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[00:04:45] <ikarius> ok... so using mdb to set the value does not work, but using ramdisk:rd_percent_physmem works
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[00:05:33] <ikarius> unfortunately, 95 does not appear to work. now using binary search+reboots to determine maximum value for rd_percent_physmem
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[00:12:22] <CosmicDJ> ikarius: use the source, luke  http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/io/ramdisk.c
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[00:21:04] <piwi> hi comay, do you know what's up with the torrents for 110?
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[00:27:26] <ikarius> hrmm
[00:28:21] <ikarius> that's interesting. it looks like it only checks to see if the parameter is >= 100.
[00:28:43] <ikarius> perhaps I screwed up when I tried setting it to 95.... going to retry that test
[00:31:11] <prav33n> I have upgraded to snv_110 from snv_109 on my OpenSolaris 2009.NEXT
[00:31:34] <prav33n> I am trying to rename the BE and I am getting a message that I can't rename an active BE
[00:31:38] <prav33n> http://pastebin.com/m526c48a
[00:31:55] <prav33n> However, I have tried making a different BE as active before renaming the new one
[00:32:04] <prav33n> Can someone help me out here?
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[00:33:49] <rv-> prav33n> I ran into the same problem, I think it's a known bug..
[00:34:32] <prav33n> I have done this successfully tons of times before
[00:34:39] <rv-> same here
[00:34:48] <prav33n> rv-, Thanks
[00:35:00] <rv-> yw
[00:35:20] <prav33n> Looks like they have introduced a regression to beadm
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[00:36:09] <rv-> I had seen a bug report on it.. can't remember the #
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[00:42:59] <the_unmaker> so what up you ZFS homies
[00:43:11] <the_unmaker> anyone use a thumper?
[00:43:14] <the_unmaker> or a thor?
[00:43:20] <the_unmaker> ZFS on 35T
[00:43:23] <the_unmaker> n stuff
[00:43:40] <the_unmaker> like if i have 48T and ZFS is running how much usible space?
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[00:43:46] <the_unmaker> 45t?
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[00:45:31] <trichobezoar> depends how you configure it
[00:45:37] <prav33n> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7757
[00:45:46] <prav33n> There was no bug associated, I have created one...
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[00:47:34] <nrubsig> alanc: can you take a loop at the traige queue, please ?
[00:47:49] <e^ipi> and you filed it on the bug tracking system that nobody uses, prav33n
[00:48:20] <e^ipi> oh, n/m
[00:48:21] <prav33n> What?
[00:48:24] <e^ipi> beadm
[00:48:40] <prav33n> I thought d.o.o was used actively...
[00:48:42] <e^ipi> if it were a LU bug or an ON bug, bugs.os.o is the right place
[00:48:45] <prav33n> Did that story change?
[00:48:46] * nrubsig shoots e^ipi  and the cookes his corpose, feeds it to a skomodo dragon ...
[00:48:47] <e^ipi> prav33n: not by ON
[00:49:02] <e^ipi> it /should be/ checked. it is not.
[00:49:45] <prav33n> Hopefully the d.o.o people would take care of reporting the bug upstream...
[00:50:11] <prav33n> I am quite puzzled how the reporting of bugs work for the OpenSolaris binary distribution
[00:50:19] <e^ipi> you and everyone else
[00:50:33] <ranks> Do the opensolaris developpers look into fixing bugs reported to Sun about regular solaris ?
[00:50:42] <prav33n> Having said that, the worst part is that I am a Sun employee myself
[00:50:48] <prav33n> What a mess!
[00:51:14] <e^ipi> ranks: most of the opensolaris devs are sun employees
[00:51:16] <e^ipi> so... yes
[00:52:03] <piwi> rich burridge made some "upstream" bug reports from d.o.o to bugs, my bug got fixed after that
[00:52:05] <prav33n> bugs.opensolaris.org is one of the lousiest bug tracking interface
[00:53:03] <xRaich[o]2x> pretty much every bug i filed on d.o.o got feedback and geot fixed
[00:53:10] <prav33n> On top of that, a lot of OpenSolaris bugs are tracked through bugster, a Sun internal bug tracking system
[00:53:10] <ranks> Just curious, as I have recently opened a bug about lucreate/luupgrade not honoring zfs mount options when a zone root is in a different zfs pool than the os.
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[00:53:36] <e^ipi> piwi: yeah, he went through the whole of doo
[00:53:48] <ranks> What is d.o.o ?
[00:53:49] <e^ipi> prav33n: if you're a sun employee, just use bugster
[00:53:57] <e^ipi> ranks: defect.os.o
[00:54:08] <e^ipi> ranks: the bug tracking system that's used by a couple projects
[00:54:13] <e^ipi> and ignored by the rest
[00:54:18] <e^ipi> confusing everyone
[00:54:46] <e^ipi> prav33n: bugs.os.o is a web frontend to bugster
[00:54:47] <prav33n> e^ipi, Well, I don't wanna discuss the bugster story on IRC...
[00:55:04] <e^ipi> fair enough
[00:55:17] <prav33n> e^ipi, Are you a Sun employee too?
[00:55:20] <e^ipi> yeah
[00:55:27] <xRaich[o]2x> most bugs on d.o.o get forwarded to bugs.os.o anyway
[00:55:32] <xRaich[o]2x> at least mine
[00:56:12] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: you probably filed yours before richb's "this is ridiculous" bug harvesting month
[00:56:34] <e^ipi> it's an error of induction to assume that that will always be the case
[00:56:34] <xRaich[o]2x> when was that?
[00:56:44] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: i think he just finished a week ago
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[00:57:17] <xRaich[o]2x> whatev
[00:57:27] <prav33n> e^ipi, Thanks for those inputs
[00:57:31] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't care as long as my bugs get fixed
[00:57:42] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: if you file them on doo, they probably won't
[00:58:05] <xRaich[o]2x> can't complain
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[01:03:25] <alanc> nrubsig: I see nothing new from you there
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[01:15:10] <the_unmaker> induction baby!
[01:15:13] <the_unmaker> ok
[01:15:23] <the_unmaker> opensolaris postgresql cherokee php
[01:15:51] <the_unmaker> opensoaris cherokee posgresql php
[01:15:55] <the_unmaker> OCPP
[01:16:03] <the_unmaker> COPP
[01:16:23] <e^ipi> OWS7OJ
[01:16:29] <e^ipi> opensolaris, ws7, oracle, java
[01:16:42] <e^ipi> acronyms have become meaningless in the face of choice
[01:16:50] <jbk> heh
[01:16:55] <jbk> do zones work with IPS yet?
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[01:20:43] <benr> no
[01:21:07] <jbk> oh well
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[01:22:41] <benr> you can, of course, use a private repo local (non-ZFS)... but thats not as much fun.
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[01:43:45] <the_unmaker> so everyone should drop linux and bsd and switch to opensolaris today?
[01:45:26] <xRaich[o]2x> i smell troll...
[01:45:28] <macros73> Got a beginner ZFS question for you.  As I understand it, you can't expand a RAID-Z vdev by just adding a disk to it.  You'd have to create a second RAID-Z vdev and add it to the zpool.  So if I setup a home storage server initially with three disks in a RAID-Z vdev and want to expand storage, the simplest way is to add another 3-disk RAID-Z vdev and add it to the zpool?
[01:46:28] <macros73> Assuming I want to let ZFS manage RAID and not use a hardware RAID card
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[01:48:27] <DerSaidin> correct that you can't just add a disk to it
[01:48:48] <DerSaidin> iirc some guys came up with an algorithm to allow you to do that, but it hasn't been written yet
[01:48:56] <jamesd> the_unmaker, no you should use what ever OS that makes you the most productive, its a tool, you use the ones that make you work better.
[01:49:01] <e^ipi> the first little bits of it are there
[01:49:09] <e^ipi> now you can run a snapshot while scrub is running
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[01:50:46] <the_unmaker> ok im guna stay with archlinux then
[01:51:12] <macros73> So how do you experienced guys typically handle that case?  Do you backup, expand the original array, and recreate it?
[01:51:52] <DerSaidin> You avoid doing it :p Backup and expand would prolly be the next best thing
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[01:52:01] <macros73> I read you can swap in larger disks one at a time, let ZFS heal, and expand it that way, but that sounds like a pain.
[01:52:04] <macros73> LOL.  Gotcha.
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[01:52:52] <xRaich[o]2x> the_unmaker: isn't choice an amazing thing?
[01:52:54] <e^ipi> macros73: you can do that, yeah
[01:53:07] <macros73> So most practical options are a) avoid it (eventually though, you need more space), b) backup, destroy zdev, expand, recreate, restore or c) add a new block of disks to the zpool as a new zdev.
[01:53:18] <the_unmaker> www.prevayler.org is haunting my waking dreams
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[01:53:26] <jamesd> macros73, well you could create a new larger pool and move your data to it.. or just add the new drives to your existing pool. but you can't restripe a raidz yet
[01:53:43] <e^ipi> macros73: or the disk juggling thing
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[01:53:56] <e^ipi> replace, wait, replace, wait, replace, wait, more space
[01:54:02] <macros73> when you start off with 1TB drives, I fear disk juggling and the waiting involved
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[01:54:36] <e^ipi> personally i'd just buy disks in blocks of 3 and toss more on the pile when you run out of space
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[01:55:32] <macros73> How popular is raidz?  Are folks mostly runing it and raidz2, or are they using RAID 1/5/10 with ZFS?  (Again assuming no hardware RAID.)
[01:55:34] <the_unmaker> can you merge zpools?
[01:55:50] <macros73> er raidz or raidz2, not and
[01:55:56] <flyingparchment> macros73: how can you use raid5 with zfs without hardware raid?  VX or something?
[01:56:18] <macros73> flyingparchment: Scratch the 5, then, I forgot.  ZFS has raidz instead of 5.
[01:56:46] <e^ipi> it's the same thing
[01:56:51] <flyingparchment> not quite
[01:56:54] <macros73> Not really
[01:56:58] <e^ipi> close enough
[01:57:03] <macros73> if it were the same thing I wouldn't be so keen on using raidz
[01:57:09] <jamesd> flyingparchment, you could use sun volume manager and turn the volume in to a pool
[01:57:13] <macros73> With the whole "write hole" thing and all
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[01:57:26] <e^ipi> right, it's the same thing but more better-er
[01:57:31] <macros73> right :D
[01:57:31] <flyingparchment> jamesd: yes, i've actually done that with vx :)
[01:57:38] <flyingparchment> jamesd: i don't think it's something i'd rely on for serious use though
[01:58:11] <macros73> 1TB drives are cheap.  It may be worth making it a 4 drive array from the start just to put off the future hassle.
[01:58:28] <CIA-33> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Sun dot COM>: 6821681 process robust mutexes must cope with mmap MAP_FIXED
[01:58:48] <jamesd> yeah veritas is fast and works wonders.. but when it comes down to do simple things that zfs makes so damm easy i begin to wonder why i want to pay license fees for it
[02:00:21] <macros73> How stable is the encryption?  I know it's "beta", but "beta" can mean "kinda stable but don't shoot our dog if it fails" or "my dog shoots itself as soon as you use this feature"
[02:00:40] <flyingparchment> macros73: if you really need encryption, do you want to take the chance?
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[02:02:00] <macros73> flyingparchment:  Again, depends on the risks.  If I'm restoring from backups on a daily basis, then no.
[02:02:07] <jamesd> macros73, its designed by someone at sun the same people that do enterprise class solutions.. so if they say its beta, i would take it to be more stable than Linux's stable versions.
[02:02:19] <flyingparchment> marctww: or if it has a bug where it silently forgets to encrypt half the data
[02:03:28] <macros73> Yeah, the whole "oh btw ext4 and to a lesser degree ext3 can silently truncate your data" thing scared me, that's why I'm looking at OSol for this home file server
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[02:04:04] <jbk> jamesd: after having to carve up something like 100 luns into 100+ filesystems (with each specific lun for a a specific filesystem) with veritas, I never wanted to go back to it from zfs
[02:04:10] <jbk> (on one box)
[02:04:27] <jbk> (told at 4:55pm on a friday, and having to stay late to do it)
[02:04:28] <kimc> good point
[02:05:17] <jbk> macros73: but that's a feature :)
[02:05:28] <macros73> jbk: Lol.  Shush.
[02:05:29] <jamesd> jbk, yeah i can believe it...  i saw a coworker doing zones on a  9990.. he spent your just allocating the disks.. and hte 9990 was allready carved into raid5's
[02:05:55] <jbk> even with lots of scripting, it still took several hours
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[02:06:14] <jamesd> 10zones on a m5000, each with whole root using, vxfs/vxvm on san storage.
[02:06:24] <jbk> thank god it was on a symmetrix and not a clariion (they decided they hated money and went all EMC)
[02:06:34] <macros73> How much CPU horsepower does ZFS need to handle compression+encryption?  If I stick a 1.6Ghz processor in there, is it going to starve the disks?
[02:06:56] <jbk> just getting the luns labeled if it was a clariion would have been hell
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[02:07:24] <jamesd> macros73, less than you would think... most disks can't do more than 30MB/s on most workloads... and networks limit the need even more
[02:07:36] <jbk> yeah
[02:07:42] <jbk> cpu power >>>>> disk throughput
[02:07:43] <flyingparchment> macros73: compression uses a very fast algorithm called lzjb, the overhead is almost nothing
[02:07:48] <flyingparchment> but encryption is usually quite slow
[02:07:52] <jamesd> a typical  opteron can do  8GB/s per core... checksumming.
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[02:08:03] <macros73> Zoinks.
[02:08:17] <jbk> if you read any of brendan gregg's blogs on the 7000's hardware, think about how many disks it's taking to cause the cpu utilization seen in the examples
[02:08:19] <flyingparchment> i doubt it can encrypt at 8GB/s ;)
[02:08:30] <jbk> and that's with the default checksumming
[02:08:44] <macros73> Thanks for the help, guys.
[02:08:47] <jamesd> turns out with even semi modern cpus, turning on compression speeds up tasks, because it allows more data to move from the harddrive...
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[02:09:30] <LeftyBSD> some tasks, anyway
[02:09:37] <macros73> I'll haul out my "but Opensolaris running as a guest under vb on a Linux host won't automatically resize with guest add ons installed" plea for help after I eat something
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[02:10:54] <jbk> it does under windows and os x :)
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[02:11:50] <jamesd> it would be interesting to video someone that maintains  linux lvm's setup  zfs for the first time. and seeing how quickly it all just works...
[02:12:30] <the_unmaker> damn
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[02:12:35] <the_unmaker> ZFS looks pretty cool
[02:12:50] <the_unmaker> is opensolaris prety good performance
[02:12:56] <jamesd> its even cooler in real use...
[02:12:58] <the_unmaker> can I compile crap easily with gcc n stuff
[02:13:13] <the_unmaker> compiling on non linux sometimes gv me trouble
[02:13:24] <jamesd> when you compare oranges to oranges, opensolaris is equal in speed if not faster...
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[02:13:38] <the_unmaker> no crap? how abotu v freebsd?
[02:13:44] <the_unmaker> freebsd supposed to be FASt
[02:13:58] <jamesd> sun considers any task where linux is faster than solaris a bug and it needs to get fixed
[02:13:58] <LeftyBSD> they're comparable
[02:14:02] <LeftyBSD> I use both
[02:14:06] <LeftyBSD> (freebsd and osol)
[02:14:14] * psychicist uses xfs for storage on linux and leaves ext* largely unused
[02:14:37] <jamesd> of course freebsd can't scale anywhere as much as solaris can.. and the peices all just fit together so much better...
[02:14:58] <the_unmaker> so why use fbsd
[02:15:00] <the_unmaker> ever
[02:15:18] <jamesd> psychicist, i used to use xfs but zfs totally blows it away in performance, flexibility, etc.
[02:15:21] <the_unmaker> is opensolaris well documented?
[02:15:46] <flyingparchment> now Intel can do CRC32 on-chip, i wonder if zfs will get a crc32 checksum
[02:15:54] <jamesd> solaris is the best documented OS on the planet... opensolaris is still being developed... so not as well
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[02:16:09] <jamesd> the_unmaker, check out docs.sun.com to see.
[02:16:17] <psychicist> jamesd: I know, I'm going to install solaris and opensolaris to see how it works
[02:16:22] <jamesd> and google any topic you like and get non-professional documentation
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[02:17:24] <the_unmaker> so storage and volme management check with zfs
[02:17:33] <the_unmaker> there seem to be packages for a lot of app
[02:17:37] <the_unmaker> sunfreeware or whatever
[02:17:43] <the_unmaker> now what about newer apps
[02:17:50] <the_unmaker> I wna try and need to compile
[02:18:05] <the_unmaker> is c compiler available
[02:18:11] <the_unmaker> like for example aolserver
[02:18:21] <the_unmaker> or like cherokee webserver
[02:18:23] <xRaich[o]2x> there is gcc and sunstudio
[02:18:23] <the_unmaker> or whatever
[02:19:57] <the_unmaker> hmm
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[02:20:06] <the_unmaker> ok so pretty much everything is there
[02:20:17] <jamesd> gcc ships with Solaris and is availible for opensolaris in a package, sun studio is availible, it used to be a $3000 commercial development suite, c, c++, fortran, and the latest verion includes netbeans 6.5 that does php, python, etc...
[02:20:24] <the_unmaker> I assume opensolaris has secuirty and firewalling, nfs, dns, and all that crpa
[02:20:45] <the_unmaker> so wow its a real interesting option
[02:20:54] <the_unmaker> esp with scalability and ZFS
[02:21:03] <the_unmaker> I dont even know what dtrace is
[02:21:08] <the_unmaker> but that is something as well
[02:21:17] <the_unmaker> wow maybe ill switch my home box to opensolairs
[02:21:18] <xRaich[o]2x> dtrace rocks
[02:21:21] <jamesd> the_unmaker, solairs 10 has trusted extension, that has been tested to be the most secure ceritified wise, that is in general use.
[02:22:01] <jbk> with a desktop as well :)
[02:22:28] <the_unmaker> I love iceWM
[02:22:33] <jamesd> the_unmaker, with dtrace you can anwser any question you can ask about your OS...  you have 20 applications running, which one is generating the most reads or writes or both.. is a 1 line dtrace script..  and much much more
[02:22:34] <the_unmaker> is there a iceWM package
[02:22:42] <the_unmaker> no kidding
[02:23:03] <the_unmaker> I can know if php memached mysql eaccelerator or what have you is eating ym resources?
[02:23:32] <the_unmaker> damn it I can sense a weekend of bonking my head on os nuances
[02:23:39] <the_unmaker> and fun or leaning zfs coming
[02:23:54] <the_unmaker> then getting common lisp going or jsut giving up and learning java
[02:24:04] <the_unmaker> and getting my www.prevayler.org instance going
[02:24:12] <jamesd> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/DTrace_Topics_One_Liners#I.2FO
[02:24:15] <the_unmaker> ready to server 1000s of people for my new startup!!!
[02:24:26] <flyingparchment> hmm, zfs list would be more readable if subfilesystems were slightly indented
[02:25:29] <jamesd> solaris has coolstack that is a  apache, mysql, php, squid, memcache  packages built by people that do  web stuff for a living for large sites, all patched and tuned for Solaris with dtrace extension bits that give you even more powerful monitoring than than any other tools
[02:25:51] <trichobezoar> it's webstack now
[02:26:05] <jamesd> yeah i forgot its name...
[02:26:22] <trichobezoar> Keeps me on my toes too
[02:27:24] <the_unmaker> webstack eh
[02:27:32] <the_unmaker> I gota learn all that crpa for my current job
[02:27:33] <jamesd> the dtrace php extensions allows you to time each line of php code, and see how it flows from userland into the kernel and all the way back... with no changes in your code, and has very little impact on performance.
[02:27:52] <the_unmaker> holy crap
[02:27:56] <the_unmaker> then I spank developers
[02:28:15] <the_unmaker> I gota find out howto keep al the execution logic in ram, and let the php hand off moving byte to the os subsystems
[02:28:21] <the_unmaker> I gota leanr to program
[02:28:28] <the_unmaker> forth fascinates me
[02:28:31] <the_unmaker> FORTH
[02:28:37] <the_unmaker> small but extensible!
[02:29:02] <jamesd> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8002801113289007228  <--- watch this.. it shows doing that with python and gnome apps... solving real problems in production.
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[02:29:33] <jamesd> you want forth.. get a sparc box.. its bios (aka obp) is forth.
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[02:45:24] <psychicist> I just read about coreboot and openbios being able to run in qemu, I think that's also worth a try
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[02:52:56] <Leal> Hello all...
[02:55:02] <Leal> goodbye all.. :)
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[02:58:33] <CIA-33> Jack Meng <Jack.Meng at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2009/011 iSCSI Initiator SMF Service, 6786839 Make Solaris iSCSI software initiator an SMF service
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[03:01:56] <taltamir> is there a keyboard shortcut for opening the terminal?
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[03:02:13] <taltamir> my mouse is borked.
[03:05:40] <ottom> taltamir: alt-r shuold get you a 'run command' box, or crtl-esc should open the application menu and then you can cursor-key through the menu to find the terminal launcher
[03:06:29] <ottom> s/crtl/ctrl/  ('control', of course)
[03:11:51] <taltamir> thank you
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[03:14:26] <matsuura> Yeah, So, is there any type of support for fglrx?
[03:14:30] <matsuura> :(
[03:15:11] <matsuura> My life would be near complete if I could get this laptop running fglrx seeing that for some reason, that is the only driver that'll work... >_<
[03:15:37] <matsuura> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa;jsessionid=DB417954058382EFFE248B33DC90695F?messageID=335134&#335134 <-- Found that, but, I don't know russian very well :(
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[03:26:52] <alanc> matsuura: no, ati has not ported fglrx to the solaris kernel
[03:27:06] <matsuura> alanc: :(
[03:27:23] <matsuura> alanc: maybe someone should call those bastards and tell them to do it... >:|
[03:27:47] <alanc> we have
[03:27:51] <alanc> this isn't a new idea
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[03:28:51] <matsuura> alanc: :(
[03:29:29] <matsuura> alanc: maybe someone should go over there and start pulling out some heavy artillary then.....
[03:29:32] <matsuura> :\
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[04:00:10] <e^ipi_> man, this LU is taking forever
[04:00:20] <bda> Heh.
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[04:01:09] <bda> Too many Jons!
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[04:10:23] <e^ipi> umm
[04:10:27] <e^ipi> what's an UltraSPARC-AT10 ?
[04:10:59] <flyingparchment> Rock
[04:11:49] <e^ipi> nifty
[04:12:44] <alanc> I didn't know that, but the bug description says it's for rock...cool
[04:16:01] <jbk> cool
[04:16:07] <jbk> now hopefully they perform :)
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[04:18:26] <e^ipi> i wonder why AT10 though
[04:18:39] <e^ipi> not like... UltraSPARC-RK
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[04:31:21] <cidcoman> question: I am having a strange issue with my opensolaris fileserver. I am streaming video from it to my xbmc or boxee mediacenter app on a macbook.
[04:32:44] <e^ipi> with what?
[04:32:53] <e^ipi> mediatomb was a bitch to compile
[04:33:19] <e^ipi> also, what's the problem?
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[04:34:05] <cidcoman> well this is really wierd
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[04:35:04] <cidcoman> i can run any file off of my boxee mac if i run it directly, but any mkv file i try to open wont open if i access it from boxee
[04:35:12] <cidcoman> or xbmc or plex.
[04:35:35] <e^ipi> sounds like your upnp server isn't picking up mkv files
[04:35:38] <cidcoman> now where it gets strange is if i share the same file with the same permissions on my windows server, i can access the mkv files no problem
[04:35:46] <e^ipi> different upnp server
[04:36:15] <cidcoman> well it should just be an smb share, not even doing upnp
[04:36:34] <cidcoman> all they do is scan your shares for the media your sharing.
[04:37:46] <e^ipi> and whichever one you're running on your fileserver isn't picking up .mkv files
[04:38:59] <cidcoman> and the other thing is, they show up on the list, but when i tell it to play they dont. I touhght maybe i might have had some permissions wrong so i just set the dir to 777 and still the same issue.
[04:39:20] <cidcoman> I read of someone on a forum havin a simliar problem but the forum didnt have an answer in it.
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[04:39:58] <e^ipi> i dunno
[04:40:07] <e^ipi> .mkv doesn't work for me, but for that i blame sony
[04:40:26] <cidcoman> play through a ps3 ?
[04:40:29] <e^ipi> yeah
[04:40:39] <cidcoman> i use tversity for that and they work really well.
[04:40:49] <cidcoman> dont know if you have a windows box or not.
[04:41:00] <e^ipi> no, haven't used it in decades
[04:41:13] <cidcoman> haha, i knew it. cant blame ya.
[04:41:24] <cidcoman> is solaris your main os ?
[04:41:36] <e^ipi> yeah
[04:41:53] <cidcoman> nice, this is my first month using it.
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[04:43:28] <cidcoman> do you think samba might work better than solaris' cifs server?
[04:43:39] <cidcoman> wondering if i should try that.
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[04:44:20] <nachox> evening guys
[04:44:28] <cidcoman> hi
[04:44:30] <e^ipi> no, because it's your upnp server, not the cifs share
[04:45:16] <cidcoman> but thats what doesnt make sense i dont have upnp on solaris or the windows box. justs a smb share.
[04:45:17] <e^ipi> the cifs share isn't failing to share .mkv files, the upnp server is failing to recognize them
[04:45:42] <cidcoman> then i mount those shares on my mac and it grabs the files from there
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[04:58:30] <CIA-33> Jason Beloro <Jason.Beloro at Sun dot COM>: 6734077 libc routines such as memset, memcpy, strlen, strcpy need to be optimized for SUNW,UltraSPARC-AT10, 6806745 Solaris usage of pci_dma_sync hypervisor interface needs to conform to FWARC 2009/050
[04:58:31] <CIA-33> Mark Logan <Mark.Logan at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2007/601 Intel AMT, 6585532 Need to support Intel Active Management Technology in Solaris
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[05:07:28] <nachox> UltraSPARC-AT10 ?
[05:09:43] <mustang> google says......... rock.
[05:14:58] <oninoshiko> mmm... polyphenolas...
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[05:15:44] <e^ipi> nachox: we went through this very conversation about a half hour ago
[05:16:41] <nachox> i was traveling from the university half an hour ago :P
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[05:21:37] <e^ipi> i won't have to be doing that much longer
[05:21:38] <e^ipi> yay!
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[05:23:40] <nachox> e^ipi, you guys also discussed http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/oracle_hp_joint_sun_deal/ ? :)
[05:23:55] <e^ipi> don't ever trust the register.
[05:24:06] <nachox> i dont
[05:25:02] <lblume> Which should be trusted then? :-)
[05:25:34] <nachox> i've been wondering whether the proposed simlink can replace the old tap driver
[05:25:49] <nachox> it'd be nive for openvpn
[05:26:22] <oninoshiko> lblume: i like primary sources, myself
[05:26:37] <e^ipi> lblume: go look at every Sun post by theregister ever... the reg is incredibly hostile to Sun
[05:26:55] <e^ipi> it's like the Fox "News" of tech
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[05:30:43] <lblume> You think so? I found them quite neutral, actually. Sometimes positive reports, sometimes negative. I'm not saying I believe all there is, but it's not like Sun has been always right in its strategic choices, have they?
[05:30:58] <flyingparchment> lblume: ever read the register articles on wikipedia?
[05:31:17] <flyingparchment> lblume: whatever one's own feelings are on it, that sort of crap doesn't belong in something claiming to be journalism
[05:31:23] <lblume> flyingparchment: Makes me laaugh every time :-D
[05:31:40] <flyingparchment> yeah, the onion makes me laugh, but i don't believe what's written in it
[05:32:15] <lblume> Oh, why not? When journalists in other news agencies are using wikipedia as their sole source of input, shouldn't it be said?
[05:32:45] <flyingparchment> lblume: uh.. have you actually *read* what the register writes about wikipedia?  i'm not talking about reporting, that's fine
[05:33:04] <flyingparchment> lblume: the problem is it's not reporting, it's one guy who doesn't like wikipedia and uses the register to insult it, regardless of fact
[05:33:50] <lblume> hmmm, so? All journalists do that, don't they? I've yet to see a totally objective source of news.
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[05:36:00] <lblume> And most journalists those days cite wikipedia as the alpha and omega of information gathering, it's unfashionable to criticise any web 2.0 crap in the mainstream western media. *shrugs* good to see not all of them do.
[05:36:08] <oninoshiko> flyingparchment: and wikipeadia has large swaths of content that do no belong in an encyclopedia. they make fun of it because everyone is taking it MORE seriously then a real source, which at the end of the day is a joke.
[05:37:07] <Asad2005> I have managed to mount a zfs nfsshare on ubuntu client and be able to read and write on   the share but when i mount same share on dreambox i dont see the files and can't write on the mount. any suggestion ?
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[05:38:51] <flyingparchment> lblume: "criticism" isn't for a news article, it's for an opinion column.
[05:39:28] <nachox> anyone familiar with opensolaris b110 package manager? (not sxce)
[05:40:40] <e^ipi> Asad2005: use solaris.
[05:41:58] <Asad2005> e^ipi, I am using opensolaris for zfs
[05:42:03] <Chipdancer> nachox: search for IPS
[05:42:07] <e^ipi> good, keep doing that
[05:43:06] <e^ipi> Asad2005: how are you mounting the share ? CIFS? NFS ?
[05:43:06] <oninoshiko> Asad2005: he means not to use linux for an nfs client. linux's nfs implementation is notoriously buggy
[05:43:34] <nachox> Chipdancer, i know what IPS is, i'm just wondering why the graphical package manager shows me a package is installed when it clearly isnt
[05:43:40] <e^ipi> oninoshiko: true, but it sounded like he was using that broken FUSE thing
[05:44:05] <Asad2005> e^ipi, NFS
[05:44:23] <e^ipi> Asad2005: more than likely, permissions . your UID needs to be the same
[05:44:30] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: finger out and submit yoru KCA2009 proposal
[05:44:31] <lblume> flyingparchment: there is opinion and criticism, implied or explicit, in all reporting. Might have something to do with journalists being human and all.
[05:44:33] <e^ipi> i'd still suggest cifs though ( sharesmb=on )
[05:44:52] <flyingparchment> lblume: yes, but most of them try to be reasonably neutral.  the register doesn't seem to care about that
[05:45:30] <Asad2005> nachox, If solaris offer a share as NFS it suppose to work on any client otherwise whats the point of having a share
[05:45:31] <e^ipi> funny that 2 vaguely unix-like environments have to share files over a windows protocol because one of them doesn't understand how to write a client for an open standard
[05:45:48] <e^ipi> Asad2005: because every client in the world has a proper, to-spec client
[05:45:51] <e^ipi> except for one
[05:45:56] <nachox> Asad2005, ?
[05:45:57] <oninoshiko> Asad2005: it does work with any NFS client
[05:45:58] <Asad2005> e^ipi, yes it is a permission denied but how can i match UID
[05:46:01] <e^ipi> because they're cowboys.
[05:46:10] <oninoshiko> linux doent PROPERLY implement an NFS client
[05:46:43] <e^ipi> Asad2005: create a user with the UID your dreambox machine uses on the solaris machine, and give it rw permissions on the files
[05:46:53] <nachox> e^ipi, where is my cow ascii art when i need it? :P
[05:47:25] <oninoshiko> can't really blame us because linux devs can't follow an open standard.
[05:50:40] <lblume> flyingparchment: Only according to their own values and references. I heard a lot of reporting about Facebook and Twitter, for example, in mainstream French media. I've never heard anything else about them than praise and positive. Never heard anything about how they actually make money, and what their actual value is. Never, ever.
[05:51:00] <Asad2005> e^ipi, I have checked dreambox which has a root id of 0 which same in opensolaris
[05:51:16] <flyingparchment> lblume: sure, i have no problem with reporting facts.  but do you ever notice how real journalists don't write "The government's new plan is completely ridiculous and will bankrupt the country in 5 years."?
[05:51:39] <nachox> Asad2005, the root user is treated differently in nfs by default
[05:52:32] <matsuura> OpenSolaris has support for the Radeon Driver, right?
[05:52:40] <Asad2005> nachox, I know i have enable root user and thats why i have no problem with ubuntu client only dreambox side
[05:52:43] <matsuura> not fglrx...
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[05:53:07] <lblume> flyingparchment: I dont't really underdstand what you mean? is that that journalists are not allowed to think that? Or if they are, that they are not allowed to express it?
[05:53:47] <lblume> But repeating incorrects facts read on wikipedia, somehow, iss correct?
[05:53:53] <nachox> no, it's more than that, nfs will map the root user to the nobody user unless you specially configure it not to
[05:54:08] <flyingparchment> lblume: i'm not talking about using wikipedia as a source, i'm talking about writing *about* wikipedia
[05:54:59] <flyingparchment> lblume: real journalists at least make an effort to be impartial (accepting that everyone has an opinion), but it's clear that the register's regular wikipedia reporter just hates the site, and uses the register as a vehicle to attack it whenever possible
[05:55:07] <flyingparchment> lblume: that makes me not want to trust it as a reliable news source
[05:55:16] <Asad2005> nachox, where can i find the nfs server log i may see what happens when i try to write
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[05:57:01] <flyingparchment> (their reporting on sun is not quite as rabid as that, though)
[05:58:13] <lblume> flyingparchment: But you accept information from "real" journalists at the opposite end of the spectrum, that love wikipedia so much they accept it as part of a ntrual order of things, so they don't even think about it? At least, in their case, we do know their position, don't we? "Real" journalists who use wikipedia as their unchallenged source don't usually say so.
[06:01:00] <e^ipi> Asad2005: if dreambox always runs as root, you'll need to, on the solaris side, sharenfs=root=<dreambox host /name/ remember name, not ip address. resolvable name>
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[06:02:16] <jzmer> does anyone know if there will be an opensolaris release in 2009?
[06:02:29] <e^ipi> that's what "every 6 months" implies
[06:02:40] <nachox> there will be
[06:02:46] <jzmer> oh, thx, thats nice
[06:03:05] <flyingparchment> there won't be, because IBM will buy Sun and scrap the project
[06:03:25] <nachox> flyingparchment, you're always so positive :)
[06:03:28] <oninoshiko> flyingparchment: enjoying el Reg's reporting on that one?
[06:03:52] <jzmer> flyingparchment: isnt there an anti-trust investigation going on?
[06:04:09] <DerSaidin> flyingparchment: everyone else was doing it
[06:04:39] <lblume> I'm not in the Reg with that one.
[06:04:55] <lblume> I think Microsoft will buy Sun, and use Niagara in the next generation of XBox.
[06:05:00] <jzmer> btw, will things like java and mysql get screwed if ibm really annexed sun?
[06:05:09] <e^ipi> jzmer: nobody knows
[06:05:21] <e^ipi> people throw speculation all over the place
[06:05:37] <e^ipi> ultimately nobody's even sure as to the validity of the claims about ibm eating sun anyways
[06:05:53] <e^ipi> so just make up your own ideas about what would happen, since that's what everyone else is doing
[06:06:16] <lblume> Most probably, Microsoft will close the source of Solaris again, so it can use it as a proprietary OS of its console.
[06:06:18] <oninoshiko> jzmer: mysql will not. the source is availble under a free license.
[06:06:20] <jzmer> e^ipi: hmm, so what about the opinion from general public? i supposed u guys are against it?
[06:06:40] <lblume> That would be needed to integrate DirectX 11 into Xorg.
[06:06:58] <oninoshiko> lblume: noone can close the source. they can only stop their own contributions to the opened copy
[06:07:08] <e^ipi> jzmer: it's open source, doesn't really matter
[06:08:00] <lblume> Then they'll declare that all XBox games have to be written using Java only.
[06:08:08] <jzmer> i think i got it somehow, but as for those corporate sponsored projects . . . they might suffer though
[06:08:27] <oninoshiko> jzmer: ibm buying sun it probibly preferable to it just dying, but im not convenced it is one or the other.
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[06:08:45] <e^ipi> could be any number of things happen
[06:08:48] <lblume> After a few years, when gamers playing on Solaris have grown up, they can use genunix as the kernel of Vista Server 2012, without anybody complaining.
[06:08:53] <jzmer> lblume: dirextx with xorg? i dont think thats gonna happen
[06:09:07] <flyingparchment> DerSaidin: huh?  doing what?
[06:09:14] <e^ipi> jzmer: joke...
[06:09:49] <DerSaidin> flyingparchment: replying to you :p
[06:10:07] <lblume> jzmer: I think the X is not a coincidence. Also, have you noticed that they've been growing the number quite quickly? They intend to match them at the next version: DirectXorg 12.
[06:10:08] <nachox> we want a dtraceable direct x :)
[06:10:17] <oninoshiko> what happens, happens. I can't affect it, so im not worried about it. i have to much stuff i can affect to worry about
[06:10:55] <jzmer> lblume: i guess thats wherefore april 1st is approaching
[06:11:13] <lblume> I just can't wait.
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[06:12:07] <Psuedo> Greetings
[06:12:09] <Psuedo> What's faster, accessing Virtual Machines on a Network Share (IDE hard-drive) or accessing Virtual Machines via FUSE (NTFS-3g on SATA hard-drive)?
[06:12:16] <death_ray> installing opensolaris now
[06:12:18] <death_ray> ;)
[06:12:18] <jzmer> btw they will have to port solaris to ppc before its runnable on xbox
[06:12:31] <e^ipi> jzmer: it's halfway there
[06:12:40] <e^ipi> and has been there before
[06:13:02] <e^ipi> Psuedo: you'll have to benchmark to find out
[06:13:09] <oninoshiko> Psuedo: test it and find out. there are multiple differnces there, and even some you havent told us.
[06:13:09] <DerSaidin> I heard Skynet is going to aquire Sun..
[06:13:24] <Psuedo> oninoshiko: Such as?
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[06:13:34] <jzmer> e^ipi: surprised about this. commercial companies are crazed on such things
[06:13:58] <oninoshiko> Psuedo: your access patterns. your NICs.
[06:14:00] <e^ipi> solaris 2.6 ran on ppc
[06:14:16] <Psuedo> oninoshiko: Gigabit NIC... direct connection to the network device
[06:14:20] <death_ray> woa x just popped up
[06:14:22] <oninoshiko> basicly even if you tell me, without testing your exact setups, i wouldnt know
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[06:14:42] <byonik_nijaa> oh yeah
[06:14:57] <lblume> e^ipi: 2.5.1 did, 2.6 too? At this time, PPC was so much fashionable, even Windows NT was there.
[06:15:02] <oninoshiko> access patterns. do you write more or read more? do you do big files or small files? in large or small sections?
[06:15:13] <jzmer> e^ipi: just got it from wikipedia , Solaris 2.5.1 included support for the PowerPC platform
[06:15:16] <oninoshiko> you HAVE to test to know
[06:15:22] <e^ipi> correct, i thought 2.6 did as wel
[06:15:24] <e^ipi> i guess i'm wrong
[06:16:06] <oninoshiko> and if you dont you something VARY similer to your real load (or better yet actually testing with your real load) you're just pissing in the wind
[06:16:25] <Psuedo> Was there a new version of NTFS released with Windows 7?
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[06:17:17] <lblume> See? Here's proof that MS will buy Sun, people are already mistaking the #opensolaris channel with the #windows7 one.
[06:17:27] <oninoshiko> i havent the foggiest.
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[06:18:07] <Psuedo> 1blume: Would I notice the difference between newer version of NTFS within FUSE?
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[06:18:40] <Psuedo> My OpenSolaris disc arrived in the mail yesterday :D
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[06:19:20] <lblume> I have no idea :-) Hopefully, it would warn you of an unsupported version before mounting it and reducing it to a pulp of dead electrons.
[06:19:24] <jzmer> Psuedo: hopefully someday opensolaris will get the popularity of ubuntu
[06:19:37] <byonik_nijaa> a slight bit of marketing could do it
[06:19:50] <oninoshiko> jzmer: i dont know.... i dont think i could handle that
[06:19:53] <byonik_nijaa> just say same or better performance, all the apps, and zfs and dtract, all free
[06:19:57] <ddosia> hello, i have a following problem:
[06:19:58] <ddosia> ddosia@twilight:~# beadm create -a osol-110
[06:19:58] <ddosia> Unable to create osol-110.
[06:19:58] <ddosia> Mount busy.
[06:19:58] <ddosia> while i try to solve this problem, i found a http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6462803
[06:19:59] <byonik_nijaa> people fear sun take back the license
[06:20:07] <Psuedo> yeh, but not as fast
[06:20:10] <byonik_nijaa> Im switching toninight
[06:20:14] <Psuedo> at least not the LiveCD...
[06:20:25] <byonik_nijaa> is bad idea run opensoalris on p4 1.5ghz 768ram
[06:20:26] <byonik_nijaa> ?
[06:20:27] <Psuedo> The installer hasn't been streamlined, whilst Ubuntu's has
[06:20:32] <ddosia> next step is to umount legacy datasets, but i dont know how
[06:20:39] <ddosia> can you help me?
[06:20:40] <Psuedo> The icons aren't quite as great as Ubuntu's
[06:20:44] <e^ipi> byonik_nijaa: those people are idiots, because the source is licensed to you already
[06:20:56] <byonik_nijaa> even zfs?
[06:21:01] <nachox> even zfs
[06:21:02] <e^ipi> all of it
[06:21:03] <Psuedo> yes
[06:21:08] <Psuedo> well ZFS is the selling point
[06:21:10] <e^ipi> it's a non-revokable license
[06:21:14] <byonik_nijaa> linus was bitching that zfs not free and thats all linux wants but he really wnats the netapp filesystem
[06:21:18] <Psuedo> But the other features I mentioned wouldn't be to hard to implement
[06:21:18] <lblume> Oooohhhh, I thought se'd been over that one 3 years ago....
[06:21:19] <oninoshiko> people are stupid. sun cannot take back the license any more then linus can
[06:21:22] <e^ipi> yes, but linus is a moron
[06:21:30] <Psuedo> FreeBSD + ZFS FTW
[06:21:31] <byonik_nijaa> he also humbly said whos kidding who the linux code is better
[06:21:39] <e^ipi> again, linus is a moron
[06:21:47] <byonik_nijaa> i thought opensol > freebsd performance
[06:21:49] <byonik_nijaa> he
[06:21:50] <byonik_nijaa> heh
[06:21:53] <jteo> i remember having this discussion.
[06:21:54] <byonik_nijaa> linus = moron?
[06:22:04] <byonik_nijaa> lol
[06:22:12] <nachox> i can see this going on and on for hours..
[06:22:12] <byonik_nijaa> his git video not so humble either
[06:22:17] <Psuedo> shit, he's got an axe!
[06:22:19] <Psuedo> run
[06:22:20] <byonik_nijaa> sorry i can put sock in it
[06:22:22] <e^ipi> he's a project manager, what does he know about code anymore?
[06:22:24] <Psuedo> Linus is after you
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[06:22:47] <oninoshiko> if he thinks that the CDDL is not a free license...
[06:22:56] <byonik_nijaa> I did this amth today mentally:   opensoalris perormance same or better, all the apps, I can complile apps i dont have, and zfs +dtrace and stuff
[06:23:08] <nachox> e^ipi, the same way openbsd's theo or our joerg are project managers :)
[06:23:08] <byonik_nijaa> so im installing
[06:23:35] <lblume> And soon, the whole OGB.
[06:23:38] <oninoshiko> ohh... dont get me started on theo
[06:24:01] <byonik_nijaa> joerg
[06:24:02] <byonik_nijaa> ?
[06:24:04] <byonik_nijaa> ok
[06:24:10] <byonik_nijaa> i have 3 disks and am installing opensoalris
[06:24:18] <byonik_nijaa> how do I put them all in  zfs as one pool?
[06:24:23] <jzmer> btw, is there a way to set intel framebuffer resolution in grub?
[06:24:33] <byonik_nijaa> I have gnome gui up and running windowy installer
[06:24:36] <e^ipi> jzmer: no, that's an xorg issue
[06:24:42] <byonik_nijaa> ati r128 vidcard
[06:24:46] <e^ipi> byonik_nijaa: you can mirror your root pool
[06:25:01] <e^ipi> you can create a seperate data pool, and do stripes, raid, etc
[06:25:11] <e^ipi> but root has to be a single disk, or mirror
[06:25:23] <e^ipi> it's just the way x86 works
[06:25:23] <jzmer> e^ipi: so i guess theres no boot options like vga=****** like the one in linux?
[06:25:24] <oninoshiko> byonik_nijaa: for your root pool you can only use a single disk or a mirror
[06:25:42] <e^ipi> jzmer: no, it's an xorg thing
[06:26:16] <lblume> e^ipi: why x86? Isn't it the same on sparc? I don't really see the relation?
[06:26:18] <oninoshiko> jzmer: no. why you need to set you resolution for text-mode i will never understand
[06:26:28] <byonik_nijaa> ok so If I have 30g 80g and 9g disk, stick root on the 9g?
[06:26:33] <byonik_nijaa> 3 disks
[06:26:35] <byonik_nijaa> old box
[06:26:44] <lblume> 9 GB is too small.
[06:26:56] <e^ipi> not really
[06:27:06] <lblume> Use the 30.
[06:27:08] <byonik_nijaa> I can select and pick 'soalris' but I dont see zfs stuff anywhere
[06:27:11] <byonik_nijaa> ok
[06:27:12] <jzmer> e^ipi and ononoshiko: the reason being simply that i want my screen to hold more text
[06:27:21] <e^ipi> jzmer: then wait longer until X boots
[06:27:24] <byonik_nijaa> says 3.5g min 9g reccomended
[06:27:45] <oninoshiko> thank you, e^ipi
[06:28:15] <byonik_nijaa> should I install to the 30g and add the other 2 later?
[06:28:17] <lblume> It's the used space, not the HDD size.
[06:28:18] <jzmer> e^ipi and ononoshiko: but what of something else like s24 frame buffer?
[06:28:18] <byonik_nijaa> hm
[06:28:37] <e^ipi> what of it?
[06:28:50] <lblume> On those 9GB, you'll need swap space, maybe dump space, then space to create new BE when updating.
[06:29:07] <jzmer> e^ipi: i mean does those s24 frame buffer give higher resolution for text console?
[06:29:12] <e^ipi> jzmer: no
[06:29:41] <e^ipi> if you're in text console, you fucked up bad
[06:29:55] <e^ipi> screen resolution is the least of your concerns
[06:30:11] <oninoshiko> or removed X (in which case I assume you know what you are doing)
[06:30:29] <e^ipi> oninoshiko: and then you'd be accessing the machine via network, typically
[06:30:41] <oninoshiko> e^ipi: it works for me ^_^
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[06:31:01] <e^ipi> what works for you?
[06:31:11] <jzmer> e^ipi and ononoshiko: thanks for help, yet i guess i will just have to stick with current text console, as I thought theres something like vga boot option in opensolaris as the one in linux. i did remove xorg
[06:31:13] <oninoshiko> accessing via the network
[06:31:27] <byonik_nijaa> I picked each drive and selected use whole disk, but it seem to be using the 7.5 G usible on the 9g drive, should i go back and use the 38g usible?
[06:31:40] <byonik_nijaa> hm
[06:31:54] <e^ipi> these are all personal decisions
[06:32:06] <e^ipi> the only really appropriate answer is "if you like"
[06:32:58] <byonik_nijaa> can I add the other 2 drives later using zfs?
[06:33:05] <oninoshiko> jzmer: normally I go in via SSH from another box. (then again i cant be bothered to open the KVM over IP anyway
[06:33:13] <lblume> Considering that if you don't, you will have to soon anyway, because it's simply not a comfortable space to work with (unless you want to do a minimal install with very little in it)
[06:33:25] <byonik_nijaa> ok I use the 28g
[06:34:48] <byonik_nijaa> actually screw it I used 78g free
[06:34:51] <byonik_nijaa> ;)
[06:34:56] <byonik_nijaa> add the dinky disken ltr
[06:35:03] <jzmer> oninoshiko: that would be more "aesthetically" pleasing, i hope. not a bad idea
[06:35:20] <byonik_nijaa> gota get rida gnome asap
[06:35:24] <byonik_nijaa> I love iceWM
[06:35:54] <oninoshiko> jzmer: oh twice over when you consider my nice green on black colour scheme...
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[06:36:19] <byonik_nijaa> 2008.05 cd
[06:36:47] <e^ipi> that's pretty old
[06:36:58] <byonik_nijaa> once its installed I can upgrade eh
[06:36:58] <jzmer> theres a 2008.11
[06:37:23] <byonik_nijaa> I remember last time it might not ahve used zfs by default
[06:37:30] <byonik_nijaa> I didnt see a switch for it
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[06:37:37] <byonik_nijaa> what if I dont end up with zfs?
[06:37:48] <e^ipi> then you did something magicall
[06:37:51] <e^ipi> because it's not an option
[06:37:54] <e^ipi> it's mandatory
[06:37:58] <lblume> byonik_nijaa: Upgrading from original 2008.05 is especially painful, and also, the installer made some partitioning choices that are now obsolete.
[06:39:02] <byonik_nijaa> oh crap
[06:39:17] <byonik_nijaa> painful?
[06:39:19] <byonik_nijaa> why
[06:39:28] <byonik_nijaa> fark
[06:40:18] <byonik_nijaa> like what partitioning choces?
[06:40:22] <byonik_nijaa> hm
[06:40:33] <lblume> Many bugs in the initial pkg-manager that were ironed out later.
[06:40:34] <byonik_nijaa> my only working cd burner is the box im instlaling on
[06:40:35] <byonik_nijaa> lol
[06:40:51] <byonik_nijaa> well I can upgrade straight away
[06:40:59] <lblume> IIRC, the swap is on a separate slice, not part of the zpool.
[06:42:39] <lblume> You'll have to follow some special steps for upgrading, and the swap slice won't change.
[06:42:49] <lblume> Good luck.
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[06:46:43] <byonik_nijaa> heh
[06:46:49] <byonik_nijaa> damn it jim!
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[06:50:17] <byonik_nijaa> does the cd download stuff?
[06:50:23] <byonik_nijaa> or just move ti from cd to disk
[06:50:52] <byonik_nijaa> the cd can onyl be 700m
[06:50:55] <byonik_nijaa> hm
[06:50:58] <byonik_nijaa> must download
[06:51:10] <lblume> No download, you do it afterwards.
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[06:55:39] <byonik_nijaa> its taking forever to transfer
[06:55:43] <byonik_nijaa> 25%
[06:55:51] <byonik_nijaa> and its been going for liek 20min
[06:56:23] <byonik_nijaa> hope there is no bs with the 78g drive being not the master
[06:56:25] <byonik_nijaa> or anything
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[07:02:24] <lblume> It is slow.
[07:02:41] <byonik_nijaa> its not normally this slow
[07:02:42] <byonik_nijaa> hm
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[07:04:51] <palowoda> If it's the opensolaris 2008.11 I'd download it from genunix.org, they have a better connection.
[07:05:17] <byonik_nijaa> Im just installing using 2008.05 cd
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[07:05:21] <byonik_nijaa> and gui isntaller
[07:05:23] <byonik_nijaa> gnome
[07:05:30] <byonik_nijaa> its like 30% after half hour
[07:05:33] <byonik_nijaa> from cd to hd
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[07:05:36] <byonik_nijaa> dang
[07:05:47] <byonik_nijaa> should I restart it?
[07:05:59] <byonik_nijaa> p4 1.6ghx 768m ram
[07:06:03] <[JT]> Anyone else having problems with 110 and hal?
[07:06:43] <[JT]> Just upgraded and hald crashes - can't start gdm as a result.
[07:06:46] <lblume> byonik_nijaa: It is *very* slow.
[07:06:59] <lblume> Just wait.
[07:08:00] <nachox> [JT], i had that problem when i booted an xvm enabled kernel, but it went away when i booted a regular one
[07:08:18] <[JT]> Yeah - this is a PV kernel on Xen.
[07:08:23] <[JT]> Guess I'll revert back to 109.
[07:09:18] <byonik_nijaa> lblume: oh you mean its always slow, not that mine is unusually slow
[07:10:09] <lblume> Yes, it's naturally slow :-)
[07:10:21] <byonik_nijaa> ahhh, I feel much better
[07:10:33] <byonik_nijaa> http://webcast-west.sun.com/interactive/09B12442/index.html found cool vid on upgrade too
[07:10:49] <byonik_nijaa> skype works on opensol?
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[07:12:23] <palowoda> [JT]: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6811793  posible
[07:13:12] <[JT]> Possibly, palowoda - thanks for the link.
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[07:14:17] <Asad2005> e^ipil, I tried "zfs set sharenfs=root=dm8000 testzfs/dream/movie" but same problem permission denied if i tried to write from dreambox
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[07:19:08] <Asad2005> Any body, my original question was permission denied in dreambox client while ubuntu client ok. zfs nfs share in opensolaris.
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[07:19:47] * codestr0m makes a *bunch* of noise
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[07:20:41] * lblume was listening to a loud street concert last evening, thus doesn't hear codestr0m
[07:20:42] <fraggeln> its to early to make noice..
[07:20:50] <codestr0m> lblume: I saw your post on the list..
[07:21:07] <lblume> I hope I didn't look like overreacting :-)
[07:21:08] <codestr0m> you know.. I'm not sure why bother fighting them. they won't change their licensing for anyone
[07:21:34] <codestr0m> if you need a community or i18n changes.. make a laundry list and I'll help you as best I can
[07:21:41] <codestr0m> more devs are merging with us now
[07:21:58] <lblume> Fighting lazyness to change habits is more difficult than bad habits at all :-)
[07:22:33] <codestr0m> lblume: or.. no bad habits yet and productive instead of fighting
[07:24:04] <lblume> I really need to spend a few 元 on a new computer, to be able to work comfortably again first. I'm thinking more and more that you're right, just spending too much time trying to do things with them and just beig ignored.
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[07:25:44] <codestr0m> lblume: well. if you saw how small you are at the giants foot you'd realize this.. people never look up though
[07:27:09] <lblume> :-) I'm not that pessimistic, I deal with individuals mostly, and they've got good intentions - but not willing to learn new ways, or even not knowing they should.
[07:27:51] <lblume> More like trying to work with many regular sized people which are sitting on the sshoulders of the giant :-)
[07:27:53] <codestr0m> lblume: anyway.. you do what you feel will get you best results
[07:28:15] <codestr0m> lblume: yeah.. so high up they can't hear you all the time
[07:28:59] <lblume> That's it. And they don't underetand why you can't leap over walls like they do so easily.
[07:29:29] <byonik_nijaa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIWm1GSHJ2o this just never gets old
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[07:31:10] <lblume> Well, time to do some cleaning up and enjoy  the sunny afternoon, bye for now people!
[07:31:36] <codestr0m> lblume: have fun!
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[08:58:28] <CIA-33> Xiao-Yu Zhang <Xiao-Yu.Zhang at Sun dot COM>: 6753962 ahci does not work with Asus M3N78 Pro/M3N-HT (nforce 780a) motherboard SATA interfaces
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[09:26:37] <Asad2005> e^ipi,  I tried "zfs set sharenfs=root=dm8000 testzfs/dream/movie" but same problem permission denied if i tried to write from dreambox
[09:27:31] <e^ipi> can the server resolve 'dm8000' in to something sane?
[09:28:12] <Asad2005> e^ipi, how can i test that in opensolaris, what command ? ping !
[09:28:22] <e^ipi> ping works
[09:28:47] <Asad2005> dm8000 is alive
[09:28:56] <e^ipi> hmm
[09:28:58] <e^ipi> dunno, should work
[09:29:44] <Asad2005> mounting work ok but i cant even ls the files in there. while listing and writing is ok in ubuntu
[09:29:50] <e^ipi> try setting sharenfs=anon=0
[09:29:57] <e^ipi> that's insecure and you shouldn't do it
[09:30:01] <e^ipi> but for testing *shrug*
[09:30:06] <Asad2005> ok
[09:31:44] <TT> hehe cool an other personhow has problems with a dream box and opensolaris
[09:31:55] <Asad2005> e^ipi, that is working  ok
[09:32:16] <tsoome> you have name issue then
[09:32:44] <Asad2005> username you mean ?
[09:32:51] <tsoome> hostname
[09:33:12] <tsoome> anon=0 maps root to root
[09:33:21] <e^ipi> if anon=0 works and root=blah doesn't, it means that blah isn't resolving properly
[09:33:31] <Asad2005> is there away to add something to /etc/hosts file similar to linux ?
[09:33:36] <e^ipi> yes
[09:33:39] <Stric> same same
[09:33:42] <tsoome> while root=hostname maps root to root only for that hostname
[09:33:44] <Gekz> phear IBM
[09:34:11] <tsoome> if root= doesnt work, you are using wrong name
[09:34:17] <[lewellyn]> phear ibm who is trying to save money left and right, yes :P
[09:34:17] <e^ipi> christ, will people stop talking about that already, we've run the gauntlet of "what if..." speculation
[09:34:38] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: and ibm's in money-saving mode right now, so it's all moot anyhow
[09:34:51] <e^ipi> they just fired 5000 people
[09:35:07] <[lewellyn]> the proper speculation right now is "which division is being sold next?"
[09:35:16] <[lewellyn]> and that has nothing to do with sun
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[09:35:33] <tsoome> do getent ipnodes dm8000 and then same with ip you got
[09:35:48] <Asad2005> tsoome, How to clear all sharenfs and start over again ?
[09:36:02] <e^ipi> Asad2005: you don't need to clear anything
[09:36:02] <Asad2005> sharenfs settings i mean
[09:36:09] <e^ipi> it's not culmulative
[09:36:31] <tsoome> sharenfs=off :)
[09:37:03] <Asad2005> i tried this before whats wrong with it "zfs set sharenfs=¨root=192.168.2.0/24¨ testzfs/dream/movie"
[09:37:19] <e^ipi> root= doesn't take an IP argument
[09:37:21] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[09:37:36] <[lewellyn]> and those quotes look weird
[09:37:49] <[lewellyn]> or is that a standalone umlaut?
[09:38:07] <Asad2005> so how to enable root for whole LAN ?
[09:38:14] <e^ipi> anon=0
[09:38:32] <[lewellyn]> ugh. you *sure* you want to do that? :P
[09:38:38] <e^ipi> but remember that that lets /anyone/ who can connect to the machine touch files as root
[09:38:49] <e^ipi> including adding, removing, suid ( that's the big one )
[09:38:59] <Asad2005> SO with anon=0 i am safe if i am LAN only and not WAN
[09:39:07] <[lewellyn]> you aren't safe, period.
[09:39:18] <e^ipi> you're as safe as the machine is
[09:39:24] <[lewellyn]> all i need to do is find an ethernet jack on your lan and i have full root on your server
[09:39:26] <e^ipi> if you can connect to it over WAN, you're unsafe
[09:39:45] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: well, you have root as far as files are concerned
[09:39:57] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: no. i can get a root shell ;)
[09:40:02] <e^ipi> you can set a top-level ACL on the nfs share to remove execute from everything
[09:40:05] <tsoome> did you do thet getent test?
[09:40:07] <Asad2005> i will add hostname IP in hosts file and test that again
[09:40:21] <tsoome> that*
[09:40:30] <e^ipi> which would just mean that your files can be deleted or added to
[09:40:33] <tsoome> and did you got the same name back from ip
[09:40:54] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: as you mentioned, suid. just plop in a suid script to do fun stuff with ksh93 file descriptors (run a daemon) and edit a build script or something to exec it
[09:41:25] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: remove execute permissions from the share, ACL's are inheritable
[09:41:27] <[lewellyn]> so the next time someone does a "normal" task, they instantly give root
[09:41:39] <[lewellyn]> well, that breaks things like a build dir ;)
[09:41:51] <e^ipi> we're assuming here that it's a pile of movies, not a pile of shell scripts
[09:42:09] <[lewellyn]> and why would a pile of movies need root access from anywhere in the lan?
[09:42:19] <[lewellyn]> use acls or g+s on the dir
[09:42:20] <e^ipi> i don't know, ask Asad2005
[09:42:50] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: in any case, it's highly unlikely that root is the answer ;)
[09:43:15] <Asad2005> e^ipi,  I issued that command now "zfs set sharenfs=root=dm8000 testzfs/dream/movie" and now also working is that because i issued the anon=0 before that
[09:43:41] <e^ipi> no
[09:43:52] <e^ipi> once you set something, you remove it's old value
[09:44:01] <e^ipi> if you want to doublecheck, zfs get sharenfs
[09:44:30] <TT> quick question can i use samba and zfs nfs server?
[09:45:01] <Asad2005> testzfs/dream/movie             sharenfs  root=dm8000                     local   this was the last listing
[09:45:28] <e^ipi> TT: why would you want to? we have a cifs server in the kernel
[09:45:42] <e^ipi> Asad2005: so the only thing it's set to is 'root=dm8000'
[09:46:01] <TT> i know but this one receives only 1,5mb per min xp pro
[09:46:07] <TT> samba does more
[09:46:17] <Asad2005> and is working. I dont know why it did not before
[09:46:22] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: and samba does better with crossing mountpoints ;)
[09:46:24] <Asad2005> Thanks anyhow
[09:48:47] <tsoome> Asad2005: did you write that name to hosts?
[09:51:50] <tsoome> remove that entry from hosts and it wont work; its not working because you used anon=0 before, but because you are using host name which resolved to some ip but you will get some other name from that ip; your name resolving is broken
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[09:55:11] <Asad2005> Sorry guys it did not work when mounting i had 2 nfs servers and i picked the other nfs server from history by mistake so even with anon=0 did not work
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[09:56:27] <Asad2005> tsoome, i mean only with anon=0 it worked and no i did not add it to hosts yet
[09:57:42] <tsoome> well, as i told, anon=0 maps all clients root user to UID 0, so the hostnames doesnt matter at all
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[09:58:40] <tsoome> as soon as you are starting to use hostnames with ro,rw, root,  you need to be sure your reverse resolving works
[09:59:40] <[lewellyn]> Asad2005: what problem, exactly, are you trying to solve that requires your clients to access this share as root?
[09:59:43] <tsoome> if your server cant resolve client ip to name, or names doesnt match, its access denied
[10:00:00] <Asad2005> Now working but i did root=dm8000 on both testzfs/dream   and testzfs/dream/movie
[10:00:19] <Asad2005> testzfs/dream                   sharenfs  root=dm8000                     local
[10:00:19] <Asad2005> testzfs/dream/movie             sharenfs  root=dm8000                     local
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[10:01:28] <Asad2005> [lewellyn], I just wanted to sharenfs for dreambox PVR recordings
[10:02:02] <[lewellyn]> but why as root? that's what i can't figure out
[10:02:16] <[lewellyn]> if you do things as normal users, nfs tends to "just work"
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[10:02:44] <Asad2005> [lewellyn], in the dreambox i think it does it as root
[10:02:49] <[lewellyn]> ew.
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[10:03:46] <Asad2005> [lewellyn], I had a premission denied before setting root=
[10:04:09] <[lewellyn]> that doesn't make it better ;)
[10:05:02] <Asad2005> [lewellyn], do you have other suggestion i will sure try anything i am still experimenting
[10:05:29] <[lewellyn]> i have no idea what a dreambox is, but i'd be looking to see what UID it really does connect as
[10:05:39] <tsoome> well, if your app in that dm8000 works as root, its nothing you can change in server
[10:05:56] <[lewellyn]> and if it's root, i'd limit root access to a specific box, mapped to a normal user
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[10:08:54] <tsoome> oooh coffee finally:D
[10:09:35] <Asad2005> how to restart the sharenfs service
[10:09:47] <tsoome> for what?
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[10:10:48] <Asad2005> i tried sharenfs=on and didnot work and again back to root=dm8000 still not working even after umount remount so may be restarting service is needed
[10:11:14] <tsoome> sharenfs=off will turn it of
[10:11:17] <tsoome> off*
[10:12:33] <tsoome> well.... if you didnt change your app in client from running as root, its no point to remover root= option, as removing it will break your client
[10:15:01] <[lewellyn]> remind me never to buy whatever this thing is that requires running as root :P
[10:16:19] <tsoome> all file operations from client to server include uid and gid from process in client which actually requests that IO; server will use the same uid and gid to verify if that operation can be done ---- except if the uid is root, in that case, for security reason, the server is using uid nobody by default
[10:17:27] <tsoome> by using root=dm8000 you tell server, to leave root=0 for this specific client
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[10:24:05] <tsoome> basically you have 2 options for that client - use root= share option, or change the owner of directory where this client will write files, to nobody
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[10:30:05] <Chiron|> configure: error: Can't locate your X11 installation ... where is the normal path of X in os?
[10:30:20] <[lewellyn]> /usr
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[10:31:23] <tsoome> depends on os and x
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[10:33:32] <DerSaidin> Asad2005: svcadm restart servicename (you can find service name with svcs)
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[10:35:13] <[lewellyn]> tsoome: it's not always rooted in /usr anymore?
[10:35:37] <tsoome> well, technically it is;)
[10:35:56] <tsoome> but that may not be enough for gnu configure;)
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[10:36:55] <[lewellyn]> tsoome: i answered the question posed, nothing more ;)
[10:37:18] <[lewellyn]> "how do i troubleshoot configure?" is a totally different beast from what was asked ;)
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[10:38:42] <tsoome> ofc, as configure *still* cant find X11 files in solaris is another issue and will only give hint how arrogant and ignorant gnu people are
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[10:39:23] <[lewellyn]> i haven't had issues running ./configure for X apps...
[10:39:30] <[lewellyn]> i just built a few on S10U6 a couple hours ago
[10:39:41] <death_ray> crap i installed onto the 80g drive but its a slave
[10:39:52] <death_ray> openbsd is on 30g drive and it booting and saying inconsistency
[10:39:54] <death_ray> damn it
[10:40:05] <death_ray> is my bst option to just reinstall to the the 30g
[10:40:13] <death_ray> sonva bitch
[10:44:52] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: I don't think they're ignorant, I bet they just don't have a solaris testbox and nobody sent them a patch, yet
[10:45:12] <tsoome> ye, thats for some 20 years...
[10:46:20] <[lewellyn]> configure is capable of figuring out which dos environment you are on; you'd think that finding X on non-Linux/BSD would happen eventualy
[10:47:07] <CosmicDJ> well autohell is not foolproof
[10:47:52] <[lewellyn]> the only -proof it is would have to be consistency :P
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[11:08:09] <Ayatolla> good morning
[11:08:31] <[lewellyn]> hiyas
[11:08:45] <[lewellyn]> sorry i had to disappear... how'd it go? you running solaris now? :D
[11:09:58] <death_ray> trying
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[11:12:59] <Ayatolla> no =( still stuck with no pk prompt
[11:13:17] <death_ray> heh
[11:13:27] <death_ray> I wish I knew howto use colorforth sometimes
[11:17:40] <[lewellyn]> dude. i think you got a bum box :(
[11:18:05] <[lewellyn]> don't feel too bad; i have a v100 i can only see the ilom on :)
[11:18:07] <digifor> osol2008.11 is great for me except for one thing. Connecting to GPRS.
[11:18:22] <[lewellyn]> digifor: there's a project for that somewhere on opensolaris.org
[11:18:29] <[lewellyn]> i think they even have examples of how to do it
[11:18:38] <digifor> lewellyn, wwan
[11:19:07] <death_ray> whats gprs?
[11:19:07] <digifor> I used to have mine working and the ISP changed something and it no longer works
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[11:19:26] <digifor> death_ray, mobile phone internet
[11:19:36] <digifor> General Packet Radio Service
[11:19:57] <[lewellyn]> only for gsm networks, though
[11:20:14] <[lewellyn]> those of us on cdma have other methods ;)
[11:20:30] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn] what u do with your bum box?
[11:20:30] <digifor> I connect with ubuntu using wvdial which is pretty simple.
[11:20:32] <[lewellyn]> (and those of us with phones that have both gsm and cdma are in a more unique situation)
[11:20:41] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: it's "parts" :P
[11:20:46] <Ayatolla> =)
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[11:21:08] <Ayatolla> well in tahat case i might have 2 bum boxes
[11:21:11] <[lewellyn]> if i need a new card, or a drive tray, or a power supply, or ram, or... ;)
[11:21:16] <[lewellyn]> they BOTH do it?
[11:21:27] <[lewellyn]> see if you can coerce whoever you got them from to give you the password
[11:21:48] <[lewellyn]> actually, i'm not even sure i get to the lom on my bad v100
[11:22:01] <[lewellyn]> and plopping in a disk doesn't boot
[11:22:31] <Ayatolla> i already tried that
[11:23:04] <Ayatolla> i got them from a groverment auth.. don't think they are so keep about giving out there old passwds
[11:23:13] <Ayatolla> keen, not keep
[11:23:17] <digifor> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/wwan/
[11:23:39] <[lewellyn]> digifor: doesn't help me ;)
[11:24:04] <[lewellyn]> i need to figure out how to attach an ndis driver to the exposed usb interface ;)
[11:24:26] <digifor> ok. pppd is pretty arcane in 2009.:)
[11:24:40] <Ayatolla> [lewellyn] i have this last option that perlmongo suggested.. that is installing os on the disk at some other place and then swap disk, boot up solaris, connect via ssh and reset alom from within os
[11:25:11] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: and you have a working sparc system at "some other place"?
[11:25:43] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ no but i have all you guys here that have
[11:25:47] <Ayatolla> ;)
[11:26:33] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: you're near "Kista"?
[11:26:45] <[lewellyn]> Ayatolla: i'd still recommend trying to netboot it :)
[11:26:55] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ you feel like you wanna do it? no i'm in gavlem but i'm, in stockholm now and then
[11:26:56] <[lewellyn]> faster than hauling disks somewhere, probably
[11:27:06] <Ayatolla> i could also post the disks
[11:27:15] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: google for SWOSUG
[11:27:59] 
[11:28:31] <Ayatolla> it that the swedish osol comunity?
[11:28:53] <CosmicDJ> "Sweden OpenSolaris User Group (SWOSUG)"
[11:29:11] <CosmicDJ> http://opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=65&start=0
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[11:29:34] <CosmicDJ> I'm sure someone there might help you installing solaris sparc on one of your disks
[11:30:18] <CosmicDJ> or they might even help you "break" into your system ;)
[11:30:20] <Ayatolla> cool, tnx for the tip, i'll look in to it
[11:30:35] <CosmicDJ> have a car? announce your problem and take your v240 with you next time
[11:31:32] <Ayatolla> yeeh i might just do that.. sound like a good idea
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[11:32:04] <Ayatolla> so these SWOSUG have a official homepage or?
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[11:32:42] <Ayatolla> or their own chan or do i find the most members here?
[11:32:51] <Stric> Ayatolla: Or bring the machines to where you got them from and say "here's some cookies, can you unlock the machine?"
[11:34:02] <Stric> bribing with cookies is always good :)
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[11:35:18] <Ayatolla> Stric: =) i'm actually going back where i got these on monday to do some otther work.. i doubt that hey will give me the pass, but i thought it's sill wort a try
[11:35:19] <[lewellyn]> and flash a few beers or a bottle of decent-to-good wine from under your coat ;)
[11:35:23] <Ayatolla> asking dosen't hurt
[11:35:26] <houst0n> Hey folks, anyone got a rough date for S10U7?
[11:35:32] <Ayatolla> hehe
[11:35:40] <[lewellyn]> "soon" is the best i've heard
[11:35:49] <[lewellyn]> i think it's probably about 2 months away
[11:36:08] <Stric> Ayatolla: I didn't say to ask for the password, I said bring the machine and have them unlock it
[11:36:25] <[lewellyn]> i doubt they'll push it to july, and i don't expect that they want it stealing 2009.06's thunder :)
[11:37:02] <houst0n> Oh, I hope they don't push it back for that - would be pretty stupid. S10 has a different target
[11:37:12] <Ayatolla> yeeh i will try that
[11:37:52] <lightsaber_muscl> so opensoalris has 1 as good or better performance 2 zfs 3 gcc so can compile all strange apps 4 dtrace 5 firewall and other unixy stuff
[11:38:03] <lightsaber_muscl> so over bsd or linux
[11:38:06] <lightsaber_muscl> im installign screw it
[11:38:19] <lightsaber_muscl> docs good yes?
[11:38:29] <Stric> http://docs.sun.com
[11:38:41] <Stric> loads.
[11:38:45] <Stric> truckloads.
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[11:42:50] <[lewellyn]> houst0n: i would expect U7 before june, myself. i'd think it'd show goodwill toward the installed base while not "hurting" osol adoption. (note that i've no relation to sun other than as a customer/user)
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[11:43:09] <[lewellyn]> literally truckloads
[11:43:27] <[lewellyn]> some of those docs are multi-volume 500-pages-per-volume documentation sets :)
[11:43:52] <houst0n> I'm considering installing S10 on my desktop again.. Using osol -dev for some bizarre reason at the moment and it's unstable as hell...
[11:44:15] <[lewellyn]> it's more common to complain about TOO MANY docs rather than too few with sun ;)
[11:44:24] <houst0n> Yeah sun docu can be a bit heavy
[11:44:30] <[lewellyn]> houst0n: i had to install sxce so i could use my ath.
[11:45:30] <houst0n> Ah, I have a broadcom card so I use Masayuki Murayama's bfe driver
[11:45:49] <Chiron|> http://pastebin.com/m15430c03 ... anybody knows what i could do? (want to compile conky)
[11:45:51] <houst0n> Everything else works fine =)
[11:45:56] <[lewellyn]> yeah. i've heard complaints abou the bfe driver. so glad i have an ath :)
[11:46:20] <houst0n> Chiron|: Conky has lots of very linux-specific code so this is not going to be trivial and you're going to need to rewrite significant parts of it
[11:46:31] <[lewellyn]> and, aside from the xorg fallout from 107, i really like intel's i945 performance in sxce
[11:46:36] <houst0n> Chiron|: afaik someone got a "mostly" working torsmo a while ago
[11:46:45] <houst0n> Which you can get through SFE afaik
[11:46:46] <[lewellyn]> wtf is conky anyhow?
[11:47:01] <houst0n> [lewellyn]: It's a pretty cool little sysmonitor
[11:47:02] <[lewellyn]> the name sounds like something i wouldn't want to run :P
[11:47:10] <houst0n> writes text/graphs/etc to your desktop
[11:47:19] <houst0n> google image search should tell you all you need to know =)
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[11:47:37] <Chiron|> hohum, hm okay, but its this version http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=60548&tstart=0 ... so i thought it can be compiled on opensolaris
[11:47:43] <[lewellyn]> is it cooler than sysstat? ;)
[11:47:47] <houst0n> yep
[11:47:58] <[lewellyn]> so it'll summarize other machines, too?
[11:48:24] <houst0n> Er, not really, but you can have it run scripts etc so easy to do
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[11:48:54] <[lewellyn]> sysstat's automatic :P
[11:49:13] <houst0n> Chiron|: Try adding -lnsl -lresolv -lsocket to your CFLAGS
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[11:49:47] <Chiron|> ok i will try
[11:50:01] <[lewellyn]> and will it tell me that my arc size is 97.8MB and that i'm making 2437 syscalls/sec?
[11:50:32] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: no, I'm not
[11:50:51] <houst0n> [lewellyn]: You can run dtrace scripts from it, or perl, or whatever so you can do quite a lot with it
[11:50:58] <houst0n> But it takes a while to configure
[11:51:04] <[lewellyn]> sysstat requires no configuration :P
[11:51:10] <houst0n> Then use sysstat
[11:51:11] <houst0n> :P
[11:51:13] <[lewellyn]> and it runs a nifty daemon :)
[11:51:40] <Ayatolla> but ur familiar with kista?
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[11:52:20] <[lewellyn]> oh ugh. i forgot to schedule a maintenance window for this weekend... *puts the machine that should be dealt with off till next weekend; 2 machines, then, now. joy*
[11:52:41] <houst0n> Ah, we have helldesk people who schedule changes etc for us - bliss =)
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[11:53:31] <Chiron|> houst0n, the problem is still the same
[11:53:31] <[lewellyn]> i just noted that this box was only on my personal calendar as having a maintenance window
[11:53:36] <[lewellyn]> forgot to push it out :P
[11:54:07] <[lewellyn]> my phone shows a scheduling conflict, so i had to figure out why :P
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[11:54:46] <houst0n> Chiron|: Can you pastebin the most recent output? Did it add those -l's? You will either need to modify the Makefile for that step or set proper CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS and reconfigure it
[11:56:18] <houst0n> Isn't there a .pkg for this on milax.org anyway?
[11:56:22] <houst0n> or w/e the milax site is
[11:57:06] <Chiron|> houst0n, heres the output of the configure-script: http://pastebin.com/m44552aa2
[11:57:16] <houst0n> I don't need that :P
[11:57:26] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: no I just found "Kista" after googeling for "swedish solaris group"
[11:57:39] <houst0n> Just type gmake and w/e, see if it added those libs
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[11:58:36] <Chiron|> gcc: -lnsl: linker input file unused because linking not done ... and the same for the others
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[12:00:13] <houst0n> Paste?
[12:02:17] <Chiron|> http://pastebin.com/m1711acb
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[12:02:35] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ heh ok, kista is the silicon valley of sweden, a little suburb to stockholm wich is flooded with IT and electronic companys
[12:04:03] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ i live 2 hours drive from there, but i will get my self down there.. i have anyhow other friends who might be able to help me down there
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[12:05:56] <houst0n> Chiron|: Yeah I was just trying it here, there is no mixer.c
[12:06:29] <Chiron|> :/
[12:09:34] <houst0n> Well, I got it to build
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[12:09:46] <houst0n> Let me pkg it up for you, no promises it even works though.
[12:11:22] <Chiron|> thx :)
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[12:12:40] <kimc> iostat -Ce returns some errors:
[12:12:41] <kimc> device  s/w h/w trn tot
[12:12:41] <kimc> c0        0  10   0  10
[12:12:55] <kimc> what is the c0 device?
[12:13:17] <houst0n> Looks ok: http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4821/screenshotvpt.png
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[12:15:28] <houst0n> I apparently have some probs with fakeroot so I cba creating a .pkg for you - i've zipped up the src and bins so just extract it and type "make install" or such
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[12:16:44] <Chiron|> thx a lot ... is it working for you?
[12:16:51] <houst0n> See screenshot above
[12:17:04] <houst0n> Ugly as sin .conkyrc in the tarball
[12:17:23] <codestr0m> houst0n: what's that?
[12:17:43] <houst0n> codestr0m: hey man =)
[12:17:50] <houst0n> what's what?
[12:18:00] <codestr0m> that ss you posted
[12:18:10] <codestr0m> it's fugly, but certainly not osol
[12:18:15] <houst0n> Oh, it's opensolaris
[12:18:42] <codestr0m> looks like kde though?
[12:18:43] <houst0n> conky looks horrible I know, I'm an eyecandy person - was jsut to show it worked yeah
[12:18:58] <houst0n> Err, notice the gnome foot at top left?
[12:19:10] <houst0n> looks a hell of a lot like gnome to me ...
[12:19:13] <codestr0m> didn't look that closely and gosh..
[12:19:20] <houst0n> ;)
[12:19:29] <codestr0m> let me remove this fork from my eye
[12:19:44] <Chiron|> damn, i cannot compile it ><
[12:19:50] <houst0n> Chiron|: It's already built!
[12:20:07] <houst0n> Chiron|: just cp ~/path/to/tarball/.conkyrc ~/
[12:20:14] <houst0n> Chiron|: And run ~/path/to/tarball/src/conky
[12:20:26] <Chiron|> oh right ...
[12:20:40] <houst0n> you prob need to remove the "tps" line from the conkyrc file
[12:20:46] <houst0n> As you won't have that script
[12:22:11] <houst0n> codestr0m: and bah, it's only a gtk theme and a wallpaper, much better than default ;)
[12:22:17] <houst0n> Personal pref. tho
[12:22:21] <Chiron|> i removed it ... but Segmentation Fault (core dumped)
[12:22:45] <houst0n> Works fine for me.... What osol you using?
[12:23:16] <Chiron|> SunOS antigone 5.11 snv_110 i86pc i386 i86pc
[12:23:23] <houst0n> sxce?
[12:24:06] <Chiron|> i am using dev-repo, dont know if thats like using sxce
[12:24:15] <fkr> not quite
[12:24:24] <houst0n> Ah dev got update to 110?
[12:24:33] <houst0n> Err well I built it on the same box, but b108
[12:24:36] <houst0n> os, even
[12:25:14] <Chiron|> and i am  not running compiz, its normal gnome with metacity
[12:25:33] * houst0n shrugs
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[12:25:51] <houst0n> I don't really have time to put much more effort into this mate. Keep playing with it - works good here =)
[12:26:13] <Chiron|> sure, thx a lot
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[12:26:52] <houst0n> no probs. /me out
[12:26:56] <houst0n> cya
[12:27:00] <Chiron|> bye
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[12:30:26] <lightsaber_muscl> is galaxina a good movie?
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[12:48:22] <lightsaber_muscl> ( * )Y( * )
[12:48:40] <lightsaber_muscl> ( . )Y( . )
[12:50:01] <[lewellyn]> um.
[12:50:12] <[lewellyn]> yeah...
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[12:50:54] <cambazz> hey guys I am running 8.11 osol, and I am kinda fedup with it
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[12:51:29] <cambazz> it really slowed down, and somehow i get some crashes like from dragging and dropping a file, from a network mounted disk to desktop
[12:51:35] <cambazz> is there a newer osol
[12:51:43] <cambazz> or should I just go to SXCE
[12:52:41] <[lewellyn]> you could run /dev
[12:52:56] <[lewellyn]> right now osol dev and sxce are the same version
[12:53:29] <monsted> mine doesn't crash, it just seems really slow :-/
[12:53:42] <cambazz> [lewellyn]: well when are they going to update the release?
[12:53:48] <cambazz> do you have an idea
[12:53:58] <[lewellyn]> iirc, the next version is slated to be 2009.06
[12:54:16] <[lewellyn]> there's a release candidate up somewhere
[12:54:25] <[lewellyn]> but i run sxce so i haven't paid much attention to that
[12:54:29] <cambazz> ok, i think its time to go SXCE
[12:54:42] <[lewellyn]> note that it works "differently"
[12:54:50] <cambazz> what do you mean by that?
[12:54:51] <[lewellyn]> you lose pkg, for one
[12:55:07] <[lewellyn]> so if you only know how to use pkg, you will be lost
[12:55:31] <cambazz> i dont even know what pkg is
[12:55:36] <cambazz> is it like apt-get
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[12:55:42] <[lewellyn]> the package manager
[12:55:50] <cambazz> oh, the graphical thing?
[12:55:51] <[lewellyn]> how do you install software on your installation?
[12:55:58] <[lewellyn]> there is no graphical thing on sxce
[12:56:11] <[lewellyn]> it's all various "old" tools
[12:56:38] <cambazz> ok, i could handle that. how do you install packages in sxce then?
[12:56:41] <[lewellyn]> if you're not familiar with how solaris has done package management for the past however many years, you probably will be lost ;)
[12:56:48] <[lewellyn]> usually with pkgadd
[12:57:02] <[lewellyn]> there is no repository like you get with osol
[12:57:26] <[lewellyn]> *all* of the packages are on the dvd. so it's a huge download every 2 weeks for what may be a handful of changed packages
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[12:57:40] <[lewellyn]> and does osol use liveupgrade to upgrade to a new build?
[12:57:54] <Stric> [lewellyn]: beadm/pkg
[12:58:05] <[lewellyn]> then you'd have to learn all the lu tools, too
[12:58:11] <Stric> pkg image-update   does it for you
[12:58:19] <[lewellyn]> not on sxce ;)
[12:58:26] <Stric> yeah
[12:58:41] <[lewellyn]> cambazz: if you're familiar with osol, you'll probably be frustrated with things being "different" on sxce
[12:59:25] <[lewellyn]> the tradeoff is that you get new versions a week earlier (or so) and you get a few packages that you wouldn't have access to in osol (like realplayer and crypto support in lofiadm)
[12:59:36] <lightsaber_muscl> is erlang haskell or lisp or smalltalk80 best to program in?
[12:59:45] <lightsaber_muscl> or forth?
[13:00:01] <Stric> which vehicle is best, a car, bicycle or airplane?
[13:00:11] <monsted> lightsaber_muscl: perl :)
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[13:00:26] <[lewellyn]> should i eat orange, purple, or green?
[13:00:27] <cambazz> [lewellyn]: well, if i dont want to go to SXCE, and not use 08.11, then what should i do
[13:00:37] <[lewellyn]> cambazz: change to the dev repo
[13:00:43] <[lewellyn]> ask an osol user how to do that :)
[13:00:46] <cambazz> ok, i see.
[13:00:48] * [lewellyn] looks at Stric
[13:01:16] <lightsaber_muscl> perl seriously?
[13:01:19] <Stric> pkg set-authority .. something
[13:01:29] <^zod^> pfexec set-authority -O http://
[13:01:36] <lightsaber_muscl> parallel programs are under research but dont computers at hadware level do things one ata time
[13:01:54] <^zod^> eg http://pkg.sung=freeware.com:9000  sunfreeware
[13:02:17] <^zod^> pkg.sunfreeware.com
[13:02:18] <Stric> lightsaber_muscl: You need to ask a better question if you want a better reply than "yellow canoe"
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[13:03:21] <^zod^> Gents, is there a way of changing your screen res and refresh rate from command line / console and m ake these changes permanaent ?
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[13:04:05] <^zod^> My montior keeps changing res automatically when I switch from gdm-login to desktop and back. SAometimes I get scree "crashes"#
[13:04:28] <^zod^> screen crashes
[13:04:43] <^zod^> resulting in me having to poweroff manually
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[13:44:11] <Asad2005> I have created a raidz zpool of 3 disk. zpool list shows available space as the total size of disk. My understanding is raidz is similar to raid5 and was expecting the total size to be of 2 disks and not 3 disks. What will happen if i lost one disk now ?
[13:44:32] <JWheeler_> The parity size only gets used as data is added to the disk
[13:44:52] <JWheeler_> you'll see the total disk size going down as data is added at a rate of 3 disks worth, rather than 2
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[13:45:10] <Stric> Asad2005: 'zpool list' will show 3*disk as that's how much you have in the pool
[13:45:22] <Stric> Asad2005: 'zfs list' will show 2*disk as that's how much you can store in the filesystems
[13:49:11] <Asad2005> If that is the case which i have checked as suggested "zfs list " then why it is possible to create a raidz pool with 2 disks only. The minimum for raid5 is 3 disks
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[13:50:22] <Stric> no, the minimum for raid5 is also 2
[13:51:01] <Stric> various implementations won't allow a 2 disk raid5, since it's about the same (but slower) than a mirror
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[13:52:12] <Stric> not sure why zfs allows a 2 disk raidz though, but it does and it's "legal"..
[13:52:32] <Asad2005> ya ok, so by creating a raidz with 2 disks it will be almost same as mirror
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[13:52:40] <Stric> yep. but slower.
[13:52:48] <Stric> (in random iops)
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[13:54:54] <Stric> raidz gives 1*N read iops if the disks can do N iops, mirrors can in theory give x*N for x disks with N iops
[13:55:29] <Asad2005> Stric, I have seen some forum posts saying its not possible to add disks to a raidz pool once created. How can i expand the zpool once filled up? I am planning to start with 3 disks and in a year time or so expand to 4 or even 5 disks
[13:56:26] <Stric> You can't expand a raidz right now, but you can add additional raidz/mirrors to the same pool
[13:56:51] <Stric> but going from total 3 disks to 4 is a no-go
[13:56:55] <Asad2005> Stric, You mean create another set of 3 disks ?
[13:57:01] <Stric> (with kept redundancy)
[13:57:04] <Stric> Yes
[13:57:40] <Stric> You can do: pool { raidz { disk1,disk2,disk3} }  => pool { raidz { disk1,disk2,disk3} , raidz {disk4,disk5,disk6} }  for instance
[13:57:45] <js> is there a way to write some opensolaris distribution to a usb stick WITHOUT running solaris?
[13:57:53] <Stric> but not pool { raidz { disk1,disk2,disk3} } => pool { raidz { disk1,disk2,disk3,disk4} }
[13:58:00] <js> I need it on a usb stick so I can run it, so it's pretty stupid I need a running opensolaris to write it to a usb stick -.-
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[13:58:33] <codestr0m> as part of the giant mirroring we plan to do with all the sun repo.. we're also considering advancing that a step further and adding built-in code review
[13:58:43] <Stric> Asad2005: I believe it's on the roadmap, but it's not too high up in the priority because no business users do this
[13:58:49] <codestr0m> by this I mean 1) incoming patches 2) reviewing/auditing the existing code
[13:58:58] <Asad2005> Stric, with kept redundancy ? do you mean only one disk space will be lost out of the total 6
[13:59:07] <codestr0m> if anyone has any constructive comments on what features/process I'd love to hear them
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[13:59:40] <Stric> Asad2005: You can do: pool { rz {1,2,3} } => pool { rz {1,2,3} , 4 }  but that would be stupid, because if #4 dies you're toast.
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[14:00:24] <MrNaz`> is opensolaris ready for production use on arbitrary hardware yet ? essentially i need to build a zfs box and i'm trying to decide between freebsd and OS
[14:00:42] <Stric> depends on your definition of arbitrary hardware
[14:00:51] <Stric> it doesn't support every hw ever made, no
[14:00:54] <tsoome> MrNaz`: you should learn first what exactly is opensolaris
[14:01:09] <monsted> MrNaz`: freebsd has better hardware support, but worse ZFS support
[14:01:16] <MrNaz`> i'll be using server grade stuff, probably tyan based server chassis, opteron CPUs and a large bunch of WD 1.5tb drives
[14:01:27] <MrNaz`> monsted yes, i know that's the tradeoff
[14:01:31] <Stric> but it does support a whole lot. check the HCL.. if you already have a machine, try a livecd with driver detect util
[14:01:39] <flyingparchment> for production use use solaris 10
[14:01:51] <flyingparchment> (then again if you're using crappy whitebox stuff, it probably doesn't matter..)
[14:01:54] <MrNaz`> tsoome i know what opensolaris is... my question really is this: has opensolaris added decent support for non-sun hardware
[14:02:21] <MrNaz`> flyingparchment we're a non-profit... there's no way i'll be able to afford sun hardware
[14:02:29] <tsoome> if you know what it is, howcome you can ask if its ready for production use?!
[14:02:33] <flyingparchment> we're a non-profit and have loads of sun hardware ;)
[14:02:34] <MrNaz`> i'm buliding this using server chassis from tyan or supermicro
[14:02:48] <MrNaz`> tsoome the keywords there are "non sun hardware"
[14:02:48] <Asad2005> Stric, I tried to remove one disk from a 3disks raidz and got this error "only inactive hot spares or cache devices can be removed" Can you shed some light on this ?
[14:03:00] <DerSaidin> MrNaz`: just check HCL for the hwardware your interested in
[14:03:18] <Stric> Asad2005: You can't do  p { rz{1,2,3} } => p {rz{1,2}}  which you were trying to
[14:03:24] <tsoome> MrNaz`: opensolaris is *beta* code. it doesnt matter if its sun hw or non sun. its *beta*
[14:03:27] <Stric> Asad2005: So what were you actually trying to do?
[14:04:31] <MrNaz`> tsoome in that case i was under the wrong impression... i thought that opensolaris was to solaris what fedora was to rhel
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[14:05:12] <Asad2005> Stric, As i said i was originally planning to create a raidz with 3 disks 1 TB each then in the future i may add 1 or 2 disks to it depending on requirement
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[14:05:32] <DerSaidin> MrNaz`: I think thats the right impression, I don't think you'd be disappointed by it
[14:05:34] <MrNaz`> if that's the case, ,my question now becomes about freebsd's zfs support...
[14:05:35] <monsted> Asad2005: that won't work, unfortunately
[14:05:41] <MrNaz`>  /j #freebsd
[14:05:43] <MrNaz`> err...
[14:05:43] <Asad2005> But now i am experementing with flash disks 3x1 GB
[14:05:58] <monsted> MrNaz`: freebsd ZFS is pretty good in -CURRENT with some new patches
[14:06:13] <MrNaz`> DerSaidin tsoome wsa keen to emphasis beta... which is a scary word in data centres :)
[14:06:19] <tsoome> before Solaris 10 was relased, there was a beta program to make this code available to the wider audience. opensolaris is basically the same thing, except, they did open up the actual source  *and* they named it opensolaris.
[14:07:10] <DerSaidin> MrNaz`: its only scary if you go right up to latest build 110 or something, 101 (2008.10) is pretty solid
[14:07:12] <MrNaz`> i've been using debian stable for years... i'm used to my OS just working... i dont think ive ever had a problem on a production machine that wasnt app related, and i'd like to keep it that way
[14:07:19] <tsoome> and thats because smart people at sun marketing figured out you need to use word "open" to get attention
[14:07:20] <Stric> Asad2005: And that (growing a raidz), is not supported right now.
[14:07:37] <Asad2005> So if decided to do it with 3 disks i should stick with that and create a full system with more disks if needed
[14:07:37] <Stric> Asad2005: And removing a disk from a raid is not supported in any implementation I know of
[14:07:50] <Stric> (except raid1)
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[14:08:30] <Asad2005> but what if one disk failed you will need to remove the failed disk and add a new one instead. right?
[14:08:37] <tsoome> as an example - im running sxce - snv_110 on top of sun W2100z workstation.
[14:08:38] <Stric> No, then you _replace_ a disk
[14:08:57] <Stric> remove/add is not the same as replace in many cases
[14:09:02] <tsoome> and I cant use X, because its broken since snv_109
[14:10:11] <Stric> Asad2005: Seems like some raid5 theory is what you need to read right now ;)
[14:10:24] <Asad2005> Stric, Ya ok thanks. I would be grateful if you can point me to a nice howto for a raidz
[14:10:36] <MrNaz> tsoome you're really not helping to persuade me to use opensolaris :P
[14:10:40] <Stric> docs.sun.com should have plenty of stuff
[14:10:46] <tsoome> D
[14:10:47] <tsoome> :D
[14:10:54] <Stric> but in most cases, it's the same as raid5
[14:11:06] <MrNaz> how does the release work for OS? is 101 considered a stable release?
[14:11:08] <Stric> which probably can't handle shrinking either
[14:11:12] <MrNaz> does it get security patches etc?
[14:11:32] <tsoome> well, the thing is, you can  use it, even in production. but there are limits and it needs testing.
[14:11:39] <MrNaz> or are the builds just sequential, and each build gets no updates after its released ?
[14:11:51] <tsoome> if you wanna real production version, there is solaris 10
[14:11:59] <MrNaz> i'm not a guru admin... i need my OS to work
[14:12:06] <MrNaz> and i cant afford solaris licences
[14:12:12] <flyingparchment> you can't afford $0?
[14:12:12] <Stric> solaris is free.
[14:12:13] <tsoome> ?!
[14:12:22] <MrNaz> free?
[14:12:24] <Stric> paid-for support is not free though
[14:12:29] <Asad2005> Stric, many thanks
[14:12:36] <Stric> but installing and security updates are free.
[14:12:37] <tsoome> solaris is free since... solaris 8, i think
[14:12:49] <MrNaz> oh wow... i'm behind the times
[14:12:53] <Stric> like all of y2k or so
[14:13:35] <MrNaz> so... how well can i expect solaris 10 to run on non-sub hardware? not rubbish whitebox stuff, but mid range server gear
[14:13:44] <MrNaz> tyan, supermicro, etc
[14:13:46] <Stric> if supported - well.
[14:13:50] <flyingparchment> mid-range?  so like 16-32 CPU sockets?
[14:13:58] <Stric> MrNaz: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
[14:14:02] <monsted> if the hardware doesn't suck, solaris will run just fine :)
[14:14:08] <MrNaz> flyingparchment we have different definitions of mid range :P
[14:14:13] <tsoome> MrNaz: if its non-sun hw, you need to dig HCL and maybe test yourself
[14:14:24] <MrNaz> ok cool
[14:14:30] <tsoome> ist cruel PC world, you cant really trust any vendor there
[14:14:38] <MrNaz> if solaris 10 is free, whats the point at all of opensolaris?
[14:14:47] <MrNaz> oh wait... free != open source
[14:14:53] <Stric> solaris is monetary free, opensolaris is free source
[14:14:59] <flyingparchment> opensolaris is a beta of the next version of solaris
[14:15:11] <flyingparchment> which is why people have been saying it's a beta, and solaris 10 is stable
[14:15:15] <tsoome> peak into the future
[14:15:18] <MrNaz> i see
[14:15:27] <tsoome> so you know what features are coming
[14:15:30] <MrNaz> ok so the solaris landscape is taking shape in my head
[14:15:57] <tsoome> quite some are already even backported to solaris 10
[14:16:11] <MrNaz> yeap
[14:16:34] <MrNaz> well thank you all for the very useful information :) i'm going to dig through the HCL and see what cheapo hardware is on it
[14:16:49] <tsoome> if you have HW already - just try it out
[14:17:15] <MrNaz> i dont... we need to build a large storage array... probably in the area of 10tb
[14:17:19] <tsoome> if you are about to buy - dig HCL and necotiate test period before buy
[14:17:29] <MrNaz> i dont want to be using anything but zfs+raidz for that
[14:17:31] <tsoome> negotiate*
[14:17:52] <Stric> Then you probably want Solaris 10.
[14:18:10] <tsoome> well, its file server?
[14:18:22] <MrNaz> yea, file storage only
[14:18:22] <tsoome> or some service with storage?
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[14:18:45] <MrNaz> it'll need to offer connectivity via NFS and also CIFS
[14:19:06] <tsoome> you may be just fine with opensolaris as well, but you need to be more careful with updates
[14:19:10] <MrNaz> if possible, that apple protocol as well because its for video files, and many of our video guys use macs
[14:20:08] <tsoome> those files need to be shared?
[14:20:15] <MrNaz> yes
[14:20:19] <tsoome> ok
[14:20:40] <tsoome> as for plain storage space you can also use iscsi
[14:20:46] <MrNaz> they get captured using the studio workstation, which will upload them to the file server, various people will then work on the video to prepare them for broadcast
[14:20:49] <tsoome> but that cant be shared ofc
[14:21:15] <tsoome> but obviously macs can cope with cifs pretty nice
[14:21:45] <Stric> MrNaz: Check out Sun Storage 7000 line. Well supported storage boxes/NAS (which uses *solaris with extra stuff).
[14:21:59] <MrNaz> we have huge compatibility issues with anything scsi... we've been unable to resolve the scsi dependency conflicts it causes with out volunteer group budget :P
[14:22:20] <MrNaz> Stric I have a US$2,000 budget to build this
[14:22:29] <tsoome> ouch
[14:22:33] <tsoome> well..
[14:22:35] <codestr0m> "You have attempted to view a page that you are not allowed to access.  Please log in with an account which has the required level of privilege for the page you are trying to view.         "
[14:22:36] <MrNaz> I can probably squeeze another $500 or so
[14:22:39] <Stric> for a 10TB "can't fail" file server?
[14:22:39] <codestr0m> which I clicked on http://repo.opensolaris.org/ and sent me to "https://www.opensolaris.org/enter.jspa?targetPage=http%253A%252F%252Frepo.opensolaris.org%252Fhome.action"
[14:22:46] <Stric> Good luck with that.
[14:22:54] <tsoome> 7000 is overprized 4540 and up
[14:22:58] <MrNaz> Stric for a 10TB "shouldn't fail" file server :P
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[14:25:37] <MrNaz> Stric i can probably get budget for this:  http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/index.php?redir=http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?input[product_code]=SY-CSPC-314B2932&input[category_id]=1414
[14:25:41] <MrNaz> populated with 1.5tb hdds
[14:26:14] <MrNaz> that's about US$3,400
[14:26:29] <flyingparchment> so you're only 75% over budget already...
[14:26:45] <MrNaz> i can donate the difference if need be
[14:26:58] <MrNaz> so long as there are no other costs, thats fine
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[14:27:33] <MrNaz> also bear in mind that this is a small prt of a larger video broadcast project that ive been working on, so taking money from one area where i can save and allocating it here isnt a big deal
[14:27:34] <DerSaidin> UPS? Rack?
[14:27:51] <MrNaz> DerSaidin we've got a rack and UPS already
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[14:28:58] <tsoome> for a kind of 10TB of storage there are cases with some 12-16 HDD slots and even more
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[14:29:15] <tsoome> its quite possible to build up very nice cheap solutions
[14:29:23] <MrNaz> yea i'm looking at some of tyans stuff
[14:29:29] <MrNaz> ive used a tyan server before
[14:29:38] <MrNaz> a 1ru server with 4 sata hdd bays
[14:30:01] <MrNaz> i'm very happy with their gear... extremely high performance for what it costs
[14:30:59] <tsoome> what you need to keep in mind; if you wanna run zfs file server, you wanna make sure you can set up zil log device to get decent speed
[14:31:17] <MrNaz> never heard of that...
[14:32:02] <tsoome> of course, zfs can and will run without, but it depends on your environment if the perfomance will be acceptable
[14:32:21] <MrNaz> what's zil log ?
[14:32:38] <tsoome> its basically write log for transactions
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[14:33:18] <MrNaz> umm... so that's a write log you have to turn on?
[14:33:27] <tsoome> you wanna have low latency device for it; by default, this log is kept on same disks where your pool is
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[14:34:19] <MrNaz> ok
[14:34:26] <tsoome> google for it
[14:34:34] <tsoome> zfs zil slog
[14:34:36] <MrNaz> i'm going to come back to learning about zfs admin later
[14:35:02] <MrNaz> yea i'm already reading neil perrin's blog about it
[14:35:51] <tsoome> whats nice with sun 7000 storage line is they are using sata disks and also have zil log device to speed up writes, but also have device for L2 ARC cache to speed up reads
[14:36:17] <Stric> at least the more expensive ones ;)
[14:36:22] <MrNaz> ok so the zil log is pretty much what postgresql's wal log is
[14:36:23] <tsoome> yep
[14:36:26] <MrNaz> well... it serves that purpose
[14:36:31] <tsoome> or oracle redo log
[14:36:37] <MrNaz> yeap
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[14:37:56] <tsoome> zfs can run without, but in case you need to get max IOPS/bandwith from it, you wanna have those caches
[14:38:13] <tsoome> depending on your hardware of course
[14:38:17] <MrNaz> the disks arent going to get hit very hard
[14:38:27] <MrNaz> there wont be a huge amount of concurrency required of them
[14:38:41] <MrNaz> our weak link will be the network, which is at best going to be commodity gigabit gear
[14:39:16] <MrNaz> maybe, if i'm lucky, i'll find a network switch that can trunk two ports to the server
[14:39:28] <MrNaz> but i doubt that feature will fit in my network budget
[14:39:44] <tsoome> well, you may wanna digg into nfs and zfs perfomance related information in google
[14:40:09] <MrNaz> ive been using nfs for quite some time now... are there specific issues that nfs has when used against zfs volumes ?
[14:40:31] <Stric> the "problem" is that nfs-over-zfs gives more promises than most other nfs implementations
[14:40:47] <Stric> i.e., it doesn't lie like the others to speed stuff up
[14:40:50] <Stric> unless you tell it to
[14:41:26] <MrNaz> hm... i see
[14:41:50] <MrNaz> well... given that we have low concurrency we may even be rnuning the nfs mounts in sync mode
[14:41:59] <MrNaz> so i doubt that'll be an issue for us
[14:42:05] <Stric> which, in case of a server kernel crash or so, will give corruption in the case of the stuff that was in the memory disk cache
[14:42:10] <tsoome> the main source of problems is the fact thats zfs relies heavily on memory - caching. but computer memory is not normally backed up with battery as they do with arrays
[14:42:20] <tsoome> therefore zfs will try to play safe
[14:42:49] <Stric> at the expense of latencies etc
[14:43:35] <MrNaz> not an issue for us... as i said, the array will not be squeezed for performance, the consumer grade network will see to that :)
[14:44:54] <Stric> My guess is that it will be an issue.. but that's for me to guess and for you to find out
[14:45:28] <MrNaz> hmm
[14:45:40] <MrNaz> i dont like it when your guess means i'll likely end up with problems
[14:45:55] <Stric> you can turn it into "lie like all other implementations" and get good speed
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[14:46:13] <MrNaz> does that have associated problems ?
[14:46:19] <Stric> it's really "only" an issue of some writes being lost if the server crashes
[14:46:31] <MrNaz> oh... is that all
[14:46:32] <MrNaz> ?
[14:46:39] <MrNaz> that's really not an issue, so long as stored data is safe
[14:46:41] <Stric> nfs has protections against that
[14:46:42] <tsoome> thats the reason i did mention zil log device for you:D
[14:46:47] <Stric> but most implementations lie around it
[14:47:03] <Stric> to get performance instead
[14:47:20] <MrNaz> tsoome yes i see that now :)
[14:48:06] <Stric> MrNaz: There are docs out there that explain the stuff well
[14:48:24] <MrNaz> i'll look into them
[14:48:42] <MrNaz> at this stage, however, i just need to know that a) there are issues and b) there are ways of dealing with them
[14:48:43] <Stric> zil_disable is the "a bit of safety off" switch
[14:49:12] <Stric> see ZFS Evil Tuning Guide for more info
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[14:49:24] <MrNaz> as long as there are no gotchas that will surface after ive bought all the hardware for this
[14:49:48] <Stric> drivers I guess..
[14:49:52] <Stric> check HCL before
[14:50:02] <MrNaz> scouring that now
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[14:57:40] <SatManUK> hi can you tell me the grub command for booting into opensolaris it seems to have corrupted on install
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[15:00:22] <Ryougi_Shiki> I have problem importing freebsd's zfs pool in opensolaris: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1374844
[15:00:37] <Ryougi_Shiki> anyone have idea?
[15:01:56] <tsoome> those pools were fine and oerational in freebsd?
[15:02:02] <tsoome> operational*
[15:02:18] <Ryougi_Shiki> here's how it looked like in freebsd: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1374845
[15:03:05] <tsoome> you did zpool export them before moving disks?
[15:03:09] <Ryougi_Shiki> yes
[15:03:16] <SatManUK> i have tri-booted my laptop opensuse linux, pc-bsd and opensolaris, but when i try to boot to opensolaris its trying to boot to opensolaris grub, can i just boot opensolaris directly?
[15:03:57] <Ryougi_Shiki> rpool one didn't though as I didn't bother booting to single-user mode
[15:04:21] <SatManUK> primary partition 1 - 10gb bsd, primary partition 2, 10gb opensolaris, primary partition 3 is swap extended partition with 10gb for linux / and 40gb for user data
[15:04:21] <tsoome> its hard to comment really
[15:04:53] <tsoome> its wierd why you have errors on 3 disks and no errors on another 3
[15:04:58] <Ryougi_Shiki> I'm confused too
[15:05:28] <Ryougi_Shiki> I don't really care about rpool pool as I'll purge it
[15:05:29] <tsoome> how are those disks connected to solaris?
[15:05:37] <Ryougi_Shiki> 5 are sata
[15:05:39] <Ryougi_Shiki> 1 is pata
[15:06:10] <tsoome> well, what you can do is reconnect to freebds and see if the errors are gone
[15:06:15] <Ryougi_Shiki> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1374846
[15:06:25] <Ryougi_Shiki> well, it's currently running fine on freebsd
[15:06:35] <tsoome> zpool scrub them?
[15:06:55] <Ryougi_Shiki> let me try
[15:07:02] <Ryougi_Shiki> but there shouldn't be any problem
[15:07:04] <tsoome> it might be the connection issue of course
[15:07:21] <tsoome> since 3 disks seem to be ok.....
[15:07:48] <Ryougi_Shiki> actually it's happened before, on anime pool
[15:08:04] <Ryougi_Shiki> when two disks are connected to pata, both are unavailable
[15:08:18] <tsoome> hm
[15:08:24] <tsoome> master/slave issue?
[15:08:28] <Ryougi_Shiki> then recently I did replace one of the disk to sata
[15:08:56] <Ryougi_Shiki> but it's still giving me unavail for both disk (I expected sata one would be online)
[15:10:40] <tsoome> in solaris you can use format -> analyze read test to check daisk surface
[15:10:43] <tsoome> disk*
[15:12:15] <Ryougi_Shiki> what does t in c3t1d0p0 stand for?
[15:12:16] <tsoome> im pretty sure there is no surface issues, but it can still reveal connection issues
[15:12:39] <tsoome> controller 3, target 1 disk 0 fdisk partition 0
[15:12:42] <Ryougi_Shiki> oh
[15:12:53] <Ryougi_Shiki> s = slice?
[15:12:58] <tsoome> yes
[15:12:59] <Ryougi_Shiki> c3t4d0s2
[15:13:14] <Ryougi_Shiki> why is it on slice
[15:13:20] <tsoome> slice is for vtoc slice
[15:13:30] <Ryougi_Shiki> the rest are partition
[15:15:14] <tsoome> whats ad4s1d in freebsd?
[15:15:41] <Ryougi_Shiki> zfs pool (rpool)
[15:15:58] <tsoome> havent used freebsd in years.... many-many years
[15:16:21] <tsoome> ye i got its rpool, but as for disk partitioning?
[15:16:42] <Ryougi_Shiki> freebsd disk slice
[15:17:13] <tsoome> im not sure solaris can understand that
[15:17:29] <Ryougi_Shiki> well, I don't really need to read the data from there
[15:18:12] <Ryougi_Shiki> since I'll basically just delete that disk for opensolaris when I can make it read pool anime
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[15:19:38] <tsoome> adXY is notation for plain disks? or they expect to have fdisk on still?
[15:19:49] <Ryougi_Shiki> plain disk
[15:20:21] <tsoome> as solaris does see p0 for some reason on 4 of those anome pool disks
[15:20:26] <tsoome> anime*
[15:20:30] <tsoome> damn i cant type:D
[15:20:37] <Ryougi_Shiki> yes
[15:20:56] <Ryougi_Shiki> but the replaced disk it sees s2
[15:20:59] <Ryougi_Shiki> s, and 2
[15:21:07] <Ryougi_Shiki> I don't get how it can happen
[15:21:26] <Ryougi_Shiki> or perhaps removing rpool disk can help?
[15:22:04] <Ryougi_Shiki> perhaps it confused solaris or something
[15:22:05] <tsoome> if it will, it will indicate hw issue - related to  HBA imo
[15:22:37] <Ryougi_Shiki> I suspected it's the problem with pata disks
[15:22:46] <tsoome> i have played only import export pool via solaris and macos
[15:22:53] <[lewellyn]> wait. anime pools? filled with buxom females?
[15:22:59] <tsoome> and even that was iscsi lun, not real disk
[15:23:07] <tsoome> :D
[15:23:20] <Ryougi_Shiki> [lewellyn]: not all, lol
[15:23:32] <Ryougi_Shiki> hmm
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[15:24:06] <[lewellyn]> i only need 3 ;)
[15:24:19] <tsoome> anyhow, if you still have that faulty disk connected to solaris, try format - analyze read test at least
[15:24:21] <Ryougi_Shiki> so most likely it was like this: pata disk (c0d1p0) has HBA problem, and for sata disk, opensolaris was confused between rpool and anime?
[15:24:24] <SatManUK> can i repair grub from the opensolaris cd?
[15:25:02] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: should be able to :)
[15:25:34] <SatManUK> [lewellyn]: how do i do it from Install?
[15:25:51] <SatManUK> or from the terminal?
[15:26:04] <Ryougi_Shiki> also the fact that opensolaris read two rpool pool when there's really only one
[15:27:04] <SatManUK> [lewellyn]: it said there was some error when i tried to install it last night i will attempt to reinstall it now but i don't want opensolaris grub in my mbr
[15:27:17] <SatManUK> i am using linux grub to boot between linux, bsd and opensolaris
[15:27:36] <Ryougi_Shiki> SatManUK: use opensolaris' grub :p
[15:27:42] <Ryougi_Shiki> that's what I did for my laptop
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[15:27:52] <SatManUK> it shouldn't support extended partitions does it?
[15:27:57] <Ryougi_Shiki> uh
[15:28:16] <Ryougi_Shiki> okay, it doesnt. I forced to use primary partitions for all oses
[15:28:18] <Ryougi_Shiki> :(
[15:28:20] <SatManUK> my linux is on the extended partition because 3 primaries are BSD, Solaris and SWAP
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[15:28:44] <tsoome> why you have swap on primary?
[15:28:48] <SatManUK> and i want to keep /home seperate
[15:28:54] <tsoome> and swap for what?
[15:28:56] <Ryougi_Shiki> what swap?
[15:28:57] <SatManUK> i thought it was required
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[15:29:02] <SatManUK> linux swap
[15:29:08] <tsoome> obviously...
[15:29:17] <Ryougi_Shiki> swap the swap and linux's root?
[15:29:30] <Ryougi_Shiki> (linux root as primary, swap at extended)
[15:29:55] <SatManUK> ok but i would have to reinstall it again lol and i am lazy can't i just edit the existing grub to boot into solaris?
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[15:30:32] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: so chainload somehow? :)
[15:30:37] <tsoome> man google?
[15:30:44] <SatManUK> the issue isn't grub on linux
[15:30:45] <tsoome> :D
[15:30:48] <SatManUK> linux is passing to opensolaris
[15:30:49] <[lewellyn]> i dunno if you can use logical partitions with solaris grub. i have no need for them ;)
[15:30:54] <SatManUK> but opensolaris grub isn't booting
[15:31:03] <[lewellyn]> define "isn't booting"
[15:31:24] <Ryougi_Shiki> linux's grub can't boot zfs, can it?
[15:31:27] <SatManUK> its taking me to OpenSolaris Grub error asking me for minimal bash like editing
[15:31:41] <tsoome> http://cristianobasso.com/blog/?tag=menulst
[15:31:43] <SatManUK> mbr grub - passes to opensolaris grub, but opensolaris grub is corrupt
[15:31:56] <tsoome> i have no idea if thats anything to do with reality
[15:31:56] <[lewellyn]> SatManUK: how are you passing to solaris?
[15:32:06] <[lewellyn]> rootnoverify hd(0,X)
[15:32:12] <[lewellyn]> chainloader +1
[15:32:13] <tsoome> but thats what was found via google
[15:32:15] <[lewellyn]> something like that?
[15:32:24] <SatManUK> yes
[15:32:35] <SatManUK> its on partition 2
[15:32:48] <SatManUK> sda2 in linux not sure what it would be in solaris
[15:32:52] <[lewellyn]> what exactly are you doing? (pastebin is good) and what is it printing?
[15:32:59] <SatManUK> sda1 is bsd that works fine
[15:33:01] <SatManUK> hold on
[15:33:04] <[lewellyn]> what it is in the OS is irrelevant
[15:33:09] <[lewellyn]> all that matters is what grub sees
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[15:43:34] <Ryougi_Shiki> oh well, I currently don't have physical access to the machine. Will check tomorrow or monday
[15:44:40] <Ryougi_Shiki> hopefully it's just as suspected - removing rpool disk will change one of the disk's status as online
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[15:49:51] <SatManUK> [lewellyn]: i am going to reinstall opensolaris and see where the error was yesterday
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[15:58:31] <CIA-33> Evan Yan <Evan.Yan at Sun dot COM>: 6822404 IRM assumes default intr allocated 8 irrespective of the actual value.
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[16:02:25] <SatManUK> how to configure ahteros wifi in opensolaris?
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[16:06:14] <Leal> Hello all..
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[16:36:09] <C_Kode> Hi all.  What is the best reference book to have for OpenSolaris?
[16:36:42] <SatManUK> C_Kode: i am just starting out but doesn't it come with any docs online?
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[16:37:25] <SatManUK> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/
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[16:39:14] <C_Kode> SatManUK, I'm a long time Unix admin, but my experience with Solaris was version 2.7 and it was all migrating to RHEL at the time.  I'm looking at Solaris 10 for our storage systems and would like just a reference near by for quick lookups and maybe advanced info on stuff like zfs, DTrace, and zones
[16:39:54] <C_Kode> It's always better to ask those that know, then buy books through trial and error.
[16:40:17] <SatManUK> i am used to Linux mainly myself and I am trying to get more expereince with different server systems
[16:40:40] <SatManUK> how much of the desktop distro's applies to real life installations i am not sure.. I am sure you no more than me
[16:40:57] <SatManUK> but once you get used to the desktop you switch to the cli for speed
[16:41:10] <C_Kode> :)
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[16:41:55] <SatManUK> i hope for something close to 100% in my operating systems class - trying to convert my knowledge into a degree
[16:41:59] <C_Kode> I was lucky, the desktop sucked so bad when I started, I had no choice but to learn the cli first otherwise nothing worked
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[16:42:29] <SatManUK> lol
[16:42:40] <SatManUK> twm
[16:42:49] <SatManUK> or fvm :)
[16:42:55] <flyingparchment> 7 would be CDE or OpenWindows
[16:43:41] <SatManUK> my installation has reached 100% of copying but my hd is just spinning now i haven't a clue what it is doing
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[16:46:24] <C_Kode> Hmm.  OpenSolaris Bible looks promising.  Most of my Complete Reference books are great, but the OpenSolaris one gets hideous reviews
[16:46:43] <SatManUK> ok
[16:47:05] <SatManUK> what is it doing.. its copied everything from opensolaris cd to the pc
[16:47:15] <SatManUK> and now the its sitting their and spinning
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[16:57:18] <SatManUK> opensolaris installation didn't complete normally
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[17:06:53] <codestr0m> hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/tesla/pad-gate/                >> hg-clone.log
[17:07:08] <codestr0m> I can browse pad-gate's source, but hg clone fails.. anyone know what's up?
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[17:08:10] <codestr0m> nvm. has been putback
[17:10:05] <SatManUK> http://www.pastebin.ca/1374924
[17:10:31] <SatManUK> the results of my opensolaris installation log can somebody explain why its trying to install amd64 stuff when i have an intel 332bit processor?
[17:10:41] <SatManUK> *32bit
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[17:12:37] <SatManUK> gzip: kernel/amd64/genunix: I/O error this section makes no sense to me?
[17:12:46] <nachox> SatManUK, there is no separate 64/32 bit solaris, when you install solaris in an x86 computer. you will get a 32 bit os with unused 64 bit binaries in a 32 bit capable computer
[17:13:18] <SatManUK> ok nachox fair enough, but it seems to be getting errors from this point onwards?
[17:14:38] <nachox> SatManUK, you're getting that from the opensolaris cd?
[17:14:38] <SatManUK> line 106-125 have an error, which i am asked to pass to the developers in line 130
[17:14:42] <SatManUK> yes
[17:15:09] <CosmicDJ> SatManUK: IO Errors doesn't sound good, Stuart
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[17:15:27] <nachox> SatManUK, your cd might be faulty
[17:15:41] <SatManUK> i will burn a fresh image and see how it goes again..
[17:15:48] <CosmicDJ> yeah, did you verify the md5 sum?
[17:15:52] <SatManUK> yes
[17:15:55] <SatManUK> it passed
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[17:21:47] <CosmicDJ> you could also try a newer snapshot from genunix.org
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[17:29:23] <SatManUK> let me try burning the one i got - if it doesn't work i will bin it and red/l
[17:29:50] <alain10> is there a tool to convert WMV files to lets say avi files that runs on opensolaris ?
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[17:37:14] <Asad2005_> In linux pressing alt+ctr+F key switches to virtual consoles. What is the shortcut to do this in opensolaris
[17:38:04] <e^ipi> opening an xterm
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[17:39:39] <zaarg> you need to enable virtual cnsoles first
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[17:42:57] <Asad2005_> zaarg, How do i do that and is the same shortcut work
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[17:44:20] <nachox> Asad2005_, there is initial support for virtual consoles in opensolaris, however it does not support X yet
[17:45:21] <nachox> Asad2005_, in any case, i dont think virtual consoles are a really useful feature when you have screen or multiple gnome-terminals or xterms
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[17:45:51] <nachox> when X is supported, the same shortcuts will be used
[17:46:13] <Asad2005_> nachox, ok thanks
[17:46:26] <mrb1> alain10: you can use mencoder to convert wmv to avi (but I haven't tried that...)
[17:46:31] <e^ipi> hence  my suggestion. open an xterm
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[17:46:54] <alain10> mencoder, is it in the pkg source ?
[17:46:57] <Zikla> I stopped using virtual terminals after I found screen
[17:47:07] <nachox> Asad2005_, http://opensolaris.org/os/project/vconsole/
[17:47:08] <e^ipi> yeah, i never really saw the point
[17:47:29] <e^ipi> screen is superior in pretty much every way
[17:47:30] <mrb1> yes, part of mplayer.  i think part of blastwave.
[17:47:44] <zaarg> aye, screen is the way forward
[17:47:58] <zaarg> vts can be useful if you need serial consoles etc
[17:48:00] <alain10> ok is it graphical or cli app
[17:48:08] <Zikla> CLI
[17:48:18] <Zikla> Just type in "screen"
[17:48:20] <zaarg> it's a 'window manager for the console'
[17:48:40] <mrb1> cli.  here are instructions that work fine from linux http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/convert-.wmv-to-.avi-or-.mpg-265103/
[17:48:54] <Zikla> Oh, sorry, I had wrong context
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[17:49:18] <mrb1> gmplayer is graphical (but i think only for play back) that comes with mplayer
[17:49:40] <e^ipi> it's too bad there's no screen for X. suspending things like pidgin and picking up later would be awesome
[17:49:50] <alain10> thanks mrb1
[17:50:18] <Zikla> There's workspaces
[17:50:43] <e^ipi> i can't go to my laptop and ssh in to resume them
[17:51:02] <Zikla> This is true
[17:51:11] <Zikla> There's vnc then
[17:51:23] <e^ipi> i hate vnc with the fiery passion of a thousand suns
[17:51:36] <Zikla> Alright :P
[17:52:17] <monsted> using vnc to remote control consoles is just silly :)
[17:52:49] <Zikla> That's not what I thought e^ipi meant
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[17:52:56] <nachox> e^ipi, ssgd too?
[17:53:36] <e^ipi> yeah, there's that
[17:53:57] <e^ipi> Zikla: no, that's not what i meant. I like being able to suspend things on one machine and pick them up on another
[17:54:11] <e^ipi> screen does that for console apps, but nothing except SSGD does that for X stuff
[17:54:21] <e^ipi> and SSGD isn't free
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[17:55:59] <FireflyST> How do I turn the copy of Abuse I built into a package and get it into a repository?
[17:57:06] <CosmicDJ> FireflyST: http://i18n-freedom.blogspot.com/2009/01/submitting-packages-to-pending.html
[17:57:13] <e^ipi> make it in to a spec file and submit it to jucr.opensolaris.org
[17:57:32] <e^ipi> that blog entry is a wee bit out of date, because it was written when jucr didn't exist
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[17:58:33] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: time to write a new one :)
[17:59:09] <e^ipi> maybe
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[18:13:00] <SatManUK> 70& through the install of the freshly burnt cd
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[18:20:31] <dsch04> Evening all
[18:20:37] <dsch04> Have just upgraded to 110
[18:20:46] <tsoome> gz:P
[18:21:11] <dsch04> On restart, svcs -xv shows svc:/application/pkg/server:default as not running
[18:21:18] <dsch04> Reason: Restarting too quickly
[18:21:25] <dsch04> The log says:
[18:21:35] <dsch04> pkg.search_errors.InconsistentIndexException: Index corrupted, remove all files and rebuild from scratch by clearing out /var/pkg/repo/index  and restarting the depot.
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[18:21:46] <dsch04> Is it safe to do just that?
[18:21:59] <dsch04> i.e. blow away /var/pkg/repo/index ?
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[18:22:48] <Zikla> If not it probably wouldn't be recommending it
[18:23:04] <dsch04> Well, that's an optimistic viewpoint!
[18:23:21] <Zikla> Somebody who knew better thought it was a good idea to put that message there, that's all I'm saying :P
[18:23:42] <dsch04> Ok, I moved the old dir out of the way and svcadm cleared the service
[18:24:03] <dsch04> The new index dir appears to have completely different contents - looks like the changed the indexing method or something
[18:24:20] <dsch04> Yet again, my machine took a loooong time to boot
[18:24:28] <dsch04> Prob about 4-5 hours this time
[18:24:36] <dsch04> Wish I could find out what the problem is
[18:25:22] <dsch04> Hmmm
[18:25:32] <codestr0m> dsch04: turn off graphical boot
[18:25:36] <dsch04> In /var/adm/message, I see these two adjacent messages
[18:25:38] <FireflyST> wow, creating an IPS package is a lot of work
[18:25:40] <dsch04> codestr0m: done all that
[18:25:49] <dsch04> In /var/adm/message, I see these two adjacent messages
[18:25:50] <SatManUK> ok having installed with a fresh burn i still get the same errors i will use opensolaris 0906 instead of opensolros 0811
[18:25:51] <dsch04> Mar 28 13:31:10 hero genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] lx_systrace0 is /pseudo/lx_systrace@0
[18:25:52] <dsch04> Mar 28 17:13:37 hero genunix: [ID 454863 kern.info] dump on /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/dump size 2047 MB
[18:25:53] <FireflyST> I am going to work on this though
[18:26:15] <SatManUK> see if os0906 works better
[18:26:15] <dsch04> The first msg is the last one I see when the boot "hangs"
[18:26:33] <dsch04> Looks like it's a zfs issue
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[18:27:16] <dsch04> Hrm, maybe not
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[18:28:43] <dsch04> I wonder what's happening between:
[18:28:44] <dsch04> Mar 28 13:31:10 hero genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] lx_systrace0 is /pseudo/lx_systrace@0
[18:28:44] <dsch04> Mar 28 17:13:37 hero genunix: [ID 454863 kern.info] dump on /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/dump size 2047 MB
[18:28:49] <e^ipi> FireflyST: it's actually not bad
[18:28:59] <e^ipi> once you've written a couple spec files it comes like butter
[18:29:23] <e^ipi> and uploading to jucr is like uploading anything else
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[18:29:52] <FireflyST> okay so, is there a way to know where files are supposed to go for a distribution IPS package?
[18:30:01] <FireflyST> i.e. this currently installs in /usr/local
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[18:32:51] <e^ipi> put them wherever you like
[18:33:03] <e^ipi> /usr/local isn't likely to win you any friends though
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[18:33:09] <e^ipi> i'd just dump them in /usr directly
[18:33:19] <FireflyST> okay, so /usr/share
[18:33:28] <FireflyST> for the /us/rlocal/share stuff, etc
[18:33:29] <e^ipi> the share/ bits of it, sure
[18:33:38] <FireflyST> okay
[18:33:49] <e^ipi> usually autobreak stuff has a --prefix= option to configure
[18:33:59] <FireflyST> right
[18:35:07] <mlischke> hey there, I asked yesterday already but nobody was able to help, so here I'm again, maybe this time with more luck. What I need to know is: how can make a new service I added visible in Gnome's services panel?
[18:35:49] <mlischke> I compared my service xml to others that can be managed via GUI and adjusted mine accordingly, but to no avail
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[18:38:30] <oninoshiko> gnome has a services panel? I never knew that!
[18:38:54] <mlischke> System -> System Management -> Services
[18:39:00] <mlischke> a simple one, but still
[18:39:18] <mlischke> (I have a localized Gnome here so hopefully my translation is correct)
[18:39:25] <tsoome> if it cant find new services on its own, its probably not worth using anyhow....
[18:39:42] <mlischke> hehe, good point
[18:39:59] <jzmer> isnt /etc/init.d will do all the work here? do we really need a service panel?
[18:40:01] <mlischke> but this is the last building block for a How-To so I'd really like to make it complete
[18:40:06] <nachox> mlischke, does it show up in svcs -a ?
[18:40:24] <oninoshiko> jzmer: no. you should be using smf
[18:40:26] <e^ipi> jzmer: init.d is old
[18:40:33] <mlischke> nachox: sure, the management via svcs etc. works nicely
[18:40:40] <jzmer> oh, got it
[18:41:08] <mlischke> the service already works fine (e.g. is started on boot)
[18:41:19] <tsoome> i think i did look on it once and somehow i remember it was like linux only... but im not too sure
[18:41:50] <mlischke> I compared everything I could get with the mysql service as this is what I also installed and which works
[18:42:07] <mlischke> it even shows up with a localized description of the service (in my case german)
[18:42:22] <tsoome> can you really manage that mysql with that panel?
[18:42:23] <oninoshiko> mlischke: then I would think its a bug in the services panel. maybe it doesnt play well with smf?
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[18:42:39] <mlischke> tsoome: well, manage means on or off here :-)
[18:42:46] <tsoome> exactly
[18:42:58] <tsoome> but will it do that?
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[18:43:19] <mlischke> hmm...
[18:43:53] <mlischke> for those rather GUI addicted it would be an easy task to restart the service if needed, but otherwise, hmmm..
[18:44:35] <mlischke> I can live without that (and I *am* GUI addicted), but I really would like to complete that tutorial
[18:44:54] <e^ipi> mlischke: really? manage ought to include setting properties, because SMF does that
[18:45:07] <e^ipi> alright, LU done. reboot time
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[18:45:11] <FireflyST> If I took the source from Debian, do I just link to that file?
[18:45:18] <mlischke> e^ipi: you are right, and hence this is not the most important thing at all, but still
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[18:46:00] <mlischke> another route: can I see what script was run when the mysql server was installed via the package manager?
[18:46:12] <mlischke> maybe that would give me a hint which commands have been issued
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[18:48:25] <CosmicDJ> IIRC IPS doesn't support running script during install/deinstall
[18:48:29] <CosmicDJ> +s
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[18:49:36] <mlischke> hmm, then perhaps there is a config file that controls the pgk installation and also gives instructions to add the service?
[18:50:06] <tsoome> ook into ips pkg....
[18:50:27] <CosmicDJ> you can import new smf manifests using /lib/svc/method/manifest-import
[18:50:28] <tsoome> +l
[18:50:30] <koan> can I run Virtual Desktop Infrastructure 3 on OpenSolaris or do I really have to use Solaris 10/08 as the system requirements suggest?
[18:50:49] <CosmicDJ> IIRC the mysql service should be listened in svcs after that
[18:50:59] <mlischke> CosmicDJ: yes, as well as via svccfg import, used both and that worked fine
[18:51:52] <mlischke> the services *are* listed there, just mine not in the gnome service "manager"
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[18:53:44] <jamesd> koan, do you want to be supported... do you care that 30 employees are sitting picking there nose instead of doing work.. costing a minimum of $10/hr per employee..  that is $3000 an hour for downtime...
[18:54:29] <FireflyST> okay, so this program only requires SDL >= 1.1.6, where do I put that in the spec file?
[18:54:31] <koan> jamesd: :-) yes I know, but it would be only for testing purposes to evaluate the system
[18:54:51] <Stric> I would evaluate it in its natrual habitat
[18:55:58] <jamesd> you can test if it works... if it doesn't work your rest fails.. then start over and use solaris 10.. of course if your test works and everything is perfect, you still need to retest because it "may" not work the same on solaris 10.. and bites you in the ass in production
[18:56:40] <koan> point taken, thanks
[18:58:08] <jamesd> solaris people take production seriously... because we hate it when our boss looks at us and blames us for an outage..
[19:00:04] <FireflyST> Okay, I'm confused...is there a good guide for taking a GPL v2 program that builds on OS, and turning it into an IPS?
[19:00:18] <FireflyST> There's a lot of "what do I do with this" while I write this spec file.
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[19:06:33] <CosmicDJ> mlischke: sry, I've never used this gnome stuff
[19:06:59] <mlischke> CosmicDJ: np, will leave that out in the tutorial then
[19:07:08] <mlischke> a working installation is much more important anyway
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[19:09:29] <nachox> e^ipi, youre running b112 now? :)
[19:09:57] <CosmicDJ> mlischke: http://blogs.sun.com/natarajan/entry/setting_up_amp_stack_within hope you know this
[19:10:56] <e^ipi> nachox: 112 isn't available
[19:11:04] <e^ipi> it's not even closed yet i don't think
[19:11:17] <mlischke> CosmicDJ: thanks, yes these are steps I have taken for other packages
[19:11:54] <e^ipi> for some wierd reason though luactivate seems to not do that very thing
[19:12:01] <nachox> right, ON is b111
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[19:20:52] <FireflyST> so do IPS packages actually build during install?
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[19:25:07] <CosmicDJ> FireflyST: uhm... opensolaris is not gentoo
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[19:27:29] <FireflyST> I'm just reading the spec file
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[19:27:37] <FireflyST> there's a "Build" section
[19:27:57] <FireflyST> which seems to infer in the docs about using a 'make' command there
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[19:29:21] <e^ipi> a spec file is a build instruction
[19:29:37] <e^ipi> when the spec file is submitted, it is built
[19:29:56] <e^ipi> but when you install it, you only get the output of that build
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[19:30:22] <e^ipi> this is so that there is a source code audit trail for contrib/ and pending/
[19:30:29] <FireflyST> okay so the package is built in sourcejuicer?
[19:30:35] <e^ipi> correct
[19:30:39] <FireflyST> gotcha
[19:31:03] <FireflyST> this is the first time I've ever tried to contribute to an open source project, ever, so please forgive my ignorance
[19:32:01] <e^ipi> everyone starts somewher
[19:33:17] <FireflyST> ok, so code and spec file get submitted to SourceJuicer -> they get evaluated -> packaged in OS Main?
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[19:34:48] <dclarke> anyone know their way around crypto issues ?
[19:35:01] <ZOP> yanno now that i have ZFS in deployment in more places
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[19:35:17] <ZOP> i'm starting to see the occasional corrections/cksum errors due to bit rots
[19:35:17] <codestr0m> dclarke: what crypto issues?
[19:35:27] <ZOP> makes me wish i had ZFS everywhere.
[19:35:27] <tek-ops> hello all
[19:35:32] <dclarke> codestr0m: good day mate
[19:35:40] <tsoome> ZOP .oO
[19:35:41] <tek-ops> I"m having issues pulling packages from pkg.opensolaris.org/dev
[19:35:43] <dclarke> codestr0m: well, just a funny issue that makes no sense
[19:35:45] <tsoome> what hw?
[19:35:48] <tek-ops> how does pkg pull? http?
[19:35:52] <codestr0m> dclarke: lets continue in #bw
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[19:36:08] <dclarke> codestr0m: in /etc/security/policy.conf ..
[19:36:10] <dclarke> okay
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[19:36:31] <ZOP> tsoome: oh one is a 40TB array (~20TB usable, mirrored pairs) of SATA drives in JBODs (i think it's 80 drives...)
[19:36:41] <ZOP> it gets an error here and there
[19:36:46] <tsoome> mkay
[19:36:47] <ZOP> could be noise getting into the SATA cables
[19:36:51] <ZOP> could be the drives themselves
[19:37:02] <ZOP> LSI controllers in that one
[19:37:04] <tsoome> thats good to know
[19:37:35] <ZOP> the others are all much smaller
[19:37:56] <ZOP> but mostly sata drives seem to be the ones cropping up with the occasional rot, but i've got quite a few systems running ZFS now
[19:38:09] <ZOP> and they're all atleast 1.5TB usable size so....
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[19:38:39] <ZOP> chances of single bit errors become anywhere from "probably" to "likely" in that much storage.
[19:39:10] <ZOP> LSI and 3ware controllers
[19:39:15] <ZOP> (mostly LSI)
[19:39:23] <ZOP> though one has an areca
[19:39:24] <tek-ops> is there an issue with the "dev" repository?
[19:39:37] <ZOP> and i juuuust started a zpool scrub on that one.
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[19:42:33] <ZOP> definitely one of the things that helped sell ZFS in a couple installations "the data is correct, the system will verify the data is still correct, and let you know if what it has on the disk six months, or six years from now, appears to have differed in some unexpected way, IE through bit rot"
[19:42:48] <ZOP> that client understands bit rot quite well after a couple....interesting incidents.
[19:44:54] <tek-ops> so I have a machine that can view http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev in a browser
[19:45:00] <tek-ops> but is incapable of downloading packages
[19:45:05] <tek-ops> I presume its a firewall issue
[19:45:17] <tek-ops> has anyone seen this before?
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[19:47:18] <tek-ops> oh, do I have to allow ICMP?
[19:48:01] <flyingparchment> why would anyone disallow icmp?
[19:48:11] <flyingparchment> (never heard of pmtu discovery?)
[19:48:13] <tek-ops> well it's not
[19:48:19] <tek-ops> but I'm just not getting a response
[19:48:26] <tek-ops> from pkg.opensolaris.org
[19:48:41] <tek-ops> which, I presume, is why I can't pull packages down
[19:48:46] <tek-ops> I can ping google.com just fine
[19:48:59] <ZOP> could be path mtu
[19:49:06] <e^ipi> FireflyST: sorry, was away for a sec
[19:49:13] <ZOP> could also be ecn.
[19:49:26] <tek-ops> ZOP, to me?
[19:49:36] <ZOP> yeah sorry tek-ops.
[19:49:37] <e^ipi> FireflyST: yes, you make a spec file, submit it to jucr, and people will poke around at it. if everything's kosher it ends up in pending/
[19:49:54] <e^ipi> and there's some pending -> contrib process that i don't really understand but i'm pretty sure nobody else does either
[19:49:58] <ZOP> tek-ops: i was up till 7A and am just barely getting coffee in me
[19:50:01] <tek-ops> I'm at 1500
[19:50:10] <tek-ops> damn, which timezone?
[19:50:14] <flyingparchment> path mtu isn't the same as interface mtu
[19:50:23] <flyingparchment> it's the lowest mtu between you and the destination
[19:50:27] <tek-ops> right
[19:50:42] <tek-ops> I'll double check
[19:50:45] <ZOP> tek-ops: -0600 or -0700 depending on daylight stealing time
[19:50:49] <tek-ops> but I try to keep everything at 1500
[19:50:54] <ZOP> tek-ops: so... -0600 right now (Mountain)
[19:50:57] <tek-ops> ahh, i'm EST
[19:51:00] <flyingparchment> but you don't control every router on the internet...
[19:51:08] <tek-ops> that's true
[19:51:20] <tek-ops> I guess something might be blocking fragmentation
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[19:52:26] <tek-ops> how much do you think it needs to be dropped?
[19:52:46] <tek-ops> like I said, everything here is 1500 and the only issue I'm having is communication with pkg.opensolaris.org
[19:53:30] <tek-ops> on all systems on my network
[19:53:40] <tek-ops> i can load the page, but can't ping or pull packages
[19:56:15] <tek-ops> do you all have local repository mirrors?
[19:56:30] <tek-ops> or can someone confirm or deny  that I'm the only one with this problem
[19:57:53] <CosmicDJ> you're not using pppoe, right? ;)
[19:58:45] <tek-ops> correct
[19:58:53] <tek-ops> I think its my router
[20:04:34] <ZOP> seems fine from here.
[20:04:43] <ZOP> on consumer cable modem @ home
[20:04:45] <ZOP> so heh
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[20:09:18] <tek-ops> wait, I dont have to register, do I?
[20:11:33] <CosmicDJ> tek-ops: not, but showing us your authorities might shed some light into this
[20:13:03] <tek-ops> what do you mean by -t
[20:14:59] <cyberjames> Hi, opensolaris and solaris are the same?
[20:16:02] <CosmicDJ> s/not/no/
[20:17:13] <tek-ops> http://pastebin.ca/1375046
[20:17:17] <tek-ops> it should be fine
[20:17:25] <tek-ops> but I think it is router/firewall related
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[20:19:52] <tek-ops> ok, I made a firewall change that seems to be working
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[20:22:29] <tek-ops> ahh, and the other problem was half the systems have an e1000 that's unstable in 2008.11
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[20:43:08] <SatManUK> i have finshing installing opensolaris 0906 but when i boot its just staying at  the opensolaris splash screen
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[20:44:29] <zaarg> pwned.
[20:44:36] <ry_laptop> lol
[20:45:23] <CosmicDJ> SatManUK: try booting w/o the splashscreen
[20:45:35] <ry_laptop> does that work now?
[20:45:37] <nachox> SatManUK, you want to disable happy face, in grub, remove the console part of the $kernel line, remove the background and foreground lines too
[20:45:39] <SatManUK> what option do i enter?
[20:45:56] <SatManUK> wait a sec
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[20:46:02] <CosmicDJ> SatManUK: IIRC you can select that in the grub menu
[20:47:24] <ry_laptop> when I tried that with an older build a month ago it ignored 'text'
[20:47:29] <SatManUK> abci port 0 is trying to do error recovery
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[20:49:39] <ry_laptop> wow, I wonder why ps is trying to stat every /dev/dsk/ entry
[20:49:54] <ry_laptop> I have over a thousand
[20:49:57] <ry_laptop> so it takes a while
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[20:57:13] <SatManUK> i managed to log in to a console
[20:57:31] <SatManUK> how to check for errors
[20:57:59] <SatManUK> database initialisation failure
[20:58:48] <SatManUK> i am root at 5.11
[20:59:05] <Kvsh-> you guys have any idea when 2009.06 will come out (as a "release")? i seem to have come across an old post showing it earlier. is there a documented roadmap?
[21:00:05] <ry_laptop> it will come out in 06 :)
[21:00:30] <CosmicDJ> ... in 2009 ;)
[21:00:52] <nachox> Kvsh-, the 2009.06 means something :)
[21:01:18] <nachox> SatManUK, svc -xv
[21:01:19] <ry_laptop> exactly
[21:01:25] <nachox> *svcs -xv
[21:03:10] <nachox> is there any of the ips guys around?
[21:03:12] <Kvsh-> ah ok... well sorry for stating the obvious. didn't 2008.11 actually come out in december? :) thought someone said something about 2009.04 too.. i guess that got pushed out and now will actually be 06 :)
[21:04:31] <nachox> it was never 2009.04, it was always 06
[21:04:31] <ry_laptop> so regardless of what people say the date may slip.
[21:04:42] <ry_laptop> but the date is the target date
[21:05:11] <Kvsh-> nachox: actually http://wikis.sun.com/display/g11n/Projects+for+OpenSolaris+2009.04 ... a while back
[21:05:31] <nachox> i stand corrected
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[21:08:28] <Kvsh-> at what point will it be "feature freeze"? any idea
[21:08:59] <nachox> i think around now
[21:09:01] <Kvsh-> .. i am just trying to plan out when is a good time to roll out this server with OS
[21:09:24] <CosmicDJ> and it has to be 2009.06 for this server?
[21:09:31] <SatManUK> could not bind to repository server
[21:09:50] <SatManUK> how to get wifi up from console?
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[21:10:05] <Kvsh-> naw, just want a little bit stability thats all... once i roll out, i don't want to be upgrading like every 2 weeks. maybe once a quarter so don't want to miss anything big.
[21:10:18] <Kvsh-> SatManUK: dladm
[21:11:10] <nachox> Kvsh-, you want solaris 10 for servers
[21:11:32] <Kvsh-> no, i want OS :)
[21:11:37] <ry_laptop> strange
[21:11:45] <ry_laptop> so opensolaris ships with postgress sql server.
[21:12:14] <ry_laptop> but ont mysql
[21:12:43] <SatManUK> Kvsh-: what options for dladm
[21:12:58] <SatManUK> there are too many on screen to see?
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[21:13:12] <nachox> ry_laptop, it does have mysql
[21:13:16] <nachox> mysql5
[21:13:22] <Kvsh-> SatManUK: look for the ones that say "wifi"... show-wifi, scan-wifi etc...
[21:13:29] <nachox> i should know i uninstalled it yesterday
[21:13:43] <Kvsh-> ry_laptop: there is ofcourse that whole Web Stack..which has mysql
[21:13:53] <Kvsh-> but can't remember now if it was installed by default or not.
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[21:14:12] <SatManUK> ok i typed dladm show-wifi
[21:14:26] <SatManUK> and dladm scan-wifi and nothing happened either time
[21:14:35] <ry_laptop> nachox : *nod* what package is it under?
[21:14:47] <ry_laptop> I just did a pkginfo didn't see it.
[21:14:52] <ry_laptop> I did a full install including owm
[21:14:53] <ry_laptop> oem
[21:15:00] <Kvsh-> ok, gotta run now... bbl.
[21:15:05] <Kvsh-> SatManUK: works for me.
[21:15:12] <nachox> ry_laptop, i installed it from pkg
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[21:15:24] <ry_laptop> yeah, that's my point :)
[21:15:33] <ry_laptop> I assumed it would ship by default instead of postgresql
[21:15:37] <ry_laptop> but I guess that's a recent development
[21:16:07] <ry_laptop> I may as well use postgresql it's for zabbix. and I'd rather keep this image stock, even though I'm using a zone. I'd rather have upgrades go as smoothly as possiblie.
[21:16:26] <SatManUK> dladm connect-wifi -e <essid> is this correct
[21:17:20] <nachox> SatManUK, nwam should take care of that for you in opensolaris
[21:17:47] <SatManUK> nwam command not found?
[21:17:53] <SatManUK> i have stuck in the recovery console
[21:17:58] <SatManUK> nothing seems to work..
[21:17:59] <ry_laptop> Huh, createuser automatically allows a user to create a database. fucking sweet.
[21:18:08] <ry_laptop> solaris makes everything easy
[21:18:30] <ry_laptop> disabled       Mar_23   svc:/application/database/mysql:version_50
[21:18:31] <ry_laptop> interesting...
[21:18:45] <nachox> SatManUK, what did svcs -xv return?
[21:18:51] <ry_laptop> online         16:20:34 svc:/application/database/mysql:version_50
[21:19:22] <SatManUK> could not bind to repository server: repository server unavailable: Exiting
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[21:20:46] <ry_laptop> nachox mysql  9476   829   0 16:20:34 ?           0:00 /usr/mysql/5.0/bin/mysqld --user=mysql --datadir=/var/mysql/5.0/data --pid-file
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[21:20:49] <ry_laptop> yup, there it be.
[21:20:57] <nachox> SatManUK,  ps -ef | grep svc.configd
[21:20:59] <ry_laptop> now I just need to tell createuser to use that instead of postgresql
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[21:21:22] <nachox> ry_laptop, i much rather pgsql though :P
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[21:21:36] <ry_laptop> pgsql?
[21:21:39] <ry_laptop> postgresql?
[21:21:47] <ry_laptop> any particular reason?
[21:22:25] <SatManUK> root 70 10 0 20:24:24 console 0:00 grep svc.configd
[21:22:58] <SatManUK> i guess that 20:24:24 is the time but not sure about the rest
[21:24:51] <ry_laptop> nachox : I'm waiting on you :) if you have a reason. that makes me go the easier route. I'm all ears!
[21:24:52] <ry_laptop> :)
[21:25:14] <SatManUK> nachox is a good man i think :)
[21:25:24] <SatManUK> what do i need to do next?
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[21:25:33] <ry_laptop> uh oh, I think he's taking a dump
[21:26:12] <SatManUK> lol
[21:26:28] <SatManUK> ry_laptop: any clues from you as to why opensolaris won't boot after install?
[21:26:43] <SatManUK> is it because its on a 10gb partition on partition 2?
[21:26:47] <ry_laptop> after initial install?
[21:26:51] <SatManUK> yeah
[21:26:57] <SatManUK> 0811 refused to install at all
[21:27:08] <SatManUK> 0906 at least got me to a console..
[21:27:09] <ry_laptop> dunno. I only install 1 os per hard disk
[21:27:18] <nachox> ry_laptop, a friend of mine and i use it for some applications and has always worked wonderfully
[21:27:18] <SatManUK> i have three on it
[21:27:19] <SatManUK> 2 work
[21:27:22] <ry_laptop> back in the day I had multiple OSes. but I'm over it.
[21:27:45] <SatManUK> im just learning so i don't have enough power in the laptop for vm
[21:27:51] <nachox> SatManUK, that is bad... there should be a svc.configd  running...
[21:27:57] <ry_laptop> ruh roh
[21:27:57] <ry_laptop> PostgreSQL vs MySQL
[21:27:57] <ry_laptop> Regarding the choice between PostgreSQL and MySQL, MySQL is recommended for several reasons:
[21:27:57] <ry_laptop> MySQL is faster
[21:28:15] <ry_laptop> this is old though
[21:28:16] <ry_laptop> recent benchmarks using ZABBIX clearly show that PostgreSQL (7.1.x) is at least 10 times slower than MySQL (3.23.29)
[21:28:20] <SatManUK> nachox should i reboot and try again?
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[21:28:53] <nachox> please
[21:28:55] <p112> OpenSolaris knows my ATI grafic card.
[21:29:04] <p112> i want to setup Solaris
[21:29:17] <p112> that does not knows my ATI
[21:29:20] <SatManUK> abci port 0 has task file failure
[21:29:30] <SatManUK> abci part 0 is trying to do error recovery
[21:29:45] <p112> can  i extract ati driver from OpenSolaris?
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[21:30:30] <monsted> ry_laptop: it's easy to make a fast DBMS if you don't care if the content is lost :)
[21:31:25] <SatManUK> i think it seriously doesn't like my laptop
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[21:31:51] <SatManUK> what would cause  part 0 to fail?
[21:32:08] <nachox> ry_laptop, i think opensolaris has 8.2 or 8.3
[21:32:47] <ry_laptop> wow, mysql that bad monsted?
[21:32:59] <ry_laptop> nachox  ;yeah, that was old I pasted...
[21:33:40] <ZOP> ry_laptop: postgresql 7.1 is *ANCIENT*
[21:33:46] <ry_laptop> Yup
[21:34:03] <ZOP> ry_laptop: os is mysql 3.23, and benchmark using those ancient versions isn't really applicable.
[21:34:07] <ZOP> s/os/so/
[21:34:12] <ry_laptop> I can't even see if ntp is running, why is ps polling every /dev/ device...
[21:34:31] <ry_laptop> Okay, so going postgresql is the wya to go since all the tools on solaris seem tobe built around it.
[21:34:41] <ZOP> and mysql is faster for certain workloads even today
[21:34:46] <ZOP> but once your queries get complicated
[21:34:47] <nachox> i didnt say that
[21:34:55] <ZOP> postgresql kicks the ever loving dog crap out of mysql.
[21:35:05] <ry_laptop> yeah, but if it's pretty close. that's good enough for me.
[21:35:13] <ry_laptop> I'm all about optimizing AFTER I get the stuff working :)
[21:35:19] <ry_laptop> becuase usually, optimizing isn't worth the time.
[21:35:29] <nachox> i just like pgsql, mysql has even a vpanel for it
[21:35:33] <ZOP> if you're doing complicated joins, triggers, etc, postgresql 8.3 is the way to go
[21:35:40] <SatManUK> the opensolaris cd worked fine, when i installed 0906 snapshot it said it installed everything fine
[21:35:47] <ry_laptop> *nod* I'm just doing zabbix. which has it's own scripts to create tables.
[21:35:47] <SatManUK> but when i try to boot nothing seems to happen
[21:36:07] <ry_laptop> nice
[21:36:08] <ry_laptop> bash-3.2# svcadm enable postgresql
[21:36:08] <ry_laptop> svcadm: Pattern 'postgresql' matches multiple instances:
[21:36:08] <ry_laptop>         svc:/application/database/postgresql:version_82_64bit
[21:36:10] <ry_laptop>         svc:/application/database/postgresql:version_82
[21:36:12] <ry_laptop>         svc:/application/database/postgresql:version_81
[21:36:28] <nachox> SatManUK, your guess is as good as mine, i dont know what it means
[21:36:52] <ry_laptop> createuser: could not connect to database postgres: FATAL:  role "root" does not exist
[21:36:59] <ry_laptop> Bah, before it complained about not finding postgresql :)
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[21:37:07] <SatManUK> nachox it says that i should abandon opensolaris perhaps and try another distro maybe belenix or something?
[21:37:30] <SatManUK> or are they all using the same live installer?
[21:37:35] <nachox> SatManUK, i would try SXCE if i were you
[21:38:30] <nachox> ry_laptop, it helps if you set it up properly :P
[21:38:37] <ry_laptop> yeah I was hoping it was automagic :)
[21:39:31] <tomww> the automagic freedom to let the user decide everything :-)
[21:39:35] <ry_laptop> hehheh
[21:39:39] <nachox> hehe
[21:40:07] <SatManUK> nachox do i take the dvd or cd version?
[21:40:28] <ry_laptop> PostgreSQL is already installed in Solaris Express, and it's set up as a service, but it is disabled by default. Once you have this set up, then PostgreSQL will always be up and running, even after reboots.
[21:40:30] <ry_laptop> goodl is your friend
[21:40:34] <nachox> SatManUK, the dvd, you need all the cds anyway
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[21:41:08] <nachox> ry_laptop, and pgadmin is a cool tool :)
[21:42:34] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[21:42:49] <ry_laptop> I can't wait until I'm done with this so I can play somequake live
[21:43:16] <ry_laptop> gf is out and about, want to take advantage of the peace and quiet.
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[21:53:23] <SatManUK> nachox: i am download dvd a now but its sooo slow..
[21:53:36] <SatManUK> i will leave it downloading both dvd's over night
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[22:05:58] <[lewellyn]> hm. alanc's been idle :P i suppose he's enjoying his weekend ;)
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[22:13:49] <codestr0m> I wonder if instead of all the hg gates.. mercurial queues could be used...
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[22:17:25] <teknoprep> hi all
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[22:20:06] <[lewellyn]> dude. is the hcl search broken right now?
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[22:21:05] <svcadm> the one here: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/search.jsp seems to work for me
[22:21:12] <[lewellyn]> svcadm: which browser?
[22:21:30] <svcadm> firefox 3.1b2
[22:21:36] <[lewellyn]> hm.
[22:21:40] * [lewellyn] tries gecko
[22:21:55] <[lewellyn]> i tried trident and 2 webkits
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[22:22:06] <[lewellyn]> well, webkit and khtml
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[22:22:20] <svcadm> aren't they the same? *snicker*
[22:22:26] <[lewellyn]> no :(
[22:23:05] <[lewellyn]> wow. ok. so the hcl search only works in gecko. good to know
[22:23:27] <[lewellyn]> too bad it doesn't give me what i'm trying to find out :P
[22:23:33] <svcadm> hehehe
[22:23:52] <[lewellyn]> time to dig in the source
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[22:25:42] <[lewellyn]> isn't there a web interface to the kernel sources that doesn't require a login? i thought i found one before
[22:25:50] <bda> src.opensolaris.org?
[22:25:53] <e^ipi> src.op...
[22:25:56] <e^ipi> what bda  said
[22:25:57] <[lewellyn]> thanks :)
[22:26:24] <bda> Also accessible by going to opensolaris.org and clicking "source browser" on the top right. :)
[22:26:40] <[lewellyn]> i clicked Code Repositories on the left. seemed sane :P
[22:26:55] <[lewellyn]> now to figure out where what i'm looking for is
[22:31:20] <[lewellyn]> bah. i give up. i don't understand what's where and i'm not even looking for myself, anyhow :P
[22:35:01] <C_Kode> Anyone run OpenSolaris on Dell PowerEdge 1950III without issues?
[22:35:33] <[lewellyn]> check the hcl ;)
[22:35:54] <bda> Or use the device detection tool on the LiveCD.
[22:36:20] <[lewellyn]> though i couldn't search it with ie, safari,or konq
[22:36:48] <bda> What?
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[22:37:03] <bda> Using Safari4. Works fine.
[22:37:32] <[lewellyn]> bda: using safari 3 here'
[22:37:34] <bda> Ditto Firefix3.
[22:37:36] <bda> fox
[22:37:55] <[lewellyn]> as i said earlier, gecko (ff3) worked
[22:38:05] <bda> Weird.
[22:38:17] <C_Kode> Where do I find the hcl
[22:38:17] <[lewellyn]> very
[22:38:27] <[lewellyn]> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/search.jsp
[22:38:44] <C_Kode> Thanks
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[22:50:48] <ry_laptop> Hmm.
[22:50:57] <ry_laptop> Is the default config for mysql on opensolaris to allow access to everyone?
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[22:55:00] <bda> ry_laptop: That's the default for a MySQL install, iirc.
[22:55:39] <bda> Look at the mysql.user table.
[22:56:10] <bda> If there are no passwords and Host is %.. heh.
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[23:03:50] <SatManUK> [lewellyn]: fyi i thought you might be interested to know that although the installation of 0906 seemed to go through ok, the result after boot was little better than 0811 now i am downloading sxce
[23:04:08] <ry_laptop> my whole fucking desk is in a sunbeam...
[23:04:13] <ry_laptop> gotta get some @#$%ing curtains
[23:04:23] <SatManUK> im gonna bed..
[23:04:32] <SatManUK> 22:02 and its 1 hour less sleep!
[23:04:43] <SatManUK> and 3) I wanna get up for the auzzie gp at 7am
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[23:07:15] <piwi> hi all. is there another mirror for the 110 isos (apart from genunix)? genunix is very slow (approx 10kb/s) and the torrent has no seeders for the x86-ai iso.
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[23:18:37] <svcadm> ry_laptop: there's a script that will clean out all the test and global access stuff
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[23:39:09] <ry_laptop> svcadm : *nod* now you tell me heh did that manually
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[23:44:21] <saboteur> my machine has gone from freezing at startup to rebooting at startup when i went from the nov 08 release to the 110 dev build :P
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[23:53:18] <lubed_guy> shit i forgot my root password
[23:53:21] <lubed_guy> after installing
[23:53:25] <lubed_guy> any way to get it?
[23:53:36] <lubed_guy> I can log in as suer lol
[23:53:38] <lubed_guy> user
[23:58:42] <piwi> lubed_guy: pfexec passwd root

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