March 25, 2009 
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March 25, 2009 [00:00:49] *** dduvall has quit IRC[00:01:34] <piwi> alanc: just in time :)[00:01:55] <tomww> perfect.[00:02:52] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[00:05:44] *** ejray__ has quit IRC[00:09:33] * ikarius sighs[00:09:39] *** ricardo-jrg has quit IRC[00:10:07] <ikarius> what's the current method for telling SXCE kernel it's to configure network via DHCP when booting from pxegrub?[00:10:14] <ikarius> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/SOLINSTALLNET/gazva.html[00:11:07] <tomww> loading kernel/modules/ramdisk is all done by the pxegrub with it's own dhcp logic.[00:11:08] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC[00:11:17] <ikarius> the wiki indicates you pass a "dhcp" option to the kernel before the -B parameter... I do that, and the kernel informs me that "dhcp" option is unused, and does not figure out how to initialize my network interface[00:11:38] <ikarius> tomww: this is for configuring the network interface so it can source the installer.[00:11:43] <tomww> one the ramdisk is opeb, kernel + modules loaded then some install server framework configures the network running with the kernel[00:11:45] <ikarius> I get the kernel and miniroot just fine[00:12:05] <tomww> you really want the JET framework for installing :-)[00:12:20] <ikarius> tomww: I do not have a solaris install server[00:12:22] <tomww> is is template based and does on a solaris installserver everything for you[00:12:37] *** fftb__ has quit IRC[00:12:58] <ikarius> tomww: I install various flavours of linux and windows from an existing linux install server[00:13:10] <tomww> then you are not completely out of luck, but you have a hard way to go. might be easier to sert up a small virtual solaris instalnce and use the ready build frameworks on solaris as install server[00:13:24] <tomww> *set up[00:13:32] <ikarius> as DHCP only supports one PXE server, it would be a pain to reconfigure my network to have a different subnet JUST for solaris installs[00:13:43] <coollinux> hi how can i make sure that i have the correct fonts loaded for iso8859-5 for displaying russian language[00:13:53] <ikarius> tomww: I'm close... I just need the right config parameters for the solaris kernel[00:14:03] <ikarius> ... as I pointed out, the documentation is out of date.[00:14:13] <tomww> JET may use existing dhcp servers for configuration (ssh as transport to configure them)[00:14:33] <ikarius> you can only have one PXE server per subnet[00:14:44] <tomww> no.[00:15:13] *** lzawk has joined #opensolaris[00:15:14] <tomww> if you don't habe IP pool with SHCP then you can have lots of servers. baed on the specific MAC address only the rght DHCP server answers.[00:15:27] <ikarius> well, unless I care to mask the dhcp answers based on MAC address[00:15:47] <ikarius> but that would be even more pain in the arse than adding a new separate subnet[00:16:17] <ikarius> is there no updated documentation of the parameters?[00:16:29] *** luc^ has quit IRC[00:16:33] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[00:19:05] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[00:23:32] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[00:24:33] *** lzk has quit IRC[00:24:47] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:25:53] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[00:27:17] *** mstc has quit IRC[00:30:18] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[00:33:51] *** teknomega has joined #opensolaris[00:34:52] *** russd has quit IRC[00:35:03] <nachox> alanc, do you know if intel's i915 will implement the support necessary for fast reboot?[00:35:42] <alanc> nachox: I don't know[00:35:47] *** alfism has quit IRC[00:36:38] <alanc> nachox: looks like there's an open bug for it: 6756116 i915 has no quiesce()[00:37:26] *** coollinux has quit IRC[00:37:32] <alanc> oops, it was missing the keyword, so it wouldn't show up if you searched for keyword 'fastreboot'[00:38:04] *** teknoprep has quit IRC[00:38:07] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[00:38:27] <alanc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/search.do?keyword=fastreboot&process=1[00:38:27] *** mega has quit IRC[00:41:27] * bubbva is away: drs appt[00:41:50] *** teknomega has quit IRC[00:42:05] *** teknomega has joined #opensolaris[00:42:51] *** teknomega is now known as teknopre[00:42:52] *** ggeecko has quit IRC[00:42:54] *** teknopre is now known as teknoprep[00:45:18] <ikarius> ok, I think I see the issue[00:45:39] <trichobezoar> Is the rain gone?[00:46:43] *** asarch has quit IRC[00:49:58] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[00:52:55] <ikarius> sigh, still no love.[00:53:35] <ikarius> once again- anyone know where I can find up-to-date docs for SXCE kernel boot parameters- to be used in a manually configured grub menu.lst file?[00:54:06] <ikarius> ... documentation I have found is out of date- "dhcp" parameter documented gives error "dhcp" parameter ignored.[00:54:15] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[00:54:26] <scoffin> probably don't exist[00:55:27] *** zen_balrog has quit IRC[00:55:54] <codestr0m> ikarius: doesn't exist afaik[00:56:02] *** esok has quit IRC[00:56:12] *** revlo has quit IRC[00:56:36] <ikarius> this is getting to piss me off. in my admittedly short span of experience with opensolaris/solaris express, I keep running into stuff where the previously documented things are being replaced by bits which claim to "just do the right thing", and when they dont "just do the right thing", the documentation for the underlying bits does not exist.[00:57:15] <scoffin> thats called "beta software" :-)[00:58:17] <ikarius> ok, so if the documentation doesn't exist, any pointers on where I should look next to figure out what the parameters can be?[00:58:28] <scoffin> kernel source code, probably[00:58:43] <CIA-33> Anup Pemmaiah <Napanda.Pemmaiah at Sun dot COM>: 6818672 NOTICE: cpu_acpi: _PSS package not found.[00:58:55] <e^ipi> what on earth are you trying to do, anyways?[00:58:55] <ikarius> the basic problem is that when SXCE B110 boots, the installer fails to configure my network cards, so network install sources are not reachable[00:59:15] <e^ipi> probably not a supported NIC[00:59:22] <ikarius> it's an IGB nic[00:59:30] <e^ipi> igb ?[00:59:30] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[00:59:44] <ikarius> and if I just install off DVD, once the system is booted, it promptly brings up the NIC without any complaint[00:59:47] <ikarius> intel gigabit.[00:59:52] <ikarius> IGB is the driver[00:59:53] <e^ipi> e1000g then[00:59:56] <ikarius> yes[01:00:07] *** javatexan has quit IRC[01:00:17] <e^ipi> sounds like a bug... you should file it[01:00:25] <communicator> so guys, think we will have any IBMW packages in the future?[01:00:26] <ikarius> I'm assuming that the SXCE installer is trying to do something other than DHCP[01:00:44] <e^ipi> communicator: since the stock ticker symbol for IBM is not IBMW, no.[01:00:55] <communicator> :)[01:01:11] <e^ipi> ikarius: don't assume that what you do not know[01:01:16] <e^ipi> the DVD should prompt you about it[01:01:20] <e^ipi> at least the text installer does[01:01:32] <e^ipi> ( boot - text )[01:01:37] <e^ipi> or pick option 6[01:01:44] <brett_> ikarius: network boot, or dvd boot?[01:02:15] <ikarius> brett_: both cases[01:02:36] <brett_> with the dvd install, it shouldn't care about your nic at all ;)[01:03:08] <e^ipi> there are several scenarios here... network boot is a problem with your card and motherboard[01:03:19] <e^ipi> network install, cd boot should prompt you[01:03:24] <e^ipi> and dvd install... who gives a damn[01:03:32] <oninoshiko> brett_: sure it does. you sill might want network once installed... the network is the computer (didn't you get the memo?)[01:03:34] *** teknoprep has quit IRC[01:03:56] *** teknoprep has joined #opensolaris[01:03:57] <ikarius> brett_: yeah, I know that, but I'm trying to get network install to work. I installed via dvd and that worked, but it did fail to initialize the NICs during the install startup. network install boots, loads the miniroot, then fails to initialize the NICs and bombs out saying it cant get to the install source[01:04:11] <brett_> oninoshiko: google got the memo[01:04:22] <ikarius> but I do see messages in both cases where it's attempting to initialize the NICs and it times out.[01:04:28] <brett_> hmm[01:04:28] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[01:04:40] <brett_> what driver is it trying to use? e1000g?[01:04:57] *** tek-ops_ has joined #opensolaris[01:05:55] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[01:05:55] <ikarius> correct[01:06:02] <oninoshiko> do you have the PCI ID for your NIC? (i have a large number of e1000g NICs in production, so we can see if you have the same type[01:06:13] <tek-ops_> hey, i'm having some unusual service interruptions with 2008.11 as an iSCSI initiator[01:06:25] <ikarius> oninoshiko I'll have to boot and pull the id... give me a while[01:06:44] <tek-ops_> then targets are all centos 5.2 + IETD[01:07:28] <tek-ops_> has anyone heard about known conflicts? I don't see anything in particular from googling[01:08:47] *** yarihm has quit IRC[01:09:18] <tek-ops_> is there an "open storage" channel?[01:09:46] <oninoshiko> tek-ops: I have noticed some.... slowness with iscsitgtd[01:10:21] <tek-ops_> yea, i'm actually not going with iscsitgtd[01:10:30] <oninoshiko> comstar?[01:10:36] <tek-ops_> were you able to figure out a way to just export raw devices?[01:10:47] <tek-ops_> no, I'm using linux for the iscsi targets[01:11:06] <tek-ops_> the lETD is pretty UNH compliant[01:11:10] <oninoshiko> ok, I had things backword[01:11:40] <oninoshiko> I dont know the initiator that well[01:12:01] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[01:12:07] <tek-ops_> ah, that's the part that solaris has pretty well developed[01:12:22] <tek-ops_> anyways[01:12:55] <tek-ops_> i'm "mounting" iSCSI exports (targets) onto an opensolaris initiator[01:13:14] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:13:15] <tek-ops_> so it can use the "targets" as local block devices for ZFS[01:13:33] <tek-ops_> think initiator = NAS heads[01:13:41] <tek-ops_> targets = FC shelves[01:14:21] <tek-ops_> that's the easiest way to remember[01:14:44] <oninoshiko> i know, I just wasn't paying attention close enough[01:15:09] <tek-ops_> either way, i'm just trying to test the iscsi connection be using newfs on one of the iscsi targets[01:15:21] *** dunc has quit IRC[01:15:41] <tek-ops_> and it's giving me "SCSI transport failed" timeouts[01:15:45] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[01:15:45] <tek-ops_> halfway through[01:15:59] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[01:16:33] <tek-ops_> i should point out that I'm just testing configurations with virtual machines, so it may be the virtual network[01:17:02] <tek-ops_> basically, I got stuck while putting together a proof of concept quickly overnight[01:19:11] *** scoffin has quit IRC[01:21:06] <oninoshiko> tek-ops: a packet-sniffer might be in order...[01:21:11] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[01:21:14] *** calumb has left #opensolaris[01:21:16] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:21:20] <tek-ops_> good call[01:24:49] *** crink has joined #opensolaris[01:25:40] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[01:25:55] *** ranksj has joined #opensolaris[01:26:19] *** teknomega has joined #opensolaris[01:29:57] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[01:30:12] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[01:30:25] <tek-ops_> i had spanning tree on[01:30:44] <tek-ops_> i disabled it only because it didn't need to be on, but that shouldn't have cause any issues[01:31:28] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[01:34:39] *** cwebber has quit IRC[01:36:13] *** communicator has quit IRC[01:37:43] <ikarius> ouch[01:38:29] <ikarius> mounting a SXCE miniroot on opensolaris b98 via lofiadm, attempt to do an ls in /etc/default results in opensolaris reboot.[01:38:35] <ikarius> that's fun[01:39:06] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[01:39:23] <ikarius> let's see if SXCE can do it without dying[01:42:46] *** suha has joined #opensolaris[01:43:10] *** thebentzone has quit IRC[01:43:56] <tek-ops_> hmmm, I'm thinking more and more that it's the virtual bridge[01:44:05] <tek-ops_> it happens in bursts[01:44:16] *** Disreali has quit IRC[01:44:21] *** authentic has quit IRC[01:44:24] <tek-ops_> and the only system on load is the physical box the virtuals are running on[01:44:29] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[01:44:36] *** teknomega has quit IRC[01:45:07] *** stevel has quit IRC[01:45:34] *** jodabe has joined #opensolaris[01:45:45] <tek-ops_> alright, thanks a lot oninoshiko[01:45:56] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[01:46:01] <oninoshiko> wish i could have helped more[01:46:43] *** eviljames has quit IRC[01:46:54] *** rv- has quit IRC[01:47:36] *** thebentzone has joined #opensolaris[01:47:44] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[01:47:59] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[01:48:37] *** jodabe has quit IRC[01:50:10] *** Gil has joined #opensolaris[01:51:49] <Gil> Hi all - I have some Linux experience, but I'm fairly new to Solaris. I'm looking at playing with a build to experiment with zfs. I've seen conflicting reports about whether the zfs gui is or is not included with the opensolaris builds. Can anyone suggest the best build to play with, that will have zfs gui included?[01:52:03] <e^ipi> why do you need a gui?[01:52:08] <e^ipi> the CLI is quite robust and simple[01:52:28] *** teknoprep has quit IRC[01:52:29] <e^ipi> create a pool? zpool create <witty name> < devices >[01:52:38] <Gil> it is, but I will not be the only person playing with the box[01:52:38] <e^ipi> don't use tank...[01:52:38] <jamesd_> Gil: forget the gui.. there are only 3 commands and the 3rd isn't even used much if at all[01:52:45] <tek-ops_> I'll know more when I recreate this on physical hardware[01:53:47] <Gil> e^ipi / jamesd_ thanks - am I being particularly stupid, or is parted missing from opensolaris?[01:54:18] *** wbkang2 has joined #opensolaris[01:54:18] <e^ipi> with zfs, you don't use it[01:54:25] <e^ipi> you give zfs the disk, and forget about it[01:54:44] <darth4> is Memcached reccomended to use with zfs?[01:54:46] <Gil> e^ipi even if it has previous partitions on it that I'd like overwritten?[01:54:54] <e^ipi> yeah[01:55:03] <Gil> okay, thanks[01:55:08] <e^ipi> you toss the whole disk in zfs's pool ( zpool ) and use that to manage everything[01:55:50] <e^ipi> darth4: you'd have to benchmark out your workload... you may or may not see improvements, but disk is cached pretty agressively already[01:56:15] <ikarius> yep, SXCE mounts and accesses the miniroot file just fine[01:56:20] <tek-ops_> is anyone using opensolaris iscsi initiator for anything production?[01:56:21] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[01:56:26] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[01:56:38] <e^ipi> Gil: zfs isn't really a filesystem that you put down on a disk, it's a disk management system that you store files on[01:56:45] <ikarius> I wonder if UFS format got updated between b98 and b110[01:57:08] <darth4> how about APC which is another caching device? same scenario? zfs should do it all eh[01:57:09] <Gil> yeah, I'm hoping that playing with it a bit will help me understand the paradigm shift[01:57:22] <jamesd_> ikarius: not that i remember...[01:57:30] <e^ipi> darth4: pretty much the same, but again... your mileage may vary[01:57:40] <e^ipi> depending on the workload you very well might see improvement over zfs[01:57:57] <ikarius> then probably a bug in b98 that got fixed[01:58:05] <oninoshiko> darth4: e^ipi is correct. the disk subsystem caches vary aggressivly already. if your finding it's not enough to suit your needs, you might look into L2ARC as well.[01:58:15] <darth4> so there shouldn't be any conflicts with zfs if i install memcached on top of it[01:58:28] <e^ipi> no[01:58:42] <e^ipi> but try just zfs first[01:58:54] <ikarius> memcached on top of zfs?[01:58:55] <darth4> alright cool[01:59:05] <ikarius> I thought memcached was a memory-based object cache[01:59:05] <CIA-33> Peter Dunlap <Peter.Dunlap at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/395 iSER: iSCSI Extensions for RDMA, 6702590 iSCSI initiator needs to support iSER transport, 6702591 COMSTAR iSCSI port provider needs to support iSER transport, 6797024 COMSTAR iscsit asserted at iscsit_login.c line: 679, 6776635 panic[cpu0]/thread=ffffff000f874c60,assertion failed: 0, file: ../../common/io/idm/idm.c, line: 1465, 6802232 Bad kernel fault at addr=0x0 from idm_crc32c call[01:59:09] <darth4> yea i already have set zfs:zfs_arc_max = set already in /etc/system[02:00:00] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris[02:00:03] <e^ipi> darth4: that's not what he meant[02:00:04] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[02:00:19] <jamesd_> darth4: if you haven't tested zfs first without tuning.. i wouldn't go about fixing things that might not be broken you could be hurting your performance by guessing wrong[02:00:21] <e^ipi> he didn't mean limit the amount of caching zfs can do, he meant give zfs a second layer of cache ( eg, an SSD )[02:00:41] <oninoshiko> it is as e^ipi says[02:00:44] <darth4> cool, yeah i haven't messed with anything else yet, was just wondering if there were any performance consequences before doing so[02:00:51] <e^ipi> darth4: there are[02:00:59] <darth4> ahh okay e^ipi, that sounds interesting[02:01:04] <e^ipi> setting zfs_arc_max limits the amount of cache you can use[02:01:11] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[02:01:14] <e^ipi> i'd rather unset that and forget about memcached[02:01:31] <darth4> take off set zfs:zfs_arc_max ?[02:01:35] <e^ipi> correct[02:01:47] <e^ipi> arc = cache[02:01:54] <e^ipi> ( adaptive replacement cache )[02:02:16] <darth4> ahh ok so that will just limit it[02:02:26] <e^ipi> right[02:02:53] <ikarius> hallelujah, it works![02:04:32] <ikarius> I got SXCE to network-install off a linux PXE/tftp/NFS server... the last step of magic I used involved editing /etc/default/nfs to revise the client max version in the miniroot[02:05:15] <ikarius> there might be a better way, but I didnt find a way to specify nfs client version on the kernel command-line.[02:06:14] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[02:07:32] *** ranksj has quit IRC[02:07:40] *** wbkang1 has quit 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page if tcsh has a global config file[02:58:34] <CIA-33> Yu Renia Miao <Renia.Miao at Sun dot COM>: 6809607 fp has no quiesce()[02:58:36] <CIA-33> bo zhou - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Bo.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6813978 scsi driver in test unit ready loop (maybe requested from ST?)[02:59:10] <oninoshiko> try /etc/csh.login[02:59:19] <oninoshiko> so sayith google[02:59:36] <g4lt-lappy> well login or cshrc, yeah[02:59:49] <g4lt-lappy> depending on login vs nonlogin shell[03:00:24] *** nprice is now known as nprice|away[03:00:33] <oninoshiko> sounds like g4lt-lappy might even know what he's talking about (i dont, i just know how to use google)[03:00:48] <g4lt-lappy> ther's no shared shell config for both bourne/korn variants and csh variahnts[03:00:54] <qiyong> how do i display a png file from solaris?[03:01:03] <qiyong> linux has display[03:01:13] <g4lt-lappy> qiyong, try EOG, in JDS[03:01:27] <qiyong> what else? g4lt-lappy[03:01:48] <g4lt-lappy> lots of stuff, most of it in JDS[03:01:48] <jamesd_> xv, gimp, kview, i'm sure someone will port display to solaris if they haven't allready.. usually you can just click on it from nautilus[03:02:13] <qiyong> jamesd_: xv is from xorg?[03:02:31] <jamesd_> nope.. but its been ported, i have used it in the past[03:02:47] *** nprice|away is now known as nprice[03:02:57] <qiyong> what desktop should I install?[03:02:59] <jamesd_> firefox/mozilla seems like the most likely canidates.[03:03:15] <jamesd_> jds/gnome comes with opensolaris[03:03:44] <qiyong> so opensolaris has two options?[03:03:53] <g4lt-lappy> do you really have a choice now that they nuked CDE officially?[03:04:14] <jamesd_> opensolaris has many options just have to get them from non official places[03:04:19] <throatwarbler> OpenSolaris has the GNOME desktop. There is a project that is producing a KDE alternative.[03:04:22] <qiyong> how do I install X ?[03:04:31] <oninoshiko> http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=window+manager+opensolaris[03:04:43] <jamesd_> opensolaris comes with X out of the box..[03:04:46] <g4lt-lappy> you install solaris, is already part of it[03:04:53] <alanc> qiyong: it's very very hard to not install X[03:05:03] <qiyong> i did a minial install[03:05:08] <qiyong> so i don't have gui now[03:05:11] <oninoshiko> alanc: its not THAT hard, I do it all the time[03:05:26] <g4lt-lappy> you did a minimal install? you're SOL now[03:05:38] <oninoshiko> why did you do a minimial install?[03:05:47] <jamesd_> qiyong: then start over...[03:05:47] <alanc> with OpenSolaris, it's downright impossible to not install it - with SXCE you have to pick "I really want nothing" from the install options, and mean it[03:05:52] * g4lt-lappy ain't helping anymore, not until you've done full+OEM[03:06:02] <nachox> g4lt-lappy, :)[03:06:09] <nachox> i love beadm[03:06:16] <throatwarbler> beadm is great.[03:06:24] <throatwarbler> Prevent's those Mr. Magoo moments :-)([03:06:38] <throatwarbler> Or should that be 8^)[03:06:58] <alanc> with SXCE once you've started with minimal, building back up is a lot of work - if you want a full desktop, don't do minimal[03:07:08] <qiyong> how do i install X in SXCE?[03:07:27] <jamesd_> qiyong: start over and do a full install. it will save you time and your sanity[03:07:30] <alanc> choose "End User" or "Full Install" when you are doing the install[03:07:31] <g4lt-lappy> qiyong, you start off with full+oem[03:07:38] <throatwarbler> I'm with Alan here. Just do a full install (which should be the default on the old style installer).[03:07:39] <qiyong> full install hangs[03:07:48] <alanc> or find the full list of all 52 X packages and add them one at a time[03:07:58] <alanc> or are we up to 57 now? I forget[03:08:06] <oninoshiko> no, no: he asked a question, let's answer it: get a list of the relevent packages and pkgadd them[03:08:17] <g4lt-lappy> alanc, would know how many there are, he's updated most of 'em ;P[03:08:43] <jamesd_> oninoshiko: he won't even know how to pkgadd them without a manpage that he didn't install ;-)[03:08:47] <throatwarbler> where ? are you installing from media ? Are you sure the media is good (did you checksum it against the source) ?[03:08:50] <qiyong> isn't there a meta pkg which installs them all?[03:08:57] <throatwarbler> SUNWcxall[03:09:04] <g4lt-lappy> taht's FUNNY[03:09:05] <alanc> the old Solaris package manager doesn't have metapackages[03:09:17] <alanc> if you want metapackages, use OpenSolaris & the new IPS package manager[03:09:29] <jamesd_> qiyong: nope, not the way you want to have it.. you aren't in linux anymore[03:09:31] <throatwarbler> Are we talking about OpenSolaris or Nevada ?[03:09:31] <qiyong> what SXCE uses?[03:09:38] <alanc> SVR4 packages[03:09:44] <throatwarbler> The SUNWCXall metacluster is what you want.[03:10:03] <jamesd_> throatwarbler: you are only confusing the poor linux refugee[03:10:04] <throatwarbler> or is it lower case cx..... I forget. I lu from s10.[03:10:14] <g4lt-lappy> throatwarbler, which will righteously fail, since pkgadd doesnt grab dependencies[03:10:47] <oninoshiko> of course, the old solaris package manager expects people to not do silly things like a minimal install then add X on later (why would you do that?)[03:10:58] <g4lt-lappy> but it WILL tell him the packages he needs to laboriously install[03:11:06] <qiyong> throatwarbler: SUNWCXall from SXCE?[03:11:28] <g4lt-lappy> no, SUNWCXall from MacOSX[03:11:48] <g4lt-lappy> where else?[03:12:15] <oninoshiko> g4lt-lappy: im glad im not the only one -_-[03:12:19] <jamesd_> qiyong: you have just made your first sxce mistake, cut your losses do a full install, if you use SXCE in an enterprise setting you will one day understand the SUNWCXall reference untill then don't bother.[03:13:01] <throatwarbler> I'm with James on this point. If you don't have much invested, start the install again and do a full install. It will make things so much easier.[03:13:01] *** g4lt-lappy is now known as g4lt-mordant[03:13:06] <qiyong> jamesd_ full install hangs and breaks !!![03:13:17] <throatwarbler> Now - you said the full install hangs. Where ?[03:13:33] <qiyong> always fails[03:13:52] <jamesd_> guesses a non supported video card, or a bad dvd download[03:14:15] <throatwarbler> The bad ISO is where I was heading with my earlier questions. Happens a lit.[03:14:17] <throatwarbler> lot.[03:14:30] <oninoshiko> qiyong: you said it fails. he wants to know WHERE it fails so we can go and look and see if there is a bug we need to fix[03:14:52] <oninoshiko> if there is a bug, we need to know where to start look at.[03:14:53] <qiyong> oninoshiko: are you a commiter?[03:14:59] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[03:15:36] <oninoshiko> qiyong: no special status is required to submit a patch[03:16:02] <alanc> non-supported video card should break minimal install as well as full install[03:16:04] <throatwarbler> In my experience, the most common problem is bad media, either from the download or from the burn. Make sure that you compare checksums after download and after the burn.[03:17:24] <g4lt-mordant> alanc, in fact, I can't eature anything breaking on a full install and failing to break a minimal[03:18:01] <throatwarbler> Problem with the media could do it.[03:18:19] <alanc> something in a script in one of the packages that's part of full but not minimal could do it too[03:18:23] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[03:18:52] <throatwarbler> sure - and that's why it would be really helpful to know where and how it is breaking.[03:19:09] <oninoshiko> qiyong: additionally this channel has 340 people in it right now. a number of whom are presently or formerly sun employees. The majority of the rest have a vested intrested in the solaris (and derrived) operating systems[03:19:31] <alanc> but say, the "X gets to grey screen and stops" bug in 107 and later breaks all install types if you use GUI installer, and they all work fine with text installer[03:22:25] *** Gekz_ has quit IRC[03:22:50] <jamesd_> of course its easy to see how that bug got missed, since most people doing SXCE want zfs root/boot and need the txt installer anyway[03:25:03] <oninoshiko> I think I've used the GUI installer 1 time.[03:25:25] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC[03:25:53] <oninoshiko> i really dont see why it is the default[03:26:27] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[03:27:10] <jamesd_> the gui installer is useful for brining up an extra term and running iostat -xz 2 or prstat or perhaps mpstat to see lots of numbers passby when you are bored with a slow dvd install[03:28:47] <oninoshiko> jamesd_: or you could go get a tasty beverage, like everyone else... maybe do this: http://www.xkcd.com/303/[03:29:30] <jamesd_> oninoshiko: i would be passed drunk long before some of my slower boxes managed to do a full install...[03:29:59] <oninoshiko> or leave it overnight?[03:30:08] <jamesd_> in some cases, i would wake up.. and still not be done.[03:31:39] <oninoshiko> so you would watch the number go by that long?[03:31:41] *** nachox has quit IRC[03:32:23] <jamesd_> oninoshiko: no, but its nice to know the install process hasn't hung and doing something useful[03:35:12] <qiyong> ld: fatal: file crt1.o: open failed: No such file or directory[03:35:12] <qiyong> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status[03:35:19] <qiyong> what pkg i lacks?[03:37:42] <qiyong> what pkg provides /usr/lib/crt1.o?[03:37:52] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[03:38:09] <DesiJat> can i hotswap SAS disks on a x4100?[03:38:49] <e^ipi> qiyong: search for it.[03:38:57] <e^ipi> pkg.opensolaris.org has a search function[03:38:58] <DesiJat> <-- searched for his question[03:39:14] <e^ipi> DesiJat: you should be able to[03:39:32] <DesiJat> e^: any commands i need to run, or just zfs export and pop it out?[03:39:56] <e^ipi> the second one[03:40:14] <DesiJat> really..wow..[03:41:20] <qiyong> why SXCE doesn't use IPS?[03:41:27] <jamesd_> DesiJat: if you have it raidz or mirrored.. you may not even need to export the pool... but its safer to remove the disk from the pool or attach it seperately should slots ve availible[03:41:48] <e^ipi> qiyong: because IPS hasn't passed architectural review yet[03:41:49] <oninoshiko> qiyong: why doesn't redhat use apt-get?[03:42:10] <jamesd_> because SXCE predates IPS by several decades.. and some SXCE users don't want it.. they like controlling it all.[03:42:12] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[03:42:18] <qiyong> e^ipi: so IPS probably is the future?[03:42:44] <e^ipi> yes[03:42:54] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[03:43:23] <qiyong> what it called in SXCE? the pkg e^ipi jamesd_[03:43:28] <oninoshiko> IPS has some features it lacks, (yes i know, they are comming)[03:44:19] <e^ipi> pkgadd(1M) and related[03:44:37] <brett_> qiyong: did anyone answer your question?[03:44:45] <jamesd_> pkgadd is what solaris and sxce uses, its not pretty, and is a major pain you should try and solve your problem with the full install process it will probably be quicker than using pkgadd manually.[03:44:47] <nachox> oninoshiko, like installing from something other than the network? :)[03:44:52] <brett_> or just banter about semi-related stuff ;)[03:45:30] <e^ipi> brett_: i answered it by pointing him somewhere where he can find the answer[03:45:35] <DesiJat> i have a bunch of disks i'm trying to make sure have no data on them[03:45:44] <e^ipi> the whole "teach a man to fish" thing[03:45:45] <DesiJat> when i slap them into the machine, and run format/fdisk[03:45:59] <oninoshiko> nachox: i think i've made that complaint on more then one occasion.[03:46:00] <e^ipi> DesiJat: why? just give them to zfs[03:46:00] <DesiJat> they only show 1 parition, type Diagnostic, start 0, end 0[03:46:13] <DesiJat> these are drives i'm shipping to a customer[03:46:16] <jamesd_> DesiJat: with zfs you don't need fdisk or format 99% of the time.[03:46:23] <DesiJat> i want to make sure there is no sensitive data on em[03:46:25] <e^ipi> so dd(1) garbage over them[03:46:30] <DesiJat> looks like someone has already done that?[03:46:39] <DesiJat> which is why i'm seeing only 1 diagnostic partition?[03:46:41] <nachox> oninoshiko, my real issue is that while installing packages is easy, uninstalling them is not, i was never unable to uninstall xvm packages for example[03:46:42] <DesiJat> nothing else[03:46:47] <qiyong> jamesd_: pkgadd predates by several decades? what's its origin?[03:46:56] <e^ipi> qiyong: system V UNIX[03:47:06] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[03:47:07] <brett_> e^ipi: teach a man to fish?[03:47:17] <oninoshiko> nachox: my issue is that I dont trust repos.[03:47:19] <e^ipi> brett_: yes[03:47:36] <e^ipi> as opposed to giving him a fish[03:47:37] <jamesd_> brett_: give a man a fish, he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime[03:47:58] <nachox> oninoshiko, how come? you know the ips packages are just sysv packages converted to the new format, right?[03:48:09] <e^ipi> nachox: not exactly[03:48:21] <nachox> well, it's an oversimplification :)[03:48:33] <oninoshiko> nachox: but from install to install the versions will be differnt. so the enviroment is not reproducable[03:48:45] <e^ipi> only in the same sense that .deb packages are sysv packages converted in to a different format ( id est, they all carry a file payload )[03:48:57] <nachox> jamesd, unless he is already nearly starved, he wont be able to hold the rod still enough then :P[03:49:14] <e^ipi> oninoshiko: once local filesystem mirroring is possible that won't technically be the case any more;[03:49:28] <oninoshiko> s/will be/can be/[03:49:38] <e^ipi> since keeping a local mirror of everything that you need and never changing it is equivalent[03:49:55] <e^ipi> in some senses a DVD full of packages is a "repo" that just never gets updated[03:50:00] <jamesd_> nachox: a good teacher will assist the student at there own level and make sure he catches a fish before considering the job done.[03:50:13] <oninoshiko> e^ipi: and i acknowlaged that the situation is being worked on[03:50:21] <e^ipi> jamesd_: unless you take from the "old zen master" school of teaching[03:50:31] <e^ipi> in which case the good teacher will hit you over the head when you're being retarded[03:50:36] <nachox> hahaha[03:50:37] <_Lewellyn> nachox: the problem that oninoshiko has is that let's say he installs a machine today. in 6 months or a year, needs to build a clone with the same packages. with the current svr4 packages, he "knows" the same versions will be installed, since they're not fetched over the internet (as a rule)[03:50:57] <qiyong> e^ipi: so svr4 from at&t ships pkgadd ?[03:51:11] <nachox> _Lewellyn, the same is true in opensolaris unless you use the dev repository[03:51:49] <oninoshiko> nachox: you are telling me the default repo will not change version in a year?[03:51:54] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[03:52:20] <nachox> oninoshiko, circa security updates which you probably want anyway i think[03:52:35] <_Lewellyn> nachox: so it won't be like linux where someone goes "oh crap, package update time! :D" and bumps say foobar-1.1-1 to foobar-1.1-1a?[03:52:44] <qiyong> brett_: i don't know what command can show me the pkg a file belongs[03:52:50] <_Lewellyn> security updates can have unintentional side-effects[03:53:27] <nachox> _Lewellyn, the same way any solaris patch these days can i guess, yes[03:53:49] *** yarihm has quit IRC[03:53:59] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: probably not, sun has pretty strict architecture standards[03:54:08] <oninoshiko> nachox: the machines I have, have a VARY low number of potental attack vectors. I use them similer to Joyent, although from what I understand they use an older version then I do[03:54:17] <jamesd_> qiyong: you are fighting a seriously uphill battle. i am a professional Solaris admin (yes my day job is maintaining 150 solaris servers) and i don't think i could find all the necessary packages to go from a min install to X in less than a week.[03:54:17] <e^ipi> but regardless, you can have a local mirror of all the packages you need[03:54:44] <_Lewellyn> nachox: that's why people test patches before deploying them[03:54:47] <e^ipi> qiyong: cd /media/Solaris_11/Product && pkgadd -d . all[03:55:32] <e^ipi> and next time you install, choose all+oem[03:55:54] <e^ipi> disk is cheap, you can afford the 10 cents it'll cost you to lay down everything[03:56:03] <nachox> _Lewellyn, they test them to know whether they will break any existing application installed in the machine they are updating, but by definition, if you're installing a new opensolaris, you do not have any application you want to test your patches against[03:56:26] <brett_> qiyong: on opensolaris, or sxce/s10 ?[03:56:53] <oninoshiko> nachox: not true. if i have 3 clients on it, and a 4th who wants to use the same app, I want it to still work[03:56:57] <_Lewellyn> nachox: except the stuff that you're moving from the old machine?[03:57:10] <_Lewellyn> or do people never migrate software from one machine to another anymore?[03:57:30] <jamesd_> brett_: qiyong has a minimal install of sxce because the full install breaks some how and now he wants to add packages and get enough packages to get X running.[03:58:05] <brett_> jamesd_: ah.[03:58:30] <CIA-33> yong tan - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Yong.Tan at Sun dot COM>: 6771135 bge driver should support the Broadcom Netxtreme BCM5761E[03:58:38] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[03:58:46] <brett_> jamesd_ is right in that the package dependency chain in sxce/s10 leaves much to be desired[03:58:47] <brett_> but[03:59:08] <nachox> crap, i think this kde tars were packaged using gnu tar...[03:59:12] <qiyong> e^ipi: is all a pkg name?[03:59:33] <e^ipi> no, it's a response to "which of these packages do you want to install ? "[03:59:35] <brett_> if you're heading down that path, e^ipi's suggesting to use pkg.opensolaris.org to find out what pkg something belongs to is clever, since you don't have a local package repository[03:59:52] <e^ipi> nachox: @LongLink ?[04:00:17] <psychicist> nachox: night, I'll catch you later[04:00:24] <brett_> and if you actually want to figure out a minimal install plus X, http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svr4_packaging/package_companion is your friend.[04:00:26] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[04:00:26] <nachox> e^ipi, yes[04:00:27] <alanc> I think Glenn Brunette's package manager will show you which packages are in which cluster if you don't want to parse the .clustertoc yourself[04:00:52] <alanc> package companion, that is - see the link brett_ gave[04:00:59] <qiyong> brett_: to find what pkg a file from.[04:01:04] <nachox> e^ipi, i had never seen that error before, why does that happen?[04:01:06] <qiyong> brett_: sxce[04:01:12] <brett_> pkgchk -l -p /path/to/file[04:01:19] <_Lewellyn> wait. a full install of sxce 110 is broken atm?[04:02:10] <nachox> psychicist, night[04:02:29] <qiyong> brett_: e^ipi what command can do me the pkg.opensolaris.org job?[04:02:41] <e^ipi> qiyong: you open up firefox and give'r[04:02:50] <e^ipi> it's a URL[04:05:51] <qiyong> sxce will be solaris 11, what about opensolaris?[04:05:58] *** palowoda has quit IRC[04:06:16] <oninoshiko> what about it?[04:06:44] <_Lewellyn> sxce and opensolaris will soon be one[04:06:54] <_Lewellyn> choose the one that suits your needs now, as it won't later ;)[04:06:56] <nachox> oh, crap, now i know what that @LongLink means... damn gnu tools[04:07:09] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[04:07:09] <brett_> heh[04:07:17] <alanc> opensolaris will be solaris 11, sxce will not[04:07:51] <brett_> solaris 11, aka opensolaris 201206?[04:08:38] <alanc> OpenSolaris 201x.yy, where the values of x and y are part of a complex and currently unsolved equation[04:09:06] <alanc> probably involving differential calculus[04:09:32] <brett_> call whit diffie![04:09:52] <alanc> haven't seen him in a few weeks[04:09:59] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris[04:10:17] <brett_> he's scrawling the aforementioned equation down the back alleys of menlo park[04:11:20] <alanc> unfortunately, when he's done, the values of x & y will be contained in a cryptographically secure envelope, and we still won't know what they are[04:12:21] <brett_> because it's stored in zfs crypto?[04:12:36] <brett_> which is still in an alternate dimension?[04:12:50] <alanc> then he can go back to teaching the execs how to use pgp to protect their e-mails from leaking to the Wall Street Journal or the Register[04:13:19] <nachox> hehe, i'm surprised he is not pissed pgp/gpg is not included in solaris[04:13:35] *** oh_noes has joined #opensolaris[04:14:08] <oh_noes> How do I log auth.info to 3 different log files? the below line doesnt seem to work[04:14:09] <oh_noes> auth.info '/var/log/authlog, /var/log/syslog, /var/adm/messages'[04:14:15] <alanc> I thought evolution had gpg support...looks like it's only libgpg, not the CLI[04:15:19] <_Lewellyn> hrm. it doesn't look like zdb will do what i need :([04:16:04] <qiyong> does sun provide sponsorship? i have ported chip code from linux driver to solaris.[04:16:19] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[04:16:31] <qiyong> it works well with my local source trree and device.[04:16:48] <nachox> oh_noes, you need one line per file[04:16:50] <qiyong> is this chann is full of sun stuff. can i get sponsorhip?[04:16:58] <qiyong> e^ipi: ^[04:17:01] *** medar_ has joined #opensolaris[04:17:03] <qiyong> jamesd_: ^[04:17:20] *** sahX has quit IRC[04:17:24] <alanc> sponsorship like someone to help you integrate your code?[04:17:41] *** medar has quit IRC[04:17:43] <alanc> there's a mailing list to ask for that[04:18:18] <alanc> though porting code from linux drivers will involve someone talking to lawyers about the license of said linux driver and if it's compatible[04:18:36] <qiyong> i can rewrite that[04:18:58] <qiyong> actually it's reworked[04:25:09] *** axisys has quit IRC[04:25:31] *** kate21de has quit IRC[04:31:42] *** oh_noes has left #opensolaris[04:31:43] <ikarius> I though pkgchk was obsolete on opensolaris?[04:32:34] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris[04:39:43] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:43:04] *** Gekz has quit IRC[04:43:36] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[04:44:11] *** medar_ has quit IRC[04:44:41] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[04:45:22] <_Lewellyn> "reworked" != compatible-by-default[04:45:28] <_Lewellyn> in some ways, "reworked" can be worse :P[04:47:11] *** Tpenta1 has joined #opensolaris[04:47:28] *** Asad2005_ has quit IRC[04:50:12] *** medar_ has joined #opensolaris[04:51:31] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[04:52:39] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[04:52:40] *** Tpenta1 has quit IRC[04:52:59] *** taltamir has quit IRC[04:53:29] *** PicCard has quit IRC[04:55:58] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[05:02:17] *** medar has quit IRC[05:04:36] *** Gekz has quit IRC[05:04:49] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[05:06:10] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:07:06] *** j0nas_ has joined #opensolaris[05:08:06] *** medar_ has quit IRC[05:08:18] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[05:11:56] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris[05:13:06] *** TBCOOL has quit IRC[05:13:07] *** bubbva has quit IRC[05:13:11] *** TBCOOL has joined #opensolaris[05:14:52] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:15:47] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[05:17:26] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[05:18:42] *** j0nas has quit IRC[05:22:59] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[05:24:03] *** jteo has quit IRC[05:28:38] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[05:29:57] *** medar_ has joined #opensolaris[05:30:02] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[05:37:40] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[05:38:10] *** medar has quit IRC[05:40:11] *** ladyfantasy has joined #opensolaris[05:42:28] *** mib_r486ap has joined #opensolaris[05:42:56] <mib_r486ap> HI[05:44:19] <mib_r486ap> i installed opensolaris.. NO audio detection in my system[05:44:24] <mib_r486ap> any idea on this[05:46:18] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[05:50:45] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[05:50:59] *** medar_ has quit IRC[05:52:55] <e^ipi> mib_r486ap: oss[05:53:51] * _Lewellyn can't wait for boomer[05:53:57] <_Lewellyn> (yes, i just reopened that can of worms[05:56:25] <alanc> so are you running boomer beta?[05:57:10] <alanc> or rather, boomer release candidate 1a?[05:57:35] <_Lewellyn> alanc: um. since i broke my zfs, i'm not running anything :([05:57:45] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: how is that a can of worms[05:57:45] <_Lewellyn> i'm trying to figure out how to use zdb still :P[05:58:00] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i was thinking of the earlier midi conversation[05:58:07] <e^ipi> oh[05:58:10] <e^ipi> psh[05:58:21] <e^ipi> musicians don't use UNIX[05:58:30] <_Lewellyn> yes they do[05:58:33] <_Lewellyn> they just don't know it ;)[05:58:36] <jbk> not true :)[05:58:38] <e^ipi> well, fine[05:58:54] <jbk> maybe _good_ ones don't :)[05:59:01] <jbk> but i know of at least one[05:59:02] <e^ipi> there are exceptions[05:59:12] <alanc> without the midichlorians, they would not be able to use the Force to create good music...[05:59:22] <alanc> oh, wrong midi...[05:59:27] <jbk> *rimshot*[06:00:18] <alanc> sadly, the musician I know (one of the other X11 engineers) runs Windows on his PC to do his audio mixing...[06:00:26] <_Lewellyn> jbk: i think most musicians use osx, no? :)[06:00:37] <_Lewellyn> alanc: mixing, or raw midi?[06:00:40] <jbk> a fair number of them probably do[06:00:41] <oninoshiko> I have known musicions who used UNIX, but more of them used linux[06:00:47] <_Lewellyn> jbk: then they use unix ;)[06:01:06] <jbk> but i was making a bit of a self-referential joke[06:01:35] <oninoshiko> then again he was on Irix[06:01:46] <jbk> (I play in a band on the weekends)[06:01:55] <alanc> though I just found out one of the people in the x86 driver team is in a band too...[06:02:26] *** asarch has quit IRC[06:02:27] <jbk> i was drafted into my role :)[06:03:19] <alanc> _Lewellyn: I don't really know what he does - he has a blog all about his home studio stuff, but I don't follow that closely, since I don't know much about audio[06:03:37] <jbk> i stopped by one day and sat in, and then i found out i was in the band[06:03:45] <_Lewellyn> alanc: there was a debate earlier on how un/useful midi support would be in solaris :)[06:04:13] *** cypromis has quit IRC[06:04:25] <alanc> I would find no use for it, but that applies to many things others find useful, so I don't judge[06:04:59] <jbk> well if they want to push it as a desktop[06:06:25] <jbk> it might be interesting to try to find a few niche areas to break into[06:06:49] <alanc> ah, found the links - http://www.lbmgmusic.us/ is his studio blog[06:06:54] <e^ipi> dunno that audio would really be that[06:07:05] <e^ipi> there's not a lot in the way of good audio software for X[06:07:12] <jbk> having seen someone going through hell trying to get 3rd party audio devices + recording software working in vista suggests that it's probably a weak area[06:07:17] <jbk> well you need the software too obviously[06:07:43] <_Lewellyn> making midi support 1st-class is a bit of putting the cart before the horse :)[06:07:56] <e^ipi> Logic is second to none[06:08:02] <jbk> well is it any-class right now?[06:08:02] <e^ipi> ergo, most musicians use macs[06:08:26] <alanc> and for a real challenge, try to figure out which one of the people in http://klymaxx.com/ works in Solaris x86 driver engineering - doesn't look like your stereotypical greybeard Unix geek[06:08:42] <jbk> but it does seem like a lot of the features of the solaris kernel (when paired with the appropriate APIs + software) might make a more attractive target[06:09:18] <Atomdrache> I figure, if I ant to see more apps of a certain type in Solaris, I'll make a point of using Solaris toward the purpose in question.[06:09:21] <Atomdrache> want**[06:09:55] <_Lewellyn> jbk: i assume that if a developer is wanting to write a solaris midi app, they'll approach someone about the state of midi. and it can be dealt with then ;)[06:10:06] *** mib_r486ap has quit IRC[06:10:13] <oninoshiko> getting it mainstreamed for ANY common task would make me happy.[06:10:24] *** hrist has quit IRC[06:10:24] <_Lewellyn> alanc: leaning over on the right side?[06:10:30] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris[06:10:31] <_Lewellyn> (of the header pic)[06:10:46] <jbk> i was gonna guess the blond[06:10:48] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: you have the source, no? ;)[06:10:53] <alanc> _Lewellyn: actually, yes[06:10:56] <_Lewellyn> woo![06:11:00] * _Lewellyn scores a point[06:11:23] <oninoshiko> source, yes. ability to contol the buying decisions of others, no[06:11:54] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[06:11:57] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: i suspect that if you were to add midi support to boomer sanely, people would be happy :)[06:12:09] <oninoshiko> (if i could do that, I would be a VARY rich person)[06:12:36] <oninoshiko> only a few., not enough in drasticly increase sales[06:12:37] <e^ipi> not if you could only control an army of hobos[06:12:38] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[06:12:40] <_Lewellyn> why? midi's fairly simple, if you avoid the "compatibility issues" of older hardware[06:12:57] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i want my own hobo army[06:13:08] <_Lewellyn> the best i've had was a bozo army. no one took them seriously :([06:13:12] <e^ipi> SF has some crazy hobos[06:13:20] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[06:13:22] <oninoshiko> e^ipi: i bet i could make some money with a hobo army[06:13:32] <jbk> any idea how they compare to dc's?[06:13:41] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: the problem is keeping their habits fed :P[06:13:58] <_Lewellyn> you can only buy so much heroin a day without raising eyebrows[06:14:17] <oninoshiko> no, you have the hobos do the buying[06:14:19] * jbk remembers one asking me (14 at the time) for money because he was saving up for a home in the bahamas[06:14:42] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: you don't give them the freedom of handling money[06:14:46] <oninoshiko> with the money they steal for you (you guys really arnt good at this whole super-villen thing are you?)[06:15:12] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: you dole out their pleasures in measured doses. you aren't good at minion control, are you? :)[06:15:27] <ikarius> best I ever saw was a pic of a guy panhandling with a sign saying his family was killed by ninjas and he needed money for kung-fu lessons[06:15:44] <oninoshiko> dont have to be. we started with the assumption that i have control of them already[06:15:54] <_Lewellyn> heh. on the way back from the store last night, some guy came up to us and said "if i guess what's in the bag, can i have it?"[06:16:03] <oninoshiko> lol[06:16:06] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: you have to enforce loyalty ;)[06:16:17] <e^ipi> that's what fear is for[06:16:22] <e^ipi> fear is the basis of respect[06:16:27] <e^ipi> and respect is the basis of love[06:16:39] <jbk> thus why you need sharks with 'lasers'[06:16:39] <oninoshiko> thats what the psycic power do (what part of SUPER villien..)[06:16:41] <e^ipi> so by the transitive property, fear is the basis of love[06:16:44] <ikarius> student of machiavelli, hmm?[06:16:45] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: and doling out their drugs when *you* feel they should have them. that works well :)[06:17:02] <e^ipi> ikarius: yes, actually[06:17:06] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: we're lazy. why do extra work if the psyche does it already.[06:17:39] <oninoshiko> well yes, but it sould be able to be replaced with a sutiable perl script...[06:18:30] <oninoshiko> i going back to muching on dinner now[06:21:01] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[06:22:18] <lblume> Hi, people.[06:24:32] <_Lewellyn> nihao[06:25:28] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[06:26:34] <lblume> _Lewellyn: 你好吗？[06:27:02] <e^ipi> unicode[06:27:23] <_Lewellyn> i see a bunch of ???? in my terminal :([06:27:38] <_Lewellyn> i don't know if it's irssi or screen that's not utf-friendly :([06:27:42] <_Lewellyn> i suspect both[06:27:45] <Atomdrache> A while back, I did something dumb: go to the trouble of compiling urxvt, yet forget that I hadn't actually properly installed en.US.UTF-8.[06:27:45] <oninoshiko> you need the asian fonts[06:27:50] <Atomdrache> I'll fix that eventually.[06:28:03] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: i have plenty of asian fonts ;)[06:28:08] <Atomdrache> me iz smart[06:28:08] <_Lewellyn> lblume: you have qq yet, btw? :)[06:28:26] <lblume> Oops, sorry, I seem to have fallen in a breach of the space-time, I thought I was still in the 21st century, where people use modern omputers to communicate all around the world :-D[06:28:37] <e^ipi> nope, just ASCII[06:28:42] * Atomdrache waves from a SPARCstation-20 running irssi.[06:28:54] * _Lewellyn waves from an Ultra 5[06:29:01] <Atomdrache> 'tis my login server, and I use it for IRC.[06:29:21] <oninoshiko> it red just fine from here[06:29:25] <oninoshiko> read*[06:29:31] <_Lewellyn> my ultra 5 is a "meh, it should run THAT" machine ;)[06:29:46] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: using screen + irssi?[06:29:48] * nprice has a stack of eleven pizzabox and two lunchbox sparcstations sitting on top of an e450[06:29:59] <nprice> none of them are doing anything useful[06:30:00] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: no[06:30:22] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: it reads fine for me in (almost) all clients aside from this setup :)[06:30:38] <Atomdrache> I have a few old SPARCstations in reserve that I got form an auction, but I had this one before that.[06:31:11] <Atomdrache> I should not, however, describe the deprecated army I've amassed. I'll stop right there.[06:31:16] * lblume answers from a Lenovo 天逸[06:31:16] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[06:31:28] <nprice> i am chatting from a hackintosh right now[06:31:34] <lblume> Sorry, that' the name printed on it.[06:31:34] <Atomdrache> In any case. I should go find out which Solaris 9 packages would make Unicode look right in this terminal.[06:31:58] <Atomdrache> The last time I attempted this, I managed to install six broken Chinese locales or something. Did it wrong.[06:32:22] <lblume> Solaris 9 is painful in lcale management. S10 introduced localeadm, which eases it a lot.[06:32:43] <_Lewellyn> yes, you can actually USE locales in solaris 10 :)[06:32:52] <Atomdrache> Actually, this thing's got a /usr/sbin/localeadm.[06:32:59] <Atomdrache> Mind you, I don't know how well it works.[06:33:23] <lblume> It does? Weird, I'd have sworn it was S10 only. Must have been backported.[06:33:33] <Atomdrache> If it weren't for the hideous patchwork of hacks on here, I might just reinstall Solaris 9. However, it took a long time to make this thing the right kind of mangled.[06:34:05] <Atomdrache> What would be the easiest way to get the additonal fonts and an en_US.UTF-8 locale on here?[06:34:10] <Atomdrache> localeadm, I imagine?[06:35:15] <lblume> yes, follow the man, it's pretty easy, you only need the install media mounted somewhere. It's better to patch the newly installed packages afterwards, too.[06:36:34] <Atomdrache> Well, there's a complication. The CD-ROM drive on this thing seems to have died, and I'd have to shut it down to mount an external drive. I should wait 'til I bring it down to put it on a UPS (near future plan).[06:36:54] <lblume> Use NFS, then.[06:37:04] <Atomdrache> I've had terrible luck with CD-ROM drives. No fewer then half a dozen CD-ROM drive deaths among my aging machine army in the past year.[06:37:10] <Atomdrache> Oh, yeah.[06:37:13] <Atomdrache> I forgot about NFS.[06:37:17] <lblume> You using IRC and all, I assume smoe sort of networking? :-)[06:37:49] *** egoz has quit IRC[06:37:49] <Atomdrache> Last time I used NFS, it was to do something perverted with a Sun 4/110. I can reteach myself what I need.[06:38:15] *** j0nas_ has quit IRC[06:38:41] <Atomdrache> Hmm...unfortunately, I think the CD-ROM drive in my Sunblade 2000 may have also died. No joke, it croaked right after the last disc of Solaris 10 10/08.[06:38:53] <e^ipi> meh[06:38:58] <e^ipi> just set up a jumpstart server[06:39:01] <Atomdrache> Maybe I can bring up another machine (whose CD-ROM drive isn't dead yet) and use it.[06:40:43] <lblume> Or spend 10 EUR in a new one? :-)[06:41:06] <Atomdrache> This is a backward little town. SCSI CD-ROM drives kind of don't exist outside of my house.[06:41:28] <Atomdrache> I bought the last two from the local computer store's junk bin.[06:41:39] <oninoshiko> ebay?[06:42:07] <oninoshiko> then again, I'm the one who wants to smack ebayers..[06:42:15] <e^ipi> Atomdrache: why the blazes would you need to bring up a machine with a cdrom?[06:42:20] <e^ipi> just download the iso and use that[06:42:25] <Atomdrache> My current plan is to grab a bunch of them from eBay next chance I'm feeling like spending money.[06:42:57] <Tempt> jjjjumpstart[06:43:28] <Atomdrache> Need to learn how to use that first. I think it went awry the last time I tried to set one of those up.[06:43:46] <e^ipi> it's easy[06:43:49] <e^ipi> a monkey can do it[06:44:10] <Tempt> setup_install_server[06:44:13] <Tempt> add_install_client[06:44:14] <Tempt> boot net[06:44:16] <Tempt> cooked.[06:44:24] <Tempt> JET if you want to do custom stuff.[06:45:19] <Atomdrache> Steps one and two there are either not in my path or consist of more steps.[06:45:35] <Atomdrache> Got a guide open in Firefox here.[06:45:36] *** [JT] has quit IRC[06:45:46] <Tempt> mount the install ISO[06:45:50] <Tempt> and look in "Tools"[06:46:34] <Atomdrache> Backtracking somewhat: this is all to add a locale?[06:46:38] <Atomdrache> I am confused.[06:46:49] <Tempt> This is just too confusing.[06:46:54] <Atomdrache> Also, I should consider turning down XMMS.[06:47:11] <Tempt> Aah, enjoying that one then?[06:47:23] *** sparcdr has joined #opensolaris[06:47:28] <oninoshiko> your neighbors aren't as much[06:48:06] <Atomdrache> Actually, I had the Blastwave binary already (though I might install the PCOW version so I can get rid of a lot of CSW packages that aren't used by anything else)[06:48:24] <Tempt> xmms-curses[06:48:26] <Atomdrache> oninoshiko: Don't worry. Nobody can hear me over their dog.[06:48:27] <Tempt> you know you need it.[06:48:52] <lblume> xmms doesn't do Unicode.[06:48:59] <oninoshiko> heheh...[06:49:03] *** sparcdr has quit IRC[06:49:17] <oninoshiko> anywho, im off, night/day/whateva[06:49:34] <lblume> 'afternoon oninoshiko :-)[06:49:41] <e^ipi> lblume: no, but it does ASCII as god and DEC intended[06:49:41] <Atomdrache> As I found out when playing some Japanese trance tracks. Sometimes, XMMS will just outright puke at the wrong combination of umlauts-that-used-to-be-katakana.[06:49:42] <e^ipi> ;)[06:50:02] <Atomdrache> Whereas my xterms handle freaky characters fine.[06:50:18] <Tempt> Heh, magic unicode can brick iPods, too.[06:50:21] <lblume> I thought god intended EBCDIC, and lucifer used ASCII to lure the faithful away?[06:50:26] <Atomdrache> so I may go with the curses interface, despite the time I invested in being an artistic fruit and tweaking my XMMS theme in Gimp.[06:51:07] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:51:26] <Atomdrache> So...as for adding the locale, mount the ISO and use localeadm?[06:52:19] * lblume is a Crusader for Unicode, not being part of that ethnic minority that uses a puny number of characters to write their quaint language.[06:52:27] <lblume> Atomdrache: Yep, that's it![06:52:53] <_Lewellyn> lblume: so you ignore the "utf-8 is wrong for asia" people? ;)[06:53:19] <lblume> I said *Unicode*, you unbeliever, not UTF-8.[06:53:26] <lblume> GB18030 is fine.[06:53:35] <Atomdrache> Should I be using shift-JIS or something?[06:53:44] <_Lewellyn> ughno[06:53:47] <Atomdrache> (mind you, nichanneru produces beautiful shift-JIS art sometimes)[06:53:48] <codestr0m> lblume: morning![06:53:59] <lblume> codestr0m: Afternoon![06:53:59] <codestr0m> eat any chicken feet yet?[06:54:03] <Atomdrache> (it's like ASCII art with more finesse!)[06:55:23] <lblume> Nah, I tried pig and calf, but honestly, I don't see the point, unless no other part is available. I sometimes do wonder where the other parts are, since the feet vastly outnumber the breasts in supermarkets....[06:56:03] <codestr0m> lblume: you don't know chinese go crazy over chicken feet?[06:56:31] <_Lewellyn> lblume: what's your problem with UTF-9? ;)[06:56:34] <e^ipi> and jews are stingy with money and black people are lazy...[06:56:40] <e^ipi> *rolls eyes*[06:56:46] <lblume> Oh, I know, I know. Good for them. I'll give them my plate.[06:56:50] <codestr0m> e^ipi: that's completely uncalled for stop it right now[06:57:09] <lblume> e^ipi: No idea for Jews, but it's definitely real for chicken feet in BJ :-)[06:57:33] <Atomdrache> Hey, last time I went to 99 Banh in Albuquerque, they were out ot chicken feet.[06:57:38] <Atomdrache> of**[06:57:48] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: s/black //[06:58:10] <Atomdrache> Actually, to be fair, I don't know for sure which aisle that'd be in. Maybe i just missed them.[06:58:11] <e^ipi> codestr0m: *shrug* you were the one that brought up stereotypes[06:58:28] <CIA-33> sonam gupta - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India <Sonam.Gupta at Sun dot COM>: 6806136 file name either not printed or printed incorrectly in banner page[06:58:29] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I don't care if you're a racist, but leave that shit at home[06:58:48] <lblume> _Lewellyn: Don't make make mistakes with the Holy Name of one of the Apostles of Unicode, please. It's UTF-*8*[06:58:53] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: it's not really a stereotype... it's a not-uncommon food...[06:59:08] <_Lewellyn> lblume: but what about the PDP-10!? :)[06:59:15] <Atomdrache> Indeed, I do know a guy who used to eat those. Claimed they're excellent party food.[06:59:18] * _Lewellyn points to RFC 4042[06:59:19] <Atomdrache> I'd give 'em a try.[06:59:28] <lblume> e^ipi: It's not at all a stereotype. Feet, chicken, pigs, calf, are very, very common.[06:59:41] <Atomdrache> Might be awesome dipped in spring roll sauce![06:59:44] <e^ipi> lblume: it's still a stereotype to say that all chinese people love them[06:59:56] <_Lewellyn> hm. i should head down tomorrow to pick up a silkie. see if they'll cut the head and feet off for me tho :P[07:00:13] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: it's a generalization, not a stereotype[07:00:18] <e^ipi> touche[07:00:20] <_Lewellyn> it's like saying "americans like fast food"[07:00:49] <_Lewellyn> or "linux users are noobs" ;)[07:01:00] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: thank you.. much better worded than me[07:01:18] <lblume> Linux users are l33t![07:01:29] <lblume> It's a well known fact.[07:01:33] <_Lewellyn> lblume: are silkie chickens common over there?[07:01:41] <e^ipi> lblume: nothing's more leet than putting a CD in a drive and turning the machine on[07:01:42] <lblume> silkie?[07:01:48] <_Lewellyn> they're a bit of a delicacy in the markets here[07:01:51] <_Lewellyn> black chickens[07:02:06] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: like 2008.11? ;)[07:02:10] <lblume> Ah, black skin?[07:02:29] <e^ipi> lblume: i'd assume feathers ;)[07:02:31] <_Lewellyn> and bones[07:02:45] <_Lewellyn> supposed to be excellent for your health.[07:02:47] <lblume> e^ipi: That l33t Windows. l33t Linux *also* knows how to use a package manager.[07:02:56] <e^ipi> lblume: only if it's got a GUI[07:03:01] <_Lewellyn> another parallel to 2008.11 ;)[07:03:05] <e^ipi> consoles, like math, are hard[07:03:07] *** mib_djm42m has joined #opensolaris[07:03:14] <_Lewellyn> let's go shopping![07:03:14] <mib_djm42m> hi[07:03:17] <e^ipi> heh[07:03:18] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:03:23] <lblume> _Lewellyn: I've tried the thing in soup, I think.[07:03:25] <Atomdrache> Say, this brings to mind a distant question.[07:03:30] <mib_djm42m> i installed oss[07:03:41] <mib_djm42m> i am getting below error[07:03:43] <mib_djm42m> devfsadm: driver failed to attach: oss_via823x[07:03:48] <mib_djm42m> any idea[07:03:53] <Atomdrache> Between Solaris 10 10/08 and SXCE, which one is more likely to make me go out and get a bunch of funny libraries in order to compile something?[07:04:13] <_Lewellyn> solaris 10[07:04:24] <_Lewellyn> followed by opensolaris[07:04:26] <lblume> _Lewellyn: Oh, BTW: thanks, been a while since I last checked the RFC out on 04/1 ;-)[07:04:28] <_Lewellyn> followed by sxce[07:04:29] <Atomdrache> Agrees with my experience of late.[07:04:48] <_Lewellyn> lblume: some of the best rfcs are dated that ;)[07:05:05] <_Lewellyn> rfc 1605 is my all-time fave[07:05:06] <Atomdrache> Comes to mind because it occured to me that, hey, if I made my E450 a jumpstart server, I could circumvent that problem I have that involves not having any DVD drives.[07:05:13] <Atomdrache> and, hence, install recent SXCE.[07:05:16] <lblume> Spent a good time reading them a few years ago while waiting for an RS/6000 to finish installing :-)[07:05:37] <Atomdrache> (I need to overhaul that thing--it's on, like...build sixty-something.)[07:05:56] <lblume> Mine is "Transmitting packet via avian carrier", not sure the exact name.[07:06:17] <_Lewellyn> rfc 2549?[07:06:23] <e^ipi> some kids actually tried that one time[07:06:26] <_Lewellyn> with QoS?[07:06:34] <lblume> with its later extension for QoS in case carriers get lost or shot down.[07:06:43] <Atomdrache> That reminds me. Does anybody know of a good curses IM client, since finch is awful and has the worst documentation of any IM client?[07:06:46] <_Lewellyn> that's 2549 :)[07:07:05] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: bitlbee + irssi + screen is popular[07:07:05] <lblume> RFC1149 is the first.[07:07:09] <Atomdrache> (mind you, I ponder just telling everybody to meet me on IRC.)[07:07:11] <_Lewellyn> lblume: yes :)[07:07:22] <Atomdrache> _Lewellyn: I tried to build that, but it had complaints about sockets or something.[07:07:25] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[07:07:40] <_Lewellyn> it's not my favorite code to look at :P[07:07:44] <Atomdrache> Tried to build it under SXCE, Solaris 9, and NetBSD. The first two times, it whined about sockets. The third time, it built and just plumb didn't work.[07:07:58] <Atomdrache> Never figured out how to fix it.[07:08:09] <Atomdrache> Whacked at it for a good month.[07:08:10] <lblume> What's wrong about being decadent and using graphical apps? :-P[07:08:20] <e^ipi> lblume: you can't toss them in screen[07:08:29] <lblume> I'm l33t Solaris: I built my Pidgin.[07:08:34] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: there's centerim. dunno if it builds.[07:08:36] <lblume> And tossed it in VNC :-P[07:08:46] <e^ipi> vnc's painful slow[07:08:54] <_Lewellyn> i wish vnc worked better on my phone[07:08:54] <e^ipi> *paintpaintpaint*[07:08:59] <_Lewellyn> granted, it works better than ssh :P[07:09:09] <lblume> Not today: YouTube has been banned, much more bandwidth than usual :-D[07:09:10] <Atomdrache> CenterIM builds on my boxes like NeXTstations are fire-resistant.[07:09:12] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: how many bits and what res and which protocol do you run?[07:09:33] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: i dunno ,every time i dick around with VNC it's obscenely slow[07:09:38] <e^ipi> so i just don't[07:09:56] <Atomdrache> Ugh. VNC is slow even when I'm using it within the same system. I don't see how it can outpace SSH.[07:10:12] <Atomdrache> (in this case, xVNC and a SunPCi card)[07:10:23] *** mib_djm42m has quit IRC[07:10:28] <e^ipi> i don't use the GUI all that often anyways, so with the exception of irc and IM ( both can live on the console ) i don't need more than ssh[07:10:41] <Atomdrache> And for everything else,[07:10:45] <Atomdrache> ssh -Y.[07:10:52] <e^ipi> i'm one of those freaks for whom X is for opening multiple terminals at the same time[07:11:22] <Atomdrache> e^ipi: I have described myself as such in the past.[07:11:37] <Atomdrache> And X as a neat way to mulitplex xterms.[07:11:49] <lblume> That's what xinerama is for. One display to open a dozen terminals, the other for graphical apps and being a little decadent.[07:12:07] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: i scale my 1000x600x8 screen to 1/3. ssh is buggy and slow on my phone[07:12:25] <e^ipi> lblume: i will admit to using graphical browsers[07:12:32] <e^ipi> but other than that *shrug*[07:12:35] <e^ipi> don't see the point[07:12:54] *** Gekz has quit IRC[07:13:00] <e^ipi> if it doesn't involve images, which it usually does not, i don't need a gui for it[07:13:08] <Atomdrache> I have two uses for graphical web browsers: looking at stupid flash movies, and something else best not mentioned in polite company.[07:13:19] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[07:13:26] <Atomdrache> Otherwise? Links loads faster and is nicer to my RAM.[07:13:34] <_Lewellyn> we'll be polite enough to pretend to not know[07:13:44] <Atomdrache> I appreciate your politeness.[07:13:45] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: and what of sites which require ajax?[07:13:55] <lblume> People like you who save RAM instead of buying more are bad for the economy :-P[07:14:11] <Atomdrache> _Lewellyn: Ajax is for my bathroom sink.[07:14:27] <Atomdrache> lblume: oi, lighten up, my Sunblade's got 8GB stuffed in it.[07:14:29] <e^ipi> ram is for eating through with java things[07:14:55] <Atomdrache> RAM is for making ZFS go faster.[07:15:22] <Atomdrache> That and withstanding surprise attacks from applications you didn't know used GTK.[07:15:30] <DesiJat> sunblade 2k ram can be $$[07:15:42] <Atomdrache> It can. I got bloody lucky on eBay.[07:15:43] <DesiJat> found a good deal on Ebay tho[07:15:45] <DesiJat> hah[07:15:47] <DesiJat> same here :)[07:15:49] <DesiJat> 8GB[07:15:58] <Atomdrache> I just hope none of my sticks begin to experience intermittent failures or something.[07:16:05] <DesiJat> mines been running about 2 months now[07:16:07] <DesiJat> no issues[07:16:16] <DesiJat> tons of zones, hadoop/java stuff taxing the memory nicely[07:16:18] <DesiJat> + zfs[07:16:24] <Atomdrache> The box puked out some RED state exceptions a while ago, so I switched out a CPU. Hasn't done it since, and I sure hope the RAM or the system board didn't cause it.[07:16:43] <DesiJat> u had a extra cpu laying about?[07:17:08] <Atomdrache> Yes, from a dead Sunblade 2000. Let's just say that, the first time I bought one, the seller didn't understand packing peanuts.[07:17:14] <DesiJat> oh :([07:17:17] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:17:20] <Atomdrache> I got refunded and got to keep the dead hulk that was so hosed I couldn't even get to OBP.[07:17:30] <Atomdrache> Yet, the RAM and at least one of the CPUs seems to work.[07:17:30] <_Lewellyn> lblume: again, buy me more ram for my U5 ;)[07:17:42] <DesiJat> i got lucky on my whole SB 2K purchase[07:18:18] <Atomdrache> (originally, the rat bastard wanted me to ship the thing back to him--New Mexico to New York and about $60 for shipping because that idiot didn't know what packing peanuts are. And that roll of packing tape he left in the box? Not getting that back either!)[07:18:55] <Atomdrache> In any case, I now watch the box like a hawk, and am in a constant state of fear that a horrible intermittent failure will pop up.[07:19:18] <Atomdrache> Hopefully, switching out the CPU fixed it. If the system board is damaged, I'm screwed (because the dead box's system board is in worse shape).[07:19:45] <Atomdrache> And if it's the RAM, I'm also screwed (because 1GB sticks for SB2000s are worth half a month's rent).[07:20:10] <Atomdrache> I keep a close eye on its ttya through a tip connection.[07:21:06] <Atomdrache> Actually, I might've asked here--in your experience, what usually causes RED state exceptions?[07:21:12] <Atomdrache> RAM, CPU, or system board?[07:21:36] <lblume> _Lewellyn: Not so long ago, I dumped some of those beasts, and happily :-P[07:21:38] <Atomdrache> Certainly, all three (or even rare software failures) *can*.[07:22:30] *** Gekz has quit IRC[07:22:39] <e^ipi> red states[07:22:41] <e^ipi> ;)[07:22:56] <Atomdrache> I looked up the trap type, and it was something about "fast data access MMU miss", or something similar. Unless I misread the table in the US-III manual.[07:23:15] <Atomdrache> (originally, I turned to my SPARCv9 book, but the trap type fell under "implementation specific". I was annoyed.)[07:23:55] <Atomdrache> The manual mentioned something about table-lookahead buffers, which, to me, sounds like a CPU problem. But I could be mistaken.[07:24:48] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[07:25:15] <e^ipi> i have a b1k that's been through 4 CPU's and 2 motherboards and still throws those errors[07:25:18] <e^ipi> i've given up on it[07:25:25] <Atomdrache> Eww.[07:25:35] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[07:25:36] <e^ipi> i'd part it out if i knew which parts to toss and which to sell[07:26:13] <Atomdrache> It might actually be caused by software, then. Did you dig up the trap types for the errors?[07:26:26] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[07:26:34] <e^ipi> it's not software[07:26:34] <Atomdrache> There's a table to translate them in the UltraSPARC-III manual.[07:26:39] <lblume> One Blade 2000 was a similar source of problems for some people in my former job.[07:26:39] <Atomdrache> well, one of them.[07:26:44] <e^ipi> there's no way it could be software[07:26:54] <lblume> Sun changed everything in it except case and PSU, some parts several times.[07:27:14] <e^ipi> since the motherboard swap took care of the firmware, and the fact that i've tried to reinstall it several times to no avail took care of that[07:27:23] <e^ipi> the thing is just cursed[07:27:39] <Atomdrache> I wonder what a flaky power supply could do.[07:27:43] <lblume> Overexpensive crap is my word for it.[07:28:21] <Atomdrache> Ironically, I picked this thing up because my Ultra 80 has those accursed 450MHz US-II modules that have ecache problems sometimes, despite my having set up scrubbing in /etc/system.[07:28:51] <DesiJat> i think..it was e^ipi who convinced me to buy SB2K...i think[07:28:53] <DesiJat> <-- moazamraja[07:29:00] <Atomdrache> I am fairly sure that Sun hardware doesn't have a tendency to screw up that often, so I will attribute both cases to "eBay: cheaper for a reason"[07:29:17] <e^ipi> pretty much[07:29:23] <lblume> Too close to trolling - sorry. I've suffered a long time on an SB150, difficult to get over it even after years.[07:29:30] <Atomdrache> The place where all defective hardware that is not thrown away will surely gravitate. So all the stuff with intermittent failures that are horrible to trace.[07:29:52] <e^ipi> i'd buy new if sun still sold it[07:29:57] <Atomdrache> (the DEC stuff is probably still fine, that said)[07:30:00] <Tempt> I had a cursed 420 like that once.[07:30:06] <Atomdrache> Aye. It was sad to see the new SPARC workstations go.[07:30:11] <Tempt> replaced motherboard, PSUs, DC distro, wiring hardness, memory, CPUs ...[07:30:14] <lblume> *shrugs* Sun hardware does have failures, like all others.[07:30:40] <Tempt> Sun just replaced the entire box since it was under contract.[07:30:42] <Tempt> no more faults.[07:30:46] <Atomdrache> I suppose that if I wanted to get a new box, though, I'd probably get a rackmount Primepower SPARC64 box.[07:31:01] <Tempt> M3000[07:31:07] <e^ipi> i'd probably just pick up a niagra and a handful of sunrays[07:31:19] <Atomdrache> Sunrays. LANL likes those, I hear from an employee.[07:31:36] <e^ipi> they're pretty cool[07:31:48] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[07:31:51] <Tempt> pick the box to suit the job, people.[07:31:58] <Tempt> except M9000 suits all jobs.[07:32:05] <lblume> I seriously doubt Niagara is good for any interactive job, including SunRay. Individual threads are really slow. Sun isn't touting them for that kind of use, either.[07:32:19] <Atomdrache> I actually plan on trying to convince NMT"s campus computing committee to consieder installing a dozen or so Sun Ray 2 machines in the computer center. The North User Area (formerly "Sun Room") is currently a depressingly barren place, ever since they got rid of the SPARCstation-20s.[07:32:21] <Tempt> Niagara is doing well for sunray server, actually.[07:32:29] <e^ipi> i don't hammer on my machines[07:32:39] <Atomdrache> They could hook up the Sun Rays to one of the spare Red Hat systems in the server room.[07:32:57] <e^ipi> with sufficient ram, i'm happy with a 600mhz CPU[07:33:00] <Tempt> lots and lots of concurrent small loads on a system with 20 desktop users[07:33:04] <e^ipi> so one thread of a niagra is fine by me[07:34:30] <DesiJat> there is the Ultra 45..sparc based[07:35:01] <e^ipi> DesiJat: discontinued[07:35:04] <DesiJat> oh[07:35:39] <Atomdrache> Now all they've got is the Ultra 24.[07:35:48] <DesiJat> mine is a dual 900mhz[07:35:53] <DesiJat> (sb2k)[07:35:59] <Atomdrache> Sun selling an Intel workstation. That's almost as sad as Silicon Graphics not selling graphics workstations anymore.[07:36:22] <Atomdrache> (also: what the hell, tezros still go for like $9000 on eBay)[07:36:46] <DesiJat> workstations are kinda dead[07:36:53] <Atomdrache> In general, yeah.[07:36:55] <DesiJat> desktop = workstation, practically[07:36:59] *** mib_zlsfkb has joined #opensolaris[07:37:06] <DesiJat> video cards, ram, cpus...it's all fast as hell[07:37:19] <Atomdrache> Still, it bites a bit to see x86 steamroll everything else.[07:37:30] <DesiJat> no ones fault i suppose[07:37:37] <Atomdrache> I know it works well and all, but...damn, it's just such an ugly design.[07:37:37] <DesiJat> other than..sgi, sun, etc.[07:37:40] <e^ipi> doesn't make sense to have expensive workstations when some cheapo dell POS will do the job, and you can deploy on something else if need be[07:37:50] <Atomdrache> They could ditch three-fifths of those transistors and get the same amount of computing power.[07:37:52] <lblume> Atomdrache: Sun was selling an Intel workstation 20 years ago, n ot very successfully - so it's more like back to the roots :-)[07:38:01] <DesiJat> hehe[07:38:03] <Atomdrache> inaddy: 386i? I saw one once.[07:38:19] <inaddy> Atomdrache: ?[07:38:33] <Atomdrache> Only 20-year old Intel-based Sun worksation I can think of.[07:38:38] <Atomdrache> Sun 386i. I saw one on a wooden pallet once.[07:38:46] <lblume> Yep.[07:38:47] <Atomdrache> (underneath a bunch of pizza boxes)[07:39:01] <Tempt> heh[07:39:01] <Atomdrache> I wish I'd gotten the pallet that also had the 3/60. Never played with a Sun 3.[07:39:08] <mib_zlsfkb> Hi[07:39:10] <Tempt> At the rate things are going, it'll be Intel or nothing.[07:39:12] <Atomdrache> And I still find Sun 3 software tapes in the dumpster now and then.[07:39:19] <Atomdrache> Like a copy of Leonardo.[07:39:26] <mib_zlsfkb> is there anything like xmms or audacious in opensolaris[07:39:38] <Atomdrache> mib_zlsfkb: Yes and probably.[07:39:45] <Atomdrache> Also, amarok.[07:39:58] <mib_zlsfkb> where can i download[07:40:04] <Tempt> gooooooooooooooooooooooooogl[07:40:05] <Tempt> gooooooooooooooooooooooooogle[07:40:44] <Atomdrache> blastwave.org/packages.php, for one.[07:41:00] <Atomdrache> Have to install pkg-get or pkgutil first, but they have instructions.[07:41:37] <Atomdrache> There are also other builds that have nothing to do with Blastwave, which may be preferable, since installing Blastwave anything usually means waiting for thirty optional dependencies to download.[07:41:55] <Atomdrache> (that said, don't get nmap from Blastwave--just compile it without the GUI!)[07:42:06] <Atomdrache> (save yourself like...300MB of downloads.)[07:42:10] <_Lewellyn> lblume: it's a workhorse, it's cheap to operate, and replacing it is not worthwhile, really :) (my U5)[07:42:50] <Atomdrache> Mind you, Intel could't get rid of x86 if they wanted to. (hello, i960, EPIC, Itanium, XScale...)[07:43:14] <Atomdrache> (I attribute part of this to Itanium being vile)[07:45:04] <_Lewellyn> intel kept the only good part of itanium. the abi[07:46:37] <lblume> Atomdrache: And the i4032, IIRC. Announced in '85 as the next 32 bit processor from Intel (I found a bunch of old magazines some time ago, an d read the headline - we're not living in the future that was predicted to us...)[07:46:47] <Tempt> The interesting question is "Will AMD make a comeback?"[07:46:58] <lblume> _Lewellyn: It's a disgrce, that's all. No excuse can save you from that. 'nuf said.[07:47:03] <Tempt> Because if they don't, intel will be in a strong position to do nothing but bank it.[07:47:24] <_Lewellyn> blame microsoft. the 80286 should have been the end of the line :P[07:47:41] <Tempt> Can't blame Microsoft for that one.[07:47:44] <_Lewellyn> but no... they had to go forward with windows instead of holding their end of the deal with ibm :P[07:47:52] <Tempt> They ported NT4 to Alpha, MIPS ...[07:48:04] <_Lewellyn> Tempt: the 80286 WAY predates "NT"[07:48:06] <Atomdrache> Alpha nearly lived, despite the deaths of DEC and Compaq.[07:48:12] <Atomdrache> NT helped keep it alive.[07:48:15] <lblume> Ah, I saw some Microsoft OS/2 disks once, but alas, they'd been reformatted :-)[07:48:23] <_Lewellyn> lblume: want a copy? ;)[07:48:31] <Atomdrache> Naturally, Intel wanted it dead. It ran Windows faster than x86.[07:48:36] <Tempt> CPU options boil down to x86, SPARC & POWER[07:48:45] <Tempt> and if IBM acquires Sun, there's no need for them to compete any more in that space.[07:48:48] <Tempt> so it'll be[07:48:50] <Tempt> or[07:48:51] <Tempt> x86[07:48:55] <Tempt> x86[07:48:58] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: intel wanted to kill the x86 with the 286. the 286 was meant to be a stepping stone to the future[07:49:00] <e^ipi> and itanic[07:49:06] <Tempt> If AMD doesn't crank a Nehalem-killer, it'll be[07:49:08] <lblume> Would it boot in VBox? If yes, I'd sure love to get a perfectly legal copy that wouldn't run afoul of any copyright law anywhere :-][07:49:09] <Tempt> Intel x86 or nothing.[07:49:10] <Atomdrache> I'm pretty sure that POWER, at least, will survive. x86 can't hold a candle to it in supercomputing.[07:49:24] <Atomdrache> POWER6 looks real nice on spec.org :D[07:49:27] <_Lewellyn> lblume: i can't get it to boot in virtualization at all[07:49:32] <Tempt> Not so good in real life, though.[07:49:36] *** hajma has quit IRC[07:49:45] <Atomdrache> (also, how far into the future do you think the descendents of the system/360--z/Architecture and such--will persist?)[07:50:01] <Tempt> And there's far more "supercomputing" (read: HPC clusters) on x86 now.[07:50:01] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: it's been what? 30+years? at least another 15-20[07:50:13] <Tempt> zSeries is on POWER now.[07:50:13] <lblume> My Company still supports GECOS.[07:50:20] *** ejat has joined #opensolaris[07:50:25] <Atomdrache> Tempt: IBM's got the majority of the MIPS in the top fifty.[07:50:40] <Tempt> Until someone builds a 500 node Nehalem cluster.[07:50:45] <_Lewellyn> and that's why ibm wouldn't care at all about sparc[07:50:46] <Tempt> and then everyone else does it.[07:50:56] <Atomdrache> Wait, they killed z/Architecture? I did not know that.[07:51:03] <Tempt> R&D on POWER has to be expensive.[07:51:12] <_Lewellyn> Tempt: so they'll drop more cores in a POWER system *shrug*[07:51:13] <Tempt> Atomdrache: No, they didn't. They moved to POWER CPUs, that's all.[07:51:21] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: it was on x86 for a time, too[07:51:28] <Atomdrache> Yeah, but IBM is a 400,000-employee monstrosity with a market value of something like $150 billion. They can do it.[07:51:39] <Tempt> IBM's x86 division competes actively against their POWER branches.[07:52:11] <_Lewellyn> all i can see of ibm wanting sparc is to kill x86[07:52:11] <Atomdrache> I imagine IBM tries to keep their X and P lines in different market segments.[07:52:12] *** lesterc_ has joined #opensolaris[07:52:35] <DesiJat> power6 sucks on the 1-2 CPU side, running Java/application servers/etc.[07:52:35] *** lesterc__ has joined #opensolaris[07:52:38] *** lesterc has quit IRC[07:52:43] <Tempt> Atomdrache: They'll push Bladecentres against everything, including their own POWER iron.[07:52:47] <_Lewellyn> DesiJat: that's where sparc would be nice ;)[07:52:58] <DesiJat> i tested bladecenter power6 based blades, sucked[07:52:59] <Tempt> There's no incentive for IBM to fight x86.[07:52:59] <Atomdrache> IBM wants nothing to do with SPARC. They already have at least three in-house architectures, at least two of which would overlap SPARC.[07:53:01] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[07:53:03] <Tempt> They sell too many x86 boxes for that.[07:53:14] <DesiJat> x86 seems to do best for java/appserver[07:53:19] <Tempt> Atomdrache: POWER and what else in that space?[07:53:20] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: i've pointed this out many times. i'm playing devil's advocate[07:53:35] <Atomdrache> Windows on System/X certainly makes IBM a lot of money in support.[07:53:41] <DesiJat> i dont care about sparc...[07:53:51] <DesiJat> as long as solaris survives/thrives[07:53:58] <DesiJat> x86+power, whatever[07:54:05] <Tempt> it'll thrive[07:54:08] <Tempt> just like Alpha ;-)[07:54:11] <Atomdrache> Tempt: Well, my mind may be lagging behind. A few years ago, there was z/Architecture and whatever was in System/I.[07:54:16] <Atomdrache> Nevermind, they moved I onto POWER too.[07:54:16] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[07:54:21] <Tempt> Atomdrache: That's *all* POWER now.[07:54:30] *** lesterc_ has quit IRC[07:54:35] <Atomdrache> DesiJat: I'd expect 'em to can it in favor of AIX, honestly.[07:54:45] <_Lewellyn> Tempt: they may well keep researchers on the "old" platforms, though. never know when a breakthrough may happen.[07:55:06] <Tempt> "PowerThreads"[07:55:07] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: they'd can practically everything of sun's.[07:55:09] <Atomdrache> i.e. support Solaris until they can push most of the customers to Windows, AIX, or Linux.[07:55:11] <Tempt> 16 cores of POWER on one die ;-)[07:55:24] <Atomdrache> _Lewellyn: Practically everything of Sun's would overlap their existing business.[07:55:29] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: exactly[07:55:35] <_Lewellyn> except openoffice ;)[07:55:39] <Atomdrache> They want the following:[07:55:58] <Tempt> IBM + Sun = 65% market share.[07:56:00] <_Lewellyn> they don't compete with sun and they've demonstrated that they don't have an interest in sun's market[07:56:03] <Atomdrache> Sun's market share, to use against HP; Some of Sun's software; Sun's market share, to use against HP.[07:56:04] <DesiJat> atom: nope, they havent done much with AIX in the last bunch o' years[07:56:10] <DesiJat> if they buy Sun, they'll 100% keep solaris[07:56:12] <DesiJat> fo sho[07:56:14] <Atomdrache> Did I mention Sun's market share?[07:56:20] <_Lewellyn> DesiJat: they're migrating to linux :P[07:56:31] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: that's what will keep regulators from approving it.[07:56:41] <Tempt> heh, like US regulators have any teeth[07:56:42] <_Lewellyn> nevermind that marketshare is pointless when they're in different market segments[07:56:42] <Atomdrache> Maybe.[07:56:46] <DesiJat> ibm is historically known for running competing techs in parallel[07:56:55] <_Lewellyn> they'll quickly lose sun's marketshare when they kill the products[07:57:01] <Atomdrache> Yeah, but they already have enough competing technologies in parallel as it is.[07:57:02] <DesiJat> they'll keep it, develop it, and charge $$ for services/support/consulting[07:57:07] * Tempt vanishes[07:57:08] <Atomdrache> In recent years, they've tried to narrrow down some of that.[07:57:17] <DesiJat> many companies are shunning solaris BECAUSE sun/schwartz owns it[07:57:21] <Atomdrache> They used to have more mainframe and minicomputer lines, and they consolidated those.[07:57:21] <_Lewellyn> DesiJat: like os/2, windows, linux, aix?[07:57:33] <DesiJat> if it's IBM owning it, it'd be more safe[07:57:50] <Atomdrache> Now they have *one* mainframe platform and a lot fewer architectures.[07:58:08] <_Lewellyn> DesiJat: regardless, there'd be little profit to be made from spending > 50% of on-hand for sun. the investors would be foolish to allow it.[07:58:19] <DesiJat> well[07:58:22] <DesiJat> if they dont, then sad[07:58:42] <DesiJat> no real alternative[07:58:46] <_Lewellyn> investors are out to make money. buying sun wouldn't do that.[07:59:00] <DesiJat> sun exec mgmt and board have proved they are incapable of running the company[07:59:08] <DesiJat> _Lewellyn: it'd make them money in the long run[07:59:17] <Atomdrache> Of course, let's also remember this: There are zero sources on this except the Wall Street Journal and some people they won't name.[07:59:19] <_Lewellyn> things aren't looking too hot for ibm right now, and getting rid of a huge chunk of on-hand for a questionable purchase would be a tough sell.[07:59:35] <DesiJat> ibm is still profitable[07:59:39] <DesiJat> quarter to quarter[07:59:40] <_Lewellyn> DesiJat: investors don't care about the long run, even with ibm. especially right now.[07:59:59] <Atomdrache> _Lewellyn: Sun ain't profitable to IBM, but their former customers would be.[08:00:07] <_Lewellyn> the only consolidations i can really foresee are ones which are obvious "fits"[08:00:14] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: unless they jump ship to hp and hpux[08:00:28] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: hpux gets at least as much love as aix[08:01:06] <Atomdrache> HP-UX and Solaris might well have more customers than there exist people who actually know what AIX is :o[08:01:20] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[08:01:32] <_Lewellyn> all the more reason to fear being "migrated" to aix[08:01:51] <Atomdrache> And, to be fair, sometimes a company dumps an in-house product line for something they bought.[08:02:02] <_Lewellyn> i don't see them dropping aix[08:02:04] <Atomdrache> HP killed their x86 server line and replaced it with Compaq's Proliant line, for example.[08:02:18] <_Lewellyn> well, proliant had a better name and more deployment[08:02:18] <Atomdrache> But...yeah, they have a lot invested in AIX.[08:02:32] *** div8 has joined #opensolaris[08:02:37] <Atomdrache> And the System/P is a strong platform.[08:02:37] <_Lewellyn> and hp/compaq isn't a good example of a merger ;)[08:02:52] <mib_zlsfkb> Hi[08:02:52] <Atomdrache> I think McNealy likened it to two garbage trucks colliding.[08:03:04] <mib_zlsfkb> where display setting file is located in opensolaris?[08:03:20] *** cypromis has quit IRC[08:03:20] <mib_zlsfkb> like xorg.conf file in linux[08:03:23] <DesiJat> hp/compaq is doin a hell of a lot better than Sun[08:03:27] <_Lewellyn> mib_zlsfkb: it's Xorg.conf[08:03:30] <e^ipi> mib_zlsfkb: xorg.conf[08:03:30] <DesiJat> so mcnealy cant really say jack[08:03:48] <_Lewellyn> you have to generate it, though. it autoconfigures like you'd expect a modern operating system to ;)[08:03:56] <DesiJat> anyways. this is gonna get me bitter :/[08:04:01] <DesiJat> <-- ex-sun employee[08:04:17] <Atomdrache> The analogy would be less apt if Compaq had not, at the time, still been suffering indigestion from buying DEC.[08:04:40] *** e-jat has quit IRC[08:04:42] <Atomdrache> DEC. Now there's a messy death.[08:05:00] <_Lewellyn> oh hey. i'm looking at the hpux change logs. it's a very viable migration from solaris, in comparison to aix.[08:06:09] <Atomdrache> Be funny if it backfired like that on IBM.[08:07:31] *** Vonoff has quit IRC[08:07:55] <_Lewellyn> virtual vaults are nice. unified file cache, nfsv4, clusterfs, vxfs, virtualization... looks nice stacked against aix.[08:08:03] <e^ipi> dec was kinna sad... going from being /the/ face of enterprise computing to being killed by the company that bought the company that bought you, a printer ink manufacturer[08:08:09] <_Lewellyn> i kinda miss the days of having a stable of UNIXes to admin :P[08:08:29] <Atomdrache> A lot of nice things have died by the whims of point-haired bosses.[08:08:56] <Tempt> "Why can't we have nice things anymore?"[08:09:11] <Atomdrache> pointy**[08:09:22] *** Vonor has joined #opensolaris[08:09:25] <e^ipi> if unix disappears, i think i'll open a cafe[08:10:16] <Atomdrache> I think I'll turn into a bearded nutjob OpenVMS user and angrily hand over money every so often to maintain my hobbyist license.[08:10:23] <Atomdrache> Which reminds me. I need to renew my hobbyist license.[08:10:24] <_Lewellyn> minix will never die. unless plan 9 from outer space... er bell labs... succeeds[08:11:02] *** ken-h has quit IRC[08:11:04] <_Lewellyn> Atomdrache: can you get a new hobbyist license these days? mine's lapsed and i don't think they let you renew 5 years late :P[08:11:06] <darth4> is there a way to load of individual cpu's in solaris?[08:11:11] *** lesterc__ has quit IRC[08:11:29] <Atomdrache> I got one a couple years ago. It ran out recently, but, when I went to renew it, the server was down.[08:11:40] <_Lewellyn> :P[08:11:56] <_Lewellyn> oh hey you can![08:12:05] <Atomdrache> Ironic that, to get hold of an OS that forms awesome fault-tolerant clusters, I have to wait on a rickety webserver.[08:12:07] <_Lewellyn> and there's an emulator now![08:12:24] <Atomdrache> Aye. Charon-VAX and something for Alpha (SIMH, I think).[08:12:40] <Atomdrache> Personally, I prefer having actual VAX and Alpha hardware. It just has such personality![08:12:55] <e^ipi> curiously the emulator is slower than the original machines even on computers that are 1000 times faster[08:12:56] <_Lewellyn> oh i'm not in a vms user group :P[08:12:56] <Atomdrache> Pull it out of a dusty garage, fix it up, install, enjoy.[08:13:09] * lblume is now convinced the space-time breach brought him back further back in time than he thought.[08:13:12] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: you can join one[08:13:35] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: yeah. along with all the others i ought to join[08:13:37] <Atomdrache> (seriously, my first VMS machine was a beat-up Alphaserver 2100 that came from some dude's garage. I blew out the sawdust, screwed a hard drive to the inside of a filler panel in the void where the RAID shelves used to be, and installed VMS on the thing.)[08:13:44] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[08:13:45] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: you don't have to do anything[08:13:56] <Tempt> e^ipi: If you open a cafe here, I'll go you halves ;-)[08:14:01] <e^ipi> you fill out a form, and the set up a mail filter to trashbin every mailing you get from there[08:14:07] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i have to sign up ;)[08:14:09] <e^ipi> Tempt: nice[08:14:39] <Tempt> actually[08:14:40] <_Lewellyn> and i want to open a cafe. i know right where to open it. one of the most impoverished locales in the united states :D[08:14:44] <Tempt> wanna just do that anyway?[08:14:58] <e^ipi> open a cafe in melbourne?[08:15:03] <Tempt> Yep.[08:15:05] *** free has quit IRC[08:15:06] <e^ipi> hmm[08:15:08] <e^ipi> maybe[08:15:14] *** free has joined #opensolaris[08:15:18] <Tempt> Eyeball the city while you're in .au for KCA[08:15:27] <Tempt> How long are you going to stay?[08:15:33] <e^ipi> 2wk AFAIK[08:15:48] <Tempt> You're welcome to couchsurf here for a while.[08:16:28] <e^ipi> thx[08:16:44] <Tempt> might as well tack another week on[08:16:48] <Tempt> see more sights[08:17:01] <Tempt> since you can probably get from accom most places[08:18:18] <e^ipi> i should probably start looking in to visas[08:19:19] <Tempt> I don't think you need a Visa for under three months[08:19:53] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[08:21:48] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:23:02] *** d6g is now known as d6g|away[08:23:29] <e^ipi> looks like i still need to apply for a visa, but i can do it online, and it's streamlined[08:24:33] <e^ipi> or i can get the airline to do it for me[08:27:38] <Atomdrache> Hmm.[08:27:50] <Atomdrache> I wonder what a misbehaving UPA graphics card could to to an Ultra or Sunblade.[08:27:58] <Atomdrache> Suppose it occasionally did something gross on the UPA bus.[08:28:00] <Atomdrache> What might that do?[08:30:17] <trochej> Coffee[08:30:48] <Atomdrache> I picture an old XVR-1000 occasionally shouting "WHARRGARBLFFNFDFUF" when the CPUs are trying to concentrate.[08:32:46] <_Lewellyn> i imagine the bus saying "SHUT UP OR GET OFF"[08:33:10] <Atomdrache> I should hope that's what it'd do, but I'm not sure it is.[08:40:30] *** lesterc has quit IRC[08:43:49] *** darth4 has quit IRC[08:45:11] <Atomdrache> Hmm. Looks like a system going on the fritz and printing out RED state exceptions in a loop can be caused by ugly firmware settings for L2 SRAM. Documented problem with V480, V440. I wonder if this was a problem for the Sunblade systems.[08:45:50] *** mib_zlsfkb has quit IRC[08:50:32] *** llragsll has joined #opensolaris[08:51:06] <llragsll> how to use nis netgroup for user authentication??more specifically in the pam conf[08:51:25] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:51:29] <llragsll> I have to implement this for telnetd[08:51:39] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:54:52] *** Gekz has quit IRC[09:05:54] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[09:08:55] *** llragsll has quit IRC[09:10:04] *** fftb has quit IRC[09:13:03] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[09:16:12] *** ricardo-vlh has joined #opensolaris[09:17:40] *** niq has quit IRC[09:19:02] *** rno has joined #opensolaris[09:19:11] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:19:15] *** rno has quit IRC[09:25:39] <devians> _Lewellyn, was it you i was talking to about rtorrent a while back?[09:26:23] <_Lewellyn> possibly[09:32:04] <devians> yep grepping the logs confirms :P[09:32:32] <devians> i was wondering what you had to go through to compile rtorrent for os. im familiar with the linux process, im just not sure how os differs.[09:32:41] <devians> was wondering if you had any pointers :)[09:32:56] <devians> (im looking at compiling a more recent version than the one you provided)[09:32:59] <_Lewellyn> i just built from SFE :)[09:37:51] <devians> ah k. how would i get started with sfe? i dont see anything that looks appropriate in pkg search.[09:39:08] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[09:39:20] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[09:39:31] <devians> actually, reading further on the matter, sfe means i have to rely on someone having a spec file for the version of rtorrent i wish to compile in the repository?[09:39:46] <deena> Hi Is there no vlc or mplayer in opensolaris?[09:45:00] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[09:45:08] <trochej> deena: http://www.blastwave.com or http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/[09:45:21] <_setuid_H> Morning guys[09:45:30] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[09:46:24] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:48:46] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi[09:50:01] *** rno has joined #opensolaris[09:53:51] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[09:55:23] *** deena has left #opensolaris[09:57:43] <trochej> Mornin[09:57:46] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:58:47] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[10:01:40] *** joanmarie has joined #opensolaris[10:04:19] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:04:48] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[10:07:01] <DTEIT> morning[10:07:04] *** ken1 is now known as ken-w[10:11:25] <_Lewellyn> devians: yes.[10:11:42] <_Lewellyn> tomww has an sfe-bootstrap script. it may prove useful to google it :)[10:12:00] <_Lewellyn> then modify the rtorrent spec :)[10:12:53] <_setuid_H> have you heard some suggestions about moving repositories to genunix :-). to avoid "possible" ibm clouds and shutting down servers (if ...) :-D[10:14:07] *** ken has quit IRC[10:14:25] <_Lewellyn> _setuid_H: seriously, the odds of it happening are slim since it's all speculation from a single wsj blurb[10:14:41] <_Lewellyn> and the wsj isn't the great reporting it once was[10:16:21] <seanmcg> genunix (with the onnv code atleast) is typically only about 10 minutes behind the o.o code repo, no need to move..[10:16:29] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[10:22:07] *** Guest26452 has joined #opensolaris[10:22:40] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[10:35:13] *** Freix has joined #opensolaris[10:38:56] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:42:03] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[10:43:28] *** f1assistance has joined #opensolaris[10:50:21] *** thunderbyte has quit IRC[10:51:43] *** syd` has quit IRC[10:58:05] *** qiyong has quit IRC[10:59:04] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[11:01:21] <devians> _Lewellyn googling tomww and sfe-bootstrap just gives some twitter posts? :([11:02:22] *** dunc has quit IRC[11:02:42] *** servo- has quit IRC[11:03:01] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[11:04:12] <trochej> Coffee[11:06:43] <asyd> /s 13[11:06:45] <asyd> raaa[11:06:53] *** crink has left #opensolaris[11:07:10] <_Lewellyn> devians: http://www.google.com/search?q=sfe-bootstrap[11:07:36] *** f1assistance has left #opensolaris[11:16:47] <sickness> http://media.fukung.net/images/426/31337-munich-police.jpg[11:20:25] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[11:20:32] <asyd> huhu[11:24:34] <tomww> _Lewellyn: exactly bootstrap-sfe-latest and read the remail thread with some instructions. at the moment it works on SXCE and i a few days I think I'll have a version which works on OS200[89].nn and installs the dependencies by pkg[11:24:36] <qiyong> how do i start x?[11:25:15] <_Lewellyn> tomww: sweet[11:25:24] <_Lewellyn> tomww: wasn't meaning to highlight you btw :D[11:26:04] <tomww> devians: the twitter posts should contain a http://tinyurl.com/bootstra-sfe-latest which gives the script but not the email-thread with some instructions[11:31:29] <_Lewellyn> tomww: you should package it in a tarball :)[11:33:06] *** Dorfo1 has joined #opensolaris[11:33:19] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[11:33:40] <_setuid_H> seanmcg: ok so we're fine in any case ;-)[11:35:02] <Dorfo1> Hi there, i have installed Opensolaris (current), but i'm still having problems with dns and such. Tried copying the /etc/nsswitch.dns to /etc/nsswitch.conf, edited /etc/resolv.conf all seems ok. But i can't use ping -s and i can't even navigate.[11:35:09] <tomww> _Lewellyn: the whole bunch of binaries?[11:35:13] <Dorfo1> Some help needed[11:35:32] <tomww> _Lewellyn: I would prefer to only provide the script itself...[11:35:41] <_Lewellyn> tomww: i mean the script and instructions :)[11:36:22] <tomww> _Lewellyn: perfect. yes. just thought with my lines about the tinyurl that a link or such to the email-trhead or a wiki page would be the rigth thing[11:37:38] <Dorfo1> can anyone here help me to solve this issue?[11:40:16] <_Lewellyn> tomww: people don't read unless they have a text file ;)[11:40:51] *** qiyong has quit IRC[11:41:07] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[11:42:38] *** ^zod^ has joined #opensolaris[11:42:59] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[11:43:31] <^zod^> Morning gents , could I ask a relatively straightforwd question on re-installing grub[11:43:54] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[11:43:59] <zaarg> just ask...[11:44:06] *** Dar has quit IRC[11:45:02] <^zod^> great, I've been having trouble booting into OS 8/11 and I've finally got into the system and would like to re-install grub[11:45:55] <^zod^> OS is the only system I have and there are no partitions and it takes up the whole drive[11:46:05] *** lblume has quit IRC[11:46:47] <_Lewellyn> ^zod^: why does this entail reinstalling grub?[11:47:01] <_Lewellyn> Dorfo1: does your interface have an ip address?[11:47:12] <_Lewellyn> do you have a default route?[11:47:18] <_Lewellyn> can you ping the default router by ip?[11:47:27] <_Lewellyn> do you have name servers defined?[11:47:38] <_Lewellyn> can you traceroute to an ip across the internet?