has quit IRC[11:44:11] *** jwit has joined #opensolaris[11:44:43] <mui> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6938370[11:44:46] <mui> I don't get this either[11:44:53] <mui> "not a defect"[11:45:07] <mui> well, emm, stopping service while doing routine configuration change is a bit defect[11:46:05] <tsoome> not really[11:46:28] <tsoome> if its documented, then its behaving as supposed to be[11:46:43] <mui> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6788352[11:46:45] <tsoome> not nice, true. but still not an defect.[11:46:51] <mui> then why it is marked as fixed?[11:47:11] *** betchou has quit IRC[11:47:26] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[11:47:26] <mui> and I'm pretty sure I've been adding targets to groups without disabling stmf[11:48:09] <mui> and there's mentioned in teh intervebs that it should be possible to add targets without offlining whole service[11:48:26] <tsoome> well, to give exact answer, one must know exact definition of defect;)[11:49:36] <tsoome> it also can be regression, and therefor marked as not defect;) but well, cant really tell why is one or another reason listed there;)[11:49:50] <tsoome> also can be just an mistake;)[11:55:32] <mui> well, escalated it[11:55:38] <mui> lets see if oracle can giev answer[11:55:47] <Beket> mm, how can I see what package provide pkg-config ?[11:55:56] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[11:56:01] <tsoome> pkg search?[11:56:05] <Beket> thanks[12:01:00] *** dunc has quit IRC[12:02:11] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[12:02:23] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[12:04:04] *** swift has quit IRC[12:04:18] *** swift_ is now known as swift[12:04:55] <effnorwood> so don't use quotas with dedup yet[12:05:04] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[12:05:24] <effnorwood> if you enable quotas on a dedup filesystem and export it as nfs, it eventually just hangs[12:05:44] <mui> cool[12:12:59] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[12:13:18] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[12:14:09] <effnorwood> i thought about it going in. dedup and quotas. what do you quota? the actual bytes or the dedup bytes?[12:14:51] <effnorwood> i suppose i could read the code[12:15:09] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[12:15:28] <Stric> if both user A and B writes a block X, who should get it on its tab? A+B.[12:15:56] <Stric> so dedup will help the admin, not A or B[12:16:21] <effnorwood> i agree - the question is, does it actually work that way.[12:17:09] *** |synegy34| has joined #opensolaris[12:17:26] <Stric> pretty sure it does, after the very same question was asked on zfs-discuss..[12:18:28] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[12:18:29] <Stric> if B gets it for free just because A had written it before, then B might get over quota beacuse A removes a file[12:18:32] <Stric> that's not useful at all[12:18:39] *** devians[w] has joined #opensolaris[12:19:02] <effnorwood> do you happen to recall the thread topic?[12:19:17] <Stric> nope[12:19:49] <Stric> shouldn't be that many about quota[12:20:01] <ArcAngel> if you install opensolaris on poweredge with HW disk raid and only choose 8g system disk, does it initialize the rest to the TB disks too?[12:20:16] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[12:21:19] <effnorwood> the 3 that search returns are all not relevant which makes me believe that perhaps quota is not in the subject[12:21:31] <Stric> effnorwood: probably not in subject..[12:21:36] <effnorwood> ah[12:21:47] <effnorwood> Stric: thanks - i'll search[12:22:30] <effnorwood> ArcAngel: no it should not.[12:23:56] <[lewellyn]> it was probably in the early days of dedupe[12:24:06] <[lewellyn]> look around the time 128 closed[12:25:31] <effnorwood> lewellyn: you're a read the code kind of guy. why are quotas messing up my nfs exports. :)[12:26:11] <[lewellyn]> no, i'm trying to tell you when it should have been on the lists[12:26:15] <[lewellyn]> it was a long thread, iirc :)[12:26:27] <[lewellyn]> so it should be easy enough to find[12:27:03] <effnorwood> lewellyn: i know you are and i'm trying to leverage your big ol brain instead of searching.[12:27:09] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:27:15] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[12:27:28] <effnorwood> you know Dilbert's manager? i'm that guys sometimes.[12:27:34] <[lewellyn]> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=dedupe+quota+site:mail.opensolaris.org&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8[12:27:52] <[lewellyn]> there. i was kind enough to not use smrt's lmgtfy[12:27:54] <CosmicDJ> client=safari, interessting[12:28:01] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[12:28:09] <[lewellyn]> CosmicDJ: Darwin caterpillar.local 10.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.2.0: Tue Nov 3 10:37:10 PST 2009; root:xnu-1486.2.11~1/RELEASE_I386 i386[12:28:28] <[lewellyn]> at least i'm not on a windows box atm... ;)[12:28:51] * Stric is on 10.3.0 (which is not os x 10.3.0)[12:29:07] * effnorwood is on XP - yes with SP3[12:29:09] <[lewellyn]> oh. it finally came out?[12:29:10] <CosmicDJ> lol I had to check my uname too, I thought he's on 10.2[12:29:30] <effnorwood> lewellyn: thanks[12:29:37] <[lewellyn]> i have an XQuartz waiting to be installed as soon as i update[12:29:52] * [lewellyn] looks at the 50 windows he has open and skips looking at Software Update right now[12:31:29] <mui> o.o[12:31:45] <mui> I mailed to sun.com finland support[12:32:00] <mui> they answered "plz reply in english, we don't understand after recent support changes"[12:32:11] <mui> rriight[12:32:24] <mui> so sun.com finland support is known as oracle support in india[12:32:35] <mui> now known as even[12:34:24] <effnorwood> i think lblume is in Finland. maybe he can help. :)[12:34:36] <lblume> I am so no tthere.[12:34:51] <galt> lbume is in the orient[12:34:54] <effnorwood> damn you lblume. get off the skyscraper and back to finland, we need you there.[12:35:03] <lblume> Full of penguins and polar bears roaming in the streets, No thanks.[12:36:06] <effnorwood> where in the world is lblume?[12:36:09] * Stric is right next to finland, but without the encryption on speak/writing..[12:36:15] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[12:36:34] * effnorwood is in san francisco[12:37:02] <lblume> Oh, you're in the east then.[12:37:13] <mui> We have snow here[12:37:18] <mui> and polar bears yes[12:37:50] <mui> our openstorage is made to withstand any polar bear caused resonance or any other harmful activity[12:37:50] <asyd> and boreal morn?[12:38:33] *** lateau has quit IRC[12:38:37] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[12:40:08] <effnorwood> no snow here - had to check first[12:40:31] <Stric> only 0.5m snow left here or so[12:40:38] <effnorwood> oh - there is one polar bear though. he's getting coffee.[12:41:27] <madwizard> effnorwood: I refuse to be called a polar bear![12:42:03] <effnorwood> madwizard: no not you. i refuse to call you a polar bear.[12:42:28] <madwizard> I'm glad we have this settled, then[12:42:42] <effnorwood> madwizard: do you know Peet's? Coffee extreme.[12:43:40] <madwizard> No[12:44:20] <effnorwood> check them out if you can at peets.com. i go every day and it is wonderful! we also have martha brothers which is also good.[12:44:27] <madwizard> Ok, now I know[12:44:54] <madwizard> I'm in Poland. I can have either Tesco blend, JAckobs blend or Lavazza from my dealer[12:44:58] <effnorwood> though i suppose even Peets pales in comparison to Europe and and all those "we love coffee" places[12:45:47] <effnorwood> tesco is like our folgers i think :)[12:46:20] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[12:46:45] <madwizard> Yah[12:46:52] <madwizard> Especially Dutch Coffeeshops[12:46:54] <madwizard> Everything pales[12:46:57] <madwizard> Literally :)[12:48:29] *** luc^ has left #opensolaris[12:48:40] <madwizard> This Peets seem to be the same price range as Lavazza[12:48:42] <effnorwood> spring in holland is a wonderful soul happy making time[12:49:03] *** fedreric has joined #opensolaris[12:49:08] *** Section9 has quit IRC[12:49:14] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[12:50:25] *** pw_thirdfloor has joined #opensolaris[12:50:39] *** system5_ has quit IRC[12:51:08] <effnorwood> pretty girls on bikes. lots of smiles.[12:51:31] <effnorwood> anyhow. who wants to talk kernel debugging?[12:51:41] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[12:51:41] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[12:58:08] <madwizard> effnorwood: Kernel debugging.[12:58:14] <madwizard> effnorwood: Was it enough?[12:59:15] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[12:59:50] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: if you're in .ca.us, why the hell are you online? :)[13:00:01] *** scottdickson has joined #opensolaris[13:00:27] <madwizard> Coffee[13:00:47] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[13:02:23] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[13:03:00] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[13:03:07] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[13:03:57] *** dalibor has quit IRC[13:03:58] *** jwalck has joined #opensolaris[13:04:19] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[13:04:42] <jwalck> hey all, I have an issue with my networking on opensolaris that gets more pressing every time it happens[13:04:46] <madwizard> timsf: Interesting question on #zfs[13:04:59] <madwizard> timsf: 12:45 < henu> hello! do you know anything about the inodes on zfs? i don't know if zfs really has any inodes, but at least OS shows inodes so maybe there is some mapping of znode identification to inodes.. but to the main question: do you know if there is any quarantee that inodes will remain same for the whole lifetime of some file, even if its renamed, moved, etc.[13:05:08] <madwizard> Would you be able to tell?[13:05:20] <jwalck> I have a server with two nics, at from what i can see random, one of the nics just stop routing external traffic[13:05:33] <jwalck> for all zones connected to it[13:05:57] <jwalck> can't see a error in netstat -rn, nothing in dmesg[13:06:03] <madwizard> jwalck: We feel for you. What build, what vendor, what drivers, what setup?[13:06:53] <timsf> madwizard: nope. It doesn't have inodes[13:07:11] <timsf> It has znodes, see ./usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/zfs_znode.c[13:07:30] <jwalck> madwizard: snv_134, bnx, broadcom. its a dell r210[13:08:25] <madwizard> timsf: Okay, my bad. I forgot. Would znodes remain the same for the file lifetime?[13:08:28] * timsf not hugely intimate with zfs internals though[13:08:53] <madwizard> Ok, I'll try to track it somewhow[13:09:04] <madwizard> timsf: thanks And have a coffee :)[13:09:16] <mui> jwalck: ah[13:09:25] <mui> smrt: explain dell[13:09:33] <mui> urm[13:09:33] <smrt> Latest NIC firmware versions in R710/R610 and possibly R810 combined to latest bios upgrade causes random networking problems with osol, 4.6.8 for nics and 1.1.4 bios is okay[13:09:48] <mui> you're most possibly hitting this[13:10:07] *** henu has joined #opensolaris[13:10:56] <mui> there's been some discussion about it in zfs-discuss[13:11:06] <henu> yo! i heard there was someone who knows about inode mapping in zfs :) so zfs does not have inodes, but ls can show that files in zfs also have inodes, so there must be some kind of mapping[13:12:12] <henu> so... do you know if that mappings stays same forever? for example, if i create a file now, rename and move it million times, and let lots of time pass, does it still have the same inode?[13:12:32] <henu> (and by having inode, i mean does ls -i show same inode ;)[13:12:42] <jwalck> mui: ohh, thanks. ill try looking at it and see if its the same[13:13:07] <mui> I believe it is[13:13:30] <mui> current fixes are: disabling msi (bad), downgrading bios & nicfw (bad), disabling c-state from processors (bad)[13:13:48] <mui> or "workarounds" more likely[13:13:56] <madwizard> d) not use Dell[13:14:06] <mui> yes that is indeed more permanent fix[13:14:43] <lblume> Oh, like you can only hit firmware issues on Dell :-P[13:15:07] *** pw_thirdfloor has quit IRC[13:15:17] <effnorwood> lewellyn: because OpenSolaris is *that* awesome[13:15:19] <madwizard> lblume: Of course not, but it's the best fix eva![13:15:24] <mui> well, not using dell is quite good workaround for dell firmware problems[13:16:16] <madwizard> Ccooffee[13:16:21] <madwizard> brr[13:16:22] <madwizard> brrr[13:16:23] <madwizard> brrrr[13:16:28] <tru_tru> e) add some intel NIC instead?[13:16:33] <effnorwood> madwizard is swapping[13:16:44] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[13:17:00] <jwalck> madwizard: yeah, with this one i think the next one probably is a HP :)[13:17:19] <jwalck> mui: where can i find info about that bug?[13:18:04] * [lewellyn] sends some coffee to effnorwood[13:18:16] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[13:18:27] <effnorwood> lewellyn: omg - peets! thanks![13:18:51] <[lewellyn]> actually, it's whole foods[13:18:56] * [lewellyn] makes a cup, too[13:19:15] <[lewellyn]> Island Blend. it was ground on Apr 02, so it needs to be finished soon :P[13:19:23] <effnorwood> lewellyn: np - i speak whole foods too. hummus. see![13:19:23] <[lewellyn]> er roasted[13:19:36] <[lewellyn]> pre-ground coffee sucks[13:19:51] <jwalck> mui: what's msi? I really need to get around this issue atm, its causing me a headache way too often :)[13:20:06] <effnorwood> i never buy pre-gorund. it's the linux of coffee.[13:20:14] <effnorwood> ground*[13:20:29] <lblume> [lewellyn]: If kept carefully, it can stay good for a long time :-)[13:20:35] <madwizard> Lets just agree - pre coffee sucks[13:20:41] <mui> msi is way to allocate irq resources afaik[13:20:57] <madwizard> lblume: Yup, I have confirmed it can survive full 48 hours![13:20:58] <effnorwood> so what we're saying is that linux and torvalds must be destroyed?[13:21:01] <mui> and disabling it from bnx driver work as workaround in leenox world[13:21:03] <[lewellyn]> lblume: pre-ground, or roasted?[13:21:12] <mui> I would strongly advice against it in osol[13:21:39] * [lewellyn] impatiently hits refresh on his inbox[13:21:47] <lblume> [lewellyn]: Either, I'm not that a coffee nut that I need to know the name of the guy who planted the tree :-P[13:21:51] <mui> I have been just disabling c-states and hoping better tomorrow[13:22:02] <[lewellyn]> it's 0430! people should be replying to me wanting to buy stuff![13:22:13] <jwalck> mui: must check if my idrac can do that :)[13:22:30] <[lewellyn]> lblume: i'm ok with roasted coffee for a few weeks, but after a few weeks of it being ground, it may as well be folgers[13:22:32] <mui> c-states can be disabled from bios[13:22:36] <mui> under processor configuration[13:23:19] <[lewellyn]> sure storing it nitrogen-packed helps, but it's cheaper to buy a grinderthan a nitrogen tank :P[13:23:26] <lblume> [lewellyn]: What kind of packaging does it have then? I've got some quite old coffee, that's still perfectly drinkable.[13:25:14] <madwizard> [lewellyn]: What do you sell?[13:25:20] <lblume> I'd say that keeping the coffee in the fridge is the key, without nitrogen :-)[13:25:59] <madwizard> In functioning fridge[13:26:07] <[lewellyn]> madwizard: i'm trying to buy :)[13:26:32] <[lewellyn]> found a great deal on craigslist. i'll go pick it up today if i have to![13:26:52] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:27:31] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[13:27:40] <mui> dell is definetly fucked up with this broadcom issue[13:27:53] <mui> every new generation server go out with integrated bnx[13:28:10] <mui> and it does only work in windows[13:28:15] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[13:28:34] <mui> rhel, centos, solaris and osol all suffer from this mysterious issue[13:28:54] <mui> and it seems dell has no clue whatsoever what the problem really is[13:29:35] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[13:30:10] <madwizard> It's wrong kind of coffee for engeneers[13:31:03] <mui> I bet those engineers just talk marketing and do sports[13:34:19] <[lewellyn]> there. coffee is brewing and oatmeal is oatmealing[13:35:39] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[13:35:52] <effnorwood> lewellyn: where in the world are you?[13:36:13] <[lewellyn]> if you're in sf, about 25 miles south of you[13:36:25] <effnorwood> sunnyvale?[13:36:30] <effnorwood> or redwood shores?[13:36:47] <Fallen_Demon> If opensolaris is so great[13:36:53] <Fallen_Demon> Why can't it buy me milk?[13:36:53] <[lewellyn]> north more[13:37:00] <effnorwood> palo alto?[13:37:02] <madwizard> Fallen_Demon: Mine does[13:37:13] <madwizard> Fallen_Demon: You probably didn't kiss it today[13:37:20] <effnorwood> i lived in redwood city for years[13:37:27] <Fallen_Demon> madwizard, Damn :([13:37:37] <Fallen_Demon> I'm just not ready for that kind of relationship[13:37:37] <effnorwood> i used to work at NetApp. 1994-2001.[13:38:18] <[lewellyn]> i'm in san mateo[13:38:35] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[13:38:40] <effnorwood> lewellyn: i will ask you the same question - why are you up?[13:38:42] <[lewellyn]> also, who needs to buy milk?[13:38:51] * [lewellyn] glances at his opensolaris machine hooked up to a cow and a goat[13:38:59] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: because i'm always up[13:38:59] <jwalck> mui: you might be right :/ Only dell affected right? might buy a second server next to this one towards the summer, probably HP but supermicro is also an alternative[13:39:20] <mui> from what i've heard[13:39:26] <effnorwood> OpenSolaris has had the ability to buy milk since snv_101b[13:39:28] <jwalck> I havent worked with windows since 2004 and don't plan to go back :)[13:39:54] <effnorwood> man gmilk()[13:40:43] <ewdafa> man milk?[13:40:44] <ewdafa> ew.[13:40:48] <madwizard> jwalck: I do and I have to say Windows Server is pretty darn good piece of software[13:40:54] <madwizard> If you know where to tickle it[13:41:06] <effnorwood> lol[13:41:13] <[lewellyn]> 2008 and R2, yes[13:41:34] <causality> NT has been great since 2000[13:42:16] <Fallen_Demon> 2008R2 is a very sweet piece of software[13:42:20] <effnorwood> i have actual real customers who still have to use nt4![13:42:33] <Fallen_Demon> Still not as good as a *nix system, but meh :/[13:42:52] <effnorwood> if you guys ever go get a ct or a cat scan - nt4![13:43:22] <lblume> There are people still using MS-DOS, so NT is still pretty current :-)[13:43:50] *** macros73 has joined #opensolaris[13:43:51] <jwalck> madwizard: I probably didnt then ;)[13:44:05] <effnorwood> i heard that someone made a web browser for a commodore 64[13:44:25] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: there's been one for GEM for a number of years, too[13:44:33] <madwizard> effnorwood: Yup, someone made a www server for c64 and even a media streaming server[13:44:37] <effnorwood> if only i could have their life added to mine[13:44:41] <lblume> I saw a flight display in an airport proudly saying (A)bort, (R)retry, (C)ontinue?[13:44:44] <[lewellyn]> and i can't wait to defenestrate the last few win2k boxes i look at[13:45:08] <effnorwood> lblume: Continue![13:45:15] <Fallen_Demon> c[13:45:16] <Fallen_Demon> C[13:46:10] <madwizard> Co.o3[13:46:13] <lblume> It was! It rebooted automatically after a while, but the auto network part n config.sys was failing for some reason.[13:46:14] <madwizard> _[13:47:35] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[13:47:53] <effnorwood> :[13:48:07] <effnorwood> ^?[13:48:41] <lblume> 什么意思？[13:49:07] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[13:49:21] *** henu has left #opensolaris[13:49:27] <madwizard> Ok[13:49:29] <madwizard> Time to go[13:49:38] <madwizard> There is a doctor waiting for my money[13:49:40] <madwizard> [d][13:51:13] *** macros73 has quit IRC[13:52:24] * [lewellyn] waits for madwizard's money too[13:53:05] *** dalibor has quit IRC[13:54:10] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris[13:54:11] *** tsoome has quit IRC[13:54:11] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome[13:54:19] <effnorwood> lblume: you win[13:54:42] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[13:55:00] <effnorwood> madwizard's pin is 2117[13:55:07] *** gm152 has quit IRC[13:56:32] <zzpat> and there's only a 1/10,000 chance that that's right[13:57:07] <effnorwood> yes - if i guessed. as it turns out, madwizard gave me his card and pin to buy coffee.[13:58:09] <[lewellyn]> that's why i keep telling him to just dcc it![13:58:09] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[13:58:17] <effnorwood> anyhow, who wants to talk about my ILOM[13:58:41] <[lewellyn]> ask ##opensolaris.[13:58:44] <[lewellyn]> oh wait![13:58:48] <effnorwood> oh wait[13:58:58] * [lewellyn] passes around coffee and waves his hands[13:59:19] *** nettezzaumana has joined #opensolaris[13:59:38] <nettezzaumana> heya .. quick and dirty Q:[14:00:12] <trochej> effnorwood: given that you apply a proper mathematical correction: you guessed :)[14:00:17] <nettezzaumana> where is set, that osol uses dhcp ??[14:00:22] *** eleusis has quit IRC[14:00:30] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: depends on which networking provider you're using[14:00:38] <effnorwood> svcadm disable network/physical:nwam[14:00:47] <[lewellyn]> are you using nwam or physical?[14:01:03] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain static ip[14:01:05] <nettezzaumana> nwam .. ah[14:01:07] <smrt> There is no reason to disable NWAM just to configure a static IP address. NWAM deals just fine with this scenario, even though there is no GUI widget for it. http://blogs.sun.com/PlasticPixel/entry/nwam_static_ip_address_for (Alternatively, add a reservation to your DHCP server.) See also: http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo200906/How+to+Manually+Configure+Network+Settings[14:01:09] <nettezzaumana> okok[14:01:10] * [lewellyn] pokes the bot[14:01:21] <effnorwood> he's asking us wtf is do we do use dhcp by default with nwam[14:01:33] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: because sane admins use dhcp ;)[14:01:45] <effnorwood> that syntax was awesome[14:01:59] <[lewellyn]> it made sense. not enough coffee[14:02:00] <effnorwood> i am good with dhcp as long as i know your mac[14:02:02] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[14:02:02] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[14:02:10] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: so should i disable nwam and enable physical:default and set a static ip using traditional solaris way?[14:02:18] <effnorwood> yes[14:02:28] <nettezzaumana> effnorwood: for me?[14:02:33] <effnorwood> yes[14:02:37] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: not if you have only one nic.[14:02:42] <nettezzaumana> cool .. thanks effnorwood & [lewellyn][14:02:44] <effnorwood> your name is too long and complicated to type[14:02:46] <effnorwood> :)[14:02:47] <[lewellyn]> in which case, see the blogs.sun.com link from smrt[14:02:57] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: nett^I[14:03:13] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[14:03:15] <nettezzaumana> effnorwood: uff. doesn't your irc client support nick completition?[14:03:25] <effnorwood> nettezzaumana: omg it does[14:03:31] <effnorwood> nettezzaumana: cool[14:03:33] <DerSaidin> haha[14:03:34] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: nwam isn't that bad, if you have only one nic active at once for the OS[14:03:37] <effnorwood> nettezzaumana: who knew[14:03:37] <nettezzaumana> effnorwood: :D[14:03:55] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: i've started using one nic for the os and two for vbox, thanks to nwam :D[14:03:55] <effnorwood> wtf[14:03:58] <smyth_rj> nettezzaumana: what are u using?[14:04:08] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: i don't know anything about nwam[14:04:08] <effnorwood> it doesn't for lewellyn[14:04:12] <[lewellyn]> 05:08 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from effnorwood: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539][14:04:24] <jwalck> mui: btw, you know a way to get out of a crash besides rebooting the system?[14:04:27] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: that's because chatzilla's not smart enough to see the [ as decoration[14:04:28] <nettezzaumana> smyth_rj: ?? /ctcp nettezzaumana version[14:04:44] <effnorwood> then change your nick for my conveniece[14:04:50] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: you don't need to know anything about nwam. that's the point of it :)[14:04:51] <effnorwood> :)[14:05:11] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: if you have only one nic, you can either stick your ip in a file or use dhcp to assign a reservation[14:05:14] <[lewellyn]> i do the latter[14:05:30] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: ha[14:05:32] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: it'd inconvenience half of freenode if i changed nicks ;)[14:05:35] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: i know a traditional solaris way .. honestly, i've been never before using dhcp on solaris[14:05:43] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: all i had to do was type [[14:05:51] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: then you can see the wikis.sun.com link ;)[14:05:59] <[lewellyn]> that's why smrt has two links :)[14:05:59] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: ****bloody never*****[14:06:03] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: never typing your name again[14:06:07] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[14:06:14] <effnorwood> smrt: lewellyn[14:06:18] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: the [ is usually not there. this is the third-choice nick. no clue what burped.