March 30, 2009 
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March 30, 2009 [00:04:37] *** mega has quit IRC[00:13:00] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[00:13:02] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[00:17:23] *** LeftWing__ has joined #OpenSolaris[00:18:32] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[00:21:21] *** BlueZeniX_ has joined #opensolaris[00:24:21] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[00:25:00] *** mega_ has quit IRC[00:25:42] <kimc> i've built a machine to test comstar fibre channel[00:25:48] <kimc> just got it working[00:26:19] <e^ipi> nifty[00:26:21] <e^ipi> blog about it[00:26:27] <kimc> ok[00:28:02] <kimc> after reading one of benr's blogs i located some older cards and a switch[00:28:17] <kimc> put this together[00:29:29] <kimc> running the ATTO benchmark it achieves some fast rates for 2gb fibre[00:30:16] <kimc> i don't think 2gb fibre can do much more than ~200MB/sec[00:32:45] <kimc> this is Emulex LP10000 cards on each end.. SXCE 110 and Windows 2003 R2 64-bit on the other end[00:32:51] <jbk> that sounds about the right ballpark given protocol overhead[00:33:07] <kimc> ah ok[00:33:19] *** palowoda has quit IRC[00:33:25] <jbk> i just divide by 10 to get a rough idea[00:33:27] <jbk> instead of 8[00:33:27] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC[00:33:29] <kimc> right[00:33:35] <jbk> since i figure overhead's gonna add a bit[00:34:05] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[00:35:11] <kimc> i'd like to do some test runs on OS X but it looks like Apple leaves some key pieces out[00:36:32] <kimc> i've got an ATTO card with the latest version of the card driver and the 'configuration utility'[00:37:07] <kimc> it can see COMSTAR on the other end[00:38:23] *** hajma_ is now known as hajmabot[00:39:32] <SatManUK> how do i fall back to text installation if the graphical install of community edition fails is there a keystroke or do i just have to reboot?[00:40:10] <SatManUK> never mind my laptop crashed on switching to x[00:40:51] <trichobezoar> crashed or went back to console?[00:40:58] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[00:41:11] <SatManUK> it crashed[00:41:18] <SatManUK> it didn't go back to console[00:41:34] <SatManUK> and if i pressed like caps lock or num lock nothing happened[00:41:34] *** aramdune has quit IRC[00:41:46] <SatManUK> trying again[00:42:31] <SatManUK> if the gui install fails again this time i will try text install[00:43:24] <SatManUK> ok booting to sun os[00:43:26] *** C_Kode has joined #opensolaris[00:43:28] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[00:43:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[00:43:29] *** lewq has quit IRC[00:44:03] <SatManUK> attempting to congfigure my ethernet (laptops on wifi)[00:44:21] <SatManUK> skipped ethernet bge0[00:44:43] <kimc> which version you installing?[00:44:44] <SatManUK> zfs done, java done[00:44:50] <C_Kode> heh I just installed opensolaris on my home computer, and it's grub pooped on my Ubuntu, but it stills sees my WinXP install[00:45:29] <SatManUK> C_Kode: cant u just add the entry for ubuntu[00:45:31] <trichobezoar> I have my triboot setup like this... I have opensolaris' grub active which chainloads ubuntu partition which has grub installed to load ubuntu, and os' grub also chainboots for osol[00:45:37] <kimc> the gui install is known not to work on SXCE 110[00:45:43] <SatManUK> kernel = /dev/boot/vmlinuz...[00:45:56] <SatManUK> now you tell me ![00:46:08] <C_Kode> yep.[00:46:35] <trichobezoar> that way ubuntu manages its kernel and setup on its own, windows manages itself, and so does opensolaris. works great[00:46:36] *** hajmabot is now known as hajma[00:46:39] <kimc> sorry about that[00:47:25] <SatManUK> same screen again so i select what next time around console (desktop)?[00:47:51] <SatManUK> complete mess on screen[00:48:10] <SatManUK> grey, black, colours, looks like an old spectrum through the wall game![00:48:20] <kimc> yes[00:48:21] <SatManUK> ok its been already more than 30 seconds[00:48:39] <SatManUK> can we assume its crashed second time around?[00:48:47] <kimc> you want console text mode..[00:49:06] <SatManUK> power off, power on[00:49:20] *** jbeda has quit IRC[00:49:41] <SatManUK> why is it so difficult to install this, do i have some kinda weird hardware because bsd and opensuse linux haven't had any problems[00:49:45] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[00:49:49] <e^ipi> PEBKAC[00:50:14] <SatManUK> what does PEBKAC mean?#[00:50:43] <C_Kode> SatManUK, what are you installing it on?[00:51:07] <niq> it assumes you're sitting in a chair[00:51:18] * dsch04 waves at niq[00:51:26] <SatManUK> Acer Aspire 5315[00:51:30] * niq hides[00:51:33] <dsch04> heh[00:51:59] <dsch04> SatManUK: ever heard the expression "carbon-based issue" ?[00:52:27] <kimc> the Acer should work[00:52:28] <SatManUK> 10gb for solaris, 10gb for bsd, 10 gb for opensuse and 40gb for user data[00:52:35] <SatManUK> 2gb linux swap[00:52:46] <C_Kode> Solaris doesn't exactly have the same level of hardware support that bsd and Linux do.[00:53:21] <nachox> solaris can be expected to work in most newish hardware these days imho[00:53:33] <SatManUK> i thought based on the fact its based on SunOS and backed by Sun it would have had more[00:53:51] <dsch04> Sure, if you run it on Sun hardware[00:54:03] <C_Kode> SatManUK: Sun doesn't exactly make home computers.[00:54:16] <SatManUK> i know[00:54:50] <SatManUK> but why do they release the x86 version if not to maintain a presence in the Free Operating System world?[00:55:09] <e^ipi> because they only stopped having an x86 release for 8 months or so[00:55:13] <e^ipi> it's been around for a long time[00:55:44] <e^ipi> and sun has a full line of opeteron and xeon based machines[00:55:56] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[00:56:04] <monsted> SatManUK: why would Sun care about running it on a laptop? their support for server-grade hardware is quite good.[00:56:05] *** axisys has quit IRC[00:56:07] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[00:56:12] <SatManUK> so are the continuing to develop the x86 version as in the 0906 release?[00:56:18] <C_Kode> SatManUK: Lots of support for different hardware doesn't come from Sun just as all the hardware support for Linux doesn't just come from Redhat. It takes time.[00:56:29] <SatManUK> i know[00:56:34] *** BlueZeniX_ has quit IRC[00:56:40] <e^ipi> SatManUK: x86 isn't going away any time soon[00:56:41] <SatManUK> its from user development and an army of volunteers[00:57:00] <e^ipi> doesn't makes sense to lock your software to your hardware[00:57:18] <SatManUK> can opensolaris adapt linux based software such as madwifi or ath5k?[00:57:26] <e^ipi> no[00:57:36] <SatManUK> because of GPL?[00:57:40] <e^ipi> driver interface is different on the one hand, and the GPL doesn't let you share on the other[00:58:12] <SatManUK> do manufacturers offer support for solaris ie atheros?[00:58:18] <e^ipi> some do[00:58:25] <e^ipi> LSI i think has solaris drivers[00:58:48] <e^ipi> consumer electronincs mfrs tend not to care about anything about windows, or grudgingly linux[01:00:09] <SatManUK> i tried opensolaris last year and encountered some problems and the people in this channel were very off. There was a mentality of we don't want to deal with users, because users find bugs and bugs make work for us developpers[01:00:26] <SatManUK> yes at least linux is getting some level of support now[01:00:37] <C_Kode> woot, my sound works :)[01:01:01] *** ricardo-vlh has quit IRC[01:01:07] *** Disreali has joined #opensolaris[01:01:09] <SatManUK> the main reason i came back is because i really want to learn the os[01:01:34] <SatManUK> i want to build up my competency level with solaris[01:01:52] <C_Kode> So, does Silverlight (Mono) work with OpenSolaris?[01:02:09] <C_Kode> Moonlight[01:02:46] <SatManUK> i want moonlight 2![01:03:09] <SatManUK> it bugs me when all the sights i go on say you only have v1 support and need v2[01:03:40] <SatManUK> isn't gnome GPL?[01:03:41] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[01:03:47] *** Reiser has joined #opensolaris[01:03:51] <C_Kode> I was just happy when I could watch MLB.tv from Ubuntu.[01:04:22] <SatManUK> i can't watch sky through linux because they use silverlight 2[01:04:50] <C_Kode> Not sure.[01:04:56] <Reiser> why network don't work with dhcp on opensolaris?[01:05:11] *** phs2 has joined #opensolaris[01:05:28] *** capaz1 has quit IRC[01:05:50] <C_Kode> Doesn't look good. But thats ok. I wasn't expecting to use Solaris as my desktop.[01:05:51] <Reiser> i'm configured pppoe but local network not works[01:07:43] *** phs2 has quit IRC[01:08:03] *** phs2 has joined #opensolaris[01:08:11] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[01:13:33] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[01:13:40] <SatManUK> i presume its using the existing solaris partition if not then its wiping pcbsd but thats no big deal i can reinstall it on the partition that i was gonna use for solaris[01:14:43] <SatManUK> im going to leave it running and get some kip[01:14:47] <SatManUK> be back later[01:14:51] <CosmicDJ> Reiser: works fine here :p[01:15:21] *** phs2 has quit IRC[01:15:42] <Reiser> CosmicDJ not for me(([01:15:48] *** kitche has joined #opensolaris[01:16:19] <CosmicDJ> Reiser: maybe someone can help you if you're a little bit more specific than just "it doesn't work"[01:17:20] <Reiser> ifconfig rtls0 dhcp start[01:17:31] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[01:18:01] <Reiser> dhcp doesn't get ip-adress[01:18:38] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris should start dhcp discovery automagically[01:18:47] *** yarihm_ has quit IRC[01:19:13] <Reiser> on boot network is unreacheble[01:19:21] *** servo- has quit IRC[01:19:26] *** javatexan has quit IRC[01:19:41] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[01:19:42] <CosmicDJ> you're sure your dhcp server works?[01:20:03] <Reiser> yes, on linux i haven't problem[01:21:58] <CosmicDJ> by any chance, your dhcp server isn't running openbsd, right?[01:23:05] <Reiser> don't know[01:23:36] <C_Kode> Do they just randomly change names of things? grub usually use /boot/grub/munu.lst and even Sun's site says this, but my install doesn't have it.[01:23:44] <C_Kode> menu too[01:23:49] <e^ipi> no, it's in /rpool since ZFS root[01:23:59] <C_Kode> hell it doesn't even have grub.conf![01:24:02] <C_Kode> looking[01:24:05] <e^ipi> no, it has menu.lst[01:24:15] <C_Kode> thanks[01:24:25] <e^ipi> /rpool was a way of getting around the fact that your clones might not live in the same sectors[01:24:31] <e^ipi> so grub gets confused[01:24:39] <jmcp> and no, there is no "randomly changing names of things" - any changes are done for specific, documented reasons[01:25:18] <C_Kode> Hmm.. Maybe it does see my Ubuntu. It says I have (2) Windows bootable partitions[01:25:24] <C_Kode> sec, going to try. brb[01:25:27] *** C_Kode has quit IRC[01:25:35] *** kate21de1 has quit IRC[01:26:14] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[01:26:35] *** kate21de has quit IRC[01:27:07] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[01:28:52] *** svcadm has joined #opensolaris[01:29:14] <freetown> hello all, anybody know if insufficient ram will lead to a crash dump when importing a zfs pool with twenty or so filesystems and a total of tens of thousands of snapshots?[01:29:30] <c00p> freetown: zfs is memory hungry :)[01:29:53] <c00p> watch your swap usage[01:29:55] <freetown> c00p, i assume that adding RAM will get around the problem?[01:30:01] <c00p> if u start paging crazy u know :)[01:31:00] <c00p> swap -l - see if that is filling up[01:31:32] <c00p> freetown: The zfs mailing lists would answer your question - try searching their history as well :)[01:32:04] <e^ipi> insuffcient ram and ZFS is a whole lot of painful anyhow[01:33:36] <freetown> rats...if the import is successful...i am going to have to keep a tab on the number of snapshots.[01:34:05] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[01:34:18] *** C_Kode has joined #opensolaris[01:34:46] <C_Kode> Nope. I'm having trouble with fdisk. heh how do you list the drives and partitions with solaris's fdisk?[01:35:31] <freetown> yippee...gone straight into the debugger...[01:35:32] <e^ipi> for one, you don't use fdisk[01:35:43] <C_Kode> what do you use?[01:35:45] <e^ipi> iostat -EN to list disks, format(1M) for partitions[01:35:46] <jmcp> C_Kode: iostat -En[01:35:50] <jmcp> lowercase n[01:35:58] <e^ipi> my bad, held shift key too long[01:36:04] <jmcp> C_Kode: all that /usr/sbin/fdisk does is put a DOS-style primary partition on your disk[01:36:20] <jmcp> within that primary "partition" you create a VTOC Volume Table Of Contents[01:36:38] <jmcp> which you use /usr/sbin/format for[01:36:41] <freetown> okay, i am new to solaris debugging...i have the kernel debugger running after a panic...what do i do? please[01:36:48] <jmcp> freetown: $C[01:36:59] <jmcp> to get the panic thread stack[01:37:06] <jmcp> also, you want to check out the panic string[01:37:08] <C_Kode> I can mount ext fs?[01:37:23] <jmcp> C_Kode: nope, unless you pull in a module from the belenix distro[01:37:40] <C_Kode> damn[01:37:45] <freetown> jmcp, okay...[01:38:37] <jmcp> freetown: then you can google for the panic string (if it's not too generic :>), and also elements from the stack trace[01:38:40] <jmcp> or use sunsolve.sun.com[01:39:31] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:39:39] <freetown> jmcp, how do i get the panic string?[01:39:45] <jmcp> *panic_thread::print[01:39:53] <freetown> jmcp, thnx[01:39:57] <jmcp> or[01:39:59] <jmcp> ::msgbuf[01:41:21] <freetown> NULL pointer deference...i guess one or two filesystems are toast?[01:41:39] <jmcp> not necessarily[01:41:43] <jmcp> what's the stack?[01:41:52] <jmcp> and which build are you running?[01:41:59] <freetown> snv99[01:42:03] <jmcp> gah[01:42:11] <freetown> ...[01:42:11] <svcadm> ooof[01:42:16] <jmcp> probably fixed in one of the 12 builds that have follow it[01:42:20] <freetown> loads of zfs bugs there?[01:42:36] <freetown> hmm...would an upgrade fix things then?[01:43:07] <jmcp> freetown: lots of ZFS stuff has changed[01:43:17] <jmcp> and yes, an upgrade might work for you[01:43:31] <jmcp> freetown: was the panic stack in some ZFS function?[01:45:55] <freetown> stack dump has this: zfs:zap_leaf_lookup_closest .. zfs:fzap_cursor_retrieve .. zfs:zap_cursor_retrieve[01:48:10] <jmcp> freetown: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6719745[01:48:11] <jmcp> ?[01:48:25] <jmcp> gah, not available:)([01:48:27] <jmcp> :([01:48:35] <jmcp> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2247[01:48:40] <freetown> no can see[01:48:59] <jmcp> how about the d.o.o version?[01:49:08] <jmcp> closed as not reproducible, incidentally[01:49:29] <jmcp> not reproducible with 2008-09-11 or later, incidentally[01:50:00] *** radsy has quit IRC[01:50:11] <C_Kode> I have a question regarding that VTOC stuff. I was reading that the root partition can't have it and without it you can use the disk cache. So, if thats true and I have a server with two disks raided together, I can't use the disk cache?[01:50:12] <freetown> 2247...in bugster...[01:50:25] <jmcp> freetown: if you can, please upgrade to snv_110[01:50:58] <freetown> straight jump won't be a problem right?[01:51:07] <jmcp> freetown: shouldn't be[01:51:12] <freetown> snv99 -> 110. no gotcahs ? :-D[01:51:14] <freetown> okay[01:51:16] <jmcp> freetown: are you using OSOL or SXCE?[01:51:26] <freetown> Indy :-)[01:51:42] <jmcp> freetown: follow the beadm and pkg image-update procedures[01:51:46] *** C_Kode has quit IRC[01:51:53] <freetown> how do i reboot from the kernel debugger mode?[01:51:58] <jmcp> freetown: $q[01:52:13] <jmcp> C_Kode: you're confusing a few things there. For your root disk(s), you must have a VTOC on the disk. Where did you read stuff about the disk cache?[01:53:02] <freetown> jmcp, i guess lack of ram is not a problem at this point.[01:53:27] <jmcp> freetown: 1gb ++ ?[01:53:36] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[01:53:54] <DerSaidin> hello jmcp[01:53:59] <freetown> 4GB - and i just added 4 more just in case[01:54:14] <jmcp> DerSaidin: gday gday[01:54:18] <jmcp> freetown: yeah, should be plenty :-)[01:59:29] <freetown> jmcp, pkg does not have any dependent services right? I am booting up in single user mode and turning network services and that will be it...[02:00:11] <jmcp> freetown: I don't know, sorry[02:00:37] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[02:02:03] <Chipdancer> jmcp: got my primary machine up to 110 on the weekend[02:02:28] <jmcp> Chipdancer: yay![02:02:33] <jmcp> Chipdancer: how's /massive?[02:02:51] *** muellisoft has quit IRC[02:03:25] <Chipdancer> my minimum procedure to do an upgrade now seems to be as follows: boot single user, export zpool (massive), create new LU, luupgrade, luactivate, reboot, import zpool (massive), update source, recompile myk, install/test myk, reboot XvM[02:03:50] <Chipdancer> jmcp: it's working, just a PITA at upgrade time and I really don't know why[02:03:55] <jmcp> yeah[02:04:04] <jmcp> we need to get you moved over to IPS[02:04:06] <jmcp> and me, too[02:06:43] *** BlackCoffee has joined #opensolaris[02:07:17] <Chipdancer> jmcp: definitely[02:07:24] <BlackCoffee> hi there everyone,can anyone tell me if OpenSolaris has enough tools for java programming?do they come with the distro by default?[02:07:43] <jmcp> BlackCoffee: one could be cynical and ask what more you need after ed and /usr/bin/javac....[02:07:53] <jmcp> BlackCoffee: you can install NetBeans pretty easily[02:08:03] <ipfw> BlackCoffee: not installed by default, but yes it has netbeans available, what more do you need ;)[02:08:35] <BlackCoffee> oh...i guess that would be all.thing is my wife is a programmer,she's seriously thinking about leaving windows vista behind[02:08:50] <ipfw> jmcp: I'm still trying to figure out why os2008.11 b109 runs fine for me, but b110 crashes and restarts my box as gnome starts to load the session[02:08:55] <BlackCoffee> so she installed ubuntu,but couldn't get the java apps to work properly[02:09:13] <piwi> i make my first steps with automated installer and i think i'm missing a step. both systems opensolaris 110. the system to install is booting from the server via pxe, i get the kernel boot message (SunOS Release 5.11 ..., copyright, license terms) and then following two lines Broadcom Gb Ethernet v1.02. at this point it stops for about 15 min now and i can't see any traffic nor other activity. any hints where to go?[02:09:17] <BlackCoffee> so i figured."java is from sun ,so is solaris" bada bim bada boom[02:09:24] <jmcp> ipfw: are you booting with -k on your kernel$ line ?[02:09:36] <kitche> yeah sicne ubuntu uses openjdk which I believe does not work well with java apps on ubuntu[02:09:55] <jmcp> piwi: I think you should ask on #pkg5 - that's where that dev team hangs out[02:09:55] <BlackCoffee> so i'm guessing it's way easier to make netbeans run on a sun microsystems OS than on ubuntu[02:10:06] <jmcp> BlackCoffee: well, ubuntu with Sun's JDK should be fine[02:10:07] <piwi> jmcp: thanks, i'll try[02:10:12] <ipfw> jmcp: now, should I be ?[02:10:20] <jmcp> BlackCoffee: that said, *my* preference is that you use Openolaris :-)[02:10:26] <jmcp> OpenSolaris, even[02:10:26] <BlackCoffee> hehe[02:10:42] <jmcp> ipfw: yes, that'll drop you to kmdb if a panic occurs[02:10:55] <BlackCoffee> ok dudes,you've been real gents,thanks a lot[02:10:55] <e^ipi> BlackCoffee: ibm has several dozen competing product lines. large companies are very loosely associated collections of teams[02:10:55] <jmcp> and hopefully allow you to gather some useful information[02:11:00] <jmcp> BlackCoffee: you're welcome[02:11:05] <ipfw> jmcp: then I just need to learn what I'm doing in kmdb aye ;)[02:11:10] *** BlackCoffee has quit IRC[02:11:41] <jmcp> ipfw: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-2543[02:11:53] <ipfw> fact that she had issues getting her java stuff to work multi-platform scares me about her programming abilities ;)[02:11:58] *** hamling_ has quit IRC[02:12:29] <svcadm> the fact that she's using java should scare you .... /me ducks[02:12:30] <ipfw> jmcp: thanks, maybe I can at least learn what is at fault[02:12:45] <ipfw> jmcp: right now I'm not even sure what to point my finger at[02:12:50] <jmcp> svcadm: at minimum, it should help you get a stack trace and panic string, which you can search sunsolve and/or google for[02:13:00] <jmcp> svcadm: yeah, run away troll ...[02:13:06] <svcadm> LOL! ;P[02:14:05] <ipfw> jmcp: quick question, I made a new user called umm "testuser" with the gnome user/group thing, but no homedir is created, I see that my sponix user has /export/home/sponix as a zfs volume, should I make a new volume /export/home/testuser for this user, and if so, how (let me guess, look at the zfsadmin howto) ?[02:14:07] <jmcp> svcadm: always always choose the correct tool for the task at hand. Sometimes that's java, sometimes Python, C...[02:14:27] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[02:14:46] <jmcp> ipfw: new zfs dataset, not a new zvol.. just picky there. Ok, in my experience, you've always needed to manually create /export/home/$login and then kick autofs[02:15:02] <svcadm> jmcp: oh I know ... there are a couple products that the developers had to use java with, and it was quite painful ... it clearly wasn't the right tool in our case.[02:15:10] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[02:15:19] <svcadm> (the developers at work, that is)[02:15:19] <e^ipi> and sometimes it's haskell. nobody's quite sure which job that it's the right tool for but damned if a bunch of trendy internet people aren't going to try to find it[02:15:22] <e^ipi> ;)[02:15:34] <jmcp> heh[02:15:41] <svcadm> indeed[02:15:57] <freetown> jmcp, you need to run beadm before a image-update on snv99?![02:16:11] <freetown> pkg does not handle that for you?[02:16:26] <jbk> e^ipi: i thought that was ruby[02:17:05] <jmcp> freetown: srsly, I dunno for sure cos I haven't gotten into pkg5 yet as much as I want[02:17:14] <jmcp> freetown: I *think* you need to[02:17:19] <freetown> jmcp, okay, no worries[02:17:26] <jmcp> and then run pkg image-update -R newBE[02:18:11] <freetown> ...i thought it would automatically create a new BE...[02:18:25] <freetown> oh well...the big red button has been pressed[02:18:43] * jmcp waits for the earth-shatteringg kaboom[02:18:52] * freetown likes big red buttons[02:19:49] <freetown> !topic[02:19:57] <freetown> ...[02:20:06] <freetown> dead bot?[02:20:26] <nachox> pkg creates a new be automatically[02:20:27] <jmcp> dunno[02:20:28] <e^ipi> no, bot that doesn't annoy everyone with those ! commands[02:20:32] <nachox> when you use image-update[02:20:38] <e^ipi> if you want to know the topic... /topic[02:20:39] <jmcp> nachox: ah, good to know, tw[02:20:40] <jmcp> ty[02:20:47] <freetown> e^ipi, :D[02:21:28] <ipfw> jmcp: that as easy as: pfexec zfs create rpool/export/home/testuser ?[02:21:43] <jmcp> ipfw: if that's where your parent dataset is[02:21:45] <jmcp> yeah[02:22:06] <jmcp> and then pfexec svcadm restart autofs[02:23:25] <freetown> hmm...still creating the plan...what a long fuse[02:23:51] <jmcp> freetown: i think I read that it's a good idea to update your pkg utility first[02:24:10] <freetown> pkg install SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0.99 check[02:24:19] <jmcp> that's snv_99[02:24:23] <jmcp> which you already have[02:24:33] <freetown> it still installed stuff for me[02:24:52] <jmcp> and I think you want to use the /dev repo, too[02:25:04] <freetown> i can upgrade the pkg to somethign in newer releases before doing image-update?[02:25:14] <jmcp> I'm pretty sure you can[02:27:20] <freetown> ah well, just waiting for the fuse to burn all the way for now.[02:28:10] <freetown> !pkg, what is the plan?[02:28:30] <freetown> heh, i see what you mean e^ipi[02:29:12] <nachox> jmcp, you dont need to pfexec with svcadm, it is profiles aware i think[02:30:52] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris[02:32:06] <freetown> ouch...1GB worth of updates :D[02:32:19] <freetown> this should clog the pipe for a while[02:33:29] *** smoking_gun has quit IRC[02:35:33] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[02:36:50] *** infomomo has quit IRC[02:44:21] <jmcp> nachox: I've never gotten into pfexec, so I'[02:44:25] <jmcp> I'm being cautious[02:44:29] <jmcp> me, I'd just 'su' :-)[02:45:22] <kitche> whoops forgot pfexec myself on one of my commands[02:45:50] <nachox> jmcp, interestingly, RBAC is what i use to show how much linux sucks when compared to solaris, lacks many of the features of RBAC and profiles are damn cool[02:46:39] <jmcp> nachox: i should remember that, I have to go and talk with some customers about OSOL soonish[02:47:19] <nachox> jmcp, you need to remember to set up auditing though :)[02:47:33] <piwi> #pkg5 seems dead at the moment, but now i have a more general question :). i've switchted to verbose boot, the last line says: [ network/physical:default starting (physical network interfaces) ]. are there known problems with a sun x2200 and a current opensolaris build?[02:47:52] <jmcp> piwi: most of the devs are in the US, and I think they might be having that 'weekend' thing :-)[02:47:54] <jmcp> nachox: true![02:49:58] <piwi> jmcp: hey, it's my weekend, too. and it's nearly 0300 in the morning ;)[02:50:34] <piwi> i'll try d.o.o and bugster[02:50:56] *** Dorfo has joined #opensolaris[02:50:58] *** Dorfo has left #opensolaris[02:51:04] *** Dorfo has joined #opensolaris[02:51:23] <Dorfo> hi there, anyone knows how to remove the uneeded BEs?[02:51:25] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[02:51:45] <kitche> well I know how to do it though packagemanager[02:51:52] <piwi> hope my neighbours won't get up, because of the sound from a booting x2200[02:52:06] <jmcp> piwi: faint hope if you live in a block of flats :-)[02:52:43] <piwi> i think i've to build a silencer[02:53:33] <Dorfo> kitche: ok, that is goofd... ca you help me then?[02:53:39] <Dorfo> *good[02:54:05] <kitche> Dorfo: man beadm, but beadm destroy <snapshot> should destroy the BE and the snapshots of the BE[02:54:07] <e^ipi> piwi: shoot through a pillow[02:54:21] <piwi> :)[02:54:22] <jmcp> e^ipi: leaves residue[02:54:30] <Dorfo> kitche: ok[02:54:30] <jmcp> remember to destroy the pillow afterwards[02:54:34] <Dorfo> lemme see[02:54:45] *** ipfw has quit IRC[02:55:16] <piwi> e^ipi: would solve the problem with the neighbours, but not the sound of the x2200[02:55:26] <e^ipi> jmcp: good thinking[02:55:32] <e^ipi> piwi: oh... misunderstood[02:55:55] <trichobezoar> hmmm i wonder if it's louder than my x4200[02:56:04] <e^ipi> probably[02:56:07] <Dorfo> thx alot kitche[02:56:11] <piwi> i can't compare, it's my only system[02:56:31] *** niq has quit IRC[02:56:43] <piwi> atm the small fans are going approx 10.000 rpm[02:56:46] <freetown> can't be worse than a whining fan that also resonates with the grill on the rack[02:57:05] <svcadm> freetown: I _hate_ it when that happens[02:57:19] *** Dorfo has left #opensolaris[02:57:20] <piwi> upper limit is 16.000. i don't want to hear them at 16.000 rpm[02:57:30] <trichobezoar> It was fun to lay with ipmitool... For the first time in months i heard silence[02:57:33] <freetown> svcadm, so did the previous guy...he unplugged them fans[02:57:40] <trichobezoar> by turning the fans off for a few moments[02:58:19] <freetown> trichobezoar, i loaded the grill down with a power adaptor - heavy things - to try to change the harmonics :P[02:58:21] *** ahe has quit IRC[02:59:29] *** inertmatter is now known as ladyfantasy[02:59:54] *** asarch has quit IRC[03:07:14] <nachox> interesting swat is useless in opensolaris 2009.11[03:07:47] <freetown> nachox, where can i try 2009.11? :-D[03:07:48] *** gm152_ is now known as gm152[03:07:59] <nachox> err 2008[03:08:09] <freetown> aw. :P[03:09:33] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[03:18:03] *** Disreali has quit IRC[03:21:00] *** myosound has quit IRC[03:24:14] *** ycheng has joined #opensolaris[03:28:32] *** Zikla has joined #opensolaris[03:33:09] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[03:33:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[03:39:58] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[03:40:26] <piwi> what is the right place for ai related bugs (maybe it's a hw bug, too, but i can't test it, because the x2200 has no optical drive)[03:40:57] <jmcp> defect.opensolaris.org[03:41:23] <piwi> ty[03:42:46] <Zikla> Is there a good, straightforward explanation on how to build from spec files?[03:43:06] <Zikla> I'm looking for one but only finding misceallaneous bits and pieces that are hard to put together[03:45:42] *** communicator has quit IRC[03:58:33] <CIA-33> Edward Shu <Edward.Shu at Sun dot COM>: 6820590 Toshiba R500 suspend/resume kills X11, 6820749 Xorg goes into an ioctl() EINVAL loop when enabled compiz on a Toshiba R600, 6821534 resume on intel graphics fails if compiz is active[03:58:34] <CIA-33> Xiao-Yu Zhang <Xiao-Yu.Zhang at Sun dot COM>: 6744061 ahci_intr_non_fatal_error may cause infinite loop with debug version, 6746629 ahci_software_reset need to have a delay between the two H2D Register FIS[03:58:54] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[04:04:20] *** piwi has quit IRC[04:15:10] <freetown> ugh[04:15:26] <freetown> pkg reports - unable to create BE None[04:15:43] <freetown> then: image-update cannot be done on the live image[04:16:21] <freetown> but i beadm list gives me a opensolaris-3 BE (current running BE is opensolaris-2)[04:16:25] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[04:16:30] <freetown> any tips?[04:18:26] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[04:19:04] <Topdeck> Is there any information on fletcher4 checksum performance out there?[04:20:21] <nachox> how big is ON these days? how many mbs?[04:20:44] <nachox> i'm downloading through mercurial and i'd love to know how much it might take[04:23:54] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[04:25:20] *** javatexan has quit IRC[04:31:30] *** mroconnor_ has joined #opensolaris[04:31:40] *** mroconnor_ is now known as mroconnor[04:34:25] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[04:42:13] *** comay has quit IRC[04:44:08] <freetown> blast...did a pkg -R to update the new BE but when i tried to activate it, i got: Unable to activate opensolaris-3. File system not mounted.[04:44:54] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[04:45:12] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[04:45:12] *** comay has quit IRC[04:47:11] <nachox> crap, roland is not around[04:54:07] *** gm152 has quit IRC[04:54:22] *** bigjohnto has joined #opensolaris[04:54:23] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[04:54:30] <bigjohnto> on a raid box if the first inode is corrupt on ufs.... what can I do to solve the problem?[04:54:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[04:56:29] <nachox> comay, a question about pkg and the package manager, is it possible to implement some kind of locking for them? i should not be able to use both concurrently anyway[04:57:30] <comay> sounds like a definite thing to file on defect.opensolaris.org[04:57:41] <comay> i agree they should not step on one another[04:58:21] <nachox> i havent tried, but i'm guessing i could also use 2 instances of pkg at the same time[04:58:41] <comay> i believe there's a bug file on the latter already[04:59:53] <nachox> i'll check that, if it's not there, i'll test it and fill both bugs then, they should not be too hard to fix[04:59:58] *** j0nas_ has joined #opensolaris[05:01:11] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[05:01:38] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[05:01:46] *** j0nas_ has quit IRC[05:02:21] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[05:06:54] *** photon_chac has quit IRC[05:07:12] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:10:17] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[05:14:50] *** j0nas has quit IRC[05:16:37] *** asarch has quit IRC[05:17:54] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[05:19:39] *** e-jat has quit IRC[05:19:49] <nachox> hg downloaded about 53k files of metadata and still needs more :) 160mb[05:28:28] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[05:30:11] *** freetown has quit IRC[05:39:22] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris[05:40:12] <freetown> ...image-update sent me to 101b instead of 110...did i miss soemthing? was there supposed to be a flag for pkg image-update?[05:41:22] <e^ipi> no, but you do need to be on the dev repo[05:41:39] <e^ipi> that's also not really what "flag day" means[05:42:39] <freetown> e^ipi, safe to jump from snv99 -> 110?[05:42:58] <freetown> or should i do snv -> snv101b -> 110?[05:44:21] <e^ipi> it's fine[05:44:26] <e^ipi> besides, if something breaks just rollback[05:45:54] <nachox> e^ipi, how big is ON these days? i'm downloading though hg[05:46:30] <e^ipi> 5, 600 megs or so i think[05:48:00] <nachox> i'll leave it downloading then... i want to add syslog logging support for pfexec[05:48:16] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[05:48:32] <e^ipi> with logger(1) you can add anything to the syslog[05:49:05] *** skullone has quit IRC[05:49:34] *** skullone has joined #opensolaris[05:50:54] *** mroconnor_ has joined #opensolaris[05:50:58] <nachox> i could rename pfexec to pfexec-bin and wrap it around a script that calls logger i suppose...[05:51:05] *** mroconnor_ is now known as mroconnor[05:51:06] <freetown> anybody know if there are any Sun engineers in HK? If so...if i end up not being able to mount the zfs filesystems that are causing a kernel panic...can they take a look at it?[05:52:07] <e^ipi> there probably are[05:52:21] <e^ipi> and with a support contract that's expensive enough, they definately can take a look[05:53:36] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris[05:53:41] <freetown> hmm...any OpenSolaris support contract taht is expensive enough?[05:54:51] <nachox> you think sun does ALL the work for free?[05:55:37] <nachox> they can do all of these because there are paying customers that actually pay to have their problems solved[05:55:42] <nachox> fast[05:55:49] <freetown> http://www.sun.com/service/opensolaris/opensolaris.html[05:56:17] <freetown> hmm...most expensive support contract not looking good....unless that means quick support[05:56:26] <asyd> \_o<[05:56:41] <freetown> asyd, i hope you don[05:56:47] <freetown> don't mean quack support...[05:57:26] <oninoshiko> freetown: I beleave sun has a solid reputation for support. It's really too bad they wont sell me one of those contracts for SXCE, Id have it in a heartbeat[05:58:05] <nachox> sxce changes too fast for any decent support[05:58:09] <e^ipi> they will whenever IPS puts back to SXCE[05:58:28] <CIA-33> Eric Cheng: 6819793 dladm set-linkprop -p cpus can hang unkillably, 6820269 Appliance panic: when destroying 10gb aggregation link[05:58:30] <CIA-33> Thirumalai Srinivasan <Thirumalai.Srinivasan at Sun dot COM>: 6796146 panic in squeue initialization when adding a vcpu using CPU DR[05:58:38] <freetown> oninoshiko, yes...but can i get one for opensolaris that can get them in to look into this zfs mount panic problem,[05:59:29] <oninoshiko> e^ipi: and if they dont fix my complaints with IPS first, I'm still not likely to purchace one.[06:00:49] <nachox> oninoshiko, IPS got a LOT faster in b110[06:00:59] <Zikla> Anyone else have things like man pages double every first hyphen, include the letter after it, and then clobber the character immediately proceeding that?[06:01:33] <asyd> nachox: oh really? good news[06:01:51] <oninoshiko> nachox: speed isnt my complaint. I want local package files (like I have with SysV packages).[06:02:37] <oninoshiko> I dont want to have to run my own repository to have reproducable installations[06:03:31] <e^ipi> oninoshiko: i've told you dozens of times that they're working on it[06:03:39] <e^ipi> and i don't see it putting back without it[06:04:40] <oninoshiko> I've been told "theyre working on it" from a lot of vendors, on a lot of products. I'm not interested in some future build that may or may not have what I need.[06:06:11] <freetown> is there a way to import a pool without automatically mounting its filesystems?[06:06:14] <oninoshiko> when they release a version with the requisate feature-set, I will see if my opinion changes.[06:06:47] <Plazma> oninoshikso so don't purhcase one and move on?[06:08:31] <oninoshiko> Plazma: I want support. I want to pay for it. I cannot lose features for it. How come every time I want to give SMI money they fight me on it?[06:08:47] <Plazma> you're venting[06:08:51] <Plazma> livejournal.com[06:11:01] <oninoshiko> Plazma: ever try to do bussness with them?[06:17:02] *** Reiser has quit IRC[06:20:52] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[06:21:46] <nachox> e^ipi, onnv is 777M :)[06:22:14] <e^ipi> close enough[06:24:06] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: just run sxce and be happy. when ips starts getting "ready for prime time", THEN you can even think about it.[06:24:17] <[lewellyn]> i'm personally not wasting braincycles on ips until then[06:25:42] <jmcp> oninoshiko: have we told you to go and rant about it in #pkg5 today?[06:26:00] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: it's a supported product, how much more "ready for primetime" should i wait for to judge?[06:27:18] <jmcp> Zikla: that's an old technique to get bold text in dumb terms[06:27:19] <[lewellyn]> is it "Solaris 11" yet?[06:27:24] <jmcp> no, it isn't[06:27:28] <jmcp> Zikla: what is your TERM set to?[06:28:04] <[lewellyn]> until it's "Solaris 11", or near, it's not worth expending the time complaining about ips[06:28:08] <Zikla> xterm[06:28:40] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: i respetfully disagree. a supported product is a supported product.[06:28:42] <[lewellyn]> and by then, lots of existing customers who do not yet follow opensolaris will be highly pissed if it doesn't replicate all of svr4 packaging features[06:28:51] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: iirc, sxce is also supported[06:28:58] <[lewellyn]> so choose the one which meets your needs[06:29:04] <jmcp> only for 6 months at a time, if you bother to read the license agreement[06:29:10] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: find me a link to where i can buy the support package?[06:30:29] <jmcp> http://www.sun.com/service/opensolaris/[06:30:45] <jmcp> which I found in http://www.opensolaris.com/learn/features/whats-new/200811[06:31:05] <codestr0m> jmcp: how's the support entitlement for osol/sxce compared to sol10?[06:31:11] <jmcp> I don't know[06:31:16] <jmcp> I don't know what you're asking[06:31:23] <jmcp> "how" ??[06:31:43] <nachox> interesting onbld is now packaged for IPS[06:31:54] <codestr0m> jmcp: it's a relative question yes.. and I already know the answer.. it's shorter term and entitles you to nothing useful[06:32:10] <jmcp> nachox: yes, we did some work on[06:32:11] <jmcp> it[06:32:23] <jmcp> codestr0m: so you're trolling?[06:32:54] <codestr0m> going to sleep and mostly trying to save people time[06:32:59] <[lewellyn]> codestr0m: what's lacking in the osol support options vs solaris 10?[06:33:14] <freetown> any do this: anybody know if there are any Sun engineers in HK? If so...if i end up not being able to mount the zfs filesystems that are causing a kernel panic...can they take a look at it?[06:33:23] <jmcp> codestr0m: I don't see how you're saving people time[06:33:37] <jmcp> freetown: if you want a support engineer you'll need a support contract[06:33:39] <[lewellyn]> at $2000, i expect it to have at least most of the same support features[06:33:41] <jmcp> and yes, Sun does have offices in HK[06:34:16] *** Zumu has quit IRC[06:34:34] <jmcp> I'm still trying to figure out why oninoshiko keeps ranting about IPS, and thinks that's acceptable when he could be giving direct and probably useful feedback directly to the developers to whom he has been directed several times[06:34:35] <freetown> jmcp, i don't care about offices. can i get sun to look into the zfs mount panic if i get the production support subscription?[06:35:01] <jmcp> freetown: you asked whether we've got offices in HK, to which the answer is yes[06:35:18] <freetown> full of sales chums?[06:35:19] <jmcp> if you've got a support contract, you can get Sun support engineers to look at that problem[06:35:47] <freetown> jmcp, okay. even on 'essential'?[06:36:05] <jmcp> geez, how about you look at the Ts &Cs ffs[06:36:06] <[lewellyn]> jmcp: the problem is that the developers have already said "we know of these concerns" and they're not being fixed fast enough for oninoshiko[06:36:08] <codestr0m> jmcp: what's the difference between that and submitting a regular bug report.. don't sun engineers look at them anyway?[06:36:24] <[lewellyn]> codestr0m: not via telephone[06:36:38] <codestr0m> [lewellyn]: so you can call and they'll on the phone fix your bug?[06:36:43] <jmcp> [lewellyn]: and so he still rants here, and pisses me off cos he's not doing anything to help himself[06:37:03] <freetown> http://www.sun.com/service/opensolaris/opensolaris.html is the only difference with essential[06:37:04] <[lewellyn]> jmcp: exactly. if ips is vital to him and it doesn't meet his needs, he has the source. :P[06:37:16] <jmcp> [lewellyn]: and still he rants and rants[06:37:20] <codestr0m> [lewellyn]: I think the point is you can call and submit a bug or confirm a bug vs getting a fixed.. there's a big difference[06:37:26] <oninoshiko> IPS is not vital to me, i dont particularly want it[06:37:28] <jmcp> codestr0m: yes, Sun engineers do look at bug reports, but if you have a support contract you can log a call about it, where "call" == "via telephone"[06:37:36] <jmcp> oninoshiko: so stop ranting about it[06:37:58] <oninoshiko> jmcp: i can't avoid it and get a support package, THAT is the rant[06:37:59] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: if you don't like ips, don't use it. it's not forced upon you[06:38:08] <freetown> jmcp, that don't equal to come in, get a copy of the data, make a fix does it?[06:38:16] <jmcp> freetown: no, it doesn't[06:38:24] <jmcp> freetown: if you want that, you'll have to pay more[06:38:36] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: have you tried purchasing yourself a support contract yet?[06:38:45] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: YES[06:38:55] <jmcp> oninoshiko: just via the web, or did you phone somebody too?[06:38:55] <[lewellyn]> codestr0m: i don't know. i've not looked into opensolaris support contracts much yet[06:39:31] <freetown> jmcp, so is it get a support contract or pay for one time support then or the latter does not exist[06:39:32] <oninoshiko> it took me 2 days of being handed off from sales person to sales person to find anyone who knew anything[06:39:37] *** fr4g-home has quit IRC[06:39:39] <[lewellyn]> soon, i'm probably going to get a multi-product developer contract though[06:39:46] <[lewellyn]> then i'll worry about the os itself[06:39:58] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: that's not unusual for sun ;)[06:40:11] <jmcp> freetown: so let me get this straight - you're complaining about an issue which as far as we can tell is fixed in a later release, and still you want somebody from Sun to analyze your crash dump and tell you to upgrade?[06:40:14] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: you're in the usa?[06:40:45] <[lewellyn]> jmcp: he wants to pay for the privilege ;)[06:40:47] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: and all they could tell me was that SXCE is not supported, if i want support i have to go to Sol-10 or indiana[06:40:57] <freetown> jmcp, no. i am still upgrading to 110. if that does not fix it....[06:41:13] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: yes, I am[06:41:15] <jmcp> freetown: so finish the upgrade to 110 already[06:42:14] <freetown> jmcp, well i did not know i had to get dev repo as primary...i got 101b instead...not been following things. just asking for what might be ahead[06:42:21] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: ok. monday i'll call, myself. if they're willing to support sxce for me, i will call bs on you and you will have to add all missing functionality to ips yourself ;)[06:42:43] *** Fr4g-- has joined #opensolaris[06:43:00] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: if you get someone who will commit to supporting SXCE, send me a phone number PLEASE[06:43:36] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: i'm starting with 800-786-0404 and working from there[06:44:25] <[lewellyn]> but, right now, i have to get some more linuxy stuff done. this kernel boots but won't mount its initrd :P[06:44:53] <nachox> i'm off to bed, night guys, dont waste time in useless arguments[06:45:19] *** nachox has quit IRC[06:45:23] <[lewellyn]> nachox: i'm not arguing. i'm just pointing out that ips isn't thrust upon those of us who don't need it ;)[06:45:40] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: also, solaris 10 uses pkg* and is fully supported ;)[06:46:09] <oninoshiko> I beleave I acnowlaged that, but it lacks features I'm useing[06:46:35] <[lewellyn]> maybe U7 will get them in the next couple months?[06:47:14] <oninoshiko> maybe, maybe not. That neither helps me now, nor nessicarily helps me then.[07:00:42] * derPUPE ist away (-no carrier-)[07:00:45] *** derPUPE is now known as derPUPE_[07:02:59] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:03:00] *** alhazred has joined #opensolaris[07:06:07] *** Zumu has joined #opensolaris[07:07:15] *** Asad2005 has joined #opensolaris[07:09:09] <Asad2005> I have created a zpool with 3xusb flash disks and when i remove one of the disk the zpool status still shows it as online why ?[07:10:12] <oninoshiko> Asad2005: because it is not aware that the drive has been removed. it starts trying to access it, it should fail out[07:10:45] <Asad2005> you mean it needs some times to find out[07:11:23] <oninoshiko> Anicdotally, yes.[07:12:31] <Asad2005> How much time should i wait and does it have to do with failmode setting which is set to wait[07:12:53] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[07:14:23] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[07:15:06] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[07:15:57] <oninoshiko> it shouldnt have to do with the failmode setting, that setting should only be applicable at all if enough devices fail to create a catostrophic pool failure.[07:16:38] <freetown> kaboom![07:17:30] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:17:32] <Asad2005> ok no if i pull a second disk it would still be ok as long as i can replug same disk same place is this right?[07:17:38] <oninoshiko> Asad2005: I beleave it is based on accesses, my pools have always had frenquent enough accesses that it was detected quickly.[07:17:42] <freetown> argh, argh, argh. the download is taking so long. drives me nuts....[07:18:03] <oninoshiko> Asad2005: depends on your pool configuration[07:18:14] <freetown> jmcp, what was it that was borken that was fixed with regard to the zfs mount panic i am having?[07:18:23] <freetown> that you think was fixed[07:18:46] <freetown> it drove me bananas when zpool status and zpool scrub all checked out[07:19:02] <oninoshiko> if it's a triple-mirrors and raidz2 can both withstand a dual failure.[07:19:26] <jmcp> freetown: gimme a sec[07:22:59] <Asad2005> oninoshiko, I have created a file and now status showed it as removed. My configuration is raidz with 3 disks. So with this status if i remove the second then replug it after detection then replug it i will still be ok i think. es ?[07:23:39] <Asad2005> thats yes at the end[07:23:48] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[07:24:49] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[07:24:56] <oninoshiko> if your failmode is wait, it should block all IO untill it has enough disks and is in a state shuch that it can contenue. that is based purely on the manual though, I have not tested that myself.[07:25:04] <jmcp> freetown: the only comment in the eval field for that bug is "not reproducible with 2008-09-11-nd"[07:25:05] *** ken is now known as ken-W[07:26:27] <Asad2005> oninoshiko, When i press the tab to complete your nick i only see oninoshik1, is that you as well. Thanks any how[07:26:48] <oninoshiko> that is my workstation at work.[07:27:28] *** alhazred has quit IRC[07:27:53] <Asad2005> When I try to start webserver with this "/usr/sbin/smcwebserver star" that command is not there do i need to install a package for that, add repository maybe anybody ?[07:34:21] *** Ayat0lla|afk has quit IRC[07:36:57] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[07:37:42] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[07:37:50] *** ken is now known as kenW_[07:42:16] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[07:42:21] <e^ipi> Asad2005: smc is dead thank god[07:42:22] <freetown> jmcp, I wonder if the problem i have is different...bug #6719745 was triggered in a snapshot list...mine in a zfs mount...i assume you are referring to 6719745?[07:42:23] <e^ipi> you don't want that crap[07:43:52] <jmcp> freetown: from the limited stack trace info you gave me this morning, I told you the best match I could find[07:44:22] *** ken-W has quit IRC[07:45:19] *** asarch has quit IRC[07:46:03] <freetown> jmcp, i know. is 101b >= 2008-09-11-nd?[07:46:03] <Asad2005> e^ipi, So how do i start the console ? I can not connect with server https://hostname:6789/zfs[07:46:45] <jmcp> freetown: lemme check[07:47:08] <jmcp> I don't think it is, actualyl[07:49:12] <freetown> okay, so 110 test a must. 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nicely[07:57:46] <mib_ul6s2l2q> My printers are configured on solaris[07:58:03] <freetown> oh you mean you already know their ips?[07:58:27] <mib_ul6s2l2q> no, actually theya re configured[07:58:29] <CIA-33> Edward Shu <Edward.Shu at Sun dot COM>: 6820749 Xorg goes into an ioctl() EINVAL loop when enabled compiz on a Toshiba R600 (fix build)[07:58:31] <CIA-33> zhigang lu - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Zhigang.Lu at Sun dot COM>: 6821748 USB code should be warlock clean[07:58:33] <mib_ul6s2l2q> and i have to know[07:58:54] <mib_ul6s2l2q> if I use "lpget list" then it shows me bsdaddr=local system name[07:59:05] <freetown> huh? i did not know cups would change the ip settings of the printer...[07:59:44] <freetown> so you have lost the ip settings from your solaris box...go to the printer and ask nicely[07:59:47] <mib_ul6s2l2q> I have not to change anything only retreive the information[08:07:02] <e^ipi> Asad2005: there are three commands, why the blazes do you need a gui?[08:07:43] <freetown> must use mouse syndrome[08:08:15] <oninoshiko> i would hate for the mouse to feel sad[08:08:24] <jmcp> yeah, mouse must feel useful[08:10:11] <[lewellyn]> warlock clean? o_O[08:10:50] <e^ipi> what about it?[08:11:18] <[lewellyn]> what? did they hand the usb code a bar of Sorceror Safeguard deodorant soap? ;)[08:11:40] <jmcp> [lewellyn]: warlock is a tool we use to help find deadlocks[08:11:56] <[lewellyn]> jmcp: bah. lemme have fun with odd visuals :([08:12:02] <jmcp> awwww :-P[08:12:10] <oninoshiko> [lewellyn]: or maybe Mr. Clean stole the mouse's hat?[08:12:22] <freetown> warlock to lock on to dreadnoughts.[08:12:25] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: no, it's an actual warlock[08:12:32] <e^ipi> his name is bill, he works at MPK[08:12:46] <jmcp> has a beard, staff and cloak, too[08:12:47] <e^ipi> he's what infuses solaris with dark magic[08:12:55] <[lewellyn]> him alone?[08:13:01] <e^ipi> yeah[08:13:05] <jmcp> [lewellyn]: no, he's got some helpers[08:13:07] <[lewellyn]> sun needs to increase solaris's bus factor :P[08:13:09] <jmcp> evil henchpl[08:13:11] <e^ipi> he didn't get caught up in the RIF's , so that's good[08:13:15] <jmcp> heh[08:13:26] *** dunc has quit IRC[08:13:26] <oninoshiko> you sure it's not Yensid?[08:13:40] <jmcp> I'm not sure of anything these days[08:13:50] <[lewellyn]> except that it's tomorrow somewhere[08:13:59] <jmcp> yup, right where I am[08:14:28] <oninoshiko> jmcp: maybe it's yesterday here?[08:14:33] <jmcp> must be[08:14:55] <oninoshiko> well everyone keeps saying I'm living in the past...[08:15:05] <[lewellyn]> jmcp: is tomorrow a day without fusion?[08:15:11] <jmcp> [lewellyn]: sadly, yes[08:15:25] <[lewellyn]> crap. red giant time :([08:15:29] <freetown> great...now i have another problem....beadm does not seem to like me snv99 env and its subsequent handmade troublesome clone svn101b...i guess there must be a reason why it lists that snv99 BE as having 16777216.03T[08:16:04] <oninoshiko> freetown: that's an awfully large number[08:16:35] <freetown> oninoshiko, i know...i don't know why it lists it as so....zfs list don't give me that large a number....[08:17:08] <oninoshiko> im not used to the T's getting past 2 digits[08:17:33] <freetown> zfs list shows 30.5G for the snv99 be zfs volume...[08:17:38] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris[08:17:53] <freetown> is that too big for beadm to handle?[08:18:50] *** mrb1 has joined #opensolaris[08:20:10] <freetown> ah shucks, i better just boot off the 2008.05 BE and to a through train to 100 from there[08:20:14] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[08:20:18] <freetown> 110[08:22:45] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[08:22:49] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[08:23:52] *** Asad2005_ has joined #opensolaris[08:25:25] *** Asad2005 has quit IRC[08:31:10] <freetown> argh...upgraded zpool...[08:34:27] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[08:37:53] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:38:39] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[08:43:20] *** Zikla has quit IRC[08:44:00] *** 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coffee...[09:20:45] <[lewellyn]> next cup, i'll use less[09:21:30] <[lewellyn]> either croatians really like their coffee strong or i've gotten way to used to american coffees :P[09:21:56] * [lewellyn] bought a bag of Franck Jubilarna[09:22:49] <e^ipi> drinking cezve ?[09:24:08] <timeless> is there a command that would let me know which kind of sata (1, 2..) is supported by my hardware?[09:25:03] * timeless is trying to avoid the hypothetical trip to visit the box and openning it[09:27:31] <freetown> lookup chipset?[09:28:28] <[lewellyn]> kava[09:28:41] *** zhwazi is now known as Zikla[09:29:01] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: pardon?[09:29:04] <[lewellyn]> oh no, not turkish coffee[09:29:11] <e^ipi> ahh[09:29:17] <e^ipi> yeah, that's just how they drink it[09:30:20] <timeless> freetown: maybe/how?[09:30:28] <trochej> Coffee![09:30:36] <e^ipi> though really assuming you can grind it fine enough you can use any kind of coffee for turkish coffee[09:30:49] <e^ipi> so you don't need to buy stale croatian stuff[09:30:49] * timeless is also trying to figure out enough info to file a bug asking for support for a wifi card[09:30:54] <timeless> (unrelated boxes)[09:31:03] *** rv- has quit IRC[09:31:29] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: i dripped it. lazy :)[09:31:39] <[lewellyn]> came out very strong[09:31:42] <e^ipi> i actually don't even have an auto drip machine[09:31:50] <[lewellyn]> i don't use a machine to drip[09:31:56] <[lewellyn]> nasty coffee from those :P[09:32:07] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[09:33:58] *** luc^ has quit IRC[09:34:07] <e^ipi> you use a melitta pourover or similar?[09:34:24] <[lewellyn]> ya[09:34:32] <e^ipi> i used one of those at work[09:34:37] <e^ipi> largely because it cost me $3[09:34:41] <[lewellyn]> better taste and comes out less bitter with crap coffee[09:34:52] <[lewellyn]> well, the cost isn't something to overlook either :)[09:35:12] <[lewellyn]> i was surprised at how fresh (considering...) this block of coffee was[09:35:30] <freetown> timeless, hmm...i guess it must at least support sata hotswap if it appears on cfgadm output[09:36:20] <timeless> freetown: ok, so one of my boxes lists a sata and the other doesn't seem to[09:36:24] <freetown> not sure how to walk through prtconf or to get ncp support status[09:36:45] *** olri has quit IRC[09:37:01] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[09:37:32] <freetown> timeless, if the other does not seem to it is very likely the chipset you have is first generation sata. no hotswap, ncq and acts like a pata controller[09:38:16] <timeless> i'm basically trying to figure out which kind of hdd to buy for it[09:39:26] <e^ipi> they still make sata-1 drives?[09:39:47] <freetown> not that i know of...but they do make pata drives still[09:40:03] <timeless> are all the satas downrev compat?[09:40:09] <e^ipi> yes[09:40:23] <timeless> ok, so i shouldn't care[09:40:24] <timeless> alright[09:40:53] <e^ipi> it'll go as fast as it goes[09:40:59] <timeless> freetown: while you're avail, could you walk me through figuring out enough info to tell sun that snv doesn't support my wireless card? :)[09:42:08] *** lesterc has quit IRC[09:42:24] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[09:42:27] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[09:42:30] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:43:07] <freetown> timeless, i think it's prtconf -v only....[09:43:25] <freetown> add more 'v's to increase verbosity...[09:43:27] *** biafra has quit IRC[09:43:42] <freetown> no lspci here :P[09:44:23] *** lesterc_ has joined #opensolaris[09:44:25] * timeless tries to remember how to upload files across this stupid firewall[09:44:35] <lblume> /usr/X11/bin/scanpci is quite as good as lspci[09:44:44] <timeless> does that require X11?[09:44:58] <timeless> (i barely have a working terminal, let alone x11)[09:45:03] <lblume> No, it's only part of it, but is a console tool.[09:45:04] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:45:18] <freetown> http://bhami.com/rosetta.html needs updating :P[09:45:39] <e^ipi> none of us maintain it[09:45:49] *** lesterc has quit IRC[09:46:25] <freetown> then maybe it should not be in the topic then :P[09:46:42] <e^ipi> why, it's still a great resource[09:46:54] <e^ipi> if you notice errors, bhami at pobox dot com[09:48:00] *** barfoed_ is now known as barfoed[09:48:33] <freetown> don't see no errors so i shall clam up[09:50:03] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[09:50:38] <timeless> freetwon: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/638198 ?[09:50:44] *** comay has quit IRC[09:51:33] *** lesterc__ has joined #opensolaris[09:51:38] * timeless wonders how to get this screen to have a proper line count so that the screen doesn't blank every couple of lines[09:52:01] *** lesterc_ has quit IRC[09:52:15] <timeless> stty?[09:54:07] <freetown> timeless, scanpci might be better[09:54:41] <DTEIT> morning[09:55:45] <[lewellyn]> dude. anyone else seen that Baby vs Cobra video yet?[09:55:49] <freetown> timeless, or prtconf -vv[09:57:07] *** photon_chac has quit IRC[09:57:16] <timeless> freetwon: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/638190 ?[09:57:18] <timeless> arg[09:57:21] * timeless cvan't type[09:57:29] <timeless> freetwon: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/638199 ?[09:57:37] <timeless> it's the ralink thing :)[09:57:50] <freetown> OH the RALINK[09:58:00] <e^ipi> learn dvorak, then you'll be able to not-type more ergonomically[09:58:01] *** carl- has quit IRC[09:58:19] <freetown> man, it is tough even to get linux drivers for that. Ans: Go ask Ralink to write a Solaris driver.[09:58:33] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[09:58:45] <timeless> heh[09:58:58] <timeless> so next time i try to buy a wifi card, i need to find a solaris supported one... ok[09:59:12] <freetown> timeless, yeah...one that has a solaris driver[09:59:31] * timeless wonders if they ship any to this country (.fi)[09:59:34] <freetown> that ralink a 802.11n card?[09:59:36] <[lewellyn]> there's a ralink third-party driver; is your card not supported?[10:00:16] <freetown> check this out: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-0724/gfonv?l=fr)&a=view[10:00:35] <freetown> ralink rt2500 is supported...[10:00:41] <[lewellyn]> oh, it's not third-party[10:01:02] <[lewellyn]> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2007070902/ is the link i found[10:03:01] <freetown> i guess timeless has been here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/[10:03:26] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[10:04:00] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris[10:04:48] <timeless> so, i've tried to use wificonfig[10:05:27] <timeless> and it didn't like wificonfig -i ral or -i ral0 or any other combinationsa i could imagine (i'm not very imaginative)[10:05:29] <_setuid_H> timeless: use dlaadm instead[10:05:35] <_setuid_H> dladm[10:05:53] <_setuid_H> anyway morning everybody[10:05:58] <[lewellyn]> blorp[10:06:26] <timeless> good morning[10:07:06] <freetown> well...timeless has the RT2561/RT61 chipset...i guess it don't work with the rt2500 driver[10:07:47] <timeless> _setuid: i tried dladm show-dev[10:07:48] <lblume> 'afternoon.[10:07:56] <timeless> and it gave me the usage message[10:09:04] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[10:09:12] * timeless gets terribly lost among these commands[10:10:01] <timeless> dladm show-phys just shows my ethernet card[10:10:44] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[10:11:29] <timeless> is there some other command-arg i should try?[10:11:33] <freetown> timeless, try the rum driver....rt2501 seems to be related to rt2561 roo[10:11:52] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[10:11:58] <timeless> "how"[10:12:04] <freetown> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/rum/[10:12:12] <freetown> install snv105 :P[10:12:23] <timeless> i have 109[10:12:27] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:12:41] <timeless> rather the box is running 109 and has the card[10:12:46] <freetown> SUNWrum[10:13:17] <timeless> timeless@swift:~$ pfexec pkg search SUNWrum[10:13:20] <timeless> ?[10:13:23] *** mib_0hwhra has joined #opensolaris[10:13:32] <mib_0hwhra> hi[10:13:33] <freetown> or install this: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/downloads/rum-0.1-pkg.tar.gz?[10:13:42] <mib_0hwhra> i have installed linux[10:13:55] <mib_0hwhra> linux grub doesnt support opensolaris[10:14:00] <freetown> hahahaha[10:14:04] <mib_0hwhra> i have put entry in menu.lst[10:14:08] <freetown> you mean it does not support zfs[10:14:14] <mib_0hwhra> yes[10:14:17] <mib_0hwhra> findroot[10:14:22] <mib_0hwhra> is not there in linux grub[10:14:31] <freetown> so install opensolaris grub[10:14:34] <freetown> :D[10:14:41] <mib_0hwhra> can anyone say how to install grub again in opensolaris[10:14:48] <freetown> run livecd[10:14:54] <e^ipi> tried "installgrub" ?[10:14:55] <mib_0hwhra> and then[10:15:08] <freetown> what e^ipi said[10:15:17] <[lewellyn]> yes. plain grub isn't "smart" enough to deal with zfs[10:15:25] <e^ipi> we submitted patches[10:15:30] <[lewellyn]> of course, plain grub is "dead" and grub 2 isn't yet "stable" :P[10:15:36] <mib_0hwhra> installgrub is enough[10:15:36] <freetown> heh[10:15:42] <e^ipi> GRUB didn't take them[10:15:45] <e^ipi> "no new features"[10:15:46] <mib_0hwhra> or i have to pass any argument?[10:15:55] <e^ipi> mib_0hwhra: of course you do[10:16:00] <e^ipi> the manual pages document how[10:16:02] <freetown> or maybe they were really GNU[10:16:06] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: yeah. old grub is dead. they want everyone to start using the not-yet-stable grub2[10:16:28] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: unstable would be fine... grub2 doesn't even work at all[10:16:30] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[10:16:44] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: i was being generous ;)[10:16:53] <[lewellyn]> note the "dead" and "stable" in quotes ;)[10:17:22] <[lewellyn]> honestly, i wish there was a better bootloader available than grub[10:17:23] <timeless> devfsadm: driver failed to attach: rum[10:17:23] <timeless> Warning: Driver (rum) successfully added to system but failed to attach[10:17:24] <e^ipi> i could understand feature-freezing the old version if the new one worked but was a little buggy[10:17:41] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: isn't grub an official fsf project?[10:17:49] <e^ipi> maybe[10:17:56] *** aramdune has joined #opensolaris[10:18:09] <freetown> long live lilo![10:18:18] <[lewellyn]> <flamesuit status="on"> that'd probably be why they're trying to get people to use an unusable product ;) </flamesuit>[10:18:36] <[lewellyn]> freetown: if lilo dealt with the multiboot specification properly, it'd be viable[10:18:54] *** Phenox_ has joined #OpenSolaris[10:18:55] <freetown> ah...where is my jetpack...gotta run quick...[10:19:03] <timeless> wll, thanks[10:19:05] <[lewellyn]> or if fbsd's bootloader were easier to figure out how to set up... :P[10:19:06] <timeless> have a good week[10:19:22] <freetown> rum work for you timeless ?[10:19:23] <[lewellyn]> freetown: have a good one :)[10:19:59] <[lewellyn]> is anyone aware of any other complaints that rms/fsf have against cddl aside from the patent stuff?[10:20:13] <freetown> [lewellyn], well...i will just coming back to the zfs mount panic box again tomorrow...sigh[10:20:22] <timeless> freetown: it installed and couldnt attach[10:20:24] <[lewellyn]> freetown: well, maybe we can compare notes :)[10:20:27] <timeless> so i assume that means it didn't like me[10:20:29] <e^ipi> no, it's mostly just "we can't steal your stuff and relicense it like we do with BSD... *waah*"[10:20:48] <monsted> [lewellyn]: i would expect rms to dislike CDDL just because it isn't GPL[10:20:52] <[lewellyn]> freetown: mdb+zdb=yay :P[10:20:56] <freetown> [lewellyn], eh? you've dealt with a zfs mount panic?[10:21:05] <timeless> lewellyn: speaking of zdb[10:21:13] <[lewellyn]> no. i did better to my rpool than that :D[10:21:19] <timeless> once i go to the store, can you help me try to use zdb_ :)[10:21:23] <[lewellyn]> zpool thinks all is well, but it's not :P[10:21:37] <[lewellyn]> it's 0130 here. no zdb right now for me :P[10:21:44] <timeless> heh[10:21:51] <timeless> ?9hr then_[10:22:00] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: the official statement is that it mentions software patents, so the license is incompatible. :P[10:22:02] <freetown> [lewellyn], okay, i try tomorrow then[10:22:23] <[lewellyn]> when i work with zdb depends on when i wake up, which depends on when i get sleep ;)[10:22:36] <timeless> alright[10:22:49] <timeless> if im aroudn and you're awake, 'll almost certainly need help[10:22:59] <timeless> my zpool's wrappings were replaced by FAT32[10:23:03] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[10:23:15] <timeless> and i'm praying i can find and rebuild the zpool bits and recover my data[10:23:16] <timeless> :=[10:23:36] <freetown> [lewellyn], sure...i have this zpool taht have cleared scrubbing but invokes a panic if gets mounted[10:23:38] <[lewellyn]> timeless: heh. my zpool has holes, apparently :P[10:23:51] <[lewellyn]> freetown: i'm afraid to scrub mine :([10:24:11] <[lewellyn]> the kernel hangs if i try to mount it, though[10:24:11] <freetown> [lewellyn], ....so mine is better shape?[10:24:22] <freetown> [lewellyn], oh[10:24:24] <[lewellyn]> so i don't altroot it :P[10:24:42] <freetown> [lewellyn], i thought you got it mounted and moved data off :-P[10:24:42] <[lewellyn]> which means zdb till i figure out enough of what the hell's going on to fix it[10:24:59] <[lewellyn]> freetown: can't get it mounted. zpool sees it and claims it's clean :P[10:25:00] <timeless> lewellyn: holes sound like fun[10:25:07] <timeless> but at least your zpool can be found[10:25:12] <timeless> first i have to find muine[10:25:30] <freetown> [lewellyn], yeah, mine says clean, passed a full scrub but no mounting allowed[10:25:31] <timeless> (but seriously, you have my sympathies)[10:25:53] *** mib_0hwhra has quit IRC[10:25:57] <[lewellyn]> timeless: maybe once you get it to mount, all 3 of us will be in the same boat :)[10:26:01] <psychicist> I'm getting a little bit scared reading about all the misfortunes you're all having with zfs[10:26:14] <freetown> anyhows, i hope the upgrade to snv110 miraculously solves it[10:26:30] <[lewellyn]> psychicist: zfs has edge conditions still :P[10:26:34] <timeless> psychicist: i'm using OSX[10:26:41] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[10:26:42] <timeless> so it's not sun's fault[10:26:42] <[lewellyn]> freetown: it's my rpool. can't do that yet :P[10:26:56] <timeless> the zpools i have w/ solaris work fine and have for years[10:27:02] <freetown> psychicist, i only got mine...after a blasted UPS knock the box out twice...but then maybe it would have happened on the next reboot...[10:27:08] <[lewellyn]> and what i did is not documented to work with zfs, but it works with other filesystems :P[10:27:20] <freetown> 2GB + tens of thousands of snapshots is not a good combination i gather[10:27:20] <timeless> wtf did you do?[10:27:32] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[10:27:36] <timeless> freetown: 2gb? why bother?[10:27:41] <[lewellyn]> timeless: me?[10:27:56] <[lewellyn]> i block-level moved the filesystem up a few gigs on the disk ;)[10:28:00] <timeless> i have hundreds of snapshots in about 350Gb[10:28:00] <freetown> timeless, i had no idea the nubmer of snapshots was also tied to RAM[10:28:25] <timeless> lewellyn: CLEVER[10:28:37] <timeless> why?[10:28:39] <[lewellyn]> and time slider filled my disk overnight when i had tried that, so i learnt quick about zfs's lack of low-disk-space sanity :P[10:28:46] *** mib_aaom95 has joined #opensolaris[10:28:58] <timeless> oh yeah, i hit that a year or so ago :)[10:29:06] <e^ipi> psychicist: my first zpool, built about 3 years ago, is still running[10:29:09] <timeless> but thankfully zpool add or whatever was nice[10:29:09] <[lewellyn]> timeless: for whatever reason, the partition was created with about 20 gb slack space around it by the solaris 10 installer[10:29:15] <freetown> [lewellyn], you are scaring me...that means i need a big disk for the system drive....[10:29:23] <[lewellyn]> (i couldn't use sxce's as it crashed every time i tried to partition the disk)[10:29:45] <timeless> anyway, i need to go shopping[10:29:48] <timeless> have a good night[10:29:54] <freetown> you too[10:29:59] <mib_aaom95> hi no need to install installgrub[10:30:05] <[lewellyn]> since i have 4 primary partitions, i really only had the option of moving the partition, then eventually learning how to properly grow it[10:30:10] <[lewellyn]> sleep well, timeless[10:30:15] <e^ipi> freetown: 20 gigs or so will do you[10:30:19] <[lewellyn]> mib_aaom95: you made the solaris partition active? :)[10:30:20] <mib_aaom95> rootnoverify is enough to getback the opensolaris grub[10:30:24] <e^ipi> hardly "big" by any stretch of the imagination[10:30:34] <mib_aaom95> if you specify rootnoverify[10:30:42] <e^ipi> well, unless it's the 1980's[10:30:47] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:30:54] <freetown> e^ipi, :-D. I ahve this beadm that reports 16777xxx.xxT but zfs list shows 30.5G....[10:30:55] <mib_aaom95> is enough out old grub is coming[10:31:03] <[lewellyn]> mib_aaom95: just set the partition active and use only solaris grub :)[10:31:12] <[lewellyn]> mib_aaom95: it will be saner for you :)[10:31:15] <mib_aaom95> let me try[10:31:24] <e^ipi> but since i'm not listening to joy division, it's not the 1980's[10:31:32] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: btw, are the solaris grub patches readily available? i'm trying to come up with a grub patchset ;)[10:31:49] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: no, we don't keep patches[10:31:59] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: then what did you submit? :P[10:32:00] <freetown> man, maybe i should just copy my configs and install 2008.11 on the system drive and import the blasted pool and hope all goes well. this upgrade business is taking rather long.[10:32:17] <freetown> cya all tomorrow[10:32:21] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:32:24] <[lewellyn]> freetown: be safe[10:32:29] <psychicist> e^ipi: I understand, it's actually good for development of the zfs file system that people are testing the limitations of it. it will only help increase the robustness for production uses, I'd be scared to use something like ext3 for continuous operations[10:32:33] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: likely a .diff[10:32:35] *** c00p has quit IRC[10:32:44] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: that's what i'm looking for :P[10:32:51] <e^ipi> i don't think anyone's kept it around[10:33:17] <e^ipi> and even if they did, sun's network is gigantic and nobody'll ever find it[10:33:29] <e^ipi> i've been looking for the itanium port of solaris8 for months[10:33:38] <e^ipi> just for kicks[10:34:29] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[10:34:48] <psychicist> I've read about a feature-complete itanium port for some time, I wonder why it was never released[10:35:10] <e^ipi> nfi[10:35:46] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: when are you moving to Brisbane?[10:36:02] *** gerard131 has joined #opensolaris[10:36:16] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: one would assume that if there was a patch submitted to the grub people, it'd be around *somewhere* :P[10:36:52] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: moving?[10:36:57] <e^ipi> I'm coming out to visit[10:37:09] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: well, given you spend so much of your life in my timezone... :)[10:37:10] <[lewellyn]> all google is finding is mentions that they've gpled it :P[10:37:38] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: it really should just be one or two files[10:37:47] <e^ipi> and they're probably named something like zfs.c and zfs.h[10:39:00] <lblume> [lewellyn]: Path to a version of grub that's been declared obsolete by its maintainers years ago? :-)[10:39:48] <[lewellyn]> lblume: not like there's a viable alternative :P[10:40:06] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/grub/grub-0.97/stage2/[10:40:12] <e^ipi> everything that contains 'zfs' in the name[10:40:30] <[lewellyn]> i still don't understand this "stage2" thing with grub :P[10:41:15] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[10:41:49] <e^ipi> BIOS is stupid[10:42:02] <e^ipi> stage1 deals with the stupidness... jumping to protected mode, etc[10:42:05] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris[10:42:16] <e^ipi> stage2 has a bit more room to work in[10:42:29] <e^ipi> ( because stage1 already dealt with retarded 1979 assumptions )[10:42:35] <e^ipi> hate intel...[10:42:39] <lblume> Goes beyond 640 KB?[10:42:52] <[lewellyn]> lblume: track 0 size[10:43:10] <[lewellyn]> but i thought stage 2 was intended to be modular[10:43:28] *** e-jat has quit IRC[10:43:51] <lblume> e^ipi: Why Intel? Blame the customers that are still buying a 30 years old architecture. Intel tried several times to move them away, they didn't move :-)[10:44:20] <[lewellyn]> they've been trying to move for 20 years ;)[10:45:03] <monsted> blame OS vendors who still don't support EFI[10:45:10] *** luc_ has quit IRC[10:45:34] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:46:08] <e^ipi> why EFI and not openfirmware like everybody else ? because NIH.[10:46:41] <wdp> blame me[10:46:43] <wdp> im happy today[10:46:48] <wdp> i need it[10:46:50] <wdp> err[10:46:50] <wdp> hi[10:46:57] <psychicist> I thought I was a self-confessed intel hater, it looks like there are more people thinking like that[10:47:23] <wdp> dunno. is it a question about the architecture or about intel as company?[10:47:27] <wdp> i prefer for example amd.[10:47:34] <wdp> though the architecture is the same, or not? :)[10:47:44] <[lewellyn]> psychicist: intel hasn't done anything wrong; they only can do what people will buy[10:47:58] <[lewellyn]> and amd has to remain compatible to intel ;)[10:47:58] <e^ipi> intel's a good company overall, their architecture just sucks[10:48:10] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: blame ibm and microsoft, not intel[10:48:15] <e^ipi> the peripheral stuff is decent[10:48:17] <wdp> e^ipi, yep[10:48:28] <e^ipi> e1000g and the intel chipsets and video chips are good[10:48:34] <wdp> video? no[10:48:37] <wdp> e1000g ye[10:48:37] <e^ipi> just x86 should've died 20 years ago[10:48:38] <wdp> :-P[10:48:42] <psychicist> mostly the architecture, but I'm not very fond of the company for my own reasons. that doesn't mean they're not doing a good job nowadays[10:48:52] <e^ipi> the video's good... not performant, but stable and does the job[10:48:54] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: intel TRIED killing x86 in the 80s :P[10:49:05] <lblume> Aaaaaanyway, blame the Japanese company that ordered Intel the first 4004 design from which it all started :-)[10:49:08] <wdp> let's blame apple[10:49:12] <wdp> :P[10:49:15] <[lewellyn]> the last x86 chip was supposed to be the 286 in 1982[10:49:17] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[10:50:09] <lblume> Stupid, stupid customers that never know what's good for them, and keep buying what does the job for them instead.[10:50:50] <[lewellyn]> lblume: again, ibm and microsoft (thanks to os/2) tried to extend the 286 farther than the "build a bit on 186 to offer a migration path away" that intel wanted :P[10:51:16] <[lewellyn]> i actually still like the 80186/8[10:51:17] <Tempt> Amusing that slashdot run an article whining about memory reliability on x86.[10:51:48] <[lewellyn]> the problem was that os/2 needed protected mode. x86 wasn't "made" for protected mode.[10:52:08] <[lewellyn]> Tempt: what? someone isn't running JEDAC-compliant ram? :P[10:52:38] <Tempt> The general whinge of wah wah my cheap RAM might not be perfect wah wah[10:53:35] <[lewellyn]> yeah. buy good ram, and you don't have issues. that's (part of) why apple's ram is expensive; they have strict rules on what their machines accept[10:53:36] <Tempt> And the hilarious bit about linux doesn't suffer from RAM failures.[10:53:42] <[lewellyn]> oh haha. that's rich[10:53:56] * Tempt breaks into a coughing fit at [lewellyn]'s Apple remark.[10:54:14] <[lewellyn]> Tempt: macs fail far more readily than average pc if you try to drop crap ram in em :)[10:54:41] <Tempt> Apple hasn't used ECC memory .. ever?[10:54:52] <Tempt> They dropped parity RAM .. a long time ago.[10:54:58] <monsted> Tempt: the Mac Pro uses ECC[10:54:59] <[lewellyn]> most of the time when i have to deal with an unstable mac, it's been upgraded with cheap ram which isn't JEDAC compliant[10:55:11] <palowoda> Obama only uses ECC memory in his Blackberry and will fire any CEO that doesn't use ECC.[10:55:16] <Tempt> monsted: It'd want to, for that price ;-)[10:55:27] <[lewellyn]> "where'd you get this ram? i don't recognize any of the names on it..." "um. i think newegg. it was the cheapest"[10:55:47] <Tempt> It doesn't actually cost that much to get brand name RAM, that's the funny bit.[10:55:54] <monsted> kingston apple-ready sets aren't too bad[10:56:16] <[lewellyn]> Tempt: especially if you buy direct from certain manufacturers :)[10:57:15] <Tempt> Anyway, ECC RAM for all.[10:57:16] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[10:57:19] <Tempt> That'd be the sensible approach.[10:57:31] <[lewellyn]> as hideous as omni technologies likes their site to be, their ram is awesome[10:57:32] *** yarihm has quit IRC[10:58:47] <[lewellyn]> i've gotten a few dells with omni ram (rebranded with dell logos, of course) in them. never have had a problem with either their ecc or non-ecc ram in any box.[10:59:36] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[11:00:35] <tsoome> few machines and your conclusion is its awesome?:P[11:00:57] <Tempt> Hmm, what's in this machine?[11:01:20] <palowoda> You get what you pay for.[11:01:29] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[11:01:44] <Tempt> Mitsubishi, Infineon, Samsung[11:02:41] <[lewellyn]> tsoome: i've only gotten a few machines with it stock[11:03:08] <tsoome> you really cant draw conclusions based on few machines;)[11:03:21] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[11:03:37] <[lewellyn]> tsoome: i've probably only installed it in about 200 or 300 machines, so yes. i admit my sample is small[11:04:11] <tsoome> only thing you *can* say is i have had no issues so far:D[11:04:19] <[lewellyn]> but their ram's given me no issues, as opposed to generic "i got it from <cheapass internet vendor>"[11:05:20] <tsoome> I have had no issues with memory as well, but as i see support requests, they still do exist:D[11:05:31] <[lewellyn]> in any event, i hope that if i ever have an issue with their ram, their rma process is smoother than crucial's[11:05:37] <[lewellyn]> i HATE doing crucial rmas :P[11:06:03] <Tempt> Last I looked at their warranty/RMA policy, they required you to wear the shipping costs and use original packaging.[11:06:07] <_setuid_H> Is here somebody familiar with sun java webserver 7 fn rewrite[11:06:08] <Tempt> Great when it breaks three months later.[11:06:13] <codestr0m> quick q.. onnv_112 03/30/2009 04/06/2009[11:06:13] <[lewellyn]> i've gotten emails like "are you sure the ram is faulty? it boots on a test machine":P[11:06:28] <codestr0m> does that mean the tag for 112 it cut today or on the 6th?[11:06:47] <[lewellyn]> Tempt: i send back to crucial in better packaging than they use to ship their ram. :P[11:07:21] <[lewellyn]> their packaging actually kind of sucks. even kingston's got better packaging :P[11:07:51] *** e-jat has quit IRC[11:08:51] <palowoda> codestr0m: How does the date affect you?[11:08:58] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris[11:10:17] <codestr0m> palowoda: because it lets me know if I can start packaging 112 on the 30th or have to wait a few more days.. right now I'm on 107 and I'd like to move asap so I don't waste some time fixing things already fixed[11:10:38] <codestr0m> (may just save me work is all)[11:10:39] *** cypromis has quit IRC[11:11:52] <[lewellyn]> anyone here familiar with opensolaris's grub, intimately?[11:12:20] <palowoda> codestr0m: I'd wait the few more days if you think the fixes are important.[11:12:32] <[lewellyn]> i'm thinking of snarfing that and patching it instead of using "vanilla" and trying to make a zfs-changes-only patchset from what's on src[11:13:06] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis[11:13:13] <codestr0m> palowoda: it's a zfs performance regression.. and I'd like to start packaging 112 as soon as I can.. anyway.. I'll watch for the tag cut.. thanks[11:13:22] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[11:13:26] <mib_aaom95> anyone knows about zfs-fuse[11:13:42] <[lewellyn]> mib_aaom95: few people in here use linux, just fyi :)[11:14:40] <codestr0m> mib_aaom95: I'd try to ping the author, but he's kinda busy or doesn't respond afaik[11:14:50] <codestr0m> I was going to try to organize a gsoc project out of some new features in there, but got no reply[11:15:32] <palowoda> zfs fuse is kind of a no reply issue to begin with.[11:16:24] <[lewellyn]> hm. ok. it seems that the opensolaris has a few of the patches in the patchset i'm collecting. this is gonna be fun :P[11:16:27] <mib_aaom95> I tried to compile to see opensolaris partiontion[11:16:33] <mib_aaom95> but it is not working[11:16:34] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[11:16:43] <mib_aaom95> need to try something on that[11:18:23] <palowoda> Lot's of developers are patching opensolaris these days.[11:19:17] <Tempt> lots of cyclists patching tyres, too.[11:19:59] <palowoda> Heh, love the spelling tyres.[11:20:11] <Tempt> Regional flavour[11:20:30] <JWheeler> or put another way, it's spelt that way in most places outside the US isn't it?[11:21:10] <[lewellyn]> does opensolaris's grub support PXE/TFTP? i'm not seeing that immediately[11:21:25] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[11:24:57] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[11:25:09] *** niq has quit IRC[11:25:38] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[11:26:04] *** Asad2005_ has quit IRC[11:27:12] <[lewellyn]> alternatively, does anyone know if any of the regulars in this channel hack on opensolaris's grub?[11:28:03] <palowoda> Tempt: Just adding a little colour.[11:28:16] <Tempt> :-)[11:28:19] *** mib_aaom95 has quit IRC[11:28:21] *** mitrox has quit IRC[11:28:52] *** lesterc__ has quit IRC[11:31:01] *** devians__ has joined #opensolaris[11:32:31] <[lewellyn]> oh ugh. comparing the ChangeLog against these patches is more than i want to do right now :P[11:32:55] *** derchris has quit IRC[11:33:04] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[11:33:04] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[11:33:07] * [lewellyn] heads back to linuxland to fight with it, instead.[11:34:38] *** Asad2005_ has joined #opensolaris[11:34:46] *** Posterdati has quit IRC[11:35:05] *** d6g is now known as d6g|away[11:35:57] *** Posterdati has joined #opensolaris[11:37:31] *** d6g|away is now known as d6g[11:40:01] *** d6g is now known as d6g|away[11:43:00] *** devians_ has quit IRC[11:49:30] *** sophokles1 has quit IRC[11:52:44] *** SolarisGuy has joined #opensolaris[11:52:50] *** e1kg has quit IRC[11:52:58] *** geh_meh_geh has joined #opensolaris[11:53:19] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[11:53:25] *** duality has quit IRC[11:55:27] *** e-jat has quit IRC[11:55:38] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[11:56:41] *** cypromis has quit IRC[12:00:23] *** hajma has quit IRC[12:03:26] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[12:03:42] *** hajma has quit IRC[12:04:49] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[12:07:06] *** taltamir has quit IRC[12:08:39] *** jteo has quit IRC[12:09:42] *** linma has quit IRC[12:15:58] *** pgr has quit IRC[12:22:51] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[12:23:07] *** loke__ has joined #opensolaris[12:27:27] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[12:27:37] *** Guest23224 has joined #opensolaris[12:28:11] *** d6g|away is now known as d6g[12:28:29] *** alhazred has joined #opensolaris[12:29:41] <Asad2005_> How do i restart x server from command line[12:30:20] <hrist> svcadm restart gdm?[12:37:13] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[12:38:28] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris[12:39:18] *** loke_ has quit IRC[12:41:07] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[12:42:42] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[12:45:36] *** nazruto_kecil has joined #opensolaris[12:48:22] *** nazruto_kecil has quit IRC[12:48:22] *** PatrickAle has quit IRC[12:48:23] *** Gekz has quit IRC[12:48:27] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[12:48:30] *** Posterdati has quit IRC[12:49:16] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[12:50:51] *** d6g is now known as d6g|away[12:51:58] *** Posterdati has joined #opensolaris[12:52:44] *** mroconno1_ has joined #opensolaris[12:52:46] *** lesterc has quit IRC[12:52:49] *** timelE61i has joined #opensolaris[12:52:53] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[12:52:54] *** timelE61i has quit IRC[12:52:59] *** mroconno1_ is now known as mroconnor[12:53:57] *** nazruto_kecil has joined #opensolaris[12:55:34] *** timelE61i has joined #opensolaris[12:55:58] <chrisg> buh[12:56:15] <chrisg> wish i could get image-update working from livecd[12:56:16] <chrisg> :([12:56:20] <timelE61i> so... I've plugged my macbookpro in w/ a firewire cable in target disk mode[12:57:36] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[12:57:42] <palowoda> chrisg: Just use a build of the livecd that is recent.[12:58:52] *** geh_meh_geh is now known as gehmehgeh[12:59:21] <ofu> how is memory scrubbing done on a niagara system?[12:59:38] <chrisg> palowoda: why? i get a out of disk space issue when its trtying to update the catalogues[12:59:41] <chrisg> or is that why?[12:59:43] <chrisg> ohh[12:59:49] <chrisg> it wont try to update the catalogue will it i guess[12:59:49] <[lewellyn]> hm. i'm becoming convinced that sun sent me a bunk 2008.11 cd :P[12:59:49] <ofu> those old docs talk about ecc_softerr_* on sol8/9[12:59:51] *** d6g|away is now known as d6g[12:59:51] <chrisg> 'cauise it'll be recent[13:00:23] <palowoda> chrisg: Just boot the build 110 of the livecd and get over it.[13:00:44] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[13:00:54] <chrisg> palowoda: get over what?[13:00:54] <chrisg> lol[13:01:07] <palowoda> Trying to update a livecd.[13:01:10] <chrisg> no[13:01:13] <chrisg> im trying to update a broken be[13:01:47] <palowoda> You said update a livecd.[13:01:58] <chrisg> "from" livecd[13:02:21] <chrisg> i can understand why you'd make the assumption, but i diddnt actually want to update a livecd :P[13:02:25] <chrisg> that would be silly[13:02:27] <chrisg> :)[13:03:09] <Wulfen> I'm getting some errors on AVS, zfs1 rdc: [ID 701429 kern.info] NOTICE: sndr: zfs2:/dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s0 entered logging mode: net write failed <- with autosync it isn't a large problem, but I haven't been able to find anything on this error message anywhere[13:05:39] <palowoda> chrisg: Well what do you mean by updating "from" a livecd?[13:05:58] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[13:06:47] *** e-jat has quit IRC[13:06:59] *** SolarisGuy has quit IRC[13:07:41] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[13:08:30] *** e-jat has quit IRC[13:10:26] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[13:11:30] <chrisg> palowoda: i'm booted from a livecd[13:11:35] <chrisg> and want to update a be that's on a disk in the machine[13:11:46] <chrisg> that wont boot propery, as i have a feeling it#'s 'cause an update failed a while ago[13:11:54] <chrisg> i think its on its way anyway now[13:12:12] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[13:12:38] *** Asad2005_ has quit IRC[13:13:23] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris[13:13:45] <palowoda> chrisg: Good it's on it's way now. 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I cannot use the on board disk cache due to the root filesystem needing a partition and can't be labeled (Something VOL)? ie, my database can't use the disk cache?[15:38:08] <C_Kode> because I don't have other drives to allocate the entire disk and have solaris label it whatever that is?[15:38:39] <CosmicDJ> C_Kode: are you using the whole disk for opensolaris?[15:38:56] <tsoome> rpool is in slice always[15:38:58] <C_Kode> Well, the server[15:39:04] <asyd> I think you misunderstand disk cache for zfs, and fs cache[15:39:32] <C_Kode> Yes, I was reading about zfs and it said if you use a partition, then zfs can't label the entire disk and there for cannot use the drive on board cache.[15:39:33] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: that doesn't matter, I had opensolaris on a scsi disk (whole disk) and write/readcache was enabled[15:40:02] <CosmicDJ> C_Kode: is that a scsi disk? use the format command to check if caching is enabled[15:40:06] *** klg1 has joined #opensolaris[15:40:43] <C_Kode> CosmicDJ: Well, two servers have SATAII drives, the other two (primary DB servers) have 10K rpm SAS drives[15:41:05] <C_Kode> They aren't running Solaris yet.[15:41:23] <C_Kode> I'm looking at Solaris as an option for the benefits of zfs snapshots for backup.[15:41:32] *** Guest75374 has quit IRC[15:41:40] <C_Kode> Currently their running RHEL[15:41:48] <C_Kode> Actually CentOS[15:42:12] <C_Kode> but if I can't use their disk cache, heh thats probably not an option.[15:42:40] <[lewellyn]> swap?[15:42:43] <tsoome> snapshots are only a fraction[15:43:12] <CosmicDJ> C_Kode: well, as I said, I did a testinstallio of 2008.11 a few month ago and the cache was enabled (checked "use whole disk" during installation"[15:43:23] <CosmicDJ> s/"$/)/[15:43:32] <trygvis> CosmicDJ: how do you check the cache?[15:43:49] <C_Kode> snapshots are mostly all I need. They are already battery backedd raid1[15:43:59] <CosmicDJ> trygvis: as I said, it was a scsi disk and you can check that with the format command (IIRC you need the -e flat)[15:44:08] <CosmicDJ> s/flat/flag/ grmbl[15:46:00] <CosmicDJ> trygvis: http://pastebin.com/m7de20db8 should look like this[15:46:57] <CosmicDJ> but no idea how to check ata/sata...[15:48:12] *** geek_cl has joined #opensolaris[15:48:45] *** geek_cl has left #opensolaris[15:48:55] *** geek_cl has joined #opensolaris[15:49:40] *** wdp has quit IRC[15:51:01] *** lesterc has quit IRC[15:51:31] *** rno has joined #opensolaris[15:53:30] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[15:55:08] *** hugohagogo_ has joined #opensolaris[15:55:35] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[15:56:30] *** hugohagogo_ is now known as hugohagogo[15:57:18] <sickness> so maybe it's ram, anyway, I will see, tnx! :)[15:57:39] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[15:57:58] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[15:59:27] *** phimic has quit IRC[15:59:59] <trygvis> CosmicDJ: aha, ok[16:03:20] <SatManUK> hi, i started installing sxce on my laptop 14 hours ago, after 8 hours it had done 20% after 14 hours its done 42% why is it taking so long?[16:04:05] <SatManUK> 1gb ram on a celeron 2.1ghz processor[16:04:23] <throatwarbler> Did you do a ZFS root install ?[16:05:04] <SatManUK> i think so[16:05:53] <throatwarbler> 2 comments - the memory might be just a touch light for a ZFS root - but still.......... it wouldn't take that long. I don't have much more horsepower than that and I get them done in 30-40 minutes.[16:06:01] <throatwarbler> So the real problem lies elsewhere.[16:06:17] <throatwarbler> Did you do a graphical install ? Can you open a terminal while the installer is running ?[16:06:28] <SatManUK> doing a text based install[16:06:40] *** kenW_ has quit IRC[16:06:43] <throatwarbler> In that case it is very hard to get in and find out what is happening.[16:06:53] *** jp_sf has joined #opensolaris[16:07:05] <SatManUK> throatwarbler: i tried 0811 that failed, i tried 0906 that failed[16:07:18] <SatManUK> not im doing a sxce install its its taking hours![16:07:53] <throatwarbler> It shouldn't take hours. Even if the memory is too small, it would take twice as long - maybe 3x. But not this long.[16:07:55] <jp_sf> Hello, is there a difference between ZFS in opensolaris and Solaris 10 ? (Am a little confused by different version available)[16:08:20] <SatManUK> throatwarbler: i am gonna shut down this install and start again ok[16:08:36] <SatManUK> can you tell me which options to use - as the graphical interface doesn't work at all[16:08:48] *** stchang has left #opensolaris[16:09:05] <jbk> jp_sf: opensolaris contains more recent zfs code, and probably more recent ondisk versions (I haven't compared, but likely)[16:09:30] *** skmm has joined #opensolaris[16:09:38] <throatwarbler> Is that why osol-2008.11 failed ?[16:09:43] <SatManUK> if 0911 supports my wifi card will sxce? (i don't think 0811 did)[16:10:07] <jp_sf> jbk: ah ok great thank you[16:10:08] <throatwarbler> which WIFI ?[16:10:09] <SatManUK> throatwarbler: i just did a live install of os0811[16:10:12] <SatManUK> atheros[16:10:28] <skmm> hile_, i installed osol b110, it seems to work correctly however the fan if my laptop is always running at the maximum speed :x[16:11:28] <throatwarbler> The live CD booted but the install failed ?[16:11:49] <SatManUK> yes[16:12:08] <throatwarbler> Do you have any idea where the install failed ?[16:13:18] <SatManUK> throatwarbler: http://www.pastebin.ca/1374924 08.11 installation log[16:13:56] <skmm> sorry i said "hile_" instead of "hi" tabulation error :p[16:14:51] <SatManUK> 0906 installed, however it just took me to some error console and it wouldn't scan any network ports[16:15:17] <throatwarbler> back to 0811 - did you check the md5sum of the download and again of the burned media ?[16:15:17] <SatManUK> i tried various commands and aparantly something magor wasn't running that should be[16:15:25] <SatManUK> yes it was perfect[16:15:30] <SatManUK> 100% match[16:17:18] *** gaveen_ has joined #opensolaris[16:17:25] *** gaveen has quit IRC[16:18:45] <SatManUK> md5 23176e28d47e61777f6d246e459b795d for osol 0811[16:19:25] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: current sxce supports ath nicely ;)[16:19:33] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[16:19:44] * [lewellyn] uses ath[16:19:49] <SatManUK> good [lewellyn] just why is it takin 24 hours to install :([16:19:55] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[16:20:11] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[16:20:13] <SatManUK> 24 hours of install - probably have no hd left after that![16:20:20] <SatManUK> its been going 15 hours now[16:20:33] *** ken is now known as kenW_[16:20:46] <throatwarbler> I'd like to know what the iostats look like duing the install.[16:21:51] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: it shouldn't take anywhere near that long on real hardware[16:21:58] <lblume> SatManUK: Maybe a bad media or bad drive, most probably some hardware related issue anyway. Try with other ones.[16:21:58] <[lewellyn]> virtualization may be another story, though[16:22:13] <SatManUK> its real on laptop[16:22:28] <SatManUK> i will shut it down and reboot it - see what options to enter and see how long it takes[16:22:34] <SatManUK> is 8gb+ of stuff normal?[16:22:39] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: my laptop takes nowhere *near* 15 hours to install ;)[16:22:51] <[lewellyn]> yup[16:22:57] <SatManUK> ok rebooting from dvd[16:23:05] <SatManUK> lemme do this one step at a time please[16:23:08] <[lewellyn]> allocate at least 20gb to a full sxce install, just to have "breathing room" :)[16:23:17] <[lewellyn]> and boot with the text installer[16:23:31] <SatManUK> ok i will redoo all my partitions from scratch[16:23:34] <[lewellyn]> this is 110?[16:23:48] <[lewellyn]> and is the hard disk only for solaris?[16:23:52] <SatManUK> this is sxce[16:24:01] <lblume> Graphical might be interesting to check if there are read errors.[16:24:03] <SatManUK> i was planning to tri-boot it between solaris, bsd and linux[16:24:08] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: which sxce?[16:24:16] <SatManUK> lblume: graphical crashes my pc[16:24:30] <SatManUK> b110[16:24:37] <[lewellyn]> lblume: no zfs unless he uses a text installer. which he can do under x if they fixed x ;)[16:24:48] <[lewellyn]> x has been broken for a few builds now for installing[16:25:06] <[lewellyn]> alanc would know the status. i think he said 111 to fix it though[16:25:12] <lblume> Why no zfs without text?[16:25:13] *** hardbasta has joined #opensolaris[16:25:15] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[16:25:31] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[16:25:41] <[lewellyn]> lblume: the sxce installer is the "old" solaris installer. just like you can't get a zfs root on solaris 10 with the gui installer[16:25:45] <lblume> It can be the text install inside the GUI[16:25:51] <[lewellyn]> i said that[16:26:02] <[lewellyn]> [07:26:31] [lewellyn] | lblume: no zfs unless he uses a text installer. which he can do under x if they fixed x[16:26:12] <lblume> Oh yeah, sorry, my bad, late here, y'know :-)[16:26:19] <[lewellyn]> late here, too ;)[16:26:23] <[lewellyn]> 0730 :([16:26:28] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[16:26:31] <[lewellyn]> and my day is now starting. again.[16:26:52] <lblume> And my SO is asking me why Digital Fortress by Dan Brown sucks thoroughly ;-)[16:27:15] <alanc> lewellyn: the SXCE install GUI isn't being fixed[16:27:18] <SatManUK> Solaris Interactive Text (Console Session)[16:27:23] <SatManUK> i select this yet[16:27:41] <SatManUK> *yes[16:27:45] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[16:27:56] * timeless frowns[16:28:02] <[lewellyn]> alanc: ooh! neat. shall i read that as "the osol installer is getting text mode 'soon'"? ;)[16:28:15] <[lewellyn]> alanc: i guess i have to keep 106 around a while yet :P[16:28:19] <timeless> lblume: is she critiquing it?[16:28:40] <alanc> I don't know when it's getting text install - certainly not until after 2009.06[16:28:42] <[lewellyn]> alanc: so the libs you had mentioned aren't being added?[16:28:50] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[16:29:17] <[lewellyn]> alanc: and i am sorry to have pinged you at such an ungodly early hour on a monday :)[16:29:18] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[16:29:29] <lblume> [lewellyn]: No, *I* am telling her it's not worth reading, not worth its own weight in paper, actually :-)[16:29:30] <flyingparchment> what causes intermittent bursts of high sr, apo and apf, interspersed by 0 sr, apo and apf but high api?[16:29:35] <SatManUK> throatwarbler: lblume [lewellyn] guys i select interactive text console[16:29:35] <[lewellyn]> lblume: ?[16:29:43] <alanc> we added the libs - the miniroot builder removes libdbus and puts it in the "gnome libraries to be unpacked only if you're running the SXDE installer" cpio archive, which never gets unpacked[16:29:49] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: that's what you should do :)[16:29:52] <timeless> are WARNING: scsa1394: violates DDI scsi_pkt(9S) normal/expected?[16:30:00] <alanc> and no one wants to touch the miniroot builder anymore[16:30:09] <SatManUK> loading interactive text console[16:30:32] <lblume> [lewellyn]: Was or timeless *sigh* .... Really time for bed.....[16:30:34] <alanc> since Live Upgrade, text install & jumpstart all work, it's not a huge setback[16:30:35] <[lewellyn]> alanc: no biggie. :) but since the osol 2008.11 cd that sun sent me doesn't boot, if i need a "recovery" x session, that leaves me only sxce 106 :)[16:30:43] <timeless> lblume: me[16:31:04] * [lewellyn] needs to make sure he has a half-dozen 106 isos backed up in various places, i think.[16:31:04] <alanc> sparc gui install is fixed in 110[16:31:23] <[lewellyn]> oh neat. too bad all my available sparcs are v100s :)[16:31:26] <timeless> blume: oddly, a neighbor (in finnish equivalent of high school) just read it for school this week or so[16:31:40] <SatManUK> ok UK english[16:31:57] <SatManUK> continue[16:31:59] <[lewellyn]> alanc: since you're around, and i can't find info online, is recent ati hardware supported and accelerated?[16:32:11] <SatManUK> english[16:32:23] <SatManUK> navigation information[16:32:37] <[lewellyn]> like the radeon 3870 or x800?[16:32:45] <alanc> supported, most of it is I think - not even a tiny whiff of 3D acceleration though[16:32:45] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[16:33:17] <[lewellyn]> but 2D acceleration? or does that rely on 3D acceleration on those cards? :P[16:33:39] <alanc> I think there's some 2D acceleration, but I don't really know[16:33:50] <[lewellyn]> mmk. fair enough, thanks :)[16:34:05] <SatManUK> networked yes or no (via wireless)[16:34:14] <[lewellyn]> alanc: one of these days, i need to have a lunch delivered for you or something as a thank you for all your help for my endless questioning :)[16:34:29] <timeless> lewellyn: so,... can you walk me through fighting my phantom disk? :)[16:34:34] * timeless hopes lewellyn slept[16:34:37] <alanc> the kernel DRI/DRM isn't there for those cards, so anything taht needs that won't be accelerated - 3D definitely does, I don't know what, if any, of 2D does[16:34:55] <lblume> timeless: Tell hime I haven't found a single page without some technical absurdity or nonsensical plot piece - the authoer has heard about computer, second-hand, but never seen one in his life, even less met somebody knowing about them :-D[16:35:22] <C_Kode> Hmm.. Anyone installed OpenSolaris on a Penguin Computing Altrus 1600? It's a SuperMicro board, but PC doesn't tells me exactly which one so that I can match it against the HCL.[16:35:42] <timeless> lblume: gah, it's fiction[16:35:54] <timeless> it's about the chase[16:35:59] <timeless> not about the facts[16:36:13] * timeless doesn't understand why geeks can't suspend belief and reality when they read[16:36:19] <[lewellyn]> timeless: um. i'ts 0738 right now. wait till at least 1000 so i can pretend to be awake? :)[16:36:35] <timeless> west coast, ok.[16:36:43] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[16:36:55] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[16:37:02] <lblume> timeless: The chase is ridiculous. Fiction has to be logical as well, else you don't understand the people's motivation.[16:37:07] <[lewellyn]> timeless: also, keep in mind i've not yet actually been successful with zdb and mdb :P[16:37:08] * timeless wonders if there's a tutorial for understanding firewire[16:37:18] <[lewellyn]> define "understanding"?[16:37:30] <timeless> lewellyn: well, first step for me is to figure out if my device has a name, and what it is :)[16:38:03] <timeless> so far i got an error (scsa1394 violates DDI scsi_pkt(9S))[16:38:15] <timeless> which i presume means that my firewire disk was found and unhappy[16:38:26] <timeless> but i don't know where it is in /dev or /devices :)[16:38:47] <timeless> it'd be nice if someone would tell me if i should file a bug about that warning..[16:38:48] * C_Kode wonders what reality is...[16:39:24] *** kenW_ has quit IRC[16:39:28] * timeless goes to hunt for a working laptop or something w/ a window manager[16:39:35] <lblume> timeless: does cfgadm list it?[16:39:36] <timeless> irc'ing from console isn't a good experience[16:39:52] <timeless> doesn't seem to :([16:40:16] <lblume> devfsadm -v says anything?[16:40:47] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[16:40:53] <lblume> Hmmm, cfgadm -alv , should show more.[16:40:58] <timeless> it lists c8 scsi-bus, a couple of sata4/ and a bunch of usb14..usb18/,[16:41:04] *** skmm has quit IRC[16:41:58] <SatManUK> do i want standard install or flash[16:42:14] <timeless> lblume: that seems to show more columns but not more devices :([16:42:56] <SatManUK> the load of help indexes failed - no help available[16:42:57] <lblume> And the devfsadm -v ?[16:43:10] <SatManUK> all down to you guys.. standard or flash install? I guess standard?[16:44:05] <lblume> standard, flash is from a flash archive, you probably don't have that.[16:44:21] <timeless> it killed two usb hid's, and then said..[16:44:59] <timeless> SUNW_port_link: port monitor ttymon0 added; SUNW_port_link: /dev/term/0 added to scadm[16:45:51] <lblume> Strange, but unrelated.[16:45:56] <flyingparchment> so if you do one-fs-per-filesystem with zfs, the only way to export those filesystems to another system is with the automounter or nfsv4 referrals, right?[16:46:26] <timeless> flying: you don't count smb?[16:46:54] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[16:48:05] <[lewellyn]> timeless: that doesn't work well except via samba[16:48:17] <[lewellyn]> the internal cifs server doesn't traverse mountpoints[16:48:28] <[lewellyn]> afaict[16:49:58] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[16:51:09] *** faxm0dem has joined #opensolaris[16:51:13] <faxm0dem> hi[16:51:57] <flyingparchment> timeless: no, i'm only talking about NFS[16:52:09] <flyingparchment> (we don't have any windows systems)[16:52:12] *** biafra has joined #opensolaris[16:52:13] *** biafra_ has joined #opensolaris[16:52:22] <[lewellyn]> don't need windows for cifs ;)[16:52:31] <flyingparchment> whatever[16:52:36] <flyingparchment> i'm only talking about nfs[16:52:37] * [lewellyn] uses cifs for osx clients, as their nfs is borked[16:52:42] <[lewellyn]> i use nfs on windows :)[16:52:51] <faxm0dem> I'm running a perl script doing a setsid/uid/gid to a user having dtrace privileges.[16:53:05] <timeless> ok, so, i'm back to my unhappy firewire disk[16:53:05] *** biafra has quit IRC[16:53:05] *** biafra_ has quit IRC[16:53:08] <faxm0dem> however I get "DTrace requires additional privileges"[16:53:09] *** biafra_ has joined #opensolaris[16:53:09] *** biafra has joined #opensolaris[16:53:16] <flyingparchment> [lewellyn]: perhaps you also have a useful answer to the question?[16:53:18] <asyd> pfexec?[16:53:27] <timeless> but first, can someone check something in |man devfsadm| for me?[16:53:35] <faxm0dem> not using pfexec, no[16:53:36] <[lewellyn]> flyingparchment: no, i do not[16:53:47] <[lewellyn]> flyingparchment: i'd be interested in a useful answer ;)[16:53:49] *** biafra has left #opensolaris[16:53:57] <asyd> timeless: sure[16:54:01] <faxm0dem> I guess the privileges are not set right when setuid'ing[16:54:09] <timeless> hrm, looks like my terminal ate one line from the man page :([16:54:15] <[lewellyn]> timeless: i can only check it on solaris 10[16:54:19] <[lewellyn]> timeless: will that do?[16:54:26] <[lewellyn]> timeless: if so, i'll put it online for you :)[16:54:39] *** ikarius__ has quit IRC[16:55:17] <timeless> oh, i'm sure sun has the man pages online[16:55:23] * timeless doesn't really have working browsers here atm[16:55:24] <faxm0dem> asyd: should I?[16:55:41] <timeless> anyway, thanks for the offer, it turned out it was just my terminal :([16:55:45] <lblume> time for bed, bye people![16:56:10] <Cyrille> "the terminal ate my man page" is a new one in terms of excuses...[16:56:22] <faxm0dem> :)[16:56:54] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:57:08] <[lewellyn]> timeless: :P[16:57:14] <[lewellyn]> Cyrille: sadly, no :([16:57:44] *** lblume has left #opensolaris[16:58:14] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[17:01:49] <timeless> so.. i guess this means my 1394 hdd can't be seen?[17:02:23] <timeless> actually, no[17:02:35] <timeless> ls /dev/1394/ shows hda0..3[17:03:01] *** ericjray has quit IRC[17:04:03] *** authentic has quit IRC[17:04:22] *** wms has joined #opensolaris[17:04:25] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris[17:04:35] <SatManUK> sorry to ask agian but do i want standard or flash installation?[17:04:43] <SatManUK> (i got distracted)[17:05:16] <SatManUK> ok[17:05:17] <SatManUK> standard[17:05:19] <SatManUK> i found the reply[17:05:36] <SatManUK> automatic or manual cd - auto i think[17:05:46] <SatManUK> auto reboot[17:06:04] *** sstallion_work has joined #opensolaris[17:06:07] <SatManUK> cd/dvd install[17:06:30] <SatManUK> existing zfs pool detected[17:06:37] <SatManUK> you can't upgrade only install new one[17:06:47] <SatManUK> continue ( i want to delete it)[17:06:58] <SatManUK> loading install media[17:07:14] <timeless> should "pfexec format" be "slow"? :)[17:07:50] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[17:08:11] *** mikefut has quit IRC[17:08:20] <SatManUK> accept licence[17:08:46] <kitche> SatManUK: whya re you telling us what you are exactly doing? just wondering[17:08:46] <faxm0dem> so.. (perl, daemonize, user_attr) anyone?[17:08:49] *** ken has quit IRC[17:09:33] <SatManUK> because i wanna make sure i don't do something wrong - kitche last attempt took 15 hours to reach 40%[17:09:44] <SatManUK> Web Start Product Scan?[17:09:52] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[17:09:52] <SatManUK> whats this do i want dvd or none?[17:10:34] *** javatexan has quit IRC[17:10:38] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[17:12:22] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[17:14:58] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:16:18] *** bedlam has quit IRC[17:16:20] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris[17:18:45] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[17:19:10] <SatManUK> [;[17:19:23] <SatManUK> [lewellyn]: do i use zfs or ufs file system i think its zfs?[17:20:01] <[lewellyn]> you probably want zfs, yes :)[17:20:14] <[lewellyn]> ignore the three of us who have issues with zfs at the moment ;)[17:20:18] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[17:20:37] <faxm0dem> [lewellyn]: 4 ;)[17:20:40] <SatManUK> Entire Diustribution plus oem support[17:20:48] <SatManUK> Entire Distribution[17:20:55] <SatManUK> Developer System Support[17:21:02] <SatManUK> End User System Support[17:21:07] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: you want everything, and you're on a generic pc?[17:21:07] <SatManUK> Core Systen Support[17:21:11] <[lewellyn]> go for Entire Distribution[17:21:18] <SatManUK> yes[17:21:27] <[lewellyn]> it's somewhere between 8 and 9 gigs, installed[17:22:36] <timeless> lewellyn: ok... so i found something that hinted at being my firewire disk[17:23:01] <timeless> pfexec format isn't finishing or starting or giving output past "Searching for disks..."[17:23:13] <Cyrille> they must be hidden well.[17:23:16] <[lewellyn]> :([17:23:16] <SatManUK> yeah its got 10gb hd space so 9.x is fine[17:23:30] <SatManUK> or do i delete all my partitions and repartition it to give it more space?[17:23:35] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: um no. you want to keep at least 5-10 gigs free[17:23:39] <[lewellyn]> you REALLY want to[17:23:48] <SatManUK> ok I will delete the others and start from scratch[17:23:49] <[lewellyn]> *especially* with zfs[17:23:51] <timeless> hrm, and i can't kill the format process[17:24:13] <[lewellyn]> (never let your zfs fill to the brim. bad things happen :P )[17:24:30] <timeless> brim, don't let it get 90% full :)[17:25:29] <SatManUK> 20 gig given[17:25:48] <SatManUK> done it with ext3 and its a reinstall job[17:25:57] <SatManUK> rpool name? rpool?[17:26:04] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:26:15] <[lewellyn]> use rpool, stay sane[17:26:30] <[lewellyn]> you can pretty much just take defaults with sxce ;)[17:26:39] <SatManUK> dataset snv_110[17:27:13] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[17:27:19] <SatManUK> size 20458 size, swap 512 dumb 1014[17:27:41] <SatManUK> is / and /var ok in the same dataset[17:28:14] <tsoome> yes, but depends on your environment[17:28:27] <SatManUK> laptop[17:28:34] <SatManUK> in a laptop its ok[17:28:52] <SatManUK> on a commercial server logs would be located elsewhere maybe as they can get large i know that[17:29:06] <tsoome> well, the hw doesnt matter, what matters is what do you do in os:D[17:29:41] <SatManUK> so tsome do i keep /var with / or not :P yes / no[17:29:43] <tsoome> do you need large mail/print spools, space for logs etc[17:29:52] <SatManUK> nope[17:30:14] <tsoome> you can keep, you can separate[17:30:19] <SatManUK> dont really intend to print or mail from it[17:30:28] <chrisg> er[17:30:30] <chrisg> is it /.reconfigure[17:30:36] <chrisg> the file you touch to force a reconfigure boot?[17:30:52] *** geppy has joined #opensolaris[17:31:08] <tsoome> with separate datasets you have a chance to have separate snapshots for them, rest is not that important anyhow[17:31:23] <tsoome> without .[17:31:29] <tsoome> just /reconfigure[17:31:29] *** arpunk has quit IRC[17:31:33] *** sartek_ has joined #opensolaris[17:31:34] <chrisg> ah[17:31:34] *** sartek has quit IRC[17:31:35] <chrisg> tar[17:31:36] <chrisg> :)[17:31:37] *** Laevar has quit IRC[17:31:43] <chrisg> not sure why i thought it needed to be a "hidden" file[17:31:43] <chrisg> lol[17:31:48] <SatManUK> installing[17:31:59] <chrisg> i managed to get my broken be working[17:32:02] *** arpunk has joined #opensolaris[17:32:14] <chrisg> but its in differnet hardware, so i nee to get it to pick up the new different network card etc :\[17:32:17] <chrisg> oh well[17:32:19] <chrisg> mostly working fine (y)[17:32:39] <geppy> Since ZFS is copy-on-write, I'm assuming that "undelete" is within the realm of possibility. However, I'm not sure that any such utility exists. Before I go about writing my own . . . does anyone know how to undelete things on ZFS? I'd rather not go back to my last snapshot.[17:33:21] <tsoome> there is no undelete[17:33:26] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[17:33:28] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[17:33:34] <geppy> Thanks.[17:33:38] <SatManUK> why does it install french and german languages... what do i need them for?[17:33:43] <tsoome> use trash or snapshot[17:33:49] <geppy> Why not? It's tiny.[17:34:00] <geppy> Yeah, turns out those aren't actually retroactive solutions.[17:34:18] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[17:35:25] <RandalSchwartz> you've never accidentally deleted something before?[17:36:11] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[17:36:12] <bda> If you have a snapshot, why not restore the file(s) from that?[17:36:19] <[lewellyn]> geppy: there's docs on how to undelete on zfs. you don't want to :P[17:36:24] *** Leal has joined #opensolaris[17:36:26] <Tempt> bda: stop talking sense.[17:36:30] <bda> Ok.[17:36:39] <bda> Goopty doopty, blah.[17:36:40] <asyd> huhu[17:36:42] <Leal> Hello.[17:36:43] <geppy> [lewellyn]: Can you point me to them?[17:36:48] * asyd offers beers to the room[17:36:52] <asyd> that's constructive.[17:37:00] <tsoome> snapshots are made exactly for that reason.....[17:37:03] <geppy> Tempt: Your being a jackass doesn't really help anyone.[17:37:07] <bda> geppy: If you have a snapshot, set snapdir=visible on the parent filesystem and go get the files from pool/fs/.zfs/snapshot/...[17:37:38] <C_Kode> So you can pull a single file from a snapshot?[17:37:42] <tsoome> ofc[17:37:43] <bda> Yes.[17:37:45] <geppy> bda: I've made changes since the last snapshot. Will that help at all?[17:37:48] <C_Kode> Nice[17:38:00] <bda> geppy: Not unless you took an intermediate snapshot, no.[17:38:05] <tsoome> check out timeslider[17:38:15] <spiff_> RandalSchwartz: you're the learning perl guy? read your book ages ago. Great stuff![17:38:26] <asyd> C_Kode: you should read/try a bit before asking questions..[17:38:48] <geppy> Can people stop suggesting snapshots? That is a completely fucking worthless response. I deleted a file and need it back. Adding more snapshots now won't help.[17:38:53] <[lewellyn]> i read his book back in the dark ages when i still wrote perl for money ;)[17:39:05] <geppy> [lewellyn]: Can you link me to those docs you mentioned?[17:39:07] <[lewellyn]> geppy: sadly, i don't have the links handy[17:39:14] <geppy> [lewellyn]: Any idea where they were?[17:39:18] <[lewellyn]> google and sun.com will be your best bets. maybe opensolaris.org[17:39:34] <geppy> Yeah, I'm looking on google and opensolaris.org. No luck thus far.[17:39:42] <Tempt> Be ready to slop through your entire raw device hunting for it.[17:39:57] <asyd> geppy: so, use you backups. Or read a *lot* about zfs, but good luck[17:39:58] <tsoome> geppy..... if you have removed file and have no snapshot or saved detailed data from on disk file system, you are screwed[17:39:59] * geppy /ignores tempt[17:40:00] <[lewellyn]> Tempt: that's about the gist of it[17:40:05] <asyd> is that a big file?[17:40:08] <[lewellyn]> geppy: i can tell you that it's a lot of work using zdb[17:40:09] <tsoome> unless you have backup...[17:40:09] * geppy /ignores tsoome[17:40:16] <asyd> /kick geppy[17:40:18] <[lewellyn]> that's all i remember. i came across it a week or so ago[17:40:23] <geppy> [lewellyn]: That doesn't bother me. Thanks![17:40:37] <tsoome> there is no undelete for multi user file systems[17:40:42] <[lewellyn]> let me tell you that zdb is not easy to use[17:40:56] <geppy> [lewellyn]: haha, that's okay. :)[17:41:05] <tsoome> zdb is useless if you dont have file pointer ...[17:41:21] <tsoome> and thet pointer got lost with file...[17:41:26] <geppy> Seriously, what the fuck? This channel is worthless. One helpful person and five flamers.[17:41:26] <Tempt> tsoome: There's taking an image and desperately searching for your data.[17:41:27] <[lewellyn]> tsoome: pretty much[17:41:31] <asyd> I like people complaining about lack of help, but who dosn't answer to questions[17:41:43] <Tempt> tsoome: I've got some tools for UFS like that, but they're years old.[17:41:44] <[lewellyn]> geppy: i'm just telling you the only possible way. epect to spend 50 or 60 hours looking for that file.[17:42:07] <tsoome> ufs is simpler but only a bit[17:42:22] <tsoome> because there are pre-allocated inode tables[17:42:35] <Tempt> It's still a big crawl.[17:42:40] <tsoome> but once data blocks are overwritten....[17:42:45] <Tempt> I gave it a test case on a 4GB volume and it took hours[17:42:50] *** geppy has left #opensolaris[17:42:51] <tsoome> yep[17:42:55] <bda> Jackass.[17:43:11] <chrisg> hmm[17:43:17] <chrisg> my packages in /opt seem to have dissapeared :([17:43:18] <[lewellyn]> um. is mail.opensolaris.org gone or is my dns server borked?[17:43:19] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[17:43:25] <chrisg> after i did image-update[17:43:33] <[lewellyn]> oh wait. it's a 404 not a nxdomain[17:43:34] <Tempt> He left just a few seconds short of a kick anyway.[17:43:36] <asyd> Leal: forks here[17:43:41] <asyd> works, even[17:44:11] <bda> [lewellyn]: It looks like post/file numbers got changed.[17:44:17] <[lewellyn]> bda: :([17:44:23] <[lewellyn]> that makes google useless :P[17:44:23] <asyd> hmm, just saw something about zfs set undelete hmm[17:44:26] <bda> Indeed.[17:44:49] <tsoome> i just dont really get why people dont wanna use backup/snapshots, but are willing to invest "undelete tools" .....[17:44:57] <Tempt> PC users[17:45:00] <Tempt> used to Windows[17:45:02] <asyd> because snapshots take too many space! huhu[17:45:05] <Tempt> plenty of profit selling undelete tools.[17:45:11] <Dorfo> anyone here have tested ndis-1.2.2 over the current build? (110)?[17:45:14] <dizko> i even disable recycle bin when i use windows[17:45:18] <tsoome> you are quite screwed in windows as well[17:45:19] <dizko> just dont fuck up![17:45:23] <Tempt> It's a cultural thing.[17:45:42] <[lewellyn]> dizko: i did that for a while. windows seems to dislike it, upon occasion, however :P[17:45:51] <Tempt> To be fair, I used a magic undelete tool to rescue someone's formatted drive last year[17:46:04] <asyd> now playing: BattleStar Galactica - Main title <3[17:46:09] <Tempt> ran for 11 days and eventually got 90% of files back, mostly sans filenames.[17:46:37] <dizko> i fucked up my partition table and guessed the cylinder boundaries correctly and got it back =)[17:47:00] <Tempt> heh[17:47:14] <tsoome> dizko: thats quite easy thing to do:D[17:47:19] <Tempt> That's why VTOCs go into build documentation.[17:47:32] <[lewellyn]> now that guy's msging me :P[17:47:49] <[lewellyn]> hate when umode +E doesn't stop em :P[17:47:49] <Tempt> [lewellyn]: pastage![17:48:14] <dizko> tempt: was working with site engineering idiots, one site used 1024 per mb, the other used 1000[17:48:23] <Tempt> classy[17:48:26] <tsoome> give him http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/ondiskformat0822.pdf[17:48:28] <dizko> and i got a bit overzealous doing while read | fmthard, etc[17:48:49] *** e345 has joined #opensolaris[17:49:09] <SatManUK> throatwarbler, [lewellyn], thanks for your help guys i done more in 30 mins than i did yesterday in 15 hours![17:49:21] <[lewellyn]> Tempt: http://nopaste.info/f15bbcb1b5.html[17:49:35] <e345> hello. i'm trying to install OpenSolaris on a dell 755 and the system isnt responding to keystrokes at the keyboard layout selection[17:49:36] *** noyb_ has joined #opensolaris[17:49:38] <[lewellyn]> if he has a relatively good understanding of zfs, he wouldn't be trying to undelete a file ;)[17:50:21] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: what was the problem?[17:50:22] *** noyb_ has quit IRC[17:50:29] <Tempt> alright, enough for one night.[17:50:37] <[lewellyn]> you kicking us all now? ;)[17:50:38] <Tempt> 'night all. have fun.[17:50:43] <[lewellyn]> be fun[17:51:26] <SatManUK> night Tempt[17:51:37] <throatwarbler> Good luck SatManUK[17:52:18] <Leal> asyd: did you talk to me? Sorry...[17:53:02] <asyd> Leal: e?! no[17:53:47] <SatManUK> throatwarbler: how long have you been using solaris?[17:54:35] *** klg1 has quit IRC[17:54:58] *** Ayatolla has joined #opensolaris[17:55:04] <Ayatolla> hello folks![17:55:04] *** x83f has joined #opensolaris[17:55:14] <x83f> How do I install packages in opensolaris?[17:55:35] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn], trichobezoar, Berny, I finaly got in to the alom[17:55:36] <Ayatolla> =D[17:55:40] <Ayatolla> now time for installation[17:55:50] <e345> hello?[17:56:26] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[17:56:54] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ without going to kista :P[17:58:09] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: woo![17:58:15] <[lewellyn]> how'd you do it, for future reference?[17:58:33] <[lewellyn]> also, why the hell can you unlink a directory that isn't empty? o_O[17:58:34] <CIA-33> Girish Moodalbail <Girish.Moodalbail at Sun dot COM>: 6818574 IPv6 fragment reassembly time needs to be 60 seconds[17:58:53] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn] with just some oldschool socialengineering =D[17:59:07] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: so you got the password ;)[17:59:11] <Ayatolla> yepp[17:59:17] <[lewellyn]> did you use beer or wine? ;)[17:59:23] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris[17:59:25] <Ayatolla> cookies[17:59:28] <[lewellyn]> woo![17:59:31] *** Erwann has quit IRC[17:59:45] <Ayatolla> =D[18:00:29] <Ayatolla> yeehy, i almost had give up, i'm so damn happy.. i have my own working dual cpu sparc server[18:00:31] <Ayatolla> thihihih[18:00:40] <Ayatolla> now i just need to install os[18:00:55] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[18:01:00] <Ayatolla> i get in to a prompt that says sc>[18:01:04] *** kim0 has quit IRC[18:01:43] <[lewellyn]> :D[18:01:46] <Ayatolla> that's the alom system console i guess.. how do i go on from here to start a installation in text mode from dvd.. i downloaded and burned opensolaris expres b110,[18:01:54] <[lewellyn]> console[18:02:14] <[lewellyn]> then you should be able to boot from your cd :D[18:02:15] <Ayatolla> i have to power on first right?[18:02:19] <[lewellyn]> yeah[18:02:44] <[lewellyn]> with luck, you will drop right into the console at "Initializing Memory..."[18:02:57] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[18:03:01] <e345> can anyone assist me with an opensolaris install?[18:03:14] <[lewellyn]> send a BREAK then, and you will be able to tell it to boot from the cd. you probably want to boot text mode, too[18:03:16] <Ayatolla> i powered on and typed console[18:03:25] <[lewellyn]> e345: put in the disc? :)[18:03:31] <e345> hah, done[18:03:32] <Ayatolla> i get the old "Enter #. to return to ALOM"[18:03:49] <[lewellyn]> e345: sadly, i can't boot the 2008.11 cd, so i dunno how osol installs[18:03:50] <e345> but now the keyboard isnt responding at the default keyboard layout[18:03:52] <Ayatolla> no other output[18:03:58] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: give it a moment?[18:04:04] *** javatexan has quit IRC[18:04:39] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: and did you social engineer whether they redirected the console to ttyb or have it using a funky speed?[18:05:16] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[18:05:28] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn] no man, i was to happy about the passwd so i just took what i got and run off kinda[18:05:39] <[lewellyn]> :P[18:05:53] <[lewellyn]> i wish i knew more about that model, right about now[18:06:34] <ikarius> yech. ramdisk IO speed is sucking on this system. I wonder why.[18:06:39] <Ayatolla> but lets say that it is redirected.. now when i got the sc> prompt, shoulden't i be able to reset/change all the setting to whatever i want?[18:06:45] <ikarius> more testing required.[18:07:11] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: again, i'm not familiar with that ALOM :([18:08:41] <Ayatolla> no but i am[18:08:42] <Ayatolla> =)[18:08:48] <Ayatolla> got to read manuals now[18:09:14] <oninoshik1> hrm... I have a permanent error in a non-exsistant file[18:11:29] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[18:13:19] *** rno has quit IRC[18:19:12] <oninoshik1> I've tried creating then deleteing the file (//tmp/shperfdata_root/89), but for some reason I cant get the error to go away... any ideas?[18:20:02] *** jteo has quit IRC[18:20:34] *** hsp has quit IRC[18:20:53] *** alfism has quit IRC[18:22:55] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[18:23:05] *** mroconno1_ has joined #opensolaris[18:23:10] *** mroconno1_ is now known as mroconnor[18:24:42] <flyingparchment> df: -h option incompatible with unmounted special device (/dev/dsk/c0t0d0s3)[18:24:45] <flyingparchment> ... why?[18:26:02] <oninoshik1> is it part of a pool?[18:26:22] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[18:26:48] *** Dorfo has quit IRC[18:27:03] *** capaz has left #opensolaris[18:27:44] <flyingparchment> no[18:27:51] <flyingparchment> and df works fine on it without -h[18:27:54] <ikarius> hrmm. at best I am getting 300 megabytes/sec throughput on ramdisks I've got set up on a system which uses the nvidia mcp55 chipset. That's half the throughput of systems I've got using Intel 5400 chipsets.[18:28:07] *** hajma has quit IRC[18:28:24] <tough> Hi[18:28:27] <ikarius> the mcp55 chipset is interesting, it has per-CPU memory slots- 4 CPUs, 4 separate sets of dimm sockets[18:28:38] <tough> How to come to know whether dvd is mounted or not[18:28:50] <flyingparchment> i thought all SMP systems (AMD at least) divided memory slots between CPUs[18:29:16] <ikarius> flyingparchment: fair enough- mcp55 is an AMD chipset.[18:29:23] <Asad2005_> where does opensolaris stores the pkg repositories? can i add more ? i am trying to locate liferea news reader[18:29:42] <flyingparchment> ikarius: it's slightly annoying because if you have 4 sockets, and 2 CPUs, you can only use half the memory[18:29:49] <flyingparchment> but i understand it's more efficient than intel's shared bus...[18:30:26] *** mega has joined #opensolaris[18:30:27] <ikarius> flyingparchment: well, it's not performing at the rate of my intel systems. 300 mb/sec IO to/from ramdisks on the AMD system, versus 600 mb/sec on intel systems[18:30:42] <flyingparchment> tried moving it to a different pci slot?[18:30:46] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[18:30:52] <flyingparchment> (is this pci or pcie? or sata?)[18:30:55] <ikarius> any ideas of bits I might look at tweaking to improve the IO?[18:31:06] <ikarius> this is ramdisk... not disk[18:31:08] <Zikla> use "pkg authority" to list repositories, and "pkg set-authority" to add them. See man page for details.[18:31:09] <flyingparchment> i know[18:31:14] <flyingparchment> is the ramdisk's interface pci, pcie or sata?[18:31:30] <flyingparchment> oh, you mean OS-level ramdisk, not hardware[18:31:38] <ikarius> flyingparchment- yes[18:31:59] <Zikla> Hey Rio ^^[18:32:01] <Zikla> Wrong window[18:32:22] <ikarius> even creating two separate ramdisks, trying IO on each of them simultaneously, I get 150 mb/sec on each[18:32:49] <ikarius> so I'm seriously wondering if there's something to tweak[18:33:25] *** Disreali has joined #opensolaris[18:33:35] <monsted> ikarius: switch to intel? ;)[18:34:30] *** Odin- has quit IRC[18:34:50] <Asad2005_> Zikla, pkg authority showed opensolaris.org only where can i find more to add[18:35:24] <ikarius> monsted: well, kind of the point to this system is it takes 256 gig of RAM.[18:35:47] <Ayatolla> any here knows how i can install opensolaris from dvd, i have a sun fire v240, i'm connected via serial mgt, and are in system console sc>, i'm not able to get a ok> prompt, i have tried with both "break" and "console", but all i get then is a test saying press #. to return to alom[18:35:58] <Zikla> I don't know of a central listing of repositories.[18:36:59] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[18:37:07] <[lewellyn]> dude... i swear i've come across like 4 different pages mentioning unlinking non-empty directories today[18:37:18] * [lewellyn] thinks the unlink command is evil :P[18:37:49] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[18:38:00] <prav33n> Hello[18:38:08] <flyingparchment> hmm, if i want to connect rj-45 serial from a terminal server to sun's NET MGMT ports, do i want rollover or straigh-through?[18:38:30] <ikarius> I'm wonder if I should install SXCE b110 instead of osol 2008.11 on it[18:38:38] <ikarius> s/I'm/I/[18:38:46] <oninoshik1> unlink is the command of the devil?[18:38:56] <prav33n> My emacs fonts (running over SSH X forwarding) on OpenSolaris 2009.NEXT client is messed up since updating to snv_110[18:39:02] <prav33n> Does anyone have similar issues?[18:39:35] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[18:39:38] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[18:40:42] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[18:40:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[18:41:40] <Ayatolla> what is FRUID data?[18:42:54] *** e-jat has quit IRC[18:42:58] *** bedlam has quit IRC[18:43:23] <jbk> on sun hw, the FRUs have electronically queryable data[18:43:24] *** gnut has quit IRC[18:43:40] *** Dar has quit IRC[18:43:46] <[lewellyn]> oninoshik1: it lets you perform massive evil[18:43:54] <[lewellyn]> like unlinking non-empty directories :([18:44:03] <[lewellyn]> apparently gnu rm lets you, too[18:44:29] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[18:44:50] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[18:44:52] <trichobezoar> Heh. I did something stupid. lofiadm -a /something/here, then lofiadm -a /dev/lofi/2. instant boom[18:47:22] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris[18:47:22] <postwait> trichobezoar, describe the boom?[18:48:25] <trichobezoar> http://pastebin.com/m728be827[18:49:02] <SatManUK> [lewellyn]: 80% installed this is seriously faster than last night dunno what i did wrong last night[18:49:57] <[lewellyn]> trichobezoar: nice :D[18:50:15] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: too much java? <rimshot> ;)[18:51:02] <SatManUK> jaya?[18:51:12] <SatManUK> i don't understand your joke im sorry[18:51:21] *** axisys has quit IRC[18:51:23] <SatManUK> over my head[18:53:35] *** ahe has quit IRC[18:54:12] <[lewellyn]> java == coffee, known to cause hyperactivity. java == sun's programming language, claimed to be slow.[18:54:13] <trochej> Coffee[18:54:27] <trochej> I knew I forgot something.[18:55:01] <e^ipi> shitty swing apps are slow[18:55:09] <[lewellyn]> trochej: i've been drinking croatian coffee. it's very strong, dripped.[18:55:12] <e^ipi> java's not bad in general though... startup takes a while[18:55:38] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: it's too bad you can't run the jvm as a kernel module ;)[18:55:40] <trochej> java is quick, once you got jvm and the rest up and running[18:55:42] <SatManUK> i never touch the stuff[18:55:46] <SatManUK> ahh tetley[18:55:48] * SatManUK is a tea man[18:55:56] <prav33n> I fixed the fonts issue by installing FSWxorg-fonts package[18:58:02] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[18:58:08] *** myrkraverk`` has quit IRC[18:58:25] *** MrHeavy has quit IRC[18:58:33] <CIA-33> Chris Kirby <chris.kirby at sun dot com>: 6604992 forced unmount + being in .zfs/snapshot/<snap1> = not happy, 6810367 assertion failed: dvp->v_flag & VROOT, file: ../../common/fs/gfs.c, line: 426[18:58:34] <CIA-33> George Wilson <George.Wilson at Sun dot COM>: 6821260 l2arc suffers from sign extension on 32-bit platforms[18:59:19] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[18:59:31] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[19:00:00] <trochej> I think *I* could be brewed to get croatian coffee. :)[19:00:12] *** MattMan has quit IRC[19:00:17] * ball chuckles[19:00:29] <[lewellyn]> i'm debating dripping a cup of this croatian stuff or drinking a venom[19:00:45] <[lewellyn]> the venom is sickeningly sweet, the coffee probably has like 3x the caffeine ;)[19:00:51] <ball> What does Croatian coffee taste like?[19:01:13] <[lewellyn]> ball: it's got a slightly bitter taste (not unpleasantly)[19:01:29] <[lewellyn]> i suspect that if you make it "properly", you lose that bitterness[19:01:37] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[19:01:50] <[lewellyn]> i suspect it comes from the layer of oil at the top of the cup[19:02:45] *** chrisr has joined #opensolaris[19:03:28] <e^ipi> i suspect that it comes from cheap vietnamese robusta[19:03:35] <ball> [lewellyn]: I'm not keen on French or Italian, prefer Colombian[19:03:54] <ball> ...so perhaps Croatian isn't for me.[19:04:16] *** jp_sf has quit IRC[19:04:42] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: afaict, franck doesn't use vietnamese. i was trying to figure out where they do source their beans, though[19:04:50] <ball> I love how fast this server is. Wish I had something like it at home.[19:05:09] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: toss some cardamom in the filter[19:05:50] <ball> Does VirtualBox need AMD-V or Intel VT?[19:05:59] <Stric> no[19:06:18] <ball> Perhaps I'll buy me a Celeron or a Sempron then.[19:06:18] <Stric> unless you're doing 64bit on 32bit or somesuch[19:06:33] <ball> Stric: what about 32-bit on 64-bit ?[19:06:42] <Stric> dunno. rtfm :)[19:06:48] <ball> fair point.[19:06:58] *** myrkraverk`` has joined #opensolaris[19:07:06] <Stric> But 32-on-32 doesn't need vt, but can use if you want to[19:07:24] <flyingparchment> you need VT to virtualise OS/2[19:07:39] <ball> flyingparchment: I don't run OS/2 ;-)[19:07:40] <flyingparchment> i don't think you can virtualise 64-bit on 32-bit even with it, can you?[19:07:54] *** nickb110 has joined #opensolaris[19:08:45] <flyingparchment> can someone tell me what CTRL-pgup and CTRL-pgdn send in xterm?[19:09:01] <nickb110> Qustion, i just installed Solaris Express build 110 on a Dell 1950 w/ hardware raid 1 via jumpstart and after i reboot I get a login prompt but before that I get (4) kstat_create namespace violation errors..if i reboot again they are gone...what does that mean? not familiar with that[19:09:15] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn] i'm connected now via serial 10101 and the only output i can see is netsc_ipgateway 143.237.15.11, whats that?[19:10:38] <[lewellyn]> ball: you don't want a celeron :P[19:10:49] *** ejat has joined #opensolaris[19:10:50] <[lewellyn]> the anemic L2 is extremely noticable :P[19:10:54] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[19:11:10] *** dewd has joined #opensolaris[19:11:18] <trochej> Yeah[19:11:19] <trochej> TRue[19:11:22] <[lewellyn]> flyingparchment: you can virtualize os/2 with vpc on windows. why can't you do it with vbox on solaris? o_O[19:11:24] <trochej> It could get some coffe[19:11:29] <[lewellyn]> (without VT)[19:11:30] <dewd> Hi what should be done to replace an disk in an raidz pool ?[19:11:32] <flyingparchment> [lewellyn]: you can, using VT[19:11:37] <flyingparchment> i don't know why it's required[19:11:42] <dewd> I've pulled the drive, put in an new one[19:11:48] <dewd> configured with cfgadm[19:11:57] <[lewellyn]> flyingparchment: that's one reason i boot windows :P[19:12:12] <dewd> then zpool replace pool c0t0d0 c0t0d0[19:12:21] <dewd> now all z* commands hang[19:12:26] <nickb110> any ideas? kstat_create.....namespace violation error...whats it mean on boot after jumpstart?[19:12:50] <dewd> is there anything I can do to diagnose the problem there is no error logged[19:12:52] <ball> [lewellyn]: it's probably four times what I have now :-)[19:12:56] <dewd> machine still online[19:13:37] <dewd> shouldn't that just work ?[19:13:43] <ball> [lewellyn]: It would be a huge step forward for me, but I could get a better chip for probably less than US$ 50 extra[19:13:51] <ball> Sadly I'm very, very broke.[19:14:03] <[lewellyn]> ball: i'm looking to replace my celeron desperately, for day-to-day use :P[19:14:20] <ball> [lewellyn]: Netburst or Core?[19:14:36] <[lewellyn]> the difference between a celeron and an equally-performant, more capable chip is very small when it comes to price[19:14:50] <[lewellyn]> ball: lemme grab the sSpec # again :)[19:14:56] <ball> brb, need H2O[19:15:42] <C_Kode> If your zfs pool takes up all of your disk space, you can still do snapshots correct? (as long the space isn't consumed with file data)[19:16:08] <C_Kode> ie not like lvm where you have to have vg space that isn't used by a actual filesystem[19:16:12] <postwait> correct[19:16:20] <C_Kode> Thanks[19:16:45] *** DesiJat has joined #opensolaris[19:17:24] * ball is cold[19:20:02] <ball> If I can build a machine with a modern processor and a few Gbytes of RAM, I'll get to try Solaris[19:20:11] <ball> ...and perhaps OpenSolaris[19:20:55] <cmihai> You could probably get a real SPARC with a few modern processors and a few more GB of RAM.. and a couple of SCSI disks for around $500[19:20:58] <[lewellyn]> um. apparently some celerons are incapable of addressing > 2gb ram. i do not understand why[19:20:59] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[19:21:15] <[lewellyn]> just a heads-up :)[19:21:32] <[lewellyn]> ball: my sSpec is SL9VA[19:21:36] <ball> [lewellyn]: That sounds bogus[19:21:45] <ball> (the 2 Gbyte RAM thing)[19:21:46] <[lewellyn]> decent chip for windows desktop use[19:22:03] <ball> [lewellyn]: I don't run Windows on my own machines.[19:22:05] <Stric> celeron isn't really a top chip ;)[19:22:06] <CosmicDJ> cmihai SMP sparc for 500$ ? I've seen v120's for 800EUR...[19:22:14] <[lewellyn]> ball: i keep claiming BS. but apparently that's why my bios limits me to 2gb. the cpu supports 2gb, the chipset 3gb.[19:22:35] <[lewellyn]> CosmicDJ: i get my v100s for < US$100...[19:22:45] <ball> Probably not true for today's Celerons[19:22:51] <ball> let me look up that sSpec though[19:22:54] *** cypromis has quit IRC[19:23:09] <cmihai> I doubt it, it's probably a mistake[19:23:13] <[lewellyn]> ball: the 530 is still decently widespread[19:23:20] <cmihai> Have you tried or just read stuff[19:24:13] <[lewellyn]> cmihai: in my case? the machine won't boot with more than 3gb installed. and > 2gb, < 3gb will POST, but the memory is inaccessible to the OS[19:24:31] *** dunc has quit IRC[19:24:41] <[lewellyn]> the response i got was "it is to work around a cpu bug with > 2gb"[19:26:53] <postwait> how do I get opensolaris to see my zeroconf printers?[19:27:31] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:27:44] <ball> Oh dear.[19:28:02] <crichardso> i got a question i just tried to ssh into one of my os boxes and redirct via ssh to another boxs port and i am getting channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed which i am sure it is cause i am logged in as a normal user what changes would i need to do to allow this?[19:28:10] <ball> One of my users is running around creating Windows logins and pointing them at the wrong directories on the server[19:28:13] <ball> :-([19:28:32] <[lewellyn]> ball: put goatse in that dir?[19:30:04] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[19:30:44] <ball> [lewellyn]: if this weren't a church, I might be tempted.[19:30:53] <nickb110> hmmm is something up with build 110 of solaris express? I'm getting a bunch of kernel errors in /var/adm/messages related to cpu_acpi: error parsing _CST for CPU 7[19:30:58] <nickb110> anyone experience this?[19:31:16] <nickb110> also error parsing _TSS for CPU 7, etc[19:31:22] *** e-jat has quit IRC[19:32:51] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:33:23] *** Guest75445 has quit IRC[19:33:51] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[19:34:10] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[19:34:23] *** ken is now known as kenH_[19:35:04] <Zaba> ball, windows logins?..[19:35:33] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:36:20] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[19:36:33] * ball nods[19:38:15] <codestr0m> I'm sure this has been asked a million times before.. is there any SS12 direct download link? or all requires you to sign-up, login and download?[19:39:05] <postwait> codestr0m, no[19:39:41] <codestr0m> is it in ips.. I know sunstudioexpress is in there, but not SS12 afaik (and per my search)[19:41:22] <trochej> codestr0m: Yup[19:41:31] <codestr0m> blar..[19:41:38] <nickb110> Who is is running b110 solaris express with more then 1 cpu?[19:41:51] <codestr0m> trochej: how are you.. and rumor is you may get a new lappy[19:41:52] <e^ipi> it's so that sun can point the spy sattelites at your house and steal your passwords in order to sell them to the CIA[19:42:13] <smtms> e^ipi, they are already providing your OS, why use spy sattelites?[19:42:56] <codestr0m> once again.. superfluous comments from the peanut gallery[19:43:07] <e^ipi> smtms: nobody said they were efficient[19:43:20] <trochej> codestr0m: Might be true.[19:43:35] <trochej> codestr0m: I'm drowning in new knowledge and old ideas. :)[19:43:44] <trochej> codestr0m: I got the answer from systemics[19:43:45] *** e345 has left #opensolaris[19:44:01] <codestr0m> trochej: yeah I heard how much they want to charge[19:44:08] <codestr0m> and about fell over laughing[19:44:26] <e^ipi> did you?[19:44:33] <e^ipi> did you literally fall over laughing?[19:44:41] <e^ipi> or was that just a superfluous comment[19:45:07] <trochej> codestr0m: One person is 6500 pln, which translates to roughly 1300 EUR[19:45:24] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you got me.. no matter how much I try to have a conversation without you involved.. you seem to somehow butt in[19:45:44] <jbk> e^ipi: you've said too much.. now you must be...reeducated[19:46:31] <e^ipi> jbk: is that what this scar is from? Some dudes in suits with Sun badges showed up to my house a couple months ago... funny thing is I don't remember much after they showed up[19:48:18] *** skullone has quit IRC[19:48:53] *** skullone has joined #opensolaris[19:51:04] *** ejat is now known as e-jat[19:55:50] <comay> nickb110, support for deep C-state went into build 110 and i suspect those ACPI warnings are related to that[19:55:57] <comay> may be our issue or it may be your BIOS[19:56:32] <nickb110> i haven't touched the bios...its a dell poweredge 1950 with (2) intel xeon quad core cpu's[19:56:54] <nickb110> comay: what does it mean exactly? system isn't using all cores?[19:56:55] <[lewellyn]> nickb110: a bug in your bios would not necessarily have appeared before 110[19:57:24] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[19:58:12] <nickb110> im tryin to figure out what it actually means, im reading its related to a power state of the cpu[19:58:14] <nickb110> am i wrong?[19:58:25] <CIA-33> Enrico Perla - Sun Microsystems <Enrico.Perla at Sun dot COM>: 6759337 lu lost new bootadm, 6821824 Safemode: reboot does not update archive automatically after modification in /a/kernel/[19:58:26] <CIA-33> WENTAO YANG <Wentao.Yang at Sun dot COM>: 6809618 bad mutex panic in vdds_cleanup_hybrid_res on low memory guest, 6796579 panic caused by ldm remove-vswitch, 6785269 bad mutex panic in vnet'vgen_ldc_rcv_worker routine on low-memory guest domain[19:58:58] <comay> nickb110, you likely can ignore the issue; does your system still boot?[19:59:09] <comay> feel free to file a bug under bugs.opensolaris.org though[19:59:37] <nickb110> Comay: the system boots...just curious if i should worry...going to be upgrading a few systems from b91 to b110[19:59:54] * [lewellyn] wishes he had more than 1 cpu :([20:00:07] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: socket or core?[20:00:08] <nickb110> Comay: Also I was getting some kstat_create softfs namespace violation errors.......if i reboot the errors do not reappear...what does that mean?[20:00:33] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: either/or. i'm getting pissy at this celeron[20:00:40] <[lewellyn]> i'd be happy with hyperthreading at this point[20:00:41] <e^ipi> oh, yeah... i would be as well[20:00:55] <[lewellyn]> it's a great single-threading cpu ;)[20:01:07] <e^ipi> what's a cheap core2 run these days, anyways?[20:01:17] <[lewellyn]> for which socket?[20:01:19] <e^ipi> with nehelem out the prices should be dropping like a stone[20:01:27] <[lewellyn]> and which bus speed?[20:01:48] *** biafra__ has joined #opensolaris[20:02:04] <oninoshik1> nickb110: I have 109 on a dual quad-core xeon[20:02:21] <e^ipi> beats me, my machine is a used athlon x2[20:02:32] <nachox> my brother bought a quadcode from dell for less than 400 us$, 2gb of ram or more, i dont remember[20:02:43] <e^ipi> i'm not even entirely sure what's in it beyond 'nvidia chipset of some description'[20:02:44] <ball> e^ipi: about US$ 60[20:02:46] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: well, without sufficient data, i can't answer ;)[20:02:48] <ball> brb[20:03:02] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: a core 2 can cost from $30 to $1500[20:03:08] <e^ipi> nifty[20:03:09] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[20:03:28] <[lewellyn]> the $30 one sucks ass, of course ;)[20:03:39] <[lewellyn]> well, cheapest i've seen is about $35, really[20:03:56] <ball> ...does it suck less ass than Celeron?[20:04:41] *** biafra_ has quit IRC[20:04:41] <e^ipi> this machine is an upgrade from my sempron64, which i put together for $80 ( already had a case and a harddrive to use in it , the rest was new )[20:05:20] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[20:05:21] <e^ipi> ultimately the only things i need processing power for are building ON, and i do that on the work machines anyways[20:05:29] <e^ipi> an atom board would be sufficient for my needs[20:05:29] <[lewellyn]> ball: no. no VT-x, which i thought all core 2 had[20:06:16] <ball> [lewellyn]: OEM chip?[20:06:30] <comay> nickb110, you can ignore the sockfs kstat issues; known issue, fixed in build 111[20:06:40] <psychicist> unfortunately not all core 2 have it and even then on some notebook BIOSes it's disabled[20:06:54] <PinkFreud> VT, iirc, requires bios support. if the board is cheap, then it might lack support, even if the cpu has it.[20:07:35] <[lewellyn]> ball: i don't have the sSpec handy, but i found it while looking for cpus the other day[20:07:46] * ball nods[20:07:48] <ball> brb[20:07:50] <[lewellyn]> PinkFreud: no, intel claimed no virtualization on the chip[20:07:53] <PinkFreud> we have a pair of older Dell Poweredge servers here. The Xeon cpu in them has VT, but the bios on these older systems lack VT support - thus, no VT. :([20:07:58] <PinkFreud> [lewellyn]: weird.[20:08:07] <[lewellyn]> not all CPUs do VT[20:08:22] <[lewellyn]> celeries don't, notably[20:08:32] <PinkFreud> [lewellyn]: that much I know - Atom most definitely does not. But, like you, I thought that all core2s had VT.[20:08:36] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[20:08:52] <[lewellyn]> PinkFreud: there's a LOT of processors out there ;)[20:09:01] <PinkFreud> indeed there is.[20:09:12] <[lewellyn]> lessee if i can find it again[20:09:35] <nickb110> Comay: ok good that i can ignore it, but what does it mean?[20:09:45] <PinkFreud> one of the nice things about OS having Xen support, though, is that I've managed to get OS to boot as a domU on non-VT hardware. :)[20:11:21] <comay> nickb110, the details are here: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6812512[20:11:46] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[20:13:27] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[20:13:48] *** gerard131 has quit IRC[20:15:31] <ball> ...wish I could upgrade to a 1.4 GHz Tualatin[20:15:56] <e^ipi> you need that kind of compute power?[20:16:20] <ball> e^ipi: It would help with system builds[20:16:29] <e^ipi> you build your system frequeuntly?[20:16:30] <ball> ...and things[20:16:33] <cmihai> ball: heh, I have a dual tualatin still in production[20:16:38] <ball> cmihai: lucky chap[20:16:46] *** nickb110 has quit IRC[20:16:49] <ball> I have to go[20:16:50] *** ball has quit IRC[20:16:53] <e^ipi> i'd rather have a hell of a lot more ram than a faster CPU... as it stands i clock my CPU down to save power and heat[20:17:05] <cmihai> No point giving OpenBSD a faster box :P[20:17:09] <[lewellyn]> the tualatin was a great chip[20:17:15] <e^ipi> cmihai: or a dual core box[20:17:23] <[lewellyn]> overclocked nice, and at stock speeds outperformed p4's of the era[20:17:25] <cmihai> Yeah[20:17:48] <e^ipi> obsd is a great OS, but quite slow and doesn't grok SMP[20:17:51] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: i want multithreading and ram. that's all i ask :D[20:17:52] <cmihai> Heh, with RAID-10 SCSI disks and 4GB or ECC RAM this thing outperforms most P4 desktops[20:18:11] <cmihai> Yeah, I love OpenBSD mostly because it's so simple.[20:18:21] <cmihai> I really can't do much to fuck it up or need to dig to deep to grok it.[20:18:36] <aramdune> I/O is so much important that CPU performance in most workloads.[20:18:37] <cmihai> You know what's what and it works. Or doesn't work.[20:18:45] <faxm0dem> d[20:19:48] <DesiJat> funny..server folks underclock their CPUs, desktop folks overclock their CPUs[20:19:58] <postwait> porting OpenBSD's pf system on top of crossbow would be a dream come true[20:20:47] *** chrisr has quit IRC[20:22:32] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[20:22:51] <[lewellyn]> postwait: and i try to buy the right-sized cpu to start with ;)[20:23:10] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: if only they made the right-sized CPU still[20:23:52] <e^ipi> or ever[20:24:07] <e^ipi> an atom with VT and enough ram sockets for 8GB i would buy in a heartbeat[20:24:20] <e^ipi> ( and a couple pcie sockets )[20:24:25] <DesiJat> e^pi: amen.[20:24:39] <e^ipi> for sas cards[20:24:45] <postwait> [lewellyn], huh?[20:24:56] <DesiJat> gimme a dual core Atom that can do 4GB of RAM[20:25:02] <DesiJat> and at least I can have a nice home server[20:25:05] <e^ipi> oh, that's easy[20:25:10] <e^ipi> they make atom boards with 2 sockets[20:25:13] <DesiJat> otherwise...it's Mac Mini time ... :([20:25:13] <e^ipi> ( ram sockets )[20:25:26] <DesiJat> e^ipi: but i think the chipset can only address 2GB[20:25:39] <DesiJat> and, the chipset running out by Intel takes up more power than the Atom CPU[20:25:43] <e^ipi> i need 4 ram sockets, 2 pcie full-size slots, and one pci-e x1[20:26:01] <DesiJat> Atom CPU itself is fine, but everything around it right now sucks[20:26:10] <DesiJat> power supplies, chipset, etc.[20:26:26] <psychicist> what about quad/octocore Atoms in the future, or is that not very likely?[20:27:02] <DesiJat> technically, it is[20:27:08] <DesiJat> but will Intel care to do it[20:27:46] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: remember, i still buy surplus v100's. (hint to anyone sitting on any in the sf bay area!) they're right sized for my needs[20:28:02] <[lewellyn]> sure, i wish i could drop a bit more ram in, and > 137GB HDDs.[20:28:21] <[lewellyn]> but they serve many tasks quite admirably still, while being easy on the power budget[20:28:44] <e^ipi> psychicist: what's the point?[20:28:53] <e^ipi> you don't buy an atom because you want compute power[20:28:57] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: for superprocessing netbooks![20:29:00] <e^ipi> you buy them because you want low-energy use[20:29:04] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: how much do u buy v100s for?[20:29:06] <[lewellyn]> atoms are terrible for high-performance though[20:29:10] <[lewellyn]> DesiJat: cheap ;)[20:29:15] <[lewellyn]> depends on lots of factors[20:29:18] <DesiJat> hrm...[20:29:26] <psychicist> it would be a problem for solaris at this point in time, but I'm building linux for arm and mips platforms that will go quadcore and beyond within 3 years, so why not get both high core count and low power at the same time[20:29:32] <spiff_> e^ipi: "compute power" vs. ability to do paralell processing[20:29:32] <DesiJat> the reason i ask...T1000 with 6 core and 2GB RAM, from Sun, $600 range[20:29:33] <[lewellyn]> i don't pay more than $50/box, ideally. unless it comes with full rails[20:29:40] <DesiJat> oh.[20:29:44] <DesiJat> niiiiiice :)[20:29:53] <DesiJat> i had a Netra X1 back in the day[20:29:55] <DesiJat> i loved that box[20:29:58] <DesiJat> it was so cute[20:30:02] <[lewellyn]> it's the big brother ;)[20:30:17] <[lewellyn]> my main workhorse is a 650MHz[20:30:40] <e^ipi> DesiJat: that's a fantastic price.[20:30:46] <[lewellyn]> with 12 power states + the chip already being low-power, it's great oomph for the money[20:30:50] <e^ipi> poke me if you still have it in may[20:30:58] <DesiJat> e^ipi: 8 core with 16GB, T1000 for $975. THAT is a fantastic price[20:31:06] <DesiJat> i dont have it[20:31:11] <DesiJat> Sun Startup Essentials[20:31:20] <[lewellyn]> hm. which cpu is the T1000 again?[20:31:26] <e^ipi> T1[20:31:37] <nachox> an ultrasparc T1[20:31:38] <DesiJat> heh :)[20:31:46] <DesiJat> it's like a V100[20:31:50] <DesiJat> on some serious crack[20:31:58] <nachox> for that price i thing it's a 6 core 1ghz[20:32:08] <[lewellyn]> ah the T1 is not nice on power consumption, though :P[20:32:14] <DesiJat> it is[20:32:17] <DesiJat> relatively speaking[20:32:19] <Stric> [lewellyn]: 70W or something[20:32:20] <DesiJat> for a server[20:32:20] <[lewellyn]> how many watts?[20:32:21] <Stric> for the cpu[20:32:30] <DesiJat> i think the cpu is less than 70W[20:32:38] <[lewellyn]> so more than my v100s, by a bit ;)[20:32:39] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[20:32:47] <psychicist> thinking of that, how hard would it be to get hold of a T2 rdk?[20:33:09] <Stric> "Typical processor power consumption of 72W" @ sun.com[20:33:38] <Stric> 79W peak[20:33:51] <Stric> T2 @ "< 95 watts nominal, 123 watts max "[20:34:11] <[lewellyn]> vs my v100s...[20:34:16] * [lewellyn] looks for that pdf again[20:34:28] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: any chance you'd part with a v100 ?[20:34:37] <DesiJat> yeah, but 8 cores...4 threads each....[20:34:37] <e^ipi> I have 0 sparc kicking about and this is a problem[20:34:56] <kjetilho> anyone here running Bacula on Solaris?[20:35:00] <DesiJat> i'm happy with my x4100 opteron[20:35:06] <postwait> kjetilho, we do[20:35:29] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: if i can score more, perhaps :)[20:35:34] <[lewellyn]> i'm scrounging for more atm[20:35:52] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[20:35:57] <kjetilho> postwait: btape test says I need to disable "Fast Forward Space File"[20:36:19] <kjetilho> postwait: so it's *ridiculuosly* slow to position the tape[20:36:26] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[20:36:35] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[20:36:35] <kjetilho> postwait: did you encounter that problem?[20:36:46] <DesiJat> i need some cheap Colocation space in the Bay Area/Silicon Valley area :([20:36:52] <[lewellyn]> Stric: where'd you find those numbers?[20:36:56] <DesiJat> have servers, but no place to host them[20:37:00] <postwait> kjetilho, did not see that problem.[20:37:02] <[lewellyn]> DesiJat: i can tell you cheap and i can tell you who i like[20:37:03] <psychicist> [lewellyn]: collecting old gear? one old E250 and an Ultra 10 are enough for me :)[20:37:08] <[lewellyn]> they don't coincide :P[20:37:23] <[lewellyn]> psychicist: the box i irc from is an ultra 5 ;)[20:37:29] <kjetilho> postwait: you're running this on "proper" Solaris?[20:37:30] <Stric> [lewellyn]: http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T1/specs.xml[20:37:32] <Stric> [lewellyn]: http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T2/specs.xml[20:37:35] <[lewellyn]> it's also my zfs fileserver and printserver and...[20:37:52] <postwait> kjetilho, eh? Solaris 10u6 on one machine... OpenSolaris on another.[20:38:15] <[lewellyn]> thankee[20:38:17] <[lewellyn]> 17.6 W (max) at 650 MHz, 1.7 V[20:38:30] <[lewellyn]> and it drops to 1/8 consumption[20:38:52] <psychicist> that's not bad, if you don't need the computing power of a modern machine[20:38:55] <FireflyST> has anyone here seen "undefined symbol forkpty" errors while building Solaris programs?[20:38:56] <kjetilho> postwait: ok, both with tape drives attached?[20:39:12] <[lewellyn]> my cpu sits at no more than 25% activity most of the time[20:39:14] <e^ipi> psychicist: i'm of the opinion that very few people need the computing power of a modern machine[20:39:14] <flyingparchment> FireflyST: forkpty() is a function. solaris doesn't provide it[20:39:23] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: i'm of that strong opinion, too[20:39:32] <FireflyST> is there a way to get around this?[20:39:46] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: pray tell[20:39:47] <[lewellyn]> sure a few things take a couple seconds. but that's no reason to burn through excess money[20:39:48] <flyingparchment> change the application to not use forkpty, or provide your own implementation[20:39:59] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: most people don't do those things though[20:40:03] <flyingparchment> [lewellyn]: in a compile/edit/compile cycle, 'a couple seconds' adds up quickly[20:40:04] <jbk> FireflyST: what are you trying to compile?[20:40:07] <psychicist> e^ipi: I'm of that opinion as well, hence my involvement with low power x86/arm/mips[20:40:15] <[lewellyn]> flyingparchment: that's not what most servers are used for[20:40:42] <e^ipi> 90% of the people out there are gated by other things than CPU... the most CPU intensive thing most people do is rip a CD, in which case the CD is the limiting factor[20:40:46] <flyingparchment> well, you were talking about ultra 5s, not just servers..[20:40:49] <postwait> kjetilho, we have one drive attached on one machine[20:40:50] <[lewellyn]> flyingparchment: v100[20:40:57] <postwait> kjetilho, checking that setting now[20:41:15] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: colo in bay are? Got Info?[20:41:17] <[lewellyn]> i specifically said my main workhorse is a 650MHz v100[20:41:26] <[lewellyn]> DesiJat: i like hurricane electric.[20:41:30] <[lewellyn]> great people with a clue[20:41:34] <DesiJat> do u buy directly with them?[20:41:47] <FireflyST> jbk: tintin++[20:41:50] <e^ipi> psychicist: speaking of low power mips/arm ; i really want one of those $150 mips netbooks[20:41:52] <DesiJat> i had colo with them before, it was excellent, very very fast, thru a 3rd party company[20:41:54] <Ayatolla> any1 here knows how to get a ok> prompt on a fire v240? i have no os, and are stuck in sc> (alom), and cant install from dvd before i get to ok>[20:41:56] <[lewellyn]> i don't have any machines in colo right now. instead, we just keep buying bigger pipe on-site :P[20:42:10] <flyingparchment> [lewellyn]: but the conversation isn't only about servers--e's example was CD ripping, which is hardly a server activity[20:42:16] <[lewellyn]> i have clients with boxes at HE (and other facilities)[20:42:27] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: the 3rd party is charing $119 to place a singel machine at HE[20:42:31] <DesiJat> 119/month[20:42:37] <DesiJat> actually, they say "4u"[20:42:41] * kjetilho wonders what's to blame... Bacula, the driver, or the tape drive.[20:42:44] <DesiJat> but then only give u enough power for a 1U[20:42:48] <[lewellyn]> for 4u, that's not outrageous[20:43:00] <[lewellyn]> haha. that's usually the case. drop 4 v100s in there and do distributed computing :D[20:43:07] <postwait> kjetilho, Bacula's got a long way to go yet.[20:43:11] <kjetilho> Ayatolla: I mix the *LOM up, but it's either "start /SP/console" or simply "console"[20:43:13] <[lewellyn]> "but i'm only using 350W!"[20:43:15] <postwait> but it works okay for most of what we do.[20:43:21] <DesiJat> the power they give is for a 1U[20:43:26] <kjetilho> postwait: yeah, and the code base is kind of crufty[20:44:09] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[20:44:20] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: 1Mbps pre-paid + 4U cabinet space + 240W = $119/month[20:44:25] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: my advice from the other day is still valid. type console, then hit enter a few times at each speed on both ports :)[20:44:42] <[lewellyn]> 240W isn't enough for an x86 1U these days :P[20:44:54] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[20:44:58] <jbk> FireflyST: i'd check to see if the code has any sort of conditional defines -- you have to open and chmod the pty yourself[20:45:14] <[lewellyn]> DesiJat: i'd say to work directly with HE: http://www.he.net/cgi-bin/colo_quote[20:45:31] <postwait> HE's a hole.[20:45:36] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[20:45:37] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: thats my point, the power reqs are stupid[20:46:01] <Ayatolla> kjetilho it's suppose to be console or console -f but not in my case, when i type that, i just get a text saying "Enter #. to return to ALOM menu"[20:46:02] <[lewellyn]> postwait: their facility is better than average for the sfba, and they have clueful people there[20:46:11] *** javatexan has quit IRC[20:46:37] <[lewellyn]> there's a certain facility inside sf where i'm amazed if it's less than 70 degrees when i get inside :P[20:46:43] *** e-jat has quit IRC[20:46:45] <postwait> kjetilho, on the one with tape... default setting for fast forward space file : "yes"[20:47:08] <kjetilho> postwait: have you tried to test it with btape?[20:47:08] *** kenH_ has quit IRC[20:47:18] <postwait> IT's attached to a qualstar robot.. two heads.[20:47:22] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn] i'm connected via serial 10101 also now, it was 9600 baud, but the only output i have there is a dot at the top-left of the screen[20:47:31] <postwait> kjetilho, not sure. but backups work and they are pretty fast.[20:47:33] <Ayatolla> i have a cursor blinking, but no prompt[20:47:35] <psychicist> e^ipi: I have 2 for development, one with 64 mb and one with 128 mb, pretty low-power but a little too slow for general use. the problem is that I built an o32 distribution for MIPS III (Loongson) 2 years ago, because I didn't expect that MIPS32 would ever break into the consumer market. after consulting the Linux MIPS lead developer (Ralf Baechle) at the end of last year I reached the conclusion that that was a mistake (or rather a[20:47:42] <postwait> kjetilho, I don't think I'm going to go test it now :-/[20:48:16] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: keep testing speeds :)[20:48:30] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:48:56] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: i think these guys expect me to run a Mac Mini as a server :/[20:49:18] <postwait> DesiJat, don't be like ma.gnol.ia[20:49:19] <kjetilho> postwait: mmm, I wonder if I should just risk it and check later. I've just migrated from Linux today, I guess I can live with a day or two of failed full backups[20:49:50] <kjetilho> it's completely useless to have to wait an *hour* for the tape to reach the right spot before a job, at least[20:50:00] <postwait> kjetilho, yes. yes it is.[20:50:13] <kjetilho> especially since the SD won't answer *any* questions while it's busy waiting for the tape to inch along(!)[20:50:25] <[lewellyn]> DesiJat: there's colos who encourage that these days :P[20:50:37] <[lewellyn]> power isn't cheap in decent sfbay facilities[20:51:12] *** sponix has quit IRC[20:51:12] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:51:16] <postwait> why put your boxes in sfbay? Why not ship them to Iowa or something where power is almost nothing.[20:51:23] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[20:51:25] *** mega has quit IRC[20:51:33] *** ipfw has quit IRC[20:51:38] <DesiJat> post: gimme a URL/company that offers service in Iowa/North Carolina[20:51:42] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[20:52:10] <[lewellyn]> postwait: being able to drive over to do hardware maintenance is a plus, especially for growing companies[20:52:19] <jbk> FireflyST: for reference, here's how telnet creates a pty: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/cmd-inet/usr.sbin/in.telnetd.c#2735[20:52:32] <[lewellyn]> there's also people who feel more secure with their machines closer[20:52:40] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:52:50] <[lewellyn]> and there's people who subscribe to the "buy local" philosophy (especially in sfbay)[20:53:03] <postwait> [lewellyn], I can afford smart hands with the difference in price.[20:53:17] <DesiJat> yeah, i'd like to be able to drive to the colo and fix my server, replace a HD, etc.[20:53:17] <postwait> [lewellyn], funny all your boxes were built in China.[20:53:35] <[lewellyn]> postwait: i didn't say me[20:53:47] <postwait> s/your/their/... whatever[20:54:03] <postwait> If I have to drive somewhere, I did something wrong.[20:54:17] <C_Kode> DesiJat: That what support contracts are for. Send someone out to change the drives for you![20:54:28] <[lewellyn]> postwait: like adding a machine, or swapping it out for a bigger one?[20:54:47] <postwait> We manage hundreds of machines around the country and spend maybe 30 hours/year touching things physically.[20:54:55] <[lewellyn]> or adding more disks to an array or...[20:55:02] <DesiJat> postwait: i'm 1 person[20:55:03] <DesiJat> with 1 server[20:55:07] <DesiJat> maybe 2 servers[20:55:08] <[lewellyn]> see, with hundreds of machines, that's another story[20:55:15] <DesiJat> so i'm not a huge company, no huge infrastructure[20:55:18] <[lewellyn]> with 8-10, having them close can be a benefit[20:55:22] *** clebig has joined #opensolaris[20:55:22] <DesiJat> i'm just trying to host a damn website and my Solaris Zones[20:55:28] <postwait> I mailed my boxes to Chicago...[20:55:36] <postwait> They got racked up and were available.[20:55:40] <postwait> (two boxes)[20:55:43] <DesiJat> postwait: to what company? what price?[20:55:45] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[20:55:55] <postwait> I think I've called in about 30 minutes of work in a year.[20:56:00] <postwait> ServerCentral[20:56:02] <[lewellyn]> and if you need to upgrade machines NOW due to sudden traffic surges (e.g. /.), what do you do?[20:56:15] <postwait> pick up the phone.[20:56:23] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[20:56:30] <[lewellyn]> and they'll put one of the spares you keep in the office server room online?[20:56:34] <postwait> drop ship a box... buy it from the colo... borrow it from the colo.... use the cloud.[20:56:37] <postwait> depends on the problem.[20:56:50] <[lewellyn]> preconfigured with a sync of the databases?[20:57:00] <postwait> [lewellyn], my job is to plan better than that.[20:57:09] <DesiJat> postwait: how much $$ to host a box?[20:57:16] <DesiJat> their website lists "$ for a full rack"[20:57:18] <DesiJat> dont need that[20:57:18] <[lewellyn]> quick. someone get postwait /.'ed ;)[20:57:20] *** biafra__ has quit IRC[20:57:21] <postwait> You'll have to check that yourself.[20:57:23] *** biafra_ has joined #opensolaris[20:57:57] *** tough has quit IRC[20:57:58] <postwait> [lewellyn], slashdot doesn't show up on the bandwidth graphs[20:58:12] <DesiJat> i just emailed the $119/1 server provider guy...to see how strict he is on the stupid power requirements[20:58:15] <postwait> NYTimes does... Digg does... MSN.com does.[20:58:38] <CIA-33> Rod Evans <Rod.Evans at Sun dot COM>: 6821646 xVM dom0 doesn't boot on daily.0324 and beyond, 6822828 librtld_db can return RD_ERR before RD_NOMAPS, which compromises dbx expectations.[20:58:39] <CIA-33> Konstantin Ananyev <Konstantin.Ananyev at Sun dot COM>: 6823174 Fast reboot must not map in userland addresses[20:59:14] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[20:59:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[20:59:17] <postwait> Digg has wicked interesting traffic spikes -- compared to more traditional news sites.[20:59:26] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: Ma.gnolia problems came from the Xserve/MySQL, not the Mac Mini, funny enough[20:59:42] <[lewellyn]> magnolia?[20:59:44] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: it looks like they just had hard drive corruption, FS corruption[20:59:51] <postwait> DesiJat, I think the XServe has less to do with it than the MySQL part. But yes.[21:00:24] <postwait> missing the ZFS... But honestly, we've had catastrophic data corruption with MySQL on ZFS.[21:00:24] <DesiJat> oh, sorry, that was for postwait[21:00:25] *** ken1 has quit IRC[21:00:30] <[lewellyn]> anyhow, how well are the newish via chips supported by opensolaris?[21:00:35] <DesiJat> i run MySQL and Xserves[21:00:42] <DesiJat> and...i know not to run Xserves :)[21:00:47] <postwait> DesiJat, me too.[21:00:51] <postwait> DesiJat, me too[21:01:20] <DesiJat> i'd say...i've run the largest Xserve datacenter in the world[21:01:39] *** ahe has joined #opensolaris[21:01:42] <postwait> DesiJat, we've transitioned almost all of our Xserves to backups (disk backups for Zetaback and Bacula)[21:01:59] <DesiJat> they're nice in that they have 3 HD slots[21:02:09] <DesiJat> altho..nowadays other servers have more[21:02:10] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[21:02:15] <postwait> Oh! I was talking XServe RAIDs.[21:02:19] <FireflyST> jbk: I think this is beyond my knowledge to fix properly[21:02:35] <DesiJat> yeah, i run Xserve RAIDs also[21:02:45] <DesiJat> again, largest installation in the world[21:02:47] <postwait> XServe RAIDs suck and most things.[21:02:54] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[21:02:58] <postwait> Their design just simply blows.[21:03:04] <DesiJat> if THAT is what ma.gnolia was running, GOD HELP THEM[21:03:19] <DesiJat> they'd have been better off running internal HDs on a intel/opteron Sun box :/[21:03:25] <postwait> I do'nt think so... they ran a lot of Mac minis[21:03:35] <DesiJat> postwait: the database didnt run on a Mac Mini[21:03:43] <DesiJat> at least that's what the magnolia guy is saying[21:03:48] <jbk> i'd look where the error is to see if there's similar code (opening /dev/ptmx, etc.) and see if it's just #ifdef'ed out[21:03:52] <C_Kode> We used to replicate a NetApp to an XServe RAID running OpenFiler :)[21:04:01] *** nitrile_ has quit IRC[21:04:01] <jbk> might just be a matter of passing the right incantation to get it to compile[21:04:09] <DesiJat> C_Kode: just make sure it's not your primary storage :/[21:04:13] <postwait> C_Kode, could you do that with snapmirror? or was it just a copy?[21:04:14] *** yarihm has quit IRC[21:04:14] <DesiJat> <-- is sooo gonna get fired :/[21:04:19] <C_Kode> it was a lot cheaper than replicating to a second netapp[21:04:54] <DesiJat> but eh, Apple doesnt make Xserve Raid anymore, so i can bad talk it ;)[21:04:54] *** arpunk has quit IRC[21:05:04] *** arpunk has joined #opensolaris[21:05:54] <C_Kode> postwait: I'm not sure, it wasn't my baby to manage/setup. 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I'm just waiting for him to respond about the weak 240W[21:16:43] <[lewellyn]> coloserv/servpath isn't a totally terrible facility, but i dislike them. you may want to take a look at them[21:17:35] <[lewellyn]> they're reasonably priced (i don't know about single machines, but they host them), reasonably fast, and the building security doesn't totally suck[21:18:09] <[lewellyn]> the building security is a bit subpar, but things inside are secure enough[21:18:30] <telpochyaotl> hi all... I have a question about EC2 and the rebundle.sh and if after it, as the manual seems to show (confused here) i still need to run ec2-bundle-image ?[21:18:40] *** muellisoft has joined #opensolaris[21:20:31] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[21:20:36] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[21:22:56] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[21:23:30] *** nachox has quit IRC[21:27:07] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[21:29:50] *** Chiron|_ has joined #opensolaris[21:29:53] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris[21:33:59] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[21:34:25] *** biafra_ has quit IRC[21:34:47] *** biafra__ has joined #opensolaris[21:35:36] *** cmihai has quit IRC[21:38:59] *** urbanmonk has joined #opensolaris[21:40:55] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[21:43:06] *** joshcarter has joined #opensolaris[21:44:56] <e^ipi> telpochyaotl: you should probably ask amazon that[21:45:26] <e^ipi> istr you only need to bundle the image if you want a template that you can build whatever they're called on[21:45:45] <e^ipi> like if you want an "opensolaris + mysql" image that you can deploy[21:46:03] *** infomomo1 has joined #opensolaris[21:46:53] <DesiJat> i just used the pre-made opensolaris images on EC2 :/[21:47:08] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[21:47:42] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[21:47:57] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[21:48:39] *** Chiron|_ has quit IRC[21:51:32] <e^ipi> *shrug*[21:55:54] <[lewellyn]> if they started giving out free cloud services to people in here, i bet you could get more help more readily ;)[21:56:00] *** clebig has quit IRC[21:56:43] <e^ipi> i wouldn't really have a use for one[21:57:01] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[21:57:08] <[lewellyn]> sure, ten cents an hour per person trying to help isn't much. but i "waste" enough money helping random people on irc as it is[21:57:14] *** tough has quit IRC[21:58:04] <DesiJat> its 3 cents an hour if u pay a yearly upfront fee :P[21:58:38] <CIA-33> Prakash Jalan <Prakash.Jalan at Sun dot COM>: 6658066 dladm show-aggr -s -i 1 outputs incorrect value, 6797838 counters in the output of dladm show-aggr -s -i <interval> increases monotonically, 6799340 typo in print_aggr_stats_callback() gives wrong stats, 6799349 stats by 'dladm show-aggr -s -i <intvl>' overshoot the columns when a new link is added to the aggr[21:58:38] <CIA-33> Guoli Shu<Kerry.Shu at Sun dot COM>: 6816405 cannot install osol 109 or snv_110 on Fujitsu Lifebook S7110 laptop due to hang.[21:58:40] <CIA-33> Praveen Kumar Dasaraju Rama <Praveen.Dasaraju at Sun dot COM>: 6600352 nv_sata should support SATA controllers of MCP51, 6807129 nv_sata: install scripts improperly use -p and a path with prtconf[21:58:41] <DesiJat> [lewellyn]: i'll give u 3 cents an hour. Make OpenSolaris (with ZFS!!!) work on my Celeron 900Mhz with 256MB of RAM!!!!![21:58:49] <[lewellyn]> hahaha :P[21:59:06] <DesiJat> "upgrade? I got a new mouse recently.."[21:59:09] <[lewellyn]> i have another project (not solaris-related, technically, at the moment) for that cpu/ram combination :P[21:59:13] <DesiJat> it has blinky lights[22:00:00] *** gaveen_ has quit IRC[22:00:08] *** throatwarbler1 has joined #opensolaris[22:00:43] *** infomomo has quit IRC[22:00:54] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:03:08] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[22:03:10] *** gottadoit11 has joined #opensolaris[22:03:19] *** infomomo1 has quit IRC[22:03:24] *** gottadoit11 is now known as gottadoit1[22:03:30] *** _closure has joined #opensolaris[22:05:13] <Ayatolla> any ideas any1, i have update alom to 1.6.9 and several other thingd aswell (diffirent bauds on serial 10101), have connection via net mgt and serial mgt but still no and ok prompt[22:05:55] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris[22:05:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman[22:06:14] <Ayatolla> when entered console in sc, >> "Enter #. to get back to ALOM menu"[22:07:35] *** throatwarbler1 has left #opensolaris[22:09:04] <Ayatolla> is there any other way to boot from disk/dvd or do i have to get in to openboot for that[22:09:16] *** wms has quit IRC[22:10:21] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: it depends on the nvram settings[22:10:27] <[lewellyn]> can you poke at nvram from the alom?[22:10:51] <Ayatolla> hold on, i get u potput[22:10:55] <Ayatolla> output[22:11:13] <[lewellyn]> i don't need output. just a yes or no ;)[22:12:41] <Ayatolla> dont know, not so familiar with alom, but if i type help, the only command i can find which seems to be related to nvram is "bootmode reset_nvram"[22:12:55] <[lewellyn]> that may help?[22:12:56] <Ayatolla> have tried that[22:13:12] <[lewellyn]> resetting nvram should swap you back to ttya,9600,8n1[22:13:33] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[22:15:03] *** myosound has quit IRC[22:15:55] <Ayatolla> ok, i'm powering of now, changing the key switch from diag to normal now, powering it on, and doing another bootmode reset_nvram bootscript="setenv diag-switch? true"[22:17:54] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris[22:19:04] <abisen> is there an API that can be used to manage / monitor ZFS/ZPool[22:19:27] <postwait> C API?[22:19:28] <abisen> Nextenta has SA-API but i was looking for something similar for vanilla opensolaris[22:19:45] <postwait> libzfs... but it is evolving[22:19:54] <abisen> postwait: Python/Perl would be preffered ... C would work too but will be a lot of effort for simple scripting[22:19:55] <dewd> Hi can someone give me libstdc++.so.6 from their box ?[22:19:59] *** Plazma has quit IRC[22:20:00] <flyingparchment> i thought libzfs was private[22:20:21] <postwait> libzfs is private.... we use it though... if you have a job to do... you get it done.[22:20:39] <abisen> i am using standard commands... zpool/zfs with lot's of text processing... which is always error prone[22:20:50] <[lewellyn]> dewd: 2339 lewellyn@looking-glass$ locate libstdc++.so.6 | wc -l[22:20:51] <[lewellyn]> 24[22:20:57] <[lewellyn]> which one? ;)[22:21:04] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris[22:21:12] <dewd> uhh 64bit amd64[22:21:21] <[lewellyn]> this is a sparc box[22:21:25] <abisen> nextenta has a good comprehansive API SA-API but i don't want to go that route... if i can avoid it[22:21:28] <[lewellyn]> all those are sparc64[22:21:33] <[lewellyn]> you don't have a compiler installed?[22:21:45] <dewd> hmm no[22:21:56] <[lewellyn]> install a compiler ;)[22:22:02] <[lewellyn]> it's not like they cost money :P[22:22:06] <dewd> yeah I will thanks :-)[22:22:16] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[22:22:22] <dewd> it's for nexenta[22:22:28] <tough> hi[22:22:35] <[lewellyn]> nexenta should have a package for gcc, but ask the #nexenta folks[22:22:36] <tough> how to find out empty directory[22:22:48] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[22:22:48] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[22:22:52] <dewd> it only has an 32 bit version :-S[22:22:59] <dewd> 64bit is not supplied[22:23:04] <dewd> hence the question[22:23:07] <[lewellyn]> dewd: complain to them :)[22:23:21] <dewd> just getting the file for now ty[22:23:26] <[lewellyn]> few of us know much about non-sun-provided distros, for better or for worse[22:23:26] *** muellisoft has quit IRC[22:23:37] <[lewellyn]> i'm willing to bet you'll need more than that one file[22:24:07] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[22:24:40] <Ayatolla> no, still the same shit[22:24:51] <Ayatolla> no luck with reset_nvram[22:25:02] <dewd> [lewellyn]: appears I only need that one from ldding the bin[22:26:10] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[22:27:04] *** e^ipi has quit IRC[22:29:07] *** mrb1 has left #opensolaris[22:29:56] <[lewellyn]> dewd: good luck :)[22:30:13] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: :([22:31:07] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris[22:31:22] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[22:31:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[22:31:35] *** infomomo1 has joined #opensolaris[22:32:15] *** ken1 is now known as zZz[22:32:41] *** zZz is now known as ken-zZz[22:34:00] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[22:34:09] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[22:34:42] <CosmicDJ> hm... should a sun fire t2000 report "UltraSPARC-T1 (cpuid 0 clock 1000 MHz)" (via psrinfo) ?[22:35:00] <CosmicDJ> never mind[22:35:09] <CosmicDJ> http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t2000/specs.xml[22:35:22] *** infomomo2 has joined #opensolaris[22:35:24] *** mphill has joined #opensolaris[22:35:47] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[22:36:03] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[22:36:27] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[22:37:11] *** luc^ has quit IRC[22:37:16] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[22:37:25] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[22:40:33] <monsted> CosmicDJ: yeah, sounds about right[22:40:42] <monsted> good luck getting it to perform ;)[22:41:25] <tough> how to find empty directoy using find command[22:41:39] *** muellisoft has joined #opensolaris[22:42:06] <monsted> rmdir <directory>, if it's empty, it disappears ;)[22:42:16] <CosmicDJ> monsted: it's not mine; just found a mail mentioning it and thought t2000, hm isn't that a t2 proc.?![22:42:35] <C_Kode> tough: want to delete them? find -depth -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \;[22:43:13] <monsted> CosmicDJ: nope, T1000 and T2000 is both T1[22:43:16] <CosmicDJ> ah one of these "shoot yourself on the foot" tips ;)[22:43:17] <tough> there is no -empty option in solaris 5.9[22:43:29] <C_Kode> tough: switch to Linux :P[22:43:49] <[lewellyn]> this channel is for what will be solaris 11. not 5.9 ;)[22:43:51] <C_Kode> Or try to install Linux's version[22:45:29] <flyingparchment> int pthread_rwlock_destroy(pthread_rwlock_t **rwlock);[22:45:35] <flyingparchment> why pthread_rwlock_t** and not *?[22:46:03] <flyingparchment> (linux specifies *... i wonder if it's just an error in the manual page[22:46:20] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[22:46:21] *** ken-zZz has quit IRC[22:46:32] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone tried using Grails for web app development?[22:46:53] <CosmicDJ> flyingparchment: what's does pthread.h say?[22:47:09] <flyingparchment> *[22:47:20] <CosmicDJ> doc-bug :)[22:47:24] <postwait> man page error... you filing a bug on that?[22:47:43] <flyingparchment> no, since you can't file bugs in S10. and i'm not sure it's worth a support call ;)[22:47:57] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[22:48:12] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[22:48:18] <postwait> It's a but on nv110[22:48:22] <postwait> bug in nv110[22:48:47] <postwait> or so confirms my busted man page.[22:49:25] *** infomomo2 has quit IRC[22:50:19] *** infomomo has quit IRC[22:50:21] *** C_Kode has left #opensolaris[22:50:26] *** infomomo1 has quit IRC[22:51:16] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ hi man, i got the password today =)[22:51:24] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: congrats[22:51:42] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: and it's running a fresh copy of *solaris now?[22:51:59] <Ayatolla> i whish... now, 5-6 hours later i still dont have ok prompt[22:52:11] <CosmicDJ> hm?[22:52:20] <Ayatolla> i get in to system console sc>, but stuck there[22:52:35] <CosmicDJ> you can't run any commands from it?[22:52:51] <tsoome> try #.[22:53:00] <Ayatolla> yes, but console, or console -f just gets me to "enter #. to get back to alom",[22:53:21] <flyingparchment> did you turn the system on?[22:53:23] <[lewellyn]> tough: modern solaris has gnu find available. i can't help with 5.9 since i don't have any machines that ancient lying around still[22:53:42] <CosmicDJ> yeah, try sc> poweron or smth[22:53:50] <Ayatolla> yes, everything is on but there is no os in the disks[22:53:50] <tsoome> like it matters for rmdir if you have -empty or not[22:54:22] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[22:54:26] <[lewellyn]> tsoome: there's ways to replicate it. i have to fix mine as it has edge conditions where it can fail :P[22:54:46] <[lewellyn]> wait[22:54:49] <[lewellyn]> he's trying to rmdir?[22:55:00] <[lewellyn]> what's wrong with rmdir -r? ;)[22:55:04] <tsoome> :D[22:55:13] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[22:55:22] <tsoome> besides man xargs. find | xargs[22:55:43] <tsoome> ofc -empty can save you from tons of error messages[22:55:48] <[lewellyn]> i thought the question was using find -empty[22:55:50] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[22:55:58] <[lewellyn]> which can be replicated without find, at all ;)[22:56:15] *** throatwarbler has quit IRC[22:56:26] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[22:59:00] <Stric> Ayatolla: with 'console -f' you should get to openboot.. hit enter or something.. try sc> poweroff wait for it to turn off, then sc> poweron and sc> console -f[22:59:16] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:00:15] <tsoome> if you are anything like curious, just enter help command at sc> prompt:P[23:01:34] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[23:01:37] <sstallion_work> Stric: I wouldnt confuse openboot and LOM commands like that[23:01:46] <sstallion_work> poweroff/poweron are LOM[23:02:47] *** moved has joined #opensolaris[23:02:52] <CosmicDJ> nope, I had a 280r, connected via telnet to the sc back then and used poweron[23:03:28] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[23:03:39] <sstallion_work> CosmicDJ: ... you were likely connected to the LOMlite - I know because I have a 280r with one sitting right next to me[23:03:45] <Stric> sstallion_work: .. yes? just like I said[23:04:19] <CosmicDJ> hm, lomlite that displayed sc>... ok[23:04:19] <sstallion_work> Stric: I was simply asserting that obp != LOM ;)[23:04:26] <flyingparchment> hmm, 'poweroff' is also a solaris command, but i wonder why they didn't add 'poweron'[23:04:28] <Stric> sstallion_work: I never said they were[23:04:43] <sstallion_work> flyingparchment: thats a joke right ?[23:04:47] <flyingparchment> sstallion_work: yes.[23:04:51] <CosmicDJ> I hope it is ;)[23:04:55] <Stric> flyingparchment: ha. ha. you made a funny.[23:04:56] <sstallion_work> flyingparchment: sorry, its been one of those days :)[23:06:21] <sstallion_work> (power-off is the OBP command; there is no corresponding poweron)[23:06:33] <sstallion_work> poweroff/poweron are LOM commands (i.e. LOMlite and friends)[23:07:14] <Stric> not to confuse with ILOM though, which is whacked out[23:07:23] <sstallion_work> I havent had a chance to play with that yet[23:07:34] <sstallion_work> (or ALOM for that matter)[23:07:55] <[lewellyn]> so, how does one find out which man pages are new in the newest consolidation? :P[23:08:13] <CosmicDJ> diff -r ;)[23:08:15] <Stric> ILOM is waay different.. 'start /SYS/blah'[23:08:22] <sstallion_work> blech[23:08:24] <flyingparchment> Stric: ilom is awful, but i hear some of them have an ALOM-compatibility mode[23:08:28] <flyingparchment> Stric: sadly, mine don't :([23:08:32] <[lewellyn]> CosmicDJ: i'm on my phone, since that's where the email went :P[23:08:36] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[23:08:39] <flyingparchment> (might be just the blades)[23:08:42] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[23:08:47] <[lewellyn]> 12 new files out of just shy of 6000[23:08:47] <Stric> yeah, T5120's have ALOM-compat-mode.. everything but consolehistory is working fine.. consolehistory is just crap slow[23:08:59] <Stric> "show me the last 10 lines" .. takes 15 secs or so[23:09:08] <sstallion_work> ouch[23:09:09] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[23:09:11] <sstallion_work> may as well dmesg for that[23:09:21] <Stric> quite not the same thing[23:09:28] <sstallion_work> its not, but its close enough[23:09:32] <Stric> umm.[23:09:42] <Stric> no?[23:09:42] <sstallion_work> unless you are looking for input[23:09:54] <Stric> Or output from POST etc[23:10:06] <Stric> or anything sent to console[23:10:09] <sstallion_work> sure, but do you not buffer output from your console server ?[23:10:32] <Stric> The ALOMs work just fine[23:10:40] <Stric> and they are their own console servers[23:11:12] <sstallion_work> like I said, I havent used ALOMs yet, I mostly dink with the older generation which still require console servers.[23:11:27] <sstallion_work> sparcv9 builds arent that common anymore sadly.[23:11:44] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: my v100's lom messages don't show up in dmesg... it's a separate thing[23:11:54] <Stric> And ALOMs have a pretty much a built in console server with logs etc..[23:11:55] <jbk> they also tend to have a console history buffer[23:11:58] <[lewellyn]> i can use /usr/sbin/lom to read the messages, though[23:12:03] <CosmicDJ> wow, 280r's for 130 EUR @ ebay[23:12:08] <jbk> which is nice[23:12:24] <jbk> if you're in an environment that decides all network equipment MUST be cisco[23:12:36] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[23:12:54] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: also, i don't necessarily *want* average user seeing what is in the lom console history...[23:13:01] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: thats not what I was suggesting. /usr/sbin/lom can give you what you need WRT LOM messages[23:13:25] <[lewellyn]> jbk: all-cisco is great for the rj45 serial servers :)[23:13:28] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn], CosmicDJ, any1 of u willing to give this a try, i can hook you with account[23:13:42] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:13:55] <jbk> until you want to see what's scrolled back on the console :)[23:13:57] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: sstallion_work seems to be most qualified for this :)[23:14:18] <[lewellyn]> jbk: i meant for logging in ;)[23:14:37] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: i don't know of any way to get lom *anything* from dmesg. and i like it that way[23:15:16] *** ken1 has quit IRC[23:16:27] <Ayatolla> sstallion_work what u know about alom 1.6.9 and sun fire v240? i think u can help with this issue? wont get to the openboot, are stuck at system console, there is no os installed so i online have serial and net mgt connections[23:16:33] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: *sigh* I never suggested you could. dmesg is useful if you need console output without the benefit of LOM[23:16:53] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[23:17:12] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: but the complaint was regarding alom-compatibility's consolehistory and you suggested dmesg...[23:17:15] <sstallion_work> Ayatolla: I'm not an ALOM user. I would suggest setting your boot mode to drop into the prom and either netboot or install from media[23:17:25] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[23:17:27] <ikarius> hurrm. this is moderately counter-intuitive.[23:18:01] <ikarius> you get better comstar performance if you back the LUNs with files on a ZFS filesystem than if you back them with straight-up ZFS volumes[23:18:01] <Ayatolla> i have media, the problem is to drop in to prom[23:18:01] *** urbanmonk has quit IRC[23:18:03] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: assuming what you need from chist is provided from dmesg. I did not presume to know what it is someone is looking for.[23:18:20] <[lewellyn]> nothing from consolehistory should be in dmesg, though.[23:18:40] <ikarius> at least, vastly better write performance.... 300 mb/sec vs 50 mb/sec on straight write IO[23:18:41] <[lewellyn]> it could be potentially used by malicious users for bad things :P[23:19:56] <Ayatolla> is there a way to set bootmode to boot from media from sc, and then poweron?[23:21:39] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: tried sc> help ?[23:21:47] <CosmicDJ> nothing intersting there?[23:21:57] *** proberts has quit IRC[23:21:58] <seanmcg> Ayatolla, " bootmode bootscript='net - install' ", see the docs on the machine/lom for details.[23:22:11] <psychicist> 3[23:22:22] <psychicist> oops[23:23:13] *** aramdune has quit IRC[23:23:41] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[23:23:58] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ have tried all the intresting commands from help menu[23:24:36] <Ayatolla> seanmcg don't have a install server, have os on dvd[23:25:44] *** RULER_ is now known as Catsceo[23:26:07] <seanmcg> Ayatolla, well read the docs. it'll be bootscript='boot cdrom' or something similar..[23:26:10] *** bubbva has quit IRC[23:26:17] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[23:26:36] <seanmcg> /me never booted a sun4v box off a dvd, always net or disk.[23:27:08] <flyingparchment> i think his system is a bit older than sun4v ;)[23:28:46] <seanmcg> s/sun4v/sun4u rarely/[23:30:06] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[23:30:59] <sstallion_work> [lewellyn]: eh? you might want to double check what cmn_err actually does.[23:31:54] <[lewellyn]> sstallion_work: hm? i've never seen my console history in my dmesg...[23:32:49] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[23:33:02] *** derchris has quit IRC[23:33:08] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[23:33:16] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[23:34:11] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris[23:34:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi[23:35:18] *** moved has quit IRC[23:35:46] *** muellisoft is now known as Muelli[23:38:53] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[23:41:46] <abisen> is it possible to disable write cachin on ZFS ?[23:42:03] <abisen> so that it does not use any RAM / Cache for writes ?[23:42:27] *** hotaru2k3 has joined #OpenSolaris[23:42:42] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[23:43:32] <ikarius> not sure why, but write throughput on a ZFS volume gives me about 50 megabytes/sec, and write throughput with files on full ZFS filesystem is 300 mb/sec[23:44:05] *** dduvall has quit IRC[23:44:14] *** LeftyBSD has quit IRC[23:45:08] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[23:46:12] <abisen> ikarius: just wanted to double check is compression turned on on that specific volume ?[23:47:59] <ikarius> abisen: nope[23:48:17] <ikarius> same zpool in both cases[23:48:40] <ikarius> backed by 16 drives, raidz2[23:48:49] <abisen> ikarius: it happened with me once that's why i was asking... I don't know what might be wrong...[23:49:19] <Ayatolla> sc> console -f[23:49:19] <Ayatolla> Warning: User <auto> currently has write permission to this console and forcibly removing them will terminate any current write actions and all work will be lost. Would you like to continue? [y/n]y[23:49:19] <Ayatolla> Enter #. to return to ALOM.[23:49:21] <Ayatolla> wtf!![23:49:31] *** ken2 has joined #opensolaris[23:50:16] <jmcp> Ayatolla: I assume from that wtf that you haven't bothered to read the doco on ALOM yet[23:51:24] <hardbasta> u guys are amazing[23:51:26] *** hardbasta has left #opensolaris[23:51:30] <tsoome> why should anyone read docs?[23:51:35] <Ayatolla> jmcp i have read the docs 4-5 times now, going from top to bottom, setting all the settings one by on, each variable and each fucking parameter, so dont tell me that i havent read anhthing[23:51:57] *** Leal has quit IRC[23:51:59] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[23:52:14] <Ayatolla> u want a copy of the alom doc?[23:52:17] <jmcp> Ayatolla: there's no need to take that tone[23:52:27] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[23:52:59] <Ayatolla> sorry man, but the reason for that wtf i just because i have read all the documents and still cant figure out the issue[23:53:25] <tsoome> whats the issue?[23:53:47] *** estibi_ has quit IRC[23:53:59] <Ayatolla> what ever i try, i won't drop down the prom, (ok>)[23:54:05] *** \amethyst has joined #opensolaris[23:54:33] <jmcp> have you tried sending a break?[23:54:34] <tsoome> because os is configured to ignire break i suppose[23:54:37] <jmcp> eg, sc> break[23:54:40] <tsoome> ignore*[23:54:58] <Ayatolla> jmcp every kind of a break signal that might exists[23:55:08] <Ayatolla> both with command and keyboard[23:55:39] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:55:48] <tsoome> from SC the only way to send break is with sc break command[23:56:09] <Ayatolla> sc> break -y[23:56:09] <Ayatolla> sc[23:56:09] <Ayatolla> SC Alert: SC Request to send Break to host.[23:56:09] <Ayatolla> >[23:56:09] <Ayatolla> sc>[23:56:17] <tsoome> but if breaks are ignored by os, it wont work...[23:56:28] <Ayatolla> there is no os installed[23:56:34] <Ayatolla> 4 blank disks[23:56:41] <Ayatolla> thats why i need to get in to ok>[23:57:28] <tsoome> if there is no os, it should sit on ok prompt as there is nothing to boot....[23:57:47] *** tbrx_ has joined #opensolaris[23:58:13] <tsoome> to be sure, remove ethernet cable and disks[23:58:40] <CIA-33> Mark Logan <Mark.Logan at Sun dot COM>: 6823441 SUNWamt-lms is a usr package with a mix of root and usr bits[23:58:41] <CIA-33> Jonathan Cowper-Andrewes <Jonathan.Ca at Sun dot COM>: 6799615 return from stat() should be checked when looking for zero byte files[23:58:43] *** ken1 has quit IRC[23:59:28] *** asarch has quit IRC