March 21, 2009 
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March 21, 2009 [00:02:44] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[00:06:55] *** vitorio has quit IRC[00:11:08] <seanmcg> uadmin can be used to suspend..[00:12:18] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[00:12:44] *** myosound has quit IRC[00:14:35] <seanmcg> some good blog entries on using uadmin from blogs.sun.com[00:16:03] *** jeiworth has quit IRC[00:16:30] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC[00:19:45] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[00:20:52] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[00:21:07] *** luc^ has quit IRC[00:22:57] *** servo-- has joined #opensolaris[00:23:45] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[00:24:53] *** scoffin has quit IRC[00:25:41] *** wizeman has quit IRC[00:25:53] *** wizeman has joined #opensolaris[00:27:01] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:27:12] <gretel> can't i install packages at a remote http location directly?[00:29:32] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[00:30:48] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[00:31:17] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris[00:31:35] *** servo- has quit IRC[00:35:22] *** gnut has quit IRC[00:38:38] *** Mr|Dave has joined #opensolaris[00:41:03] *** esok has quit IRC[00:41:07] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[00:41:08] <Mr|Dave> I'm coming from Linux, trying to figure out how to get disk information on a system. Usually I can do something like "fdisk -l" which rosetta above says should be "prtvtoc" but that expects me to already know the disk names. "prtvtoc /dev/dsk/*" seems like it might be what I want, but doesn't list disk sizes... I would have to manually calculate each one. Is there some easier way to do this? Thanks...[00:42:53] <jbk> hmm.. kstat might have it, but translating the sdXXX -> cXtYdZ names is annoying[00:43:38] *** lathiat has quit IRC[00:43:39] <Mr|Dave> I don't care what the names are, it would just be nice to see disk name, disk size, partitions on the disk (like fdisk -l)[00:43:42] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:45:19] <crichardso> cant u just find that info with format?[00:45:23] *** bs66_1 has joined #opensolaris[00:47:34] *** darth4 has joined #opensolaris[00:49:13] <Mr|Dave> maybe, but I don't know how[00:49:24] <Mr|Dave> when I do format, I get a listing with things like "0. c4d0 <DEFAULT cyl 60798 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63> \ /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci-ide@0/ide@0/cmdk@0,0"[00:49:28] <Mr|Dave> not exactly very helpful[00:49:45] <trygvis> it is asking you to select a drive[00:49:47] <trygvis> type "0"[00:49:52] <trygvis> then "p" and "p" again[00:50:06] <communicator> or just "ve" instead[00:50:20] <Mr|Dave> It gives me an error about not having the right table, probably because these are new, clean disks[00:50:41] <Mr|Dave> ve doesn't seem to do anything[00:50:44] *** cwebber has quit IRC[00:51:06] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[00:52:48] <communicator> what linux distro were you used to?[00:53:19] *** noyb_ has quit IRC[00:53:22] <Mr|Dave> debian and rhel[00:54:04] *** ryankrizan has joined #opensolaris[00:54:23] <ryankrizan> Anyone know how to change the applications menu icon? I want to do a custom icon versus the opensolaris logo[00:55:11] <communicator> Mr|Dave:. does it give you a menu to choose anything after you choose a disk?[00:55:39] <Mr|Dave> yes, it gives me a long menu with ~20 items that include the p for partition like trygvis mentioned above[00:55:41] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[00:56:01] <communicator> what do you get when you type "ve" into that menu?[00:56:21] <Mr|Dave> WARNING - This disk may be in use by an application that has modified the fdisk table. Ensure that this disk is not currently in use before proceeding to use fdisk.[00:56:55] *** catch23 has left #opensolaris[00:56:58] <Mr|Dave> I get that on all the new disks[00:58:04] <Mr|Dave> the only i've been able to figure out is that c5d0 is the disk solaris is installed to, because i can do "zpool status" and it's listed under there[00:58:32] <Mr|Dave> when i print the partition tables on that though, it shows the wrong disk size[00:58:48] <Mr|Dave> there must be some utility that knows how big the actual disks are[00:58:57] <communicator> ok then do fdisk[00:58:59] <trygvis> fdisk[00:59:03] <communicator> on the format prompt[01:00:15] <communicator> then after you choose to create the solaris partition try "ve" again[01:00:24] <Mr|Dave> but i'm not sure i want to create anything yet[01:00:30] <Mr|Dave> there are many disks[01:00:33] <Mr|Dave> and i don't know which is which[01:00:37] <Mr|Dave> because i can't see how big they are[01:00:55] *** TT has quit IRC[01:01:02] <communicator> try iostat -E on the shell prompt perhaps?[01:01:05] *** bs66_ has quit IRC[01:01:12] <Mr|Dave> my goal is to make a test zfs pool mirror of 2 1tb disks[01:01:21] <communicator> dunno if it will help you though[01:01:21] <Mr|Dave> oh hey!![01:01:29] <Mr|Dave> well[01:01:31] <Mr|Dave> interesting[01:01:39] <Mr|Dave> step in the right direction[01:01:50] <Mr|Dave> i get stuff like "Model: WDC WD10EADS-00 Revision: Serial No: WD-WCAU456 Size: 1000.20GB <1000202305536 bytes>" now[01:01:59] <Mr|Dave> which at least means something somewhere knows the disk size[01:02:30] <trygvis> there's also cfgadm[01:02:40] *** digimano2 has quit IRC[01:02:44] <Mr|Dave> that only lists usb devices it seems like[01:03:19] <trygvis> hm, might be. depends on your controller driver[01:03:28] <Mr|Dave> fair enough[01:03:42] <Mr|Dave> some of the disks are on a pci card, some are directly on the motherboard[01:03:58] *** ikarius has quit IRC[01:03:59] <trygvis> prtconf might be useful too[01:04:08] *** digimano1 has joined #opensolaris[01:04:16] <Mr|Dave> hey, this is interesting[01:04:22] <trygvis> prtconf -v too perhaps[01:05:20] <Mr|Dave> if i can limit prtconf to specific device classes maybe[01:05:27] <trygvis> yay grep :)[01:05:41] <Mr|Dave> hehe[01:05:54] <Mr|Dave> wtf[01:05:54] <Mr|Dave> right[01:05:57] <Mr|Dave> not gnu grep[01:06:24] <Mr|Dave> so much for grep -A5 ide[01:06:53] <communicator> well have you identified which ones you can erase?[01:07:04] <Mr|Dave> no, i need to figure out how to use this funky grep[01:09:24] <Mr|Dave> ok, so the manpage for grep lists completely different options than the actual grep installed[01:09:47] <Mr|Dave> i want to do "grep -A5 ide" but there is no -A option in the installed grep[01:09:57] <monsted> gnu grep vs. Sun grep :)[01:10:10] <Mr|Dave> so it seems[01:10:17] <Mr|Dave> are the gnu versions installed too?[01:10:18] <monsted> try ggrep[01:10:23] *** mustang has joined #opensolaris[01:10:25] <Mr|Dave> oh, nice[01:11:13] <Mr|Dave> this is much nicer[01:12:44] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[01:14:43] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris[01:15:03] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[01:15:28] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[01:15:40] <communicator> well[01:16:18] <communicator> as a last resort you can always cross reference the sd id of iostat -E with /etc/path_to_inst and then cross that one with the path displayed on each disk by the format menu[01:17:13] <Mr|Dave> i think i need to read up on how device paths are created[01:17:29] *** ryankrizan has quit IRC[01:17:30] <Mr|Dave> in some places my disks are labeled cmdk2, cmdk3, etc[01:17:38] *** gretel has quit IRC[01:17:40] <Mr|Dave> and then in others everyone is cmdk@0,0[01:17:49] <communicator> ok grep for cmdk on /etc/path_to_inst[01:18:20] <communicator> the corresponding paths will match those given by the format command (disk selection)[01:18:41] <Mr|Dave> right[01:18:42] <oninoshiko> Mr|Dave: try "iostat -xn"[01:19:00] *** cambazz has joined #opensolaris[01:19:08] <cambazz> hello. how do I start the kernel debugging mode[01:19:10] <Mr|Dave> iostat -xn doesn't match which device to what real thing[01:19:23] <Mr|Dave> format cmdks do match /etc/path_to_inst[01:19:32] <cambazz> my solaris box does not start properly. but only sometimes. if there is a reset, it starts ok[01:19:33] <Mr|Dave> but nothing matches it to the iostat -E info[01:19:33] *** gm152 has quit IRC[01:19:46] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[01:19:52] *** lathiat has joined #opensolaris[01:20:04] <xRaich[o]2x> cambazz: boot with -kd[01:20:31] <hrist> moin xRaich[o]2x[01:20:38] <xRaich[o]2x> hey hrist sup?[01:20:41] <communicator> Mr|Dave:. it does, for example[01:20:46] <hrist> xRaich[o]2x: fiddling with distcc[01:20:53] <xRaich[o]2x> uh fun :P[01:20:55] <hrist> no[01:21:00] <hrist> :)[01:21:06] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm being ironic ;)[01:21:17] <communicator> grep cmdk /etc/path_to_inst gives me "/pci@0,0/pci-ide@7,1/ide@1/cmdk@0,0" 0 "cmdk"[01:21:30] <Mr|Dave> yeah, but how do you know which disk that is in your system?[01:21:47] <communicator> at the end you get the 0 before the cmdk which means it's referring to cmdk0[01:21:52] <communicator> then at format[01:21:55] <Mr|Dave> aha[01:22:39] <cambazz> how do I make my system is current, and refresh the software repository[01:24:02] <communicator> pci@0,0/pci-ide@7,1/ide@1/cmdk@0,0 shows up bellow my disk 0[01:24:10] <Mr|Dave> right[01:24:12] <Mr|Dave> so these devices like /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,1/ide@0/cmdk@0,0[01:24:18] <Mr|Dave> "format /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,1/ide@0/cmdk@0,0" doesn't work[01:24:30] <Mr|Dave> how I can tell it just to open that one?[01:24:31] <communicator> no, just check the path after you issue format[01:24:35] <Mr|Dave> hehe[01:24:35] <Mr|Dave> ok[01:24:43] <Mr|Dave> it's just hard to match[01:24:46] <communicator> and then choose the corresponding disk on the menu[01:24:48] <Mr|Dave> right[01:25:03] <Mr|Dave> i'd just rather not make a mistake[01:25:08] <Mr|Dave> ok[01:25:08] <communicator> for every disk that shows up you get the corresponding physical path bellow[01:25:11] <Mr|Dave> yeah[01:25:11] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[01:25:12] *** gaveen has quit IRC[01:25:23] <oninoshiko> why are we not using c0t0d0 format?[01:25:33] <Mr|Dave> because i don't know which disk is c0t0d0 format[01:25:37] <Mr|Dave> err[01:25:40] <Mr|Dave> i don't know which disk is which[01:25:52] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[01:25:56] <oninoshiko> light it up by reading from it to /dev/null[01:26:08] <communicator> because we are probably not using scsi controllers[01:26:18] <Mr|Dave> yeah, only sata[01:26:28] <oninoshiko> sata uses the same format[01:26:39] <Mr|Dave> it shows up as ide on my system[01:26:42] <Mr|Dave> maybe a cheap controller[01:26:58] <Mr|Dave> which is the point of zfs anyway, right?[01:27:04] <Mr|Dave> cheap controllers and all that jazz[01:27:13] <oninoshiko> ok, then it's c1d0 (i think)[01:27:18] <communicator> yes, some cheap controllers dont bring the "string" part.... eeeh... just kidding...[01:27:23] <oninoshiko> or whatever numbers are appropriate[01:27:51] <oninoshiko> you sould still be able to use dd to light up the drive light on it[01:28:01] <Mr|Dave> no drive lights[01:28:02] <communicator> so Mr|Dave can we start to clean those drives? :)[01:28:04] <Mr|Dave> yeah[01:28:18] <Mr|Dave> do i need to format them if i'm just going to stick them in a zfs pool?[01:28:31] <Mr|Dave> now that i know which disks they are, i'm a lot better off than i was before[01:28:31] <communicator> nope[01:28:39] <Mr|Dave> which is really all i was trying to figure out[01:28:43] <communicator> in that case just choose the ones you want to put under a zfs pool[01:28:45] <Mr|Dave> and it's really appreciated[01:28:47] <Mr|Dave> yeah[01:29:12] <Mr|Dave> i was just trying to figure out which disks were the set of 1TB ones vs everything else[01:29:38] <communicator> and then just... zpool create <disk1> <disk2> (not getting into the specific layout details yet)[01:29:52] <communicator> zpool create poolname <disks>[01:29:56] <Mr|Dave> right[01:30:02] <Mr|Dave> i think i can follow the regular tutorials now[01:30:07] <Mr|Dave> i just had no idea which disks to specify[01:30:23] <communicator> ok good luck then[01:30:27] <Mr|Dave> thank you[01:30:34] <communicator> hope you enjoy it :)[01:30:38] <Mr|Dave> i suppose, since i'm here and have people to harass[01:30:50] <Mr|Dave> right now there are 2x 500s and 2x 1000s in the system[01:30:57] <Mr|Dave> eventually i'm going to replace the 2x 500s with 2x 1000s[01:31:06] <oninoshiko> doesn't the emulated ide have... undesireable performance charictorestics?[01:31:07] <Mr|Dave> and then later add 2 more 1000s[01:31:17] <Mr|Dave> with all this removing and adding[01:31:26] <Mr|Dave> and evidently zfs won't let you remove a disk from a pool[01:31:35] <Mr|Dave> does it seem like multiple mirrors makes the most sense?[01:31:56] <Mr|Dave> and then when i upgrade, pop out a 500, add 1000, let it fix itself, then remove the other 500 and replace with a 1000?[01:32:44] <Mr|Dave> i'd like to maintain at least 2 copies of everything and usually i'm a raid1 guy[01:33:52] <communicator> hmmm[01:34:21] <Mr|Dave> i don't want a giant pool of disks if i can't remove some of them later[01:34:50] <Mr|Dave> maybe i even want separate pools, just in case i need to export to a different system[01:36:02] <communicator> well maybe you should really start there, on how many pools you really want in the end[01:36:25] <Mr|Dave> i can't remove part of a pool later, right?[01:36:30] <Mr|Dave> that seems to be what i read everywhere in faqs[01:37:02] <Mr|Dave> so i guess i want 1 mirrored pool per set of disks[01:37:09] <rv-> right now u can't remove a disc from a pool if there's no redundancy[01:37:37] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[01:37:54] <e1kg> Anyone compiled crypot++ with SSX0903? how much size?[01:37:59] <rv-> a cool thing u can do to test your solution out is to create pools based on dummy files and see what u can/can't do[01:38:22] <e1kg> sorry, crypto++.[01:38:33] <Mr|Dave> yeah, that's what i'm doing now[01:38:37] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[01:38:44] <oninoshiko> a later release may support that removing vdevs, but its not there yet[01:40:45] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[01:41:06] *** stux|RC-only has quit IRC[01:41:08] *** mega_ has quit IRC[01:41:25] *** stux|RC-only has joined #opensolaris[01:41:39] *** crichardso has left #opensolaris[01:41:43] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris[01:42:34] *** CoolMa has left #opensolaris[01:42:39] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:46:10] *** stevel has quit IRC[01:49:09] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[01:50:15] *** niq has quit IRC[01:52:07] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:52:10] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[01:52:20] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris[01:52:56] <RandalSchwartz> webmink![01:53:12] <webmink> Whoa![01:53:16] <webmink> Randal![01:53:40] <RandalSchwartz> im cutting stonehenge.com over to opensol in ec2[01:53:50] <RandalSchwartz> so im here to get info[01:53:51] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[01:53:57] <webmink> Awesome![01:54:12] <webmink> There ought to be the folk who can help hanging out here, for sure[01:54:25] <RandalSchwartz> blame aaron newcomb[01:54:25] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[01:54:42] <RandalSchwartz> he was on fw a few weeks ago about zfs[01:54:59] <RandalSchwartz> but also showed off opensol[01:55:04] <webmink> Excellent[01:55:12] <webmink> I bet your domain name will be in demand soon: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/stonehenge.html[01:55:30] <RandalSchwartz> yeah saw that[01:55:45] <RandalSchwartz> im tyoing one hand[01:55:53] <RandalSchwartz> surgery yesterday[01:55:57] <RandalSchwartz> typing[01:56:27] <webmink> It's Microsoft's project at Apache[01:56:34] <RandalSchwartz> yeah[02:00:58] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[02:02:23] <RandalSchwartz> the trick is that i havent managed solaris for 15 years, and haven't done ec2[02:02:35] <RandalSchwartz> so i have to learn it all from scratch[02:03:15] <RandalSchwartz> lucily, some basic faqs already in place[02:06:06] *** FurnaceBoy has joined #opensolaris[02:06:35] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[02:07:51] *** webmink has quit IRC[02:09:57] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[02:12:51] *** throatwarbler has quit IRC[02:13:23] <elektronkind> man, I'd really like to give a piece of my mind to whoever invented PER... OH HEY THERE MR. SCHWARTZ![02:13:42] <FurnaceBoy> he's not here, try #perl6 :)[02:13:56] <FurnaceBoy> actually try Perl6 anyway :)[02:13:59] <elektronkind> heh[02:14:09] *** evocallaghan1 has joined #opensolaris[02:14:57] <evocallaghan1> Hey, ok turning off the x server does not help my resume problem. Is there any way to log what is going on so I can debug it?[02:16:15] *** zGhost has quit IRC[02:17:12] *** rv- has quit IRC[02:20:33] *** sahX has quit IRC[02:20:58] *** FrostCS has quit IRC[02:43:23] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[02:45:19] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[02:47:13] *** jteo has quit IRC[02:51:17] *** _xor has joined #opensolaris[02:51:20] <_xor> hi hi :)[02:51:34] <trichobezoar> I am a hairball.[02:51:36] <_xor> I need some help, badly :([02:51:41] <_xor> Ok, so here's the situation...[02:51:49] <_xor> I'm running SXCE/ZFS as my CIFS server.[02:52:00] <_xor> I was in the process of cleaning up the shares, etc.[02:52:15] <_xor> I didn't even touch rm, and somehow, all of the files in my home directory got wiped out.[02:52:37] <_xor> All I wanted to do was remove the share, rename the directory, configure the ACLs, and then re-add the shares.[02:53:17] <_xor> I tried sharemgr remove-share, and it said something about a configuration error.[02:53:22] <_xor> umount worked though.[02:53:33] <_xor> wait a second[02:54:06] <_xor> Hmm, I wonder if it's just unmounted, and I need to re-mount it.[02:54:12] <_xor> I'm not sure how I would go about doing it though?[02:54:44] <evocallaghan1> _xor: can you paste your `history` of the commands you ran please[02:54:57] <_xor> Well actually, good news :)[02:55:02] <_xor> I realized what I did[02:55:15] <_xor> It's its own ZFS file system, and I used umount. DUH[02:55:19] <_xor> I just did zfs list, and it's still there.[02:55:25] <_xor> I'm unsure how to remount i.[02:56:00] <trichobezoar> man page. zfs mount rpool/something, or zfs mount -a[02:56:35] <trichobezoar> How do you spell throat?[02:56:44] <_xor> Throat? :P[02:56:49] <_xor> Yeah, man'ing it up right now heh[02:59:52] <evocallaghan1> mount -F zfs rpool/foo /mnt[02:59:55] <evocallaghan1> Is another way[03:00:42] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[03:01:15] <dclarke> okay .. I officially have a doosy. A real brain twister to figure out[03:01:39] <dclarke> I had to restore a machine from backup .. the device paths .. are not flawless to say the least[03:01:52] <evocallaghan1> dclarke:Howdy[03:02:01] <dclarke> howdy[03:02:07] <dclarke> it boots and says The / file system (/devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw) is being checked.[03:02:12] <evocallaghan1> What's the problem buddy[03:02:14] <dclarke> Can't stat /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw[03:02:17] <dclarke> /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw: CAN'T CHECK FILE SYSTEM.[03:02:21] <dclarke> /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.[03:02:24] <dclarke> WARNING - Unable to repair the / filesystem. Run fsck[03:02:24] <dclarke> manually (fsck -F ufs /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw). Exit the shell when[03:02:27] <dclarke> done to continue the boot process.[03:02:28] <dclarke> that .. is nasty[03:02:43] <evocallaghan1> :O[03:02:47] <dclarke> and the root filesystem is in fact mounted[03:02:51] <dclarke> # df -ak[03:02:55] <dclarke> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on[03:03:00] <dclarke> /pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a 16523397 3953966 12238964 25% /[03:03:01] <evocallaghan1> hmm, can you fix the device paths with devfsadm -C ?[03:03:06] <dclarke> tried[03:03:17] <dclarke> first we have the issue that the root filesystem is mounted read only[03:03:26] <dclarke> # mount -F ufs -o remount,rw /[03:03:30] <dclarke> mount: /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a or /, no such file or directory[03:03:33] <evocallaghan1> Tried to bring the disk to another box and fsck it ?[03:03:48] <dclarke> actually I can boot the CDROM just fine and fsck is fine[03:03:54] <dclarke> the ufs filesystem is flawless[03:03:58] <dclarke> this is a device issue[03:04:00] <evocallaghan1> I see[03:04:44] <evocallaghan1> Can you dump the data and do a clean build then restore the data (slow way but may end up saving time?)[03:05:18] <dclarke> I have to work with the ufsdump in my hand[03:05:29] <dclarke> and I did a ufsrestore already[03:05:49] <dclarke> what really irks me[03:05:59] <dclarke> is that I am booted right now in single user mode[03:06:01] <dclarke> # df -F ufs -k[03:06:01] <dclarke> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on[03:06:04] <dclarke> /pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a 16523397 3953966 12238964 25% /[03:07:00] <dclarke> and that device node .. exists[03:07:01] <dclarke> # ls -lap /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a[03:07:02] <dclarke> brw-r----- 1 root sys 118, 8 Mar 20 20:32 /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a[03:07:28] <Doc> what's the root dev in /etc/system and/or /etc/vfstab?[03:07:33] <evocallaghan1> maybe there is a OS file that is missing and or broken ?[03:07:34] <Doc> remount that specifically[03:07:47] <dclarke> # uadmin 2 0[03:07:47] <dclarke> syncing file systems... done[03:07:47] <dclarke> Program terminated[03:07:47] <dclarke> {0} ok[03:08:03] <dclarke> I'll boot the cdrom again .. and then look into path_to_inst and the other stuff[03:08:26] <dclarke> these are .. gnarly issues I hate running into[03:08:37] <evocallaghan1> ah yes I was just about to say path_to should be looked at[03:08:59] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: I would have thought your be 100% zfs by now :O[03:09:10] <dclarke> in path_to_inst I am certain that I have entries for both qlc driver and fp driver that point to /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2 etc[03:09:28] <dclarke> evocallaghan1: this is a Solaris 9 machine to be upgrade to Sol 10[03:09:39] <dclarke> it has to be migrated from a V880 to a V480[03:10:14] <dclarke> one would "think" ( perhaps foolishly ) that one can do a backup on the V880 and then restore on the V480 and then boot, do devfsadm ,, keep going[03:10:17] <dclarke> nope[03:10:20] *** rv- has quit IRC[03:10:20] <dclarke> no way[03:10:28] <Doc> ther's an infodoc article which tells you exactly what to do[03:10:35] <Doc> i know this because i wrote half of it[03:10:43] <dclarke> ha ![03:10:46] <dclarke> love ya[03:10:47] <Doc> nfi what number tho (or for that matter, whether it even still exists)[03:10:59] <dclarke> it is a common task I would think[03:11:10] <Doc> common, but unsupported[03:11:16] <dclarke> I have a Sunsolve contract, so now is a good time for me to go searching for infodocs[03:11:22] <dclarke> yeah .. totally[03:11:39] <dclarke> however .. the idea is to go to a Solaris container[03:11:52] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: don't you need to touch /reconfigure as well?[03:11:53] <dclarke> I have no idea how a person upgrades a Solaris 9 Container[03:12:04] <jbk> ahh.. i did that w/ sol8, seemed to work well enough, but haven't tried to patch it[03:12:04] <dclarke> evocallaghan1: I generally boot -srv[03:12:24] <evocallaghan1> Ah ok[03:12:29] <dclarke> jbk: you did an upgrade of a Solaris Container ?[03:12:36] <jbk> no, just a migration[03:12:51] <dclarke> a migration .. what do you mean? a migration from ?[03:13:04] <evocallaghan1> hope you get it sorted, its now over my head but that was my 1cent :p[03:13:12] <jbk> took a solaris 8 box on a v440, created a flar, and put it in a s8 container on a v890 running sol10[03:13:27] <dclarke> jbk: okay, that is something I can do no problem[03:13:29] <dclarke> that works[03:13:42] <dclarke> but now how do you upgrade that zone to Solaris 10 ?[03:13:56] <dclarke> or even more interesting, how do you take a Solaris 10 machine and put it in a zone ?[03:14:31] <dclarke> personally I think that so long as you have a boot block on a disk, a kernel and /etc/system and a few otehr things you should be able to get up to single user mode[03:14:59] <dclarke> once upon a time I did migrate a Solaris 01 AMD64 server from real hardware to VMware[03:15:02] <dclarke> and it worked[03:15:54] <dclarke> okay .. I am booted with Sol 10 update 6 now[03:15:59] <dclarke> the cdrom I mean[03:16:11] <dclarke> and I fsck the boot/root fs and then mount it[03:16:56] <dclarke> # grep -v "^*" system | grep -v "^$"[03:17:04] <dclarke> the etc/system file has nothing in it[03:17:37] <dclarke> the root fs is still in the same place[03:17:40] <dclarke> at /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a[03:18:45] <dclarke> and /dev/dsk/c*s0 is full of disks I don't need[03:19:13] *** erast has quit IRC[03:22:02] *** _xor has quit IRC[03:30:36] <trichobezoar> devfsadm[03:30:57] <trichobezoar> devfsadm -C[03:31:01] <evocallaghan1> hehe[03:31:11] <evocallaghan1> Already thown that bone at him[03:31:17] <trichobezoar> orly[03:31:25] <dclarke> dudes, that stuff I *know*[03:31:46] <dclarke> and it only works if you have a mounted and read/writeable filesystem[03:31:56] <trichobezoar> I figured. I mean, you're dclarke. But then you're asking for help, it totally breaks that image[03:32:14] <dclarke> even if you do use devfsadm with a -r alt_root path then it will not update the /etc/path_to_inst file[03:32:17] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: I don't know what you don't know ;)[03:32:20] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[03:32:31] <dclarke> evocallaghan1: you should see me try to dance[03:32:35] <dclarke> its just scary[03:32:56] * trichobezoar is interested[03:33:04] <jamesd__> hi dclarke[03:33:04] * evocallaghan1 dances with dclarke[03:33:20] <dclarke> I am probably the only man in the world at his own wedding .. no one expects him to actually dance[03:33:28] <dclarke> hello[03:33:38] <dclarke> so .. now I am resorting to the truely obscene[03:33:44] <dclarke> rm -rf /dev/rdsk*[03:33:45] <trichobezoar> Leave my mom out of it[03:33:52] <trichobezoar> Oh, that.[03:33:54] <dclarke> rm -rf /dev/dsk*[03:34:56] *** stewart has quit IRC[03:35:05] <evocallaghan1> :O[03:36:25] <dclarke> so now I manually create the symlinks[03:36:27] <dclarke> # ln -s ../../devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a ./c0t0d0s0[03:36:55] <jamesd__> what kind of funky hardware is it that devfsadm doesn't work[03:37:02] <dclarke> v480[03:37:18] <dclarke> I ain't making this up either[03:37:28] <jamesd__> strange it should....[03:37:55] <dclarke> if you ever feel the need to start hard drinking again, just backup a v880 and try to restore it onto a v480[03:37:59] <dclarke> see what you get[03:38:26] <evocallaghan1> what if you already started hard drinking O_o[03:38:39] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris[03:38:49] <trichobezoar> "I've been sober for 4 years. I quit the day I restored a v880 backup onto a v480."[03:38:51] <dclarke> evocallaghan1: then everything will "just work"[03:39:03] <dclarke> trichobezoar: ha ![03:39:07] <dclarke> that is funny[03:39:08] *** gdamore1 has quit IRC[03:39:10] <abisen> is there a tutorial somewhere on setting up mdnsd on opensolaris so that it plays nicely with the apple machines[03:39:42] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: should have done what I did then ay[03:39:49] <jamesd__> can't be worse than dealing with application people that think its wise to write 2x scipts that are over 1000 lines to copy 10 files via scp and upload a file to an ftp server, and yes they thought it was a good idea to use expect to do the password thing even on the scp transfers...[03:40:36] <evocallaghan1> hu!?[03:40:39] <jamesd__> i could of rewrote the whole thing in 10 lines of poorly written scripts[03:40:56] <trichobezoar> in the same shell?[03:40:59] <jamesd__> evocallaghan1, the application peeps where i am now contractor[03:41:05] <jamesd__> trichobezoar, yes..[03:41:22] <evocallaghan1> Are you alowed to burn them alive?[03:41:25] <dclarke> but are they paid by the hour or flat rate contracts ?[03:41:45] <jamesd__> evocallaghan1, not untill i go perm.. i'm still a contractor .. by the hour[03:41:54] <evocallaghan1> Oh what a shame[03:42:03] * evocallaghan1 would have liked to hear them scream[03:42:08] <evocallaghan1> :)[03:42:14] <jamesd__> evocallaghan1, its okay. i can walk away from my desk and laugh at them..[03:42:36] <FurnaceBoy> jamesd__ or sit there giggling uncontrollably[03:42:38] <evocallaghan1> just say "do you ubuntu too" to them[03:43:27] <jamesd__> evocallaghan1, i think they are all windows lover at heart, in the middle of a solaris shot its not an easy place to be.[03:43:30] *** gretel has quit IRC[03:43:40] <evocallaghan1> "mum got me a magazine with a ubuntu disk in front and that's how I landed this job" I would expect back from them[03:43:44] <jamesd__> er solaris shop[03:44:05] * evocallaghan1 takes a solaris shot[03:44:12] <evocallaghan1> another please ![03:45:20] <FurnaceBoy> jamesd__ yeah i think the other way to put it is that UNIX is quite friendly, it just picks its friends carefully[03:45:21] <FurnaceBoy> :)[03:45:24] <jamesd__> well the big new project... is going to be cool.. it includes 5x m5000's in a oracle rac cluster for prod and a total of 14x m5000's for all environments, and t6540's for most of the other gear all using zones.. for the smaller stuff[03:46:18] <jamesd__> and a 9990 for storage, EMC put a quote in but didn't come close to what sun was offering.[03:46:56] <evocallaghan1> oh that's a lot of kit at once[03:47:00] <evocallaghan1> shinny[03:47:22] <jamesd__> yeap really sweet.[03:47:32] <jbk> eww oracle rac[03:47:44] <jbk> please say at least you're going to use sun cluster with it[03:47:47] <jbk> and not just crs[03:47:53] <jamesd__> jbk, would you prefer, ms sql 2k3 in a MS cluster?[03:47:53] <trichobezoar> My coworker like to pronounce 'oracle' "oh-rack-ul" to take the mysticism out of it[03:48:32] <jamesd__> its going to be VCS cluster and rac..[03:48:43] <jbk> for most things, at most, a regular oracle instance in an HA cluster (not rac) works fine with _far_ less complexity[03:48:46] <jbk> asm?[03:49:04] <jbk> that's not too bad[03:49:32] <jamesd__> jbk its okay.. the DBA's mostly deal wtih that.. we just build the box.. configure /etc/system and attach storage using veritas ...[03:49:47] <jbk> but you _must_ use veritas's libraries to hook into oracle (the dbas sometimes balk at touching oracle)[03:49:56] <jbk> basically change two symlinks under $ORACLE_HOME[03:50:07] <jbk> the dbas might not like it, but it will NOT work without it[03:50:08] <evocallaghan1> I hear POWER7 screams[03:50:13] <evocallaghan1> Is it out yet or what?[03:50:22] * evocallaghan1 checks[03:50:26] <jamesd__> jbk, yeap.. storage foundation with oracle goodies installed.. and large check written for right to do so[03:50:30] <jbk> evocallaghan1: that's just the heat from them boiling the atmosphere in the datacenter :)[03:50:35] <jbk> yeah i bet[03:50:43] <lewellyn> evocallaghan1: lemme know when you have one ;)[03:50:47] <jbk> i remember how much an old employer paid for 3 SFRAC licneses for 3 E25ks[03:51:16] <jbk> the list price was over 7 figures[03:51:28] <jamesd__> i like not knowing those facts... its easy to say we need XXX and YYY for the new server to run the project you think you need.[03:51:48] <jbk> well i didn't think this project needed rac in the first place (just running peoplesoft)[03:52:03] <evocallaghan1> jbk: oh they come with a free Mr. Fusion <g>[03:52:10] <jbk> and was unnecessary complexity (which it was) which would delay the project (which it did)[03:53:11] <jbk> so i'm not a big rac fan -- usually the compexity tradeoffs aren't warranted (sometimes they are, but they tend to be rare)[03:53:14] <jamesd__> and its easier to not to laugh at management and call them idiots, when they ask.. after we install some program on all 150 servers, if we want to throw it all away and go with another solution because it might run better... and yes the package in question cost 15k plus per server not including installation and debugging.[03:54:56] <trichobezoar> win-win[03:56:23] *** comay has quit IRC[03:56:33] *** mikefut has quit IRC[03:57:30] <dclarke> okay, I'm totally open to suggestions : http://rafb.net/p/fOVa4649.html[03:58:07] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[03:58:08] <dclarke> from line 153 downwards ... things look good[03:58:13] <dclarke> till it hits[03:58:35] <CIA-33> Jordan Brown <Jordan.Brown at Sun dot COM>: 6815959 idmap fails with "Result too large"[03:58:36] <dclarke> /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0: BAD SUPER BLOCK: MAGIC NUMBER WRONG[03:59:46] <jbk> and fsck -o b=32 didn't work?[04:00:27] <dclarke> # fsck -o b=32 /pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw[04:00:30] <dclarke> Alternate super block location: 32.[04:00:30] <dclarke> Can't stat /pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw[04:00:30] <dclarke> #[04:00:50] <dclarke> Can't stat /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a,raw[04:01:18] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[04:02:25] <dclarke> # df -F ufs -k[04:02:29] <dclarke> /pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a 16523397 3953720 12239210 25% /[04:02:38] <jbk> out of curiousity[04:02:44] <jbk> what happens if you replace 'disk' with 'ssd'[04:02:53] <dclarke> there is no such thing as /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@w2100002037b28804,0:a[04:03:04] <dclarke> and /devices/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0:a[04:03:07] <dclarke> fails also[04:03:40] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/weQUgI85.html[04:03:43] <dclarke> checkthat out[04:03:49] <dclarke> all those dev entries exist[04:04:10] <dclarke> # grep 2037b28804 /etc/path_to_inst[04:04:14] <dclarke> "/pci@9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/ssd@w2100002037b28804,0" 0 "ssd"[04:04:23] <dclarke> I mkean a lot of stuff looks correct[04:04:27] <dclarke> but doesn't work[04:05:06] <dclarke> I better read the path_to_insta man page again[04:05:12] <jbk> isn't there an fsdb command?[04:05:26] <dclarke> # which fsdb[04:05:26] <dclarke> /usr/sbin/fsdb[04:05:48] <jbk> i've never used it myself[04:06:02] *** _xor has joined #opensolaris[04:06:07] <_xor> Hey :)[04:06:25] *** s1gn4lb0y has joined #opensolaris[04:06:25] <trichobezoar> are you the xor from efnet #freebsdhelp ?[04:06:32] <jbk> though that only assumes it's a problem with the actual bits on disk...[04:06:34] <_xor> heh yeah, while ago anyway[04:06:42] <_xor> Whom might you be?[04:06:52] <trichobezoar> absolutely nobody[04:06:57] <_xor> :|[04:06:58] <dclarke> # uadmin 2 0[04:06:58] <dclarke> syncing file systems... done[04:06:58] <dclarke> Program terminated[04:07:01] <dclarke> arghhh[04:07:06] *** Psuedo has joined #OpenSolaris[04:07:09] <Psuedo> greetings[04:07:12] <Psuedo> Does OpenSolaris support installation to a GPT Partition Table?[04:07:13] <_xor> I'm trying to figure out why I'm unable to create any directories in /home, even as root.[04:07:21] <trichobezoar> because it's automounted or something[04:07:24] <_xor> I'm trying too add a user.[04:07:28] <_xor> I checked, it doesn't look like it?[04:07:31] <trichobezoar> put it in /export/home/X[04:07:33] <_xor> How can I double check?[04:07:37] <_xor> Hmm k[04:07:45] <_xor> ah[04:07:46] <_xor> nvm :P[04:09:30] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[04:09:49] <Psuedo> Does OpenSolaris support installation to a GPT Partition Table?[04:09:59] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[04:12:18] *** ruse39[home] has quit IRC[04:14:45] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris[04:18:20] <dclarke> andone on a really up to date rev of OpenSolaris/SXCE/Solaris have a man page for devfsadm that refers to an option -p ??[04:18:31] <dclarke> anyone on a really up to date rev of OpenSolaris/SXCE/Solaris have a man page for devfsadm that refers to an option -p ??[04:19:14] <dclarke> or is that undocumented and I have to read the sources ? :-\[04:19:44] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: yes hold on[04:19:52] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[04:20:02] <evocallaghan1> bash-3.2$ uname -sv[04:20:02] <evocallaghan1> SunOS snv_110[04:20:36] <evocallaghan1> SYNOPSIS[04:20:36] <evocallaghan1> /usr/sbin/devfsadm [-C] [-c device_class] [-i driver_name][04:20:36] <evocallaghan1> [ -n] [-r root_dir] [-s] [-t table_file] [-v][04:20:42] <evocallaghan1> I see nothing about -p[04:20:50] <dclarke> right, me neither[04:21:15] <dclarke> SYNOPSIS /usr/sbin/devfsadm [ -C ] [ -c device_class ] [ -i driver_name ] [ -n ] [ -r root_dir ] [ -s ] [ -t table_file ] [ -v ][04:21:18] <dclarke> /usr/lib/devfsadm/devfsadmd[04:21:22] <dclarke> well it ain't in the damn man pages[04:21:51] <jbk> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/devfsadm/devfsadm.c#801[04:21:53] <evocallaghan1> ok[04:22:08] *** samwanfromchina has joined #opensolaris[04:22:47] <dclarke> case 'p':[04:22:55] <dclarke> /* specify alternate path_to_inst file */[04:23:00] <dclarke> lovely .. there it is[04:23:17] <dclarke> in fact .. there are lots of things there[04:23:49] <dclarke> case 'R':[04:23:50] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[04:23:58] <dclarke> * Private flag for suninstall to populate* device information on the installed root.[04:24:49] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: I made a bugID for you http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7586[04:25:45] <dclarke> piles of letters are missing[04:25:47] <dclarke> in fact[04:26:09] <dclarke> well devfsadm just spewwwed its guts at me[04:26:11] <dclarke> devfsadm[123]: verbose: no devfs node or mismatched dev_t for /tmp/root/bravo/devices/pseudo/fcode@0:fcode[04:26:18] <dclarke> lots of that[04:26:21] <dclarke> tons in fact[04:26:31] <evocallaghan1> :¦[04:26:49] <evocallaghan1> Oh, how to change the kb layout on solaris again ?[04:27:00] <jbk> very carefully :)[04:27:09] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[04:27:11] <dclarke> stty a x[04:27:15] <dclarke> don't do that[04:27:23] <evocallaghan1> meaning?[04:27:32] <evocallaghan1> I though there is a file like the timezones ?[04:27:37] <dclarke> remap the letter a as x[04:27:50] <evocallaghan1> I choice GB however it set it up like the stupid US kb[04:27:52] <dclarke> or stty erase <hit letter e>[04:27:58] <dclarke> not nice at all[04:28:03] <evocallaghan1> I *hate* US kb, so bias to the $[04:28:13] <evocallaghan1> no no[04:28:20] <alanc> kbd -s[04:28:22] <evocallaghan1> my layout is wrong in X[04:28:24] <evocallaghan1> thanks[04:28:42] <alanc> or setxkbmap to just set it in the current X session[04:29:07] <alanc> kbd -s sets the persistent kernel setting - X reads that when it starts to initialize the X kb layout[04:29:20] <evocallaghan1> yep I know thanks[04:29:36] <evocallaghan1> I was just trying to remember kbd -s thanks[04:29:56] <evocallaghan1> What's the correct usage for a UK kb then ?[04:30:06] <evocallaghan1> There seems to be three of them ISO something bla..[04:30:53] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[04:31:39] <Psuedo> GPT vs MBR: Which is better?[04:33:18] <evocallaghan1> Psuedo: MBR is for a system with a BIOS[04:33:27] <evocallaghan1> where as GPT is for a system with EFI[04:33:45] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[04:34:02] <evocallaghan1> GPT := GUID Partition Table (GPT)[04:34:22] <evocallaghan1> MBR := Master Boot Record (MBR)[04:34:28] <evocallaghan1> Hope this makes it clear :)[04:34:44] <evocallaghan1> EFI > BIOS[04:34:47] <evocallaghan1> some say[04:34:53] <evocallaghan1> Mac's use EFI[04:35:00] <lewellyn> EFI is extensible. but more "complex" :)[04:35:02] <evocallaghan1> PC's basicly all have BIOS's[04:35:31] <evocallaghan1> EFI := Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI)[04:35:38] <Psuedo> Thanks everyone for your help, seems I didn't have an EFI motherboard to start with. All well, thanks anyway![04:36:17] *** Psuedo has quit IRC[04:36:20] <evocallaghan1> TLA := Three Letter Acronym (TLA)[04:36:29] <evocallaghan1> Oww he miss that one :'([04:36:54] <evocallaghan1> Don't say I didn't try :)[04:42:14] *** tarbo has quit IRC[04:43:43] <dclarke> pardon me folks .. I must go offer burnt sacrifices of chicken and cats to get this working,[04:43:55] <dclarke> evocallaghan1: -p doesn't do a damn thing[04:44:00] <dclarke> just fyi[04:44:02] <dclarke> I tried it[04:44:12] <dclarke> it doesn't puth anything in path_to_inst[04:44:14] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[04:44:32] * dclarke wanders away bitter and twisted , looking for booze[04:49:46] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: hehe, well I filed that bug on your behalf should you wish to add more info is fine with me :)[04:54:11] <lewellyn> dclarke: i've got booze[04:54:59] <evocallaghan1> Sorry for off topic[04:55:05] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: your like this http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/18/new-particle-throws-monkeywrench-in-particle-physics/[04:55:26] *** segonSama has joined #opensolaris[04:59:46] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[04:59:47] *** tarbo has joined #opensolaris[05:00:32] <dclarke> http://www.idiottoys.com/2009/03/infineon-creates-worlds-largest-match.html[05:01:43] <evocallaghan1> http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/Higgs-mass-constraints-20090313.html[05:03:02] <jbk> heh[05:03:36] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[05:04:37] <dclarke> question, who owns UNIX(tm) ? SCO still ?[05:04:46] <jbk> i think the standard model is the 20th century equivalent of epicycles, but...[05:05:20] *** abisen has quit IRC[05:05:25] <dclarke> or The OpenGroup or what ...[05:05:31] <dclarke> hell it doesn't matter[05:05:37] <FurnaceBoy> lol@epicycles[05:05:38] * dclarke deletes dumb user question[05:07:08] <jbk> and i bet if you keep throwing more and more energy into collisions you'll find more and more particles, but i'm not sure it really tells you anything more that given enough energy, you can create a new previously unseen particle[05:07:40] <FurnaceBoy> jbk it's human nature to build big dangerous machines ![05:07:45] <dclarke> meanwhile, in central Honduras another child dies of starvation[05:07:47] <alanc> dclarke: the Unix trademark belongs to the Open Group - Novell gave it to them before selling the code base to SCO[05:07:47] <FurnaceBoy> jbk it's a yearning[05:07:56] <FurnaceBoy> dclarke++[05:08:06] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: SCO never owned Unix, it was Novell the whole time[05:08:07] <dclarke> progress, measured in terms of human life versus particle arguments over tea and muffns[05:09:01] <dclarke> alanc: thanks, some jerk user fires and angry email at me saying OpenSolaris is not UNIX[05:09:25] <dclarke> alanc: I deleted it .. couldn't be bothered to respond[05:10:12] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: the kids who die that you ref to are in most part due to gov and/or over population and has nothing to do with Science. Science lacks funding and *should have way more* then it does ! Though you would know that![05:10:35] <alanc> officially, it's not yet - it's probably compliant, but until the certification test suite results and accompanying large check are delivered to the Open Group, it doesn't get the official seal of approval[05:11:14] <dclarke> evocallaghan1: the kid dies because he was hungry[05:11:20] <evocallaghan1> yep, it needs to pass them tests[05:11:40] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: exactly, not science fault ![05:11:49] * dclarke never said it was[05:11:53] <alanc> Sun usually doesn't bother until the final builds of a new Solaris release - certifying every update or beta build isn't worth the cash nor effort[05:12:34] <evocallaghan1> I hate it when people try to put down forwarding science in fav of "we should be spending more money on our gov to fix foo, oh them poor litte .."[05:12:39] <evocallaghan1> its bs[05:12:44] <dclarke> I was attempting, in an obscure and perhaps poorly worded fashion to point out that there has been no real human progress in 100 years , in my opinion, we have billions of people and many feel alone, we have many billionairs and yet there are many that starve to death, the human race is a failure[05:13:09] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[05:13:10] <dclarke> I'm just in a bad mood while I fight with this v480[05:13:36] <trichobezoar> if your bad mood gives off truth all the time, why be in a good one[05:14:09] <dclarke> trichobezoar: I am rarely right, but sometimes I am correct[05:14:16] <evocallaghan1> dclarke: Nature is nature ! We are animals like any other, some live some die.. I maybe stupid tomorrow and walk infront of the bus but that would mean one less stupid DNA carries in the world[05:14:42] <evocallaghan1> the world has far too many people on it that in can support realtive to how we live currectly[05:14:48] <trichobezoar> dclarke: ...[05:15:09] <dclarke> pardon me .. now I really am going back to curseing at this server[05:15:30] <trichobezoar> good luck...[05:15:41] <DesiJat> funny, Amazon EC2 has OpenSolaris 2008.11 AMI, but not SXCE[05:15:57] <DesiJat> wonder if that's cuz of size of the distro...[05:16:00] <evocallaghan1> sorry for being so blunt however I speak the raw truth of what is mother nature! /end of my fighting words[05:18:05] *** cwebber has quit IRC[05:18:44] *** asarch has quit IRC[05:20:05] *** axisys has quit IRC[05:25:11] *** jfisc has quit IRC[05:25:17] *** Mr|Dave has quit IRC[05:36:17] *** webmink_ has joined #opensolaris[05:37:42] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[05:41:31] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[05:43:01] *** niq has quit IRC[05:43:49] *** _xor has quit IRC[05:49:49] *** gm152_ has quit IRC[05:57:19] <oninoshiko> DesiJat: SXCE has different licensing attached to it. 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Has anyone had any experience with such things as OpenPKG or pkgsrc on Solaris?[07:06:10] <Teltariat2> You know, alternative package management[07:08:32] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[07:09:59] * lewellyn likes SVR4, thank you much[07:11:20] <Teltariat2> lewellyn: true, until you want some piece of software and it isn't available anywhere. If other package repositories might have them, then it saves the time of having to go out and build an SVR4 pkg yourself.[07:12:31] <lewellyn> sfe :)[07:12:47] <lewellyn> building a spec file isn't that hard, i've discovered[07:13:34] *** wdp has quit IRC[07:14:10] <Teltariat2> Yes, but I'd rather not do that for some piece of software I want and its 10 required dependencies[07:17:28] <Teltariat2> When keyboard auto-repeat no longer works in the terminal, whats the common cause?[07:17:51] <eklof> Anyone have experiences with Adaptec 31605 sata-card?[07:17:55] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:24:00] <Teltariat2> lew: are sfe packages only accessible through sourceforge? cause I can't get through....[07:31:25] *** raichoo has quit IRC[07:32:06] *** victori has quit IRC[07:37:47] *** gnb_ has joined #opensolaris[07:40:17] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[07:45:44] *** stewart has quit IRC[07:57:06] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris[08:03:06] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[08:07:51] 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<kimc> pwd :)[11:51:51] <xRaich[o]2x> su[11:51:52] <cast> would be rather creepy if someone answered with your ls listing[11:51:53] <xRaich[o]2x> secret[11:52:04] <kimc> good morning.. ps -ea[11:52:25] <kimc> zpool iostat[11:54:40] <kimc> anyone installed b110 yet?[11:54:57] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[11:56:40] <sickness> kimc: me[11:57:18] <kimc> great.. did you use the graphic installer or text?[11:59:24] <sickness> nah, I've liveupgraded from sxce 109[11:59:36] <sickness> just text, and I don't use graphical on that machine[12:02:51] <kimc> ok thanks i'm going to install b110 this morning[12:04:41] <sickness> yw[12:06:30] <blahee> i did install b110, but used text installer (for ZFS root and i don't know if it's supported with gui still)[12:12:43] <lewellyn> kimc: if i could find myself a blank dvd, i'd be running 110 :P[12:12:45] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[12:12:55] <lewellyn> and i install with the text installer for zfs root[12:13:19] <lewellyn> blahee: afaik, sxce's installer is getting no new features[12:14:02] <blahee> lewellyn: ok. i didn't make any recearch for this. I have not installed this since like b98 or something[12:16:17] <lewellyn> i think the goal is to get osol's installer to be a capable replacement, then plop that into sxce.[12:16:40] <lewellyn> it sounds like they eventually want sxce to be osol with a different path and a few extra packages[12:18:08] *** gnb_ has quit IRC[12:18:42] *** cravil has joined #opensolaris[12:19:48] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[12:25:25] *** cast has quit IRC[12:25:27] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[12:33:19] *** loke has quit IRC[12:44:27] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[12:45:31] *** ken-h has quit IRC[12:46:43] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[12:47:45] *** ken is now known as ken-h[12:51:53] *** e-jat has quit IRC[13:00:50] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[13:06:09] *** GNUix has quit IRC[13:08:24] <kimc> i have a machine running in a colo shared with a few others and have been wanting to upgrade to a later verson of sxce[13:08:36] <kimc> maybe b110 is the one[13:09:18] <kimc> would want to run with mirrored zfs boot drives[13:11:05] <kimc> now that this has been been resolved: 6803822Reboot after replacement of system disk in a ZFS mirror drops to grub> prompt[13:11:40] <kimc> makes running a machine with limited access more do-able[13:12:37] <JWheeler> What was the issue? The logical disconnect between the MBR/Grub, and the zfs slice?[13:13:21] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[13:14:20] <kimc> not clear which bug was causing this.. check: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6803822[13:14:29] *** xgamex_ has joined #opensolaris[13:14:36] <xgamex_> hallo[13:14:41] <kimc> hello[13:14:43] <JWheeler> yeah I found the bug, but bugs.o.o really doesn't tell you what was done[13:14:51] <kimc> yes right..[13:14:53] <xgamex_> haloo[13:15:02] <xgamex_> was get[13:15:08] *** xgamex_ has quit IRC[13:15:18] *** gnb_ has joined #opensolaris[13:15:41] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[13:16:04] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[13:16:35] <JWheeler> this does: http://hg.osunix.org/codestr0m/osunix-gate/changeset/59d2e67b4b65/ ...but I'm not enough of a programmer to understand what just happened either! oh well[13:16:51] *** sickness has quit IRC[13:16:54] <kimc> bugid 6806077 does not link to a working page.. maybe the answer would be there[13:17:36] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[13:19:17] <kimc> yes its not clear for me either[13:20:07] <kimc> if i lost a disk in a zfs mirrored pair and shut the machine down to replace the disk[13:20:29] *** hsp has quit IRC[13:20:31] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[13:20:38] <kimc> then fired it up and it wouldn't boot past the grub prompt ..this would be a bad thing[13:21:10] <JWheeler> Well I can only assume that what is actually happening here is that the REPLACED disk would not be bootable, but the original would still work ok[13:21:10] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[13:21:53] <JWheeler> So you should still be able to boot the machine OK. As I recall adding a second drive to make a mirror had the same problem... and maybe it still does[13:22:32] <JWheeler> grub had to be run by hand, which was really just an example of ZFS not recognising that it needed to work with grub for rpools[13:23:07] <JWheeler> I don't know enough about the sparc boot process, but presumably the problem is the same, even if the bootloader is different[13:25:03] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[13:26:49] *** gerard13 has left #opensolaris[13:27:13] <cambazz> hello. how can I chmod all the files 644 and all the dirs to 755[13:27:25] *** Randello has quit IRC[13:27:54] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[13:29:06] <JWheeler> haha, I wondered about that one for early linux years too[13:30:00] <JWheeler> the answer (that I came up with): "find ./ -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;" (for files), and for directories: "find ./ -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;"[13:30:25] <JWheeler> obviously adjust the paths to suit[13:31:36] <JWheeler> erm, my first sentence didn't make a lot of sense there. I meant that I had wondered what the answer to that common problem was in my early linux days too. As I improved my skills I came up with the solution above :)[13:34:57] *** taltamir has quit IRC[13:36:03] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[13:37:02] *** Chipdancer_ is now known as Chipdancer[13:49:14] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris[13:51:26] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[13:51:41] *** Gnu_Raiz has quit IRC[13:53:23] *** jeanBlack has joined #opensolaris[13:53:37] *** jeanBlack has quit IRC[13:53:48] *** jeanBlack has joined #opensolaris[13:53:48] *** ken-h has quit IRC[13:58:53] *** fftb has quit IRC[13:58:54] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[13:59:07] <gretel> g'morning[13:59:35] *** pjd has joined #opensolaris[13:59:44] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[14:01:08] *** jeanBlack is now known as _ej_[14:05:09] *** jbit has left #opensolaris[14:07:51] *** gretel has quit IRC[14:09:13] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[14:12:09] *** e1kg has quit IRC[14:15:36] *** digimano1 has quit IRC[14:16:53] *** fftb__ has joined #opensolaris[14:16:59] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[14:20:12] *** ken is now known as k[en][14:22:07] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[14:22:18] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[14:22:36] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[14:22:37] *** k[en] has quit IRC[14:26:42] *** Catsceo has quit IRC[14:28:50] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[14:32:58] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[14:32:59] *** friartuck has left #opensolaris[14:33:00] *** communicator has quit IRC[14:42:40] *** wurlitzer has joined #opensolaris[14:47:26] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[14:48:30] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[14:51:27] *** fftb has quit IRC[14:52:36] *** Teltariat2 has quit IRC[14:56:03] *** gnb_ has quit IRC[14:58:50] *** thommym has joined #opensolaris[14:59:10] *** hudnix has quit IRC[14:59:33] *** Lumb has quit IRC[15:02:22] <thommym> Hello folks, anyone know if there is supposed to be a kdmconfig command in 2008.11???[15:03:29] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[15:04:00] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[15:04:02] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[15:07:38] *** Sam1 has joined #opensolaris[15:09:12] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[15:10:53] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris[15:11:57] *** gaveen has quit IRC[15:13:02] <blahee> kimc: that propably has something to do with like _first boot disk_ failing and grub not properly installed in second disk in order. Grun needs to be installed to second disk as it would be first disk ..... Linux did (maybe some distros still) have it's problems for soft mirrored root too[15:15:13] *** btQuark_ is now known as btQuark[15:22:47] *** fftb__ has quit IRC[15:22:52] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[15:23:10] *** murakawa has joined #opensolaris[15:26:10] *** CaT_MaNZz has joined #opensolaris[15:27:48] *** Chipdancer_ has joined #opensolaris[15:31:11] <CaT_MaNZz> is there any way to get achievements from windows driver? :) i want to use canyon usb wireless device which has drivers only for windows[15:35:49] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[15:38:43] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[15:43:29] *** wurlitzer has quit IRC[15:44:26] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[16:02:38] *** fftb has quit IRC[16:03:44] *** TT has joined #opensolaris[16:07:48] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[16:07:49] *** ken has quit IRC[16:08:25] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[16:10:29] *** murakawa has quit IRC[16:10:42] *** loke has joined #opensolaris[16:13:23] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[16:16:50] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[16:21:10] *** Sam1 has left #opensolaris[16:27:40] <loke> Hello people. I'm a very long-time Solaris user (having worked at Sun for 5 years back in the days). This is, however, the first time I try to install Solaris on a PC that has a Windows parition I need to preserve on it, and I'm having no end of problems.[16:27:52] <loke> Is anyone available that can provide some advice?[16:34:38] *** TT has left #opensolaris[16:38:16] *** rjordan has joined #opensolaris[16:40:19] <rjordan> I'm trying to take a disk in a usb enclosure and connect it internally using SATA. I export the zpool, connnect via sata and when I reboot and import it it says invalid vdev configuration.[16:40:56] <rjordan> I've googled and I've googled and I can't seem to find a way to import it. I've tried import -f. I've done zdb -l /dev/rdsk and I can read it's 4 labels.[16:40:57] <rjordan> can a vdev be 'moved'? can I remove the vdev when it's the only one in the pool and readd/rebuild the pool after it's reconnected?[16:42:41] *** yik-_ has quit IRC[16:47:13] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[16:47:28] <tsoome> hm[16:48:16] <tsoome> in general you can export pool and move disks and import. zfs doesnt care about physical connection[16:48:52] <rjordan> I know right. So I'm not sure why it's having so much trouble.[16:49:08] *** cwebber has quit IRC[16:49:16] <rjordan> I reconnected it to the USB enclosure and it's fine[16:49:23] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[16:49:33] <rjordan> but I reconnect/reboot and it won't import.[16:49:41] <tsoome> with usb/sata - are you sure tyour sata controller doesnt attempt to make anything fancy with disk?[16:50:06] <rjordan> I'm not sure what you mean[16:50:07] <tsoome> is it plain sata or some sort of raid?[16:50:16] <rjordan> like does it try and raid it or something?[16:50:21] <rjordan> oh yeah it's plain[16:50:50] <rjordan> I can see the pool when I 'zpool import'[16:51:13] <tsoome> is disk geometry exactly the same from usb and sata connectors?[16:51:55] <rjordan> but I can't get it: http://rafb.net/p/r5Nk7J29.html[16:52:17] <rjordan> I'm not sure I'd have to check[16:53:21] <tsoome> what is zpoo import output when its connected to usb?[16:53:29] <tsoome> zpool*[16:54:29] <rjordan> zdb -l -> http://rafb.net/p/5ZGZlB95.html[16:54:48] <rjordan> it's connected using sata right now. it'll be a sec to reconect/reboot[16:55:38] <rjordan> Thanks for you help :)[16:56:01] <jamesd__> most sata controllers/bios do there best to do simple raid0 or raid1 if you don't tell it not too..[16:56:25] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[16:59:22] <rjordan> maybe it's causing trouble then. Ihttp://rafb.net/p/7qIko476.html[17:00:01] <rjordan> I was able to import it and read a file just fine[17:00:57] *** asarch has quit IRC[17:01:21] <rjordan> then I get this from zdb -l[17:01:21] <rjordan> http://rafb.net/p/d3tR1B37.html[17:04:50] <rjordan> any ideas?[17:05:16] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[17:06:28] *** Chipdancer_ has quit IRC[17:07:02] <rjordan> what's really wierd is the last two labels on this one are different from all the others: http://rafb.net/p/5ZGZlB95.html[17:09:36] <rjordan> is there any way to tell it the vdev has moved?? I can't 'zpool replace' or anything like that when it's not imported. and I can't import it when it's connected using SATA.[17:10:05] <rjordan> Do you think I should check the BIOS and see if it's doing something odd with the SATA controller?[17:11:23] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[17:13:45] *** _ej_ is now known as ej|dining[17:16:32] *** alain10 has quit IRC[17:19:36] *** ricardo-vlh has joined #opensolaris[17:23:33] *** Aizawa has joined #opensolaris[17:23:57] *** cwebber has quit IRC[17:24:15] <Aizawa> How does the Express Community Edition differ to the 2008.11 download?[17:25:30] <Aizawa> I mean, I guess the SXCE is cutting edge, but are there any other differences?[17:27:24] <oninoshiko> Aizwa: SXCE is permitted to have closed-source and non-redisribuatble compontents[17:27:30] <jamesd__> Aizawa, express community edition is what will become solaris 11, and osce is designed to keep linux users happy with a decent package manager and new installer[17:28:06] <jamesd__> er s/osce/2008.11/[17:28:18] *** rjordan has quit IRC[17:28:25] *** rjordan has joined #opensolaris[17:29:31] <Aizawa> Oh..So the regular release doesn't have a package manager..?[17:29:43] <oninoshiko> as jamesd_ says: 2008.11 uses IPS which uses online repositories. while SXCE uses the SYSV package management tools, which are more geared tword local packages and do not automaticly resolve dependencies (although the will tell you what you are missing)[17:29:59] <Aizawa> Well[17:30:05] <Aizawa> To be honest that didn't really help a lot[17:30:17] <Aizawa> I'm not really savvy at this stuff[17:31:09] <oninoshiko> ok, clif's notes: 2008.11 is easier to install packages on[17:31:27] <Aizawa> Oh.[17:36:46] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[17:37:01] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[17:44:17] *** jteo has quit IRC[17:46:03] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[17:47:00] *** thommym1 has joined #opensolaris[17:49:23] *** tamr has quit IRC[17:51:46] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[17:52:54] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[17:53:05] <ingenthr> is anyone familiar with the CIFS stuff? i'm having difficulty authenticating and I think it's because /var/smb/osmbpasswd and /var/smb/smbpasswd are out of synch... the file dates don't match[17:53:16] <ingenthr> and i just updated the password, one is updated, the other is not[17:53:23] *** rjordan has quit IRC[17:55:32] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[17:56:08] *** digifor has quit IRC[18:03:00] <PinkFreud> iirc, osmbpasswd is the old password file. if you've changed your password, theyy're not going to match. :)[18:03:28] *** thommym has quit IRC[18:03:29] <ingenthr> hm, makes sense... except if i change it they should both be updated, right?[18:03:36] <ingenthr> and the date is about a month off[18:04:50] <PinkFreud> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/smbsrv/libsmb/common/smb_pwdutil.c is likely what you're using.[18:06:30] <ingenthr> having a look, thanks for the pointer![18:06:47] <PinkFreud> no problem :)[18:07:48] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[18:08:06] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[18:08:51] <Aizawa> Um. Isn't there a 64-bit version of OpenSolaris?[18:09:16] <trygvis> there is only one distro which include both 32 and 64 bit kernels[18:09:18] <xRaich[o]2x> Aizawa: you don't need one. opensolaris is both[18:09:48] <Aizawa> Oh.[18:10:23] <ingenthr> run isalist(1) to see what instruction set architectures solaris detected and is supporting[18:10:27] <Aizawa> So it installs a 64-bit version if my PC is compatible?[18:10:30] <ingenthr> yup[18:10:36] <Aizawa> Oh, good.[18:10:52] <ingenthr> and it'll run 64-bit versions of binaries (where it makes sense) through something called isaexec in solaris[18:11:03] <Aizawa> All right[18:11:04] <Aizawa> Well, the .iso is burned. Thanks for the info.[18:11:16] *** Aizawa has quit IRC[18:13:32] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[18:19:37] <gkl> I am running b106[18:19:52] <gkl> is there any way to get that Universal Access Preferences thing out of my icon bar?[18:19:57] <gkl> I don't like it there[18:26:37] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[18:33:59] *** kimc has left #opensolaris[18:36:04] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris[18:36:46] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[18:38:01] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[18:42:09] *** WLNB has joined #opensolaris[18:42:17] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[18:44:35] *** twisti has quit IRC[18:44:41] <WLNB> I have a grub question - I have a system with (Simplified) Partitions 1= Xp 2 = Debian 3- to be OpenSolaris 2008.11 (And extended with swap and linux's on it)[18:45:10] <WLNB> I saw some hits on the internet that seemed to imn[ply that I can use grub from a ;linux for booting Opensolaris[18:45:36] <WLNB> But I think i read in OS fourms you MUST use grub from OpenSolaris[18:45:49] <eklof> Hrm, why can't I online the system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:daily service?[18:46:00] <eklof> tried clearing it and enable it.[18:46:06] <WLNB> i am looking over the pages in the topic here atm[18:46:07] <eklof> still in maintanance[18:46:51] <ingenthr> WLNB: you will have to use OpenSolaris's grub[18:46:53] <WLNB> (FYI = this install set is on a Eeepc 1000H 160 G HD)[18:46:54] <ingenthr> since it knows zfs[18:46:59] <WLNB> OK thanks[18:47:11] <WLNB> no big deal there just wanted to make sure[18:47:13] <ingenthr> the best practice is unfortunately to chainload the other grub, your linux grub[18:47:34] <ingenthr> so put OpenSolaris grub in your primary bootable or in the MBR[18:47:48] <ingenthr> then chainload the other linux's grub from it's own primary partition[18:47:50] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[18:47:56] <WLNB> OK - thank you[18:48:06] <ingenthr> if you search blogs.sun.com, someone has a blog on doing this with ubuntu[18:48:08] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[18:48:13] <ingenthr> good luck![18:48:21] <WLNB> Will proly look some more at a Topic I saw on Eeepc's too[18:48:23] *** wims has quit IRC[18:48:30] *** wims has joined #opensolaris[18:48:37] <ingenthr> yes, masafumi-san's stuff![18:48:48] <WLNB> that is it![18:49:12] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[18:49:14] <WLNB> I had it on but am re doing my whole setup HD today on it[18:49:21] <ingenthr> a guy had an eeepc on the plane next to me yesterday... impressive that he was getting nearly 6 hours out of it[18:50:23] <WLNB> wow nice[18:50:56] <ball> Do the Linux EeePCs come with a VNC viewer?[18:50:59] <WLNB> I had an early one but sold it and got new one with a bit larged LCD - makes it much nicer when I am in X[18:51:01] <ball> ...and OpenSSH?[18:51:17] <WLNB> Mine was XP[18:51:41] <ingenthr> ball: i think there are linux distros which are cut down for that kind of thing[18:52:04] <WLNB> but the first thing I do in Linux is apt-get install screen irssi build-essential alpine wireless-tools[18:52:07] <ball> ingenthr: those may be the only two things I want ;-)[18:52:23] <WLNB> most all linux has at least ssh client[18:52:31] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris[18:53:09] <WLNB> I ran mine most of time in run level 3 (if you are a RH'ish type or console mode)[18:57:32] *** servo-- has quit IRC[19:00:49] *** loke has quit IRC[19:01:54] <WLNB> well will clear out - ta - I will stop back later[19:02:48] *** WLNB has left #opensolaris[19:03:42] *** ricardo-vlh has quit IRC[19:05:33] *** joanie has quit IRC[19:11:20] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[19:13:49] <dsch04> Anyone got RealPlayer 11 working on 2008.11 ?[19:14:17] <dsch04> I downloaded the tarball from here: http://www.real.com/solaris[19:18:59] *** frankS2_ has joined #opensolaris[19:23:13] *** cambazz has quit IRC[19:23:42] *** frankS2__ has joined #opensolaris[19:31:05] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[19:35:37] *** frankS2 has quit IRC[19:35:51] *** frankS2__ has quit IRC[19:36:08] *** frankS2 has joined #opensolaris[19:36:43] *** kleppari has quit IRC[19:37:53] *** frankS2 has quit IRC[19:38:19] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[19:39:15] *** frankS2 has joined #opensolaris[19:40:03] *** Aizawa has joined #opensolaris[19:40:21] *** frankS2_ has quit IRC[19:40:52] <Aizawa> Okay, so I booted from the 2008.11 CD. I checked the Device Drivers thing, and I my wireless usb adapter was supposed to work, so I installed OpenSolaris.[19:41:21] <Aizawa> Now, I don't have an internet connection and no way to set it up, because in network settings there are no devices, and no way to add any.[19:41:27] <Aizawa> What can I do_[19:41:29] <Aizawa> ?[19:41:51] <Aizawa> (Just to be clear, I booted a linux live cd to get a connection and look stuff up etc)[19:42:53] *** Gekz has quit IRC[19:43:45] <Aizawa> Also, you guys said that if I had a 64bit machine it would install a 64 bit kernel. When I boot all my choices are x86.[19:43:50] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[19:44:01] <Aizawa> But that's not a priority right now.[19:44:44] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris is a mixed 32/64bit OS, you'll get what your hardware supports[19:45:48] <Aizawa> ..okay[19:46:13] <Aizawa> Anyway, can someone give me any tips for my network issue?[19:49:33] *** Gekz has quit IRC[19:49:51] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[19:50:04] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[19:50:05] <CosmicDJ> what did the device detection utility say about your network device?[19:51:03] <Aizawa> Well, it detected it correctly (Linksys WUSB54GC) and said that the driver was "ralink rt73" which is also true.[19:53:33] <CosmicDJ> and the "Solaris Driver" column showed?[19:53:54] <Aizawa> Um. That may have been the "ralink rt73" stuff.[19:54:45] <Aizawa> Anyway, I just realized this, but do you think it would "wake up" if I removed and inserted the device? xD[19:54:58] *** Gekz has quit IRC[19:55:51] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris[19:56:49] *** cravil has quit IRC[19:57:42] <Aizawa> Perhaps a silly question.[20:01:05] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[20:01:06] <brett_> Aizawa: does the device show up in /dev ?[20:02:05] <Aizawa> I didn't check.[20:03:39] <brett_> i'd check that, check dmesg, etc[20:04:00] <brett_> if it's just nwam not seeing the device, that should be easy to fix[20:04:16] <brett_> if the kernel doesn't see it, you probably need to source a driver[20:05:17] <Aizawa> Eugh. Something that seemed to go ever so smoothly suddenly turned into a lot of work.[20:05:41] <Aizawa> Bah, thanks a lot for the help guys, but I'll just stick with Linux.[20:05:50] *** Aizawa has quit IRC[20:05:58] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[20:07:02] <brett_> hilarious[20:07:39] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[20:07:39] * ball is confused[20:07:43] <ball> hello rastal[20:07:55] <rastal> hello ball[20:08:18] <rastal> ball, are you the same 'ball' than #netbsd? :-)[20:08:28] <ball> Oh yes, that's me.[20:08:49] <rastal> :-) good[20:11:01] <ball> I'm thinking of replacing NetBSD on a production server with Solaris, so that we can try Sun Ray[20:11:22] <ball> ...and for a lower-maintenance system that they can buy support contracts for.[20:12:29] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[20:18:37] *** s1gn4lb0y has joined #opensolaris[20:22:54] *** cri__ has joined #opensolaris[20:23:37] *** fftb has quit IRC[20:24:31] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[20:30:22] *** mega_ has quit IRC[20:32:36] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[20:38:39] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[20:40:54] *** nitrile_ has joined #opensolaris[20:41:20] *** nitrile has quit IRC[20:42:46] <rastal> I'm working with Solaris servers right now, so I installed OpenSolaris in my computer to try it and learn some commands to admin that.[20:43:05] <ball> Much difference?[20:45:33] *** jiiho has joined #opensolaris[20:45:50] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[20:50:32] <rastal> bah, not much. Only a few commands like top (it's prstat), it use debugger like dbx, and Sun Studio Compiler and others like that. I used to program with GNU utils, but all of them are similar.[20:52:01] *** doug_out is now known as doug_outout[20:53:32] <ball> rastal: fork just woke up, I have to go[20:54:07] *** ball has quit IRC[21:00:14] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[21:00:21] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[21:01:24] *** jfisc has left #opensolaris[21:21:48] *** cri__ has quit IRC[21:22:24] *** ingenthr1 has quit IRC[21:23:17] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[21:24:35] *** rastal has quit IRC[21:36:14] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:37:49] *** jeef has joined #opensolaris[21:39:16] <DesiJat> prstat > top[21:40:39] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:41:27] *** snowleopardcat has joined #opensolaris[21:42:01] <snowleopardcat> does peoplesoft & oracle work on opensolaris running in a virtualbox instance?