April 2, 2010 
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April 2, 2010 [00:00:34] *** duck[osol] has joined #opensolaris[00:00:41] <_matze> i know to use it but i hate it :)[00:00:48] <duck[osol]> well, good news: upgrade worked[00:00:49] <duck[osol]> bad news: still no driver for my wifi card :([00:01:03] <duck[osol]> Atheros AR928X...i had it working at one point[00:01:33] <RoyK> _matze: if you've got vim, why learn ed?[00:02:06] <_matze> just for fun :)[00:02:54] <rune-> try dwarf fortress for fun, its interface kind of resembles vim[00:03:06] <rune-> on a very general note[00:03:07] <RoyK> vim works on a 9600 terminal and is somehow userfriendly (depending on choice of friends)[00:03:36] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[00:05:00] <_matze> did you remember emacs ? eight megs constant swapping ?[00:05:16] <_matze> s/did/do[00:05:17] <Nemesis> whereis the whereis command for osol?[00:05:24] <Nemesis> cant find it nowhere[00:05:29] <tsoome> man find?[00:05:36] <tsoome> ;)[00:05:53] <Spencer_tt> duck[osol]: try http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+laptop/arn[00:06:22] <duck[osol]> ah ha..based on ath9k, should work then :)[00:06:32] <Nemesis> thx[00:06:34] <Nemesis> ;)[00:06:37] <Spencer_tt> yeah that's the idea of having it :p[00:10:46] *** hsp has quit IRC[00:11:13] <duck[osol]> hm, well it installed and i get the right info from scanpci..but, battery's almost dead... gonna shut it down before it dies and test it later :P[00:11:15] <RoyK> tsoome: find != whereis[00:11:34] <RoyK> tsoome: whereis looks in the path[00:11:37] <tsoome> you can use find to find whereis:P[00:11:43] <tsoome> or google.[00:11:47] <_matze> its really funny ... opensolaris runs faster here then slackware 13... just bootup takes longer..[00:11:52] <tsoome> or that another thing:P[00:12:03] <tsoome> bootup longer?[00:12:09] <tsoome> how you do measure it?[00:12:11] <_matze> takes longer to bootup[00:12:35] <_matze> sorry for my grammatics... i still learn english :)[00:12:38] <tsoome> whenever i hear about that "long boot" it makes me curious[00:13:05] <tsoome> i mean, there is no huge banner "yay, its X o'clock and i did finish boot"[00:13:16] <tsoome> so, how you do measure it?[00:13:24] <gebi> ack, osol takes an really long time to bootup[00:13:56] <_matze> isnt solaris meant for continues duty ?[00:14:00] <rune-> I find it pretty fast, the bioses almost uses more time :p[00:14:06] <Nemesis> find is much better than whereis[00:14:08] <_matze> i didnt measure it... just by feel[00:14:10] <Nemesis> good deal[00:14:17] <tsoome> feel? sigh[00:14:27] *** melbogia has quit IRC[00:14:29] *** icarus901 has quit IRC[00:14:51] <CosmicDJ> well first boot takes some time because all smf manifests have to be imported IIRC[00:15:05] <tsoome> thats special case, yes, CosmicDJ[00:15:06] <CosmicDJ> but after that it should be much faster[00:15:44] *** duck[osol] has quit IRC[00:15:55] <_matze> and its more responsive[00:15:58] <tsoome> but yes, if you "feel" it on looking on gdm login, just svcadm disable gdm, and voila.[00:16:24] <tsoome> console mode login: prompt is there like few seconds after kernel messages[00:16:28] <_matze> i meant bootup to desktop ;)[00:16:55] *** ozux has quit IRC[00:17:46] <tsoome> ye the point is, for some reason solaris gdm start depends on multi-user milestone, meaning it wont start before all multi-user services are started.[00:18:07] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:19:11] *** syamajala has quit IRC[00:19:16] <tsoome> basically, it means, if you have gui login, the system has pretty much finished booting, not like in some systems, where your disk is all red long time after you see gui login[00:19:27] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[00:19:34] <tsoome> thats why i did ask how you do measure it;)[00:19:57] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[00:20:17] <tsoome> if i boot my OSX, and login, it will take quite some time when my desktop is really usable[00:20:37] <_matze> windows mouse click generation ...[00:20:41] <_matze> :)[00:21:48] <tsoome> mm if you wanna measure it like that, i think its more fair to set up gdm to autologin on both systems and stop the clock when desktop is usable[00:23:22] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[00:23:42] <_matze> maybe i see it as a complete enviroment if its complete useable its up[00:24:02] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[00:24:30] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris[00:24:44] <_matze> i hope i produce some thing u can read :) and my english isnt that bad[00:25:02] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[00:25:09] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[00:25:21] *** timsf has quit IRC[00:25:58] <Spencer_tt> nice joke[00:26:07] <_matze> joke?[00:26:10] <tsoome> and sure, it all will come down to details - if you wanna see how if feels - then you optimize gui login to be on screen as fast as possible, or if you wanna really measure it, then fix the "poreron" moment and find the start time of last service started.[00:26:15] <tsoome> poweron*[00:26:20] *** vivid has quit IRC[00:26:43] *** webmink has quit IRC[00:26:53] <tsoome> it can also be you just have too many "unneeded" services starting:)[00:26:55] <Spencer_tt> _matze: any English that's good enough to convey your problem is good enough[00:27:01] <Spencer_tt> imho[00:27:10] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:27:13] <_matze> but i want it to be perfect[00:27:18] <Spencer_tt> baaa[00:27:25] <_matze> it will never... i know :)[00:27:41] <_matze> just learn it myself by using manpages on linux and such stuff...[00:27:49] <tsoome> wow[00:28:01] <_matze> i never had it at school[00:28:05] <tsoome> first person admitting here he reads man:)[00:28:18] <Spencer_tt> _matze: you speak German or[00:28:23] <_matze> yes[00:28:26] <Spencer_tt> haha[00:28:27] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[00:28:27] <_matze> :P[00:28:40] <Spencer_tt> wunderbar![00:28:45] <_matze> na denn[00:28:52] <CosmicDJ> is that a funny language? ;)[00:28:57] <Spencer_tt> excuse my bad German :p[00:28:59] <_matze> most worse ? ;)[00:29:04] <rune-> whats the longest german word you know? :D[00:29:11] <Spencer_tt> I can listen :p[00:29:18] <rune-> german has such strange hybrid words.. imho[00:29:38] <_matze> Nahrungsergänzungspräperate oO[00:29:43] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:29:44] <_matze> Lohnsteuerjahresausgleich[00:29:59] <Berny> Strukturtapete![00:30:05][00:30:06] <rune-> hehe[00:30:10] <_matze> ;)[00:30:11] <Spencer_tt> :D[00:30:20] <rune-> speeding, right?[00:30:24] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:30:24] <Berny> yeah[00:30:34] <_matze> i think the longest is about 200 chars ? oO ... need to remember ;)[00:30:44] *** saite has quit IRC[00:30:52][00:31:02] <_matze> ;)[00:31:02] <CosmicDJ> classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoNh3wZiAG8 "Do you speak English?"[00:31:03] <Spencer_tt> now can you rap in that[00:31:10] <rune-> is one opf the longest ever according to google[00:31:19] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[00:31:25] <tsoome> omg[00:31:28] <tsoome> :D[00:31:31] <Spencer_tt> it must have practical application :p[00:31:37] <Berny> .oO(don't mention the war)[00:31:45] <_matze> its just a combination of words...[00:31:49] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[00:31:53] <rune-> pretty much, yea, german hybrids[00:32:09] <Berny> paradox-semantiches determinativkompositum[00:32:10] <_matze> finnish is more evil ;)[00:32:27] <Spencer_tt> sure[00:32:36] <_matze> lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottoriapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas[00:32:38] <Spencer_tt> Suomi say you're Eeeevil[00:32:46] <rune-> I heard they have really difficult grammars[00:32:47] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[00:32:51] <_matze> all germans evil..[00:32:54] <_matze> i know :p[00:32:57] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:32:58] <rune-> the fins[00:33:17] <Spencer_tt> and the Scands[00:33:24] <rune-> norwegian isnt that hard :D[00:33:26] <rune-> I should know[00:33:33] <Spencer_tt> hmmmziz[00:33:38] <Berny> neither is german :>[00:33:48] <rune-> its somewhere between german and english Id say[00:34:03] <Berny> i thought that was dutch ;-)[00:34:11] *** system5__ has joined #opensolaris[00:34:16] <Spencer_tt> so Danish is just the same hey[00:34:17] <rune-> well, if I listen to someone speaking dutch it sounds like norwegian[00:34:24] <Berny> lol[00:34:27] <_matze> a bit..[00:34:28] <rune-> except I cant understand a word theyre saying.. its like any minute now[00:34:30] <system5__> dutch sounds like German to me[00:34:32] *** vivid has quit IRC[00:34:34] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:34:34] <rune-> theyll say something Ill understand.. but nah.. never happens[00:34:35] <system5__> like HochDeutsch[00:34:42] <system5__> errr[00:34:43] <_matze> some things are comparable some not[00:34:52] <system5__> like PLattdeutsch, which is different from Hochdeutsch[00:35:00] <system5__> Plattdeutsch and Dutch are practically the same[00:35:03] <Spencer_tt> just because it sounds the same does not mean mean it's not the same[00:35:10] <rune-> hehe[00:35:15] <system5__> have you ever heard Plattdeutsch?[00:35:15] <_matze> language is different ;)[00:35:19] <Spencer_tt> do they have the same meanings[00:35:29] <Spencer_tt> in the common words[00:35:42] <system5__> it's a North German language spoken in the area of Germany around the netherlands and belgium, and it's practically the same as Dutch[00:35:58] <rune-> dutch and norwegian sound the same, but very few similarities beyond that :p[00:35:59] <system5__> it's different from the Southern German dialect they teach in school which is HochDeutsch[00:36:06] <Berny> system5, that is not quite correct[00:36:15] <system5__> you speak Plattdeutsch?[00:36:20] <Berny> i do[00:36:25] <system5__> just the word "Dutch" and "Deutsch" are kind of the same[00:36:33] <system5__> the difference is a missing "e"[00:36:33] <Spencer_tt> the Swiss have some obscure dialects[00:36:40] <Spencer_tt> or just have one[00:36:45] <Berny> well not as good as my grandpa did but enough to survive when being at the cost[00:36:46] <Spencer_tt> I'm no expert :p[00:36:49] <Berny> coast evern[00:36:51] <Berny> even[00:36:53] <Berny> narf![00:37:01] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[00:37:10] <_matze> maybe the only dutch word i know is meisje... it means girls..[00:37:10] <Berny> system5, yeah thats about it :>[00:37:22] <Berny> lekker![00:37:33] <system5__> why do English speaking people call "dutch" the word "dutch" when dutch people call themselves "Nederlands" and call the Germans dutch (i.e. deutsch)[00:37:34] <Spencer_tt> lacka indeed[00:37:38] *** vivid has quit IRC[00:37:42] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:37:48] <Spencer_tt> ask god?[00:38:05] <Spencer_tt> maybe a older person will know[00:38:35] *** jaywalk has quit IRC[00:38:51] <Spencer_tt> 90+ or just a person witj oral history, not sure wikipedia lives up to it's promise[00:39:00] *** Rune_ has joined #opensolaris[00:39:16] <_matze> wikipedia isnt a suitable source ...[00:39:17] *** rune- has quit IRC[00:39:20] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[00:39:30] <system5__> Wikipedia Deutsch says- "Die freie Enzykopaedie" while wikipedia Nederlands (Dutch) says: "De vrije encyclopedie" the words seem similar to me[00:39:30] <_matze> some times it doenst contain the right information[00:39:37] <Spencer_tt> yeah[00:39:39] <system5__> Flemish seems to be exactly the same as Dutch too[00:39:52] <system5__> from Flanders[00:40:03] <Spencer_tt> Belgium[00:40:06] <system5__> the Flemish Belgians even have Dutch sounding names like "Joost" and what not[00:40:12] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[00:40:13] *** TomJ has quit IRC[00:40:13] <_matze> Benelux staates :)[00:40:13] <Spencer_tt> Flanderen[00:40:25] <dsturnbull> "dutch" seems to have been used for all germans, historically[00:40:38] <Spencer_tt> interesting hey[00:40:48] <system5__> well Netherlands succeeded from German like a thousand years ago, I bet around the same time the Swiss succeeded[00:41:05] <dsturnbull> the english had quite extensive dealings with the dutch though, culturally, so that's probably why it stuck longer[00:41:11] <system5__> * the succeeded from the Charlemagnes Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation which was Germany back then[00:41:14] *** plompi has joined #opensolaris[00:41:26] *** vivid has quit IRC[00:41:46] <Spencer_tt> the weed?[00:42:19] <system5__> there's an ethnic group in the United States called "the Pennsylvania dtuch" and they actually speak German and not Dutch, how do you explan that?[00:42:22] <system5__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_dutch[00:42:24] <duckinator> yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy wifi worked :)[00:42:27] <dsturnbull> i guess in the context of pre-unification, holland seemed like just another german state[00:42:31] <Spencer_tt> wd duckinator[00:42:52] <duckinator> thanks Spencer_tt, works much much much better than be........well, it works better than before besides me choosing the wrong network :D[00:43:10] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:43:10] <system5__> LOL, this wikipedia article is hilarious[00:43:15] <Spencer_tt> yeah yeah[00:44:07] <system5__> "the Pennsylvania Dutch speak three different languages- German (a.k.a. Deutsch), old Dutch (a.k.a. Deitsch), and modern Dutch (a.k.a. Duits), all meaning "German" yet all cognates of the ENglish 'Dutch'[00:44:17] <_matze> Deitsch :D lol ...[00:44:29] <_matze> why still use this here for deutsch...[00:44:29] <duckinator> </3 my router :([00:44:40] <system5__> no German (Deutsch) and Dutch (Deitsch) aren't related at all.... it's a conspiracy LOL[00:44:41] *** plompi has left #opensolaris[00:44:57] <_matze> its dialect..[00:45:02] <system5__> true[00:45:13] <Spencer_tt> the Pennsyl Dutchies are way too similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish[00:45:16] <Spencer_tt> the Amish[00:45:20] <Spencer_tt> dude[00:45:25] <_matze> i`m from upper franconia[00:45:31] <system5__> Mennoniten is what I think they call them in Germany[00:46:04] <system5__> haha, Franconia, that's Franken right, how am I supposed to not get Franken confused with Frankenreich?[00:46:30] <system5__> If Franconia invaded Bayern and Sachsen and other neighboring states and took them over wouldn't that make them a "Franken Reich" ?[00:46:32] <system5__> LOL[00:46:43] <Spencer_tt> lo[00:46:45] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:46:47] <_matze> alle kranken kommen nach franken[00:46:51] <_matze> oO[00:46:58] <system5__> then you would have to forget German and learn French[00:47:17] <system5__> eat Frogs legs, grow more body hair :-)[00:47:21] <_matze> has todo with barbarian migrations ;)[00:47:35] <Spencer_tt> French is predictable[00:47:36] <duckinator> gah..this makes my brain hurt :([00:47:43] <Spencer_tt> lol[00:47:50] <_matze> if i tell it right...[00:47:58] <Spencer_tt> duckinator: what is that[00:48:00] <_matze> Völkerwanderung is what i search as english word...[00:48:03] <duckinator> Spencer_tt: my router is identifying itself as 'linksys', despite me setting it for being 'mjrouter'...so it's conflicting with my neighbors linksys :([00:48:08] <system5__> "Franken = German state of Franconia" and "Frankenreich = France" but could also mean "Franconia Empire"[00:48:18] <Spencer_tt> ewww sorry[00:48:18] <Rune_> I found discovering the vandals hilarous :p[00:48:37] <Rune_> i[00:48:46] <Spencer_tt> duckinator: you'll login and do your thang[00:48:58] <duckinator> ?[00:49:08] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[00:49:25] <_matze> good old europe :)[00:49:27] <Spencer_tt> as in login to the router - change the settings back[00:49:37] <Spencer_tt> to er.. normal[00:50:03] <Rune_> gah, Im suppoused to read up on comstar, not the netherlands :s[00:50:16] <system5__> of Flanders[00:50:21] <system5__> * or Flanders[00:50:25] <system5__> man I can't type this morning[00:50:35] *** gswain has left #opensolaris[00:50:35] <Spencer_tt> ow it's morning already[00:50:41] <duckinator> Spencer_tt: well thing is they're set properly, but it insists it's called "linksys" despite the settings saying "mjrouter" :|[00:50:41] <Spencer_tt> I'm on BST[00:50:46] <Spencer_tt> :|[00:50:48] * duckinator is tempted to burn his router, but has nothing to replace it with[00:50:48] <_matze> maybe the dutch have one good thing :) consuming marijuhana isnt at all a probelm[00:50:55] <system5__> hey so does anybody know if Oracle / S'norcle is letting us buy Solaris and OpenSolaris support contracts again yet?[00:51:00] <Rune_> duck, may be stupid, but did you reboot it? :][00:51:12] <Rune_> after saving to nvram[00:51:13] <system5__> reboot it three times.... just to make sure hehehehe[00:51:20] <system5__> oh it's a CISCO? I am certified[00:51:26] <CosmicDJ> system5__: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6456-About-OpenSolaris-support.html[00:51:29] <Spencer_tt> or certifiable?[00:51:39] *** Bateau has quit IRC[00:51:42] <_matze> its a shame that sun is bankrupt..[00:51:43] <duckinator> system5__: it's a linksys, damn their faily web interfaces[00:51:45] <system5__> both[00:51:56] <system5__> if it's a linksys, wipe the firmware and install dd-wrt[00:51:56] <Spencer_tt> you can't flash a router like you can flash a phone hey[00:51:59] <system5__> you will thank me[00:52:12] <system5__> you can flash linksys wireless with DD-WRT firmware[00:52:12] <_matze> Spencer_tt: whats the difference ?[00:52:13] <Rune_> ddwrt is nice[00:52:16] <duckinator> system5__: except i got that lovely one version of wrt54g that's not linux based, so that wont work :([00:52:22] <system5__> ddwrt is a Linux distro that doesn't suck[00:52:24] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[00:52:25] <_matze> uploading a image to a phone or a router.. just the same[00:52:28] *** jaywalk has joined #opensolaris[00:52:29] <system5__> unlike many other Linux distros[00:52:30] <Spencer_tt> do it! :p[00:52:44] <_matze> just different flavors of shit[00:52:49] <system5__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd-wrt[00:52:52] <tsoome> hm, noone asked when 2010.03 will be released?[00:52:57] <_matze> soon[00:53:13] <_matze> when its done..[00:53:13] <system5__> Linux and NetBSD are good for embedded stuff, just don't ever upgrade your Linux or it might break something[00:53:28] <duckinator> system5__: tried ddwrt, openwrt, and a few other ones...had to reset to factory defaults each time lol[00:53:28] <Spencer_tt> I like breaking things[00:53:33] <system5__> I could just imagine doing an apt-get dist upgrade on a TIVO or a Microwave and bricking the thing[00:53:38] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[00:53:40] <system5__> or on some other Linux appliance[00:53:44] <_matze> yep iphones fly good ![00:53:47] <duckinator> FINALLY[00:53:50] <duckinator> it found my router![00:53:56] <system5__> how much you want to bet those Toyota gas pedals have embedded Linux in there somewhere?[00:53:57] * duckinator stops trying to re-configure it before he breaks something[00:54:04] <duckinator> system5__: i'll bet you $0.01[00:54:13] <duckinator> or better yet, i'll bet you an HTTP cookie[00:54:14] *** mdoneal has quit IRC[00:54:25] <system5__> just go here and read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd-wrt[00:54:38] <system5__> there is a hardware compatibility list that your Linksys needs to be on, older ones are better usually[00:54:49] <duckinator> <duckinator> system5__: tried ddwrt, openwrt, and a few other ones...had to reset to factory defaults each time lol[00:54:59] <system5__> German version is here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT[00:54:59] <Spencer_tt> breaking systems need RTOSs[00:55:01] *** duck[osol] has joined #opensolaris[00:55:08] <duck[osol]> woooooo[00:55:15] <duck[osol]> it lives :)[00:55:55] <system5__> DD-WRT lets you SSH in to the linksys and get an embedded shell called "ASH" if your l33t I've heard there are ways to install tcpdump and nmap and whatnot[00:56:08] *** dsturnbull has left #opensolaris[00:56:23] <system5__> have the tcpdump output redirect to wireshark on a desktop computer (the newer builds of OpenSolaris have wireshark in IPS so you don't need to install from blastwave anymore)[00:56:36] <duckinator> system5__: since you're good with this router stuff, have you ever tried turning a PC into a router + wifi ap? ;)[00:57:08] <system5__> @duckhinator- hmmmm, one of my buds got this netgear card that worked on old sparc machines[00:57:14] <system5__> it was a netgear wireless card[00:57:23] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[00:57:33] <system5__> and he could install NetBSD or OpenBSD on the old SPARC junk and turn it into a wireless router[00:57:33] <duckinator> system5__: as in, a normal wifi card? or was it specially made for that purpose?[00:57:36] <system5__> it was very complicated though[00:58:18] <system5__> I know what the card was, on the card it said:[00:58:31] <system5__> Netgear WG311T 108mbps wireless PCI adapter[00:58:48] <system5__> it works with aircrack, and aircrack can be compiled on solaris, but it's not easy[00:59:01] <system5__> you could just go the easy way and use Noobuntu SPARC edition or OpenBSD[00:59:19] <_matze> noobuntu sparc edition ? :)[00:59:30] <system5__> Noobuntu = Ubuntu for Noobies[00:59:44] <Spencer_tt> hmm well if you're willing to break a few things you can get that working - not all make files work all the time[00:59:52] <system5__> there was a sparc edition for Ubuntu, don't know if it still exists, maybe there is only SPARC debian now[01:00:08] <_matze> ubuntu is a ancient african word that means i can`t configure unix[01:00:19] <system5__> yes![01:00:26] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:00:27] <system5__> it means, breaks random things when you upgrade[01:00:30] <system5__> that's what Ubuntu means to me[01:00:32] <duckinator> system5__: that's just a normal wifi card, which means i can pick up some random wifi card :P[01:00:45] <Spencer_tt> try VMS.BSD[01:00:49] <Spencer_tt> haha[01:00:53] <duckinator> ubuntu works if you need something quick that works. but if you plan to use it for a while, i recommend burning your eyes first[01:00:56] *** niq has quit IRC[01:01:02] <system5__> no the Netgear WG311T chipset works with aircrack, not all wifi chipsets work with aircrack[01:01:03] <_matze> ubuntu is still better then using win32 shit[01:01:10] <system5__> if you want to do packet injection into the wireless[01:01:12] <Spencer_tt> it works for me when I need to boot into a live system[01:01:16] <duckinator> system5__: ah[01:01:23] <system5__> Ubuntu server is pretty easy to set up and good as long as you never upgrade it[01:01:26] <_matze> installed it on few ppls computer to get rid of removing viruses[01:01:40] <system5__> but then you don't upgrade and the apt eventually stops working when Ubuntu stops supporting your version[01:01:50] <Rune_> upgrades are pretty smooth also[01:01:55] <system5__> the one most amazing command ever that Ubuntu and Debian have that OpenSolaris doesn't have is:[01:02:01] <_matze> maybe apt or rpm ... just different flavors of pain[01:02:02] <system5__> "dpkg-reconfigure postfix"[01:02:05] *** ewindisch has joined #opensolaris[01:02:06] <system5__> that is the best command ever[01:02:20] <system5__> so hard to install postfix on Solaris / OpenSolaris and get it integrated with SMF[01:02:31] <system5__> on Ubuntu it takes me 5 seconds to do a postfix mail server[01:02:34] <duckinator> system5__: archlinux is by far the best linux distro i've used...except the numerous grub failures when trying to install it lol[01:02:44] <system5__> aptitude install postfix, dovecot, squirrelmail, etc.[01:02:52] <system5__> dpkg-reconfigure postfix[01:02:52] <system5__> and you are done![01:02:58] <_matze> i don`t like packaging systems at all[01:03:01] <_matze> all suckl[01:03:08] <system5__> dpkg-reconfigure is like one of those ncurses text based menus[01:03:11] <Rune_> not one system is perfect afaik[01:03:13] <system5__> you ever try it?[01:03:15] <Rune_> but they all have their strong suits[01:03:22] <_matze> its like win32... you need .dll for xyz.exe[01:03:24] <_matze> just the same[01:03:32] <duckinator> _matze: pacman (archlinux's) is very good[01:03:38] <system5__> it's like when install things on Windoze and you just click "Next--> Next --> OK --> Next" and you're done, that is what dpkg-reconfigure is like[01:03:39] <Rune_> upgrading gcc on gentoo it just horrible[01:03:49] <system5__> yeah, my friends gentoo box always breaks[01:03:53] <_matze> but it makes things easier or more complicated[01:03:55] <_matze> ...[01:03:57] <duckinator> _matze: auto dep handling, 3rd party repos, and all that can be done by default :) but then again, it's linux and has grub issues lol[01:04:00] <system5__> but he says it's easy to fix it so good for him[01:04:00] <Rune_> been using it in production environments for years[01:04:16] <Rune_> gentoo works just fine, but its pretty demanding compared to most other distros :s[01:04:18] <tsoome> why would i need postfix anyhow?:P[01:04:24] <Rune_> same with freebsd imho[01:04:30] <duckinator> once you get a working arch install, it's great. before that you'll be glaring at it going "what was i thinking?" ;)[01:04:32] <_matze> e-mail is insecure and needs a replacement...[01:04:37] <Spencer_tt> the only thing that I break and don't have time to fix is a broken kernel[01:04:41] <system5__> Dude, Postfix is the best MTA in the history of time and space, what are you a Sendmail or Exim fan?[01:04:55] <duckinator> Rune_: yea, gentoo/freebsd are good but require much more work than most oses/distros[01:05:00] <system5__> I don't know why OpenSolaris doesn't have a Postfix IPS package considering that the OpenSolaris mailing list runs on Postfix[01:05:06] <Rune_> sendmails nice, if you ever figured out configuring it :D[01:05:08] <tsoome> ah, i see.[01:05:20] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[01:05:21] <tsoome> so if uyou say its best mta ever, so it must be:P[01:05:32] <_matze> sendmail configuration ? argh!!!![01:05:38] *** ayasei___ has joined #opensolaris[01:05:45] <Spencer_tt> do you need yo configure that haha[01:05:51] <system5__> much of your sendmail knowledge transfers to postfix, one of the reasons it's so amazing[01:05:54] <Spencer_tt> ow you just add a few lines[01:06:04] <reflect> postfix :)[01:06:32] <Rune_> first time many years ago looking at sendmail was pretty funny, configure a program to generate configurations :s[01:06:38] <_matze> i don`t like email .. cleartext transmission ...[01:06:49] <_matze> spys friend at all[01:06:52] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[01:07:03] <Rune_> doesnt have to be clartext[01:07:13] <system5__> check out these diagrams:[01:07:14] <system5__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto[01:07:17] <Rune_> I see more and more smtp's doing ssl[01:07:19] <tsoome> _matze: just use smtp+ssl[01:08:08] <Rune_> would be interesting to graph how many non-spam messages are delivered through smtp over ssl on average[01:08:14] <system5__> Postfix is made of like 10 different components and each one runs inside it's own ultra-secure jail[01:08:15] <system5__> and it's so fast, and has great anti-spam features and on Ubuntu it takes only two commands to set it up[01:08:16] <system5__> Debian postfix configuration is the weapon of choice when I need to get a really good high performance mail server configured real fast[01:08:41] <Rune_> I think we still have some qmail servers around[01:08:41] <reflect> _matze: I have a ribnon for cleartext emails..[01:08:58] <Spencer_tt> if you don't like ubu why do you use it[01:09:06] <reflect> says something to the effect of "send emails so sthat all systems can views them"[01:09:15] <tsoome> just use exchange like everyone else are:P[01:09:18] <_matze> Spencer_tt: me?[01:09:19] <system5__> because it Ubu makes a very fast and easy mail server[01:09:23] <_matze> k..[01:09:26] <Spencer_tt> I dunno maybe you[01:09:27] <_matze> clear :)[01:09:28] <Spencer_tt> :p[01:09:28] * tsoome hides[01:09:28] <system5__> yeah, I don't have the $$$ for exchange[01:09:39] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[01:09:48] <system5__> look a lot of people who use Ubu hate Ubuntu but still use it, it's a very common pathology in the *nix community[01:09:56] <_matze> i just got it on other ppls boxes... because you need no knowledge to click install updates[01:09:59] <_matze> ..[01:10:01] <Spencer_tt> ****exchange[01:10:16] <Spencer_tt> clicka clicka[01:10:19] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:10:20] <system5__> my best friend uses it on his laptop and every six months he is screaming "F*&#k Ubuntu!!! f$%^k Ubuntu!!!"[01:10:24] <Rune_> I know several people that abandoned freebsd for ubuntu using it for mail and web[01:10:40] <_matze> system5__: every six months is still better then every day fuck microsoft[01:10:42] <_matze> ;)[01:10:44] <system5__> yeah, if you only have postfix and apache installed, it's not that bad[01:10:48] *** gebi has quit IRC[01:10:49] <system5__> as a server, actually[01:10:51] <Rune_> system5__, he keeps up with the latest releases I gather :D[01:10:54] * duckinator _o/\o_ _matze[01:10:57] <system5__> it's like Debian with more device drivers[01:11:06] *** thistle__ has joined #opensolaris[01:11:16] * Spencer_tt hates Deb/Ubu :|[01:11:19] <_matze> linux has too much stuff in its kernel[01:11:36] <_matze> too big since 2.6...[01:11:41] <reflect> system5__: yes, but he's screaming for something trivial.. put any other OS on his laptop and he would scream every month, instead of every 6 months..[01:11:41] <Spencer_tt> nothing personal ofcourse I can't justify time on keeping in on a hdd[01:11:45] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[01:11:46] <duckinator> if ubuntu had a better release system (<3 rolling release and the like), i'd be willing to use it on random desktop systems that aren't powerful enough to handle opensolaris[01:12:13] <duckinator> but, as it stands, i doubt that'll happen... :P[01:12:21] <_matze> 8.04 is fine..[01:12:33] <system5__> you all need to read this link called "Evolution of an Ubuntu user": http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/evolution-of-ubuntu-user.html[01:12:40] <_matze> operating systems are like religions[01:12:41] <Rune_> I upgraded a couple of deb4 boxes recently, went surprisingly smooth[01:12:43] <system5__> it is so true! I am in the final stage of evolution[01:12:46] <Rune_> no desktop env though[01:12:48] <_matze> everyone got its one[01:12:50] <duckinator> _matze: oh shit, i'm going to hell then :D[01:12:55] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:12:55] * duckinator changes oses almost monthly[01:12:57] <system5__> you are probably in stage one on that link[01:12:57] <reflect> _matze: very true..[01:13:31] <_matze> i still like the Armstrad CPC basic... and miss it do just turn the machine on and its instant up[01:13:32] <system5__> First Ubuntu install: Sweet! This thing actually kinda detects most of my hardware that except for the things that I paid more than $100 for.[01:13:34] <Spencer_tt> changes almost every week[01:13:46] <Spencer_tt> and trys out ides like clothes[01:13:53] <Rune_> aslong as customers dont pester for the latest release of php and alike ubuntu is nice[01:14:00] <Spencer_tt> never sure if they fit[01:14:06] <system5__> 6 months later, first upgrade: f##ck my ____ (insert wireless, graphics, acpi sleep, whatever) broke!!![01:14:11] <_matze> linux kernel has much problems... too much changes into driver interfaces etc...[01:14:15] <_matze> that sucks much...[01:14:19] <Rune_> _matze, wasnt the amstradcpcs pretty slow?[01:14:22] <reflect> system5__: heh? I paid 2000 for my system and there's nothing undetected.. ?[01:14:25] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[01:14:33] <_matze> Rune_: z80 wasnt that bad ;)[01:14:39] <system5__> I'll let this one slide and I'll spend the next twenty hours fixing it and I'll post something about it in my blog, and then spend another 10 hours being helpful on ubuntuforums.com.[01:14:44] <_matze> CP/M was very useable at all[01:14:46] <Rune_> true, I loved my zx spectrum 48k[01:14:54] <system5__> well I started using Ubuntu with like Ubuntu 6[01:14:55] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris[01:15:00] <_matze> and free (if i remember right...)[01:15:12] <reflect> system5__: so what?[01:15:14] <Spencer_tt> hey Psions where based on Z80[01:15:26] <davenz> Dana Blankenhorn @ ZDnet[01:15:26] <system5__> my friends laptop had those intel drivers that were buggy[01:15:29] <_matze> ubuntu is linux for the mass[01:15:35] <Spencer_tt> effect[01:15:35] <system5__> when he upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 he had a blinking strobe light[01:15:39] <system5__> after the reboot[01:15:43] <system5__> what's your response to that?[01:15:50] <Rune_> cool at parties[01:15:52] <duckinator> ubuntu, debian, gentoo, archlinux, and freebsd always works on my systems, the issue is upgrading ubuntu and debian is asplodey, gentoo and freebsd makes my computer's processor cry, and archlinux has issues with grub sometimes when installing[01:15:53] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:15:53] <system5__> the monitor was a blinking strobe light[01:15:53] <_matze> rm -rf /[01:15:57] <davenz> proof positive you can spend "30 years" in tech journalism and still not know what the hell you're talking about[01:16:00] <system5__> LOL!!! parties!!![01:16:16] <Spencer_tt> you need a IPad go join the cue[01:16:27] * duckinator sets fire to Spencer_tt[01:16:34] <_matze> ipad is just a big iphone without phone lol[01:16:35] * Spencer_tt fires[01:16:38] <Spencer_tt> oops[01:16:38] <system5__> I don't own any apple, the only big ticket item I splurged on was a Toshiba laptop with OpenSolaris installed[01:16:40] <reflect> ot[01:16:42] <_matze> a piece of shit..[01:16:43] <Rune_> I need an ipad :D[01:16:56] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:17:07] <_matze> why pay lots of money for design ?[01:17:09] <Rune_> work almost exclusively with large websites[01:17:21] <reflect> it's kind sad watching this.. we don't need unix users pissing on linux users..[01:17:21] <duckinator> ipad = iphone - phone + size[01:17:21] <Rune_> and customers would expect me to be able to help dem debug their "ipad issues"[01:17:25] <system5__> My thinking is: OpenSolaris is buggy as hell compared to Solaris 10, but when I upgrade it, ZFS lets me rewind back to old snpashots of a working system, and the DDI of Solaris is more stable than Linux so once I get something working it will probably continue to work after updates[01:17:26] <Spencer_tt> because more usually means more money :p[01:17:34] <duckinator> note the lack of me mentioning multitasking in that above equation[01:17:41] <Spencer_tt> is it a problem when people like you :p[01:17:54] <Spencer_tt> they don't type me or you[01:17:56] <system5__> except for the disaster where they changed gnome and a bunch of GUI stuff after snv_129 and I had problems with those later builds on some Dell servers (had no problems on the Toshiba laptop)[01:18:09] <duckinator> reflect: i use linux daily. and personally, it's the reason i got into osdev[01:18:24] <Spencer_tt> try awesome http://awesome.naquadah.org |[01:18:31] <Rune_> system5__, what dell hw issues did you have?[01:18:34] <reflect> duckinator: then, please agree with me..[01:18:43] <Rune_> system5__, Im planning on using 2010.3 with some r610 boxes[01:18:50] <_matze> i started with slackware 97/98 and 386BSD.. :/[01:18:56] <Nemesis> well i figured out why it was taking for ever to delete stuff on zfs pool..[01:19:04] <duckinator> reflect: i do agree with you that it's useless to "piss on linux users" as you say, but let me elaborate: i got into osdev because linux pissed me off[01:19:04] <system5__> in snv_130 and snv_131 on a Power Edge 1950, after installation GNOME hangs when you try to log in[01:19:06] <Nemesis> simple bios flash of the raid card fixed it[01:19:09] <system5__> it is a GNOME bug and not an OpenSolaris bug, but whatever[01:19:10] <Rune_> _matze, slack 3.5? :D[01:19:21] <_matze> yep[01:19:26] <_matze> 2.0.38 oO[01:19:30] <system5__> the bug has reportedly been fixed in a newer build (snv_134?) but I haven't had time to test[01:19:30] <_matze> if i remember right[01:19:30] <reflect> duckinator: that's an excellent reason.. trying to better things is great[01:19:41] <_matze> but for now i`m not happy with linux 2.6[01:19:43] <Rune_> i still have the disks around[01:19:53] <Nemesis> however i have a huge bottleneck..only getting 2mb throughput over network..[01:19:55] <_matze> walnut creek compilation ? :)[01:20:00] <Rune_> yes :D[01:20:02] <Nemesis> which is about what it was like before[01:20:06] <_matze> i have one copy too[01:20:08] <Nemesis> the bottleneck never went away[01:20:09] <duckinator> reflect: os dev is fun, as well ;) i've started at least 5 small oses/bootloaders, i actually dont even know how many :D[01:20:14] <Rune_> double cover, right?[01:20:22] <_matze> i think four cd`s[01:20:28] <Rune_> yep, in double cover[01:20:29] <Rune_> I think it was[01:20:40] <_matze> with complete source ;)[01:20:52] <Rune_> I thought it had 2.0.35[01:20:54] <_matze> but since 2.6 linux is so bloated[01:20:57] *** _Trullo has joined #opensolaris[01:21:05] <reflect> duckinator: I use linus cause solaris doesn't quite "cut it".. meaningn we have sofware that just doesn't work under solaris etc.. for 6 years now, we've primarily used linux..[01:21:07] <_matze> a big uggly beast[01:21:25] <reflect> I don't see what the point is in pissing in either way, though..[01:21:30] <reflect> linux[01:21:33] <duckinator> reflect: what kind of software?[01:21:38] <Nemesis> the drives are running faster than the network[01:21:45] * Spencer_tt sighs[01:21:49] <Nemesis> zfs needs a buffer[01:21:56] <reflect> duckinator: research.. it's almost 300 packages..[01:21:56] <Nemesis> or a buffer allocation feature[01:22:06] <duckinator> reflect: ouch O.o[01:22:16] <_matze> linux lost something they still tell you it will run on a 386 but it doenst good at all ;)[01:22:27] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[01:22:48] <_matze> last version i tried on such a machine was a AMD 386DX40 with 128Mb oO[01:22:52] <duckinator> Also, if anyone has tinkered in low-level workings of operating systems (or even just the theory), feel free to look at http://github.com/RockerMONO/dux and http://github.com/RockerMONO/oos (two oses i work on) and PM any ideas/advice to me. i'll be sure to thank you in the credits ;)[01:22:55] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris[01:22:57] <reflect> _matze: so what else runs on a 386. amd what would be the point of using 25 year old hardware?[01:23:01] <Rune_> gah, history channel and its softcore pornish commercials[01:23:20] <_matze> netbsd does this job perfect[01:23:41] <duckinator> reflect: hey now, i had a computer from '93 until it caught on fire last year :)[01:23:42] <Spencer_tt> OpenBSD[01:23:45] <reflect> _matze: then use it? :)[01:24:02] <sickness> I think OpenBSD removed i386 support some time ago, you'd need at least a 486 iirc...[01:24:06] <_matze> links runs very well :) buts just for fun[01:24:09] <Spencer_tt> :p[01:24:14] <Rune_> duck, a 486?[01:24:18] <reflect> duckinator: yes, I had an old SPARCStation 5 as my firewall until last year..[01:24:26] <sickness> not sure, but I've read something about this on misc@[01:24:30] <system5__> what, so Evony is now advertising it's softcore pron ads on the history channel - "Play now discreetly my lord!"[01:24:31] <system5__> LOL[01:24:35] <Spencer_tt> hmm my first pc was a 486 don't know anything about 386s[01:24:44] <reflect> it's not like I'd see it as a real merit for an os if it ran on it..[01:24:46] <_matze> on slow machines you see how good a OS is optimized[01:24:50] <Spencer_tt> with Mess Dos[01:25:02] <duckinator> Rune_: i think so, it was a gateway made in late 1992/early 1993, bought February of '93[01:25:04] <_matze> Spencer_tt: is missing some instructions and internal cache[01:25:09] <Rune_> my 486 was great for eye of the beholder :D[01:25:12] <system5__> go to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evony and scroll down to "Controversy" for some good LOLs[01:25:14] <Rune_> loved that game in 93[01:25:20] <_matze> eob was great ;)[01:25:23] <Spencer_tt> _matze: huh@[01:25:25] <sickness> doom++[01:25:31] <_matze> i remember painting maps for it lol[01:25:38] <Rune_> too bad eob3 was such a letdown[01:25:43] <Rune_> and resource hog[01:25:43] *** ubiquitous1980 has joined #opensolaris[01:25:53] <system5__> I've heard a lot of people advocate BeOS / Haiku for old slow machines[01:26:00] <Spencer_tt> :)[01:26:20] <_matze> on beos 5 i can play 3 mpeg streams 320x240 at once[01:26:29] <_matze> with 200Mhz MMX[01:26:34] <duckinator> hm... i'm supposed to be receiving 2GB of RAM for this thing soon...maybe i'll buy a SATA hd and try opensolaris on here :) (it's got 768MB RAM now, with a 160GB IDE hd)[01:26:40] <Spencer_tt> something to get into a code base from my perspective[01:27:00] <duckinator> system5__: use dux ;) ignore the fact that it doesn't even have a shell yet[01:27:01] <system5__> 2.5 gigs of Ram or more is the sweet spot for me in OpenSolaris[01:27:13] <_matze> the good old times :) ... i still like it to bootup my 386 with 386BD[01:27:14] <_matze> %)[01:27:19] <system5__> or maybe 2.0 gigs with an Nvidia card, since the OpenSolaris nvidia drivers are so good[01:27:37] <duckinator> system5__: then this should be fine :P i'm getting 2 gigs and have an nvidia 8400GS[01:27:49] <system5__> all the zfs snapshotting I do uses up more RAM, that's why I say 2.5 gigs[01:27:56] <system5__> and I have lots of zones and virtualbox VM's[01:28:17] <system5__> I need Windows running in VirtualBox to react with the outside world unfortunately[01:28:26] <system5__> things like VMware's Vsphere client only work in Windoze[01:28:32] <system5__> stupid Vmware[01:28:34] <Rune_> system5__, have you tried xen cloud platform?[01:28:38] <duckinator> i've only ever used one computer with >768MB RAM, and it was a laptop... i'd be happy to get 1 gig in a desktop[01:28:40] <Spencer_tt> suckware[01:28:49] <system5__> want to try it, but I need a job and I need money for food and rent[01:28:54] <system5__> which is why I need to know suckware[01:28:59] <Spencer_tt> ow[01:29:00] <system5__> and Microsoft[01:29:02] <system5__> yes[01:29:03] <Rune_> wintendo is ok[01:29:05] <Rune_> for its uses :)[01:29:10] *** ubiquitous1980 has quit IRC[01:29:22] <_matze> the next evil empire is google?[01:29:24] <Spencer_tt> for synchronised pissing?[01:29:28] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:29:29] <Rune_> looks like it[01:29:34] <Spencer_tt> it runs on linux[01:29:38] <system5__> 95% of the money that pays my bills comes from my Red Hat Linux knowledge, sadly enough[01:29:51] <_matze> maybe i cook for my money[01:29:53] <_matze> ;)[01:29:56] <Rune_> system5__, I dont like rhel :s[01:30:03] <duckinator> O.o interesting webcam bug :D[01:30:10] <system5__> yeah RHEL ticks me off a lot[01:30:12] <system5__> so does CentOS[01:30:15] <Rune_> system5__, spendt too much time with debian+[01:30:17] <system5__> and Faildora[01:30:20] <duckinator> it's got blue and green scrolling down the webcam image (using cheese to test it)[01:30:26] <Rune_> but I had a long bad run with mandrake/driva[01:30:32] <Spencer_tt> I'll stick to Fedora for now thanks :p[01:30:42] <_matze> RPM xyz needs depency zyx.rpm ...[01:30:44] <Spencer_tt> rty suse[01:30:44] <system5__> the problem is Debian and FreeBSD don't have a huge multimillion dollar company supporting them, so it's hard to get them in to enterprise environments[01:30:48] <reflect> as long as you realize that those OSes are useful for others[01:31:02] <_matze> freebsd is very good..[01:31:02] <Rune_> system5__, I got gentoo into enterprise env :D[01:31:08] <system5__> I mean Google and Akamai, I think use something loosely inspired by Debian, but they roll their own distro so it's different[01:31:09] *** gray-- has quit IRC[01:31:16] <Rune_> system5__, granted the project manager was a gentoo fanboy[01:31:26] *** Odin-MAC has joined #opensolaris[01:31:29] <reflect> fuck, we couldn't runt 20% of our software on solaris, I think[01:31:37] <system5__> you couldn't recompile?[01:31:46] <system5__> or use an LX brand zone or WINE[01:31:46] <reflect> no, it's commercial[01:31:48] <Spencer_tt> _matze: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/mirrors 2.6 is coming out this weekend[01:31:50] <system5__> or Virtualbox or Xen[01:32:00] <system5__> I run 100% of my software on Solaris using VIrtualBox[01:32:01] <Spencer_tt> dunno about 386[01:32:10] <_matze> Spencer_tt: i never tried dragonfly who needs another fork ?[01:32:16] *** dalibor has quit IRC[01:32:22] <duckinator> iirc dragonfly isn't that new[01:32:22] <Rune_> Im scratching my head about how to best run xen cloud with a osol iscsi based storage backend :s[01:32:26] <reflect> you're not an HPC shop, I take it?[01:32:37] <Spencer_tt> _matze: I'll take all the fork I can get or give :p[01:32:40] <_matze> OpenBSD,FreeBSD,NetBSD is enough to choose ;)[01:32:55] <duckinator> openbsd wont even boot on this thing, faulty USB bus :([01:33:03] <Spencer_tt> vbox[01:33:04] <_matze> NetBSD for lowend, FreeBSD for HPC and OpenBSD for trashcan[01:33:13] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:33:28] *** duck[osol] has quit IRC[01:33:29] <Spencer_tt> trashcan[01:33:38] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:33:39] *** Odin-MAC is now known as Odin-[01:33:40] <duckinator> netbsd for toasters ;)[01:33:44] <Rune_> give it time and the trashcan will have embedded sw :D[01:33:55] <_matze> netbsd runs very well on toasters ;)#[01:34:08] <duckinator> _matze: you see where they actually rigged up a toaster to run it? :D[01:34:45] <_matze> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1018836/toaster-pc-runs-bsd-makes-toast[01:34:45] <reflect> system5__: we have hundreds of cores.. running hundreds of applications.. 90% of them are only available for linux.. and wasting 8% or so on some virtualization layer would be.. well, a waste[01:34:52] <Spencer_tt> he's saying you need to hook it up to a working toaster :p[01:35:08] <Rune_> does it have cli tools for the toaster hw?[01:35:16] <_matze> hm virtualization thats what the world needs a network in a box...[01:35:18] <Rune_> have cron run it in the morning[01:35:21] <_matze> a piece of shit..[01:35:34] <system5__> @reflect and they are not OpenSource applications that can be recompiled?[01:35:44] <system5__> also which Linux do you use?[01:36:01] <system5__> my biggest problem is that most applications only support Red Hat and Fedora and sometimes Ubuntu[01:36:09] <_matze> Rune_: the toaster runs on arm ;)[01:36:15] <reflect> some of them are.. most are not. we used redhat, we killed it for centos due to redhats support[01:36:31] <system5__> good luck trying to get a binary installer for CISCO Packet Tracer to install properly on ArchLinux or SLackware[01:36:40] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[01:37:06] <duckinator> why is gcc so out of date on osol? :([01:37:08] <system5__> exactly- so don't say "20% of our applications only run on Linux" because that's not true, they probably won't install properly on Mandriva or Gentoo[01:37:23] <system5__> just tell the truth and say "20% of our applications only run on Red Hat / CentOS"[01:37:24] <alanc> duckinator: because you installed the gcc 3 package instead of the gcc 4 one?[01:37:29] <Rune_> system5__, have you looked at these fancy new nexuses?[01:37:35] <duckinator> alanc: i have 4.4.3 on archlinux, i only see 4.3.2 on osol[01:37:36] <_matze> all software should be free...[01:37:37] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[01:37:48] <Spencer_tt> like air is free[01:37:53] <_matze> nike air wears good[01:37:54] <_matze> ...[01:37:55] <system5__> Sun made that mistake big time too, they kept saying SOlaris support was cheaper than "Linux support" when they were referring to Red Hat support specifically[01:38:02] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[01:38:04] <system5__> Red Hat != all of Linux[01:38:07] <alanc> duckinator: well, then, because compilers are hard, and most gcc releases are broken in some new way[01:38:07] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[01:38:12] <_matze> Red Hat = Red Hate[01:38:16] <duckinator> alanc: point taken :P[01:38:17] <system5__> yes[01:38:23] <alanc> you'd have to ask the compiler guys for details[01:38:24] <Spencer_tt> I prefer Addidas and puma in dark colours thanks[01:38:31] <system5__> hey if you're trying to run Red Hat server applications in Solaris you can use BrandZ[01:38:34] <system5__> I use it all the time[01:38:41] <system5__> almost everything works except for BIND / DNS[01:38:45] <reflect> system5__: eh? they only run on the system they're designed for. I don't care about distros that I don't use.. and, it was 90%[01:38:47] <system5__> there's almost no overhead[01:38:52] <_matze> Nike Air == Air..[01:38:55] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:39:05] <Spencer_tt> no Adobe Air[01:39:14] <tsoome> you need linux for bind/dns? what for?![01:39:21] <system5__> have you ever used BrandZ? You can install CentOS in it and some of the applications I tested ran faster in BrandZ than they did natively on Solaris and natively on Red Hat[01:39:25] <system5__> I'm still trying to figure out why[01:39:40] <reflect> system5__: no, I haven't.[01:39:51] <system5__> I installed CentOS 3.9 in brand Z and some encryption stuff was faster[01:39:54] <system5__> strangely enough[01:40:32] <Spencer_tt> if you need it :p[01:40:56] <Rune_> but it did encrypt properly?[01:41:11] <system5__> yes[01:41:13] <system5__> check this link:[01:41:14] <system5__> http://hell.jedicoder.net/?p=50[01:41:33] <reflect> for executing applications, solaris/opensolaris just isn't interesting[01:41:37] <reflect> period[01:41:42] <system5__> not sure if that's still the case but Blowfish in a linux branded zone used to be really fast for some reason[01:42:05] <system5__> @reflect, I disagree, Linux has nothing that compare to zones[01:42:10] <system5__> zones is the main reason I use Solaris[01:42:13] <system5__> and OpenSolaris[01:42:26] <reflect> system5__: yeah, try having a support contract[01:42:32] <system5__> I run all applications in zones, I even browse the web by installing Opera in a zone[01:42:49] <system5__> so if there is a vulnerability / exploit in the web browser, the hacker can only get inside the zoner[01:42:53] <Rune_> system5__, in one sentence, what is zones? :)[01:42:55] <Spencer_tt> reflect: doesn't work when you break things every minute[01:43:00] <system5__> where I can see him and monitor him with dtrace without him seeing me[01:43:03] <reflect> system5__: are you in the HPC business?[01:43:09] <system5__> zones are like FreeBSD jails but much better[01:43:12] <Rune_> Im very new to osol[01:43:14] <Rune_> ah, ok[01:43:15] <reflect> Spencer_tt: what do you mean?[01:43:15] <Rune_> sounded like it[01:43:38] <system5__> case in point, I had a client who wanted to mass produce wordpress blogs for SEO[01:43:51] <system5__> so I set up a chroot ftp environment plus wordpress in one zone[01:44:06] <system5__> then I wrote a script that used ZFS to clone that environment out 50 times in less than one second[01:44:27] <system5__> so in less than a second, I have 50 virtual servers with 50 wordpress blogs identically configured with different IP addresses and hostnames[01:44:30] <system5__> you can't do that in Linux[01:44:33] <reflect> system5__: look, for most of your things, zones might be great. for the hpc segment.. not so much.[01:44:35] <Rune_> sounds....evil[01:44:43] <Spencer_tt> reflect: well lets say you make and break stuff or just try software on it - you really end up with a lot off error messages now and again - it defeats the purpose of installing a system and making it work[01:45:07] <Rune_> system5__, did those wordpresses work properly?[01:45:10] <system5__> all of my software development is done inside a zone, so if the build breaks something, the damage is contained to the zone[01:45:16] <system5__> yes they worked properly, of course[01:45:24] <reflect> Spencer_tt: ah, perhaps. but I was arguing my own case, which were a hpc cluster shop[01:45:26] <system5__> and I have a ZFS snapshot[01:45:33] <tsoome> reflect: HPC=linuxheads today. too arrogant too see anything else.[01:45:36] <Rune_> system5__, a customer is using wordpress for some project cause the media department heard so much nice about it in the news[01:45:38] <Spencer_tt> reflect: I understand :p[01:45:40] <system5__> if something goes wrong, I can rewind back in time to a snapshot of a working system[01:45:49] <Rune_> system5__, every time they tried to move it, say from one url to another it just fell apart[01:45:54] <system5__> well Linux is good for HPC now ever since SGI added a bunch of patches to it[01:45:57] <Rune_> fortunately I didnt have to debug it :D[01:46:02] <system5__> tried to move what?[01:46:07] <Rune_> wordpress[01:46:09] <Rune_> to a new url[01:46:36] <system5__> I didn't move anything, I created a script that installed a few dozen zones with wordpress installed and ready to go in less than a second[01:46:40] <reflect> tsoome: arrogant? we used SGI up until 4 years ago when their stuff became too slow. arrogance has nothing to do with it[01:46:49] <Rune_> seems there were alot of different places that needed updating, that werent all obvious[01:46:54] <system5__> then these indian guys logged in and started setting it up and using the chroot ftp to upload their wordpress templates[01:47:07] <system5__> it was a dumb one of job I did last week, but still shows the capabilities[01:47:23] <system5__> that are far beyond anything in Linux[01:47:50] <system5__> I also like to install Joomla into a branded Centos 3.9 zone, it nmap scans as CentOS 3.9[01:47:55] <Spencer_tt> turbolinux?[01:48:00] <system5__> then I'll trick some Indonesian or Chinese hackers into hacking it[01:48:04] <Spencer_tt> lol[01:48:08] <system5__> and I will use dtrace to record everything they do[01:48:15] <system5__> make a nice play back movie of the hack[01:48:17] <system5__> it's awesome[01:48:30] <Spencer_tt> yeah get the wm[01:48:32] *** Kedare has quit IRC[01:48:41] <system5__> they have no way of seeing that I"m spying on them since dtrace runs in the global zone which they can't see since they are trapped in the nonglobal zone[01:49:01] <Rune_> you could log in[01:49:02] <Spencer_tt> drop gdm[01:49:02] <_matze> is there something like mosix/openssi for OpenSolaris ?[01:49:03] <Rune_> and give them advice[01:49:36] <system5__> yeah, I usually just zlogin and tell them "thanks for the scripts! :-)" and then power down the zone[01:49:39] <system5__> and they never know what happened[01:49:47] <system5__> Linux Branded zones make great honeypots[01:49:49] <reflect> all I'm saying is, there are some areas where solaris excels, there are some where it just doesn't fit so good.. and there's no point in denying that, no point in being pissy about it.. there is a place for both linux and solaris in this world.[01:50:01] <system5__> I agree[01:50:11] <system5__> I think Linux and NetBSD are better than Solaris for embedded apps[01:50:44] <system5__> in HPC, AIX and Linux seem to have a temporary lead due to all the efforts of SGI and IBM[01:50:59] <reflect> you can add reasearch and probably clusters to that area :)[01:51:03] <Spencer_tt> QNX uses Toaster packages from NetBSD[01:51:03] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[01:51:14] <Spencer_tt> haven't touched it in years[01:51:28] <system5__> but I think Solaris is superior for multithreaded apps inside a single box, like say Asterisk, runs like 3 times as fast on Solaris if you compile it the right way[01:51:30] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #opensolaris[01:51:46] <system5__> and Solaris has superior debugging tools like mdb[01:51:48] <system5__> and dtrace[01:51:50] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[01:51:54] <system5__> there is nothing on Linux that is as good as mdb[01:51:56] <Rune_> that I agree on[01:51:58] <Spencer_tt> yeah[01:52:00] <Rune_> from what I see in osol[01:52:11] <Rune_> it has great monitoring features across the board[01:52:24] <reflect> yes.. sadly, throw money on the problem and it goes away[01:52:29] <system5__> yeah, but they are so complicated to use that noobs can't get a handle on them, unfortunately[01:52:30] <_matze> if i remember right, Solaris is the OS for stability..[01:52:36] <system5__> learning mdb and dtrace is tough[01:52:39] <Rune_> but it still sometimes feel like alienware coming from a linux only world[01:52:41] <_matze> or isnt it anymore ?[01:52:51] <reflect> _matze: it still is[01:52:54] <system5__> what feels like alienware- Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris or Nexenta or what?[01:52:57] <Rune_> telco ppl I know use solaris[01:52:58] <system5__> what distro are you using?[01:53:03] <Spencer_tt> you know you need a pretty decent setup to run osol[01:53:10] <Rune_> opensolaris 2008.11 atleast[01:53:10] <Spencer_tt> 8GB ram imo[01:53:14] <system5__> yeah Solaris and Sun are preferred by Telco people and by the military[01:53:15] <Rune_> 2009.6 was easier to get into[01:53:23] <Spencer_tt> fsb > 800Mhz[01:53:26] <Rune_> but Im a real newbie as far as osol and ralated goes[01:53:26] <reflect> system5__: what distro for what?[01:53:37] <system5__> 2008.11 really sucked, 2009.6 was better, snv_129 was my favorite so far once you get past the apache configuration file that's borked[01:53:50] <system5__> what Solaris / OpenSolaris distro do you use?[01:53:51] <system5__> Solaris 10? Nexenta?[01:54:04] <Rune_> me? or reflect?[01:54:13] <system5__> Nexenta is one of the most popular right now since it is a Debian / Ubuntu userland build on top of a Solaris kernel[01:54:15] <reflect> for storage, nexenta.. but that's nome[01:54:18] <reflect> home[01:54:19] <system5__> @Rune both of you[01:54:31] <Rune_> I use osol 2009.6 now, but have some 2008.11 out there, and solaris 10..[01:54:35] <system5__> @reflect, you buy the Nexenta support? it seemed way to expensive for me, I like the core platform[01:54:45] <Rune_> except, Im not sure whatll happen with the sol10 boxes now.[01:54:46] <reflect> system5__: no, I don't need it[01:54:49] <system5__> @Rune, why not pkg image update all the 2008.11 boxes to 2009.06 ?[01:55:03] <reflect> system5__: the rest I use ubuntu[01:55:03] <system5__> the upgrade from 2008.11 to 2009.06 was always smooth for me with no problems[01:55:14] <Rune_> system5__, I plan on doing an upgrade, but the customer has to shell out for the work[01:55:15] <system5__> I would upgrade before 2010.04 comes out[01:55:24] <reflect> @work it's pretty much centos4 and 5[01:55:33] <system5__> I would just do it for free for the piece of mind[01:55:38] <system5__> * peace of mind[01:55:45] <system5__> since I didn't like 2008.11[01:55:50] <Rune_> well the 2008 servers have been sitting there[01:55:51] <system5__> but thought 2009.06 was improved[01:55:56] <milek> system5_: where did you get stats that Nexenta is most popular? My ipmression is that OpenSolaris distro is most popular OS distribution, nextenta currently is probably 2nd[01:55:58] <Rune_> no issues working flawlessy for a year[01:56:17] <system5__> I meant popular for Linuxheads who just want to dablle with it[01:56:27] <Rune_> we used gentoo as an nfs server before switching to solaris[01:56:29] <milek> ahhh[01:56:30] <system5__> I use Indiana 2009.06 and Solaris 10 myself[01:56:36] <Rune_> solaris, osol tha tis.. works perfectly[01:56:46] <Rune_> when gentoo used to fall apart all the time[01:56:50] <system5__> most people use Nexenta because apt-get is faster than pkg install on 2009.06[01:56:57] <system5__> Ben Rockwood even says as much in his blog[01:57:02] <Spencer_tt> system5: some like myself never get time to click around with Nex[01:57:17] <Rune_> had to run flawed kernels on purpouse cause nfs were broken in later releases[01:57:18] <reflect> though "home" might be diminishing it a bit[01:57:19] <Rune_> long story[01:57:23] <system5__> if you know Ubuntu or Debian, then Nexenta might be for you[01:57:27] *** hunter has quit IRC[01:57:31] <Rune_> Ill look into it[01:57:35] <Rune_> never heard about it until you mentioned it[01:57:37] <duckinator> any suggestions for default fonts?[01:57:54] <system5__> I'll post a link that shows some of the advantages Nexenta has over Debian / Ubuntu[01:58:17] <reflect> Rune_: if you know apt-get and debian/ubuntu, nexenta is a lovely blend.. it has a solaris core, and a gnu userland[01:58:28] <Rune_> sounds like coming home ;D[01:58:33] * Spencer_tt reads and types in Linux Biolinum[01:58:34] <system5__> Rune, book mark these links:[01:58:35] <system5__> http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2008/11/nexenta-can-you-say-solabuntu-part1.html[01:58:47] <_matze> xexenta = solaris ubuntu ?[01:59:09] <system5__> this second link shows how the Nexenta "apt-clone" command uses ZFS to magically fix a broken system:[01:59:10] <system5__> http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2008/12/magical-apt-clone-broken-system.html[01:59:14] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[01:59:20] <reflect> _matze: that would be to simplify things, but something like that, yes[01:59:26] <Rune_> Ill still push forward with osol on the particular project Im doing now tho[01:59:34] <Rune_> but nexenta sounds very interesting for storage :D[02:00:02] <system5__> yeah, I still need to check if Nexenta postfix installation and configuration is as smooth as it is on Ubuntu Server / Debian[02:00:10] <system5__> if it is, I might migrate my mail servers to Nexenta[02:00:12] <Rune_> and I assume the zfs disks can be moved about later anyway[02:00:17] <reflect> I've been running it for 3 years now.. over 30TB of storage.. has worked like a charm[02:00:23] *** TomJ- has joined #opensolaris[02:00:31] *** TomJ has quit IRC[02:00:38] <_matze> k :)[02:00:49] <_matze> but why use solaris if you want gnu ?[02:01:05] <system5__> ZFS works on Nexenta[02:01:08] <reflect> because you want ZFS?[02:01:09] <Rune_> cause it kicks ass :D[02:01:10] <system5__> you have an apt-clone command[02:01:24] <_matze> because you want ZFS and don`t want learn solaris ?[02:01:24] <system5__> the main selling point for me on Nexenta is apt-get being faster tha pkg install[02:01:26] <Rune_> I want zfs, reliable nfs, iscsi snd cifs..[02:01:33] <system5__> because iapt-get has very old, mature code[02:01:47] <Rune_> also avs or similar[02:01:49] <reflect> _matze: because people who have learnt gnu thinks that it's easier?[02:01:55] <system5__> I'm sure pkg install will catch up eventually, but so far it's been the part of OpenSolaris that ticks me off the most[02:01:55] <_matze> hm i thinked pkg is slow because i`m on 3g with 20kb/s ?[02:02:05] <system5__> that could be[02:02:05] <Rune_> but granted avs might be old some say, but it looks great and seems to perform great also[02:02:12] <system5__> pkg install downloads fast[02:02:28] <reflect> _matze: it's not about learning solaris, it's about what you're currently using[02:02:30] <system5__> but it takes too long to "make a plan \ | / | \[02:02:48] <system5__> Solaris 10 is good if you know how to set up and use blastwave to install packages[02:02:53] <system5__> blastwave is faster than apt-get[02:02:55] <reflect> if you have 90 linux systems, you'll prefer a nexenta system.. it's "closer to home"[02:03:05] <system5__> blastwave is the fastest package manager I've ever used[02:03:08] <system5__> on any operating sytem[02:03:12] <Rune_> reflect, thats my exact situation, more or less[02:03:21] <Rune_> add some wintendo for good measure[02:03:24] <nikolam> updates are important.[02:03:29] <reflect> Rune_: just know it's apt-get, not yum[02:03:53] <system5__> Nexenta is good for servers, not good yet as a desktop, for that you really need OpenSolaris Indiana 2009.06 or later[02:03:57] *** duri has quit IRC[02:04:00] <reflect> and, iirc, updates are slower than most distros[02:04:04] <Spencer_tt> mayeb StormOS[02:04:04] <system5__> so you can get all your video codecs and stuff working[02:04:06] <nikolam> system5, StormOS?[02:04:12] <system5__> yeah, StormOS is a one man show[02:04:15] <system5__> needs developers[02:04:16] <Spencer_tt> couldn't get it to run in vbox/xen[02:04:21] <system5__> I heard Belenix was a good desktop[02:04:24] <system5__> has XFCE[02:04:25] <system5__> support[02:04:39] <system5__> they have their own IRC channel at #belenix[02:04:43] <reflect> not sure I'd recommend osol as a desktop, though[02:04:48] <system5__> I use it[02:04:54] <system5__> at work and on a laptop[02:04:57] <reflect> says nothing[02:05:02] <system5__> was better than PCBSD[02:05:06] <system5__> which I used before that[02:05:09] <reflect> people are using plan9, says nothing :)[02:05:17] <nikolam> I am every day more interested to try Storm,Os, too. it has updates[02:05:18] <Spencer_tt> StormOS is based Nex so expect much of the same things[02:05:36] <system5__> why not contribute to StormOs, one man can only do so much work[02:05:39] <system5__> same thing for Milax[02:05:47] <Spencer_tt> I will[02:05:49] <reflect> Spencer_tt: wait, nexenta is based on solaris, and stormos is based on nexenta?[02:06:02] *** duri has joined #opensolaris[02:06:03] <Spencer_tt> well yeah the whole[02:06:08] <system5__> Nexenta is a Solaris kernel with a Debian / Ubuntu userland compiled and built on top of that kernel[02:06:15] <system5__> Nexenta core is a minimal install- like Ubuntu server[02:06:16] <nikolam> reflect, yep :)[02:06:22] <system5__> StormOS is Nexenta with an XFCE desktop[02:06:22] <_matze> like netbsd/debian ?[02:06:36] <_matze> k .. now i understand :)[02:06:36] <Spencer_tt> http://www.stormos.org/[02:06:45] <nikolam> aha _matze[02:06:54] <_matze> oho[02:06:56] <Rune_> nexentra pricing seems midrange[02:07:02] <Rune_> really gotta try it when I get an opportunity[02:07:05] <Rune_> :D[02:07:15] <Rune_> thanks for the tip[02:07:19] <nikolam> and they got updates.[02:07:23] <Spencer_tt> the Stormos screenshots http://www.stormos.org/image/tid/3[02:07:34] <_matze> doenst freebsd support zfs ?[02:07:38] <Rune_> nikolam, thats what makes it especially interesting[02:07:46] <nikolam> Rune_, ++[02:07:48] <Rune_> still going through with learning more osol stuff tho[02:07:48] <_matze> k... its unstable...[02:07:55] <Rune_> :][02:09:16] <system5__> FreeBSD ZFS will be mature and stable within the next year, I hope[02:09:43] <system5__> I still think there is a problem though, FreeBSD doesn't have device driver's for host bust adapters for Fibre Channel San's does it?[02:09:50] <system5__> and how good is iSCSI on FreeBSD?[02:09:59] <system5__> I don't think FreeBSD has something like Comstar for iSCSI[02:10:00] *** ravenslay3r has left #opensolaris[02:10:01] <reflect> well, I'm very glad that in the beginning, there's nothing but solaris.. and towards the end, there's a place for solaris and linux (and everything in between)[02:10:03] <Rune_> nikolam, the silver enterprise lisences looks pretty cheap, 20% of initial fee every consecutive year, right?[02:10:33] <Spencer_tt> I'll be looking at the system core and adding items @ random still have to finish my pending build attempts :p[02:10:37] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:11:18] <nikolam> Rune_, I am not using it yet[02:11:32] <nikolam> I am just thinking will i try it[02:11:33] <Rune_> oh, ok[02:11:51] <nikolam> There is still room to have osol updates after 2010.xx[02:12:07] <nikolam> if not, welcome to laternatives.[02:12:12] <reflect> Rune_: if you'd like to know more.. let me know in private[02:12:15] *** milek has quit IRC[02:12:47] <Rune_> thanks:)[02:13:13] *** bball has joined #opensolaris[02:13:28] <Nemesis> osol is rock solid..[02:13:37] <g4lt-mordant> wait, 20% of initial fee? so for opensol, it's free? ;P[02:13:59] <Spencer_tt> cddl free[02:14:05] <Rune_> nexenta[02:14:09] <Spencer_tt> like ff - flash[02:14:13] <Spencer_tt> ;)[02:14:18] <Rune_> osol is free afaik, yes[02:14:31] <_Trullo> $6400 for 32tb nexenta version? wtf is that about?[02:15:00] <bball> are onnv binaries still published ? I haven't been able to find them on the opensolaris web page[02:15:09] <Rune_> but getting commercialy supported updates for osol is in limbo as I understand it[02:15:30] <Spencer_tt> _Trullo: cheap mass storage[02:15:49] <alanc> onnv binaries are included in the IPS package repos[02:15:59] <_Trullo> you get the hd's too? :)[02:16:27] <Spencer_tt> yep[02:16:28] <alanc> bfu archives of onnv are going away with the conversion of the onnv gate to build IPS natively[02:16:57] <Spencer_tt> all in a box[02:17:08] <Spencer_tt> or boxes :p[02:17:18] <|rt|> _Trullo: go talk to NetAPP for 32TB and that will start to look like a deal[02:18:42] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[02:18:49] <Spencer_tt> alanc: what sort of server storage did you get on high end systems pre 1985[02:19:53] *** nikolam has quit IRC[02:20:00] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[02:21:03] *** davenz has left #opensolaris[02:21:13] <bball> is there a "recommended" way to get to the latest onnv build ? should I just get the torrent or should I be able to install the IPS packages to update from a 2009.06 install ?[02:21:56] <alanc> Spencer_tt: pre-1985 I was in elementary school - storage for me consisted of a backpack and a lunch box, and the only server I knew of was the people who served food in th school cafeteria[02:22:13] <Spencer_tt> no kidding : p[02:22:22] <Spencer_tt> you sound older on the net..[02:22:26] <Spencer_tt> no offence[02:23:20] <alanc> I am 36 - I've been working with Unix systems since 1990, which is nearly forever, but not quite[02:25:06] <Spencer_tt> bball: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AaWk8M7PeQ7BZGNoZHg3dDZfMjk5Zm5tZGNweA&hl=en_GB[02:25:16] <CosmicDJ> 36? with that beard you look like you coded with ken thompsom on that pdp ;)[02:25:17] <Spencer_tt> link to CBE environ[02:25:46] <Spencer_tt> alanc: no way :p[02:25:46] *** agrajag has quit IRC[02:25:48] *** pizdec has quit IRC[02:26:57] <Spencer_tt> bball: you can substitute 125 with the be you need[02:27:14] <bball> Spencer_tt: ty[02:27:40] <Spencer_tt> np[02:29:16] *** TomJ- has quit IRC[02:30:08] <_matze> alanc: which unix systems ? ;)[02:30:37] <jbk> haha[02:30:56] <_matze> :p[02:31:04] <alanc> 1990 would have been when I got my first accounts as a student at Berkeley - class accounts on the DEC Ultrix boxes, personal account on the cluster of Apollo Domain/OS workstations (which were more Unix-like than actual Unix)[02:31:23] <_matze> Decstation :)[02:31:39] *** hajma_ has joined #opensolaris[02:31:49] <alanc> I remember thinking these must be huge mainframe boxes like we saw in the movies when they had over 100 of us logged into one at the same time[02:32:06] <Spencer_tt> that's the 1st year I used a machine - hpc for some strange reason :)[02:32:17] <alanc> I was so disappointed years later when I became and admin and got machine room access and saw it was a "Personal DECstation" about the size of my Mac II[02:32:37] <Spencer_tt> not so sure it's it's 90/91[02:32:38] *** hajma has quit IRC[02:32:42] * jbk didn't get into unix until 1995 or so..[02:32:52] <jbk> on solaris 2.4[02:33:57] <_matze> Decstation was around ~ 1989 if i remember right oO'[02:34:06] <_matze> or earlier..[02:34:40] <_matze> Ultrix gave me some hassle :)[02:35:50] <_matze> have a 5000/120 spare but i have no ultrix there and i didnt want run netbsd on it[02:36:44] <_matze> just got a shellaccount around 96 on one of those things :)[02:38:07] <_matze> hm 2:41 at night and still awake time to shutdown ... lol[02:39:24] <_matze> the 5000/120 had 25Mhz or so oO[02:39:41] <bball> Spencer_tt: it's not letting me use entire at 0 dot 5.11-0.127[02:39:56] <bball> right now I'm booted into a 2009.06 install[02:40:10] <bball> the pkg list shows me everything at 0.5.11-0.111[02:40:28] <alanc> is your opensolaris.org publisher set to the pkg.opensolaris.org/dev repo ?[02:40:42] <bball> probably not :-)[02:40:50] <bball> brb..[02:40:52] <alanc> or maybe they still called it authority in 111b[02:41:01] <Spencer_tt> you need to the package repo[02:41:05] <Spencer_tt> set*[02:42:35] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[02:43:10] <_matze> does oracle continue commercial solaris ? or will it die for now ?[02:43:52] <Spencer_tt> a source of revenue[02:43:59] <Spencer_tt> no way they can stop that[02:44:32] <reflect> they'd have no point in stopping it either[02:44:34] *** p3rror has quit IRC[02:45:32] <_matze> i hope they will continue producing sparc hardware at all.. :>[02:46:18] <Spencer_tt> hmm a Sparc Desktop would be a delight.[02:46:31] * duckinator has never even *seen* a sparc system[02:46:35] *** clint- has joined #opensolaris[02:46:47] * _matze has 3 around him :O)[02:46:50] <reflect> Spencer_tt: you want to buy my e3000?[02:47:07] * duckinator is, sadly, stuck with x86 systems for the time being :([02:47:15] <clint-> hey everyone, I'm getting ready to go to the gym, but.. yesterday when I installed opensolaris, I tried to run the nvidia-xconfig because the refresh rates and display modes aren't right..[02:47:20] <_matze> just old stuff sun4c and if i want a sparccenter 2k[02:47:20] <Spencer_tt> reflect: how old is it :p[02:47:22] <reflect> it has 6x 166 USI[02:47:27] <reflect> Spencer_tt: don't know[02:47:33] <clint-> also.. Sound Blaster Audigy SE need to install driver for that ,and thats the new nice awesome cd slick cd too I got from Sun, : )[02:47:49] <_matze> i didnt like that sun started put IDE Shit into its Workstations ...[02:47:52] <clint-> hey everyone, today was awesome[02:47:59] *** icarus901 has joined #opensolaris[02:48:28] <clint-> it also created, nobody user account, noaccess and nobody4, are they there for reasons, or can I delete[02:48:33] *** sunfun has joined #opensolaris[02:48:38] *** cybernd has quit IRC[02:48:41] <reflect> Spencer_tt: let me show you a picture[02:48:54] <Spencer_tt> yes please[02:48:58] <clint-> hey reflect, Spencer_tt[02:49:11] <_matze> the only bad thing on old sun hardware was the damn nvramn[02:49:13] <alanc> _matze: a very large percentage of Sun's revenue came from SPARC and Solaris, and a very large percentage of Oracle's customers run on SPARC & Solaris - killing it would be completely idiotic[02:49:15] <clint-> juts to let ya know, after 6 years of working with mandrake/mandriva.. I left.. it to open solaris :)[02:49:20] <reflect> http://www.acggbg.org/~reflect/e3000.php[02:49:24] <clint-> and its bad azz, I really like it.. I can also add more repos right?[02:49:43] <clint-> i had these init scripts. attacks in tmp, on mdv. I was pissed, I was like.. thats it.. :P[02:50:03] <reflect> Spencer_tt: 12 years ago, this was KICKASS server[02:50:09] <_matze> alanc: its a decent platform so lets hope they donÌ€t put it in trash..[02:50:09] <reflect> :)[02:50:33] <clint-> its okay to delete the nobody accounts etc.. right?[02:50:37] <Spencer_tt> reflect: it looks like a sgi prism - awesome looking machine[02:50:38] <_matze> but for longterm ? oO[02:50:42] <Spencer_tt> :)[02:50:48] <_matze> x86/x64 is cheaper[02:50:58] <clint-> also .. Maybe I should just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with what i know my monitor is capable of for its refresh rates, and mode lines[02:50:59] <_matze> but sparc runs oracle faster if i right[02:51:03] <alanc> why would they spend 9 billion dollars and then decide to throw it away and lose money? do you really need to hope that a company isn't going to do that?[02:51:08] <_matze> just read it never tried it#[02:51:21] *** Bateau has quit IRC[02:51:30] <alanc> clint-: NFS uses the nobody account[02:51:33] <_matze> alanc: i think sun is the money worth at all[02:51:34] <clint-> that ,and need to get the sound driver working for the Audigy SE, although I can put a cmi audio card in it if I have to, heck, I got a d-link as well for the nick, as I see it likes d-links.. not rhines.. although I see people writing drivers[02:51:40] <reflect> Spencer_tt: the SGI's were usually more.. designed.. the Sun stuff often looks.. different[02:51:50] <_matze> a great company with decent products[02:52:00] <clint-> so yeah , I don't nee dit.. for home wks, and well, I'm seting up osol on my system I'm going to design or whatever, and a thinkpad, and possibly macbook pro as well[02:52:04] <clint-> I really like this system[02:52:22] <clint-> nvidia-xconfig didnt'work right though, and I even ran, xorgconf etc.. but I couldn't even get X to load[02:52:25] <_matze> even apple dropped the ppc :([02:52:25] <reflect> the E3000 and E3500 looks like.. a knee-high, small refridgerator, more or less :)[02:52:28] <alanc> I don't see the point of deleting accounts like nobody[02:52:28] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[02:52:44] <clint-> _matze: , the time it takes to code for pcc[02:52:45] <clint-> ppc[02:52:53] <Spencer_tt> reflect: still Sun had some kick ass designs back in the day[02:52:57] <clint-> vendors feel its easier when they don't have to support so many architectures[02:53:08] <clint-> but heck, code in Qt, and dang it, your code can work on a lot of hardware :- )[02:53:09] *** Thrae has quit IRC[02:53:19] <reflect> Spencer_tt: the had some nice ones, yes.. they had some weird ones too :)[02:53:44] <reflect> like the "let's cool it from side to side" idea, instead of the front-to-back idea :)[02:53:45] <clint-> heck, I"m going to deply open solaris for the new law firm I'll be working for ,as there IT/engineer[02:53:53] <Spencer_tt> the new Octane looks too ordinary :p[02:54:01] <clint-> it was either going to be fedora or mandriva, but I said the heck with it[02:54:01] <Spencer_tt> not very SGI[02:54:10] <forquare> My favourite SPARC server was the v880[02:54:14] <Spencer_tt> under designed :p[02:54:14] <reflect> new octane?[02:54:18] <forquare> Nice beasty thing[02:54:22] <reflect> Spencer_tt: url?[02:54:27] <clint-> so its okay to edit xorg.conf manually without me having issues?[02:54:30] <Spencer_tt> sure[02:54:32] <clint-> I know what hardware specs are etc[02:54:47] <Spencer_tt> reflect: http://www.sgi.com/products/workgroup/octaneIII/[02:54:56] <bball> ok.. I added the dev as my preferred publisher[02:55:02] <bball> but still doesn't seem to be working[02:55:19] <bball> PUBLISHER TYPE STATUS URI[02:55:19] <bball> dev.opensolaris.org (preferred) origin online http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/[02:55:21] <reflect> Spencer_tt: ok..[02:55:22] <bball> opensolaris.org origin online http://pkg.opensolaris.org/release/[02:55:30] <bball> that's what my pkg publisher output looks like[02:55:31] <clint-> heya spencer[02:55:31] <alanc> you can't have both[02:55:36] <clint-> hey alanc[02:55:39] <bball> ok[02:55:44] <reflect> Spencer_tt: that's a.. regular x86 board.. it's not a "real" sgi[02:55:47] <alanc> you need to have just one: opensolaris.org (preferred) origin online http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/[02:55:55] <clint-> those Irix workstations are nice :- )[02:56:07] <Spencer_tt> clint-: very nice :)[02:56:10] <clint-> heck I used to use.. XFS with debian a lot, and gentoo as well[02:56:10] <_matze> sgi is dead for me ;)[02:56:10] <CIA-21> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Oracle dot COM>: 6912096 Compiling perl using -fast produces invalid instruction[02:56:14] <CIA-21> Rajagopal Kunhappan <Rajagopal.Kunhappan at Sun dot COM>: 6932656 "dladm set-linkprop -p cpus" can't take more than 32 CPUs[02:56:14] <CIA-21> Nobutomo Nakano <Nobutomo.Nakano at Sun dot COM>: 6936302 update zoneinfo timezones to 2010f (Antarctica, Syria, Samoa), 6937960 update zoneinfo timezones to 2010g (Bangladesh, Gaza, Russia)[02:56:15] <clint-> I hear ya[02:56:16] <alanc> clint-: you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf all you want[02:56:20] <Spencer_tt> I fell in love with them in 97[02:56:29] <clint-> well was having some issues bud.. nvidia settings are off[02:56:31] *** deirdres has joined #opensolaris[02:56:38] <_matze> Sgi iris indigo ... still love it but for now its too slow[02:56:39] <clint-> display modes.. not to native.. and refresh rates..[02:56:49] <Spencer_tt> clint-: hiya :)[02:56:57] <alanc> then you're into xorg.conf areas I never touch[02:57:13] <alanc> I let the driver pick the right rates, and it usually does a better job than I can[02:57:35] *** thistle__ has quit IRC[02:57:47] <clint-> Dell E196FPf[02:58:03] * alanc has no Dell hardware[02:58:03] *** Goliath^- has joined #opensolaris[02:58:22] <clint-> I'm pretty on positive, Hz is 31.0 - 81.0 and vertical 56.0-76.0[02:58:27] * Spencer_tt has HP and broken Fuji-Siemens[02:58:43] <_matze> hm Dell... wait half a year to get your laptop back from repair with fresh formated harddisk ... suckers[02:58:45] <clint-> mdv.. would set it as , Horiz 31.0 - 83.0 and vert 56.0 - 76.0[02:59:03] <clint-> well its just a display this nice lady sent me back in 2007[02:59:12] <clint-> I like to use.. ViewSonics, LG's , and Samsung displays..[02:59:21] <clint-> and which, LG and samsung make a lot of displays for all the vendors..[02:59:26] <_matze> todays hardware is fast, but not durable...[02:59:31] * alanc has, not surprisingly, Sun, Sun, Sun, and one ViewSonic on the side[02:59:31] <bball> opensolaris.org (preferred) origin online http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/[02:59:35] <clint-> heck when I ran lavalys on a thinkpad T61 I had the display was an LG[02:59:39] <bball> still can't see 134 packages[02:59:47] <bball> pkg list still shows 0.5.11-0.111[02:59:54] <clint-> I'm gettin ready to build a mind blowing workstation.. just not yet :- )[02:59:54] *** deirdres has quit IRC[03:00:08] *** Goliath has quit IRC[03:00:25] <clint-> sold a powerbook g4 I had ,and the guy made out by getting a mac pro tower, because I guess it was a limited edition, but I also made it to where you could control the fans, and other hardware deals..[03:00:32] <bball> attempting a pkg refresh[03:00:39] <clint-> was suppose to get money for this powermac G4, but the guy never paid me[03:00:40] *** jiraia has joined #opensolaris[03:00:47] <_matze> Statement of the week: I need a quadcore for word...[03:00:51] <clint-> should I go ahead and update the system? before installing other stuff?[03:01:39] <bball> still not working :-([03:01:45] <clint-> adobe, sound blaster audigy SE, and the nvidia geforce FX 5200, I just want to get this up and running, so my girl can play for a while, while I'm at the fitness center/ gym[03:01:57] <Spencer_tt> error message bball?[03:02:08] <bball> Try relaxing the pattern, refreshing and/or examining the catalogs: entire at 0 dot 5.11-0.134[03:02:09] <clint-> if anyone can Help me.. I had some big issues yesterday when I tried doing some things.. :P[03:02:26] <clint-> osol told me to run nvidia-xconfig as root and it totally messed everything up : P[03:02:35] <Spencer_tt> O o[03:02:40] <clint-> what was I suppose to run it as like... runlevel 3, telinit 3 etc :S[03:02:40] <Spencer_tt> go on[03:02:51] <clint-> <- 6 year drake user, : P[03:02:55] <bball> pkg: The following pattern(s) did not match any packages in the current catalog.[03:03:03] <_matze> i go off for now :) thx for nice conversation... even if i fucked up your brains :)[03:03:11] <clint-> its okay _matze[03:03:17] <Spencer_tt> reflect: how much[03:03:28] <clint-> Spencer I'm all about supporting the project as well[03:03:45] <clint-> if I can really get to know this system and I will study things on my own.. I'm more than likely going to deploy this system in the law firm[03:03:48] <reflect> Spencer_tt: where do you live?[03:03:57] <_matze> i shouldnt be there drunken and frustrated and talking shit ...[03:03:58] <_matze> %)[03:03:59] <Spencer_tt> UK, Kent[03:04:05] <clint-> I like to code on my own as well, write scripts.. manage hardware, reverse engineer, mix etc..[03:04:21] <_matze> good night :) greets from germany (try german beer)[03:04:22] *** _matze has quit IRC[03:04:23] <Spencer_tt> clint-: it's a good thing[03:04:25] <clint-> was something I actually got Fruity loops XXL 9 working on wine, on mandriva[03:04:28] <clint-> sound and everything[03:04:32] <clint-> and my virtual dj pro 6 as well[03:04:34] <clint-> I kid you not..[03:04:41] <reflect> Spencer_tt: I haven't had it turned on in 2 years.. and, it's worth nothing to me[03:04:45] <clint-> if that is so, then I can configure, it on wine on osol as well : )[03:04:58] <clint-> it is Spencer_tt[03:05:04] <clint-> I see how the security is so much stronger..[03:05:18] <clint-> ZFS is really nice as well compared to EXT4, it kind of reminds me of XFS though[03:05:28] <Spencer_tt> reflect: hmm I need to name a price or you can send it and I'll pay for shipment :)[03:05:35] <clint-> but really fast..and the resources that .. osol runs by default, although, after I intsalled it hee.. boot time takes forever...[03:05:40] <reflect> Spencer_tt: you either pay shipping, plus my troubles.. or you come here, have a couple of beers with me.. and take it home with you..[03:05:41] *** n3kl has joined #opensolaris[03:05:43] <Spencer_tt> clint-: I'm a Traktor DJ ;)[03:05:48] <clint-> I wonder if its just becuase I have to opt , comment the services, uncheck a lotof them[03:05:51] <clint-> nice Spencer_tt[03:05:53] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[03:05:57] <edude03> Hello everyone[03:05:58] <clint-> yeah, I got komplete 6 m8[03:06:19] <clint-> native instruments makes good stuff bro.. Tiesto is a big inspiration for me and micro..[03:06:31] <reflect> Spencer_tt: vacation, sweden..[03:06:34] <clint-> I actually bought a pair of stanton dj pro 2000's back in 2007 for my golden b-day[03:06:45] <reflect> Spencer_tt: if you're interested in odd hardware, I have lots more..[03:06:48] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[03:07:09] <clint-> in the studio, I have project5 setup, komplete 6, in which yeah, everything by native pretty much.. massive, masschine etc..[03:07:15] <Spencer_tt> :)[03:07:20] *** system5__ has quit IRC[03:07:22] <clint-> I love making music Spencer_tt, when I'm not engineering, or troubleshooting some bs[03:07:27] <reflect> Spencer_tt: I'm going to go to bed now.. talk to me tomorrow?[03:07:31] <Spencer_tt> sure[03:07:37] <Spencer_tt> pm is fine?[03:07:54] <clint-> need to get this Sound Blaster Audigy SE working though hee on osol 2009, and the nvidia geforce fx 5200, and adobe all setup[03:07:58] <clint-> you think you could help me bud?[03:08:05] <clint-> if you have time.. that is[03:08:13] <reflect> Spencer_tt: pm is good[03:08:20] <Spencer_tt> cool :)[03:08:22] <clint-> sorry to bother you if your busy[03:08:30] <Spencer_tt> clint-: I'm always busy[03:08:39] <clint-> I got my truck parked illegally lol[03:08:46] <Spencer_tt> were are you based :p[03:08:48] <clint-> its a $275 fine and tow :P[03:08:54] <clint-> me?[03:09:07] <Spencer_tt> yeah[03:09:09] <Spencer_tt> you[03:09:11] <Spencer_tt> :)[03:09:11] <clint-> Peoria IL[03:09:13] <clint-> downtown[03:09:15] <Spencer_tt> Illinois[03:09:17] <clint-> yes[03:09:25] <clint-> google actually might be setting up a 1GB line here[03:09:33] <clint-> if they do, man I have no problems running a repository server for osol[03:09:34] <Spencer_tt> good stuff[03:09:39] <clint-> yeps[03:10:00] <Spencer_tt> well I wish I was back in Africa but you know how it goes[03:10:03] <clint-> although I don't care for google's involuntary , privacy violations, and they know it :- )[03:10:13] <clint-> oh yeah?[03:10:18] <Spencer_tt> maybe[03:10:21] <clint-> hee[03:10:39] <clint-> Audigy SE I should be able to get a driver for eh? do I need to add third party repos or others?[03:10:49] <clint-> I got my osol from Sun, real fast..[03:10:57] <n3kl> clint-: where is "here"[03:11:02] <clint-> although I previously burned 2 disc.. Verbatims, but man I was impressed[03:11:10] <clint-> hello n3kl[03:11:11] <Spencer_tt> umm a support contract can get your problem solved so it's best to enquire[03:11:17] <n3kl> hey[03:11:27] <clint-> I was told there is driver for 2009? though :S[03:11:46] <clint-> I can just yank the card out and put a cmi in it though : -)[03:11:49] <bball> Spencer_tt: seems to be working now.. I had to start over and create a new boot environment[03:11:49] <Spencer_tt> hi n3kl[03:12:01] <clint-> heck I won't bash myself like I did with the broadcom card in debian on an acer aspire I had. back in 2005[03:12:09] <Spencer_tt> bball: good stuff[03:12:12] <clint-> until I realized the thinkpads were the best notebook pc's and also the macbook pro's[03:12:14] <bball> or maybe I just needed to remount the other one.. in any case I nuked the old one and started fresh[03:12:28] <Spencer_tt> clint-: yeah indeed[03:12:34] <Spencer_tt> I love the old thinkpads[03:12:38] *** Goliath^- has quit IRC[03:12:38] <n3kl> So is this oracle announcement for charging and closing some of solaris going to have much effect on opensolaris?[03:12:39] <bball> seems strange that the pkg publisher affects the beadm commands[03:12:49] <clint-> Spencer_tt: , once i familar myself with solaris etc. and unix a lot more.. I can really offer people a lot o rapid help for osol[03:12:53] <Spencer_tt> maybe I'll try the new one some time down the line[03:12:55] <clint-> I work at a pace thats super charged..[03:12:56] <reflect> Spencer_tt: I also have VAXstations. MIPS workstations.. some SPARC stations..[03:13:27] <Spencer_tt> reflect: you got links[03:14:16] <clint-> I also see that, locate and whereis isn't in osol? or solaris[03:14:28] <clint-> is there other commands you can specify to find files or locations of things like say..[03:14:36] <clint-> $ locate xorg , or whereis xorg[03:14:38] <Spencer_tt> well I would need to look at your hardware let me look in to it and I'll get back to you tomorrow?[03:14:48] <clint-> yeah np[03:14:53] <Spencer_tt> slocate <file>[03:14:58] <clint-> like I said I can take out the Sound Blaster Audigy SE and put a cmi in[03:15:02] <clint-> nice[03:15:03] <reflect> not really, buy.. http://www.acggbg.org/~reflect/hp735.php[03:15:27] <bball> is the opensolaris repo slow ? :-)[03:15:40] <reflect> apart from that I have one SS20, SS5..[03:15:42] <clint-> erm..[03:15:59] <clint-> doesn't Audigy SE work though in 2009? or no :S[03:16:00] <reflect> the SS20 has ROSS processors[03:16:18] <clint-> hee, bash: lspci: command not found[03:16:23] <clint-> I feel stupid for mastering linux commands[03:16:25] <Spencer_tt> I really like the Ent 3000[03:16:28] <clint-> all the years.. wasted : ([03:16:32] <reflect> 4 of them, iirc.. and some 500mb of ram[03:16:38] <clint-> :- D[03:16:56] <clint-> I think, Solaris felt bad for the gnu linux users : )[03:17:03] <edude03> Does anyone know if Lustre is stable yet?[03:17:12] <edude03> And what's the best way to export it[03:17:26] * Spencer_tt googles SS20, SS5[03:17:43] <reflect> edude03: lustre has been semi-stable for 3 or so[03:18:07] <robinbowes> Is it normal for an opensolaris system to take a long time to shutdown?[03:18:11] <reflect> Spencer_tt: sparcstation 20, ss5.. the ss10 and ss20 could take cpu modules..[03:18:13] <edude03> What's "semi-stable"?[03:18:20] <clint-> so I can just safely , remove the other users right ,nobody, noaccess and nobody4[03:18:27] <Spencer_tt> reflect: http://www.secdata.eu/pics/ss5.JPG[03:18:28] <clint-> I mean I can always add users later[03:18:30] <robinbowes> I see "syncing file systems" on the console[03:18:35] <Spencer_tt> that's nice[03:18:37] <robinbowes> Been like that for > 1 hour now[03:18:45] <clint-> I bet osol has a way better system than fail2ban, because I don't want even any attemps for ssh logins[03:18:58] <Spencer_tt> reflect: where can one get sparc cpu modules[03:19:03] <clint-> I had some superior hackers, gettin in with ssh ,and I even removed ssh[03:19:07] <clint-> and openssh[03:19:31] <reflect> edude03: we use it in every day research. "stable" in here means.. well.. something that rarely breaks.. ever..[03:19:42] <clint-> spencer , okay to remove those users right?[03:19:48] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[03:19:53] <clint-> that won't have any impact on my new osol install right?[03:19:56] <edude03> so is it a bad idea to use it in production then reflect ?[03:20:10] <reflect> Spencer_tt: ebay, for instance.. iirc, look here, http://www.acggbg.org/~reflect/ss20.php[03:20:31] <clint-> hee, reflect, if you snapshot a stable state, you can always restore a stable state, if needed.. :- )[03:20:33] <reflect> edude03: depends on what you mean with production[03:20:44] <clint-> I think it really comes down to daemon stability .. and environment variables[03:20:54] <clint-> also.. xfce, fluxbox etc..[03:21:03] <edude03> a couple of servers using it to serve up VMs[03:21:09] <reflect> edude03: traditionallym, lustre has been used for.. very large installations..[03:21:18] <edude03> to like 4-6 hardware servers[03:21:23] <edude03> over iSCSI[03:21:25] <reflect> loooots of machines, writing looots of data into a single file[03:21:26] <clint-> as 1 time I used. KDE, when I first got into mandrake.. in 2004, then I seen intsability issues with other distros and I switched to working with gnome, and xfce and fluxbox more and more[03:21:42] <Spencer_tt> reflect: interesting :)[03:21:55] <reflect> we're using it as a glorified nfs server, but with 200 applications[03:22:13] <Spencer_tt> clint-: which users :p[03:22:15] <Spencer_tt> haha[03:22:18] <clint-> hey edude03, reflect, you all know about nvidia geforce FX5200 on Dell E196FPf 19" known xserver issues? and audigy SE?[03:22:36] <reflect> edude03: for most people luste is stable.. for us, lustre is great, but some of our software can sometime trigger a bug[03:22:42] <clint-> hee, I'm just trying to get some very basic functions going on.. the rest I can really indulge my brain into later. on.. and offer help to many people[03:22:46] <clint-> and take the load off you guys[03:22:57] <edude03> clint-: I know of that hardware I couldn't tell you about using it on OSOL[03:23:00] <reflect> Spencer_tt: that SS20 was the pride of my life 10 year ago :)[03:23:05] <clint-> Spencer_tt: , nobody, noaccess, nobody4[03:23:21] <Spencer_tt> clint-: sure ;)[03:23:22] <reflect> I spent fucking weekend trying to compile linux kernels for it :)[03:23:28] <Spencer_tt> rbac makes sense[03:23:32] <edude03> reflect: OK, and iSCSI is fine with a clustering FS right?[03:23:36] <clint-> well the nvidia geforce I should be able to get working no problem, I use to edit Xfree86 on debian, and xorg files in many diff nix distros..[03:23:36] <reflect> weekends[03:23:39] <edude03> oh and is lustre at 3.0 yet[03:23:44] <clint-> the audigy SE if I really have to I can put a cmi audio card in[03:23:53] <reflect> edude03: I haven't tried it personally[03:24:00] <clint-> I mean heck I won't even play, I will just see whats Certified, or even close ... and do away with all non supported hardware[03:24:22] <Spencer_tt> reflect: and now :p[03:24:25] <clint-> I dont' have the time to not be productive, however I"m really interested in switching my customers from mandriva to opensolaris, and I will fund the community[03:24:30] <edude03> brb[03:24:32] *** edude03 has quit IRC[03:24:34] *** p3rror has joined #opensolaris[03:24:36] <clint-> and well, I believe the law firm will back me up as well[03:24:56] <reflect> Spencer_tt: now I've gotten lazy.. I just want it to work..[03:25:05] <clint-> so groups too eh[03:25:12] <clint-> I wonder why it creates these users for live install :S[03:25:15] <Spencer_tt> I'm game to a machine with no work :p[03:25:27] <clint-> deleted ^_^[03:25:47] <clint-> well spencer I don't mind. reverse engineering.. its a challenge. however lately its about productivity[03:25:49] <reflect> spending a weekend, wasting 40 minutes just to compile linux 2.2 SMP so that I could compile linux 2.4 SMP..[03:26:00] <clint-> hee reflect[03:26:07] <clint-> gentoo you can waste tons of valuable time : D[03:26:14] * clint- had his days with gen[03:26:21] *** tosh has quit IRC[03:26:21] <reflect> and back then, there were so many things with linux/sparc that just wasn't right..[03:26:24] <clint-> exhausting months too I tell you[03:26:33] <clint-> same with debian[03:26:40] <Spencer_tt> honestly the only OSs I'll be building around are osol, bsd[03:26:44] <clint-> mandrake/mandriva was pretty much my main system[03:26:56] *** Goliath has joined #opensolaris[03:26:57] <clint-> but security security it degraded, because these attackers are getting so nix smart[03:27:03] <n3kl> osx[03:27:04] <Spencer_tt> my laptop is a workstation[03:27:08] <clint-> however, I been looking at a sonicwall, and a watchguard..[03:27:17] <Spencer_tt> fc12[03:27:19] <clint-> I like watchguards customer service though so much better Sonicwall blows[03:27:20] <reflect> Spencer_tt: then.. before you look at my harwdare, look at what hw osol supports[03:27:26] <n3kl> clint-: go monowall[03:27:28] <clint-> spencer, F12 is bug city[03:27:35] <clint-> well n3kl I can setup a smoothwall pretty easily[03:27:36] <reflect> Spencer_tt: I guarantee nothing in that regard, sorry[03:27:39] <clint-> and other firewalls[03:27:43] <clint-> I just don't have tons of time[03:27:58] <clint-> However, I might find myself setting up. argh, pfsense, or smoothwall .. maybe[03:28:05] <reflect> UltraSPARC I was dropped ages and ages ago[03:28:08] <n3kl> seriously, the install for monwall is litterally, zcat img.gz /dev/sdb[03:28:10] <clint-> yeah, I know monowall is nice too.[03:28:16] <clint-> based off FreeBSD[03:28:17] <Spencer_tt> reflect: I don't like a satisfaction guarantee[03:28:20] <reflect> it was cool 13 years ago[03:28:23] <Spencer_tt> :p[03:28:29] <clint-> I promise you this though[03:28:32] <clint-> SELinux is bug city[03:28:37] <clint-> and fedora is bug city[03:28:40] <Spencer_tt> hmm[03:28:42] <reflect> clint-: SElinux sucks arse[03:28:43] <clint-> use it, test it yourself[03:28:47] <clint-> you'll see[03:28:54] <clint-> yeah.. reflect it does[03:28:58] <clint-> MSEC does too : )[03:29:00] <Spencer_tt> I dropped fc alpha last weekend[03:29:03] <n3kl> I am liking osol more and more, anyone else thinking its going to go away soon?[03:29:06] <clint-> I think its all about designing your own MAC[03:29:08] <reflect> clint-: OpenBSD has the right approach.. before all other OSes, I think[03:29:20] <clint-> you do know what I'm referring to when I say MAC right[03:29:23] <clint-> : P[03:29:29] <Spencer_tt> Mac ain't HPC enough[03:29:35] <clint-> reflect: , I plan on getting into openBSD this year bud[03:29:39] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[03:29:43] <clint-> I have some exp in FreeBSD[03:29:49] <clint-> used to support the PC-BSD project as well[03:30:07] <clint-> I agree with you 120% on openBSD reflect[03:30:07] <reflect> obsd is very different[03:30:11] <Spencer_tt> what happened[03:30:14] <clint-> its primary focus is all about security and cryptography[03:30:29] <clint-> but also.. secure, functional, speed[03:30:40] <Spencer_tt> which is why I like it[03:30:44] <clint-> I'm liking osol a lot though..[03:30:51] <reflect> yes, and some people think it's just about turning services off[03:30:52] <clint-> spencer, : )[03:30:58] <clint-> yep[03:31:20] <Spencer_tt> clint-: I clean my bugs :)[03:31:39] <clint-> the thing is though, now days you need a firewall system, like m0n0wall, pfsense, smoothwall, sonicwall, watchguard, or prosafe, or better you know. zxyel or whateveer[03:32:05] *** comay has quit IRC[03:32:06] <Spencer_tt> yeah[03:32:08] <reflect> twice that, probably[03:32:19] <clint-> I'm looking at a watchguard though[03:32:20] <reflect> one going out, one going in..[03:32:30] <clint-> I wil be honest, I don't care for Sonciwalls customer service[03:32:48] <Spencer_tt> monowall or trustedbsd[03:33:11] <clint-> put it this way, I inquired about a TZ 170 SP right.. and I asked them, this is what I want to know, can you control all ports, 0 - 65535, services, block IP's and block IP ranges, block mac addresses, subnets, host names etc[03:33:17] <clint-> you know what they tell me?[03:33:29] <clint-> I'll have to transfer you to the guy in your State that handles that..[03:33:36] *** deirdres has joined #opensolaris[03:33:48] <clint-> well for 1, I don't want to just deal with 1 person.. secondly if that person is not available. who and the fu** am I going to deal with ..[03:33:54] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[03:34:03] <clint-> me " I'll just buy a watchguard, because I have heard that there customer service blows you away.. period[03:34:04] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[03:34:43] <reflect> well..[03:34:47] <Spencer_tt> hmm[03:34:54] <clint-> yeah its, zyxel , thats 1 attacker I nmapped was running[03:35:06] <clint-> they muts be some good hardware firewalls*[03:35:09] <clint-> must* argh[03:35:18] <reflect> I kind of work for a company where I would never have to consider sonic wall or.. whatever[03:35:27] <clint-> I hear you reflect[03:35:32] <clint-> I'm actually purchasing 1 for my home[03:35:36] <clint-> ^^[03:35:41] <sstallion> jmcp: ping[03:35:41] <clint-> I'm that paranoid of a user,[03:35:56] <reflect> all I know is that they have at least 2 different firewalls before it reaches me..[03:35:59] <clint-> come to find out though, coders, hackers, security experts that work for the NSA, are paranoid as well[03:36:06] <clint-> just an example[03:36:08] <reflect> I think one of them is cisco[03:36:13] *** edude03 has joined #opensolaris[03:36:23] <Spencer_tt> hehe[03:36:27] <clint-> I programmed this linksys wrt54G , with the dd-wrt and I did it in a terminal using tftp[03:36:27] *** andersenep__ has joined #opensolaris[03:36:32] <clint-> it uses iptables..[03:36:52] <Spencer_tt> brb[03:37:02] <clint-> you can be like.. iptables -A INPUT -s ip.add.re.ss -j DROP[03:37:13] *** andersenep has quit IRC[03:37:14] *** andersenep__ is now known as andersenep[03:37:20] <clint-> or drop all tcp ports accept 80, 443, and 21, or whatever[03:37:44] <clint-> but its memory is not enough to filter all ports 0 - 65535[03:39:00] <clint-> thats where you have to get into setting up your own firewall box or investing in a sonicwall, watchguard , zyxel etc vyatta,[03:39:34] <clint-> because it has more memory, and features, and firmware capacity to handle every single type of attack, and also deep packet inspection, and more IPS< and IDS features and the list just keeps going on[03:39:39] *** andersenep_ has quit IRC[03:40:03] <clint-> okay.. so I should just use the package manager to install adobe?[03:40:08] <clint-> or do the pkgadd etc[03:40:18] <reflect> these days, you have to filter both the incoming and the outgoing traffic[03:40:33] <clint-> dam I love osol. .the dang speed is awesome[03:40:40] <clint-> it just feels secure as heck[03:40:46] <clint-> or is it just me :S[03:41:07] <clint-> yes, your right reflect and I agree[03:41:22] <clint-> because someone can just use a persons IP as a dns[03:41:30] <clint-> and spam servers, gov etc..[03:41:53] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[03:42:01] <clint-> as they were doing to mine and I traced this back to a 2wire hack.. and I got so much evidence now, and detailed packet captures, and nmap's etc.. and I been working with US-CERT on a lot of cyber security attacks[03:42:08] <clint-> and alot from .. China as well, reflect[03:42:53] <clint-> hey reflect, you think you could help me get the Audigy SE sound working, and nvidia geforce fx5200 and adobe flash..[03:43:20] <clint-> I just need to get this setup, then I'm off to the gym and working out for like 2 hours.. and enjoying the sauna, jacuzi, and steam room : )[03:43:36] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[03:43:44] <clint-> I need to go burn off a lot of energy[03:43:50] <reflect> I don'think so.. I was a sol user, then fbsd, then linux..[03:44:08] <reflect> I mean, that was some 7 years ago[03:44:23] <clint-> ah thats weird.. nvidia geforce fx 5200 shows. vgatext.. : P[03:44:30] <Spencer_tt> clint-: what was your fist system[03:44:36] *** jiraia has quit IRC[03:44:37] <Spencer_tt> first :p[03:44:39] <clint-> win 3.1[03:44:44] <clint-> ; )[03:44:46] <Spencer_tt> when[03:44:51] <clint-> in middle school lol[03:44:58] <Spencer_tt> hmm[03:45:10] <clint-> the first pc I owned was a packgard bell, with I can't rem how much mem, 512mb hdd, win 95, and that was back in 97[03:45:11] <reflect> how about you state your exact os.. then what happens?[03:45:31] <clint-> lol do I have to go back that far, lol I have worked with so many diff linux distributions its not funny[03:45:45] <clint-> I could just study and get this done, but lol i was hoping you guys might not mind :S[03:45:59] <reflect> clint-: well you asked for help with nv[03:46:01] <clint-> my girl will be without sound.. until I get back, and low resolution. and adobe : P[03:46:17] <clint-> need the Audigy SE working too, or I can just yank the bastard out, and put the cmi audio card in[03:46:18] <clint-> ^^[03:46:41] <reflect> for a desktop OS.. ubuntu is your friend[03:46:41] <Spencer_tt> get a external[03:46:46] <clint-> and geesh, boot up time takes forever lol. the live cd booted faster than ever[03:46:48] *** davenz has joined #opensolaris[03:46:49] <clint-> I have 1[03:46:57] <clint-> I built a sabrent 320GB seagate I put in it..[03:47:02] <clint-> also a nextstar[03:47:05] <clint-> mobile..[03:47:13] <clint-> reflect: let me put it this way[03:47:17] <clint-> I will go to openBSD[03:47:22] <clint-> before I use a linux system again[03:47:39] <Spencer_tt> I tried OpenBSD last year don't piss of the devs :p[03:47:40] <clint-> secondly. if I can not make progress in osol, I tell you this.. I will master openBSD in 5 years[03:47:51] <clint-> spencer, don't plan to :- )[03:47:56] <Spencer_tt> good.[03:47:58] <clint-> it will probably be a solo project.. =)[03:48:02] <reflect> clint-: then, before I ask my next question.. what is your goal.. and what do you want to avoid?[03:48:17] <clint-> well, pretty much just need your basic hardware support sound etc..[03:48:27] <clint-> if I have to make sure i get hardware that osol supports, then I will[03:48:36] <clint-> I was kind of planning on instaling osol on all the systems at the law firm ^^[03:48:42] <reflect> yes, that's so basic any OS can do it..[03:48:44] <clint-> I can sure, go with macs, fedora , mandriva etc..[03:48:48] <reflect> what more.. ?[03:48:57] <clint-> but I'm tired of linux instability.. deamon conflicts.. bugs, etc..[03:49:07] <clint-> I could go on and on and on, but I dont' feel like wasting my energy on that[03:49:19] <clint-> I was a mandrake /mandriva user for 6 years this year... I started on mandrake 10.0[03:49:24] <reflect> ok[03:49:28] <clint-> I can reverse engineer as well,[03:49:34] <reflect> all I can tell you is this[03:49:39] <clint-> I'm just needing some quick help, i understand if you all are busy its np[03:49:45] <reflect> I have two points of vies[03:49:46] * Spencer_tt prefers forward eng...[03:49:50] <reflect> view[03:49:56] <reflect> one from 8 years ago[03:50:01] <Spencer_tt> reverse eng is a must[03:50:05] <reflect> freebsd was just.. lovely[03:50:06] <clint-> I will study when I get back ,and the girl wil be without sound, adobe flash, and display issues until I edit xorg manually.. install adobe, and study how to use solaris ,and osol...[03:50:14] <clint-> I mean thats what the administrative guide is for right, and all the wiki's..[03:50:16] <clint-> : )[03:50:23] <clint-> yes spencer.. its my passion[03:50:44] <reflect> clint-: I mean it.. it was.. wow.. however, had ubunty been around that time, I would have picked that[03:51:06] <reflect> clint-: however, I tend to not use many features. I stay one release behind[03:51:11] <clint-> I flashed my bios chip, on a machspeed motherboard thats in this workstation, machspeed told me I had not registered for the warranty, so I studied for a weekend back in 2007, and learned how to reprogram the eeprom chip, then I thought the linux bios project was cool and then coreboot[03:51:22] <reflect> that means that for me, things are stable[03:51:37] <Spencer_tt> well I just installed fc12 with rawhide on to build chromium/-os[03:51:41] <clint-> you see.. thinkin outside the box ,also spent bloody 7 months with hacking firmware on a broadcom chip that was a waste of time but okie, got it working way better then ndiswrapper..[03:51:54] <Spencer_tt> and check out other OS on VMs :)[03:51:56] <clint-> its all about when it comes to notebook pc's.. hands down.. the thinkpads[03:52:00] <reflect> I don't care about the latest "wobbly windows".. I want to be able to watch my movie, do my email, my bank errands, etc..[03:52:14] <clint-> second.. macbook pro's, and for workstations etc.. well, Asus motherboards and other systems whatever you prefer[03:52:26] <clint-> lol spencer[03:52:34] <clint-> I wish you a good experience with F12[03:52:43] <clint-> =)[03:52:57] <clint-> I hear you reflect[03:53:09] <reflect> clint-: you mentioned a girlfriend and movies..[03:53:26] <reflect> you also said stable[03:53:26] <Spencer_tt> I've been using it unfortunately since 02 then RH 6.2[03:53:33] *** andersenep_ has joined #opensolaris[03:53:36] <reflect> clint-: have you tried fbsd?[03:53:37] <clint-> I dropped debian etch for lenny testing, just so I could compile compiz and the fusion packages from git.. I wrote a script what a person could install in 15 mins or so, that took me 8 hours to get up and running[03:53:40] <Spencer_tt> I'm used to it thanks :)[03:54:13] <clint-> ah dang, pastebin.ca is down? internal 500 error :S[03:54:30] <clint-> if you look it up sometime, pastebin.ca Zoo or clintsnet reflect[03:54:39] <clint-> reflect: , yes[03:54:58] <clint-> FreeBSD, Freesbie, PC-BSD, DesktopBSD,[03:55:15] *** andersenep__ has joined #opensolaris[03:55:16] <clint-> I just havn't messed with.. openBSD< netbsd, dragonfly. and all the bloody others : )[03:55:21] <Spencer_tt> DesktopBSD, is obsolete[03:55:24] <clint-> yea[03:55:30] <clint-> thats way back though your talking*[03:56:00] <clint-> I'm focused on getting things where I want them with osol.. helping the community because from the first day I came here, everyone has been cool, and patient with my hyper az[03:56:04] <reflect> clint-: well.. you want stable, I give you fbsd[03:56:13] <Spencer_tt> clint-: good luck[03:56:17] <clint-> well, I installed osol[03:56:19] <clint-> : )[03:56:38] <clint-> are you telling me. to leave osol.. gee , its free will : ) and ambition[03:57:00] <clint-> man I said the heck with working with mdv, after 6 years***[03:57:03] <Spencer_tt> clint-: be prepared to fix your own bugs and get a support contract when things get real tough.[03:57:10] <clint-> np[03:57:20] <clint-> hopefully I can do so .. : )[03:57:26] *** andersenep has quit IRC[03:57:26] *** andersenep__ is now known as andersenep[03:57:26] <reflect> not at all.. but, osol may not be aimed towards the desktop or individual.. as you'd like.[03:57:29] <clint-> I think I have what it takes.. anyways..[03:57:37] <reflect> but hey, that differs, you know[03:57:38] <clint-> its okay.. : D[03:57:57] <clint-> I really like the blazing speed of ZFS, and I'm tired of waiting on btfrs, and linux sucks my ba***[03:58:02] <clint-> is that enough for ya : D[03:58:05] <clint-> : P[03:58:14] <clint-> 6 bloody years wasted..[03:58:25] <clint-> heck I should of invested in a sun system way before eh : P[03:58:29] <reflect> I kinda like just doing a "install xine" to get what I need installedf[03:58:35] <clint-> or heck, why not even got into openbSd back then[03:58:41] <clint-> hee[03:58:45] <Spencer_tt> if you say so.[03:58:54] <clint-> well can't you compile from source on osol? I would think so[03:59:01] <Spencer_tt> just give it a go[03:59:05] <clint-> what is it, a proprietary system then? uh, the terms stated it wasn't*[03:59:08] *** andersenep_ has quit IRC[03:59:13] <clint-> so meh -_-[03:59:19] <reflect> clint-: done that, spent months on it, won't do it again[03:59:34] <clint-> I should just go ahead and do an update then on this fresh install, also I wanted to speed up the boot as well ^^[03:59:42] <reflect> clint-: what is the point of compiling from source, really?[03:59:44] <clint-> on what reflect?[03:59:54] <clint-> I spent 6 months tweaking a gentoo installation.. from min cd[04:00:01] <clint-> and compiling the kernel, and everything[04:00:11] <clint-> and flagging literally every hardware[04:00:15] <clint-> device etc[04:00:21] <reflect> clint-: and what did it get you?[04:00:23] <clint-> sometimes I guess we just do things[04:00:31] <clint-> a well performing system..[04:00:32] <reflect> spending all that time..[04:00:34] <clint-> until udpates came : )[04:00:52] <reflect> hehe[04:00:55] <clint-> point is.. its time too much for someone that has a lot of time[04:01:02] <reflect> I longer spend much time tweaking[04:01:06] <clint-> debian ,worked with it and used it from sarge - lenny[04:01:10] <clint-> left the biatch[04:01:18] <clint-> ubuntu from hedgehog - LTS[04:01:21] <clint-> left the B***[04:01:41] *** mmealling1 has quit IRC[04:01:41] <clint-> knoppix, xandros, fedora core from the first build.. in 2005, -, mandrake, started on it.. - mdv 2010..[04:01:41] <reflect> Bitch?[04:01:46] <clint-> yeah..[04:01:58] <clint-> gentoo, back track.[04:02:02] <clint-> now back track I do like though.[04:02:15] <clint-> and I use trinity as well[04:02:20] <reflect> well..[04:02:29] <reflect> I'm lazy[04:02:35] <clint-> point is though, I was inspired by . Solaris, and by this whole osol community.[04:02:37] <reflect> I don't care about bling-bling[04:02:43] <clint-> if your telling me to get unspired then I'm saying.. meh : )[04:03:00] <clint-> yeah, I'm not focused on all the effects and stuff, I can configure that later if I want..[04:03:13] <reflect> I generally stay some 4-5 months behind the ubunty releases[04:03:20] <clint-> my main focus is security, good range of printer support ,which I see osol has that right off the bat.. better than linux etc..[04:03:23] <clint-> ZFS,[04:03:25] <clint-> bam[04:03:32] <reflect> I have no problems, I do nothing exotic[04:03:37] <clint-> authentication, cryptography. bam[04:03:43] *** bubbva has quit IRC[04:03:44] <clint-> I hear ya[04:03:59] <reflect> clint-: I use obsd to kill off anything from the outside..[04:04:03] *** randw has quit IRC[04:04:05] <clint-> I feel its more about being focused, with certain things.. but then again, I think osol will do just fine and then some[04:04:12] <clint-> btw, nice to meet ya reflect[04:04:14] <clint-> clint is my real name so[04:04:27] <reflect> where are you from?[04:04:29] <clint-> hee[04:04:32] <clint-> Peoria, IL[04:04:34] <clint-> a lame city[04:04:37] <clint-> : P[04:04:46] <reflect> as in.. the USA?[04:04:50] <clint-> I' need to go to the gym lol[04:04:51] <clint-> yes[04:05:03] <clint-> where Caterpillar orginated from and did every worker bogus[04:05:12] <reflect> it's 4AM in the morning, and I'm Andreas..[04:05:17] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[04:05:20] <clint-> heck, I got laid off from a cAT company last year.. and now.. I'm setting up this new law firm.. and they were like, will go with whatever system you choose[04:05:41] <reflect> I'm from the northen europe, and I'm so tired I'm about to fall asleep..[04:05:54] <clint-> and 3 weeks paid vacation my first year, and the money I was making slaving. working with Tractor parts, working mandatory 56 hours a week, and sometimes I would work more to make extra cash you know..[04:06:26] *** mmealling1 has joined #opensolaris[04:06:30] <clint-> and make that kind of money, working 8 - 4:30, mon - fri, and all hollidays off.. and I'm really excited about this.. but I dont' even have to be there full time, I can come and go, and thats what I have verizon limited for[04:06:39] <clint-> ah I see bud[04:07:08] <clint-> should I just use the package manager to intsall adobe flash then, not the package on adobe's site?[04:07:41] <clint-> whats the sound mixer osol users.. as like.. alsamixer?[04:07:49] <clint-> maybe I can manually bring up the levels[04:07:56] <reflect> always use what's best for your os :)[04:08:06] <clint-> : )[04:08:22] <reflect> ot[04:08:30] <reflect> it's 04:15...[04:08:40] <reflect> bedimte. night[04:08:52] <clint-> so i need to install gstreamer eh?[04:09:17] <clint-> looks like I need to add more repository servers as well[04:09:21] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[04:11:22] <clint-> heh, driver vgatext, are you kiddin me[04:11:29] <clint-> and I thought it had Zero configuration[04:11:34] <clint-> son of a bi***[04:12:22] <clint-> so it wants to name the new boot environment opensolaris-1, is that okay to allow for default?[04:12:28] <clint-> is that like the new kernel or something :S[04:13:00] <clint-> heck with it, I'm going to the gym[04:14:23] <clint-> does anyone know where firefox plugin directory is located on osol.. I tried. slocate firefox[04:14:26] <clint-> argh : ([04:14:29] <reflect> what is "it" you're talking about?[04:14:55] <reflect> name-version.. etc?[04:15:12] <clint-> okay I found it[04:15:30] <clint-> its in , /export/home/clint/.mozilla[04:15:37] <clint-> have to get used to where things are : )[04:16:50] *** p3rror has quit IRC[04:17:06] <clint-> heck I would think just create plugin dir , in /export/home/clint/.mozilla/firefox/plugins[04:17:23] <clint-> and then , cp libflashplayer.so[04:17:31] *** dduvall has quit IRC[04:18:26] <duckinator> hi from my laptop :P finally set everything up[04:18:29] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[04:20:26] <clint-> this is what I did, cp libflashplayer.so /export/home/clint/.mozilla/firefox/plugins/[04:20:49] <clint-> I made plugins, dir, then just said heck with it, I will manage flash in user accounts, forget installing it in system wide[04:20:51] <clint-> heya duckinator[04:21:10] <clint-> rebooting firefox going to see if this works. then I will test oepra[04:21:12] <clint-> opera* later[04:21:39] <clint-> argh.. didn't work[04:22:47] <clint-> lmao I have to copy it to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/[04:23:29] <clint-> but erm, thats system wide, :S[04:24:16] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[04:24:36] <clint-> heck with it, I copied it to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ I can always remove it[04:24:56] <clint-> got it, yay .. flash[04:26:37] <clint-> okay when I get back, I'm going to swap out the creative labs audigy SE, with the cmi audio card, please tell me theres support for cmi audio cards eh?[04:31:57] *** miltondsilva has joined #opensolaris[04:32:57] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[04:33:28] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[04:35:49] *** vraa has quit IRC[04:38:35] *** miltondsilva has quit IRC[04:40:02] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[04:44:48] <forquare> I know it's a really bad idea, but what file do I edit to allow root logins over SSH?[04:45:53] <jamesd_laptop> forquare, /etc/ssh/sshd_config[04:46:12] <Andys^> forquare: you need to turn the root account into a user instead of a role, using rolemod[04:46:15] <jamesd_laptop> forquare, you also have to convert from a roll to a user... google that as well[04:46:22] <jamesd_laptop> Andys^, you beat me too it[04:46:24] <Andys^> a jam roll? :P[04:46:32] <forquare> Haha[04:46:34] <jamesd_laptop> cinamom[04:46:36] <forquare> Cheers guys :)[04:49:08] <forquare> Mmmm, damn guys, you've made me hungry now! 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I' just going to put the cmi audio card I got .. that should work..[08:36:35] <clint-> then I'm going to edit xorg.conf how it should be, and input the specs, because its way off[08:36:50] <clint-> Fitness center sure feels good to work out, and blow off steam[08:39:18] *** eleusis has quit IRC[08:39:53] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[08:39:53] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[08:41:01] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[08:41:38] *** leito has quit IRC[08:41:42] <clint-> does anyone know why after you install osol, the startup time takes a century, but when you load the live cd it doesnt' take that long? is that because you have to edit all the services, ?[08:42:02] <clint-> it like takes 5 - 10 mins to load lOL[08:42:05] *** leito has joined #opensolaris[08:43:19] * clint- studies the osol administrative guide.. also gets ready to put that cmi audio card in.. as well as .. hacking the xorg.conf and making it right.. ; )[08:44:52] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[08:45:26] <clint-> nice, you can just unchekc SSH server[08:48:15] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[08:48:27] *** hajma__ has quit IRC[08:49:30] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[08:50:28] *** Bateau has quit IRC[08:50:40] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[08:51:07] *** tg` has joined #opensolaris[08:51:19] *** tg` is now known as tg[08:51:33] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[08:51:40] <causality> clint- apparently it takes longer to boot after a change has been made[08:52:57] <clint-> heya causality[08:53:07] <clint-> I'm worn out from working out at the gym.. ; )[08:53:19] <causality> alrighty then[08:53:24] <clint-> well I was blown away at how long it takes to boot up.. lol after you install osol[08:53:39] <clint-> I always like netinstalls, mdv, gentoo, debian, fedora , etc[08:54:02] <causality> fast boot is rarely one of my requirements[08:54:19] <clint-> I'm going to take out the Creative Labs sound blaster audigy se, wanker sound card, and put the cmi audio sound card I had put in this dimension etc, its a good card, i think it should work[08:55:13] <clint-> I guess theres no support for it, so.. and I have to manually edit xorg.conf because its using some bs.. vgatext, and I got a nvidia geforce FX 5200, on a dell E196FPf[08:55:30] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[08:55:46] <clint-> I know the h and v refresh rates its capable of, and its not in the correct values, either is the display modes. but after I' done, this osol will be tweaked. to heck[08:56:02] <clint-> how are you causality[08:56:08] <clint-> morning*[08:56:24] *** luc^ has quit IRC[08:56:50] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:57:08] <causality> i am cool[08:57:55] <tg> back.[08:58:05] <causality> front[08:58:56] *** Error404NotFound has joined #opensolaris[09:02:51] <clint-> I'm thinking the CMI audio card should work eh?[09:03:01] <clint-> after all they write linux drivers and unix drivers i think as well[09:03:39] <clint-> I'm putting together and assembling a new workstation.. soon anyways.. so.. this is just pretty much temp.. but my girl is using it too[09:03:57] <clint-> and I think, and pretty much have decided to deploy osol for the law firm as well[09:06:36] <clint-> this looks cool, http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/desktop-workstations/index.html[09:08:15] <causality> they're alright for specific applications but i personally would find it a limiting desktop environment[09:08:46] <clint-> ; )[09:08:47] <causality> they're also $3[09:08:49] <clint-> yeah, I like to build[09:08:53] <causality> $3k[09:09:12] <causality> i was referring to the hardware and software combination[09:09:13] <clint-> asus motherboards, etc.. with performance towers..[09:09:25] <clint-> I was using aerocool extremengine 3t's but I' not using them again[09:09:41] <clint-> every time I build a system , or whatever, sometimes I use diff towers..[09:09:58] <clint-> and I look on performanc-pcs.com and then I see if newegg carries it[09:10:09] <clint-> ah[09:10:56] <clint-> I think thats funny.. unbreakable linux[09:10:57] *** Goliath^- has joined #opensolaris[09:11:12] <clint-> heh.. its about time eh.. you think, I just don't even care for it anymore[09:11:58] <clint-> finally made the switch the other day causality, but I killed xorg. lol. well it told me to run nvidia-xconfig and I did!, then it left me with a non functioning xorg.conf , lol, so I ran xorgconfig, however I should of made a dang backup.. first...[09:12:26] <clint-> and for some reason.. slocate xorg isnt' working? am I issuing the wrong command?[09:13:41] <clint-> heh, doesn't even look like its running on xorg. displays.. vgatext or whatever..[09:13:51] *** twisti has quit IRC[09:14:17] <causality> clint-: my desktops run windows.[09:15:01] <clint-> I run windows in virtual machines[09:15:04] <clint-> f*** windows[09:15:07] *** Goliath has quit IRC[09:15:20] <clint-> I work on the sucker too dang much and fix it all the time for people. and I'm dropping the support for doing so[09:15:21] <clint-> : )[09:15:29] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[09:15:36] <clint-> windows is the poorest coded system, crap system, ever[09:15:44] * causality yawns[09:15:51] <clint-> yawn for infinity[09:15:59] <clint-> if I had a billion dollars, to invest in a company[09:16:03] <clint-> I would invest it in osol[09:16:07] <clint-> I really like the feel man..[09:16:08] <clint-> and thats that[09:16:26] <clint-> otherwise I wouldn't be here[09:16:54] <causality> i'm here but i'm not a zeolot..[09:17:03] <clint-> I turn down so many jobs.. because I can't stand to work on windows anymore..[09:17:36] *** kinkie has joined #opensolaris[09:17:46] <clint-> I would rather turn into a buddha, and go live in the mountains, then use windows[09:18:18] <causality> each to their own[09:18:23] <clint-> exactly[09:18:30] <clint-> so how long have you worked with solaris?[09:18:45] <causality> on and off about 12 years[09:18:46] <clint-> or :S[09:18:51] <clint-> nice[09:19:08] <clint-> osol is pretty mush solaris right?[09:19:10] <causality> i'm not a support person..[09:19:14] *** alanc changes topic to "ON 135, IPS 134 ( Release notes: http://bit.ly/d4N8N2 & x86 ISO torrent: http://bit.ly/9F12It ) | Docs: (READ THEM!) http://cli.gs/87t7SH | Sysadm Guide: http://cli.gs/54pBU9 | Linux->Solaris migrants: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html | Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ | 134 IS NOT 2010.03! | We know 2010.03 is late. We don't know when it will be released."[09:19:24] <clint-> like how.. Cent OS is red hat linux enterprise, just without the logos[09:19:37] * alanc forgot to save the pre-April-Fools topic, oh well, that's close enough[09:19:42] <clint-> do you know. centos is rhle .. its just got the trademarks and logos removed lol[09:19:53] <causality> clint- that isn't the case.[09:19:56] <clint-> lol alanc[09:20:09] <clint-> it is[09:20:11] <clint-> ask #fedora[09:20:22] <alanc> clint-: if you know RHEL, then opensolaris is more like Fedora - the development branch updated more often than the enterprise release[09:20:23] <clint-> rhle is based off fedora anyways[09:20:27] <clint-> period[09:20:43] <clint-> everything that fedora upstreams, and claims stable and so on..[09:20:48] <clint-> rhle evolves from that[09:20:54] <causality> RHEL is more than just code..[09:21:03] <clint-> I dont' care for it much though[09:21:04] <causality> it's a service.[09:21:12] <clint-> as I used mandrake on into mandriva for 6 years[09:21:14] <alanc> Solaris 10 is the 5.10 branch, OpenSolaris is the 5.11 branch that will someday become the next Solaris enterprise release[09:21:17] <clint-> and now, left it for osol[09:21:33] <clint-> well thats cool : )[09:21:40] <palowoda> alanc: You know if Intel is doing the driver for the 3150 graphics chip and will end up in opensolaris?[09:21:45] <clint-> I'm glad to be using it.. : )[09:21:58] <alanc> palowoda: I have no idea what graphics chip that is[09:22:01] <clint-> I'm going to buy shirts and all, and advertise it on my trucks and boats and everything[09:22:10] <alanc> I can't keep up with all the new graphics chips[09:22:13] <clint-> : D[09:22:27] <palowoda> alanc: Appearently it's on the D510 dual core Atom.[09:22:28] <clint-> fu** new 1's are coming out left and right alanc[09:22:29] <alanc> if intellinuxgraphics.com says they'll support it, it should end up in opensolaris eventually[09:22:36] <causality> clint-: i occasionally wear an openbsd t-shirt.[09:22:42] <clint-> hee[09:22:45] <clint-> I plan too ; )[09:22:47] <vraa> fedora doesnt update as often as opensolaris i think[09:22:50] <vraa> neither does ubuntu[09:22:57] <clint-> openBSD I will get into. as I been studying the wiki's and documentations..[09:23:00] <alanc> pretty much everything they make inhouse gets supported, the crap they license from PowerVR for atom just loses[09:23:06] <clint-> I will do an install.. probably for my 28th birthday : D[09:23:13] <causality> clint- it only takes 10 minutes[09:23:21] <clint-> causality: , faster than that actually[09:23:32] <alanc> fortunately, I don't work on drivers, so I don't need to know[09:23:42] <clint-> I did a debian etch net install in 10 mins with a 28mbps connection throughput[09:23:50] <clint-> you can get an openBSD install in 5 mins or less[09:23:56] <causality> clint-: have you tried?[09:24:03] <clint-> I know what it takes causality[09:24:06] <clint-> I have done so many gentoo intsalls[09:24:12] <clint-> from min cd etc..[09:24:13] <causality> openbsd is nothing like those.[09:24:17] <clint-> I know this..[09:24:25] <clint-> I know the design though of openBSD[09:24:26] <alanc> if you google it, and there's hits on the first page with phoronix going off on how poulsbo sucks, then forget it[09:24:41] <clint-> man i will do it 1 day. and let you know how it goes.[09:24:49] <clint-> you want me make a dang reality show out of it : P[09:24:53] <causality> clint- i know how it goes :)[09:24:58] <clint-> k then ; )[09:25:03] <clint-> you run it ?[09:25:09] <clint-> thousands do[09:25:18] <causality> yes..[09:25:19] <clint-> not sure if millions do : )[09:25:34] <causality> there aren't millions of much other than windows[09:26:49] *** mdoneal has quit IRC[09:26:50] *** deirdres has quit IRC[09:26:55] *** deirdres has joined #opensolaris[09:27:06] *** e1kg has quit IRC[09:28:15] <clint-> I wish I had a time machine, so I could go back, and never ever touch foot on windows.. all the years of working with it, and still working on it.. has been such a waste of time and life..[09:28:28] <clint-> =)[09:29:48] * causality doesn't care much for o/s zeolots[09:29:56] <clint-> Microsoft does not know how to design a secure system, neither will they[09:30:13] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[09:30:26] <causality> actually, microsoft developers are very smart people.[09:30:44] <clint-> they won't design something that will run stable, why.. then they dont' have to pay for the IT's and companies dont' have to pay for all the staff , IT's etc, and security companies, like symantec, norman, ESET, bitdefender, Trend, sophos, F-Secure, etc[09:30:44] <BankerBarney> whats the command to list all your ide devices..like say I wanna know what my cdrom drives are from command line[09:30:48] <causality> there's a difference between what you'd like to do and what you're allowed to do.[09:31:04] <causality> clint-: windows is stable.[09:31:06] <clint-> there not smart, I beg to differ[09:31:12] <causality> you dont know what you're talking about..[09:31:20] *** nikolam has quit IRC[09:31:22] <Rune_> 2003 and 2008 are pretty stable :)[09:31:40] <causality> Rune_: so what 2k[09:31:41] <Rune_> 2000 was not so nice, but also pretty stable[09:31:42] <causality> so was..[09:31:44] <clint-> if they were smart they would quit microsoft, and go work for apple, or sun/oracle whatever it is now.. SGI, watchguard, or other security companies etc[09:31:52] <clint-> I do causality[09:32:17] <clint-> like I said, if they were smart, they would find something to do more productive and better there time with, and work on something thats actually worth engineering[09:32:38] <causality> yeah, working on the most successful products in the world isn't worth it.[09:32:51] <clint-> as you put it, 2 each there own[09:32:57] <clint-> thats why we all have free will..[09:33:07] <causality> there is no "two each their own" when you're discussing facts[09:33:12] <clint-> I'm not a pestomistic person by all means.. I'm very open minded, and I consider the source[09:33:32] <clint-> I'm not going to go on and on about this, so.. : -)[09:34:00] <clint-> I'm actually worn out. and I'm going to have fun working with osol more and more, and more and more and more and more, and so much more.. and then more[09:34:14] <CodeWar> BankerBarney, /usr/ddu/bin/i386/all_devices[09:34:51] <clint-> and then enjoy this weekend at a mexican party , with all kinds of good food.. and drink a little bit, and forget about the tech stuff,.. because I let my mind drift off into my own Zen world..[09:35:03] <clint-> and you know what, I hope you have a good weekend as well.. ; )[09:35:24] <clint-> I'm a protagonist, not an antagonist[09:35:24] <causality> have you considered sedatives, clint-[09:35:37] <clint-> I know the human cycle. and cogantive distortions..[09:35:46] <clint-> cognative*[09:35:50] <clint-> physchology[09:35:55] <clint-> so..[09:36:14] <clint-> why don't you ask yourself that, I don't need to take pain medicine, or anything to alter my chemistry son[09:36:15] <BankerBarney> ok, thank you CodeWar[09:37:15] *** nikolam has joined #opensolaris[09:37:17] <clint-> I seen you going on with another user in here the other day, but I'm not going to give you victory of doing so.. I know you see things your way, and I see things my way ,thats cool and we can part our ways now..[09:37:52] <clint-> why don't you go out and get some Sun, Vitamin D, its good for the body and soul..[09:39:22] <clint-> the coding of windows sucks period, the new technology file system isn't new, and its a piece of crap design file system table, the kernel is not even advanced or ready for multi architecture processing.. windows xp is in i386 mode class.. and even uses drivers and kernel files that win 3.1 had[09:40:05] <clint-> Dos or FreeDos is pretty much the only good thing of windows[09:40:37] <clint-> ^_^[09:41:50] <clint-> its a problematic system, always will be[09:43:34] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[09:44:29] <clint-> unless they completely rewrite the entire system and redesign its file system directory structure, write high standards of proactive defense for the registry.. in fact, design a way better registry system then the 1 they have... have way better shells like cygwin, or better.. engineer a fast performing file system, that doesnt' fragment and wear out the arms of hard drives that eventually after the arm has seen its days it fai[09:45:19] <clint-> Have a good weekend, everyone.. : )[09:45:57] <clint-> sorry for the trolling*[09:46:04] <Rune_> I bet you arent :p[09:46:09] <clint-> I am[09:46:25] <clint-> I just can't write enough about how windows blows** beyond infinity[09:46:50] <clint-> and I'm not going to waste anymore time on it, or flood the channel about it.. tomorrow.. I'm back to being productive with osol..[09:46:58] <clint-> thank you all for being kind.. and patient with me..[09:47:33] <clint-> I guess I'll try to take causality's advice.. maybe I should get a vicadin or whatever eh.. be a zombie eh.. don't even know whats coming or going. eh.. nah, I will not do that.. but I will try to calm down[09:47:47] <clint-> peace[09:47:58] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[09:47:58] *** clint- has left #opensolaris[09:48:21] *** ganbold has quit IRC[09:48:26] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[09:51:29] *** vivid has quit IRC[09:52:26] *** vivid has joined #opensolaris[09:53:10] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[09:58:41] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[09:59:53] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:07:18] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:12:31] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[10:21:08] <mui_> W/ 27[10:21:10] <mui_> rr[10:21:33] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[10:25:40] *** Stellar has quit IRC[10:27:30] *** ganbold has quit IRC[10:27:44] *** vraa has quit IRC[10:31:06] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[10:35:08] *** Shoggoth has joined #opensolaris[10:38:11] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[10:38:54] *** chendy has quit IRC[10:39:02] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[10:57:39] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[11:01:24] *** deirdres_ has joined #opensolaris[11:01:24] *** deirdres has quit IRC[11:01:25] *** deirdres_ is now known as deirdres[11:02:42] *** jv__ has quit IRC[11:03:35] *** jv_ has joined #opensolaris[11:06:13] *** Error404NotFound has quit IRC[11:07:32] <lblume> The IPQoS in OpenSolaris is just a pass/drop thing, right? it doesn't do anything fancy like trying to throttle incoming traffic by playing with the TCP window or similar?[11:08:49] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:10:35] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[11:11:00] *** eleusis has quit IRC[11:12:15] *** eleusis has joined #opensolaris[11:12:54] *** aszeszo has quit IRC[11:13:46] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[11:14:03] <ivo_> hey guys I just replased a 500Gb drive with a 1TB drive[11:14:10] <ivo_> and the pool is still 500GB[11:14:20] <ivo_> what do I have to do[11:14:28] <ivo_> in order to make the pool grow to 1TB[11:14:43] <DerSaidin> what kind of pool is it?[11:14:52] <ivo_> it is a zpool[11:14:59] <DerSaidin> mirror? raidz?[11:15:00] <ivo_> mirrored[11:15:12] <ivo_> but I detached the one drive[11:15:16] <DerSaidin> did you replace all of the disks in the mirror with 1TB disks?[11:15:19] <sickness> so don't you have to replace both drives?[11:15:24] <ivo_> and left the pool with only one hdd[11:15:28] <ivo_> and then replaced it[11:15:40] <DerSaidin> so you have a 500G and a 1TB on either side of a mirror?[11:15:56] <ivo_> no I habve no mirror anymore[11:16:00] <ivo_> it is just one drive[11:16:02] *** devians has quit IRC[11:16:24] <ivo_> i first run detach and removed the one drive[11:16:32] <ivo_> and left the pool with only one drive[11:16:33] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[11:17:13] <tsoome> export /import that pool?[11:17:22] <ivo_> http://pastebin.com/Jb3G2Fxz[11:17:30] <ivo_> it is about drive c4d1[11:17:37] <ivo_> tsoome I'll try this out[11:18:12] <echobinary> hey alright - there are people alive in here[11:18:33] * echobinary is zfs/opensol n00b[11:18:54] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[11:19:03] <tsoome> or zpool set autoexpand=on[11:19:11] <echobinary> can anyone tell me how to backup a zpool (or filesystem) to another local zpool incrementally?[11:19:47] *** deirdres_ has joined #opensolaris[11:19:48] *** deirdres has quit IRC[11:19:48] *** deirdres_ is now known as deirdres[11:19:50] <tsoome> echelog: man zfs search for send and receive[11:20:13] <echobinary> I assume that was meant for me?[11:20:14] <tsoome> or use some other backup utility, which can di incremental[11:20:30] <tsoome> ah, yes, stupid autocomplete:D[11:22:23] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[11:22:28] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[11:22:43] <echobinary> I actually have searched for zfs send/rcv - and I've made a snapshot, sent it, rcvd'd it, and restored it - but I guess I just am such a noob or am not getting the incremental part - esp since id be comparing it across two zpools, the hope is not to keep a bunch of snapshots around on the original zpool[11:23:04] <echobinary> perhaps im not getting a fundemental part of the process (I've been up for a loong time so that might be contributing)[11:23:24] <tsoome> to do incremental with zfs, you need to have 2 snapshots[11:23:40] <echobinary> hmm[11:23:49] <echobinary> I see[11:23:59] <echobinary> the oldest being the comparison for the incremental[11:24:10] <tsoome> yes.[11:24:17] <echobinary> so id always keep two around and always delete the oldest after making the new one[11:25:05] <echobinary> I think I can tolerate keeping two up to three snapshots around[11:25:55] <echobinary> ok, so if I have a "base" filesystem, and then subdirectories (which are also their own filesystems) if I make a snapshot of the base filesystem... does that log the info in the "children" filesystems?[11:26:39] <tsoome> use snapshot -r[11:27:08] * echobinary nods[11:27:10] <echobinary> ok cool[11:27:12] <echobinary> thank you[11:27:18] <echobinary> this was most helpful[11:27:24] <tsoome> you are welcome[11:27:29] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[11:27:34] <ivo_> tsoome 10x[11:27:38] <ivo_> it is working fine now[11:28:14] <ivo_> mkfile is taking forever to make 900g file[11:28:21] <tsoome> you missed that one: tsoome: or zpool set autoexpand=on[11:28:25] <ivo_> if I use dd[11:28:41] <ivo_> will I be able to use lofiadm to use it as disk?[11:29:01] <tsoome> sure[11:32:49] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris[11:33:46] *** luc^ has quit IRC[11:36:03] <ivo_> to create 10GB file I need a fraction of the second[11:36:13] <ivo_> to create 900GB is taking forever[11:36:14] <ivo_> ...[11:36:31] <ivo_> dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=4194304 count=225000[11:37:04] <ivo_> should I write a lot more at once??[11:37:54] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[11:38:45] <tsoome> 900gb is quite some file:)[11:39:05] <ivo_> I want to use it as a encrypted partition[11:39:23] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[11:40:07] <ivo_> it is almoust done[11:40:08] *** hsp has quit IRC[11:40:15] <ivo_> it is on 700gb right now[11:42:08] *** forquare has joined #opensolaris[11:42:17] <ivo_> it is done[11:45:57] *** chendy_ has joined #opensolaris[11:45:57] <nikolam> Hi, anyone knows, is it this 134 update available now, still the same as few weeks ago?[11:45:59] <ivo_> but I just made a mistake[11:46:04] <nikolam> IPS[11:46:13] <ivo_> I want to use /dev/urandom to create my file[11:46:20] <ivo_> in order to fill it with junk[11:47:29] *** chendy has quit IRC[11:47:34] *** chendy_ is now known as chendy[11:49:49] <lblume> nikolam: Yes, it is.[11:50:34] <nikolam> lblume, what do you think would be the best way to iclude myself in testing or something, in the moments before release?[11:50:49] <nikolam> since i ma still on 131 due to X freezing on intel problem[11:51:07] <nikolam> Could I add something new to 134 and do testing?[11:51:20] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[11:51:25] <lblume> Yopu can update to 134.[11:53:39] <echobinary> how does one update to 134?[11:55:09] <wdp> btw, never go to an operation without stopping smoking first[11:55:31] * wdp isn't allowed to smoke since yesterday, this is making me crazy :|[11:55:44] <echobinary> operation?[11:55:50] <wdp> btw. osol not working on small netbooks?[11:56:03] <wdp> echelog, they removed my wisdom teeth[11:56:08] <CoolMa> lblume: pkg image-update // man pkg[11:56:09] <echobinary> gah[11:56:13] <palowoda> Oh crap Sunay Tripipathi left Sun/Oracle http://sunaytripathi.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/its-not-a-goodbye-leaving-oracle-but-not-solaris/[11:56:14] <echobinary> tab complete.. lol[11:56:17] <wdp> err. echobinary :)[11:56:19] <wdp> sry :>[11:56:22] <echobinary> s'all good[11:56:28] <echobinary> 2nd time that's happened[11:56:57] <wdp> echobinary, yeah well and for obvious reasons im not allowed to smoke :)[11:57:16] <echobinary> actually - tghey aren't so obvious - why can't you smoke?[11:58:16] *** chendy has quit IRC[11:58:28] <wdp> echobinary, the "wounds" could open again due to the "pressure" when smoking[11:58:41] <echobinary> ahh gotcha[11:58:42] <wdp> anyway[11:58:45] <wdp> btw. osol not working on small netbooks?[11:58:51] <echobinary> so this isn't before or during the operation[11:58:56] <echobinary> but after the operation[11:59:01] <wdp> echobinary, jup.[11:59:07] <echobinary> I take it using straws is forbidden for the same reason?[11:59:18] <wdp> straws?[11:59:22] <echobinary> yeah[11:59:31] <echobinary> sucking liquid up throuhg a straw?[11:59:32] * wdp searches a dictionary[12:00:00] <wdp> ah. strohhalm[12:00:00] <wdp> :p[12:00:09] <wdp> well, i didnt asked, but i guess the same, ye[12:00:10] <wdp> :p[12:00:12] <echobinary> strohhalm?[12:00:16] <echobinary> wot?[12:00:21] <wdp> straw = strohhalm in german :p[12:00:24] <echobinary> oh![12:00:26] <echobinary> gotcha[12:02:46] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[12:04:12] <Rune_> um, is friday a bankday in the us?[12:04:32] <wdp> i can give you my bank data and you transfer me a bit[12:04:37] <wdp> i can tell you then[12:04:43] <echobinary> Friday?[12:04:43] <wdp> :>[12:04:49] <echobinary> yes I believe it is[12:05:02] <echobinary> oh.. "Good Friday"[12:05:08] <Rune_> :Z no emails then[12:05:09] <echobinary> yeah I think banks are open here[12:05:18] <lblume> CoolMa: ?[12:05:37] <Rune_> so its not a bankholiday then[12:06:06] <echobinary> I don't think so no[12:06:37] <Rune_> norways littered with bankholidays now.. everythings been closed since yesterday and will be until tuesday[12:06:51] <Rune_> except for saturday, but then its saturday obviously :][12:06:54] <echobinary> O_o for "easter break"?[12:07:03] <Rune_> yes[12:07:47] <CoolMa> lblume: you need to follow /dev and pkg image-update[12:08:00] <lblume> CoolMa: What are you talking about?[12:08:11] <CoolMa> update to snv134[12:08:21] <lblume> I know very well how to do updates, thank you very much. It's not me who asked.[12:08:31] <CoolMa> sorry then[12:08:40] <lblume> np[12:09:43] <lblume> palowoda: What was he involved in? Crossbow?[12:09:46] <echobinary> it was me who asked[12:09:59] <echobinary> CoolMa: how exactly do I do what you said?[12:10:07] *** milek has quit IRC[12:11:21] *** Mousk4r1 has joined #opensolaris[12:11:29] <CoolMa> first you need to add the publisher (repository)[12:11:38] <palowoda> lblume: He was the team leader of the crossbow project for many years.[12:11:38] <CoolMa> like pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/ dev[12:12:06] *** Mousk4r has quit IRC[12:12:43] <CoolMa> sorry now it must be: pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/ opensolaris.org[12:13:26] <CoolMa> rfersh the cataloge: pkg refresh opensolaris.org[12:13:34] <lblume> CoolMa: He had laready stated that he was in b131, so he is already using dev. Beside,the name of the publisher must be opensolaris.org, "dev" is not a good choice.[12:13:50] <lblume> palowoda: When did that project start, actually?[12:13:51] <CoolMa> I mentioned already[12:14:16] <lblume> Yup,messqages crossed each other :-)[12:14:26] <CoolMa> now update: pkg image-update[12:14:51] *** Goliath^- has quit IRC[12:15:08] <CoolMa> reboot and you yre done[12:15:26] <echobinary> its Creating Plan \|/-[12:15:47] <echobinary> b.t.w. - thank you for the step-by-step -- appreciated :)[12:15:54] <CoolMa> ok[12:20:07] *** bitvector2 has quit IRC[12:20:55] <eklof> Now when there are EU-mirror, pkg is really fast and nice to work with :=)[12:23:30] *** Mousk4rak1 has joined #opensolaris[12:23:48] <tsoome> :D[12:24:06] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:24:50] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[12:24:51] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[12:24:51] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[12:25:05] <ivo_> tsoome[12:25:09] *** Mousk4r has joined #opensolaris[12:25:15] <ivo_> if the 900g file goes corrupt[12:25:19] *** dacek has joined #opensolaris[12:25:23] <ivo_> and I still have a snapshot[12:25:39] <ivo_> I will be able to recreate it, right??[12:25:47] <tsoome> you can rollback snapshot[12:25:49] <ivo_> even if I have dedup on[12:26:06] <ivo_> I am asking because the file is giant[12:26:15] <tsoome> eeeh dedup, sure. but why you are using dedup on it?[12:26:31] <ivo_> now dd is running from urandom to create it again[12:26:37] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[12:26:44] <ivo_> but it is taking a while even on a quad core sytem[12:26:48] <tsoome> it wont give enough "back" for the price you pay[12:27:11] <ivo_> what do you mean[12:27:11] <tsoome> dedupe needs a lot of memory[12:27:20] <ivo_> I have 8GB[12:27:21] *** Mousk4r1 has quit IRC[12:27:42] *** bitvector2 has joined #opensolaris[12:27:55] <tsoome> every write needs to scan trough existing blocks to see if the data is already there....[12:28:02] *** Mousk4rak1 has quit IRC[12:28:35] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[12:28:41] <tsoome> whats your current dedupe rate anyhow?[12:29:03] *** dacek has left #opensolaris[12:29:08] <ivo_> it is bad[12:29:09] <ivo_> 1,06[12:29:10] <ivo_> :D[12:29:18] <tsoome> exactly[12:29:38] <ivo_> cannot set property for 'datastore': 'dedup' is readonly[12:29:43] <tsoome> if you wanna justify the ram usage etc, you wanna see dedupe rate at least 5:1[12:29:46] <ivo_> ...[12:30:38] <tsoome> for that kind of rate you are seeing, you probably wanna just use compression and not dedupe[12:30:43] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[12:31:28] <ivo_> zfs dedup=off datastore[12:31:33] <ivo_> it is taking a while[12:31:35] <ivo_> ..[12:32:03] <lblume> Are you using dedup/compression on that 900GB encrypted file?[12:32:10] <ivo_> yes[12:32:16] <ivo_> I am using compression[12:32:22] <ivo_> and now no more dedup[12:32:26] <lblume> Inside the file, or on the FS containing the file?[12:32:34] <ivo_> on the FS outside[12:32:41] <lblume> It's completely pointless.[12:32:52] <lblume> Encrypted files can't be compressed, by definition.[12:33:08] <ivo_> yes but there are other stuff around the file[12:33:24] <ivo_> I have my 2TB zpool[12:33:36] <ivo_> and there resides my 900Gb file[12:33:39] <lblume> Can't you put it on its own FS? It'll just cause cperformance degradation.[12:33:48] <tsoome> you can create separate dataset for that 900gb file, leave compression off there; and compress rest[12:33:48] <ivo_> I can[12:34:41] <lblume> Piling up CPU-intensive operations (encrypt./decrypt, dedups, compress/decompress) is not too good for perfs :-)[12:37:00] <ivo_> I just did that[12:37:07] <palowoda> Heh compressing or encrypting a 900gb file has got to be worth a coffee break.[12:37:29] <ivo_> I want to store some sensitive data there[12:37:30] <lblume> Several, at least :-)[12:38:18] <ivo_> do you think it will take long to mount the file over lofi[12:38:20] <ivo_> ??[12:38:21] <RoyK> ivo_: I think I'd turn off comperssion and dedup on that dataset i f I were you[12:38:59] <palowoda> lofi mounts a filesystem image.[12:39:20] <ivo_> yes I am going to create a ufs filesystem in that file[12:43:38] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[12:48:14] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:48:59] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #opensolaris[12:51:29] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[12:51:52] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[13:00:25] * Mousk4r lunch time :D[13:05:11] *** dunc has quit IRC[13:07:57] *** kpt-pejsek has joined #opensolaris[13:08:47] <kpt-pejsek> heya .. brand new with opensolars .. (brand =~ 2hrs)[13:08:55] <kpt-pejsek> only little Q:[13:08:56] <eklof> nice, welcome :)[13:08:59] <kpt-pejsek> thanks[13:09:12] <kpt-pejsek> is the main online repo CSW ?[13:09:19] *** edude03 has quit IRC[13:09:21] <kpt-pejsek> ps . i know very good solaris[13:09:46] <eklof> csw?[13:10:06] <kpt-pejsek> eklof: imho csw is prefix for blatvawe packages[13:10:17] <kpt-pejsek> like SFW is sunfreeware[13:11:08] *** ThothCrimson has joined #opensolaris[13:12:14] <eklof> dont know blatvawe[13:12:45] <eklof> the only official repo is the one set in the install, and of course there is the /dev as well.[13:12:45] *** rayel74 has joined #opensolaris[13:13:49] <kpt-pejsek> http://www.blastwave.org/[13:16:16] <eklof> most ppls don't recommend that repo and it seems off-line most of the time anyway[13:16:51] *** kmays has joined #opensolaris[13:17:06] <kpt-pejsek> eklof: well .. it seems (fast look: pkg publisher) like i have not enabled any online repo[13:17:27] <houst0n> Don't use the IPS repo at blastwave[13:17:33] <houst0n> If you want to use our stuff, please use pkgutil[13:17:46] <eklof> kpt-pejsek: seems odd, there is always one enabled by default after install[13:18:06] *** forquare has quit IRC[13:18:10] <kpt-pejsek> eklof: uf. ok. it is already[13:18:21] <eklof> anyway, i need to go, bbl[13:19:02] <kpt-pejsek> bye[13:21:10] *** robinbowes has joined #opensolaris[13:27:18] *** RoyK has quit IRC[13:29:27] *** kmays has quit IRC[13:30:03] *** kpt-pejsek has quit IRC[13:30:43] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[13:31:26] *** kpt-pejsek has joined #opensolaris[13:33:07] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[13:33:45] <RoyK> I wonder when the first 4TB drives will arrive[13:34:34] <Andys^> given that they now have 1TB 2.5" laptop drives.... probably not too long :)[13:34:48] <Andys^> they'll have 4KB sectors though, which will shake things up a bit for ZFS users[13:35:05] <RoyK> doesn't zfs handle that?[13:35:32] <dnaumov> not when the drive lies outwards about its sector size[13:35:34] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris[13:35:47] <dnaumov> combined with the fact that zfs uses variable sizes in the filesystems[13:36:55] <dnaumov> 4TB drives are not coming anytime soon either way, there is very limited need for drives when cannot be booted from at all when using regular BIOS and drives which basically require GPT[13:37:03] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[13:37:05] <dnaumov> need/demand[13:37:43] <RoyK> I guess using native 4kB sectors might fsck up backwards compatibility[13:38:27] <dnaumov> if drives > 2TB in size came out today, less than 1% of systems available right now would be capable of booting off them[13:38:42] <dnaumov> some Dell machines and ironically, some Macs[13:38:49] <RoyK> kidding?[13:38:53] <dnaumov> nope[13:39:20] <RoyK> oh - ic[13:39:25] <RoyK> the DOS partition table problem...[13:40:14] * RoyK remember the 3ware controllers had (or have) a 2TB split flag to deal with that[13:40:20] <dnaumov> in most cases, booting off a GPT disk requires EFI (regular BIOS will not do)[13:40:21] <RoyK> so most BIOSes doesn't support GDP?[13:40:33] <RoyK> ok[13:40:50] <dnaumov> and EFI is currently avaiable on Dells and Macs :)[13:40:54] <RoyK> I wonder why EFI hasn't made it to the consumer market yet - seems to me it's a good idea[13:41:12] <Andys^> firstly, i dont boot off my big storage drives, and secondly, even if i did, all the supermicro servers support EFI BOOT afaik[13:41:15] <tsoome> really hope that dumb pc bios madness woud go away:([13:41:18] <tsoome> would*[13:41:45] <dnaumov> FreeBSD uses a workaround for allowing to use GPT with regular BIOS systems, it writes a tiny bootloader into protected MBR[13:42:01] <dnaumov> so BIOS reads that, launches the minibootloader, which in turn can deal witH GPT[13:42:13] <Andys^> ZFS does support 4kb sectors, afaik, but i assume it means the minimum block size becomes 4kB[13:43:56] <RoyK> I think minimum block size is 4k already[13:44:01] <Andys^> nah, its 512 bytes[13:44:08] <RoyK> not on zfs[13:44:23] <RoyK> lemme check[13:44:43] <Andys^> ZFS files smaller than the recordsize are stored using a single[13:44:46] <Andys^> filesystem block (FSB) of variable length in multiple of a disk sector[13:44:49] <Andys^> (512 Bytes).[13:46:53] <RoyK> damn - you're right - I just tried to set recordsize=512 and it works - wonder what I did wrong last I tried[13:47:01] *** kwinz3_ has quit IRC[13:47:12] <tsoome> it definitely works:D[13:47:18] <Andys^> yes[13:47:21] <tsoome> we did fun test with that[13:47:24] <Andys^> so small files are space-efficient[13:47:31] <Andys^> but won't be anymore with 4kB minimum sector size[13:47:48] <tsoome> set oracle redo recordsize 512 and got 60K IOPS out of disk array:D[13:48:28] <snuff-home> ur just mean tsoome ;)[13:48:45] <Andys^> yeah, i think 4kB is the most standard size to use for random IOPS measurement[13:48:46] <tsoome> to the machine? no we wanted to see where the limits are[13:48:53] <Andys^> less is cheating :Pheheh[13:49:16] *** soro has joined #opensolaris[13:50:07] *** gebi has quit IRC[13:50:45] <RoyK> but I agree with Andys^, I don't really need to boot from a 4TB drive, the root is mostly on small SSDs on newer servers, but a truckload of 4TB drives will give me twice the space as the same load of 2TB drives :)[13:50:58] *** soro has quit IRC[13:51:59] <Andys^> yeah[13:52:06] <Andys^> and less spindels per GB, and less reliability[13:58:08] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[14:03:59] <RoyK> Andys^: with sufficient redundancy, that shouldn't be a problem[14:06:00] <tsoome> less spindles = less iops[14:06:11] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[14:10:09] *** encephalon has joined #opensolaris[14:18:41] *** bitvector2 has quit IRC[14:20:34] *** bitvector2 has joined #opensolaris[14:22:08] *** aszeszo has joined #opensolaris[14:29:07] *** vmlemon has quit IRC[14:29:10] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris[14:32:34] *** t3hrealadamd has joined #opensolaris[14:33:09] *** t3hrealadamd has quit IRC[14:36:47] <RoyK> scrub: scrub in progress for 21h36m, 3.73% done, 558h15m to go[14:37:52] <RoyK> it only took like 48 hours last time, so I hope these numbers are wrong[14:38:10] <taemun> lol[14:38:15] <taemun> it does a load of tiny files first[14:38:19] <taemun> metadata and the like[14:38:23] <taemun> then it does a lot of streaming writes[14:38:32] <taemun> that percentage and the timer don't take that into consideration[14:39:31] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[14:39:32] <taemun> Total Posts: 9[14:39:33] <taemun> Posts Per Day: 0.00[14:39:39] <taemun> erm sorry wrong black window[14:40:05] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[14:40:07] *** milek has quit IRC[14:40:39] <kpt-pejsek> haha .. why they are claiming taht opensolaris is ready to use even if ipfstat -io shows, that no rules are up[14:41:16] <kpt-pejsek> for a desktop system which would possible use a not yet adult and responsible people :D[14:42:03] <kimc> i have Xvnc working on b134 and then noticed a recent thread on opensolaris-discuss: ConsoleKit/gdm not detecting Xvnc failure[14:43:12] <RoyK> taemun: sure, but it's been running for almost 22 hours already[14:43:24] <taemun> go look at iostat[14:43:55] <taemun> or iopattern.sh[14:43:56] <taemun> or something[14:44:08] <taemun> there will be loads of tiny random reads until it clears the metadata[14:44:15] <RoyK> iostat -xd shows all 21 drives in 3xraidz2 runs at ~18% (%b)[14:44:24] <tsoome> bitesize.d[14:44:25] <taemun> scrub is single threaded[14:44:42] <taemun> if you count up all of the ops per vdev, you'll prolly see that it about adds up[14:44:49] <taemun> (I believe its single threaded per vdev)[14:44:56] <RoyK> I heard there are works in progress to split scrub and other zfs operations into more threads[14:45:01] <taemun> yeah[14:47:35] <kpt-pejsek> iz over there some preconfigured firewall?[14:47:41] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[14:48:13] <tsoome> feel free to create configuration and publish it[14:48:24] <kpt-pejsek> tsoome: hey. yur back i see[14:49:26] <kpt-pejsek> tsoome: i don't plan to bother with such a thing :D .. i simply: pass in quick on e1000g0[14:49:29] *** soro has joined #opensolaris[14:49:32] <kpt-pejsek> pass in block all[14:49:44] <tsoome> it wouldnt hurt to have some nice "hardening" package. seriously[14:49:54] <kpt-pejsek> tsoome: ^^ right? i am not netadmin and my human memory contains a holes[14:50:10] <tsoome> get ipf-howto:)[14:50:34] <kpt-pejsek> errr .. pass in quick port 22 on e1000g0 ## ithought[14:50:34] <tsoome> and i think its rather block in all;[14:50:46] <kpt-pejsek> tsoome: yeah .. i wanted port 22[14:51:14] <tsoome> then block in all; pass in quick port 22 on e1000g0;[14:52:05] *** kinkie has quit IRC[14:52:15] <tsoome> but still, not sure about exact syntax, its a while since i did those configs:)[14:55:10] <kpt-pejsek> tsoome: ipf -l pass -F i quick port 22 on e1000g0[14:55:24] <kpt-pejsek> ^^ iz a bloody different then on solaris[14:56:20] <tsoome> its the same ipf. cant be different;)[14:56:22] *** soro has quit IRC[14:56:48] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[15:01:57] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[15:06:45] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #opensolaris[15:13:12] <kpt-pejsek> tsoome: uff .. my memory holes. we need to read it from file[15:13:35] <tsoome> /etc/ipf/ipf.conf or something like that[15:14:51] *** ImmerDerBest has quit IRC[15:14:54] *** ImmerDerBest has joined #opensolaris[15:17:44] *** gebi has quit IRC[15:18:16] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:19:17] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[15:24:16] *** kwinz3_ has joined #opensolaris[15:26:55] *** richb has joined #opensolaris[15:29:05] *** RoyK has quit IRC[15:30:14] *** bitvector2 has quit IRC[15:30:42] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[15:34:13] *** Hazelesque has quit IRC[15:34:45] *** Hazelesque has joined #opensolaris[15:35:15] *** kimc has quit IRC[15:40:21] *** xapiens has joined #opensolaris[15:40:37] *** gebi has quit IRC[15:47:47] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[15:48:31] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[15:48:48] *** twilling has quit IRC[15:50:43] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[15:51:00] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[15:51:10] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[15:51:55] *** Mick27 has joined #opensolaris[15:52:13] *** GhostInTheShell has quit IRC[15:52:17] *** GhostInTheShell has joined #opensolaris[15:52:18] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[15:52:43] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[15:53:46] *** TommyTheKid has joined #opensolaris[15:53:49] *** TomJ- has joined #opensolaris[15:55:50] *** nanase has joined #opensolaris[15:58:12] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[15:58:36] *** deirdres has quit IRC[15:59:12] *** eXeC001er has joined #opensolaris[15:59:34] *** PhlowX has joined #opensolaris[16:00:14] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[16:00:26] <eXeC001er> Hi[16:00:59] <eXeC001er> which verison of OS has support for DDRdrive X1 ?[16:04:39] *** gebi has quit IRC[16:05:07] *** twilling has quit IRC[16:05:45] *** twilling has joined #opensolaris[16:06:14] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[16:06:43] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[16:10:49] *** gebi has joined #opensolaris[16:14:38] *** agrajag has joined #opensolaris[16:15:59] *** TomJ- has quit IRC[16:21:43] *** __Trullo has joined #opensolaris[16:22:03] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[16:22:30] *** ___Trullo has joined #opensolaris[16:23:04] *** kwinz3_ has quit IRC[16:25:19] *** _Trullo has quit IRC[16:26:15] *** __Trullo has quit IRC[16:27:14] *** RoyK has quit IRC[16:35:50] *** TommyTheKid has quit IRC[16:35:57] *** nitrile has quit IRC[16:38:15] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[16:38:34] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[16:38:48] *** achester has quit IRC[16:39:42] *** twisti has quit IRC[16:39:43] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[16:40:59] *** TommyTheKid has joined #opensolaris[16:41:13] <RoyK> hm.. someone said the scrub process was single-threaded - but if so - how does the load spread out more or less evenly over eight cores?[16:41:39] <taemun> you've never run a single threaded process under windows and watched taskmgr?[16:41:46] <taemun> single threaded doesn't mean stuck to one core[16:42:22] <RoyK> imho they should - if they are moved around, it messes up cache coherency[16:42:44] <taemun> I don't know why its done, just that it is[16:43:04] <taemun> also I said single-threaded per vdev[16:43:26] <RoyK> hm. ok[16:43:30] *** merzo has quit IRC[16:43:52] <RoyK> if others are moved around, think about a system having, say, 8 gigs of RAM per CPU, connected locally?[16:43:53] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[16:47:09] *** chendy has quit IRC[16:48:59] *** duri has quit IRC[16:50:12] <CosmicDJ> is scrub really single-threaded? IIRC compression *was*, but scrub?[16:51:12] <taemun> just from my observations of that (asvc_t * op/s) = 1000ms for each vdev[16:51:24] <taemun> during a scrub on my 2x 8-wide raidz pool[16:51:40] <taemun> within a reasonable error margin, anyway[16:51:52] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[16:52:11] <taemun> relling could probably answer you more knowledgably though[16:52:26] * relling drinks more coffee[16:52:34] <taemun> :)[16:52:38] <effnorwood> smrt: explain lewellyn[16:52:38] <smrt> he's boring and not an OGB member[16:52:41] <effnorwood> ah good[16:52:45] <effnorwood> smrt: explain coffee[16:52:45] <smrt> Coffee is something trochej knows about.[16:52:48] <effnorwood> heh[16:52:49] <taemun> smrt: explain cake[16:52:49] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about cake...[16:52:52] <taemun> :([16:53:22] *** vmlemon has quit IRC[16:56:14] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[16:57:44] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris[16:58:18] <RoyK> smrt: explain windows[16:58:19] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about windows...[16:58:23] <sunfun> does anybody know why i got this error running a ./configure file on osol? error: Cannot find socket libraries[16:58:39] <sunfun> where are socket libs?[16:59:10] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[16:59:56] <alanc> sunfun: usually /usr/lib/libsocket.so[16:59:59] *** encephalon has quit IRC[17:00:30] <DerSaidin> if its from linux you probably need to add -lsocket[17:00:47] <sunfun> alanc: ok, but i have a configure file to run, how should i set manually where to look for?[17:01:25] <alanc> sunfun: no idea, since I've never seen a configure script so broken it didn't find it automatically[17:02:03] <alanc> that's not a normal configure failure - unless as DerSaidin said, it just needs to be updated to look in libsocket instead of libc[17:02:30] <alanc> but then it normally gives errors about not finding specific functions, not "socket libraries"[17:02:39] <DerSaidin> yeah, during compile, not configure[17:03:06] <sunfun> oh i see[17:03:35] <DerSaidin> link even[17:03:36] *** betchou has quit IRC[17:03:57] <sunfun> i'm trying to build icegenerator[17:04:02] <sunfun> a tool for icecast[17:04:29] <robinbowes> Anyone got any ideas about CIFS authentication failure?[17:04:54] <DerSaidin> robinbowes: did you change your password?[17:05:10] <robinbowes> On the server?[17:05:29] <DerSaidin> yeah[17:05:33] <robinbowes> Yes[17:05:43] <sstallion_work> sunfun: -lsocket most likely[17:06:02] <robinbowes> Password is the same on both client(s) and server[17:06:12] <sstallion_work> sunfun: try: LDFLAGS="-lsocket" ./configure ...[17:06:20] <robinbowes> NFS seems to work OK[17:06:27] <robinbowes> But my Windows clients can authenticate[17:06:33] <robinbowes> I can see the shares OK[17:07:02] <DerSaidin> http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Started_With_the_Solaris_CIFS_Service[17:07:02] *** relling has quit IRC[17:08:32] <sunfun> sstallion_work: i'll try right now...[17:10:22] *** relling has joined #opensolaris[17:10:23] <sunfun> sstallion_work: still not working... checking for libraries containing socket functions... no[17:10:54] <DerSaidin> open the script and see what its actually checking[17:11:00] <robinbowes> DerSaidin: thanks - I've read that many times :)[17:11:15] <robinbowes> This was working OK on snv_127[17:11:50] <robinbowes> I upgraded to 134b (well, NexentaStor 3.0 Community release) and CIFS auth is not working[17:11:51] *** soro has joined #opensolaris[17:13:19] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[17:14:34] *** ozux has quit IRC[17:22:09] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[17:24:33] <effnorwood> bah Nexenta - i'm not a fan[17:25:44] <effnorwood> take the best server os OpenSolaris and couple it with the best desktop os Ubuntu and you get - um - nexenta[17:25:59] *** dalibor has quit IRC[17:26:31] <effnorwood> the schizophrenic red headed step child of storage[17:26:37] <effnorwood> :)[17:26:39] <DerSaidin> lol[17:26:52] * robinbowes might just revert to an snv release[17:27:00] *** CoolMa has quit IRC[17:27:32] <robinbowes> However, it's still OpenSolaris under the hood[17:27:44] <robinbowes> I just wish I could work out where it's going wrong[17:30:42] <DerSaidin> robinbowes: smbutil view //localhost[17:30:56] <DerSaidin> smbutil status localhost[17:32:01] <deet> is nexenta really viable? it sounds like a minor nightmare[17:32:10] <robinbowes> Hmmm, smbutil view //localhost asks for a password and neither root nor admin work[17:32:26] <DerSaidin> its expecting your current user password[17:32:43] <robinbowes> Am logged in as root[17:33:06] <robinbowes> root password not working[17:33:45] <soro> bcm4312 64bits with ndis?[17:34:02] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:34:09] <RoyK> robinbowes: root account is blocked by default in samba[17:34:45] <robinbowes> OK, have tried as user "robin" - works OK[17:34:52] <robinbowes> I can see the shares[17:34:59] <RoyK> problem solved :)[17:35:37] <robinbowes> http://pastie.org/900442[17:35:47] <robinbowes> Er, not exactly[17:36:45] <robinbowes> I can connect using smbutil, but still not from Windows[17:37:02] *** cybernd has quit IRC[17:37:26] *** plat- has quit IRC[17:37:34] <DerSaidin> what was smbutil status localhost ?[17:37:59] <robinbowes> Workgroup: HOME[17:37:59] <robinbowes> Server: NAS02[17:38:07] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[17:39:26] <robinbowes> I can see the shares from Windows[17:40:20] <robinbowes> But auth fails when I try to connect[17:41:10] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[17:41:34] <tsoome> what build it is btw?[17:41:47] <robinbowes> SunOS nas02 5.11 NexentaOS_134b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[17:41:49] <eXeC001er> Hi[17:41:52] *** plat- has joined #opensolaris[17:42:49] <eXeC001er> I try to run 'zfs set shareiscsi=on devel/test'.[17:43:01] <eXeC001er> and have error: invalid parametr[17:44:28] *** soro has quit IRC[17:44:38] <gosx> eXeC001er: a recent build?[17:45:04] <eXeC001er> 134[17:45:37] *** TomJ has quit IRC[17:45:39] *** TomJ- has joined #opensolaris[17:46:26] <bda> Did shareiscsi go away with COMSTAR?[17:46:43] *** killermouse0 has joined #opensolaris[17:46:54] <tsoome> dont think its phased out yet:)[17:48:01] <eXeC001er> i run 'zfs get all devel/test | grep scsi' and it return '0 string'[17:49:41] *** TomJ- has quit IRC[17:50:01] <alanc> bda: shareiscsi is on the list of things that went away in 136 with the removal of the old iscsi - see the "EOF of iSCSI Target Daemon" under the 136 flag days on http://static.opensolaris.org/on/flagdays/136-140.html[17:50:21] <alanc> (I don't deal with iscsi, so don't know any more than that I saw it in the flag days)[17:50:49] <robinbowes> cd /etc/[17:50:56] <robinbowes> oops[17:50:57] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[17:51:05] * RoyK misses his 12TB test system[17:51:30] *** whistler has quit IRC[17:51:54] *** OclkdMan has joined #opensolaris[17:52:05] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[17:52:08] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[17:52:14] *** achester has joined #opensolaris[17:52:33] <RoyK> so ... any idea of how much l2arc I should have to dedup this stuff? after raidz2 it'll be 12TB (10.8TiB or so)[17:53:03] <dnaumov> and what exactly does l2arc have to do with dedup[17:55:10] <OclkdMan> hi. i'm writing a crossbow presentation. i would like to compare this technology with others available on linux platform. are there similar project that can create virtual network (for example with KVM) or hardware resources virtualization?[17:55:11] <RoyK> for what I've heard in here, dedup relies on heavy caching either with ram or l2arc[17:55:23] <RoyK> dnaumov: do you know anything about this?[17:55:30] <eXeC001er> which verison of OS has support for DDRdrive X1 ?[17:55:54] <eXeC001er> *version*[17:56:08] <RoyK> vision[17:58:38] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[17:59:48] *** Norrin has joined #opensolaris[18:01:31] *** Guest420 has joined #opensolaris[18:03:34] *** Guest420 has quit IRC[18:07:15] *** houst0n has left #opensolaris[18:08:24] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[18:08:34] <OclkdMan> any information?[18:08:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[18:09:53] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[18:11:17] *** kevku has joined #opensolaris[18:13:49] *** psychicist has joined #opensolaris[18:14:35] <|rt|> OclkdMan didn't stay on long enough for an answer....was about to point him to the VDE project[18:17:30] *** LadySerena has quit IRC[18:23:44] *** milek has joined #opensolaris[18:23:44] *** twilling_ has joined #opensolaris[18:23:56] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[18:25:14] <victori> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0404/chapter4-7?a=view neat ;-)[18:26:43] *** chendy has quit IRC[18:26:56] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[18:27:26] *** nikolam has quit IRC[18:27:30] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[18:28:05] *** twilling has quit IRC[18:28:44] <BankerBarney> how do you change a users default ftp directory when they login to the ftp. For instance now it is /home/thatuser...How would you make it a folder in the /path instead?[18:28:50] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[18:32:07] *** jwit has quit IRC[18:33:39] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[18:36:06] *** nikolam_ has joined #opensolaris[18:37:58] *** jwit has joined #opensolaris[18:38:52] *** gebi has quit IRC[18:39:27] *** nikolam has quit IRC[18:40:04] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[18:44:34] *** dalibor has quit IRC[18:45:47] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:46:41] <victori> http://sunaytripathi.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/solaris-10-networking-the-magic-revealed/ awesome article[18:50:04] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris[18:51:37] *** datadigger has quit IRC[18:52:46] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:55:13] *** datadigger has joined #opensolaris[18:58:39] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[19:02:46] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[19:03:52] <Kush-> hmm, what to get? http://bit.ly/aL1dne[19:04:15] *** lattera has quit IRC[19:04:35] *** icarus901 has quit IRC[19:13:20] <RoyK> Kush-: does it beat x25-e?[19:13:43] <Kush-> which?[19:13:55] <Kush-> there are a bunch of SSD's listed there[19:15:13] *** raichoo has quit IRC[19:16:08] <ampex> Kush-: x25-e is the way to go[19:16:32] <ampex> Kush-: those OCZ limited edition drives use a chipset that isn't very well tested[19:17:09] <ampex> Kush-: and I'd trust a Intel over Crucial or Corsair when it comes to important data[19:17:48] <BankerBarney> cat /etc/passwd|cut -f 1 -d: > /etc/ftpusers <-- I ran this command and I think I messed something up. How do I reverse what this did?[19:18:10] <g4lt-mordant> ampex, not me, portland's a bit farther away when it comes time to throttle the sumbitch that b0rked the memory module ;)[19:20:06] <BankerBarney> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=434055[19:20:22] <RoyK> Kush-: well, any of them?[19:20:49] <Kush-> well, i was hoping for something cheaper than x25-e and still would work well for a ZIL (SLC device)[19:21:33] <RoyK> BankerBarney: if you don't want to limit ftp to a certain amount of users, remove that setting from the server[19:21:48] <BankerBarney> how do i remove it?[19:21:51] <BankerBarney> uncat?[19:21:57] <BankerBarney> lol[19:21:59] <RoyK> which ftp server is this?[19:22:17] <RoyK> Kush-: even x25-m works for zil, but it's limited to something like 100MB/s[19:22:20] <BankerBarney> what do you mean what ftp server is it?[19:22:25] <RoyK> yes[19:22:31] <BankerBarney> just shop use..[19:22:36] <BankerBarney> general question..[19:22:45] <BankerBarney> I dont understand who you are asking[19:22:49] <RoyK> proftpd? vsftpd? ncftpd?[19:23:06] <BankerBarney> factory default opensolaris ftp service[19:23:08] *** sHellUx has joined #opensolaris[19:23:14] <BankerBarney> nothing special[19:23:41] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC[19:25:22] <RoyK> I guess it uses some well known ftp server?[19:25:25] *** kevku has quit IRC[19:25:50] <tsoome> man in.ftpd :P[19:26:14] <BankerBarney> well whatever that did, i can now not login to the ftp[19:26:20] <BankerBarney> i have sftp, but not ftp[19:26:32] <RoyK> sftp is ftp over ssh, another thing[19:26:35] <tsoome> BankerBarney: man man[19:26:50] <RoyK> apropos man :D[19:27:28] *** cn28h has joined #opensolaris[19:27:37] * RoyK hands tsoome a beer[19:27:45] <tsoome> :D ty[19:27:47] <cn28h> hey all, is it possible to do an open-solaris install with no GUI?[19:27:50] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[19:28:04] <tsoome> cn28h: svcadm disable dgm[19:28:08] <tsoome> gdm*[19:28:17] <RoyK> tsoome: that doesn't work for install[19:28:22] *** longcat has joined #opensolaris[19:28:22] <tsoome> i know;)[19:28:53] <cn28h> tsoome, sorry, I meant do the install itself - I'm trying to install it in qemu (using curses interface) and I just get a blank console[19:28:59] <longcat> alright guys i have a question. im using a sun unix keyboard, and im rdesktopped into a windows machine running virtualbox. unfortunately virtualbox wants me to press the RIGHT control key to get my mouse back, but the unix keyboard only has a left control[19:29:18] <tsoome> and actually it is, with text mode installer or AI, but since you are asking this question, its obviously quite useless answer;)[19:29:54] <tsoome> i would expect the same answer to pop up with google......[19:30:03] <cn28h> hm[19:30:43] <tsoome> isnt meta mapped to r-control?[19:30:47] <tsoome> not sure tho[19:30:47] <RoyK> longcat: you can set the control keys in virtualbox[19:31:28] *** milek has quit IRC[19:31:55] <BankerBarney> cat /etc/passwd|cut -f 1 -d: > /etc/ftpuser <--- I changed the 1 to a 10 and can now log back in...maybe 0 is no limit?[19:32:06] *** Mick27 has quit IRC[19:32:29] <tsoome> BankerBarney: you got so many hints for man its not even funny, you cant read?[19:32:49] <BankerBarney> what tsoome?[19:32:56] <tsoome> .oO[19:33:00] *** soro has joined #opensolaris[19:33:28] <BankerBarney> welp...I can get back in now...0 must be "no limit"[19:33:53] <tsoome> BankerBarney: man in.ftpd[19:33:58] <tsoome> its all listed there[19:33:58] <BankerBarney> i did[19:34:04] <BankerBarney> what is all listed?[19:34:11] <BankerBarney> cat is not listed[19:34:21] <BankerBarney> |cut -f 1 d: is not listed[19:34:38] <BankerBarney> most of the command has nothing to do with the command I issued[19:34:50] <BankerBarney> with the man you gave me rather[19:34:57] <tsoome> cite: in.ftpd authenticates users according to the following[19:34:57] <tsoome> rules:[19:35:09] <tsoome> cite: Second, the user name must not appear in either the[19:35:09] <tsoome> /etc/ftpusers or the /etc/ftpd/ftpusers file.[19:35:24] <longcat> RoyK: kinda hard to do once you've entered the hole ;P[19:35:47] <BankerBarney> right..I read that..what did you expect me to gather from that?[19:35:58] <longcat> oh well reconnecting to desktop got me out of the hole[19:36:02] <BankerBarney> it "must not" appear[19:36:13] <BankerBarney> oh...i understand[19:36:15] <BankerBarney> i got[19:36:15] <BankerBarney> it[19:36:21] <tsoome> phew.[19:36:25] <tsoome> :P[19:36:29] <BankerBarney> it took all the username and cut and pasted them into this ftpusers file[19:36:30] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[19:36:41] <BankerBarney> so i need to rid of all the usernames in that file?[19:37:00] <tsoome> only ones you wanna open ftp access[19:38:31] <BankerBarney> well now..the entire file has x's all the way down[19:38:41] <BankerBarney> so my 0 was right..[19:38:47] <BankerBarney> unlimited...[19:39:02] <RoyK> longcat: I doubt you can change them from inside rdp, though[19:39:13] <BankerBarney> so I guess I could issue the command again and only remove the ones I want to have access[19:39:15] *** vraa has joined #opensolaris[19:39:19] *** RoyK has quit IRC[19:39:57] *** madwizard has quit IRC[19:40:33] <BankerBarney> everytime I come in here, its an easter egg hunt for the answer to something..[19:40:39] <BankerBarney> oh well..tis the season[19:41:05] <longcat> how's the next opensolaris release going?[19:43:18] *** madwizard has joined #opensolaris[19:43:19] <BankerBarney> its Nemesis btw tsoome...I had to get rid of my vhost it was a little to tacky for this channel[19:43:43] <BankerBarney> erytime somebody whois me, im screwing they girlfriend if I am away[19:43:58] <tsoome> :D[19:45:26] <Kush-> So, if the Intel x25-m has like only around 100MB/s, how is that better than just a SAS disk... don't they get that kind of speed also?[19:45:48] <tsoome> its not only bandwith what counts[19:46:19] <Kush-> power? what else?[19:46:25] *** lblume has quit IRC[19:46:27] <tsoome> latency.[19:47:44] <Kush-> what should i look up to get latency information? is that the seek time?[19:48:44] *** bklang has quit IRC[19:48:57] <BankerBarney> 2nd question tsoome, why is my zpool dataset that I set for the smb share showing up when I access it via ftp, but when I create a folder underneath of it via smb it wont show up when I access it via ftp. All the folders are invisible via ftp, but they are there via smb...[19:49:48] <BankerBarney> on the other dataset..there are 2 datasets[19:49:54] <BankerBarney> all folders are visible[19:50:06] <BankerBarney> of course I did not share out the other dataset[19:50:14] <tsoome> kernel smb shares dataset, not directory tree[19:51:02] <BankerBarney> so is there anyway to make these visible to ftpuser "dork"[19:52:13] <tsoome> Kush-: this M model does random 4k reads up to 35k iops, writes depending on model, 6600 or 8600 IOPS. decent HDD does around 200 IOPS.[19:53:20] *** soro has quit IRC[19:54:45] <tsoome> BankerBarney: uhm, not sure, might depend on how access rights were set?[19:55:00] <BankerBarney> thinking the same thing[19:55:08] *** dalibor has joined #opensolaris[19:55:27] <tsoome> if smb will set only acl and no "normal" bits, ftpd might misinterpret that[19:55:46] <tsoome> thats an guess only[19:55:52] <BankerBarney> http://bit.ly/9UxfFu <--- followed this manual to setup the share[19:55:53] *** psychici1t has joined #opensolaris[19:55:57] <reflect> could also be that the ftpd was started before the disk was mounted? if you create a directory from your ftp client, can you see it from anywhere else?[19:56:32] <CIA-21> Shantkumar Hiremath<Shantkumar.Hiremath at Sun dot COM>: 6919694 ibt_free_qp() fails for QP assosiated with connection not yet initiated[19:56:35] *** psychicist has quit IRC[19:56:42] *** psychici1t is now known as psychicist[19:57:22] *** vraa has quit IRC[19:57:52] <BankerBarney> i dont see that he gave any special rights or privileges to such and such smb share..do you?[19:58:16] <BankerBarney> so whatever is there is probably "default"[20:01:04] *** ozux has joined #opensolaris[20:02:05] <BankerBarney> i have to set browseable="yes"[20:02:12] <BankerBarney> its probably set to "no" right now[20:08:03] *** fOB has quit IRC[20:08:18] *** paddy has quit IRC[20:10:49] *** twilling_ has quit IRC[20:12:25] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[20:15:40] *** ivo_ has joined #opensolaris[20:15:47] *** swa_work has quit IRC[20:16:26] *** Garen has quit IRC[20:16:29] *** ThothCrimson has quit IRC[20:16:52] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[20:21:34] <BankerBarney> can someone tell me where smb.conf is? I have looked in /etc, /etc/sfw...I tried to do a find . -name smb.conf, but every time I do this it just returns nothing?/[20:21:38] <BankerBarney> what a headache[20:22:08] <tsoome> kernel smb does not use it, its samba config file.[20:22:21] <BankerBarney> its called samba.config?[20:22:57] *** deet has quit IRC[20:24:05] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[20:24:51] <tsoome> samba config is smb.conf[20:24:59] <BankerBarney> oh..[20:25:03] <BankerBarney> it will generate it for me[20:25:15] *** paddy has joined #opensolaris[20:25:19] <BankerBarney> i gotcha..but I thought it was already generated when I setup my share[20:25:31] <BankerBarney> i mean what does it have to go on, if the file is not already created[20:25:39] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[20:26:20] <tsoome> you need to create is yourself[20:26:29] *** mavhc has quit IRC[20:26:39] <tsoome> find /etc -name smb\* if you have samba installed[20:27:21] <BankerBarney> ok that brought up a big list of stuff[20:27:33] <CosmicDJ> and make sure you're not mixing things up smb.conf == samba, in-kernel cifs (i.e. zfs set sharesmb=...) does not make use of smb.conf[20:27:56] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[20:27:58] <BankerBarney> ok well CosmicDJ my share is a zfs dataset[20:28:16] <BankerBarney> http://bit.ly/9UxfFu[20:28:24] <BankerBarney> per these instructions this is how I set it up[20:28:42] <BankerBarney> so if zfs makes no use of smb.conf then that is probably why I cant find it[20:28:49] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[20:29:54] <BankerBarney> so..how do I make this zfs smb share browseable=yes[20:30:00] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[20:30:07] <ivo_> Hey guys I am trieng to use my ~900GB fiel as an encrypted disk[20:30:09] <BankerBarney> it is probably set to no[20:30:11] <ivo_> but lofi fails[20:30:12] <ivo_> http://pastebin.com/VE9Qf5zf[20:30:14] *** longcat has quit IRC[20:30:19] <ivo_> can you give me some hints[20:31:53] <ivo_> I can use it without encryption with no problems[20:32:45] <jamesd2> ivo_, have you treid with a 100MB file?[20:32:53] <ivo_> nope[20:33:02] <ivo_> but without encryption[20:33:10] <ivo_> everything is working fine[20:35:07] *** cybernd has joined #opensolaris[20:36:30] <jamesd2> ivo_, well i would verify your command is working correctly, so you may want to try with a file that wont cause size limitations... 900GB is a bit large...[20:37:50] <ivo_> jamsed2, do you think 600GB is too much too?[20:39:50] <CosmicDJ> BankerBarney: I don't think there's a "browseable" setting[20:40:38] <CosmicDJ> ivo_: I'd go much lower, like 100mb as jamesd2 already suggested[20:40:56] <BankerBarney> yea I was noticing that..so how do I get this datasets subdirectories..not the dataset itself to show up in ftp viewable directories. I mean when I login to the ftp, I can browse to the dataset fine, but via smb I have created folders underneath the dataset, but those are hidden in ftp...[20:40:58] <ivo_> I need to store some data on it[20:41:06] <ivo_> 100Mb is not nearly enough[20:41:12] <BankerBarney> how do I make those sub directories visible[20:41:28] <CosmicDJ> ivo_: just for testing ofc[20:41:49] <ivo_> oki[20:42:50] <CosmicDJ> BankerBarney: do you see them when you're logged in via ssh (or directly on the machine itself)?[20:43:03] *** _tmp_ has left #opensolaris[20:43:05] <BankerBarney> in sftp they are hidden as well[20:43:06] <ivo_> I get the same error message with 64M File[20:43:19] <BankerBarney> the only way I can view them is via the smb share I have setup[20:43:22] <BankerBarney> I mean over smb[20:43:30] <ivo_> I am using OpenSolaris Development snv_134 X86[20:44:32] <BankerBarney> sftp sees the dataset fine..dataset is cifs0[20:44:43] <BankerBarney> same thing that dood named his in the tutorial[20:44:47] * BankerBarney went by the book[20:45:21] <jamesd2> dedup and mistakes dont match i made a mistake on my junk pool... wanted to remove about 5 filesystems, ended up removing about 30.. but since dedup was enabled... i can't kill the zfs commands they are in the kernel, and i can't do anything on the pool, and its been 12 hours... 1TB drive makes up the pool...[20:45:44] *** LadySerena has joined #opensolaris[20:46:33] *** rayel74 has quit IRC[20:46:48] <BankerBarney> but I created a folder called public underneath cifs0 and that folder is not visible...cifs0 is, Public folder is not[20:47:08] <BankerBarney> its visible "on the share", but not via ftp[20:47:41] <ivo_> when I create bthe file with mkfile[20:47:49] <ivo_> it is working fine with encryption[20:48:00] <ivo_> whith the file I created using dd[20:48:14] <ivo_> and /dev/urandom is not wotking[20:48:41] *** Bateau has quit IRC[20:49:36] *** Bateau has joined #opensolaris[20:49:53] <BankerBarney> nor do I have "permission" to create folder on the dataset via ftp[20:50:16] <BankerBarney> its definitely a perm problem..[20:51:03] *** _matze has joined #opensolaris[20:51:06] <_matze> hi[20:51:15] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[20:53:03] <bball> I see a variety of differing howtos for building opensolaris from source.. can someone point to me an up to date version ?[20:53:37] *** Andrew3 has quit IRC[20:54:01] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[20:54:26] <BankerBarney> [14:46] <CosmicDJ> BankerBarney: do you see them when you're logged in via ssh (or directly on the machine itself)? <--these directories are of course visible when I shell in via ssh[20:54:29] *** syamajala has quit IRC[20:54:42] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[20:54:58] *** bklang has joined #opensolaris[20:55:54] <BankerBarney> i can see them both as a normal user and as su[20:56:39] *** javashin has quit IRC[20:56:49] *** TomJ- has joined #opensolaris[20:56:55] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[20:57:29] *** TomJ has quit IRC[21:00:19] *** Andrew3 has joined #opensolaris[21:09:16] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[21:09:55] *** mavhc has joined #opensolaris[21:13:03] <victori> by flipping the "hires_tick" switch via mdb, will it activate it or do i have to restart?[21:13:03] <victori> echo hires_tick/W0t1 | mdb -k[21:13:26] <tsoome> this one will be effective immediately[21:13:33] <tsoome> and its not permanent[21:13:49] <BankerBarney> maybe this is it here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-2271/ftyxi?l=en&a=view[21:14:19] <BankerBarney> zfs uses ACL vs your typical chmod xxx numbers[21:14:34] <BankerBarney> setting perms is done a bit differently[21:14:56] <victori> tsoome the same can be said for ip_squeue_soft_ring as well?[21:15:00] <tsoome> zfs does not use anything. it will allow to use them[21:15:33] <tsoome> its still the app who will apply them. in your case the smb client system[21:15:56] <tsoome> i mean, do touch test.txt in solaris and see - there are no acl set of any kind.[21:16:17] *** q5sys has joined #opensolaris[21:19:42] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris[21:23:32] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[21:23:49] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[21:27:25] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[21:29:48] <tsoome> but you can sed default acl's at server side.[21:29:51] <tsoome> set*[21:34:04] *** micols has quit IRC[21:35:10] *** micols has joined #opensolaris[21:35:23] <_matze> hell.. those device names oO %)[21:36:15] <tsoome> ?[21:36:31] <_matze> trying to get my damn win32 paritation mounted :)[21:38:07] *** m4rku5 has joined #opensolaris[21:38:21] <_matze> confusing :) /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0p0 ...[21:38:25] <tsoome> fdisk partitions are p1-p4[21:38:48] <tsoome> p0 is "virtual" to access whole disk[21:38:54] <_matze> k :)[21:39:36] <tsoome> im not sure if in opensolaris too, but in older solaris versions it was possible to use constructs like c0t0d0p0:c to refer to first fdisk partition as well[21:42:45] *** PhlowX_ has joined #opensolaris[21:44:28] <_matze> i already read some blog at sun.com with a description but FSWfsmisc/FSWpart core dumps oO[21:45:25] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[21:45:43] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[21:46:25] *** PhlowX has quit IRC[21:46:47] <_matze> got it ;)[21:50:03] <duckinator> hi[21:51:25] *** robinbowes has joined #opensolaris[21:59:13] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:02:28] <victori> pretty amazed at how many system tunables you can mess with using mdb[22:03:57] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris[22:04:04] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[22:04:32] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[22:05:30] *** kwinz3 has quit IRC[22:10:06] *** lattera has quit IRC[22:10:43] *** RoyK has quit IRC[22:11:05] *** ant has joined #opensolaris[22:16:36] *** hrist has quit IRC[22:18:26] *** kwinz3 has joined #opensolaris[22:18:26] *** lattera has joined #opensolaris[22:20:11] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris[22:24:53] <jdoe> with nfs I can squash root to nobody with anon=, how can I squash all users to nobody? 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OS b134[23:30:04] *** corretico has quit IRC[23:30:08] <TomJ> in Solaris 10 it used to get screwed up if you tried that[23:33:43] *** psychici1t has joined #opensolaris[23:34:39] *** psychicist has quit IRC[23:35:00] *** psychici1t is now known as psychicist[23:35:51] *** javashin_ has joined #opensolaris[23:35:54] *** gosx has quit IRC[23:37:43] *** psychici1t has joined #opensolaris[23:38:17] *** psychicist has quit IRC[23:38:26] *** javashin has quit IRC[23:38:30] *** psychici1t is now known as psychicist[23:39:19] *** sHellUx has quit IRC[23:39:40] <sstallion_work> palowoda: the oracle police?[23:40:19] <sstallion_work> ivo_: IPS release lag behind by a few builds in order to get releases out. It will come back into alignment post-release.[23:40:27] <sstallion_work> IPS releases rather[23:40:31] <mui_> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b136/on-changelog-b136.html[23:40:38] <eklof> echobinary: http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-dev-134-x86.iso[23:40:52] <echobinary> is opensolaris moving to a text installer? what's up with the project caiman?[23:41:01] <echobinary> eklof: thanks :)[23:42:52] <sstallion_work> there is a text installer in a beta of some sort[23:43:00] <sstallion_work> I used it a few builds back - its functional[23:43:23] <echobinary> hmm[23:44:43] <echobinary> so - is anyone using 134? is it stable enough for use as a home fileserver?[23:45:11] <melbogia> why am sar complaing everytime it runs through cron with this error "sadc: can't lock data file: Resource temporarily unavailable" ?[23:45:36] <sstallion_work> echobinary: you are better off waiting a couple of weeks for 2010.03[23:45:45] <TomJ> hmm, seems it crashed my server[23:45:49] <TomJ> installing multiple zones at once[23:45:57] <TomJ> or at least, it crashed while doing that[23:46:10] <melbogia> anyone know?[23:46:13] *** clint- has joined #opensolaris[23:46:21] <sstallion_work> TomJ: I don't think thats exactly approved behavior - there are a number of files which are common between zones[23:46:27] <clint-> hey everyone[23:46:28] <eklof> echobinary: I use it.. seems stable enough for my home-use :)[23:46:34] <clint-> houston, we got a proble[23:46:38] <clint-> problem*[23:46:41] <TomJ> sstallion_work: yeah that's why I asked. on SOlaris 10 it used to screw up, I wondered what would happen in OS. Seems even worse :)[23:46:58] <clint-> I"m tired of fu*** dealin with so much hardware issues, dam.. can't we just get a system that has zero configuration lol[23:47:20] <clint-> I take out the Sound Blaster Audigy SE right, and put in the cmi audio card, but maybe my machspeed motherboard is just done..[23:47:26] *** jbit_ has joined #opensolaris[23:47:32] <echobinary> clint-: try DOS 6.22[23:47:37] <echobinary> that sounds like what you're looking for[23:47:37] *** Norrin has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** loke has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** kukhuvud has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** tehhobbit has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** fahadsadah has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** cocacola has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** x58 has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** gnibbler has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** jbit has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** mui_ has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** prudhvi_ has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** tomww has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** zynox_ has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** boos has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** trygvis has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** Tusk has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** bgran has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** odyi has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** hile__ has quit IRC[23:47:39] *** jbk has quit IRC[23:47:43] <clint-> I don't want to stop messin with opensolaris , neither do I plan to.. but I might have to just run fedora for a little bit, because my mandriva system got hacked like crazy[23:47:46] <echobinary> oh damn[23:47:55] <echobinary> I say DOS 6.22 and look what happens[23:48:53] *** Norrin has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** loke has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** kukhuvud has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** tehhobbit has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** DerSaidin has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** cocacola has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** x58 has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** gnibbler has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** mui_ has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** prudhvi_ has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** zynox_ has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** boos has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** trygvis has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** Tusk has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** bgran has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** odyi has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** hile__ has joined #opensolaris[23:48:53] *** jbk has joined #opensolaris[23:48:55] *** gosx has joined #opensolaris[23:49:41] <clint-> fu** maybe I should just go openBSD : P[23:49:46] <echobinary> so on the ZFS versions - I found a version that was part of build 135 - where does one find that?[23:49:51] <clint-> talkin to them now : )[23:50:22] *** naderman has left #opensolaris[23:50:28] <echobinary> huh?[23:50:55] <clint-> no support for Sound Blaster Audigy SE : ([23:50:56] <jdoe> sstallion_work: presumably he can update when that's released?[23:50:57] *** javashin_ has quit IRC[23:51:13] <clint-> I put the cmi audio card in, but I couldn't get pass post.. I think its my machspeed board though, its a 2004 board..[23:51:23] <clint-> ever since I had flashed it,and had to reprogram the eeprom chip, I have had some issues[23:51:30] <clint-> DMI issues[23:51:53] * clint- studying how to setup openBSD[23:52:23] *** fahadsadah has joined #opensolaris[23:52:37] <echobinary> say - even though these .ios's say x86 - they will do x64 too, right? if the hardware supports it?[23:53:17] <Meths> echobinary: Yeah[23:53:30] <echobinary> awesome[23:53:42] * echobinary is testing 134 on a VM before installing[23:53:44] <Meths> clint-: So use opensolaris on the desktop and openbsd for firewall[23:54:06] <clint-> well I can't get sound on this audigy se[23:54:07] * echobinary uses pfSense for a firewall[23:54:11] <echobinary> (bsd based)[23:54:26] <Meths> clint-: And OT: 93 model is the same as 94 changes came in 96 and 99.[23:55:42] *** CoolMa has quit IRC[23:55:52] <clint-> yes I know.. I know about pfsense, and smoothwall and others. m0n0wall,[23:56:17] <CIA-21> Keyur Desai <Keyur.Desai at Sun dot COM>: 6932404 Autohome share does not show up when using sharemgr show -vp, 6875358 NDR support for Serialization Types, 6811350 Autohome wildcard rule fails with mixed case (or upper case) user name, 6932967 Add local group manipulation functions to SAMR service, 6801203 libidmap should not link with bunch of libraries, 6928764 Diagnostic noise on "idmap get-namemap" and "idmap set-namemap", 6885923 idmapd loops infinitely, l[23:56:19] <CIA-21> Robert Johnston <Robert.Johnston at Sun dot COM>: 6929405 sysevent flood can cause fmd to accumulate topo snapshots leading to memory exhaustion, 6934761 Add mdb walker for fmd's list of topo snapshots, 6934767 Add mdb walker for fmd's per-module event queues, 6938816 zfs-retire: zfs_vdev_repair leaks nvlist[23:57:12] <victori> just curious so the builds on oracle.com for solaris; do they expire on 90 days? as in the OS will fail to function unless some license is present?[23:57:27] *** clint-1 has joined #opensolaris[23:57:34] <bda> victori: No.[23:57:37] <clint-1> I feel like getting a gun, and just pulling the trigger or jumping off a bridge..[23:58:01] <victori> bda so it would function; just no updates and not in the legal clear. (looking at this for a vmware toy)[23:58:06] *** sahafeez has quit IRC[23:58:57] *** clint-1 has left #opensolaris[23:59:01] <bda> victori: Correct. But you'll get no patches anyway, without a contract.[23:59:12] <bda> Everything is in flux. Hard to say what it will shake out to.[23:59:14] *** clint- has quit IRC[23:59:14] <victori> lruupdates possible?[23:59:20] <victori> whatever it is called[23:59:21] <bda> lru?[23:59:25] <bda> Live Upgrade?[23:59:26] <victori> live update*[23:59:27] <victori> yes[23:59:32] <bda> Yes, you can use LU.[23:59:36] <bda> That's something different.[23:59:42] *** dalibor has quit IRC[23:59:59] <tsoome> LU is there for s10 and was for sxce, but its dead