[11:47:42] <^zod^> I could not boot the system from the usual grub screen. But when I put in the liveCD and then booted from the "BOOT FROM HARD DRIVE" option then i booted into the system normally[11:47:51] *** linma has quit IRC[11:48:05] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[11:48:10] *** wewek has quit IRC[11:48:21] <Dorfo1> _Lewellyn: yeah it does, i have set it to network/physical:default[11:48:37] <Dorfo1> and set the ip netmask my gw, my nameservers...[11:48:46] <Dorfo1> i have googled alot, and still haven[11:48:53] <_Lewellyn> Dorfo1: you have what set to network/physical:default?[11:48:53] <Dorfo1> haven't found a solution[11:49:29] <_Lewellyn> ^zod^: someone here is bound to have an answer if you sit tight ;)[11:49:44] <_Lewellyn> ^zod^: all i have handy are sparc machines, so no grub :)[11:49:47] <Dorfo1> my ip address and netmask, default route etc...[11:49:58] <_Lewellyn> Dorfo1: i'm not following?[11:50:08] <Dorfo1> ?[11:50:26] <_Lewellyn> does ifconfig show your ip?[11:50:33] <_Lewellyn> does netstat -nr show your default route?[11:50:38] <Dorfo1> yeah[11:50:51] <asyd> is your interface UP?[11:50:54] <asyd> and RUNNING?[11:50:57] <Dorfo1> i cant ping my local_lan address[11:51:04] <Dorfo1> yeah, i think so[11:51:09] <_Lewellyn> Dorfo1: are you using nwam?[11:51:09] <asyd> well, check[11:51:19] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[11:51:44] <^zod^> Thanks ! :-) I've tried this : installgrub /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/c3d0 { cannot open stat/device /dev/dsk/c0d0s2 }[11:52:05] <Dorfo1> _Lewellyn: nope[11:52:15] <_Lewellyn> Dorfo1: why not?[11:52:41] <^zod^> and installgrub /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/c3d0 { device must be root slice }[11:53:07] <Dorfo1> _Lewellyn: sorry to ask, as i am newbie for opensolaris, let me guess... if i am wrong please correct me. nwan isnt for automatic configuration?[11:53:20] <_Lewellyn> yes, it is[11:53:29] <Dorfo1> i am using static ip[11:53:44] *** niq has quit IRC[11:53:52] <Dorfo1> i have a sun ultra1 as my home router, and where i use other services too[11:54:09] <_Lewellyn> and you have your local machine's name set to your ip in /etc/hosts?[11:54:32] <_Lewellyn> and your interface is UP and RUNNING as asyd asked?[11:54:34] <Dorfo1> it only has my looback devices listed[11:54:38] <Dorfo1> yeah[11:54:53] <_Lewellyn> then add your ip with your hostname to /etc/hosts[11:54:56] <Dorfo1> when i do ifconfig -a it shows all the flags <UP, .... etc...[11:55:07] <asyd> and don't youave a DUPLICATED or sth like that? ;p[11:55:19] <asyd> solaris doesn't like at all when you assign an ip which is already used[11:55:39] <Dorfo1> like 192.x.x.x hostname.localhost etc[11:55:46] <Dorfo1> asyd: nope mate eheheh[11:56:08] <Dorfo1> all assignments (ip addresses) are ok[11:56:11] *** Freix has left #opensolaris[11:56:16] <_Lewellyn> no. like: 172.16.43.23 myhostname myhostname.mydomain[11:56:47] <_Lewellyn> and someone mentioned that you should use nwam even for a static ip[11:57:02] <_Lewellyn> vi /etc/nwam/llp[11:57:03] <Dorfo1> i dunno how to do that[11:57:10] <Dorfo1> hmmm[11:57:19] <_Lewellyn> change the dhcp to read: static 172.16.43.23[11:57:22] <_Lewellyn> or whatever your ip is[11:57:22] <Dorfo1> ok let me take note.[11:57:30] <Dorfo1> ok[11:57:37] <Dorfo1> i will try these[11:57:38] <_Lewellyn> nwam is the way of the future ;)[11:58:03] <_Lewellyn> svcadm enable network/physical:nwam[11:58:06] <_Lewellyn> don't forget that ;)[11:58:08] <Dorfo1> 192.168.0.8 hostname.domain domainname[11:58:19] <Dorfo1> _Lewellyn: thx hehehe[11:58:20] <_Lewellyn> i like doing the unqualified name first. :)[11:58:28] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: some versions are unusable when you're not using gnome[11:58:37] <_Lewellyn> _setuid_H: oh?[11:58:47] <_Lewellyn> would that be why my wifi doesn't connect until i start gnome?[11:58:54] <Dorfo1> really appreciate that, cuz i am new to opensolaris stuff[11:59:13] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: I mean nwam[11:59:13] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[11:59:16] <Dorfo1> and this channel ppl are interested to help.... different of some other channels over here[11:59:21] <Dorfo1> dev-based channels etc...[11:59:27] *** luc^ has quit IRC[11:59:30] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: I'm often using cde and dladm is totally unusable when using nwam[11:59:35] <_Lewellyn> Dorfo1: there's lots of audience overlap here :)[11:59:41] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: I rather always switch to physical:default[11:59:44] <_Lewellyn> _setuid_H: you're using cde on what?[11:59:50] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: sxce[12:00:03] <_Lewellyn> i thought it was no longer operative in current builds?[12:00:27] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: it is present, but it's not in cde-login, just edit /usr/dt/config/C/Xresources[12:00:45] <_Lewellyn> _setuid_H: alanc is on an anti-cde crusade tho :P[12:01:17] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: I like it for it's speed and I just like old stable things :-) and not things full of pictures[12:01:23] <^zod^> TBH guys I think cde gives Solaris its own unique look[12:01:31] *** sejo is now known as masterhumper[12:01:35] *** masterhumper is now known as sejo[12:01:41] <^zod^> gnome or jde/s make it look like another linux[12:01:43] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i wish wmx were a choice for solaris. even cde is overkill for me ;)[12:01:46] <_setuid_H> ^zod^: and what about irix hp-ux, aix[12:01:51] <_setuid_H> they're using cde too[12:01:59] <_Lewellyn> and win 3.1 was inspired by cde :)[12:02:04] <_setuid_H> even still as the default (maybe only one supported)[12:02:28] <_Lewellyn> i dunno what's currently default on aix and hpux... i should find out :D[12:02:38] <^zod^> I last used Soalris about 10 yrs ago and recently just got into Open solaris, was a pit peeved that ity is looking just like anbother linux[12:02:44] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: I know, I'm AIX IT Specialist[12:02:45] <_setuid_H> :-)[12:03:12] <Dorfo1> _Lewellyn: i will spend some time reading opensolaris man pages ehehe[12:03:13] <^zod^> I quite like open windows ![12:03:27] <_setuid_H> I like twm too :-)[12:03:31] <_Lewellyn> _setuid_H: so what's current in aix 6 as the window environment? :)[12:03:38] <^zod^> :-)[12:03:39] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: cde[12:03:43] <_Lewellyn> ^zod^: olwm is quite defunct :P[12:03:45] <chrisg> forgetmenot[12:03:48] <chrisg> er[12:03:50] <_Lewellyn> i don't think it'll even run anymore[12:03:51] <chrisg> <3 paste[12:03:56] <_Lewellyn> we know chrisg's password :D[12:04:01] <chrisg> yes[12:04:06] <chrisg> that is my main root password for this box[12:04:08] <_setuid_H> _Lewellyn: but you can use kde or gnome[12:04:10] <chrisg> OH SHIII[12:04:15] <_setuid_H> it's between LPPs[12:04:22] * _Lewellyn watches reality dawn on chrisg[12:04:30] <_Lewellyn> this channel is logged :)[12:04:39] <^zod^> I would like to try to install fluxbox on OPS HAS ANYONE TRIED IT ?[12:04:58] <_Lewellyn> ^zod^: there's people who run *box on opensolaris[12:05:30] <^zod^> greta. My machine is a 2.4Ghz with only 512 Ram so Gnome is dragging it down[12:05:57] <_Lewellyn> i bet zfs drags it down more[12:06:05] <tsoome> better get memory[12:06:18] <^zod^> absolutely, at first I thought it was a swap allocation problem[12:06:19] <tsoome> _Lewellyn: not neccessarily[12:06:57] <^zod^> it takes about 20secs to launch an xterm from a seprate Gnome terminal[12:07:36] <tsoome> ill bet your vm is in red and purning all cpu cycles to find free memory pages....[12:07:36] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: not necessarily, but i can't imagine X + ZFS performing well in 512MB. in fact, i know how it performs with a lightweight window manager in S10U6 :P[12:08:23] <seanmcg> ^zod^, what version of opensolaris you have ? Theres an old (and now fixed) bug where some X apps were very slow to start[12:08:37] <^zod^> 08-11[12:08:47] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[12:08:48] <tsoome> well. set reasonable size for L1 arc, use L2 arc and zil log and im pretty sure it can handle stuff pretty well[12:08:54] <^zod^> a build I downloaded last week[12:09:43] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[12:10:09] <^zod^> screen refreshes when switching from one workspace to another are very slow as well[12:11:20] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[12:11:37] <^zod^> Solaris 10 was fine but it had no drivers for my onboard nic so I had no choice but to install opensolaris.[12:12:31] <seanmcg> 08-11 is rather old, its about 8 builds behind now. But its still supported (if you wanna pay :)[12:12:34] <tsoome> zod *dont* use gnome with 512MB:D[12:12:54] <seanmcg> use twm instead :)[12:14:17] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[12:14:35] <^zod^> can you guys recommend any good sites to d/l some lightweight wms ?[12:14:56] <tsoome> they really should remove 2GHz and 3-4GB of ram from gnome developers[12:15:00] <seanmcg> opensolaris ships with twm[12:15:06] <seanmcg> (I think)[12:15:23] <^zod^> can you run it from failesafe terminal ?[12:15:41] <seanmcg> yup, its what I use when using a sunray.[12:16:11] <^zod^> or even put it as an option in your gdm login ? ( ... /xsession file ?)[12:16:12] <seanmcg> /usr/X11/bin/twm[12:16:16] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[12:16:42] <seanmcg> sure, you'd want to google that, to have twm (or any other wm) as an option for gdm[12:17:12] <tsoome> also you may wanna avoid mozilla/firefox and so on......[12:17:32] <tsoome> altho, if you will strip all that, there is little left really....[12:18:11] <^zod^> basically the only gui application i do use is FF[12:18:39] <^zod^> or maybe the pdf viewers[12:20:13] <^zod^> tsoome, networking should not be a problem though ?[12:20:47] <seanmcg> FF and any gtk based app can start other gnome processes..[12:21:10] <seanmcg> ^zod^, theres also Adobe Acrobat reader (released yesterday) for reading pdf !-)[12:21:15] <seanmcg> on x86[12:22:05] <_Lewellyn> ^zod^: you may want to look into opera for a firefox replacement :)[12:22:15] <_Lewellyn> it's saner about low-memory conditions[12:23:46] <^zod^> good stuff, is Adobe Acrobat more resource intensive than xpdf ?[12:24:37] <seanmcg> .. probably :}[12:24:45] *** servo-- has joined #opensolaris[12:25:43] <Dorfo1> _Lewellyn: what about XFCE in opensolaris?[12:26:01] <_Lewellyn> Dorfo1: dunno. i think someone said he runs it[12:26:31] <_Lewellyn> i've compiled wmx for giggles. but i'm trying hard to use gnome as much as possible and not revert to old habits and run wmx ;)[12:27:17] *** servo-- has quit IRC[12:29:41] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[12:30:51] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[12:31:04] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[12:31:10] <Dorfo1> eheheh _Lewellyn, i have been using Xfce for a long time[12:31:22] <Dorfo1> last time a used gnome was at least 6 7 years ago[12:31:50] <Dorfo1> i have to tweak mine... i installed my opensolaris over a hp2133[12:31:54] <_Lewellyn> i've never been much of a gnome fan. but the new gnome is less repulsive than i remembered :D[12:32:05] <Dorfo1> yeah it really is[12:33:09] <Dorfo1> another question... do you know more info about IBM acquiring Sun?[12:33:50] <_Lewellyn> the only info is the blurb in the often-unreliable-for-rumors wsj[12:34:01] <_Lewellyn> everything else is speculation based upon that[12:34:02] *** taltamir has quit IRC[12:34:11] *** servo- has quit IRC[12:35:54] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[12:36:21] <^zod^> Have you guys ever installed software from "Blastware" ? Recommended ?[12:36:36] <^zod^> sorry 2Blastwave"[12:36:46] <Okona> what would you recommend as board/cpu combination for a home storage server?[12:37:00] <_Lewellyn> ^zod^: i prefer SFE ;)[12:37:05] <_Lewellyn> google sfe-bootstrap[12:37:12] <_Lewellyn> tomww has a mailing list post on what to do[12:39:35] <^zod^> solaris freeware ?[12:39:50] <_Lewellyn> spec-files-extra[12:40:21] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[12:42:01] *** luc^ has quit IRC[12:43:40] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:46:01] *** ejat has quit IRC[12:46:01] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:46:57] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[12:47:19] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:47:28] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[12:51:23] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[12:51:47] <Dorfo1> this MilaX 'flavor' is good?[12:52:21] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[12:53:02] *** wbkang has quit IRC[12:53:41] <^zod^> cheers guys, I'm off to try to install fluxbox on my OS ![12:53:49] <^zod^> take it easy ![12:54:00] <^zod^> exit[12:54:03] *** ^zod^ has left #opensolaris[12:54:21] *** MiraOsladil has joined #opensolaris[12:55:06] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[12:59:30] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[13:02:56] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[13:04:10] *** pcgod has left #opensolaris[13:09:15] *** MiraOsladil has left #opensolaris[13:11:14] *** taltamir has quit IRC[13:14:05] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris[13:16:28] *** calum_ has quit IRC[13:18:50] *** e1kg has quit IRC[13:19:07] <Dorfo1> _Lewellyn: do you know any tips for reducing boot time?[13:20:25] <_Lewellyn> don't reboot :D[13:20:41] <_Lewellyn> that and disable the services you're 150% positive you don't need[13:21:19] *** calumb has quit IRC[13:21:28] <Dorfo1> yeah ehehe i am doing that... name-service-cache isnt needed is it? (of course based on other OSes)[13:22:08] *** axisys has quit IRC[13:22:35] <tsoome> well.... since you are asking this kind of questions..... i would hand over root password asap[13:23:21] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[13:24:17] <Dorfo1> tsoome: ahahha[13:24:19] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[13:24:26] <Dorfo1> just asking[13:24:45] <tsoome> thats nice ofc;)[13:24:52] <digifor> Does there appear to be something wrong with this xorg.conf file? http://blogs.sun.com/oslab/entry/patched_intel_video_drivers_for[13:25:41] *** ericjray has quit IRC[13:26:00] <digifor> I have installed on an acer aspire one also[13:26:08] <tsoome> btw, depending on your system, disabling nscd may not hit you that hard, true.[13:26:41] <Dorfo1> :][13:26:54] <tsoome> but since you seem to be worried about boot speed, it's obvious your system cant be that good anyhow...[13:27:08] <_Lewellyn> digifor: isn't that automagic these days?[13:27:15] <_Lewellyn> that's an old post :P[13:27:30] <cidco> question: If I have a fileserver with zfs and my motherboard dies is there anyway i acn moe it to another computer without losing everything ?[13:27:33] <digifor> It worked with osol2008.11 but when I pkg image-update to 109 it isn't working[13:27:59] <tsoome> cidco: attach disks and import pools[13:28:03] <_Lewellyn> digifor: go back to 106[13:28:03] <Dorfo1> brb[13:28:08] *** Dorfo1 has left #opensolaris[13:28:24] <_Lewellyn> 107 brought in a new xorg and intel drivers are broken at least through 109[13:28:27] <digifor> It is an option[13:28:35] <cidco> tsoome so it doesnt matter what i move them to as long as i have all the disks?[13:28:42] <tsoome> yes[13:29:03] *** qiyong has quit IRC[13:29:17] <cidco> tsoome nice, fortunately I havent had this happen , im just trying to make sure i have a made a good choice to go with ZFS[13:29:33] <tsoome> you may need to use cd/dvd/netboot first to import rpool, tho[13:29:57] <digifor> maybe I just need to wait for IPS 110: http://blogs.sun.com/oslab/entry/netbook_testing_with_opensolaris_sxce[13:30:11] <tsoome> you may wanna play with it at first on test system, to make sure you understand all the possible issues[13:30:39] <cidco> yes, i have it on avm at the moment[13:30:55] <cidco> i have just been going through the demo, but it didnt have anything about importing the pools[13:31:20] <cidco> so, how does it know what drives all need to be imported or are part of the array?[13:31:40] <cidco> If I move it to a new machine or controler there is a good chance the drive names would change.[13:31:40] <tsoome> it will scan tham and found out[13:31:44] *** inaddy has quit IRC[13:31:48] <tsoome> quite like vxvm will do[13:32:01] <cidco> damn, thats awesome[13:32:21] <_Lewellyn> digifor: i haven't installed 110 yet, so i can't say how well it works[13:32:50] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[13:34:18] <digifor> Dave Clack in the link I sent is testing netbooks like AA1 for Sun oem.[13:34:25] <digifor> so it looks promising.[13:35:16] <_Lewellyn> digifor: that post was very unedifying[13:35:26] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[13:35:31] <_Lewellyn> and the sdcard stuff's being updated in a couple builds, iirc[13:35:43] *** edgeoc has quit IRC[13:36:09] <tsoome> my Quadro FX 500/600 PCI is still broken in 110:([13:36:51] <_Lewellyn> i'm really going to be sadpanda if 110 still has broken intel for me :P[13:36:53] <niq> that's what patches are for ;)[13:37:27] <_Lewellyn> niq: you have patches to make intel work fine that aren't in official builds? ;)[13:37:45] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[13:37:50] <niq> nope.[13:38:04] <digifor> _Lewellyn, using IPS or SXCE?[13:38:26] <_Lewellyn> sxce[13:38:33] *** niq has quit IRC[13:38:38] <_Lewellyn> i can't install 110 till i figure out zdb better :P[13:38:53] *** bojicas has joined #opensolaris[13:40:30] <tsoome> zdb?[13:40:40] <_Lewellyn> zfs debugger[13:40:46] <tsoome> i know what it is:P[13:41:04] <_Lewellyn> i borked my filesystem and i'd really like to retrieve a couple files i didn't have backed up :P[13:41:13] <tsoome> ah ok:D[13:41:16] <_Lewellyn> not vital, but a convenience[13:41:16] <codestr0m> http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2009/03/ibm-buys-sun.html[13:42:57] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: we all can rest fairly assured it's not happening :P[13:43:19] <tsoome> i cant get all the fuzz about zfs-linux. really.[13:43:27] <bda> codestr0m: That's all pretty ridiculous.[13:43:38] <codestr0m> bda: which part? ;)[13:43:56] <bda> Also, I am not overpaid, thanks.[13:44:11] <holcomb> i am. but i'm also overqualified[13:44:12] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: especially since they could link it in as a binary module if it was their own linux distro, no? ;)[13:44:31] <codestr0m> bda: hahaha.. why take this personal?[13:44:33] <tsoome> well, the code is there, build it.[13:45:09] <bda> I'm not. But you're making it personal. That was a character attack.[13:45:22] * bda will let e^ipi deal with the rest if he cares to.[13:45:22] <tsoome> overpayd sun employees?:D[13:45:34] <bda> I have a maint window tonight, for which I am apparently being overpaid.[13:45:36] * bda bed &[13:45:36] <codestr0m> bda: against who? I didn't put your name or paste the link for *you*[13:46:33] <tsoome> well. i see our linux admins pushing linux in every thinkable and unthinkable place, bashing every other solution. making sure they are in pay lists, because noone else can manage their setups...[13:47:03] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: i've been tempted to build a zfs-enabled kernel. afaict, there's nothing wrong with it :)[13:47:07] <_Lewellyn> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/14/63[13:47:15] *** tough has quit IRC[13:47:25] <_Lewellyn> oh. wrong link. sec[13:47:42] <tsoome> tbh, microsoft and windows admins are angels compared to those guys....[13:48:17] *** d6g|away is now known as d6g[13:48:34] <_Lewellyn> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/14/218[13:48:36] <_Lewellyn> there we go :)[13:48:49] *** rayel74 has joined #opensolaris[13:49:41] <_Lewellyn> But if the module was written for other systems, and just ported to Linux, and not using our code, then it's very much debatable whether it's actually a "derived work". Interfaces don't make "derived works" per se.[13:50:06] <_Lewellyn> so linus is ok with binary modules that are interoperable, is my reading of that and the prior paragraph[13:50:34] <_Lewellyn> not necessarily HAPPY about them, but accepts their place[13:50:53] <tsoome> he cant avoid them[13:50:54] <_Lewellyn> and afaict, the CDDL doesn't prohibit doing that[13:51:04] <tsoome> or linux is dead in weeks[13:51:19] <tsoome> at corporate level i mean[13:51:30] <_Lewellyn> he provides APIs. by closing the APIs, linux would be worse than microsoft's OSes ever were[13:51:49] <tsoome> it is already btw[13:51:57] <_Lewellyn> i know :P[13:52:12] <digifor> How do I setup gprs on my phone. In linux I use this wvdial.conf: http://www.pastebin.ca/1371587[13:52:22] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: feel like helping me get zfs to build as a linux kernel module? :)[13:52:31] <tsoome> cant[13:52:35] <tsoome> i dont use linux[13:52:41] <_Lewellyn> i'm already gonna be unpopular when i release my linux distro[13:52:45] <digifor> There is no wvidal so I need to set something like this: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/wwan/[13:52:49] <_Lewellyn> may as well go all the way[13:53:17] <_Lewellyn> i'm still debating whether to include bash. i may just to toss a bone.[13:53:59] <cidco> Can someone tell me how to add color to my terminal?[13:54:22] <_Lewellyn> define color and terminal[13:54:23] <cidco> I am setting up irssi and there is no color.[13:54:35] <_Lewellyn> run it under screen[13:54:36] <codestr0m> cidco: set TERM=xterm-color[13:55:03] <cidco> codestr0m that should go in my bashrc?[13:55:23] <codestr0m> cidco: test it first.. that's mostly a guess and 2nd listen to _Lewellyn[13:55:36] <_Lewellyn> irssi makes some terrible choices about terminals[13:55:47] <cidco> _Lewellyn so if run screen first?[13:55:50] <_Lewellyn> yes[13:55:51] <cidco> it will have color?[13:56:01] <_Lewellyn> provided you have a color-supporting terminal[13:56:45] <cidco> k, installing screen now[13:56:47] <_Lewellyn> don't set xterm-color unless you understand what it really does[13:57:26] <cidco> ok[13:57:28] <_Lewellyn> nor xtermc, which is something lots of solaris admins like to say to use[13:57:47] <cidco> hmm, is screen not a package?[13:57:56] <_Lewellyn> and linuxland is unsupporting xterm-xfree86 :([13:58:56] *** dguitar has joined #opensolaris[13:59:00] <cidco> so i hae to build screen ?[13:59:42] <_Lewellyn> i don't recall right now if it's included, and i don't have ready access to an opensolaris install[13:59:57] <_Lewellyn> you could also try running under dtterm instead of xterm/Terminal/Terminator[14:01:02] <cidco> so what are the disadvantages of set TERM=xterm-color[14:01:22] <tsoome> is your termina colour enabled xterm?:P[14:01:26] <_Lewellyn> it's inefficient[14:01:32] <_Lewellyn> it's designed for things like dtterm[14:01:40] <_Lewellyn> and other terminals which no one uses anymore[14:02:01] * _Lewellyn finds dickey's remarks on $TERM[14:02:20] <cidco> ok[14:02:29] <_Lewellyn> http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#xterm_terminfo[14:02:47] *** GNUix has quit IRC[14:03:07] <_Lewellyn> i see 2 realistic choices for irssi (since it benefits from F-keys and bce): 1) screen, or 2) run under dtterm[14:03:49] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[14:04:03] *** digifor has quit IRC[14:04:12] <_Lewellyn> at least, it benefits from f-keys if you bind them ;)[14:04:20] <cidco> _Lewellyn I think im gonna jsut install screen , since irssi likes it anyway, and then i dont have to mess with my term :)[14:04:41] <_Lewellyn> dtterm is nice, though :)[14:04:44] <seanmcg> cidco, screen got into build 100, so it is about.[14:04:46] <_Lewellyn> i'll be sad to see it die[14:06:03] <cidco> ok, im going to play around with gettign this working, thanks guys![14:08:10] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:09:06] <asyd> 1/s 2[14:09:43] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[14:10:17] <_Lewellyn> asyd: broke the duck?[14:14:22] <cidco> Let there be color!!![14:14:48] <cidco> works now, looks much nicer. Im surprised its not supported out of the box.[14:14:58] <tsoome> uhm, is there a workaround for multiple gfx card issue?[14:17:22] *** bojicas has quit IRC[14:21:08] <asyd> \_o<[14:21:39] *** Christian_K has joined #opensolaris[14:22:02] *** carl- has quit IRC[14:23:19] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[14:23:32] <Okona> any idea, why qt programs (respectively Virtualbox) and Java programs suddenly have hebrew input on my Opensolaris system?[14:26:46] *** Dorfo1 has joined #opensolaris[14:26:47] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[14:29:46] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[14:30:46] *** calLNCH has joined #opensolaris[14:31:05] <_Lewellyn> cidco: it's not unique to solaris. irssi doesn't "do the right thing" ;)[14:31:32] * _Lewellyn takes aim at asyd[14:32:09] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[14:34:44] *** tough has joined #opensolaris[14:34:58] <tough> Hi[14:35:21] *** Dorfo1 is now known as dorfo1[14:35:48] <tough> i have installed opensolaris... my screen resolution is now 1024x786 i want to change more than 1024..[14:36:20] <tough> can anyone say where xorg.conf will be located to change screen resolution maually?[14:37:20] <Okona> xorg.conf would be in /etc/X11 but Opensolaris autodetects, so there is none yet. Create one with Xorg -configure[14:38:13] <tough> ok thanks[14:38:31] *** fexy has joined #opensolaris[14:39:10] <Okona> i'd google for support for your graphics card. Usually xorg automatically selects the highest resolution possible (quite annoying on my old crts)[14:39:59] *** cypromis has quit IRC[14:40:40] <seanmcg> tough, or try right clik on screen background and 'change resolution'.[14:41:37] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[14:46:06] *** Dar has quit IRC[14:46:09] <tough> mine is very old configuration.. There is always problem with X window... it didnt detect correct resolution[14:48:05] <tough> when i check with change resolution it say unknown display....[14:49:47] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[14:50:23] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[14:50:33] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris[14:51:08] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[14:52:24] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris[14:52:57] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[14:53:45] *** bnitz2 has left #opensolaris[14:53:53] <lblume> Guys, must be tired: I'm trying to find the OpenSolaris constitution, but I simply can't find a link from the portal. Where is it?[14:54:28] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[14:55:01] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[14:55:23] *** imarambiocatan__ has joined #opensolaris[14:55:29] *** imarambiocatan__ has quit IRC[14:59:29] *** lblume has quit IRC[15:01:15] *** charlieS has quit IRC[15:02:12] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC[15:08:57] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[15:10:20] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[15:10:44] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[15:12:52] *** nachox has quit IRC[15:15:32] *** nyati has joined #opensolaris[15:17:27] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[15:22:22] *** tynar has joined #opensolaris[15:23:12] *** tynar has quit IRC[15:24:07] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[15:24:20] *** cypromis has quit IRC[15:24:28] *** wbkang2 has joined #opensolaris[15:26:18] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb[15:27:09] *** wbkang has quit IRC[15:27:36] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[15:29:51] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[15:29:58] *** aquanaut has quit IRC[15:30:35] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[15:31:24] *** blaxx_ has joined #opensolaris[15:32:07] <blaxx_> hi there.. can i use the opensolaris grub to boot debian on a ext3-filesystem?[15:33:52] <chrisg> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/reviews/Dual_Boot_Install_Doc_Plan/Dual-Booting-OpenSolaris-with-Ubuntu-Linux/Installing-OpenSolaris-on-New-Linux-Partition/[15:34:13] <throatwarbler> Yes you can.[15:34:24] <blaxx_> tnx[15:34:54] <blaxx_> i guess the (hd0,0)d does the trick..[15:35:03] <throatwarbler> exactly[15:35:06] <blaxx_> what does the "d" mean?[15:35:23] <throatwarbler> I presumed that was a typo.[15:35:32] <throatwarbler> root (hdx,y)[15:35:35] <throatwarbler> kernel blah[15:35:38] <throatwarbler> initrd blah[15:35:43] <throatwarbler> and you should be good to go.[15:35:49] <chrisg> indeed[15:36:20] <blaxx_> i hope it works.. i tried the same on the grub command line and it didn't work[15:36:28] *** charlieS_ has joined #opensolaris[15:37:00] <throatwarbler> I used to do it with Fedora and CentOS all the time. Now that VirtualBox is solid I don't seem to do it any more.[15:38:07] <throatwarbler> you also might want to see if Debian installed their own grub in the boot sector of the root partition. I do that as a fall back all the time (in case I make a boo boo).[15:38:16] <throatwarbler> root (hdx,y)[15:38:20] <throatwarbler> chainloader +1[15:38:27] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[15:40:01] <blaxx_> that sounds better.. for me it seems like solaris' grub cant read ext3 and debian's grub doesnt know about zfs[15:40:03] <seanmcg> blaxx_, what version of opensolaris you have ? There was an old grub bug which didn't know about some newer ext3 filesystem bits.[15:40:28] <throatwarbler> Debian's GRUB does not know about ZFS, that's true. Solaris GRUB does know about ext3 though.[15:40:28] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[15:40:36] <blaxx_> i installed it one week ago.. so it should be a very recent one[15:41:02] <seanmcg> can you recall the iso name you installed off ?[15:41:14] <blaxx_> build 2008.11[15:41:33] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[15:42:15] <seanmcg> thats old and has the grub bug :( you'll need to change the pkg to point to pkg.opensolaris.org/dev and 'pkg image-update' to get the latest opensolaris[15:42:51] <throatwarbler> which grub bug was that ?[15:45:08] <holcomb> ips 110?[15:46:04] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:47:34] *** wbkang2 has quit IRC[15:47:44] <blaxx_> what's the difference between /dev and /release?[15:48:19] <alanc> dev is updated every two weeks with the latest development builds, /release is updated every 6 months or so with each new stable release[15:48:41] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[15:49:02] <blaxx_> so it's the difference between lenny and sid[15:49:06] <blaxx_> spoken in debian terms[15:49:17] <seanmcg> throatwarbler, http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6762035[15:49:26] <lewellyn> except that debian is on the order of years :P[15:49:57] <alanc> between testing and stable I think, if I understand debian - don't pay enough attention there to know which ones lenny & sid currently are[15:50:09] <blaxx_> ok[15:50:40] <blaxx_> then i think /dev is the right one for me[15:53:03] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[15:56:30] *** Phenox_ has joined #OpenSolaris[15:58:54] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[16:02:55] *** Christian_K_ has joined #opensolaris[16:06:17] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[16:06:19] *** ken-w has quit IRC[16:11:16] *** Christian_K has quit IRC[16:12:52] *** Chiron has joined #opensolaris[16:15:08] <Chiron> hi, i am here under opensolaris 2008.11, and my problem is that the driver for my nvidia geforce 9600 GSO cant be loaded, and i cant find anything about that. i tried to download the driver from nvidia.com and then i run nvidia-xconfig and reboot, and then x-server cant start. and i cant laod the driver manualy. so, what can i do?[16:15:14] *** yarihm has quit IRC[16:15:40] <pablomh> can you see X logs ?[16:16:14] <pablomh> which nvidia driver are you trying to install from nvidia page ?[16:16:36] <Chiron> no, not a this moment, because i am using vgatext, and this is a fresh install[16:16:37] <Chiron> mom[16:16:50] <pablomh> try to install the legacy one[16:16:56] <pablomh> http://www.nvidia.com/object/solaris_display_173.14.18.html[16:17:12] <Chiron> NVIDIA-Solaris-x86-180.29.run[16:17:25] <Chiron> oh thanks, i will try[16:17:26] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[16:17:35] <pablomh> it's a known problem[16:17:50] <Chiron> but ... legacy for a "new" card?[16:18:00] <pablomh> nVidia treats that way "old graphic card" owners[16:18:09] <pablomh> new as in ...[16:18:39] <Chiron> i thought legacy is for cards like geforce 2 :/[16:18:43] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[16:19:01] <pablomh> I think everything older than ... 1.5 or 2 years is legacy for them[16:19:21] *** wbkang has quit IRC[16:19:26] <Okona> Chiron: and uninstall the NVDAgraphics package first[16:19:44] <Chiron> Okona: sure, otherweise i cant install the new one[16:21:44] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[16:24:28] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[16:24:38] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[16:24:52] <gnut> is gnome 2.26 going to make it into snv_111?[16:25:48] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[16:26:01] *** m3lling has joined #opensolaris[16:28:46] *** tosh has quit IRC[16:29:10] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[16:29:11] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[16:29:19] *** dunc has quit IRC[16:31:06] *** pauliej has quit IRC[16:32:50] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[16:33:54] *** Younger has joined #opensolaris[16:34:12] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris[16:34:42] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[16:36:06] *** wdp has quit IRC[16:39:13] *** stewart has quit IRC[16:39:38] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[16:40:14] *** dan_p has joined #opensolaris[16:40:27] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[16:41:57] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC[16:42:09] <dan_p> Hi, i'm being hit by this kernel panic bug, wondering how I can get hold of the fix (given that I do no how to build snv_111) http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6791062[16:42:30] <_setuid_H> :-)[16:42:43] <_setuid_H> how many of you already backuped sources? :-)[16:42:44] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:43:04] *** ikarius has quit IRC[16:43:08] *** bnitz2 is now known as bnitz[16:43:35] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[16:44:16] <flyingparchment> huh? "backuped sources"?[16:44:40] <psychicist> I plundered the opensparc website on monday, but I'm a linux guy ;)[16:44:57] <_setuid_H> well it really seems that ibm is going to buy sun[16:45:09] <throatwarbler> where do you get that sense ?[16:45:12] <_setuid_H> guys from eye bee m are walking trough the company[16:45:24] *** ddosia has joined #opensolaris[16:45:35] *** ddosia has left #opensolaris[16:46:16] *** Merlin670 has joined #opensolaris[16:46:36] *** MrStamp has joined #opensolaris[16:46:38] <Merlin670> Hey all, im new to jumpstart...jumping my first machine...it appears to have frozen during the install process[16:46:41] <_setuid_H> ok bye guys I have to go[16:46:58] <Merlin670> it found the dhcp server....got solaris jumpstart splash screen....but during the .............................. it has frozen on the 2nd line[16:47:03] *** proberts has quit IRC[16:47:08] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[16:47:10] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[16:47:14] <Merlin670> snoop doesn't show anything after the initial tftp broadcasts...how do i troubleshoot this?[16:47:16] <flyingparchment> during the what?[16:47:39] <Merlin670> during the install process when the dots come up ..........................[16:47:44] *** [JT] has quit IRC[16:47:50] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[16:48:03] <Merlin670> Flyingparchment: sorry, during the install process when the dots come up[16:48:26] <MrStamp> my time slider keeps going offline and services it depends on such as svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:frequent are going into maintenance mode[16:48:42] <Merlin670> Flyingparchment: not sure how to troubleshoot this, kinda new to jumpstart...using SUNWjet, and dhcp also, all that appears to be working[16:49:40] *** jfisc has quit IRC[16:49:51] <throatwarbler> do the logs for svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:frequent have anything interesting to say ?[16:51:08] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[16:52:12] <MrStamp> I see 'Stopping because dependency activity requires stop.'[16:52:46] <MrStamp> is there a way to turn up the loggin level?[16:53:38] *** m3lling has quit IRC[16:54:21] <MrStamp> oops, I was looking at /var/svc/log/application-time-slider:default.log[16:55:03] <MrStamp> cannot create snapshot 'rpool/ROOT/opensolaris@zfs-auto-snap:frequent-2009-03-24-15:21': dataset is busy[16:55:22] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[16:55:33] <throatwarbler> Hmmmmm.[16:56:04] <throatwarbler> I need to boot over to a system running time-slider to look around.[16:56:07] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[16:56:10] *** Garcon_ has joined #opensolaris[16:57:07] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:00:46] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[17:01:28] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[17:02:58] *** wbkang has quit IRC[17:05:33] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:05:57] <crichardso> i was reading something that said vlans are broken in 109 is that so?[17:06:05] *** blaxx_ has quit IRC[17:06:09] <crichardso> if so i guess i will put off doing vlans ;p[17:10:52] <throatwarbler> MrStamp - now on OpenSolaris. Your logs said that the root snapshot was busy ?[17:11:02] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[17:11:33] <MrStamp> throatwarbler: yes, it says dataset is busy[17:11:41] <MrStamp> cannot create snapshot 'rpool/ROOT/opensolaris@zfs-auto-snap:frequent-2009-03-24-15:21': dataset is busy[17:12:45] <asyd> what does that means btw?[17:13:02] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:14:14] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:14:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[17:15:41] <throatwarbler> What is your current root filesystem (df -k /) ?[17:16:32] *** felipe_ has quit IRC[17:16:52] <MrStamp> rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-2[17:17:01] <throatwarbler> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6808530[17:17:18] *** joanmarie has left #opensolaris[17:17:38] <asyd> btw, how zfs manage snapshots on a dataset where there are some fd open in write mode?[17:17:43] <throatwarbler> The workaround suggests mounting the BE's and clearing the services in maintenance[17:18:37] <throatwarbler> I presume that it does a sync and you get a picture of what the committed writes were at the time of the snapshot.[17:19:24] *** Chiron has quit IRC[17:19:42] <MrStamp> how do I check that?[17:19:46] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[17:19:50] <throatwarbler> beadm list[17:20:11] <throatwarbler> you probably have 2 besides the active one - opensolaris and opensolaris-1[17:20:25] <throatwarbler> beadm mount opensolaris /mnt; beadm umount opensolaris[17:20:36] <throatwarbler> beadm mount opensolaris-1; beadm umount opensolaris-1[17:20:53] <throatwarbler> svcadm clear <the service that is in maintance>[17:21:07] <throatwarbler> misspelled that - maintenance[17:21:25] <throatwarbler> Sometimes it's hard to tell that English is my first language :-)[17:22:18] *** Chiron has joined #opensolaris[17:22:36] <MrStamp> ok, now it shows time-slider online[17:22:50] <throatwarbler> I don't get that because I don't run time-slider on my root filesystem. I only run it on my active ones - specifically my home and a couple of other filesystems.[17:22:51] <MrStamp> hopefully it will stay that way :)[17:22:54] <MrStamp> thanks very much[17:23:19] <throatwarbler> Let us know what happens in 15 minutes (I think frequently runs every 15 minutes).[17:23:23] *** Dar has quit IRC[17:23:49] *** rno has quit IRC[17:24:12] *** tek-ops has quit IRC[17:25:03] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[17:25:06] <MrStamp> I should probably change that. I had set the configuration to the default, which does everything[17:25:26] <MrStamp> I don't expect I would need root snapshots since I rarely change anything there[17:26:09] *** javatexan has quit IRC[17:26:17] *** PicCard has quit IRC[17:26:24] <throatwarbler> pkg calls beadm to clone your root dataset when it does particularly nasty things to it.[17:26:30] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[17:26:57] <MrStamp> nasty?[17:27:21] <throatwarbler> kernel updates, things like that. Things that would be really hard to back out if they went bad.[17:27:56] <MrStamp> ah, hence opensolaris-1, opensolaris-2, etc[17:27:59] <throatwarbler> you'll notice that a pkg image-update will create a new boot environment[17:28:01] <throatwarbler> Exactly.[17:28:18] <Chiron> hm ... i cant find the installed nvidia-package :([17:28:23] <throatwarbler> And when it's done it says something like reboot to activate your new software.[17:28:51] <Chiron> i got it[17:28:55] <throatwarbler> So you have your old boot environment to fall back on when things to bad.[17:29:06] <MrStamp> zfs is the coolest thing ever[17:29:13] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[17:29:30] <throatwarbler> Pretty much :-) But FMA, SMF, and DTrace are pretty spectacular too :-)[17:29:30] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[17:29:30] <Merlin670> When i jumpstart it keeps freezing and im getting this when i snoop off the jumpstart server........... testjump -> (broadcast) ARP C Who is 10.212.52.85, testjump ?[17:29:37] <MrStamp> I installed opensolaris at work and when my coworkers saw it, I got about 5 other guys to install it too[17:29:38] <Merlin670> any ideas?[17:30:02] <MrStamp> I still need to learn dtrace[17:30:06] <throatwarbler> Outstanding. I shall call you opensolaris-evangelist-of-the-day :)[17:30:08] <tsoome> testjump is what?[17:30:36] <tsoome> the client host?[17:31:54] <Chiron> http://pastebin.com/m492b77d3 ... i dont understand[17:32:07] *** jteo has quit IRC[17:32:12] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[17:32:14] <throatwarbler> There are lots of great DTrace tutorials out there. Mine is at http://mediacast.sun.com/users/%7Ebobn/media/DTrace_in_a_Day.pdf but there are other great ones too. The key is to have a question in mind.[17:32:53] <MrStamp> cool, I'll read up on it. I always have questions :)[17:33:06] <throatwarbler> Good luck.[17:33:19] <throatwarbler> Lots of good folks here to help.[17:33:33] *** felipe_ has joined #opensolaris[17:33:51] <MrStamp> btw, the timeslider setup gives the option to snapshot /export, /export/home and subdirectories. If I snapshot /export wouldn't it also do the subdirectories?[17:34:11] <jbk> i believe it's per filesystem[17:37:05] *** koberoi has joined #opensolaris[17:37:07] <flyingparchment> i think you mean sub-filesystems, not subdirectories[17:37:46] <throatwarbler> I'll let you know in about 6 minutes :-)[17:38:33] <throatwarbler> I just added a ZFS filesystem under one that is already being auto-snapshotted.[17:38:41] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[17:39:16] *** wdp has quit IRC[17:39:24] <throatwarbler> Fascinating. It did pick up the child dataset.[17:39:29] <throatwarbler> Which is what I would expect.[17:40:43] <throatwarbler> arrakis/home/zippy com.sun:auto-snapshot true inherited from arrakis/home[17:40:52] <throatwarbler> New filesystems inherit the setting from their parent.[17:41:48] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[17:42:07] <jbk> i haven't really messed with it too much[17:42:20] <jbk> i got burned by switching to indiana before[17:42:21] *** koan has quit IRC[17:42:27] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[17:42:40] <jbk> so i'll wait unti sxce is dead this time[17:43:10] <throatwarbler> Now that the dev repository is out there - why not switch now ?[17:44:05] <jbk> it's not the dev repository that was the issue[17:44:09] <jbk> it was getting ON built[17:44:26] <jbk> basically the respose was 'f* you, go away it's not supported'[17:44:30] <jbk> i did managed to get it working[17:44:32] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:44:43] <jbk> then the ss11->12 migration happened[17:44:55] <jbk> of course no one thought to have tarballs ready with the correct patched binaries[17:45:05] <jbk> and weren't available for almost 2 months after the switch[17:45:10] <jbk> and patchadd was broken in indiana[17:45:48] <jbk> so you couldn't pkgadd + patchadd the patches (whhich of course assumes you have a current support contract to be able to download the ss12 patches)[17:46:30] <jbk> and since i do the work as a hobby, i finally just gave up for 2 months until the issues were fixed, and just reinstalled sxce[17:47:23] <throatwarbler> I see your point. I'm not doing ON builds presently, so I missed all that fun.[17:47:30] <jbk> yeah, it was frustrating[17:47:39] <throatwarbler> I can imagine.[17:47:45] *** Younger has left #opensolaris[17:48:53] *** mib_1h67ulyh has joined #opensolaris[17:48:53] <throatwarbler> isn't ss12 in the repository now ? At least to a level required to build ON ?[17:49:23] <jbk> i don't know if the version in the IPS repo is the correct one, but you can now get a tarball that has hte correct patches applied[17:49:28] *** bnitz has quit IRC[17:49:46] <jbk> hopefully that will be coordinated better for the next ss transition[17:49:50] <throatwarbler> that's the one I have installed.[17:50:13] <throatwarbler> I would hope and expect so.[17:52:13] *** servo- has quit IRC[17:52:26] *** tough has quit IRC[17:53:20] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[17:53:26] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[17:55:14] *** Chiron has quit IRC[17:56:15] *** egoz has joined #opensolaris[17:56:24] *** AsperinTablete_ has joined #opensolaris[17:57:07] <AsperinTablete_> http://www.meine-exschlampe.com/?ID=241489 its a great game http://www.meine-exschlampe.com/?ID=241489[17:58:31] *** AsperinTablete_ has left #opensolaris[17:58:48] <CIA-33> Randall Ralphs <Randall.Ralphs at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2009/114 mdi_is_dev_supported, 6818075 Need an way to find out if a device would be supported under mdi without trial and error[17:59:14] *** div8 has quit IRC[17:59:50] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris[18:01:58] <jbk> hmm..[18:02:24] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[18:02:30] <jbk> i wonder if there's a tool that'd do this...[18:02:43] <jbk> say i want to do something like[18:02:49] <jbk> for f in file1 file2 ....; do[18:02:52] <jbk> cmd1 $f[18:02:58] <jbk> cmd2 $f[18:02:59] <jbk> done[18:03:53] <jbk> it'd be neat if there was an easy way to do the 'cmd1 $f; cmd2 $f' in parallel w/ a limited number of threads (i.e. do cmd1 file1; cmd2 file1 at the same time as cmd1 file2; cmd2 file2)[18:04:35] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[18:04:53] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[18:04:54] <jbk> obviously you could background the loop part, but if you have say 200 files, you don't want all 200 going at once (well maybe on one of the victoria falls boxes), maybe you just want 4 at a time[18:06:12] *** tek-ops has joined #opensolaris[18:06:15] <eviljames> jbk: In shell script that would be challenging to say the least.[18:06:31] <Vonor> jbk, put the cmds into the background by adding a "&" sign and they will run at the same time...though you probably want to add a sleep for some seconds if you reached a specified amount of threads[18:06:36] <tek-ops> so, i'm seeing some unusual behavior with very basic networking among linux and opensolaris machines[18:06:39] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[18:06:46] <eviljames> jbk: However, in a thread-aware language (ie: Python), you could implement such a loop relatively trivially and monitor the threads, as one dies create the next.[18:06:59] <tek-ops> such that opensolaris keeps losing the ability to even ping the linux machine[18:07:00] <jbk> Vonor: see my last comment[18:07:10] <jbk> if i have 200 lines, i don't want all 200 running at once[18:07:17] <tek-ops> has anyone seen/heard of this[18:07:18] <jbk> i want to do, say 4 at a time[18:07:18] *** ken1 is now known as ken-h[18:07:21] <eviljames> Vonor: That wouldn't manage the threads, though. suposing that cmd1 takes an exceptionally long time for a certain file the sleep timeout wouldn't kill that thread or wait for it to finish before starting the next one.[18:07:33] <eviljames> jbk: so in the aforementioned python example, you would set a constant to be the thread_limit[18:07:38] <tek-ops> I just find it odd since, i'm using 2008.11 fresh install[18:07:46] *** Alasdair has quit IRC[18:07:52] *** Alasdair has joined #opensolaris[18:07:59] <jbk> i'd like something more that could be done with shell stuff[18:08:01] *** Dar has quit IRC[18:08:15] *** Merlin670 has quit IRC[18:08:16] <eviljames> tek-ops: After troubleshooting a connection, if it fails I typically run "pfexec svcadm restart nwam"[18:08:17] <tek-ops> the only usual aspect is that I needed to disable NWAM since the opensolaris box has two NICs[18:08:33] <tek-ops> eviljames: I can't use NWAM since I need to have it on two subnets[18:08:34] <eviljames> tek-ops: That or configure nwam to manage them appropriately. Either choice is a good choice.[18:08:37] <eviljames> ahh[18:08:45] <eviljames> tek-ops: gotcha. Disable it, manual configuration. docs.sun.com for the rest :D[18:08:45] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[18:08:48] *** scholarwarrior has joined #opensolaris[18:08:54] <tek-ops> eviljames: it's set up[18:09:00] <tek-ops> per docs.sun.com spec[18:09:00] <jbk> i suppose maybe something that takes form stdin or a file a big list of commands to run, and runs X lines at a time (and as one exits, picks the next one out of the list)[18:09:02] <eviljames> tek-ops: oh.[18:09:10] <tek-ops> in fact, if you look at the page, I filled in missing details[18:09:39] *** scholarwarrior has quit IRC[18:09:44] <tek-ops> that being said, all communication dies after X about of data is transmitted[18:09:54] <tek-ops> whether it be pings, ssh, iscsi, whatever[18:09:58] <eviljames> Interesting.[18:10:10] <eviljames> Are you on b109 ?[18:10:22] <eviljames> no, fresh 2008.11 you mentioned above..[18:10:39] <tek-ops> i'm doing a "ping -s" now[18:11:11] <tek-ops> for testing i have just one linux (centos 5.2) and one opensolaris 2008.11 across a single (dumb) switch[18:11:19] <tek-ops> they're the only machines on it[18:11:39] <tek-ops> and somehow it can't get more than 3 icmp_seq numbers consecutively[18:12:02] <tek-ops> however[18:12:09] <tek-ops> i can ssh to the other NIC with no problem[18:12:27] <tek-ops> is opensolaris capable of having two NICs on different subnets?[18:13:08] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[18:13:08] <throatwarbler> Absolutely.[18:13:13] <tek-ops> basically, the NIC that the default route is tied to works fine[18:13:22] <tek-ops> the other NIC loses traffic pretty consistantly[18:13:26] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[18:13:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[18:13:34] <throatwarbler> what are the 2 NICs ?[18:13:51] <tek-ops> both e1000, so e1000g0 and e1000g1[18:13:55] *** Christian_K_ has quit IRC[18:14:39] <throatwarbler> stab in the dark: what happens if you cut back the MTU size a bit ?[18:15:10] <jbk> does netstat -in show any errors?[18:15:40] <tek-ops> nope, no errors[18:16:06] <tek-ops> oh, the one difference is that e1000g0 is running at 100Mb (this is the link to is stable)[18:16:16] <tek-ops> where e1000g1 is running gigabit (unstable)[18:16:33] <tek-ops> how far back do you want me to drop MTU[18:16:36] <jbk> a cable issue possibly?[18:16:37] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[18:16:48] <tek-ops> i've tried about 10 cables now[18:17:05] <tek-ops> and this is me reproducing a problem preventing us from deploying any opensolaris[18:17:50] <tek-ops> should I make MTU 1350? or something[18:18:20] <hali> what switch are you connected to?[18:18:25] *** motion has joined #opensolaris[18:18:45] <tek-ops> i've tried this across cisco's, HP's and now even a netgear[18:18:52] *** inaddy has quit IRC[18:18:53] *** motion is now known as Guest72671[18:18:58] <tek-ops> exact same behavior throughout[18:19:38] <tek-ops> the problem only seems to occur on the secondary link though[18:19:59] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[18:19:59] <tek-ops> and the other odd behavior[18:20:13] <tek-ops> doing a traceroute ... it gets confused for first hop[18:20:21] <throatwarbler> what opensolaris are you running ? I'm trolling through the bugs database looking at e1000g things.[18:20:32] <tek-ops> it's 2008.11[18:20:43] <tek-ops> which is SNV_101b[18:21:01] <tek-ops> like I said, it's a fresh install, so i'm not sure if theres a patch i'm missing[18:21:30] <throatwarbler> OK, there are a lot of e1000g fixes delivered since then. Might try adding the /dev repository and doing a pkg image-update. Might not hurt.[18:21:53] <tek-ops> ahhh[18:22:12] <tek-ops> hmm, that may prevent me from getting to deploy this :-/[18:22:22] <tek-ops> nothing made it back as a patch?[18:22:47] <throatwarbler> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6699662[18:23:29] <crichardso> tek-ops i have e1000g cards and i totaly agree get upto 109[18:23:46] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[18:23:47] <crichardso> there was horrible outbound issues with them that was fixed in 108 i believe[18:24:07] <tek-ops> crichardso: you have it deployed to prod as such?[18:24:33] <crichardso> yes[18:24:37] <tek-ops> ok cool[18:24:39] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[18:24:50] <crichardso> what are you going to use it for[18:25:06] <crichardso> i still see some issues but i think it is more me than os haha[18:25:15] <tek-ops> NAS heads[18:25:27] <tek-ops> as an initial penetration into our DC[18:25:27] <crichardso> but for backing vms or just storage?[18:25:34] <tek-ops> massive storage[18:25:43] <crichardso> ah ok it should be fine then i think[18:25:45] <tek-ops> i'll have a write-up done later[18:26:00] <crichardso> my biggest prob is under estimating ram, and spindles[18:26:12] <tek-ops> so i've never used a "release" of open solaris before[18:26:16] <tek-ops> IPS is still new to me[18:26:29] <crichardso> it takes some getting fimilar with[18:26:43] <crichardso> but you might want to look at comstar package[18:26:44] <tek-ops> well I've disable GDM as well[18:26:57] <tek-ops> I've been looking at it[18:26:58] *** bnitz1 has left #opensolaris[18:27:00] <crichardso> it will alow more flexibity if you are going to use it as a head[18:27:17] <tek-ops> flexibility in what regard?[18:27:50] <crichardso> like squashing nas,sans,fc drives all into 1 big location[18:28:15] <tek-ops> as opposed to just iSCSI mount them and ZFS on top?[18:28:36] <tek-ops> its going to be the head of an iSCSI SAN[18:28:42] <crichardso> like for us we have 2 solaris sans and a EQ san using comstar was can put them all in one and zfs them and send it out as 1 storage unit[18:28:43] <tek-ops> no FC involved[18:28:44] <Chiron|> hm ... i have a nvidia geforce 9600 and the normal nvidia package doenst work for me, so i tried the legacy driver from nvdia but it doesnt work either. is there no way to use the nvidia driver?[18:28:45] *** authentic has quit IRC[18:28:47] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[18:29:10] <tek-ops> ah ok[18:29:11] <Chiron|> it only shows a white page and i have to rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot[18:29:37] <tek-ops> crichardso: how "should" i get to a newer build? using IPS?[18:29:39] <crichardso> well yes you can do that but it allows you to bring in FC, localdisks, ram pretty much anything plus the iscsi stack is diffrent and is better or so they say[18:29:53] <crichardso> ahh lol hold on[18:30:09] <axisys> does zfs have any builtin feature to look at the change history short of looking at shell history if available or tunr on some auditing which may still necessary for other reason ? need to find out when the compression was turned off[18:30:27] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[18:30:31] *** Guest26452 has quit IRC[18:33:07] <eviljames> tek-ops: careful with going to a new build.\[18:33:23] <eviljames> tek-ops: IPS will do it, for sure, but make sure you test it out before committing to those changes[18:33:32] <seanmcg> axisys, zpool history[18:33:35] <trochej> axisys: zpool history[18:33:44] <tek-ops> test what out?[18:33:50] <tek-ops> i havent gotten to configure anything?[18:33:58] <eviljames> tek-ops: the steps are pretty simple, overall. First, check which authority you are using "pkg authority"[18:33:59] <tek-ops> this is still a fresh install[18:34:00] *** rv-_ has joined #opensolaris[18:34:13] <tek-ops> ah ok[18:34:15] <eviljames> tek-ops: Ahh, it was just some general advice. b109 is a bit unstable for my laptop, but runs smooth as silk on my home server[18:34:26] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[18:35:01] <tek-ops> ah, i gotcha[18:35:06] <eviljames> tek-ops: Think of an Authority like a repository. Don't get too attached to the name, it is slated to change from Authority to Publisher soon.[18:35:09] <tek-ops> it just seems all too ... untested for an RC[18:35:40] <crichardso> ya 109 isnt doing bad here[18:35:40] <eviljames> 2008.11 or the builds ?[18:35:47] <crichardso> but vlans i think are borked?[18:36:01] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[18:36:02] <tek-ops> 2008.11[18:36:32] <tek-ops> i mean, e1000 is a pretty common NIC[18:36:34] <eviljames> crichardso: Lots of things are apparently broken in b109, many bigger changes to get in before feature freeze (afaik)[18:36:47] <tek-ops> damn deadlines[18:36:58] <tek-ops> the word deadline is quite an ironic one[18:37:33] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[18:37:36] <eviljames> tek-ops: Even with e1000 being common, the driver itself had an issue or two iirc[18:38:00] <tek-ops> yea, i get it[18:38:07] <eviljames> tek-ops: Try moving to the development Authority ("pfexec pkg set-authority -P -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev dev")[18:38:43] <eviljames> tek-ops: In case you're unfamiliar, this command creates an authority entry called "dev" with URL "pkg.opensolaris.org/dev" and the -P makes it the primary authority.[18:38:53] *** taltamir has quit IRC[18:38:55] <eviljames> tek-ops: at that point, pfexec pkg refresh && pfexec pkg image-update[18:39:10] <tek-ops> thanks james[18:39:14] <tek-ops> I'm doing it now on a test box[18:39:16] <eviljames> tek-ops: Those move you to the latest development build/release. It will automatically create a new BE for you, so if the changes don't work you can rollback by rebooting.[18:39:26] <seanmcg> e1000g are common, but theres lots of different types of e1000g..[18:39:33] <eviljames> seanmcg: good point.[18:39:41] <tek-ops> very true[18:40:16] <tek-ops> i need to "pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg" before the "pfexec pkg image-update"[18:40:21] <eviljames> ahh yea[18:40:21] <seanmcg> similar with other nics, just count the number of times e1000g or bge say is in /etc/driver_aliases[18:40:54] <eviljames> tek-ops: SUNWipkg is the package for the package manager :D[18:41:13] <tek-ops> oooh, thats where my confusion is, i thought in all cases e1000g != bge[18:41:28] <tek-ops> eviljames: that makes sense[18:41:40] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:41:52] <tek-ops> i picked a crappy day to quick smoking[18:42:13] <flyingparchment> tek-ops: er.. e1000g is not bge. they're completely different chipsets[18:42:23] <tek-ops> ok, thats what I thought[18:43:09] <tek-ops> seanmcg: where you just referring to the number of released board rev's for each NIC?[18:43:09] <flyingparchment> (also, e1000g is the supidest name for a driver ever.. especially once you get e1000g300000)[18:43:10] <seanmcg> tek-ops, I just picked bge as another nic for the example.. eg, e1000g have different chipsets, but can have same driver name[18:43:43] *** rv- has quit IRC[18:43:47] <eviljames> flyingparchment: I guess you're running 300,000 virtual servers? (I agree, btw)[18:43:48] <seanmcg> flyingparchment, so rename it :) dladm rename e1000g0 foobar0[18:43:56] <flyingparchment> eviljames: no, that's .1q vlan 300[18:44:17] <seanmcg> dladm rename-link I mean[18:44:21] *** motion has joined #opensolaris[18:44:49] *** motion is now known as Guest66479[18:45:22] <tek-ops> hey, has anyone tried using an intel X3100 video card with opensolaris?[18:45:39] <tek-ops> with a non-standard display?[18:46:19] <crichardso> with vlans i have to set tagging on those switch ports right[18:46:23] *** ken-h has quit IRC[18:46:33] <flyingparchment> crichardso: yes, if you want to move .1q (which is needed to have one interface on several vlans[18:46:38] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[18:49:36] <crichardso> hmm i didnt that but it isnt working i must have something messed up somewhere hehe[18:50:34] <seanmcg> tek-ops, yes, rev's per nic.. meaning one driver works for a load of rev's, each of which may behave somewhat differently to other revs.[18:50:56] <tek-ops> I get that[18:51:18] <tek-ops> I've had to make additions for newer revs to get recognized for some HBAs[18:51:49] <seanmcg> update_dev or otherwise ?[18:51:53] *** Christian_K has joined #opensolaris[18:51:56] <seanmcg> update_drv even.[18:52:16] <tek-ops> hey hold up, i have a standup[18:52:47] *** ahl has joined #opensolaris[18:52:57] *** mikefut has quit IRC[18:53:03] *** ahl has left #opensolaris[18:54:28] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[18:55:55] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:59:02] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[18:59:27] *** Guest72671 has quit IRC[19:01:20] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[19:03:14] *** rayel74 has quit IRC[19:03:43] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[19:04:55] *** ken1 has quit IRC[19:05:19] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[19:05:19] *** charlieS_ is now known as charlieS[19:06:25] *** servo- has quit IRC[19:08:14] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[19:08:16] *** proberts has quit IRC[19:08:56] *** ken1 is now known as ken-h[19:10:00] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[19:10:22] *** Vonor has quit IRC[19:11:12] *** darth4 has joined #opensolaris[19:14:27] *** geh_meh_geh has joined #opensolaris[19:14:28] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[19:15:49] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC[19:16:29] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[19:16:39] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[19:16:42] *** geh_meh_geh is now known as gehmehgeh[19:16:45] <tek-ops> right, with update_drv[19:16:48] <tek-ops> sorry about that[19:19:04] *** merlin_js has joined #opensolaris[19:19:23] <merlin_js> anyone familliar with jumpstart?[19:20:13] <tek-ops> woah! SVN_109 is working like a charm![19:21:47] *** Younger has joined #opensolaris[19:21:55] *** MrStamp has quit IRC[19:22:35] *** Randello has quit IRC[19:24:43] *** javatexan has quit IRC[19:24:52] <eviljames> tek-ops: It's good?[19:24:57] <tek-ops> oh yea[19:25:00] <tek-ops> so far, anyways[19:25:05] <eviljames> w00t![19:25:17] <tek-ops> i can ping and ssh, and it stays alive[19:25:24] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[19:25:25] * tek-ops is so happy[19:25:40] <eviljames> I'm fairly certain there was a driver issue in b101 that caused the issues you were seeing.[19:26:03] <tek-ops> i think you are correct[19:26:12] <tek-ops> i changed nothing but the software release[19:26:36] <tek-ops> now to test iscsi and i should be golden[19:26:54] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[19:27:01] <eviljames> Sweet. I hope you noticed that new options in your bootmenu will allow you to rollback as well, should this actually cause worse problems.[19:27:10] <eviljames> If you're not local to the machine, beadm will help[19:27:14] <tek-ops> i'm using to LU[19:27:18] <tek-ops> used to*[19:27:32] <tek-ops> wait, is it no longer called Live Upgrade?[19:28:27] <eviljames> I think IPS replaces that, but someone could correct me on that.[19:28:47] <flyingparchment> IPS uses beadm instead[19:29:28] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[19:29:39] *** nyati has left #opensolaris[19:29:54] <tek-ops> well same difference[19:32:29] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[19:33:05] *** yippi_ has joined #opensolaris[19:34:10] *** ShanghaiScott has quit IRC[19:34:42] *** yippi_ has quit IRC[19:34:45] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[19:36:30] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[19:36:43] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[19:39:19] <koberoi> Doing a test. I tried to add pkg.opensolaris.org/release as an authority in OpenSolaris 2008.05, but I'm unable to list/search packages. Known issue?[19:40:24] *** Chiron| has joined #opensolaris[19:41:20] *** yippi has quit IRC[19:41:40] *** urbanmonk has joined #opensolaris[19:41:57] *** Christian_K has quit IRC[19:42:36] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[19:43:02] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[19:44:19] *** urbanmonk has quit IRC[19:44:31] *** ken-h has quit IRC[19:44:52] *** urbanmonk has joined #opensolaris[19:46:45] <eviljames> koberoi: pfexec pkg refresh ?[19:50:35] *** alexus has joined #opensolaris[19:51:02] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[19:51:21] *** merlin_js has quit IRC[19:53:13] *** eldee has joined #opensolaris[19:53:20] <axisys> seanmcg, trochej : thanks a lot.. wish it had timestamps and user id as well[19:53:30] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:53:53] *** eldee has quit IRC[19:54:45] <koberoi> eviljames: thanks. got an error and now just realized that I can't even get out with the browser, so I have a network issue I need to resolve first[19:55:08] *** Vonor has joined #opensolaris[19:55:18] *** mdh has quit IRC[19:55:19] <eviljames> koberoi: heh, that makes sense then :D[19:55:48] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:56:32] *** RyShask_ has joined #opensolaris[19:56:49] <RyShask_> Hrm.. I appear to be logged in from some screen session from somewhere else...[19:57:24] <tek-ops> hell yes![19:57:42] *** mdh has joined #opensolaris[19:57:43] <RyShask_> slog devices, == the reason for zfs fsck.[19:57:47] <tek-ops> I have the opensolaris (SNV_109) mounting the linux (with IETD) iSCSI targets[19:58:00] <RyShask_> ugh, iscsi[19:58:08] <tek-ops> iSCSI owns your mom[19:58:14] <RyShask_> nfsv4 maybe[19:58:22] *** myosound has quit IRC[19:58:34] <RyShask_> iscsi needs to die.[19:58:34] <tek-ops> did you just compare a SAN protocol to a NAS protocol?[19:58:41] <eviljames> tek-ops: That is teh seckz. :D[19:58:42] <RyShask_> you know nothin about nfsv4 apparently.[19:58:56] <tek-ops> i know nfs is network file system[19:58:59] <RyShask_> and iscsi is no a san protocol.[19:59:06] <tek-ops> and iscsi is supposed to export block devices[19:59:18] <RyShask_> anyway[19:59:28] <RyShask_> block devices ownz your mom! :)[19:59:35] <RyShask_> or wait[19:59:38] <RyShask_> your mom IS a block device.[19:59:45] <RyShask_> about to take a huge core dump.[19:59:53] <eviljames> That's hot.[19:59:59] <RyShask_> :)[20:00:01] <tek-ops> RyShask_: you do understand the different between block-level exports and file-level exports, right?[20:00:22] <RyShask_> yeah, I do. I try to avoid block level exports due to the complexity of management.[20:00:27] <tek-ops> just because open storage isn't doing iscsi targets correctly ... doesnt mean iscsi is wrong[20:00:41] <RyShask_> and that the iscsi stack keeps changing in solaris on a weekly basis ( exageration )[20:00:43] <tek-ops> RyShask_: you don't like fibre channel?[20:00:48] *** rv-_ has quit IRC[20:00:51] <RyShask_> fiber channel is way expensive.[20:00:54] <tek-ops> lol[20:00:56] <RyShask_> I'm using sas.[20:00:57] <tek-ops> iscsi is way less[20:01:05] <tek-ops> Sun and SAS ... should really break up[20:01:15] <tek-ops> they PDA constantly and it's pretty gross[20:01:20] <RyShask_> Hmm, kind of difficult since that's the way the whole industry is going.[20:01:29] <tek-ops> the whole industry is going SAS?[20:01:30] <RyShask_> unless fiber gets cheap.[20:01:41] <tek-ops> try FCoE or iSCSI[20:01:54] <tek-ops> that is what cheap is[20:01:57] <RyShask_> Hmm. fcoe is cool.[20:01:59] <tek-ops> how much are SAS extenders?[20:02:04] <tek-ops> oh wait, solaris doesn't support them anyways[20:02:10] <RyShask_> but I don't think it will gain traction. I'd rather see a real clustered file system like lustre take off.[20:02:21] *** koan has quit IRC[20:02:28] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[20:02:38] <RyShask_> don't really need sas extenders, sas expander chips cascade just fine.[20:02:38] <tek-ops> i'd like to see sun recognize iSCSI as a very likely candidate[20:02:44] <tek-ops> 10GbE is getting really cheap[20:02:48] <tek-ops> and so will the switches[20:03:03] <CosmicDJ> you'll need new cables..[20:03:04] <RyShask_> Yeah. I agree with you there. aoe or fcaoe would be nice.[20:03:14] <RyShask_> er fcoe[20:03:14] <tek-ops> RyShask_: then why can't Sun put to gether a 1PB quote for me?[20:03:23] <tek-ops> or even 500 TB usable?[20:03:36] <tek-ops> ataoe should die[20:03:37] <RyShask_> 500 TB? in one shelf?[20:03:42] <tek-ops> fcoe makes some sense[20:03:44] <RyShask_> er one storage solution?[20:03:47] <tek-ops> RyShask_: 500TB period[20:03:49] <RyShask_> you need a clusterin filesystem like aoe.[20:03:53] <tek-ops> one ZFS[20:03:58] <RyShask_> er zfs or anythin on top of aoe[20:04:02] <RyShask_> or lustre.[20:04:11] <tek-ops> or i can just do it with iscsi and zfs[20:04:16] <tek-ops> oh wait, i'm doing that as we speak[20:04:20] <RyShask_> iscsi isn't as reliable though.[20:04:32] <RyShask_> how long have you been in production with that? I'd like to be wrong.[20:04:46] <tek-ops> i havent deploy it yet[20:04:49] <tek-ops> i'm building it now[20:04:52] <RyShask_> *nod*[20:04:54] <tek-ops> will be testing in the coming weeks[20:04:58] <tek-ops> let me put it this way[20:05:07] <RyShask_> honestly, If I'm wrong. I'll buy youa drink and be happy to know someone who HAS deployed somethin of that scale.[20:05:09] <tek-ops> it was rock solid with linux + md +lvm + xfs[20:05:16] <RyShask_> I'm currently deploying an 88 terabyte capable sas solution.[20:05:30] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[20:05:30] *** Chiron| has quit IRC[20:05:34] <tek-ops> so, i'm just hoping opensolaris +zfs can be close to as stable[20:05:41] <RyShask_> yeah[20:05:47] * tek-ops prays[20:05:48] <RyShask_> zfs is kind of finicky[20:06:04] <RyShask_> I decided to emulate what they are doin with their new storage product as closely as possible.[20:06:33] *** edgeoc has joined #opensolaris[20:06:55] <tek-ops> i'm REALLY trying to make opensolaris penetration in my damn data center[20:06:59] <tek-ops> for chrisakes[20:07:02] <RyShask_> yeah[20:07:12] <RyShask_> All my research made me avoid iscsi...[20:07:14] <tek-ops> if this doesn't fly, i may not get another shot[20:07:17] <RyShask_> maybe aoe.[20:07:22] <tek-ops> who would u get ataoe from?[20:07:24] <tek-ops> coraid?[20:07:25] <RyShask_> I've had that running on a 10 terabyte lab setup.[20:07:38] <RyShask_> I installed linux on a usb key and then downloaded the newest coraid drivers.[20:07:45] <RyShask_> so the storage boots up and exports itself.[20:07:52] *** e^ipi has quit IRC[20:08:12] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[20:08:14] <RyShask_> I then have a machinew ith a slog and read cache moutning it via 1gige.[20:08:22] <RyShask_> been dependable for 3 months[20:08:42] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[20:08:51] <RyShask_> if you want to avoid direct attached sas,fiber I would go that route.[20:08:51] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[20:09:13] <RyShask_> unless you need to route your packets... but I think I'd just create a vpn tunnel for it at that point.[20:11:03] *** Guest66479 has quit IRC[20:11:17] *** axisys has quit IRC[20:14:24] *** kim0 has quit IRC[20:14:42] <RyShask_> tek-ops you have a blog for what you are attempting?[20:18:35] *** ball has left #opensolaris[20:24:43] *** wbkang has quit IRC[20:24:59] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[20:25:23] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[20:26:50] <tek-ops> not yet[20:26:52] <tek-ops> have to get approval from my employer to publish[20:26:57] <RyShask_> *nod*[20:27:00] <tek-ops> and i'm still waiting on approval to open-source the project that i already open-sourced, lol[20:27:06] <RyShask_> heh[20:27:09] <tek-ops> but i'll def get you details and do write-ups soon[20:27:14] <tek-ops> brb, someone is creating a freaking loop here[20:27:24] <RyShask_> I hope to be a billionare someday so I can just do what I want with tech.[20:28:34] <trochej> One day I will be a millionaire and I will then get myself a job of it operations. Because I like it and I will do it out for joy, not for money[20:28:37] <trochej> :P[20:28:45] <RyShask_> heh[20:28:51][20:28:53] <RyShask_> we need someone in our company. heh[20:30:21] <trochej> Hm?[20:30:48] <eviljames> It doesn't take millions or billions to be free, guys.[20:30:53] <RyShask_> true[20:31:03] <RyShask_> I really just need to save up a year or so of reserve money[20:32:48] *** teknoprep has joined #opensolaris[20:35:39] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[20:37:01] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[20:37:32] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[20:39:58][20:45:28] *** Younger1 has joined #opensolaris[20:49:03] <tek-ops> aw man[20:49:10] <tek-ops> is there no Bonnie for opensolaris?[20:52:05] *** Younger has quit IRC[20:53:31] *** pgr has quit IRC[20:54:22] <tsoome> build it if there is no binary[20:54:27] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[20:56:12] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[20:57:19] *** stewart has quit IRC[20:57:56] <teknoprep> does anyone have a suggestion on setting up an opensolaris install onto a USB thumbdrive[20:58:00] <eviljames> trochej: Ain't that the damn truth.[20:58:09] <teknoprep> with ZFS / ISCSI target / NFS[20:59:12] <tek-ops> wait[20:59:15] <tek-ops> what are you trying to do?[20:59:27] <teknoprep> not have to use 2HDD for root pool[20:59:36] <teknoprep> i would like to be able to use them in a larger raid10 pool[20:59:44] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[20:59:45] <tek-ops> no, i get that[20:59:49] <tek-ops> you want to boot off of USB[20:59:54] <teknoprep> yes[21:00:31] <tek-ops> i just have moral conflicts with iSCSI targets creating block files instead of exporting block devices, nevermind[21:00:39] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris[21:01:05] <tek-ops> I'm pretty sure the openstorage community will agree that, in its current state, opensolaris is not the best choice for creating an iSCSI target[21:01:07] *** ceri has quit IRC[21:01:10] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[21:01:11] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[21:01:15] <tek-ops> i could be wrong, they might not agree[21:01:55] *** Reepicheep has joined #opensolaris[21:02:04] <throatwarbler> give COMSTAR a chance to settle down and revisit the notion.[21:02:20] <teknoprep> opensolaris is a great iSCSI target for vmware tho[21:02:37] <teknoprep> i have seen some great performance rates[21:03:13] <teknoprep> but i dont' see any files with iSCSI target on ZFS[21:03:20] <teknoprep> the blocks are exported[21:03:24] <teknoprep> as devices[21:03:27] <tek-ops> it's all emulated[21:03:31] <teknoprep> oh[21:03:36] <tek-ops> what have you compared performance against?[21:03:44] <teknoprep> NetApp[21:03:58] * tek-ops refrains from commenting on NetApp[21:04:07] <teknoprep> also EMC[21:04:09] <tek-ops> try Linux with IETD[21:04:26] <tek-ops> it's pretty damn compliant and i've been getting pretty awesome results[21:04:42] <teknoprep> and a few left hand networks boxes[21:04:49] <tek-ops> the number of platters seems to be my only limitation, as long as I provide enough bandwidth[21:04:58] *** dorfo1 has left #opensolaris[21:05:06] <tek-ops> well ok[21:05:26] <tek-ops> as soon as I'm done benchmarking this setup, i'll recreate the target with osol and get back to you with actual numbers[21:05:56] <teknoprep> openfiler uses IETD[21:06:08] <tek-ops> who makes openfiler?[21:06:13] <teknoprep> and i see OpenSolaris did better for me than openfiler[21:06:16] <teknoprep> www.openfiler.com[21:06:34] <tek-ops> ok, great[21:06:34] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[21:06:54] <tek-ops> like i said, i'm gonna recreate this test with opensolaris targets as soon as the linux targets results are in[21:07:15] <tek-ops> thanks for pointing out that the 2 layers of overhead in the opensolaris implementation dont seem to have that much impact[21:07:43] <teknoprep> it does have an impact onthe CPU's[21:07:51] <tek-ops> I'll actually be doing the test on the same physical hardware, so i'll be able to determine which is actually more efficient[21:07:54] <teknoprep> i notice that iscsitgtd takes alot of CPU time[21:08:01] <teknoprep> but i always use QC cpu's[21:08:19] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[21:09:05] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris[21:09:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi[21:09:19] *** mlischke has joined #opensolaris[21:09:26] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[21:09:35] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[21:10:18] *** esok has quit IRC[21:11:04] <mlischke> hey there, little question: in a shell script I found a command like: "daemon python $PROGNAME", but "daemon" gives an error[21:11:10] <mlischke> what should I use instead?[21:11:21] *** m3lling has joined #opensolaris[21:11:41] <mlischke> (rosetta.html did not give me an answer)[21:12:45] <m3lling> "unable to lock locks to perform operations" ... I get this trying to install OpenOffice3 on Solaris running the setup command. I don't have any options to -G for global zone only.[21:13:06] <m3lling> I simply want openoffice installed in /opt[21:13:09] <holcomb> look in /tmp/.ai* for package locks[21:13:22] <holcomb> i had this problem yesterday for some weird reason.[21:13:33] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[21:13:51] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:14:28] <m3lling> just one with a current time stamp.[21:14:44] <holcomb> kill it, and kill it in any zones if it exists[21:14:51] *** ej|sleeping is now known as _ej_[21:18:39] <teknoprep> NexentaCore seems to be pretty nice[21:19:09] <holcomb> maybe i missed something - what exactly is comstar emulating?[21:19:22] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[21:19:32] <e^ipi> holcomb: not emulating anything[21:19:57] <holcomb> that's what i thought[21:20:01] <e^ipi> it's just a centralized shim for storage stuff[21:20:17] <e^ipi> it can share a number of block devices via a number of protocols[21:20:37] <e^ipi> i'm most interested in a SAS target, because i think that would be cool[21:20:49] <e^ipi> first i need a couple sas cards though[21:21:27] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[21:21:32] <CosmicDJ> mlischke: I'd try to find out what the "daemon" command does[21:21:43] <e^ipi> summons demons[21:21:50] <mlischke> :-)[21:22:30] <e^ipi> pythons, in that example[21:22:37] <e^ipi> if it offers you an apple, probably shouldn't eat it[21:23:02] <mlischke> well, obviously is it meant to start the process in the background[21:23:26] <mlischke> I googled and other seem to have the same problems (though on other platforms)[21:24:22] <mlischke> some recommend to use start-stop-daemon instead but that exists only on SLES...[21:24:33] <m3lling> there were a few of the /tmp/.ai* files. got them all. OpenOffice 3.0 seems to take forever to install on Solaris.[21:24:37] <mlischke> /lib/lsb/init-functions[21:24:41] <CosmicDJ> I thought just about any shell provides that functionality.[21:24:43] *** ken1 has quit IRC[21:26:09] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:26:22] <mlischke> The script also contains lines[21:26:29] <seanmcg> axisys, zpool history -l[21:26:30] <mlischke> # Source function library[21:26:39] <mlischke> . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions[21:26:53] <mlischke> these functions also do not exist :-/[21:27:03] *** lewellyn^ has joined #opensolaris[21:27:30] <CosmicDJ> mlischke: this file should exist on the linux box you got your script from[21:28:00] <mlischke> probably, can't reach the owner though[21:28:07] <mlischke> (author)[21:29:23] *** Younger1 has left #opensolaris[21:30:29] <mlischke> hmm, somehow I thought this would really be an easy question, but I'm wrong it seems[21:30:34] <mlischke> anyway thanks for answering[21:30:35] *** dguitar has quit IRC[21:30:44] *** mlischke has quit IRC[21:30:58] <lewellyn^> there are no easy questions[21:31:17] <CosmicDJ> well you can run commands in the background with the shell + &[21:31:29] <lewellyn^> unless you already know the answer :)[21:31:43] <CosmicDJ> oh c'mon, everybody knows that[21:32:31] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[21:34:20] <CosmicDJ> but well, I have no idea what the 'daemon' command does... so that answer might have been wrong[21:34:57] <lewellyn^> that's a djb command, iirc[21:35:28] <lewellyn^> i think it's his idea of how smf should work. on linux.[21:35:51] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[21:38:05] *** e^ipi has quit IRC[21:38:12] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:39:43] *** javatexan has quit IRC[21:41:28] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:41:31] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris[21:41:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi[21:42:03] *** stewart has quit IRC[21:42:11] <e^ipi> okiedokie then[21:42:20] <e^ipi> so, just fyi... "virsh attach-interface <domain name> < some etherstub device> " is poisonous[21:42:20] <lewellyn^> hiyas[21:45:04] <ikarius> hrmf. peeving that they don't come out and specify the chipsets involved in http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/BAREBONE_SERVERS.html[21:45:49] <ikarius> if I could run solaris on it and present the drives to ZFS JBOD-style, it would be mad-cool.[21:46:04] <ikarius> but hard to determine when they don't provide chipset specs[21:46:21] <lewellyn^> bah. can't deal with links in this client. lame.[21:47:11] <ikarius> summary of it: low-power toaster-size PC w/ dual-core atom mobo and 5 SATA drive trays[21:47:48] <lewellyn^> for $200? :)[21:47:50] <ikarius> unfortunately it appears they're using some sort of fake-raid card in it[21:48:08] <ikarius> 289 british lbs[21:48:22] <tsoome> toaster size and 5 drive?! what kind of toaster?![21:48:57] <lewellyn^> 12 slices[21:49:29] <e^ipi> whatever, supermicro's been making a disk box that does that for years[21:49:38] <e^ipi> glue an atom board on top, same thing[21:49:39] <tsoome> toasting?[21:49:52] <e^ipi> that said, it's probably a SATA port multiplexer, which aren't supported[21:50:04] <ikarius> tsoome: follow the link[21:50:07] <lewellyn^> 5 x 2.5" drives?[21:50:13] <ikarius> 5x3.5"[21:50:17] <piwi> ikarius: http://green-pcs.co.uk/2009/01/28/tranquil-bbs2-those-pci-cards/[21:50:42] <e^ipi> http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30786&vpn=CSE-M35T-1B&manufacture=SuperMicro[21:50:45] <e^ipi> that thing[21:50:46] <lewellyn^> not in something the size of my toaster...[21:50:57] <e^ipi> plus an atom board[21:52:50] <ikarius> e^ipi: I have looked and looked for a shoebox form-factor case which had 3x5.25" external bays. nothing smaller than a mini-tower exists, so far as I can tell[21:52:57] <tsoome> oh...[21:53:06] *** gil has joined #opensolaris[21:53:11] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris[21:53:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig[21:54:30] <ikarius> piwi: ahah. siliconimage.... sucky as I expected. tho given it's simply a pci card, the possibility something reasonable could be used exists.[21:54:30] <e^ipi> yes, forgive my lack of interest in asthetics[21:54:31] <SQlvpapir> I have two disks (320gb) in a non-redundant pool that I'd like to replace with one single 1tb harddrive. Replacing a single hdd is easy as pie, is there a feature that will migrate the data from two hhds to a singel?[21:54:33] *** cemerick has quit IRC[21:54:49] <gil> Hi all - I'm trying to install CIFS on opensolaris using the guide at http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Started_With_the_Solaris_CIFS_Service#How_to_Install_the_Solaris_CIFS_Service_Software_.28OpenSolaris.29 but I cannot install the package as described: pkg install SUNWsmbskr gives me a "did not match any packages in the current catalog" error. Anybody know what I need to do to get this to install?[21:54:55] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[21:55:06] *** ken1 is now known as ken-ae[21:55:09] <ikarius> e^ipi: I care about aesthetics for a home server. call me a heretic ;)[21:55:16] <e^ipi> gil: try SUNWsmbsk[21:55:29] <e^ipi> ikarius: mine lives in a closet *shrug*[21:56:08] <lewellyn^> pci card + 5 drives = larger than a toaster[21:56:20] <piwi> ikarius: should be no problem, but watch the form-factor[21:56:37] <piwi> "real" sata cards may be bigger[21:57:12] <e^ipi> me, i'm looking at expanding the case to a 12 bay monster with a bunch of 3 bay -> 4 disk hotswap miniracks[21:57:23] <gil> e^ipi no joy with SUNWsmbsk either :( Do I need to add a different repository?[21:58:32] <e^ipi> gil: shouldn't the smb server already be installed?[21:59:12] <e^ipi> just enable svc:/network/smb/server and then set the sharesmb property on whatever volume[21:59:59] <ikarius> all I can say is that the form-factor on that case is drop-dead sexy to me. load solaris on it and it's my ideal home-server[22:00:38] <piwi> the packages name is pkg:/SUNWsmbskr at 0 dot 5.11-0.109[22:00:47] <gil> e^ipi I was hoping it would be already installed, but when I tried svcadm enable -r smb/server I got a 'smb/server' pattern doesn't match any instances error :-/[22:01:15] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[22:01:25] <e^ipi> SUNWsmbs ?[22:01:29] <e^ipi> and smbfs[22:01:32] <e^ipi> err, SUNWsmbfs[22:02:06] <piwi> isn't smbs the "normal" samba?[22:03:20] <piwi> sorry, it's smba[22:03:29] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[22:04:01] <gil> e^ipi okay thanks for your help - I've done a bit of poking around, and it appears I have SUNWsmbfs and SUNWsmbfskr installed[22:04:11] <gil> is that going to be all I need?[22:04:19] <nrubsig> jmcp: ping![22:04:25] <piwi> SUNWsmbs too[22:04:36] <nrubsig> Does anyone know when B111 will be out ?[22:06:21] <lewellyn^> week and a half or so for sxce[22:06:21] *** H0liday|Lab has joined #opensolaris[22:07:27] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[22:07:40] <gil> piwi thanks[22:09:37] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[22:10:27] <gil> ugh - SUNWsmbs still gives me a "pattern does not match any packages in the current catalog" error *despite* the fact that it is listed in the Package Manager GUI! Does anybody know how this could possibly be?[22:13:40] *** bgupta has quit IRC[22:13:59] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[22:16:57] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[22:21:20] *** urbanmonk has quit IRC[22:23:17] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[22:26:17] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[22:26:40] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:28:24] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[22:29:56] <LouisJB_> hi, to install the latest NetBeans 6.5 IDE from the pkg system, which is the right package out of so many to choose from, anyone know?[22:30:49] <pjfloyd> LouisJB_: I've always downloaded it directly[22:31:17] *** thebentzone_ has joined #opensolaris[22:31:49] <darth4> once i add a new share in /etc/dfs/dfstab and enable it with 'shareall', will i have to do anything additional to access the share from a windows xp box?[22:32:03] <e^ipi> SUNWnetbeans-ide[22:32:05] <e^ipi> ?[22:32:18] <e^ipi> darth4: why would you? zfs set sharesmb=on[22:32:26] <LouisJB_> I was thinking doing it from the pkg system would keep it up to date - but thinking about it, Netbeans doesn't really work like that anyway does it, say 6.5 will be a separate install to 7[22:32:48] <darth4> because the dev box is a windows machine ;/[22:32:57] <LouisJB_> e^ipi - what verson will that give though? 6, 6.1, 6.5, 6.7?[22:33:15] <e^ipi> darth4: that doesn't answer the question[22:33:20] <e^ipi> why are you using dfstab instead of zfs[22:33:34] <e^ipi> LouisJB_: looks like 6.0.1[22:33:34] <darth4> because i'm a noob and don't know what the right thing is to use[22:33:48] <e^ipi> 6.1 on dev/[22:33:58] <e^ipi> darth4: the right thing to use is the zfs native commands[22:33:58] <LouisJB_> I thnk the SUNW package are being deprecated, or not?[22:34:08] <piwi> gil: what does package authority say?[22:34:10] <e^ipi> eventually[22:34:26] *** alexus has quit IRC[22:34:32] <e^ipi> the timeline for that is *shrug*[22:34:58] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[22:35:50] <tek-ops> ok, i'll be back with benchmarks tomorrow[22:35:53] <pjfloyd> darth4: any reason for not downloading from www.netbeans.org?[22:36:03] *** Vonor is now known as Vonoff[22:36:09] *** tosh has quit IRC[22:36:11] <gil> piwi would you be able to talk me through how I would give you an answer to that?[22:36:44] <darth4> what do you mean floyd[22:37:00] <piwi> open a shell and write pkg authority[22:37:05] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[22:37:10] <LouisJB_> pjfloyd: this is probably the way to go, can't make total sense of the packages anyway[22:37:17] <piwi> and paste the output eg to http://www.pastealacon.com/[22:37:19] *** taltamir has quit IRC[22:37:35] *** thebentzone_ has quit IRC[22:37:36] *** thebentzone has quit IRC[22:37:57] <gil> piwi opensolaris.org (preferred) http://pkg.opensolaris.org/release/[22:38:27] <piwi> ok, so nothing special. should find the SUNWsmbs package there.[22:38:46] <piwi> install the package from gui?[22:38:58] <pjfloyd> darth4: open a web browser at www.netbeans.org, click "Download Netbeans IDE", choose your version, download it, execute it[22:39:07] <gil> piwi tried that, and got a fail for the same reason[22:39:16] <piwi> strange[22:40:03] <gil> indeed - beginning to wonder if it's a bug even - using a 2009.06 developer build (48 hours old)[22:41:23] <seanmcg> gil, cat /etc/release[22:42:02] <seanmcg> you appear to have a later version of opensolaris than what your prefered IPSrepo has.[22:43:03] <gil> seanmcg OpenSolaris 2009.06 snv_109 X86[22:43:07] <seanmcg> pkg.opensolaris.org/release would have build 101 bits, where as 2009.06 (latest) would have build 109.[22:43:37] *** sarkoman has joined #opensolaris[22:43:44] <seanmcg> so you're trying to install older bits that what you have installed.[22:43:54] <darth4> what does an IDE have to do with me setting up zfs network shares[22:43:59] <gil> is there a way of forcing what I need to install? Would that be a bad idea if so?[22:44:17] <e^ipi> darth4: you aren't the centre of the world.[22:44:24] <seanmcg> change your preferred IPS repo to point to http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev[22:44:36] *** tek-ops has quit IRC[22:44:45] <gil> seanmcg thanks![22:44:47] <darth4> e^ipi, i was reccomended to download an IDE to fix my problem, im just asking why[22:44:56] <gil> piwi / e^ipi thanks for all of your help too[22:45:19] * gil misses Conary[22:45:38] *** thebentzone has joined #opensolaris[22:45:44] *** bubbva has quit IRC[22:46:08] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[22:46:29] <piwi> seanmcg: are the dev isos pointing to release repo?[22:46:42] <pjfloyd> darth4: I'm not paying attention, I meant LouisJB_[22:46:52] <piwi> seems like a bug to me, at least when its not the final version[22:47:29] <seanmcg> piwi, theres a bug (or few) about the dev isos pointing to /dev or to /release, search defect.opensolaris.org for the gritty details.[22:48:05] <piwi> ok, thanks for the pointer. haven't seen this yet, because of regular upgrades from dev repo[22:48:09] <LouisJB_> thanks everyone, I'm just going to download the IDE from the site and install normally...[22:49:50] *** H0liday|Lab has left #opensolaris[22:54:31] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:57:38] *** estibi has quit IRC[23:06:35] <codestr0m> Anyone know the cost of the course for the training that Max is doing in Poland in May... I'm a bit reluctant to just email and inquire[23:07:36] <codestr0m> Systemics Poland (http://www.systemics.pl) and Bruning Systems (http://www.bruningsystems.com) are holding an OpenSolaris Internals class on May 4-8 at the Systemics site in Warsaw. The course will be taught in English.[23:07:45] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[23:10:20] <darth4> here is my exact problem, any ideas? http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?forumID=864&threadID=5361869[23:11:23] <CosmicDJ> darth4: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2429[23:11:43] <darth4> thanks[23:11:44] *** Dorfo1 has joined #opensolaris[23:12:13] <CosmicDJ> darth4: OTOH, if you want to use samba, you don't need to set sharesmb and just follow any of the samba howtos on the net[23:12:51] *** koberoi has quit IRC[23:12:59] <darth4> so to use sharesmb=on i need CIFS ?[23:13:19] <Dorfo1> hey, i have just configured my interfaces with nwam, and i cant do a ping -s .... it takes a looooooooooooooong time to reply ping to my internal net... i have configured /etc/nwam/llp with static ip, all the netmasks[23:13:28] <Dorfo1> what else i could try to do?[23:13:39] <darth4> traceroute maybe[23:14:05] <Dorfo1> and after?[23:15:03] <Dorfo1> taking too long the traceroute[23:15:35] <darth4> not to sure, you got the right drivers i presume[23:15:47] <lewellyn^> it still sounds like nameservice resolution to me[23:15:55] *** SQlvpapir__ has joined #opensolaris[23:15:56] *** piwi has quit IRC[23:16:01] *** timeless_mbp has joined #opensolaris[23:16:17] <Dorfo1> lewellynmay be it is.... but i have checked my /etc/hosts[23:16:27] *** brett_ has left #opensolaris[23:16:30] <Dorfo1> darth4: yeah the drivers areok[23:16:44] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[23:16:47] <codestr0m> would anyone from @sun with access to http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/* be able to pastie a du -sh for the size of those.. thanks[23:18:02] <timeless_mbp> codestr0m: all of them?\[23:18:19] <codestr0m> timeless_mbp: for completeness.. yes all of them[23:18:26] <timeless_mbp> i have hg clones of some stuff elsewhere if you don't mind somewhat stale versions[23:19:01] <Dorfo1> lewellyn^: i have my /etc/hosts this way 127.0.0.1 loghost 192.x.x.x example example.home[23:19:15] <codestr0m> timeless_mbp: relative numbers are ok.. I may script to clone all of them to check, but wanted to know a size before doing so.. and especially before pushing to the mirroring stuff we have setup[23:19:23] <lewellyn^> can you ping example?[23:19:38] <Dorfo1> llemme check[23:19:47] <darth4> shouldn't it be "127.0.0.1 localhost"[23:19:49] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[23:19:53] <darth4> instead of loghost[23:20:04] <lewellyn^> both[23:20:25] <lewellyn^> but that's hopefully irrelevant[23:20:30] <Dorfo1> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.example.home loghost[23:20:37] <Dorfo1> ?[23:20:41] <Dorfo1> this way?[23:21:02] <lewellyn^> no fqdn, usually[23:21:21] <Dorfo1> just localhost loghost?[23:21:38] <lewellyn^> ya[23:22:01] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[23:22:17] <Dorfo1> done that lemme try again here[23:25:55] *** Reepicheep has left #opensolaris[23:26:18] <Dorfo1> nope[23:26:21] <Dorfo1> nothing[23:27:01] <Dorfo1> nothing else to try?[23:28:41] <axisys> seanmcg: thanks a lot[23:28:49] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[23:29:00] <axisys> seanmcg: sorry about the 2 hr late response ;-) ..[23:29:20] *** Dorfo1 has quit IRC[23:29:46] *** Dorfo1 has joined #opensolaris[23:30:18] <Dorfo1> lewellyn^: cant get it working.... maybe a fresh install?[23:30:51] *** myosound has quit IRC[23:31:28] <codestr0m> timeless_mbp: http://mxr.mozilla.org/os/os-devpro/source/ == 404[23:31:42] * timeless_mbp looks[23:31:45] <timeless_mbp> oh[23:31:50] <timeless_mbp> wait, did it say "go away"?[23:32:05] <timeless_mbp> if it sent you to the mxr.mozilla.org server, then it's confused[23:32:26] <codestr0m> timeless_mbp: This service is for mozilla.org community members interested in testing development of MXR If you can't figure out to whom you need to contact in order to be whitelisted for this service, then you aren't the target audience. Please bother someone else. You could try directing your request to the public mxr.mozilla.org server.[23:32:32] *** vitorio has joined #opensolaris[23:32:38] <timeless_mbp> yeah, gimme a bit[23:34:17] <Dorfo1> lewellyn^: do i need to activate inetd services?[23:37:59] <Dorfo1> ?[23:39:03] *** jamesbrink has joined #opensolaris[23:39:51] <jamesbrink> anyone know where i can find instructions on installing vlc or mplayer on opensolaris2008.11?[23:40:32] *** m3lling has quit IRC[23:42:05] *** backblue has joined #opensolaris[23:42:09] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: i suspect your configuration is wrong, still.[23:42:20] <backblue> hi, does opensolaris normal dvd have xen support?[23:42:27] <Dorfo1> so, what else i need todo?[23:42:32] <lewellyn> can you ping your name server listed in resolv.conf? are you using nsswitch.dns as your template for nsswitch.conf?[23:42:37] <darth4> Dorfo: you need to check out /var/svc/log network logs[23:42:46] <Dorfo1> yeah[23:42:48] <darth4> mauye some answers in there[23:42:50] <lewellyn> darth4: that's the next step :)[23:42:51] <Dorfo1> i am using it[23:42:58] <lewellyn> first check the obvious ;)[23:43:13] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: can you nslookup www.google.com your.name.server.here ?[23:43:21] <Vagrant> jamesbrink: README and INSTALL? ;)[23:43:23] <Dorfo1> no lewellyn^ i ping -s and it takes toooo long to answer[23:43:48] <Dorfo1> nope too[23:43:54] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[23:43:56] <Dorfo1> nslookup doesnt work too[23:44:12] <lewellyn> what is your nameserver?[23:44:15] <jamesbrink> Vagrant, nothing compiles on here[23:44:22] <Dorfo1> my resolv.conf is domain xxxx.home[23:44:30] <lewellyn> no nameserver line?[23:44:31] <Dorfo1> and nameserver my router[23:44:35] <Vagrant> jamesbrink: any errors?[23:44:41] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:44:42] <Dorfo1> nameserver 192.x.x.x[23:44:42] <lewellyn> try an external, known-good dns server like 4.2.2.1[23:44:56] <jamesbrink> well first off i need ffmpeg, but i am lost on that[23:45:00] <Dorfo1> how?[23:45:01] <jamesbrink> the configure just exits[23:45:03] <lewellyn> it wouldn't be the first time that a router's had an almost-compliant nameserver[23:45:12] <lewellyn> change the nameserver line to read 4.2.2.1[23:45:20] <jamesbrink> does vlc actually compile on opensolaris without issues?[23:45:45] <lewellyn> yes[23:46:01] <lewellyn> i built it from sfe[23:46:38] <Dorfo1> i am using the opendns to test[23:46:52] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[23:46:57] <Dorfo1> and the issue stills[23:47:21] <jamesbrink> lewellyn, maybe you can help me with SFE? my logs just kept saying that cc could not create executables[23:47:23] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: use 4.2.2.1. it's a very-well-maintained dns server ideal for testing things like this[23:47:30] <lewellyn> jamesbrink: you have sun studio installed?[23:47:32] <Dorfo1> mdns isnt needed is it?[23:47:42] <lewellyn> mdns is irrelevant to this, Dorfo1[23:47:46] <jamesbrink> the sunstudio express from the IPS[23:48:16] <jamesbrink> i can make a helloworld.c and it compiles it fine[23:48:17] <Dorfo1> yeah i know[23:48:20] <lewellyn> jamesbrink: um. i use sxce, so i can't advise as to what to do to make the IPS one work[23:48:30] <Dorfo1> its because it comes with nsswitch.dns[23:48:42] <Dorfo1> not even this nameserver is working lewellyn[23:48:48] <lewellyn> you're sourcing the proper script in the build shell, jamesbrink ?[23:49:04] <Dorfo1> its very weird... i cant ping any ip in my int_lan[23:49:07] <Dorfo1> :/[23:49:10] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: then you have a deeper issue. you never pasted the default gateway line earlier[23:49:52] <jamesbrink> lewellyn, im not sure i know what you mean? i ran the env.sh that was installed with jdsbld package[23:50:08] <darth4> have you set your internal router IP ok in the config[23:50:22] <darth4> internal gateway[23:50:24] <Dorfo1> lewellyn but at the fresh install i could ping even using the physical:default[23:50:39] <lewellyn> i'm not logged into a machine with sfe, so i can't give details :P[23:50:52] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: could or could not?[23:51:24] <Dorfo1> could what?[23:51:35] <jamesbrink> lewellyn, you know what i think i excuted the env.sh wrong[23:51:41] <jamesbrink> im gona try again[23:51:51] <Dorfo1> my /etc/defaultrouter is 192.168.1.1[23:52:00] <Dorfo1> my internal router' s ip[23:52:09] <Vagrant> jamesbrink: http://wiki.videolan.org/UnixCompile[23:52:11] *** bubbva has quit IRC[23:52:23] <lewellyn> 15:52 < Dorfo1> lewellyn but at the fresh install i could ping even using the physical:default[23:52:26] <lewellyn> could or could not?[23:52:32] <jamesbrink> i used to just get it from lifewithsolaris but itsno longer available =([23:52:44] <Dorfo1> could[23:52:45] <lewellyn> Dorfo1: what does netstat -nr say for the default line(s)?[23:52:57] <lewellyn> if you could, how did you break it? :)[23:53:02] <lewellyn> jamesbrink: thank lawyers[23:53:40] <Dorfo1> shows destination:default gateway 192.168.1.1 flags UG ref 1 use 3 interface bge0[23:54:13] <Dorfo1> destination:192.168.1.0 gateway 192.168.1.4 (my lappy ip) ....[23:54:34] <Dorfo1> and dest: 127.0.0.1 gw 127.0.0.1[23:54:36] <Dorfo1> ...[23:54:41] <Dorfo1> something wrong?[23:54:49] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[23:54:59] <lewellyn> that looks fine[23:55:13] <lewellyn> but if you had it working at a default install, why'd you break it? :P[23:55:28] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[23:56:29] * lewellyn eats the nacho[23:56:34] <Dorfo1> i have no idea, i disabled somw services i judged useless like mdns (but now i backed it again) inetd ssh server and avahi bonjour...[23:56:59] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[23:57:24] <lewellyn> :P[23:57:54] <Dorfo1> did i mess something? i guess not indeed[23:58:27] <seanmcg> you didn't disable name-services too ?-)[23:58:39] <Dorfo1> nope[23:58:51] <Dorfo1> name-services are untouched