[21:43:09] <jeef> anyone know if the packaged libsdl supports opengl? (i'm working on a project which uses sdl without opengl, but would be interested in using libsdl/opengl with the project at some point in time)[21:44:04] <jamesd__> snowleopardcat, why does it matter... you are allready paying $$$,$$$$ whats another $200 for a solaris support contract... opensolaris just gives the support people something else to point fingers at when people soft oracle breaks and it will some day and you will regret your choice.[21:44:48] <snowleopardcat> i'd like to do a peoplesoft install with oracle on my laptop as a dev box[21:45:00] <DesiJat> snow: should work fine[21:45:12] <DesiJat> just allocate a boatload of RAM[21:45:18] <DesiJat> like, a yachtload of RAM[21:45:27] <snowleopardcat> I've got 2 gigs[21:45:34] <jamesd__> snowleopardcat, just a hint, your dev box should match test/prod as closely as possible for best results.[21:46:23] <snowleopardcat> peoplecode and peopletools are a 4gl[21:46:52] <snowleopardcat> jamesd_: that would be solaris and oracle + peoplesoft[21:47:10] <snowleopardcat> so i'd be running opensolaris as the slight modification[21:47:44] <DesiJat> 2gb of RAM?[21:47:50] <snowleopardcat> yes[21:48:00] <DesiJat> for your actual OS, + VirtualBox+OpenSolaris + Oracle+PeopleSoft[21:48:04] <snowleopardcat> it would be oracle 10g[21:48:11] <DesiJat> go to newegg.com, order yourself another 2GB RAM :/[21:48:12] <DesiJat> please.[21:48:14] <jamesd__> yes but opensolaris is much newer code than what your prod box is... so if somethng breaks in production you may chase your tail trying to find a bug that you hit that has allready been fixed on your dev box but good luck trying to get anyone else to fix it in prod[21:48:56] <DesiJat> as long as u realize it's not 100% the same exact code base, you should be OK. but get more RAM[21:49:12] <DesiJat> if he's runing a dev environment and then testing it in QA, it'll be fine[21:49:18] <DesiJat> dev envs cant always be the same as prod[21:49:28] <DesiJat> for example, compilers, etc., wont be on prod, but will be on your dev boses[21:49:32] <DesiJat> boxes[21:49:47] <DesiJat> and your code MIGHT have linked to some /opt/SUNWspro/lib thing that doesnt exist in prod, and boom[21:49:52] <DesiJat> so yeah, just keep an eye out[21:49:58] <DesiJat> but get more RAM, for the love of dog[21:49:58] *** jiiho has quit IRC[21:50:09] <snowleopardcat> i've installed oracle on 512[21:50:18] <snowleopardcat> slow, but works[21:50:21] <DesiJat> u can install damn near anything in anything[21:50:24] <DesiJat> dont mean it'll work well[21:50:27] <jamesd__> snowleopardcat, yes you can do it in less but you pay the price...[21:50:28] <DesiJat> and RAM is cheap[21:50:44] <DesiJat> 4GB for my laptop was like $60 or $80, i dont even remember[21:50:48] <oninoshiko> i wouldnt reccement trying vista on ARM[21:51:06] <snowleopardcat> yeah but my ram dim slots are all full on my macbook[21:51:13] <snowleopardcat> i'd have to take them out[21:51:16] <DesiJat> so replace them[21:51:18] <DesiJat> i did that[21:51:24] <DesiJat> 2 2gb sticks[21:51:29] <snowleopardcat> it would be a waste[21:51:35] <DesiJat> *sigh*[21:51:36] <DesiJat> ok.[21:51:37] <DesiJat> whatever[21:51:41] <DesiJat> put em on ebay[21:51:46] <DesiJat> you'll get $10.[21:51:50] <DesiJat> which is what they're worth[21:52:11] <snowleopardcat> i'll do the install, if its too slow, i'll buy the extra ram[21:52:22] <snowleopardcat> no worries[21:52:27] <DesiJat> advice = dont ever click outside the VirtualBox window[21:52:30] <DesiJat> you'll hurt.[21:52:31] <DesiJat> <-- knows[21:52:34] <jamesd__> snowleopardcat, so you make how much? if you are slowed down by even 25%... the cost of the ram is paid back in one day of your work at reduced speed.[21:52:58] <DesiJat> Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Memory for Apple Notebook[21:53:02] <DesiJat> $44.99[21:53:06] <DesiJat> i mean. g'damn[21:53:14] <snowleopardcat> alright, im convinced[21:53:22] <CosmicDJ> why don't you just install solaris10 or sxce? they aren't memory-hogs when using UFS (and disabling X, gnome etc.)[21:53:47] <snowleopardcat> solaris 10 is ugly[21:53:48] *** ej|dining is now known as ej|sleeping[21:53:59] <snowleopardcat> update the UI[21:54:03] * DesiJat hugs his Amazon EC2 instance running OpenSolaris 2008.11 with 1.7GB of virtual RAM[21:54:10] <DesiJat> $48/month. loveable.[21:54:24] <DesiJat> now..wtf do I do with my x2100 and x4100 server....[21:54:26] <snowleopardcat> i've got solaris 10 on my solaris boxes at home[21:54:33] <DesiJat> wish they had decent resale value :([21:55:11] <jeef> DesiJat: what is the bandwidth usage typically on that instance?[21:55:15] <jeef> (monthly)[21:55:23] <DesiJat> i'll find out this month i suppose[21:55:26] <DesiJat> i just got the instance[21:55:39] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[21:55:48] <DesiJat> i did the 'reserved instance' where i pay $325 upfront for the year and 3 cents per hour for whenever the instance is up and running[21:56:08] <DesiJat> i used to have 1and1 before ...but they only had Linux[21:56:19] <DesiJat> then my local hosting provider went belly up, i had to go get my server[21:57:37] <jeef> interesting; i'd looked at ec2 in the past, but i'm satisfied with the places i've been using, and ec2 seemed a bit costly in comparison[21:57:52] <DesiJat> yeah, it's $72/month if u do regular instance[21:57:56] <jeef> but it depends on how you use it, definitely[21:58:01] <DesiJat> but the reserved pricing brings it down to $48[21:58:16] <DesiJat> mainly, i like it cuz i was able to get an instance up and running in about 3-5 minutes[21:58:24] <jeef> i want always-on for convenience, and for development i could care less to pay more than ~$30~40[21:58:37] <DesiJat> and i know Amazon wont call me and say "Uhh, dude, come and get your server"[21:58:52] <DesiJat> jeef: reserved still gives u always-on, it just lowers the price per hour[21:59:03] <jeef> $325 up front is a lot, though[21:59:11] <jeef> for something just used for development[21:59:14] <DesiJat> basically you're telling them "yeah, I will be using EC2 for a year, either all the time, or on and off"[21:59:20] <DesiJat> jeef: yeah, i'm doing it for production[21:59:27] <jeef> imo, at least[21:59:29] <DesiJat> my development is macbook pro in front of me[21:59:33] <jeef> for production i think it could be feasible[21:59:44] <DesiJat> and i have x2100/x4100 servers with 4gb and 16GB of RAM sitting around[21:59:51] <DesiJat> i just dont have a place with a fast pipe i can host them[21:59:55] <DesiJat> and they are too damn loud to run at home[22:00:10] <DesiJat> when u start adding up electric+bandwidth at home, it doesnt make sense[22:00:32] <DesiJat> just pushed the site to EC2 on Friday[22:00:37] <DesiJat> www.unixville.com[22:00:41] <DesiJat> now i need to start updating it again[22:01:21] <jeef> i like the convenience of remote reliable development; i've been using slicehost and linode, both of which are cheap and quite reliable (slicehost perhaps being slightly more reliable in terms of network stability, both close to 100%, though, so it's no huge issue for development)[22:02:00] <jeef> using serverbeach for production; peer1 is amazing[22:02:40] <DesiJat> they offer opensolaris/solaris?[22:02:50] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[22:04:03] <jeef> negative[22:04:11] <DesiJat> k[22:04:12] <jeef> not one of my requirements though :)[22:04:13] <DesiJat> food time[22:04:15] <DesiJat> cool[22:04:32] <jeef> anyhoo, thanks for the comments, good to hear positive things about EC2[22:08:56] <seanmcg> um, you can get opensolaris on EC2.[22:10:38] *** TheK has joined #opensolaris[22:11:21] <TheK> hello. Has anyone here successfully used SunStudio 12 IDE on opensolaris and managed launch the debugger? I keep getting "substitution too long" error.[22:11:38] <TheK> Is that familiar to anyone?[22:12:05] *** snowleopardcat has quit IRC[22:12:26] *** Matson_ has joined #opensolaris[22:12:56] <Matson_> does anyone have a simple cron script that watches partitions and complains/emails when the space gets too lo[22:12:56] *** ken has quit IRC[22:13:10] <Matson_> too low? I'm writing one and was wondering how others had done it[22:13:46] <Matson_> something more elegant than " JOY ~>df -h / | grep -v capacity | ggrep '95%\|96%\|97%\|98%\|99%\|100%'[22:13:47] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[22:15:11] <tsoome> man awk[22:21:30] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[22:23:05] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[22:25:06] *** ken is now known as ken-zZzz[22:32:15] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[22:33:59] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[22:34:53] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC[22:35:33] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[22:36:11] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[22:36:12] <CosmicDJ> Matson_: how others done it... we're using quotas and reservations ;)[22:38:23] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[22:39:59] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[22:41:17] *** onceuponastack has joined #opensolaris[22:43:10] *** gnb_ has joined #opensolaris[22:46:10] *** jeef has quit IRC[22:47:45] *** bizkut_ has joined #opensolaris[22:48:44] *** hudnix has quit IRC[22:49:13] *** estibi has quit IRC[22:56:34] *** victori has quit IRC[22:58:19] *** bizkut has quit IRC[23:08:51] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[23:18:30] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:19:16] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[23:21:08] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[23:22:55] *** luc^ has quit IRC[23:23:25] *** stanojr has quit IRC[23:28:31] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[23:28:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[23:35:28] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[23:44:50] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[23:45:36] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[23:46:07] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[23:46:47] *** bs66_ has joined #opensolaris[23:47:55] *** TheK has quit IRC[23:52:53] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[23:53:20] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[23:54:23] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris