March 27, 2009 
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March 27, 2009 [00:00:08] <trichobezoar> rephrase the answer[00:00:15] <CosmicDJ> I don't understand your q[00:01:16] * trichobezoar wonders when wpa_supplicant will be available for wired and wireless connections[00:01:27] <oenone_> how do i find out the MAC of my wifi card?[00:02:09] <Stric> ifconfig -a as root[00:02:31] <oenone_> ah..[00:03:29] *** alka_ has quit IRC[00:04:09] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[00:05:21] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[00:06:27] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[00:07:43] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[00:09:21] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[00:10:25] <nachox> the proposed solaris simlinks smell like tap devices dont they?[00:14:07] *** derchris has quit IRC[00:14:13] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[00:17:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta[00:19:03] <oenone_> okay, the intel wifi card works out of the box..[00:19:45] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[00:22:16] <sickness> I'm back.[00:23:07] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[00:25:31] *** servo-- has joined #opensolaris[00:26:13] *** kate21de1 has joined #opensolaris[00:26:14] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[00:26:39] *** javatexan has quit IRC[00:27:15] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC[00:28:06] <asyd> \_o<[00:28:14] *** capaz has quit IRC[00:28:32] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:29:06] <xRaich[o]2x> asyd: i still have to figure out what that is....[00:29:12] <asyd> a duck[00:29:25] <xRaich[o]2x> could be the upper half of a ninja[00:29:29] *** revlo_ has quit IRC[00:29:48] <asyd> however, you need a terminal with a fixed font size I guess[00:30:40] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: i seem to recall you were the one interested in package renaming?[00:31:09] <e^ipi> ( de-clarifying package origins, etc )[00:31:50] <e^ipi> making them more sane looking[00:31:57] <asyd> ah, let me retry.. ;p[00:32:17] <asyd> xchat on sunos 5.11![00:32:49] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: not really[00:33:13] <xRaich[o]2x> there is nothing insane about SUNW*[00:33:23] <e^ipi> hmm thought it was you[00:33:33] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[00:33:53] <xRaich[o]2x> nope ,)[00:33:57] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[00:35:08] *** servo- has quit IRC[00:35:37] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[00:38:03] <CosmicDJ> well, SUNW should be changed to JAVA ;)[00:38:37] <asyd> JavOS 5.12.01[00:39:18] <xRaich[o]2x> No. JavOS 1.5.12.01[00:41:22] <trichobezoar> SUN = Stanford Univerity Network. What's W?[00:41:34] *** stewart has quit IRC[00:41:50] <DesiJat> workstation[00:43:06] <asyd> c/s 13[00:43:08] <asyd> oups[00:43:08] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[00:43:42] *** kate21de has quit IRC[00:46:30] *** lip_skip_vt has joined #opensolaris[00:46:33] <lip_skip_vt> hi[00:50:41] *** ericjray has quit IRC[00:52:34] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[00:52:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[00:55:48] *** mikefut has quit IRC[00:56:02] *** communicator has quit IRC[00:58:42] <CIA-33> Sumanth Naropanth <Sumanth.Naropanth at Sun dot COM>: 6776875 setting EDITOR/VISUAL value with an argument (ed -s, vi -v), will fail on crontab -e[00:58:43] <CIA-33> Ethindra Ramamurthy <Ethindra.Ramamurthy at Sun dot COM>: 6797335 Intel microcode 2008-09-10 update[01:00:15] <trichobezoar> oooo microcode[01:03:16] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[01:06:26] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[01:08:02] *** cwebber has quit IRC[01:09:39] *** jteo has quit IRC[01:09:51] <FireflyST> hey, how does one install all packages from a repository with pkg?[01:10:05] <FireflyST> can that be done via the command line?[01:11:07] *** clyons_ has joined #opensolaris[01:11:26] <nachox> i think i would script something like that, but i dont know why i'd want to do it[01:11:41] *** piwi has quit IRC[01:11:58] <DesiJat> pkg install * ?[01:11:59] *** clyons has quit IRC[01:12:11] <e^ipi> there will also eventually exist exclusive packages[01:12:19] <e^ipi> so such a thing is, and should remain, impossible[01:12:19] <DesiJat> heh, nope *[01:12:36] <e^ipi> mirroring a repo, however, is coming[01:13:37] *** kate21de1 has quit IRC[01:13:40] *** ikarius has quit IRC[01:13:57] * nachox hopes for a faster ips, as fast as apt if possible[01:14:13] <FireflyST> well, a particular repository is giving me trouble[01:14:53] <FireflyST> I'm trying to install everything, because literaly need all in that repo, but the GUI client is just hanging[01:14:58] <FireflyST> installing via pkg is fine[01:15:05] <FireflyST> I don't want to do 50 packages 1 by 1[01:15:11] *** j0nas_ has joined #opensolaris[01:15:34] *** magnon has quit IRC[01:15:46] *** alfism has quit IRC[01:16:09] <jamesd_> has anyone gotton iscsi working between two sxce boxes?[01:16:09] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[01:18:30] <FireflyST> has anyone seen behavior where package manager evalueates a bunch of packages, then shows the last one 5 times and hangs?[01:19:15] <jamesd_> i would truss -f it and see where its hanging[01:20:20] <jamesd_> FireflyST: of course if you snapshot between big changes.. it could be a good time for a rollback[01:21:04] <FireflyST> it only happens with this repository[01:21:34] *** JoergB has quit IRC[01:23:03] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[01:25:43] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[01:27:01] *** BlueZeniX_ has joined #opensolaris[01:28:30] <frankS2> whats DDMMYY-HHMMSS in strftime()?[01:28:42] <frankS2> anyone[01:29:46] *** j0nas has quit IRC[01:29:52] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris[01:30:46] *** bubbva has quit IRC[01:31:04] *** jub has quit IRC[01:31:16] *** jub has joined #opensolaris[01:31:29] <ottom> frankS2: %d%m%y-%H%M%S[01:32:04] <frankS2> oh nice[01:32:06] <frankS2> thank you mate[01:32:11] <frankS2> just found man strftime[01:32:13] <frankS2> :)[01:32:25] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[01:33:05] <ottom> 'date' takes the same formatting rules, so it's easy to experiment: 'date +%d%m%y-%H%M%S'[01:33:42] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[01:33:54] <frankS2> aha[01:35:26] *** Skinkie has joined #opensolaris[01:36:11] <sponix> jamesd_: you there ?[01:36:21] <jamesd_> yes[01:37:13] <sponix> jamesd_: I just switched Net services recently, everything else seems to be working except that site[01:37:56] <Skinkie> hi all; for a 3ware raid card i want to enable multi-lun support, now the trivial question is basically, how do i identify which scsitarget the card is itself?[01:39:14] <Skinkie> pcie48 raid/hp connected configured ok; that is how far i came using cfgadm[01:39:25] <jamesd_> i don't think 3ware is supported in solaris last i heard it wasn't[01:39:41] <Skinkie> lets say it is supported now :)[01:40:01] <Skinkie> but in general how do you find out what scsi devices matches up with a target?[01:40:32] <Skinkie> http://docs.sun.com/source/819-1274-13/appd_solaris.html#66564 <- i have to do that procedure, but i have no clue about the target[01:41:57] <jamesd_> devfsadm -v should find all your drives that are attached[01:42:15] *** kohju has quit IRC[01:42:20] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris[01:42:29] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[01:42:33] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[01:42:44] <Skinkie> jamesd that result is empty[01:44:43] <jamesd_> that populates your drives.. formwat reports the actual drives found[01:44:49] <jamesd_> er format[01:46:08] <Skinkie> format still sees only the 2 'on board' disks[01:46:28] <nachox> jamesd_, you were able to use iscsi in the end?[01:47:39] <jamesd_> nachox: i can see the target on the fileserver, and have had it working with XP, but sxce for an initiator doesn't work..[01:48:11] <jamesd_> blade1000 iscsi: [ID 575025 kern.warning] WARNING: iscsi connection(93) login failed - Initiator is not allowed access to the given target.[01:48:48] <nachox> oh[01:48:55] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[01:49:26] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[01:49:48] <jamesd_> nachox: i have tried it with and without acl's on the target, using static discovery, i can see the target but get that message and no connection.[01:50:18] <nachox> doesnt iscsi use some form of chap by default?[01:50:26] <nachox> regardless of the acl i mean[01:50:34] <jamesd_> isns doesn't work for me.. though isns server see's both the initiator and target, but may be my config[01:50:56] <jamesd_> i disabled chap... windows doesn't use it.. unless you force it[01:58:33] <CIA-33> Anders Persson <Anders.Persson at Sun dot COM>: 6818549 socksctp: recursive mutex_enter, lp=cbec2e7c owner=cb56b100 thread=cb56b100[01:59:26] *** yarihm has quit IRC[02:04:07] <nachox> jamesd, you're using the regular stack or comstar?[02:06:43] *** dunc has quit IRC[02:09:40] *** mib_fbvaw9sk has quit IRC[02:09:45] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[02:12:51] *** balbirs has quit IRC[02:13:48] *** myosound has quit IRC[02:16:56] <jamesd_> nachox: regular stack.. b94 that is on the target doesn't have comstar[02:18:16] <jamesd_> nachox: i also just configured chap.. and it still gives me the same message...[02:18:22] <jamesd_> its frustrating...[02:18:39] <jamesd_> it was so damm easy with windows last time[02:20:34] * xRaich[o]2x hopes for ips110....[02:21:24] *** d3xter has quit IRC[02:21:44] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[02:22:12] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[02:31:54] <comay> xRaich[o]2x we should be pushing it later tonight[02:31:58] *** throatwarbler1 has joined #opensolaris[02:32:18] <xRaich[o]2x> comay: awesome :) thanks[02:34:08] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[02:35:13] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris[02:35:32] <davismj> good evening[02:35:48] <davismj> i cannot install 2008.11 or 2009.06 (109) on vbox ose[02:35:56] <nachox> ah, new sys-suspend and lots of wireless fixes[02:35:58] *** d3xter has joined #opensolaris[02:36:13] <davismj> it boots through the language selector, i'm assuming its booting x, and black screen[02:36:21] <davismj> am i doing something wrong?[02:37:06] <Skinkie> jamesd i got it to work :) it was a combination of the 3ware util in 'single' configuration per disk and the sd.conf[02:37:16] <Skinkie> 30T available :)[02:39:44] *** ladyfantasy has joined #opensolaris[02:42:35] *** throatwarbler1 has left #opensolaris[02:44:45] *** strato_ has joined #opensolaris[02:44:56] <strato_> good evening[02:45:03] <nachox> oh, it also has PAD[02:45:10] <strato_> dose somebody know some screen cast softwarte for[02:45:15] <strato_> OpenSolaris[02:45:40] <nachox> Skinkie, how big are the disks?[02:48:23] <Skinkie> 1T[02:49:52] *** lewellyn^ has joined #opensolaris[02:50:20] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris[02:50:41] *** jkup has quit IRC[02:51:44] <lewellyn^> quick question: if i want to mount a pool at a specific point, it's zpool import -d /a rpool, right?[02:52:07] *** strato_ has quit IRC[02:52:15] *** _law_ has joined #opensolaris[02:52:49] *** DerSaidi1 is now known as DerSaidin[02:53:18] <nachox> lewellyn, no[02:54:14] <lewellyn^> figured it wasn't right :)[02:54:15] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[02:54:37] <_law_> hi guys yesterday i just got the free cd delivered , then i try it n i found it's similar with linux. hmm can u guys tell me wat is the differenr between linux n opensolaris? the fact is i haven't ever try opensolaris b4[02:54:44] <lewellyn^> no man pages on the sxce installer environment tho[02:54:59] <nachox> lewellyn, let me check the pool properties[02:55:12] <xRaich[o]2x> _law_: dtrace, zfs, smf, zones[02:55:14] <xRaich[o]2x> and a lot more[02:55:17] <lewellyn^> and irc is easier to use from my phone than ie :P[02:55:22] <dclarke> _law_ : one is UNIX and the other is Linux. Very very different kernels and thus very different in terms of capibilities[02:55:47] <_law_> hmm[02:56:01] <dclarke> of course, OpenSolaris is not really a UNIX(tm) system until it can pass the OpenGroup specs on that but it is damn near exactly the same thing[02:56:12] *** Garen has quit IRC[02:56:16] <xRaich[o]2x> solaris actually has a full fledged documentation. i fail to find one for linux[02:56:44] <nachox> lewellyn, i think it's zpool import pool -o altroot=/a[02:56:46] <_law_> can i install the opensolaris in vmware?[02:57:00] <dclarke> look into POSIX threads and into the ability to do funky cool things like nanosec accurate hi-res timings or even read int othe CPU performance tracking internal registers[02:57:01] <lewellyn^> dclarke, well the solaris based in it should pass :P[02:57:05] <dclarke> amoung other cools things[02:57:52] <dclarke> what processor are you running with ?[02:58:12] <dclarke> if it is an AMD Opteron then it will be screaming fast no matter what you read in various tech rags[02:58:16] <lewellyn^> nachox: close. thanks :)[02:58:23] <nachox> close?[02:58:30] <_law_> ?[02:58:30] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno about vmware. should work. just be sure to give it enough ram[02:58:31] <CIA-33> Konstantin Ananyev <Konstantin.Ananyev at Sun dot COM>: 6821945 SUNWgrubu is a usr-type package with only root components[02:58:53] <lewellyn^> pool name is last[02:58:58] <nachox> ohh :)[02:59:23] <lewellyn^> now to figure out "failed to create mountpoint"...[03:01:39] <lewellyn^> i miss manpages :([03:02:47] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[03:03:02] <nachox> lewellyn, you have internet...[03:03:45] <xRaich[o]2x> lewellyn^: docs.sun.com has all manpages online[03:04:20] <lewellyn^> xraich: pocket ie hates docs.sun.com[03:04:41] <nachox> download the pdfs[03:04:56] <_law_> hmm now i'm trying to install opensolaris in vmware, wat is its lates version?[03:05:10] <dclarke> anyone here know their way around the V880 class servers ? Really well ?[03:05:13] <xRaich[o]2x> 2008.11[03:05:19] <lewellyn^> oh nice! zfs import froze the machine![03:05:46] <lewellyn^> nachox: i have 4mb free space in My Documents atm :([03:06:15] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[03:06:26] <_law_> then wate hen i wannna create new virtual machine wat guest operating system should i choose? should i choose sun solaris?[03:06:31] *** BlueZeniX_ has quit IRC[03:06:40] <lewellyn^> i wish i checked memory provided before i bought this phone[03:06:43] <_law_> then when i wannna create new virtual machine wat guest operating system should i choose? should i choose sun solaris?[03:07:21] <xRaich[o]2x> lewellyn^: :P[03:07:29] <lewellyn^> ok. time to reboot :([03:07:39] <_law_> ?[03:08:43] <lewellyn^> booting into x off the sxce disc is slow :([03:08:59] *** wbkang has quit IRC[03:10:10] <lewellyn^> does zfs scrub modify the disc? google isn't helping me[03:10:40] <jbk> it can if it detects a problem[03:10:49] <nachox> if it finds problems, it fixes them[03:11:14] <lewellyn^> i know it has problems. i want it to report them, not repair them :([03:11:25] <davismj> so[03:11:29] <davismj> boot up virtualbox ose[03:11:38] <davismj> load up 2008.11 and 2009.06-109[03:11:42] <davismj> neither one will boot xd[03:11:44] <davismj> x*[03:11:46] <davismj> whats the deal?[03:11:57] <davismj> from the live cd images[03:12:13] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[03:12:49] <lewellyn^> davis: don't feel too bad. i can't boot 2008.11 on a real machine. ans it runs s10 and sxce fine[03:12:59] <nachox> lewellyn, zpool will tell you what disk had problems, and whether it has to be replaced, i'm sure fmadm will tell you too[03:13:06] <lewellyn^> with the "official" sun disc[03:13:30] <lewellyn^> nachox, zpool says it is fine. i know it is not[03:13:47] <nachox> how so?[03:14:08] <lewellyn^> because it won't boot?[03:14:50] <lewellyn^> it hangs the machine when i import it on an altroot?[03:15:02] *** davismj has quit IRC[03:16:17] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[03:17:29] <lewellyn^> zdb is not fun :([03:18:17] <nachox> lewellyn, then fmadm faulty?[03:19:21] <lewellyn^> afaict, no fmadm on the sxce install dvd[03:19:41] <lewellyn^> it's a pretty minimal environment[03:20:24] <nachox> you care about the data in the disk?[03:20:25] *** Odin- has quit IRC[03:20:30] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[03:20:32] <oninoshiko> lewellyn^ you have had more trouble with that pool[03:20:35] <lewellyn^> a few files[03:21:03] <lewellyn^> oninoshiko, i'm reinstalling on ufs root when i recover these files :P[03:22:09] <nachox> lewellyn, Hiren boot disk, check the drive with one of the many tools it has[03:22:26] <lewellyn^> nachox, the disk is fine[03:22:34] <lewellyn^> i borked the partition[03:23:14] <lewellyn^> apparently zfs doesn't like moving on the same disk :P[03:23:26] *** wbkang has quit IRC[03:24:51] <lewellyn^> need sugar. store time[03:25:25] <oninoshiko> the worst thing ive had happen is the occational "cannot mount, not empty" after an upgrade[03:26:06] <lewellyn^> oninoshiko, dont physically move you pool on the disk :P[03:26:38] <oninoshiko> my pool takes up the whole disk, it's not something i'm inclined to do[03:28:04] <lewellyn^> my pool was in a bad spot, wasting space[03:31:08] <nachox> how is that possible?[03:34:03] <lewellyn^> nachox: there was slack space around the partition for some reason[03:34:37] <lewellyn^> so i moved it up 20 gugs, with intent to extend it later[03:34:43] <lewellyn^> gigs[03:35:04] <lewellyn^> walking and typing isn't working[03:37:30] *** comay changes topic to "OpenSolaris Annual Meeting is on #opensolaris-meeting | SXCE 110, ON 111, IPS 110 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/"[03:39:00] <nachox> lewellyn, and you couldnt create a new partition and add it to the pool?[03:40:01] *** prav33n has quit IRC[03:40:11] *** lewellyn^ has quit IRC[03:40:46] *** rv- has quit IRC[03:41:08] *** lewellyn^ has joined #opensolaris[03:41:38] <lewellyn^> stupid power management[03:42:15] <nachox> thanks comay :D[03:42:15] <lewellyn^> "the battery is low, this app's eating the most. we shall kill it."[03:42:29] <nachox> that is in solaris?[03:42:45] <lewellyn^> windows mobile[03:43:09] <ladyfantasy> somehow, i wouldn't think solaris would do something like that :)[03:43:13] <xRaich[o]2x> sounds like a fantastic idea :P[03:43:14] <Skinkie> 'oops you killed my pacemaker'[03:43:18] <lewellyn^> this irc client sucks battery[03:43:25] <comay> np nachox[03:43:29] <nachox> ladyfantasy, fantastic for servers[03:43:35] <ladyfantasy> yeah[03:44:13] <nachox> now i wonder how long till my update manager starts screaming[03:44:16] <lewellyn^> ladyfantasy, didn't realize you were in here[03:44:23] * ladyfantasy gets around[03:44:32] <ladyfantasy> i'm in more channels than i can follow[03:44:36] <lewellyn^> not nice to talk to the unvoiced ;)[03:44:50] <ladyfantasy> oh :( forgot about that[03:45:01] <lewellyn^> heh. i'm trying to stay in less than 30 3hese days[03:45:32] <ladyfantasy> i'm only 8 and i still don't pay enough attention to keep up[03:45:45] <ladyfantasy> only *in* 8[03:46:10] <lewellyn^> none gets my undivided attention and some are purely for lurking[03:46:28] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[03:46:50] <ladyfantasy> so... you were looking for me last night?[03:47:01] <ladyfantasy> i just kind of wandered off to bed at one point[03:48:49] <lewellyn^> yeah lemme give up on this for the night and reboot into windows and attach my screen[03:49:01] <ladyfantasy> *nod*[03:52:15] <e^ipi> nachox: was it you bitching about package naming a while back ( SUNWfoobar etc ? )[03:52:45] <nachox> no[03:52:53] <nachox> i dont really care about package names[03:52:59] *** bunny3 has joined #opensolaris[03:53:03] <e^ipi> humm...[03:53:10] <bunny3> Good Morning.[03:53:13] <e^ipi> there was someone that was really adamant about it[03:53:17] <e^ipi> not sure who it was[03:53:48] <nachox> i was bitching at how slow ips is though :P[03:54:32] <oninoshiko> i dont think it was me, although I do prefer that the package tell me from whom it is from[03:54:44] <wbkang> Good Evening[03:55:26] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[03:56:54] * bunny3 is having install misery with 2008.11 and usb dvd drive -.-[03:58:26] <bunny3> installs fine. turn off the dvd or unplug it and it wont boot.[03:58:26] <lewellyn^> nice. i just got core from zdb... :([03:58:30] <CIA-33> Xiao-Yu Zhang <Xiao-Yu.Zhang at Sun dot COM>: 6818681 ahci: disable MSI interrupt for nVidia MCP78s [GeForce 8200] chipset[03:58:31] <bunny3> omeme![03:58:46] <lewellyn^> i give up for the night[03:59:03] <bunny3> its lunchtime here ^^;[03:59:18] <lewellyn^> 2000 :)[03:59:32] <nachox> lewellyn, that's what you get when you play with experimental stuff like zfs ;)[03:59:35] <bunny3> so, er .. west coast us?[04:00:07] <lewellyn^> bunny, yup[04:00:26] <oninoshiko> nachox: zfs is not experemental. It is included in S10. additionally indiana is a supported product.[04:00:27] <lewellyn^> nachox, this is why i'm reinstalling on ufs ;)[04:01:05] <lewellyn^> of course, scrubbing it may fix it but i see no way to dry-run first[04:01:10] <bunny3> you must have been mean to it[04:02:24] *** GG123 has joined #opensolaris[04:02:33] *** [JT] has left #opensolaris[04:02:39] <lewellyn^> very[04:02:42] <GG123> hi[04:02:46] <nachox> oninoshiko, i'm joking[04:02:59] <nachox> lewellyn, plan for LU then[04:03:00] <lewellyn^> it treated it like ufs ;)[04:03:22] <lewellyn^> nachox, i already do[04:03:46] <GG123> are you guys good at using opensolaris?[04:04:00] <GG123> iv got a problem can any1 help me[04:04:10] <GG123> pleease[04:04:15] <oninoshiko> nachox: ahh. THAT'S what the "wooshing" noise is.[04:04:32] <wbkang> gg123: what is it? i'm not an expert but i'll try[04:04:34] <oninoshiko> GG123: none of us can help you.[04:04:35] <lewellyn^> gg, you've provided insufficient data ;)[04:05:26] <GG123> im having trouble connecting to the internet from my wireless usb adapter[04:05:34] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[04:05:35] <jtmuzix> if IBM buys SUN, I think it would be stupid if they shut down Open Solaris[04:05:40] <GG123> its netgear wg111v2[04:05:42] <nachox> lewellyn, i never plan for LU, i just pry patches wont break everything, small disks are a bitch[04:06:12] <oninoshiko> jtmuzix: it's a bit hard to shut down an opensource project.[04:06:13] <GG123> iv tried hard to do it and keep faining[04:06:15] <GG123> =([04:06:28] <jtmuzix> yeah, but still.. Open Solaris wouldn't be teh same if that happened[04:06:31] <jtmuzix> IBM pulled the plug[04:06:32] <nachox> jtmuzix, why? if they judge it doesnt make business sense, it's ok to stop funding it, they have to answer to their shareholders[04:06:34] <wbkang> I dont think they would close up opensolaris.. more likely they will dump linux?[04:07:01] <jtmuzix> dump AIX[04:07:01] <jtmuzix> port solaris for power[04:07:07] <jtmuzix> polaris reincarnated[04:07:08] <oninoshiko> and (dispite what RMS says) we are under a libre-software license[04:07:27] <bunny3> AIX is nice though. they had jfs years ago...[04:07:32] <wbkang> well ibm's been funding lunix side for a while, putting aix aside[04:07:36] <jbk> actually RMS has said the CDDL is a free license[04:07:40] <jbk> just 'peculiar'[04:07:46] <oninoshiko> actually RMS just bitches, while acnowladgeing it's free[04:07:56] <wbkang> i dont givea shit what RMS says[04:07:59] <jbk> wbkang: no, when you actually have $$$ then they push you to aix[04:08:06] <wbkang> hmm[04:08:18] <nachox> they are not putting AIX aside, they charge extra for the good stuff and basically nothing for the crap that is linux[04:08:25] <jbk> linux is still seen as something for the low end, but if you want to give them money for it, they'll take it[04:08:28] <bunny3> nothing wrong with that.[04:08:28] <wbkang> gg123: umm does it detect your network card? just basic questions[04:08:59] <nachox> jbk, sun does the same :P if you want it, they sell it...[04:09:04] <wbkang> yea[04:09:30] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris[04:09:31] *** sahX has quit IRC[04:09:33] <jtmuzix> IBM would have a nice line up if they kept SPARC and PPC. but I don't see that as being feasible. the x86-64 market is gobbling up sparc and PPC in more and more fields..... and this economy doesnt help the exotic architectures[04:09:48] <jbk> yeah, just don't think that ibm supports linux for any reason other than it brings in a buck, and htey'd ditch it in an instant if that changed[04:09:53] <GG123> in the device driver utility yes[04:10:08] <jtmuzix> i work in financial services, and all of our sparc machines are going bye bye and being replaced by Dell AMD 8 cores running ESX and RHEL[04:10:28] <jbk> when they actually opensource some of their stuff instead of throwing a few meager bones, then i'll believe they're actually embracing open source[04:10:30] <GG123> yes it does[04:10:32] <freetown> help! I have a OpenSolaris svn99 box that does a dump on boot and reboots after a power failure...i can get into maintenance mode...where do I go from here?[04:10:34] <GG123> its urtw[04:10:36] <wbkang> gg123: how does it exactly not work? like, can you ping your router? what does ifconfig says[04:10:43] <wbkang> say*[04:11:09] <wbkang> jtmuzix: yea i've seen that in my last intern place, too[04:11:18] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[04:11:23] <jbk> yeah i saw that where i worked too[04:11:29] <wbkang> LOL[04:11:32] <nachox> freetown, UFS? did you fsck the disk?[04:11:36] <jbk> except it ended up costing them a lot more than it ever could have saved[04:11:55] <freetown> nachox, zfs all the way. Indy 2008.11 box[04:12:45] <nachox> linux administrators are just cheaper i think...[04:13:21] <jbk> it's not that, it's all the headaches getting linux to 'work'[04:13:29] <GG123> flgs=201004803<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,DHCP,IPv4,CoS> mtu 1500 index 3 inet 0.0.0.0 netmask ff000000[04:13:30] <jbk> and then if you try to do stuff like autotrading[04:13:35] <nachox> freetown, svcs -xv[04:13:40] <jbk> uugh talk about a disaster[04:13:55] <oninoshiko> "linux is free if your time has no value:[04:13:56] <jbk> if the reuters market data came in too fast, the performance dropped off a cliff[04:13:57] <freetown> nachox, zip output[04:14:06] <wbkang> oninoshiko: hahaha i read that in linux haters blog[04:14:08] <jbk> except someone this was our problem[04:14:18] <wbkang> gg123: are you using nwam ?[04:14:19] <nachox> jbk, you dont have to convince me to use solaris, i already push it as hard as i can everywhere i go :P[04:14:31] <nachox> freetown, ? use pastebin[04:14:31] *** gaveen has quit IRC[04:14:37] <freetown> nachox, i can only boot into maintenance mode...if i try normal...it starts a dump and reboots[04:14:40] *** bunny3 has quit IRC[04:14:45] <freetown> nachox, nothing from svcs -xv[04:14:53] <jbk> god what a nightmare that was[04:14:55] <GG123> i think so[04:14:57] <oninoshiko> wbkang: it is true. there are many factors that are part of total cost of ownership[04:15:05] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[04:15:21] <GG123> yes[04:15:25] <wbkang> gg123: is it a wireless card by any chance? i'm really not sure how your card works[04:15:46] <nachox> freetown, has it always done that? or it worked, something broke and it started doing that?[04:15:48] <freetown> nachox, i am running a scrub for what that is worth on a non-boot tank[04:15:52] <wbkang> oninoshiko: yep.. other than that, things breaking every few moonths is really unacceptable in corporate environment impo[04:15:53] <GG123> yes its a usb wireless card[04:15:54] <wbkang> imo*[04:16:03] <freetown> nachox, i just lost power and then it started doing this[04:16:12] <wbkang> gg123: i'm sorry :( i never used a wireless card on opensolaris..[04:16:20] <GG123> netgear wg111v2 it says its attched and the driver for it is installed urtw[04:16:24] <oninoshiko> you have to asses the value of personel time, and look at any cost differences. you have to asses risks of (things like) data loss, and take the associated costs into consideration[04:16:30] <freetown> nachox, i have a rpool and another zpool called bradzfs[04:16:45] <wbkang> Amen.[04:16:51] <freetown> nachox, in maintenance mode, bradzfs zfs sets are not mounted...[04:16:57] <GG123> =([04:16:58] <GG123> noooo[04:17:02] <GG123> =([04:17:02] <nachox> what happens if you mount it?[04:17:18] *** userlame has joined #opensolaris[04:17:27] <GG123> help me pleaase[04:17:29] <wbkang> gg123: did you get your wireless card to connect to the network at all?[04:17:29] <GG123> pleaase[04:17:36] <GG123> nope[04:17:52] <freetown> nachox, er...it might start another dump :-P...after all, that is what normal bootup does...maybe i should wait for the scrub to finish?[04:18:06] <oninoshiko> jtmuzix: are they planning on going wiith ESX or ESXi? (or 3.5i, however vmware has settled on it)[04:18:06] <wbkang> ummmmm i think you need someone else than me, who never used wireless stuff with OS :([04:18:32] <GG123> =([04:18:35] <freetown> phew...that 12x hour scrub has come down to 5h pretty quickly...[04:18:50] <GG123> can an1 help mee[04:18:50] <oninoshiko> GG123: ive only used the compactpci card in my TP[04:18:56] <jtmuzix> esxi is cool, but companies generally buy the esx datacenter server edition for full vmotion support, HA support.. etc etc.. all the enterprise stuff[04:19:03] <freetown> nachox, would you recommend i wait for the scrub results or try mounting?[04:19:11] <nachox> yes[04:19:17] <jtmuzix> it's def cool technology and I think that SOlaris running on top of ESX is a awesome combination[04:19:23] <freetown> yes = wait or mount?[04:19:23] <GG123> nachox can u help me?[04:19:25] <oninoshiko> jtmuzix: ESXi is compatabllible with that. it's just a smaller footprint[04:19:40] <jtmuzix> yeah, I run esxi at home for testing[04:20:05] <nachox> freetown, you could also actually see why it dumps, using a debugger and the kernel dump....[04:20:13] <oninoshiko> jtmuzix: I am planning on setting up a cluseter at work, but i have to clear out some of my projects first[04:20:24] <wbkang> Is this problem known? I have my screen shot here: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~wbkang/garbled.png[04:20:24] <wbkang> all the images on the left top of screen in gedit, are completely garbled. it's on another machine..[04:20:24] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[04:21:01] <wbkang> i just did ssh -X into that machine..[04:21:23] <freetown> nachox, well the dump was dumped somewhere...[04:22:37] *** piwi has quit IRC[04:22:41] <GG123> need help[04:23:02] <GG123> im begging yous[04:23:07] <GG123> :([04:23:19] <nachox> freetown, /var/crash/$(hostname)[04:23:42] <freetown> :-o[04:23:44] <freetown> empty[04:24:23] *** JT__ has quit IRC[04:24:27] <nachox> GG123, did you run the device driver utility?[04:24:52] <nachox> that should tell you if your wireless adapter is at least supported[04:25:03] <wbkang> nachox: He did, and it's supported, apparently.[04:25:26] <GG123> yes[04:25:42] <GG123> i ran the device driver utlity[04:25:57] <nachox> ok, which driver does it use?[04:26:18] <GG123> urtw[04:26:27] <nachox> does it show in dladm show-wifi[04:26:42] <lewellyn> dude. i hate launching screen in the wrong terminal :([04:27:06] *** _law_ has quit IRC[04:27:21] <nachox> hehe[04:27:44] <lewellyn> screen does not deal with a wyse60 $TERM at all well[04:27:57] <nachox> crap, 400mb between b109 and b110[04:28:10] <lewellyn> anyhow, gonna watch a movie and then maybe fight with my pool again[04:28:24] <lewellyn> back later. :)[04:28:33] <nachox> lewellyn, give up already :P[04:28:42] <lewellyn> nachox: no :)[04:29:04] <GG123> cannot get link attributes for urtw0: invlid argument[04:29:06] <lewellyn> by the end of this, i'll know just how zdb and mdb work in case i need them on a "real" system :)[04:29:33] <nachox> GG123, ? can you paste the output in pastebin?[04:29:38] *** syamajala has quit IRC[04:29:46] <GG123> wahts that[04:29:54] <GG123> pastebin?[04:30:07] <nachox> http://pastebin.com/[04:30:12] <GG123> ooh[04:30:40] <GG123> well im using a laptop to chat here the pc is next to me so i cant[04:30:53] <GG123> this laptop is shitty windowze[04:31:00] <GG123> but i can type wat i ee[04:31:04] <GG123> *see[04:31:15] <lewellyn> into a pastebin :)[04:31:19] <GG123> ooh[04:31:19] <lewellyn> but don't typo :P[04:31:21] <GG123> ohk[04:31:25] <GG123> ooh[04:31:27] <GG123> how?[04:31:30] <GG123> i cant[04:32:07] <GG123> the pc next to me is opensolaris nd it has no internet[04:32:26] <GG123> im trying to get the wireless usb adapter to work on it[04:32:48] <lewellyn> so type into the pastebin, without typos, what you would otherwise copy and paste :)[04:32:55] <GG123> ohk[04:33:01] <GG123> wats typos?[04:33:05] <lewellyn> it takes longer to do, it seems. but you'll be up and running faster[04:33:06] <jamesd_> probably wise to keep a intel nic around just for these occauisions..[04:33:10] <lewellyn> mistakes in typing[04:33:15] <GG123> ohk[04:33:24] <freetown> nachox, hmm...a scrub won't necessarily do anything like a fsck eh?[04:33:26] <lewellyn> jamesd_: my rge runs well nuff :D[04:34:16] <jamesd_> lewellyn: yeap my amd fileserver has a rge as well... my dual intel gigabit nic is in my blade1000 and i have another intel gigabit nic lying around somewhere[04:34:23] <nachox> freetown, what do you mean? it will check all the data against it's checksum and act fix it if possible[04:34:32] <oninoshiko> freetown: A scrub will look at all data, varify checksums. in the event a checksum is wrong and your pool is redundent, it will repair it[04:35:00] <nachox> GG123, how did you install that driver? it came with opensolaris or you manually copied it?[04:35:39] <freetown> nachox, ah, okay. I will wait for the scrub to finish then. First time I have ever seen the pool doing 100M+ reads :D[04:36:06] <nachox> freetown, what did you expect? it has to read all the data...[04:36:11] <oninoshiko> freetown: you sould be able to contenue working while your scrub is running[04:36:23] <GG123> i did it![04:36:25] <GG123> =)[04:36:34] <lewellyn> congrats :D[04:36:44] <nachox> ?[04:36:53] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC[04:36:57] <GG123> i installed it from a gunzip file[04:37:10] <lewellyn> oh i thought you got it working :P[04:37:13] <GG123> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/urtw/[04:37:13] <nachox> and you're using opensolaris 2008.11?[04:37:27] <nachox> please run uname -a[04:37:34] <GG123> i think im using the latest[04:37:45] <GG123> becuae i downloadd it a month ago and burned it on cd[04:37:53] <freetown> oninoshiko, well the thing does a dump and a reboot if it attempts to mount the pool i am scrubbing...[04:37:58] <nachox> 1 month is a lot of time :P[04:38:17] <freetown> oninoshiko, at least that is what happens on normal boot[04:39:15] <GG123> SunOS MyPC 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc[04:39:38] <nachox> GG123, mine says SunOS saturn 5.11 snv_109 i86pc i386 i86pc[04:40:00] <nachox> that means, your opensolaris is based on nevada build 101b and mine in 109[04:40:05] <GG123> ohk[04:40:08] <GG123> ooh[04:40:16] <GG123> should i update it?[04:40:21] <freetown> nachox, any gotchas doing any upgrades from 99 onwards to 109 besides 103/4?[04:40:27] <nachox> you need at least 105[04:40:31] <GG123> ok[04:40:33] <GG123> wait[04:40:35] <GG123> ill go and it[04:40:53] <GG123> the internet woks n it when i attached the ethernet cable[04:40:59] <GG123> ill do it and il come back asap[04:41:04] <GG123> pleae wait for me[04:41:07] <GG123> ill b quick[04:41:13] <GG123> i promise[04:41:15] <GG123> brb[04:41:17] <lewellyn> freetown: 107-109 is another gotcha ;)[04:41:19] <nachox> GG123, http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0906-110-x86.iso[04:41:38] <GG123> wats dat?[04:41:44] <jamesd_> good night all...[04:41:51] <nachox> freetown, 107-109 in sxce had problems with the installer iirc[04:42:16] <nachox> GG123, the link to download the latest opensolaris, its a preview of opensolaris 2009.06[04:42:22] <GG123> nachox cant i just update[04:42:41] <freetown> okay, i think i will sit tight for the moment then[04:43:13] <nachox> GG123, if you can connect to the internet using the laptop's ethernet card, you can upgrade[04:43:31] <GG123> ok[04:43:45] <nachox> it will take a while though[04:43:48] <GG123> just from update manager?[04:43:58] <nachox> no, there is a safer way[04:44:04] <GG123> what is it?[04:44:55] <wbkang> Does osol b110 still have firefox 3.1 beta 2 ?[04:45:38] <GG123> wat do i doo[04:46:13] <GG123> updte all from update manager[04:47:03] <nachox> GG123, http://sites.google.com/site/solarium/how-to-update-opensolaris[04:47:15] <GG123> oki doki[04:48:24] <nachox> GG123, READ IT, and i mean it, it's important to understand what you're reading[04:48:41] <cwebber> has anyone tried to compile isc dhcp-4.1.0 on opensolaris 2008.11 with sun studio express[04:48:53] <wbkang> nachox: hey that's a good read. thanks[04:49:29] <lewellyn> cwebber: not i. i use dnsmasq :)[04:49:53] <lewellyn> cwebber: you're following their solaris build instructions, right?[04:50:21] <cwebber> lewellyn: /me didnt RTFM... let me go do that[04:50:30] <lewellyn> you need to rtfm to build on solaris[04:50:42] * wbkang /me[04:50:48] <lewellyn> at least last time i built on solaris, you still had to[04:51:55] <freetown> if a scrub is running and the pool is not mounted but it has writes going to it...i assume that means some repair is being done?[04:51:55] <nachox> lewellyn, :)[04:52:31] <nachox> freetown, check zpool status[04:52:45] <nachox> freetown, and pools are not mounted, filesystems are[04:53:09] <lewellyn> nachox: i rtfm, as a rule. that's why my questions are harder to answer than some peoples', often :)[04:53:22] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[04:53:22] <nachox> :)[04:54:22] <freetown> nachox, :-D okay, filesystems on the pool are not mounted[04:54:31] <nachox> lewellyn, not to mention noone thought of "moving" a zpool like you did :)[04:56:12] <freetown> nachox, if a mount attempt brings about a dump and a reboot...where do i go from there?[04:56:17] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[04:56:55] *** Skinkie has left #opensolaris[04:57:16] <nachox> sleep, it's 1 am :)[04:58:13] <freetown> nachox, :)[04:58:31] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[04:58:40] <CIA-33> rui wang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Vincent.Wang at Sun dot COM>: 6789845 Solaris wont boot with hp bluetooth pc card mouse charging in pcmcia slot, 6768509 Array overrun in pcmcia[04:58:42] <CIA-33> Paul Guo <Paul.Guo at Sun dot COM>: 6708293 igb needs to support LSO[05:00:53] *** j0nas__ has joined #opensolaris[05:02:03] <nachox> anyone using wpi ?[05:02:29] <nachox> can you show me the output of dladm show-wifi when connected to an ap?[05:03:04] <oninoshiko> there is a wpi network at the office i can in my morning, if you like.[05:03:21] <lewellyn> nachox: it's a not-uncommon act for pc filesystems when you have multiple partitions on a disk ;)[05:03:31] <oninoshiko> normally i dont bother with my lappy at the office though[05:03:35] <nachox> wpi as in intel 3945abg oninoshiko[05:03:36] <lewellyn> ufs handles it fine. zfs may, but i'm afraid to scrub :P[05:03:43] <nachox> coward...[05:03:49] <oninoshiko> oh, i was thinking wpa[05:03:58] <lewellyn> nachox: i only have ath, also[05:04:15] <oninoshiko> my card, as it happens *IS* one of the intel ones though[05:04:25] <nachox> lewellyn, good enough, i'm interested in the speed field[05:05:04] <oninoshiko> but I think my laptop bag is at the office still. I can check it out and get back to you in the morning[05:06:01] <nachox> i need to remove postgress :P[05:06:22] *** j0nas_ has quit IRC[05:06:32] <nachox> my speed line shows 9mb which is slow i think[05:06:45] <lewellyn> nachox: i'd look if i could get 2008.11 to boot for me. the cd-rom drive makes a grinding sound while trying to load grub's stage2[05:07:06] <nachox> it also explains why the connection in my lan is that slow[05:07:12] <lewellyn> that is slow[05:07:30] <lewellyn> i can tell you that my speed never drops below 24mb[05:07:38] <lewellyn> usually 48 or 54 when i check[05:07:57] <nachox> crap[05:08:13] <lewellyn> i may download that iso you posted in a moment and burn it though. ;)[05:08:22] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[05:08:40] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[05:08:56] <nachox> now it's 24[05:09:07] <lewellyn> that's how wifi works. it autoadapts :)[05:10:34] *** freetown has quit IRC[05:10:55] <nachox> nacho@saturn:/var/crash/saturn# dladm show-linkprop wpi0 -p speed[05:10:56] <nachox> LINK PROPERTY PERM VALUE DEFAULT POSSIBLE[05:10:56] <nachox> wpi0 speed rw 18 18 1,2,5.5,6,9,11,12,18,24,36,48,54[05:12:06] <lewellyn> that looks fine to me[05:15:04] <nachox> i think i'll leave this updating and go to sleep, i have to be up in 5 hours...[05:15:36] <GG123> do i need need to do something or else my system wont reboot[05:15:42] <GG123> i dont get it[05:16:03] <GG123> wat build do i have?[05:16:21] <nachox> 101b[05:16:45] <GG123> ok[05:16:56] <GG123> is that the original 2008 .05[05:17:04] <nachox> no[05:17:11] <GG123> ohk[05:17:11] <nachox> it's 2008.11[05:17:13] <wbkang> 0811[05:17:20] <GG123> so i odnt need to worry about that stuff[05:17:32] <nachox> nope[05:17:35] <GG123> kool[05:17:36] <GG123> =D[05:17:42] <nachox> well, i'm off to sleep. night guys[05:18:01] <GG123> =([05:18:04] <GG123> goodnight[05:18:08] <GG123> u were gona help[05:18:09] <GG123> no[05:18:11] <GG123> =([05:18:15] <GG123> goodnight anywayz[05:18:34] <nachox> you're almost done...[05:19:01] <nachox> just upgrade and watch it boot and ask you for the your ssid and password[05:19:35] *** nachox has quit IRC[05:21:03] <lewellyn> guess i won't burn this cdr and reboot for nachox :P[05:21:54] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris[05:23:31] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[05:23:59] <GG123> im bck[05:24:06] <wbkang> lol[05:24:08] <GG123> wats the latest version of opensolaris again?[05:24:30] <wbkang> b110 ?[05:24:40] <wbkang> 200811 is the last stable release[05:24:57] <GG123> so iv got it[05:24:59] <freetown> say...any gotchas updating to b110?[05:25:08] <GG123> then why did nacho say that i didnt[05:25:22] <freetown> GG123, you need b105 for the driver you want[05:25:28] <GG123> ohk[05:25:36] <GG123> wat do i do im so confused[05:25:36] <wbkang> last time i checked, it has firefox 3.1 beta 2 or something like that so some websites are broken, namely hotmail , etc[05:25:38] <xy|ox> is 2008.11 what is/was called project indiana?