[00:00:27] <lewellyn> i can't understand a thing on that page, but it looks amateurish
[00:00:36] <lewellyn> ecs is at ecomstation.com
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[00:06:55] <gretel> i've been running a bbs on os/2 for years
[00:07:04] <gretel> connected to pots and isdn
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[00:08:06] <gretel> besides spending shitloads of money i've learned a lot about networking and stuff
[00:08:24] <gretel> still makes my day
[00:08:42] <gretel> to sum it up, i love os/2
[00:08:57] <e^ipi> then why don't you marry it?
[00:09:13] <gretel> there's a new love
[00:09:22] <gnut> heheh
[00:09:36] <gretel> my heart is bigger than one os
[00:10:03] <gkl> I'm having a difficult time understanding the advantages of using the automounter versus just throwing mounts in dfstab
[00:10:12] <gnut> e^ipi: why is your nick -1?
[00:10:31] <gretel> gkl: dfstab has no auto in it
[00:10:43] <gkl> right, doesn't it just mount at bootup and stay mounted?
[00:10:49] <e^ipi> gkl: no
[00:10:52] <gkl> oh
[00:11:00] <gkl> then I am horribly mistaken
[00:11:19] <e^ipi> you can, without touching anything to configure it, go to /net/<machine name>/mountpoint
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[00:11:48] <gkl> automount automatically dismounts idle shares, right?
[00:11:50] <Stric> gkl: for instance if you have hundreds of mountpoints and hundreds of machines.. with autofs, only the necessary is mounted (which helps in case of network or server problems)
[00:11:56] <Stric> and keeps 'df' down
[00:11:59] <nachox> gkl, the automounter will automount stuff when you try to access it, and unount them after some iddle time
[00:12:08] <gkl> right, so I'm not mistaken about that
[00:12:40] <gkl> I am going to be doing distributed processing, and the home directories will all reside on one machine
[00:12:52] <gkl> it seems like the overhead in mounting the home dir every time I, say, dmake, would slow things down
[00:13:07] <e^ipi> it doesn't remount them every time, just the once
[00:13:12] <nachox> it'you mount it once
[00:13:14] <e^ipi> per unit timeout
[00:13:35] <Stric> millisecs, and it keeps mounted if something is using the dir and/or within the timeout (3 mins or so)
[00:13:42] <gkl> right, but if I'm dmaking only once every couple of hours
[00:13:46] <gkl> oh, only milliseconds?
[00:13:47] <gkl> okay
[00:13:53] <gkl> then all is well
[00:14:11] <sommerfeld> depends on how far apart server & client are, but if they're close, then, yes.
[00:14:23] <gkl> they're two feet apart
[00:14:37] <gkl> thank you for the help everyone
[00:15:17] <sommerfeld> i really meant network round-trip time but that should be good.
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[00:15:48] <Doc> so is this the channel we ask AIX questions on now?
[00:16:02] <DesiJat> no, but u can solaris questions on #aix
[00:16:20] <DesiJat> questions like "Is AIX 7L going to be Solaris 11?"
[00:17:25] <sommerfeld> anyone asking questions like that now doesn't understand tech company mergers.  1) it may not happen.  2) if it does happen, it will take a while.
[00:18:39] * sommerfeld still has scars from being at apollo when HP bought them
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[00:20:13] <DesiJat> as long as Solaris lives
[00:20:15] <nachox> i wish it didnt happen...
[00:20:23] <DesiJat> Java will live, obviously, no matter what
[00:20:27] <nachox> it doesnt happen actually
[00:20:33] <DesiJat> just need Solaris to keep going
[00:20:50] <Kvsh-> i would prefer apple (or cisco) buying us over ibm
[00:20:55] <DesiJat> apple wont
[00:20:59] <DesiJat> that's fer sure
[00:21:01] <DesiJat> 0 reason to buy sun
[00:21:05] <DesiJat> gets apple nothing
[00:21:23] <DesiJat> and apple doesnt do acquisitions anyways
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[00:21:34] <Kvsh-> well, i am speaking in the perspective of them being a fan of sun products :) nothing more.
[00:21:42] <DesiJat> yuhp
[00:21:47] <nachox> DesiJat, they bought cups
[00:21:56] <DesiJat> but slowly, even apple is wary of buying sun gear right now
[00:21:57] <nachox> and a chip design company
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[00:22:05] <DesiJat> nachox: yeah, tiny tiny acquistions
[00:22:08] <DesiJat> i mean TINY
[00:22:22] <DesiJat> and like i said, it gets apple nothing
[00:22:47] <nachox> control over zfs and lots of extremely talented system engineers
[00:22:56] <DesiJat> they can get the engineers without buying the company
[00:23:03] <DesiJat> matter of fact, some of the ZFS engineers already work here
[00:23:05] <DesiJat> at least 1-2
[00:23:19] <DesiJat> dont need 'control' over zfs to use it/integrate it
[00:23:25] <DesiJat> dont need to buy sun to get zfs
[00:23:31] <DesiJat> (open)solaris
[00:23:32] <e^ipi> nachox: so they can gag the engineers
[00:23:53] <e^ipi> and do petty shit like spread rumors about upcoming products so that you can fire people based on what ends up on appleinsider ?
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[00:24:10] <DesiJat> anyways, no apple. never.
[00:24:13] <e^ipi> apple doesn't sound like a fun place to work
[00:24:23] <DesiJat> ibm will buy it, it'll prolly be done very soon.
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[00:24:28] <DesiJat> e^ipi: it's not ba
[00:24:33] <Kvsh-> it really depends on what the sit-in CEO at apple wants I guess. they did go from a purely computer company to being a consumer telecommunications company. anything can happen.  i just want it to be ibm. other wise a lot of folks would lose their job. =)
[00:24:33] <DesiJat> it's not bad
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[00:24:40] <jbk> what? don't like working under the threat of being fired just because you have the misfortune of sharing an elevator with steve jobs? :)
[00:24:48] <DesiJat> there is no sit-in CEO, it's SJ still :)
[00:25:00] <DesiJat> if they're buying anyone, SJ will be on that call, 100%
[00:25:04] <Kvsh-> isn't he out sick still?
[00:25:17] <DesiJat> phones are a wonderful thing?
[00:25:40] <DesiJat> jbk: vs Sun, where u have to kiss VP ass to get anywhere constantly?
[00:25:46] <DesiJat> incompetent VP ass, nevertheless
[00:25:57] <DesiJat> <-- loved being at Sun, but c'mon, it had it's issues
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[00:26:53] <jbk> DesiJat: and what you describe is different from any other large business how? :)
[00:27:04] <DesiJat> jbk: bingo.
[00:27:14] <DesiJat> same goes for apple
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[00:27:55] <jbk> apple's the only place where i've heard of that (forcing to defend your job because you happen to have the misfortune of being in the same elevator as teh ceo)
[00:28:07] <DesiJat> tons of places like that
[00:28:11] <DesiJat> and that story is way overblown
[00:28:19] <Kvsh-> but you think jonathan would really give up the seat? he is still new, and we're just around that coorner to see how all of this stuff shapes out to become
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[00:28:54] <Kvsh-> ... of course its really up to the investors, but not a lot of people @ sun would like it.. i would think. oh well.
[00:29:03] <DesiJat> i'm surprised schwartz hasnt been fired
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[00:29:10] <DesiJat> but eh, the board is in on the fix
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[00:31:09] <jbk> i don't know enough about cisco's environment to know if it'd be better, but i know enough ex-ibm'ers and they universially say they threat their employees poorly (to use polite language)
[00:31:11] <Kvsh-> of course we all konw this is all a good stunt from sun's marketing.
[00:31:20] <jbk> ever since they had their first layoffs in the 90s
[00:31:45] <Kvsh-> .. with the rumorville.
[00:34:01] <Kvsh-> anyhow, why is it necessary to export/import a pool when i am trying to grow a zpool mirror (with bigger disks)
[00:34:02] <Kvsh-> ?
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[00:35:30] <Kvsh-> i did a offline/replace, but the pool still stays at the older size, until i export/import it. i guess that makes sense, but i swear people were saying that its very easy to grow partitions on the fly.
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[00:47:52] <gkl> I can do "rsh host" but I cannot "rsh host which xterm"
[00:47:57] <gkl> the latter just gets hung up
[00:48:19] <eviljames> Shouldn't it be quoted?
[00:48:24] <eviljames> rsh host 'which xterm' ?
[00:48:26] <gkl> uh
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[00:48:28] <gkl> let's check
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[00:48:38] * eviljames doesn't use rsh
[00:48:42] <gkl> still gets hung up
[00:48:44] <eviljames> ah
[00:48:54] <gkl> I'm trying to get dmake to work using real rsh
[00:48:57] <eviljames> solaris host / solaris client ?
[00:49:03] <gkl> I got it working last night by symlinking ssh
[00:49:05] <gkl> yes
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[00:49:23] <eviljames> symlinking ssh?  So rsh -> ssh ?
[00:49:23] <gkl> what's strange is that I can do just "rsh <host>" and it works fine
[00:49:27] <gkl> yeah
[00:49:28] <_setuid_H> guys I wish you were on #aix 10 minutes ago
[00:49:28] <_setuid_H> :-)
[00:49:32] <_setuid_H> such a flamewar
[00:49:33] <_setuid_H> :-)
[00:49:36] <eviljames> hahaha
[00:49:44] <_setuid_H> zfs ...
[00:49:45] <eviljames> Related to the blue/purple mix being bandied about the media atm ?
[00:49:46] <_setuid_H> zones ...
[00:49:48] <sickness> _setuid_H: about ibm buying sun rumor?
[00:49:49] <_setuid_H> all systems sucks
[00:49:51] <_setuid_H> :-)
[00:49:54] <_setuid_H> sickness: no
[00:49:57] <sickness> k
[00:50:00] <_setuid_H> sickness: the topic is dead
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[00:50:28] <sickness> long life to the topic!
[00:50:29] <sickness> :P
[00:50:34] <_setuid_H> sickness: We closed it as an meaning less act and the duck
[00:50:47] <sickness> k...
[00:50:48] <cambazz> hello. everytime my machine is off, and i start the machine, it gets stuck at the progress bar
[00:50:54] <_setuid_H> :-)
[00:50:55] <cambazz> and when i reset it it boots nice
[00:51:01] <eviljames> gkl: How about reverse DNS?
[00:51:09] <cambazz> how can i pass a kernel parameter so that it shows me errors etc
[00:51:09] <_setuid_H> camnbazz, you should stripe your grub entry :-)
[00:51:25] <eviljames> gkl: nvm, that's a goofy suggestion
[00:51:26] <cambazz> oh just delete things
[00:51:26] <_setuid_H> cambazz: opensolaris2008.*
[00:51:36] <_setuid_H> cambazz: ?
[00:51:50] <gkl> I don't understand why rsh would "half work"
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[00:51:55] <gkl> other than by virtue of the fact that it's rsh
[00:52:05] <cambazz> well there are some extras in the grub entry, and just leave opensolaris2008.* you mean right
[00:52:08] <_setuid_H> cambazz: delete foreground background items and console=graphics at the end
[00:52:16] <cambazz> ok got it
[00:52:19] <chowmeined> what an annoyance
[00:52:20] <eviljames> gkl: but the symlink is calling the ssh binary, right?
[00:52:25] <_setuid_H> cambazz: than add -v to the kernel line
[00:52:32] <cambazz> also, the package manager got unbeliavably slow
[00:52:36] <cambazz> any ideas why?
[00:52:42] <_setuid_H> cambazz: this is caused by python
[00:52:45] <gkl> no
[00:52:46] <cambazz> like when i search a package it takes hours
[00:52:49] <gkl> I went back to using real rsh
[00:52:53] <gkl> enabled the services, etc
[00:52:54] <eviljames> oh
[00:52:58] <gkl> I did have it symlinked last night, and dmake worked fine
[00:53:04] <chowmeined> _setuid_H, no
[00:53:10] <_setuid_H> cambazz: take a look on the file stucture in /var/pkg if you have ips server, it's storing terrrible way
[00:53:22] <eviljames> gkl: Mine hangs no matter what :/ maybe ssh is a better option?
[00:53:25] <_setuid_H> chowmeined: what is the main cause?
[00:53:34] <chowmeined> _setuid_H, lousy design
[00:53:37] <cambazz> ok.
[00:53:40] <cambazz> just rebooting
[00:53:43] <gkl> it just seems hackish to link rsh to ssh
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[00:54:12] <gkl> I want to install grid engine soon as well, and I know that uses rsh to connect to nodes as well
[00:54:16] <_setuid_H> chowmeined: should be the situation changed in the future?
[00:54:20] <gkl> so I figured I might as well do it the "right" way and use rsh
[00:54:53] <eviljames> ahh, gotcha.
[00:54:55] * _setuid_H is going to Zzzzzzzlkjklfsdffkvcjjjjcxvzdsfsd
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[00:55:13] <gkl> maybe this will help
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[00:56:02] <gkl> when I try to "rsh <host> <command>', snoop shows RLOGIN R port=995
[00:56:27] <gkl> if I just "rsh <host>" though, it shows up as
[00:56:30] <gkl> TCP D=2049 S=63710 Syn Seq=840016953 Len=0 Win=49640 Options=< etc etc etc
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[00:57:37] <ottom> gkl: what does 'ls -l /bin/rsh' say?  It should be setuid, owned by root
[00:57:52] <gkl> yeah, it is
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[00:58:12] <gkl> er, that's on white (the box I'm trying to connect to)
[00:58:41] <gkl> but it's the same on black (which is where I'm connecting from)
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[01:01:15] <gkl> is ssh supposed to also be setuid and owned by root?
[01:01:28] <gkl> because it is not, and I can successfully "ssh white which dmake"
[01:01:32] <gkl> whereas I cannot "rsh white which dmake"
[01:01:39] <ottom> no, ssh shouldn't be setuid
[01:01:40] <lewellyn> oh hey! 110 came out!
[01:01:41] * lewellyn downloads
[01:01:49] * lewellyn searches for a blank disk
[01:02:10] <ottom> rsh and rlogin are setuid so that they can get low-numbered ("privileged") port numbers
[01:02:17] <gkl> ah
[01:02:19] <gkl> well wait
[01:02:27] <gkl> let me fiddle with ipf
[01:02:37] <ottom> which makes it weird that your rsh snoop shows it using high numbers
[01:03:16] <ottom> what permissions does your /bin/rlogin have?
[01:03:39] <chowmeined> meh
[01:03:44] <chowmeined> i dont want to build these packages myself
[01:03:53] <gkl> same as rsh
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[01:04:09] <chowmeined> this really sucks about opensolaris, there arent very many packages
[01:04:31] <lewellyn> chowmeined: really? sxce comes with 98% or so of what i need...
[01:04:54] <chowmeined> lewellyn, its not an easy problem
[01:05:06] <chowmeined> people get annoyed with anything less than 100% of what they need
[01:05:25] <lewellyn> chowmeined: SFE is a sane solution for the moment, imo
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[01:05:51] <chowmeined> lewellyn, sunfreeware? it doesnt have it either
[01:05:57] <ottom> gkl: and you're sure that when you run 'rsh' you're really running the one in /bin?  Not some other one on your $PATH, or a shell alias?
[01:06:08] <gkl> well, let me double check that
[01:06:08] <lewellyn> chowmeined: spec-files-extra
[01:06:30] <lewellyn> dude. why isn't this jnlp file opening? :(
[01:06:45] <gkl> yeah, /usr/bin/rsh white works
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[01:07:02] <gkl> but /usr/bin/rsh white which dmake does not
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[01:07:10] <lewellyn> whence rsh
[01:08:14] <ottom> "does not work" means "fails to connect", or "prints junk" or ... ?
[01:08:21] <gkl> it just hangs
[01:08:32] <gkl> it just sits there and waits
[01:08:37] <gkl> until I ctrl+c
[01:08:50] <nachox> whence is a which on steroids?
[01:09:08] <lewellyn> nachox: whence is which that is aware of tracked aliases and stuff ;)
[01:09:23] <nachox> so yes :P
[01:09:23] <gkl> I don't have whence but I have whereis
[01:09:27] <gkl> rsh: /usr/bin/rsh /usr/lib/rsh /usr/ucb/rsh /usr/man/man1/rsh.1 /usr/man/man1m/rsh.1m
[01:09:51] <ottom> whence is a ksh built-in.  which is a csh script in /usr/bin.
[01:09:59] <gkl> oh
[01:10:02] <gkl> let me try whence then
[01:10:11] <lewellyn> or type
[01:10:23] <lewellyn> type gives more data, but possibly extraneous and confusing
[01:10:38] <gkl> whence only returns /usr/bin/rsh
[01:10:52] <nachox> ottom, thanks :)
[01:10:52] <lewellyn> then you're definitely hitting the "right" rsh...
[01:11:18] <gkl> yeah
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[01:11:32] <cambazz> hello, so, how do I modify grub pernemantly
[01:11:36] <gkl> I guess this wasn't an easy fix
[01:11:55] <lewellyn> cambazz: elaborate?
[01:12:04] <cambazz> the grub boot screen
[01:12:10] <cambazz> i want to get rid of the graphical bootup
[01:12:22] <cambazz> permanently
[01:12:31] <cambazz> in linux there is a grub.conf
[01:12:59] <lewellyn> it's on solaris too... o_O
[01:13:11] <cambazz> but where
[01:13:21] <nachox> cambazz, in /rpool/boot
[01:13:22] <lewellyn> if you check /boot/grub/menu.lst, it will tell you ;)
[01:13:54] <lewellyn> nachox: assuming you didn't choose a different name for your root pool ;)
[01:14:01] <ottom> on the server side, is there a listener on the 'exec' port? (tcp/512)
[01:14:12] <gkl> okay, here's something
[01:14:20] <nachox> cambazz, you need to get rid of the console=graphic in the kernel line, and the background and foreground lines
[01:14:23] <gkl> when I just "rsh <white>", its traffic shows up as RLOGIN
[01:14:30] <gkl> when I "rsh white which dmake" it shows up as RSH
[01:14:34] <ottom> right
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[01:14:51] <nachox> lewellyn, noone does that :P
[01:14:57] <gkl> how do I check 512?
[01:15:06] <ottom> they're different ports.  'rsh <host>' behaves like 'rlogin <host>' and talks to the 'shell' port on the server.
[01:15:28] <ottom> 'rsh <host> command...' talks to the 'exec' port on the server.
[01:15:33] <cambazz> levelyn: it is not under /boot/grub
[01:15:42] <gkl> okay, so it would make sense if my exec port is not open
[01:16:11] <lewellyn> nachox: you'd be surprised :(
[01:16:24] <nachox> cambazz,  /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst if your root pool is called rpool
[01:16:30] <ottom> 'netstat -a | grep exec' is the easiest
[01:16:46] <gkl> ottom, that returns nothing
[01:16:49] <lewellyn> there should be a document at /boot/grub/menu.lst saying "DON'T EDIT THIS FILE!" ;)
[01:17:07] <gkl> so I forgot to enable a service other than network/login:rlogin?
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[01:17:27] <gkl> svc:/network/rexec:default
[01:17:29] <gkl> like that one?
[01:17:31] <gkl> yikes
[01:17:36] <ottom> ok, what does 'svcs -a | grep exec' say on the server?
[01:17:54] <gkl> svc:/network/rexec:default is disabled
[01:18:00] <gkl> I assume that's the one I want to make rsh work
[01:18:02] <ottom> the rsh remote-execution service is /network/rexec
[01:18:18] <ottom> yes, exactly.  enable that and you should be in business
[01:19:07] <nachox> rsh is needed for dmake?
[01:19:10] <gkl> yes
[01:19:24] <ottom> but it's weird that 'rsh' didn't fail immediately because its connection was denied.  Do you have a firewall on the server that is also blocking that port?
[01:19:42] <gkl> I enabled rexec but it's still not working
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[01:20:00] <nachox> and i assume you cant get it to use something more secure like ssh, right? :)
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[01:20:14] <gkl> I do have a firewall up (which is probably unnecessary)
[01:20:27] <gkl> but it allows traffic from the local network
[01:20:55] <nachox> what dmake is this?
[01:21:02] <gkl> the sun studio one
[01:21:16] <gkl> dmake: Sun Ceres Distributed Make 7.9 SunOS_sparc 2008/10/23
[01:22:45] <monsted> bleh, my opensolaris box just killed itself again
[01:22:46] <gkl> ah!
[01:22:48] <gkl> got it working
[01:22:55] <gkl> I also needed to enable network/shell:default
[01:23:25] <gkl> thank you so much for the guidance ottom
[01:23:34] <gkl> and everyone else
[01:23:39] <ottom> you're welcome.  I'm glad it's working.
[01:23:42] <gkl> and now dmake works again
[01:23:42] <gkl> hooray
[01:24:46] <ottom> so you might not really need network/rexec, I might have been off by one on the rsh port number
[01:24:54] <gkl> let's try
[01:25:12] <gkl> it looks like I don't
[01:25:21] <gkl> at least, dmake works with network/rexec disabled
[01:25:43] <ottom> I blame parity errors in my old memory
[01:25:52] <gkl> either way, I wouldn't have thought to start poking around at other services which I may have needed to enable
[01:26:29] <ottom> yeah, that rsh->rlogin thing is weird.  It's trying to be friendly but it can end up being confusing
[01:26:57] <nachox> dmake now has a gnu compat mode :P
[01:27:17] <lewellyn> rsh needs to die :P
[01:27:22] <nachox> i agree
[01:27:26] <gkl> I don't like rsh
[01:27:40] <gkl> but dmake does not work over ssh for whatever reason
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[01:27:52] <gkl> SGE also relies on rsh (although it may support ssh)
[01:29:15] <nachox> gkl, it seems like rsh is hardcoded in the dmake binary but there is a report of someone that managed to make it use ssh instead
[01:29:25] <gkl> do you have a url?
[01:29:55] <nachox> http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5072558
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[01:30:12] <nachox> it's an ugly hack apparently
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[01:30:26] <gkl> uglier than ln -s /usr/bin/ssh /usr/bin/rsh?
[01:30:43] <nachox> just as ugly in fact
[01:33:07] <nachox> i'm guessing ssh certificates would be required, i dont know
[01:33:49] <gkl> no, I did that last night
[01:33:56] <gkl> all I did was set up hosts.equiv
[01:34:11] <lewellyn> i wonder if Nik.Molcanov's offer is still valid
[01:35:04] <lewellyn> they could take a page from CVS's book and use $DMAKE_RSH
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[01:37:45] <nachox> that would be cool
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[01:38:17] <cambazz> hello. how can I make a firewire disk work
[01:38:27] <cambazz> its unformatted at the moment
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[01:39:55] <nachox> does format see it?
[01:40:00] <nachox> or rmformat
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[01:40:46] <cambazz> nachox: rmformat sees it
[01:41:02] <nachox> then read man rmformat :)
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[01:41:15] <cambazz> nachox: i am so newbie
[01:41:43] <cambazz> there is no partition in the disk
[01:42:09] <cambazz> so reading rmformat
[01:42:15] <cambazz> it can label a disk
[01:42:17] <cambazz> or format it
[01:42:27] <cambazz> but in which format type
[01:43:53] <cambazz> ah rmformat will not label it saying it is not a removable media device
[01:43:56] <cambazz> but it sees it
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[01:44:32] <nachox> hehe, ouch, i thought that would work :)
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[01:44:50] <nachox> i dont have firewire devices
[01:45:09] <lewellyn> i've not even checked to see if opensolaris *sees* my firewire controller :P
[01:45:23] <nachox> i havent either
[01:45:35] <cambazz> mine works, and it sees the disk
[01:45:41] <cambazz> and i need this 300gb baby working
[01:46:06] <cambazz> rmformat will bitch sayign it is not a removable device
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[01:46:29] <cambazz> /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0p0 <- i give rmformat this as disk right?
[01:49:13] <lewellyn> why not /dev/dsk/blah?
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[01:50:21] <nachox> you label stuff with /dev/dsk devices
[01:51:03] <cambazz> can osol read ntfs at least
[01:51:37] <nachox> it needs extra software
[01:52:19] <cambazz> well what other fs other then zfs
[01:52:21] <cambazz> can it read
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[01:52:30] <flyingparchment> vfat
[01:52:32] <flyingparchment> iso9660
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[01:52:35] <lewellyn> udf
[01:52:36] <nachox> ufs
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[01:53:10] <lewellyn> cambazz: feel free to write a real ntfs filesystem driver ;)
[01:53:41] <cambazz> yeah right
[01:54:36] <cambazz> oh, i made format work
[01:54:40] <cambazz> format -> fdisk
[01:54:45] <nachox> cambazz, http://www.belenix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/FSWfsmisc.tar.gz
[01:54:54] <cambazz> when it asks for partition type
[01:55:00] <cambazz> SOLARIS2 ?
[01:55:32] <nachox> what do you want to do with you disk?, what filesystem do you want there?
[01:55:49] <cambazz> nachox: i dont care, as long as it works with opensolaris
[01:55:53] <cambazz> zfs is just fine
[01:56:08] <cambazz> so, I made a solaris2 partition
[01:56:16] <cambazz> now i need to mkfs on it?
[01:56:23] <cambazz> is there a mkfs.zfs ?
[01:56:39] <nachox> then just label it and add use the whole disk for zfs
[01:57:09] <cambazz> ok, i labeled it as well
[01:57:14] <cambazz> now what do i do?
[01:57:51] <nachox> zpool create poolname device
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[01:58:19] <turtle> if you're using the whole disk you didn't need to partition
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[01:58:42] <cambazz> well, i partitioned, labeled, and volnaed it
[01:58:49] <nachox> DISCLAIMER: REMEMBER TO DETACH THE POOL
[01:59:03] <nachox> before removing the disk
[01:59:08] <cambazz> i dont know i dont know i dont know. i am just a java developer
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[02:00:35] <cambazz> anyway, i gotta sleep. maybe another day
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[02:00:49] <gkl> no thank you or nothing
[02:00:52] <gkl> what a jerk
[02:01:02] <nachox> ?
[02:01:08] <gkl> oh nothing
[02:01:10] <lewellyn> gkl: thank you
[02:01:14] <nachox> he wasnt rude...
[02:01:21] <gkl> I'm just being silly
[02:01:24] <gkl> sorry sorry
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[02:19:57] <lewellyn> awesome. my favorite little grocery now sells Venom Death Adder
[02:20:03] <lewellyn> it tastes like hawaiian punch :D
[02:21:28] <lewellyn> wow. it's not even on the site yet
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[02:37:38] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: surely hawaiian punch is easy enough to find
[02:38:37] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: but not with guarana and b vitamins ;)
[02:38:48] <oninoshiko> ahh... ok
[02:39:00] <lewellyn> i usually drink the Black Mamba
[02:39:13] <lewellyn> the Mojave Rattler tastes like sweet ass :P
[02:39:15] <lewellyn> http://www.venomenergy.com/
[02:40:02] <oninoshiko> is that a good thing?
[02:42:02] <lewellyn> no. i dislike the purple one
[02:42:18] <lewellyn> way too much artificial sweetner
[02:42:19] <nachox> damn isp, they have a new transparent http proxy...
[02:42:29] <lewellyn> nachox: ooh time to move your business elsewhere
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[02:42:49] <sstallion> hrmm
[02:42:53] <nachox> lewellyn, it's a home internet connection
[02:42:55] <sstallion> has anyone had a problem installing recent nevada builds ?
[02:43:04] <oninoshiko> nachox: if it's transperent, whats the problem?
[02:43:07] <lewellyn> nachox: so you don't do business with the,? ;)
[02:43:21] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: makes things harder to troubleshoot?
[02:43:56] <nachox> oninoshiko, they have a nice isp sponsored screen to which you get redirected when you type the wrong address, that annoys me to no end
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[02:46:07] <lewellyn> oh. they break NXDOMAIN
[02:46:10] <lewellyn> that is *very* bad
[02:46:13] <oninoshiko> nachox: that doesnt require a proxy, just a idiotic dns server
[02:46:31] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: most ISPs use a proxy for that
[02:46:34] <nachox> nah, it's only for http traffic
[02:46:38] <lewellyn> it allows them to do other things
[02:47:03] <lewellyn> you don't get user statistics from dns queries
[02:47:26] <lewellyn> hahahah. SDM is *finally* launching
[02:47:37] <nachox> that and tcptraceroute always finish 3 hops away in http traffic :P
[02:47:48] <lewellyn> 2 hours for that .jnlp to open. go java
[02:47:53] <oninoshiko> nachox: little things
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[03:05:41] <nachox> lewellyn, you're using b110?
[03:05:57] <lewellyn> nachox: it's downloading now
[03:06:11] <lewellyn> only at 540 KB/s :(
[03:06:18] <lewellyn> so another hour and a half :P
[03:06:33] <nachox> dont complain.... that's 4 times what i get ...
[03:06:43] <lewellyn> then i will see if i can recover anything from my zfs datasets
[03:06:57] <lewellyn> then i'll re-install on a larger partition
[03:07:47] <nachox> i find that there is nothing that interest me on the next few on builds, PAD might be interesting though
[03:09:34] <lewellyn> i'm very interested in 110, 111, and 113
[03:09:42] <lewellyn> i don't think anything's due in 112 that interests me
[03:10:37] <lewellyn> Subject: Test Drive the Solaris 10 OS on Sun Systems
[03:10:50] <lewellyn> i think sun needs to stop emailing me that :P
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[03:14:34] <nachox> lewellyn, why those?
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[03:16:15] <lewellyn> nachox: apparently 110 and 111 have intel and power fixes, respectively. and i recall the sdcard stuff should be in 113
[03:16:29] <lewellyn> and boomer interests me when it lands
[03:17:06] <nachox> the ones i'm trully expecting are zfs crypto and fmac
[03:17:28] <lewellyn> i'm sad at zfs right now. and i'm not sure i know what fmac is
[03:17:45] <nachox> sad?
[03:17:54] <nachox> fmac is a selinux port to solaris
[03:18:04] <lewellyn> meh. selinux doesn't interest me
[03:18:29] <lewellyn> and sad because zfs is still "young" and not yet resilient towards normal users ;)
[03:18:59] <nachox> no, you cant remove your zfs enabled usb stick without detaching the pool :P
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[03:20:53] <lewellyn> nachox: and you can't let it fill, and there's no real tools for managing it, and moving it physically on the disc appears to destroy it, and...
[03:21:08] <oninoshiko> had far less problems with zfs then reiser, ext3, and ntfs
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[03:21:45] <nachox> ah, yeah, the full zfs filesystem bug is nasty
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[03:22:12] <nachox> for the rest of the stuff... i dont think regular users do those :P
[03:23:20] <oninoshiko> yes the full-fs bug bites, but if you know about it... as for management "zpool" and "zfs" seem to do the job quite well
[03:24:09] <nachox> i dont think i could fill a 40gb disk in my laptop if i wanted...
[03:24:55] <nachox> i have very little patience with old unused files, i just delete them...
[03:28:46] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: i mean external tools
[03:28:53] <lewellyn> anyhow, time to head to the store. back laterish
[03:29:36] <oninoshiko> why do i want some external tool? what is it going to do?
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[03:30:30] <nachox> shrink with gparted :P
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[03:31:03] <lewellyn^> gparted can't deal with zfs, afaict
[03:31:23] <mib_nqiia7> hey everyone.
[03:32:20] <mib_nqiia7> just wanted to shout out a big thanks to everyone who helped me try and track down my zfs/cifs issule yesterday. I followed the advice to try Samba, rather than OpenSolaris CIFS, and indeed, Samba does not have any problems working in my scenario
[03:33:11] <lewellyn^> give the new stuff time to catch up :)
[03:33:15] <oninoshiko> nachox: what good would that do me? I want it set to full disk, or did they change the issue with disks being slower when they are shared
[03:33:53] <mib_nqiia7> however, is there a reliable way for me to benchmark the performance of Samba versus the 'native' CIFS server?
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[03:34:15] <oninoshiko> mib_nqiia7: you might try filebench
[03:34:18] <lewellyn^> benchmarks are useless
[03:34:21] <nachox> lewellyn^, not even native tools can shrink zfs :P
[03:34:56] <lewellyn^> nachox: again it's young :P
[03:35:06] <oninoshiko> but overall i agree with lewellyn for the most part. unless your benchmark is talored to you access pattern it is not useless
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[03:35:11] <mib_nqiia7> oninoshiko: Thanks. I might add that I'm more concerned about impact on CPU load, rather than throughput
[03:36:01] <oninoshiko> not useful*
[03:36:11] * oninoshiko is distracted
[03:36:30] <nachox> mib_0smse47d, try your regular workload and use tools like iostat. vmstat, sar and friends to see what performs better?
[03:36:40] <mib_nqiia7> oninoshiko: I've run solaris CIFS and Samba one at a time and copied a file across the network, to see the kind of CPU usage I get on top... but i guess that that is a rather unreliable way to benchmark the performance hit a server takes from being accessed
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[03:38:20] <oninoshiko> if the access patter you use for testing is simier then it's accurate for your workload. that's what matters
[03:41:02] <mib_nqiia7> oninoshiko: okay, thanks a lot
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[04:15:19] <nachox> how come sun advices their users to use lsof?
[04:15:37] <flyingparchment> what else would they advise?
[04:18:34] <nachox> flyingparchment, they wrote shell script to get what applications opened what port, after that they recommended lsof
[04:19:18] <flyingparchment> lsof does a lot more than just tcp/udp ports
[04:26:12] <nachox> yes, i know, but that is what they are using it for here
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[04:58:26] <nachox> night all
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[05:50:50] <twisti> Hi!
[05:51:22] <twisti> Can someone tell me how to define the modules that get loaded in Xorg 1.5?
[05:53:23] <samc> if you want to change the modules that get loaded by default, you need to create an xorg.conf file (you should be able to run 'Xorg -configure' to create a base one that suits your system) and modify it from there
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[05:53:52] <samc> I'm not sure where opensolaris' xorg looks for the configuration file, but try /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  If that doesn't seem to work for you, check out the Xorg or xorg.conf manpages
[05:54:00] <twisti> samc, Are the default modules compiled into the Xorg binary?
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[05:55:05] <samc> the modules themselves are separate files on disk, but the list of what gets loaded by default is probably hard-coded in the binary
[05:56:09] <twisti> Yeah, seems so.
[05:56:35] <twisti> I really want to get my Synaptics touchpad working.
[05:56:53] <oninoshiko>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf is correct
[05:56:57] <twisti> Any idea when the package will be shipped?
[05:57:15] <twisti> Actually I don't want to create an xorg.conf
[05:58:45] <CIA-33> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6816972 check_rtime should not report libm_hwcap1.so.2 errors
[05:58:45] <CIA-33> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6818585 libprtdiag_psr.so.1 for opl has unused dependancy on libdevinfo.so
[05:58:47] <CIA-33> "Nagaraj Yedathore - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India" <Nagaraj.Yedathore at Sun dot COM>: 6619120 lpmove (1M) core dump when invokes without paramater
[05:58:58] <oninoshiko> well I use one because i have multiple screens
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[06:02:07] <oninoshiko> and samc is correct, Xorg -configure should give you soild default. nothing to be afraid of
[06:04:10] <twisti> I just wonder if I could add the driver to one the the HAL fdi files to load it.
[06:04:41] <oninoshiko> i donno
[06:05:46] <twisti> Thanks anyway.
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[06:34:33] <codestr0m> twisti: I have a synaptics touchpad (Xorg 1.5) and it just works for me.. is there errors in your Xorg startup?
[06:35:53] <twisti> Hi codestr0m
[06:36:11] <twisti> It just thinks it's a mouse.
[06:36:43] <codestr0m> twisti: you could ping alanc.. xorg is still black magic to me..
[06:37:09] <twisti> Sure.
[06:37:12] <twisti> alanc, ping
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[06:37:52] <alanc> it is just a mouse
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[06:38:38] <alanc> there is no synaptics module shipped - I think triskelios has been working on porting it as an SFE package, but it's not in the main repo
[06:39:47] <alanc> Xorg 1.5 in OpenSolaris tries to use HAL for input devices, but Solaris hald doesn't have the input device support done yet, so Xorg never gets any from HAL - the kernel guys are working on adding that support still
[06:40:27] <twisti> I see.
[06:40:41] <alanc> I think that's all the unanswered questions I saw in scrollback, did I miss any?
[06:40:45] <twisti> For the module, I built it myself but it doesn't get loaded.
[06:41:12] <alanc> you'll have to make an xorg.conf and list it there then
[06:41:23] <twisti> Okay.
[06:41:25] <twisti> Thanks.
[06:41:30] <lewellyn> oh hey. 110 is done downloading. time to find a dvd blank, see if i can recover any of my data, then reformat and reinstall
[06:41:37] <alanc> make sure you built the right wordsize module for the Xorg server you're running (32-bit or 64-bit)
[06:41:52] <twisti> Uhh, good point.
[06:41:58] <alanc> if you're running the 64-bit kernel, Xorg defaults to the 64-bit version
[06:42:22] <alanc> and will load input modules from .../modules/input/amd64
[06:42:27] <lewellyn> i think if you build from SFE, it "does the right thing" with the synaptics and wacom drivers
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[06:42:37] <alanc> otherwise, 32-bit modules in .../modules/input/
[06:42:53] <lewellyn> alanc: can you use ISADIR there?
[06:43:05] <twisti> Right.
[06:43:13] <twisti> I'm running 64-bit but built the 32-bit one.
[06:43:18] <alanc> Xorg.0.log should list near the top: Solaris ABI: 64-bit
[06:43:30] <alanc> lewellyn: ISADIR?
[06:45:10] <x58> alanc: When you boot, in grub, ISADIR sets it to either 64 bit or 32 bit
[06:45:16] <lewellyn> like you would at boot. *shrug* since i assume you can't use `isainfo -n`
[06:45:33] <x58> so you can use the same "line" in grub to boot either 64 or 32 depending on what word size your system is.
[06:46:38] <lewellyn> and pam allows $ISA
[06:47:05] <alanc> if you have ISADIR set to "amd64" when booted 64-bit and "" when booted 32-bit, I guess you could use that to find the module directory in your scripts - Xorg doesn't rely on it though
[06:47:17] <alanc> the Xorg binary is a link to isaexec
[06:47:43] <lewellyn> so it "does the right thing"...
[06:48:08] <alanc> the bin/i386/Xorg binary uses the plain upstream code to look in the normal paths, the bin/amd64/Xorg binary has a Sun patch to add amd64 to the end of all module paths
[06:48:32] <lewellyn> interesting
[06:48:49] <alanc> (on sparc we only ship one version, 64-bit only, so use the normal paths there too)
[06:48:56] <lewellyn> i really need to look at the sun patches to xorg. they keep sounding interestinger and interestinger.
[06:49:09] <alanc> any other platform will require porting
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[06:49:26] <lewellyn> but i imagine that the xorg code is as maddening as the x sources have ever been
[06:50:06] <alanc> the X.Org community has been slaying a number of the ancient dragons lurking in the X code, but there's still horrible messes all around
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[06:55:46] <lewellyn> lbx was a dragon that once had potential :P
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[06:59:07] <twisti> alanc, Last quick question: where does %ifarch gets its value from?
[06:59:44] <alanc> twisti: sorry, I don't know much about spec files - try asking the guys in #pkgbuild
[06:59:51] <twisti> Alright.
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[07:00:20] <lewellyn> twisti: it uses isainfo's output, iirc
[07:01:37] <twisti> Hmm
[07:01:48] <twisti> But why did it build only the i386 version?
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[07:02:33] <lewellyn> of?
[07:02:58] <twisti> Ohh, wait...
[07:03:21] <oninoshiko> well here that command returns "amd64 i386" i wonder if it's only doing the first one it encounters (as in someone forgot about a loop?)
[07:03:23] <twisti> I was wrong.
[07:03:27] <twisti> It got built.
[07:03:37] <twisti> Sorry.
[07:03:53] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: isainfo -n
[07:03:55] <twisti> Let's try to get it working.
[07:03:57] <twisti> Thanks all.
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[07:04:18] <lewellyn> that'd be the "native" instructions
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[07:06:22] <qiyong> does/will solaris support ext2/3 ?
[07:06:35] <oninoshiko> no, unkown
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[07:08:37] <fraggeln> qiyong: http://www.sun.drydog.com/faq/9.html#s9.24
[07:10:17] <qiyong> ext2fs is in solaris 10, but not opensolaris? fraggeln
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[07:11:09] <fraggeln> (for Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris ("Nevada"),
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[07:12:05] <qiyong> i want offical, not 3rd party
[07:13:48] <oninoshiko> qryong: then no. there is a project to add it
[07:14:29] <lewellyn> you could use fuse *shrug*
[07:14:29] <fraggeln> qiyong: mount it over nfs then?
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[07:14:52] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: we have fuse?
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[07:15:06] <qiyong> oninoshiko:  can I launch such a project?
[07:15:47] <oninoshiko> qiyong: one already exsists: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/
[07:15:48] <lewellyn> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fuse/
[07:16:09] <lewellyn> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fuse
[07:16:20] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: i had no idea... guess its on that long list of things i've never needed
[07:17:07] <lewellyn> i'm almost tempted to play with it after reinstalling, instead of using FSWfsmisc for ntfs
[07:19:07] <lewellyn> fsmisc does 99% of what i need
[07:19:15] <lewellyn> what it DOESN'T do is let me use find :(
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[07:21:51] <_setuid_H> Morning everybody
[07:22:32] <krisis> _setuid_H: Morning
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[07:35:03] <bgupta> Electino over?
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[08:20:33] <eklof> Hi. Will OpenSolaris support RocketRAID 2340 controller ?
[08:21:28] <eklof> solaris is not listed at their hp, but perhaps there is some driver support?
[08:23:12] <codestr0m> _setuid_H: morning
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[08:27:04] <lewellyn> eklof: check the HCL?
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[08:29:22] <eklof> Oh no highpoint support :(
[08:30:38] <fraggeln> eklof: no promise either
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[08:30:56] <lewellyn> eklof: this may be enlightening: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/driver-discuss/2006-August/003445.html
[08:31:02] <eklof> Areca 1260 works, but I bet that is expensive :)
[08:31:43] <fraggeln> eklof: adaptec works as well
[08:32:07] <eklof> Do they have a "reasanobly" priced 16 port card?
[08:32:30] <fraggeln> no
[08:32:41] <eklof> :)
[08:32:47] <fraggeln> adaptecx is not cheap at all, at least not for homeusers
[08:33:19] <eklof> ok
[08:33:51] <lewellyn> unless you go with their marvell-based stuff
[08:34:44] <fraggeln> dunno about 3ware, if its supported.
[08:34:58] <eklof> Adaptec 31605 seems quite ok, 6010 SEK for 16 ports and opensolaris support.
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[08:35:33] <fraggeln> its cheap / port at least
[08:36:15] <eklof> exactly, gonna run it in JBOD and raidz anyway so the raid-chip is not that important how good it is.
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[08:53:16] <lewellyn> eklof: then it doesn't matter much what you get, does it? ;)
[08:53:46] <DTEIT> morning
[08:54:14] <DerSaidin> msg DerSaidin 17:36:41 < eklof> Adaptec 31605 seems quite ok, 6010 SEK for 16 ports and opensolaris support.
[08:54:17] <DerSaidin> oops
[08:54:26] <DerSaidin> taking note fail
[08:54:56] <DerSaidin> I'll be after a nice cheap 16port raid card or HBA soon :>
[08:56:14] <e^ipi> the two are mutually exclusive
[08:56:21] <e^ipi> "cheap" and "16 port"
[08:56:50] <eklof> lewellyn: correct, but it seems impossible to find 16x non-raid pci-e cards. So I will have to buy one with a raid-circuit anyway.
[08:57:21] <eklof> e^ipi: 6000 SEK /<500$ is cheap I'd say.
[08:57:37] <eklof> 600$ even.
[08:57:46] <e^ipi> for a supported card ?
[08:57:50] <eklof> yes.
[08:57:52] <e^ipi> ( i mean fully supported, as in SAS )
[08:57:53] <e^ipi> nifty
[08:57:59] <eklof> yes
[08:58:17] <eklof> adaptec 31605 is that cheap here
[08:58:24] <eklof> a supported sas-card it seems.
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[08:58:49] <eklof> I'll go with that then
[08:59:33] <e^ipi> fleabay has one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Adaptec-31605-16-Port-RAID-Controller_W0QQitemZ230331625460QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Networking_Components?hash=item230331625460&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1240|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
[08:59:37] <e^ipi> oops
[08:59:41] <e^ipi> sorry... longlink
[08:59:46] <eklof> shortest url ever :=)
[08:59:56] <e^ipi> http://is.gd/o9kj
[08:59:59] <e^ipi> ebay--
[09:00:08] <eklof> ohh !!!
[09:00:38] <eklof> I DO NOT ship outside the US.
[09:00:38] <e^ipi> closes in 7 days so it won't be anywhere near the $10 it's at now
[09:00:39] <eklof> :(
[09:01:26] <eklof> around 600 dollars new on ebay as well
[09:01:38] <e^ipi> you don't know anyone in the US that can recieve and forward it for you?
[09:01:47] <eklof> sorry I dont.
[09:02:43] <eklof> Darn I hate my low currency right now. Even though the dollar is on the downfall it's still high here :/
[09:02:56] <e^ipi> actually, speaking of which
[09:03:17] <e^ipi> if there are any americans in here... do you have some sort of service like a PO box that i can rent that'll recieve packages for me?
[09:03:53] <e^ipi> vancouver is so close to the border that a PO box in bellingham, WA in order to get "will ship to USA only" packages is a worthwhile thing to rent
[09:04:41] <DTEIT> eklof: you need a sas controller? 16x ports?
[09:04:51] <eklof> DTEIT: yep
[09:05:03] <DTEIT> why not buy two 8x ports?
[09:05:09] <DTEIT> they are cheaper
[09:05:16] <eklof> It's actually more expensive i've found out.
[09:05:23] <DTEIT> really?
[09:05:26] <eklof> From those I've seen anyway
[09:05:48] <DTEIT> where are you from?
[09:05:54] <eklof> Sweden.
[09:06:23] <DTEIT> uhm...in germany an intel sas 8x costs about 180€
[09:06:53] <eklof> really, that's way lower then what i've seen here.
[09:07:05] <eklof> strange.
[09:07:24] <codestr0m> eklof: earthclassmail will receive and forward mail anywhere in the world if you plan to do this regularly
[09:07:53] <eklof> codestr0m: not really, just want to ship this card.. I bought the case of ebay as well
[09:08:04] <eklof> but not a regular custumer
[09:08:55] <DTEIT> eklof: http://www.mylemon.at/artikel,nr,119434,INTEL,SASUC81_RAID_SAS_Controller_PCIe_8x.htm
[09:09:07] <DTEIT> they should ship to sweden as well
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[09:09:40] <eklof> I'd love to buy from inside EU actually so I won't have to pay the extra fee.
[09:09:54] <eklof> DTEIT: that is a opensolaris supported card?
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[09:10:59] <DTEIT> i' don't know....but intel sould be, i suppose
[09:11:05] <eklof> 2 of those is actually 4000 SEK, not too bad.
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[09:12:01] <Stric> eklof: ebay.de stuff usually has shipping within europe
[09:12:13] <eklof> Stric: good tip, thatnks.
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[09:13:08] * lewellyn likes froogle.com
[09:13:14] <lewellyn> dunno if it works outside the us :(
[09:13:28] <eklof> it did :)
[09:13:53] <Stric> but way fewer us companies/persons will send to europe, compared to european companies/persons
[09:14:00] <eklof> http://www.google.com/products
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[09:14:21] <lewellyn> eklof: froogle.com is easier :)
[09:14:48] <DTEIT> eklof: anyway give a look here http://geizhals.at/eu/
[09:15:12] <eklof> My German is a bit rusty
[09:15:19] <lewellyn> hm. i can't figure out how to tell google that it's a foreign country to be shipped to :P
[09:16:16] <Cyrille> product search also works for UK and DE (google.co.uk/products or google.de/products)
[09:16:20] <lewellyn> ah
[09:16:23] <lewellyn> good to know :)
[09:16:38] <Cyrille> that's why I'm mentioning it :-)
[09:18:44] <trochej> Coffee
[09:19:20] <codestr0m> I'm trying to debug something in dbx, but stop in execv doesn't seem to be stopping.. files shows the run.c which has the execv that I'm 99% sure is happening, but stepping all the way there will take a while.. suggestions? why is it not breaking at execv call?
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[09:40:37] <kolla> how do I configure static default ipv6 route?
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[09:43:43] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5257/6n7bql84u?l=en&a=view#blaet "Setting a stop Breakpoint at a Line of Source Code"
[09:44:32] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I'm fully aware of that.. and still it doesn't trigger.. and the app has been compiled with -g.. so that's why I'm trying to stop at the execv call
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[09:47:04] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5257/6n7bql86r?l=en&a=view "All breakpoints and other events are deleted for any exec() or fork() process." maybe?!
[09:48:04] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: oopse. ok. thanks. that may be exactly what I was missing
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[09:56:50] <kolla> "You'll have to supply your own service to configure default routes for IPv6."
[09:58:43] <CIA-33> Kacheong Poon <Kacheong.Poon at Sun dot COM>: 6812115 jurassic assertion fail in ipcl_conn_destroy: connp->conn_ref == 0
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[10:21:44] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: setenv follow_fork_inherit on doesn't seem to change what dbxenv says.. is that expected?
[10:26:14] <asyd> time to jumpstart a quadri socket quadri core blade! ;p
[10:31:18] <seanmcg> asyd, still 'only' 16 cpus.. :)
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[10:53:51] <lewellyn> asyd: where's the duck?
[10:53:59] <asyd> ah yes
[10:54:00] <asyd> \_o<
[10:54:05] <lewellyn> that's more like it
[10:54:11] <lewellyn> <insert something here>
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[11:03:50] <Maverick1618> Hey all!! I have a question, how do i check md5sum of a CD in opensolaris?
[11:04:40] <lewellyn> um. how would you do it elsewhere? :P
[11:04:56] <Maverick1618> as in the device CD, and will it be the same as the ISO that it was burned from
[11:05:18] <lewellyn> i get what you're saying. i suspect you know the answer without realizing it ;)
[11:06:11] <Maverick1618> @lewellyn - do u mean the device file?
[11:06:30] <trochej> Maverick1618: You check md5 sum of iso file you burned cd from
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[11:06:51] <trochej> Maverick1618: you may also make a iso of your burned CD and check it too
[11:06:55] <lewellyn> trochej: the paranoid check the device, too :)
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[11:07:10] <lewellyn> Maverick1618: i assume you're from linux-land?
[11:07:12] <trochej> If your burn went bad, your resulting iso would not validate
[11:07:23] <trochej> lewellyn: And they md5-sum their coffee also
[11:07:27] <Maverick1618> @trochej - The thing is i do not have access to the ISO, i have just been given the CD. and the md5hash
[11:07:28] <trochej> Which I dont :)
[11:08:03] <trochej> lewellyn: Actually, I can sensibly md5 a cd device?
[11:08:17] <Maverick1618> Creating an ISO out of the CDROM takes too much time.. and im in Opensolaris
[11:08:38] <lewellyn> trochej: yes.
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[11:08:56] <trochej> lewellyn: Hmm, sound logical
[11:08:59] <trochej> sounds
[11:09:05] <trochej> Never thought of it
[11:09:33] <Maverick1618> @trochej - I tried taking the md5 of the device file /dev/dsk/cxtxdxs2 and /dev/dsk/cxtxdxs0 .. both are same and both do not match the iso
[11:10:03] <trochej> Dear bits on the platter! I had a coffee two hours ago!
[11:10:08] <trochej> Im slipping
[11:10:11] <lewellyn> md5sum -c file.md5 /dev/dsk/c1d0p0s2
[11:10:16] <lewellyn> or something like that. it's 3am :P
[11:11:01] <trochej> Maverick1618: I never mdsumed my device, so I dont know
[11:11:10] <lewellyn> the .md5 is vital as it says whether it's a binary or text sum
[11:11:32] <lewellyn> (in case you've ever wondered why sometimes there's a * in front of an md5sum *shrug*)
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[11:16:14] <tynar> mono 2.4 installs without problem on opensuse 11.1, right? i couldn't find the install link on webpin
[11:16:47] <trochej> tynar: Probably. Go and ask opensuse guys. :)
[11:17:02] <tynar> oops, sorry
[11:17:15] <trochej> No problem. :)
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[12:08:13] <mib_0smse47d> Hi
[12:08:49] <mib_0smse47d> How we can come to know our ntp sync is successfull?
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[12:17:19] <rno> xntpdc
[12:17:25] <rno> > sysinfo
[12:17:52] <rno> This will give you information about your ntp sync
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[12:26:32] <mib_0smse47d> rno i am able some info
[12:26:45] <mib_0smse47d> but which i should check on the list
[12:27:56] <mib_0smse47d> but which one i should check on the sysinfo it is successfull
[12:31:48] <Maverick1618> trochej : i have tried doing md5sum on both device file and iso and they do not match :(
[12:32:24] <Maverick1618> Trochej : Guess there is some difference betn and ISO and the CD
[12:35:19] <Maverick1618> Repeating my question.. If i have a CD_ROM with an iso image burnt onto it, how do i genereate a md5 using that CD so that i can compare it with the ISO?
[12:35:27] <Maverick1618> in Opensolaris
[12:37:54] <cypromis> md5sum
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[12:38:11] <cypromis> hmm they do not match with ?
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[12:38:41] <seanmcg> digest -a md5
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[12:43:09] <lewellyn> Maverick1618: did you not see my commandline earlier, or something? :P
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[12:55:57] <perlmongo> Maverick1618 In linux-land I  used the procedure described here:    http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/10/07/verify-a-burned-cddvd-image-on-linux/
[12:56:30] <perlmongo> I guess a similar method would work for Solaris as well (I could be wrong)  ?
[12:59:06] <CIA-33> Vamsi Nagineni <Vamsi.Krishna at Sun dot COM>: 6810086 panic in rctl_incr_swap() due to freed up proc structure, 6557272 assertion failed: zone->zone_max_swap >= swap, panic during dism stress test
[12:59:07] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 4987752 setpgrp(2) audit record seems to show failure. (fix lint)
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[13:14:56] <TiOaN> hi
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[14:32:22] <Deesl> hello everyone :)
[14:32:25] <Deesl> what is the equivalent of immutable flag in normal linux like systems?
[14:33:14] * lewellyn thinks you should ask ##linux about linux ;)
[14:33:45] <Deesl> No I want the equivalent in opensolaris :)
[14:33:59] <Deesl> I want to set the immutable flag on a file in ZFS solaris install
[14:35:35] <lewellyn> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-2271/ghbzj?a=view
[14:35:51] * lewellyn points to the "see SAG" in topic :P
[14:36:03] <Deesl> lewellyn: thank you for the link :) I will read through it
[14:36:12] <lewellyn> there's a reason it's in /topic ;)
[14:36:20] <Deesl> lewellyn: very well
[14:36:37] <lewellyn> also, it's a pdf download for most of the books :)
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[14:38:54] <Deesl> i will have a look :)
[14:38:59] <Deesl> thank you so much for telling
[14:39:07] <Deesl> actually new to the Solaris world
[14:39:08] <Deesl> hence asking
[14:40:06] <Deesl> but thats no excuse for not reading documentation
[14:42:12] <Deesl> why does it say invalid mode S+ci?
[14:42:21] <flyingparchment> use /usr/bin/chmod
[14:42:32] <flyingparchment> the default path is broken and puts gnu tools first, and they don't understand solaris functionality
[14:43:19] <Deesl> indeed
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[14:50:04] <lewellyn> flyingparchment: you mean opensolaris's default path is broken. sxce's is correct ;)
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[14:50:52] <flyingparchment> he is obviously using opensolaris, which is what i was talking about
[14:50:58] <exl_> hi, i just add an pata disk to my opensolaris, it appears in /var/adm/messages but not in format, any clues ?
[14:51:09] <flyingparchment> exl_: run devfsadm
[14:51:24] <exl_> i did that
[14:52:24] <Deesl> what does printdiag -v say?
[14:52:36] <Deesl> prtdiag i mean
[14:53:09] <Deesl> any failuers there?
[14:53:14] <Deesl> failures I mean
[14:53:49] <exl_> no failures
[14:54:03] <exl_> when i boot in failsafe mode i see the disk, strange !?
[14:54:16] <Deesl> pass
[14:54:17] <Deesl> :(
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[15:48:39] <lewellyn> hi ;)
[15:48:45] <xTC-> Hey :P
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[15:48:56] <xTC-> I was wondering if there're any alternatives to debug the solaris kernel, as I can't afford any Sparc machine to myself (:
[15:49:13] <xTC-> (and using VMware isn't a real solution)
[15:49:14] <lewellyn> opensolaris/sxce/solaris 10 all run quite happily on x86
[15:49:19] <lewellyn> opensolaris has a livecd :)
[15:49:40] <xTC-> My RAM is only 128mb (:
[15:49:51] <lewellyn> ow :P
[15:49:53] <holcomb> wow.
[15:49:56] <xTC-> :)
[15:50:17] <xTC-> Though, I got 1tb of HD :D
[15:50:18] <lewellyn> i don't think even minix likes 128mb anymore. ;)
[15:50:47] <xTC-> lewellyn, Hey, I did run gentoo-*(linux etc) other flavors of BSD on it many times (:
[15:50:48] <lewellyn> xTC-: you may find this page interesting, regardless :) http://opensolaris.org/os/TryOpenSolaris/
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[15:51:16] <lewellyn> and i recall someone saying amazon offers opensolaris in their cloud
[15:51:37] <xTC-> lewellyn, Should I upload a "Donate" page and post it everytime ?:D
[15:51:58] <lewellyn> ?
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[15:52:36] <xTC-> lewellyn, I can't afford buying anything like that
[15:53:33] <lewellyn> i know nothing of amazon's cloud service. i just am passing on what i know has been mentioned :)
[15:53:48] <lewellyn> but check that cloud link on the Try page. it's free :)
[15:54:52] <xTC-> "You can then play for 1 hour and test out the new features in the latest release of OpenSolaris 2008.11. " :P
[15:56:51] <lewellyn> it's free. i don't know the details ;)
[15:57:02] <trichobezoar> minix runs in 640kb :P
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[15:57:40] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: not anymore. it requires 16mb. though there's an 8mb version, too
[15:58:11] <lewellyn> the 128mb thing was a joke, btw :P
[15:58:23] <xTC-> I know ;p
[15:58:45] <CIA-33> John Levon <john.levon at sun dot com>: PSARC/2009/105 Time stamp option for xxstat commands, 4775687 would like a timestamp option like iostat has added to mpstat, vmstat and prstat, Contributed by Chad Mynhier <cmynhier at gmail dot com>
[15:59:19] <trichobezoar> runny, mine's still running in 640kb...
[15:59:26] * lewellyn thinks that's fair enough, there...
[15:59:30] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: minix 3?
[15:59:40] <xTC-> lewellyn, Do they continue to develop it ?
[15:59:44] <xTC-> minix, that is
[15:59:54] <trichobezoar> that's that newfangled technology innit?  I dont go near them
[15:59:56] <Zaba_> xTC-, afaik, slowly, but yes
[16:00:08] <lewellyn> xTC-: actively, though slowly
[16:00:09] <lewellyn> https://gforge.cs.vu.nl/gf/project/minix/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=/trunk/src/
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[16:02:11] <xTC-> :o
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[16:02:47] <JWheeler> does anyone have snv_110 up and running. I can't make the grub entries for it, luactivate just isn't working correctly
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[16:03:20] <sickness> damn, I've just done luactivate and rebooted from remote =)
[16:03:20] <sickness> ghgh
[16:03:32] <lewellyn> JWheeler: i still can't find a dvd blank lying about, so i'm not up to 110 yet :P
[16:03:33] <sickness> iii, it works :)))
[16:03:45] <lewellyn> and i'm not going to be using lu :(
[16:04:02] <JWheeler> I just upgraded mine using loopback
[16:04:19] <sickness> title snv110
[16:04:19] <sickness> findroot (BE_snv110,0,d)
[16:04:19] <sickness> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix
[16:04:19] <sickness> module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive
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[16:04:34] <JWheeler> hrm... luactivate says all the right things about updating the grub menu, but in /rpool/boot/* nothing has been touched
[16:05:00] <JWheeler> and it's saying dumb things like the grub menu default setting is unaffected
[16:05:07] <JWheeler> hrm..
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[16:05:28] <JWheeler> well I've manually created the boot archive using bootadm -R, and that's about as much as I know of the solaris boot process
[16:06:00] <JWheeler> I tried just changing the current boot entry manually while booting to reference the new findroot and bootfs, but that didn't seem to work
[16:06:22] <JWheeler> sickness, so you're not using zfsroot?
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[16:12:43] <JWheeler> ok, well it came up this time, so manually running bootadm fixed that much... I guess I'll just have to manually create the grub entries myself and hope that it doesn't create a problem next time I upgrade too
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[16:13:19] <lewellyn> JWheeler: report a bug so there's a chance it gets fixed in time :)
[16:13:33] <lewellyn> (unless there is already a bug. i suck at searching for bugs...)
[16:13:38] <JWheeler> well it's hard to know if it's just me....
[16:13:52] <lewellyn> and sickness
[16:14:01] <JWheeler> I'll at least search for one, but something this big would have already been on the mailing lists if it was affecting others, surely
[16:14:13] <lewellyn> nah. people expect sxce today
[16:14:27] <lewellyn> i didn't have it scheduled for another 5 or 6 hours, here
[16:15:07] <lewellyn> haha. bunny standing on os/2 box. too bad he'll move if i try to take a picture :(
[16:15:28] <lewellyn> and he did :P
[16:15:50] <JWheeler> I also did make the 'mistake?' of not upgrading my SUNWlu* packages beforehand, so that may have been my bad too
[16:15:58] <JWheeler> heh
[16:16:24] <Deesl> what is a good book for solaris?
[16:16:32] <Deesl> I mean opensolaris administration
[16:16:35] <lewellyn> yeah. that's a really sucky thing about lu :P
[16:16:58] <JWheeler> I'm rather surprised that it can't do that for you
[16:17:09] <xRaich[o]2x> Deesl: there is the opensolaris bible never read it though
[16:17:18] <Deesl> oh very well
[16:17:24] <JWheeler> I mean, you do have the CD loaded or mounted in order to do an luupgrade -u, so it already has access to the media it needs to upgrade itself
[16:17:28] <JWheeler> ips does this, doesn't it?
[16:17:35] <JWheeler> ipkg I mean
[16:18:34] <sickness> JWheeler: nah, I'm using ufs root
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[16:18:50] <lewellyn> Deesl: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.23
[16:18:51] <lewellyn> :)
[16:19:12] <Deesl> lewellyn: I have trouble reading too much from computer screen
[16:19:17] <Deesl> printed books are better for me
[16:19:20] <lewellyn> then print the PDFs ;)
[16:19:32] <lewellyn> there's a download all button
[16:19:39] <Deesl> oh very well
[16:19:52] <lewellyn> your local copy shop will love you for it ;)
[16:20:39] <lewellyn> the zfs book alone is about 300 pages
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[16:21:15] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah the solaris online documentation is pretty massive
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[16:25:34] <JWheeler> init 6 is the "official" way to restart with lu, isn't it? I'm not having a brain fart on this
[16:25:41] <JWheeler> I remember reboot was bad
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[16:26:43] <seanmcg> yes, its init 6.  Otherwise the /etc/inet/*lu* scripts don't get run
[16:29:02] <lewellyn> seanmcg: i have yet to get a good explanation as to why that is
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[16:29:24] <lewellyn> would you happen to know? :)
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[16:34:00] <CosmicDJ> who?
[16:34:12] <lewellyn> well, anyone, really :P
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[16:34:50] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: http://blogs.sun.com/dp/entry/speeding_to_a_halt
[16:35:39] <seanmcg> lewellyn, see /etc/init.d/lu - it runs bits when stopping (i.e. init 6)
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[16:38:18] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: yes. i know about that. but i was wondering why lu, specifically, requires init 6.
[16:38:50] <lewellyn> you'd think that it'd shut down lu and then do its boot archive
[16:39:06] <lewellyn> seanmcg: on my S10U6 system, i see nothing specific to init 6
[16:39:08] <lewellyn> just start/stop
[16:40:11] <CosmicDJ> seanmcg: said it 2 times, and it's written in the blog entry above, shutdown/reboot/halt do *not* run any scripts or stop smf services
[16:40:16] <CosmicDJ> s/://
[16:41:10] <lewellyn> but it *DOES* create the boot archive
[16:41:29] <lewellyn> i'm wondering why it doesn't stop lu first, as that would be the sane and expected behavior
[16:41:45] <lewellyn> and people have expected that for years and have cursed when it doesn't happen
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[16:42:02] <lewellyn> if nothing else, just lu :)
[16:42:17] <lewellyn> there's gotta be some historical reason sun's annoyed its users, right?
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[16:45:08] <leche> hey guys, theres said that i have to use the text based installer for using zfs as a root partition, but i cant find the text installer. when im selecting it in grub, im getting a login shell where i can login as jack and nothing more.
[16:45:19] <leche> wheres the text based installer?
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[16:46:04] <CosmicDJ> leche: it's only in SXCE or Solaris 10
[16:46:08] <lewellyn> leche: you only need the text-based installer for sxce
[16:47:08] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: well, lu is dead, so why bother? ;)
[16:47:25] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: not in sxce it's not.
[16:47:44] <leche> well, but how can i install on a zfs pool then ? i have 6 discs and partitioned all into 2 partitions, created a zpool for data and one zpool for the root file system. how do i have to proceed?
[16:48:07] <lewellyn> leche: what operating system disc are you trying to install?
[16:48:21] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: lu's sourcecode is still closes and will remain so, so I'd say we won't see it in any future solaris next release
[16:48:42] <leche> meaning, i have one pool containing the first partitions  of all discs and another pool with the second partition of all discs.
[16:48:53] <CosmicDJ> leche: 6 disks? 2 pools? both raidz?
[16:49:01] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: that doesn't mean it's dead for those of us who have to use it every 2 weeks ;)
[16:49:13] <leche> lewellyn: i think its 2008.11, wait ill check it.
[16:49:40] <leche> CosmicDJ: no, just the datapool is raidz, the rootpool contains 2*3 mirrors
[16:50:09] <leche> lewellyn: yes, its 2008.11
[16:50:23] <lewellyn> leche: then you don't need to do anything. your only choice is zfs ;)
[16:50:35] <CosmicDJ> leche: usually you install opensolaris first and then you start creating pools ;)
[16:50:42] <lewellyn> just install using the only installer on the disc, which is not text-only ;)
[16:50:51] <lewellyn> and you can't have a raidz root
[16:52:25] <lewellyn> at least not right now.
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[16:52:37] <lewellyn> you could once upon a time, and you should be able to again in the future :)
[16:53:07] <leche> CosmicDJ: but which disc do i select for the installer? i want to install it on the "mirror stripe" combination of the root pool and not on a single disk
[16:53:39] <leche> does the installer destroy the existing pools?
[16:53:49] <crichardso> i got a question if you create a pool besides the rpool the loging stuff like zil is that stored on the new pool or on the rpool?
[16:53:55] * leche is confused how all this could work :D
[16:54:22] <CosmicDJ> leche: you can't with opensolaris 200?.??, it only supports installing to *one* disk (but you can add more later)
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[16:55:14] <leche> CosmicDJ: ok, so now i install to the first disc and later i create the pools that does exactly what i did before?
[16:55:54] <CosmicDJ> well you should be able to import your raidz pool
[16:56:18] <CosmicDJ> adding mirrors requires some more work (if you want to boot from them...)
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[16:58:02] <CosmicDJ> crichardso: where do you think this stuff is stored? :)
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[16:58:52] <CosmicDJ> leche: http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[16:59:08] <leche> CosmicDJ: but is there any better solution? i dont have and disk slots to add a disk just for osol
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[16:59:42] <trichobezoar> if using a zvol for iscsi slows things down, i assume using it for swap doesnt help matters much either
[16:59:53] <CosmicDJ> leche: why another disk? just use one of the disks from your rootpool you wanted to use for / anyway
[17:00:33] <leche> CosmicDJ: shall i keep the partitions? cause they dont seem to be recognized by the installer
[17:00:55] <leche> the installer just has the whole 6 discs.
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[17:02:15] <CosmicDJ> if you used the "whole disk" when you created your rootpool, you might have an EFI label on them now, and you can't boot from EFI disks
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[17:03:27] <leche> no, i created real partitions with fdisk and the rootpool consists of the first partition of each disk
[17:04:28] <CosmicDJ> if there's no data on your pools yet, just start from scratch
[17:05:37] <leche> ok, so now im destroying both pools and just install osol on one partitition of one disk. right?
[17:06:01] <CosmicDJ> the installer will setup your disk automagically
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[17:06:45] <leche> ok, then ill do this and come back later
[17:06:50] <leche> thank you so far
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[17:10:19] <crichardso> cosmicdj i kinda thought that was the case but i wanted to make sure that my crappy rpool disks arnt going to affect the logging of my storage pool
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[17:12:19] <gkl> hi
[17:12:27] <gkl> how do I change the alias for the "fixed" system font?
[17:12:48] <gkl> I've been digging around in /usr/openwin
[17:13:02] <gkl> but I haven't had much luck
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[17:35:11] <leche> < CosmicDJ> adding mirrors requires some more work (if you want to boot from them...)
[17:35:16] <leche> < CosmicDJ> adding mirrors requires some more work (if you want to boot from them...)
[17:35:36] <leche> ups, sry, could you say 1-2 words to this statement?
[17:36:01] <CosmicDJ> leche: 18:00 < CosmicDJ> leche:
[17:36:02] <CosmicDJ> http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[17:36:14] <leche> ah, this one, thx
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[18:01:38] <gretel> hi
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[18:10:18] <lewellyn> gkl: /usr/openwin is pretty much dead :)
[18:10:24] <lewellyn> or ":(" as the case may be
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[18:17:03] <gkl> :(
[18:17:19] <gkl> I just can never remember how to change font settings
[18:17:22] <gkl> or any settings really
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[18:17:39] <gkl> it's mostly for xterm, but different things use .Xdefaults, .Xresources, and apparently a third one
[18:17:52] <gkl> kind of like how bash sometimes uses .bashrc and other times .bash_profile
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[18:20:19] <noyb> yeah..  that's icky.  And I know this may be totally wrong, but I make .bashrc a hard link to .bash_profile.  :-)
[18:20:28] <gkl> me too
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[18:23:35] <JWheeler> softlink here
[18:23:50] <JWheeler> what is the reason for using a hardlink... I can't say I've _ever_ used them
[18:24:27] <joshcarter> trying to build opensolaris here; could anyone tell me where the closed bins are supposed to go? the docs aren't very clean on that
[18:25:51] <codestr0m> joshcarter: just pm me..
[18:26:01] <codestr0m> and I have a guide for this I need to dig out for you
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[18:31:44] <gkl> I just got used to it
[18:31:55] <gkl> that's the only reason I use it, but it is not very friendly on opensolaris
[18:32:57] <trichobezoar> heh dont steal the help from going out into the chan, codestr0m
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[18:43:00] <sstallion_work> joshcarter: its all in the developer's guide on os.o
[18:43:16] <sstallion_work> joshcarter: but, to save some time, closed/ should be placed in the directory you checked out onnv-gate to
[18:43:46] <sstallion_work> so... lets say /ws/onnv-gate is where you have your clone - closed should look like: /ws/onnv-gate/closed
[18:43:58] <sstallion_work> you can also update your opensolaris.sh script to point to a different path
[18:45:03] <joshcarter> ok, that's what I had, but the build was failing because of something missing in onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libc.
[18:45:14] <joshcarter> ...saying that closed bins was not unpacked properly.
[18:45:31] <joshcarter> I think it was missing some symlinks into closed.
[18:45:35] <sstallion_work> oh
[18:45:38] <sstallion_work> you didnt make setup did you ?
[18:45:50] <joshcarter> (1 sec, on phone)
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[18:46:23] <sstallion_work> anytime you check out a fresh clone, you need to issue 'make setup' (bldenv should have said as much when you ran it)
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[18:46:58] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: I thought nightly would do this for you and it was explicitly needed or did this change in the last couple months?
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[18:47:33] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: you do not have to use nightly to build ON bits - in fact, I wouldnt suggest using it unless you are building the entire shebang
[18:48:18] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: umm.. I don't use nightly, but I suspect that's how joshcarter will be building it
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[18:49:20] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: not sure if nightly does a make setup - at the very least grep doesnt think so ;)
[18:49:54] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: the script itself doesn't, but the deps from the build will
[18:50:19] <sstallion_work> ehh I don't think so
[18:50:28] <joshcarter> back.
[18:50:32] <sstallion_work> setup is a one time thing
[18:50:45] <joshcarter> so, I'm using nightly at the moment because I'm trying to do at least one vanilla, by-the-book build.
[18:51:02] <joshcarter> then my plan is to build xvm and an opensolaris dom0.
[18:51:04] <sstallion_work> joshcarter: drop into usr/src and issue 'dmake setup'
[18:51:43] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: setup is not a dependency in the primary Makefile - I don't believe there is any automatic behavior there
[18:53:05] <joshcarter> sstallion_work: ok, I'll try that in a sec, thanks.
[18:53:07] <joshcarter> (back in a few, lunch)
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[18:58:51] <CIA-33> ja208388: 6654501 Dvorak layout not supported, 6669272 Slovenian keymap is wrong, 6773432 Entries in kbd_layouts file (kbd -s output) are not properly sorted out, 6773439 Slovakian should be changed to Slovak in 'kbd -s' output
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[19:17:37] <MrStamp> I just downloaded 2008.11 and it boots into a grub prompt, I get no menu
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[19:17:49] <MrStamp> this is an Ultra 24 workstation
[19:18:19] <MrStamp> has anyone seen this behavior?
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[19:22:48] <mike-osx> MrStamp: I have seen that when I used a very old graphics board
[19:23:15] <mike-osx> it turned out as soon as I replaced that I came to the gdm login screen
[19:23:42] <MrStamp> I'm not even getting to the installer though
[19:24:07] <mike-osx> there is no installer until you are on the gnome desktoü
[19:24:12] <MrStamp> and it's a brand new machine, so the card shouldn't be old, though I'm not sure what model it is
[19:24:21] <MrStamp> I see
[19:25:07] <mike-osx> is there any (e)SATA guru here?
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[19:25:26] <mike-osx> I just installed a PCI-E SATA board (Sil3132)
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[19:25:43] <mike-osx> the device is found and the driver got installed (Sil3124)
[19:26:04] <mike-osx> however as soon as I plugin an external disk I can no longer boot
[19:26:14] <mike-osx> not even from CD (it starts but hangs later)
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[19:35:10] <MrStamp> I just verified my install disk and it looks like it's corrupted, so I'm sure that's the issue
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[19:48:44] <mike-osx> can anyone here help with vnc setup?
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[19:49:12] <mike-osx> I don't want remote desktop but vnc even before anybody is logged in
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[19:50:51] <mike-osx> I have already managed to run the xnvc server as service and setup a password (and can connect to it)
[19:51:02] <mike-osx> however I only see a gray window with a cross like cursor
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[19:51:17] <mike-osx> I want to get to the gdm login screen, how can I do that?
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[19:54:08] <JWheeler> ooh, mysql 5.1 in snv_111. Nice
[19:56:00] <brett_> mike-osx: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=234583&
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[19:58:28] <mike-osx> brett_: thx, I used the conf file in /etc/X11 ...
[19:58:36] <mike-osx> trying now the other...
[19:58:37] <CIA-33> Wyllys Ingersoll <Wyllys.Ingersoll at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/725 TPM Support, 6771298 Solaris needs a PKCS11 provider for the TPM, 6771289 Solaris needs TCG support
[19:58:51] <holcomb> i was just reading that - what is tcg?
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[20:01:00] <e^ipi> trusted computing .. something
[20:02:44] <holcomb> group
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[20:02:50] <holcomb> sorry, should have googled before saying anything
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[20:22:19] <cidco> question: I created a raidz pool with 3 1tb drives. i typed zpool create storage raidz hd1 hd2 hd3, this comand works. When i type zpool list it shows the new zpool but with 2.77TB so it appears to be using all 3 drives. I thought in raidz one is parity
[20:22:22] <cidco> ?
[20:22:47] <gnb_> zpool shows the "whole" disk capacity
[20:22:50] <gnb_> try zfs list
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[20:23:18] <cidco> gnb_ your a genious THanks!!
[20:23:35] <cidco> was worried that i did something wrong. or created a striped set or something
[20:24:07] <gnb_> zpool status will show you what type of vdevs your pool consists of (mirror, raidz, etc.)
[20:24:19] <cidco> one other thing, if a drive fails, how do i know which drive it is?
[20:24:38] <e^ipi> cidco: zpool status
[20:24:48] <cidco> will it report the serial # or something ? I have a desktop pc im setting this up on and was just wondering how i could tell physicaly which drive died.
[20:24:50] <e^ipi> it'll tell you the pool is degraded and which disk is the problem
[20:25:16] <e^ipi> you can just decode the dev node
[20:25:21] <e^ipi> no meaningless sdX here
[20:25:32] <e^ipi> c0t0d0 = first controller, first disk
[20:25:33] <e^ipi> etc
[20:26:15] <cidco> ahh , always wondered what that stood for. Sorry new to solaris.
[20:26:46] <e^ipi> if you still can't figure out the disk, iostat -En will give you more information that you can link devnode -> disk with
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[20:37:56] <mike-osx> brett_:  works so far, however I get an error message when logging in from my mac (using jollyvnc). It says my config file is invalid (for the login dialog) but it does not say which file it is actually.
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[20:38:32] <mike-osx> and I cannot change the resolution of the window (it's something like 640x480 or 800x600) too small
[20:38:48] <mike-osx> brett_: any hints?
[20:39:14] <mike-osx> I also looked through the logs but did not find anything related
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[20:40:28] <e^ipi> xorg.conf?
[20:40:34] <e^ipi> *shrug* NFI
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[20:40:57] <teknoprep> hi all
[20:41:02] <teknoprep> ServeRAID-MR10i is this controller supported by opensolaris ?
[20:42:05] <mike-osx> e^ipi: well, I looked at custom.conf and xstartup
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[20:42:09] <e^ipi> that's a model number from a rebranding
[20:42:12] <e^ipi> what's the chipset?
[20:42:19] <teknoprep> don't know
[20:42:39] <teknoprep> LSI 1078
[20:42:40] <teknoprep> possibly
[20:42:42] <e^ipi> then it's about as helpful as "is everything in a Dell m248 supported?"
[20:42:58] <e^ipi> nobody knows what's in it so who knows
[20:43:10] <e^ipi> LSI 1078 is supported
[20:43:20] <teknoprep> woohoo
[20:43:22] <teknoprep> ty
[20:43:27] <e^ipi> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/search?q=lsi+1078&defs=&refs=&path=%2Fonnv%2Fonnv-gate%2Fusr%2Fsrc%2Futs&hist=&project=%2Fonnv
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[20:43:54] <e^ipi> if you search for things in the kernel source, you get a much better picture than the HCL
[20:47:31] <teknoprep> e^ipi, looks like an LSI 1064
[20:48:02] <e^ipi> teknoprep: go here: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/
[20:48:22] <e^ipi> type in "LSI 1064", and check the "only in uts" button. then click search
[20:48:29] <e^ipi> if something pops up, it's supported
[20:48:54] <teknoprep> woohoo
[20:48:55] <teknoprep> ty
[20:49:18] <e^ipi> you can do that for pretty much anything
[20:51:28] <teknoprep> how is lenovo support generally for OpenSolaris ?
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[20:53:13] <xRaich[o]2x> teknoprep: works pretty nice on my sl500
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[20:55:14] <teknoprep> cool
[20:55:45] <teknoprep> is there a good USB install for opensolaris ... so i can use that box for ZFS storage ?
[20:56:01] <teknoprep> i don't want to have to have 2 drives dedicated for OS
[20:59:22] <CIA-33> Dina K Nimeh <Dina.Nimeh at Sun dot COM>: 6666204 meta slot opens and closes /dev/urandom needlessly for every read, 6722460 finish moving /dev/random and /dev/urandom seeding and usage to libcryptoutil
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[21:03:38] <lewellyn> e^ipi: "if something pops up, it's supported"... unless, of course, it is a comment that says "XYZ is broken." ;)
[21:04:11] <e^ipi> i had assumed a certain level of reading comprehension
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[21:07:50] <|rt|> what's the best book on OpenSolaris and ZFS for someone who's familiar with Linux?
[21:08:18] <xRaich[o]2x> docs.sun.com :P
[21:08:37] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno about the "opensolaris bible". seems to be quite complete
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[21:09:13] <|rt|> xRaich[o]2x: thanks
[21:09:39] <|rt|> seems to be some decent info on the genunix.org wiki too
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[21:10:19] <|rt|> I just got in the first couple of parts for a new file server I plan on putting together at home
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[21:10:41] <|rt|> I hope to use it to do some testing too to see if it's a direction I want to go with storage where I work
[21:10:46] <teknoprep> ZFS is really easy
[21:11:08] <|rt|> we are looking at the Sun 71xx series unified storage products
[21:11:18] <teknoprep> they are expensive for what they are
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[21:11:39] <|rt|> teknoprep: you obviously haven't priced out enterprise storage solutions
[21:11:40] <teknoprep> i would honestly suggest an HP 180 with 14 HDD... 2 for OS and 12 for storage
[21:11:46] <teknoprep> oh no of course i havn't
[21:11:53] <teknoprep> i work with NetApp all day
[21:11:59] <teknoprep> and they are really really expensive
[21:12:00] <e^ipi> teknoprep: the aren't expensive for what they are
[21:12:01] <jkimball4> hmm... emacs fonts messed up and left/right meta keys switched in 110
[21:12:03] <jkimball4> anyone else seeing that?
[21:12:08] <|rt|> yeah netapp is expensive
[21:12:20] <teknoprep> e^ipi, no they aren't.. but its still relative
[21:12:20] <jkimball4> before i blow away my gnome confs
[21:12:35] <teknoprep> i have been using the HP DL180 with the 14 hdd conversion kits... with OpenSolaris on them
[21:12:39] <teknoprep> works great for VMware
[21:13:05] <|rt|> the problem with the 71xx series is the lack of external sas expandability....so I'm considering other equipment and just putting opensolaris on it but we'll see...budget is going to be tight with the economy
[21:13:15] <teknoprep> SuperMicro boxes with 25 2.5 inch HDD SAS is very nice
[21:13:40] <|rt|> if I could find a nice sata box it would probably be better for our budget
[21:13:41] <jbk> how much space do you think you'll need?
[21:13:58] <e^ipi> |rt|: x4500
[21:14:04] <|rt|> 3-4TB should handle any growth we'll have for the next few years
[21:14:18] <e^ipi> oh... you probably don't need an x4500 then
[21:14:30] <e^ipi> that's 48TB
[21:14:57] <|rt|> we have 1.8TB currently and it's getting pretty full....we also have another few TB that's 30 days worth of hourly snapshots using rsnapshot.....I hope to use ZFS to replace that particular thing
[21:15:00] <fraggeln> Promise M610i :)
[21:15:07] <fraggeln> lovley little boxes :)
[21:15:53] <|rt|> fraggeln: yeah I was looking at the promise boxes as well
[21:16:08] <fraggeln> |rt|: I have 18 of them in production, realy nice.
[21:16:16] <fraggeln> biggest zfs is 75tb.
[21:16:25] <lewellyn> e^ipi: assuming reading comprehension of the masses is asking for trouble. :)
[21:17:02] <|rt|> fraggeln: at my old shop we used a lot of storage arrays from Aberdeen which were pretty good for the money
[21:17:16] <fraggeln> |rt|: url?
[21:17:30] <fraggeln> to the boxes, not the shop :)
[21:17:34] <|rt|> the PSU's would go a lot though...so had to keep some spares on hand but their 5 year warrenty worked out great for those situations
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[21:17:53] <|rt|> www.aberdeeninc.com
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[21:28:02] <|rt|> fraggeln: I've been told that their Linux based Nas units aren't that great though so I would mostly use them for their FC, SCSI, or SAS array and jbod units
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[21:34:48] <e^ipi> |rt|: that's silly, why not use solaris for fc, scsi, sas, etc
[21:35:23] <e^ipi> you can share all those protocols via comstar, and get all the benefits ( snapshots, checksums ) of ZFS
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[21:39:27] <|rt|> e^ipi: you could use any OS you want....their hardware is simply the storage itself
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[21:39:39] <|rt|> well depending on what part of their products you're looking at
[21:39:53] <e^ipi> n/m, misread
[21:40:00] <|rt|> obviously their NAS boxes and iSCSI SAN gateways have something on them
[21:40:13] <e^ipi> i interpreted what you said as you building a linux box and then sharing the disks out
[21:40:15] <|rt|> ah
[21:40:23] <e^ipi> solaris is much better suited for that
[21:40:25] <ball> I'm thinking of deploying Solaris on a server that a few people would use at once, possibly via Ray terminals
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[21:40:36] <|rt|> e^ipi: that's essentially what their Linux based NAS unit is doing
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[21:41:07] <e^ipi> |rt|: you can cut up a zpool 6 ways from friday, share the LUN's out however you like
[21:42:22] <|rt|> e^ipi: yeah that's what I plan on doing
[21:42:46] <ball> ...currently I have NetBSD on the box. It works beautifully but the applications have a tendancy to either not build, or to burst into flames without provocation.
[21:42:50] <ball> (e.g. SeaMonkey)
[21:43:05] <ball> ...though I suspect SeaMonkey does that everywhere.
[21:43:52] <ball> Suffice to say it's not something I can put in front of civilians.
[21:44:08] <|rt|> e^ipi: my file server that I'm putting together at home to play with is going to have 6 250GB sata drives and gigE so I hope to test out cifs, nfs, and iscsi features of opensolaris and zfs with it
[21:44:21] <e^ipi> there's also fcoe
[21:44:47] <jbk> is fcoe intergrated yet?
[21:44:50] <ball> |rt|: we have three 160 Gbyte drives as RAID-5, which isn't what I asked for, but what we ended up with.
[21:44:53] <e^ipi> if you pick up a couple SAS cards you can use that as well
[21:45:11] <e^ipi> ( i mean share out a zvol as a SAS lun )
[21:45:11] <jbk> i thought it required special cards & switches
[21:45:27] <e^ipi> jbk: fcoe ? i dunno, i saw the putback fly by a while ago i think
[21:45:30] <ball> sd0: 298 GB, 65535 cyl, 255 head, 37 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 625032368 sectors
[21:46:02] <e^ipi> yep, Changeset: 79961490b734: PSARC/2008/310 FCoE
[21:46:33] <jbk> hmm ok
[21:46:43] <e^ipi> March 18, 2009 12:12:52 PM PDT
[21:46:54] <jbk> i know there was some talk of needing some LLDP stuff
[21:47:03] <jbk> but we're kinda stuck at the moment because of aggregations
[21:47:11] <jbk> they've thrown a wrench into the design a bit
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[21:49:16] <TT> which ips version will have 2009.06?
[21:49:55] <xRaich[o]2x> you mean which opensolaris build?
[21:49:55] <|rt|> don't you need a separate network for FCoE or atleast vlan
[21:49:56] <ball> I should phone Sun to ask for Ray pricing
[21:50:05] <e^ipi> whichever 111 respin is determined to be sane
[21:50:20] <TT> ah ok
[21:50:23] <TT> thx
[21:50:23] <e^ipi> |rt|: i think so
[21:50:27] <jbk> hmm is the ls stuff gonna miss the window?
[21:50:36] <e^ipi> yeah :-/
[21:50:40] <jbk> :(
[21:50:42] <e^ipi> what's happening with your ARC case, anyways?
[21:50:47] <jbk> no idea
[21:50:52] <jbk> garrett went on vacation
[21:50:56] <e^ipi> hmm
[21:50:56] <jbk> so it's not even been submitted
[21:52:13] <TT> si first ips 111 will be out in 2-3 weeks right?
[21:52:24] <e^ipi> yeah
[21:52:25] <e^ipi> round there
[21:52:45] <TT> ok thx
[21:54:09] <TT> an other question which latency time is lower for a file? 1pool with 1 raidz1 with 6 disks or 1 pool with 2 raidz1 a 3 disks?
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[21:55:02] <|rt|> TT for read or write?
[21:55:14] <TT> read
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[21:55:42] <TT> i dont mean the bandwridth
[21:56:13] <e^ipi> why not try both and benchmark it
[21:56:40] <e^ipi> write'll be faster in the second case most likely ( since then you only need to read 1 disk to calculate checksum, instead of 4 )
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[21:57:16] <gnut> do they sell high resolution laptops anymore?
[21:57:26] <gnut> like with SXGA+?
[21:57:46] <SplasPood> Hrm.. can dumpadm be used to set a ZFS volume as the savecore location?
[21:57:52] <e^ipi> yes
[21:58:10] <SplasPood> the volumes are mounted/ready to go at that time during boot?
[21:58:31] <SplasPood> oh, that yes wasn't for me :)
[21:58:36] <e^ipi> it was
[21:58:40] <SplasPood> oh yea?  cool
[21:58:44] <e^ipi> # dumpadm
[21:58:44] <e^ipi>       Dump content: kernel pages
[21:58:44] <e^ipi>        Dump device: /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/dump (dedicated)
[21:58:45] <SplasPood> so they are mounted at that point?
[21:58:52] <SplasPood> not the dump device
[21:58:55] <CIA-33> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6819579 zone attach expects zonepath to exist
[21:58:56] <CIA-33> Justin Frank <Justin.Frank at Sun dot COM>: 6702349 cpu info in picl devtree may be missing or incorrect on x86
[21:58:57] <SplasPood> but where it saves the core file out to
[21:59:04] <SplasPood> upon next boot
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[21:59:12] <e^ipi> same place it always does
[21:59:16] <SplasPood> Savecore directory: /var/crash/p-storage0
[21:59:23] <SplasPood> can *that* be a ZFS fs
[21:59:31] <e^ipi> yes
[21:59:52] <e^ipi> "zfs root" doesn't mean "zfs root, except for a bunch of stuff"
[22:00:26] <SplasPood> ok well maybe I should clarify
[22:00:33] <SplasPood> this is a Sol10 U5 host
[22:00:45] <SplasPood> it's got a UFS root, but a normal zpool additionally
[22:01:30] <|rt|> e^ipi: well zfs root isn't without strings.....only mirrored pools are supported currently right
[22:01:54] <e^ipi> correct
[22:02:09] <e^ipi> but that's because of the way BIOS handles booting
[22:02:13] <e^ipi> ( id est, horribly )
[22:02:31] <holcomb> kill the bios.
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[22:03:06] <ceri> I thought that was because grub doesn't understand raidz
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[22:03:40] <e^ipi> i think both are true
[22:04:12] <ceri> ok.  efi ftw :)
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[22:05:41] <tomww> efi heals every surgery :-)
[22:06:51] <e^ipi> efi's not really an open protocol though
[22:07:03] <e^ipi> ISTR that a bunch of stuff you have to license
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[22:18:55] <gretel> re
[22:19:18] <trichobezoar> What packages do I need to install to be an iscsi initiator?  I have SUNWiscsi, SUNWiscsit, SUNWiscsidm, SUNWscsitgt, but iscsiadm modify discover --static enable gives unexepcted OS error
[22:20:33] <ceri> trichobezoar, OpenSolaris?  "pkg install storage-server"
[22:22:31] <trichobezoar> ok thanks ceri.  it is opensolaris
[22:22:35] <gretel> storage-server was everything i had to install to get my nifty litte NAS running
[22:23:36] <trichobezoar> 6777543 allow the default MTU of an etherstub to be set
[22:23:36] <trichobezoar>              via properties
[22:23:50] <trichobezoar> That little bugger is a bugger
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[22:24:39] <ceri> I really need to get around to playing with crossbow.
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[22:25:00] <trichobezoar> I tried to put a xen domu on it.  It wont ping out because of the MTU...
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[22:25:06] <trichobezoar> or in or anything
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[22:26:56] <gretel> geez if i werent that tired i'd try to explain my recent ZFS problems and ask for help
[22:27:30] <gretel> 'd love to skip a week of work and just keep on exploring the new frontiers of OpenSolaris
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[22:28:05] <ceri> gretel, Problem is that you need to take a week off every month
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[22:30:08] <gretel> maybe i should revert to being a freelancer
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[22:32:50] <trichobezoar> I dont think that package helps me with an initiator
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[22:33:29] <ceri> trichobezoar, you're probably right, I didn't read the question properly sorry
[22:33:54] <crichardso> trichobezoar did you just upgrade recently? was it working before?
[22:34:12] <trichobezoar> yes im using 109
[22:34:27] <crichardso> i know that for me the 108 update killed my iscsi stuff i had to install it then had to reboot for it to work
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[22:35:24] <gretel> i've failed sorting out CHAP issues but basically i was able to use both initiatior and target with 109
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[22:36:39] <trichobezoar> i didnt try before
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[22:51:30] <cambazz> when is the next release coming up any one knows?
[22:51:49] <cambazz> I am running 8.11 and i want to try the next one
[22:53:07] <seanmcg> 2009.06, though you can also try out the current release (which today is based on build 109)
[22:54:59] <MrStamp> I just added a second disk to my zfs pool, and now it says to install grub to make the device bootable. Is it necessary, since I already have a bootable disk?
[22:55:36] <CosmicDJ> do you want to boot from the 2nd disk in your mirror when the first disk fails?
[22:56:01] <MrStamp> yep
[22:56:16] <CosmicDJ> then it is necessary
[22:58:02] <MrStamp> thanks
[22:58:30] <CosmicDJ> hm, could it be that ipfstat is broken? I see negative numbers when running ipfstat -t
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[22:58:56] <CIA-33> Eiji Ota <Eiji.Ota at Sun dot COM>: 6778626 Lack of the error check in ibmf_i_mad_completions() can lead to a panic or an inconsistent condition
[22:59:10] <CIA-33> Rod Evans <Rod.Evans at Sun dot COM>: 6801536 ld: mapfile processing oddities unveiled through mmapobj(2) observations
[22:59:28] <samc> heh, maybe it uses signed ints and your counters are so high it thinks they're negative? :p
[22:59:36] <samc> would you expect the counters to be huge?
[23:01:02] <CosmicDJ> 120 hours doesn't sound "huge"
[23:01:12] <trichobezoar> depends what you're doing ;P
[23:02:18] * lewellyn can't come up with a valid answer, and shuts up
[23:03:04] <lewellyn> 120 hours is a workweek *shrug*
[23:03:08] <samc> lewellyn: phft, speculating is half the fun
[23:04:11] <lewellyn> samc: yes, but every speculation i can come up with will get someone glaring at me.
[23:04:19] <lewellyn> i'm not plazma, after all ;)
[23:05:19] <Atomdrache> There is no "z" in that word.
[23:06:14] <gretel> what's a plama?
[23:06:29] <Atomdrache> A plasma that's missing a consonant.
[23:06:38] <gretel> must be hot
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[23:36:10] <evocallaghan> Howdy
[23:36:55] <evocallaghan> Quick one. How do debug suspend / resume if suspend works fine however resume never brings back the box past a black screen and a flashing green moon LED ?
[23:37:59] <evocallaghan> I don't believe I can ssh in although I have not had a second box to try with yet
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[23:51:40] <seanmcg> possibly disable gdm/cde-login , i.e. no Xwindow and run sys-suspend or uadmin from the text console ?
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[23:56:34] <evocallaghan> seanmcg: ok wll read the uadmin man page now. Thanks buddy
[23:56:40] <evocallaghan> s/will
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[23:59:55] <evocallaghan> seanmcg: ok what is the uadmin part about ?

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