[14:06:43] *** vivid has quit IRC[14:06:52] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: it's because you're logged into 3 servers[14:06:53] <mui> jwalck: nope, reboot seems only way[14:06:58] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: no .. i don't want to mess up with dhcp .. :D i have found, that my opensolaris host uses by default dhcpclient and typed at first `svcs -a | grep -i dhc` .. nothing happend so i asked[14:07:06] <effnorwood> smrt: tell me about nwam[14:07:13] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: it's because i'm logged into 8 servers? :)[14:07:15] <effnorwood> smrt: define nwam[14:07:16] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: i don't plan to understand to setting up dhcp under solaris[14:07:16] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain nwam[14:07:18] <smrt> No really, NWAM is quite evil. I promise. Currently Phase Zero for 2010.03, Phase One was integrated to b135 (after 2010.03). See http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+nwam/Phase1Spec See also: static ip[14:07:20] <nettezzaumana> i mean client[14:07:35] <effnorwood> explain[14:07:40] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: the bot knows much. feel free to search it :)[14:07:43] <ArcAngel> can you watch progress of opensol somewhere in some log[14:07:44] <[lewellyn]> smrt: hi[14:07:45] <effnorwood> smrt: explain lewellyn[14:07:45] <smrt> Hi, I'm smrt. I try to be a helpful bot. For more information: /msg smrt help[14:07:47] <smrt> he's boring and not an OGB member[14:07:49] <jwalck> mui: ouch :( and bios settings cannot be changed through an idrac6 express right? I need to get someone over there?[14:07:50] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: thanks mate[14:07:53] <ArcAngel> too see if it still does stuff[14:07:57] *** raichoo has left #opensolaris[14:08:09] <effnorwood> smrt: explain nwam[14:08:10] <smrt> No really, NWAM is quite evil. I promise. Currently Phase Zero for 2010.03, Phase One was integrated to b135 (after 2010.03). See http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+nwam/Phase1Spec See also: static ip[14:08:11] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: nwam is particularly a holy-war topic, that's why the factlet lists both approaches :)[14:08:17] <mui> jwalck: i dunno about idrac express[14:08:18] <nettezzaumana> smrt: stfu[14:08:28] <nettezzaumana> hmm[14:08:32] <effnorwood> smrt: explain lewellyn[14:08:33] <smrt> he's boring and not an OGB member[14:08:39] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: the bot only does what people ask it to[14:08:44] <jwalck> mui: I thought it could change some bios settings but I must be dreaming because I'm logged in right now and can't find it :)[14:08:49] <effnorwood> smrt: explain uncle larry[14:08:50] <jwalck> and dells docs leave much to desire[14:08:50] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about uncle larry...[14:08:53] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: bot abuse, you can do via /msg smrt whatever you need[14:09:07] <nettezzaumana> [lewellyn]: i know .. i tried to test him if he knows *stfu string ;)[14:09:12] <[lewellyn]> nope[14:09:14] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: stop your whining bracket man :)[14:09:17] <[lewellyn]> but it knows when you thank it :)[14:09:20] <mui> jwalck: under processor configuration?[14:09:32] <mui> idrac itself cannot change bios settings[14:09:34] <mui> you have to boot it[14:09:35] <smrt> leave [lewellyn] alone![14:09:40] <effnorwood> heh[14:09:52] <effnorwood> it's nice to be the op[14:09:53] <mui> smrt: explain 2010.03 release schedule[14:09:54] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about 2010.03 release schedule...[14:09:58] <mui> ![14:10:04] <effnorwood> me either smrt[14:10:06] <[lewellyn]> smrt: search release[14:10:18] <effnorwood> <core>[14:10:22] <jwalck> mui: physical access to this machine is right now quite complicated :)[14:10:24] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[14:10:41] *** ant has joined #opensolaris[14:10:53] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain when 2010.03 will be released[14:10:54] <smrt> "When it's done." Originally scheduled for the end of March, but probably not until after then.[14:10:56] <[lewellyn]> mui: that?[14:11:06] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: spammy output goes to /msg ;)[14:11:09] *** ant is now known as Guest76246[14:11:18] <[lewellyn]> that search gave like 50 results :P[14:11:24] <[lewellyn]> (slight exaggeration)[14:12:03] <mui> [lewellyn]: I was just trying to fool smrt (:[14:12:10] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: are you saying that because I worked for IronPort I am a spammer?[14:12:20] <Stric> [lewellyn]: I've told you a billion times not to exagerate![14:12:40] <[lewellyn]> Stric: only 999,999,999![14:12:56] <Stric> off-by-one, common issue with computers[14:12:59] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: no. i said you're an abuser[14:13:04] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain spam[14:13:04] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about spam...[14:13:08] <[lewellyn]> heh[14:13:08] *** Guest76246 has quit IRC[14:13:16] <[lewellyn]> hm...[14:13:25] <effnorwood> smrt: explain bell 430[14:13:25] *** dalibor has quit IRC[14:13:25] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[14:13:26] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about bell 430...[14:13:48] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: you hurt my feelings. i'm no abuser.[14:14:09] <[lewellyn]> smrt: learn spam=Spam comes in a can, it was put there by a man. In a factory downtown.[14:14:11] <effnorwood> and your bot needs to learn some more[14:14:15] <[lewellyn]> smrt: count[14:14:15] <smrt> 399 factlets in the database at the moment.[14:14:27] <effnorwood> smrt: peets[14:14:37] <effnorwood> see?[14:14:42] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[14:14:43] <[lewellyn]> you didn't give it a verb[14:15:01] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: you need to meet evano[14:15:11] <effnorwood> smrt: drink peets?[14:15:26] <[lewellyn]> evano?[14:15:26] <effnorwood> is drink not a verb enough?[14:15:32] <[lewellyn]> it's a bot. it doesn't know how to drink[14:15:33] *** devians has quit IRC[14:15:50] <[lewellyn]> also. wow. i made this cup of coffee STRONG[14:15:50] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[14:16:02] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: evano is a you're kind of guy. i'll introduce you IRL sometime.[14:16:05] <[lewellyn]> i thought it was just the poor lighting that made it look jet black[14:16:17] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[14:16:46] *** deet has left #opensolaris[14:17:11] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[14:17:39] <effnorwood> what the heck is jet black anyhow[14:17:53] <effnorwood> even wikipeida doesn't know[14:18:31] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[14:18:45] <effnorwood> smrt: explain jet black[14:18:46] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about jet black...[14:18:51] <effnorwood> me either[14:19:18] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[14:19:27] *** h3x0r has quit IRC[14:19:29] <nettezzaumana> smrt: explain fuck[14:19:30] <effnorwood> smrt: learn jet black=a color that even wikipedia doesn't know about[14:19:31] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about fuck...[14:19:35] *** purserj has quit IRC[14:19:37] <[lewellyn]> smrt: jfgi jet black[14:19:38] <effnorwood> smrt: explain jet black[14:19:38] <smrt> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jet+black&l=1[14:19:39] <smrt> a color that even wikipedia doesn't know about[14:19:44] <effnorwood> awesome[14:19:47] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[14:20:27] <effnorwood> smrt: learn bestbuy=a store like CompUSA but somehow still in business.[14:20:31] *** h3x0r has joined #opensolaris[14:20:35] <[lewellyn]> smrt: learn jet black=http://emostudent.com/?p=12[14:20:48] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: compusa is still in business, amazingly.[14:20:49] <nettezzaumana> smrt: learn fuck=bad word which none should use (except on IRC networks)[14:20:50] <[lewellyn]> just not here[14:21:05] <nettezzaumana> smrt: explain fuck[14:21:06] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about fuck...[14:21:09] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[14:21:13] *** macros73 has joined #opensolaris[14:21:21] <effnorwood> smrt: learn linux=a kernel written by a mad man and supported by the insane[14:21:33] <effnorwood> smrt: explain linux[14:21:34] <smrt> a kernel written by a mad man and supported by the insane[14:21:37] * [lewellyn] looks at fuck[14:21:38] <effnorwood> this is awesome[14:21:46] <ArcAngel> i notice something now[14:21:46] <[lewellyn]> linux already had an entry :P[14:21:54] <effnorwood> not anymore[14:21:56] <effnorwood> :)[14:21:59] <ArcAngel> i see the network interface beeing found and then removed[14:21:59] <[lewellyn]> heh[14:22:04] <ArcAngel> constantly[14:22:05] <effnorwood> can i keep it please?[14:22:07] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: i missed the question?[14:22:19] <ArcAngel> dell power edge 1950 with iso mounted on drac install[14:22:22] <nettezzaumana> why doesn't smrt want to learn about "fuck" as i did minute ago effnorwood ?[14:22:36] <ArcAngel> [lewellyn]: the install freezes at 2%/preparing disks[14:22:40] <[lewellyn]> nettezzaumana: i don't know. it recognized it. what did smrt say in /msg?[14:22:42] <effnorwood> smrt: learn fuck=dunno[14:22:55] *** dalibor has quit IRC[14:22:56] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[14:22:57] <effnorwood> nettezzaumana: cause it's locked by lewellyn[14:23:07] <nettezzaumana> ah[14:23:13] <[lewellyn]> botmsg='learn fuck=bad word which none should use (except on IRC networks)[14:23:21] <[lewellyn]> is it really locked?[14:23:29] <[lewellyn]> it should say so in private message, if so[14:23:30] <effnorwood> it says it is[14:23:33] <nettezzaumana> yeah .. seems like[14:23:33] <[lewellyn]> ah[14:23:39] <[lewellyn]> smrt: learn fuck=you[14:23:40] <effnorwood> Whoa, nelly! That factlet's locked! I can't let you touch that![14:23:53] <[lewellyn]> hah. i forgot what the output of that was[14:23:57] <effnorwood> smrt explain fuck[14:23:59] <[lewellyn]> someone else may have locked it, too[14:24:05] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: tab-complete[14:24:18] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: tabbed[14:24:34] <ArcAngel> damn that i can't paste from drac[14:24:43] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: the bot only responds if its nick is followed by : or , (just like most regular clients treat that as a standard highlight)[14:24:43] <nettezzaumana> back to business guys .. thanks to excellent help about network/physical:{default,nwam} ( [lewellyn] && effnorwood )[14:24:44] *** smyth_rj has left #opensolaris[14:25:10] <nettezzaumana> s/to/for[14:25:16] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: the bot also has a neat feature where things that don't exist can be locked, like fuck apparently was :)[14:26:04] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[14:28:05] *** Homere has joined #opensolaris[14:28:27] <effnorwood> smrt: explain linux[14:28:28] <smrt> a kernel written by a mad man and supported by the insane[14:28:30] <effnorwood> heh[14:28:56] <CosmicDJ> smrt: explain BSD[14:28:56] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about BSD...[14:28:57] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[14:29:36] *** nettezzaumana has left #opensolaris[14:30:15] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[14:30:15] <effnorwood> smrt: learn BDS=like OpenSolaris but different[14:30:18] *** jwalck has quit IRC[14:30:23] <effnorwood> smrt: explain BSD[14:30:24] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about BSD...[14:30:32] <effnorwood> damn[14:30:33] <CosmicDJ> typo[14:30:40] <effnorwood> smrt: learn BSD=like OpenSolaris but different[14:30:45] <effnorwood> smrt: explain BSD[14:30:46] <smrt> like OpenSolaris but different[14:31:13] <effnorwood> smrt: learn BDS=talk to lewellyn[14:31:20] <CosmicDJ> https://www.bsdwiki.de/images/f/f4/44bsd.gif -> "A Real Operating System for Real Users" I like this one :)[14:31:26] <seanmcg> BDS ?[14:31:33] <turtle> LEARN IBS![14:31:51] <effnorwood> BDS is the new OpenSolaris iSCSI kernel module. Oh wait. No, it's not.[14:32:08] <effnorwood> BDS is a typo by yours truly[14:32:38] <effnorwood> smrt: learn lewellyn=the man, the myth, the legend[14:32:40] <[lewellyn]> hm. that reminds me. i need to bring on version 18 of smrt soon[14:32:51] <effnorwood> smrt: explain lewellyn[14:32:52] <smrt> the man, the myth, the legend[14:32:56] <effnorwood> awesome[14:33:38] <effnorwood> smrt: learn google=a bunch of stuck up college kids trying to prove themselves[14:34:04] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[14:34:40] <effnorwood> smrt: explain coffee[14:34:41] <smrt> Coffee is something trochej knows about.[14:34:43] <[lewellyn]> smrt: say goodbye[14:34:44] *** smrt has quit IRC[14:35:32] <effnorwood> smrt: learn coffee=Coffee is something trochej and madwizard knows about[14:35:49] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[14:35:50] <[lewellyn]> trochej == madwizard[14:36:03] <effnorwood> i had no idea[14:36:08] <[lewellyn]> use /whois[14:36:09] <[lewellyn]> :)[14:36:10] <CosmicDJ> btw, what's e^ipi's new nick?[14:36:17] <[lewellyn]> CosmicDJ: he has a new nick?[14:36:31] <CosmicDJ> [lewellyn]: no idea, but I don't see him here anymore[14:36:43] <effnorwood> smrt: explain lewellyn[14:36:44] <smrt> the man, the myth, the legend[14:36:52] <effnorwood> right[14:37:14] <[lewellyn]> CosmicDJ: i haven't lately either[14:37:33] <[lewellyn]> btw, version 18 of smrt has the ability to ignore people[14:39:42] <turtle> but can it make me a princess?[14:41:24] <[lewellyn]> only if you want to be a pretty pretty princess[14:41:25] *** tsoome has quit IRC[14:42:01] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[14:42:24] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain pretty pretty princess[14:42:24] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about pretty pretty princess...[14:42:27] <[lewellyn]> bah[14:42:38] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain pretty pretty princess[14:42:39] <smrt> http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=8F024669-6D40-1014-8BF0-9EFBF894F9D4&product_id=9484[14:42:58] <[lewellyn]> ok. enough bot abuse. someone had a problem[14:43:00] *** tg has quit IRC[14:43:18] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: so... which installer are you using? what hardware? is it on the hcl?[14:43:35] <ArcAngel> iso image, mounted on drac/ilo[14:43:35] *** dorvan has quit IRC[14:43:44] <ArcAngel> dell poweredge 1950[14:43:58] <ArcAngel> it had troubles with the gbit nics[14:44:01] <ArcAngel> i disabled them in bios[14:44:04] <ArcAngel> and trying agian[14:44:05] <[lewellyn]> iso image is vague[14:44:13] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[14:44:20] <[lewellyn]> livecd? ai? textinstaller? 2009.06? 134? something else?[14:44:44] <effnorwood> smrt: explain pretty pretty princess[14:44:45] <smrt> http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=8F024669-6D40-1014-8BF0-9EFBF894F9D4&product_id=9484[14:44:56] <effnorwood> ok good[14:45:38] <effnorwood> smrt: learn my little pony=http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/en_US/[14:46:20] <effnorwood> smrt: explain my little pony[14:46:21] <smrt> http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/en_US/[14:46:24] <effnorwood> heh[14:46:38] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: love your bot now that i know how to teach it[14:46:54] <[lewellyn]> please don't teach it too much irrelevant stuff, though :P[14:47:03] <effnorwood> i won't[14:47:16] <effnorwood> don't want that slab allocator to go crazy[14:47:28] <DerSaidin> and don't teach it to kill[14:47:45] <effnorwood> and are you suggesting that my little pony is irrelevant?[14:48:02] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: well, it doesn't come up in conversation much[14:48:26] <jbit> [lewellyn]: that's because it's not in the bot[14:48:40] <[lewellyn]> jbit: thank effnorwood for correcting that oversight[14:48:44] <jbit> :P[14:48:45] <effnorwood> does anyone know why zfs my little pony -ax does not work anyomore?[14:48:49] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain pony[14:48:50] <smrt> You can't have a pony. If you were destined to get a pony, you got it from your parents as a child. Tough cookies, if you didn't.[14:48:57] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: are you sure? :)[14:49:00] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: suitable answer?[14:49:22] <[lewellyn]> lots of random junk in smrt :P[14:49:39] *** hajma has quit IRC[14:49:50] <jbit> [lewellyn]: no IRC channel bot has ever been full of random junk before... it's a very unexpected outcome :)[14:50:01] <effnorwood> smrt: learn triumph=the best sports car of all time, especially if it's a TR6[14:50:09] <effnorwood> ok i'm done[14:50:11] <effnorwood> :)[14:50:21] <[lewellyn]> jbit: there's a reason it's not using mysql ;)[14:50:52] <jbit> effnorwood: You can't have a TR6. If you were destined to get a TR6, you would get it from your parents as a child. Tough cookies, if you didn't.[14:50:54] * [lewellyn] notes that the web factlet viewer is #4 on the todo list[14:50:55] <ArcAngel> [lewellyn]: livecd[14:51:04] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: ok. and which version? :)[14:51:05] <ArcAngel> 2009.06[14:51:10] <ArcAngel> just downloaded[14:51:27] <[lewellyn]> try the 134 iso. it's the dev iso, but it's very similar to what the next release will "look" like[14:51:36] <ArcAngel> ack[14:51:36] *** strawf has quit IRC[14:51:40] <effnorwood> that's like telling the pope he's catholic[14:52:04] <jbit> [lewellyn]: i still think /dev should be called something else :)[14:52:08] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: he's not. but he plays one on tv[14:52:17] <[lewellyn]> jbit: "/newer"[14:52:27] <jbit> [lewellyn]: it goes through more testing than some stable releases of certian linux distros[14:52:40] <[lewellyn]> well, it isn't called /unstable ;)[14:52:43] <jbit> [lewellyn]: /beta or something :)[14:52:44] <ArcAngel> [lewellyn]: where do i get that?[14:52:56] <ArcAngel> http://dlc-cdn-rd.sun.com/c1/osol/opensolaris/[14:53:03] <[lewellyn]> see /topic[14:53:11] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[14:53:15] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[14:53:22] <[lewellyn]> there's an iso torrent there, and it's also linked at the bottom of the release notes, with a non-torrent download[14:53:28] <[lewellyn]> and reading release notes is always good :)[14:53:56] <ArcAngel> no time[14:54:05] <ArcAngel> this is our production backup server that is down[14:54:07] <ArcAngel> =D[14:54:16] <effnorwood> lblume: release notes![14:54:48] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: you have a production backup server running opensolaris? that's somewhat brave ;)[14:55:01] <ArcAngel> you think that is brave[14:55:06] <ArcAngel> they even enabled dedup[14:55:11] <ArcAngel> =D[14:55:15] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: i have production production running 134 with dedup![14:55:45] <jbit> i guess it depends on your definition of production :)[14:55:57] <[lewellyn]> effnorwood: and you trust it to house your backups? :)[14:56:15] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: um. 2009.06 pre-dates dedupe...[14:56:20] <[lewellyn]> you want a dev iso :P[14:56:22] <ArcAngel> yes i know[14:56:30] <effnorwood> every time my x4500 goes down, so does all of my vmware production[14:56:32] <ArcAngel> no... we don't want dedup anymore[14:56:33] *** strawf has joined #opensolaris[14:56:45] <effnorwood> but dedup is compelling[14:56:48] <ArcAngel> it hangs machines when you remove snapshot[14:56:53] <effnorwood> moth. fire. you know.[14:56:56] <[lewellyn]> hahaha. you found that eh?[14:57:02] <ArcAngel> =D[14:57:11] * [lewellyn] still hasn't turned dedupe on anywhere[14:57:23] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: so you're blowing away the entire backup server? O_o[14:57:25] <ArcAngel> it was turned on before i came to work here[14:57:29] <[lewellyn]> what's the point of backups? :P[14:57:29] <jbit> it does seem rather unstsable right now[14:57:34] <effnorwood> [lewellyn]: dedup on - you know you want to[14:57:36] <[lewellyn]> ah so you've only been there a couple months then[14:57:38] <ArcAngel> when i came here and heard.. i brrrr'ed[14:57:39] <jbit> but will be cool in a few more releases i guess[14:57:44] <ArcAngel> and adviced against[14:57:48] <ArcAngel> now i can fix it[14:57:51] <ArcAngel> =D[14:58:03] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: by destroying all the backups! :P[14:58:16] <[lewellyn]> btw, why didn't you have a backup of the backup server?[14:58:17] <ArcAngel> moved... format[14:58:19] <ArcAngel> move back[14:58:25] <ArcAngel> lol[14:58:29] <ArcAngel> catch-22[14:58:34] <Kapsel> currently sending some data using zfs send - but its somewhat slow (a few hundred mbit, on gbit link). cpu is pretty much idle on both sender and receiver, same with iostat. any suggestions? network is not the bottleneck either.[14:58:42] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[14:58:58] *** hudnix has quit IRC[14:59:01] <ArcAngel> geez what alot of text in that release notes[14:59:09] <ArcAngel> what is the iso url?[14:59:20] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: yes. sad for the dev version just before release, eh? :([14:59:29] <[lewellyn]> IPS 134 ( Release notes: http://bit.ly/d4N8N2 & x86 ISO torrent: http://bit.ly/9F12It )[14:59:34] <jbit> The ISO images are also available for HTTP download from[14:59:34] <jbit> http://www.genunix.org/[14:59:37] <effnorwood> http://iso.url[14:59:52] <effnorwood> well ok - not really[15:00:05] <jbit> "OpenSolaris preview" is much nicer than "OpenSolaris dev" :)[15:00:20] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[15:00:39] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[15:01:03] <[lewellyn]> well, it's not always a preview. it's always dev ;)[15:01:24] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[15:01:28] *** Beket has left #opensolaris[15:02:36] <jbit> ah[15:03:14] <jbit> also, opensolaris still locks up when you have an apple keyboard attached on boot :)[15:03:21] <[lewellyn]> still?[15:03:23] <jbit> yes[15:03:38] <[lewellyn]> even with the latest firmware on the keyboard? or does that make it worse? :P[15:03:39] <jbit> it works when it's booted now... but during boot it dies[15:03:43] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[15:03:46] *** Killsudo has quit IRC[15:03:55] <jbit> (a few months back it didn't work at all)[15:03:57] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[15:04:02] <jbit> [lewellyn]: hrm, good question[15:04:05] * [lewellyn] can't wait for bluetooth keyboard support to see how fucked up their bluetooth keyboards are... *sigh*[15:04:36] <jbit> ah, i need osx to isntall hte firmware update (of course)[15:04:44] <[lewellyn]> well yeah[15:04:59] <jbit> i don't have an osx box handy right now[15:05:15] <[lewellyn]> it did something interesting to the keyboard, i forget what[15:05:27] <jbit> bricked it? :)[15:05:35] <[lewellyn]> i updated ours a while back when it was determined that it reduced lag on windows :)[15:05:46] <[lewellyn]> gaming is better with less lag :)[15:06:07] <jbit> "This firmware update addresses an issue with the aluminum Apple Keyboard and the aluminum Apple Wireless Keyboard where a key may repeat unexpectedly while typing."[15:06:13] <jbit> ah, i'm actually getting this sometimes[15:06:26] <jbit> especially when typing "cd" i get "cdd" sometimes[15:07:08] <[lewellyn]> yeah. that's why i updated the first one[15:07:18] <[lewellyn]> i'd get it with cmd, which sucked under windows[15:07:52] <[lewellyn]> i'd tap it for the start menu, and then it'd flash a couple of times :([15:08:23] <jbit> guesss i should find a mac to update it with :)[15:08:43] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:09:00] <[lewellyn]> bring it here ;)[15:09:10] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[15:09:13] <jbit> are you in copenhagen? :P[15:09:19] <[lewellyn]> .ca.us[15:09:32] <jbit> that's a little too far for a firmware update :P[15:10:06] <jbit> hrm, the update is probably only usb HID commands... wonder how hard it'dd be to write my own flasher for it[15:10:10] <[lewellyn]> but the weather's great[15:10:37] <jbit> AlKybdFirmwareUpdate.dmg: vax executable - version 376[15:10:54] <[lewellyn]> it probably isn't just hid commands. istr you're the one who linked how to poke at the firmware in gdb :)[15:10:54] <jbit> hrm... I think this is a wrong identification by libmagic :P[15:11:16] <[lewellyn]> version 376 sounds right for a vax executable these days ;)[15:12:29] <jbit> all firmware update programs should be in python..[15:12:43] <jbit> that way you at least have some chance of running it on most OS'[15:13:41] <trochej> jython[15:14:07] <kohju> |_^)/[15:15:43] * [lewellyn] shudders at trochej[15:15:55] <[lewellyn]> jbit: i think they have one for windows too[15:16:01] * jbit goes to rewrite his firmware update program in python so he's not a hypocrit[15:16:57] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[15:18:05] <jbit> [lewellyn]: they seem to have a trackpad update for windows, but not a keyboard update[15:19:35] <[lewellyn]> funky[15:20:52] *** twisti has quit IRC[15:21:12] <trochej> Coffee[15:21:25] <trochej> Lets write whitespace firmware update[15:21:45] <kohju> |-^)/[15:21:50] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[15:22:14] * jbit hugs synergy[15:22:33] <jbit> sometimes it works so well that i forget i'm actually using two different computers and try to drag windows between them[15:22:51] <jbit> one day that's going to work and i'm going to be shocked[15:22:51] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[15:24:07] *** gretel has quit IRC[15:26:25] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:27:03] *** caldwell has joined #opensolaris[15:28:18] *** caldwell has quit IRC[15:28:28] *** caldwell has joined #opensolaris[15:34:11] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[15:34:34] *** Mech0z_ has quit IRC[15:36:43] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[15:37:13] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:37:22] *** system5 has quit IRC[15:38:08] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[15:38:11] *** system5 has joined #opensolaris[15:38:41] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[15:38:43] <kohju> coffee[15:40:04] *** deet has quit IRC[15:44:15] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[15:46:09] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[15:47:53] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[15:48:19] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[15:48:41] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[15:52:16] *** betchou has joined #opensolaris[15:52:21] *** strawf has quit IRC[15:53:12] *** strawf has joined #opensolaris[15:53:39] *** Homere has quit IRC[15:56:10] *** Killsudo has joined #opensolaris[15:58:25] <trochej> @coffe[15:59:07] <[lewellyn]> time for another cup here, too[15:59:12] *** andersenep has quit IRC[16:01:34] *** niq has quit IRC[16:02:56] <trochej> how many did I have?[16:02:58] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[16:03:17] <[lewellyn]> no clue. i try not to count as it'll remind me of the time[16:04:13] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[16:05:56] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[16:06:05] <RoyK> hi all. I have some VMs that work extremely badly on virtualbox (seems vbox keeps crashing my opensolaris box). I have exported the VMs, and wonder how I can import these in xvm/xen. Is this possible?[16:07:47] <ArcAngel> [lewellyn]: the dev versions hangs at same point[16:08:36] <ArcAngel> is there some log where you could see install errors and/or progress[16:08:58] <Stric> RoyK: using latest virtualbox?[16:10:21] <RoyK> Stric, yes[16:10:40] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[16:10:59] <Stric> I think you can juggle around and convert the disk images to whatever both can handle, but the "hardware" might differ and screw things up[16:11:00] <timsf> RoyK: I've done that sort of thing before, can get a bit tricky though. The easiest way to try, is to create a HVM guest similar to the vbox one you're using using a vdi disk, shut it down, then switch around the disk[16:11:10] <timsf> Yep - what Stric says.[16:11:49] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[16:12:22] <wdp_> pci pass through working for pcie devices with solaris dom0 to linux domU?[16:12:35] <timsf> no.[16:12:45] <wdp_> why?[16:12:48] <timsf> at least not afaik[16:13:00] <timsf> ask in #solaris-xen[16:13:11] <wdp_> nobody in there.[16:13:26] <timsf> yes there is.[16:13:45] <wdp_> ?[16:13:51] <wdp_> the channel is empty[16:14:19] <timsf> different server - irc.oftc.net[16:14:23] <[lewellyn]> ArcAngel: i don't know. i try to avoid installing opensolaris ;)[16:14:29] <ArcAngel> ehehe[16:14:40] *** betchou has quit IRC[16:15:31] *** e1kg has quit IRC[16:17:41] *** SlimG has quit IRC[16:18:00] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[16:20:25] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[16:22:09] *** ganbold has quit IRC[16:22:50] *** Mick27 has joined 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<ArcAngel> i bet it would work on sun hardware[16:58:46] <ArcAngel> either buy dell and run linux[16:58:50] <ArcAngel> or buy sun and run solaris[16:58:56] <ArcAngel> why don't people get this[16:59:02] <ArcAngel> and buy dell and install sol[16:59:05] <taemun> because dell totally write linux[16:59:37] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[16:59:46] <ArcAngel> in my eyes it's like giving a gun to fireman to put out the fire[16:59:55] <ArcAngel> and a fire hose to a cop to shoot the criminal[17:00:12] <taemun> in my mind, opensolaris on loads of non-sun hardware[17:00:15] <taemun> oh wait, thats real life[17:00:47] <ShadowHntr> i run opensolaris on hp proliant hardware...[17:00:51] <ShadowHntr> virtualized works great[17:01:09] <taemun> I'm running it on a self-built system with a tyan motherboard[17:01:11] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[17:01:31] <fleyta> Which is the best time to find jmcp *not* sleeping?[17:01:42] <nikolam> I am running it on nbook as desktop ;)[17:03:59] <lewellyn> fleyta: jmcp is .au[17:04:03] <lewellyn> Thu Apr 8 23:08:24 CST 2010[17:04:09] <lewellyn> his timezone is similar to that[17:04:14] <taemun> 01:08:24 ??[17:04:16] <lewellyn> maybe a couple hours later[17:04:19] <taemun> lol[17:04:24] <ShadowHntr> +13 hrs from here...[17:04:27] <taemun> i'm on AEST as well[17:04:33] <ShadowHntr> US/Central here[17:04:34] <taemun> and its friday :P[17:04:42] <taemun> (jmcp is on AEST as well)[17:04:44] <lewellyn> taemun: perth happens to share a timezone with china ;)[17:04:52] <taemun> (unless he annexed that bit of qld)[17:04:53] <ShadowHntr> wait, he's in Perth?[17:04:54] <taemun> wha?[17:04:58] <taemun> wasn't he brisvegas?[17:04:59] <Killsudo> has anyone seen a linux nfs client that could kernel panic the linux box only when connecting for a solaris nfs server?[17:05:06] <lewellyn> so i can safely ballpark ".au is similar to my /china output"[17:05:08] *** abyssmal_ has quit IRC[17:05:27] <taemun> anyway, my memory says QLD or NSW[17:05:27] <ShadowHntr> hmmm... last time i had a situation like that i was running a Solaris 10 NFS server with a Slackware Linux NFS client. no problems there, but that was 5 years ago.[17:05:28] <Killsudo> I can find references to solaris nfs server crashing due to linux nfs client connecting but no the linux client panicing[17:05:33] <lewellyn> taemun: i don't know where he is. just that he's .au. and perth and china share a timezone and i have a /china alias :)[17:05:35] <taemun> and all the east coast is on the same time zone atm[17:05:37] *** abyssmal has joined #opensolaris[17:05:39] <taemun> lol[17:05:40] <taemun> oki[17:05:53] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[17:05:54] <ShadowHntr> NIS plus NFS[17:05:58] <lewellyn> so he's on a similar time to the one listed, +/- a few hours[17:06:03] <Killsudo> ShadowHntr: its a centos 5.4 box :( I got plenty of other centos boxs backing up to the solaris nfs[17:06:17] <ShadowHntr> ahhh. can't help you. wish i could...[17:06:19] <Killsudo> this particular one has issues but no problem with a linux nfs server[17:06:32] <Killsudo> im stumped[17:06:34] <lewellyn> Killsudo: i'd ask the linux distro's channel[17:06:46] <lewellyn> it's possible they "fixed" something in the nfs client[17:06:48] <ShadowHntr> yeah it sounds like a defect in the NFS code on the linux side[17:06:53] <ShadowHntr> client[17:07:03] <ShadowHntr> cause i've heard stories about NFS weirdness on Linux[17:07:11] <Killsudo> yea its on both sides[17:07:14] <ShadowHntr> communicating against Solaris, but that's rumors and I don't know the details[17:07:23] <Killsudo> I keep getting pointed back and forth[17:07:38] <ShadowHntr> yeap that's linux evangefreaks for you ;)[17:08:01] <lewellyn> Killsudo: i suspect you can debug it better from the linux side, since that's what's dying[17:08:20] <ShadowHntr> now's the time you wish you had DTrace on Linux... :*)[17:08:25] <lewellyn> ShadowHntr: linux doesn't like aix or hpux nfs servers either, really :P[17:08:26] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[17:08:33] <lewellyn> smrt: explain dtrace on linux[17:08:33] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about dtrace on linux...[17:08:36] <lewellyn> orly[17:08:36] <ShadowHntr> lewellyn: wow, didn't know that :)[17:08:58] <Killsudo> hows the udp vs tcp on nfs to solaris?[17:09:01] <ShadowHntr> lewellyn: i'm making fun of the inferiorness of linux kernel debuggers[17:09:24] <tsoome> Killsudo: what you mean?[17:09:26] <Killsudo> does tcp nfs mounts on the solaris side work well?[17:09:32] <ShadowHntr> or at least the perceived inferiorness (i'm not a linux kernel developer)[17:09:45] <tsoome> tcp is default since nfsv3 was introduced[17:09:56] *** Odin- has quit IRC[17:09:58] <fleyta> Killsudo: NFS >= version 3 always use TCP by default.[17:09:59] <ShadowHntr> yeah the problems i've heard is nfsv3 vs. v4[17:10:00] <tsoome> and thats a long years ago[17:10:08] <fleyta> Killsudo: In version 4 of NFS UDP is gone.[17:10:13] <Killsudo> ah[17:10:21] <Killsudo> ive been doing to much reading[17:10:22] <ShadowHntr> i need to practice more on nfs[17:10:22] <lewellyn> smrt: learn dtrace on linux=If you're stuck on Linux and SystemTap doesn't cut it, take a look at Dtrace: http://www.crisp.demon.co.uk/blog/index.html and ftp://crisp.dynalias.com/pub/release/website/dtrace[17:10:25] <ArcAngel> now i chose text install[17:10:33] <ArcAngel> then you get root login prompt[17:10:35] *** Homere has quit IRC[17:10:41] <ArcAngel> but what is default pass of livecd[17:10:50] <ShadowHntr> i think it's 'opensolaris'[17:11:03] <lewellyn> ArcAngel: you log in as jack/jack[17:11:08] <ArcAngel> sigh[17:11:09] <lewellyn> just like the livecd[17:11:10] <ArcAngel> ah[17:11:21] <ArcAngel> and then...[17:11:23] <lewellyn> root is a role, you can't log in as root ;)[17:11:28] <houst0n> My mind still fucking boggles at the reason for 'jack'[17:11:32] <lewellyn> i don't know. i haven't used it[17:11:39] <ArcAngel> why doesn't it continue with install questions[17:11:42] <ShadowHntr> lewellyn: yeah i thought that[17:11:56] <lewellyn> i use AI when i'm in a text situation :)[17:12:02] <lewellyn> smrt: explain jack[17:12:02] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about jack...[17:12:12] <lewellyn> hm. surprised no one's added that factlet yet[17:12:36] <ArcAngel> hmm[17:12:42] <ArcAngel> is the text installer available at all?[17:12:52] <ArcAngel> i read on some forums there is no text installer yet[17:12:59] <houst0n> ArcAngel: genunix.org[17:13:02] <houst0n> you can download and use it[17:13:19] <lewellyn> smrt: explain text installer[17:13:20] <smrt> OpenSolaris does not yet officially have a text installer. BUT, there's one coming. Read more at http://sparcv9.blogspot.com/2009/08/opensolaris-text-based-installer.html and http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/TextInstallerProject/ or download a build 134 prototype at http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+caiman/Text+Install+b134+Notes[17:13:21] <houst0n> http://genunix.org/dist/caiman/textinstall-134-x86.iso[17:13:35] <taemun> does that still install GDM?[17:13:45] <houst0n> try it and find out?[17:13:48] <lewellyn> taemun: ai or the text installer?[17:13:52] <taemun> caiman[17:14:00] <taemun> houst0n: thought it'd take around 2 hours less just to ask, thanks[17:14:26] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:14:37] <taemun> lewellyn: the text installer?[17:14:44] <lewellyn> taemun: caiman encompasses all three installers[17:14:56] <lewellyn> 08:15 @lewellyn: i don't know. i haven't used it[17:14:57] <taemun> apologies[17:15:03] <taemun> and oki ;)[17:15:04] <Killsudo> I think I found it[17:15:19] <taemun> I've only ever seen "caiman" associated with the text installer[17:15:24] <Killsudo> appears Centos was haveing issues with nfsv4 and solaris is showing activity on nfsv4 now[17:15:25] <ArcAngel> Solaris 10 also does ZFS[17:15:27] <ArcAngel> right[17:15:30] <taemun> ie, that genunix url up there[17:15:52] <tsoome> Killsudo: now?[17:16:02] <tsoome> solaris 10 is 5 years old.[17:16:08] <ArcAngel> i wonder why they chose for opensol here[17:16:14] <ArcAngel> when you can also use sol 10[17:16:38] <lewellyn> taemun: yes, that url is unfortunately misleading[17:16:40] <lblume> Solaris 10 is full of old bugs. With osol, you get to use the brand new bugs that nobody knows yet.[17:16:45] <lewellyn> but since it's not part of indiana yet...[17:16:53] <Killsudo> tsoome: yup[17:16:55] <Netwolf> tsoome: I always forget that. Good marketing strategy though, as in 2010, Solaris 10 sounds updated.[17:17:30] <Stric> or you can say that it's about half a year old[17:17:55] <lewellyn> which is equally accurate, yes[17:18:44] <Killsudo> I updated nfs-utils and nfs-utils-lib and now no kernel panic[17:18:52] <Killsudo> seems to be running the backup fine[17:19:11] <lewellyn> so it sounds like i was spot on with them "fixing" something[17:19:15] <Killsudo> nm[17:19:18] <Killsudo> kernel panic[17:20:24] *** milek has quit IRC[17:20:36] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris[17:21:10] <lewellyn> use nfsv3, for starters[17:21:24] <lewellyn> i've had to drop back to v2 a few times, even[17:21:57] *** fleyta has quit IRC[17:24:03] *** boyd has quit IRC[17:27:30] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[17:31:07] *** stewart has quit IRC[17:31:32] *** calumb has quit IRC[17:34:36] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[17:34:54] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[17:38:28] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[17:45:59] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[17:47:27] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[17:50:28] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[17:50:29] <Killsudo> lewellyn: manually mounted the nfs mount and even specified nfsv3 and it transferred 630mbs[17:50:36] <Killsudo> then the client machine paniced ....[17:50:53] <Killsudo> i dont get how it can blow thru 630mbs without issue but then crap out[17:51:30] *** TommyTheKid has quit IRC[17:53:11] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[17:53:21] <ShadowHntr> sounds like perhaps a variable is of too small of a data type, or something like that[17:53:40] <ShadowHntr> in the nfs code[17:53:52] <ShadowHntr> or maybe a filesystem limitation?[17:54:21] <Killsudo> im starting to wonder[17:54:32] <Triskelios> instead of speculating, I would suggest reading the panic message[17:54:51] <ShadowHntr> yeah what does it say - is there a stack trace?[17:54:53] *** cfs has quit IRC[17:55:57] *** cfs has joined #opensolaris[17:56:39] <zazenrasta> text install (slim install) does not include GDM[17:57:18] <Triskelios> the instructions say so, in fact[17:58:32] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[17:59:21] *** m4rku5 has joined #opensolaris[18:00:07] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[18:01:23] *** ma3x has joined #opensolaris[18:02:58] *** lblume has quit IRC[18:03:16] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[18:03:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[18:03:50] *** _RoyK has joined #opensolaris[18:06:12] *** PhlowX has joined #opensolaris[18:08:02] <jbit> windows vista: it just spent about an hour installing a service pack, failed, and now it's spending about an hour reverting hte changes[18:08:13] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[18:08:55] <deet> i keep having strange trouble with a secondary NIC in my opensolaris machine[18:09:13] <deet> i can ifconfig rge1 inet static 192.168.3.201 … and then ifconfig -a shows it properly[18:09:41] <deet> but then if i ifconfig rge1 up, ifconfig -a shows it unconfigured again[18:09:55] <deet> i can plumb and unplumb it just fine[18:10:14] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[18:10:28] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[18:10:32] <deet> also, rge0 works perfectly[18:10:34] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[18:10:48] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[18:12:46] <sstallion_work> deet: how did you configure rge1?[18:12:59] <sstallion_work> (you cannot go from a plumb directly to an up and expect it to work)[18:13:05] <sstallion_work> try:[18:13:18] <sstallion_work> ifconfig rge1 <ip> netmask <netmask> broadcast + up[18:13:31] <deet> oh … it went ifconfig rge1 plumb, ifconfig rge1 inet 192.168.3.201/24; ifconfig up[18:13:45] <sstallion_work> try the above and see if there is any difference[18:13:53] <deet> wokeydoke[18:14:40] <deet> oh hmm, now rge1 has disappeared[18:14:45] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[18:14:48] <deet> ifconfig: SIOCSLIFNAME for ip: rge1: Invalid argument[18:14:55] <sstallion_work> did you plumb the interface?[18:15:09] <deet> that error is what happens now when i try to plumb[18:15:37] <sstallion_work> did you unplumb the interface?[18:16:07] <deet> not that i know of… at least, it was plumbed last night when i gave up on this[18:16:14] <deet> i had to reboot this morning because SMB was hung[18:16:18] <sstallion_work> umplumb it, then plumb it again[18:16:22] <sstallion_work> and issue the above ifconfig line[18:16:34] <deet> ifconfig: unplumb: SIOCGLIFFLAGS: rge1: no such interface[18:16:37] *** lattera has quit IRC[18:16:56] <sstallion_work> could you pastebin your session?[18:17:19] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:17:43] <deet> http://pastebin.com/1iVYkEVt[18:17:46] *** wewek has quit IRC[18:18:14] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[18:18:40] <sstallion_work> thats not rge1[18:18:44] <sstallion_work> thats a virtual interface[18:18:46] <sstallion_work> rge0:1[18:18:50] <deet> right[18:18:51] *** andersenep has quit IRC[18:18:56] <deet> rge1 *should* be the second NIC[18:19:06] <deet> it was there last night, like i said[18:19:17] *** victori has quit IRC[18:19:18] <sstallion_work> alright[18:19:20] <sstallion_work> issue devfsadm -C[18:19:31] <sstallion_work> Andys^: touch /reconfigure && reboot -f[18:19:35] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[18:19:47] <sstallion_work> (completion foul - should be read as 'and:'[18:20:46] <deet> k rebooting now[18:20:52] <ShadowHntr> DUH[18:20:57] <ShadowHntr> that's the one thing i forgot to try[18:21:15] <ShadowHntr> switching from NAT to bridged adapter in virtualbox on my osol vm gums it up[18:21:39] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: i plan on ordering a machine one way or another today or tomorrow. with luck i'll have something up before you're ready, if things go forward :)[18:22:04] *** lblume has quit IRC[18:22:32] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[18:23:07] <gavino> :)[18:23:17] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: no worries, I picked up efe again last night. It would be nice if these guys had some documentation so we could clean-room the implementation.[18:23:21] *** syamajala has quit IRC[18:23:22] <sstallion_work> That would make dealing with ARC much easier[18:23:40] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[18:24:01] <deet> yeah, rge1 is just gone[18:24:07] <sstallion_work> the code is relatively well written, even if it is for linux - porting it wouldn't be tough[18:24:09] <deet> maybe this has been a bad adapter all along[18:24:16] <sstallion_work> deet: are you certain you have a second adapter?[18:24:24] <sstallion_work> (and that its an rge capable device)[18:24:28] <deet> haha yes, it's sitting right there next to the working one[18:24:31] <deet> they're identical cards[18:24:34] *** mikefut has quit IRC[18:24:36] <sstallion_work> s/capable/supported/[18:24:40] <deet> link lights on both[18:24:45] <deet> rge0 works great, same card[18:24:47] <sstallion_work> look at dmesg[18:25:50] <gavino> im hung[18:26:24] <deet> aha … kern.error, DL_ATTACH_REQ failed, DL_BIND_REQ failed, DL_PHYS_ADDR_REQ failed …[18:27:14] *** twilling has quit IRC[18:27:19] *** merzo has quit IRC[18:28:10] <Triskelios> deet: need more context... also what does dladm show-link; dladm show-phys say?[18:28:22] <deet> show-link and show-phys only list the working rge0[18:29:04] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: we'll see what the other microsoft folks have to say today. it may be worth postponing this a bit regardless: it sounds like they want to do a massive restructuring/simplification[18:29:07] <deet> here's the relevant chunk of dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/SDCB5bVn[18:30:04] <deet> here's with the rge0 entries for comparison http://pastebin.com/iTvR4rki[18:31:09] *** EisNerd has quit IRC[18:31:22] <sstallion_work> deet: something is interfering with attaching the device - it could very well be bad hardware.[18:31:32] <sstallion_work> I'd suggest trying different slots and different cards to verify[18:32:20] *** EisNerd has joined #opensolaris[18:33:05] <kohju> someone knows how to check the my cpu support nested paging?[18:33:32] <Triskelios> deet: are the devices present in prtconf / scanpci?[18:34:01] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[18:34:07] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[18:36:03] <deet> yeah prtconf only shows the one rge0, not rge1[18:36:33] *** wrapster has joined #opensolaris[18:36:43] <wrapster> im trying to resolve a network driver issue and was told to check if 'plumb' was being executed twice on the same NIC.. How do i clarify whether or not its plumb'ing twice>? Just to recap here is my issue...http://pastie.org/909643[18:37:14] <kohju> I don't know short names printed by isainfo -v.[18:37:15] <Triskelios> deet: think your cards are MIA[18:37:28] <deet> yeah, scanpci doesn't show it either[18:37:29] <deet> sigh[18:37:35] <deet> i'll try other slots i guess[18:37:42] <deet> bugger[18:39:27] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[18:40:24] <bdrewery> where can I get SXCE so I can get this BMC driver?[18:40:40] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris[18:41:07] *** stewart has quit IRC[18:41:10] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[18:41:26] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[18:42:29] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[18:43:08] *** eXeC001er has joined #opensolaris[18:43:13] <eXeC001er> Hi[18:43:48] *** boyd_ has quit IRC[18:44:05] <eXeC001er> Which python-version is default in latest OS?[18:44:27] <bdrewery> 2.6.4[18:44:30] *** snuff-home2 has joined #opensolaris[18:44:38] <bdrewery> in 134[18:44:38] <eXeC001er> O_o[18:46:02] *** Mick27 has quit IRC[18:46:03] *** pablomh has quit IRC[18:46:16] <Triskelios> bdrewery: you can only legally get SXCE if you downloaded it prior to the cutoff date[18:46:29] *** tg has quit IRC[18:46:30] <eXeC001er> why zfs depends on the python2.4 ?[18:46:35] <gavino> I love big women![18:46:58] <Triskelios> bdrewery: that said, sunfreepacks.com is violating the licence for you...[18:47:00] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[18:47:30] <Triskelios> eXeC001er: it does?[18:47:44] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[18:48:03] *** hrist has quit IRC[18:48:06] <Stric> eXeC001er: because some stuff is implemented in python.. like userquota "UI"[18:48:40] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris[18:48:50] <eXeC001er> Stric: i mean version.[18:49:05] *** snuff-home2 has quit IRC[18:49:30] <Stric> eXeC001er: oh.. too vague question then.. no idea. maybe hasn't been validated against newer stuff, or doesn't work against newer stuff.. or.. something[18:49:31] <eXeC001er> Stric: I'm talking about the version.[18:49:33] *** snuff-home has joined #opensolaris[18:49:52] <eXeC001er> Stric: Thanks[18:50:38] <Triskelios> might just be a matter of pointing the bindings at the new directory[18:51:26] *** megaTherion has quit IRC[18:51:43] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[18:51:52] *** megaTherion has joined #opensolaris[18:51:59] *** dave-t has joined #opensolaris[18:55:18] <Triskelios> heh, it's the only python2.4 consumer in ON[18:55:27] *** leito has quit IRC[18:55:39] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[18:56:41] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[18:57:21] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[18:58:21] *** melbogia1 has joined #opensolaris[19:00:53] *** melbogia has quit IRC[19:02:27] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:02:51] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[19:02:58] *** houst0n has left #opensolaris[19:04:46] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[19:06:13] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[19:08:20] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:09:31] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[19:09:37] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[19:14:16] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[19:15:53] *** Erwann has quit IRC[19:17:01] *** dunc has quit IRC[19:17:09] *** zazenrasta has quit IRC[19:19:36] *** dave-t has quit IRC[19:19:54] *** t3h_realadamd has quit IRC[19:20:57] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[19:21:32] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[19:21:59] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[19:25:00] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:28:14] <kohju> hmm please tell me how to check my cpu supports nested paging ?[19:28:30] <gavino> how do I view what my nic speed is?[19:28:34] <gavino> 100m vs 1000m?[19:29:01] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[19:29:26] <sstallion_work> gavino: dladm show-phys <if>[19:31:19] *** fedreric has quit IRC[19:32:31] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[19:33:23] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[19:34:45] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[19:35:54] <lewellyn> kohju: only i7 does, iirc[19:36:03] <lewellyn> core* and older certainly don't[19:36:47] <kohju> some opteron support nested paging?(Rapid Virtual Indexing?)??[19:37:08] <lewellyn> no clue :)[19:37:13] <lewellyn> ask ##hardware maybe? :)[19:37:19] <kohju> we can know by isainfo?[19:37:27] * lewellyn doesn't know, sadly[19:37:38] *** datadigger has joined #opensolaris[19:38:04] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[19:38:10] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[19:38:15] *** timsf has quit IRC[19:38:23] *** held has quit IRC[19:38:31] <gavino> opensol had rsync?[19:38:33] <gavino> has-[19:38:34] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[19:38:45] <kohju> sure.[19:38:46] <lewellyn> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/[19:39:14] *** jnss has quit IRC[19:39:49] *** mikefut has quit IRC[19:40:31] <gavino> trying to rsync from freebsd to opensol[19:40:32] <gavino> lol[19:40:35] <gavino> just hangs[19:40:41] <gavino> rsync installed on both..[19:40:42] <gavino> ![19:40:56] <gavino> rsync -avPze ssh prod_ap_tom.tgz hank@fatman:/datapool/prodconfig/[19:40:56] <gavino> Password:[19:40:56] <gavino> sending incremental file list[19:41:00] <gavino> [hanging][19:42:07] <lattera> so linux and windows crawls on my work box[19:42:11] <lattera> but opensolaris screams[19:42:15] <lattera> <3 opensolaris[19:42:21] *** Tusk has left #opensolaris[19:44:45] *** held has joined #opensolaris[19:45:43] *** SS_ has joined #opensolaris[19:45:49] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[19:45:49] <SS_> hey[19:46:16] <SS_> I had the update[19:47:27] <SS_> and then I have many problems with my Opensolaris snv_129. I did "import zpool -f /rescue -R rpool" when I had downloaded with using LiveCd Opensolaris[19:48:09] <SS_> that I did because after my update from snv_129 to snv_130 my Free Space was ended[19:48:39] <SS_> how can I receive acsess to my files in /etc ?[19:49:39] <SS_> I have copied my files from /export/home/ss and had fun in it. But I also want to copy my files in /etc directory[19:49:57] <SS_> anyone help me please !!![19:51:01] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:51:01] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:52:30] <gavino> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-March/017650.html[19:53:04] <gavino> http://technoninja.blogspot.com/2010/04/opensol-dev-repo.html[19:56:17] <CIA-21> Chris Liu <Chris.Liu at Sun dot COM>: 6903174 18GB Zeus SAS SSDs are not recognized by scsi_vhci as a multipath device[19:56:18] <CIA-21> David Valin <David.Valin at Sun dot COM>: 6538954 kmem_cache_alloc() doesn't scale for anon structure allocations when cache magazines are empty[19:56:19] <CIA-21> Stacey Marshall <Stacey.Marshall at Sun dot COM>: 6936684 libresolv2 update breaks users of _res, 6908650 ifconfig can't configure static ip address if dns before files in nsswitch.conf[19:56:22] <CIA-21> Chris Kirby <Chris.Kirby at sun dot com>: 6891449 zvol_strategy() check for zv == NULL too late, 6911444 rebooting off snapshot: assertion failed: vfsp->vfs_count != 0 (common/fs/vfs.c), 6649967 multiple '/' exist in path will confuse zinject, 6935668 zvol_minor_lookup() can return wrong zvol[19:56:23] <CIA-21> Bill Taylor <William.Taylor at Oracle dot COM>: 6939784 potential double free in hermon_ci_map_mem_area()[19:56:25] <CIA-21> Renee Danson Sommerfeld <Renee.Sommerfeld at Oracle dot COM>: 6940941 makefile for nwamd includes unneeded--and broken--references[19:56:37] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[19:59:01] <randw> SS_, zfs set mountpoint=/rescue/xxx rpool/ROOT/<dataset_you_need_access>[19:59:19] <randw> then zfs mount rpool/ROOT/<dataset_you_need_access>[19:59:45] <SS_> anyone help me please !!![20:00:05] *** plat- has quit IRC[20:00:07] <SS_> randw THANKS[20:00:45] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[20:00:50] *** nikolam has quit IRC[20:01:07] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[20:01:28] *** twilling has quit IRC[20:01:45] *** peanut_ has joined #opensolaris[20:02:18] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[20:03:08] <peanut_> /ping hedonista[20:03:25] *** bubbva has quit IRC[20:04:10] *** peanut_ has quit IRC[20:04:33] <Triskelios> gdamore: I just paniced in audio:auclnt_open[20:04:54] <Triskelios> doing xxd /dev/dsp1 to test a usb_ac device[20:05:19] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[20:06:26] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[20:07:16] *** sipior has quit IRC[20:07:55] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[20:08:15] *** crichardso has quit IRC[20:10:45] *** SS_ has quit IRC[20:11:39] *** leito has quit IRC[20:11:50] *** gdamore has quit IRC[20:12:06] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris[20:12:17] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[20:17:10] <trygvis> if I have a load of 1.0+ but virtually no CPU usage, how can I figure out which processes are causing the big load?[20:17:24] <trygvis> there's no IO going on either[20:18:19] *** lattera has quit IRC[20:19:17] <jamesd2> trygvis, not sure, but sounds like a job for dtrace .. probably need to look for processes that are ready to run...[20:21:53] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[20:23:15] *** JDuke128 has quit IRC[20:24:19] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[20:25:08] <lewellyn> um... does this look abnormal to anyone else?[20:25:16] <lewellyn> 24456 daemon 6 59 0 3603M 2564M sleep 25:35 0.00% idmapd[20:25:26] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[20:25:34] <lewellyn> all it's doing is sleeping :([20:25:44] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[20:26:11] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[20:26:59] *** PrickelPit has joined #opensolaris[20:27:41] *** melbogia1 has quit IRC[20:27:44] <Triskelios> do { (void) malloc(1024*1024) } while (!sleep(1));[20:28:20] <lewellyn> that looks about like it[20:28:25] *** comay has quit IRC[20:28:28] <lewellyn> i have a LOT of free memory after a restart[20:28:36] <lewellyn> funny. every time i complain about something, comay quits[20:28:54] <jamesd2> 457 daemon 11M 3256K sleep 59 0 0:00:00 0.0% idmapd/5[20:28:54] <jamesd2>[20:28:56] <lewellyn> (restart of the service. this isn't windows!)[20:29:23] <jamesd2> i haven't done much with the box since the power went down yesterday...[20:29:25] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[20:30:00] <Triskelios> lewellyn: give it a pid$target::malloc:entry{ ustack(); }?[20:30:53] <lewellyn> Triskelios: i already restarted the service[20:31:11] <lewellyn> it's using little enough ram now that i can't get it in the output of top or prsat[20:31:53] *** hrist has quit IRC[20:32:41] <Triskelios> if you know it will start ballooning after a while, leave the probes running and come back when it does[20:32:57] <lewellyn> i don't know that it will. i'll watch it sporadically[20:33:03] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris[20:33:05] <jamesd2> lewellyn, prstat -u daemon[20:33:44] <lewellyn> 16024 daemon 18M 8240K sleep 59 0 0:00:00 0.0% idmapd/4[20:33:49] <Triskelios> libumem's logging can also help if you don't want to write D[20:33:53] <lewellyn> jamesd2: already got it ;)[20:34:38] * lewellyn was trying the WrongThing(tm), of course, to get the list trimmed :)[20:35:31] * Triskelios files a CR for the Boomer crash...[20:36:19] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[20:36:34] *** milek has quit IRC[20:38:22] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[20:41:07] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[20:41:10] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[20:41:13] * trygvis waits for b135[20:41:20] <trygvis> or whatever the next build is[20:41:47] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[20:41:49] <lewellyn> 134f :)[20:41:56] <trygvis> yeah[20:43:29] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[20:43:36] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[20:43:54] *** tg has quit IRC[20:44:03] <baza11215> can someone give me advice on an issue I'm running into. I have a SuperMicro X8DTH-6F and am getting pcie faults on b134, similar to this: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=394447񠓏[20:44:08] *** ravenslay3r has joined #opensolaris[20:44:14] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[20:44:25] <baza11215> the system works fine on b131 and prior[20:44:51] <baza11215> I dont have a kernel mod pcie_pci, was that changed in later builds?[20:44:53] <ravenslay3r> G'afternoon all :)[20:45:37] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[20:45:48] <lewellyn> is it just me, or do others misread kcfd as kfcd when they get hungry?[20:46:25] <ravenslay3r> smrt: explain kcfd[20:46:26] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about kcfd...[20:46:34] <ravenslay3r> smrt: explain kfcd[20:46:35] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about kfcd...[20:46:37] <ravenslay3r> ...[20:46:52] <lewellyn> smrt doesn't have whatis yet[20:47:00] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[20:47:13] <lewellyn> not till after i get osol up in production somewhere :)[20:47:31] *** dajhorn has joined #opensolaris[20:47:40] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[20:47:47] <ravenslay3r> lol, whatis doesn't seem to be working on my system either..[20:47:57] <jamesd2> lewellyn, might be nice to have it print a link to a docs.sun.com manpage link like smrt: man zfs[20:48:32] <jamesd2> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5166/zfs-1m?a=view[20:49:04] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[20:49:47] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[20:50:01] <ravenslay3r> am I allowed to ask "IF 2010.03 will be released?"[20:50:33] <lewellyn> jamesd2: i plan on adding all the man stuff together[20:51:02] <lewellyn> smrtbot's not a paying project so it gets sidelined more than i'd like. i have a real todo list, amazingly, for it ;)[20:51:04] <jamesd2> ravenslay3r, yes, but we are free to tell you read the nice /topic[20:51:21] <lewellyn> and we're also free to point you at the various threads on the various -discuss aliases[20:53:05] <ravenslay3r> jamesd2 .. yeah i read it .. it says "we don't know when" which is fine, but it begs the question of "will it be released .. at all?"[20:53:33] <lewellyn> which is discussed to death on the lists and no one here has anything more to add :)[20:53:59] <jamesd2> ravenslay3r, yes its coming.. we dont know when, some answers are, when its ready... yes its coming.. how else is oracle going to get free beta testing for solaris 11 and beyond.[20:54:36] *** hsp has quit IRC[20:54:40] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[20:54:47] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[20:54:53] <lewellyn> huge thread at [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?[20:54:57] <trygvis> hm, is there no command to dump the environment of a running process?[20:55:16] <lewellyn> trygvis: i wondered that, briefly, last weekend.[20:55:22] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[20:55:27] <lewellyn> then i accidentally killed it and didn't need to know anymore :)[20:56:15] <ravenslay3r> jamesd2 that answers my question :) lewellyn i'll look up the thread[20:57:23] *** astra-x has quit IRC[20:58:00] *** ThePickle has joined #opensolaris[20:58:28] <jamesd2> man trygvis pargs -e <pid> your google foo is week[20:58:51] <hunter> can pkg be used to install local files? IE pkg install ./foo.pkg?[20:58:59] <hunter> Or am I misunderstanding?[20:58:59] <jamesd2> s/^man//[20:59:17] <Triskelios> hunter: no, pkg(5) has no single-file "stream" format[20:59:28] <jamesd2> http://yong321.freeshell.org/computer/ProcEnv.txt[20:59:38] <Triskelios> hunter: SVR4 packages did, and you can still use pkgadd to install those[20:59:56] <Auralis> but .pkg is old sysV5 tyle package, so pkgadd -d file.pkg is supposed towork[21:00:03] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[21:00:14] <hunter> ok[21:00:15] *** jcpierce has joined #opensolaris[21:01:01] <Triskelios> hunter: pkg will not be aware of SVR4 packages, you need to use legacy commands to manage them[21:02:16] <hunter> I wouldn't know legacy from non-legacy. And foo.pkg vs 'pkg' as a command isn't helping.[21:03:28] <hunter> But pkgadd -d looks like what I want (via the man page)[21:06:02] <hunter> I might learn to have tsm.[21:06:42] <Triskelios> pkg is the (single) command for the new system, pkg{add,rm,info,chk,conv...} are for the old one[21:06:46] *** apinski has left #opensolaris[21:10:42] <trygvis> jamesd2: aah, I knew there was a p* command for that. was looking in the wrong man page :)[21:10:45] <trygvis> thanks![21:10:46] <trygvis> lewellyn: ^^[21:11:19] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[21:11:55] <hunter> Triskelios: if I had a new type package, can you install it locally with pkg? IE, "pkg install ./new_style.whatever" ?[21:12:04] <hunter> Or does it only handle network installs?[21:13:00] <Triskelios> only network installs. some package sets are distributed as something you can import into a local package server (and probably in the future a stream format will do something similar)[21:13:38] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[21:13:54] <Triskelios> it's all explicitly referring to a publisher right now[21:13:56] <ivo_> HEy guys, I am trieng to install osol on SIL3124-2 controller[21:14:03] <ivo_> the installation runs fine[21:14:08] *** leito has quit IRC[21:14:09] <ivo_> but after reboot[21:14:18] <ivo_> I am presented with the grub shell[21:14:26] <ivo_> and I have no Idea what I have to do[21:15:03] <trygvis> hm, given a start() sh function like this http://pastie.org/909904, shouldn't the bin/java process inherit the environment of the SMF method?[21:15:18] <Triskelios> ivo_: try booting with the live CD and reinstalling GRUB[21:15:48] <trygvis> the environment seems to be reset to something: http://pastie.org/909905[21:16:14] <robinbowes> Nice topic :)[21:16:56] <tsoome> trygvis: and the issue is?[21:17:32] <trygvis> it's not inheriting it?[21:19:20] <ivo_> Triskelios, i am reboting now[21:20:03] *** raichoo has quit IRC[21:20:24] <ivo_> still not working[21:20:53] <Triskelios> ivo_: you imported the pool and ran installgrub?[21:20:54] <tsoome> you mean, there is no JETTY_HOME, INSTANCE_PATH?[21:21:01] <trygvis> for example, yes[21:21:14] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[21:21:24] <trygvis> but PATH is not inherited either[21:21:49] <ivo_> is it possible that it can not load the driver[21:21:54] <ivo_> and can not find the kernel[21:22:24] <Triskelios> ivo_: no, GRUB has its own drivers builtin[21:22:26] <tsoome> how did you set those env variables?[21:22:44] <trygvis> how is that relevant? they where passed in to the smf method[21:22:56] <Triskelios> ivo_: or rather, it uses the BIOS calls to access disks, and it has filesystem support[21:23:49] <Triskelios> ivo_: it's possible your controller doesn't work properly with the BIOS[21:23:52] *** stewart has quit IRC[21:24:23] <ivo_> thats possible I get some GEN_ATA 0x3 errors[21:24:33] <Triskelios> (people usually don't boot off this type of controller)[21:24:49] *** ma3x has quit IRC[21:25:00] <ivo_> I can boot from the built in controller[21:25:07] <ivo_> it is not a problem[21:25:15] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[21:25:21] <ivo_> but I wanted to use the new one for boot[21:25:23] *** ma3x_ is now known as ma3x[21:25:27] <ivo_> and the built in for data[21:26:04] *** melbogia has quit IRC[21:27:09] <ivo_> is it a good Idea to have two diwsks in one mirror on different controllers???[21:27:19] *** boyd has quit IRC[21:27:52] *** ozux has quit IRC[21:28:05] <Stric> depends on what you're trying to achieve[21:28:50] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[21:28:51] <ivo_> Speed[21:29:03] <ivo_> I want to increase transfer speed[21:29:06] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris[21:29:08] <ivo_> and stability[21:29:15] <ivo_> if one controller dies[21:29:21] <ivo_> I still have the other one[21:30:47] <lewellyn> trygvis: thanks for the highlight, but the process is long since dead :)[21:32:21] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[21:33:54] <ivo_> so what do you think??[21:35:26] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[21:35:32] <Stric> I think you can apply common sense (although it's a rare super power)[21:36:04] <Stric> if you want to survive a controller death (which isn't that common), then having disks on different controllers will help[21:37:31] <Triskelios> it might improve your throughput, but possibly at the expense of more CPU load[21:38:52] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[21:39:28] <Atomdrache> More common than folks like to think. 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I just have the production authority.[22:40:50] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[22:41:47] <comay> hunter GNU emacs is in the standard repository[22:42:14] <comay> pkg list -a '*emacs*'[22:44:22] *** gin0-tdp has left #opensolaris[22:44:27] *** julia_set- has joined #opensolaris[22:45:05] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[22:46:10] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[22:46:17] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[22:47:49] *** gebi has quit IRC[22:48:45] <hunter> pkg list | grep -i macs[22:48:51] <hunter> was the command I attempted to find it[22:49:02] <hunter> was the command I used to attempt to find it.[22:49:14] <hunter> yoda speak like TSM has me made.[22:49:41] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[22:49:47] <Triskelios> hunter: list is for installed packages[22:49:50] <gavino> replce everything with opensolaris![22:49:53] <gavino> replace[22:50:00] *** caldwell has quit IRC[22:50:48] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[22:50:59] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[22:51:12] <hunter> ahhh[22:51:20] <hunter> Thats ... annoying, but now makes sense.[22:51:21] <Triskelios> hunter: list -a or search[22:51:24] *** baza11215 has left #opensolaris[22:52:16] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[22:53:07] *** Gugge_ has joined #opensolaris[22:54:28] <balrog> so anyonw have any ideas for what to do with blade 150's to make them usable for development and web browsing and general use?[22:54:45] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[22:54:48] <balrog> anyone *[22:56:23] *** Gugge has quit IRC[22:58:06] *** twisti has quit IRC[22:58:28] *** jaywalkish has joined #opensolaris[22:58:57] <gavino> load opensolaris![22:59:02] <gavino> :)[22:59:54] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[23:00:28] <gavino> ;)[23:00:31] <gavino> ;)[23:01:17] <Triskelios> I'm tempted to suggest "get a time machine, set it to 2002"[23:01:31] <alanc> balrog: sell them on ebay and buy netbooks?[23:02:12] *** jaywalkish is now known as jaywalk[23:02:15] <gavino> load openbsd!![23:02:29] *** RoyK^ has joined 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<balrog> :\[23:39:29] *** pgr has quit IRC[23:39:35] <alanc> well, Solaris 10 should still work fine on them then[23:39:46] <balrog> yea, but it lags like hell[23:40:52] <gavino> what is a good way to test disk performance?[23:40:52] <CosmicDJ> try ufs instead of zfs, cde and not gnome, etc.[23:41:00] <balrog> well yea, it's with ufs[23:41:06] <balrog> but what if not gnome?[23:41:10] <RoyK^> virtualbox on osol seems to be rather crappy[23:41:11] <balrog> cde is deprecated[23:41:18] <CosmicDJ> it's still there in sol10[23:41:23] <balrog> it's there[23:41:29] <richlowe> By "works fine on them" I believe Alan probably means "works as badly as it always has"[23:41:36] <richlowe> rather than "works in some way you'd actually enjoy"[23:41:37] <zedrich> RoyK: why[23:41:37] <balrog> also most people don't know how to use it (solaris 9 had gnome)[23:42:00] <RoyK^> zedrich: makes the box crash repeatedly, that is, hang[23:42:10] <CosmicDJ> people who don't know how to use a desktop should not use a computer at all IMHO ;)[23:42:36] <RoyK^> zedrich: the same VMs on an overcommited ubuntu server with far less cpu and memory works well[23:42:57] <seanmcg> gavino, filebench, vdbench[23:43:06] <CosmicDJ> RoyK^: did you file a bug?[23:43:17] <CosmicDJ> +report[23:43:24] <RoyK^> yes[23:43:30] <CosmicDJ> good[23:43:31] <RoyK^> to vbox[23:43:38] <CosmicDJ> even better[23:43:38] <RoyK^> since I think that's the cause[23:44:27] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[23:44:34] <RoyK^> I'd love to use osol on this box for zfs and so on, but I guess I'll be rolling back to linux[23:44:46] <zedrich> RoyK: latest versions of everything i sassume. also, Ive had my VMs lock up in vbox on fedora when using raw devices.[23:45:43] <zedrich> RoyK: try this - install ubuntu, install vbox... make additional partitions (or just leave raw devices) for the stuff you were gunna use ZFS on[23:45:45] <RoyK^> no raw devices here[23:45:46] <RoyK^> just zfs[23:45:54] <zedrich> you just hav 1 disk?[23:46:06] <RoyK^> latest version of vbox, of couse, but still on 111b][23:46:13] <zedrich> what Ive done and works very well[23:46:37] <CosmicDJ> 111*b* for buggy? ;)[23:46:39] <zedrich> is on my base OS (windows 7 or fedora) .. create an opensolaris VM, pass it raw devices / partitions[23:46:45] *** gretel has quit IRC[23:46:50] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[23:46:51] <jbk> RoyK^: are you using bridging mode for the nics?[23:46:52] <zedrich> RoyK: what they are saying is right.. 111b seems hated around here[23:46:56] <alanc> yes, "works fine" means "as well as you can expect on a 7 year old 650Mhz CPU" - they weren't incredibly fast machines when they weren't years past their prime[23:47:11] <RoyK^> just a zfs mirror[23:47:12] <RoyK^> the VMs weren't using anything special[23:47:12] <RoyK^> just some stuff on nfs, which should be fine[23:47:38] <RoyK^> jbk: yes[23:47:46] <zedrich> RoyK: hmm wonder if your totally following. guess thats why Im going to productize my architecture[23:47:52] <RoyK^> jbk: anything else would be stupid - I want them as VMs, not anything else[23:47:53] <Stric> alanc: we considered buying some when they were new, but figured they were kinda too slow even when they were just introduced[23:48:14] *** stewart has quit IRC[23:48:33] <jbk> RoyK^: hopefully soon that will be fixed -- i've found the vmbox kernel bits (specifically the network shim they use) is notoriously prone to deadlocks[23:48:40] <jbk> err vbox[23:49:01] <alanc> I had a Sun Blade 100 (prototype actually) as my desktop for several years, until I got a SB 2500 to replace it - it wasn't horrible, but it really helped to upgrade the RAM to 1gb, thanks to cheap PC133 memory prices[23:49:13] <RoyK^> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/6505[23:49:15] <jbk> there's a very recently filed case where they will start using the crossbow bits directly (which i'm hoping means it will eliminate the problematic shim)[23:49:33] <ThePickle> how does one show paths for iscsi targets from the initiator side? i.e. connected, active paths for a given target?[23:49:34] <CosmicDJ> alanc: and nowadays you're sitting in front of a sun ray?[23:49:39] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris[23:49:39] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:49:44] <alanc> yes[23:50:16] <alanc> the SB2500 and a U27 are still here, but only the Sun Ray lets me work from office & home with the same session in both places, to not lose state[23:50:41] <RoyK^> jbk: I found the box was somehow reacting when on the console, but otherwise quite dead - it stops answering to even pings for minutes or hours[23:50:55] <seanmcg> alanc - I run vncsession off me desktop at work for that..[23:51:11] <sstallion_work> alanc: have you had a chance to play with the ray 3 yet?[23:51:27] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[23:51:27] <alanc> sstallion_work: seen one at a distance, not used one[23:51:32] <jbk> RoyK^: if you really want to figure it out, boot the host with kmdb + serial console, and attach a null modem cable to ttya + force a panic after it hangs[23:51:34] <sstallion_work> ahh bummer[23:51:48] *** panos has quit IRC[23:51:51] <sstallion_work> I'm wondering how much faster it is - I'd consider picking one up to replace the ray 2 at home[23:52:08] <alanc> seanmcg: I suppose I could do that - the other advantage of Sun Ray is it leaves the actual computers free for testing X servers one[23:52:09] *** boyd_ has quit IRC[23:52:49] <alanc> besides, then I'd notice how broken VNC is, instead of just seeing the user complaints fly by and go into someone else's bug queue[23:53:13] *** richb has quit IRC[23:53:24] <RoyK^> jbk: I'll do that if I can find time to it - most probably I'll roll back to something that just works[23:53:30] <jbk> RoyK^: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/driver-discuss/2009-September/004106.html[23:53:31] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[23:53:41] <jbk> i wouldn't be surprised if you see something like that (if you feel like digging into mdb)[23:54:06] <zedrich> hmm i see weird stuff on my osol VM ... like I/O errors, 'no more space' errors... all from eclipse.[23:54:11] *** eleusis has quit IRC[23:54:57] <RoyK^> jbk: huh - is this e1000 specific?[23:55:15] <jbk> no[23:55:19] <jbk> i thought it was, but it's not[23:55:29] <jbk> basically the vboxdrv has a deadlock[23:55:33] *** ThePickle has quit IRC[23:55:38] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[23:56:03] <CIA-21> Ric Aleshire <Ric.Aleshire at Sun dot COM>: 6930532 pam_tsol_account not added to local zone pam.conf now i.pamconf no longer exists[23:56:04] <CIA-21> Sean Wilcox <Sean.Wilcox at Sun dot COM>: 6941374 manifestfile location is not updated when a service with only hand crafted instances is moved[23:56:08] <RoyK^> jbk: strange thing it's opensolaris specific - the systems work well on ubuntu[23:56:14] <seanmcg> alanc you foiled my cunning plan of getting you to use vnc and fix those bugs, damnit :)[23:56:24] <jbk> RoyK^: well the kernel drivers are going to be different[23:56:56] <jbk> in this case, i don't know if they ever implemented the suggested fix[23:57:00] <RoyK^> it would be nice of Sun^WOracle to make vbox work on their own platform[23:57:01] <alanc> seanmcg: thanks, but I've already got far more bugs than time to fix them[23:57:01] <zedrich> you guys have any pointers to how to get a stable opensolaris system? heh[23:57:06] <jbk> also i'm not sure if linux allows interrupts to be preempted[23:57:16] <brandon> what are the opensolaris platform constant(s) available to the c preprocessor?[23:57:20] <zedrich> eg, something beyond 111b[23:57:36] <RoyK^> jbk: most stuff can be preempted in linux[23:57:39] <jbk> RoyK^: well i get the impression that the vbox guys can be a bit stubborn at times[23:58:00] <zedrich> RoyK: just use linux[23:58:17] <zedrich> RoyK: you can still have zfs on linux ... no not FUSE, by using a well configured osol VM[23:58:32] <zedrich> RoyK: and i think its better than VDI for a lot of reasons[23:58:32] <CosmicDJ> well I'd first try a recent dev snapshot before switching to a diff. OS[23:59:03] <RoyK^> zedrich: heh - that's the answer from people that don't like comments on weaknesses in solaris, isn't it? if you you're not with us, you're with the terrorists![23:59:24] <zedrich> RoyK: naw Im not an osol zealout... i just like zfs and crossbow...[23:59:42] <jbk> well as i said, hopefully the better integration of crossbow + vbox will solve it[23:59:53] <zedrich> RoyK: Im just saying if you are seeing a bug then there is a pretty easy way around it... strangely though IT guys are just about the laziest Ive ever seen haha