[05:25:43] <freetown> or in other words, the latest stable release did not have any driver for your usb wifi thingy[05:25:56] <freetown> Indy has many builds.[05:26:08] <freetown> 2008.05, 2008.11 are all Indy[05:26:17] * freetown puts on asbestos suit[05:26:25] *** cwebber has quit IRC[05:26:28] * freetown waits for e^ipi[05:27:07] <oninoshiko> xy|ox: that entire series is indiana[05:27:41] <GG123> snv_101b thats wat i have and nachox had snv_109[05:27:49] <GG123> how do i update[05:28:30] <freetown> alert! GG123 just asked a dangerous question![05:29:07] <freetown> GG123, start here i guess: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/ggfwk.html[05:29:16] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[05:29:21] <freetown> or here: http://www.google.com.hk/search?q=opensolaris+image-update[05:29:57] <GG123> ok[05:36:37] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[05:43:27] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:43:52] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[05:45:57] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[05:47:38] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:51:25] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[05:53:06] <lblume> Hi all[05:54:54] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[05:56:56] <lewellyn> hi[05:56:57] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:57:03] <lblume> Id like to modify the Compose key in a VNC session, put it on Alt_R. I've toyed with xmodmap to changed Multi_key, but no good result.[05:58:08] <lblume> Any working sample I could use?[05:58:26] <CIA-33> changqing li - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Changqing.Li at Sun dot COM>: 6812227 e1000g(intel 82571 adapter) must support MTU size of 9216[05:58:43] <lewellyn> 1238130033.150425543[05:58:58] <lewellyn> sorry, lblume. no idea. never tried it, though i keep meaning to :P[05:59:31] <lblume> Thanks for your precise data :-P[05:59:52] <lblume> I'm getting weird results actually, I'm wondering if the X server inside VNC supports that properly.[06:02:16] *** djinni`` has quit IRC[06:02:28] *** djinni has joined #opensolaris[06:04:19] <GG123> how the hell do u updte[06:04:26] <GG123> i did uname -a[06:04:31] <GG123> and its still the same[06:05:45] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[06:05:58] *** sartek has quit IRC[06:06:06] <Zikla> Did you reboot?[06:06:14] <GG123> yes[06:06:20] <GG123> i did pkg image update[06:06:31] <GG123> and then i rebooted[06:06:35] <Zikla> Is the development repository the preferred repo?[06:07:05] <e^ipi> only if you're willing to accept a certain level of risk inherent in running the latest untested bits[06:07:33] <Zikla> I don't think I ever got any updates in the default repo :/[06:07:38] <e^ipi> or rather, only if you need something that's in the latest bits[06:07:49] <e^ipi> if you don't need it, i'd suggest against it[06:07:54] <e^ipi> new stuff = new bugs[06:08:08] <GG123> how do u update from snv10b[06:08:10] <Zikla> He's asking how to do it, not whether he should[06:08:53] <DerSaidin> when you did the image update did it say what version the update was?[06:08:54] <e^ipi> I misunderstood what you meant by 'preferred' actually[06:08:58] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[06:08:59] <e^ipi> :P[06:09:03] <DerSaidin> when you rebooted did you boot to the new BE?[06:09:08] <GG123> does anyone know how to update[06:09:14] <GG123> no[06:09:22] <Zikla> Ah heh[06:09:29] <GG123> should i reboot again[06:09:35] <GG123> shit[06:09:41] <GG123> =([06:09:42] <Zikla> pkg authority | grep dev[06:09:45] <GG123> brb[06:09:51] <Zikla> Does that give you anything?[06:11:38] *** lblume has quit IRC[06:11:42] *** wbkang has quit IRC[06:13:50] *** tough has quit IRC[06:14:35] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[06:14:52] <tough> hi[06:15:12] <Zikla> Hello[06:15:15] <tough> i have doubt on below scripting can anyone assist me[06:15:17] <tough> tail -f logfile | while read line; do [[ $line = *OutOfMemory* ]] && { echo "outofmemory" | mailx maild ; }; done[06:15:35] <tough> if i use i am getting syntax error[06:16:00] <tough> i am not sure about bracess[06:17:09] <GG123> where can i download the lates release of opensolaris[06:17:11] <Zikla> I don't get one[06:17:21] <Zikla> I'm using zsh though[06:17:21] <GG123> 105+[06:17:28] <Zikla> Use pkg[06:17:32] <GG123> no[06:17:38] <Zikla> What does "pkg authority | grep dev" give you?[06:17:46] <GG123> i used it it downst work i cant be bothered im bothered enough god dam[06:17:52] <GG123> its still 101b![06:18:01] <Zikla> Okay, and I'm trying to help you :/[06:18:04] <GG123> i chose the dam new be[06:18:18] *** comay has quit IRC[06:18:20] <Zikla> Okay, what's "pkg authority | grep dev"?[06:18:27] <Zikla> Does that give you any output?[06:19:51] <jmcp> for those who are interested in a Kernel-focused conference, we've now got the official KCA website up and running @ http://au.sun.com/sunnews/events/2009/kernel/index.jsp[06:20:42] <DerSaidin> Oh cool, in my city :D I should go to that[06:21:04] <jmcp> DerSaidin: you're in Brisbane too?[06:21:11] <Zikla> GG123, are you there?[06:21:30] <jmcp> DerSaidin: where do you work / study?[06:21:31] <DerSaidin> jmcp: yep, hence the statement :p[06:21:58] <jmcp> which is very cool[06:22:00] <DerSaidin> jmcp: Uni @ QUT doing Engineering, work at a small engineering/IT consultancy[06:22:04] <jmcp> :-)[06:22:32] <DerSaidin> nothing solaris related there - its just an interest[06:22:35] <jmcp> ahem, I'm almost contractually obliged to mention this - have you heard about the QUT OSUM (Open Source University Meetup) group?[06:22:44] <DerSaidin> yeah, I registered for that[06:22:51] <jmcp> excellent![06:22:58] <DerSaidin> are you involved?[06:23:01] <jmcp> yup[06:23:10] <jmcp> I'm one of the Sun employees in the group[06:23:19] <DerSaidin> cool, what do you do?[06:23:27] <jmcp> I'm a kernel engineer[06:23:34] <jmcp> >> blogs.sun.com/jmcp[06:23:37] <DerSaidin> awesome, they do that in brisbane??[06:23:49] <jmcp> well, if "they" == a small set with one element, then yes[06:24:41] <DerSaidin> what element is that?[06:24:47] <jmcp> me[06:24:51] <jmcp> there's only me[06:25:11] <DerSaidin> do you work from home?[06:25:17] <jmcp> yup[06:25:31] <jmcp> I work closely with people in San Francisco / LA and Beijing[06:25:47] <jmcp> so I have early morning phone calls and late evening phone calls[06:25:57] <Doc> sucks to be you[06:26:10] <jmcp> Doc: yeah, sometimes[06:26:12] <Doc> you could just move to san fran[06:26:14] <DerSaidin> sounds pretty cool to me[06:26:17] <Doc> i hear it's a nice place to live[06:26:17] <jmcp> Doc: I could, but I won't[06:26:25] <jmcp> Doc: haven't you moved back yet?[06:26:28] <jmcp> DerSaidin: yup, it is[06:26:48] <DerSaidin> what project are you working on atm?[06:26:58] <Doc> hell no. change job and moving house next week, but still in the bay area[06:27:22] <Doc> dersaidin: i think he's porting AIX to SPARC[06:27:27] <jmcp> DerSaidin: I'm part of the onnv gate staff, and also working on some new HBA drivers[06:27:31] <jmcp> Doc: muahahahhahahaa[06:27:41] <jmcp> Doc: what company are you moving to?[06:27:44] <Doc> ohh.. wasnt i supposed to tell them about that?[06:28:08] <Doc> been at Zscalre ($1.com) for about the past month or so[06:28:18] <Doc> zscaler even[06:28:37] *** GG123 has quit IRC[06:29:01] <jmcp> Doc: "leader in Cloud Security" and "named Cool Vendor by Gartner"[06:29:02] <jmcp> um[06:29:03] <jmcp> right[06:29:19] <Doc> hey, i'm not in marketing![06:29:25] <jmcp> :-)[06:29:35] <jmcp> DerSaidin: are you on campus most days?[06:29:39] <Doc> 2nd one is absolutely true tho[06:29:54] <Doc> (gartner actually have a "Cool Vendor" thing they do every 6 months or so)[06:30:09] <jmcp> I guess that's them trying to be hip or something[06:30:57] <DerSaidin> jmcp: 3 days a week or so, work 1.5 days a week[06:31:22] <jmcp> I should wander on over next time I'm in the office[06:31:31] <jmcp> I do 1 or 2 days a fortnight in the office[06:32:15] <DerSaidin> mm, I saw on the net a while ago that Sun had an office like a block from QUT, I haven't seen it though[06:32:19] <DerSaidin> hidden in one of those buildings[06:32:44] *** gimonroy has joined #opensolaris[06:32:47] <DerSaidin> but yeah, more specificly I'm doing engineering, majoring in computer systems[06:32:56] <jmcp> DerSaidin: yeah, Albert st[06:32:57] <DerSaidin> 3rd year atm[06:33:00] <DerSaidin> yeah[06:33:10] <jmcp> software or hardware side?[06:33:29] <DerSaidin> both[06:34:09] <DerSaidin> so kernel engineer is certainly a career path :>[06:34:14] <jmcp> :-)[06:34:17] <DerSaidin> and an interesting one[06:35:04] <DerSaidin> I'll have to email you my CV :p[06:35:07] <jmcp> heh[06:36:56] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[06:37:18] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[06:38:42] *** _law_ has joined #opensolaris[06:41:06] <_law_> guys i just installed opensolaris in vmware, then i found that it's making my laptop very slow, i wonder that is there the way to install non-gui opensolaris from livecd?[06:41:24] <flyingparchment> no, but you can use SXCE instead, which has a text installer[06:41:46] <_law_> flyingparchment, how 2 do that?[06:41:58] <flyingparchment> download it and put the DVD in your computer[06:42:25] <_law_> hmm...[06:42:27] *** sarkoman has quit IRC[06:43:17] <_law_> u knw i want to install opensolaris without gui in my vmware[06:43:29] <flyingparchment> then install it there instead[06:44:25] <_law_> but i can't find without gui option when installing[06:44:36] <flyingparchment> are you install SXCE?[06:44:49] <_law_> wat is SXCE?[06:45:04] <_law_> u knw i havent tried opensolaris b4[06:45:41] <_law_> so i don't knw anything[06:46:14] <jmcp> _law_: please type proper words[06:46:43] <_law_> n i only have the livecd that arrived yesterday[06:48:02] <userlame> greetings all. i'm completely new to opensolaris and trying to install with qemu to try it out. i'm running into problems right away when booting the livecd. init doesn't get into a graphical mode (i assume from docs it's supposed to), and i get errors about svc /etc/inetd-upgrade failing then i'm dropped to a console login (http://brad.mifflinet.net/screenshot.png) would anyone be able/willing to help a newbie out?[06:48:04] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[06:48:50] <_law_> hi userlame, i also just installed it in my vmware[06:49:04] <_law_> userlame, wat error u got ?[06:50:05] <_law_> u knw i only can successfuly installed it if i set the memory as 512MB if lower than that it'll fail[06:50:17] <userlame> it's in the linked screenshot...along the lines of "svc:/network/inetd-upgrade:default: Method or service exit timed out" and "killing contract (35|42)" followed by an error about it dying due to a SIGKILL.[06:50:32] <userlame> yes, i'm installing with a gig of ram...[06:50:49] <userlame> and that's another weird part, googling the error message i get shows only a bug with installing <512M of ram[06:51:35] <_law_> hmm u already have 1 gig[06:51:44] <userlame> yes i'm dedicating a gig to the vm[06:52:09] <_law_> haha then i can't help u , i also a newbie XD[06:52:21] <userlame> ah well thanks for the input anyway :)[06:52:35] <_law_> hope somebody sees ur question here[06:52:41] *** Zikla has quit IRC[06:52:59] <userlame> thanks me too :)[06:54:13] <_law_> i have a problem that after installed opensolaris my laptop become very slow, i wonder if i can install opensolaris without the GUI[06:54:31] <_law_> i have a problem that after installed opensolaris in vmware, my laptop become very slow, i wonder if i can install opensolaris without the GUI[06:55:24] <fraggeln> _law_: if you are using SXCE you should be able to select the core-packages only.[06:55:35] <fraggeln> otherwise, just disable the gui after installation.[06:55:48] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[06:55:53] <flyingparchment> *dont* do a core install, especially if you're a new user, unless you hate life[06:56:32] <fraggeln> flyingparchment: if you are an old user and you hate life then? :D[06:57:03] <_law_> hmm i already used to ubuntu-server that no gui at all[06:57:23] <jmcp> _law_: "the gui" is not mandatory, once you've got everything installed - just turn it off[06:57:26] <fraggeln> _law_: solaris and ubuntu is not quite the same.[06:57:38] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[06:57:54] *** wbkang has quit IRC[06:58:27] <userlame> maybe a simple question for a solaris newbie...how can i verify the amount of ram the OS is seeing? (something analogous to free in linux)[06:58:32] <jmcp> prtconf |head[06:58:38] *** Zikla has joined #opensolaris[06:58:46] <userlame> ah beautiful thanks :)[06:58:48] <_law_> u knw when i just installed in vmware then i reboot the vm, it tool along time to get into opensolaris desktop, that's why i want non gui[06:58:48] <jmcp> or even, prtconf |grep Memory[06:59:44] <userlame> oops, just saw the topic <:)[07:00:08] *** klg1 has joined #opensolaris[07:00:32] <klg1> hi! how can i find & install libreadline for osol 2008.11[07:01:09] <_law_> is there anyway to remove the GUI?[07:01:35] <jmcp> _law_: what you really want is to disable it, not remove it[07:01:50] <jmcp> there are too many intermingled Gnome bits[07:02:13] * purserj mutters about that and then moves on[07:02:14] <jmcp> _law_: once you've logged in, either su to root then run pfexec svcadm disable gdm[07:02:25] <_law_> jmcp, is there any cd installer that install opensolaris that have no gui?[07:02:27] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[07:02:37] <jmcp> sorry, su root -c ' svcam disable disable gdm' , *or* pfexec svcadm disable gdm[07:02:39] <jmcp> no, there isn't[07:02:52] <purserj> _law_: there is no way to get OpenSolaris without a desktop[07:03:10] <_law_> why purserj?[07:03:12] <userlame> maybe another way to ask around my question if anyone knows...is there a way to kick off the graphical desktop on the livecd to get to the installation process? startx gets xorg running, but no WM...is there a better way to do it?[07:03:31] <purserj> _law_: because it's been designed that way[07:04:07] <purserj> you can disable it as jmcp says, but you can't remove the whole thing as that would lead to some real "issues"[07:04:36] <_law_> then is opensolaris is only 4 desktop pc ? not 4 server?[07:05:13] <DerSaidin> why was it designed that way? what does the desktop provide thats so important to everything else?[07:05:15] <Zikla> Does the presence of X even if you don't use it make it unsuitable for a server?[07:05:29] <jmcp> no, no and no[07:05:36] <lblume> New user adoption.[07:05:40] <jmcp> _law_: there is no desktop versus server distinction[07:05:52] <jmcp> there are other technologies in development for automated installation[07:06:00] <_law_> so it's suitable 4 server n desktop?[07:06:02] <jmcp> yes[07:06:19] <jmcp> "Server" and "Desktop" are physical hardware classifications entirely separate from what the OS delivers[07:06:21] <lblume> Heck, even 5 desktops if you want.[07:06:31] <jmcp> Sun hasn't shipped a "Server" version of Solaris since 2.6[07:06:47] <jmcp> and there was pretty darned little that was actually different between the two, even then[07:06:51] <_law_> oh ya i c that opensolaris similar with linux[07:06:54] <jmcp> that was 1995[07:07:32] <_law_> so wat makes it different?[07:07:46] <jmcp> what (again with the proper words!) makes what different?[07:07:55] <lblume> However, maintanibility of OpenSolaris vs Solaris is something different. Often, servers are to be used for several years. OpenSolaris has a support life of 18 mnnths, wwhich doesn't fit that.[07:08:07] <jmcp> lblume: at this point in time, yes[07:08:15] <jmcp> but eventually, that'll be different[07:08:20] <jmcp> there'll be a LTS version[07:08:33] <purserj> how ubuntu of you ;)[07:08:34] <lblume> Well, I thought we were being asked the question at this point in time, not at another.[07:08:39] <jmcp> purserj: indeedy[07:08:51] <userlame> just a tangent along those lines, what's the upgrade path for solaris like? as in, how difficult is a version upgrade?[07:08:51] <jmcp> lblume: true, but I wanted to set the expectation correctly[07:09:00] <purserj> I have it now, IBM isn't going to buy Sun, Mark Shuttleworth is[07:09:18] <jmcp> userlame: for Solaris (and that means Solaris 10), you would use LiveUpgrade to go from one Solaris 10 Update to the next[07:09:29] <jmcp> at the moment there's no easy or supported way to go from Solaris 10 to OpenSolaris[07:09:39] <jmcp> which is, after all, still under very heavy development[07:09:45] <jmcp> purserj: *thwap*[07:09:59] <userlame> interesting, i'll do some reading thanks :)[07:10:48] <jmcp> docs.sun.com, look for Solaris Express[07:11:07] <jmcp> except for the packaging and installer system, that's very close to OpenSolaris binary distro[07:12:39] <e^ipi> purserj: IBM just canned 5000 people[07:13:18] <e^ipi> seems it would be a poor move to have a huge layoff and then buy a company worth half your on-hand capital that comes with very little benefit and a whole lot of liability[07:14:20] <_law_> jmcp i already did wat u said i instantly get blank black screen then[07:16:04] <purserj> e^ipi: or it could be a good time to buy up your competition[07:16:32] <e^ipi> sun and ibm field different markets. they're not really competition[07:16:42] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC[07:16:54] <_law_> then i get an error application/graphical-login/gdm default failed[07:16:56] <e^ipi> and burning through half your cash just to eliminate a competitor isn't a good idea anyways[07:17:18] <userlame> e^ipi: let's play monopoly >:D[07:17:56] <lewellyn> yay monopoly[07:18:06] <jmcp> _law_: and then what?[07:18:12] <lewellyn> e^ipi: especially when the future is uncertain as it is[07:19:32] <_law_> then i restart my vm, but still find out that the booting process takes along time and makes my cpu process become above 80 %[07:20:10] <_law_> is still booting till noww XD[07:21:28] <_law_> the red strip still moving left to right till now XD[07:25:06] *** ken1 has quit IRC[07:25:19] *** linma has quit IRC[07:28:26] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[07:29:11] *** ken is now known as kenH_[07:32:41] *** myosound has quit IRC[07:33:33] <_law_> hmm till now stiil booting XD[07:34:36] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[07:35:41] <_law_> haha ok , mabe i have to give up to try opensolaris, i even just get started XD[07:36:26] <lblume> Ok, anybody knows if it's possible at all to get composition to work inside a VNC session?[07:37:08] <Zikla> What's composition in this context?[07:37:21] <Zikla> Window compositing? 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I'd got with the snv_107 or 108[08:27:00] <codestr0m> go*[08:27:23] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi[08:28:37] <userlame> cool i'll give that a go thanks[08:30:56] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[08:36:11] <_setuid_H> Morning everybody[08:36:21] <codestr0m> _setuid_H: hej[08:37:33] *** mib_mnq0rv has joined #opensolaris[08:37:45] <_setuid_H> codestr0m: heya :-)[08:37:54] *** max has joined #opensolaris[08:38:22] *** max is now known as Guest68003[08:38:29] <mib_mnq0rv> How to unset autority[08:38:42] <mib_mnq0rv> pfexec pkg install SUNWgcc SUNWgmake IPSgawk SUNWxorg-headers[08:38:48] <mib_mnq0rv> sorry[08:38:56] <mib_mnq0rv> pfexec pkg unset-authority http://www.blastwave.org/packages.php[08:39:20] <mib_mnq0rv> if i use pfexec pkg authority -H still blastwave is there[08:39:25] <mib_mnq0rv> how can i unset[08:39:30] *** kenH_ has quit IRC[08:42:00] <codestr0m> mib_mnq0rv: man pkg[08:43:35] <codestr0m> I can tell there isn't a lot of bzr users on opensolaris[08:45:37] *** Ayatolla|zZzz has quit IRC[08:45:39] <_setuid_H> mib_mnq0rv: pfexec pkg unset-authority your_auth_name[08:45:42] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[08:45:49] <_setuid_H> mib_mnq0rv: the problem is that you entered url as the name[08:46:01] *** gimonroy has quit IRC[08:46:03] <_setuid_H> mib_mnq0rv: insert the name that pkg authority shows you[08:47:17] *** cypromis has quit IRC[08:47:35] <mib_mnq0rv> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1373795[08:47:42] <mib_mnq0rv> i am getting this error if i refresh[08:56:36] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[08:56:57] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[08:57:08] *** Guest77310 has joined #opensolaris[08:57:56] *** Guest77310 has quit IRC[08:58:06] <DTEIT> morning[08:58:33] <CIA-33> Miles Xu, Sun Microsystems <Min.Xu at Sun dot COM>: 6775380 the e1000g link hung at "up" state after down and unplumb the interface, 6816786 e1000g panics on Lenovo X301 with snv_109[08:59:31] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[09:00:26] *** tynar has joined #opensolaris[09:01:59] <trochej> Mornin'[09:02:29] <tynar> morn[09:02:40] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[09:02:52] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[09:04:02] *** Guest68003 has quit IRC[09:04:52] <trochej> Coffee?[09:08:33] <perlmongo> definitely[09:10:06] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[09:12:52] <mac-> trochej: hi[09:12:53] <mac-> :)[09:13:08] <trochej> hi[09:13:09] <trochej> :)[09:13:24] <mac-> i`ve got running my new 2008.11 LiveCD :D[09:13:48] *** ricardo-vlh has joined #opensolaris[09:13:54] <mac-> but even can`t play mp3 on this :P[09:14:16] <lblume> Use Ogg, then.[09:15:08] <_setuid_H> mac-: after installation download fluendo mp3 free codec[09:15:41] <mac-> lblume: i have all media files on mp3[09:15:45] <mac-> :/[09:16:30] <trochej> mac-: you can install codecs later[09:16:36] <mac-> yesh[09:16:38] <mac-> yeah[09:16:51] <mac-> which window managers are available on openSolaris ?[09:17:00] <mac-> gnome and?[09:17:36] <trochej> mac-: KDE 4, I have seen xfce[09:17:49] <mac-> window maker? 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Alasdairrr has joined #opensolaris[11:27:41] *** invasive has joined #opensolaris[11:28:40] <invasive> how to install flashplayer plugin using Terminal in Opensolaris for my firefox 3.1[11:29:51] <CosmicDJ> I'd say the same way you'd do it on linux[11:32:19] <invasive> on linux using YUM[11:35:51] <sickness> just put this file from the archive in this exact location /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so[11:35:57] <sickness> and you're done[11:36:24] *** linma has quit IRC[11:36:30] <sickness> (at least I've did this with firefox 3.1b2 and 3.1b3 with flash10 plugin on opensolaris 2009.xx based on snv107)[11:37:34] <zaarg> pkg install SUNWfwflash at 0 dot 5.11-0.101[11:38:02] <zaarg> j/k, wrong flash[11:39:30] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[11:41:06] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[11:42:54] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC[11:45:45] <lewellyn> invasive: if you get the linux .tar.gz, it's exactly the same procedure ;)[11:48:20] <invasive> cp: cannot create /usr/lib/firefox/plugins//libflashplayer.so: Read-only file system[11:48:31] <invasive> cp: cannot create /usr/lib/firefox/plugins//libflashplayer.so: Read-only file system <---- what to do?[11:48:31] <invasive>[11:48:45] <asyd> you're in a zone?[11:49:03] *** Ayatolla has joined #opensolaris[11:49:07] <lewellyn> you're not root?[11:49:13] <lewellyn> wait. read-only[11:49:16] <lewellyn> that'd be a zone alright[11:49:22] <Cyrille> a sparse one too.[11:49:32] <lewellyn> do it from the global zone :)[11:49:59] <invasive> i am a root[11:51:13] <Ayatolla> hi folks, got my self a null modem cable today, so tonight i'll make new attempts with my v240 issue from last night[11:51:19] <sartek> it the live cd[11:51:23] <sartek> +'s[11:51:43] <Ayatolla> still not really sure that i will gain more access with connection to 10101 insted of serial mgt[11:51:49] <lewellyn> invasive: you are doing it in the global zone on an installed opensolaris?[11:52:04] <Ayatolla> but, its wort a try[11:52:39] <invasive> jack@opensolaris:/# cp /jack/Downloads/fp/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins[11:52:39] <invasive> cp: cannot create /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so: Read-only file system[11:53:00] <invasive> im using liveusb osol[11:54:16] *** Asad2005 has joined #opensolaris[11:55:57] *** geh_meh_geh has joined #opensolaris[11:56:28] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[11:56:29] *** geh_meh_geh is now known as gehmehgeh[11:58:10] *** ruse39[home] has quit IRC[11:58:14] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[11:58:25] <timeless_mbp> invasive: so, firefox supports an env var for plugin path[11:58:29] <timeless_mbp> if you want to, you can use that[11:58:39] <timeless_mbp> you can also stick plugins into your profile directory[11:58:50] <timeless_mbp> or into a per user plugins directory[11:59:05] <timeless_mbp> lots of choices, but no reason to attack /usr/lib[11:59:54] * timeless_mbp is sure most of this is documented somewhere[12:00:57] <timeless_mbp> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/12506[12:01:12] <timeless_mbp> oddly enough (first google hit) describes most if not all of those possibilities[12:02:15] <lewellyn> timeless_mbp: we told him /usr/lib since it wasn't clear he was on a "live" version :P[12:02:15] <lewellyn> haha. here's puts a monkey wrench in the "ibm buying sun" theories: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/26/ibm.outsourcing/index.html?eref=rss_topstories[12:02:46] *** Asad2005 has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** lzk has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** spiff_ has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** tnelson has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** nicoatsun has quit IRC[12:02:46] *** esok has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** c00p has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** farsan has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** nofoo has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** stoxx has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** mustang has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** NeZetiC has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** nOgAnOo has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** Madkiss has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** codestr0m has quit IRC[12:02:47] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[12:02:52] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:02:53] <invasive> i do not have flashplayer in my firefox osol help pls[12:03:01] <flyingparchment> lewellyn: why?[12:03:05] <lewellyn> timeless_mbp: doesn't the flash tarball come with instructions for system-wide and per-profile installs?[12:03:09] <timeless_mbp> lewellyn: it hardly matters, in general it's better to suggest the profile directory[12:03:09] *** ruse39[home] has joined #opensolaris[12:03:15] <timeless_mbp> oh, i dunno[12:03:18] <timeless_mbp> i don't use flash[12:03:34] *** Asad2005 has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** hajma_ has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** lzk has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** tnelson has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** spiff_ has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** nOgAnOo has joined #opensolaris[12:03:34] *** esok has 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haha[12:04:33] <flyingparchment> lewellyn: that's hardly a new thing[12:04:34] <timeless_mbp> sadly, while i usually try to stay clean, i think i failed[12:04:48] *** servo-- has quit IRC[12:04:57] <timeless_mbp> so, i won't be contributing to an open flash competitor[12:05:18] <lewellyn> flyingparchment: it certainly shows that ibm is in "money-savings" mode again like when they ditched their HDD and PC divisions[12:05:38] <lewellyn> they did few acquisitions at that time, and none were "big", and most were obvious fits[12:05:54] *** nOgAnOo has joined #opensolaris[12:08:44] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[12:10:12] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[12:11:46] <oenone_> damn.. the ralink driver doesn't recognize my ral card, and the intel card can't connect to my network :([12:13:36] <lewellyn> :([12:14:12] *** derchris has quit IRC[12:14:17] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[12:15:45] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[12:15:59] *** yousef has joined #opensolaris[12:17:02] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[12:17:11] <oenone_> only get timeout when trying to connect with ipw0..[12:23:45] <Asad2005> I have created a zpool named testzfs and a zfs /testzfs/movie and set sharenfs=on. Now how do i mount the share on a LAN PC ? Would mount IP:testzfs/movie /mnt work ?[12:24:31] <trygvis> it has to start with a slash[12:26:27] <Asad2005> I tried mount IP:/testzfs/movie /mnt this as well and did not work "access denied by server" Do i have to start a NFS server on opensolaris PC or just the sharenfs=on suffice[12:27:34] <trygvis> setting sharenfs should start the required services[12:28:02] *** hsp has quit IRC[12:28:03] <trygvis> sharemgr show should show all current shares[12:28:10] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[12:28:51] *** calumb_ has joined #opensolaris[12:29:34] *** calumb has quit IRC[12:29:51] <Asad2005> sharemgr does show the share but why not mounting on a lan linux pc[12:31:10] <trygvis> try forcing the linux to use nfs version 3[12:31:19] <invasive> my flashplayer cannot be installed correctly[12:31:20] <trygvis> mount -o vers=3 ip:/share[12:33:09] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:34:07] *** invasive has quit IRC[12:34:55] <Asad2005> trygvis, It worked now thanks It was a spelling mistake only[12:35:06] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris[12:36:42] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[12:37:38] *** magnon has quit IRC[12:42:56] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[12:43:00] *** niq has quit IRC[12:47:15] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[12:47:50] *** calumb_ has quit IRC[12:47:51] *** wms has joined #opensolaris[12:48:07] *** calum_ is now known as calumb[12:48:25] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris[12:53:23] <Asad2005> trygvis, I get Permission denied when i tried to write a file on the nfs mount. Do i need to do some thing on the testzfs side ?[12:53:45] <oenone_> i used "wificonfig createprofile mynet essid=mynet encryption=wep wepkey1=12345... wepkeyindex=1 channel=11" and "wificonfig -i ipw0 connect mynet", but it fails to connect :([12:53:51] <oenone_> can i make it more verbose?[12:54:19] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[12:54:35] *** Dar has quit IRC[12:57:14] <oenone_> i also tried "dladm create-secobj -c wep mykey" and "dladm connect-wifi -e mynet -k mykey", but that command times out[12:58:11] <lewellyn> oenone_: i couldn't get dladm to work, period. i can only use the little network panel icon in gnome to connect to my wifi[12:58:28] <oenone_> that one gives me errors, too[13:00:18] <oenone_> "connection to wireless lan failed"[13:02:34] <oenone_> any hints?[13:02:53] *** sartek has quit IRC[13:03:30] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[13:03:46] <oenone_> do i have to enter the key with 0x or without?[13:05:38] <Asad2005> i am getting a Permission denied on zfs nfs share when mounted on a lan pc any suggestion[13:05:43] *** GNUix has quit IRC[13:05:52] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[13:06:04] <oenone_> any ideas why my (supported) ralink card is not recognized?[13:06:12] *** GNUix has quit IRC[13:06:27] <tsoome> probably because its not supported.[13:06:33] <Ayatolla> which version of solaris should i download for installation on a fire v240, sol-10-u6-ga1-sparc-dvd.iso?[13:06:49] <asyd> yes[13:06:53] <oenone_> tsoome: it[13:07:01] <oenone_> tsoome: it's in the list of supported devices[13:07:01] <Ayatolla> or osol-0906-106a-ai-sparc.iso[13:07:09] <tsoome> supported by whom?[13:07:24] <tsoome> are you 100% sure its the same card?[13:07:28] <oenone_> tsoome: solaris and opensolaris[13:07:41] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[13:07:44] <tsoome> by sun on by third party driver?[13:07:55] *** GNUix has quit IRC[13:08:19] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[13:08:38] *** GNUix has quit IRC[13:08:45] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[13:08:51] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: ah you got past the password check? which jumper was it?[13:08:55] <oenone_> tsoome: it's in opensolaris since build 69[13:08:58] <tsoome> there are plenty of examples where hw manufacturer has changed the components on card yet not changeing the product name[13:09:21] <oenone_> i'll try a third card...[13:09:54] <tsoome> does the pci id match?[13:09:55] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ not yes, but i got my self a new cable today so i will make new attempts tonight via serial 10101[13:10:50] <tsoome> what ralink card it is exactly?[13:11:23] <lewellyn> oenone_: with the applet, does it ask for your key?[13:11:31] <oenone_> msi mp54g4[13:11:32] <lewellyn> if so, you can try my workaround of choice :P[13:11:40] <lewellyn> nice card, btw[13:11:41] <oenone_> lewellyn: yes[13:11:47] <lewellyn> and does it save the key?[13:11:51] <oenone_> seems so[13:11:57] <lewellyn> ok. try this...[13:12:58] *** cambazz has joined #opensolaris[13:13:04] <cambazz> hello. how do I clear the dns cache[13:13:11] <cambazz> in opensolaris that is[13:13:24] <lewellyn> 1) delete the saved key. 2) connect to an unsecured network (or, maybe, get another network to prompt for a key...) 3) connect to your preferred AP 4) wait for it to ask for your key and enter it as quick as you can and hit OK. 5) wait for the connection to fail. 6) repeat step 2. 7) reconnect to your preferred AP and it should work.[13:13:32] <jmcp> cambazz: svcadm restart dns/client name-service-cache[13:13:57] <lewellyn> i.e. at step 7, you shouldn't have to re-enter your key[13:14:37] <CosmicDJ> cambazz: IIRC nscd is caching dns entries, too[13:19:18] <tsoome> nscd -i hosts; nscd -i ipnodes[13:20:52] <jmcp> CosmicDJ: that's why you restart name-service-cache[13:21:33] <tsoome> full nscd nukage might not be the brightest idea in busy system:P[13:23:28] <lewellyn> tsoome: i'd expect (hope?) someone asking that wouldn't be in charge of a busy system ;)[13:23:39] <tsoome> true:D[13:27:10] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[13:29:42] *** ruse39[home] has quit IRC[13:30:40] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[13:31:28] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[13:31:34] *** Asad2005 has quit IRC[13:32:21] *** barfoed_ has joined #opensolaris[13:32:31] *** Asad2005 has joined #opensolaris[13:32:39] *** barfoed has quit IRC[13:32:46] *** ruse39[home] has joined #opensolaris[13:38:03] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[13:40:29] *** Ayatolla is now known as Ayatolla|afk[13:42:53] *** marctw has quit IRC[13:45:11] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[13:52:30] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:52:59] *** Asad2005 has quit IRC[13:53:30] *** Asad2005 has joined #opensolaris[13:55:22] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[13:56:17] <Asad2005> i am getting a Permission denied on zfs nfs share when mounted on a lan pc any suggestion ? Do i need to chmod it to 777 ?[13:57:43] <asyd> are you trying to write as root on your nfs share?[13:57:49] <asyd> it's forbidden by default[13:57:53] *** fftb has quit IRC[13:59:49] <Asad2005> asyd, yes as root or via sudo from client[14:00:11] <asyd> man share_nfs[14:01:59] <Asad2005> asyd, but that is the client side which need root privilege to write[14:02:39] *** _ej_ has joined #opensolaris[14:05:40] <Asad2005> asyd, Its a zfs pool with sharenfs=on is. How can i change that to accept root[14:05:56] *** rno has joined #opensolaris[14:06:54] <asyd> man share_nfs, bis[14:07:00] <tsoome> man zfs[14:07:07] <tsoome> sharenfs=on | off | opts[14:07:32] <tsoome> notice the opts[14:10:08] *** marctww has joined #opensolaris[14:11:02] <Asad2005> tsoome, what does opts do do i need to change from on to opts[14:11:15] <tsoome> man share_nfs[14:11:21] <asyd> :)[14:11:22] <asyd> I win![14:11:27] <tsoome> ;)[14:11:53] <Asad2005> I am new to the world of opensolaris so bear with me[14:12:06] <tsoome> options are same despite you create share by zfs set sharenfs= or share command[14:12:11] <asyd> root= at 172 dot 20.14.0/24 for example[14:12:22] <asyd> to allow root from the subnet to have write permissions[14:12:23] <tsoome> if you are new, the more you need to read[14:12:58] <tsoome> the sooner you start reading, the less time you need to spend on reading:P[14:13:05] <asyd> hehe[14:13:42] <tsoome> you are setting up some service and you have no clue what you are really doing....[14:14:11] <tsoome> zfs set sharenfs=on will share your filesystem with RW to all the world.[14:14:17] <tsoome> without any limitation[14:14:18] *** gaveen has quit IRC[14:14:23] <asyd> tsoome: not for root user[14:14:36] <tsoome> ye ok, thats the limitation.[14:15:03] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[14:16:10] <Asad2005> where does this "root= at 172 dot 20.14.0/24" go on zfs set command[14:16:16] <lewellyn> oenone_: ping?[14:16:20] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[14:17:23] <tsoome> sharenfs=on | off | opts means sharenfs parameter can take argument on or argument off or argument options[14:18:18] <Asad2005> tsoome, Thanks for the advice I will be reading but first if i get this working as i am planning to change my NAS server to opensolaris[14:18:41] <asyd> zfs sharenfs='root=@..'[14:18:49] <tsoome> an pages are good fore reference, quick hints[14:19:06] <Asad2005> asyd, thanks[14:19:26] *** ONGA has joined #opensolaris[14:19:27] <tsoome> you might wanna search for howto pages or things like that - those could be easyer for new people[14:19:53] <tsoome> man*[14:24:51] <Asad2005> asyd, I tried that "zfs sharenfs='root= at 192 dot 168.1.0/24' but did not work invalid options[14:25:33] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:25:49] <Asad2005> zfs set sharenfs='root= at 192 dot 168.1.0/24' /testzfs/movie[14:25:56] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[14:26:56] <asyd> and what is the error?[14:27:06] <asyd> the last argument of zfs must be a dataset, not a directory[14:27:09] <Asad2005> invalid options[14:27:09] <asyd> i.e. testzfs/movie[14:27:20] *** ONGA has quit IRC[14:27:21] <Asad2005> yet it is[14:27:51] <tsoome> dataset will not start with /[14:29:00] <Asad2005> yet the leading slash is not there[14:29:41] <Asad2005> sharenfs can not be set to invalid options it says[14:30:24] <tsoome> try without '[14:30:43] <tsoome> im not sure quotes are needed there[14:31:02] <Asad2005> same error[14:31:02] <asyd> yes indeed, that depend which shell you use however[14:33:46] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[14:36:05] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[14:36:26] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[14:38:45] *** javatexan has quit IRC[14:39:33] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[14:46:42] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[14:46:47] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[14:47:00] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[14:47:14] *** saboteur has joined #opensolaris[14:47:19] <saboteur> hi :)[14:47:28] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[14:47:50] <oenone_> lewellyn: pong?[14:48:47] <oenone_> i attached wired lan before you made your suggestion and started downloading build 110.. 1 minute left and then i'll try your solution[14:49:04] <lewellyn> kk. :)[14:49:32] <lewellyn> i'd really like to figure out why i need to do it that way, but it works most of the time[14:53:13] <saboteur> i'm having some problems getting my opensolaris machine to boot[14:54:14] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[14:54:16] <saboteur> this is as far as it ever gets: http://www.flickr.com/photos/saboteur/3389203545/sizes/l/[14:55:19] *** tough has quit IRC[14:55:56] <saboteur> it won't let me break out to the debugger either[14:56:15] <oenone_> lewellyn: no luck..[14:57:06] <lewellyn> :([14:57:14] <saboteur> any clues? :([14:57:16] <lewellyn> nwam + wifi still seems to be "fiddly"[14:57:34] <lewellyn> also, i had to change my ESSID after playing with dladm.[14:57:46] <lewellyn> be sure you undo anything you did to dladm, first :P[14:58:11] <Okona> saboteur: is this from the live cd or installed? Try the current dev build from genunix.org[14:58:13] <lewellyn> changing my ESSID back later worked fine; it probably has something to do with dladm trying to be intelligent[14:58:39] <lewellyn> saboteur: x86 or sparc, too? ;)[14:58:48] <saboteur> Okona: the livecd boots fine, this is the first reboot after the install[14:58:52] <lewellyn> oh wait, you posted a link[14:58:52] <saboteur> x86 :)[14:59:02] * lewellyn launches a graphical browser[14:59:29] *** j0nas__ has quit IRC[15:01:12] <saboteur> Okona: am i able to update my hard drive install to the dev build from within the livecd? or must i download a new iso and reinstall?[15:01:20] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[15:01:46] <lewellyn> saboteur: neat. what if you try without running in the debugger?[15:01:51] <Okona> saboteur: you should be able to do that[15:02:08] <saboteur> lewellyn: it just sits there on the same "features" line[15:02:14] <lewellyn> :([15:02:20] <Okona> saboteur: mount the root slice, add the /dev/ repo and use the pkg -R flag[15:02:37] <lewellyn> i've never seen that features line before, but i run sxce[15:02:48] *** elatio has joined #opensolaris[15:02:51] <saboteur> lewellyn: it's because i ran with the -v kernel option[15:03:02] <saboteur> if i omit that it just freezes on the line before[15:03:27] <lewellyn> ahh k. i've never used -v :)[15:03:49] <saboteur> Okona: so do i need to do a change root before doing the package command?[15:03:53] <elatio> hey there #opensolaris[15:04:02] <lewellyn> which cpu is this, btw?[15:04:04] <saboteur> you have to bear with me i'm a n00b cause i can't get my machine to boot and learn :P[15:04:10] <elatio> would you be able to answer a few questions for me?[15:04:15] <saboteur> lewellyn: pentium m 1.5ghz[15:04:25] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[15:04:29] <lewellyn> 1.5... 530?[15:04:31] <Okona> saboteur: no, the -R flag is used instead, (man pkg)[15:04:43] <saboteur> Okona: fantastic, cheers[15:04:44] <Okona> saboteur: how much ram?[15:04:53] <saboteur> Okona: 1.5GB[15:05:27] <elatio> i'm considering installing an opensolaris partition on my laptop and was wondering if it'd run reasonably and if there'd be a way to get some drivers[15:05:42] <saboteur> elatio: boot the livecd then run the driver checking thingy :P[15:06:08] *** niq has quit IRC[15:06:27] <elatio> is there a good chance there would be none, due to proprietary chipset/etc[15:06:43] <saboteur> it's pretty cool[15:06:44] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[15:06:45] <lewellyn> saboteur: do you know your sSpec number for your processor? or its processor number?[15:06:55] <lewellyn> 758?[15:06:58] <Okona> elatio, the sun hcl is also a good start[15:07:03] <Okona> elatio: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/[15:07:20] <saboteur> lewellyn: let me just fire up this livecd[15:07:22] <elatio> thanks[15:07:34] <lewellyn> saboteur: mmk. your bios should tell you at post, btw :)[15:07:42] <Okona> elatio: but when you have the chance, try the live cd.[15:07:59] <lewellyn> "Intel(R) Pentium M(TM) 1.5GHz ###"[15:08:11] <saboteur> elatio: i downloaded the driver checking tool and ran it under windows, it was kinda neat[15:08:14] <saboteur> just needed java[15:08:16] <Okona> elatio: then google for drivers (-:[15:08:32] <lewellyn> if it doesn't have the number, i can narrow it down to 2 processors, if it's exactly 1.50GHz ;)[15:09:18] <lewellyn> and i seem to recall one of them having a bug with certain motherboards, which may be biting you, if that's the chip you have :)[15:09:26] <saboteur> ah[15:09:29] <lewellyn> (SL6F6)[15:10:00] <elatio> ok, thanks. but in the event i can't find them the OS will function without them, right? i only need it for the terminal shell really.[15:10:20] <saboteur> you'll want the video to be supported well enough[15:10:36] <Okona> elatio: sure[15:10:51] *** Dar has quit IRC[15:11:09] <lewellyn> i'm not sure how one *got* that sSpec # chip, but that's what my notes of "try to get one of these chips for testing" say[15:11:35] <saboteur> i thought dmesg would help me out here[15:11:41] <lewellyn> nope.[15:11:47] *** d6g|away is now known as d6g[15:11:51] <saboteur> how else can i obtain the info you need? only the bios?[15:11:54] <lewellyn> if you get the CPUID, that will help[15:12:12] <lewellyn> prtconf, maybe?[15:12:28] <lewellyn> dunno if prtdiag will tell you[15:12:47] <saboteur> doesn't look promising[15:13:22] <lewellyn> prtconf -v|less[15:13:27] <lewellyn> then /Pentium[15:14:01] <saboteur> value='Intel(r) Pentium(r) M processor 1.50GHz'[15:14:10] <lewellyn> hm...[15:14:23] <lewellyn> i'm hoping that's stripping the model number[15:14:50] <saboteur> dmesg complains about some ACPI stuff[15:15:02] <lewellyn> you running the latest bios update?[15:15:23] <saboteur> yeah :([15:15:39] <lblume> Maybe smbios -t SMB_TYPE_PROCESSOR[15:15:46] <lewellyn> oh aha! you have access to a windows machine? http://www.intel.com/support/processors/tools/piu/sb/CS-015823.htm[15:16:01] <saboteur> yep[15:16:21] <lewellyn> that's the bootable processor identification tool. i knew they had it somewhere on their site.[15:16:24] <lewellyn> great thing, there :)[15:16:37] <saboteur> lblume's method has some info[15:16:54] <lewellyn> does it say 715 or 758?[15:17:11] <saboteur> mPGA478 ?[15:17:20] <lewellyn> or have a 5 character string starting with SL?[15:17:28] <saboteur> the CPUID is 0xafe9fbff000006d8[15:17:31] <lewellyn> that's your socket type. that'd be "Socket 479"[15:17:38] <lewellyn> uh. huh.[15:17:57] <lewellyn> so 06d8[15:18:03] <lewellyn> that works :D[15:18:14] * lewellyn figures out which cpu that is[15:18:14] <saboteur> cool :)[15:18:22] <saboteur> i can still reboot if need be[15:18:57] <lewellyn> ok. you have a Pentium M 758 with an sSpec # of SL89M[15:19:03] <lewellyn> you might want to note that somewhere. :)[15:19:05] <lblume> Lot's of stuff in smbios, and still litlle known by those sparcophile oldtimers.[15:19:22] <lewellyn> lblume: i don't get smbios data :P[15:19:32] <lewellyn> that's why i didn't say anything ;)[15:19:38] <lewellyn> smbios: failed to load SMBIOS: System does not export an SMBIOS table[15:19:57] <lblume> Buy yourself a real computer :-D[15:20:16] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[15:20:35] <lewellyn> saboteur: but your processor has the "new" speedstep... i recall that there was power work done recently, so it's not unlikely that a new build will fix it for you :)[15:20:52] <lewellyn> lblume: you know which i was checking with, i take it? ;)[15:21:18] <saboteur> cool[15:21:31] <lblume> 'fraid so.[15:21:51] <lblume> Let it go in peace now, the poor thing has a right to retirement.[15:21:52] <lewellyn> saboteur: i envy you, btw. solaris doesn't support my speedstep at all :([15:22:01] <lewellyn> it sees only 1 processor speed :P[15:22:15] <lewellyn> lblume: i run it like a dog. and it keeps up well enough :)[15:22:32] <lblume> "speed" in your case is a very overrated word.[15:22:33] <lewellyn> an x86 box would cost more in the long run[15:22:44] <lewellyn> lblume: i mean my laptop[15:23:00] <lblume> Ok :-D[15:23:05] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[15:23:17] <lewellyn> the speedstep doesn't report anything but the 1.7GHz "native" speed :P[15:23:33] <saboteur> i'll update to the dev build and let you know how it goes[15:23:58] <lblume> I'm lucky enough to have mine supported, but I didn't think about asking for VT support :-/[15:24:17] <lblume> Not a laptop, a desktop in my case.[15:24:25] *** rastal has quit IRC[15:24:38] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[15:26:36] *** bnitz has left #opensolaris[15:26:42] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[15:28:40] *** kenH- has quit IRC[15:29:37] *** MadMonki has quit IRC[15:29:57] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:31:25] <lewellyn> lblume: what i want is either hyperthreading or (better) a dual-core. and then i should be happy :)[15:31:42] <lblume> In a desktop?[15:32:07] <lblume> Is HT still done? I thought it had been more or less abandoned in favor of dual cores.[15:32:21] <Wulfen> i7 has HT[15:32:34] <lblume> Is it worth it?[15:32:59] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[15:33:00] <Wulfen> 8 threads on a quadcore, helps sometimes. Sometimes not.[15:33:13] <Wulfen> Depends on the workload[15:34:15] <lewellyn> lblume: i have a celeron m right now :P[15:34:20] <lewellyn> it's 64-bit though :D[15:34:44] <lblume> Honestly, I've given trying to understand names for Intel CPU.[15:35:02] <lewellyn> it's the mobile celeron[15:35:07] <lewellyn> "even more scaled down"[15:35:13] <lewellyn> celeron is their "light" cpu[15:35:15] *** DTEIT_ has joined #opensolaris[15:35:35] <lewellyn> and i think i7 is a 786, correct?[15:36:13] <lblume> Than which one? The first Celeron didn't have any cache.. Good old times :-)[15:36:48] <lewellyn> sec and i'll link to my cpu[15:37:30] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[15:37:49] <lewellyn> http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA2G[15:38:19] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[15:39:30] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[15:40:56] <lblume> Not bad.[15:41:04] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[15:42:36] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[15:44:03] <lewellyn> rumor has it that this CPU works on my board, so i'm hoping to upgrade to it :) http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA44[15:44:12] <lewellyn> it can be had fairly inexpensively[15:45:09] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[15:46:06] *** Ayatolla|afk is now known as Ayatolla[15:46:23] <lewellyn> hm. the sSpec for the cpu i *really* want isn't in intel's database :([15:47:14] <lewellyn> ah there we go: http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/QB/QBDW.html[15:48:43] *** lzk has quit IRC[15:49:20] <lewellyn> i can't justify over $500 on a cpu though :)[15:50:26] *** marctww has left #opensolaris[15:51:42] *** sophokles1 has quit IRC[15:52:21] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[15:53:00] *** _ej_ is now known as ej|away[15:56:21] *** lzk has joined #opensolaris[15:57:40] *** alfism has quit IRC[15:57:43] <lblume> All that technology...[15:58:10] <lblume> I'd like to say that so much power is useless for me, but I'm suffering on Vista right now.[15:58:32] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[15:58:38] <Okona> .oO(Which makes the Power useless (-: )[15:58:39] <lewellyn> i'm on vista with that first cpu i linked[15:59:06] <lewellyn> lemme tell you that no hyperthreading and a single core with i945GM graphics sucks[16:00:58] *** trygvis has quit IRC[16:00:58] *** spiff_ has quit IRC[16:02:31] <lblume> Lemme see.... It's a T2080, 1.73 GHz here, and a 945GM. It seems to be dual core, 32 bits.[16:02:39] <lblume> Or dual thread.[16:02:58] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[16:03:08] <psychicist> lewellyn: does that processor really cost $500? if it's true it looks like they're asking what they think they can get away with with their customers[16:04:06] <lewellyn> psychicist: the highest-end processors for a given socket always cost more :P[16:04:18] <lewellyn> there are no socket p above 3.06 ghz[16:04:41] <lewellyn> and nothing bigger than 2 cores[16:05:15] <psychicist> I see, I've been waiting for 4 cores for laptops for 2 years now[16:05:24] <lewellyn> they exist :)[16:05:38] *** asarch has quit IRC[16:05:50] <lewellyn> intel has 2[16:06:36] <lewellyn> i'm not sure what socket they use though[16:06:36] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:06:52] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[16:09:18] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[16:10:50] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[16:11:42] <lewellyn> oh wow. it's the same socket as i've been looking at. too bad they're money... :P[16:11:45] <lewellyn> http://www.automatedwebhosting.net/product_info.php?products_id=65411[16:12:04] <lewellyn> now, to try to get toshiba to tell me if it's likely to work with my bios. that should be fun :D[16:12:17] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[16:13:51] <psychicist> it's amazing what they ask for those processors compared to those for desktops and servers[16:13:59] <lewellyn> yup :P[16:14:05] <lewellyn> amd's no better[16:14:31] <lewellyn> of course, look at the speeds they're pulling out of these smaller cpus with fewer watts[16:14:55] <psychicist> I'm just being a cheapass, I use a laptop to login to my quad core desktop via vnc[16:15:18] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[16:16:27] <lewellyn> you know, if toshiba says that it should work, i think i just may get a SLB5G. in the long run, it'll be cheaper than waiting for compiles on a lesser chip :P[16:17:27] <lewellyn> i mean, if it saves me even 10 hours over its lifespan, it's paid for the cost difference and then some[16:17:27] <psychicist> indeed, time is money so get what you can afford :P[16:17:46] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[16:17:57] * lewellyn starts drafting the email to the beancounter :P[16:18:11] <lewellyn> cart before the horse, but i think i should get this email right ;)[16:18:12] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris[16:18:21] *** tfb has quit IRC[16:18:36] <lewellyn> i can see it now... "the laptop cost you $300 and you want to put a THOUSAND DOLLAR CPU in it!?"[16:19:08] *** DDevine has joined #opensolaris[16:19:23] <postwait> I'm playing with crossbow... I can't figure out how to add one of my physical interfaces into an etherstub. Any hints?[16:19:49] <trichobezoar> interesting...[16:19:58] <psychicist> that's one of the absurdities of current laptop configurations, it wouldn't help you much to get a newer one because it would probably still come with a dual core[16:21:08] <lewellyn> psychicist: part of the point of this laptop is to replicate "average" pc hardware for windows software testing. so i'll be swapping cpus between the celery and whatever its replacement is :P[16:21:14] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[16:21:50] <lewellyn> i945 + celeron m + 512mb-2gb ram = "pretty average"[16:22:06] *** cwebber has quit IRC[16:23:07] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[16:23:59] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[16:24:46] <psychicist> my laptop configuration is also pretty average with radeon7500 + p4 mobile 2ghz + 512 mb ram[16:24:57] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[16:25:51] <lewellyn> yeah. i was looking for the intersection of "what joebob was likely to buy at best buy in 2007", "pretty upgradeable", and "cheap"[16:26:37] *** cy_` has joined #opensolaris[16:28:00] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[16:29:05] <sickness> does an sshd enabled opensolaris livecd exist? (which you can boot headlessly and connect from remote, not that you have to do svcadm enable ssh)[16:29:29] *** gimonroy has joined #opensolaris[16:29:44] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[16:29:51] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[16:31:52] <piwi> sickness: iirc: maybe the old ones. the newer ones have it disabled because of security (known default user and root pwd)[16:32:30] <sickness> that's unfortunate because one can't do an headless install :/[16:32:53] <piwi> the AI install images exist[16:33:28] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[16:33:34] *** ipfw has quit IRC[16:34:06] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[16:34:38] <sickness> piwi: ok but it's a different beast to learn, or is it just the same image but with sshd enabled? I don't think so :/[16:35:07] <piwi> no, it isn't.[16:35:21] <sickness> :/[16:36:40] <trichobezoar> woot ips 110[16:37:27] <piwi> sickness: it's not that complex, but you need a second osol machine: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/AIinstall/gentextid-261.html[16:38:46] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[16:38:52] <sickness> tnx, I'll reread that paper tnx[16:40:05] *** Erwann has quit IRC[16:41:23] *** piwi has quit IRC[16:41:53] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[16:42:42] *** rno has quit IRC[16:42:56] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[16:43:15] <xRaich[o]2x> anyone who knows how C++0x is internally progressing for sunstudio? i mean are there already implementation efforts going on?[16:44:27] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[16:45:27] <ipfw> b110 comes up to login, and when loading the gnome desktops restarts my box, I'm in b109 right now, what logs should I be looking for to see what the issue is ?[16:46:08] <ipfw> looks like there is a core file in my home dir, that might be of some use[16:46:40] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[16:47:51] <lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: um. i thought that was part of the point of express[16:48:15] <xRaich[o]2x> lewellyn: i don't know. that's why i'm asking[16:48:18] *** hajma__ has joined #opensolaris[16:48:21] <lewellyn> speaking of, i should grab 03/09[16:49:19] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[16:50:01] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[16:50:28] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[16:51:53] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris[16:52:20] <lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: oldish post, but interesting: http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5296590[16:52:40] <xRaich[o]2x> lewellyn: already read that, but thanks for looking it up ;)[16:53:16] <lewellyn> i know there's a page with actual concrete info *somewhere*, but sun.com hosts lots of content :P[16:53:31] <xRaich[o]2x> I'm programming a systemlib right now and i REALLY miss concepts...[16:53:48] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't want to do that stuff with typetraits mumbojumbo[16:54:18] <lewellyn> relying on X++0x is something i'd not do at this point...[16:54:24] <lewellyn> C++0x even[16:54:27] *** fftb has quit IRC[16:54:33] <xRaich[o]2x> i know it's still a draft[16:54:56] <ipfw> Don't remember anywhere in the release notes about b110 dumping core and rebooting my box over and over ![16:54:59] <xRaich[o]2x> even though i don't think that much will change considering concepts[16:55:11] <xRaich[o]2x> it's a pretty solid design[16:55:29] *** carl- has quit IRC[16:55:37] <lewellyn> um. it's c++. if it's a solid design, it hasn't been looked at enough ;)[16:56:06] *** lblume has left #opensolaris[16:56:35] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[16:58:01] <trichobezoar> is there some changelog or release notes for 110?[16:58:02] <xRaich[o]2x> nah come on. it's not that bad[16:58:13] *** niq has quit IRC[16:58:15] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[17:01:30] *** javatexan has quit IRC[17:02:19] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[17:02:30] <jteo> C++ is slowly converging towards Lisp.[17:03:03] *** thesnowdog is now known as theanalogkid[17:03:08] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[17:03:15] <xRaich[o]2x> isn't it already there?[17:04:34] <chrisg> hm[17:04:35] <xRaich[o]2x> i mean that's why i'm using it. when writing syslibs i want to define how the language behaves[17:04:40] <chrisg> anyone tried updating a be from the livecd?[17:04:49] <xRaich[o]2x> you don't write apps in raw C++[17:04:59] <xRaich[o]2x> you use C++ libs[17:05:31] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[17:07:44] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[17:09:00] *** gimonroy has quit IRC[17:09:12] <bda> chrisg: No, but shouldn't you just need to mount it and specify -R?[17:09:22] <bda> Though unsure how ipkg would work there.[17:09:28] <bda> Google may provide an answer.[17:09:45] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[17:10:43] *** tsoome has quit IRC[17:11:35] <chrisg> ive mounted the be[17:11:43] <chrisg> and i did pkg -R /pathtobe image-update[17:11:45] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[17:11:50] <chrisg> moans about having not enough disk space[17:11:55] <chrisg> which is 'cause im on the live cd i guess[17:11:55] <chrisg> :([17:13:04] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[17:14:45] *** gimonroy has joined #opensolaris[17:15:26] <bda> Make a ramdisk on the BE and mount that wherever pkg wants its scratchspace. :P[17:15:53] <bda> Or tell it to use scratch in the BE or whatever.[17:15:55] * bda looks for food.[17:16:37] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[17:17:24] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[17:18:28] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[17:19:43] *** Dar has quit IRC[17:22:03] *** Ayatolla has quit IRC[17:26:07] <Chiron|> hi, i have 2 be on my opensolaris with gnome. when i install blackbox from blastwave and delete gnome on last be, is gnome still installed on the first be?[17:27:05] <g4lt-lappy> hnave you tried looking?[17:27:12] <crichardso> so has there been an issues with 110? also is vlans fixed in 110?[17:28:54] <lewellyn> there's issues with every build. else there'd be no reason to keep building ;)[17:29:58] *** cambazz has quit IRC[17:30:52] *** d6g is now known as d6g|away[17:43:33] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[17:43:33] *** mrb1 has quit IRC[17:48:31] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[17:48:40] *** BlueZeniX_ has joined #opensolaris[17:48:43] *** ericjray has quit IRC[17:49:47] *** Disreali has joined #opensolaris[17:52:00] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:52:56] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris[17:53:17] <davismj> so i still can't install opensolaris on virtualbox[17:53:22] <davismj> it hangs when it tries to start x[17:55:05] *** jteo has quit IRC[17:55:10] *** div8 has quit IRC[17:56:13] *** Asad2005 has quit IRC[17:57:32] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[17:57:34] <davismj> anyone have any idea ?[17:58:19] <chrisg> is it just going slow?[17:58:21] <chrisg> liek[17:58:27] <chrisg> need more gfx mem?[17:58:36] *** vitorio has joined #opensolaris[17:58:39] <davismj> i doubt it[17:58:41] <CIA-33> Mark J. Nelson <Mark.J.Nelson at Sun dot COM>: 6775785 webrev generates incorrect navigation frame reference for files in top level directory of repository[17:58:42] <CIA-33> Mark J. Nelson <Mark.J.Nelson at Sun dot COM>: 6819038 usr/src/pkgdefs/Makefile.targ updates should have used parentheses for Makefile macro references[17:58:43] <CIA-33> Mark J. Nelson <Mark.J.Nelson at Sun dot COM>: 6820421 webrev needs a better way to deal with mixed references to multiple information tracking systems[17:58:44] <CIA-33> Huie-Ying Lee <Huie-Ying.Lee at Sun dot COM>: 6791293 Array overrun in scp[17:58:57] <davismj> thats a good story[17:58:57] <chrisg> :([18:02:54] <lewellyn> haha. awesomeness from CIA :)[18:02:58] *** davismj has quit IRC[18:04:51] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[18:04:56] <trichobezoar> I just booted 110 and it doesnt go past Hostname: thehost[18:05:03] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[18:05:04] <trichobezoar> How can I figure out where in the start it's failing?[18:06:02] <trichobezoar> I noticed an extra message in the bootup, something about my nic... Never saw this driver message before, but it hangs past that[18:08:20] <trichobezoar> Broadcom Gb Ethernet v1.02[18:10:18] *** koan has quit IRC[18:10:22] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[18:13:01] <trichobezoar> seems to hang when executing zfs volinit[18:15:18] *** koan has quit IRC[18:15:23] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[18:15:27] * trichobezoar wonders where WARNING: kstat_create('sockfs',0,'socket_24_4_0'): namespace collision comes from[18:18:07] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[18:19:08] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[18:20:16] *** dunc has quit IRC[18:21:55] <trichobezoar> looks like for some reason devfadm was choking on a zfs-auto-snaps[18:24:46] *** luc^ has quit IRC[18:27:26] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[18:28:11] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[18:29:46] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[18:29:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[18:30:03] <d3xter> does a shockwave player exist for osol?[18:32:17] *** jbeda has joined #opensolaris[18:33:19] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[18:33:28] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[18:33:30] *** cypromis has quit IRC[18:33:57] <e^ipi> does shockwave still exist?[18:34:06] *** MrStamp has quit IRC[18:34:14] <e^ipi> i thought it had all converged on flash[18:34:22] <e^ipi> in either case, there's a flash player[18:34:44] <d3xter> i've already installed flash-player, but it doesnt work with .dcr files[18:35:43] *** d6g|away is now known as d6g[18:36:41] <trichobezoar> Well if anybody here has trouble booting 110, try booting with kernel... -m milestone=none, then deleting all your zfs-auto-snap's, then booting[18:36:48] <e^ipi> looks like shockwave player is supported on windows, osx.[18:36:59] <e^ipi> not linux, not solaris, just win/mac[18:38:24] <lukehasnoname> but mac is solaris since mac is unix and solaris is unix[18:38:25] <lukehasnoname> right[18:38:32] <lukehasnoname> <_<[18:38:42] <e^ipi> don't be retarded.[18:38:53] <hrist> /b/-tarded?[18:39:11] * holcomb turns around 360 degrees and walks away[18:39:18] <e^ipi> you sure you want to admit to knowing what that means?[18:39:18] <xRaich[o]2x> O_o[18:39:26] <e^ipi> seeing as how 4chan is full of mostly pedophiles[18:39:43] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[18:39:43] <e^ipi> d3xter: from wiki: "Unlike Flash, the Shockwave browser plugin is not available for Linux or Solaris despite vocal lobbying efforts."[18:39:47] <e^ipi> there you go then *shrug*[18:40:21] <hrist> e^ipi: I don't need to visit 4chan to know what a /b/-tard is[18:41:16] <trichobezoar> Bah. hald dies reading KSTAT_IOC_READ cpu_info0[18:41:32] <lukehasnoname> hrist: but you do need to visit 4chan to find the joke relevant[18:41:43] *** benr has joined #opensolaris[18:41:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benr[18:42:07] <e^ipi> morning benr[18:42:11] <lewellyn> macromedia declared shockwave dead long ago, along with director and authorware. so you aren't likely to see adobe put forth effort in releasing plugins on "new" platforms.[18:42:15] <benr> morning[18:42:20] <lukehasnoname> Ah, the second of 3 things that has kept me interested in Opensolaris just joined[18:42:20] <benr> Tpenta: are you around by chance?[18:42:50] <benr> lukehasnoname: :)[18:43:11] <hrist> lukehasnoname: well you all know more than I do ;)[18:43:32] <lukehasnoname> does anyone here read Linux Journal?[18:44:15] <e^ipi> every time i've tried it's always "see how ubuntu can make your mom use linux!! :D "[18:44:27] <lukehasnoname> They had an interesting article introducing linux branded zones in Solaris and how to set them up[18:44:28] <e^ipi> i wouldn't inflict linux on my mom, and the article isn't helpful to me either[18:44:36] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[18:44:37] <lukehasnoname> e^ipi: You're thinking Linux Journal[18:44:38] <lukehasnoname> er[18:44:44] <lukehasnoname> Linux Format[18:44:48] <jbk> e^ipi: didn't you hear 2004^H5^H6^H7^H8^H9 is the year of the linux desktop[18:44:53] <holcomb> "this month: linux kernel 2.6.48-rc8-RMS cures foot rashes in china"[18:45:09] <holcomb> also applies to slashdot[18:45:09] <lukehasnoname> so none of you read the follow up on my question I see[18:45:29] <postwait> holcomb, foot rashes are serious issues -- nothing to make fun of.[18:45:34] <e^ipi> i read it; we already know how to set up branded zones[18:45:37] <lewellyn> lukehasnoname: link?[18:45:38] <e^ipi> benr's blog told us[18:45:40] <e^ipi> :)[18:45:44] <lukehasnoname> son of a bitch[18:45:46] <lukehasnoname> really?[18:46:10] <benr> I haven't blogged about branded zones in a long time.[18:46:18] <benr> although, given the rise of Linux KVM I probly should.[18:46:25] <e^ipi> benr: no, the entry was a while back[18:46:28] <e^ipi> helpful though[18:46:44] <benr> ya, I got Oracle up on Linux in a LX branded zone.[18:46:48] <benr> ... long time ago.[18:46:56] <postwait> benr: ever get a recent 2.6 kernel running under lx?[18:46:58] <benr> I hope to blog about xVM (Xen) more soon.[18:47:18] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[18:47:24] <benr> postwait: I don't recall... I used whatever was stock for CentOS 4[18:47:25] <lukehasnoname> oh, I misunderstood e^ipi . Anywho, the fact the original Linux magazine, the one I have most respect for, had a positive piece about how useful Solaris can be was both shocking and informative. Not shocking that Solaris is useful, but that a Linux publication would cover it.[18:47:47] <e^ipi> benr: i also found the vnics entry helpful[18:47:57] <benr> ya, Crossbow is the future![18:48:05] <benr> networking that doesn't suck.[18:48:10] <benr> vnic's rule.[18:48:11] <e^ipi> it's quite cool, i'm enjoying it a bunch[18:48:13] <postwait> So... now the right audience.[18:48:15] <lewellyn> lukehasnoname: again, link?[18:48:27] <postwait> Can I add a vlan'd vnic to an an aggregate?[18:48:27] <lukehasnoname> sry one sec, I have it in print and I'm multitasking[18:48:35] <lewellyn> kk[18:48:43] <e^ipi> though, fyi, trying to give an xvm domu a vnic either fails if you try to give it as an ethernet device, or kernel panics if you try to give it as a bridge to an etherstub[18:48:48] <monsted> i want a cisco-branded zone so i an load IOS in it ;)[18:48:48] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[18:48:57] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[18:49:08] <lewellyn> i want to learn how to extend the lx brand :P[18:49:18] <benr> postwait: good question, I don't see why not.[18:49:30] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[18:49:54] <benr> postwait: Ya, it looks fine, but I haven't personally tested it.[18:50:00] *** mikefut has quit IRC[18:50:11] <lukehasnoname> lewellyn: It's subscriber only[18:50:19] <lewellyn> lukehasnoname: suck :P[18:50:22] <jbk> monsted: i'd rather something that just supported the ios commands[18:50:27] <lewellyn> so much for using it in my evangelizing[18:50:44] <postwait> Also, is it possible to bridge between etherstubs or an etherstub and a physical nic?[18:50:52] <lewellyn> lukehasnoname: thanks anyhow :)[18:51:03] <lewellyn> LJ is deadtree, too, right?[18:51:12] <lewellyn> is this in the apr 2009 edition?[18:51:15] <lukehasnoname> it's a bare bones how-to, but it gets you up and running, links to a perl script for automating lx zone creation, and compliments Solaris' strength with zones and ZFS[18:51:17] *** derPUPE_ is now known as derPUPE[18:51:19] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[18:51:23] <lukehasnoname> lewellyn: yes[18:51:47] <lewellyn> ok. i'll try to remember to pick up a copy to let people read :)[18:51:49] <benr> postwait: That would be routing.... I've done that... put 10 zones on an etherstub, then one on both a physical and the etherstub and enable IP forwarding.[18:52:15] <lukehasnoname> ftp.linuxjournal.com/pub/lj/listings/issue180/10268.tgz[18:52:36] <lukehasnoname> that's the zonetool.pl script[18:53:41] *** ric-vlh has joined #opensolaris[18:54:02] *** Odin- has quit IRC[18:54:08] <trichobezoar> e^ipi: I didnt get any panics when doing that. It just Didnt Work. The people at #solaris-xen said that it was becasue of the mtu. And that was fixed in 110, so...[18:54:10] *** Vonoff has left #opensolaris[18:54:19] *** aveteam has quit IRC[18:54:21] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: hang it off an etherstub[18:55:08] <lewellyn> lukehasnoname: wow. from those listings, it looks like an excellent article. i'll definitely have to grab a copy![18:55:17] <lewellyn> thanks for the heads-up![18:55:52] <postwait> benr, I sometimes need to do with with bridging and not routing.[18:55:57] <jbk> i'm hoping there will be come coherence with all that stuff[18:56:05] <postwait> The routing part is pretty straight forward.[18:56:17] <jbk> between bridging, etherstubs, simlinks, vnics, etc.[18:56:23] <postwait> I'm hoping bridging is as well, but I'm not finding much information[18:56:31] <lukehasnoname> lewellyn: you can go to linuxjournal.com and see what's covered in the issue[18:56:44] <lukehasnoname> in a web interface, instead of a readme[18:57:33] <lewellyn> lukehasnoname: the listings were enough to sell me the issue ;)[18:58:22] <lewellyn> maybe someone could enlist the author of the article to update the os.org docs? they're still like a 95% complete thing :P[18:58:54] <CIA-33> Christopher Baumbauer - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Christopher.Baumbauer at Sun dot COM>: 6686817 simulate_unimp can continually simulate the same instruction[18:59:58] *** LeftyBSD_ has joined #opensolaris[19:00:13] <monsted> eek, it's the lefty![19:00:39] *** DTEIT_ has quit IRC[19:01:32] *** LeftyBSD has quit IRC[19:02:50] <lewellyn> lukehasnoname: yeah. that looks like a pretty solid issue. PXE and lx zones in the same issue. i like it ;)[19:03:11] *** ^zod^ has joined #opensolaris[19:03:27] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[19:03:32] *** |coffeetime| has joined #opensolaris[19:03:57] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[19:04:11] <lukehasnoname> Firefox was lagging[19:04:15] <lukehasnoname> what was the last thing said to me[19:05:12] <^zod^> afternoon gents, could some kind souls answer a simple question on how to list fat32 / linux partitions[19:05:16] *** Guest47657 has quit IRC[19:05:36] <_dsw> format -> fdisk[19:05:41] <_dsw> to "list" them[19:05:55] <_dsw> don't expect much though[19:06:19] <^zod^> I have a fat32 partion and a solaris, but I never get the fat32 listed[19:06:35] <_dsw> you want to mount it?[19:06:36] <CosmicDJ> is that a primiry part. or ext. part?[19:06:40] <CosmicDJ> primary[19:07:28] <^zod^> yes, just to edit some files on it[19:07:35] <^zod^> primary fat 32[19:07:47] <_dsw> mount -F pcfs /dev/dsk/yourdisk /mntpoint[19:07:51] <lewellyn> 11:04 < lewellyn> lukehasnoname: yeah. that looks like a pretty solid issue. PXE and lx zones in the same issue. i like it ;)[19:07:53] <_dsw> might want to -o ro in there too[19:08:21] <CosmicDJ> read only edit ;)[19:08:31] <_dsw> ah yeah he said he wanted to edit, lol[19:08:38] <^zod^> is there a solaris equivalent to the linux "fdisk -"[19:08:45] <_dsw> yeha prtvtoc heh[19:09:02] *** LeftyBSD_ has quit IRC[19:09:10] <_dsw> there is an fdisk but I am unsure if it provides the same functionality[19:09:15] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[19:09:41] <^zod^> yes basically I would like to see a listing of all drives and the partitions/slices on them[19:10:34] <_dsw> best I think you can do is a prtvtoc and use format on the disk and enter the fdisk subcommand to list the partitions themselves[19:10:48] <lewellyn> pfexec prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c*s2 or pfexec prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c*p0[19:10:58] *** ricardo-jrg has quit IRC[19:11:18] <lewellyn> i suspect you need the p0 style ;)[19:11:40] <lewellyn> the c is probably optional, too[19:12:25] <lewellyn> note that prtvtoc won't tell you about zfs pools, of course[19:13:22] *** MattMan has quit IRC[19:13:33] <^zod^> ok I'll give it a shot :-)[19:13:35] *** nage_ has joined #Opensolaris[19:14:29] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[19:14:44] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[19:16:08] <^zod^> p0, p1, p3 pN represents a partition ( be it linux or fat32 )[19:16:36] <^zod^> so p0 is the first partition ?[19:18:29] <lewellyn> p0 is the partition table, iirc[19:18:51] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:19:39] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[19:24:00] *** dynamicproxy has joined #opensolaris[19:24:09] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[19:24:28] *** steleman has quit IRC[19:25:07] *** dynamicproxy has quit IRC[19:26:44] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[19:27:27] *** cyberjames has joined #opensolaris[19:27:48] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[19:29:14] *** Randello has quit IRC[19:29:43] <Chiron|> hi, is there a way to geht conky running in opensolaris? i cant´t find packages[19:29:47] <Chiron|> *get[19:31:01] *** steleman has joined #opensolaris[19:31:28] *** dunc has quit IRC[19:32:06] *** kohju has quit IRC[19:32:18] <CosmicDJ> Chiron|: compile it from source?[19:32:56] <Chiron|> the websity says "Conky is licensed under the GPL and runs on Linux and BSD."[19:33:04] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris[19:33:13] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[19:33:21] <lukehasnoname> http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/27/microsofts-new-ad-shows-how-people-shop-for-computers-in-the-re/#continued[19:33:26] <lukehasnoname> ha ha ha[19:33:28] <CosmicDJ> well I'd say now you know why there's no opensolaris pkg ;)[19:33:49] <lukehasnoname> osol has no gpl licensed software?[19:33:53] <lukehasnoname> in pkg[19:34:14] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[19:34:15] <CosmicDJ> that's not what I just said[19:34:26] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[19:34:26] <lukehasnoname> ah[19:34:28] <lukehasnoname> misread[19:34:38] <lukehasnoname> wtf was I thinking[19:36:08] <CosmicDJ> Chiron|: but feel free to port it to (open)solaris ;)[19:36:31] <Chiron|> hehe :P[19:36:32] <xRaich[o]2x> it's been done for milux afaik[19:36:36] <xRaich[o]2x> milax[19:36:37] *** gaveen has quit IRC[19:36:38] <xRaich[o]2x> sorry :P[19:36:39] *** aramdune has joined #opensolaris[19:36:52] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:36:57] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[19:37:18] <lewellyn> gah. linux users are making me want to buy a weapon :P[19:37:34] <trochej> I can say the same about some opensolaris users[19:37:44] <cypromis> users in gerneral[19:37:45] <CosmicDJ> "cofee"[19:37:46] <Zaba> I can say the same about some of my classmates.[19:37:49] <CosmicDJ> +f[19:38:08] <trochej> CosmicDJ++[19:38:24] <trochej> cypromis: Their only use is our existence. :)[19:38:27] <CosmicDJ> NaN[19:38:38] <trochej> Vampires?[19:39:19] <trochej> Looks like an a with really big ears. :)[19:39:46] <trochej> And yes, I can say the same about some coffee users , as well.[19:39:49] <e^ipi> lewellyn: you're american... it's legal[19:40:06] *** ^zod^ has quit IRC[19:40:40] <trichobezoar> anybody here running ips-110? hald crashes on me. want to know if it's just me or not[19:41:22] *** infomomo has left #opensolaris[19:41:41] <lewellyn> e^ipi: using the weapon for what i want to use it for is not... penguicide? ;)[19:41:59] <lukehasnoname> e^ipi: True. In fact, I believe we can still buy assault rifles.[19:42:02] <lewellyn> i'm reading some threads about gcc 4.3 and the linux kernel[19:42:07] <jbk> trichobezoar: running xen?[19:42:12] <trichobezoar> yes[19:42:16] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname: what's an assault rifle?[19:42:16] <jbk> known bug[19:42:17] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris[19:42:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig[19:42:34] <lukehasnoname> automatic weapons[19:42:36] <lukehasnoname> I /think/[19:42:41] <lewellyn> "it's standard behavior because linux does it that way. sure, linux violates the real standard, but who cares?"[19:43:10] <lewellyn> nevermind the performance implications and the fact that the gcc folk are *finally* trying to comply with a relatively ancient abi :P[19:43:18] <trichobezoar> jbk: any workaround?[19:43:24] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:43:25] <hile_> e^ipi: it's an intermediate-calibre select-fire shoulder-fired weapon[19:43:25] <lewellyn> i guess linux users *like* headaches[19:43:39] <jbk> trichobezoar: none that i was able to find[19:43:51] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[19:44:34] <nrubsig> What's the current time in the US/MPK timezone ?[19:44:54] <e^ipi> here at least, automatic weapons are banned, handguns have heavy restrictions, and single shot rifles are fair game[19:45:11] <e^ipi> you need a license to buy them but all bets are off otherwise[19:45:11] <nrubsig> e^ipi: what about sniper rifles ?[19:45:42] <e^ipi> nrubsig: single fire ones, yeah[19:45:50] <e^ipi> people use them for hunting[19:46:06] <e^ipi> picking off a moose at 2km seems a bit unfair to me but *shrug*[19:46:06] <nrubsig> e^ipi: AMR is non-automatic normally but it can be modified manually.[19:46:21] <lukehasnoname> MPK?[19:46:30] <trichobezoar> jbk: is it fixed in 111?[19:46:36] <nrubsig> e^ipi: AMR can pick-off a tank at 1.2 km and a radar disk at 3km[19:46:47] <lukehasnoname> It's 1:48p Central, 2:48 east,[19:46:47] <nrubsig> lukehasnoname: menlo Park[19:46:48] <e^ipi> nrubsig: yeah, i knew a guy who accidently had an automatic rifle ( the trigger backstop or whatever it's called came loose and fell off )[19:47:07] <e^ipi> he fixed it pretty quick but for about an hour he had an illegal weapon[19:47:12] <nrubsig> lukehasnoname: I need the SFbay time[19:47:27] <lukehasnoname> 11:49 I think[19:47:30] <e^ipi> nrubsig: it's 11:49PST[19:47:31] <jbk> trichobezoar: it would appear so[19:47:35] <jbk> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6811793[19:47:45] <nrubsig> e^ipi: well, the only rifle I can handle is the AMR and therefore I am asking...[19:48:01] <CosmicDJ> hm that should be PST, or?[19:48:07] <e^ipi> nrubsig: if they're modified to no longer be automatic, they're legal in canada[19:48:10] <jbk> lewellyn: i use the analogy of windows nt way back -- when you had to reboot for every little thing, and would crash fairly regularly[19:48:21] <jbk> it was accepted as 'normal' even when it really shouldn't[19:48:26] *** pgr has quit IRC[19:48:26] <nrubsig> e^ipi: ... but it is useless for hunting... 1450m/s muzzle velocity makes it unsuited for hunting unless you want deer spead over 500m²[19:48:30] <trichobezoar> thanks jbk[19:48:40] <jbk> i see parallels with linux's lack of a stable abi / api / etc.[19:48:48] <e^ipi> there's length restrictions ( they must be longer than something like 60cm ... )[19:48:59] <e^ipi> make it harder to conceal[19:49:15] <jbk> it causes needless problems that linux people just think are 'normal'[19:49:19] <nrubsig> e^ipi: that's easy for the AMR - you need two people to transport it... =:-)[19:49:19] <trichobezoar> Wow even with its trouble i <3 110. I can use xen/vnics now[19:49:27] <lewellyn> jbk: a good nt admin would only reboot for hotfixes and servicepacks, back in the 4.0 days ;)[19:50:32] <CosmicDJ> nrubsig: env TZ="US/Pacific" date or smth like that[19:50:34] <lewellyn> i remember fighting with the nt admin one place i worked because i needed her to install something which required a reboot (the team i administered for needed it to get work done on their deadline-looming project)[19:51:42] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[19:52:19] *** MrStamp has joined #opensolaris[19:53:07] <trichobezoar> Wow. I think without HAL, I can't alt-tab. That burns[19:53:15] *** wms has quit IRC[19:53:25] <trichobezoar> or it's some gnome setting[19:54:08] <trichobezoar> some map fail[19:55:03] <lewellyn> my keymap's changed every build :P[19:55:05] *** asarch has quit IRC[19:55:31] <lewellyn> makes vbox fun as i have to keep remapping my host key. (i don't have a right-ctrl, so i hijack a different key)[19:55:49] <trichobezoar> alt-tab works through synergy to another system. but not locally ;P[19:55:53] *** javatexan has quit IRC[19:56:11] <lewellyn> :P[19:56:41] <trichobezoar> Windows dont raise on body-click like they used to either. but just some.[19:57:12] *** bubbva has quit IRC[19:57:22] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:57:55] <lewellyn> holy crap. someone remarked that the abi that gcc's adhering to is invalid because it's sco's... talk about fail.[19:58:19] <lewellyn> oh, then they claimed someone else was ignorant :D[19:58:29] <trichobezoar> remap their keys[19:58:29] <bda> Holy crap. Someone on the Internet said something stupid.[19:59:02] *** nickv_nserr has joined #opensolaris[19:59:12] <trichobezoar> Maybe it's because I didnt start from gdm, and started from startx. But I cant start from gdm because I dont have hal ;P[19:59:39] *** vitorio has quit IRC[19:59:48] <nickv_nserr> hey all...i just installed build 110...and got (4) kstat_create sockfs namespace collision errors when i boot the server...i can login fine, but i get these errors after configuring devices[19:59:50] <CosmicDJ> http://plasmaoxyd.de/wp/?p=113 "CNN News Break: Rice Bag fallen over"[20:01:09] *** piwi has quit IRC[20:01:18] <nickv_nserr> any ideas? cant find much info about the topic[20:01:39] <trichobezoar> Ahhh starting up gdm manually gives me back my alt-tab and window-raising clicks[20:02:58] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[20:04:21] *** bubbva has quit IRC[20:05:30] <lewellyn> bda: 90% of what i'm reading about this issue is inanity. i'm just trying to find out the linux kernel patch it was fixed in. i seriously hope these people never migrate to opensolaris :P[20:05:50] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[20:06:15] <lewellyn> nickv_nserr: someone was mentioning that with 110 earlier. i missed the resolution of the issue, sadly.[20:06:19] *** bnitz has quit IRC[20:06:23] *** infomomo has quit IRC[20:06:31] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[20:07:14] *** mlischke_ has joined #opensolaris[20:08:13] <mlischke_> hey there, I managed to create my first service in osol, it appears with svcs etc. and is online[20:08:19] *** mlischke_ is now known as mlischke[20:08:26] <holcomb> congrats![20:08:35] <mlischke> however, I would like to control it via the gnome service settings[20:08:35] <tsoome> well done:)[20:08:40] <mlischke> holcomb: thanks[20:08:44] <mlischke> hey guys :-D[20:08:58] <mlischke> well, seriously, the new service does not appear in that list[20:09:05] <mlischke> so I cannot switch it on and off[20:09:08] <tsoome> are you sure that gnome thing is really ported to solaris?:P[20:09:10] <mlischke> what's the magic behind that?[20:09:17] *** Ayatolla has joined #opensolaris[20:09:28] <mlischke> well, it is, I think, it shows all the other services[20:09:31] <tsoome> can you see any real solaris services there?[20:09:44] <mlischke> hmm, what's a real solaris service?[20:09:49] <mlischke> zfs is there[20:09:50] <Ayatolla> hello folks[20:10:00] <mlischke> xvnc is there[20:10:21] <mlischke> dns, nfs, ldap, alot[20:10:28] <mlischke> just not my own baby[20:11:42] <Ayatolla> i got my self a null modem cable today to se if i have more luck via serial 10101 to reset then via serial mgt, but now when i hook things up i don't any output in hyperterm[20:11:52] *** nickv_nserr has quit IRC[20:12:42] <Ayatolla> should it be 9600 8-N-1?[20:12:45] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: what do the docs say about that 10101 port?[20:14:27] <Ayatolla> not more then >> The ALOM serial port, labelled SERIAL MGT, is for server management only. If you need a general purpose serial port, use the serial port labeled 10101[20:15:20] <CosmicDJ> a GP serial port doesn't sound like you can connect a terminal there..[20:15:27] <Ayatolla> If you have your console set to TTYB (10101) rather than to TTYA (the ALOM serial port, labeled SERIAL MGT), you may not see all the output from the console. This is because both OpenBoot PROM and Power-On Self-Test (POST) send diagnostic output to TTYA by default.[20:15:36] <Ayatolla> notting really intresting[20:15:42] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[20:15:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[20:16:08] <benr> good afternoon David.[20:16:39] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[20:19:33] <jamesd_> hi benr[20:19:57] <Ayatolla> http://docs.sun.com/source/817-2699-13/pin_signals.html#24523[20:20:39] <Ayatolla> http://docs.sun.com/source/817-2699-13/pin_signals.html#38152[20:20:53] *** infomomo has quit IRC[20:21:32] <benr> hey james[20:22:26] <jamesd_> how is joyent?[20:23:46] *** e-jat has quit IRC[20:26:17] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: um. that quote is very interesting; it says that ttyb won't do what you expect[20:29:03] <Ayatolla> lewellyn i guessed that my self but since i'm starting to give up, i thought i give it a try[20:29:24] <Ayatolla> but as i said before, right now, i can't even get any output on ttyb[20:30:40] *** asarch has quit IRC[20:31:52] <lewellyn> you won't, by default. you have to redirect your console from obp[20:32:05] <benr> jamesd_: doing well.[20:32:08] <Ayatolla> i found this in a forum, any1 know what he means? "I had to L1-N to reset the NVRAM. "[20:32:13] <Ayatolla> what is L1-N[20:32:19] <jamesd_> benr: cool[20:32:20] <lewellyn> um. we told you that numerous times[20:32:23] <lewellyn> Stop-N[20:32:32] <trichobezoar> Ayatolla: how'd that ttya go?[20:32:45] <jamesd_> Ayatolla: assuming you have a sun keyboard[20:33:15] <Ayatolla> jamesd_ no, i don't have any sun equip more then this f**king to servers that i cant use at the moment[20:33:34] <g4lt-lappy> L1 is an older designation fo the stop key[20:33:44] <g4lt-lappy> type 2 or 3[20:33:44] *** luc^ has quit IRC[20:33:52] <Ayatolla> i have only pc workstations with both linux and windows.. null modem cables and rj45 serial mgt cable.. using terminal[20:34:16] <e^ipi> Ayatolla: in fairness, you bought a server locked down with a password, without also buying the password[20:34:37] <g4lt-lappy> and/or bought a sun system without a sun keyboard[20:34:44] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: you never did pastebin your output for us, btw[20:34:46] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[20:34:49] <g4lt-lappy> is the foolish part IMO[20:34:52] <Ayatolla> trichobezoar =) hi man, not so good as you can hear.. i'm starting to give up[20:34:53] <lewellyn> so we are still guessing at exactly what you see[20:34:54] <jamesd_> Ayatolla: probably best to look on ebay and buy a sun keyboard.. usually about $10 plus shipping.[20:35:16] <CosmicDJ> g4lt-lappy: you don't need a keyboard with a sun server IMHO[20:35:38] <jamesd_> CosmicDJ: unless you need to wipe the obp because it won't boot.[20:35:38] <Ayatolla> lewellyn http://hoodeh.se/sun_serial_mgt.txt[20:35:41] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: the solution may be insanely stupid, but we can't tell you this without seeing[20:35:54] <g4lt-lappy> CosmicDJ, you do when it screws up and you need to stop-n ;P[20:36:18] <CosmicDJ> jamesd_: what's STOP-N sending? a break? I'm sure you can do that with any terminale sw[20:36:36] *** aramdune has quit IRC[20:36:41] <Ayatolla> lewellyn also http://hoodeh.se/sun_timeout.txt & http://hoodeh.se/alom_menu.txt[20:36:45] <g4lt-lappy> CosmicDJ, no stop-a is break[20:36:51] <CosmicDJ> hm ok...[20:37:22] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: yeah. L1-A should fix that in a jiffy[20:37:27] <lewellyn> and plug in the other PSU ;)[20:37:51] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, you mean l1-n. l1-a just drops yo OBP[20:37:59] <Ayatolla> lewellyn so how do i send a L1-A via a terminal prog? and when should i send that esc break?[20:38:12] *** mlischke has quit IRC[20:38:19] <g4lt-lappy> no gain if OBP is passworded[20:38:29] <jamesd_> CosmicDJ: good luck.. i have never seen a way to send stop-n, since its a very low level hardware thing done at powerup, and the other half of tne problem could be that a fubar serial port setting.. its hard to send a break when you have no idea where the box is looking for that break to come from like serial port[20:38:35] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: yeah. i realized that after starting to type in another channel :P[20:38:41] <jamesd_> B or worse.. a serial port on a sbus card[20:39:23] <g4lt-lappy> so net result, always have a sun keyboard if you have sun gear[20:39:53] *** aramdune has joined #opensolaris[20:40:21] <Ayatolla> where do i connect that keyboard? i mean what the keyboard connector.. i only have 2 serial ports and some usb[20:41:06] <e^ipi> presumably the USB port then, no?[20:41:07] <jamesd_> Ayatolla: newer boxes have usb keyboards, older ones use a sun interface for the keyboard.. what type of box?[20:41:13] <monsted> i haven't needed a sun keyboard since i threw the Ultra5 out the window[20:41:14] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: try hitting esc as the alom boots[20:41:14] *** diegoviola has joined #opensolaris[20:41:15][20:41:19] <Ayatolla> fire v240[20:41:32] <lewellyn> yeah. hit esc as the alom boots on a v240 :)[20:41:36] <monsted> Ayatolla: just use the serial port :)[20:41:43] <Ayatolla> lewellyn have done that, thats when i get http://hoodeh.se/alom_menu.txt[20:41:49] <lewellyn> monsted: um. the obp is passworded[20:42:07] *** diegoviola has left #opensolaris[20:42:10] <monsted> oh, i missed that part[20:42:16] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: how well does doom play? ;)[20:42:23] <Ayatolla> haha[20:42:36] <Ayatolla> it says "OK, your DOOMED![20:42:41] * g4lt-lappy notes that a type7 is $50 from store.sun.com[20:42:47] <lewellyn> yes. ;)[20:43:06] <lewellyn> and resetting the SC doesn't do it, i bet...[20:43:09] <trichobezoar> So how did you determine the obp is passworded?[20:43:11] <Ayatolla> i tried that couple of times yesterday night before i was going to give up for the day[20:43:12] * lewellyn tries to remember[20:43:32] <Ayatolla> nopp[20:43:54] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: isn't that obp's login prompt on the paste?[20:44:17] <lewellyn> i stopped passwording obp due to massive headache long enough ago that i forget[20:44:34] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[20:44:34] <trichobezoar> "Please login:" prompt?[20:44:43] <lewellyn> yeah. is that the lom's[20:44:44] <lewellyn> ?[20:45:26] <trichobezoar> i think so[20:45:32] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: btw, do you get an SC Alert?[20:45:43] <lewellyn> and a login timeout followed by ok>?[20:45:57] <lewellyn> if so, that's the lom, certainly :)[20:46:08] <trichobezoar> http://hoodeh.se/sun_timeout.txt <--- sc alert[20:46:08] *** gurubee has joined #opensolaris[20:46:14] <trichobezoar> no ok>[20:46:38] <Ayatolla> no ok =([20:46:45] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: how long did you wait after that?[20:46:53] <lewellyn> it can take a couple minutes, if i recall[20:46:58] <Ayatolla> over the night[20:47:02] <lewellyn> ow.[20:47:08] <lewellyn> and #. didn't do it?[20:47:24] <Ayatolla> no that gets me back to "please login"[20:47:30] <lewellyn> and i assume you have your card in it?[20:48:02] <lewellyn> and have you turned the box off and popped out the lom battery for 5-10 mins?[20:48:08] <Ayatolla> card? system config? the smafrt card? sure, it say that never power on without the card so i havnt tried anything else[20:48:21] <Ayatolla> the battery has been out now for some days[20:48:23] <lewellyn> yeah. leave the card in it :)[20:48:30] <lewellyn> oh. you want a good battery in it[20:48:49] <lewellyn> though i'm not certain fixing the battery will drop you to the obp[20:49:42] <trichobezoar> "take the battery out for x minutes, put back" is > "take battery out, wait x minutes, power on?"[20:49:48] <Ayatolla> this is starting to get really frustrating, have tried a lot of jumpers also, no luck[20:50:27] <Ayatolla> brb folk, have to reboot[20:50:33] *** Ayatolla has quit IRC[20:50:37] <lewellyn> don't poke at jumpers :P[20:51:11] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: iirc, the lom doesn't work right with a dead battery[20:51:20] <lewellyn> at least my v100 iloms don't ;)[20:51:29] <trichobezoar> what does "right" mean?[20:52:05] <lewellyn> my v100s won't boot. the ilom will power on the machine, but openboot appears "dead"[20:52:19] <lewellyn> which appears similar to the not getting an ok>[20:52:21] <trichobezoar> isnt that the same thing here?[20:52:31] <trichobezoar> sounds similar heh[20:52:38] <lewellyn> that's why i'm suggesting a good battery ;)[20:52:55] *** Ayatolla has joined #opensolaris[20:54:24] *** enumerate has joined #opensolaris[20:55:27] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: http://nopaste.info/5b48289a6d.html[20:55:37] <lewellyn> a recap of what happened in your absence :)[20:55:48] <Ayatolla> i found some other guy in a forum saying something about shoving a keyboard in the back and removeing it.. repeat serveral times and hope for a ok>[20:55:49] <Ayatolla> haha[20:55:59] <Ayatolla> cheers[20:56:00] <trichobezoar> that's by inducing a break[20:56:06] <lewellyn> yup[20:56:56] *** servo- has quit IRC[20:56:57] <Ayatolla> cool, can that really be that stupid? just a old battery causing all this[20:57:10] * Ayatolla runs after the multimeter[20:57:21] <trichobezoar> we dont really know. at least me ;)[20:58:23] <lewellyn> battery reads fresh?[20:58:28] <Ayatolla> well the battery i took out some days ago its a 3v and show now 2.96[20:58:34] <CIA-33> Mark J. Nelson <Mark.J.Nelson at Sun dot COM>: 6820421 webrev needs a better way to deal with mixed references to multiple information tracking systems (fix interpreter)[20:58:41] <Ayatolla> will put it in and try again with the battery in[20:58:49] <trichobezoar> off, wait, battery[20:59:26] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: btw, the Reset SC option in the ALOM menu... does it have a submenu?[20:59:32] <Ayatolla> ok, have unplugged all cables now.. will wait 5 min to get rid of any stored current in the circuits[20:59:53] <trichobezoar> I hit the power button after unplugged to drain the psu. lights up the computer for 1/10th a second[20:59:53] <Ayatolla> lewellyn no it only gets me directly back to the menu[21:01:11] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: suck. i wish all of sun's machines had fully functional LOMs :P[21:01:40] <lewellyn> also, you tried all the "standard" logins, i assume? ;)[21:01:42] <Ayatolla> i wich sun was more clear about this in their manuals[21:01:59] <lewellyn> root/root admin/admin root/god root/password etc?[21:02:15] <Ayatolla> yes, also found out that the init password is the last 8 digits of the S/N, tried that aswell[21:02:35] <lewellyn> :([21:02:40] *** micols has quit IRC[21:02:52] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[21:03:23] <Ayatolla> i go for a smoke, when i get back, i will connect the battry and try again to get that timeout to ok>[21:03:31] *** Ayatolla is now known as Ayatolla|afk[21:03:43] <lewellyn> let's hope it works[21:03:52] <trichobezoar> or else. dum dum DUMMMMM[21:04:17] <lewellyn> i didn't see the "Open Boot not responding" i was kinda hoping for in any of the pastes :([21:04:33] <lewellyn> since that's usually relatively easy to fix[21:04:37] *** lip_skip_vt has quit IRC[21:05:09] *** lip_skip_vt has joined #opensolaris[21:05:35] <trichobezoar> how?[21:05:54] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[21:06:39] <lewellyn> upload a new firmware, usually :)[21:08:19] <trichobezoar> How do you do that without aw orking system?[21:09:54] <lewellyn> the alom menu :)[21:10:01] <trichobezoar> ... This menu is retarded[21:10:06] *** revlo has joined #opensolaris[21:11:55] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[21:13:00] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[21:14:00] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: there's reasons i like the "stupid" ilom. it may be stupider, but it's easier to deal with than the early aloms :P[21:14:55] <lewellyn> though i'd prefer that rj45 console to be ethernet rather than "cisco serial" :P[21:15:44] <lewellyn> (but i now carry a pair of those adapters everywhere... you wouldn't believe how handy they are when you need a serial cable... you ALWAYS have cat-5!)[21:16:47] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[21:18:11] *** marctww has joined #opensolaris[21:20:14] *** Ayatolla|afk is now known as Ayatolla[21:21:45] * Ayatolla are about to do attempt #3212->infinity: bypassing alom login on v240, gain ok>[21:21:49] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[21:21:51] *** gottadoit11 has joined #opensolaris[21:21:53] <CosmicDJ> hm... what adapter?[21:21:57] *** gottadoit11 is now known as gottadoit1[21:22:17] <benr> alom ruled.[21:22:34] <marctww> what have you guys been up to?[21:22:36] <lewellyn> benr: except when it gets in the way ;)[21:22:43] <marctww> installed anything new? tested somethng new?[21:23:12] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[21:23:13] <benr> always. :)[21:23:23] <marctww> cool.. like what?[21:23:39] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: i'll refrain from asking more questions and stuff till we see if you get an ok> this time :)[21:24:03] <lewellyn> benr: since you like alom, can you help Ayatolla with a forgotten password on a sun fire v240? :D[21:24:25] * lewellyn is nearing the end of his list[21:24:28] <Ayatolla> lewellyn dosen't look like i do[21:24:29] <benr> afraid not... haven't used alom actively in a long time. forgot everything.[21:24:38] <Ayatolla> timed out now[21:24:41] <Ayatolla> but no ok>[21:24:44] <Ayatolla> =([21:24:49] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: and all you can do is #.?[21:24:56] <Ayatolla> jepp[21:24:57] <lewellyn> and that only brings up a login prompt?[21:25:09] <Ayatolla> mm[21:25:12] <benr> marctww: I'll be illusive. ;)[21:25:38] <lewellyn> hm. well then... :P is it powered on? are the fans going? ;)[21:25:43] * Ayatolla will get the hammer from the toolbox sson[21:25:48] <marctww> benr, which opensolaris are you running now?[21:25:58] <hrist> stop! hammertime![21:25:59] * lewellyn bets benr is on 111[21:26:05] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[21:26:13] <benr> marctww: snv_89 is the standard... snv_110 is under review.[21:26:28] *** stanojr has joined #opensolaris[21:26:34] <benr> for Joyent... I'm running 109 atm, upgrading this weekend. :)[21:26:36] <trichobezoar> review...for what?[21:26:36] <marctww> i mean as a distro?[21:26:47] <marctww> Joyent?[21:27:08] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: "is it powered on? are the fans going? ;)"[21:27:09] <Ayatolla> lewellyn no only connected via serial mgt (rj45) and the power cable in, not powered on[21:27:17] <lewellyn> hit the power switch :)[21:27:17] <Ayatolla> just powered it on now[21:27:28] <benr> trichobezoar: I'm migrating everything at Joyent to crossbow this year..... looking forward to that transition[21:27:39] <benr> crossbow rules.[21:27:41] <lewellyn> you may have new pastes for us :)[21:27:55] <Ayatolla> but i mena, what does the powering on make for difference? i still cant see any output of that[21:28:01] <Ayatolla> in in this prompt[21:28:06] <Ayatolla> not in[21:28:20] * trichobezoar shrugs... hit enter?[21:28:30] <lewellyn> why not? obp should be on ttya. that's the ok> prompt. need it powered on for obp.[21:28:47] <lewellyn> you will never get an ok> if it's not powered on[21:29:16] <Ayatolla> i dont get any more text output once i power on[21:29:20] <Ayatolla> never did[21:29:29] <lewellyn> hm. that's not at all promising...[21:29:49] <lewellyn> can you get to the sc> prompt from whichever thingy you're at? (i assume not...)[21:29:59] <crichardso> hi guys i was wondering if some one might take a look at this snippet and offer ideas i am tring to enable smb server and getting maintenance mode for the service http://pastebin.ca/1374288[21:29:59] <Ayatolla> all i can do is #. and get back to please login.. if i wait again 1-2 min i get back to #. option[21:30:08] <lewellyn> also, does the hard disk have an installed OS on it?[21:30:43] <Ayatolla> yes, but i have 4 and have messed upp the order so i have tried swapping them around[21:30:56] <Ayatolla> but i don't have any account in the installed os[21:31:05] <lewellyn> hrm. if you can get the thing to somehow boot and telnet/ssh in, we can fix this :P[21:31:10] <lewellyn> suckass.[21:31:27] <lewellyn> wonder if it falls back to netbooting if you disconnect the drives :)[21:31:29] <Berny> Ayatolla, what box you're talking about? a v880 by any chance? (or any box with an rsc card for that matter)[21:31:56] <benr> marctww: I still run SX:CE... I play with Nexenta NCP2 here and there.[21:32:05] <Ayatolla> i think i must find someone that has a sun, give him my disk so he can install os for me, then put them in and once connected via ssh with correct user/pass reset alom within os[21:32:07] <Berny> there were some issues with different patches setting the console to ttya instead of the rsc[21:32:19] <lewellyn> Berny: it's a v240. "alom, first attempt" :P[21:32:19] *** ken has quit IRC[21:32:23] <Ayatolla> Berny fire v240[21:33:01] <Berny> ah, and you're sure the os' console is set to the alom and not to cua/0?[21:33:07] * benr lunch.[21:33:18] <Ayatolla> i'm not sure about anything[21:33:21] <Berny> heh[21:33:28] <Ayatolla> and totaly new with solaris[21:33:36] <Ayatolla> whats cua/0 for dev?[21:33:37] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: no need to install, probably. try disconnecting the drives and netboot it[21:33:39] <Ayatolla> eternet?[21:33:41] <trichobezoar> so... try using the 10101 and maybe the obp uses that for i/o[21:33:50] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: that's a thought[21:33:50] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[21:33:58] <Berny> i know i wrote this down somewhere[21:34:01] <lewellyn> it'd be messed up, but meh. some people do that sort of thing :P[21:34:12] *** micols has joined #opensolaris[21:34:16] <trichobezoar> heh. its not appearing on the alom[21:34:17] <Berny> cua/0 is ttya[21:34:20] <Ayatolla> i don't get any output when i connect via 10101[21:34:22] <Berny> serial[21:34:39] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: with it actually powered on?[21:34:49] <Ayatolla> tttya = serial mgt = rj45, which i'm connected to and can see output[21:35:08] <Ayatolla> ttyb = serial 10101 = db9, i don't see anything when connected[21:36:22] <Ayatolla> lewellyn what? connect to serial 10101 when powered on?[21:36:34] <lewellyn> wow. i swear that's the first time i've gotten a non-graphics-driver-related bsod on vista sp1[21:36:34] *** ken has quit IRC[21:36:47] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: yes[21:36:53] <lewellyn> you may need to hit enter a few times[21:37:05] <lewellyn> and you may need to try more than the standard 9600 8n1[21:37:11] <Ayatolla> once tried no output, will try again now and hit enter[21:37:20] <Ayatolla> ok.. like?[21:37:22] <lewellyn> i'd be surprised if it's higher than 38400 though[21:37:34] <lewellyn> the serial on those go flaky at and above 57600, iirc[21:37:49] <lewellyn> just go up one rate at a time from 9600 :)[21:37:57] <lewellyn> hit enter a couple times and repeat[21:38:07] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:38:10] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[21:38:22] <lewellyn> may need to wait 5-10 seconds after hitting enter, in case you're at a login prompt ;)[21:39:01] <lewellyn> also, the terminal on this mac sucks. :P[21:39:04] <lewellyn> (and yay screen!)[21:39:10] <Ayatolla> :([21:39:28] <Ayatolla> trying diff bauds[21:39:38] <lewellyn> i learnt before not to change *any* settings in terminal.app on this machine. they get noticed quickly :P[21:40:40] <lewellyn> welp, guess i'll reboot into my sxce dvd and see if i can poke at my zfs again[21:40:54] *** luc^ has quit IRC[21:41:17] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:45:06] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris[21:45:43] <Berny> Ayatolla, ok another one to try: connect to the alom[21:46:26] <Berny> type: bootmode reset_nvram bootscript="setenv diag-switch? true"[21:46:30] <Berny> type reset[21:46:43] *** |coffeetime| has quit IRC[21:47:14] <Berny> this will reset the hosts nvram back to the defaults (i.e. console set to alom etc and turn on diagnostics)[21:47:41] <Berny> after the reset type type console -f to connect the alom to the console and hope for output from the host ;-)[21:48:07] <Ayatolla> Berny where in alom should i type that when i cant get a prompt? what do you mena whit connect to alom?[21:48:09] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[21:48:31] *** [lewellyn] has joined #opensolaris[21:48:35] <Berny> you get the sc> prompt right?[21:48:55] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[21:50:19] <Ayatolla> no, i don't get any prompt, see http://hoodeh.se/sun_serial_mgt.txt[21:51:49] <Berny> that looks good[21:51:58] <Ayatolla> http://hoodeh.se/sun_timeout.txt[21:52:00] <Berny> you get the alom login prompt[21:52:21] <Berny> you need a user/passwd to login and do things ;-)[21:52:24] <[lewellyn]> Berny: which *ought* to drop to obp[21:52:40] <Ayatolla> Berny thats the problem[21:52:52] <[lewellyn]> and did i miss anything from my last line till i rejoined?[21:53:21] <Berny> [lewellyn], only my hint to reset the hosts nvram from alom[21:53:56] <[lewellyn]> which apparently isn't on the v240's alom[21:54:06] <Ayatolla> =)[21:54:21] <Berny> [lewellyn], alom can only drop to obp if the hosts is powered on... you cannot poweron the host without access to the alom (unless the alom setting is auto-poweron host)[21:54:37] <[lewellyn]> or you hit the magic power button :)[21:54:46] <Berny> [lewellyn], thats ok, thats what the alom command "bootmode" is there for ;-)[21:55:13] <Berny> does the v240 have one? ;-)[21:55:20] <[lewellyn]> yup[21:55:29] <[lewellyn]> on the front, i think it is[21:55:36] <Berny> yeah that should do too[21:56:13] <Berny> problem is though if someone set the hosts console to ttyb, there won't be any output to the alom (which captures ttya)[21:56:53] <[lewellyn]> which is why i suggested trying all the baud rates on ttyb from 9600 on up ;)[21:57:03] <Berny> so assuming the worst case,i.e. full post/diag on the host you can wait for quite some time until you see anything on ttyb (hosts console) and you won't see anything on the alom side[21:57:43] <[lewellyn]> yeah. that's really a "wander off for an hour before trying things" case :P[21:58:00] <Ayatolla> what about these? http://www.sunshack.org/data/sh/2.1.2/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Devices/System_Board/SYSBD_SunFireV2x0_CPU.html[21:58:01] <Berny> iirc setting the hosts console to ttyb would send the diag messages into nowhere land[21:58:09] <Ayatolla> i have tried with jp12 but no luck[21:58:35] <CIA-33> Charles Ting <Charles.Ting at Sun dot COM>: 6802995 iSCSI Target b99 - iscsitgt doesn't work any more with the GlobalSAN initiator[21:58:54] <[lewellyn]> um. i can't copy/paste urls anymore :P[22:00:27] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[22:00:45] <Ayatolla> Berny: "you cannot poweron the host without access to the alom (unless the alom setting is auto-poweron host)" how can i get round that?[22:01:10] <Ayatolla> around[22:01:26] <Berny> Ayatolla, i forgot the v240 had a power button ;-)[22:01:27] <[lewellyn]> hit the power button ;)[22:03:08] <Ayatolla> aha, well in that case, that diden't do much for me[22:03:17] <Berny> you may try the J3 to reset the alom[22:03:23] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris[22:03:24] <Ayatolla> i don't even know if there is a os installed on the disks[22:03:37] <Berny> thatt should reset the alom setting back to factory default[22:04:01] <trichobezoar> mercury[22:04:03] <Berny> the default password would than be the last 8 characters of the chassis serial number[22:04:04] <trichobezoar> throw it on, power up.[22:04:11] <trichobezoar> that'll reset everything. boom[22:05:16] <Ayatolla> i can't be sure about anything since these 2 v240 were given to me from a government authority here in sweden, they where going to be recycled[22:05:39] <[lewellyn]> Berny: and joy ensues when it is realized that the board was swapped in from another chassis ;)[22:05:42] <Berny> try the other one ;-)[22:06:07] <Berny> [lewellyn], unlikely but possible ;-)[22:06:08] <MrStamp> how can I find out package dependencies? The gui packagemanager shows dependencies but pkg doesn't[22:06:13] *** Ayat0lla has joined #opensolaris[22:06:21] <[lewellyn]> Berny: do you remember if the v240 falls back to netbooting, by default, if there's no disk connected?[22:07:05] <[lewellyn]> "here in sweden" with a .to reverse. nice :D[22:07:18] *** fexy has quit IRC[22:07:21] <Ayat0lla> :)[22:07:53] <Berny> [lewellyn], that depends on how the boot-device was set in obp :-P[22:08:27] <Ayat0lla> its the damn cheep as isp who tries to cut down on the costs by getting cheep as african domains or similar[22:08:28] <Ayat0lla> :P[22:08:47] <Ayat0lla> cheap ass[22:09:02] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[22:09:50] <hrist> cheep as :D[22:09:55] <Ayat0lla> haha[22:10:02] <trochej> cheap as ass[22:10:07] <trochej> cheep as ass[22:10:13] <hrist> sheep ass?[22:14:20] <Ayat0lla> Berny have connect jp3 and reconnect the power, is it right that i shoulden't see any output in serial mgt while jp3 is connected?[22:15:09] <Berny> could well be[22:15:35] <Ayat0lla> ok, directly when i pulled the jp3 it started to output[22:15:55] <Ayat0lla> and now in login, admin and last 8 digits of S/N?[22:16:28] <Berny> yeah[22:16:31] <ipfw> Anyone else having issues with b110 core dumping and restarting the system.. it is an os2008.11 load update to b110 through IPS[22:16:43] <Berny> the seiral number is on a sticker on the back somewhere[22:17:33] <Berny> lemme check where exactly[22:18:00] <Berny> on the back between usb and ethernet[22:18:52] <Berny> white sticker with barcode[22:18:56] <Ayat0lla> invalid login[22:19:13] <Ayat0lla> yes, i have the same page from the manual in front of me now[22:20:17] <Ayat0lla> but the manual also says that if the admin passwd is once set, a reset won't get back the init passwd (last 8 digit of sn)[22:22:05] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[22:23:33] <Berny> hmm, the only other option coming to mind is to remove the battery[22:23:52] *** dmoerner has joined #opensolaris[22:24:26] <Ayat0lla> =)[22:25:14] *** gimonroy has quit IRC[22:25:53] <Berny> oh J8 clear cmos[22:26:10] <Berny> might be worth a try[22:27:28] *** Ayatolla has quit IRC[22:27:43] <Berny> .oO(now he reset his box :>)[22:28:07] *** mib_chqdt7 has joined #opensolaris[22:28:19] <mib_chqdt7> hello..[22:28:50] <mib_chqdt7> any known bugs about filesystem full with zfs (opensolaris 101b)?[22:29:13] <e^ipi> only what's in bugs.os.o[22:29:28] <e^ipi> but people've been using it without issue for a while[22:29:44] <e^ipi> you cannot use raidz/2 or stripes though, so you're stuck on mirrors or single disks[22:29:47] <mib_chqdt7> my pool (raidz) is 100% full, have three filesystems, with gigas and all pool is being reported as 100% used.[22:30:06] <ipfw> mib_chqdt7: b101 core dumps and restarts my box, you seen anything on that ?[22:30:37] <ipfw> Sorry, that is b110[22:30:39] <mib_chqdt7> no, restarts no.[22:30:51] *** bubbva has quit IRC[22:30:58] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[22:31:07] <mib_chqdt7> it's the second time, this problem with 100% and a few gigas on fs.[22:31:31] <mib_chqdt7> i just want to know if somebody already saw that, or know about some issue like that.[22:31:48] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[22:31:50] <e^ipi> let me understand... your disks are full[22:31:57] <e^ipi> and what's the problem?[22:32:13] <ikarius> aw crap![22:32:21] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[22:32:24] <mib_chqdt7> e^ipi: no problem man... don't want to help, do something else.[22:32:26] <ikarius> ramdiskadm doesnt seem to allow you to create a ramdisk larger than 16 gig![22:33:08] <benr> mib_chqdt7: I'll take a guess and assume that you are seeing 'zfs list' and 'zpool list' report different things?[22:33:45] <mib_chqdt7> benr: no, i'm trying to write to the pool, and the pool is reporting 100% used.[22:33:54] <ikarius> oh, my bad.... 31 gig. 32 gig and above fails.[22:33:57] <mib_chqdt7> But i have three filesystems with just a few gigas in it.[22:34:00] *** dmoerner has left #opensolaris[22:34:05] * ikarius grumbles[22:34:12] <e^ipi> mib_chqdt7: you're being a little hostile.[22:34:20] <e^ipi> mib_chqdt7: i'm trying to understand what's going on.[22:34:43] <e^ipi> what's the output of 'zpool status' and 'zfs list' ?[22:34:45] <e^ipi> pastebin[22:35:02] <mib_chqdt7> benr: i did try to search all the filesystems with du, and did not find nothing bigger than a few gigas.[22:35:29] <nrubsig> e^ipi: BTW: Try $ /usr/demo/ksh/bin/shnote put "<string>" # to send output to pastebin[22:35:32] <benr> post that output like e^ipi suggests.[22:36:00] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[22:36:40] <mib_chqdt7> ok. i'm exporting and importing. I was trying to see if that could make any diff. After that i would scrub. But the import is take too long..[22:36:43] <Ayat0lla> ohh fuck[22:36:57] <mib_chqdt7> after that i post the commands you did suggest.[22:36:58] <Ayat0lla> what does exactely Sun Cryptographic Accelerator do?[22:37:27] <jbk> it's a dedicated chip for doing common cryprographic operations[22:37:29] <hrist> accelerate cryptographic stuff[22:37:31] <e^ipi> Ayat0lla: accelerates your crypto?[22:37:32] <e^ipi> ;)[22:37:32] <hrist> :p[22:37:50] *** ipfw has quit IRC[22:37:50] <Ayat0lla> is that a optional chip or a required?[22:38:07] <jbk> optional[22:38:16] <e^ipi> i think it's part of the niagra chips though[22:38:20] <bubbva> SCA 6000 is an optional PCI card.[22:38:20] <Ayat0lla> ok cool[22:38:33] <bubbva> there is also crypto acceleration as part of the Niagara chips[22:38:35] <jbk> well they have something like that onchip[22:38:57] <Ayat0lla> just found out that it was missing in these i have and tougth for a sec that my whole issue could be related to that[22:39:04] <bubbva> but, you can still get crypto acceleration (and hardware keystore) from just SCA 6000, regardless of sparc/x86/etc[22:39:05] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[22:39:15] <jbk> it does, however, require that your application support it in some fashion -- if they use the bundled openssl, the sun crypto api, or the nss libs, they can potentially use it[22:39:49] <bubbva> right, what jbk says :-)[22:39:52] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris[22:40:05] <bubbva> btw, the sun crypto api (for userland) is PKCS#11 (RSA standard)[22:40:07] <jbk> if your application instead decides to just use it's own code *cough*oracle*cough*, you won't[22:40:30] <bubbva> so your firefox, etc, already talk this[22:40:43] <mib_chqdt7> benr: i'm using opensolaris 2008.11, if i image-update it will be updated for the last build? Or that will happen only when the next release is out?[22:41:16] <mib_chqdt7> I mean, the update is for security and bugs, or updates the build too?[22:41:23] <ceri> Anyone successfully running 2008.11 under ESX 3.5?[22:41:32] <bubbva> mib_chqdt7: you have to point to the /dev repo to get new bits[22:41:45] <benr> mib_chqdt7: it'll bring you up to current bits, whatever those are at the time, ya.[22:41:47] * bubbva found this out the hard way this week ;)[22:42:00] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[22:42:35] <jbk> ooh hail[22:42:46] <jbk> err wrong channel :)[22:42:50] <mib_chqdt7> OK, but just pointing to /dev... or i will be on b101 with just bug and security fixes. is that right?[22:43:10] *** benr has quit IRC[22:43:23] <mib_chqdt7> But when it's out the 2009.06 all the operating system will be updated (without pointing to /dev)?[22:44:23] *** myosound has quit IRC[22:44:24] <bubbva> mib_chqdt7: if you leave it pointed to the default repo, you likely will get no update - but you may get a slight update (depending on which version of 101 you installed)[22:44:32] <bubbva> as there were a cuople of respins[22:44:50] <bubbva> that repo, if i understand correctly, does not have the security fixes in there.[22:44:50] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[22:44:55] <jbk> but yes, when the next release comes out, I would expect that the default repo will contain the updates[22:45:24] <ipfw> No one else is having stability issues on b110 ?[22:45:41] <bubbva> I don't know of a repo with just those in it for now. I know we have "patch trains" of some sort, but do not believe they are accessible[22:46:29] <mib_chqdt7> it's hard to understand that opensolaris repo concepts. I would think it will be like "Debian".[22:46:45] <mib_chqdt7> some simple concepts like stable, testing and unstable.[22:46:57] <mib_chqdt7> but i think is a little differente.[22:47:00] *** ceri has quit IRC[22:47:46] <mib_chqdt7> there is a way to install a specifig build, like 105 for example? Using opensolaris, not compiling?[22:48:19] <mib_chqdt7> the pool is still importing... almost an hour! :)[22:49:19] *** LeftyBSD has joined #opensolaris[22:49:37] *** ipfw has quit IRC[22:51:54] <CosmicDJ> mib_chqdt7: fetch the iso from http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/[22:51:58] *** LeftyBSD_ has joined #opensolaris[22:52:31] *** ken has quit IRC[22:53:05] <mib_chqdt7> CosmicDJ: ?[22:53:11] <CosmicDJ> mib_chqdt7: there's just release and dev ATM, but no idea if they'll extend it[22:53:28] <CosmicDJ> "there is a way to install a specifig build, like 105 for example?" fetch the iso from genunix.org[22:53:34] *** ericjray has quit IRC[22:54:21] <mib_chqdt7> CosmicDJ: "using opensolaris" i mean, updating a installed OS.[22:55:07] *** estibi has quit IRC[22:57:34] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:58:04] <ikarius> argh. ok, so I have a machine running opensolaris with 128gig of RAM.[22:58:24] <ikarius> total: 260M allocated + 47M reserved = 307M used, 83G available[22:58:31] <ikarius> that's output from swap -s -h[22:58:45] <ikarius> I have one ramdisk created, size 32512meg[22:58:56] <ikarius> it won't let me create any additional ramdisks, not even 1g[22:59:26] <ikarius> any guesses? it's telling me I've got 83 gig available, why can I not create more ramdisks?[22:59:34] <CosmicDJ> how big is you swap-partition?[22:59:36] <CosmicDJ> +r[23:01:16] <CosmicDJ> mib_chqdt7: no idea, as I said, there's just release and "current bleeding edge" right now[23:01:21] <ikarius> swap -l -h[23:01:22] <ikarius> swapfile dev swaplo blocks free[23:01:30] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[23:01:40] <bigjocker> hi all[23:01:52] <CosmicDJ> ikarius: a number suffixed with MB or GB would also do it ;)[23:01:53] <ikarius> hmm[23:01:54] <trichobezoar> ikarius: your irc client ate it[23:02:01] <ikarius> /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap 182,2 4K 8.0G 8.0G[23:02:05] <ikarius> there we go.[23:02:16] <ikarius> ramdisks need swap space backing?[23:02:29] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[23:02:52] *** mib_chqdt7 has quit IRC[23:03:20] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[23:03:24] <CosmicDJ> ikarius: hm... no idea, but you should read the "NOTES" section of the ramdisk-manpage[23:03:52] <ikarius> AHH[23:04:01] <ikarius> rd_percent_physmem.[23:04:06] <ikarius> defaults to 25%[23:04:10] <ikarius> THERE we go![23:04:22] <bigjocker> is there an alternative to LWS for multimedia playback on opensolaris?[23:04:27] <bubbva> mib_chqdt7: check out #pkg5 for help with the repo/ips questions[23:04:52] *** MrStamp has left #opensolaris[23:05:00] <ikarius> cosmicdj: thank you very much- I was looking at "man ramdiskadm" which didnt give me anything useful in "notes"[23:05:47] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris[23:08:10] *** Odin- has quit IRC[23:08:51] <ikarius> ok, one more question..... any way to see/update the values I can adjust by editing /etc/system without rebooting?[23:09:14] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[23:09:18] <flyingparchment> ikarius: sometimes, via mdb, it depends on the value[23:09:19] <ikarius> I just checked sysdef and getconf, don't seem to find rd_percent_physmem[23:10:11] <ikarius> well, ok, in that case... the parameter I'm trying to adjust is rd_percent_physmem[23:10:33] <flyingparchment> i don't know about that one[23:10:49] <ikarius> description in the notes of "man ramdisk"[23:10:50] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[23:11:05] <ikarius> supposedly a percentage of physical memory, defaulting to 25%[23:11:22] <ikarius> I assume that what I need in /etc/system is "set rd_percent_physmem=50" ?[23:11:41] <ikarius> no indication on the ramdisk man page HOW the percentage is expressed.[23:11:59] <ikarius> I have a 20 minute reboot cycle on this box, checking 128 gig of memory takes a while[23:12:53] <flyingparchment> you could try this: mdb -kw; rd_percent_physmem/W 50[23:13:05] <flyingparchment> but it might corrupt your memory and crash the system[23:13:43] <ikarius> flyingparchment: can I read the current value?[23:13:51] <flyingparchment> rd_percenet_physmem/D[23:14:31] <ikarius> beautiful- that works.[23:15:08] <ikarius> hmm[23:15:18] <ikarius> it seems to assume I mean hex when I use /W[23:15:26] *** nprice has quit IRC[23:17:05] <flyingparchment> try /W0i25[23:17:12] <ikarius> well[23:17:50] <ikarius> not difficult, I simply adjusted the value to 32[23:17:57] <ikarius> hex for 50.[23:18:13] <ikarius> after that rd_percent_physmem/D showed 50[23:18:33] <ikarius> but it didnt appear to actually do anything. rebooting now with the line in /etc/system to reset it[23:18:37] <ikarius> we'll see what happens.[23:20:04] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[23:22:00] <Ayat0lla> Berny still around?[23:23:40] <Ayat0lla> can i boot from dvd or net on a fire v240 if i power it on without disks by default or is that a option that needs to be set in order to function?[23:24:12] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[23:24:28] <Berny> if it isn't turned off by the previous owner it should attempt a netboot if no disks present[23:24:29] <ikarius> not working either way[23:24:49] <Berny> or even cd/dvd, but depends on the settings in the obp[23:24:53] <ikarius> added the "set" statement to /etc/system, after booting, ran mdb -kw and checked, it was still set at 25[23:24:56] *** second_nick has joined #opensolaris[23:25:34] <ikarius> changing it via mdb, set it to 32, which translates to 50, no change- I still cannot create a 32 gig ramdisk[23:26:46] <ikarius> and using the /W0i25 generates a syntax error[23:26:56] <ikarius> "failed to evaluate command"[23:27:09] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[23:27:38] <Ayat0lla> Berny ok, lets presume that its not turned of by the previous owner, but in order to do a netboot i need to set up a install server, tftpd and dhcpd with pxe support right?[23:28:38] <Berny> no pxe for sparc[23:28:45] <Berny> tftpd and bootp[23:29:10] <Berny> Ayat0lla, check out jumpstart enterprise toolkit (jet) on bigadmin[23:29:15] <Ayat0lla> okey, so even more work anywho[23:29:19] <Ayat0lla> okey..[23:29:20] <Berny> makes live really easy for netboot[23:29:45] <Ayat0lla> something similar to redhad sattelite?[23:30:34] <e^ipi> i'm pretty sure that jumpstart came first[23:31:06] *** alfism has quit IRC[23:32:48] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[23:33:18] *** koan has quit IRC[23:33:27] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[23:40:50] <ikarius> OHO. looks like the docs are incorrect.[23:41:11] <e^ipi> file a docs bug[23:41:21] <ikarius> according to a couple sources, the correct bit to put in /etc/system is "set ramdisk:rd_percent_physmem=XX"[23:41:36] <ikarius> not "set rd_percent_physmem=XX"[23:42:08] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:42:25] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[23:42:44] *** bigjocker has quit IRC[23:49:28] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[23:56:09] <nrubsig> does anyone know where the componets for os-net-gatekeeping tools are in bugs.opensolaris.org's bug reporting form ?[23:56:54] *** second_nick has quit IRC[23:58:00] *** aramdune has quit IRC[23:58:37] <CIA-33> Jerry Gilliam <Jerry.Gilliam at Sun dot COM>: 6812036 /dev creat() can incorrectly return ENXIO instead of EEXIST or 0[23:58:39] <CIA-33> Garrett D'Amore <gdamore at opensolaris dot org>: 6797528 mxfe should support quiesce, 6797529 mxfe hangs in the face of rx fifo underrun[23:59:08] *** LeftyBSD has quit IRC