April 4, 2010 
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April 4, 2010 [00:00:05] <fleyta> no[00:00:10] <richlowe> enable network:physical rather than network:nwam, /etc/hosts, /etc/netmasks, /etc/defaultrouter /etc/hostname.e1000g0 /etc/hostname6.e1000g0[00:00:13] <fleyta> no dhcp, YP or somesuch.[00:00:21] <fleyta> AHHHHH[00:00:31] <fleyta> /etc/hostname*[00:00:39] *** swa_work has quit IRC[00:01:59] <nachox> fleyta, you need to disable nwam, you need to create a file called /etc/hostname.e1000g0 or some such depending on the output of dladm show-phys, you also need to enable physical:default[00:02:40] <nachox> if you place a hostname inside /etc/hostname.e1000g0, you also need to edit /etc/hosts to assign an ip to that host[00:03:46] <fleyta> nice[00:03:52] <fleyta> nachox: *kiss*[00:09:39] <eklof> Anyone uses osol at home with a ssd-cache device, does one benefit from ssd even with non-internet-server-uses?[00:11:11] *** RoyK has left #opensolaris[00:11:36] <fleyta> nachox: now I get: ping 192.168.2.1: no route[00:12:13] <nachox> fleyta, what does ifconfig -a say?[00:12:18] <fleyta> nachox: but /etc/defaultrouter points to 192.168.2.1, the machine itself has 192.168.2.81 as IP4 and netmask is 255.255.255.0[00:14:25] <fleyta> nachox: looks OK. Can't paste because machine has no network or shared clipboard.[00:14:25] <zazenrasta> fleyta: route add default 192.168.2.1[00:14:56] <fleyta> zazenrasta: network is unreachable[00:15:00] <fleyta> WTF?[00:15:11] <fleyta> THIS IS THE SAME NETWORK.[00:15:17] <nachox> fleyta, dladm show-ether[00:15:25] <nachox> does the thing even have link?[00:15:49] <fleyta> e1000g0 link up[00:15:51] <fleyta> all ok[00:16:32] <nachox> and the output of ifconfig -a actually tell you that the nic has that address?[00:17:11] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC[00:19:22] <fleyta> nachox: yes. but when I ping 192.168.2.81 I get no route to host. but I can ping the IP6 address.[00:19:55] *** Killsudo has joined #opensolaris[00:20:07] <nachox> ifconfig e1000g0 up[00:21:14] <tomww> yes, and what else flags are shown with ifconfig -a.[00:21:15] <fleyta> nachox: this works.[00:21:21] <fleyta> nachox: thank you.[00:21:42] <fleyta> nachox: Any clue why the interface as not "up"?[00:22:32] <nachox> fleyta, no idea, should be fine now though if you reboot[00:22:53] <tomww> if set manually, an interface is noever up automaticly on Solaris.[00:24:04] <nachox> he didnt set it up manually, he used physical:default or so he said[00:24:47] <fleyta> I am glad they still say that Opensolaris is a development alpha release.[00:24:50] <fleyta> Whatamess.[00:25:03] <fleyta> I want SXCE back.[00:25:48] <nachox> fleyta, physical:default or its sysv init equivalent iis what solaris used for as long as i can remember[00:27:56] <fleyta> how do I install blastwave software with pkg?[00:28:26] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:28:36] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[00:28:41] <eviljames> doesn't blastwave have their own set of pkg tools?[00:29:29] <fleyta> eviljames: it uses pkgadd to install that, but I think pkgadd is not allowed in Opensolaris?[00:30:18] <nachox> fleyta, the blastwave guys have their own ips repository[00:32:07] <fleyta> nachox: but how do I access it?[00:32:30] *** engrxyz has joined #opensolaris[00:32:43] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:32:52] <eklof> Seems like I can't remove sendmail, I get "pkgrm: ERROR: unable to change current working directory to </var/sadm/pkg/SUNWsndmu/install>[00:32:59] *** Killsudo has quit IRC[00:33:18] <g4lt-mordant> eklof, you're doing it as UID0?[00:33:23] <eklof> Any ideas on how to override, seems like there is no install manifest or whatever.[00:33:39] <eklof> pfexec pkgrm SUNWsndmu[00:34:08] <g4lt-mordant> make the directory?[00:34:27] <eklof> am thinking it's looking for some file[00:34:36] <eklof> but I could try to create a empty dir[00:34:48] <system5> fleyta, do you have a file with this name: /etc/hostname.e100g0 ?[00:35:09] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[00:35:17] <fleyta> system5: yes, its hostname.e1000g0 and network is now running.[00:35:32] <fleyta> How do I use blastwave packages from Indiana?[00:35:52] <system5> I just put the IP address in there: echo "192.168.1.25" > /etc/hostname.e100g0 but other people put their hostname in there[00:36:00] <g4lt-mordant> eklof, you won't know which file needs to be there until you get past the "unable to change working dir" ;)[00:36:06] <system5> and I think it uses /etc/hosts to determine the IP address[00:36:09] <eklof> BW ips repo is down and not recommeded anyway fleyta[00:36:36] <system5> fletya, blastwave runs fine on Indiana the same way as Solaris 10 but it is very bloated in that it will fill your /opt directory up with stuff that's required for Solaris 8 but not OpenSolaris[00:36:37] <g4lt-mordant> fleyta, what package do you want from blastwave?[00:36:44] <system5> it is bloated but fast[00:36:51] <system5> much faster than IPS ;-)[00:36:53] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: nedit[00:37:01] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: netpbm[00:37:21] <system5> I guess the bloat isn't a big deal if you have ZFS compression and deduplication and are running blastwave in lots of OpenSolaris ipkg zones[00:37:29] *** zenjuzu has joined #opensolaris[00:37:34] <system5> hey, fleyta, so are you part of the OpenSolaris on System Z project?[00:37:42] <system5> what do you code for?[00:38:10] <fleyta> system5: ksh93 and POSIX utilities.[00:38:34] *** Killsudo has joined #opensolaris[00:38:35] <fleyta> system5: no, I am not part but I think *ports* are important.[00:38:40] <system5> cool[00:38:46] <fleyta> Without ports Opensolaris is fail.[00:38:59] <fleyta> We need other vendors and hardware involved to grow.[00:39:01] <system5> well we don't need hardware really for the System Z because you can use Hercules to emulate the Z architecture without permission from IBM[00:39:19] <system5> like the permission / license you needed for FLEX-ES or that other thing that they replaced FLEX-ES with (forgot the name)[00:39:26] <system5> wish there was a good emulator like that for Power and Itanium[00:39:31] <system5> Hercules is awesome[00:39:39] <tomww> system5: it is actually using the name resolver to get the hostname->IP mapping (nsswitch.conf "hosts")[00:39:55] <tomww> getent hosts thisnamehere to verify[00:40:19] <system5> @tomww, are there any problems with me putting the IP address inside /etc/hostname.e100g0 instead of a hostname?[00:40:44] <system5> I always thought putting a hostname in there was silly, I configure it the same way on OpenBSD and OpenSolaris, just put an IP address in /etc/hostname.interface[00:40:59] <system5> * /etc/hostname.e1000g0[00:41:21] <tomww> not that I know of, you are free to put an ip address in there.[00:42:16] <tomww> using the way through /etc/hosts is the way the installer does it and this is a tiny little bit more transparent in my eyes[00:43:53] *** Killsudo has quit IRC[00:44:13] <eklof> g4lt-mordant: ah, seems like i needed to remove it through IPS[00:45:26] <eklof> yes, finallty, postfix! :)[00:46:46] <system5> postfix is in IPS!!![00:46:48] <system5> ???[00:46:57] <system5> in /contrib or in /dev ?[00:47:20] <system5> I was going to switch from Indiana to Nexenta just for Postfix and the dpkg-reconfigure postfix command[00:47:20] <eklof> no I added a specially build package with pkgadd[00:47:29] <eklof> not in ips yet unfortunately.[00:47:43] <eklof> and only version 2.4.6 i was able to find[00:47:49] <eklof> but better than nothing.[00:47:53] <tomww> postfix is in /pending or /contrib and there is a postfix in spec-files-extra/experimental (with spamassassin and stuff)[00:48:31] *** zenjuzu has quit IRC[00:48:38] <system5> what is the URL to your postfix package? Some guy in Switzerland who works for Sun made a SysV package, and there's another one floating around that was done by that UX-admin guy that hangs out at opensolaris.org[00:48:49] <eklof> http://ihsan.dogan.ch/postfix/downloads/CNDpostfix-2.6.2,REV=090607-SunOS5.11-i386.pkg.bz2[00:48:52] <tomww> plain postfix is not enough for a publicly reachable mailserver ...[00:49:29] <eklof> just ips uninstall sendmail first, then pkadd -d[00:49:35] <eklof> pkgadd even[00:50:13] <eklof> and pkg unintall of course[00:50:16] <eklof> getting tired[00:50:18] <system5> Ihsan Dogan is the name of the guy who made the old Postfix package, I think[00:50:24] <system5> he works for Sun in switzerland[00:50:25] <system5> google him[00:50:55] <eklof> yes that's 10 month old package.[00:51:02] <system5> so it's no good?[00:51:15] <system5> oh, so you are Ihsahn Dogan[00:51:16] <system5> heh[00:52:42] <eklof> oh no im not :)[00:52:56] <kimc> postfix compiles out-of-box with no problem, give it a shot[00:53:06] <trygvis> ihsan is on #opencsw if you want to talk to him[00:53:12] <eklof> I'm configuring it now, will be able to tell you in a while :)[00:53:17] <kimc> good[00:53:20] <system5> I wish there was a Postfix SysV package (maybe available from blastwave) with full SMF integration[00:53:30] <system5> would take me a long time to compile and design the SMF manifests myself[00:53:33] <trygvis> opencsw has one, but it's kinda old[00:53:45] <trygvis> you can take the manifest[00:54:02] <kimc> i can set you up with the SMf stuff if you need it[00:54:53] <kimc> postfix even builds out-of-box with SunStudio[00:55:02] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[00:55:12] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[00:56:24] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[00:56:47] <fleyta> How can I get libXm.so.4?[00:56:52] <kimc> its also easy to integrate postfix with dovecot for pop3 or imap[00:56:54] <fleyta> How can I get libXm.so.4 for Opensolaris?[00:58:19] <Aria> Install SUNWmfrun?[00:59:03] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:59:34] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[00:59:49] <fleyta> Aria: How do I do that?[01:00:39] <reflect> it might be more interesting to tell him how to figure out what to install..[01:01:23] <reflect> I'm no good at these kind of things, though[01:01:47] *** kpt-pejsek has quit IRC[01:02:06] *** Killsudo has joined #opensolaris[01:02:26] <Aria> try pkg install SUNWmfrun[01:02:30] <tomww> pkg search -r libXm.so.4[01:03:29] <tomww> it then tells the packages containing the file. In the example choose pkg install pkg:/SUNWmfrun (as Aria wrote)[01:05:55] *** syamajala has quit IRC[01:07:07] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[01:07:12] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[01:10:31] *** javashin has quit IRC[01:13:36] *** nachox has quit IRC[01:21:27] *** ma3x has quit IRC[01:30:24] *** SmaSh2 has quit IRC[01:33:06] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[01:34:04] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[01:35:26] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[01:36:42] *** nikolam has quit IRC[01:36:48] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[01:38:26] *** skrewla has quit IRC[01:43:01] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[01:44:30] *** skrewla has joined #opensolaris[01:46:24] *** hecsa has quit IRC[01:46:42] *** agrajag has quit IRC[01:48:56] <Meths> How can you view reverse dependencies for a package?[01:51:04] <g4lt-mordant> have I mentioned how glad I am that opensolaris doesn't do GSoC? every freaking 10 minutes, "have any mentors been selected for $PROJECT_THAT_DOES_GSOC?"[01:54:12] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: You do not understand. GSoC will not happen for Opensolaris as long Opensolaris uses closed source.[01:54:51] <g4lt-mordant> fleyta, you don't understand, I think not having GSoC idiots around is a GOOD thing[01:55:31] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: That's at least what the Google people said on the LinuxTag: Opensolaris is not opensource when it has closed pieces and Google will not invest in it as long there are closed parts.[01:56:00] <g4lt-mordant> fleyta, and good riddance to bad coders[01:56:22] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: *I* wish I would get at least a minor payment for my work. I can't even pay my rent and that puts us into trouble.[01:56:24] *** kpt-pejsek has joined #opensolaris[01:56:33] <g4lt-mordant> GSoC coders are lice, if htye really cared, they'd sign SCAs[01:56:53] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: when then Google will not pay them.[01:57:28] <fleyta> Google is not going to invest in Opensolaris. And IMO that statement is bad.[01:57:54] <g4lt-mordant> right, so the only people who google will pay to code shouldn;t be allowed ner an IDE[01:58:33] <g4lt-mordant> GSoC coders are idiots, let them bone up other projects[01:58:41] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: I don't want to say its good, I just say what Google thinks about Opensolaris.[01:59:10] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: serious, I wish my work would be a tiny profitable[01:59:29] <g4lt-mordant> no, you sday what you've heard some people at google say. you cannot read google's mind[01:59:49] *** milek_ has quit IRC[01:59:52] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: this was the Geschaftsfueherer von Google Deutschland[02:00:05] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: not some wanky idiot.[02:00:43] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: and he said that during a public podium discussion[02:01:03] <g4lt-mordant> and he ain't sergey brin[02:01:12] <fleyta> g4lt-mordant: in my eyes this is the closest to a public statement[02:02:15] <CosmicDJ> link?[02:02:40] *** kpt-pejsek has quit IRC[02:03:20] <g4lt-mordant> and given that I do recall once a halfhearted attempt at getting some GSoC people on a consolidation, I tell you that at best it's sour grapes, because the unofficial line after that is "screw GSoC"[02:04:14] <fleyta> CosmicDJ: maybe heise.de[02:04:46] <fleyta> CosmicDJ: such japping' is hardly missed by the heise.de newsticker[02:10:13] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[02:10:30] *** timeless_mbp has left #opensolaris[02:15:35] *** Zauberpony has joined #opensolaris[02:16:38] *** hunter has quit IRC[02:17:36] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[02:20:03] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[02:20:35] *** sponix has quit IRC[02:24:01] *** hunter has left #opensolaris[02:32:25] *** sstallion has quit IRC[02:33:25] *** JCrx has joined #opensolaris[02:35:25] *** cybernd has quit IRC[02:36:22] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[02:37:35] *** javashin has quit IRC[02:47:10] *** FireflyST has quit IRC[02:49:06] *** FireflyST has joined #opensolaris[02:49:41] <bball> is there a tutorial for using IPS to update ON ?[02:50:02] <bball> I just built from source and want to install but am worried about bricking my system with BFU[02:51:06] *** Gman__ has joined #opensolaris[02:51:07] *** Gman_ has quit IRC[02:53:27] *** zedrich has joined #opensolaris[02:54:23] <zedrich> in zfs Ive set 'zfs allow user create,destroy,mount tank/vm' ..[02:54:41] <zedrich> however I notice that if root creates a -V under that then the user still cannot read it...[02:54:48] *** agrajag has joined #opensolaris[02:54:50] <zedrich> is there a perm called 'read' that i cant find?[02:55:14] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[03:01:22] *** q5sys has joined #opensolaris[03:01:35] *** robinbowes has joined #opensolaris[03:02:28] *** vergil66 has joined #opensolaris[03:03:08] *** vergil66 has quit IRC[03:04:19] *** nage_ has quit IRC[03:06:06] *** agrajag has quit IRC[03:09:13] *** sstallion has quit IRC[03:09:42] *** nitrile_ has joined #opensolaris[03:10:08] *** agrajag has joined #opensolaris[03:11:19] <bball> hrm.. I'm trying to follow the devref to use bfu to install from my ON workspace but I don't have the directory that is referenced[03:11:42] <bball> bfu `pwd`/archives/`uname -p`/nightly[03:11:56] <bball> I don't have an "archives" directory in my workspace dir[03:12:16] *** nitrile has quit IRC[03:13:45] *** rmorse has quit IRC[03:13:56] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[03:22:35] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[03:26:39] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[03:27:43] *** tosh has quit IRC[03:28:30] *** skrewla has quit IRC[03:40:39] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[03:43:22] *** communicator has quit IRC[03:52:50] *** q5sys has quit IRC[03:54:30] *** Nofer has quit IRC[03:55:30] *** Fallen_Demon has joined #opensolaris[03:56:42] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[03:58:58] *** fleyta has quit IRC[03:59:19] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[03:59:53] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[04:00:18] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[04:02:03] <bball> ok.. I got bfu to install[04:02:21] <bball> but I'm missing the acr script/bin[04:02:35] <bball> it's not in my /opt/onbld/bin dir[04:05:23] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[04:05:24] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[04:05:48] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[04:13:44] <duckinator> \o/ 768MB RAM -> 2GB. so much nicer :>[04:15:12] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[04:16:58] *** ozux has quit IRC[04:18:28] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[04:19:29] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[04:19:46] <kukhuvud> random, non osol related question:[04:20:00] <kukhuvud> what e-mail client are you guys using on linux?[04:20:30] <Aria> I'd have to use Linux to answer that ;-)[04:20:48] <kukhuvud> well then, how about in osol? :)[04:20:58] <CodeWar> gmail[04:21:10] <kukhuvud> fair enough[04:21:22] <Aria> mutt on my mail server. Mostly use MacOS for my UI[04:21:51] <duckinator> i use gmail ;P i used thunderbird, and may start using it again now that i have a decent amount of RAM :)[04:22:23] <Aria> I wrote a webmail system in Ruby, I use that a fair amount[04:22:58] <kukhuvud> i have a pop account with non-unlimited storage, so sadly gmail is out of the question for me[04:23:47] <kukhuvud> i guess i'll just use thunderbird or evolution or somehting ;)[04:23:59] <Aria> Why's that eliminate GMail?[04:24:22] <duckinator> Aria: oooh...fun[04:24:31] <duckinator> kukhuvud: why's that eliminate you getting a gmail account? lol[04:24:47] <kukhuvud> would gmail store non-gmail e-mail?[04:25:33] <smyth_rj1> yup, all my accounts feed into my gmail which feeds to my android phone[04:25:33] <duckinator> you can import old emails and i think receive them via pop or imap, but not send from the other account[04:25:39] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[04:25:42] <CodeWar> yes you can have your pop fwd it to your gmail acct .. your replies from gmail will go through taht account too[04:25:47] <smyth_rj1> you can send to but it takes some setting up[04:26:01] <Aria> Yeah.[04:26:06] <duckinator> oh, neat. i'd try that if i actually had another email account i cared about[04:26:12] <Aria> Hehe.[04:26:15] <Aria> It works well.[04:26:22] <Aria> (I recommend it to several customers)[04:26:24] <kukhuvud> that sounds kinda cool[04:26:34] <duckinator> i have my @gmail.com linked to my @duckinator.net that uses gmail ;D[04:26:47] <duckinator> so i can send/receive from either by logging into my @duckinator.net[04:26:47] *** TommyTheKid has joined #opensolaris[04:27:22] <synegy34> anyone know why with LDAP configured the name service cache daemon starts using 100% of the cpu?[04:27:37] <Aria> Got an infinite loop there?[04:27:41] <synegy34> looks like it[04:27:46] <synegy34> had to restart the daemon to clear it[04:27:49] <Aria> Looking up the ldap server by querying the ldap server?[04:27:54] <synegy34> wonder if i could just disable it[04:28:02] <synegy34> i dont think it will cause issues but im unsure[04:28:09] <Aria> It'll load the LDAP server.[04:28:16] <Aria> Do you have hosts going to LDAP?[04:28:46] <synegy34> you mean do i have client machines authing LDAP through the particular server?[04:28:59] <Aria> No, I mean looking up hosts by querying LDAP instead of DNS[04:29:02] <synegy34> no[04:29:14] <synegy34> i reconf. nsswitch.conf for DNS instead of LDAP[04:29:15] <Aria> Well, not that then[04:29:35] <synegy34> LDAP is 100% only used for passwd and groups[04:30:37] <synegy34> my other question here is if i disable the name cache daemon that will only increase load against the LDAP server correct?[04:30:59] *** medar has quit IRC[04:34:09] <kukhuvud> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?&answer=21288[04:34:29] <kukhuvud> if anyone's curious, that's how to set up external pop mail in gmail[04:35:08] <kukhuvud> thanks for the tip[04:35:39] <kukhuvud> though i must admit i'm a bit nervous to keep my "main" e-mail in the cloud[04:37:08] <Aria> imapsync![04:37:11] <Aria> Keep a local copy![04:38:02] <kukhuvud> which brings me back to the main question, what e-mail client do you guys use? :)[04:38:12] <bda> mutt.[04:38:17] *** zazenrasta has quit IRC[04:38:30] <Aria> Mail.app, mutt, webmail, gmail, Thunderbird.[04:38:46] <Aria> Also some grepping in my ~/Maildir[04:38:49] <kukhuvud> i just gave up windows a few days ago, and e-mail is the last thing i need to sort out[04:39:31] <CodeWar> you gave up Win7 to come to OSOL? wow clever move ....[04:40:05] <synegy34> was that belittlement? or an actual praise?[04:40:19] <kukhuvud> belittlement, i think[04:40:35] <kukhuvud> i use osol for a server, not a desktop[04:40:49] <CodeWar> and you run your mail client on the server?[04:41:05] <kukhuvud> no, i run my mail client on fedora[04:41:16] <kukhuvud> or i will, once i choose one[04:41:29] <CodeWar> so essentially you are between desktops now . .. good luck[04:41:59] <kukhuvud> well, i haven't powered on the windows box for 4 days now[04:42:28] <kukhuvud> and so far iäm happy[04:42:51] <kukhuvud> it's made me realize that i need to fix how i do sharing on my osol server[04:43:09] <kukhuvud> and it's made me realize that i really depend on my esxi box[04:43:29] <synegy34> OSOL on ESXi?[04:43:51] <kukhuvud> nope, osol on a nice custom i5 box[04:44:04] <synegy34> was about to say[04:44:08] <kukhuvud> yeah ;)[04:44:13] <kukhuvud> that'd be insane[04:44:20] <synegy34> heh[04:44:23] <synegy34> just a lil[04:44:26] <synegy34> considering[04:44:41] <kukhuvud> i have xp, rhel, server 2003 r2 & debian vm's running[04:44:46] <synegy34> in my profession i've seen 20 OSOL + Sol 10 on an ESX box with 5 to 10 zones in eash VM[04:45:06] *** zazenrasta has joined #opensolaris[04:45:24] <kukhuvud> wow, that must have been a heavy server![04:45:29] <synegy34> yea[04:45:31] <synegy34> well[04:45:37] <synegy34> it was a VMware ESX DRS Cluster so[04:45:38] <kukhuvud> like an hp dl 580 or something[04:46:12] <synegy34> if i remember the env config correctly it was 4 HP DL 380G6's, dual Xeon 5500's with 32GB RAM[04:46:15] <synegy34> something like that[04:46:40] <kukhuvud> nice[04:47:18] <kukhuvud> we have some insane esx clustering at work, but i'm not part of that... i just handle our infrastructure[04:47:26] <synegy34> ah[04:47:50] <synegy34> i work QA for a storage virtualization and data protection firm so i see some interesting configurations[04:48:30] <kukhuvud> i work IT for a megacorp, so i see some as well, but i do'ät get to play much ;)[04:48:39] <synegy34> :)[04:49:17] <synegy34> i get to play some but uh, most of my fun comes from the environment i built at home[04:49:27] <kukhuvud> same here :)[04:50:16] <synegy34> you like to keep your OS'es diverse i see though[04:50:23] <synegy34> XP, RHEL, Debian etc[04:50:31] <kukhuvud> yup yup[04:50:37] <synegy34> heh[04:50:40] <CodeWar> speaking of thunderbird looks like the mozilla guys went home on friday w/o bothering to release 3.0.4 patch for opensolaris[04:50:41] <synegy34> used to do the same thing[04:50:48] <kukhuvud> i think fedora was a nice decision for my new desktop[04:50:58] <kukhuvud> i failed with osol as a desktop[04:50:59] <synegy34> Fedora is a good desktop distro[04:51:14] <kukhuvud> and i didn't like the new debian[04:51:41] <synegy34> i haven't really tried OSOL in a desktop environment, i've mostly thus far used it for a base for installing zones and such for servers[04:52:20] <CodeWar> nvm found it[04:54:57] <kukhuvud> i tried, and just found everything a nightmare to compile[04:55:13] <kukhuvud> i never did get the latest filezilla running[04:55:26] <kukhuvud> and there's no identd tool at all for osol[04:55:42] *** Garen has quit IRC[04:55:52] <kukhuvud> i <3 raidz, so my osol will remain a server[04:56:05] <synegy34> ZFS is the main reason i moved my home servers to OSOL[04:56:11] <synegy34> Zones was just a plus[04:56:14] <kukhuvud> even if oracle makes my pay for solaris, i'll stick with it, just for raidz[04:56:59] <kukhuvud> hopefully they won't charge much more than red hat does ;)[04:57:11] <kukhuvud> that's assuming the worst case scenario, or course[04:57:13] <Mousk4r1> may i use other repos except of sun?[04:57:14] <synegy34> im not sure on that whole thing ... i think oracle is only doing that pay for updates thing with Solaris 10 ... not sure if that effects OSOL[04:57:18] <Mousk4r1> in osol?[04:58:09] <kukhuvud> i'm pretty sure you can use other repos[04:58:38] <smyth_rj1> you can use other repos[04:59:49] <smyth_rj1> I use a multimedia one at http://ips.homeunix.com:10906/[05:00:06] <kukhuvud> yeap, that's a useful one[05:00:45] <smyth_rj1> and thats just run by some dude's[05:01:12] <smyth_rj1> you can setup a local one too for internal use by multiple machines[05:01:19] <Mousk4r1> tnx[05:01:33] <smyth_rj1> np[05:01:55] <kukhuvud> local ones come in handy if you're doing multiple deployments[05:02:55] 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Use that, get the source, compile it, use it. 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As I know since Oracle take ower that is not even selled anymore, but included in some contracts etc[11:37:36] <devians> urgh. i am so sick of permission problems with opensolaris :([11:37:59] <nikolam> And who will make newer applications for think you dont get updates to wide audience, anyway[11:38:08] <nikolam> thing[11:38:26] <x58> nikolam: They have extra repo's for ipkg that include updates, it requires you pay for support.[11:38:46] <x58> I don't use them myself, but they exist, and can still be paid for.[11:38:53] <x58> devians: What permission problem?[11:38:55] <nikolam> x58, Again that was the case last year. As I know they simply dont sell it now.[11:39:20] <nikolam> x58, and franly, will you buy it for your laptop..[11:39:29] <devians> just endless issues with trying to get the permissions setup correctly so the behaviour of the system is acceptible. im right smack bang in the middle of acl hell.[11:40:04] <devians> i have 4 users, one zfs filesystem, a very specific behaviour needed, and i seem to be fighting osol every step of the way.[11:40:36] <devians> wait, its not even that complex, its only 3 users come to think of it.[11:41:08] <x58> devians: Why is osol fighting you? Is it because you don't understand ACL's?[11:41:17] <devians> more than likely[11:43:23] *** Teknix has quit IRC[11:43:55] *** Teknix has joined #opensolaris[11:44:48] <devians> x58, essentially i need this. my user needs to be able to do anything to this share, so full perms. i have another user, monsoon, that needs to be able to do anything to a small folder structure in this share. everyone else needs to be able to read and execute this share.[11:45:27] <devians> the biggest issue is when files get created, they just dont have the right setup.[11:46:10] <devians> i'm also suspicious that the acl's in my root zfs fs are broken. i should just reset everything and start again, probably getting problems from entropy at this point.[11:47:34] <Stric> you have aclmode=passthrough and aclinherit=passthrough?[11:47:37] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[11:48:03] <devians> aclmode is groupmask atm, that was my first port to check actually. i think it probably should be passthrough[11:48:09] <Stric> and then put the correct acl inheritance entries[11:49:29] <Stric> it needs to be passthrough for acls to fully do their work, instead of using umask etc to restrict stuff[11:49:47] <x58> devians: Make your acl's inheritable, that way new files and folders automatically get those acl's[11:50:05] <devians> whats the easiest way to strip a directory structure of its acls and reduce it to the equivalent of 755[11:50:22] <devians> i seem to have 11 ace's on every folder... somehow.[11:51:33] <Stric> devians: chmod -R A- dir[11:51:54] <Stric> devians: seems like you need to skim through chmod(1) again ;)[11:52:08] <devians> im doing so at the moment.[11:52:58] *** m171c0 has quit IRC[11:53:11] <devians> also, everyone keeps saying that cifs is broken horribly in 0906 but apart from acl stuff i've had no issues. is there a page somewhere that documents exactly why its meant to be so horribly broken?[11:53:26] <Stric> I believe it stops working every now and then[11:53:44] *** wdp has quit IRC[11:55:06] *** Garen_ has joined #opensolaris[11:56:15] <devians> well, will have at these acl's the instant its finished going through and checking some files.[11:57:34] *** Garen has quit IRC[11:57:46] <x58> devians: cifs can lock up, and it becomes unresponsive and since it is in the kernel there is no way to kill it and restart.[11:58:07] *** tg has quit IRC[11:58:08] <x58> It requires a reboot of the whole system.[11:58:38] <devians> ah, bummer. thats not such a huge deal here at the moment. if it becomes a problem i'll switch to dev. hopefully by then 1003 will be out.[12:00:05] *** dalibor has quit IRC[12:01:30] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[12:02:05] <RoyK> x58: huh - are there any known bugs with that?[12:05:07] *** plat- has quit IRC[12:05:42] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[12:06:32] *** m171c0 has joined #opensolaris[12:07:05] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[12:07:43] *** sstallion_ has joined #opensolaris[12:08:09] *** sstallion has quit IRC[12:11:07] *** sstallion__ has joined #opensolaris[12:11:07] *** sstallion_ has quit IRC[12:12:50] *** sstallion_ has joined #opensolaris[12:12:51] *** sstallion__ has quit IRC[12:13:34] <zedrich> so how would you guys setup zfs volume replication between 2 hosts[12:13:50] *** sstallion__ has joined #opensolaris[12:13:51] *** sstallion_ has quit IRC[12:13:58] <CosmicDJ> I guess I'd take a closer look @ avs (availability suite)[12:14:30] <zedrich> naw with send / recv[12:14:35] <zedrich> having issues with avl[12:15:14] *** nanase has quit IRC[12:16:43] <x58> RoyK: With what?[12:17:12] <x58> RoyK: Cifs? Yes, it was fixed in the /dev right after /release. Some of us don't want to upgrade to /dev though and as such have to wait.[12:19:21] *** tg has quit IRC[12:20:33] <RoyK> k[12:21:20] <x58> I've seen the locking up happen.[12:21:42] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[12:25:11] *** logic855 has quit IRC[12:26:51] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[12:26:59] *** logic is now known as logic855[12:29:52] <nikolam> Does anyone use smart card readers on osol?[12:30:28] <eklof> I had horrible problem with cifs and lockups, however after changing from bge to e1000g, it worked fine. So maybe there are bugs but there are also something strange in the bge-driver in 2009.06[12:31:26] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[12:35:35] <nikolam> eklof, so you updated 0906 or used it like it came, on cd/ips without updates?[12:36:07] <eklof> I ran 2009.6 for a while but changed to /dev when dedupe came.[12:36:52] <eklof> I will run 2010.X until encryption/BP rewrite comes along as well.[12:36:59] *** tg has quit IRC[12:37:03] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[12:37:34] <eklof> I hope it will be this year but who knows :)[12:41:18] *** gebi has quit IRC[12:41:22] <nikolam> dedup came in 128. what you are running right now? eklof[12:42:16] <nikolam> to me it was truely minefield through /dev, after 127 and before.[12:42:17] *** jmcp_ has joined #opensolaris[12:42:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jmcp_[12:42:33] *** jmcp_ is now known as jmcp_laptop[12:42:54] *** tg has quit IRC[12:43:22] <eklof> nikolam: i run the latest dev[12:43:55] <eklof> have had one kernel crash-type of thing when I needed to reinstall but otherwise worked fine.[12:44:42] <nikolam> eklof, do you use it as desktop, home server, in the office, for development, storage or general use?[12:44:56] <eklof> nas-server at home.[12:45:35] *** Bateau has quit IRC[12:46:01] <nikolam> so atually you do your everyday work, etc on other system/os eklof[12:46:01] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[12:47:31] <eklof> yes[12:47:41] <eklof> another real unix, OSX :)[12:48:58] <nikolam> aha I see, so you are on PC with osx or on Mac eklof ,)[12:50:25] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[12:51:45] *** sstallion__ has quit IRC[12:53:17] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[12:56:39] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[12:57:23] *** jayne has quit IRC[12:57:41] *** jayne has joined #opensolaris[13:00:01] *** tg has quit IRC[13:01:08] *** hsp has quit IRC[13:01:24] <RoyK> I see topic's changed (ON 136) - when will IPS 135 be out?[13:02:22] <eklof> RoyK: probably not in a while. 134 is the release stuff for 2010.X[13:02:25] *** ivo_ is now known as ivos_sister[13:02:47] <eklof> but it would be named 134a/b/c or whatever since they need to fix some critical bugs i've heard[13:03:23] <nikolam> I would like to see 134a , 134b[13:03:27] <nikolam> in ips[13:04:17] <eklof> i think only the release version will be there, not the intermediate work from 134->release[13:04:25] <eklof> but i donät know[13:07:22] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[13:08:43] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[13:11:40] <jmcp_laptop> nikolam: you won't see the 134{a,b,c,...} in /dev[13:11:51] *** jayne has quit IRC[13:11:55] <jmcp_laptop> didn't I go over this yesterday?[13:12:06] <RoyK> erm - why?[13:12:09] *** jayne has joined #opensolaris[13:12:53] <jmcp_laptop> RoyK: because they are builds along the way to achieving a Release[13:13:12] <jmcp_laptop> you don't expect to see s10 u9 builds 1 to (release -1)[13:13:25] <jmcp_laptop> and likewise, you shouldn't expect to see 134{abcd.....}[13:14:53] <nikolam> jmcp_laptop, yep, yesterday too. I have no answer, how to test if it is working with intel graphics without freezing, before release come.[13:15:02] <eklof> jmcp_laptop: yes you did, perhaps RoyK missed it :)[13:15:15] <jmcp_laptop> nikolam: I'm sorry, I still have no answer for you[13:15:27] <nikolam> thanks jmcp_laptop[13:15:52] <jmcp_laptop> nikolam: though perhaps you might want to set up the deadman timer in your system (look for "snooping" in the Tunable Parameters Guide)[13:16:45] <jmcp_laptop> so if you have an actual hard hang, after configurable seconds of stalling, the deadman timer will kick the system and dump core -this will help with the bug that you logged[13:16:51] <jmcp_laptop> btw, what's the id for that bug?[13:17:32] <nikolam> hm, will see it right away jmcp_laptop , moment to find id[13:17:44] <hawk> No trick to make marvell88sx driver work with 88sx7042 (pci11ab,7042), I take it, it's simply unsupported?[13:20:16] *** tg has quit IRC[13:20:58] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[13:21:24] <eklof> What does this mean btw: "Always do a reconfigure reboot (e.g. add -r to the boot flags)."[13:21:41] <eklof> That's a workaround for a bug.[13:22:56] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[13:24:16] <Stric> That you should add -r to the boot flags[13:24:29] <Stric> (or: touch /reconfigure and then reboot)[13:25:14] <eklof> Yes but that doesn't mean anything to me. is that a option to reboot, reboot -r ?[13:25:14] <jmcp_laptop> eklof: the -r or /reconfigure option forces the kernel to reprobe your attached hardware, so you update the system's idea of what is installed[13:25:43] <eklof> I see, and that is not default behaviour?[13:25:54] <eklof> Seems a bit strange.[13:26:01] <tsoome> tbh, it does trigger devfsadm to be run at boot;)[13:27:30] <jmcp_laptop> eklof: man reboot[13:28:06] <eklof> yes will check it out[13:28:09] *** devians has left #opensolaris[13:28:24] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[13:28:25] *** devians has left #opensolaris[13:28:44] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[13:29:32] <Stric> eklof: If you haven't changed anything, and let's say you have a few thousand disks attached, re-probing everything will just make stuff slower..[13:29:59] <eklof> That's a lot of disks, and in that case i might agree :)[13:30:12] <Stric> (or similar sized system)[13:37:24] <devians> with chmod, can i change an acl, say group allow line, without specifying An= ? cos that n changes for folders that have extra acls...[13:37:57] *** ruomad has joined #opensolaris[13:39:25] <Stric> So you have a mixed set of acls, and you want to change a specific one on all of them?[13:39:33] <Stric> Maybe delete it from all, then add it on all?[13:42:01] *** jmcp_laptop has quit IRC[13:42:23] *** panos has quit IRC[13:43:06] *** m171c0 has quit IRC[13:43:37] *** jmcp_laptop has joined #opensolaris[13:45:38] *** RoyK has quit IRC[13:47:21] *** motas has joined #opensolaris[13:47:37] <devians> Stric: maybe im just not understanding, but say i want to change the line for group@ deny on everything in a dir, and some subdirs have nontrivial acl's for certain things, ie a specific user that has a modify set. because of the extra rule, all other acls get pushed down a notch on the indexes, so i cant just go chmod A3=group@::deny directory, since A3 isnt always the group@ deny line...[13:48:37] *** jmcp_laptop has quit IRC[13:49:01] <Stric> Then can you remove the thing you want to change, and add the new one?[13:49:18] <devians> im unsure as to the syntax for what you're describing[13:49:29] <Stric> Then go back to chmod(1) ;)[13:49:42] <Stric> Remove an ACL. Add an ACL.[13:49:44] <devians> i have, i dont get it. hence im asking here.[13:50:10] <Stric> Remove by ACL content, not by ACL number[13:51:17] <devians> see the man says chmod A-group@::deny directory. but that fails, saying acl entry doesnt exist[13:51:25] <Stric> chmod [options] A-acl_specification file ...[13:51:53] <Stric> Does ls say you have an entry 'group@::deny' ?[13:52:01] <Stric> (whole line, exact match)[13:53:03] <devians> ah, i see, i have to be very specific it seems.[13:53:32] <devians> hrm. dunno, i think this whole moving index thing smells of bad implementation, but maybe im missing the point[13:53:32] <Stric> If you have 10 lines with group@something::deny, what would it remove if your method would work[13:54:04] <Stric> The index works, but it's not a unique index over any random amount of files[13:54:07] *** motas has quit IRC[13:54:16] <Stric> It's a unique index within one file/directory[13:54:32] <Stric> So you can list them, then "let's kill line 4"[13:55:02] <Stric> If you want a unique identifier to a specific acl, use the acl itself.[13:55:27] <devians> does the order matter for implementation? ie if my allow line is 1 but my deny line is 2, will that break things?[13:56:35] *** Annaa has joined #opensolaris[13:56:35] <Annaa> http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270381977 do my breasts look to big?[13:56:37] *** Annaa has left #opensolaris[13:57:03] <taemun> sigh spammers[13:57:53] <devians> also, if i dont explicitly deny or allow something, does it just deny it?[13:58:02] <devians> if so, whats the point of deny and allow lines?[14:00:12] <Stric> devians: http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/ACLs[14:00:19] <Stric> devians: zfs uses nfsv4 acl model[14:00:29] *** motas has joined #opensolaris[14:00:55] *** jenky has joined #opensolaris[14:00:58] <jenky> hi[14:01:15] *** sstallion has quit IRC[14:01:33] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[14:04:48] <devians> Stric, that page just deals with mapping?[14:05:41] <Stric> and ACL models[14:06:05] *** motas has quit IRC[14:09:15] *** motas has joined #opensolaris[14:13:23] <Stric> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nfsv4/current/msg02792.html has lots of nice links with info about the acl evaluation etc problems ;)[14:14:43] <Stric> http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/rfc/draft-ietf-nfsv4-acl-mapping-03.txt has the executive summary in section 2[14:14:52] <devians> urgh, so over acl's. just trying to get 755 going is a frigging nightmare[14:15:01] <Stric> First match counts.[14:15:34] <Stric> If you want to read, it checks the ACE's and the first entry that has you and 'r', you get allow or deny, depending on what that ACE says[14:16:08] <Stric> chmod A- yourfile and you'll get ACLs matching standard unix rights.[14:16:28] <Stric> cleaning out everything else[14:16:34] *** pizzadliveryboi has quit IRC[14:18:19] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC[14:19:31] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[14:19:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[14:23:43] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[14:27:25] *** motas has quit IRC[14:28:21] *** ___Trullo is now known as _Trullo[14:29:46] *** ozux has quit IRC[14:32:09] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[14:37:22] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[14:41:12] *** g4lt-mordant has joined #opensolaris[14:41:16] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[14:41:39] <CosmicDJ> devians: what's your acl problem btw? you shared a dir via cifs and now local/nfs permissions are b0rked?[14:41:56] *** synegy34 has joined #opensolaris[14:42:36] <devians> no its just ongoing issues with making sure the right things have access to the right things etc[14:42:56] <devians> see in smb id just force it to create shit with the right owner and group but i cant do that with cifs[14:44:40] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[14:45:10] *** jenky has quit IRC[14:48:40] *** ozux has quit IRC[14:54:55] *** sstallion has quit IRC[15:00:32] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[15:01:40] *** RoyK is now known as Guest47161[15:01:53] *** kpt-pejsek has joined #opensolaris[15:02:33] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[15:03:06] *** Guest47161 has left #opensolaris[15:03:20] *** RoyK^ is now known as RoyKe[15:03:25] *** RoyKe is now known as RoyK^[15:03:31] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:03:31] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:04:59] *** dacek has joined #opensolaris[15:08:03] <devians> Stric, now files are getting created with null acl, why would that be?[15:09:00] *** javashin has quit IRC[15:10:13] <Stric> devians: because your ACEs combined with aclmode and aclinherit values produced that result[15:10:22] *** RoyK^ has quit IRC[15:10:32] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[15:11:18] *** _RoyK has joined #opensolaris[15:12:39] <devians> well aclmode and aclinherit are passthrough, and im not sure exactly how my ace's affect the create file permissions[15:12:54] <Stric> inherit flags[15:13:19] <devians> pardon?[15:13:42] <Stric> man -s 1 chmod[15:13:47] <Stric> search for file_inherit and read thereabout[15:14:02] *** _RoyK is now known as RoyK^[15:15:11] <Stric> ACL inherit ACEs on directories specify what ACLs new files/directories will get when created[15:15:33] <devians> ok so my acl's need to be setup to inherit. is there an easy way to modify my acls on this frigging huge directory structure to do that?[15:16:19] <Stric> If you want to add the same rule to all dirs, then yes[15:16:27] <Stric> If you want random rules, then manual labour is the way to go[15:16:56] <Stric> It's not like ZFS can read your mind, you need to tell it how you want stuff[15:17:29] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[15:17:37] <devians> im not asking it to read my mind, im looking for a way to get it to set inheritance on for everything without having to go through 50 thousand commands to mess with the friggin acl stack[15:17:38] <Stric> If you want "nonstandard" permissions on all newly created dirs/files, then you need to add those rules to directories...[15:18:10] <devians> whoever designed this system was a masochist, i swear.[15:18:25] <Stric> Without this system, you would be totally screwed.[15:18:43] <Stric> And it's not hard, it's just that you don't seem to have understood how it works[15:18:46] <devians> i dunno, its working a helluva lot worse than like, 3 lines in smb.conf[15:19:03] <Stric> Which is a very blunt tool[15:19:37] <Stric> For each directory you want "special rules": Add an ACE that describes how you want it.[15:19:38] <Stric> Done.[15:19:57] <devians> heres the thing right, you say i need to explictly set inheritance on every single file and folder in this fucking huge directory structure. so thats 6 rules or more, with random indexes, that i have to somehow add fd flags to.[15:20:20] <Stric> In your case, it seems to be user:blah:rwx:fd:allow or so[15:20:34] <Stric> Ignore indexes. Just add.[15:20:51] <devians> but theres rules that need overwriting...[15:21:08] <Stric> Show an example of one you say you need to modify[15:21:12] <Stric> (to pastebin)[15:21:36] <Stric> And then another, that looks different but has the same info[15:23:39] <devians> http://paste2.org/p/756301[15:27:09] <Stric> Apart from regular unix behaviour, what you want is to add full rights to monsoon? Then just do that[15:28:12] *** sstallion_ has joined #opensolaris[15:28:12] *** sstallion has quit IRC[15:28:16] <devians> no...[15:29:01] <devians> i want new files to have permissions when they're created. right now, everything thats created gets 000 permissions, or full set to the owner and thats it.[15:29:58] <Stric> so in 'directory' (that specific example), if you do 'touch blah', what exact ACLs does it get?[15:30:25] <Stric> and your aclmode and aclinherit are =passthrough ?[15:31:21] <devians> they are, and if i do touch test in bash it gets random permissions, if i create it through cifs (same user) it gets full set to the owner name and thats it.[15:31:39] <Stric> "random permissions"[15:31:58] <devians> well they're certainly not inherited[15:32:15] <Stric> I'm talking specifics here, since the devil is in the details.. and you say "well, it gets random permissions"[15:32:33] <CosmicDJ> devians: I had problems with cifs and acls as well and this link was really helpful http://sigtar.com/2009/02/14/opensolaris-cifssmb-server-configuring-acls-on-sh[15:32:36] <CosmicDJ> ares/[15:32:38] <CosmicDJ> oops[15:32:55] <CosmicDJ> http://sigtar.com/2009/02/14/opensolaris-cifssmb-server-configuring-acls-on-shares/[15:32:59] <CosmicDJ> this one[15:33:01] <devians> well thats what it gets. everything is getting something along the lines of 755, the file i created with touch got 522[15:33:12] <devians> i assume thats a umask thing[15:33:33] <Stric> paste the output instead of translating[15:33:51] <Stric> since unix octal bits can't express all of the ACLs[15:35:19] *** rmorse has joined #opensolaris[15:35:29] <devians> http://paste2.org/p/756320[15:35:54] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[15:36:31] <devians> CosmicDJ: i dont know where or how we got so complicated, all i wanted was a way of adding fd to everything without 12 different chmod commands.[15:36:37] *** [1]kimc has quit IRC[15:37:01] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[15:37:28] *** sstallion_ has quit IRC[15:37:43] <Stric> Since there is no "only modify the inheritance flags", you need to either read in and modify the ACLs or just set new ones to whatever you want to have[15:38:27] <Stric> and the file you just created looks just fine.. 644 (the default, but you don't seem to be up to par on translating to those octal bits, so maybe you should avoid it)[15:38:41] *** jdparker has joined #opensolaris[15:38:45] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[15:38:48] <devians> yes but wouldnt i have to do something like chmod A-owner/group/everybody:whatever:allow/deny and A+owner/group/everybody:fd:allow/deny (hence 12 lines)[15:38:59] <Stric> the one through cifs looks a bit different though. can't say anything about that, sorry. but since you don't have any acl inheritance flags, ...[15:39:03] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[15:39:14] *** kimc has quit IRC[15:39:24] <devians> Stric: its 1am here, cut me some slack dude, im tired and at my whits end after fucking about with this thing all day[15:39:31] <RoyK^> is it possible to remove zil devices yet?[15:39:32] <Stric> But get back to basics. What exactly do you want to have in the end?[15:39:44] <Stric> RoyK^: in snv125+ or so, with upgraded pool version, yes.[15:39:59] <Stric> devians: Do you want "regular unix behaviour, plus user monsoon having full permissions" ?[15:40:40] <devians> for fucks sake, its like being on a merry go round. i just want newly created files to have the correct permissions. correct permissions could be construed as inheriting from the parent directory.[15:41:21] <Stric> Was my statement true or false?[15:41:26] <devians> false[15:42:43] *** chendy has quit IRC[15:42:52] <devians> i want exactly what i just said. i want newly created files to have permissions, inherited from the parent directory.[15:42:53] *** Bateau has quit IRC[15:42:56] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[15:43:25] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[15:43:30] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[15:43:30] <Stric> One way of doing that is to set one dir as you want it, and copy everything over into that. Or set the same on all directories, which is easily scripted.[15:44:08] <Stric> Unfortunately, (as I've said before as well), chmod doesn't have any way of only modifying the inherit flags.[15:44:19] <DerSaidin> chmod -fR A=user:USERNAMEHRE:rwxpdDaARWcCos:fd-----:allow PATHHERE[15:44:20] <devians> so after half an hour, the answer to my original question is no, there is no easy way to add inheritance flags.[15:44:34] <DerSaidin> = will set the acl[15:44:44] <Stric> devians: Not _only_ add inheritance flags.[15:44:58] <devians> yes but the way chmod is setup you have to add and remove every frigging rule[15:45:05] <DerSaidin> you can do 1= to set a specific one[15:45:05] <devians> theres no easy way to just modify[15:45:18] <Stric> Correct.[15:45:19] <devians> you cant, because you cannot rely on the index to be accurate[15:45:37] <Stric> That's why I asked what you were actually trying to have as end result, so you can run a single chmod and fix all of it.[15:46:01] <Stric> (ok, two)[15:46:03] <devians> well i answered you repeatedly... im not sure what you want from me?[15:46:09] <DerSaidin> devians: if you do A= with no number it cleas them all, and sets it to just the one you gave it[15:46:24] <Stric> devians: Because you're just replying "I want what I have + inherit"[15:46:37] <Stric> and since there's no easy way of doing just +inherit, then ...[15:47:02] <DerSaidin> ACLs don't work on flags, they work on entries[15:47:03] *** SnowMann has joined #opensolaris[15:47:06] <SnowMann> hi[15:47:20] <devians> this is potentially the worst engineered system i've seen in a while.[15:47:43] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[15:47:48] <Stric> I disagree. One missing feature that seems to bite your specific use case though.[15:48:04] *** panos has joined #opensolaris[15:48:14] <DerSaidin> devians: it worked fine for me, a few seconds ago to test that command I said earlier[15:48:44] <devians> DerSaidin: that command you used earlier would not work for me[15:48:59] <devians> its 'solving' the wrong problem[15:49:05] <Stric> DerSaidin: The question isn't how to set an acl. it's how to modify acls that are in different index positions.[15:49:33] <DerSaidin> I'd say clear them and set them again, using the A= I suggested[15:49:38] <devians> Stric: its a badly engineered system if to modify a general behaviour i have to destroy a permission setup and recreate it. broken, qed.[15:49:58] <Stric> DerSaidin: I've said that as well. devians doesn't want to.[15:50:38] <DerSaidin> ok then[15:50:55] *** dalibor has quit IRC[15:51:29] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[15:52:33] *** chendy has quit IRC[15:52:42] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[15:53:36] <devians> its not a case of dont want to, its me saying that its a clearly broken system if you spend hours setting up correct permissions, realise that waaaaaay back in the beginning you missed 2 characters, so you have to start again, rather than just add them.[15:53:37] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[15:55:12] <devians> why wont it let me run this pfexec /usr/bin/chmod -R A=owner@:full_set:fd:allow,group@:read_set,execute:fd:allow,everybody@:read_set,execute:fd:allow /storage/media[15:56:04] <devians> hrm, maybe its / not ,[15:56:26] <devians> nope[15:56:59] *** dacek has quit IRC[15:58:11] <DerSaidin> I don't think you can do multiple entries at once[15:59:19] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[15:59:27] <devians> DerSaidin: apparently you can http://sigtar.com/2009/02/14/opensolaris-cifssmb-server-configuring-acls-on-shares/[16:00:06] <Stric> long names are separated by /[16:00:10] <Stric> so read_set/execute[16:00:39] <Stric> and it's everyone, not everybody[16:01:27] <devians> ah, good spot Stric, thanks. like i said, its late and im starting to miss things.[16:02:33] *** chendy has quit IRC[16:04:08] *** PatrickS_ has quit IRC[16:04:28] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[16:05:55] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[16:06:04] <Stric> devians: at that stage, maybe it's better to head to bed and try again with a fresh brain ;)[16:07:51] <devians> i think i have it working right now Stric, after recreating all my permissions[16:07:56] *** jollyd has quit IRC[16:08:27] <devians> one last question, if i create files in the cli, ie using touch, they get extra acls rather than inheriting. i assume theres some sort of mask happening here?[16:08:45] <Stric> if aclmask=passthrough, then umask shouldn't matter[16:09:09] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[16:09:21] *** twilling has quit IRC[16:09:26] <Stric> err. aclmode[16:09:33] *** artabros has quit IRC[16:09:54] <Stric> both aclmode and aclinherit should be passthrough if you want a "pure acl system"[16:10:07] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[16:11:27] <devians> well they are, and it works fine for files created by cifs, but not by me in bash?[16:11:48] <devians> ie files made by me in bash get the inherited acls but they also get a pile of other ones[16:11:55] <Stric> paste them[16:12:06] <Stric> is it same lines with and without :fdi ?[16:12:42] <Stric> seems like sol10 at least is splitting an :fd into :fdi + :- when creating new dirs.. which is the same end result..[16:13:50] <devians> http://paste2.org/p/756368[16:14:26] <Stric> http://pastebin.com/XLimRxqd[16:14:40] <devians> i should note that the inherited lines are not verbatim, ie owner@ has rwxp, its just been moved lower to the other rules[16:14:59] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[16:15:36] <skeeziks> Hmm, I just installed the latest dev preview for sparc (osol-dev-134-ai-sparc.iso) and then boot into my fresh install. Then, snv_111 loads and then reports "zfs_parse_bootfs: error 48" (ENOTSUP, I believe) because the ZFS filesystem on disk is too new! Shouldn't it boot snv_134?[16:16:09] <Stric> skeeziks: so where did the snv111 come from?[16:16:32] <skeeziks> I don't know, this Ultra 10 previously had Solaris 10, and the installer did boot snv_134.[16:16:49] <Stric> snv111(b actually) is 2009.06[16:17:01] *** chendy__ has joined #opensolaris[16:17:24] <Stric> which is /release[16:17:41] <skeeziks> Hm, perhaps the autoinstaller refers to /release rather than /dev...[16:17:48] *** chendy has quit IRC[16:17:50] <Stric> so maybe the install manifest, wherever that is coming from (only used AI once), gets the /release one[16:17:53] *** chendy__ is now known as chendy[16:18:24] <Stric> devians: seems like the osol you're using has some extra stuff that my sol10 doesn't have.. don't have any osol handy right now, so I can't check...[16:18:54] <devians> fair enough. also, can i confirm. the i flag, what exactly does that do?[16:19:32] <Stric> i is "this is an inherit rule only, don't use it for checking access"[16:19:54] <devians> ah, cool. makes sense[16:20:02] *** chendy_ has quit IRC[16:20:33] <skeeziks> steven43126: Do you know off the top of your head where that manifest is stored on a Autoinstall CD? I'm looking now but if it's as simple as just changing the repo...[16:21:05] <skeeziks> Sorry, wrong s-name[16:21:11] <skeeziks> Stric: above is for you[16:22:19] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[16:22:22] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[16:23:16] <Stric> skeeziks: nope. don't remember.[16:23:32] *** chendy has quit IRC[16:23:49] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[16:23:56] <Stric> smyth_rj1: explain bootable ai on sparc[16:23:59] <Stric> err[16:24:07] <Stric> smrt: explain bootable ai on sparc[16:24:07] <smrt> You want to use an AI disc matching the version of the OS you are trying to install. For dev (and local mirrors), you will need to use a custom manifest: "boot cdrom - install prompt". There is a /dev manifest at http://www.greenviolet.net/ai/dev for your use. See also: ai, bootable ai[16:26:31] *** ant has quit IRC[16:27:06] *** twilling has quit IRC[16:29:10] <skeeziks> Aaaah, neat! Thanks.[16:30:37] *** RoyK^ is now known as RoyK[16:30:55] *** RoyK^ has joined #opensolaris[16:31:53] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[16:33:23] *** sventhomsen has joined #opensolaris[16:33:32] *** sventhomsen has left #opensolaris[16:35:34] *** chendy has quit IRC[16:35:47] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[16:37:23] *** leito has quit IRC[16:38:30] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[16:39:10] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[16:45:10] *** tomw has joined #opensolaris[16:45:42] *** tomw has left #opensolaris[16:48:00] *** kmays has joined #opensolaris[16:49:00] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[16:49:17] <kukhuvud> <devians> whats the easiest way to strip a directory structure of its acls and reduce it to the equivalent of 755[16:49:17] <kukhuvud> <Stric> devians: chmod -R A- dir[16:49:29] <kukhuvud> that in itself is really good to know :)[16:49:32] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[16:49:33] <devians> way behind duder :P[16:49:43] * kukhuvud just woke up[16:49:45] <kukhuvud> ;)[16:50:31] <kukhuvud> i am struggling with doing a simple share as well, and i think that i've b0rked the acl's[16:50:49] <kukhuvud> and was hoping to find a way to reset everything and try again :)[17:03:24] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[17:04:41] *** niq has quit IRC[17:06:33] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC[17:10:57] *** g4lt-mordant has joined #opensolaris[17:11:28] *** ivos_sister is now known as ivo_[17:17:28] *** ozux has quit IRC[17:22:10] <kukhuvud> what's the command and switch again for viewing the acl's again?[17:22:30] <kukhuvud> i thought it was ls -something, but i'm not seeing it in the man page[17:22:41] <DerSaidin> V or v[17:22:42] <longcat> /usr/bin/ls -v[17:23:06] <kukhuvud> thank you[17:23:47] *** SnowMann has left #opensolaris[17:24:16] <kukhuvud> is there somewhere where it's described what the output from ls -V means?[17:24:19] <kukhuvud> owner@:rwxp---A-W-Co-:-------:allow[17:24:25] <kukhuvud> seems cryptic to me[17:24:31] 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DIY case ;D *wanders off*[19:51:28] <jamesd2> victori, how many drives? 24? 48?[19:51:33] <eviljames> http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4500/[19:51:33] *** relektronic has joined #opensolaris[19:51:35] <eviljames> ;)[19:51:47] <victori> jamesd2 8 would be fine[19:51:49] <victori> hah[19:52:04] <jamesd2> ah any ol mid tower would be enough....[19:52:32] <victori> ya but those mid towers don't have hd swap bays[19:52:52] <jamesd2> the hardpart is finding a supported sata and nic interfaces on board that support more than 8GB of ram.. zfs loves ram even if you don't max out today... 4 years from now the ram will be on ebay cheap[19:53:35] <nevdull> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0310583[19:53:40] <jamesd2> victori, if this is home dont worry about it... do you really want to take a chance of blowing up the motherboard/controller to save 15 minutes of downtime?[19:53:50] <victori> this is home[19:54:38] <victori> converting the dvd, home movies, music to drives .. apple tv w/ xbmc is quite nice[19:56:29] <victori> nevdull thanks[19:56:37] <jamesd2> so any ol mid tower, or perhaps a full tower.. dont bother with hotswap, if you value your system... you wont do hotswap once you have heard a horror story or two.[19:56:57] <victori> not for hotswap, just easy access to drives[19:57:34] <jamesd2> oh you want to pull a drive.. and not seat it properly and develop errors and eventual data loss.. that sounds great.[19:58:04] <victori> eh?[19:58:17] <victori> something with bays that you can access without opening the case[19:58:24] <victori> it is seated firmly[19:58:27] <Cobi_> Does the opensolaris xpv kernel support Xen's PVUSB as a domU?[19:58:58] <causality> victori sharkoon.com[19:59:31] <jamesd2> victori, this time... but its just openning your self up to issues... and you get to pay more for the previledge... but i may just be moody... but it just doesn't sound like a win....[20:00:12] *** relektronic has quit IRC[20:01:30] <victori> i 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able to get XFCE 4.6.x to build on OpenSolaris lately, I've been searching but haven't seen anything yet?[22:13:23] <crazed> what prevents openssh from allowing root logins on osol even with PermitRootLogin set to yes?[22:14:06] <zmisc> I'm sure people have come and asked about this but I see next to nill documentation...[22:14:21] <tsoome> its role. you cant login with role. you dont wanna login as root anyhow.[22:14:22] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[22:14:23] <zmisc> probably isn't much of a concern, which I can understand[22:14:32] <Meths> lewellyn: Does your spec file need to actually call gmake rather than make? (As you have BuildRequires SUNWgmake)[22:21:10] <zmisc> heh 4.3 only[22:23:05] <crazed> tsoome: i know i don't *want* to login as root, it's just a pain since i'm trying to setup open-ha and it seems to fail to install[22:23:24] <crazed> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1856845 <-- tries to ssh according to logs as root[22:23:56] <tsoome> login as user with primary administrator profile and use pfexec or su[22:24:18] <crazed> i know but this is built into the scinstall command :([22:25:01] <tsoome> ah i see[22:25:33] <tsoome> you need to convert root to normal user then[22:26:49] *** charlieS has quit IRC[22:27:57] *** nachox has quit IRC[22:28:01] *** charlieS has joined #opensolaris[22:33:39] *** system5__ has joined #opensolaris[22:35:02] <zmisc> Are there pretty big issues causing XFCE 4.6 not to build on OSol?[22:35:07] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[22:36:15] <system5__> download Belenix or StormOS[22:36:17] <tsoome> you are building one, so you tell;)[22:36:23] <system5__> and you will have OpenSolaris with XFCE[22:36:47] <Meths> zmisc: search the desktop-discuss archives?[22:37:16] <zmisc> system5__: I was looking at StormOS, the APT+ZFS integration looks very interesting[22:37:18] <system5__> check this: xfce plus compiz on belenix[22:37:20] <system5__> http://www.belenix.org/files/belenix_xfcecube.jpg[22:37:54] <system5__> the APT+ZFS integration is originally from Nexenta[22:38:11] <zmisc> system5__: I figured that seeings StormOS is based on Nexenta[22:38:21] <system5__> this link explains how apt-clone works on Nexenta:[22:38:23] <system5__> http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2008/12/magical-apt-clone-broken-system.html[22:38:42] <system5__> I'm tempted to switch from Sun's OpenSolaris INdiana to Nexenta just for the better Postfix integration[22:39:00] <zmisc> I was just curious if it was possible to use XFCE on standard OSol[22:39:04] <system5__> anyway, check out Belenix's web site:[22:39:06] <system5__> http://www.belenix.org/[22:39:15] <system5__> I be their XFCE package can be installed on Osol[22:39:34] <system5__> I've been wanting to make an XFCE Indiana (like Korona for KDE) but haven't had the time[22:39:45] <system5__> zmisc, do you like fluxbox? I have instructions for how to build on Indiana[22:41:02] <system5__> here is two links that show how to build fluxbox, xfce should work the same way, maybe create a new beadm boot environment first, and boot into that in case the build or modifications destroy or cripple your system by accident you can boot into the old boot environment[22:41:08] *** W0rmDrink has joined #opensolaris[22:41:14] <zmisc> system5__: I've used flux quite a bit.. not much anymore these days[22:41:21] <system5__> link #1 for how to build fluxbox:[22:41:24] <system5__> http://blog.cabaretvoltaire.net/2009/04/opensolaris-part-01-porting-software.html[22:41:39] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[22:41:41] <zmisc> system5__: I wonder how StormOS has gotten XFCE to build correctly (not sure which version they use, but I'm assuming 4.6.x)[22:41:55] <system5__> link #2 for how to build fluxbox:[22:41:58] <system5__> http://blog.cabaretvoltaire.net/2009/04/opensolaris-part-02-porting-fluxbox.html[22:42:09] <zmisc> thank you system5__[22:42:15] <system5__> I need to take a shower and go to work, I"m running very late[22:42:21] *** Calibellus has quit IRC[22:42:24] <system5__> but try building and installing fluxbox in a new beadm boot environment[22:42:27] <system5__> man beadm[22:42:34] <system5__> create the new boot environment[22:42:38] <system5__> set up everything[22:42:40] <system5__> build fluxbox[22:42:50] <system5__> if you break your system boot into the old boot environment[22:42:54] <system5__> you can't do that on Linux[22:42:55] <system5__> :-)[22:43:04] <system5__> nothing lost but time if you faile[22:43:45] <zmisc> true, especially if I can get some packages made for others to enjoy[22:44:01] <system5__> the problem with OpenSolaris is getting packages for all the right GNU tools to be in the parts of the file system heirarchy that the software expects them to be in[22:44:12] <system5__> like if you just do "sudo su" or "pfexec su" your $PATH is wrong[22:44:17] <system5__> there are no GNU tools in the path[22:44:20] <system5__> when you do echo $PATH[22:44:30] <system5__> if you do "sudo su - root" or "pfexec su - root"[22:44:38] <system5__> then the GNU tools are in the $path[22:44:59] <system5__> 99% of builds that fail on Solaris or OpenSolaris fail because the GNU tools aren't in the right part of the $PATH[22:45:07] <tsoome> if you cant firgure out your paths, maybe building software is not really your first thing you should do atm....[22:45:11] <system5__> building Fluxbox as a starter project should get you all set[22:45:19] <zmisc> I understand $PATH[22:45:26] <system5__> I learned the hard way by trial and error and banging my head against the wall[22:45:33] <zmisc> It should be a basic requirement for using any unix/unix-like systems.[22:45:48] <system5__> almost anything builds easy on OpenSolaris if your $PATH is right except for stuff that requires the newest GCC if your GCC version is too old[22:45:59] <system5__> VLC is the only thing that I think was tough to build[22:46:05] <system5__> everything is easy[22:46:09] <system5__> talk to you guys later[22:46:14] *** system5__ has quit IRC[22:46:29] <zmisc> I wonder why no recent XFCE packages have been created then, it seems to be a pretty popular desktop environment.[22:46:43] *** raichoo has quit IRC[22:46:48] *** sr__ has joined #opensolaris[22:46:56] <sr__> hey[22:47:16][22:47:55] <sr__> create Launcher then ?[22:48:34] *** zmisc has quit IRC[22:50:54] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[22:54:36] <victori> http://pastie.org/903015[22:54:39] <victori> should i be worried?[22:54:45] <victori> err[22:54:46] <victori> dammit[22:54:59] <victori> http://pastie.org/903016[22:55:01] <victori> i meant this[22:55:18] <victori> awesome automatic pastebin fail[22:55:22] *** W0rmDrink has joined #opensolaris[22:57:34] <Stric> victori: Well, your storage subsystem is flawed.[22:57:55] <reflect> the error is minor.. but, you need to act[22:59:23] *** pgr has quit IRC[22:59:32] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[23:01:20] *** sr__ has quit IRC[23:02:03] *** W0rmDrink has joined #opensolaris[23:05:04] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[23:05:37] *** andersenep has quit IRC[23:08:30] <reflect> jamesd2: regarding hotswapping and horror stories.. where can I read more about this?[23:08:33] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[23:08:46] <reflect> talk about timing[23:09:03] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[23:09:20] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[23:19:34] *** duri has quit IRC[23:19:37] *** icarus901 has quit IRC[23:20:18] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[23:21:28] *** duri has joined #opensolaris[23:22:31] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris[23:23:57] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[23:25:08] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[23:26:50] *** MuffiXXL has joined #opensolaris[23:27:02] *** kpt-pejsek has quit IRC[23:34:03] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[23:36:31] *** wdp has quit IRC[23:38:20] *** MuffiXXL has quit IRC[23:45:01] *** zenroom has quit IRC[23:50:39] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[23:50:45] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[23:52:27] *** chilicuil has quit IRC[23:52:35] *** chilicuil has joined #opensolaris[23:53:06] *** sstallion has quit IRC[23:55:35] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[23:56:32] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[23:58:42] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[23:59:19] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris