April 7, 2010 
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April 7, 2010 [00:00:41] *** Reepicheep has quit IRC[00:00:51] <LaidBack_01> yeah, so zones don't come with sendmail installed by default, was just hoping there was something like ssmtp in linux for them, but I'll just work with sledmail[00:02:02] <gavino> would it be better to use hardware raid for 2xraid5 and then raidz 6 remaining disks of same size in an array I can't use hardware raid on?[00:02:11] <gavino> or let all disks go into raidz?[00:02:40] <gavino> I have 2 arrays with hardware raid and one I cant get into the hardware riad menu has 6 disks[00:02:44] <gavino> unraided[00:03:24] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[00:05:08] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[00:06:49] *** IPGHOST has joined #opensolaris[00:07:00] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[00:08:53] <macousi> i've chosen to have zfs do it all, for most of my setups[00:10:01] *** IPGHOST has quit IRC[00:10:24] *** bdrewery has joined #opensolaris[00:11:59] <bdrewery> I'm playing with 2009.06 on live cd. 6 scsi bays. `format' shows 6 drives? zfs import hangs and comaplins that sd2 is unresponsive until I put a disk in... sounds like a raid card creating virtual raid0 devices but I have no raid card or onboard controller... any ideas?[00:12:11] *** Netwolf has quit IRC[00:12:32] <gavino> when you install does zfs grab every free disk?[00:12:33] <bdrewery> this is with 1 drive in, if I put a drive in slot 2, it then complains about slot 3, all the way up to slot 6[00:12:39] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[00:12:44] <gavino> I think the other 36g disk might screw things up if i dont exclude it[00:12:49] <gavino> i am installing onto the first one[00:12:53] <gavino> ;)[00:13:09] <gavino> or is zfs so good it doesnt evne care[00:13:24] <gavino> it certainly caused freebsd gmirror gstripe some performance problems[00:13:30] <gavino> the 36 g disks[00:13:52] *** piwi has quit IRC[00:13:52] *** q5sys has quit IRC[00:14:01] *** deet has quit IRC[00:14:12] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[00:15:42] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[00:15:52] *** ozux has quit IRC[00:16:07] *** psychicist has quit IRC[00:16:33] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[00:18:10] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[00:18:12] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[00:19:20] *** Q5sys has joined #opensolaris[00:22:55] *** akhs has joined #opensolaris[00:23:01] <akhs> hi..[00:23:24] <akhs> I am in dillema, what problem I am facing..[00:23:45] <akhs> I am trying to connect two servers Sun Netra ..[00:24:04] <akhs> Connectivity of 10 gigs through fiber..[00:24:09] *** disharmony has quit IRC[00:24:26] <akhs> assigning both the server private IP but still not able to ping it up[00:24:42] <akhs> nxge1 links showing up on both the servers..[00:27:11] *** mikefut has quit IRC[00:27:23] <akhs> Is there anything i am missing it up??[00:28:43] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:28:46] <gavino> p to p might need different setup, are both plugged into a hub or switch?[00:28:54] *** hugo has quit IRC[00:28:55] <gavino> otherwise there is some point to point setup[00:29:43] <akhs> gavino, for remote connectivity both are connected to Switch.[00:30:25] <akhs> both Sun netra servers are directly connected with 10g fiber..[00:30:35] <gavino> oh that sounds like it should be working unless the switch has different vlans or something for the two ports..[00:30:58] <gavino> fiber also gets into some zoning stuff i have not done..[00:31:04] <gavino> if its SAN switch[00:31:59] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[00:32:05] <akhs> thing is that if they have direct connectivity and assigning them private IP than the logic says that I should ping it ..[00:32:08] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[00:32:22] <akhs> it is something strange..[00:33:07] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:33:32] *** andersenep has quit IRC[00:33:34] <gavino> same mask and default route etc?[00:33:36] <gavino> weird[00:33:37] <gavino> hm[00:33:42] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[00:33:55] <gavino> you can ping the switch?[00:33:59] *** heldchen has joined #opensolaris[00:34:06] <akhs> gavino, I dont think so to configure fibre it needs default route..[00:34:21] <akhs> mask is same..[00:34:55] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[00:35:06] <gavino> well I am over my head then, some of these guys will wake up, lots of brain in here[00:35:16] <akhs> hehehe,,,[00:35:23] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[00:35:48] <akhs> gavino, nobody is coming up..[00:35:56] <akhs> am banging my head too..[00:35:58] <akhs> :-0[00:36:20] *** held has quit IRC[00:36:26] *** longcat has left #opensolaris[00:37:30] *** aszeszo__ has joined #opensolaris[00:37:31] <macousi> pastebin your info (ifconfig -a, dladm show-phys, dladm show-link, or whatever)[00:37:49] *** aszeszo has quit IRC[00:38:46] *** aszeszo__ is now known as aszeszo[00:38:48] <akhs> macousi, sure[00:42:32] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:45:19] *** icarus901 has joined #opensolaris[00:48:12] *** Spencer_tt1 has quit IRC[00:48:28] *** [Gary] has left #opensolaris[00:49:01] <akhs> macousi, http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1857425[00:50:47] <macousi> unplumb e1000g0 on both and try again[00:51:02] <macousi> e1000g1 rather[00:51:19] *** gary_ has joined #opensolaris[00:51:25] *** gary_ is now known as Guest5223[00:51:55] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[00:52:02] <akhs> macousi, I will try it, Presently sys-unconfig is going on..[00:52:08] <akhs> I will let you know.[00:53:09] <macousi> can you reconfigure the nxge1 int?[00:54:03] <akhs> macousi, its done..[00:54:13] <akhs> yeah, now I am able it up!!![00:54:31] <macousi> you have 2 interfaces on the same network, so it's getting confused[00:54:58] <akhs> thats a great help.[00:55:23] <akhs> If I would have put IP of another series to nxge1..[00:55:33] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: is it worth the work? will it likely give a driver worth looking at in lieu of dnet?[00:56:15] <[lewellyn]> i'm not so interested in the other drivers so much right now, but they're probably all fairly simple once one's done, thanks to that vmbus.[00:56:20] <akhs> than it would be the same scenario or should I able to ping it up??[00:56:47] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: its doable. Linux network drivers are woefully inadequate when it comes to operating information[00:57:08] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: Is there any more information you can provide thats not on the ISO?[00:57:08] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: Not here.[00:57:13] <macousi> akhs, ya. if you leave 10.1.1.0/24 for e1000g1 and assign a diff network, like 10.1.2.0/24 to nxge1 than you'll be golden[00:57:37] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: link up/link down hardly qualifies as "enough" :D[00:57:54] <akhs> macousi, great...thanks again!![00:58:25] <macousi> no problem[01:00:02] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[01:01:10] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[01:01:15] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: if you can get gdamore or jmcp to buy off on sponsoring and you start up a project by emailing driver-discuss, I'll go for it[01:01:27] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[01:02:17] <sstallion_work> it will take a little while to get it done, and we'll definitely need a PSARC to get it integrated[01:02:21] <sstallion_work> but I think its certainly doable[01:02:37] *** Spencer_tt1 has joined #opensolaris[01:03:05] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: unfortunately, i don't have any info that's not there. i'll poke around a bit and see what i can find elsewhere[01:03:17] <[lewellyn]> as i said, i didn't even know about this opensource driver set till a few days ago[01:03:48] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:03:49] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: the source is enough TBH[01:03:50] <sstallion_work> I'll just do a direct port[01:04:20] *** purserj has quit IRC[01:04:21] <sstallion_work> the vmbus module will be first, followed by the pv network driver[01:04:29] <sstallion_work> once thats done, thats enough for a putback[01:04:35] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[01:04:36] <sstallion_work> after that, we can add in the other drivers[01:04:56] <[lewellyn]> and potentially enough to find a monetary sponsor to complete the task :)[01:05:48] <sstallion_work> getting the project start would be a good first step - that way we can keep a gate separate from the onnv gate for dev work.[01:05:59] <sstallion_work> plus it gives the community trolls a chance to complain bitterly ;)[01:06:01] <[lewellyn]> yeah[01:06:12] <sstallion_work> though the driver community really doesn't have any trolls[01:06:30] *** akhs has quit IRC[01:06:39] <sstallion_work> are you subscribed to driver-discuss?[01:06:46] <[lewellyn]> and it's hard to justify trying to avoid trying to get into microsoft shops, what with the cifs server and all[01:06:49] <[lewellyn]> i should be[01:06:58] * gdamore growls quietly from underneath his bridge.[01:07:17] <[lewellyn]> SMP and fastboot would be awesome to have eventually, too[01:07:26] *** Guest5223 has quit IRC[01:07:31] <[lewellyn]> though i think smp already works (fsvo)[01:07:41] * [lewellyn] tosses gdamore a goat[01:08:06] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: send the usual project announcement to driver-discuss and see where it goes ;)[01:08:14] <sstallion_work> I'll at least do the network driver - its pretty easy[01:08:15] <gdamore> i thought you knew better than to "feed the troll"![01:08:40] <[lewellyn]> i have another couple of emails before i can do that. i want to see if i can create support outside the normal groups ;)[01:08:56] * sstallion_work thinks gdamore should sponsor.[01:09:05] * [lewellyn] too[01:09:07] <sstallion_work> sacrificial troll?[01:09:13] <gdamore> i can sponsor the case, if you write it.[01:09:25] * sstallion_work points at lewellyn[01:09:28] <sstallion_work> I'm just the labor here[01:09:33] <gdamore> PSARC, I mean. I'm not going to sponsor the *integration*.[01:09:35] <sstallion_work> *nod*[01:09:36] <sstallion_work> haha[01:09:44] <sstallion_work> not with a 10ft pole, eh?[01:10:13] <gdamore> lets just say.... i'd like to avoid politics (for a change)[01:10:40] <gdamore> besides which, I'd have to install a *cough* microsoft *spit* product to test it.[01:11:28] <x58> what are you guys talking about? So far I got something about a network driver but that is about it.[01:12:16] <[lewellyn]> x58: i'm bored of hyper-v's "Legacy Network Adapter" and microsoft has a bsd-licensed linux driver :)[01:12:28] <x58> Ah, okay. Got it.[01:13:21] <sstallion_work> gdamore: I'm hoping I can talk lewellyn into exposing one I can get to - my house is Microsoft-free (and it would be nice to keep it that way!)[01:13:48] <sstallion_work> hrmm... we do have an XBox though[01:13:51] <[lewellyn]> i'm hoping to be buying some new hardware soon anyhow. :)[01:13:57] <[lewellyn]> xbox won't run windows server afaik ;)[01:14:23] <gdamore> the wife has MS, unfortunately. and also I have a VBox MS because Oracle training materials required MS Internet Exploder.[01:14:35] <sstallion_work> ouch[01:14:50] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[01:14:51] <sstallion_work> I managed to get my wife onto Mac OS a few years ago - works out pretty well for her.[01:15:25] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[01:15:41] <x58> I have the Windows 2008 Hyper-V ISO downloaded somewhere, haven't had the chance to play with it yet.[01:15:52] <[lewellyn]> i'm trying to get my gf to stop using boot camp in exchange for vbox, for most of the games she plays that require windows :P[01:16:06] <[lewellyn]> some, though, vbox's 3d support isn't up to par for yet[01:16:16] <[lewellyn]> x58: 2k8r2 is far nicer :)[01:16:20] <[lewellyn]> (for hyper-v)[01:17:09] <x58> [lewellyn]: I think i have the R2. It is whatever was linked in a theregister article a while back, since the EULA for it allows unlimited distribution, requires no serial number or activation.[01:18:03] <[lewellyn]> a no-serial no-activation windows server? interesting.[01:18:52] <gebi> that should be the base w2k8 server for hyper-v, w2k8r2 also has multimaster cluster fs and is definitly not free *g*[01:18:53] <gavino> so how do I know what disks are what in dev?[01:19:19] <gavino> I have I have a lot of disks[01:19:47] *** Guest5223 has joined #opensolaris[01:20:19] <x58> gebi: Oh, I don't doubt that.[01:21:24] <lcheung> gavino: do a dd and watch the leds flash? :)[01:21:27] <x58> I have access to most of the 2008 server stuff through MSDNAA anyway.[01:22:30] <gavino> I have a really gnarley /dev/dsk[01:22:50] <lcheung> good morning/evening all - depending where in the world you are.[01:22:50] <gavino> like zillion entries[01:23:19] * Meths notes the MS regsitration is a lot nicer and easier to avoid than VMware's for their free stuff[01:23:27] <Meths> registration*[01:24:08] <gavino> http://www.pastie.org/906620 look at this!![01:24:24] <gavino> I have 3 dell array attached to my box[01:24:50] <gavino> none formatted[01:25:23] <gavino> how do I clean things up?[01:25:32] <gavino> and get all my disks under raidz?[01:26:14] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[01:26:32] <x58> gavino: Use format to list them all. Then add them to the raidz[01:27:38] <lcheung> or do a "iostat -En"[01:27:52] *** lcheung is now known as lesterc[01:28:07] <gebi> and adding all disks to the same raidz isn't going to cut it ;)[01:28:53] <lesterc> gavino: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide[01:32:06] <gavino> hmm[01:32:11] <gavino> I have liek 26 disks[01:32:13] <gavino> ok[01:32:40] <gebi> for 3 seperated arrays in raidz2 e.g a good idea to create raidz2 with 6 disks with 2 disks from each array[01:34:15] <gebi> so no data is lost if a whole array goes down[01:34:39] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[01:35:55] <gavino> hmm[01:36:02] <bball> hosw do I install an older SUNWspro onbld package[01:36:24] <bball> with the newer ones you can just copy the onbld dir to /opt[01:36:27] <bball> after you untar it[01:36:45] <bball> but this older one I'm trying to build with seems to be in a pkg format[01:36:48] <gavino> 32 bit 4 g ram 2x2.4xeon cpu[01:37:02] <gavino> pkgadd -d blah probly[01:37:23] <gavino> wow format shows 0-30 for disks[01:38:18] <bball> ty[01:40:47] <macousi> ls[01:40:51] <macousi> oops[01:46:11] <gebi> gavino: also, do not forget spare disks ;), (my 2 cents: for >20disks i've usually 2x160GB l2arc and 1x32GB zil)[01:46:42] *** cybernd has quit IRC[01:47:18] <gavino> ok[01:47:28] <gavino> I do have my os on 1 36g[01:47:37] <gavino> and I could use the other for ZIL[01:48:00] <gavino> all rest of 31 are 140g 320 scsi[01:48:13] <gebi> l2arc here is x25-m intel ssd, and zil x25-e intel ssd[01:48:16] <gavino> I can see from format which are 2 smallies[01:48:25] <gavino> I have only old hardware no ssd lol[01:49:13] <gebi> using hd's for zil isn't really that great because ios is the only thing that counts and thats pain slow on hd's ;)[01:49:14] <gavino> how can I see which disk s currently being used for my os? see the cztydx[01:49:20] <gavino> oh ok[01:49:50] <gavino> I should probably absorb the other 36g into my os disk[01:49:53] <gavino> for like mirroring[01:49:57] <gavino> or some kinda spare[01:50:06] <gavino> then make the 29 140g drives into my NFS space[01:50:07] <gavino> :)[01:50:11] *** milek_ has quit IRC[01:50:13] <gebi> jep good idea, rpool can be mirrord without problems[01:50:16] <gavino> with raidz[01:50:27] <gavino> care to lead me through it?[01:50:34] <gavino> very new to zfs opensol here[01:52:01] <Andys^> using HD's for zil is still better than using nothing[01:52:15] <Meths> There are howtos for rpool mirroring: http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/10/18/zfs-boot-mirror-setup/ and http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html were the ones I used.[01:52:43] <Meths> Then see lesterc's link above for the rest of ZFS[01:52:57] *** niq has quit IRC[01:53:23] <gavino> I can add the mirror to my running box?[01:53:38] <Meths> yes[01:54:07] <victori> thanks for referencing my site ;-)[01:54:38] <victori> I got screwed once when my main boot drive died and my secondary mirror drive had no boot mbr[01:55:13] <Meths> victori: lol, np, thanks for putting the info I needed there! :)[01:55:32] <lesterc> victori: +1[01:56:30] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:58:09] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[01:58:15] <gavino> http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/10/18/zfs-boot-mirror-setup/ oh this seems to show howto make the mirror on my running box[01:58:17] <gavino> sweet[01:59:29] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[02:00:03] *** fleyta has quit IRC[02:02:17] *** Odin- has quit IRC[02:02:27] *** datafirm has quit IRC[02:02:50] <gavino> could openbsd put 29 raid5? using bioctl?[02:02:53] <gavino> 29 disks[02:03:09] <gavino> or is that crazy[02:03:15] <Meths> WW[02:04:01] *** Jenkens has joined #opensolaris[02:04:14] <Atomdrache> Try it.[02:04:22] <gavino> lol[02:04:22] <Jenkens> howdy folks, i've got an iSCSI target assigned to a portal group, but how do I assign the actual zvol lun to that tpg?[02:04:35] <Jenkens> :/[02:04:38] <gavino> extr3ME![02:05:11] <Atomdrache> If it doesn't work, you should complain to Theo de Radt that it doesn't scale to 29 disks.[02:05:29] <Atomdrache> Oops, dropped a vowel.[02:05:34] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[02:05:54] *** fleyta has joined #opensolaris[02:06:08] <fleyta> In which svc process does inetd hide?[02:07:38] *** gebi has quit IRC[02:08:39] *** devians[w] has quit IRC[02:08:41] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[02:09:45] <fleyta> Hello?[02:10:10] <JeremyK> fleyta: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2156275/Inetdcontrolled-Services-in-Solaris-10[02:10:27] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[02:10:55] <gavino> lol[02:10:59] <alanc> fleyta: inetd is the process name, svc:/network/inetd:default is the service name[02:11:02] <fleyta> JeremyK: My flash is too old.[02:11:18] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[02:11:19] <gavino> ok what if i do say 4 raid 5: 7 7 7 8[02:11:32] <gavino> do I then raid 0 those 4 for one big volume?[02:12:25] * fleyta wishes truss would decode arguments to functions like strlen()[02:12:31] <Meths> gavino: Are you asking about ZFS or still trying to get OpenBSD info in the wrong window?[02:12:44] <JeremyK> fleyta: strlen is not a system call[02:13:24] <fleyta> JeremyK: no, but it would be possible. truss can trace code in user land with -u ::[02:13:47] <Andys^> OpenBSD storage: because security of my SSH daemon is worth being 10x slower[02:14:19] <JeremyK> we use openbsd for 2 servers, 1) the emergency ssh gateway, and 2) the openvpn box :P[02:14:27] <JeremyK> and it's about as bare bones as you can get[02:14:40] <Andys^> openbsd write-only log host ;)[02:15:38] <gavino> http://pastie.org/906685 ok here are my disks,[02:15:48] <gavino> any zfs reccomendations?[02:15:57] <gavino> shit wrong channel[02:16:06] *** milek_ has quit IRC[02:16:28] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:16:37] <Andys^> gavino: if its for backups/nearline storage, 6 groups of 4 disk raidz1[02:17:00] <Andys^> if its for Super critical stuff, 3 groups of 8 disk raidz2 or 2 groups of 12 disk raidz2[02:17:36] <Andys^> if its for hosting things that need alot of IOPS (virtual machines, busy fileserver), use RAID10 across all 24 disks[02:18:12] <gavino> NFS server[02:18:15] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[02:18:27] <Andys^> how busy? :)[02:18:31] <gavino> not very[02:18:32] *** milek_ has joined #opensolaris[02:18:35] <gavino> 4g ram[02:18:43] <gavino> 2x2.4 xeon i386[02:19:16] <Andys^> what are the disks?[02:19:25] <gavino> scsi 320 140g[02:19:27] <Andys^> ooh[02:19:31] <Andys^> sounds old[02:19:35] <gavino> ;)[02:19:38] <gavino> yep ancient shit[02:19:41] <gavino> I am repurposing[02:19:43] <Andys^> ahh[02:19:48] <gavino> trying to use best new tek[02:19:50] <gavino> ;)[02:19:50] <Andys^> i guess i'd probably go 3 groups of 8 disk raidz2 then[02:20:16] <gavino> I could make hardware raid out of say 20 of the disks[02:20:24] <gavino> the dells support riad 5 hardware raid[02:20:29] <gavino> would that be better?[02:20:33] <gavino> then use that with zfs?[02:20:41] *** ubiquitous1980 has joined #opensolaris[02:20:43] <gavino> the 3rd array hardware raid menu is broken[02:20:55] <gavino> so about 8 disks are floting there and the two small 36g os disks in the head[02:21:56] <gavino> zpool create rzpool raidz2 disk disk raidz2 disk disk[02:22:01] <gavino> is the command format?[02:22:08] <gavino> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Configuration_Guide#ZFS_Configuration_Example_.28x4500_with_raidz2.29[02:23:06] <Andys^> gavino: NOOOOOO, no hardware raid. :)[02:23:06] *** ubiquitous1980 has quit IRC[02:23:12] <gavino> ok[02:23:19] <Andys^> and yes, thats the command format[02:23:25] <Andys^> then run "zpool status -v" to see what it looks like[02:23:39] <gavino> is it important to mix controllers?[02:24:05] <gavino> I noticed the example shows liek as many controllers possible in the mix, but I have like 2..[02:24:20] <bdrewery> (Newb) 2009.06 live cd isn't working with hot swap, other OS work fine, what the heck?[02:24:35] <bdrewery> scsi controller lsi 53c1030[02:25:12] <gavino> what about a spare?[02:25:17] <gavino> should I allocate a spare?[02:25:17] <Reedd> how do i get opensolaris to boot to a text console only?[02:25:48] <Andys^> gavino: i suppose if you were using mirroring you'd want one controller per side of the mirror.. its not that important[02:25:53] <Reedd> nm[02:26:05] <gavino> how about spares?[02:26:18] <gavino> 3x8 would give me one[02:26:19] <Andys^> gavino: spare? its up to you... if a drive breaks, you might have a hard time finding a new ultra320 143gb.. so yes.. maybe spare is good idea :)[02:26:30] <gavino> lol[02:26:39] <gavino> raidz2 needs 2 spares?[02:26:43] <gavino> or 2 per controller?[02:26:50] <Andys^> no its up to you[02:26:57] <Andys^> you can have any number of spares per zpool[02:27:10] <gavino> is each of the 8 considered a zpool[02:27:15] <gavino> or is the whole thing the zppol[02:27:39] <Andys^> whole thing is a zpool, and each of the 8 is a "vdev"[02:27:51] <Andys^> zpools contain vdev(s) contain device(s)[02:27:52] <Reedd> nm[02:28:37] <gavino> now if my os is on a pool called rpool, should this new pool be called something else?[02:28:48] <gavino> I should not mix this stuff with the os disks right?[02:28:52] <Andys^> yeah[02:28:57] <Andys^> call it something else[02:29:00] <Andys^> all the examples use "tank"[02:29:12] <Macer> tank heh[02:29:47] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[02:30:50] <bball> how do I build an individual kernel module.. the devref didn't really help[02:32:03] *** cato_ has quit IRC[02:32:18] <gavino> so it is really not important to mix in disks by controller in each subgroup?[02:32:23] *** crazed is now known as zer0cool[02:32:29] <Andys^> not for raidz[02:32:37] <gavino> ok[02:32:42] *** zer0cool is now known as crazed[02:32:44] <gavino> let me give this a go then[02:32:55] <gavino> reccomend spares #?[02:32:59] <Andys^> 1?[02:33:05] <gavino> http://pastie.org/906685[02:33:07] <gavino> ok[02:35:25] <Reedd> i think a failed system update tried to wreck my install. It created a new entry in grub that just locks up on boot and the old entry when i go to login locks up hard right after i press enter with my password[02:35:43] <Reedd> i've got it to reboot into single user mode and get logged in. where should i check to see what is wrong?[02:36:07] *** cato_ has joined #opensolaris[02:37:23] *** tosh has quit IRC[02:38:21] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris[02:40:13] *** harukomoto has joined #opensolaris[02:40:50] *** brougham has quit IRC[02:42:10] <gavino> ok progress[02:42:11] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[02:43:10] <gavino> damn adn its already mounted![02:43:12] <gavino> :)[02:43:16] <gavino> that wasn't so hard![02:44:26] <gavino> http://pastie.org/906724[02:44:33] <gavino> ok here is my setup[02:44:36] <gavino> what u all think?[02:44:43] <gavino> now NFS on opensol![02:46:16] *** brougham has joined #opensolaris[02:48:52] <Andys^> enjoy[02:51:02] *** kwinz3_ has joined #opensolaris[02:54:51] <gavino> awesome[02:55:03] <gavino> and this will persist over reboot[02:55:21] <gavino> ?[02:55:24] <gavino> of course right[02:55:36] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[02:57:51] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[03:00:55] *** iFire has joined #opensolaris[03:06:02] *** yippi has quit IRC[03:06:08] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[03:07:47] *** milek_ has quit IRC[03:09:02] <gavino> is sendmail on by default in opensol?[03:09:08] <gavino> mail from commadn lien seems not to work[03:11:50] <gavino> brvao opensolaris![03:13:06] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[03:13:33] *** miki has quit IRC[03:15:01] *** nitrile_ has joined #opensolaris[03:15:47] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[03:18:17] *** nitrile has quit IRC[03:19:25] *** comay has quit IRC[03:26:44] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[03:29:57] *** diss3ntive has quit IRC[03:32:19] *** ant has quit IRC[03:35:59] *** inova has joined #opensolaris[03:38:28] *** gm152 has quit IRC[03:41:43] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[03:45:45] *** popster has left #opensolaris[03:46:13] *** Norrin has quit IRC[03:57:10] *** nachox has quit IRC[03:57:34] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[04:07:33] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[04:07:51] *** fleyta has quit IRC[04:11:13] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[04:17:20] *** macros73 has quit IRC[04:17:30] *** dalibor has quit IRC[04:23:12] *** eleusis has quit IRC[04:24:45] *** disharmony has joined #opensolaris[04:25:41] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[04:25:46] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[04:27:24] *** aphexddb has joined #opensolaris[04:28:38] <aphexddb> Is there a good guide or docs on getting si3132/si3124 devices configured?[04:28:53] *** ThePickle has quit IRC[04:30:09] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[04:31:35] <aphexddb> I'm gonna be sad if I have to use FreeBSD : /[04:31:58] <Andys^> aphexddb: thats what i had to do.. tbh, the card didnt work very well in freebsd either ;)[04:32:05] <Andys^> but at least it detected it[04:32:50] <aphexddb> bought one of those sans digital external cages, all the lights go on too[04:32:56] <aphexddb> time to learn2freebsd[04:33:30] *** echobinary has quit IRC[04:34:19] *** ant has joined #opensolaris[04:34:23] <Andys^> aphexddb: and i've also since switched from ZFS to UFS on freebsd because i was a bit sick of the zfs problems, and its only a torrent box[04:34:31] *** kwinz3_ has quit IRC[04:34:47] *** kwinz3_ has joined #opensolaris[04:34:48] *** ant is now known as Guest34679[04:36:06] <aphexddb> thanks Andys^[04:36:15] <aphexddb> downloading now[04:37:51] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[04:37:54] <crazed> er.. any reason why opensolaris is reporting the wrong time so badly[04:38:06] <crazed> Wednesday, April 7, 2010 02:41:23 AM EDT[04:38:16] <crazed> even after running ntpdate againt pool.ntp.org[04:38:16] <pizdec> :_)[04:38:24] <Andys^> crazed: wrong timezone?[04:38:36] <crazed> it says the timezone in the date command as EDT[04:38:40] <crazed> which is correct[04:38:41] <samc> crazed: I had weird issues with my timezone being applied twice[04:38:57] <crazed> uhh[04:39:01] <samc> I'm GMT+12, but the time being reported by date was GMT+24 (even though ntpdate thought the time was correct)[04:39:02] <crazed> how did you fix that slash find out[04:39:20] <samc> it was only happening with one particular build - 129 or 130 maybe[04:39:33] <crazed> i'm on 134[04:39:36] <samc> so I just dropped back to my previous BE then upgraded to 132 or something and it was fixed[04:39:39] <samc> ahh yuck[04:39:50] <samc> funnily enough, I think the gnome clock applet showed the right time[04:40:05] <samc> but yeah, never managed to track down the cause unfortunately[04:40:32] <alanc> what's your TZ set to?[04:40:41] <alanc> it should be something like US/Pacific[04:41:02] <alanc> if you set it to GMT+12 it will do GMT-12 because POSIX rules are backwards from common usage[04:41:29] <samc> I *think* I had it set to Pacific/Auckland[04:41:31] <samc> not certain though[04:41:36] <crazed> echo $TZ[04:41:37] <crazed> US/Eastern[04:41:56] <alanc> then I have no idea why it's off[04:41:59] <crazed> someone suggested i may have set UTC instead of localtime[04:42:05] <crazed> or vice verse[04:42:07] *** kukhuvud has quit IRC[04:42:14] <crazed> does that make sense?[04:42:18] <alanc> % env TZ=US/Eastern date[04:42:18] <alanc> Tuesday, April 6, 2010 10:46:26 PM EDT[04:42:34] <alanc> on my NTP-sync'ed opensolaris 134 box[04:42:39] <ottom> samc: do you boot Windows on that system?[04:42:51] <samc> ottom: nah, it was only Solaris at the time[04:43:03] *** yippi_ has joined #opensolaris[04:43:10] *** yippi has quit IRC[04:44:08] *** jbit has quit IRC[04:44:41] <bball> has Oracle made any statements about opensolaris since buying Sun ?[04:45:09] *** jbit has joined #opensolaris[04:45:30] <bball> kind of feels like it's been in limbo since the acquisition[04:45:41] <bball> or is that just my imagination ? :-)[04:45:55] <ottom> hmph; so it's not the "Windows puts the hardware clock into local time" thing.[04:45:55] <crazed> how can i check what the hardware clock is set to (utc vs local)[04:45:56] *** dtech has joined #opensolaris[04:45:56] <ottom> 'env TZ=GMT date'[04:45:56] <crazed> Wednesday, April 7, 2010 06:49:27 AM GMT[04:45:56] *** LaidBack_01 has quit IRC[04:45:56] <axisys> crazed: date -u[04:45:56] <ottom> that's off by 4 hours[04:46:07] <crazed> Wednesday, April 7, 2010 06:50:20 AM UTC[04:46:57] <alanc> Yes - the director of Solaris marketing made statements during an IRC chat about a month after the acquisition'[04:47:03] <crazed> fixed it :)[04:47:07] <crazed> rtc -z UTC[04:47:19] <alanc> http://ptribble.blogspot.com/2010/02/opening-up-some-details-of-opensolaris.html has notes & pointers to the log[04:47:41] <samc> crazed: ahhh nice one, I'll have to remember that if I run into it again :D[04:48:17] <alanc> there were also some quotes in one of the articles about how everyone was overreacting to the Oracle web page that said OpenSolaris releases have end-of-support-life when the next one comes out[04:48:18] *** eleusis has quit IRC[04:51:52] <Andys^> aSSDs?[04:52:44] *** cmecca has joined #opensolaris[04:53:03] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[04:53:03] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[04:53:13] <CodeWar> at this point its lack of information that is driving rumors and the *overreacting articles*. Frankly its ok for a release to be late or super late as long as there is open knowledge that here is a watchlist of bugs that is blocking release. Stop bothering me about release date see for yourself are all issues in the list done? No then we cant release .. see you later[04:53:25] <cmecca> hrmm... if im trying to zero a disk to be reused for opensolaris... and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/dsk/c8t0d0 returns 71gb.... and the disk is 750gb... lol what does that mean :p[04:53:38] <cmecca> i did 2 others and they returned 750gb... but this disk keeps returning 71gb[04:53:50] <Andys^> CodeWar: well said. if someone came out and said "Sorry, its gonna be 6 months late", that would still be better than radio silence[04:53:55] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[04:55:02] <CodeWar> pretty much ... when the nearest goal seems unclear FUD starts floating around the future and to add to it ORacle has done God knows what with the Solaris 10 license. So thats just Godspeed to rumors[04:57:00] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[04:57:57] <richlowe> For those things in d.o.o, you can see the blocker bug for youself.[04:58:03] <Gman> maybe the radio is broken :)[04:58:05] <richlowe> for those things in bugster, the appropriate fields are hidden, because b.o.o is absolute crap.[04:58:12] <richlowe> but it's all Gman's fault, ultimately, right Glynn?[04:58:27] <Gman> yeah[04:59:23] *** aphexddb has quit IRC[04:59:25] *** aphexddb1 has joined #opensolaris[05:00:25] <CodeWar> this is news so there *is* a list of blocker bugs stopping release and its in the public domain .. if so care to share the link please?[05:00:45] * oninoshiko sighs[05:01:08] <samc> Gman: heh, I think I met you at LCA - didn't realise you were .. well .. you :)[05:01:23] <Gman> CodeWar: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=8314[05:01:24] <alanc> CodeWar: there are *two* lists of blocker bugs, one for each bug tacker[05:01:34] * richlowe wants a bug tacker[05:01:35] *** Guest34679 has quit IRC[05:01:40] <Garen> CodeWar: The last two posts in this thread are helpful: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=126677&tstart=0[05:01:40] <Gman> samc: ah, yes, guilty :)[05:01:44] <alanc> the bugzilla one is public, the bugster one is not, since bugs.opensolaris.org doesn't show the right fields[05:02:04] * Gman wants bugzilla to be *the* tracker[05:02:13] <oninoshiko> richlowe: normally they are called "entomologists"[05:02:14] * Gman thinks that's a lost cause[05:03:10] <richlowe> and there's far more useful things that b.o.o could show than the bloody blocker status of anything.[05:03:21] * Garen likes the informative state names/descriptions in b.o.o.[05:03:45] <Andys^> that sounds like a nasty bug[05:04:07] <CodeWar> so bottomline Mark Maybee the gentleman is holding up 2010.03 release... lets hope hes on vacation now[05:04:45] <Gman> assuming there aren't non-public blocking bugs in the internal bug tracker, yes[05:09:09] <alanc> which would be a false assumption[05:09:17] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[05:10:00] <alanc> since security bugs are non-public by definition, like the one I filed over the weekend to bump firefox from 3.5.8 to 3.5.9 for the latest security fixes as long as we're not yet shipped and nominated for the blocker list[05:10:16] <alanc> (which doesn't guarantee it will be accepted as a blocker)[05:11:04] <CodeWar> how does the governing body work.. is there a program manager ( or release manager) who decides on what spot fixes to take into the release branch and whether a bug is blocking or not?[05:11:18] <Gman> yes, it's all comay's fault[05:11:18] <Gman> :)[05:11:43] <alanc> CodeWar: the OGB governing body is completely disconnected from the release process - they manage the community groups only[05:12:24] <Gman> and barely that :)[05:13:05] <alanc> comay works with the tech leads of each consolidation to review nominated stopper bugs to determine which fixes to take in[05:13:18] <richlowe> alanc: what's #15522 duplicate of?[05:13:34] *** aphexddb1 has left #opensolaris[05:15:05] <alanc> richlowe: dunno - not sure how [lewellyn] got a machine into that state, since we made /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType a symlink in 129 - must have done something manually or via SVR4 packages to recreate it as a directory[05:15:35] * [lewellyn] looks at that path[05:15:42] <[lewellyn]> i've been meaning to submit that bug for a while[05:15:48] <alanc> probably dup of whatever bug is 'pkg can't handle a action that's a different type than it's database says it is'[05:15:58] * [lewellyn] is trying to clear some of his stack at this client site before he heads off for the night[05:16:55] *** dalibor has quit IRC[05:17:09] <[lewellyn]> what should that be a symlink to?[05:17:24] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:18:01] <richlowe> alanc: Oh, it just stood out as being symlink v. dir due to an X move, which I know existed already in some form.[05:18:15] <CodeWar> release process and branching model is an interesting science of its own ..[05:18:17] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[05:18:31] <alanc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Feb 6 16:48 /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType -> ../../../../share/fonts/TrueType/[05:18:53] *** sstallion has left #opensolaris[05:18:53] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[05:18:55] * sstallion yawns[05:18:59] <[lewellyn]> alanc: i didn't knowing do it manually and there's nothing in the SVR4 package db[05:19:02] *** sstallion has quit IRC[05:19:02] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[05:19:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sstallion[05:19:22] <[lewellyn]> /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/../../../../share/fonts/TrueType: No such file or directory[05:19:38] <alanc> weird - perhaps there was an extra file left in there before causing the update to 129 to fail to make it?[05:19:43] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: think of any other good ways to suck up my free time? ;D[05:19:51] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: i've got plenty ;)[05:19:55] <alanc> though I thought that made pkg mv the leftovers to lost+found[05:19:58] <sstallion> alanc: I get the feeling you might want to send Martin some more t-shirts![05:19:58] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: i sent off an email to microsoft, btw.[05:20:12] *** Guest5223 has quit IRC[05:20:17] <[lewellyn]> alanc: in any case, it sounds like a potentially valid bug, even if it's a dupe! ;)[05:20:18] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: I'll hack the code but I don't want my name anywhere near it :D[05:20:28] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[05:20:29] <alanc> "The SPARC graphics team used my code, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" ?[05:20:31] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: hahahah[05:20:42] <sstallion> alanc: or maybe a t-shirt of a coffee mug?[05:20:55] <richlowe> pkg search -l '::path:/usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType'[05:20:56] <alanc> or "You too can work on SPARC graphics drivers, and be unemployed!"[05:21:11] <sstallion> alanc: "SPARC? Do they still make those?"[05:21:17] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: the guys i've emailed are very friendly and accessible and not linux-centric, so maybe i can get docs that aren't source code[05:21:30] <Gman> given dedup isn't on by default, it's probably not really a blocker :)[05:21:46] <[lewellyn]> path dir usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType pkg:/SUNWttf-arphic-uming at 0 dot 5.11-0.129[05:21:55] <[lewellyn]> and a few other SUNEttf-* packages[05:21:57] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: that would be good - the source is pretty well all we need. It won't be a rough port. One thing that concerns me is the source only maintains a GPL header - nothing mentions BSD[05:21:59] <[lewellyn]> SUNW at that[05:22:07] <alanc> hrm, didn't we move that for 129?[05:22:10] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: i mentioned that ;)[05:22:12] <alanc> too many builds ago[05:22:54] <sstallion> It annoys me greatly when people think they can maintain a single copyright file and not annotate the source code.[05:22:55] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: there *IS* a license file that says you can ignore the gpl headers, if you opt for BSD licensing, which i'd hope would be enough[05:23:06] <[lewellyn]> i think the bsd licensing is new in this beta, btw[05:23:12] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: meh. gray area IMHO.[05:23:25] <richlowe> [lewellyn]: any of the returns 'link'?[05:23:31] <[lewellyn]> richlowe: no[05:23:40] <richlowe> Though I guess that's still directory-o-junk -> link-o-junk[05:23:49] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: IANAL, but if we opt for BSD licensing, does that allow us to strip the GPL crap out?[05:23:52] <[lewellyn]> all dir, all in SUNWttf-* and /system/font/truetype/ttf-fonts-core[05:23:59] <sstallion> simply sub in the license text instead?[05:24:01] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: that's what the license says[05:24:03] <sstallion> that seems a reasonable alternative[05:24:45] <[lewellyn]> This software is available to you under a choice of one of two licenses. You may choose to be licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) Version 2, available from the file LICENSE-GPL in the main directory of this source tree, or the BSD license (http://opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php) below:[05:25:01] <[lewellyn]> you can't really have gpl headers if you opt for bsd licensing[05:25:44] <sstallion> alright[05:25:47] <sstallion> thats what I'll roll with them[05:25:49] <sstallion> then[05:26:32] <[lewellyn]> hopefully i'll hear back from one of these guys tomorrow or thurs. i'd love to bring this up on driver-discuss before 2010.1H creates too much distraction ;)[05:26:33] * sstallion thinks a fresh new spot in hell is being made for him...[05:26:44] <sstallion> well[05:26:50] <sstallion> PSARC is going to be your biggest hurdle[05:26:56] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: it could be worse, you could be the one advocating the use of opensolaris under hyper-v like i am ;)[05:27:01] <[lewellyn]> yeah[05:27:03] <sstallion> haha[05:27:12] <sstallion> I'm just a bored hacker - not sure which is worse ;)[05:27:28] <[lewellyn]> underpaid is worse :P[05:27:54] * [lewellyn] watches this mail migration and rolls a die to see if it's likely to be safe to head home[05:28:18] <Fallen_Demon> I've caved and decided to install opensolaris into a virtualbox vm[05:28:24] <Fallen_Demon> I'm having withdrawals -_-[05:28:39] <sstallion> Fallen_Demon: from what?[05:28:49] <[lewellyn]> 1/3 of the way through so far with no unexpected output and i rolled a 15. i'm heading home.[05:28:50] <Fallen_Demon> Everything[05:28:57] <[lewellyn]> back later! :D[05:28:58] <Fallen_Demon> Solaris > Linux[05:29:11] <sstallion> Fallen_Demon: sounds like you need to <[05:29:29] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: brave man :P[05:29:40] <Fallen_Demon> sstallion, need to what?[05:29:47] <sstallion> Fallen_Demon: stop using Linux[05:29:59] <Fallen_Demon> lol, can't right now[05:30:18] <Fallen_Demon> I'm going to see if I can configure b134 with everything I need first[05:30:45] <sstallion> Fallen_Demon: better off waiting for 2010.03 unless you are a developer[05:30:54] <Fallen_Demon> :3[05:32:17] <Fallen_Demon> I ran opensolaris natively on my desktop, it didn't have NTFS support, VLC or USB wireless support[05:32:22] <Fallen_Demon> Hence it got moved to a VM[05:32:49] <lattera> opensolaris has vlc through spec-files-extra[05:33:01] <Triskelios> and ntfs, and wireless usb[05:33:22] <Fallen_Demon> But now that I might not need to connect to the weird set up here at uni anymore with this computer, I'm going to see how it all pans out[05:33:26] <Fallen_Demon> Yeah, I know[05:33:36] <Fallen_Demon> Hence why I'm going to give it another chance now 8D[05:34:04] <Fallen_Demon> Plus I bumped up the RAM in here[05:34:05] <alanc> [lewellyn]: now that you mention it, perhaps the TrueType directory wasn't converted to a link until a later build after the l10n fonts got moved to /usr/share - I don't remember any more[05:34:09] <Fallen_Demon> It'll run real sweet[05:34:41] *** Guest5223 has joined #opensolaris[05:35:51] * alanc should go home too...[05:38:16] <richlowe> alanc: it's only 8[05:38:22] <Fallen_Demon> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu[05:38:25] <Fallen_Demon> I hate first boot >_<[05:41:51] * Spencer_tt1 would love to use OpenSolaris as a main operating system rather than Linux - alas the packages don't warrant it as Desktop OS atm.[05:43:09] <Spencer_tt1> it's really work in progress and running it in a reduced VM state will have to do for a little while while I work towards the desktop nirvana..[05:43:13] <Spencer_tt1> yawn.[05:44:20] <Fallen_Demon> I love DTrace[05:44:33] <Fallen_Demon> And want to play with Crossbow[05:45:36] *** nickw has joined #opensolaris[05:45:40] *** lattera has quit IRC[05:48:34] <Spencer_tt1> I love the enhanced driver support[05:48:55] <Fallen_Demon> Binary compatibility, too ^_^[05:49:01] <Fallen_Demon> Not important now....[05:49:17] <Fallen_Demon> But give me 10 years when I have stuff I don't want to poke around in[05:49:31] <trochej> Coffee[05:49:47] <trochej> I love coffee[05:51:34] <Fallen_Demon> Coffee with chocolate[05:51:40] <Fallen_Demon> Sugar hits rock[05:52:01] * Spencer_tt1 loves cooked pudding.[05:58:00] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:58:30] <lblume> 'morning people.[05:59:24] <system5> I use OpenSolaris as my main operating system rather than Linux and I have no problems[05:59:31] *** relling has quit IRC[05:59:50] <system5> the only package you need is VirtualBox, which I didn't have in FreeBSD, hence my switch to OpenSolaris two years ago[06:00:44] <system5> hey Alanc, do you think I should write up another e-mail from an e-mail address with my real name in it or let sleeping dogs lie for a few days while the sales reps figure out how to respond[06:00:53] *** FireflyST has joined #opensolaris[06:01:04] <system5> so hard to give you guys money :-)[06:01:55] <system5> lblume, what country are you in, it's night time here[06:02:12] <lblume> It's noon, actually, time to cook lunch.....[06:02:25] <lblume> I'm in Beijing.[06:02:27] <system5> I don't want to do the math to figure out what time zone you're in[06:02:29] <system5> oh, Beijing[06:02:38] <system5> Blume doesn't sound like a very Chinese name[06:02:51] <lblume> It's German.[06:02:57] <system5> are you on the Sun China team? now Oracle China team?[06:02:58] <lblume> But I'm French.[06:03:04] <Spencer_tt1> g'morning[06:03:18] <system5> there was some bug with Nvidia network cards reported over a year ago[06:03:23] <lblume> Naaah, I only came here to push them to fix my audiohd issues faster.[06:03:33] <system5> like the driver doesn't recognize the alias for mcp67 ethernet from Nvidia I think[06:03:40] <system5> all that happens is the aliases need to be updated[06:03:57] *** amgarching has quit IRC[06:04:00] <system5> I think it got handed off to some Sun engineers in CHina, and that was like throwing the bug in the trash, as nothing was ever heard about it again[06:04:15] *** amgarching has joined #opensolaris[06:05:03] <lblume> Well, I've found them very responsive so far. Really ready to help.[06:05:30] <system5> it's bug 4803 at defect.opensolaris.org[06:05:32] <system5> let me check on it[06:05:38] <system5> I know it wasn't fixed in snv_!29[06:05:41] <system5> errr snv_129[06:05:55] <sstallion> system5: there are several engineers in the channel that work on that team.[06:06:02] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:06:12] <system5> yeah this bug:[06:06:13] <system5> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4803[06:06:55] <system5> why not just have the opensolaris operating system recognize the hardware and attach the correct driver instead of requiring the user to type in:[06:06:58] <system5> update_drv -a -i '"pci10de,54c"' nge ifconfig -a plumb[06:07:07] <system5> how is a noob user supposed to figure that out?[06:07:36] <sstallion> system5: or you could read the documentation and simply issue: reboot -- -r[06:07:39] <system5> that particular NIC shipset is used in literally tens of thousands of laptops[06:07:53] <system5> what just typing in: reboot -- -r[06:08:02] <system5> doesn't require you to do an update_drv -a -i ?[06:08:16] <sstallion> system5: assuming this is a supported vendor/device ID, then yes.[06:08:45] *** Jenkens has quit IRC[06:08:56] <system5> well, it seems that the driver is supported, but someone behind the Snorcle firewall refuses to update OpenSolaris so that the driver attaches to the device[06:09:02] <sstallion> system5: alternately, you can touch /reconfigure && reboot[06:09:08] <lblume> system5: If an alias is not installed, it means it's untested. It might work, or not. Testing takes time, and is not always possible. So no, a noob user should not be able to do it too easily.[06:09:26] <system5> ic[06:09:37] <alanc> system5: oh, I thought they'd responded, but it looks like they only cc'ed astram and not you[06:09:46] <system5> good enough[06:09:49] <sstallion> system5: patches welcome. If this is simply a matter of adding support for the chipset, if you are willing to do a little legwork and provide test hardware, this could be fixed easily.[06:09:49] <system5> let him deal with it[06:09:52] <alanc> I guess your e-mail address was too confusing for them - oh well[06:09:55] <system5> haha[06:10:11] <system5> I'll just tell him to forward the response to me[06:10:33] <system5> I think he's warming up to the support idea[06:11:40] <system5> here we go, so who is Zhen W at the CHina office, look at this:[06:11:42] <system5> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6775313[06:11:52] <system5> see the bug and the workaround are there, but it just gets completely ignored[06:12:10] <system5> they send it to a "responsible engineer" in China and then nothing gets done on it for like 2 years[06:12:41] <system5> does Zhen W still work at oracle? maybe he got RIF-ed and the bug fell through the cracks[06:12:43] <sstallion> system5: I think you misunderstand the amount of work it takes to make your "trivial" change[06:13:05] <alanc> there are far more bugs filed than can be fixed by the available number of engineers if you want full regression testing & quality assurance[06:13:05] <system5> I thought nge already supports this chipset[06:13:21] <sstallion> system5: hardware must be acquired, a NICDRV battery must be done, and the driver will likely need additional fixes to support the hardware. rinse. repeat.[06:13:34] <system5> someone just needs to update the driver aliases, which seems trivial compared to fixing zfs dedupe bugs and xwindows bugs and the like[06:13:48] <sstallion> system5: not quite.[06:13:50] <richlowe> Nope[06:14:02] <richlowe> if it was just adding a string to the driver action, don't you think it would have been done?[06:14:22] <system5> I figured it was just adding a string, that's what the bug looks like[06:14:25] <richlowe> or, for that matter, you could have done it and sent the patch.[06:14:31] <system5> update_drv -a -i 'pci1458,e000' nge[06:14:36] <system5> ok, here is my patch:[06:14:37] <system5> update_drv -a -i 'pci1458,e000' nge[06:14:41] <system5> patch submitted![06:15:06] * system5 falls out of chair laughing at his own bad jokes[06:15:30] *** system5 was kicked by sstallion (be civil or begone.)[06:15:39] <andersenep> yes![06:15:55] <lblume> Hmmm, there is no man page for nge in b133? Is that a bug?[06:15:57] <Andys^> heheh[06:16:11] <jmcp> there isn't one for it in 135 either[06:16:25] <sstallion> jmcp: welcome back ;)[06:16:30] <jmcp> hi[06:16:32] <lblume> But the driver is there, and I have the man in S10.[06:16:36] * sstallion figured jmcp would be enjoying his vacation.[06:16:50] <jmcp> sstallion: oh, I was[06:16:54] <jmcp> it ended yesterday[06:16:59] <sstallion> ah[06:17:05] <jmcp> lblume: we don't need no steenkin' manpages in nv ?[06:17:38] <lblume> Oh, yeah, I forget the new mantra: "use the Source, Luke!" :-D[06:19:05] <Andys^> heh, WD just updated the VelicoRaptor line with a 600gb 10krpm. still no SAS version[06:19:47] *** system5 has joined #opensolaris[06:23:54] <system5> so the bug is more than just a missing driver alias? i.e. will there be problems with my system now that I'm using the nge driver for MCP67?[06:24:17] <system5> becuase the bug report itself just seemed to reply that the problem was that the driver supported the chipset but that the alias wasn't there[06:25:18] <lblume> HW vendors are trying to cut costs, and in many cases, yes, it's only a matter of defining the alias. BUT it has to be tested to make sure of it.[06:25:25] <system5> sorry if I'm confused, but when I read: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6775313 there was a line that said: "On-board Ethernet network device is not recognized in the MCP65 nVidia chipset.[06:25:29] <system5> It seems that there's only an alias missing in driver_aliases.[06:25:36] <system5> ok, ic[06:25:43] <system5> so do I have to ship hardware to someone for them to test it?[06:25:48] <lblume> I had a Broadcome chipset once, that attached when the alias was defined, and worked for a while. Until the box panicked.[06:25:59] <system5> that's the way we usually do it in *BSD[06:26:20] <system5> Broadcom is horrible, especially their wireless[06:26:53] <system5> and their gigabit ethernet chipsets are used in those Extreme Black Diamond core switches (which I have an extreme hatred for)[06:26:59] <lblume> Try to get in touch with Zhen W and ask him directly. Maybe he doesn't have the hardware available.[06:27:07] <system5> the Extreme Black Diamond is like a CISCO Catalyst 6500 but purple[06:27:17] <system5> yeah, if he needs hardware, maybe the community can try to dig some up[06:27:52] <alanc> shipping hardware to china is always fun though[06:28:00] <system5> ... great ....[06:28:09] <Spencer_tt1> do you get noodles in return :)[06:28:13] <system5> Ramen[06:28:18] <system5> and only when you ship to Korea, not China[06:28:45] <sstallion> system5: well, driver_aliases isn't the entire picture. The hardware must be vetted, and the NICDRV gods must be satisfied (not an easy task).[06:28:51] <alanc> just have to deal with customs, and if you're in the US, proving you're not shipping restricted technology[06:29:01] <sstallion> it has to be reviewed, pushed through RTI, and eventually integrated.[06:29:13] <sstallion> this isn't a high priority bug by any stretch of the imagination.[06:29:20] <Spencer_tt1> if only that applied to software...[06:29:20] <sstallion> s/bug/feature request/[06:29:36] <lblume> alanc: Oh, don't tell me. Those guys in Brisbane who sent a Riverbed appliance. It got stuck before the customs for 6 months before simply managing to send it back.[06:29:36] <alanc> Spencer_tt1: it does[06:29:59] <alanc> there's just different restricted technology for software[06:30:08] <Spencer_tt1> how do you go about enforcing internet loopholes - great firewall?[06:30:50] <alanc> not as bad as when the restrictions were tighter, and covered things like 56-bit DES encryption[06:30:50] <Spencer_tt1> that's interesting[06:30:52] <lblume> alanc: And if you're in China, proving you're importing CCC-validated technology, and that you have the right import license :-)[06:31:14] <system5> it must be easy to ship things from China to the U.S. though since everything that is sold at Walmart is made in China[06:31:18] <Andys^> Export Denied. Reason: ROT13[06:31:32] <alanc> dunno about enforcement - we're on the other side, making sure we comply so the government doesn't enforce our ass out of business or into jail[06:31:52] <system5> when I was in the Army and they switched to black berets, the first shipment of black berets given to the troops was "Made in China"[06:31:59] <lblume> Spencer_tt1: You used to get KFC in Sun Beijing, now it's Subway :-P[06:32:03] <system5> I think most of the American flags were made in China for a while too[06:32:07] <system5> was kind of surprising[06:32:17] <system5> I'm just mentioning it for humor / ironic value, I'm not talking politics here[06:32:18] <sstallion> jmcp: you know it would be good to setup a KCA on this side of the pond sometime - would be good to see the usual suspects ;)[06:32:20] <Spencer_tt1> lblume: hahaha :)[06:32:42] <alanc> China still has restrictions on export - try to take smuggle a protected antiquity out of the country and see how long before you end up in front of the firing squad[06:32:43] <jmcp> sstallion: kinda[06:32:54] <Spencer_tt1> is McDonalds still in China[06:32:58] <jmcp> one of the reasons for having KCA in the first place was because it's so expensive to get over to the US[06:33:04] <jmcp> but a general kernel conference, for sure[06:33:05] <jmcp> yeah[06:33:12] <lblume> Spencer_tt1: Yes, quite fashionable, too.[06:33:19] <sstallion> jmcp: *nod*[06:33:20] <alanc> Kernel Conference America?[06:33:25] <Spencer_tt1> no beefy sanctions yet, munch on then.[06:33:29] <jmcp> Kernel Conference(tm)[06:33:36] <jmcp> alanc: plural, I think[06:33:42] <jmcp> or just, KC[06:33:43] <jmcp> TKC[06:33:46] <jmcp> The Kernel Conference[06:33:49] <sstallion> jmcp: tKC?[06:34:01] <jmcp> tks :-)[06:34:05] <alanc> Kernels Conference America, Kernel Conferences America or Kernel Conference Americas?[06:34:14] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[06:34:20] * jmcp squints[06:34:25] <jmcp> alanc: I think you're extracting the liquids, now :-)[06:34:31] <sstallion> heh[06:34:31] <alanc> you didn't say which word was plural[06:34:38] <system5> who brings the popcordn to the Kernels Conference America?[06:34:41] <system5> * the popcorn[06:34:43] <Spencer_tt1> you missed Kernel Conference Americanas[06:34:46] <sstallion> jmcp: shaving the yacc so to speak :D[06:35:20] <alanc> sstallion: sounds more like a compiler conference[06:35:33] <sstallion> err yak[06:35:35] * sstallion sighs.[06:35:49] <jmcp> sstallion: indeed :-)[06:35:53] <alanc> heh, not Yet Another Compiler Conference?[06:36:25] <sstallion> smrt: learn yak shaving=http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/yak-shaving.html[06:36:31] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[06:36:40] <sstallion> smrt: explain yak shaving[06:36:40] <smrt> http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/yak-shaving.html[06:36:42] <sstallion> there we are[06:37:18] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[06:37:19] <sstallion> One of the engineers at the office bandies this one about every now and then - its a good one.[06:37:42] <lblume> I don't shave yaks, I only eat them.[06:38:02] * sstallion didn't realize yak was edible.[06:38:17] * alanc can just see his status report for this week already: X conversion to IPS: not finished, X & CDE stoppers for S10U9: not fixed, Yak: fully shaved[06:38:35] <system5> there's a CDE stopper in S10U9?[06:38:37] <system5> did not know this[06:38:41] * sstallion chuckles.[06:39:04] <alanc> system5: why would you know?[06:39:20] <lblume> sstallion once the hair has been removed,it's quite edible, apprently.[06:39:23] <Shoggoth> hi all![06:39:30] <system5> I do spend some of my free time trying to keep up with what's going on in terms of Osol development[06:39:32] <alanc> CDE isn't part of opensolaris, so it's bugs aren't published on bugs.os.o[06:39:40] <system5> and Solaris development[06:39:54] <alanc> S10U9 isn't part of opensoalris, so it's bugs aren't discussed in opensolaris lists[06:40:11] <Shoggoth> I've been living in GNU land for too long... would someone care to remind me how to find that start time of a process that is more than 24hrs old using SYSV ps ?[06:40:20] <Shoggoth> wall time that is[06:40:20] <system5> that's why you don't see me asking unnecessary questions at opensolaris.org like "Are you guys still developing OpenSolaris? Is Oracle going to kill it?"[06:40:40] <system5> I don't ask these questions because it's easy to see that it's still in active development just by following the bugs and the rate they are getting fixed[06:41:15] <alanc> and the definition of stopper includes non-technical reasons that a bug needs to be fixed before the product ships[06:41:27] <system5> hey Shoggoth, isn't there a time column in "ps -ef" ?[06:41:30] <system5> correct me if I'm wrong[06:41:45] <system5> ps -ef | grep -i time[06:41:47] <alanc> the time column changes to date once a process is more than 24 hours old[06:42:25] <Shoggoth> yes it does... is it possible to retrieve the time information after that using some extra flags or perhaps via some other tool?[06:42:45] <nachox> once the process is done running?[06:42:46] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[06:42:48] <system5> ok here I got it[06:42:50] <system5> ps -eo time[06:42:59] <nachox> if you've turned process accounting on, yes[06:43:00] <system5> or maybe ps -ef | awk '{print $8}'[06:43:29] <alanc> I think you want ps -e -o etime[06:43:33] <sstallion> Shoggoth: ptime[06:43:43] <sstallion> ptime -p <pid>[06:44:00] <system5> I didn't know there was a proctool for that[06:44:04] <system5> good call sstallion[06:44:40] <sstallion> man -s 1 proc[06:44:52] <sstallion> there is a surprising number of utilities covered[06:45:09] *** eviljames has quit IRC[06:45:22] * system5 has found a command to achieve Solaris enlightenment: ls /usr/proc/bin/[06:45:42] * system5 assumes lotus position and meditates on proctools[06:46:07] *** yippi_ has quit IRC[06:46:12] *** Kitty has quit IRC[06:46:16] *** macros73 has joined #opensolaris[06:46:29] <system5> speaking of proc tools, has anybody tried compiling and using lsof on OpenSolaris 2009.06 or later lately?[06:46:43] <system5> my pfiles shell scripts are very scary looking, and run kind of slowly[06:47:10] *** Kitty has joined #opensolaris[06:48:36] <sstallion> [lewellyn]: ooph I dunno. This is the worst of both worlds[06:48:50] <sstallion> crappy Linux driver source written by Microsoft employees[06:49:07] <sstallion> I'd rather work on 1,000 dnets first ;P[06:49:15] <nachox> which one?[06:49:26] * nachox is doing a night shift[06:49:27] <sstallion> Hyper-V paravirt drivers[06:49:38] <sstallion> [lewellyn] is trying to talk me into porting them ;)[06:49:49] <nachox> they are bsd licensed?[06:49:53] <sstallion> yeah[06:49:57] <sstallion> dual bsd and GPL[06:50:04] <nachox> well, at least they did something right[06:50:07] <system5> to run OpenSolaris better in Hyper V ?[06:50:17] <sstallion> system5: presumably[06:50:29] <Shoggoth> thanks... ps -o etime was the one I needed[06:50:31] <Shoggoth> ta[06:50:48] <system5> Shoggoth, I think I was wrong[06:50:57] <system5> try this command: ls /usr/proc/bin[06:51:00] <system5> and look at the ptime command[06:51:24] <system5> it's better than ps -eo time, isn't it?[06:51:27] <sstallion> /usr/proc/bin is a legacy path; don't use it.[06:51:30] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris[06:52:17] <system5> oh, so /usr/bin/pfiles isn't just a symlink to /usr/proc/bin/pfiles ?[06:52:24] <Shoggoth> system5: ptime doesn't work for me[06:52:26] <system5> just checked and it's not! strange[06:52:33] <Shoggoth> it doesn't accept a '-p' argument[06:52:35] <sstallion> Shoggoth: ptime -p <pid>[06:52:48] <nachox> thats the whole point of legacy paths, they are legacy[06:52:56] *** syamajala has quit IRC[06:52:59] <Shoggoth> there is no '-p' option[06:53:14] <nachox> ptime pid doesnt work?[06:53:14] <sstallion> Shoggoth: there is... have you tried?[06:53:18] <Shoggoth> yes[06:53:22] <Shoggoth> and I've checked the man page[06:53:28] <Shoggoth> _no_ -p option[06:53:31] <system5> yeah, and all the man pages for those nifty commands are contained in proc(1) which always made it more confusing, I though[06:53:35] <system5> * I thought[06:53:59] <Shoggoth> unless it's something they've added _since_ 2008.11[06:54:12] <Shoggoth> because the man page has no mention of it[06:54:13] <system5> yeah, I"m in 2009.06 and my man page for proc(1) says: /usr/bin/ptime [-Fm] [-p] pid...[06:54:22] <Shoggoth> and the command barfs when you pass it a '-p'[06:54:27] <sstallion> Shoggoth: works fine for me... try without the -p[06:54:40] <system5> man -s 1 proc[06:54:51] <Shoggoth> ptime: failed to exec -p: No such file or directory[06:55:20] <sstallion> Shoggoth: odd. It may very well be a new flag - I didn't think it was.[06:55:31] <Shoggoth> man -s 1 proc[06:55:32] <Shoggoth> ...[06:55:38] <Shoggoth> /usr/bin/ptime command [arg]...[06:55:39] <Shoggoth> ...[06:55:44] <Shoggoth> no -p[06:55:48] <Shoggoth> nothing mentioned below either[06:55:55] <system5> weird[06:55:58] <Shoggoth> so yes it must be something newer than 2008.11[06:56:03] <Shoggoth> gotta love that[06:56:14] <system5> my man page says: SunOS 5.11 Last change: 10 Dec 2008 1[06:56:17] <system5> at the bottom[06:56:19] <sstallion> Shoggoth: 2008.11 is pretty old - sounds like its time for an update ;)[06:56:29] <Shoggoth> I'm in the middle of that :)[06:56:40] <Shoggoth> I've got two solaris paravirt VM's[06:56:43] <Shoggoth> one 2008.11[06:56:46] <Shoggoth> and one b129[06:56:47] <richlowe> ptime -p arrived almost exactly too late to make 2008.11[06:56:51] <system5> yeah, you shouldn't still run 2008.11 unless you're a masochist, IPS got a little better in 2009.06[06:56:55] <richlowe> Nov 17th[06:56:57] <sstallion> richlowe: ahh fun.[06:57:08] <Shoggoth> like I said... I'm in the _middle_ of an upgrade[06:57:17] <system5> you like the b129 Shoggoth?[06:57:19] <Shoggoth> the thing I want to find the elapsed time for is a zfs send[06:57:30] <Shoggoth> it seems to be better than b134 yeah[06:57:35] <sstallion> Shoggoth: can't you just use good ol' fashioned time(1) for that?[06:57:41] <sstallion> time zfs send ...[06:57:57] <sstallion> (mind you I've never used send/recv)[06:58:12] <richlowe> Think -v may tell you, too,[06:58:25] <system5> I'm wondering if that ZFS deduplication bug where using "zfs destroy" on a deduped zpool hangs the system affects snv_129[06:58:28] <system5> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6924824[06:58:39] <Shoggoth> sstallion: yes if you remember to start the process with $ time progname[06:58:41] <system5> I'm too scared to try since my snv_129 machine is in production and has a lot of users / developers on it[06:59:15] <sstallion> Shoggoth: ps/ptime will be about it for you then[06:59:23] <nachox> the -p option was added to ptime as part of PSARC/2007/598[06:59:25] <Shoggoth> I'm doing a zfs send/receive of 897GB of data... it's about a 30hr job :)[06:59:43] <nachox> if youve got something that is older, then you will not have that option[07:00:13] <Shoggoth> in any case ps -eo pid,etime,args | grep zfs did want I wanted[07:00:20] <Shoggoth> thanks![07:00:35] <sstallion> Shoggoth: use pgrep ;)[07:00:42] <nachox> it was integrated in Mon Nov 17 10:57:46 PST 2008[07:00:42] <sstallion> ps -eo pid,etime,args `pgrep zfs`[07:00:44] *** inova has left #opensolaris[07:00:52] <Andys^> Shoggoth: next time, deploy mbuffer[07:00:52] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[07:01:05] <Shoggoth> yeah I should get around to learning how to drive some of the nice new tools[07:01:11] <Shoggoth> Andys^: mbuffer?[07:01:25] <Andys^> Shoggoth: http://www.maier-komor.de/mbuffer.html[07:01:30] <Andys^> zfs send blah | mbuffer | zfs receive[07:01:33] <Andys^> speeds things up a fair bit[07:02:06] <Shoggoth> looks useful in general[07:02:20] <Shoggoth> but I don't think it would have helped in this specific instance[07:02:30] <Fallen_Demon> So how do I update to b134? Haven't done this before :([07:02:34] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[07:02:37] <Fallen_Demon> Fresh install of 2009.06[07:02:50] <sstallion> Fallen_Demon: word of advice: don't[07:02:50] *** macros73 has quit IRC[07:02:53] <sstallion> wait for 2010.03[07:03:02] <Fallen_Demon> Ok[07:03:14] <Fallen_Demon> How do I upgrade to a new build then? XD[07:03:31] <Shoggoth> system5: back to your query about b129[07:03:33] <Andys^> shoggoth: zfs send has very little buffering and is single-threaded... mbuffer speeds it up quite alot[07:03:45] <sstallion> once the release is made, you should just do an image-update.[07:03:49] <Andys^> shoggoth: watch how unbusy your disks are while running zfs send... they're usually almost idle[07:03:54] <sstallion> The release notes will have the instructions you need.[07:04:06] <Fallen_Demon> Cool, thanks sstallion[07:04:07] *** LaidBack_01 has joined #opensolaris[07:04:11] <sstallion> Fallen_Demon: anytime.[07:04:17] <sstallion> alright gents, I'm out for the evening[07:04:27] *** sstallion sets mode: -o sstallion[07:04:29] * sstallion &[07:04:41] <Shoggoth> Andys^: I'm running both the send and receive on the same solaris VM and it's running on top of a linux dom0 with Full-Disc-Encryption.... it was going to be slow no matter what[07:04:59] <Andys^> heheh[07:05:21] <Andys^> in that case you need all the help you can get :)[07:05:26] <Shoggoth> Andys^: but that said... what you say is true: the disc activity is bursty... I'll try it out for my next transfer[07:06:01] <Shoggoth> system5: I was a little disappointed to find that b129 didn't support lzma compression and fletcher4 for dedupe but then again neither does b134 it turns out[07:06:33] <Shoggoth> Andys^: I'm planning on moving the full-disc-encryption into the VM as I upgrade using lofi[07:07:03] <Shoggoth> Andys^: but I am concerned about the encryption on offer by lofi... cbc only not overly secure[07:09:51] <Andys^> oh?[07:10:19] <Shoggoth> Andys^: yes... cbc is now considered a very bad idea[07:11:13] <Shoggoth> they aught to be using ESSIV at the very least, xts would be preferable[07:11:16] <Shoggoth> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_encryption_theory#Block_cipher-based_modes[07:11:45] <Shoggoth> it's also concerning that they only offer aes, blowfish and 3des[07:12:22] <Shoggoth> 3des is as slow as hell... blowfish isn't really suitable for a block cipher and aes is starting to show a few cracks[07:12:26] *** p3rror has quit IRC[07:12:29] <Triskelios> system5: updating SFElsof now, it needs a minor patch. happen to know if it still builds cleanly on S10u9?[07:12:39] <Shoggoth> a twofish or serpent implementation would be a good thing[07:12:44] *** xapiens has quit IRC[07:13:05] *** derchris has quit IRC[07:13:10] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[07:13:27] <Shoggoth> Andys^: btw... mbuffer seems to come as a SYSV package... does opensolaris support those?[07:13:37] <Andys^> no[07:13:46] <Andys^> try pkg install.. maybe its in there by now[07:13:52] <Shoggoth> so compile from source then?[07:14:15] <richlowe> OpenSolaris supports SystemV packages, it just no longer uses them.[07:14:30] <Shoggoth> richlowe: right.... that's good to know[07:14:38] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[07:19:07] <Shoggoth> woohoo! only 800G transferred, only 97G to go :)[07:22:40] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[07:23:38] <[lewellyn]> sstallion: the drivers are that bad? :P[07:25:52] *** nachox has quit IRC[07:27:46] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[07:28:53] *** ganbold has quit IRC[07:32:39] <Shoggoth> Andys^: I'm going to try out mbuffer - do you happen to know what compiler opensolaris comes with? is it gcc? or did Sun include their compiler in the Big Open Source Giveaway (tm) :)[07:33:06] <Shoggoth> cc -V gives cc: Sun Ceres C 5.10 SunOS_i386 2008/10/22[07:33:13] <Shoggoth> but man cc says gcc[07:34:09] *** sivanov has quit IRC[07:35:16] <Shoggoth> eh... seems I have both :)[07:35:37] *** akhs has joined #opensolaris[07:35:40] <richlowe> /usr/bin/cc is studio (when installed), /usr/gnu/bin/cc is gcc[07:35:43] <akhs> hi..[07:36:39] <akhs> Is it possible that nxge1 link can be configured to logical domain in Sun netra T5220?[07:36:54] <richlowe> but man should do the right things based on $PATH if $MANPATH is unset, so it should all line up :\[07:37:33] <akhs> I am trying it so but not able to fix it up![07:38:21] <Shoggoth> richlowe: I must have done something with MANPATH... I expect I must've downloaded some stuff from sunfreeware.com a while back... although I don't remember[07:38:33] <Shoggoth> it is a 2008.11 box after all[07:38:34] <Shoggoth> :)[07:39:01] <Shoggoth> well that's interesting - cc: Warning: illegal option -xarch=v9[07:39:12] <Shoggoth> I guess ./configure must have a preference for gcc[07:39:32] <alanc> Shoggoth: umm, v9 is short for sparcv9 - cc is not a cross-compiler[07:39:44] <richlowe> something in Desktop looks to clobber MANPATH, too.[07:39:54] <Shoggoth> eh... stupid me... _blindly_ following the README file :-\[07:39:58] <alanc> for 64-bit on x86 you want either -m64 or -xarch=amd64[07:40:02] *** cdd has joined #opensolaris[07:40:04] <richlowe> the MANPATH in the env of my editor is neither the MANPATH set by my shell init *or* correct.[07:40:11] * richlowe blames alanc[07:40:11] <cdd> hey[07:40:21] <richlowe> alanc: one desktop c-team, one destination for blame. it's bloody handy :)[07:40:26] <Shoggoth> I'm glad _one_ of is is awake :)[07:40:32] <Shoggoth> us*[07:42:58] <cdd> I had many problems with my opensolaris... I tried to update from snv_129 to snv_130[07:43:16] <cdd> but I received troubles because free space was the end[07:43:57] <cdd> I used my LiveCd and did "zpool import -f rescue -R rpool"[07:44:39] <cdd> so I can copy my files on /export/home/my_user[07:44:46] <akhs> anybody out there who can help me fixing problem in Sun Netra T5220..[07:45:03] <bda> T5220 is a SunFire, not a Netra, no?[07:45:09] <cdd> but I also want to copy my /etc/fstab[07:45:45] <[lewellyn]> /etc/fstab: No such file or directory[07:45:54] <akhs> I am not able to configure nxge1 10g links with one of the ldoms.[07:46:04] *** sejo has quit IRC[07:46:11] <cdd> how can I try to copy /etc/fstab[07:46:21] <cdd> I am sorry for my very very poor English[07:46:29] <alanc> cdd: OpenSolaris doesn't have /etc/fstab[07:46:38] <alanc> try /etc/vfstab[07:46:38] <bda> cdd: You probably want /etc/vfstab.[07:46:43] <richlowe> bda: there's commonly a Netra model, too. NEBS-ified[07:47:02] <cdd> oops I am sorry! I did mean /etc/vfstab[07:47:03] <alanc> but very few people here are likely to have used the Netra model[07:47:10] <bda> richlowe: huh.[07:47:24] <bda> I don't know what NEBS is, regardless.[07:47:28] <richlowe> for a while, they were NEBS'd versions of the same basic thing.[07:47:32] <richlowe> then they screwed that up with 5440[07:47:40] *** sejo has joined #opensolaris[07:47:56] *** sejo has quit IRC[07:48:12] <akhs> bda, for your reference, plz visit this link to get urself clearified..http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/servers/netra-carrier-grade/031589.htm[07:48:15] <Shoggoth> yet another annoying question from the Shoggoth: if I have a number of files inside of one mountpoint and do a mv of those files to a different mountpoing within the same zpool do I incur a copy penalty like a regular device-to-device move?[07:48:28] <richlowe> Yes[07:48:34] <Shoggoth> thanks[07:49:03] <Shoggoth> I was kind of hoping since zfs mountpoint were so light weight they might be a little more like a directory :)[07:49:13] <alanc> seems strange to think people who need to pay extra for carrier grade netras would run OpenSolaris on them[07:49:25] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[07:49:29] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[07:49:44] <alanc> you'd think they'd stick to OS'es with longer support lifes, like Solaris 10[07:49:49] <cdd> guys Is it possible copy my files ?[07:49:55] <Andys^> alanc: the OS is probably dictated by the carrier software vendor, who supports it[07:50:04] <richlowe> Andys^: makes it even less likely[07:50:27] <alanc> right - is the carrier software vendor going to recertify every 6-9 months?[07:50:30] <Shoggoth> my experience in the carrier space makes me surprised that they're using anything newer than sol9 :)[07:50:51] <akhs> system are running in sol 10..[07:50:55] <akhs> update 5.[07:51:06] *** hajma has quit IRC[07:52:45] <akhs> but I haven't got my answer..[07:52:49] <alanc> network configuration has changed quite a lot between S10U5 and opensolaris, reducing further the chances someone here would know how to help[07:52:59] <alanc> you may just have to call tech support[07:53:07] <alanc> or try the ldoms mailing list[07:53:45] <akhs> I joined that group but I never got a reply..[07:53:55] *** victori has quit IRC[07:54:07] <akhs> This is a best place to get help or ideas to solve your issues..[07:54:15] <[lewellyn]> akhs: for opensolaris[07:54:27] *** cdd has quit IRC[07:54:29] <[lewellyn]> akhs: for solaris, #solaris is more appropriate[07:55:06] <[lewellyn]> many of the people here haven't even ever logged into a solaris 10 system :P[07:55:11] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[07:55:21] * alanc has logged into Solaris 10, but never ldoms[07:55:37] <akhs> I was looking that I got some solution regarding nxge1 links with Ldom..[07:55:49] *** vivid has quit IRC[07:55:54] <akhs> I will post it in Ldom list.[07:56:14] <kohju> #solaris channel is exist.... oh i don't know :)[07:56:18] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[07:56:47] <[lewellyn]> akhs: i use solaris 10 on sparc but not ldoms[07:57:27] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[07:57:34] <akhs> lewellyn, can you tell me how can I go to #solaris room.[07:57:40] <[lewellyn]> akhs: /join #solaris[07:58:21] <akhs> lewellyn, Is it like openchat as here??[07:58:46] <[lewellyn]> i don't follow[07:59:10] <swa_work> heya [lewellyn][07:59:15] <[lewellyn]> swa_work: moo[07:59:15] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[07:59:37] *** chilicuil1 has joined #opensolaris[08:00:56] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[08:01:03] *** anibal has quit IRC[08:01:22] *** nickw has quit IRC[08:04:55] *** vivid has quit IRC[08:06:07] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[08:07:17] *** hemantha has quit IRC[08:07:48] <madwizard> Coffee[08:07:58] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[08:08:06] <[lewellyn]> sounds good[08:08:32] <madwizard> As always[08:10:02] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[08:11:19] <lblume> I had mine already.[08:13:34] *** victori has quit IRC[08:15:11] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[08:16:22] *** vivid has quit IRC[08:16:31] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[08:16:36] *** lamer0 has joined #opensolaris[08:20:04] *** MaxVandervelde has quit IRC[08:21:05] <madwizard> lblume: *One* I had too, already[08:21:17] <asyd> \_o<[08:22:04] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:28:10] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:33:53] <causality> madwizard frijj for me[08:34:16] <madwizard> causality: Whas dad?[08:34:20] <madwizard> s/dad/dat/[08:36:05] <causality> madwizard http://www.dairycrest.co.uk/media/19223/frijj.jpg[08:36:15] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[08:37:10] <madwizard> causality: Khmmm... I preffer unspoiled milk. Best as a part of a cow. :)[08:38:51] *** Guest19685 has quit IRC[08:48:21] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[08:49:11] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[08:50:03] <boos> hello[08:51:25] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[08:51:34] <madwizard> lo[08:53:00] *** zenroom has joined #opensolaris[08:54:31] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[08:56:05] <CIA-21> Gangadhar Mylapuram <Gangadhar.M at Sun dot COM>: 6417547 poolbind -e doesn't work with command contains slash[08:56:07] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:57:32] *** betchou has joined #opensolaris[09:03:06] *** hemantha has joined #opensolaris[09:03:40] *** hsp has quit IRC[09:10:19] *** akhs has quit IRC[09:11:57] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[09:11:57] *** ArcAngel has joined #opensolaris[09:12:24] <ArcAngel> hmm, is lsof a part of some package now on opensolaris? I can't find it at pkg.opensolaris.org[09:12:36] <richlowe> Don't think so[09:12:47] <ArcAngel> Your search - lsof - did not match any packages.[09:15:43] <Shoggoth> Andys^: are you still about?[09:15:56] <Andys^> yeah[09:15:58] <Andys^> sorta[09:16:14] *** smrt has quit IRC[09:16:27] <Shoggoth> I have another question about mbuffer[09:16:48] <Shoggoth> if I want to do a zfs send / ssh / zfs receive where should I run the mbuffer?[09:16:57] <Shoggoth> originating host, destination host or both?[09:17:03] <Andys^> zfs send | mbuffer | ssh | zfs receive[09:17:10] <Shoggoth> right! ta[09:17:32] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:17:34] <Shoggoth> that's what I suspected but I wasn't confident :([09:17:39] <ArcAngel> am i looking in the wrong place or something?[09:17:52] <ArcAngel> i find almost all other packages[09:17:54] <Shoggoth> thanks again![09:17:57] <ArcAngel> but not lsof[09:18:23] <Andys^> shoggoth: it gives you a nice readout too :)[09:19:03] <Shoggoth> yeah I noticed that in the man page... sweet![09:19:15] <Shoggoth> I'll try it when I do my next zfs send/recv[09:20:22] <Shoggoth> I'm still waiting for the current one to finish 843G of 897G ... almost there 1 day 5h 49m[09:20:26] <Andys^> and if you're doing it over a network you'll probably want to add a gzip -1 in there too[09:20:31] *** ma3x__ has joined #opensolaris[09:20:45] <Shoggoth> nah... it'll be over a virtual machine network... probably no point[09:20:50] <trochej> ArcAngel: http://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/[09:21:01] <ArcAngel> thank you trochej[09:21:04] <trochej> Np[09:22:02] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[09:24:10] *** ma3x_ has quit IRC[09:29:47] *** mikefut has quit IRC[09:30:09] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:30:42] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[09:31:13] *** madwizard has quit IRC[09:35:16] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[09:35:17] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[09:37:29] *** wrapster has joined #opensolaris[09:37:32] <wrapster> how is the date set during installation? I mean which script is responsible for it? any ideas?[09:40:54] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[09:56:05] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[09:56:15] *** logic is now known as logic855[09:57:10] <richlowe> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/caiman/slim_source/usr/src/cmd/gui-install/src/datetimezone-screen.c#615, I guess[10:02:00] <wrapster> ok thanks[10:02:26] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[10:03:16] *** twisti has quit IRC[10:03:30] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[10:04:31] *** chilicuil1 has quit IRC[10:07:27] *** miamano_ has quit IRC[10:07:59] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:08:56] *** miamano has joined #opensolaris[10:12:26] *** Praematura has quit IRC[10:13:17] <MGSsancho> I hate blurray on a desktop[10:13:39] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[10:13:58] <MGSsancho> powerdvd recommended using an analog connection because i clearly want to want to watch my movies at 480p and not 1080p[10:14:22] <Stric> is "blurray" supposed to be a joke? if so, it's not funny.. if not, you're spelling it wrong. "Blu-ray"[10:14:29] <MGSsancho> despite the fact that its own tool likes my hcdp complient rig[10:14:49] <wdp> .oO( good that i'm using mplayer )[10:15:18] <MGSsancho> spent thousands on my system, bought all approved gear and it wont run, I refuse to spell their products correctly =)[10:15:35] <Stric> yeah, just make a fool of yourself instead[10:15:52] * MGSsancho doesn't need help with that ;)[10:16:54] <MGSsancho> lol I figured now I will just rip all my movies and watch them that way. I tried to watch them ligitimently[10:17:20] *** Praematura has joined #opensolaris[10:17:28] <MGSsancho> maybe tomorrow ill see if osol support reading/writing to a BD-ROM[10:19:10] <MGSsancho> anyone got an suggestions for what BD-ROM is good for? maybe ill just return it[10:19:34] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[10:19:36] <[lewellyn]> MGSsancho: funny, powerdvd is happy with my dvi and hdmi connections. haven't tried displayport yet.[10:19:49] *** madwizard has joined #opensolaris[10:19:53] <[lewellyn]> and bd-re is poor-man's archival ;)[10:20:05] <[lewellyn]> (they're relatively expensive, but far cheaper than tape still)[10:20:27] <MGSsancho> maybe it doesnt like my dvi cable? advisor tool had no beef with it. i can use hdmi ill try it later[10:20:50] <[lewellyn]> powerdvd is a finicky beast. it doesn't like my usb speakers[10:20:58] <[lewellyn]> happy with miniplug though[10:21:49] <MGSsancho> oh well, i can play rips hardware acclerated no problems, ill just rip all my videos to .ISOs[10:22:10] *** Phenox_ has joined #opensolaris[10:22:22] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[10:23:20] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[10:24:05] <MGSsancho> [lewellyn], you down? http://i.imgur.com/KrhK2.jpg[10:24:24] *** Phenox_ has left #opensolaris[10:24:46] *** Phenox_ has joined #opensolaris[10:26:03] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[10:27:21] <MGSsancho> Stric: you can play winner.[10:27:55] *** madwizard has quit IRC[10:30:13] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:30:41] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[10:34:49] *** hrist is now known as strangeguy[10:38:20] *** madwizard has joined #opensolaris[10:39:40] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[10:39:59] *** paul has quit IRC[10:40:22] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[10:44:16] *** mlh has quit IRC[10:45:39] <[lewellyn]> MGSsancho: sorry. i'm doing something i'm putting actions where my mouth is right now.[10:45:48] <[lewellyn]> something where even[10:47:59] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[10:48:32] *** system5 has quit IRC[10:48:38] <madwizard> Coffee[10:49:01] *** system5 has joined #opensolaris[10:51:45] *** chendy has quit IRC[10:51:54] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[10:53:45] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[10:55:04] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[10:55:55] *** MattMan has quit IRC[10:58:55] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[11:05:41] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[11:06:41] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[11:07:58] *** strangeguy is now known as strangeguz[11:08:43] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:09:36] *** strangeguz is now known as strangeguy[11:10:32] *** DerSaidi1 has joined #opensolaris[11:10:55] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:10:59] <Shoggoth> does zfs only create a block-level checksum or does it also have a per-file checksum stored somewhere in the meta-data?[11:11:45] <asyd> per block afaik[11:12:01] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[11:12:17] <Shoggoth> is there a simple way to obtain a list of all the blocks for each file and the checksums for said blocks?[11:12:53] <Stric> zdb probably has something, which is probably not optimized for what you want[11:13:10] <Shoggoth> ok... fair 'nuff[11:13:20] <Stric> there is no official api[11:13:51] *** chendy__ has joined #opensolaris[11:13:53] <Shoggoth> right[11:14:08] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[11:15:02] <[lewellyn]> zdb != fun[11:15:18] <Shoggoth> lol[11:15:26] *** chendy has quit IRC[11:15:34] *** chendy__ is now known as chendy[11:15:41] <[lewellyn]> someone should make a zdb gui. ;)[11:15:45] * [lewellyn] is NOT volunteering for that[11:16:53] *** chendy_ has quit IRC[11:16:56] <mui> visual zdb[11:16:59] <mui> :P[11:17:02] * [lewellyn] volunteers mui[11:17:06] * mui hides[11:17:12] <madwizard> Here[11:17:15] <madwizard> Have a coffee[11:17:15] <[lewellyn]> you were the first one to talk! ;)[11:17:31] <madwizard> mui: And you knew what GUI meant, you qualify[11:17:47] <[lewellyn]> that seems to be the only barrier to entry lately, anyhow[11:18:01] <madwizard> Yup[11:18:04] <mui> isnt that opensource[11:18:08] <mui> :P[11:18:10] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[11:18:17] <[lewellyn]> if you build it, they will come[11:18:24] <[lewellyn]> oh hey. we can volunteer seanmcg![11:18:38] <madwizard> +1[11:18:57] <[lewellyn]> seanmcg: is more qualified than mui, i expect ;)[11:19:16] <[lewellyn]> seanmcg: btw, hi :)[11:20:00] <jbit> "Any options supported by this command are internal to Sun and subject to change at any time."[11:20:10] <jbit> sounds like a fun thing to write a gui for[11:20:13] *** DerSaidi1 is now known as DerSaidin[11:20:19] <[lewellyn]> jbit: and seanmcg is internal to sun![11:20:25] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[11:20:25] *** DerSaidin has joined #opensolaris[11:20:26] <jbit> :)[11:20:48] <[lewellyn]> (he'll look at his highlights in a bit and wtf, surely)[11:22:00] <mui> :p[11:22:00] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[11:22:44] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[11:22:45] <jbit> talking of debugger interfaces... i hope netbeans 7.0 hurries up and has dbx support[11:23:04] <jbit> sun studio gui doesn't have some of the nice stuff newer sun studios have[11:23:14] <jbit> s/sun studios hav/netbeans have/[11:24:06] <[lewellyn]> they need an ide with integrated porn browser. that'd turn around the decline in CS enrollments![11:25:30] <jbit> ah wait, it actually seems there's some support http://wiki.netbeans.org/Dbx68Support[11:27:50] <RoyK> hi all. are there docs available on how to make opensolaris log properly? I have system hangs, possibly related to virtualbox, but I can find nothing in the logs. Even if vbox would be doing something bad, I find it strange that vbox alone should be able to take down the whole system[11:31:40] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris[11:33:27] <Bateau> any idea what the holdup is with 2010.03? (not asking when, just wondering how big the issue is, if anyone has a clue)[11:38:45] <mui> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=126677&tstart=0[11:38:48] <mui> has some idea[11:38:59] <mui> nobody knows, cannot tell.[11:41:42] * seanmcg has no idea what [lewellyn] or jbit are talking about[11:42:08] <seanmcg> [lewellyn], I'm not internal to sun..[11:42:18] <seanmcg> s/sun/oracle/ :)[11:42:35] <mui> but you could be![11:43:00] <mui> now you say you're not irish![11:43:15] <jbit> mui: wow, that thread.....[11:43:35] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[11:43:39] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[11:44:06] <mui> yeah[11:44:14] <madwizard> seanmcg: You just agreed to write GUI for zdb[11:44:24] <jbit> "zomg! it's delayed by a week! oracle have killed the project!"[11:44:30] *** aszeszo_ has joined #opensolaris[11:44:31] <madwizard> seanmcg: We are deliriously happy that you volunteered[11:44:33] <mui> people start getting agitated by delays and oracle[11:45:01] <madwizard> seanmcg: Now, please have weorking beta tomorow noon. :)[11:45:05] <mui> most excellent point is that[11:45:07] <mui> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6924824[11:45:17] <mui> I'm not seeing any release before that is fixed[11:45:20] <mui> imo[11:45:29] <madwizard> Responsible Engineer Mark Maybee[11:45:31] <madwizard> ROTFL[11:46:15] <jbit> mui: that is a bit of a blocker[11:46:20] <mui> yes[11:46:21] <madwizard> Yup[11:46:35] *** edogawaconan has quit IRC[11:46:35] <[lewellyn]> mui: i don't see an upgrade till some of the pkg bugs are fixed, either :P[11:46:39] <jbit> it's still orcales fault!!!1111[11:46:48] <mui> could be yes[11:46:56] <[lewellyn]> going 111b->134 means a lucky rabbit's foot in your pocket :P[11:47:19] <jbit> i like how installing svn also installs firefox still[11:47:27] <jbit> wish they'd fix that :([11:47:39] <seanmcg> zdb has a 'gui', you can use it through emacs ;)[11:47:42] <[lewellyn]> jbit: i'm more wishing contrib worked properly :P[11:47:59] <[lewellyn]> seanmcg: point and click! easier to use than vpanels! get on it! ;)[11:48:02] <jbit> [lewellyn]: well it's annoying when you have firefox and half of gnome in a server zone[11:48:19] <[lewellyn]> jbit: i end up with that on AMP boxes anyhow, it seems :P[11:48:32] <jbit> it's cos libproxy depends on firefox[11:48:39] <[lewellyn]> imagemagick + gd + [...] all starts bringing in X and gnome cruft[11:48:47] <seanmcg> [lewellyn], is there enough people wanting a gui for zdb ? I'd smile if this was -6 days ago[11:48:48] <[lewellyn]> seanmcg: Not here.[11:48:48] <jbit> so anything that uses libproxy (svn, etc, etc) pulls in firefox which pulls in most of gnome[11:48:57] <jbit> [lewellyn]: ah, that too :)[11:48:58] <[lewellyn]> seanmcg: heh. we were joking[11:49:15] * [lewellyn] should unaway some day[11:49:15] *** edogawaconan has joined #opensolaris[11:49:44] <seanmcg> zenity for the zdb gui, they've both got 'z' in the name :)[11:49:50] <jbit> [lewellyn]: but then people might talk to you[11:50:11] <mui> fear teh social interaction[11:50:38] <jbit> i'm always marked as "in a meeting" at work in outlook[11:50:38] <[lewellyn]> jbit: yeah. as opposed to the like 10% chance i autorespond that i'm not here when highlighted ;)[11:50:44] <timsf> Of course zdb needs a gui. It needs to look *exactly* like this: http://okcancel.com/strips/okcancel20031010.gif[11:51:11] <asyd> hehe[11:51:26] <[lewellyn]> timsf: it already looks like that in emacs! ;)[11:51:44] <timsf> :wq![11:52:10] <jbit> :w still looks like an odd smiley[11:52:58] <timsf> ha[11:54:37] <[lewellyn]> vampire duck[11:55:01] <jbit> \_o<[11:55:30] <asyd> hey!![11:55:33] * asyd look at jbit[11:55:36] *** dalibor has quit IRC[11:55:44] <jbit> what?[11:56:03] <[lewellyn]> you stole his duck![11:56:13] <jbit> >o_/[11:56:27] <asyd> ~~~~~~[11:56:35] *** ApOgEE__ is now known as ApOgEE[11:56:35] <madwizard> I always thought it's a guy with sword over his head. :)[11:56:58] * madwizard bangs his head on the table[11:57:17] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[11:57:18] <asyd> :)[12:02:25] <[lewellyn]> madwizard: you're just more imaginative ;)[12:02:36] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:03:42] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[12:03:48] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[12:03:57] <richlowe> madwizard: wouldn't that involve him having 3 arms?[12:04:04] <richlowe> or one really big ear.[12:04:15] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[12:06:57] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[12:07:16] <madwizard> richlowe: I thought the guy is rendered horizontally[12:07:22] <madwizard> \ a sword[12:07:24] <madwizard> _ a arm[12:07:29] <madwizard> o a head[12:07:39] <madwizard> < body[12:07:46] <madwizard> Anyway[12:07:48] <madwizard> Coffee helps[12:08:18] <samc> Any of you guys using GPG from the SUNWgnupg package? I've got it installed, but I'm not able to decrypt anything with my existing key -- I believe because the OpenSolaris package isn't built with the CAST5 cipher enabled (see http://linux.gen.nz/gpg-opensolaris.html for output -- pastebin site seems to be down)[12:08:27] <samc> Any ideas?[12:10:56] <samc> I'd submit a bug report, but for all I know CAST5 has been disabled for a good reason[12:11:02] <samc> google so far hasn't turned up much though[12:15:48] *** swift has quit IRC[12:15:51] <mui> I'd like my zdb gui to be like nethack is[12:16:07] *** swift has joined #opensolaris[12:16:10] <richlowe> samc: I see similar output using a key created with gpg 1.x[12:16:43] <samc> yeah, that key was created with gpg 1.x I believe[12:16:44] <[lewellyn]> samc: it doesn't look to be purposely disabled: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/sfw/usr/src/cmd/gnupg/Makefile.sfw[12:17:24] <[lewellyn]> i don't see any patches applicable to that sort of issue either[12:17:33] <samc> [lewellyn]: ahh magic, was wondering if that kind of info was around, wasn't sure where to look though :)[12:17:39] <samc> I'll chuck in a bug report just in case it's an oversight[12:18:03] <richlowe> this is the first I noticed gpg was there, too.[12:18:33] <richlowe> so I was excited for almost a whole sentence.[12:18:34] <richlowe> then boom![12:18:41] <samc> looks like it's a fairly new package .. the oldest version is 130[12:21:26] *** MattMan has quit IRC[12:24:20] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:24:31] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:25:54] *** jfisc has quit IRC[12:26:19] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[12:27:57] *** aszeszo_ has quit IRC[12:27:59] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[12:29:10] *** chendy has quit IRC[12:35:57] *** Odin- has quit IRC[12:39:04] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[12:39:09] *** swift_ has joined #opensolaris[12:40:42] <madwizard> gdamore: Unfortunately I don't have ability to test the card reader in CR 6595780[12:40:54] <madwizard> gdamore: I'll try to get it somehow[12:41:28] *** swift has quit IRC[12:41:33] *** swift_ is now known as swift[12:42:36] *** purserj has quit IRC[12:42:55] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[12:43:15] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[12:46:06] *** Bateau has quit IRC[12:46:32] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[12:48:01] <samc> right, bug submitted .. bedtime for me.[12:48:05] <samc> seeyas later :)[12:48:16] *** Kedare has joined #opensolaris[12:49:15] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[12:51:10] *** jmcp has quit IRC[12:51:17] <devians> heya, can you define a 'service shutdown' in a manifest file? i have a service i need to run stop on when the system goes for shutdown.[12:51:33] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[12:51:33] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[12:53:40] <[lewellyn]> there's a stop method in the method[12:55:04] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[12:56:19] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[12:56:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[13:02:34] <devians> its not being called on shutdown[13:03:49] *** jmcp has quit IRC[13:03:52] <[lewellyn]> dunno. i don't know who to ping either right now[13:04:07] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[13:04:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[13:04:11] <devians> bummer[13:04:40] <devians> its just annoying because the vm its managing doesnt shutdown cleanly before the host does, so it doesnt come back up cleanly[13:04:55] <[lewellyn]> that... blows[13:05:40] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[13:06:01] <devians> ?[13:08:10] *** scottdickson has joined #opensolaris[13:10:19] *** cato_ has quit IRC[13:11:17] <[lewellyn]> devians: that's an unfortunate situation[13:12:02] <devians> indeed. it was just odd phrasing from you :)[13:12:06] <|woody|> devians virtualbox?[13:12:34] <[lewellyn]> devians: it's common phrasing from me ;)[13:12:43] <[lewellyn]> i'm more polite on irc ;)[13:13:06] <[lewellyn]> in person, i'd probably say that sucks donkey balls, or something far more crude.[13:13:09] <devians> woody, indeed, ive pinched sstallions manifest etc and modified it.[13:14:51] <|woody|> I use this: http://adumont.serveblog.net/2009/07/21/virtualbox-smf/ works well. excapt that the blog is down :)[13:15:21] <devians> i use this : http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2009/11/headless-sun-xvm-virtualbox-via-smf.html[13:15:46] *** mlisok_ has joined #opensolaris[13:15:46] <devians> although i modified it to use child not transient and to use VBoxHeadless. It keeps track of the vm and will keep it alive that way.[13:16:15] <devians> it just seemed like a more elegant solution than alex's one.[13:17:15] <|woody|> thats probably allmost the same way as the other one[13:17:33] <devians> it's very similar[13:17:50] <devians> sstallions one deals with multiple machines better, atleast from memory[13:18:52] <mlisok_> Has anybody succseded in sharing folders between Windows (host) and the OpenSolaris? More info: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=127378&tstart=0[13:23:15] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[13:26:20] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[13:27:19] <johannes> mlisok_: it's more a vbox than opensolaris question; you don't need the IP for the shared hosts thing buthaveto mount a special file system ... can't remeber it, but it's in the vbox docs[13:28:17] <[lewellyn]> mount -F vboxfs foldername /mnt/point # or similar[13:28:55] <[lewellyn]> i hate to say it, but rtfm. it has directions ;)[13:29:30] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[13:31:40] <lblume> [lewellyn]: You hate to say RTFM? Really? ;-)[13:32:31] <madwizard> I hate to say: Coffee[13:32:34] <madwizard> But I said it[13:33:11] <mlisok_> "mount:Downloads: Invalid argument" - I tried this many times. It doesn't work.[13:33:12] <[lewellyn]> lblume: yes. i prefer to send questions like that to better channels.[13:33:14] <[lewellyn]> ;)[13:33:21] <[lewellyn]> mlisok_: ok, ask #vbox :)[13:33:25] <[lewellyn]> :D[13:39:39] <ArcAngel> i can't imagine why there is no lsof opensolaris package/binary[13:40:25] <ArcAngel> isn't there some other repos i can add to package manager that does contain lsof?[13:40:42] *** twisti has quit IRC[13:40:52] <jmcp> ArcAngel: what does lsof give you that pfiles does not?[13:40:54] <madwizard> ArcAngel: Not any that I know of[13:41:23] <ArcAngel> jmcp: our monitoring uses lsof =\[13:41:24] <[lewellyn]> jmcp: consistent cross-platform output?[13:41:30] <madwizard> Yup[13:41:34] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain lsof[13:41:35] <smrt> lsof does not ship by default with Solaris. It is not difficult to build, but if you are using it for the "normal" reason of seeing which ports are open, try pcp. (See also: pcp)[13:41:36] <madwizard> I was about to say something like that[13:41:42] <[lewellyn]> blah[13:41:58] <[lewellyn]> i think it's in SFE, but smrt's right. it's easy to build[13:42:02] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[13:42:04] <madwizard> It is in SFE[13:42:14] <ArcAngel> i could take a look if pfiles can do the same[13:42:20] <ArcAngel> and else write some wrapper[13:43:36] * [lewellyn] wonders if he's built it for sfe[13:43:48] *** tg has quit IRC[13:44:19] <[lewellyn]> if i have, i've not pushed it to my directory for use elsewhere[13:44:50] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[13:45:18] <ArcAngel> hmm no[13:45:28] <ArcAngel> lsof uses specific flags[13:45:36] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain spec-files-extra[13:45:37] <smrt> spec-files-extra (SFE) is a collection of popular software which is not yet in OpenSolaris, but should be. The project ports software and creates spec files for packages. You need pkgbuild to use SFE, see: explain pkgbuild , bootstrap-sfe-latest-os20nn , http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/ , http://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/ the wiki explains how to use the build environment and gives installati[13:45:47] <[lewellyn]> smrt: explain pkgbuild[13:45:48] <smrt> pkgbuild builds software packages for OpenSolaris from recipes (spec files). It is used for JDS (desktop), Source Juicer, and spec-files-extra (SFE) packages. http://pkgbuild.wiki.sourceforge.net/pkgbuild+on+OpenSolaris explains how to use pkgbuild and related tools. #pkgbuild hosts pkgbuild and packaging related discussion. (See also: explain spec-files-extra, bootstrap-sfe-latest-os20nn)[13:45:52] <[lewellyn]> see that wiki link :)[13:46:00] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[13:46:09] <ArcAngel> ok, thanks =)[13:49:14] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[13:51:03] *** kimc has quit IRC[13:51:03] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[13:54:05] *** mlisok_ has quit IRC[13:54:34] *** gm152 has quit IRC[13:56:12] <CIA-21> Jiri Svoboda <Jiri.Svoboda at Sun dot COM>: 6891680 Never get a callback on MP_RegisterForObjectPropertyChanges MPAPI functions for SAN events[13:59:15] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[13:59:42] *** syamajala has quit IRC[14:00:03] *** macros73 has joined #opensolaris[14:05:59] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[14:09:02] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[14:11:16] *** twisti has quit IRC[14:11:31] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[14:13:30] *** Mick27 has joined #opensolaris[14:21:11] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[14:21:31] *** tg has quit IRC[14:22:33] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[14:24:54] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[14:29:58] *** Fallen_Demon has quit IRC[14:30:47] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[14:39:26] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[14:45:35] <causality> anyone got a recommendation on a good value budger modern b/w laser printer?[14:45:38] <causality> budget[14:45:51] *** robo has joined #opensolaris[14:46:19] *** Mick27 has quit IRC[14:49:21] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[14:50:33] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[14:50:36] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[14:52:20] *** MaxVandervelde has joined #opensolaris[14:54:04] <Bateau> brothers are cheap and have decent quality, but be wary of drum damage when clearing paper jams[14:54:40] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[14:57:05] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[15:00:13] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[15:00:28] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[15:01:20] *** dalibor__ has joined #opensolaris[15:04:06] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:04:07] *** dalibor__ is now known as dalibor[15:05:03] *** dalibor_ has quit IRC[15:07:08] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb[15:12:06] <RoyK> I have /dpool/somedata and /dpool/somedata/sat_data - is there a way to separate sat_data into its own dataset without rename/create/move?[15:12:25] <RoyK> it's like 2TiB so moving it will take a while[15:13:29] *** phimic has quit IRC[15:14:46] <Andys^> no[15:14:53] <Andys^> use tar + mbuffer[15:14:55] *** caldwell has joined #opensolaris[15:15:18] <Andys^> Caldwell?[15:16:22] <seanmcg> RoyK, possibly clone and promote the clone[15:17:25] <Andys^> that isn't really what he was asking for[15:18:44] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[15:18:48] <seanmcg> its a way of seperating sat_data into its own dataset, like he asked.. your method (tar + mbuffer) works too..[15:19:18] <Andys^> sat_data is a directory, not a filesystem[15:19:51] <Andys^> so.. if he used snapshot + clone, it would take the whole filesystem, and not just that directory[15:20:57] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[15:21:52] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:21:52] *** dalibor_ is now known as dalibor[15:22:42] <smrt> 你好！ ：）[15:23:01] <seanmcg> ah, ok. I was under the impression sat_data was another dataset, child of somedata[15:23:06] <[lewellyn]> hm. ok... that's not the problem...[15:23:12] * [lewellyn] tinkers with smrt more.[15:23:19] <seanmcg> [lewellyn], getting multilingual now ?[15:23:57] *** geppy has joined #opensolaris[15:24:02] <[lewellyn]> smrt? that's what i was testing[15:25:07] <geppy> Is it possible for me to use dtrace to print registers on every function entry for a given kernel module (zfs)?[15:25:17] <geppy> Stepping through with mdb gets old.[15:30:19] *** jbit has quit IRC[15:30:19] *** jbit has joined #opensolaris[15:33:37] <madwizard> Last coffee today[15:35:24] <echobinary> Any attempt to brew coffee with a teapot should result in the error code "418 I'm a teapot". The resulting entity body MAY be short and stout. Read more: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2324.html#ixzz0kQBnvqgG[15:36:39] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[15:36:44] <seanmcg> geppy, uregs[] array, but thats only with userspace apps. Possibly with 'regs[]' array ?[15:36:59] <seanmcg> s/array/hash array/[15:37:05] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[15:37:37] *** eXeC001er has joined #opensolaris[15:37:41] <eXeC001er> Hi[15:37:48] <echobinary> Hi[15:38:03] <eXeC001er> I have issue with inetconv in b134.[15:38:42] <geppy> seanmcg: Thanks! I've never actually _used_ dtrace before. I've read the whitepapers and watched the videos as they've come out, but I have no idea how to actually use it . . . so I'd also need a pointer in the right direction for learning how to instrument the kernel and whatnot.[15:38:43] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[15:39:32] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[15:39:39] <seanmcg> geppy the scripts in /opt/DTT are great for learnng with. Thanks to Brendan Gregg.[15:39:47] <geppy> seanmcg: Great, thanks![15:40:01] <eXeC001er> in previos version 'inetconv' works fine, in this build it create xml file and write import OK, but i don't see SMF service.[15:41:04] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[15:41:04] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[15:41:07] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[15:43:26] *** ThePickle has joined #opensolaris[15:45:06] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:45:25] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[15:48:12] *** m0zes has joined #opensolaris[15:48:47] <geppy> seanmcg: I'm not seeing such a folder: is there an alternate installation directory or a package I might be missing? I have dtrace(1M)[15:49:50] *** kukhuvud has joined #opensolaris[15:49:58] <DerSaidin> geppy: install it with pkg[15:50:32] <DerSaidin> pkg install developer/dtrace/toolkit[15:50:43] <geppy> DerSaidin: Thanks![15:51:24] *** dtech has quit IRC[15:53:00] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[15:53:19] *** lateau has joined #opensolaris[15:53:29] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[15:53:53] <seanmcg> geppy, what version of opensolaris do you have, the dtrace toolkit should be there[15:54:22] <geppy> seanmcg: "uname -a" says "5.11 snv_101b"[15:55:15] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[15:56:08] <DerSaidin> in that case it may not be where I said[15:56:34] <effnorwood> i have a strange one - came in today to find one of our x4500s hung at "Mounting ZFS filesystems" - any ideas on WTF?[15:57:06] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[15:57:40] *** andersenep has quit IRC[16:00:34] <geppy> DerSaidin: Do I need to add the dev repository for that?[16:00:35] *** plat- has quit IRC[16:01:35] <megaTherion> effnorwood: maybe you wanna check that thru an livecd or some such[16:01:51] <DerSaidin> geppy: DTT would be in release repo, just not under that name[16:02:08] <effnorwood> MegaTherion - thanks, i'm doing a milestone=none boot to figure it out[16:02:47] <geppy> DerSaidin: Oh, okay. I've been stumbling around with pkg ever since I started using OpenSolaris a year ago . . . "pkg search -r foo" gives me files when I just want package names. What's the equivalent of "apt-cache search foo"?[16:03:31] <timsf> geppy, it's in the pkg man page[16:03:40] <timsf> put '<' '>' around the pkg search query[16:03:53] <timsf> There's an RFE logged to make that the default.[16:04:09] <geppy> timsf: Ah, great, glad to hear it. :)[16:04:23] <timsf> or use -p[16:04:38] <timsf> no worried.[16:04:43] <timsf> worries, even..[16:04:46] <geppy> haha[16:04:54] *** MaxVandervelde has quit IRC[16:05:08] <seanmcg> geppy, snv_101b is very very old...[16:05:18] <geppy> Yeah, I used -p, but it ended up printing the same things multiple times. Either I need to read the man page a little more closely or I need to cat it through `uniq` . . . :)[16:06:10] <geppy> Ah, no, I was mistaken. Apparently it's printing different versions of the same package. Interesting! Now it makes more sense why building a "plan" is necessary . . .[16:07:57] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[16:08:35] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[16:09:45] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[16:12:36] <geppy> seanmcg: I'm aware of that. I'm actually going to upgrade as soon as[16:12:50] <geppy> I fix these few bugs I've been having. I'm worried that if I upgrade I might not be able to reproduce them anymore.[16:13:50] <DerSaidin> so your worried that the updates have already fixed them? :p[16:15:13] <geppy> DerSaidin: haha, well, not exactly. I've checked the current sources and am confident that the bugs still exist.[16:16:04] <geppy> My real concern, I guess, is that I'm worried about getting a new version of ZFS while my pool is awaiting resync and so probably can't be upgraded.[16:16:49] <geppy> Oh, also there was someone on the mailing list with one of the same issues in December . . . and I think someone had one of the same issues a few weeks ago.[16:19:49] <seanmcg> geppy try: pkg install SUNWDtraceToolkit[16:19:58] <geppy> seanmcg: Thanks.[16:21:31] <effnorwood> i can boot this x4500 into single user mode and milestone=none with no problems. a reboot still has it hang at "Mounting ZFS filesystems" huh.[16:21:42] <effnorwood> any ideas?[16:21:54] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[16:22:05] *** swa_ has joined #opensolaris[16:22:24] <geppy> SUNWDtraceToolkit and variations thereof aren't working, I've verified that I'm using /release/[16:23:45] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[16:23:54] *** swa_work has quit IRC[16:24:24] <geppy> effnorwood: It's not printing any other errors (e.g. "such and such mountpoint is in use")?[16:26:04] <effnorwood> no - it's just hanging there - so strange[16:26:15] <effnorwood> every time i think i've seen it all, something new happens.[16:26:22] <geppy> So it goes.[16:26:27] *** fedreric has joined #opensolaris[16:27:20] <|woody|> well boot with verbose flag to see if it hangs with zfs or if it's something else[16:27:46] <effnorwood> |woody| is that just -v ? thanks![16:28:08] <timsf> effnorwood: Define "hanging". What release is this. Do you have any zvol snapshots? What process is running when it' "hung" ?[16:28:36] *** biant92 has quit IRC[16:28:43] <|woody|> yes just -v[16:28:45] <timsf> If it's what I think it is, the system will be doing a "zfs volinit" and will be taking its time creating devlinks for each zvol snapshot.[16:28:45] <effnorwood> snv_131. yes, the root fs has snapshots. dedup enabled on another fs[16:28:50] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[16:28:58] <timsf> ok, probably not what I was thinking of then,[16:29:00] <effnorwood> ok i will reboot it with -v[16:29:03] <timsf> back to the drawing board.[16:29:25] <effnorwood> i can delete those snapshots though[16:29:34] <effnorwood> let's see what -v says[16:29:39] <|woody|> geppy SUNWDtraceToolkit is not there for 101b :)[16:29:54] <|woody|> oh sorry it is[16:30:15] *** ozux has quit IRC[16:30:33] *** tg has quit IRC[16:30:39] *** biant92 has joined #opensolaris[16:31:52] <timsf> effnorwood: it's only a problem if they're snapshots of zvols, and even then I think the bug I'm thinking of is long since fixed.[16:32:00] <effnorwood> i booted with -v and got all kinds of delicious verbosity, it got to "Mounting ZFS filesystems" and just hangs there - not doing anything[16:33:38] <effnorwood> one of the things i love about opensolaris is how it keeps me in business with new surprises everyday. i would hate it as a salaried admin. but i love it as a consultant. :)[16:33:45] <geppy> hahaha[16:33:59] <effnorwood> well - hate is too strong a word because zfs is truly awesome.[16:34:14] <geppy> Well, that's why _I'm_ here, to be sure.[16:34:34] *** norm1 has joined #opensolaris[16:34:36] <effnorwood> so what now? delete my snapshots and try again?[16:34:45] <effnorwood> just wait it out?[16:34:45] <mui> just wait[16:34:46] *** norm1 has left #opensolaris[16:34:46] <timsf> If you can wait, wait.[16:35:08] <effnorwood> sure will do.[16:35:15] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[16:35:16] <timsf> If you're more interested in seeing what's happening, boot with -k and drop out to kmdb from time to time and see what's running[16:35:25] <timsf> but that's not for newbies.[16:35:27] <geppy> Dtrace is cool, though I haven't used it yet. And zones/brandz are pretty cool. If I want to run my zones ideas by people before applying to GSoC (I know it's late), should I do it on the mailing list?[16:35:57] <geppy> That's what I'm doing right now. It is fun![16:35:59] <seanmcg> geppy, sure[16:35:59] <effnorwood> timsf - ah the minus k. i like it.[16:36:00] <geppy> For some definition of fun.[16:36:10] <geppy> seanmcg: Thanks.[16:36:28] <seanmcg> timsf is should be a condition for newbies to learn it !-)[16:38:03] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[16:38:05] <timsf> Feel free to write the howto seanmcg![16:38:21] <megaTherion> someone knows a fix for these error message related .ICEAuthority which appear on startup gdm?[16:38:44] <seanmcg> timsf echo ::help | mdb -k[16:38:54] <geppy> megaTherion: Is the home directory writable? Is that file there but owned by another user or with improper permissions?[16:39:20] <timsf> I would submit that dcmd help isn't quite at the level more people need![16:39:32] <megaTherion> geppy: appeared on a update Im on snv_134 atm - well sure home is writable[16:39:38] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[16:39:45] <geppy> megaTherion: What's the exact error message?[16:39:45] <megaTherion> no the file is only owned by the user I log in with, however those messages appear before logging in[16:39:50] <seanmcg> timsf then you're not trying hard enough :)[16:40:00] <megaTherion> geppy: Im unsure, they are common though many ppl had them[16:40:00] *** jmcp has quit IRC[16:40:20] <timsf> s/more people/most people/[16:41:08] <geppy> megaTherion: Can you check the permissions on the file?[16:41:13] <megaTherion> geppy: sure I'll do so[16:41:39] <seanmcg> megaTherion, google for it, theres some bugs logged in defect.opensolaris.org about that[16:41:49] <megaTherion> ok[16:41:54] <megaTherion> thanks[16:43:20] *** brad_ has joined #opensolaris[16:43:32] <brad_> hi..[16:43:40] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[16:44:21] <brad_> I am not able to configure 10g nxge1 link with ldom???[16:45:17] <mui> in 111b?[16:45:20] <alanc> megaTherion: known bug listed in the 134 release notes (link is in /topic) - the problem is the home directory for the gdm user needed to be changed on upgrade, but isn't if you upgrade from a version before the pkg image-update fix for that bug went in[16:45:33] *** nitrile_ has quit IRC[16:45:51] <megaTherion> alanc: what home directory, /??[16:46:26] <alanc> if it failed to upgrade, yes, the gdm account will have a home directory of /, which the gdm user cannot write to[16:46:42] <alanc> the fix is shown in the release notes to change the gdm home directory to one it can write to[16:46:54] <megaTherion> well that's easy I suppose[16:47:05] <megaTherion> alanc: isnt it enough when I change the perm of /.Xauthority?[16:47:17] <geppy> megaTherion: Not if the home directory changed.[16:47:29] <megaTherion> I didnt change anything ;)[16:47:42] <megaTherion> /etc/passwd says its /[16:47:54] *** Kedare has quit IRC[16:48:45] *** ant has joined #opensolaris[16:48:53] <brad_> mui, in 5220.[16:49:13] <mui> yes but are you running 111b?[16:49:13] *** ant is now known as Guest88421[16:49:20] <mui> afaik nxge 10g support was added later on[16:49:37] <brad_> am using solaris 10..[16:49:43] <mui> oh :p[16:49:58] <Stric> brad_: then #solaris is probably more correct[16:50:05] *** houst0n has quit IRC[16:50:05] *** raichoo has quit IRC[16:50:10] <mui> oem vendors provide drivers[16:50:10] *** Guest88421 has quit IRC[16:50:13] <mui> as broadcom itself could too[16:50:16] *** calumb is now known as calSHOP[16:50:39] <brad_> #solaris is not helpful..[16:50:55] <brad_> #opensolaris is the best place .[16:50:58] *** kimc has left #opensolaris[16:51:06] <Stric> brad_: you haven't even asked there[16:51:06] <brad_> to get things fixed up.[16:51:29] <brad_> yesterday I raised the issue..[16:51:40] <brad_> right now again..[16:51:45] <brad_> but no response!![16:51:48] <brad_> :([16:52:01] <Stric> um. I'm in there and you're not[16:52:19] <ArcAngel> so[16:52:33] <brad_> am with user ID :- XS4-307.[16:52:35] <Stric> you're probably on some other network, misspelled the name or something[16:52:36] <ArcAngel> would you guys say Solaris expert == OpenSolaris expert?[16:52:51] <Stric> 16:57 ::: There is no such nick xs4-307[16:52:57] <geppy> Would you say "NT expert == Windows 2003" expert?[16:53:03] <ArcAngel> exactly[16:53:03] <brad_> I am in #solaris[16:53:13] <ArcAngel> something they don't seem to get at my work[16:53:15] <Stric> brad_: not on freenode[16:53:34] <ArcAngel> i know solaris so i know opensolaris[16:53:45] <ArcAngel> when i failed at something they said "oh, we thought you knew solaris"[16:53:49] <brad_> Stric, Which one should I try on??[16:53:51] <ArcAngel> eheh[16:53:57] <ArcAngel> well not failed[16:54:01] <geppy> ArcAngel: haha, yeah. I was telling one of my friends how great ZFS is, and now he's hiring me to fix his Solaris boxes. Oh well, they're probably just needing a *nix guy, they're all EEs.[16:54:03] <ArcAngel> took me a while to find out[16:54:11] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[16:54:12] *** t3h_realadamd has joined #opensolaris[16:54:14] <Stric> brad_: This discussion is currently happening on freenode. #solaris exists on freenode as well. you're not in it.[16:54:15] <geppy> ArcAngel: Yeah, exactly.[16:54:17] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[16:54:38] <Stric> brad_: so what #solaris are you talking about? on what irc network?[16:55:05] <ArcAngel> ircnet i think[16:55:14] <ArcAngel> if you talk about XS4-307[16:55:21] <ArcAngel> i see him join there[16:55:53] *** biant92 has left #opensolaris[16:56:09] <Stric> brad_: anyhow, since you know you're talking to the "wrong" people.. when you do, state it clearly that you're not running opensolaris (which this channel is about), but solaris..[16:56:16] <alanc> megaTherion: no, .Xauthority is not .ICEauthority, and that's just one of the files gdm needs to change[16:56:19] <brad_> Stric, http://webchat.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/ircnet/irc.cgi[16:56:25] <alanc> READ THE DAMN RELEASE NOTES ALREADY[16:56:36] <megaTherion> alanc: I know that they are not the same, but .Xauthority is the only one in /[16:56:37] <geppy> alanc: Chill, man.[16:56:44] <megaTherion> alanc: your capslock is broken[16:56:45] <brad_> Stric, am runnning Solaris..[16:57:01] <Stric> megaTherion: that's because gdm couldn't write .ICEauthority[16:57:01] <geppy> brad_: I don't think you're going to find that anyone here is going to help you at this point.[16:57:07] *** dalibor has quit IRC[16:57:09] <alanc> only after explaning for the third time that this is a known error with a simple fix documented in the release notes[16:57:10] <ArcAngel> brad_: ah, you are XS4-307 on ircnet?[16:57:10] <megaTherion> Stric: why does gdm need to write it? :|[16:57:18] <alanc> BECAUSE GDM DOES[16:57:24] <Stric> megaTherion: because it does. now go read the release notes and fix it.[16:57:27] <geppy> megaTherion: alanc is right, "because it does".[16:57:27] <alanc> that's the way it works[16:57:34] <megaTherion> ya ya okay ;)[16:57:35] <ArcAngel> brad_: i am there too on #Solaris[16:57:49] <brad_> Stric, Can you tell me If iam in wrong place, how can I go to correct place to talk about #solaris[16:57:55] <megaTherion> I dont like to read release notes - I rather change gdm's directory to /var/tmp or some such[16:57:59] <Stric> brad_: /join #solaris[16:58:00] <geppy> brad_: /join #solaris[16:58:17] <Stric> megaTherion: ffs, just go read the release notes[16:58:18] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[16:58:20] <geppy> megaTherion: I think you'll find that people don't like to help people who don't like to read release notes.[16:58:31] <alanc> megaTherion: okay, break your system worse and worse and we'll help you less and less[16:58:38] <megaTherion> geppy: no issue then, no one force anyone to do a thing ;)[16:58:48] <megaTherion> alanc: dont worry I've experience with UNIX systems more than just osol[16:58:58] * geppy sighs[16:59:10] <lblume> You know how to log in on more thanone unix? Oh, wow![16:59:20] <megaTherion> o.o[16:59:22] <mui> I KNOW HOW TO CHMOD[16:59:33] * mui sips more coffee[16:59:43] <megaTherion> lblume: no I programmed also on 'em[16:59:44] <Stric> "This is unix, I know this <clickety clickety in SGI 3d file browser>"[16:59:47] <alanc> this is all part of the new gdm that went into build 130 and runs a mini-gnome-session as the user gdm to show the login screen with all the new widgets - GNOME sessions require writing to a bunch of different dot files in the home directory of the user running them[17:00:02] <lblume> mui: Can I have some of yours?[17:00:14] <geppy> Stric: LAWL[17:00:16] <lblume> "Hello World!" on several Unices! Wooooow![17:00:16] <brad_> Stric, again I try to join, I landed up here.[17:00:18] <brad_> http://webchat.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/ircnet/irc.cgi[17:00:36] <megaTherion> lblume: what's your issue?[17:00:43] <geppy> brad_: That will not work.[17:00:45] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[17:00:51] <geppy> brad_: How did you get to _this_ channel?[17:00:59] <megaTherion> lblume: stop being an idiot else you get on ignore and thats it ;)[17:01:12] <lblume> Losers that say they don't like to read, and think they're entitled to some help because of their loser status :-D[17:01:12] <Stric> brad_: I have no clue what you're doing or how you're doing it.. right now, you're connected to #opensolaris on the irc network "freenode". do the same, but #solaris on "freenode". not #solaris on "ircnet".[17:01:15] *** newbloke has joined #opensolaris[17:01:27] <megaTherion> and what I do when where on what system is alone my business[17:01:27] <geppy> Yeah. Wow.[17:01:30] <brad_> first I am logging to http://www.ircnet.org/[17:01:48] <Stric> brad_: You didn't do that to get _here_[17:01:50] <alanc> amazingly someone was here last night with almost the exact same question about devices in ldoms on S10U5, with about the same response[17:01:55] <megaTherion> lblume: I didnt want any of your help now move along go play elsewhere[17:02:00] <Macer> unices haha[17:02:00] *** phil has quit IRC[17:02:02] <brad_> than I am putting Solaris in search option to get to #Solaris[17:02:19] <lblume> megaTherion: Hey, I didn't want to read your inane statements either, but here they came :-D[17:02:28] <lblume> Magic of the internet![17:02:30] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[17:02:35] <Stric> brad_: ignore search options.. #solaris on irc network called "freenode"[17:02:38] <geppy> megaTherion: You asked for his help when you asked in the channel. It's pretty insulting that not only did people help you with your issue, you're now insulting and rebuffing them.[17:02:41] <Macer> you should (tm) unices ;)[17:03:11] <effnorwood> too late - the term unices has been on my resume since 1999[17:03:15] <megaTherion> geppy: no one is forced anything, lblume starting conversing and joking about what I do or not is completly useless if he dont want he shall not response nor argue[17:03:18] <megaTherion> and now its time for ignore[17:03:20] <effnorwood> it's a great term.[17:03:47] <lblume> Yup, I certainly don't pretend to have invented it! I've been reading it here and there forever.[17:03:50] <geppy> lblume: haha, I remember when we had to explain to my (then) three-year-old niece how when she asks a question (without naming a person) then everyone in the room can hear and answer it. I can understand how it would be frustrating to not understand that.[17:04:12] <effnorwood> as a matter of fact - google unices and unix comes up first[17:04:17] *** phil has quit IRC[17:05:18] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[17:05:27] *** astra-x has quit IRC[17:05:35] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[17:05:43] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[17:05:49] <lblume> geppy: It's certainly cuter to explain that to a 3 year old :-)[17:05:52] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[17:06:05] *** winstonw0 has joined #opensolaris[17:06:08] <geppy> lblume: haha, indeed.[17:06:38] *** phil has quit IRC[17:06:45] *** phil has joined #opensolaris[17:06:54] *** astra-x has quit IRC[17:07:03] <megaTherion> so my fix works, no need reading release notes[17:07:12] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[17:07:23] <megaTherion> lblume: and to answer your idiotic question - no I programmed more than hello world in C on Irix and many other systems[17:07:51] <lblume> But still, I arrived right on time in that conversation with megaTherion, I feel that people who proudly state they won't read release notes, even after been told several times that an exact answer to their question is there, are the most adequate to make fun of.[17:08:11] <effnorwood> can we leave the devolution and primitivism to #linux please? :)[17:08:17] <geppy> I would use /ignore, but then I run the risk of not being able to understand what people are saying (because I'm only seeing half of the "conversation").[17:08:59] <lblume> effnorwood: Awwww, you're not fun, I'm almost never there![17:09:12] <megaTherion> geppy: dont worry its over now, I just hate being judged by ppl who dont know me[17:09:13] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[17:09:28] <Stric> geppy: if people are properly adressing the "other part" and you use irssi, then /ignore -replies blah will help a bunch[17:09:53] <effnorwood> i was just in an OpenSolaris hate fest on #vmware. he he - if only they knew the iSCSI performance they covet was available to them in that which they hate so much. :)[17:10:06] <geppy> Stric: Ah, cool, that's actually pretty clever! I don't use irssi, but I'll have to remember that next time I'm writing a chat client.[17:10:26] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[17:10:26] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[17:10:39] <Stric> "" For example "/IGNORE -replies *!* at * dot fi PUBLIC" ignores everyone from Finland, but also anyone sending message "tofinnishnick: blahblah". ""[17:10:43] <lblume> I'm still too lazy and using pidgin.... Maybe I should try a better client someday.[17:10:53] <asyd> sometimes I'm thinking that this channel was more funny before opensolaris becomes famous ;p[17:10:54] <Stric> (yes, the author is from .fi)[17:10:56] * asyd hides[17:11:05] <effnorwood> i'm using chatzilla and it's great for me![17:11:54] <lblume> asyd: Are you saying that just because of the bunch of noobs coming around that are actually proud of their ignorance and planning on expanding it as much as they can? I find their self-righteousness so funny![17:12:00] <megaTherion> Stric: or just use a bnc and it doesnt even matter where you have your favourite IRC client open ^^[17:12:13] <geppy> Stric: Sweet, thanks.[17:12:17] <asyd> lblume: no at all, I'[17:12:22] <asyd> I'm not this kind of people.[17:12:24] <asyd> :)[17:12:37] <geppy> I'm using Pidgin as well. My plan is on someday _writing_ a better client.[17:12:51] <effnorwood> asyd - so you're saying you read the release notes? what's the third word on page 11? :)[17:12:55] <lblume> asyd: You like more people like CP, right?[17:13:15] <asyd> effnorwood: everyone know there is no page 11[17:13:18] <asyd> lblume: :)[17:13:35] <geppy> haha[17:13:36] <effnorwood> asyd - touche[17:14:08] <phil> empathy anyone - would be nice to have vid conferencing[17:14:24] <effnorwood> opensolaris roulette?[17:14:27] <lblume> effnorwood: I *translated* the friggin' release notes, so morons that come here and proudly state they won't read them - for some reason, I don't like them.....[17:15:09] <effnorwood> lblume: reminds me of a southpark episode where people peeing on monkey makes them mad. wonder why? :)[17:15:34] <lblume> Haven't seen this one! Which season? :-D[17:15:35] <geppy> I'm assuming that the point of the "!!" in the cited line is just an easy way of saying "evaluate this as a boolean". Is that the case? http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev.c#2156[17:15:42] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[17:16:05] *** newbloke has quit IRC[17:16:15] <effnorwood> lblume - Episode 1314 (Original Air Date: Nov 18, 2009)[17:16:20] *** brad_ has quit IRC[17:16:52] <lblume> Oh, recent one then.[17:17:09] <geppy> Well, I guess there wasn't any point in asking that. I should've just said "Hmm, this is clever, haven't seen it before."[17:17:10] <effnorwood> it is the most irreverent possible[17:17:17] <lblume> It's way too unharmonious to be broadcast here, I'll have to look around....[17:17:54] <effnorwood> meanwhile - still hung at "Mounting ZFS filesystems" and patience is not a strong feature of me[17:18:04] * effnorwood looks for hammer[17:18:16] <geppy> effnorwood: That's the worst kind of problem. :([17:18:35] <effnorwood> geppy: lack of patience or can't find hammer? :)[17:18:38] <megaTherion> effnorwood: I'd rather try livecd, I guess that milestone flag doesnt work coz mounting zfs is essential anyways?[17:18:43] <lblume> Who was it that complained recently that because of dedup issues, he had to wait 9 days for his system to recover?[17:18:44] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[17:18:45] *** Animal-X_ has joined #opensolaris[17:18:51] *** corretico has quit IRC[17:18:58] <effnorwood> lblume - i say I sir! I![17:19:03] <geppy> effnorwood: haha, no, a bug with no symptoms that you can readily act on/look in to.[17:19:11] <effnorwood> oh - and lblume as well![17:19:31] *** Animal-X_ is now known as Animal-X[17:19:31] <effnorwood> geppy: i am thinking of invoking the -k[17:19:38] <geppy> effnorwood: So it goes.[17:19:41] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[17:19:50] <geppy> That's where I'm hanging out right now. There and my source references.[17:19:57] <Stric> lblume: taemun[17:19:59] <effnorwood> lblume: at least while you were waiting you got to translate the release notes[17:20:00] *** Animal-X_ has joined #opensolaris[17:20:27] *** Animal-X_ has quit IRC[17:20:28] <ArcAngel> are there known problems with removing ZFS snapshots?[17:20:40] <ArcAngel> we have the problem that we cannot remove ZFS snapshots[17:20:45] <lblume> Stric: Right, thanks![17:20:57] *** calSHOP is now known as calumb[17:21:07] <lblume> effnorwood: Waiting in front of a bricked box? I don't translate on paper, you know :-D[17:21:40] <effnorwood> lblume: somehow i imagined you with a pad of paper on top of a mountain somewhere :)[17:21:42] <geppy> lblume: I don't think anyone _seriously_ uses `mdb -K` without having another box next to it.[17:22:08] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[17:22:19] <lblume> effnorwood: No mountains here. I could get on a skyscraper instead?[17:22:55] <lblume> geppy: Oh, it was not my issue, I don't know exactly what taemun did or how it recovered.[17:23:03] <ArcAngel> does anyone else have problems with removing ZFS snapshots[17:23:41] <Macer> effnorwood: haha[17:23:44] <effnorwood> ArcAngel - tell us more. what specifically are you doing.[17:23:48] <geppy> ArcAngel: I don't, but. . . http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=zfs+delete+OR+remove+OR+destroy+snapshot+help+OR+problem+OR+issue&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=[17:25:18] <ArcAngel> opensolaris dev version we have on backup server[17:25:24] <ArcAngel> there we try to remove snapshot[17:25:28] <ArcAngel> and then the system freezes[17:25:31] <ArcAngel> and crashes[17:26:00] <Gugge> ArcAngel: are you using dedup?[17:26:00] <effnorwood> ArcAngel - what release? uname -a is fine.[17:26:05] <geppy> !@&^!@#[17:26:07] <ArcAngel> Gugge: yes[17:26:22] <ArcAngel> 5.11 snv_128a i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[17:26:33] <geppy> Since I'm in `mdb -K` and have a second computer here . . . it is VERY IMPORTANT that I type on the correct keyboard![17:27:27] <Gugge> ArcAngel: theres people on zfs-discuss that have had problems removing snapshots with dedup enabled ... i think it all boiled down to it just needs a lot of ram or l2arc ... plus a lot of time[17:27:47] <effnorwood> ArcAngel - dedup has come a long way in 134 but it's still buggy and has issues. i would search for bugs resolved for snapshots since 128a.[17:28:04] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[17:28:06] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[17:28:17] <effnorwood> hooray - my box finally booted[17:28:20] <effnorwood> thanks everyone[17:28:26] <effnorwood> now - do i dare to reboot it again?[17:28:33] <taemun> what?[17:29:06] <taemun> ah right[17:29:07] <taemun> dedup[17:29:08] <taemun> yes[17:30:20] <ArcAngel> dedup was disabled[17:30:42] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[17:32:14] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[17:32:14] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[17:33:28] <effnorwood> i'm going to upgrade that box now from 131 to 134. anyone have any strong "nooooooooooooo!" comments before i do?[17:33:51] <lblume> noooooooooooooo![17:33:53] <taemun> noooooooooo[17:34:00] <effnorwood> lol[17:34:01] <taemun> 2010.03 (?) can't be tooooo far away[17:34:05] <lblume> 134 is all broken on me :'([17:34:42] <effnorwood> lblume: tell me more about what's broken. btw, did you read the release notes? :)[17:34:45] <lblume> And it had several problems, that appeared one by one, one popping each time the other was worked around.[17:34:53] <eklof> effnorwood: no worries, i did the same, 134 is the most stable release for me yet (of the dev-releases since 111)[17:34:57] <lblume> effnorwood: Yes I did, but thos problems were not there.[17:35:07] <houst0n> Gah, don't say that... I'm about to install snv_134 for our sunrays[17:35:09] <houst0n> Avoid?[17:35:24] <eklof> Only somewhat bothered by the rpool-mirror-boot bug :)[17:35:25] <effnorwood> lblume: there's this guy you might want to talk to about release notes. he's on a skyscraper or something. :)[17:35:30] <geppy> haha[17:35:38] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[17:35:42] <eklof> But I have enabled the workaround...[17:35:58] <effnorwood> eklof: i have a mirrored root pool - do you have a bug #?[17:36:04] <lblume> First, ipf stopped working, though the filter is really simple (just blocking incoming connections, then I got the grub boot crash, and finally, when those two were "corrected", ath stopped working. I gave up on that :-D[17:36:05] <megaTherion> release notes are extremly overrated in this channel *rofl*[17:36:10] <effnorwood> eklof: and the workaround even better please[17:36:27] <eklof> Hrm, I'll check.[17:36:47] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[17:36:59] <effnorwood> eklof: thanks[17:37:13] <xenol> hello, i wish to install opensolaris as shell server for users. i found minimization.ksh from ISC, but it just removed gui. how can i remove all packages, so that the base system stays[17:37:14] <eklof> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6923585[17:37:23] <xenol> or even better how to install only base system[17:37:30] <eklof> oh it's reported against 130, so you already have that bug![17:37:35] <eklof> :=[17:37:55] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[17:38:37] <effnorwood> eklof: thank you! i note it's fixed in 137. 137! what?[17:38:51] <taemun> 137 koalas[17:39:00] <lblume> Maybe in 2010.03 too if you're lucky.[17:39:11] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[17:39:25] * effnorwood changes topic to 137 is NOT 2010.03 :)[17:40:38] <tsoome> xenol: shell server and minimal install?[17:41:05] *** kitche has joined #opensolaris[17:41:34] <kohju> when does next dev release ?[17:41:57] <eklof> the next released is 2010.0X i think[17:42:06] <megaTherion> xenol: maybe you wanna try nexenta?[17:42:07] <eklof> like 134a/b/c/d or whatever.[17:42:27] <Beket> so any news aboyt 2010.03 ?[17:42:28] <megaTherion> it didnt work out as complete gui desktop for me but without gnome and all that stuff it worked so far[17:42:30] * Beket j/k[17:42:30] <Beket> :P[17:42:51] <xenol> megaTherion: well if i can stay at opensolaris[17:42:55] <xenol> i would prefer it[17:43:15] <megaTherion> xenol: its GNU/Opensolaris ;)[17:43:35] <eXeC001er> Somebody uses 'inetconv' ?[17:43:37] *** ant has joined #opensolaris[17:43:38] <houst0n> sod nexavoid nexenta[17:43:46] <houst0n> it's not binary compatible with real solaris[17:43:50] <houst0n> fucking pointless[17:43:59] <megaTherion> houst0n: depends if you need solaris binaries or not[17:44:08] <megaTherion> for a shell server such a sys with compiler would be okay[17:44:10] <houst0n> On my desktop, yep[17:44:40] <xenol> megaTherion: pardon[17:44:47] <houst0n> I've not seen their build enviro.. There's probably some sick stuff going on...[17:45:03] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[17:45:17] <ant> I've never been able to understand the point of osol + ubuntu (or deb or whatever the hell they try to tack on)[17:45:55] <megaTherion> ant: maybe some ppl have too many time? :p[17:46:21] <megaTherion> err s/many/much[17:46:34] <houst0n> ant: Some idiot^H^H^H^H^Hpeople decided that opensolaris should try and get some of linux's desktop marketshare , unfortunately they're a few years too late to the game..[17:46:43] <t3h_realadamd> I've been trying out that Nexentastor thing they offer.[17:46:51] <houst0n> Alas, it's good and bad for us[17:47:06] <houst0n> We get some nice desktop toys, and hopefully oracle won't release it as enterprise software[17:47:51] <megaTherion> t3h_realadamd: and?[17:47:55] <houst0n> Still, a convo that's been had about a million times in here[17:47:56] <t3h_realadamd> ...meh[17:48:08] <houst0n> So ..... lets talk about something else huh?[17:48:09] <ant> well, I worked briefly for Nexenta; I have nothing good to say about them[17:48:15] <ant> Dmitry and Alex are good guys[17:48:27] <ant> houst0n++[17:48:30] <houst0n> ant: Are they using glibc?[17:48:31] <ant> I agree[17:48:48] <t3h_realadamd> We use all Windows servers here, so the only thing that we'd use it for are iSCSI - dedupe doesn't seem to do much if you're just sharing out everything iscsi[17:48:50] <ant> is there a way to pipe that to ##nexenta?[17:49:10] <effnorwood> i must agree that i am not a nexenta fan[17:49:15] <houst0n> t3h_realadamd: besides rape your perf....[17:49:22] <t3h_realadamd> well, true[17:49:26] <houst0n> I wouldn't suggest using dedupe on ... anything really atm[17:49:33] <t3h_realadamd> unless I've really missed something[17:49:36] <effnorwood> however i love that they've created a business around selling zfs[17:50:00] <houst0n> effnorwood: They've done some cool little projects too, did you see the devzones thing they built?[17:50:03] <houst0n> Rather funky, I have to say[17:50:05] *** MaxVandervelde has joined #opensolaris[17:50:21] <effnorwood> houst0n: no, i'll check that out thanks[17:50:34] <houst0n> Do you know anyone who would actually suggest nexenta over s10 for a production deployment?[17:50:37] <houst0n> I sure as hell don't[17:51:10] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:51:54] <xenol> megaTherion: my point is to give users solaris-based shell server, but i need only base utils. i don't wish to have more possible security holes when i don't have to ^_^[17:52:20] <effnorwood> houst0n: that's the crazy beauty of marketing. no one who know would, but people who don't know actually do![17:52:38] <effnorwood> knows*[17:52:42] <megaTherion> xenol: if it really need to be solaris, dunno how to strip osol from most stuff + gui etc.[17:52:53] <houst0n> xenol: What do you want it to do?[17:53:01] <xenol> basic shell server[17:53:03] <houst0n> Just feed shells to the masses? compiler, perl etc stuff?[17:53:06] <megaTherion> I personally would just use a BSD and thats it[17:53:11] <xenol> irssi shells compierls etc[17:53:19] <houst0n> Meh I'd go with solaris 10 tbh mate, although i sound a bit like a broken record[17:53:27] <xenol> yes, so people can meet with solaris[17:53:36] <xenol> houst0n: solaris is going to be paid[17:53:40] <houst0n> Do a minimal install, choose customize and add in secure shell and bash, get everything else from blastwave[17:53:50] <houst0n> such as irssi, gcc4, bash4 etc[17:54:10] <houst0n> xenol: I wouldn't be so concerned just yet[17:54:14] <crichardso> any idea why i have a snap called char-wp-fschar1@recv-16884-1[17:54:51] <xenol> houst0n: why? oracle pointed out, that it might soon to be a reality[17:55:39] <causality> houst0n what is blastwave?[17:55:41] <houst0n> xenol: You really think oracle gives a shit about even a million 'shell' servers ?[17:55:50] <houst0n> causality: www.blastwave.org[17:55:53] <xenol> nope[17:56:02] <houst0n> easily installable software for solaris[17:56:06] <houst0n> w/ a repo[17:56:10] <CIA-21> Girish Moodalbail <Girish.Moodalbail at Sun dot COM>: 6939396 the qualifiers + & - should only work for applicable protocol properties[17:56:17] <xenol> but security fixes for solaris will cost something[17:56:35] *** m0zes has left #opensolaris[17:56:36] <houst0n> So?[17:56:37] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[17:56:47] <effnorwood> is there a howto or a tutorial on building what I'll call "micro OpenSolaris" - meaning how to make a small custom distribution?[17:56:49] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[17:56:57] <houst0n> Properly secure the machine and some null pointer dereference or overflow in <randompkg> doesn't really pose you an issue[17:57:16] <houst0n> effnorwood: Check out a project called 'milax'[17:57:25] <houst0n> effnorwood: it's like damn small solaris[17:57:30] <xenol> =D[17:57:36] <xenol> i like the name[17:57:42] <effnorwood> houst0n: thanks! just what i was looking for.[17:57:55] *** astra-x has quit IRC[17:57:58] <t3h_realadamd> sounds like something you'd take to relieve constipation[17:58:13] <houst0n> Cute little project[17:58:20] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[17:58:24] * causality is anti-fork[17:59:20] * houst0n is anti-spoon[17:59:32] * t3h_realadamd is anti-spork[17:59:47] *** yippi_ has joined #opensolaris[18:00:03] <xenol> houst0n: i can see only sparc and i386[18:00:09] <xenol> any amd64 versions? ^_[18:00:10] <xenol> ^[18:00:17] <megaTherion> i386 is amd64 too[18:00:20] <causality> mm spork[18:00:21] <megaTherion> supports both[18:00:23] <xenol> okey[18:00:52] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[18:01:08] *** astra-x has quit IRC[18:01:16] <RoyK^> xenol: in fact, 32 bit is not recommended[18:01:17] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[18:01:24] <wrapster> Guys i have a curious question.. http://pastie.org/907703[18:01:27] *** astra-x has joined #opensolaris[18:01:29] <megaTherion> 32bit and ZFS is not a good idea eh ;)[18:01:36] <wrapster> pls take a look at it?[18:02:18] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[18:02:21] * causality looked, has no answer[18:03:04] * RoyK^ has no idea[18:03:34] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[18:03:34] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[18:03:42] *** yippi has quit IRC[18:04:29] <megaTherion> wrapster: for me the difference is only 1m :D[18:04:46] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:05:15] <wrapster> yeah but why is it showing UTC when i run from the script and when i run from the shell its giving me IST ?[18:05:26] <megaTherion> it doesnt do for me[18:05:44] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[18:06:00] <crazed> is there a way of debugging an smf?[18:06:02] <megaTherion> to me it does some other strange shit however I must say my usual shell is zsh[18:06:04] <geppy> I've replaced a faulty disk and finished resilvering. I can't figure out why `zpool status tank` gives the following output afterwards. http://bigphatawesome.org/archive/2010/04/07/0221_tankstatus.txt[18:06:17] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[18:06:25] <lblume> *shrugs* 32 bits works just fine.[18:06:26] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[18:06:28] <crazed> it's executing a script, but seems to fial for some reason. if i launch it manually it works fine[18:06:33] <RoyK^> wrapster: make an env dump and compare them[18:08:15] <bdrewery> I'm new to opensolaris, on 2009.06 now, I see zfs dedup is in 128, what's the most reasonably stable build? Should I just go with 134?[18:08:21] *** merzo has quit IRC[18:10:42] <xenol> houst0n: will solaris authentificate against ldap? i saw on wiki that it was added recentl[18:10:45] <xenol> y[18:10:52] *** lblume has quit IRC[18:11:29] <houst0n> xenol: yeah mate[18:11:37] *** milek has quit IRC[18:11:45] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[18:11:50] *** MaxVandervelde has quit IRC[18:11:56] <houst0n> It can do ldap auth no probs[18:11:59] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[18:12:02] <houst0n> Not just recently, been around for ages[18:12:14] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[18:12:33] *** houst0n has left #opensolaris[18:12:47] <xenol> houst0n: and how you see it with security fixes and support? i mean i want to isntall it and maintain, but i would like to have access to fixes =D[18:12:51] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[18:12:57] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[18:13:01] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[18:13:24] <geppy> bdrewery: I have no idea, but if you aren't in a hurry to play around with it, you might as well wait until 2010.03 comes out.[18:13:25] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[18:13:41] <geppy> bdrewery: Though I guess they won't be calling it that at this point.[18:13:52] <bdrewery> geppy: well dedup is huge, it's why I chose opensolaris over FreeBSD 8 (zpool 13)[18:13:56] <gtirloni> they are going to use random letters[18:14:00] *** mikefut has quit IRC[18:14:10] <bdrewery> I suppose 2009.03 is due soon isn't it[18:14:16] <geppy> bdrewery: Well, yeah, I understand, but . . . yeah, that's what I meant.[18:14:31] <bdrewery> alright thanks for the input :)[18:14:39] *** tru_tru has quit IRC[18:14:40] <geppy> Seeing as it was supposed to be 2010.03 and it's now 2010.04. :)[18:14:49] <geppy> No problem. Though I should warn you that I have no idea what I'm talking about.[18:14:57] *** t3h_realadamd has quit IRC[18:14:59] <bdrewery> you know more than I I'm sure[18:15:48] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[18:16:04] *** Spencer_tt1 has quit IRC[18:16:11] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[18:18:32] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[18:23:04] <crazed> i have an smf, and have an instance in there with envvars set but they don't seem to actually be taking effect. this is what i have: http://pastebin.com/Tk2JVhKm[18:23:15] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[18:26:25] *** kwinz3_ has quit IRC[18:26:46] *** SlimG has joined #opensolaris[18:27:20] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[18:27:59] <SlimG> Is it possible to install opensolaris with a CLI shell instead of Gnome??[18:28:21] <geppy> SlimG: Someone was just asking that earlier . . . did he get an answer?[18:29:07] <geppy> I'll check.[18:31:12] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[18:32:11] <geppy> SlimG: houst0n just finished telling someone "Check out a project called 'milax' \ it's like damn small solaris"[18:32:54] *** lateau has quit IRC[18:33:56] <Spencer_tt> hi all, IBM is afraid of all of you especially if you own a lunch box with the potential to turn into a mainframe or anything along those lines http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/04/ibm-breaks-taboo-and-betrays-its.html[18:34:03] <Spencer_tt> that is funny[18:34:10] <SlimG> Is OpenSolaris aiming to be(come) a desktop alternative to Ubuntu?[18:34:19] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[18:34:41] * SlimG thought Solaris was a servercentric OS ...[18:35:00] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[18:35:04] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[18:35:06] <CosmicDJ> and I always thought windows is a desktop OS ;)[18:35:12] <geppy> SlimG: It already is. If you're asking "Is it aiming to be the same as Ubuntu?", then I don't think random people on IRC will know the answer.[18:35:27] <geppy> Though I have no idea what affiliations people in here have.[18:35:53] <Spencer_tt> SlimG: check out opensolaris.com and look around[18:39:46] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[18:40:02] <jdoe> SlimG: you can disable X and pretend it was never there. There's pretty much what I did.[18:40:48] <jdoe> actually removing it (if you cared enough) would probably be a bit unpleasant, but if you're installing it in a server-y capacity you can always just disable gdm. The end.[18:41:10] *** niq has quit IRC[18:41:31] *** jfisc has quit IRC[18:41:54] *** andersenep has quit IRC[18:42:07] *** andersenep_ is now known as andersenep[18:43:44] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: ping[18:44:14] <alanc> If you want to install OpenSolaris without X, use the text installer, or AI with a custom manifest - if you're using the LiveCD, a desktop installation is assumed[18:45:11] <alanc> and Sun started out as a workstation company, years before getting into servers, so SunOS/Solaris have always had desktop components[18:45:12] <effnorwood> SlimG: there is a text installer on Genunix. 131 works well, 134 does not for text install. No Gnome.[18:47:38] <RoyK^> anyone here using vbox with >111b?[18:49:55] *** dalibor_ has joined #opensolaris[18:50:28] *** dalibor__ has joined #opensolaris[18:51:06] *** andersenep has quit IRC[18:52:05] *** ThePickle has quit IRC[18:53:03] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:53:03] *** dalibor__ is now known as dalibor[18:53:16] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[18:53:37] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[18:54:30] *** dalibor__ has joined #opensolaris[18:54:58] *** dalibor_ has quit IRC[18:55:41] *** datadigger has quit IRC[18:55:42] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[18:55:51] <RoyK^> hi all. this is a serious issue... VirtualBox seems to make my osol box friggin' hang if doing everyday stuff. I've never seen this on other platforms and I've been using virtualbox for quite some time. Since it's opensolaris, it seems it doesn't want to log much, just keep /var/adm/messages and the /var/svc/log files clean and cozy. Is it necessary to switch back to Linux to make it work correctly?[18:56:06] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[18:56:47] <gavino> can I rename a storage pool?[18:56:47] <gavino> my boss doesn't liek an arbitrary name I picked :)[18:57:08] <RoyK^> gavino: zpool export pool / zpool import pool newpoolname[18:57:15] *** scottdickson has quit IRC[18:57:22] <calumb> RoyK: might be better to ask on #vbox ...[18:57:38] *** datadigger has joined #opensolaris[18:57:43] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[18:57:57] <RoyK^> calumb: doubt it - something like vbox shouldn't be allowed to crash the whole OS without it noticing[18:58:42] <jbk> is osol the host or guest?[18:58:46] *** andersenep has quit IRC[18:58:48] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:58:48] *** dalibor__ is now known as dalibor[18:59:04] *** andersenep_ is now known as andersenep[18:59:08] <RoyK^> jbk: host[18:59:11] <lyarick> probably host, i've noticed the same thing a couple times with a windows guest[18:59:24] <lyarick> not sure why vb is causing it to crash and burn[18:59:29] <jbk> i bet it's the kernel drivers that they wedge into the network stack[18:59:40] <jbk> there seems to be a continuing problem of deadlocks[18:59:58] <jbk> i can pretty much consistently hang my osol box if i install vbox on it[19:00:27] <jbk> i'm hoping the latest case where vbox starts using some of the crossbow bits instead might finally fix it[19:00:37] *** yippi_ has quit IRC[19:00:40] <thistle_> I'm trying to figure out whether the Dell PERC H200 controller would work with OpenSolaris.[19:00:42] <RoyK^> wierd - I've been running vbox for a year on this on without much problems[19:00:43] <thistle_> It is listed in the HCL for Solaris 10/09[19:00:57] <jbk> i finally gave up using it (for now)[19:01:11] <jbk> unfortunately the cpu doesn't have the virtualization extensions[19:01:15] <jbk> or else i'd try the xen bits[19:02:02] <jbk> i got sick of having a serial cable hooked up to it[19:02:04] <gavino> so if pool=gavvault[19:02:10] <gavino> zpool export gavvault[19:02:10] <jbk> and just the random hands[19:02:11] <RoyK^> is it possible to try xen/xvm with .vdi files? this one has virt extensions[19:02:11] <jbk> err hangs[19:02:19] <jbk> that i don't know[19:02:21] <gavino> zpool import pool newname[19:02:24] <gavino> oh oh[19:02:31] <gavino> zpool export pool gavvault[19:02:34] <gavino> then[19:02:39] <gavino> zpool import pool newname?[19:02:40] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:02:42] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[19:02:43] <gavino> er..[19:03:06] <gavino> or exactly as u said[19:03:06] <RoyK^> zpool export nameofpool ; zpool import nameofpool newnameofpool[19:03:09] <jbk> of course there's also something where mozilla periodically freezes for 20-30seconds at a time (window goes b&w) also just made me give up on the desktop[19:03:13] <gavino> zpool export gavvault /[19:03:20] <gavino> zpool import pool newname?[19:03:22] *** andersenep has quit IRC[19:03:28] <gavino> ah![19:03:30] <gavino> thx![19:03:31] <jbk> (though interestingly other apps were fine)[19:03:33] <RoyK^> zpool import gavvault whateverthebosstellsyou[19:04:48] <gavino> awesome![19:04:51] <gavino> works!![19:04:55] <RoyK^> :)[19:05:03] <gavino> it workss by odin it worksS!![19:05:10] *** calumb_ has joined #opensolaris[19:05:22] * RoyK^ throws a snowball in gavino's direction[19:05:28] <asyd> an[19:05:30] <asyd> oups[19:05:46] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[19:05:55] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[19:07:04] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[19:07:06] <gavino> switch everything to opensoalris!![19:07:12] <gavino> fuck linux![19:07:25] <asyd> gavino: you should say that on #linux.[19:07:35] <gavino> next stop: perhaps raising my arc cache since I have 4g ram?[19:07:38] <gavino> dare me?[19:07:45] <gavino> how about in #rhel[19:08:03] *** calum has quit IRC[19:08:17] <gavino> will zfs get lot faster with bigger arc cache? and is it worth it using a normal disk for ZIL? [yes i barely know what ZIl is][19:09:02] <jbit> using a normal disk for zil soudns dangerous[19:09:45] <gavino> silly?[19:09:45] <gavino> ok[19:09:56] *** deet has quit IRC[19:10:14] <gavino> is there a way to test read write speed ? linux has hdparm -t ... or is that silly too?[19:10:26] <effnorwood> gavino: no, don't use a regular disk for your zil[19:10:37] <asyd> it's almost silly yeah[19:10:57] <effnorwood> gavino: and yes, the more ram you have the more zfs takes, but don't worry (tm)[19:11:10] <gavino> oh it does it automatically?[19:11:10] <jbit> gavino: that's not a benchmark :)[19:11:16] <gavino> I love automatic stuff![19:11:21] <gavino> plug n play!![19:11:28] <gavino> switch everythign to opensoalris!![19:11:38] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[19:11:40] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[19:11:41] <asyd> everything but production :P[19:12:16] <jbit> smrt: benchmark[19:12:26] <jbit> smrt: benchmark?[19:12:33] <jbit> [lewellyn]: how do i use the bot again? :)[19:12:40] <jamesd_laptop> smrt: explain benchmark[19:12:41] <smrt> dd(1M) is not a benchmark. Use SUNWfilebench. See also: filebench, http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6269-dd-is-not-a-benchmark.html[19:12:51] <jbit> ah[19:13:10] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:13:15] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[19:13:28] <jbit> (hdparm is basically doing what dd does :)[19:13:29] <Spencer_tt> SlimG: it really depends on what you want to do with the OS - opensolaris is capable of just about anything you throw at a multi-user operating system. Check out http://www.genunix.org/ for indiana build 134.[19:13:58] <jbit> i use opensolaris as a workstation at home, works fine[19:14:05] <gavino> filebench eh[19:14:09] <gavino> but[19:14:09] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[19:14:14] <jbit> only roadblocker is ATI not having decent drivers for it[19:14:18] <gavino> how do I compare that to a linux box performance![19:14:18] <gavino> lol[19:14:24] *** rajin has joined #opensolaris[19:14:38] <Spencer_tt> why would you want to compare lunch boxes[19:14:39] <asyd> by stopping loling[19:14:43] <jamesd_laptop> gavino, install your work load to opensolaris and see how well it performs[19:14:45] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[19:14:46] <jbit> gavino: i think filebench runs on linux[19:15:22] <gavino> ok I ran pkg image-update on 2009-06 install and it said up to date, but I remember in the gui I ran an update and tons fo things got updated like a month ago when i used the gui not command line[19:15:25] <seanmcg> filebench can run on any posix env...[19:15:32] <gavino> oh ok[19:15:32] <jdoe> smrt: why not link to the original? :P[19:16:10] <jbit> jdoe: smrt is a bot :)[19:16:39] <jbit> but yeah, i wonder why whoever added that added the c0t0d0s0 link[19:17:28] <jdoe> jbit: oh. har. I'm smrt :([19:17:28] <gavino> pfexec pkg image-update running this now[19:19:17] *** gtirloni has quit IRC[19:19:51] <gavino> # pfexec pkg image-update[19:19:51] <gavino> No updates available for this image.[19:19:52] <gavino> uh[19:19:53] <gavino> hmm[19:20:02] <gavino> I know in the gui this used to update mad stuff[19:20:06] <jbit> gavino: 2009.06 doesn't have any updates[19:20:12] <gavino> is that wrong command?[19:20:18] *** twisti has quit IRC[19:20:39] <jbit> gavino: you probably want to be on /dev/ repository? :)[19:20:40] <gavino> I used to end up with a new 'boot environment'[19:20:59] <gavino> should I simply not tinker?[19:21:01] <gavino> ;)[19:21:13] <jbit> well official releases aren't updated all that much (afaik)[19:21:14] <gavino> <--one of those guys who always wants the new stuff[19:21:27] <jbit> only /dev/ repository is[19:21:36] <jbit> smrt: explain dev[19:21:37] <smrt> see "dev repository"[19:21:42] <jbit> smrt: explain dev repository[19:21:42] <smrt> To switch to the /dev repository (OpenSolaris development releases, see the IPS version in /topic): pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org && pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg && pfexec pkg image-update -v # Then wait. You *must* read the release notes before starting out or you *will* be unhappy. See also: ips mirrors[19:21:49] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[19:22:16] <gavino> I want happy not un happy[19:22:17] <gavino> lol[19:22:30] <gavino> <---should probly learn opensol before trying dev crap[19:22:31] <jbit> then read the release notes from the topic, also stop lol'ing :)[19:22:38] <jbit> gavino: dev stuff is pretty safe[19:22:48] <jdoe> "newest stuff" + "happy not un happy" are mutually exclusive usually :P[19:22:51] <gavino> oh happy if read notes..ok[19:22:55] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[19:23:01] <jbit> gavino: jsut take a boot environment snapshot before you start[19:23:12] <gavino> [like I know howto do that][19:23:14] <jbit> that way you can always jsut roll back if you do somehow screw something up[19:23:28] <jdoe> gavino: if you don't know how to do that you should start reading before you do anything else.[19:23:33] <jbit> gavino: pfexec beadm clone oldboot[19:24:05] <jbit> ah sorry[19:24:49] <jbit> pfexec beadm create opensolaris-old[19:24:50] <jbit> :)[19:25:16] *** astra-x_timeout has joined #opensolaris[19:25:24] *** astra-x_timeout has quit IRC[19:25:24] *** datafirm has joined #opensolaris[19:26:19] <LaidBack_01> wow... so opencsw has a ton of stuff. quite a bit more than I'd have expected. Between that, spec-files[extra|jucr], hell, I'll be able to get everything I ever wanted![19:26:57] <jbit> most of the stuff lacking is useless :)[19:27:09] <jbit> i never got why distros boast about having X number of packages...[19:27:55] <jdoe> jbit: it lacks apcupsd :P[19:29:21] *** RichardRaseley has joined #opensolaris[19:29:26] <RichardRaseley> I am trying to figure out how to slipstream a controller card driver into the most recent install of OpenSolaris 2009.06, could anyone point me to a resource on how to do this?[19:30:32] *** disharmo1y has joined #opensolaris[19:30:43] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[19:31:17] *** dajune has quit IRC[19:33:56] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[19:34:52] *** Reedd has quit IRC[19:34:55] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[19:35:26] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[19:41:22] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[19:42:03] <gavino> whats slipstreaming?[19:42:38] <Triskelios> a Windows term for modifying the installer contents[19:43:21] *** spike_ has quit IRC[19:43:33] <gavino> windows lol[19:43:50] <gavino> I love how microsft is now obsolete but still makes billions[19:44:01] <RichardRaseley> I am not interested in an e-peen battle[19:44:10] <RichardRaseley> I just was curious about adding the drivers to the installer.[19:44:24] <Triskelios> RichardRaseley: http://wikis.sun.com/display/OSOLInstall/Using+the+Distribution+Constructor[19:45:04] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[19:45:30] <Triskelios> oh, http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/dev/DistroConst/ is more up to date[19:46:08] <Triskelios> RichardRaseley: if you're not deploying a large number of installs, you could just put the driver on a USB stick or something, really..[19:46:28] <RichardRaseley> Basically the issue is this[19:46:34] <Triskelios> (the USB install image also probably has enough scratch space)[19:47:30] <RichardRaseley> We are building a SAN that is going to use OpenSolaris with ZFS, but the default installation doesn't have the proper driver for our controller card, so we couldn't (and I am getting this second hand from 3,000 miles away) create a zpool for the system installation[19:47:42] <RichardRaseley> We had to create a raid 1 with 2 out of the 20 disks and install the system there.[19:48:42] <RichardRaseley> There is a Solaris driver for this controller, but wasn't sure what the proper procedure was for integrating the driver with the installation media, or if it was just a matter of putting it in the proper path.[19:48:54] <RichardRaseley> What are your thoughts?[19:50:28] <RichardRaseley> Now that I am looking at the driver, it seems that it is labled as for "Solaris 10 Update 4", so should I expect there to be complete interoperability between Solaris and OpenSolaris as far as drivers are concerned.[19:50:30] <RichardRaseley> ?*[19:51:01] *** fedreric has quit IRC[19:51:07] <madwizard> RichardRaseley: You may expect that, however OpenSolaris could have broken some of the backwards compatibility[19:51:11] <madwizard> No other way but try[19:51:22] <Triskelios> there some ABI changes which will prevent some drivers from working (but there are usually replacements for those drivers)[19:51:28] <jbit> RichardRaseley: solaris drivers generally work on opensolaris (there are a few exceptions, usually with userland stuff)[19:51:39] <RichardRaseley> Alright, that makes sense. Thanks.[19:52:15] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:52:15] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[19:52:29] <RichardRaseley> So in regards to putting the driver on the install disk so we can create a zpool for the system install, is it just a matter of putting it in the right place in the file structure or do I have to go through the process of building a distribution via the tool you sent me a link for?[19:54:05] *** calumb_ has quit IRC[19:54:11] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[19:54:16] <Triskelios> RichardRaseley: there's a few files that have to be updated, the ones I can think of are: the driver file (obviously), driver_aliases, and the boot archive (which contains a copy of the first two files)[19:55:42] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[19:55:48] <RichardRaseley> So would this best be done via the distribution constructor that you sent me a link to?[19:56:00] <Triskelios> if you've already figured out how the filesystem image on the installer is structured you can go ahead, but the tools will probably make it easier[19:56:24] <RichardRaseley> Yeah, I haven't. =X I will take a look at the tools and try to go that route.[19:56:30] <RichardRaseley> I appreciate the help folks.[19:57:57] *** RichardRaseley has quit IRC[19:58:32] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[19:58:40] *** Calibellus has joined #opensolaris[19:59:57] *** effnorwood has quit IRC[20:01:12] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[20:01:55] *** opensolarisShip has joined #opensolaris[20:02:23] <opensolarisShip> hi, can i see tracker using this request number? Shipment Confirmation for your order 697189 from Sun Microsystems[20:02:31] *** Odin- has quit IRC[20:04:34] <geppy> According to the docs, it appears that a `zpool replace` is not complete even once `zpool status` reports "resilver completed"; you have to keep waiting until the old disk is removed from the list as well.[20:04:35] <geppy> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-2271/gbcet?l=Ja&a=view[20:04:40] <geppy> Is that the case?[20:04:46] *** strangeguy is now known as hrist[20:05:02] <Triskelios> opensolarisShip: I don't think there are any salespeople here...[20:05:43] <Triskelios> yippi: I feel the correct way to implement the audio mixer save/restore is to extend gnome-volume-control which conveniently has knowledge of the device names...[20:06:13] <opensolarisShip> Triskelios: what?[20:06:18] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[20:06:25] <opensolarisShip> i requested opensolaris cd[20:07:29] *** MGSsancho has quit IRC[20:07:45] <opensolarisShip> Triskelios: or its a lier shipment?[20:07:45] *** sipior has quit IRC[20:07:48] <lattera> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4500325&CatId=4269[20:08:04] <lattera> would I need to check out the chipsets its using to see if it'd work with opensolaris?[20:08:10] <lattera> or would I be okay just to buy it and try it?[20:08:30] <Triskelios> opensolarisShip: huh? it's probably handled by the Sun/Oracle sales department[20:09:10] <jbit> lattera: i don't think opensolaris supports port multipliers[20:09:49] <opensolarisShip> This email confirms that the order you placed with Sun Microsystems for a free Open Solaris Live CD on 4/5/2010[20:09:52] <Triskelios> jbit: it does, but only with ahci[20:09:58] <jbit> Triskelios: ah[20:10:18] <opensolarisShip> Triskelios: more its about opensolaris[20:10:20] <jbit> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6422924 seems like quite a recent thing[20:10:38] <opensolarisShip> free open solaris live cd[20:10:44] <lattera> so if my bios is set to stata->ide mode, I wouldn't be able to use that product?[20:11:07] <opensolarisShip> Triskelios: neve u has requested free cd ?[20:11:10] <geppy> lattera: No, IDE mode won't support any of the advanced features like port multipliers.[20:11:14] <opensolarisShip> *never[20:11:29] <lattera> and I can't just switch to ahci after install of opensolaris, can I?[20:11:30] <geppy> opensolarisShip: No one here is going to be able to help you with that.[20:11:35] <Triskelios> opensolarisShip: no, I download CDs or people hand them to me[20:11:39] <geppy> lattera: No, you have to do that before you install your OS.[20:11:46] <lattera> :([20:12:03] <jbit> geppy: i think it should work on opensolaris, assuming grub doesn't go crazy[20:12:04] <Triskelios> opensolarisShip: nobody here works for the Sun/Oracle online store you ordered the CDs from, so we can't help you[20:12:13] <opensolarisShip> geppy: ok thank[20:12:31] <lattera> jbit, looks like b134 (what I'm running) should support sata multipliers, then, once I switch to ahci[20:12:34] <opensolarisShip> Triskelios: ok[20:12:43] <jbit> lattera: seems so[20:12:56] <geppy> Ah, yeah, jbit has a point. Try it. Worst case, you have to change it back.[20:13:03] <geppy> or reinstall[20:13:38] <jbit> assuming grub boots and doesn't go mad then as far as i know the solaris boot package will boot and look for a zpool called "rpool" and mount it[20:13:48] <jbit> i don't think it cares where the disk is at all[20:14:28] <geppy> I think grub might would die in a fire.[20:14:30] <lattera> I'm using five of the sata connectors on my motherboard, and my motherboard supports ahci for ports 1-4[20:14:37] <Triskelios> opensolarisShip: you might be able to find a way to contact them on the order site[20:14:38] <lattera> would I lose that fifth disk, then?[20:14:57] <lattera> or would opensolaris still pick that fifth disk up?[20:15:07] <geppy> lattera: No idea, you'll have to check your motherboard manual and see what BIOS settings are available.[20:15:08] <jbit> lattera: it'll pick up the fifth[20:15:18] <jbit> lattera: i have similar on my motherboard at home[20:15:30] <wrapster> Im getting dmesg errors on the igb driver .. can anyone pls help.. http://pastie.org/907946[20:15:36] <jbit> lattera: which was really annoying and almost made me RMA a disk since i couldn't get it to show up in the BIOS or dos utils :P[20:15:48] <geppy> haha[20:16:13] <jbit> it's to do with the BIOS' AHCI "driver"[20:16:37] <geppy> yeah[20:17:02] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[20:17:25] <wrapster> jbit: talking to me?[20:17:45] <geppy> wrapster: no[20:19:17] <Triskelios> wrapster: could be some kind of configuration problem, like https://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=424822&tstart=0[20:19:38] <opensolarisShip> Triskelios: thank sir ;}[20:20:03] <geppy> welp, my resilvering loop has started again, I'll be back in four hours to check on it[20:20:04] <geppy> cheers[20:20:16] *** geppy has quit IRC[20:21:26] *** tg has quit IRC[20:22:11] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[20:22:33] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[20:22:58] *** effnorwood has joined #opensolaris[20:23:51] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[20:24:09] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[20:25:11] <lattera> ah[20:26:43] *** dalibor has quit IRC[20:27:24] <wrapster> Triskelios: well.. How do i figure it out..? Coz almost everytime i reboot i see this message. both on the console screen as well as in dmseg output[20:27:45] *** dajune has joined #opensolaris[20:27:52] <Triskelios> wrapster: read the thread[20:29:11] *** tru_tru has joined #opensolaris[20:30:32] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[20:31:52] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[20:33:47] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[20:33:47] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[20:33:47] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[20:34:56] *** Mazon has quit IRC[20:35:35] *** opensolarisShip has quit IRC[20:35:44] *** Mazon has joined #opensolaris[20:36:30] *** dec_ has quit IRC[20:36:50] *** dec has joined #opensolaris[20:37:39] *** phil has quit IRC[20:40:40] *** Thrae has quit IRC[20:41:26] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[20:44:40] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[20:45:27] *** t3h_realadamd has joined #opensolaris[20:52:13] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris[20:52:21] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[20:52:44] *** andersenep has left #opensolaris[20:52:59] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[20:53:05] *** andersenep has joined #opensolaris[20:53:08] *** plat- has quit IRC[20:53:24] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[20:55:06] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[20:55:43] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[20:55:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[20:58:33] <effnorwood> my move to 134 went fine today but the original issue of the system hanging is still present, but i have narrowed it down to nfs shares. the command "zfs unshare -a" now just hangs. any ideas?[20:58:36] <wrapster> hmm.. is it possible to figure out if ifconfig plumb is running twice?[20:59:11] <tsoome> does plain unshare command be hung as well?[20:59:40] <effnorwood> tsoome: yes. so does sharemgr show -vp[21:00:10] <effnorwood> this started when i came in today and found the box hung at "Mounting ZFS filesystems". It finally timed out and booted.[21:00:19] <wrapster> Triskelios:and it would generate an error right , pointing to ifconfig?[21:00:26] <effnorwood> Now i know what was causing it - this share issue. Strange.[21:00:35] <wrapster> Triskelios: coz i just tried that manually and it was failing ...[21:00:40] *** andersenep has quit IRC[21:01:26] <tsoome> but if you dont share with zfs set sharenfs but with share command?[21:01:37] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[21:01:37] <tsoome> will it behave different?[21:02:36] <effnorwood> right now, the windows trying to run the commands like unshare are just hung. i suspect they will eventually time out.[21:02:50] <Triskelios> wrapster: the error could result from a plumb attempt when the interface is already active...[21:02:53] <effnorwood> then i can try just plain old share[21:03:15] <wrapster> Triskelios: hmm...[21:03:31] <gavino> so do I need to tell opensolaris to use dns in nsswitch.conf?[21:03:36] <gavino> I see only files in there[21:03:38] <gavino> not dns[21:03:41] <gavino> next to hosts[21:03:42] <Triskelios> gavino: if you are not using DHCP, yes[21:04:02] <Triskelios> gavino: the default only has 'files'[21:06:15] <effnorwood> gavino: "cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf"[21:06:15] <ant> Ben is currently driving back[21:06:25] *** twisti has quit IRC[21:07:45] <gavino> works when I add dns next to hosts after file[21:07:48] <gavino> files[21:07:49] <gavino> :)[21:08:32] *** MattBenjamin has joined #opensolaris[21:08:47] <effnorwood> gavino: yes, the nsswitch.dns is a template for .conf that contains what you want[21:08:57] <TomJ> OS 134 - I want to configure a zone on a different subnet to the global, but still use the global's default router. i.e., my ISP has given me two subnets, one has a gateway, the other does not, and I need that no-gateway subnet to route via the GW on the other.[21:09:00] <gavino> hm[21:09:05] <TomJ> This works in Linux apparently, which is why the ISP do it - any way in Solaris?[21:09:21] <effnorwood> gavino: what you did works too. i just gave you what might be easier for you. might not be too.[21:09:26] <gavino> is it better to copy that or is it okk that i just add dns to the hosts files line?[21:09:57] <effnorwood> gavino: either way works. i just find it easier to copy it as there is less chance for a mistake.[21:09:59] <gavino> ::1 fatman fatman.local localhost loghost also, what is this line?[21:10:07] <gavino> in /etc/hosts?[21:10:16] <gavino> [my serer called fatman lol][21:10:17] <effnorwood> that's the log host and localhost line[21:10:20] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[21:10:29] <tsoome> ::1 is loopback address in ipv6[21:10:39] <tsoome> same as 127.0.0.1[21:10:41] <gavino> do i need to leave it alone?[21:10:46] <gavino> if there is the 127 line?[21:10:50] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[21:10:57] <tsoome> no idea what net setup you have...[21:11:09] <gavino> just 1 static nic[21:11:41] <gavino> I added myip boxname boxname.domain[21:12:00] <gavino> oh thats ipv6[21:12:00] <gavino> oow[21:12:15] <effnorwood> gavino: take a look at Mike's blog. Lot's of good ideas there. eg - http://blog.laspina.ca/ubiquitous/running-zfs-over-iscsi-as-a-vmware-vmfs-store[21:12:21] <gavino> id ipv6 usible? I think nobody has switched over right?[21:12:54] <effnorwood> my issue with the reboot hanging appears to have something to do with a quota set on a dedup file system. surprise there.[21:13:45] <gavino> interesting[21:14:23] <effnorwood> gavino: i point that out because Mike uses his hosts file a lot and explains what he's doing[21:14:57] <gavino> ah ok[21:15:08] <Triskelios> gavino: the IPv6 transition is already under way, there are plenty of production networks now[21:15:08] <gavino> nice[21:15:32] <gavino> if I use ipv6 what about connecting to ipv4 networks?[21:16:04] <gavino> I need to read a good tutorial on networking and ipv6[21:19:23] <tsoome> docs.sun.com, get s10 admin guides, its all there and will apply to opensolaris as well[21:19:34] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[21:19:43] <gavino> oh?[21:19:44] <gavino> ok[21:19:49] <Triskelios> gavino: wikipedia is probably reasonable if you need general info...[21:20:19] <tsoome> solaris got dualstack, ipv4 and v6 can live side by side without issues[21:20:28] <gavino> oh thats nice[21:20:49] *** ma3x_ has joined #opensolaris[21:21:07] <TomJ> When I do 'pkg list -a bind' I see two - network/dns/bind and service/network/dns/bind, both same version. What's the difference?[21:21:40] <tsoome> check out svccfg or xml files from /var/svc[21:22:12] <LaidBack_01> anyone here have smokeping running on opensolaris?[21:22:16] <Triskelios> tsoome: question was about pkg, not SMF[21:22:27] <tsoome> ah, sorry, misread:)[21:22:44] <Triskelios> TomJ: one might be a legacy name?[21:22:48] <TomJ> Yeah, I'm installing bind, and am not sure which of those two I want, or what the difference is[21:22:51] <TomJ> right OK[21:22:59] <TomJ> any thoughts on which to choose? or how to find out?[21:23:37] <TomJ> pkg://opensolaris.org/network/dns/bind at 9 dot 6.1.3,5.11-0.134:20100302T042436Z known -----[21:23:39] <TomJ> pkg://opensolaris.org/service/network/dns/bind at 9 dot 6.1.3,5.11-0.134:20100302T045731Z known -----[21:23:48] <TomJ> everything is identical. maybe it doesn't matter[21:24:00] *** ma3x__ has quit IRC[21:24:36] <tsoome> bug in pkg store:)[21:25:06] *** timsf has quit IRC[21:25:27] <TomJ> hmm, and it won't acutally let me install network/dns/bind, because it says that matches two entries[21:25:38] *** ozux has quit IRC[21:25:40] <TomJ> I guess I need to specify the full FMRI[21:26:15] <Triskelios> yeah, they do look identical from pkg contents...[21:26:15] <TomJ> yeah that worked[21:26:16] <Triskelios> network/dns/bind was preinstalled for me[21:26:38] <TomJ> I installed from the b134 ISO which doesn't have much preinstalled[21:27:14] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[21:27:35] *** FattyAcid has joined #opensolaris[21:29:43] <TomJ> hmm, but now I don't have a service in svcs![21:30:00] <TomJ> maybe that's what service/network/dns/bind is.. the svc xml :)[21:30:22] <TomJ> yes it is, duh[21:30:31] <TomJ> why they are separate though, i do not know. that's silly[21:32:33] *** yippi has quit IRC[21:33:47] *** FattyAcid has left #opensolaris[21:34:33] *** Guest5223 has quit IRC[21:35:19] *** xapiens has quit IRC[21:35:50] *** t3hreal_adamd has joined #opensolaris[21:36:55] *** PrickelPit has quit IRC[21:37:59] *** t3h_realadamd has quit IRC[21:49:42] *** ApOgEE has quit IRC[21:49:47] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[21:50:50] *** dalibor has quit IRC[21:51:33] *** Mazon has quit IRC[21:51:57] <jthunder> I am thinking about upgrading an opensolaris box which has been built on an AMD (operton 165 / nvidia chipset) to a new Intel CPU (i5 platform). Is there any way that I can use my existing installation and somehow port it to the new platform?[21:52:24] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[21:52:44] *** Mazon has joined #opensolaris[21:52:48] <jthunder> I have a lot of customization and tweaking that would be nice to port over.[21:53:19] <lattera> are your customizations/tweaks using opcodes specific to that processor?[21:53:34] <lattera> seems like if your code's compiled for x86, it should work on x86 hardware[21:54:13] *** ApOgEE__ has joined #opensolaris[21:54:31] <TomJ> jthunder: just move the HDD(s) over. it'll boot fine[21:55:03] <jthunder> Tomj: so all of the hardware drivers and things that would be needed are already installed?[21:55:10] <TomJ> as long as all the new hardware is supported, of course[21:55:15] <TomJ> yeah I thik all drivers are always installed[21:55:16] <jthunder> nice[21:55:29] <TomJ> you could always add more from driver disk/cd if some were required[21:55:58] <jthunder> supported hardware is the trick I guess - now to look for compatibility[21:56:02] <jthunder> thanks![21:56:13] <TomJ> That's generally the case for most non-Windows OS' - they all have all the drivers all the time, as modules that are loaded dynamically when needed[21:56:14] <Triskelios> some drivers are not installed by default, but you can pkg install them (if you have networking)[21:56:50] <TomJ> look up the HW in advance and if it needs packages that you don't have, pkg install them before moving the HDD[21:56:53] <Triskelios> you may have to reimport the root pool after moving the disk - a live CD/USB would be needed[21:56:59] <TomJ> I think the pkg will install even if hte HW is not installed[21:57:14] <Triskelios> correct[21:57:30] <TomJ> Triskelios: why? The disks themselves are tagged, right? That's how OS can find the disks even if you move them about, order is unimportant[21:58:14] *** disharmo1y has quit IRC[22:00:27] <Triskelios> TomJ: the kernel unfortunately still needs the full boot device path - it uses this instead of probing every disk looking for the root pool[22:01:46] <TomJ> oh, where is that specified?[22:01:52] <TomJ> I mean which file[22:03:07] <Triskelios> it's in the metadata for the root pool, and I believe it's extracted by GRUB[22:03:10] <TomJ> OK, another package confusion, on Sun Studio. Two packages listed:[22:03:12] <TomJ> developer/sunstudio 12.1.1-0.111 known -----[22:03:13] <TomJ> sunstudio 12.1.1-1 known --r--[22:03:27] <TomJ> that r in sunstudio means 'renamed, a form of obsoletion', implying I should use the top one. but it has a lower version number?[22:03:37] *** gswain has joined #opensolaris[22:03:46] <TomJ> admittedly a very small difference in version, but still[22:03:49] *** fOB has quit IRC[22:04:01] <TomJ> Triskelios: ah ok, thanks[22:04:09] *** ApOgEE__ has quit IRC[22:06:03] *** balrog has joined #opensolaris[22:06:05] *** kimc has quit IRC[22:06:46] <balrog> How to install opensolaris on SPARC from CD? I was told there's a way but don't remember it :([22:06:56] <balrog> [lewellyn]: you here?[22:07:01] <Triskelios> TomJ: I don't think there are any version number constraints across renamed packages.. at any rate, the renamed package is just a stub[22:07:03] *** jfisc has quit IRC[22:07:23] <Triskelios> balrog: use the text installer or AI image[22:07:26] <TomJ> Triskelios: sorry you mean the top one, developer/sunstudio is a stub?[22:07:57] <Triskelios> TomJ: no, sunstudio at 12 dot 1.1-1[22:08:12] <Triskelios> TomJ: it should just be a dependency on the first package now[22:08:23] <richlowe> all the sunstudio packages are, ultimately, the same thing, I think.[22:08:23] <balrog> Triskelios: there was a way to get the channel bot to tell you where to go to get the info[22:08:23] <TomJ> so installing either gives the same result?[22:09:32] <Triskelios> TomJ: correct[22:09:32] <TomJ> thanks[22:09:32] <balrog> but I even forgot what the channel bot is called :([22:09:32] <bda> smrt.[22:09:32] <richlowe> balrog: bootable AI[22:09:32] <richlowe> balrog: the AI CD is directly bootable (now)[22:09:32] <balrog> okay.[22:09:32] *** datafirm has quit IRC[22:09:32] <bda> http://notallmicrosoft.blogspot.com/2010/01/step-by-step-guide-to-install.html # This was just posted to install-discuss@, too.[22:09:32] <balrog> how does it configure networking?[22:09:32] <bda> DHCP.[22:09:36] *** doug_ndndn has joined #opensolaris[22:09:38] <wdp> there's no support for dvb-t cards in opensolaris yet, or?[22:09:38] <bda> Or via profile, if you specify one.[22:09:48] <balrog> bda: can I set the subnet mask and stuff?[22:10:09] <Triskelios> wdp: not that I've heard of[22:10:20] <bda> Honestly, no idea. My forays into AI have left me grumpy.[22:10:21] <bda> But, probably.[22:10:35] <TomJ> in b134, do I need to manually install software with pkg in every zone, or will installing it in the global also install it into zones?[22:10:46] <wdp> allright. with xen i can loop devices through, right? so i could use a virtualized linux just to access my dvb-t card by using xen[22:10:48] <wdp> or?[22:18:02] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris[22:18:46] *** nachox has quit IRC[22:18:57] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[22:19:15] <wdp> Triskelios, ty for info, well i think it's a try worth[22:19:46] *** jax_ has joined #opensolaris[22:19:53] <Triskelios> balrog: looks like you can use this workaround: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=13719#c1[22:19:54] <TomJ> balrog: I know nothing about AI, but I would guess it has some way of manipulating the filesystem of the resulting instal - or installing a given set of files. so either way, you could pre-populate those two files[22:27:26] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris[22:27:57] <balrog> ahh[22:28:11] <balrog> I just have Sun Blade 150's and Sun Fire 280r's here[22:28:19] <balrog> though the 280R's might have those boards[22:28:28] *** winstonw0 has quit IRC[22:29:07] <TomJ> Got lots of doors you need propping open?[22:29:34] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[22:30:44] <TomJ> I want to get the source for package SUNWvim - is there an easy way to download all that in one go?[22:30:54] <TomJ> (I want to recompile vim with python support)[22:31:30] <alanc> since SUNWvim is in SFW, I think you'd end up grabbing the entire SFW gate, which builds a few hundred packages[22:31:43] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:33:57] <Triskelios> balrog: the SB150s had PGX64 chips (rebranded Mach64), which aren't properly supported in Xorg currently: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=467854[22:34:25] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[22:34:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp[22:35:20] <balrog> Triskelios: so that means it won't work? :([22:35:27] *** victori has quit IRC[22:36:13] <alanc> on SPARC, all graphics are unsupported except for one PCI card (XVR-100) and two PCI-E cards (XVR-300 & XVR-2500) and some service processors built in to Sun servers[22:36:43] <Triskelios> balrog: there are some workarounds discussed in the thread... it appears Martin is still working on it[22:37:08] <balrog> I see.[22:37:17] <alanc> oh, or the ones Martin has his own drivers for, as Trisk mentioned[22:38:26] <balrog> well apparently this is one of those, but the drivers are still being worked on.[22:41:11] <Triskelios> were you planning to actually use them as workstations? that isn't going to be a very good experience even if you got the drivers working[22:48:51] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris[22:48:52] <balrog> Netwolf: what workstations do you have?[22:49:02] <Netwolf> balrog: blade 2500 with xvr-120[22:49:10] <Netwolf> erm 1200[22:49:11] *** ahe_ has joined #opensolaris[22:49:15] <TomJ> Netwolf: Solaris 10 is still extremely good, just takes a bit more work to get it nice for workstation use[22:49:18] <balrog> that's newere[22:49:21] <balrog> newer *[22:49:25] <balrog> we have blade 150s here[22:49:27] <TomJ> or SXCE would have XSun I guess?[22:49:29] <balrog> like 24 of them[22:49:40] <alanc> I put a XVR-100 in my Sun Blade 2500, just don't expect 3D graphics performance on it[22:49:42] <TomJ> that's discontinued but the latest version had most of the OS cool stuff[22:49:51] <Netwolf> I can't find any release of SXCE floating anywhere. Not even on a torrent *sigh*[22:49:54] <alanc> TomJ: SXCE did have Xsun, until it SXCE died[22:50:12] <TomJ> it can still be downloaded right?[22:50:15] <Netwolf> no[22:50:16] <alanc> nope[22:50:18] <TomJ> oh[22:50:26] <TomJ> Might be able to find it on a torrent site[22:50:29] <alanc> the SXCE download site was shut down in January[22:50:31] <Netwolf> TomJ: no[22:51:21] <Netwolf> I looked :)[23:03:44] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris[23:04:02] * LadySerena wonders when 136 will hit IPS[23:04:15] <Triskelios> MattBenjamin: might be able to get a faster response on the opensolaris-code or tools-discuss list, unless you want to bug jmcp when he's awake[23:04:57] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:05:35] <Triskelios> MattBenjamin: the problem might already be fixed in the nightlies[23:06:28] <MattBenjamin> Triskelios: I figured it likely would, and so thought IRC would be the safe place to ask[23:07:30] <MattBenjamin> Triskelios: thanks for the pointers[23:07:34] <gavino> whats this ips I heard about?[23:07:47] <Triskelios> smrt: explain ips[23:07:47] <smrt> The new OpenSolaris packaging system. See also: pkg[23:09:55] <sstallion_work> LadySerena: it likely will not.[23:10:29] <LadySerena> :([23:11:16] <Triskelios> LadySerena: the next build will probably be whatever is current when the actual release is finished[23:12:00] <gavino> ooow[23:12:11] <gavino> postgresql 8.4.2 out[23:12:19] <axisys> i prefer prstat over top .. why would someone pick top over prstat .. looking for some arguments/points .. Brendan's page w/ dtrace shows how prstat add less burden than top .. could top actually give you wrong info? i know about aggregated cpu usage vs per cpu usage[23:13:12] *** MaxVandervelde has joined #opensolaris[23:13:37] <gavino> 8.4.3 now is compiling postgresql bad on opensolaris?[23:13:53] <gavino> top shows ram? and #cpu? n stuff?[23:13:56] *** fleyta has quit IRC[23:15:05] <Triskelios> axisys: top has some more interactivity built in. but yes, its sampling is inaccurate and it uses much more CPU time[23:15:48] <axisys> Triskelios: sampling is inaccurate.. yes I think I read about it somewhere.. let me see if I can find it w/ google[23:16:08] <axisys> gavino: it shows mem usage .. but not sure how accurate that is[23:16:09] <gavino> I find prstat is weid when things get busy[23:16:21] <gavino> does ti really accuratly show how much cpu a process is using?[23:16:50] <axisys> gavino: explain it .. top or prstat ?[23:18:12] <Triskelios> axisys: because of the way top polls the process table, it doesn't seem to catch short-lived processes for one[23:18:24] <gavino> prstat seems to never show like 15% of any cpu active[23:18:42] <gavino> or maybe I don't know howto read it yet[23:19:02] <Triskelios> gavino: I am not aware of any accuracy problems with prstat, keep in mind it's averaging over the sampling period[23:19:22] <gavino> hm[23:19:34] <gavino> anyone here compile postgresql? or bad idea?[23:19:38] <gavino> ;)[23:19:57] *** robo has quit IRC[23:20:30] <Triskelios> probably not a bad idea if you need features in the current release that aren't in the packaged version[23:20:31] <axisys> gavino: prstat shows per cpu usage..[23:21:37] *** gswain has left #opensolaris[23:22:26] *** Beket has quit IRC[23:22:41] <gavino> should it compile? should I use gcc? or that other thing[23:22:48] <gavino> gmake?[23:23:15] *** CompanionCube has joined #opensolaris[23:23:54] <Stric> gavino: are you sure you're up to compiling stuff?[23:23:59] <Triskelios> gavino: Sun Studio is the native compiler, but you can use gcc if you want...[23:24:09] <gavino> I can cmpile on linux ok.[23:24:18] <gavino> solaris gave me soem problems b4[23:24:40] <gavino> will postgresql compile on sun studio?[23:25:02] <tsoome> why you wanna compile it, isnt it prebuilt?[23:25:08] <Triskelios> yes, I'm sure the regular package is built with Studio[23:25:10] <tsoome> and packaged and all:P[23:25:45] <gavino> 8.3 not 8.4.3[23:25:49] <gavino> ;)[23:25:56] <tsoome> so?[23:25:57] <gavino> <--whiny bastard I know[23:26:22] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[23:26:26] <gavino> yeah[23:26:41] <tsoome> no didnt meant that, .3 got some needed fixes?[23:26:57] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[23:27:41] *** t3h_realadamd has quit IRC[23:28:39] <Stric> tsoome: and .3 vs .4.3 features[23:29:09] <gavino> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/static/release-8-4.html[23:29:17] *** zedrich has left #opensolaris[23:29:32] <gavino> bunch of stuff[23:30:16] <Triskelios> someone has patches to package 8.4: http://cr.opensolaris.org/~hlipa/sfwnv-pg84/[23:31:29] <Triskelios> oh wait, they were integrated[23:31:49] <gavino> dev repo?[23:32:22] <gavino> ;)[23:32:24] <gavino> silly me[23:32:26] <Triskelios> yes[23:32:28] <gavino> on basic repo[23:32:37] <gavino> wow opensolaris is quite nice[23:33:08] <gavino> I wish iceWM option though........gnome starts too many funky lil programs[23:37:49] *** system5_ has joined #opensolaris[23:37:54] *** MaxVandervelde has quit IRC[23:39:44] <datadigger> TomJ: A little late, but here you go: http://www.sunfreepacks.com/[23:40:16] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[23:40:16] <TomJ> datadigger: oh, that is SXCE for SPARC?[23:40:29] <TomJ> Netwolf ^^^[23:40:39] <datadigger> TomJ: Yes[23:40:58] <TomJ> It's Netwolf who wanted it, I'm sure he'll be very grateful datadigger :)[23:41:37] <wdp> if i use raidz for 3 500gb discs, do i have 1 TB data to use?[23:41:40] <wdp> like in raid 5?[23:41:47] <datadigger> TomJ: oh, ok. I tend to read scrollbacks a little too fast :) Netwolf: have fun ![23:41:48] <wdp> or do i have to use raidz2?[23:42:02] <TomJ> wdp: yes[23:42:06] <Stric> wdp: raidz1 will give you 1T, raidz2 will give you 0.5T[23:42:19] <Netwolf> TomJ: cool. thanks[23:42:21] <wdp> could someone tell me the differences between raidz and raidz2?[23:42:31] <Stric> about the same as raid5 vs raid6[23:42:31] <TomJ> wdp: yes to the first question that is. you dont want to use raidz2 with 3 drives, beause that uses 2 disks of redundnacy, which would be like a three-way mirror, but slower[23:42:34] <wdp> AAAAnd: is it possible to start with 1 500 gb disc and hotadd the other two discs later?[23:42:35] * Netwolf downloads b130[23:42:48] <TomJ> wdp: raidz / raid5 is one disk o redundnacy, raidz2/ raid6 is two disks of redundancy[23:42:55] <TomJ> wdp: no[23:43:01] <wdp> mhm.[23:43:10] <Stric> wdp: well.. you can.. but not easily. needs some juggling etc.[23:43:10] <TomJ> not in raidz/raidz2 anyway. you can make a single disk into a mirror[23:43:20] <wdp> well im trying to migrate from linux[23:43:22] <TomJ> Stric: oh?[23:43:26] <wdp> thing is, i dont know where to temp store my data[23:43:27] <sstallion_work> hrm[23:43:30] <wdp> (around 400 gb)[23:43:35] <sstallion_work> I thought re-distribution was not allowed for SXCE?[23:43:44] <TomJ> wdp: no other drive available? you can buy a 500GB internal or external pretty cheap[23:43:55] <Stric> TomJ: put data on single disk.. then create a degraded raidz1 with 2 disks + missing.. copy stuff over, then put the original disk into the raidz[23:43:57] <TomJ> sstallion_work: probably not no. let Netwolf get it before you report them :)[23:43:58] <wdp> currently running sw raid 5 here. so i need two discs for the raid 5 and i could have a spare 500 gb disc (where i wanted to install osol on)[23:43:59] <datadigger> wdp: I bought 3 500 GB USB disks for migration purposes. They're not expensive.[23:44:12] <TomJ> Stric: nice[23:44:19] * sstallion_work shrugs.[23:44:23] <system5_> Can you add SXCE snv_89 ? I have 128, 129, 130, but 89 is the build that Joyent uses, lets you compile on the same build at home then upload to a Joyent accelerator[23:44:25] <wdp> datadigger, 40-70 euro here i guess. (sata 2 500 gb around 40 euro)[23:44:26] <Stric> degraded by using a sparse file, then remove it[23:44:27] <sstallion_work> Its a self correcting problem. SXCE is dead.[23:44:32] <sstallion_work> (like it or not)[23:44:40] <wdp> wouldnt call that cheap :p[23:44:40] <datadigger> wdp: yep.[23:44:45] <TomJ> sstallion_work: yeah, Netwolf wanted XSun and something later than Solaris[23:44:57] <sstallion_work> why bother with XSun?[23:45:42] <TomJ> some SPARC graphic card I think, not supported by x86[23:45:44] <CosmicDJ> system5_: why don't you just compile your stuff on solaris10 (or 9, that should work for sure on snv_89)?[23:45:50] <TomJ> XOrg[23:46:00] <system5_> that might work[23:46:05] <sstallion_work> TomJ: well... the universal solution applies: buy supported hardware ;)[23:46:13] <sstallion_work> its pretty trivial to find a supported framebuffer and install it[23:46:23] <sstallion_work> (not to mention cheap)[23:46:44] <system5_> my SXCE collection is pretty random as I wasn't a connoiseur on which builds were better than others[23:46:47] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[23:46:59] <TomJ> sstallion_work: ok, well tell Netwolf :)[23:47:05] *** ahe_ has quit IRC[23:47:15] <Netwolf> sstallion_work: xvr-1200 was supported hardware :)[23:47:25] <sstallion_work> Netwolf: its not anymore. Find a new one.[23:47:27] <wdp> well, will 2 discs work?[23:47:28] <Netwolf> not, unfortunately on, opensolaris[23:47:38] <TomJ> I have a SXCE b99 home file server with a 2 disk rpool, and a 14 disk raidz2 data pool. Can I fairly painlesslty upgrade to b134, in a separate boot environment?[23:48:02] <sstallion_work> I believe alanc has a list floating somewhere of supported devices on X.org[23:48:11] <sstallion_work> I would highly recommend picking one up if you plan on using OpenSolaris[23:48:20] <sstallion_work> SXCE isn't a solution[23:48:54] * alanc gave it in channel a couple hours back, before going off to do real work and to avoid having to see people discussing license violating SXCE redistribution...[23:49:06] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[23:49:10] <system5_> Anybody else besides me miss the fact that packages in the new Indiana builds don't have a stock ticker symbol in front of them anymore[23:49:21] <alanc> [13:40] <alanc> on SPARC, all graphics are unsupported except for one PCI card (XVR-100) and two PCI-E cards (XVR-300 & XVR-2500) and some service processors built in to Sun servers[23:49:39] <system5_> made it easy for me to tell which packages were from blastwave, which ones were from sunfreepack, etc. etc.[23:49:47] <sstallion_work> alanc++[23:49:57] * CosmicDJ points alanc to http://mirror.cogentco.com/pub/misc/ ; solaris10 patch clusters for free[23:50:12] *** Japsu has left #opensolaris[23:50:15] <system5_> putting the vendor's stock ticker symbol (or a fake one) made it easy for me to sort packages by origin using regular expressions[23:50:35] <alanc> sadly (or fortunately depending on your point of view), I have no idea who to report Oracle license violations to[23:50:35] <Netwolf> CosmicDJ: cool. Thanks[23:50:59] <CosmicDJ> share the wealth[23:51:15] <Netwolf> exactly. For the fear of being kicked. Fuck Oracle.[23:51:16] <TomJ> system5_: well I've jst been installing plenty that have SUNW.. like SUNWgnu-findutils, SUNWgnu-coreutils, etc, whih aren't installed in a zone automatically[23:51:18] <alanc> system5: the replacement for that is the publisher name in the full pkg fmri: pkg://opensolaris.org/x11/server/xorg at 1 dot 7.4,5.11-0.134:20100302T074016Z[23:51:25] <Netwolf> sad, as I used to work at Sun in 2000[23:51:32] *** Netwolf was kicked by sstallion_work (request processed)[23:51:36] <TomJ> is ther e a way to change the packages that are installed by default in a new zone?[23:51:40] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris[23:51:43] <Netwolf> hehe[23:51:45] <sstallion_work> Netwolf: keep it civil.[23:52:00] * Netwolf shrugs and agrees[23:52:59] <Netwolf> at least pca is getting solaris 10 patches a day old. Someone still works at sun? on solaris. Cool[23:53:35] <Triskelios> system5: the publisher name is part of package metadata now[23:53:37] <gavino> whats a retard easy ftp server for opensol?[23:53:37] <system5_> yeah, since I've been using opensolaris since 2008.05, all my shell scripts for using "pkg install" and sed, awk, perl, etc. to set up a certain kind of customized environment will probably be broken in the new build, but I'm just happy that OpenSolaris is still kicking around in some form or another[23:53:39] <gavino> <--retard[23:53:46] <gavino> vsftpd on linux my usual route[23:53:58] <Netwolf> I used to like pureftpd[23:54:01] <Triskelios> system5: (including the fmri)[23:54:20] <system5_> still too happy to really complain, except for that Nvidia MVP67 driver alias that has been missing since 2008.... grrrrrrrrr[23:54:28] <TomJ> Is upgrading from SXCE b99 (installed on ZFS) to OS b134 a simple process?[23:54:55] <sstallion_work> TomJ: you have to re-install.[23:55:05] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: since you can't use the iso to upgrade (IIRC), I don't think so[23:55:18] <TomJ> sstallion_work: completely from scratch? I lose everything on rpool?[23:55:25] <alanc> system5: if you pkg install the SUNW* name, the pkg repo will look up the mapping to the new name and install the right package for you, since IPS tracks package renaming[23:55:34] <system5_> gavino- WU-FTP is a retard easy FTP server for opensolaris[23:55:47] <Triskelios> system5: I would bug the assigned engineer about the driver alias...[23:55:51] <wdp> will zfs raidz work with only two discs, if i add a third later?[23:56:03] <wdp> like a degraded raid 5[23:56:05] <sstallion_work> TomJ: yes. there is no upgrade path from SXCE.[23:56:10] <system5_> gavino- the only problem I had with WU-FTP was getting chroot FTP to work in a zone, I had to do zoneadm ready and then run the command to create the chroot from the global zone[23:56:14] <TomJ> wdp: yes, I think that is what Stric was describing to me earlier. you start with a degraded raidz, because one disk is missing, and add it later[23:56:39] <TomJ> sstallion_work: ok thanks. but my non-rpool ZFS sets will import fine, right? and then I can upgrade their zpool/zfs version[23:56:41] <sstallion_work> jmcp: ping.[23:56:44] <wdp> TomJ, if you got that "description" could u paste it to me or point me to the docu if you got some link for me?[23:56:51] <sstallion_work> TomJ: should be fine.[23:57:21] <TomJ> wdp: There are links to documentation in the topic. and do man zpool. or ask Stric. I haven't done it specifically myself.[23:57:29] <wdp> ic.[23:57:42] <TomJ> You should do 1 & 2 before 3[23:57:56] <wdp> my last solaris try was ago a year i think or maybe ago 2 years[23:57:57] <gavino> is wu-ftp in packages?[23:57:58] <gavino> hmm[23:57:59] <system5_> gavino- WU-FTPd comes with Solaris and OpenSolaris by default, anything else you'll have to compile from source or use blastwave then change your path to put /opt/csw (definitely not for non-experienced users)[23:58:04] <wdp> let's see how osol looks now :)[23:58:05] <gavino> pkg search -a ftp[23:58:09] <gavino> oh[23:58:11] <system5_> wu-ftp comes with OpenSolaris pre installed[23:58:15] <gavino> how nice[23:58:22] <johannes> 1 & 2 == 0[23:58:29] <sstallion_work> system5_: what?[23:58:31] <Triskelios> TomJ: there are some instructions on installing osol on the same root pool as SXCE, but it is tricky[23:58:34] <sstallion_work> in.ftpd is not WU-ftpd[23:58:49] <Netwolf> sstallion_work: thank you. I remember that[23:59:16] <system5_> run this command gavino: svcs ftp[23:59:21] <system5_> and what is your output ?[23:59:23] <TomJ> Triskelios: ok I probably won't bother then, I'll just copy stuff I need from rpool to my other pool, and trash rpool. Only challenge will be working out which 2 of my 16 disks comprise rpool :) I will likely unplug the other 14 to avoid any chance of mistake when installing[23:59:29] <TomJ> thanks[23:59:29] <Netwolf> I remember hacking wu-ftpd in my early programming days in university. God know how many times the poor wu-ftpd found itself in hot waters[23:59:36] <gavino> STATE STIME FMRI[23:59:36] <gavino> disabled 14:50:39 svc:/network/ftp:default[23:59:55] *** ewdafa has quit IRC