March 26, 2009 
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March 26, 2009 [00:00:06] <nachox> evening guys[00:01:49] <Dorfo1> i have no idea what else to try[00:01:53] <Dorfo1> let me see the logs[00:03:00] *** urbanmonk has joined #opensolaris[00:03:12] <lewellyn> the problem is that you tried things without just doing one thing, testing, reverting if it breaks something[00:04:39] <Dorfo1> my network-dns-client default log says enabled executing start method (null)[00:05:31] <seanmcg> and nsswitch.conf points uses dns ?[00:05:40] <Dorfo1> yeah[00:05:44] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[00:06:07] <Dorfo1> does inetd here need to be enabled?[00:06:35] *** ken-ae has quit IRC[00:07:02] *** _ej_ is now known as ej|sleeping[00:09:27] <seanmcg> shouldn't need to..[00:09:39] <Dorfo1> so...[00:09:52] <Dorfo1> i havent deactivated much services, only these that i listed[00:10:50] <darth4> is your network cable plugged in?[00:10:54] <darth4> :([00:11:04] <Dorfo1> hahaha ywah[00:11:05] <Dorfo1> yeah[00:11:07] <Dorfo1> sure[00:12:07] <seanmcg> and you can ping the router ?[00:12:31] <Dorfo1> nope.. that is what happens... when i ping and send one packet[00:12:31] <Dorfo1> ok[00:12:33] <Dorfo1> host is alive[00:12:57] <Dorfo1> and when i ping -s it takes looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time to respond[00:13:19] <Dorfo1> i think is when i try to navigate i get a time out...[00:13:36] <lewellyn> again, why aren't you using dhcp with a static lease? :P[00:13:45] *** derchris has quit IRC[00:13:53] <lewellyn> it really makes life MUCH simpler :P[00:14:03] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[00:14:05] <Dorfo1> i am lewellyn[00:14:19] <Dorfo1> nwam/llp is set bge0 static 192.168.1.429[00:14:32] <Dorfo1> -slash29[00:14:41] *** wbkang has quit IRC[00:14:46] <lewellyn> 429?[00:14:53] <lewellyn> and that's not dhcp if it's static[00:15:03] <lewellyn> you'd just have set bge0 dhcp[00:15:14] <lewellyn> you'd set up the static lease with the dhcp server[00:15:18] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris[00:15:41] <Dorfo1> but this way its intended to work right[00:15:42] <Dorfo1> ?[00:15:54] *** dsch04 has quit IRC[00:15:59] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris[00:16:26] <lewellyn> dhcp is the way things "just work", usually. regardless of operating system[00:16:27] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[00:16:42] <lewellyn> that's part of why dhcp has caught on[00:17:29] <lewellyn> i've seen some interesting setups with dhcp running fine. like server rooms with 3 or 4 dhcp servers for fault tolerance[00:17:37] <lewellyn> (and lots of fun synchronization stuff)[00:18:25] <lewellyn> dhcp can be looked at as "centralized network management", to some degree[00:18:28] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[00:18:34] <seanmcg> Dorfo1, 192.168.1.4/29 ? /29 ? not /24 ?[00:19:09] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:19:13] <lewellyn> yeah. that /29 may be the issue[00:19:24] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[00:19:28] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:19:50] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[00:19:54] *** TT has joined #opensolaris[00:19:56] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[00:20:06] <prav33n> Hello[00:20:13] *** ikarius has quit IRC[00:20:33] *** luc^ has quit IRC[00:20:36] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: what's your netmask supposed to be?[00:20:45] <lewellyn> 255.255.255.248?[00:20:53] <prav33n> I am trying to map of the C++ object passed as arg1 in pid:::entry to a DTrace struct[00:21:00] <prav33n> The object is passed as a reference[00:21:17] <prav33n> I am getting weird results[00:21:25] *** ericjray has quit IRC[00:21:34] <prav33n> Is there an example of something that does similar stuff?[00:23:55] *** Dorfo2 has joined #opensolaris[00:24:01] *** jamesbrink has quit IRC[00:24:45] <Dorfo2> am not even trying to resolve names... i just guess if i fix this ping issue...[00:25:43] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[00:25:54] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:26:13] *** fftb has quit IRC[00:27:38] *** gil has quit IRC[00:27:52] <jamesd_> prav33n: have you tried sending the output through c++filt[00:28:29] <nachox> prav33n, the problem is that the c++ compiler mangles function names, you need to filter those[00:28:47] <lewellyn> 16:22 < lewellyn> Dorfo1: what's your netmask supposed to be?[00:28:47] <lewellyn> 16:22 < lewellyn> 255.255.255.248?[00:28:54] <prav33n> I don't have any problem with the probe names[00:28:57] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[00:29:01] <prav33n> I already did the mangling part correctly[00:29:04] <prav33n> The probes are fired[00:29:26] <nachox> you need to demangle them :P[00:29:33] <prav33n> But I have problems in translating the arg1 C++ object into a dtrace string[00:29:54] <prav33n> nachox, I have to mangle it to give to dtrace[00:29:56] <xtrondo> Dorfo2: as lewellyn mentioned are you sure your netmask is /29? that will only give you 5 hosts with broadcast address @ 192.168.1.7 if your router is .1[00:30:16] <nachox> and you need to demangle it to understand the results[00:30:28] <lewellyn> xtrondo: 4 hosts[00:30:32] <prav33n> nachox, I am not even printing any function names[00:30:36] <lewellyn> 3, really[00:30:45] <jamesd_> prav33n: perhaps you can work back from a ustack trace or store something reconizable in the struct, yes it breaks the idea of no changes in your code, jost not sure how to go from c++ objects to something human readalbe[00:30:46] <lewellyn> 6 - network - broadcast - router[00:30:48] <prav33n> Okay... I am aware of mangling/demangling part[00:31:38] <nachox> e^ipi might know better[00:32:53] <prav33n> http://www.pastebin.ca/1372280[00:33:08] <prav33n> I have posted a snippet of the dtrace code[00:33:08] *** bgupta has quit IRC[00:33:21] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[00:33:55] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[00:34:16] <prav33n> I am getting weird results in the length and address[00:34:31] <prav33n> I want someone to say that if I am doing the translation properly here...[00:35:17] <nachox> does solaris have something like address space layout randomization?[00:35:56] *** TT has quit IRC[00:36:07] *** Dorfo1 has quit IRC[00:37:07] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[00:37:48] <seanmcg> prav33n, is the app a 32bit one ? and you running it on a 64bit OS ? (what does isainfo say)[00:37:58] <prav33n> Okay[00:38:03] <prav33n> App is 32 bit[00:38:07] <prav33n> Kernel is 64[00:38:29] *** Dorfo1 has joined #opensolaris[00:38:32] <seanmcg> try the dtrace script again with -32 as an option[00:38:50] <Dorfo1> ?[00:39:15] <prav33n> seanmcg, I will do that[00:40:36] *** jfisc has quit IRC[00:40:58] <prav33n> seanmcg, Adding -32 to my shebang makes my script to complain[00:41:00] <Dorfo1> any suggestion for my issue?[00:41:04] <prav33n> Is there a pragma?[00:41:16] <prav33n> #!/usr/sbin/dtrace -32 -s[00:41:31] <nrubsig> does anyone know which device is used on a plain PC for CDROM ?[00:41:34] <prav33n> And I get dtrace: no probes specified[00:41:54] <nrubsig> hald is somehow broken and I need the rdsk device which is fed to mount...[00:42:05] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: did you not see what i typed and then repasted, and the ensuing conversation about your issue? :P[00:42:21] <seanmcg> nrubsig, cdrw -l may tell you[00:43:30] <seanmcg> sorry prav33n don't know if theres a pragma.[00:44:00] <Dorfo1> nope my isp woes me[00:44:03] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[00:44:22] <nachox> nrubsig, rmformat will work too[00:45:02] <prav33n> seanmcg, No problem... I will try some other alternative[00:46:19] *** rv- has quit IRC[00:46:37] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: http://nopaste.info/f61b048642.html[00:46:43] <Dorfo1> ok[00:46:53] <Dorfo1> lemme see[00:47:24] <Dorfo1> yeah my netmask is that[00:47:28] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[00:47:33] <nachox> nrubsig, btw, sorry about the earlier flamewar, i never thought telling someone that criticizing someone else would make them react like that...[00:47:36] <Dorfo1> router is .1[00:47:37] <lewellyn> so you have 3 computers + a router?[00:47:43] <prav33n> What does arg1 represent in a pid:::entry probe when the first argument to the function is a reference to C++ object?[00:47:50] <Dorfo1> yeah[00:47:50] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris[00:47:55] <lewellyn> so you have .1, .2, .3, .4?[00:48:00] <lewellyn> and nothing else?[00:48:00] <Dorfo1> yeah[00:48:06] <Kush-> hey, will acrobat be included in the next build?[00:48:07] <Dorfo1> nothing else[00:48:07] <lewellyn> why?[00:48:08] <prav33n> Is it a pointer to an object or a pointer to a pointer to an object?[00:48:20] <nrubsig> nachox: AFAIK the trouble is always that Schilly finds the weak spot of people and then starts hurting them there.[00:48:28] *** Dorfo2 has quit IRC[00:48:30] <Dorfo1> i just have a small network here...[00:48:37] <Dorfo1> im have my ps3 too...[00:48:42] <nrubsig> nachox: He only needed _one_ email to really _HURT_ Glenn Fowler deeply.[00:48:42] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: you're 120% positive that your router is set up on a /29 for the lan side?[00:48:45] <Dorfo1> which is not on at this moment[00:48:49] <Dorfo1> yeah[00:48:52] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris[00:48:59] <nachox> nrubsig, today? which one?[00:49:05] * lewellyn thinks a /29 is a bad choice[00:49:09] <Dorfo1> i can ping from this machine i am now[00:49:15] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: you may neet to set up /etc/netmasks[00:49:19] <nrubsig> nachox: the one where he re-wrote the history of "pax".[00:49:26] <Dorfo1> its all set[00:49:43] <Dorfo1> 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.248[00:49:50] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[00:50:10] <nachox> nrubsig, ohh, right, i chimed in right after that saying that the argument was worthless and to just go through arc with the alternatives[00:50:11] <nrubsig> Ok... how do I mount a SPARC SXCE disk on SXCE x86 ?[00:50:11] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: honestly, i think your configuration is non-standard enough that it'll be hard to help you if you don't know how to do wire-level diagnostics to see what's going on[00:50:37] <jbk> didn't david korn more or less reply in turn that he (or at least star) could be replaced by a simple shells script? :)[00:50:52] <nachox> yep :P[00:50:54] <Dorfo1> lewellyn i sniffed the traffic here[00:51:01] <Dorfo1> my box (.2) this one[00:51:04] <Dorfo1> is a freebsd[00:51:08] <Dorfo1> its ok[00:51:18] <Dorfo1> and the .3 (my moms) a ubuntu[00:51:22] <seanmcg> nrubsig, ufs ? you can't. big/little endian.[00:51:27] <Dorfo1> all them pings my router[00:51:30] <Dorfo1> and each other[00:51:38] <nachox> hmm, i think sparc sxce cds are sliced[00:52:01] <nrubsig> seanmcg: I want to setup an install sever, plain ISO9660 DVD image.[00:52:05] <seanmcg> nrubsig, though there may be a hacked lofi driver to get around that (don't know where though)[00:52:17] *** crink has joined #opensolaris[00:52:17] <nrubsig> seanmcg: it worked in B106[00:52:19] <nrubsig> er[00:52:22] <nrubsig> B84 I mean[00:52:44] <Dorfo1> lewellyn http://nopaste.info/5400a2071a.html[00:53:05] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris[00:53:14] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[00:53:23] *** nrubsig changes topic to "OpenSolaris Annual Meeting is on #opensolaris-meeting | SXCE 110, ON 110, IPS 109 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/"[00:54:07] <lewellyn> where's this thread you guys are talking about?[00:54:25] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: that's way insufficient data[00:55:05] <nachox> lewellyn, ??[00:55:23] <Dorfo1> lewellyn which data do you need?[00:57:13] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: i'm not going to analyze your network's data for you, but i suspect that something thinks you're on a /24[00:57:14] *** nage_ has joined #opensolaris[00:57:27] <nrubsig> Ok, I am getting mad here.[00:57:37] <lewellyn> nachox: it sounds like you guys are talking about a discussion thread somewhere that may be an interesting read[00:58:26] <nrubsig> is there any open bug about hald or dvd reciognition problems in B110 ?[00:58:32] <CIA-33> meem <Peter.Memishian at Sun dot COM>: 6664591 ill_phyint_reinit() has incorrect check for loopback, 6820581 PHYI_RUNNING rises from the dead during IP address migration[00:58:33] <CIA-33> Reza Sabdar <Reza.Sabdar at Sun dot COM>: 6820983 AmberRoad NDMP: bakbone netvault still not labeling tapes, 6813224 ndmpd should save raw zfs properties, not human-readable form, 6812208 NDMP : 'ndmpd' core reported during restore[00:58:40] <nachox> lewellyn, osol-discuss, but it wasnt an interesting read, schilly was being his usual self and someone called jennifer was not being constructive either[00:58:42] *** kate21de has quit IRC[00:58:49] <jamesd_> /me relises why i wanted to forget about c++... one 5 line program only causes 1000's of function calls. and i don't even print anything[00:59:03] <timeless_mbp> heh[00:59:05] <nachox> jamesd_, :)[00:59:29] *** mikefut has quit IRC[00:59:55] <lewellyn> nachox: oh bah[01:00:34] <nachox> i think i wasnt contributing anything either :P[01:01:13] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[01:02:25] *** sactodave1 has joined #opensolaris[01:04:28] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris[01:05:59] <nachox> crap, what should i use to play a regular audio cd in solaris?[01:06:09] <lewellyn> which solaris?[01:06:13] *** axisys has quit IRC[01:06:31] *** dsch04 has quit IRC[01:06:39] <nachox> opensolaris[01:06:46] <nrubsig> Does anyone know how I can mount a CD manually on Solaris ?[01:07:06] <nrubsig> Sounds like a dumb question but someone I am missing here a detail.[01:07:10] <lewellyn> nachox: doesn't it come with one?[01:07:23] <nrubsig> Hardware is VMware DVD and the VM runs B110[01:07:27] <lewellyn> nrubsig: it doesn't automount? or did you kill the automounter?[01:07:49] <nrubsig> doesn't automount[01:07:55] <nrubsig> hald is running[01:08:43] <seanmcg> nrubsig, does rmformat tell you the device ?[01:08:53] <nachox> lewellyn, known bug it appears, i'm missing a gstreamer plugin[01:08:55] <lewellyn> well, mount its slice 2 as -F cdfs, if rmformat sees it[01:09:02] <lewellyn> nachox: there's always workman[01:09:12] <lewellyn> nachox: i've not tried compiling it on newer than solaris 10 tho :)[01:09:29] <nrubsig> seanmcg: first it does, now it outputs nothing[01:09:36] <nrubsig> I am now trying # touch /reconfigure; init 6 #[01:09:39] <nachox> nrubsig, i told you rmformat will tell you what device you need, sparc cds have two slices iirc, you need the 2nd one[01:09:46] <seanmcg> just devfsadm -Cv[01:10:09] <seanmcg> instead of touch /reconfigure && init 6..[01:11:01] <nachox> lewellyn, i need /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcddasrc.so[01:11:30] * seanmcg is away: sleeep[01:11:33] <nachox> noone happens to have an old build like b103 or b102 right? that one has it[01:11:37] <nrubsig> nachox: it reported a name the first time but the 2nd time the name was gone.[01:11:53] <nrubsig> seanmcg: I just want to be sure.[01:12:00] <nrubsig> seanmcg: thefore win32-style "reboot"[01:12:16] <lewellyn> nachox: um. i have no builds handy atm :([01:13:53] <nachox> crap, i guess no cd playback for me[01:14:03] <lewellyn> nachox: compile workman? :D[01:14:18] <lewellyn> or use realplayer. i think that does cd audio[01:14:27] *** mitrox has quit IRC[01:15:17] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[01:15:24] <nachox> let me download it :P[01:16:20] <nachox> it's from '97 :)[01:16:23] *** Dorfo2 has joined #opensolaris[01:19:33] *** lewellyn^ has quit IRC[01:20:05] <jamesd_> nachox: i think xmms can do it.. though i haven't played a cd back on a computer for years.. unless ripping and playing counts[01:20:33] <nachox> nothing that depends on gstreamer for cds will do[01:20:45] <psychicist> achox: well, you can be masochist or get it from here, http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/?category=realplay-sun-release ;)[01:21:16] <lewellyn> nachox: workman is hideously ugly and old. but i've used it at least back to 2.4. maybe even 2.1 :)[01:22:35] *** Dorfo2 has quit IRC[01:23:38] <psychicist> nachox: https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads/, for solaris too[01:23:40] *** capaz has quit IRC[01:23:57] <nachox> thanks psychicist[01:24:08] <lewellyn> nachox: sxce comes with realplayer ;)[01:24:42] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[01:24:43] <jamesd_> thats because jonathan is a real player... the chicks dig the ponytail[01:24:56] <jamesd_> ;-)[01:25:10] <nachox> lewellyn, sxcd is a >4gb download most of which i wont use and needs another >4gb download for every upgrade[01:25:48] <nachox> *sxce[01:26:20] <lewellyn> jamesd_: haha[01:26:40] <lewellyn> nachox: but you don't have to deal with things like this. it's already there and "just works" ;)[01:26:59] <nrubsig> grrr... fixed the cdrom issue by moving back to the last VMware snapshot[01:27:08] *** Dorfo1 has quit IRC[01:28:21] <nachox> nrubsig, why are you using vmware? we have boot environments now :)[01:28:34] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:30:56] <nrubsig> nachox: because kernel development is easier if you can recover via VMware snapshots[01:31:12] <nrubsig> nachox: the snapshots cover the runtime state of the VM, too.[01:31:24] *** urbanmonk has quit IRC[01:31:37] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[01:31:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[01:32:11] <lewellyn> nrubsig has a point there[01:34:49] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[01:35:06] <RyShask_> tmtowtdi![01:35:22] <RyShask_> best acronym ever... becuase acronyms suck[01:35:34] <lewellyn> RyShask_: that's what i respond to people who ask why i don't do things in perl ;)[01:35:37] <nachox> lewellyn, how do you play cds with realplayer?[01:35:39] <lewellyn> pisses em off[01:35:42] <RyShask_> heh[01:35:48] <RyShask_> well, don't get me wrong. I fucking love perl[01:35:49] <lewellyn> nachox: um. i can't check since i have no working sxce atm :P[01:36:04] <RyShask_> I'm goin to have to learn python soon here though.[01:36:06] <nachox> why? how could you break solaris?!![01:36:14] <nachox> :P[01:36:33] <lewellyn> nachox: i broke zfs :D[01:36:47] <lewellyn> and zdb is confusing me[01:36:54] <nachox> ohh, not funny[01:37:27] <lewellyn> i just want to grab some diffs from my homedir that i hadn't yet backed up to my nfs homedir :P[01:37:54] <lewellyn> it'd be "nice" to grab a couple of .* things from ~, too[01:38:11] <RyShask_> btw...[01:38:17] <RyShask_> good to be here and not austin... GOD[01:38:21] <lewellyn> hahaha[01:38:45] <RyShask_> if you like to drink or big highways it's perfect for you[01:39:24] <lewellyn> and big cars and big cars and big hats[01:39:32] <RyShask_> the only prius we saw was from california.[01:39:45] <RyShask_> everything else was some huge POS automatic.[01:39:47] *** stewart has quit IRC[01:40:34] <e^ipi> RyShask_: the '10 priuses are all auto[01:40:37] <e^ipi> so's the insight[01:40:43] <e^ipi> CVT, but automatic nonetheless[01:40:55] <RyShask_> are priuses HUGE too?[01:41:01] <RyShask_> "HUGE POS"[01:41:18] <RyShask_> I think the prius is a small POS[01:41:19] <RyShask_> :)[01:41:22] <jbk> RyShask_: not a fan of austin?[01:41:26] <RyShask_> phew[01:41:30] <RyShask_> boy howdy[01:41:41] <RyShask_> the only thing I liked was the people.[01:41:46] <RyShask_> and the 15 year old girls dressed as if they are 25.[01:41:57] <jbk> haha[01:42:05] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[01:42:47] *** ranks has joined #opensolaris[01:43:08] *** ricardo-vlh has quit IRC[01:43:14] <RyShask_> "why are there so many cute girls here? Oooh they are 15 and unsupervised but are trying to look like they are in their 20's."[01:43:28] <jbk> austin's fun[01:43:36] <RyShask_> if you like to drink[01:43:53] <RyShask_> guess I need trees[01:44:02] <e^ipi> i dislike trees[01:44:06] <e^ipi> i also dislike open spaces[01:44:07] <RyShask_> lol[01:44:15] <e^ipi> were it not for the cold, i think i might like new york[01:44:26] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[01:44:41] <lewellyn> e^ipi: um. how about los angeles? :)[01:44:54] <e^ipi> never been[01:45:15] <e^ipi> except the airport[01:45:24] <lewellyn> you can travel all day and not see more than the token tree :)[01:45:52] <jbk> haha[01:46:07] <jbk> i do need to get back to austin.. haven't been in a year[01:46:22] <jbk> and it's only 2 1/2 hours away[01:46:43] <RyShask_> I'll go to l.a. when they open the high speed rail... ( never )[01:47:11] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[01:47:51] *** cwebber has quit IRC[01:48:19] <nachox> i was sure xmms would not compile :P[01:48:50] <nachox> sys/audioio.h was not found[01:50:10] <e^ipi> LA doesn't have mass transit?[01:50:29] <e^ipi> i thought they had a subway[01:50:29] <jbk> it does, but probably like the transportation here[01:50:33] <jbk> not very effective[01:50:56] <jbk> here at least[01:51:08] <jbk> all public transportation is predicated on the idea you only want to go to downtown[01:51:20] <jamesd_> they have one light rail thing that goes in a tunnel, but i wouldn't take it without a knife and an m16 and a pit bull by your side.[01:51:26] <e^ipi> eh, vancouver has an idiotic raised-track light rail system that costs 10x as much to run as it ought to[01:51:47] <e^ipi> i still maintain they should've just dug a subway[01:52:09] <RyShask_> all public transit seems to be predicated on the following "You don't have a choice, so you aren't going to provide a worthwhile experirence"[01:52:27] <RyShask_> e^ipi: sounds like seattle.[01:52:47] <e^ipi> well, the vancouver public transit system is actually pretty good[01:52:53] <e^ipi> it just costs a lot[01:53:05] <RyShask_> aaahh fucking sweet. I already re-ordered these nics via /etc/path_to_inst.[01:53:08] <e^ipi> ( in homeowner & gas taxes)[01:53:13] <RyShask_> I thought I was goin to ahve to figure this out. ( machines in austin ) :)[01:53:14] <lewellyn> jbk: that's where san francisco's transit wins. it's predicated on the idea you want to stay the hell away from downtown unless you're a tourist ;)[01:53:23] <RyShask_> Heh[01:53:30] <RyShask_> san francisco = the lose[01:53:43] <RyShask_> except along the peirs[01:53:45] <RyShask_> piers[01:53:49] <lewellyn> that's touristville[01:53:55] <RyShask_> I fuckign love it[01:53:56] <RyShask_> :)[01:54:00] <RyShask_> I like looking at the tourists.[01:54:15] <lewellyn> took the bunnies to the vet today. very easy on muni: 38L to the 28. 2 mins to transfer.[01:54:33] <lewellyn> not significantly slower than driving. and faster since you don't have to find parking.[01:54:38] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[01:54:50] <lewellyn> parking in san francisco is fail.[01:54:54] <jamesd_> sorry have to go there.. did you hear about the guy that took bart accross the bay.. yeah they arrested him for kidnapping[01:54:58] <RyShask_> okay I'm burnt. I'm outta here.[01:55:09] <lewellyn> RyShask_: come fix my zfs :([01:55:11] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[01:55:12] <RyShask_> lol[01:55:15] <RyShask_> zfs :/[01:55:21] <RyShask_> I'm praying it doesn't blow up in my face.[01:55:36] <lewellyn> i am thinking i'm going to use a ufs root when i reinstall[01:55:42] *** backblue has quit IRC[01:56:53] <jamesd_> lewellyn: did you have a drive die that caused your problems?[01:56:57] <RyShask_> remember, april 3rd. fast & furious. best movie ever!!!![01:57:26] <lewellyn> jamesd_: no. i sector copied the partition elsewhere, keeping its same partition number in the mbr[01:57:32] <lewellyn> it's very displeased with me now[01:58:30] <CIA-33> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Sun dot COM>: 6816409 mutex_lock() for process robust mutex could not return EOWNERDEAD with 137111-01 or later[01:59:15] <jamesd_> lewellyn: next time you should use zfs send/recv[01:59:37] <lewellyn> jamesd_: for moving the partition on the same physical disk?[01:59:56] <jamesd_> yes.. its designed for moving zfs filesystems[02:00:33] <lewellyn> how would i have done this? i moved the partition's bytes and updated the partition table to its new location[02:01:33] <jamesd_> zfs send pool/filesystem > /somehwherelse.file ; re-arrange the partiotion.. create new pool, cat zfs recv pool IIRC[02:01:55] <jamesd_> er cat /sinewherele.file[02:02:10] <lewellyn> i didn't have the freespace anywhere handy to do that for one. and could i blow away the rpool with recv?[02:02:25] <lewellyn> zfs send rpool is what i would have needed[02:03:28] <jamesd_> lewellyn: really i would of just grabbed the impotant bits /etc /export/home and perhaps /opt and /usr/local quite possibly it could of fit on a DVD[02:03:36] <jamesd_> then do a reinstall[02:04:30] <lewellyn> jamesd_: i've done this successfully with every other filesystem type in the past. i wouldn't expect zfs to puke on it.[02:04:59] <lewellyn> so, ufs root upon reinstall[02:05:15] <nachox> lewellyn, i got pissed and ripped it to wma :)[02:06:08] <lewellyn> nachox: haha[02:06:41] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[02:06:46] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[02:07:21] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[02:07:37] *** proberts has quit IRC[02:07:51] <jamesd_> lewellyn: i think it heard somewhere that zfs uses sector number in its calculation, but i can't remember where i heard such a thing.[02:09:23] <nachox> cool, these wma files crash mplayer[02:10:59] <lewellyn> jamesd_: it's the latest in a string of things that have pissed me off about zfs.[02:11:04] <lewellyn> so i'm going back to ufs for now[02:11:20] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[02:12:17] <nachox> lewellyn, LU is painful in ufs[02:12:34] *** Kush- has left #opensolaris[02:12:37] <jamesd_> lewellyn: may be best.. but i love the lu thing with ZFS...totally rocks[02:12:48] <lewellyn> nachox: i'm used to it :)[02:13:30] *** Garcon_ has quit IRC[02:13:31] <lewellyn> my only solaris 10 box with a zfs root had a disk failure. so it's never been LUed and won't be ;)[02:13:33] *** alain10 has quit IRC[02:13:53] <lewellyn> my only experience with LU and ZFS has been with SXCE[02:14:00] <jamesd_> lewellyn: might be wise to pick up a pair of 256GB or larger drives.. setup zfs root/mirrored and don't play games with zfs.. it works much better when you do thing by the book.[02:14:18] *** bengtf has quit IRC[02:14:23] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:14:26] * nachox agrees[02:14:40] <lewellyn> jamesd_: 1) the server is a v100. no 48-bit lba. 2) my laptop supports 1 drive, only. and i'm not swapping hard disks to reboot :P[02:15:01] <nachox> lewellyn, and if you want to do something odd with your sxce just create a new be[02:15:30] <lewellyn> nachox: i wanted to move the partition so i could use the free space on the disk effectively[02:15:51] <lewellyn> it had a bunch of gigs on either side of it and no free partition entries :P[02:16:08] <nachox> well, now you have the chance to create a new partition you broke you're zfs and are reinstalling[02:16:47] <jamesd_> lewellyn: all the better, just find a pair of 80-100GB ide drives should be a dime a dozen, and use those for root/boot.. the laptp is best to use an external sata enclosure and attach to the root pool should the main drive fail.. just swap out the drive.[02:18:02] <lewellyn> nachox: i plan to do it ;)[02:18:25] <jamesd_> on the laptop you reattach the sata drive once a day or week and resync, so if main drive fails you have lost less than a weeks work[02:18:32] <nachox> FINALLY i can listen to my new cd...[02:18:42] <lewellyn> nachox: that's a pleasant side-effect. i was considering reformatting anyhow due to my growing distaste towards zfs[02:19:07] <nachox> i wouldnt switch from zfs to ufs even if you paid me[02:19:10] <lewellyn> jamesd_: i just copy stuff to my nfs homedir *shrug*[02:19:59] <lewellyn> i only wanted to recover a few files to save some hours not re-porting a piece of software. but it's at the point where it'd be faster to redo the work than recover the diff[02:20:09] <nachox> probably[02:20:22] <nachox> why didnt you backup before doing what you did?[02:20:30] <lewellyn> since i idiotically forgot to copy it to my network homedir[02:20:37] <nachox> oh :)[02:20:40] <lewellyn> nachox: because i brainfarted?[02:20:50] <nachox> it happens to the best of us[02:21:52] <lewellyn> i may look at converting back to zfs in the future (yay being able to), but right now, it's proving to be more headache than timesavings[02:22:01] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:22:17] *** stevel_ has quit IRC[02:22:30] <nachox> trust me, plan before, keep using zfs, you'll thank me later...[02:22:39] <prav33n> I have figured out the solution for the dtrace C++ argument parsing myself by trial and error[02:22:40] <prav33n> http://www.pastebin.ca/1372408[02:22:49] <prav33n> Thanks for those who tried to answer[02:23:06] <prav33n> The issue was because the first argument is actually arg2 instead of arg1[02:23:17] <prav33n> I don't understand this behavior, but it works[02:23:20] <prav33n> Thanks again[02:23:35] <nachox> interesting[02:24:54] <prav33n> Yeah, I have other probes in the same script where the first argument is arg1[02:25:06] <prav33n> I am not sure if this has something to do with a templatized class[02:25:31] <prav33n> The only difference between these two cases is that the first one is templatized whereas the second one is not[02:27:07] <jamesd_> nachox: i agree.. zfs keeps getting cooler... logzillas, snapshots, clones, nautilus intergrations, zones, live upgrade, it totally changes how we deal with the filesystem.[02:28:51] <nachox> jamesd, zfs even makes sense in my laptop, for example, yesterday i wanted to try kde in opensolaris, normally i would have broken lots of stuff to get it working and i'd had to reinstall to get back to normal, yesterday, i created a new BE, broke at will, tested and deleted the BE[02:29:28] <Plazma> BE?[02:29:31] <Plazma> why does that sound familiar[02:29:36] <nachox> boot environments[02:29:40] <nachox> because of beadm[02:29:44] <Plazma> ohh[02:29:50] <Plazma> i guess im a bit out of date these days[02:30:13] <jamesd_> nachox: yeap.. i installed 10 recomended on a my coworkers workstation.. only downtime on it.. was 10 minutes to reboot, the other workstation i patched was offline for 3-4 hours.[02:30:17] *** sactodave1 has quit IRC[02:31:44] <nachox> LU suddenly got a lot more affordable, no more planning ahead[02:33:22] <lewellyn> nachox: time slider filled my disk. i had to delete all my snapshots, about 12gb of files, AND a BE to create any disk space. :P[02:33:33] <lewellyn> then i suddenly had like 30gb[02:33:46] <nachox> ohh, i dont use time slider[02:34:08] <jamesd_> yeah, zfs is scaring symantec, i went to a symtec/clustering dog and pony show and they used about 20minutes trying to convince us that they were faster than ZFS, except for the price of the storage license alone i could attach SSD's that totally make my sata drives 1000's times faster than what they offered[02:34:22] *** alfism has quit IRC[02:34:27] <lewellyn> i'm going to give zfs a few more months to mature before i go back to it[02:34:37] <lewellyn> i don't dispute that it's really cool. but it's also not quite ready for me[02:34:50] <Plazma> i wish my company would have chosen to give me $$ to buy a thumper[02:34:57] <Plazma> replace our clarion with it[02:35:07] * lewellyn has two rabbits looking up at him for treats[02:35:15] <lewellyn> those count as thumpers? ;)[02:35:27] <jamesd_> no they are just twitterpated[02:35:32] <nachox> jamesd, the only real problem i have with zfs is that i am really scared to fill the disk, i've heard people who had problems deleting files after the disk was full[02:35:55] <lewellyn> nachox: its behavior borders on "undefined" when it fills :P[02:35:59] <Plazma> instead we had to go to an IBM solution.. a netapp[02:36:02] <Plazma> dataontap is ass[02:36:12] <Plazma> especially when your forced to mix security styles . or attempt to[02:36:16] <lewellyn> cat /dev/zero > /some/big/file # this doesn't even free space like it should.[02:36:41] <jamesd_> nachox: that is why you setup quotas... and have monitoring your mail box should be full of critical allerts by the time it gets to 98% full.[02:36:51] <nachox> lewellyn, cow in action[02:36:52] <Plazma> i get anal when it gest to 90[02:37:02] <Plazma> hell 85 makes me a tad uneasy[02:37:26] <nachox> jamesd, i tend to keep the disk a bit more than half full at most[02:37:39] <lewellyn> i don't like my filesystem getting full. but it happens, even with the best planning. especially if you don't realize that time slider is very aggressive at eating space :P[02:37:58] <nachox> lewellyn, get a decent cvs already :P[02:38:19] <lewellyn> nachox: ? what's that have to do with turning on a new feature to play with it[02:38:22] <lewellyn> ?[02:38:35] <lewellyn> i was all "ooh! shiny! that's where it is, and people have been talking about it!"[02:38:53] <lewellyn> next day, it had eaten 15 gigs of space[02:39:04] <lewellyn> i don't know how, and i'm unlikely to try it again soon[02:39:18] *** ranks has quit IRC[02:39:38] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[02:39:57] <Plazma> lewellyn, yea.. it really depends.. i just get uneasy @ 85.. because of those jumps.. some joe-user can decide to export 15GB of model/graphics files in a heartbeat[02:40:06] <Plazma> or decide to render on the wrong area[02:40:45] <nachox> 5 out of 10 are decent songs, i was lucky[02:41:05] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[02:41:18] <Plazma> yea.. i had the pleasure of learning all about cvs.. and i gotta say, it's old but i like it[02:41:23] <Plazma> granted i have no clue how svn or hte others work[02:41:32] <lewellyn> until zfs at least, *by default*, makes it hard to fill the disk to 100% accidentally (like almost every other operating system), i'm not sold on it.[02:41:49] <jamesd_> lewellyn: you just need to tune down the snapshots... or just snapshot stuff you care about.. not /var /tmp /var/tmp and only take hourly snapshots unless you have space to burn[02:41:50] <nachox> jamesd, they were trying to sell you veritas?[02:42:01] <jbk> heh[02:42:12] <lewellyn> jamesd_: i turned on the feature in the gui and left it overnight :P[02:42:15] <jbk> vxfs had a bug where if you filled up the filesystem (it didn't stop you either)[02:42:19] <jbk> it would corrupt it[02:42:20] <jamesd_> nachox: clustering, and CFS, and storage foundation[02:42:25] <jbk> requiring a full restore[02:42:27] <nachox> CFS?[02:42:31] <lewellyn> jbk: i said "almost" :)[02:42:37] <nachox> oh, cluster fs, the veritas kind[02:42:40] <jamesd_> nachox: cluster filesystems[02:43:09] <jbk> heh[02:43:11] <jbk> 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<nachox> if it's a better solution and i have the cash, then i'd go with the better solution...[02:47:03] <jamesd_> nachox: yeah i know.. just the other day i made a mistake and init 6 a global with only one zone running, each zone had its only SAN disk using vxvm/vxfs for storage.. took me an hour to fix the box and get it booted again.. zfs never gave me that kind of trouble.[02:47:08] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[02:47:23] <nachox> OUCH![02:47:26] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[02:47:57] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[02:49:03] <nachox> veritas is still decent though[02:49:38] <jamesd_> the commands all ran quickly on vxvm once i figured out the magic... but really veritas needs a recover wizzard so i can just do vxwizzrd -g diskgroup and it could figure out the magic of vxmend -g diskgroup fix stale; vxmend -g diskgroup fix clean ; vxvol plex start crap... so i do't have to google it all[02:50:37] <nachox> i think that after zfs you're spoiled :P[02:51:27] 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opensolaris.org[03:55:53] <ShadowHntr> but once i zlogin to the zone[03:55:59] <ShadowHntr> it can't find my home directories[03:56:41] *** nage_ has quit IRC[03:58:33] <CIA-33> lucy wang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <xiuyan.wang at Sun dot COM>: 6812228 No need to do software checksum for multiple-mblk packets in ip_tcp_input(), 6694625 Performance falls off the cliff with large IO sizes, PSARC/2009/039 prefetch interfaces, 6812282 PSARC 2009/039 prefetch interfaces, Contributed by Paul Durrant (pdurrant at solarflare dot com)[03:59:14] *** s1gn4lb0y has joined #opensolaris[04:02:53] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[04:04:04] *** Gkarr has quit IRC[04:05:34] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[04:08:21] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[04:09:43] *** felipe_ has quit IRC[04:29:04] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:30:20] *** linma has quit IRC[04:30:45] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[04:33:06] *** infomomo has quit IRC[04:35:44] *** Sharpnz has joined #opensolaris[04:42:46] *** 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I add a reference to AL Quieck-Quack[05:16:13] *** j0nas has quit IRC[05:17:17] <lewellyn> nrubsig: is 111 available? ;)[05:19:02] <nrubsig> lewellyn: no, I just uploaded a fake version which contains 111 versions of the same flash worm virus.[05:19:41] <nrubsig> (ok, that joke wins this months award for being silly)[05:19:52] <lewellyn> you can't award it to yourself :P[05:19:55] <boyd> Still a few days to go :)[05:19:59] <nrubsig> s/months/month's/[05:20:09] <boyd> (How's it going nrubsig?)[05:20:24] <lewellyn> but if 111 isn't available, i'm sure people will object when you update /topic ;)[05:20:27] <nrubsig> lewellyn: Ok, I hereby promote you to the officer of the guard of bad jokes lottery[05:20:47] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[05:20:56] <lewellyn> woo![05:21:17] <nrubsig> lewellyn: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b111/[05:21:23] <jbk> does that mean i'm demoted?[05:21:25] *** nrubsig changes topic to "OpenSolaris Annual Meeting is on #opensolaris-meeting | SXCE 110, ON 111, IPS 109 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/"[05:21:47] <nrubsig> jbk: no no, you're now a vice president.[05:22:30] <lewellyn> nrubsig: sadly, ON doesn't really do me much good atm :P[05:22:42] <nrubsig> lewellyn: why ?[05:23:57] <lewellyn> i can't really just burn it to dvd and install it ;)[05:24:40] <lewellyn> i plan on playing with ON in the not-too-distant future. but i have other things that are higher on the priority list[05:24:43] <nrubsig> boyd: no job, forced community service from 7am-19pm (which prevents me from contributing to OpenSolaris.org), no money left, jet lag and a itching stuff neck.[05:24:58] *** jamesbrink has joined #opensolaris[05:25:11] <g4lt-lappy> nrubsig, wuss ;P[05:25:26] <jamesbrink> has anyone managed to install vlc on opensolaris 2008.11?[05:26:10] <boyd> nrubsig: Forced community service? I take it that's in order to be paid, rather than because you committed a crime?[05:26:14] <lewellyn> jamesbrink: you should be able to install it via SFE[05:27:04] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:27:06] <nrubsig> boyd: it means I don't have a job and since I have a wife+baby I have to get money from somewhere - the state gives you money if you#re willing to cleanup streets+toilets[05:27:18] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[05:27:42] <boyd> nrubsig: I thought somehting like that. Bummer[05:27:55] <jamesbrink> lewellyn, hey i got pretter far with sfe today[05:28:05] <jamesbrink> but half the packages failed to build =/[05:28:09] <lewellyn> how come?[05:28:14] <lewellyn> for vlc?[05:28:15] <boyd> nrubsig: Did you have the baby last time we chatted? If not, congratulations[05:28:28] <jamesbrink> let me try running build again and pull up the error[05:28:40] <lewellyn> was it dependency issues for vlc?[05:28:48] <nrubsig> boyd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartz_concept#Hartz_IV[05:29:20] <nrubsig> boyd: yes, it's a baby girl and now over six months old.[05:29:20] <lewellyn> easiest way to build it is to add the encumbered dir to sfe's specfile search path and build it from the sfe root[05:30:24] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[05:30:36] <jamesbrink> lewellyn, i am using: pkgtool build --download --autodeps encumbered/SFEvlc.spec[05:31:00] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[05:31:16] <lewellyn> yeah... put encumbered in the search path (forget how off the top of my head) and just use SFEvlc.spec[05:31:22] <lewellyn> it should do better at finding the deps[05:32:59] <boyd> nrubsig: Hmm... it could be argued (rather easily) that having to do your community service is in fact harming your ability to get a job.[05:34:02] <nrubsig> boyd: well, unfortunately the only way to get rid of it is to get a) a job, b) die, c) run to a lawyer[05:34:41] *** ken has quit IRC[05:35:09] <boyd> .. or all three[05:35:11] <nrubsig> boyd: if you refuse to do the community service you will not get financial support.[05:35:38] <boyd> Oh, I just mean as a general concept. I don't expect you pertsonally to reform the system[05:37:32] <nrubsig> boyd: the system is designed to make this time unpleasant to get people back to work at all cost.[05:40:01] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[05:51:13] *** cwebber has quit IRC[06:02:10] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[06:04:52] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[06:06:30] <boyd> nrubsig: Oh, sure, but I'd have thought that keeping people occupied for 12 hrs a day would make it harder to find work[06:06:39] *** SQlvpapir__ has quit IRC[06:08:08] *** SQlvpapir__ has joined #opensolaris[06:16:30] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[06:23:39] *** cwebber has quit IRC[06:26:19] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[06:29:04] *** yippi has quit IRC[06:32:33] *** taltamir has quit IRC[06:34:57] *** ken1 has quit IRC[06:35:56] *** e-jat has quit IRC[06:36:25] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[06:36:25] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[06:38:59] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[06:40:59] *** lesterc_ has quit IRC[06:41:24] *** lesterc has quit IRC[06:42:00] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[06:45:03] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[06:45:53] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[06:50:02] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[06:58:27] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[06:58:30] <CIA-33> Judy Chen <Judy.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6821369 Nightly bits reset/hang on tecra M5[07:00:33] *** nyati has joined #opensolaris[07:00:42] *** robbyt has quit IRC[07:00:45] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:02:47] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[07:04:42] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:07:41] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[07:07:43] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[07:08:28] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris[07:11:22] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[07:16:11] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[07:35:06] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[07:39:05] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[07:39:08] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[07:39:22] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[07:45:25] *** alka_ has joined #opensolaris[07:45:38] *** oh_noes has joined #opensolaris[07:48:18] <oh_noes> I have a zpool which is a 2 LUN mirror. is it possible to attach a 3rd LUN to the zpool as a mirror to the zpool[07:48:31] <oh_noes> and then when its finisished resilvering, break the mirror and remove the original 2 LUN mirror?[07:48:42] <oh_noes> Leaving me with the single LUN zpool[07:50:05] *** SQlvpapir__ has quit IRC[07:50:46] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[07:51:35] <Zikla> I have a question[07:52:38] <Zikla> I made a mirror between c3t0d0s0 and c4t0d0s0, my two sata drives. I unplugged one, and zpool status obviously says the mirror's degraded[07:53:11] <Zikla> I plugged it back in, and I see that it's plugged back in in /var/adm/messages[07:53:34] <Zikla> But when I tell zpool to add it back to the mirror it tells me the device doesn't exist[07:54:39] <Zikla> ls finds it in /dev/dsk[07:55:33] <Zikla> And it's a symlink to exactly what /var/adm/messsages is telling me the sata drive is called in pci@0,0 notation[07:56:28] *** sophokles1 has joined #opensolaris[07:56:48] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[07:57:10] <oh_noes> Zikla: zpool attach c4t0d0s0 c4t0d0s0[07:57:16] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[07:57:31] <Zikla> Attatch it to itself?[07:58:30] <CIA-33> Srihari Venkatesan <Srihari.Venkatesan at Sun dot COM>: 6815264 Chip enumerator should build an appropriate generic memory topology on Shanghai[07:59:35] <oh_noes> Zikla: or zpool detach and then attach[08:01:04] <Zikla> cannot open 'c3t0d0s0': no such device in /dev/dsk[08:02:08] <qiyong> how do i start x? i did a full installation[08:02:20] <Zikla> What version?[08:02:24] <Zikla> X normally starts on it's own[08:02:32] <Zikla> gdm should start X[08:03:31] <qiyong> how to start gdm?[08:03:39] <Zikla> gdm should start on it's own[08:03:55] <qiyong> should, but how to start manually[08:03:55] <Zikla> can you log into a text console?[08:04:04] <qiyong> yes[08:04:22] <Zikla> svcadm enable gdm[08:04:25] *** alka_ has quit IRC[08:04:36] *** div8 has joined #opensolaris[08:06:39] *** wbkang has quit IRC[08:06:52] <qiyong> is it good to login gui as root?[08:07:02] <Zikla> No[08:07:10] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris[08:07:15] *** alka_ has joined #opensolaris[08:07:17] <Zikla> If at all avoidable, avoid doing so, you should have another account[08:07:18] *** fftb has quit IRC[08:07:32] <qiyong> but root is the only user now. how do i shift back to tty? now it's x login.[08:08:39] <Zikla> What system is this? Indiana or nevada?[08:09:03] *** Vonoff has quit IRC[08:09:57] <qiyong> Zikla: b107, is it nevada?[08:10:04] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[08:10:47] <Zikla> Yes, that's nevada[08:11:02] <qiyong> indiana is solaris 10? Zikla[08:11:07] <Zikla> No[08:11:13] <Zikla> indiana is 2008.05 and 2008.11[08:11:33] <qiyong> nevada is sxce, indiana is opensolaris?[08:11:36] <Zikla> Yes[08:11:55] <qiyong> now how to do?[08:11:56] <Zikla> I think when I had nevada I had to log in as root at one point[08:12:05] <qiyong> oh[08:12:07] <qiyong> ok[08:12:10] <Zikla> I don't remember though, it was a while ago and I mostly use indiana[08:12:20] <qiyong> as root to gui login?[08:12:38] *** sophokles has quit IRC[08:13:40] <qiyong> Zikla: how do i shift back to console now?[08:14:28] <qiyong> Zikla: ok, from the menu, i'm in console[08:14:36] <Zikla> I'm not sure, if you can't choose it in the GDM menu, you can reboot and choose text mode, run svcadm disable gdm, and then reboota gain[08:14:46] <Zikla> You got it?[08:15:15] <qiyong> yeah[08:15:21] <qiyong> how do i set up hotname?[08:15:25] <qiyong> by /etc/nodename?[08:18:14] <qiyong> Zikla: ^[08:18:45] <Zikla> hostname yourhostnamehere[08:18:50] *** free has quit IRC[08:18:59] *** free has joined #opensolaris[08:19:38] <Zikla> Anybody have an idea about my issue though? :/[08:20:11] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:21:24] <qiyong> Zikla: i mean to write it somewhere in /etc/ permanantly[08:23:04] <Zikla> Then yes[08:23:12] *** Vonor has joined #opensolaris[08:23:55] <Zikla> I'm going to reboot and see if this fixes my problem[08:24:07] *** Zikla has quit IRC[08:29:10] *** wasp__ has quit IRC[08:29:14] *** _Steve_` has joined #opensolaris[08:30:31] *** _Steve_ has quit IRC[08:31:12] *** Zikla has joined #opensolaris[08:31:30] <Zikla> Okay, it works now[08:31:49] <Zikla> Rebooting isn't the best solution to that problem though[08:40:01] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[08:41:22] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:42:47] *** sharpnz has joined #opensolaris[08:43:04] <tomww> Zikla: your disk is configuredactually? shouls cfgadm -avl the disk as "connected configured" ?[08:43:10] <tomww> *shows[08:44:42] <Zikla> It does now[08:44:52] <Zikla> I don't know if it did before I rebooted[08:45:28] <Zikla> I could yank the cable again and see[08:45:46] <Zikla> It's only 15 minutes into resilvering so it's no big deal[08:45:51] *** tobias has joined #opensolaris[08:46:08] *** tobias has quit IRC[08:46:24] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[08:47:34] *** stewart has quit IRC[08:49:04] *** sharpnz has left #opensolaris[08:50:04] <Zikla> Okay, yanked and reconnected[08:50:07] <Chiron|> how can i look if smf-rbac/nvidia_ vendor _select is working?[08:51:33] <Zikla> Alright[08:51:43] <Zikla> Now it says unconfigured but connected[08:52:01] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[08:52:03] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[08:52:16] <Zikla> tomww, ^[08:53:36] <Zikla> sata4/0 connected unconfigured unknown Mod: ST3500630AS FRev: 3.AAK SN: 6QG3T5EH[08:54:35] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[08:55:42] <_setuid_H> Morning everybody[08:56:26] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[08:59:16] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[08:59:31] <Zikla> Yay, I learned a new command today :D[08:59:43] <Zikla> Thanks tomww, I got it back up[08:59:50] <tomww> cfgadm -c configure sata4/0[08:59:56] <tomww> ant the disk should be back online.[08:59:59] <Zikla> A bit late :p[09:00:01] <tomww> *and[09:00:15] <tomww> ist's configured now? t[09:00:16] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[09:00:32] <Zikla> Yeah, I read the man page far enough in to figure out to do exactly what you just told me to :p[09:00:44] <tomww> perfect![09:00:59] <Zikla> Yep! Thanks![09:01:10] <lewellyn> does zfs support WebNFS?[09:01:25] <Zikla> Have a good day, I'm going to sleep now[09:01:41] <_setuid_H> lewellyn: what's that?[09:01:44] <tomww> Solaris doesn't take every disk and owns it without advised to. very usefull in cluster configurations with shared disks or in a SAN, where zoneing might present disks to multiple hosts.[09:01:52] <tomww> Zikla: good night![09:02:16] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[09:02:37] <lewellyn> _setuid_H: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4555/rfsadmin-110?a=view[09:03:13] <lewellyn> _setuid_H: i'm thinking of hijacking its HTTP ability to serve source code.[09:03:51] <lewellyn> as opposed to a common practice of keeping a checked-out copy of the repo :)[09:04:00] <_setuid_H> lewellyn: thanks for the link[09:04:08] <lewellyn> just provide raw access to the mountpoint :)[09:04:09] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[09:04:14] <lewellyn> _setuid_H: no problem[09:04:26] <lewellyn> it's a really neat technology with no fewer than 3 RFCs[09:04:26] <trochej> Coffee[09:04:47] <lewellyn> too bad sun didn't push it as hard as it should have, outside of java, where it's least useful :([09:05:00] <lewellyn> who needs an app to mount an nfs share? that's what the OS is for :P[09:05:18] <lewellyn> but yes, i know. the network is the computer, and all that[09:06:02] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[09:07:53] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:08:13] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:11:43] <palowoda> Update on the IBM/Sun merger with a phone call with Sam Palmisano and Jonathan Schwartz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VNMERVsC4[09:14:32] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:15:48] <DTEIT> morning[09:15:58] *** alka_ has quit IRC[09:19:52] <qiyong> is NIS+ dying?[09:19:57] <trochej> palowoda: Could you sum it up?[09:20:15] <palowoda> Brrinnggg.[09:20:17] <lewellyn> qiyong: it has been dying for a decade, at least.[09:20:45] <qiyong> will be removed in solaris 11 or 12? lewellyn[09:22:13] *** alka_ has joined #opensolaris[09:22:21] *** magnon has joined #opensolaris[09:23:29] <qiyong> a user has different uids from two box's, how to solve that problem? mapping or change uid?[09:24:05] <palowoda> LDAP?[09:24:05] <magnon> Is it not possible to mirror the opensolaris IPS release tree? I can only find (practical) ways to rsync the dev tree and the ISO images.[09:24:31] <palowoda> A true mirror of an IPS repository is not posible.[09:24:36] <_setuid_H> http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/426985[09:24:44] <palowoda> The meta data is not replicated.[09:25:05] <_setuid_H> check it out. It's about supporting sun[09:25:05] <_setuid_H> :-)[09:26:21] <magnon> palowoda: that's not the issue, it's getting the packages from the servers that take a lifetime[09:26:22] <palowoda> Although AI and file based IPS coming has a future.[09:28:04] <palowoda> But that is a network bandwidth problem. Shawn Walker is working on the file based IPS. What next release?[09:28:16] <qiyong> palowoda: is ldap running by default?[09:29:05] <palowoda> With SXCE you select it. Indiana you obviously have to configure it.[09:29:40] *** darth4 has quit IRC[09:29:43] <magnon> palowoda: Yes, and the network bandwidth problem is not on my side. Did I say anything about a next release? I just want 2008.11 lying around on our local network :)[09:30:47] <palowoda> Yeah I would say network bandwidth is one of the biggest problems with IPS currently.[09:31:39] <palowoda> I said it should change though.[09:32:03] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:32:15] <magnon> palowoda: but it *is* possible to set up a mirror of the dev tree, why isn't it possible to do the same for the release?[09:32:40] <_setuid_H> magnon: it's the same[09:32:41] <_setuid_H> :-)[09:32:51] <palowoda> Are you talking about a local mirror without an internet connection?[09:33:17] <magnon> palowoda: No[09:33:48] <palowoda> Than I thought that was documented on the opensolaris.org siter already.[09:33:51] <_setuid_H> magnon: you're creating just file mirror, and /dev contains /release files too[09:34:02] <magnon> actually I really don't care what it is as long as I can have the packages without traveling to pkg.opensolaris.org to have them and I can lessen the pressure on pkg.opensolaris.org[09:34:08] <palowoda> s/siter/site[09:34:24] <magnon> palowoda: that is true, the process is explained[09:34:44] <magnon> _setuid_H: really? rsync gives me either osol_dev_files or osol_release_isos[09:34:48] <palowoda> where are you going to get the meta data for the mirror packages?[09:35:04] <_setuid_H> magnon: what isos?[09:35:15] <_setuid_H> magnon: you're talkting about ips mirroring right?[09:35:22] <magnon> _setuid_H: yes[09:35:34] <_setuid_H> magnon: there are no isos at all[09:35:39] *** ladyfantasy has quit IRC[09:35:47] <_setuid_H> magnon: you're just mirroring filesets[09:35:48] <magnon> _setuid_H: well, this is what rsyncd at pkg.opensolaris.org is telling me[09:36:12] <_setuid_H> magnon: all the work is processed on pkg.opensolaris.org the mirror works just as a filesets storrage[09:36:26] <_setuid_H> magnon: and b101 is there placed as well as b109[09:36:35] <_setuid_H> I mean filesets from the package[09:36:44] <_setuid_H> s/package/packages[09:36:47] <magnon> _setuid_H: well, that would solve most of the problem anyway, wouldn't it[09:36:55] <_setuid_H> yes[09:37:05] <magnon> _setuid_H: the problem is, when it says "osol_dev_files", I, naturally, conclude that this is the dev tree[09:37:12] <_setuid_H> :-)[09:37:16] <_setuid_H> but it's all :-)[09:37:32] <_setuid_H> you have to understand that dev serves new and old (stable) filesets too[09:37:39] <_setuid_H> grr[09:37:41] <_setuid_H> sorry[09:37:53] <palowoda> Just easier to an beadm upragred. And pull the dev packages.[09:37:58] <_setuid_H> yes is it good written isn't it?[09:38:04] <palowoda> upgrade[09:38:17] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[09:38:46] <magnon> _setuid_H: so let me understand it correctly then – I can run a local mirror that contains both 109 and 101b, but pkg.opensolaris.org/release will still contain the metadata and thus tell my systems to pull 101b packages from my mirror?[09:39:15] <_setuid_H> magnon: I don't know how is it solved on opensolaris.org/release but this feature isn't supported in pkg.depotd[09:39:39] <_setuid_H> yes[09:39:48] <magnon> okay, well that's good then :)[09:39:48] <_setuid_H> the mirror is for both /release or /dev[09:39:59] <_setuid_H> yes[09:40:21] *** kate21de has quit IRC[09:40:25] <_setuid_H> magnon: it's a little "mischmashed" but it's good :-)[09:40:26] <magnon> palowoda: on production systems, no thank you :)[09:41:06] <_setuid_H> magnon: anyway thanks, now I know what to make more "described" in my IPS presentations[09:41:09] <palowoda> Err I though we all knew IPS is work in process.[09:41:53] <lewellyn> qiyong: i asked if solaris 7 would still support nis. ;) who knows what sun has planned? but it's still widely deployed, as it's very simple to set up.[09:42:25] <magnon> palowoda: from the outside, how would I know that?[09:42:44] <tsoome> solaris 7?[09:43:00] <qiyong> lewellyn: nis is simple to setup, but ldap is complex to setup?[09:43:02] <tsoome> even solaris 10 still supports nis;)[09:43:09] <palowoda> I guess you found out from the outside.[09:43:24] <tsoome> but i would really suggest switch over to ldap......[09:43:31] <palowoda> It's not like any of this is secret.[09:44:46] <tsoome> if you have no clue about Makefile and how to handle out of sync nis tables, nis can be major pain[09:45:34] <lewellyn> tsoome: i was saying that it's been "dead" for a decade ;)[09:45:47] <tsoome> :D[09:45:59] <lblume> I wish.[09:46:06] <lewellyn> and if you're very familiar with nis, it's a breeze to use[09:46:24] <tsoome> yep. btw, it is covered still in sun SA courses as an example name service[09:46:43] <lewellyn> tsoome: it's still the default name service in sxce, iirc. :)[09:46:58] <lblume> If you're familiar with something, something is a breeze to use, right? :-) If needed to learn now, better start with LDAP than NIS.[09:46:59] <tsoome> what you mean by default?[09:47:22] <tsoome> if my memory serves, default in installer is none[09:47:28] <lewellyn> qiyong: nis is very muc like running with flat files on a single machine. you just push those files to all the machines. ldap is... "different"... in comparison[09:47:47] <lewellyn> tsoome: i coulda sworn the highlight bar starts on NIS though[09:47:49] <tsoome> but i havent used installer for quite some time[09:48:02] <lewellyn> as opposed to "None"[09:48:26] <palowoda> lame[09:49:45] <lewellyn> lblume: also, keep in mind that many people are familiar with flat files... nis isn't much different :)[09:50:02] *** dunc has quit IRC[09:50:40] *** egoz has quit IRC[09:51:53] <palowoda> Like the mass population really cares about what type of name service they have.[09:55:52] <magnon> There is actually no limit to how little they care[09:56:24] <lblume> lewellyn: that's the feeling it gives at first, yes. But when you've got issues with the DB, then flat files aren't much use :-/ And adding a new file is both easy and painful.[09:58:51] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[09:59:17] <lewellyn> lblume: it has a quicker time-to-learn than ldap though ;)[10:00:49] *** nprice has quit IRC[10:01:19] <tsoome> for mass population it would be safer if nis is not easily accessible, its really not designed for todays hostile networks:D[10:02:12] <qiyong> i should use nis+, instead of nis?[10:02:18] <tsoome> ldap![10:02:28] <tsoome> nis+ is even more dead than nis[10:02:49] <palowoda> Yep, yep, yep....[10:03:18] <lblume> lewellyn: A different learning curve altogether.[10:03:20] <tsoome> its safer, but it was basically used only by sun and therefore there is no reason to start using it[10:04:09] <lewellyn> lblume: not debating that ;)[10:04:43] <lewellyn> yeah. i think vista lost NIS+ support and only does NIS now[10:05:06] <lewellyn> that's what i was told when i asked someone... "i didn't see NIS+ anymore..."[10:05:10] *** agk9 has joined #opensolaris[10:05:12] <lewellyn> for what little it's worth[10:05:55] <palowoda> It's got to be worth very little.[10:08:13] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[10:09:27] *** s1gn4lb0y has quit IRC[10:09:46] <tsoome> qiyong: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4556/ldapsetup-1?l=en&a=view[10:09:51] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[10:10:07] <agk9> hey, i created a zpool mirror with 2 disks & did opensolaris installation on zfs on that pool; problem is, though i do installgrub on both the disks, system doesnt find grub after i detach first disk from pool[10:11:00] <sickness> yeah, old problem, should be solved in 2009.xx, are you on 2008.11? you should put grub on the other disk manually[10:11:12] <palowoda> Because you have to install grub on the mirrored disk from the instructions?[10:12:47] <agk9> yup i used 2008.11[10:13:21] <agk9> yes, i referred tim foster's blog about zfsinstall[10:13:27] <palowoda> Would be cool if the install would ask for a mirror disk grub install. What was the RFE or Bug ID number?[10:13:46] <agk9> i dont know the bug number[10:14:13] <qiyong> ldap service is run by a java app?[10:14:15] <palowoda> But it should be worth a RFE or Bug ID, maybe.[10:14:32] <qiyong> ldap server is implemented by java?[10:14:38] <tsoome> no![10:14:40] <tsoome> :D[10:14:40] <palowoda> java should have nothing to do with ldap.[10:14:44] <sickness> agk9: http://download.radioradicale.it/store-50/2009/03/MP510072.mp3[10:14:50] <sickness> agk9: sorry, wrong link[10:14:54] <sickness> agk9: http://dd-b.net/ddbcms/2009/01/opensolaris-zfs-root-pool-mirroring/[10:14:57] <qiyong> This chapter describes how to configure Sun Java System Directory Server (formerly Sun ONE Directory Server) to support a network of Solaris LDAP naming services clients. The information is specific to the Sun Java System Directory Server.[10:14:57] <agk9> :-)[10:15:04] <qiyong> tsoome: ^[10:15:20] <tsoome> its the stupid name from sun marketing[10:15:24] <palowoda> java is just a platform to access ldap.[10:15:33] <sickness> agk9: there are a lot of blog posts about this, an official opensolaris FAQ stick on first opensolaris.org page like the openbsd FAQ would be a lot better than scavenging trough blogs every time, IMHO...[10:15:42] <asyd> \_o<[10:15:54] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:16:18] <sickness> anyway, that grub thing should be solved in recent 2009.xx betas...[10:16:33] <qiyong> # idsconfig[10:16:33] <qiyong> bash: idsconfig: command not found[10:16:57] <tsoome> the ldap server they are referring was from netscape renamed to sun one directory server renamed to sun java system directory server[10:17:14] <tsoome> maybe there was some steps between...[10:17:15] <lewellyn> idsconfig would be iplanet :)[10:17:29] <tsoome> ah ye iplanet was there as well[10:17:39] <palowoda> Which recent 2009.xx is it resolved or expected to be resolved in?[10:18:16] <tsoome> what do you wanna to be named tomorrow?[10:18:31] <tsoome> :P[10:18:59] <sickness> palowoda: heh, I don't remember, shudda fire up an iso in virtualbox and try :)[10:19:11] <agk9> well, am a fool; i forgto to chage boot device priority :P ; sorry guys[10:19:24] <agk9> forgot*[10:20:02] <palowoda> I'm sure there is an ARC case to resolve the mirror boot problem somewhere.[10:20:24] *** tom_ has joined #opensolaris[10:20:36] <agk9> it worked fine after i chaged boot dev prio[10:21:38] <sickness> palowoda: yeah, there is[10:22:07] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[10:22:47] <palowoda> We are saved.[10:23:51] <palowoda> Yip, yip, yip, nope, nope nope nope.... :)[10:25:39] *** communicator has quit IRC[10:30:29] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[10:31:33] *** ken has quit IRC[10:32:07] *** timeless_mbp has quit IRC[10:33:23] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi[10:39:04] <qiyong> how do i setup permanent hostname?[10:39:09] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[10:39:14] *** e-jat has quit IRC[10:41:32] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[10:43:02] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[10:45:30] <CosmicDJ> qiyong: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/gbwxb?l=en&q=nodename&a=view[10:48:34] <sickness> is the "automated installer" of 2009.06 documented, somewhere?[10:48:44] <CosmicDJ> yep[10:49:35] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[10:49:45] <sickness> tnx[10:50:27] <CosmicDJ> sickness: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/dev/AIinstall/docinfo.html[10:50:27] <CosmicDJ> np[10:52:15] <sickness> CosmicDJ: tnx! :)[10:52:30] <CosmicDJ> google: thanks[10:53:54] <sickness> heh, I didn't found that on google, bot the older one[10:54:05] <sickness> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/AIinstall/[10:54:42] <sickness> it's unfortunate that this links arent just near the ai iso on genunix.org, one has always to scavenge trough google...[10:55:06] * codestr0m wakes up channel[10:55:24] <CosmicDJ> sickness: i searched for "sparc automated installer" :)[10:56:15] <sickness> I searched for opensolaris automated installer, iirc[10:56:19] <CosmicDJ> hm no I didn't[10:56:22] <CosmicDJ> well nevermind[10:56:43] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[10:56:54] * lewellyn puts codestr0m down[10:57:34] * CosmicDJ preempts codestr0m and puts the channel to sleep again ;)[10:58:28] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[10:58:33] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:58:34] <codestr0m> lewellyn: in the sense you'd put down a lame dog or a vicious killer?[10:58:41] <lewellyn> exactly[11:01:45] <codestr0m> bgupta: sorry for the delay in getting back to you.. having connectivity issues at home and having to read the logs when I come on again[11:01:58] <codestr0m> bgupta: (wrong channel)[11:02:45] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[11:04:15] *** jteo has quit IRC[11:17:26] <nyati> u there?[11:18:02] <asyd> no[11:18:18] <nyati> heheh - sorry, wrong window[11:24:11] *** linma has quit IRC[11:28:31] <div8> when should I (not) use a zpool cache? when is it not recommended to use/have a zpool cache?[11:30:18] <_setuid_H> div8:it should be not recommended on low memory environment :-)[11:30:20] <CosmicDJ> you should always have it (I'm not even sure if it can be disabled)[11:30:51] *** Dorfo1 has joined #opensolaris[11:32:11] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[11:32:59] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[11:33:08] *** sartek has quit IRC[11:33:54] <div8> _setuid_H: how much memory then do I need at least?[11:37:15] <CosmicDJ> system requirements are @ opensolaris.com[11:37:36] <_setuid_H> div8: depends on what do you expect and the configuration[11:37:44] <_setuid_H> div8: server, laptop ... :-)[11:37:47] <_setuid_H> div8: storrage[11:38:20] <_setuid_H> for laptop is recommended to have more than 512MB[11:38:24] <_setuid_H> rather 1024[11:38:37] <div8> storage[11:38:47] <div8> system has 4GB of RAM[11:38:49] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[11:38:55] <_setuid_H> div8: whats the capacity of the storrage[11:39:11] <div8> ~ 1.2TB[11:39:43] <_setuid_H> div8: this should be enough[11:39:49] <_setuid_H> div8: I recommend you to read http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide[11:40:15] *** dan_p has left #opensolaris[11:40:20] <_setuid_H> div8: I have on 500G mirrored websrvr and using only 2GB[11:40:49] <_setuid_H> without any bigger problems, but when doing rsync, I think with more ram it should be better[11:44:40] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[11:45:06] <div8> having a cache device, does zfs use the memory in addition to the device?[11:45:27] *** hsp has quit IRC[11:46:26] <CosmicDJ> the caching (or log etc.) device will be used for caching (logging) only AFAIK, your poolsize will not grow when you add such device[11:47:21] <_setuid_H> 1GB ram 3GHz[11:47:35] <_setuid_H> v[11:47:37] <_setuid_H> sorry[11:47:37] <_setuid_H> :-)[11:47:41] <_setuid_H> another chat[11:51:51] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[11:53:18] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[11:59:08] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[12:00:59] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[12:01:40] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[12:04:17] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[12:06:15] *** Wulfen has joined #opensolaris[12:06:25] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[12:07:03] *** mroconno1_ has joined #opensolaris[12:09:28] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[12:09:35] *** mroconno1_ is now known as mroconnor_[12:09:43] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[12:14:02] *** derchris has quit IRC[12:14:08] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[12:25:32] *** j0nas_ is now known as j0nas[12:26:36] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:29:46] *** crink has left #opensolaris[12:32:19] *** agk9 has left #opensolaris[12:33:04] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[12:33:31] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[12:33:38] *** oh_noes has left #opensolaris[12:33:57] *** chrol has quit IRC[12:35:20] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:40:19] *** kolla_ has joined #opensolaris[12:40:29] <kolla_> what's up here: http://dpaste.com/19431/[12:40:36] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[12:41:13] <Stric> shouldn't you use pkg.opensolaris.org anyway?[12:41:26] <kolla_> no idea[12:41:37] <kolla_> this is how it is out of the box[12:43:03] <magnon> is dependency handling in ipkg horrible, or is it me doing something wrong?[12:43:29] <magnon> trying to install Gnome in a zone that was minimal to begin with wasn't that easy[12:43:41] <kolla_> pkg authority says: opensolaris.org (preferred) http://pkg.opensolaris.org/release/[12:43:47] <kolla_> so I assume it's correct[12:44:43] <magnon> kolla_: in the pkg output, 'opensolaris.org' is simply the name of the authority[12:44:43] <Stric> ah.. might just be some "wrong" messages being printed..[12:44:49] <Stric> can you resolve pkg.opensolaris.org?[12:45:10] <kolla_> ping pkg.opensolaris.org gives "ping: unknown host pkg.opensolaris.org"[12:45:26] <kolla_> magnon: yes, so I figured[12:45:45] <kolla_> is resolving on sunos ... special? :)[12:45:51] <Stric> temporary workaround: echo 'pkg.opensolaris.org 72.5.123.21'|pfexec tee -a /etc/hosts[12:45:55] <Stric> not really[12:46:02] <magnon> a lot of things in solaris is special :)[12:46:05] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:46:19] <Stric> depends on what you set as the "normal case" too :P[12:46:20] <lewellyn> opensolaris is far speshuler[12:49:50] <kolla_> didnt help to add pkg.opensolaris.org to hosts[12:51:19] <Stric> err. my bad... it's the opposite order.. 'ip hostname'[12:51:56] <CosmicDJ> this shouldn't be needed when dns works...[12:52:14] <Stric> but apparently there is some dns glitch[12:53:24] <kolla_> hm, I think I might know what it is[12:53:26] <CosmicDJ> then fix the problem instead of the symptoms[12:53:54] *** Guest63313 has joined #opensolaris[12:54:12] *** slaney has left #opensolaris[12:59:24] <magnon> so[12:59:35] <magnon> entire is supposed to be a metapackage to install a base system or something, right?[13:01:25] <tsoome> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entire[13:01:32] <Stric> something like that, yes[13:02:01] <kolla_> hm, now "pkg refresh" returns without doing anything, appearantly[13:02:30] <Stric> refresh just updates a few lists.. if there's nothing to complain about, it doesn't..[13:02:44] *** qiyong has quit IRC[13:02:48] <Stric> pkg image-image -nv for a "verbose, do-nothing" upgrade[13:03:24] <kolla_> pkg: unknown subcommand 'image-image'[13:03:41] <Stric> gah. image-update[13:03:43] <magnon> hm. so I'm thinking installing entire in a zone should lead to a healthy base system being installed[13:03:52] <magnon> but that doesn't seem to be the case[13:03:52] <Stric> seems like my brain isn't fully functional today[13:03:58] <kolla_> :)[13:04:33] <magnon> first of all, I can't seem to find out how to list a package's dependencies with the CLI[13:05:40] <magnon> how would I do that? the documentation doesn't seem to describe a way[13:07:20] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[13:07:47] <kolla_> hm, is bash the only shell available in opensolaris?[13:07:53] <kolla_> oh.. no[13:08:02] <kolla_> SUNW*sh[13:09:05] <kolla_> woo, finally managed to install something[13:11:09] *** Dorfo1 is now known as Feces[13:12:35] *** Feces is now known as Clemenza[13:12:47] *** Clemenza is now known as PeteClemenza[13:13:08] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[13:13:15] *** PeteClemenza has left #opensolaris[13:14:32] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[13:16:02] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[13:17:16] *** d6g|away is now known as d6g[13:17:17] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[13:17:58] *** Berny has quit IRC[13:18:27] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[13:20:05] *** \amethys1 has joined #opensolaris[13:23:57] <magnon> palowoda: are there drastic improvements to pkg between 101b and 109?[13:24:12] <lewellyn> magnon: new xorg. for better or for worse[13:24:37] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[13:24:38] <magnon> lewellyn: graphics are for kids anyway[13:25:06] <magnon> I just want what I assume are bugs in ipkg to go away :)[13:25:14] <lewellyn> i wouldn't know as i use sxce ;)[13:25:19] <lewellyn> i'm immune from pkg issues[13:25:40] *** \amethyst has quit IRC[13:25:59] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[13:26:30] *** Berny has joined #opensolaris[13:27:41] <magnon> seems my rsync job to pkg.opensolaris.org has hit a cap as well[13:29:43] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[13:29:45] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[13:31:07] <JWheeler> it seems that there is work going into it at each release, so I'd say yes. I think the most major change is some kind of unified x86/sparc package system now[13:32:15] *** rayel74 has joined #opensolaris[13:34:06] *** ericjray has quit IRC[13:37:31] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[13:37:34] *** luc^ has quit IRC[13:39:05] *** mroconnor_ has joined #opensolaris[13:39:26] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[13:40:48] <magnon> JWheeler: is it then possible to use ipkg from 109 in 101b, you think?[13:42:13] <JWheeler> I don't really know how that kind of thing works. Live upgrades work that way, so probably?[13:42:28] <magnon> gah, seriously. pkg.opensolaris.org needs some bandwidth[13:42:37] <JWheeler> I don't know what packages make up IPS, but you'd need to be very sure that you upgraded all of them[13:43:58] <magnon> the slow speed of getting updates and packages has to be a big roadblock in the way of opensolaris', uhm, proliferation, right?[13:44:40] <JWheeler> maybe. 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It doesn't seem to be multithreaded, which is a bit embarrassing coming from Sun.[13:45:28] <magnon> we're trying to convert to OSOL, so it's kind of a huge annoyance[13:45:34] <magnon> now, if I was only allowed to mirror the damn things :)[13:45:42] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:45:53] *** asarch has quit IRC[13:47:23] <JWheeler> Can it be proxied?[13:48:04] <CosmicDJ> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/Mirroring/[13:48:11] <CosmicDJ> "Running a content mirror of pkg.opensolaris.org/dev"[13:48:47] <magnon> CosmicDJ: only problem is that the rsync job doesn't ever get of its feet[13:52:42] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris[13:58:09] *** dunc has quit IRC[14:00:28] *** digifor has quit IRC[14:02:57] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[14:03:19] *** vmlemon has quit IRC[14:03:45] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[14:03:51] *** DerSaidin has joined #opensolaris[14:08:26] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[14:08:45] *** derPUPE has joined #opensolaris[14:09:32] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[14:09:46] *** digifor has quit IRC[14:10:06] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[14:10:56] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[14:10:59] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[14:11:40] *** aramdune has joined #opensolaris[14:13:23] *** lesterc has quit IRC[14:16:22] <holcomb> is bugs busted?[14:16:46] <holcomb> nm, human error[14:17:43] *** rno has joined #opensolaris[14:17:44] *** Vonor is now known as Vonoff[14:17:48] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[14:18:02] <yarihm> hi everyone[14:18:16] <rno> hi[14:18:25] *** lblume has quit IRC[14:19:13] <yarihm> I'm setting up a router (no filtering, no nothing) on one solaris 10 host and a NAT gw on another. in order to have packets forwarded I set ndd -set /dev/ip ip_forwarding 1. What is the solaris-way to have this persistent across reboots?[14:20:19] <yarihm> hmm ... I'll be using qugga to do the routing distribution, so it's probably not quite true that it will be that simple, but I mean just for starters :)[14:20:49] <rno> You could stick it in /etc/system[14:20:58] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:21:54] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[14:22:00] <rno> set ip:ipforwarding=1[14:22:17] *** mccune has joined #opensolaris[14:22:44] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[14:23:48] *** sophokles1 has left #opensolaris[14:25:10] <yarihm> rno, thanks[14:26:20] *** bnitz has quit IRC[14:26:27] <IvanR_> yarihm: routeadm[14:26:50] <kjetilho> argh, I really hate the man-bug in 2008.11. I guess I need to add an alias man="echo do not run man as root, silly"[14:27:26] <lewellyn> somewhat OT, but you guys would probably know... ;) anyone have suggestions for *current* high-performance x window servers for windows?[14:27:44] <Stric> xming I think?[14:27:44] <Tempt> Hummingbird[14:27:46] <lewellyn> i'd use mi/x, but i uncovered a bug in both the shipping and beta versions (oops!)[14:27:47] <kjetilho> or perhaps I should add a cron job which reinstalls SUNWlang-enUS when the so-file has gone missing :-/[14:28:04] <lewellyn> Stric: no xming, as it's based on cygwin/x and won't meet my needs[14:28:29] <kjetilho> xwin32 ?[14:28:29] <Stric> lewellyn: umm. no it's not[14:28:35] <lewellyn> Tempt: hummingbird wants to sell me the kitchen sink with exceed :P[14:28:36] <Stric> it's xorg compiled with ming[14:28:45] <Tempt> lewellyn: It's the best around, though.[14:28:46] <lewellyn> Stric: have you read the diffs?[14:28:51] <yarihm> IvanR_, i'll have a look at routeadm, looks promising[14:28:57] <Stric> lewellyn: not really.. only the web site ;)[14:29:13] <lewellyn> Stric: seriously. it's cygwin/x with everything renamed and the stuff not supported on cygwin ifdeffed out[14:29:19] *** Penn0ir_ has joined #opensolaris[14:29:22] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[14:29:25] *** Penn0ir_ has quit IRC[14:29:35] <lewellyn> Tempt: suck :( i don't NEED everything they want to sell with it :([14:30:00] <lewellyn> Stric: i know of which i speak when it comes to cygwin/x[14:30:18] <Stric> lewellyn: I don't, so I bow to your wisdom etc..[14:30:28] <lewellyn> i'm going through some fun cygwin-xfree archives from 1999 and 2000 when i was trying to help get it running on nt4[14:30:47] <lewellyn> i forgot how much of a pita it was to not have good video interfaces[14:31:06] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, usually then I used eXceed or miX[14:31:15] <lewellyn> i can't believe i purposely bluescreened my machine that much :D[14:31:17] <Tempt> See? exceed for everyone[14:31:27] *** cypromis has quit IRC[14:31:37] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: but i found a fatal bug in mi/x 4.2 and 5.0, confirmed by microimages via email :([14:31:38] <Tempt> although at home, just SSGD these days[14:31:45] <lewellyn> that's usually my first choice[14:31:52] <lewellyn> i've used mi/x for ages[14:31:59] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[14:32:37] <lewellyn> bah. time to shell money over to hummingbird again, it appears :P[14:32:44] <Stric> a trick my GF uses is to start virtualbox with some *nix in it and run ssh -X blah ;)[14:32:47] *** rastal has quit IRC[14:32:56] <Stric> although it's not that high performance on a slow laptop :P[14:33:26] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[14:34:02] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[14:35:17] <lewellyn> Stric: i need higher performance than that. i have virtualized x galore, and xming, and x/deep-32, and a few others. but they're all insufficient for one reason or another[14:35:41] <lewellyn> like labtam doesn't include a few extensions, at least in the build they gave me :([14:39:36] *** felixdz_ has joined #opensolaris[14:40:31] <Tempt> lewellyn: What's the actual problem you're trying to solve?[14:40:49] *** digifor has quit IRC[14:41:09] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[14:42:18] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[14:42:59] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[14:43:41] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:44:17] <lewellyn> Tempt: i need to run an app that "needs" glx, render, xinerama, and randr. and it does extremely pointless updates, killing performance.[14:44:23] <Chiron|> is the fluendo-package the only way to get mp3 on os playing?[14:44:25] <lewellyn> binary applications are not always good :P[14:44:31] <lewellyn> Chiron|: realplayer :)[14:45:06] <lewellyn> and yes, i see the irony of typing those two lines one after the other ;)[14:45:45] <Chiron|> i want to listen to music with songbird, and i dont want to register because i want to use songbird[14:46:24] *** felixdz_ has quit IRC[14:47:04] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[14:47:27] <Tempt> lewellyn: You're on Exceed then, probably with no other choice. What application is this?[14:47:29] <lewellyn> Chiron|: i haven't used songbird, so i know nothing of it, sorry :([14:47:43] <Chiron|> np :)[14:47:47] <g4lt-lappy> honestly, rhythmbox does mp3 out of the box[14:48:01] <lewellyn> Tempt: it's a custombrewed app that i'm going to be complaining majorly about[14:48:08] <Tempt> that does what?[14:48:11] <g4lt-lappy> if you want to plug in to songbird, then you have to suck uyp the consequences of doing it[14:48:14] <Tempt> something utterly pointless?[14:48:16] <lewellyn> and it looks like it's another couple hundred per seat over to exceed again :([14:48:22] <lewellyn> Tempt: don't ask, please.:([14:48:36] <lewellyn> it shouldn't be an x11 app in the first place, in my book.[14:48:56] <Tempt> So the application that can't be described nor named with an insane list of requirements requires Exceed.[14:48:59] <Tempt> Well, it's probably cheaper than the per-seat cost on your custom app anyway.[14:49:11] <Tempt> or you could give the users actual UNIX workstations.[14:49:13] <lewellyn> looking at hummingbird's marketing, exceed 3d is the product. only $195/seat[14:49:30] <lewellyn> better than talking to my hummingbird rep. they always try to sell me nasty packages :P[14:49:33] <g4lt-lappy> cheap at half the price[14:49:51] <lewellyn> Tempt: in this case, i'm noticing the issue because i'm stuck on windows[14:50:11] <lewellyn> until i try to poke at zdb again in a few hours, anyhow[14:50:40] <Tempt> Well, enjoy Exceed. Everything else sucks.[14:51:26] <g4lt-lappy> well, since you're on windows, the per-seat on hummingbird is the least of your problems. try the per-seat on the frakkingOS[14:52:04] *** urbanmonk has joined #opensolaris[14:55:05] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[14:55:33] <digifor> How can I translate a wvdial.conf file to what I need for pppd in solaris?[14:55:52] <digifor> http://rafb.net/p/8cZ4Or94.html[14:56:33] <g4lt-lappy> why not just get wvdial from sunfreeware or blastwave?[14:56:46] <digifor> Or alternatively does OpenSolaris have a wvdial equivalent?[14:57:47] <digifor> g4lt-lappy, thanks.[14:57:51] <chrisg> excuse me girl, i know its a bit embarressing, but i just noticed the tanlines on your shirt like[14:57:56] <chrisg> see i reckon you're about an 8 or a 9![14:58:01] * chrisg hums along to chav music[14:58:14] <Tempt> Bizarre.[14:58:32] <CIA-33> Sowmini Varadhan <Sowmini.Varadhan at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2006/482 ip2mac() Kernel IP to MAC Mapping Function, 6399103 Need interface to determine link-layer address for a given IP address (ip2mac ipv6 part)[14:58:51] *** pablomh has quit IRC[14:58:56] <chrisg> indeed[14:59:05] <chrisg> seeings i was aiming for another channel, to annoy someone[14:59:06] <chrisg> :)[15:00:44] <Tempt> I gather you're going to stop now.[15:00:58] <chrisg> yeah[15:00:59] <chrisg> in here at least[15:01:00] <chrisg> :P[15:01:10] <chrisg> i dont think the opensolaris community wants to hear my singing, relaly[15:01:12] <chrisg> really*[15:01:30] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[15:04:19] *** urbanmonk has quit IRC[15:06:14] *** Dar has quit IRC[15:07:27] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:08:14] *** qdot has quit IRC[15:11:44] *** scrash09 has joined #opensolaris[15:12:08] *** luisbg_ has joined #opensolaris[15:12:59] <scrash09> I'm hoping to install OS in a Xen DomU. 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BFU seems a bit coarse as an approach, smpatch seems more promising. Is there a general recommendation?[16:52:44] <sparcdr> ok e^[16:52:55] <sparcdr> yarihm: BFU doesn't exist on Sol10[16:52:55] <flyingparchment> yarihm: there is no bfu for S10[16:53:00] <flyingparchment> yarihm: use live upgrade and pca[16:53:04] *** proberts_ has joined #opensolaris[16:53:09] <yarihm> aha[16:53:15] *** cwebber has quit IRC[16:53:16] <yarihm> live upgrade and pca[16:53:16] <sparcdr> you need to use patch clusters or lu[16:53:29] <flyingparchment> yarihm: and read the sun patching best practices document on bigadmin[16:54:25] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[16:54:36] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[16:54:47] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[16:55:02] *** aramdune has quit IRC[16:55:57] <e^ipi> really, the spec files should "just work"[16:56:04] <e^ipi> if they don't, then the spec file is broken[16:56:15] <yarihm> pca seems nice ...[16:57:08] *** ken1 has quit IRC[16:57:18] <bda_> pca++[16:57:32] *** bda_ is now known as bda[16:57:43] *** e1kg has 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solaris?[17:15:14] <sparcdr> not per se...[17:15:45] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: docs.sun.com didn't answer your question?[17:15:55] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** homeboy has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** Berny has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** nyati has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** mdh has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** Catsceo has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** bbarker has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** d6g has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** sniffy has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[17:15:55] *** pfn has 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exp ;)[17:20:00] <e^ipi> which is unfortunate for the share price[17:20:12] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: see: 'most'[17:20:23] <g4lt-lappy> have you actually ASKED yet Ayatolla, or are you just expecting us to read your mind?[17:21:31] <Ayatolla> e^ipi, sure thing, i was going to, but wanted to make sure that i'm in the right place.. i have both 2 secondhand sun servers, sun fire v240, there is no os installed, and i don't have the alom password.. i have connected via serial mgt and can get by the posts and openboot, but gets stuck on "please login"[17:21:45] *** kolla_ has quit IRC[17:21:48] *** e-jat has quit IRC[17:22:04] <Ayatolla> have searched the net for how to reset the alom, but those pages i've been looking into says something about a timeout and a ok> prompt[17:22:18] <Ayatolla> but all i get is #. escape to get back to alom[17:22:47] <Ayatolla> can't i reset the alom passwd with some jumpers or any other hard reset?[17:22:54] <flyingparchment> if you don't know the password, how did you get to the serial console?[17:23:02] <holcomb> from within solaris: /usr/platform/`uname -i`/bin/scadm[17:23:02] *** ken1 has quit IRC[17:23:04] <lewellyn> that's what i was just typing, flyingparchment :([17:23:07] <Ayatolla> flyingparchment what!?[17:23:25] <flyingparchment> Ayatolla: if you don't know the alom password, how did you connect to the alom and access the serial console?[17:24:20] <Ayatolla> flyingparchment i cant get in to the serial console (i'm guessing that it's the console which is suppose to have a sc> as prompt).. all i get is the openboot posts and then i can press escape to get in to the alom menu[17:25:01] <flyingparchment> if you can't get the serial console, how can you see openboot?[17:25:10] <flyingparchment> openboot appears on the serial console[17:25:16] <psychicist> CosmicDJ: I don't think it should have to be only x86 and wonder where that elbrus or leon system is again. unfortunately sparc v8 only, but at least they run linux or maybe some older sunos version ;)[17:25:44] <Ayatolla> flyingparchment, ok then, i might not get in to open boot then.. i don't actyally know.. i just read some on the net and thouth that it might be openboot i get in to[17:25:49] <CosmicDJ> psychicist: or *bsd ...[17:26:05] <sparcdr> freebsd on sparcv9 (ultra2/80) is quite decent[17:26:06] <gkl> Ayatolla: you're missin the alom password but not the prom password?[17:26:39] <lewellyn> or vice versa?[17:26:40] <flyingparchment> Ayatolla: perhaps you should paste exactly what you're seeing[17:26:51] <lewellyn> (to a pastebin)[17:26:53] <gkl> I've had all sorts of similar problems (I buy a lot of secondhand sun equipment)[17:27:06] <Ayatolla> listen folks, i'm a hp-ux and aix guy and are totaly new to sun, this was going to be my first attempt to learn sun/solaris by getting these servers.. i don't know what prom even is[17:27:11] *** sniffy has quit IRC[17:27:11] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[17:27:11] *** homeboy has quit IRC[17:27:12] *** Catsceo has 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<e^ipi> i've an old amd sempron machine that ran solaris[17:28:37] <g4lt-lappy> even if there's a prom password, stop-n should clear it[17:29:14] <gkl> uh[17:29:16] *** Laevar has joined #opensolaris[17:29:20] <Ayatolla> i mean, there must be a way to do a totaly reset of the server when i have it in front of me.. a hard factory reset[17:29:23] <psychicist> sparcdr: I might try the latest version of their sparc port, I maintain a sparc v8 build of slackware myself and it would be nice to compare all three OSes[17:29:36] <sparcdr> ive used slackware on sparc, bad experience[17:29:39] <Ayatolla> there is also a smart card in these servers.. what's stored on that?[17:29:40] <gkl> I know with Blade 100's, you cannot reset the prom password without putting a new nvram chip in[17:29:53] <e^ipi> sparcdr: linux on sparc is pretty well known to be poor[17:30:02] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: the system configuration[17:30:05] <sparcdr> gentoo was best experience with extreme cost of time[17:30:33] <sparcdr> lots of exclusions and backpeddling, using dev branches for this and that[17:30:38] <sparcdr> eventually got it working nicely[17:30:39] <lewellyn> sparcdr: linux half-heartedly supports most sun hardware, as well may be expected[17:30:48] <sparcdr> partly sun's own fault[17:30:51] <psychicist> sparcdr: it's much better now, I can assure you, because I've made sure almost everything works now. but of course solaris is a better fit[17:30:58] <sparcdr> of course[17:31:04] <Laevar> hello, i have difficulties to understand how the vtoc information corresponds to the x86 fdisk-behaviour. i created 2 solaris2 partitions with opensolaris 2008.11 and the vtoc information only corresponds to first partition[17:31:07] <sparcdr> trying to get into my ec2 instance of osol >_>[17:31:13] <lewellyn> why is it "sun's own fault"? they have an open os for their hardware. and it's been free for MANY years before ;)[17:31:23] <sparcdr> not necessarily[17:31:34] <sparcdr> only decrepitude 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accelerated[17:32:53] <Ayatolla> lewellyn not more then the name[17:33:02] <sparcdr> Martin B's variant does basic functionality on osol, with help from what's already been done on the BSD's and what have you[17:33:04] <Ayatolla> lewellyn openfirmware = openboot?[17:33:24] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[17:34:03] <lewellyn> Ayatolla: yes. and POWER systems use openfirmware[17:34:18] <Ayatolla> ok..[17:34:24] <lewellyn> you said you knew ibm machines, so i was going to point out that if you know openfirmware you know openboot :)[17:34:32] *** ken1 is now known as kenH-[17:34:34] <sparcdr> cool[17:35:04] *** Dar has quit IRC[17:35:33] <lewellyn> apparently the olpc is the newest thing to use openfirmware. it just earned points in my book[17:35:56] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[17:36:16] <g4lt-lappy> I thought it used openprom[17:36:51] <sparcdr> only SPARC uses openprom[17:39:17] <lewellyn> openboot == openfirmware == openprom == openbios[17:39:51] *** tsoome has joined 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desktops might not, but then if a $250 sparc desktop existed, it probably wouldn't either[17:42:43] <lewellyn> intel has included serial consoles on their server bards for ages[17:42:52] <sparcdr> can't have RFB, you get VNC, Telnet, SSH, pick one..[17:43:00] *** teknomega has joined #opensolaris[17:43:07] <lewellyn> RFB is VNC[17:43:12] <teknomega> anyone have a tutorial for Link Aggregation for OpenSolaris ?[17:43:14] <sparcdr> more intelligent[17:43:23] <sparcdr> techqber1: vnic/dladm you mean[17:43:33] <flyingparchment> teknomega: a "tutorial"? what's wrong with the manual? (man dladm)[17:43:37] <lewellyn> no, VNC is an implementation of RFB[17:43:47] <sparcdr> whaetevr[17:43:50] <lewellyn> read the olivetti/att/realvnc docs[17:43:51] <e^ipi> teknomega: tutorials are wrong almost always[17:43:59] <sparcdr> Agreed a terrible protocol, but nonetheless only option for sending a framebuffer over the wire besides forwarding X11 and thus having such requirement (Impossible to burn-in)[17:44:06] <e^ipi> read the docs, they're correct in so far as errors are either bugs, or errors of omission[17:44:33] <teknomega> e^ipi, maybe so .. but its a great starting point[17:44:34] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[17:44:43] <psychicist> flyingparchment: I'll probably have to look for better hardware then, thanks[17:44:44] <e^ipi> incorrect information is rarely a good starting point[17:44:46] <flyingparchment> it's a single command, who would write a tutorial for a single command?[17:45:00] *** sniffy has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** homeboy has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** Catsceo has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** nyati has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** GNUix has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** javatexan has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** pfn has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** d6g has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[17:45:00] *** Berny has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** sponix has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** mdh has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** estibi has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** dduvall has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** bbarker has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** eviljames has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** j0nas has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** asyd has quit IRC[17:45:01] <sparcdr> man dladm[17:45:06] <teknomega> e^ipi, it would have shown me that opensolaris uses dladm ... if its wrong i would have figured it out from there[17:45:15] <teknomega> sparcdr, shhhh.. i already am[17:46:41] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[17:47:09] *** alfism has quit IRC[17:47:09] *** proberts has quit IRC[17:47:09] *** kenH- has quit IRC[17:47:24] <flyingparchment> psychicist: dell, sun, ibm, hp...[17:47:33] <sparcdr> magic carpet ride[17:47:36] * sparcdr vanishes[17:47:44] <flyingparchment> (but careful with hp, you have to pay for the lom license)[17:48:12] <lewellyn> psychicist: practically any intel server board from the past 10 or 15 years will have a serial console for you ;)[17:48:28] <flyingparchment> but that would be ipmi, right? i really don't like ipmi[17:48:34] <flyingparchment> seems to break often and cause weird problems[17:48:40] <Laevar> could it be, that only one solaris-(fdisk)-partition is created with slices, and that the other partitions are only accessible via the ending "px" (and without vtoc-information)?[17:48:44] <lewellyn> flyingparchment: usually just raw rs-232[17:48:54] <lewellyn> just like ttya on a sparc :)[17:49:00] <flyingparchment> lewellyn: but that doesn't give you remote power cycle, etc[17:49:13] <lewellyn> flyingparchment: it's not what he was asking for, iirc ;)[17:49:34] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[17:49:46] <lewellyn> i seem to recall him saying that you can't default to a serial console[17:50:05] <lewellyn> both ami and phoenix (the only 2 names) have serial support[17:50:33] <psychicist> lewellyn: I got the message, I've always stuck to the consumer stuff but now that x86 is finally growing up I'm looking at a dual socket server board with console for my next system ;)[17:50:46] <e^ipi> x86 has grown up?[17:50:47] <sparcdr> dual? go for quad quad core >_>[17:50:56] <lewellyn> sparcdr: dual *socket*[17:51:05] <lewellyn> think before you type.[17:51:06] <sparcdr> i said quad[17:51:08] <sparcdr> as in socket[17:51:11] <sparcdr> there's such a thing[17:51:14] <lewellyn> you said core[17:51:16] <g4lt-lappy> e^ipi, it can be charged as an adult now?[17:51:19] <sparcdr> quad socket quad core[17:51:29] <lewellyn> enough from you[17:51:33] <sparcdr> so? rock has 16 cores 8 threads? it's always ahead... but sun keeps delaying it[17:51:49] <sparcdr> running around trying to get bought out[17:51:55] <flyingparchment> or just wait a month for 6-core cpus[17:52:21] <lewellyn> psychicist: if you're a byo sort, an intel server board would probably be a nice introduction. they're not overly-featured, but they're stable and give lots of good info. some do ipmi, as flyingparchment said, and almost all do raw serial[17:52:24] <sparcdr> and another year for a dual socket board that supports it[17:52:45] <g4lt-lappy> no,new intel chips won't be useful untl september now. you don't need room heaters afteeer spring[17:52:46] <lewellyn> otherwise, go with sun or ibm's hardware[17:52:48] <sparcdr> that's just intel in general, takes a fare while to get back to dual or better after bumping cores up[17:52:49] <flyingparchment> sparcdr: a year? they exist right now[17:53:08] <sparcdr> they do a 8 core, only single socket is available to majority, then they release boards that are capable of it[17:53:41] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[17:53:43] <lewellyn> and if you're running solaris, sun's hardware is the way to go. ;)[17:53:47] <lewellyn> you pay for quality :)[17:53:54] <psychicist> I've got a quad core phenom in my system now, but I'll probably get a dual socket (12-16 cores per processor) next year. I didn't think it made sense to build one now with new processors and 8/16 gb ddr3 modules in the pipeline[17:55:18] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[17:55:19] <sparcdr> cool[17:55:25] * codestr0m wants a new quad core Dell m4400[17:56:18] *** Posterdati has quit IRC[17:56:39] *** il_padrino has quit IRC[17:57:02] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[17:57:35] * g4lt-lappy is still wanting a niagra laptop[18:01:07] <teknomega> dladm create-aggr -d bge0 1[18:01:11] <teknomega> says that the link is busy[18:01:16] <teknomega> but i did.. .ifconfig bge0 down[18:01:26] *** Dar is now known as Dar_AFK[18:01:26] <flyingparchment> ifconfig bge0 unplumb[18:01:30] <teknomega> ahh ty[18:01:31] <sparcdr> bge is your problem[18:01:32] <psychicist> g4lt-lappy: count me in for one too, I've wanted to get away from x86 mobile stuff for some time now[18:01:44] <sparcdr> broadcom crap and gld3 smells bad[18:02:20] <sparcdr> psychicist: isn't going to happen.. mobile sparc dead in 2006, mobile alpha dead in 1996, mips never made it[18:02:36] *** div8 has quit IRC[18:02:38] <sparcdr> not for anything productive or alike to what you expect at least[18:03:13] <psychicist> sparcdr: for mips I've got loongson stuff and a low-end netbook with an ingenic soc[18:03:37] *** myosound has quit IRC[18:03:47] <g4lt-lappy> sparcdr, RDI for you on line one, ISTR the alphabook ran to 2003ish at least[18:03:55] *** boyd has quit IRC[18:03:57] *** Laevar has quit IRC[18:04:07] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** homeboy has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** Berny has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** nyati has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** mdh has joined #opensolaris[18:04:07] *** 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sun killed all workstations[18:05:12] <sparcdr> ibm barely offers anything[18:05:29] <g4lt-lappy> sparcdr, and surprisiongly, both naturetech and tadpole are still making new stuff[18:05:32] *** perlmongo1 has joined #opensolaris[18:05:36] <psychicist> sparcdr: that's the problem with sun, maybe it's me but I don't think they understand volume[18:05:47] <sparcdr> or keeping things decent?[18:05:52] <sparcdr> like their shite gfx chips are lulz[18:05:56] <g4lt-lappy> and 2/3 of the ultra3swere naturetech rebrands[18:06:04] <sparcdr> g4lt-lappy: sad[18:06:30] <sparcdr> pcwl 11mbit wireless without wpa support, next to worthless 3d accel which depends on xsun, which they wont port[18:06:35] <sparcdr> i can understand why they killed it[18:06:41] <teknomega> whats wrong with BGE ?[18:06:55] <sparcdr> a fair share dont support gld3, needed for link aggregation[18:07:23] *** nick234 has joined #opensolaris[18:07:29] <nick234> any jumpstart experts in here?[18:07:44] *** myosound has joined 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I've installed 2008.11 to a USB thumb drive and had to use grubinstall on a patched stage1 and stage2 to fix the devid bug.[18:46:07] <mccune> However, the system did not boot properly after updating. Does a boot environment invoke grubinstall, and if so was the unpatched stage1 and stage2 installed, overwriting my "fixed" stage1 and stage2?[18:48:21] <koberoi> Looking for help... If I want to get a newer version of an installed package available in a different repository, should pkg install <packagename> do the trick? [it says, "Nothing to install in this image (is this package already installed?)"][18:49:57] <JWheeler> I don't think you can mix and match like that[18:50:23] <koberoi> I'm on OpenSolaris 2008.05 and am trying to update SUNWlibms from pkg.opensolaris.org/release[18:50:30] *** nick234 has quit IRC[18:50:55] <JWheeler> maybe that's been added recently though. If so, you'd need some extra argument, because it will just look in you default repo with extra instructions I'd imagine[18:51:08] <koberoi> (so, I changed the package authority from pkg.opensolaris.org to pkg.opensolaris.org/release)[18:51:15] *** ken1 has quit IRC[18:51:33] *** taltamir has quit IRC[18:52:05] <codestr0m> dbx is pretty old.. does anyone know if any even really ancient version had a source release?[18:52:19] * derPUPE ist away (-no carrier-)[18:52:22] *** derPUPE is now known as derPUPE_[18:53:23] <JWheeler> I haven't used release sorry[18:53:28] *** proberts has quit IRC[18:53:42] <JWheeler> I've only used dev, and I found at the time that I couldn't mix dev and the default repo for 1 off packages[18:56:39] <koberoi> JWheeler: thanks for thinking about this[18:56:48] <koberoi> Here's one more data item....[18:57:00] <koberoi> $ pkg list -u SUNWlibms[18:57:02] <koberoi> NAME (AUTHORITY) VERSION STATE UFIX[18:57:04] <koberoi> SUNWlibms 0.5.11-0.86 installed u---[18:57:05] <koberoi> $[18:57:16] *** aramdune has joined #opensolaris[18:57:17] <koberoi> so, it looks like it knows that an update is available[18:58:30] <CIA-33> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6818813 zoneadm attach -u overwrites /etc/default/init in non global zone[18:58:32] <CIA-33> Randall Ralphs <Randall.Ralphs at Sun dot COM>: 6816904 scsi_hba_log should use __func__[18:59:41] <JWheeler> yeah, I don't know sorry[19:01:10] <JWheeler> pkg authority lists release does it?[19:04:07] *** darth4 has joined #opensolaris[19:05:02] *** pgr has quit IRC[19:05:27] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[19:06:45] <koberoi> JWheeler: Yep![19:07:49] <JWheeler> ok, so I'm just thinking about this some more.... release was the 2008.11 release, and it hasn't been touched[19:08:25] <JWheeler> I don't know that trying to grab 2008.11 packages while still on 2008.05 is supported[19:09:14] <JWheeler> I've never run 2008.05 though, so I didn't read the upgrade notes.... I was pretty sure I read it on a blog somewhere though[19:09:41] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[19:10:14] *** MattMan has quit IRC[19:13:28] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[19:13:31] <koberoi> image-update would do all packages, I think. I just want 1 package updated[19:14:26] <JWheeler> go on, live dangerously[19:15:03] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:16:12] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[19:16:45] *** Guest63313 has quit IRC[19:16:52] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[19:18:59] <koberoi> :-)[19:20:50] *** MrHeavy_ is now known as MrHeavy[19:21:07] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[19:21:08] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[19:22:17] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:23:28] <JWheeler> I just don't think you can continue using 2008.05. HEAPS has happened since then, and there has been a huge amount of development around ipkg itself. Why would you want to stay on the much older release anyway?[19:24:27] <koberoi> Actually, it is a test. I will try it with 2008.11 and ipkg and see if I get the same results[19:25:13] <JWheeler> ok, just remember that if you want newer packages, release isn't being updated. This point hasn't been made clear at all, and was rather confusing for me[19:26:28] *** myosound has quit IRC[19:26:47] *** Randello has quit IRC[19:28:28] <koberoi> yeah, that's why I wanted to try updating to a newer version of a package, so I started with 2008.05 and pointed to /release. Since /release is stable with 2008.11, I can try updating from /dev or something else[19:29:29] <koberoi> I'm trying to validate how one can update 1 package b/c of a fix we want 2008.11 users to get[19:29:54] <JWheeler> oh ok. I'm not that much of an expert sorry, just a home user[19:30:49] <koberoi> JWheeler: I appreciate the input/response![19:31:05] *** koberoi has quit IRC[19:31:07] <JWheeler> np :)[19:31:28] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[19:31:59] *** yarihm has quit IRC[19:32:28] *** Erwann has quit IRC[19:32:29] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[19:32:52] *** ken1 is now known as keN-H[19:33:46] *** timeless has quit IRC[19:34:18] *** init3 has quit IRC[19:34:50] *** piwi has quit IRC[19:34:56] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[19:37:17] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[19:37:38] *** gremp has joined #opensolaris[19:38:27] <gremp> hello[19:39:05] *** bubbva has quit IRC[19:39:51] *** gremp has quit IRC[19:39:52] *** keN-H has quit IRC[19:40:54] *** gremp has joined #opensolaris[19:43:58] *** capaz has quit IRC[19:46:24] *** cmihai has quit IRC[19:46:26] <gremp> hello, i'm trying to mount a ntfs filesystem and with the ntfs-3g command i get NTFS signature is missing, when i try to mount the partition with the 'mount -F ntfs' command the partition get mounted but after a few seconds even a ls command on the mounted folder freezes..can any1 help me please?[19:49:24] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[19:49:25] *** wms has quit IRC[19:49:38] <estibi> in what build xorg server was upgraded last time?[19:49:39] *** ken1 has quit IRC[19:51:05] <prav33n> Is there a way to sort the aggregation output in dtrace on a different field other than the default one?[19:51:17] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[19:52:09] <kimc> hello ken1 what is vimperator?[19:53:22] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[19:54:54] <estibi> kimc: plugin for firefox[19:55:03] <kimc> ah ok[19:55:55] <kimc> i just googled it.. looks like it allows you to use a vim-like editor with firefox[19:56:17] <kimc> wonder if thats like using vi in you browser[19:57:38] *** marctw has joined #opensolaris[19:57:45] <marctw> What do you do if you can't find the key for your Sun server? :([19:57:52] <marctw> it's stuck trying to net boot and no one can change anything[19:58:31] <kimc> there is a way to boot it without the root password.. is that what you want?[19:58:47] <kimc> get access without the root password?[19:58:56] <marctw> lanc in #solaris told me <lanc> I am not sure if a 'setenv dieag-switch? false' overrides the physical key[19:59:23] <trichobezoar> screwdriver[19:59:34] <marctw> its 4 miles from me[19:59:34] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:00:46] *** tfb has quit IRC[20:01:07] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:01:12] <kimc> some commands you can issue at boot are here: http://www.marchansen.com/tn105/#4[20:01:15] <Chiron|> in what package is libstdc++.so.6?[20:02:05] <holcomb> is this opensolaris or regular?[20:02:14] <kimc> so.. if you wanted to boot from a disk instead of netboot you could make the change there ..assuming you have a bootable disk of course[20:02:57] *** Younger has joined #opensolaris[20:03:52] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[20:05:48] *** Zaba has joined #opensolaris[20:05:48] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:05:57] <CosmicDJ> Chiron|: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/querying_ips_package_contents[20:06:15] *** ottom has joined #opensolaris[20:06:15] <kimc> libstdc__.so.6 is in /usr/sfw/lib[20:06:19] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:06:23] <Chiron|> thx CosmicDJ[20:06:29] *** Zaba_ has quit IRC[20:06:30] <kimc> that is libstdc++.so.6[20:08:40] <kimc> where is 'pkg' ?[20:09:02] <kimc> is it in the pkg pkg?[20:09:06] <CosmicDJ> it's in opensolaris 2008.xy or higher[20:09:11] <marctw> server is a a Sunfire 280R[20:09:14] <kimc> ah ok[20:09:27] <marctw> any ideas?[20:09:49] <CosmicDJ> marctw: what was your problem again?[20:10:11] *** cwebber has quit IRC[20:10:11] <marctw> What do you do if you can't find the key for your Sun server? :([20:10:15] <marctw> it's stuck trying to net boot and no one can change anything[20:10:46] <CosmicDJ> marctw: connect to the serial console (or sc)[20:11:25] <SQlvpapir> in zfs.. how do I replace two small drives with one with capacity larger than the small ones combined?[20:12:36] <CosmicDJ> marctw: and then poweron, poweroff, boot disk, boot cdrom as you like[20:12:36] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:12:48] <bda> You don't. You replace both the devices in the pool.[20:13:05] <phaedrus5> SQlvpapir: I don't suppose it's a mirror zpool?[20:13:30] <bda> I guess you could run it degraded in that case.[20:13:31] <bda> but ugh.[20:13:49] <monsted> ZFS needs data migration tools :([20:14:01] <bda> Like zfs send/recv?[20:14:04] <cidco> does solaris / zfs not like filenames with lots os periods in them ?[20:14:13] <cidco> os = of[20:14:26] <bda> cidco: Seems unlikely either would care. Why?[20:14:47] <CosmicDJ> well a file named '.' or '..' won't work ;)[20:14:57] <bda> ;P[20:14:58] <cidco> I have 2 fileservers setup with ZFS, I backed up information to one and now i want to copy the files off the one server to the other.[20:15:07] <SQlvpapir> phaedrus5: its a non-redundant array[20:15:23] <cidco> I pulled up the smb share on the new server and started copying files.[20:15:37] <cidco> all the files copied except for some with periods instead of spaces[20:15:48] <bda> SQlvpapir: That was your first mistake, unfortunately.[20:15:51] <cidco> i cant even open those files[20:16:03] <SQlvpapir> bda: I dont need any redundancy for this pool[20:16:20] <bda> SQlvpapir: Well, now you get to use cp/mv/rsync/zfs send. :)[20:16:47] <cidco> and the error i get copying the files is "operation not applicable"[20:16:51] <CosmicDJ> tar/pax/cpio ...[20:17:14] <bda> CosmicDJ: Why are we even joking around. Obviously the only answer is star.[20:17:18] <CosmicDJ> cidco: which files cause problems?[20:17:18] <SQlvpapir> so there is no smart way to do it :([20:17:46] <CosmicDJ> SQlvpapir: create a new zpool pool with your new disk and migrate your data from the 2 old disks.[20:18:02] <SQlvpapir> CosmicDJ: the old pool is larger than the 2 old disks[20:18:10] <SQlvpapir> hence the problem[20:18:17] <bda> ..what?[20:18:25] <CosmicDJ> huh?[20:18:33] *** yarihm has quit IRC[20:18:41] <CosmicDJ> sparse files? ;)[20:18:53] <cidco> CosmicDJ its some video files im moving from another server.[20:19:20] <cidco> Any files with periods instead of spaces didnt copy.[20:19:39] <CosmicDJ> mmhh, I'd definitively use redudancy for my pr0n collection...[20:19:44] <CosmicDJ> +n[20:19:55] <CosmicDJ> cidco: where are the dots?[20:20:03] <CosmicDJ> cidco: give us a filename[20:20:58] <SQlvpapir> it would be really nice to be able to migrate some small disks to a single bigger one. that way a big pool can easily be migrated to new disks w/o having a temp nas available[20:20:58] <cidco> Lord.Of.The.Rings.Two.Towers.Extended.Edition.720p.wmv[20:21:16] <bda> That's a "backup" right.[20:21:20] <cidco> yes[20:21:23] <edvil> of ccourse[20:21:36] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:21:41] <cidco> Thats, why im making this server to backup my investment.[20:21:43] *** Younger has left #opensolaris[20:22:31] <CosmicDJ> and you're using windows to copy them, on your Opensolaris CIFS server?[20:23:11] <cidco> I copied them from windows to a server solaris cifs server to back them up, then copied them from that server to a new solaris cifs server i setup.[20:23:26] <bda> How did you copy them?[20:23:38] <bda> The second time.[20:23:47] <CosmicDJ> exact command[20:24:05] <cidco> so from the backup server to my new server?[20:24:25] <cidco> I just dragged and dropped them from gnome.[20:25:31] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris[20:25:32] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:25:38] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[20:25:46] *** MrStamp has joined #opensolaris[20:25:53] <cidco> and I know the files are still good because from my windows box i can pull up the backup servers share and run them no problem.[20:26:46] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:27:20] <CosmicDJ> but all dots in your filename are replaced with ' ' ?[20:27:53] *** MrStamp has quit IRC[20:28:12] *** MrStamp has joined #opensolaris[20:28:32] *** Chiron|_ has joined #opensolaris[20:28:52] <cidco> no, I was just saying that it only affected files that had . instead of spsaces in the filenames.[20:29:12] <cidco> all other files that used spaces copied to the other server no problem.[20:30:13] <CosmicDJ> hm... sounds more like a GNOME problem ;)[20:30:32] <cidco> yes, i think your probably right[20:30:47] <cidco> should i just smb mount them and do it from command line?[20:31:44] <cidco> hmm[20:31:54] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[20:31:55] <cidco> doesnt appear to be an smbmount command in solaris[20:32:03] *** zahna has joined #opensolaris[20:32:18] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[20:32:25] <zahna> is opensolaris supposed to be a desktop system?[20:32:27] <CosmicDJ> hm... I'd netcat a zfs send stream ;)[20:32:52] <CosmicDJ> zahna: yes, the finest server technology for your desktop[20:32:53] <cidco> that sounds difficult[20:32:54] <zahna> i'm not seeing a good way to do a "base" install[20:32:57] <e^ipi> SQlvpapir: you can replace disks with larger ones[20:33:04] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[20:33:05] <e^ipi> and then the pool magically grows[20:33:43] <zahna> like, i don't want X11, etc[20:33:50] <e^ipi> zahna: disk is cheap. the extra 100 megs the GUI stuff takes costs you less than a pneny[20:33:53] <e^ipi> *penny[20:34:00] <e^ipi> just disable the GUI and you're good[20:34:11] <zahna> then, can i have the GUI disabled from the install?[20:34:13] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[20:34:33] <e^ipi> once the machine is running, just disable the gdm service through smf[20:34:49] <zahna> that's the only way?[20:35:08] <CosmicDJ> you could unplug your video card ;)[20:35:47] <e^ipi> yes, that's the only way[20:35:47] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:35:50] <zahna> i guess i was just hoping there would be a way to have the system a little sleek by default[20:36:16] <e^ipi> really want to save that fraction of a penny worth of disk space for some reason?[20:36:23] <CosmicDJ> it is when you compare it with solaris10[20:36:39] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[20:36:54] <e^ipi> X is a good thing to have installed anyways, because you never know what depends on it unnecessarily[20:36:59] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:37:15] <e^ipi> i've seen a chunk of non-GUI apps that depend on gtk+[20:37:21] <zahna> i don't care as much about the disk space as the hassle of having to go to console and manually turn off the graphical system[20:37:32] <zahna> it's just one extra step[20:38:07] <e^ipi> presumably automated installer will have some way of putting config files down[20:38:11] <e^ipi> such as default services[20:38:16] *** bigjohnto has joined #opensolaris[20:38:26] <bigjohnto> how can I setup dual monitors in solaris? using CDE[20:38:51] <zahna> yeah, that's a good point. does opensolaris use jumpstart?[20:38:57] <e^ipi> no[20:39:04] <zahna> kickstart?[20:39:15] <e^ipi> that's even further away from reality[20:39:20] <zahna> :)[20:39:32] <e^ipi> no, there's an automated installer thing in the works[20:39:36] <zahna> oh, ok[20:39:48] <zahna> any plan on a long term supported release?[20:40:54] *** desai has joined #opensolaris[20:41:07] <e^ipi> yes[20:41:55] <zahna> that's the one thing that's keeping me from evaluating it more deeply[20:42:09] <holcomb> you just have to put a file /var/svc/profile/site.xml[20:42:16] <holcomb> look at the stuff in there for an example[20:42:23] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[20:42:27] <e^ipi> the lts release will probably look like a more polished and less buggy version of what you have now[20:42:46] <zahna> you mean more polished than 200811?[20:43:08] <e^ipi> yes[20:43:11] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:43:27] <zahna> wow. i thought 200811 was pretty good[20:43:36] <zahna> on par with redhat[20:43:49] <cidco> mounting to a smbfs share how can i specify the username in the mount command?[20:44:16] <jbk> mounting an smbfs share?[20:44:19] *** mib_fbvaw9sk has joined #opensolaris[20:44:27] <cidco> for example pfexec mount -F smbfs //dsmnas2/storage_admin /export/home/cidco/smbmount/[20:44:39] <jbk> //user@server/share[20:44:42] <cidco> when i type that it asks for the password, but how does it know what user i want to connect as?[20:44:45] <cidco> ah ok[20:45:15] <jbk> though don't try to put anything in vfstab and have it mount automatically at boot[20:45:19] <jbk> err any smb shares[20:45:29] *** dfg has joined #opensolaris[20:45:37] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[20:45:39] *** nprice has joined #opensolaris[20:45:42] <cidco> k , im just doing this temporarily, so i can figure out if my copying issue is with gnome or not[20:45:56] <jbk> it should be fixed if not in the next OS release, the one after it[20:49:05] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[20:51:10] *** jinx099 has joined #opensolaris[20:51:31] <CosmicDJ> 2010.01 ;)[20:52:05] <cidco> Well its definately a gnome problem! Copying fine from command line.[20:52:59] *** eviljames has quit IRC[20:54:02] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris[20:55:09] *** [JT] has quit IRC[20:57:39] *** wdp has quit IRC[20:57:56] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[20:58:20] *** zahna has left #opensolaris[20:58:38] <CIA-33> Mark Shellenbaum <Mark.Shellenbaum at Sun dot COM>: 6790064 zfs needs to determine uid and gid earlier in create process[20:59:08] <codestr0m> does anyone know if there is a conclusive yes/no on if gplv3 code and cddl code can mix[20:59:28] <codestr0m> simon/dalibor specifically where trying for it.. but I can't find any definitive answer[20:59:39] <codestr0m> (talking about mixing code. not linking)[20:59:51] *** Vonoff has quit IRC[21:01:09] *** wizeman has quit IRC[21:01:12] *** wizeman has joined #opensolaris[21:02:06] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[21:03:25] *** mega has joined #opensolaris[21:05:20] *** servo- has quit IRC[21:05:53] *** mccune has quit IRC[21:07:27] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html claims that CDDL is incompatible with the GPL[21:07:43] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yeah, but gpl. there's 3 versions[21:07:53] <codestr0m> gplv3 being the most compatible[21:08:54] <CosmicDJ> "In order to combine two programs (or substantial parts of them) into a larger work, you need to have permission to use both programs in this way. If there is no way to satisfy both licenses at once, they are incompatible."[21:09:41] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[21:10:24] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[21:10:44] *** Vonor has joined #opensolaris[21:11:14] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[21:13:56] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris[21:13:57] *** gkl is now known as glock[21:14:04] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: right.. so.. is there a big table which says gplv3 is compatible with xyz and not compatible with cddl[21:14:14] *** aramdune has quit IRC[21:14:18] <codestr0m> and linking + code merging is different in this case (I think)[21:15:45] *** g4lt-lappy is now known as g4lt-mordant[21:16:15] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: sry I'm no expert on that topic, just telling you what's written on gnu.org[21:16:36] *** init3 has joined #opensolaris[21:16:37] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yeah I saw that[21:17:01] <codestr0m> I think even if it is compatible the two groups don't like each other enough to simply not document it :P[21:19:09] <e^ipi> codestr0m: no, there wouldn't be that sort of table because it constitutes legal advice[21:20:16] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[21:20:26] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you know.. I can never figure out if you're trying to be helpful.. or just want to comment superfluously[21:21:21] <e^ipi> don't be a wank. i'm telling you that you won't find one that's worth trusting because no lawyer will post such advice freely and definatively if for no other reason than to cover their ass[21:22:01] <e^ipi> and posts from non-laywers are worth what they paid for their legal education ( id est, nothing )[21:22:04] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[21:22:19] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you know.. I can never figure out if you're trying to be helpful.. or just want to comment superfluously[21:22:36] *** Dar_AFK has quit IRC[21:23:54] *** aveteam has quit IRC[21:25:16] *** Ayatolla has joined #opensolaris[21:25:22] <Ayatolla> hi again folks[21:25:37] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[21:26:51] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[21:28:06] *** ejray_ has joined #opensolaris[21:28:25] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[21:30:03] <Ayatolla> was here a bit earlier today trying to get help with a sun fire v240 i have.. i'm back now in front of the server.. have connected via serial mgt, and this is what i get.. http://hoodeh.se/sun_serial_mgt.txt, any 1 know how i should go on? there is no os installed and i don't know the login/passwd.. how do i do a reset of the hole shit?[21:31:13] <Ayatolla> once timeout, i get this http://hoodeh.se/sun_timeout.txt[21:31:27] <Ayatolla> no ok> prompt as many forums on the net suggests[21:31:37] <jbk> try logging in with 'admin'[21:31:51] *** timeless has joined #opensolaris[21:31:57] *** mega has quit IRC[21:32:21] <CosmicDJ> and password 'changeme' ? ;)[21:32:34] *** mega has joined #opensolaris[21:32:37] <jbk> i think it doesn't have a password initially[21:33:07] * trichobezoar recalls root/changeme for his x4200[21:34:14] <Ayatolla> jbk it's not brand new, secondhand.. got 2 v240 as a gift[21:35:23] <Ayatolla> but isn't there any way to do a fully reset of everything? no jumpers or so? or do i even need to reset this to be able to install os or is there an other way to get round this[21:35:24] *** MrStamp has quit IRC[21:35:31] <trygvis> Ayatolla: you can flash/upgrade the alom[21:35:37] <trygvis> read the docs on docs.sun.com[21:35:54] <edvil> Ayatolla: http://blog.mc-thias.org/?c=1&more=1&pb=1&tb=1&title=sun_server_alom_password_reset_factory_d[21:36:19] *** ericjray has quit IRC[21:37:02] <Ayatolla> edvil have seen that before.. my ALOM boot escape menu dosen't look that way[21:37:25] <Ayatolla> w8, i'll get u guys a screen[21:37:40] *** yippi has quit IRC[21:37:46] <jbk> you have to hold down the esc key while you reset the alom[21:38:16] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:38:34] <Ayatolla> http://hoodeh.se/alom_menu.txt[21:39:06] <edvil> d - play DOOM[21:39:08] <edvil> !#[21:39:23] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[21:39:44] <trichobezoar> heh.[21:39:48] <trichobezoar> that's hilarious[21:39:51] <trichobezoar> what does that option do?[21:41:20] <trichobezoar> http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5199877 explains[21:41:22] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:43:47] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[21:44:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[21:44:24] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[21:44:44] <Ayatolla> i still don't get this, trygvis you were talking about reflashing the alom, do u or any1 here know how i'm suppose to do that when i don't get a prompt to exec any commands, there is no os installed and i don't know the alom passwd so i can boot from other devices[21:45:01] *** darth4 has quit IRC[21:45:21] *** ejray_ has quit IRC[21:45:26] <Ayatolla> trichobezoar and i don't have any other working installations of solaris.. i have 2 v240 but have the same issue on both so the swapping is out of options here[21:45:54] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[21:46:15] <trichobezoar> did you try exactly how thias.org said, to unplug power cables and wait then press escape while turning on?[21:46:24] <trygvis> I actually don't remember how I flashed the alom .. but I found out how on docs.sun.com[21:46:26] <Ayatolla> i'm willing to give 1 of them to any1 who can help me get the other one going[21:46:29] *** medar has quit IRC[21:47:16] *** JT__ has joined #opensolaris[21:47:21] *** wizeman has quit IRC[21:47:27] *** wizeman has joined #opensolaris[21:49:43] <JT__> I have a programming question for any OpenSolaris gurus out there.[21:49:48] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC[21:50:12] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[21:50:18] <JT__> I have a program that continuously checks for a single character user command as it runs.[21:50:29] <JT__> (Kind of like 'top')[21:50:42] *** Guest94019 has joined #opensolaris[21:50:43] <perlmongo1> Ayatolla: I missed the beginning of your story. You have 2 V240, no operating system installed (do you have any disks?), and you don't have the ALOM password?[21:50:44] <JT__> This: http://www.pastebin.ca/1373341 works well in Linux.[21:50:46] <trichobezoar> Ayatolla: did you try the turning off...[21:50:53] <JT__> ...but doesn't seem to work in OpenSolairs.[21:51:17] <trichobezoar> did you see if those flags are legit on opensolaris?[21:51:29] <Guest94019> Hello programmers :)[21:51:37] <trichobezoar> mostly just users, Guest94019[21:51:41] *** hajma_ has joined #opensolaris[21:51:44] <JT__> Mmm. I looked up the commands, but didn't go all the way into the flags.[21:51:49] <JT__> Let me do that.[21:52:38] <Ayatolla> perlmongo1 i have 4 disks.. some old installs on them, but not bootable.. yes no alom passwords and i'm trying to get a hint on how io should go on to recover/reset the passwds and install os[21:53:02] <Ayatolla> trichobezoar, yes[21:53:55] <perlmongo1> Hmm. I have a v240 that is running SXCE build 99. Want to borrow my boot disks? :;-)[21:54:23] <trichobezoar> try an opensolaris cd[21:54:26] <Guest94019> I assume, there must be a jumper to reset that password[21:54:33] <trichobezoar> err can you boot from the cd?[21:54:43] <e^ipi> Guest94019: that's a silly assumption[21:54:53] *** wizeman_ has joined #opensolaris[21:54:59] <e^ipi> why would you assume that?[21:54:59] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris[21:55:17] *** wizeman has quit IRC[21:55:50] <Ayatolla> perlmongo1 you bet![21:56:13] <perlmongo1> :-)[21:58:02] <trichobezoar> So you hit escape when Boot Sector.* is displayed?[21:58:31] <CIA-33> Krishnendu Sadhukhan - Sun Microsystems <Krishnendu.Sadhukhan at Sun dot COM>: 6791992 ZFS root doesn't handle an incorrect priocntl setting cleanly[21:58:54] *** MrStamp has joined #opensolaris[21:59:00] <trichobezoar> heh. /me re-reads link and shuts up[22:00:00] <FireflyST> anyone ever seen a wierd configure error like this? http://pastebin.com/m45dc1e97[22:00:22] <FireflyST> I'm trying to build the ffmpeg plugin for gstreamer[22:00:30] <FireflyST> gstreamer built just fine[22:00:36] *** alexus has joined #opensolaris[22:00:45] <trichobezoar> try removing the alom ?[22:01:32] <Guest94019> e^ipi : indeed. however it worked for some other machines.[22:01:39] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[22:01:39] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: what happens when you try to login as admin/changeme ? or type "#.", or send a BREAK?[22:02:20] <Guest94019> And - indeed - this solution doesn't mention any jumpers http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/summaries/2003-November/004642.html ;-)[22:02:25] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ, admin/changeme = incorrect.. #. gets me back to login[22:02:37] <trichobezoar> http://www.sun.com/servers/alom.html - can download the firmware there[22:03:56] *** hajma has quit IRC[22:04:06] *** Dorfo has joined #opensolaris[22:04:11] *** noptrix has quit IRC[22:05:08] <Dorfo> hi there, i am using the snv_109 and i cant install SUNWgcc pkg. It say something about trying to relaxing the pattern[22:05:20] <Dorfo> could anyone give me a hint?[22:05:38] <trichobezoar> pkg search -r gcc[22:05:48] <Dorfo> ok let me try[22:06:52] <Dorfo> that showed the basenames and the ddescription sets[22:07:24] <trichobezoar> the right package names for what you want will be on the rightmost colum[22:07:25] <trichobezoar> n[22:07:38] <Dorfo> yeah ok[22:07:39] <Dorfo> got it[22:07:42] <Dorfo> many thx[22:08:05] <e^ipi> note that that doesn't pull in the system headers[22:08:15] <e^ipi> or i think the assembler and linker[22:08:41] <Dorfo> and what i have to do to make this?[22:09:20] <e^ipi> there's a couple -dev metapackages that pull in all that stuff[22:09:30] <comay> Dorfo, "pkg install gcc-dev"[22:09:40] <comay> or "pkg install ss-dev" (for the sun studio family)[22:09:41] <e^ipi> ss-dev for the studio packages, gcc-dev for the gcc packages[22:09:46] <e^ipi> what comay said[22:10:28] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[22:10:47] <jbk> heh a friend of mine ran into an issue because gcc was already there, but the 'wrong' version (when installing gcc-dev)[22:11:29] <Guest94019> which C++ compiler (GCC vs. Sun Studio) is actually better ?[22:11:43] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[22:11:49] <Guest94019> (for AMD platform)[22:11:52] <e^ipi> define better?[22:11:59] <e^ipi> studio generates faster code[22:12:03] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[22:12:05] <JT__> trichobezoar: The flags seem to be the same. OpenSolaris has some kind of extra buffering that's causing issues - if I hit the key a few times, I get it to respond (and it responds in multiples).[22:12:07] <e^ipi> gcc has a better c++ standard library.[22:12:14] <JT__> Need to figure out how to turn off that buffering.[22:12:15] <e^ipi> for C, studio wins[22:12:20] <flyingparchment> except that the gcc in solaris is rather old[22:12:30] <flyingparchment> it's much less compliant than current versions[22:12:35] <e^ipi> flyingparchment: the c++ standard libraries are even older[22:12:43] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: huh?[22:12:53] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC[22:12:55] <jbk> are references to 'cfront' scattered throughout them? :)[22:13:01] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: the standard hasn't changed, but 3.4-era gcc had more implementation bugs than 4.x[22:13:02] <e^ipi> steleman knows the details but there's a reason he's trying to pull in apache/roguewave stdcxx[22:13:03] <Guest94019> that's why I ask ;-)[22:13:27] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[22:13:51] *** rastal has quit IRC[22:14:12] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[22:14:21] <Guest94019> Has anyone tried using other implementation of C++ library with Sun compiler ?[22:14:31] <Guest94019> Does it make any sense ?[22:14:36] *** mega has quit IRC[22:14:50] <CosmicDJ> Guest94019: CC -library=stlport4[22:15:06] <CosmicDJ> it's way faster...[22:15:17] <flyingparchment> also more compliant[22:15:23] <flyingparchment> the studio team recommend stlport for modern c++ code[22:15:47] <Guest94019> works out of the box for SunStudio12?[22:15:51] <flyingparchment> yes[22:16:28] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[22:16:43] *** mroconnor_ has joined #opensolaris[22:17:44] <Guest94019> thanks . I'm just about to compile some big piece of C++ code, designed for Linux without portability in mind. I hope, it will work at all :) (fortunately very few low-level code)[22:18:43] *** Dorfo1 has joined #opensolaris[22:19:01] *** Chiron|_ has quit IRC[22:19:33] *** ghulands has joined #opensolaris[22:20:04] <Guest94019> are there any other (that is non-GCC and non-SunStudio) good freeware compilers?[22:20:16] <flyingparchment> Intel C/C++[22:20:19] <flyingparchment> but it doesn't run on solaris[22:20:28] <Dorfo1> i still having the same error[22:20:53] <Dorfo1> pkg install SUNWgcc at 3 dot 4.3-0.101 doesnt work[22:20:57] <xRaich[o]2x> the intel compiler is not freeware isn't it?[22:21:23] <Guest94019> Dorfo1: pkg install SUNWgcc ;-)[22:21:38] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/sun-nvram-hostid.faq.html "Install a new NVRAM chip in a Sun 3/80, sun4c, or sun4m machine. Usually this will be due to NVRAM failure or loss of the NVRAM password in full security mode." I'd try that[22:21:46] <Dorfo1> doesnt worked either[22:21:48] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[22:21:49] <Dorfo1> :/[22:21:56] <Guest94019> Intel you say ?[22:22:16] <Guest94019> ok. I give Sun Studio a try ;-)[22:22:20] <Guest94019> See you later[22:22:21] <trichobezoar> nvram != alom[22:22:25] <Guest94019> thanks you all[22:22:43] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: the password is stored there I'd say[22:23:00] *** Guest94019 has left #opensolaris[22:23:00] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[22:23:48] <jamesd_> is tehre something that got fixed since b96 that would cause iscsi authenication to fail even though none is set..[22:23:51] <Dorfo1> pkg: pkg: The following pattern(s) did not match any packages in the current[22:23:51] <Dorfo1> catalog[22:24:19] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: but finding a disk that boots solaris10 and reset the password there might be easier[22:25:43] *** ghulands has left #opensolaris[22:27:40] *** Dorfo has quit IRC[22:28:03] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: here's also some info about jumpers "http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.solaris/browse_thread/thread/ba70a10ac3983540" be he doesn't show where he gets his info and I have no idea where they are[22:28:16] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: last post[22:28:23] <Ayatolla> checking[22:30:13] *** Dorfo1 has quit IRC[22:30:13] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ: http://www.sunshack.org/data/sh/2.1.2/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Devices/System_Board/SYSBD_SunFireV2x0_CPU.html[22:30:26] <Ayatolla> that page say's J5 is for something else[22:30:29] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[22:30:50] *** alexus has quit IRC[22:30:56] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: but JP12 looks good ;)[22:33:33] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ cross your fingers, i'm about to try it with jp12 on[22:34:17] <CosmicDJ> Ayatolla: well if smth breaks, you still have that other v240 :p[22:34:29] *** pgr has quit IRC[22:34:54] <Ayatolla> CosmicDJ hehe jepp.. intressted?[22:34:57] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[22:35:04] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[22:35:19] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[22:35:54] <Ayatolla> damit[22:36:01] <Ayatolla> jp12 = no good[22:36:18] <trichobezoar> try upgrading the firmware[22:36:38] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: how? he can't even boot[22:37:13] <trichobezoar> Is your key switch in the Secure position?[22:37:21] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[22:37:35] <Ayatolla> trichobezoar have tried all the positions of the key[22:37:40] *** ken1 is now known as kenH_[22:37:47] <Ayatolla> are in diagnostics now[22:37:54] <trichobezoar> Well it should be in Normal, according to some sun docs[22:38:16] <Ayatolla> the manual says that the nvram is writeable on normal and diagnos.[22:38:49] <Ayatolla> but i can switch it back to normal[22:39:10] *** Dorfo has joined #opensolaris[22:42:56] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[22:43:01] <Dorfo> i cant install packages for < 109... is this correct?[22:43:11] <Dorfo> cuz i cant install gcc package at all[22:43:16] <trichobezoar> you can create an image...[22:43:38] <Dorfo> how i do that?[22:44:01] <Dorfo> pkg image-create?[22:44:08] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[22:44:31] <trichobezoar> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/ggdcd.html[22:44:39] <trichobezoar> Hmm that format seems to have changed since the last time I looked at it[22:44:45] <Dorfo> thx[22:44:50] <Dorfo> i will check it[22:45:10] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[22:45:12] *** Vonor is now known as Vonoff[22:46:33] <trichobezoar> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/[22:46:39] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[22:47:06] * trichobezoar shrugs. I dont know the answer[22:47:43] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[22:47:50] <Dorfo> if i mess the things up i will install the stable version[22:47:51] <Dorfo> :][22:49:29] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:49:30] *** jkup has joined #opensolaris[22:50:02] *** Dorfo has quit IRC[22:51:06] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[22:51:57] *** jfisc has quit IRC[22:52:28] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[22:52:29] *** estibi has quit IRC[22:52:50] *** sarkoman has joined #opensolaris[22:53:04] <sarkoman> hello all[22:57:10] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[22:57:46] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[22:58:55] <CIA-33> Wyllys Ingersoll <Wyllys.Ingersoll at Sun dot COM>: 6820986 integration of 6771289 (PSARC 2008/725 TPM Support) breaks the nightly kernel lint[22:58:57] *** TT has joined #opensolaris[22:59:01] *** TT has left #opensolaris[23:01:10] *** DesiJat has quit IRC[23:01:51] *** DesiJat has joined #opensolaris[23:02:04] *** ej|sleeping has quit IRC[23:02:15] *** desai has quit IRC[23:04:35] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:04:35] *** kenH_ has quit IRC[23:05:26] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[23:06:11] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[23:06:16] *** revlo has joined #opensolaris[23:06:54] <piwi> are there any changes in xntp from 101b to 109? mine seems broken.[23:08:08] <comay> piwi, there was some regressions introduced in build 106 or so that are fixed in 110[23:08:16] <comay> we should be pushing build 110 hopefully today[23:08:22] <piwi> great[23:09:05] <piwi> good to know, so i'll wait with the setup of my new x2200 :)[23:10:48] *** bigjohnto has quit IRC[23:13:19] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[23:15:14] *** Ayatolla is now known as Ayatolla|zZzz[23:15:36] *** luc^ has quit IRC[23:18:24] <magnon> my ELOM is *down*[23:18:27] <magnon> gaah[23:18:48] <magnon> piwi: get something that can use ilom, for your own good :)[23:20:10] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[23:20:25] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[23:20:37] <piwi> :) had my first experience today[23:20:47] <piwi> remote mount didn't work[23:21:00] <magnon> piwi: that's just the beginning of it.[23:21:09] <piwi> the java app core dumps[23:21:18] <piwi> what will follow?[23:21:35] <magnon> piwi: well, the elom on the box I'm working on is currently dead[23:21:45] <magnon> it was dead for a couple of days, and came back up, now it's dead again[23:22:31] <magnon> since the server isn't upping ssh, I have a huge problem.[23:22:42] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[23:22:49] <piwi> indeed[23:23:17] *** pgr has quit IRC[23:24:31] <piwi> my system is behind the next door, so far not a problem if the elom fails. but i would like to see it running. now i'm waiting for an answer from support[23:24:53] *** dfg_ has joined #opensolaris[23:26:33] <magnon> my system is across town :/[23:29:09] *** dfg has quit IRC[23:29:57] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[23:32:36] <oenone_> my ralink wifi card doesn't seem to be recognized.. do i have to do some magic to configure it?[23:35:57] *** revlo_ has joined #opensolaris[23:36:46] *** GNUix has quit IRC[23:36:57] *** dfg_ has quit IRC[23:38:34] <glock> does anyone remember what package ld comes in?[23:38:55] <flyingparchment> SUNWtoo[23:39:01] <trichobezoar> basename link usr/ccs/bin/amd64/ld pkg:/SUNWtoo at 0 dot 5.11-0.109[23:39:11] <glock> thanks[23:40:02] <glock> should /usr/ccs/bin/sparcv9 be in my path then?[23:40:17] <oenone_> RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g[23:40:28] <oenone_> ifconfig -a doesn't list the wireless interface[23:40:42] <trichobezoar> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 28 19:13 /usr/ccs/bin/ld -> ../../bin/ld[23:41:37] <glock> yeah, mine's definitely not a symlink[23:41:52] <oenone_> modinfo shows ral module is loaded..[23:42:16] <oenone_> "devfsadm -i ral" tells me driver failed to attach[23:43:48] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[23:43:48] <CosmicDJ> glock: no, man isaexec[23:43:54] <glock> thanks CosmicDJ[23:46:16] <flyingparchment> i wonder why a 64-bit ld is needed[23:46:39] <piwi> oenone_: have you checked the list of supported cards? http://ralink.rapla.net/[23:47:27] *** mroconnor_ has joined #opensolaris[23:48:45] *** gremp has left #opensolaris[23:49:21] <pjfloyd> a 64bit ld for binaries over 2G :-)[23:49:31] <flyingparchment> something wrong with largefile(5)?[23:50:47] <pjfloyd> yes, in particular for an app like ld[23:51:35] <pjfloyd> afaik a 32bit larefile app can't cleanly link with libelf[23:53:00] *** revlo has quit IRC[23:54:28] <oenone_> piwi: i do think it is in the list[23:54:55] <trichobezoar> my ld is 32bit[23:55:42] <oenone_> piwi: yeah, it is.. msi mp54g4[23:55:47] <flyingparchment> trichobezoar: /usr/ccs/bin/amd64/ld[23:55:53] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: file /usr/ccs/bin/amd64/ld should be there, right?[23:56:06] <trichobezoar> ah yes...[23:56:18] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: man isaexec, too :)[23:56:37] <piwi> oenone_: so ral is the correct driver[23:57:33] <piwi> have you checked the new version 0.2? comes with build 105[23:57:50] <glock> neat, I got everything working[23:57:54] <glock> thanks for the help guys[23:58:12] <pjfloyd> flyingparchment: in fact, take a look at the top of /usr/include/libelf.h to see why 32bit ld isn't built with largefile[23:58:14] <oenone_> piwi: i'm using b109[23:58:29] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[23:58:37] <piwi> better read yourself: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ral/[23:58:45] * oenone_ tries different wifi card[23:58:51] <piwi> maybe i understood it wrong[23:59:21] <trichobezoar> then why is size 64bit[23:59:56] <CosmicDJ> please rephrase question