March 19, 2009 
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March 19, 2009 [00:00:13] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[00:02:06] *** Reepicheep has left #opensolaris[00:02:42] *** ricardo-vlh has quit IRC[00:02:44] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[00:02:54] *** coollinux has joined #opensolaris[00:03:54] <coollinux> don't i have to set font path for the x server as well[00:04:10] <eviljames> Have you tried?[00:04:33] <e^ipi> it should already have a font path with many pretty unicode fonts for your viewing pleasure[00:05:30] <pasky> seanmcg: thanks[00:10:42] *** coollinux has quit IRC[00:12:30] *** mustang has joined #opensolaris[00:12:54] *** asarch has quit IRC[00:13:46] *** axisys has quit IRC[00:14:48] *** gothos has joined #opensolaris[00:15:21] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[00:16:03] *** cambazz has quit IRC[00:17:35] *** tamr has quit IRC[00:18:05] *** wewek has left #opensolaris[00:19:24] *** joshcarter has quit IRC[00:19:31] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[00:20:50] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[00:21:07] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris[00:24:17] *** russd has joined #opensolaris[00:24:55] *** aveteam has quit IRC[00:25:01] *** comay has quit IRC[00:28:11] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[00:28:33] <wbkang> Hello[00:29:36] <wbkang> How do I setup an nfs share so that it will mount automatically at boot time? I tried enabling nfs/client and putting an entry on vfstab but it does not mount at boot time.[00:29:48] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[00:29:53] *** cwebber has quit IRC[00:30:02] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris[00:30:20] *** Marv|LG has quit IRC[00:32:24] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[00:33:28] *** gaveen_ has joined #opensolaris[00:35:18] *** gaveen has quit IRC[00:36:59] *** gretel has quit IRC[00:37:43] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[00:39:03] *** jteo has quit IRC[00:40:53] *** fenris_ has quit IRC[00:43:37] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris[00:44:46] *** makalii has joined #opensolaris[00:44:51] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[00:44:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[00:45:40] *** testing123testin has joined #opensolaris[00:45:42] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[00:49:27] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[00:49:52] *** makalii_ has joined #opensolaris[00:51:52] *** Chipdancer_ has joined #opensolaris[00:52:08] *** makalii_ has quit IRC[00:53:34] *** ikarius has quit IRC[00:57:05] *** ericjray has quit IRC[00:57:38] *** makalii has quit IRC[00:57:58] *** Stric has quit IRC[00:58:01] *** Stric has joined #opensolaris[00:58:43] <CIA-33> Sukumar Swaminathan <Sukumar.Swaminathan at Sun dot COM>: 6803657 Solaris does not successfully bind to more than 40 Emulex 8 Gb FC ports on an M9000/32[00:58:45] <CIA-33> Srikanth, Ramana <Ramana.Srikanth at Sun dot COM>: 6800865 libunistat builds errant tools during install_h, 6803107 sdbc and rdcsrv are chatty in debug mode[00:59:43] *** chrism has quit IRC[01:00:00] *** capaz has left #opensolaris[01:02:36] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[01:06:19] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[01:06:39] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[01:07:29] <gkl> hi everyone[01:07:35] <gkl> I have a question about install servers[01:08:02] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[01:08:39] *** alfism has quit IRC[01:08:58] <gkl> it's very straightforward to set up an install server so that I can install opensolaris on a headless box[01:08:58] *** felipe_ has quit IRC[01:09:09] <gkl> but is there a quick way to completely remove the install server once it's done?[01:10:13] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[01:10:22] <gkl> like I have no idea what that setup_install_server does[01:10:47] *** Chipdancer_ has quit IRC[01:11:27] <gkl> I would run it from within a zone[01:11:30] <gkl> except I have no idea how to do that[01:12:42] *** koberoi has quit IRC[01:15:06] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[01:17:18] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[01:17:39] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris[01:17:48] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[01:17:53] *** scoffin has quit IRC[01:18:20] *** sch has quit IRC[01:18:41] *** testing123testin has left #opensolaris[01:18:59] *** quenelle has left #opensolaris[01:19:17] <trichobezoar> has anybody gotten a crossbow vnic to be attached to a xen domain?[01:21:21] <e^ipi> gkl: you would install SUNWjet, and read the instructions[01:21:24] *** hohum has quit IRC[01:21:31] <e^ipi> and when you're done remove the packages and what have you[01:21:43] <gkl> SUNWjet? I've never heard of that[01:21:47] <gkl> I will look it up[01:22:02] <gkl> I normally use Solaris_11/tools/setup_install_server[01:22:35] <e^ipi> it makes it a hell of a lot easier[01:22:43] <bda> JET++[01:23:53] <gkl> so I can use the one provided on the sunsite? I don't need one for SXCE?[01:24:08] <bda> Yes.[01:24:10] <gkl> excellent[01:24:11] <gkl> thank you very much[01:24:28] <bda> Enjoy.[01:27:05] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[01:31:17] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[01:41:02] *** jmatrix has quit IRC[01:41:32] *** felipe_ has joined #opensolaris[01:42:04] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[01:42:23] *** wbkang has quit IRC[01:42:23] *** stevel has quit IRC[01:42:31] *** esok has quit IRC[01:43:20] *** kim0 has quit IRC[01:43:43] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[01:43:50] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[01:46:16] *** prav33n has quit IRC[01:50:05] *** fenris_ has joined #opensolaris[01:50:43] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[01:50:49] *** crink has joined #opensolaris[01:52:55] <crink> hi is there opensparc related channel?[01:53:40] *** jmatrix has joined #opensolaris[01:54:21] <trichobezoar> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=89079[01:58:23] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris[01:59:18] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[01:59:52] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[02:01:04] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[02:02:41] *** bs66_1 has joined #opensolaris[02:03:16] <crink> trichobezoar: it isn't about opensparc..[02:04:33] *** fenris_ has quit IRC[02:04:35] <trichobezoar> crink: this channel isnt a collection of opensparc people, so you probably wont get much help. feel free to ask your question thoguh[02:04:40] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[02:04:54] *** lewq has quit IRC[02:05:04] <crink> ok[02:11:03] *** bs66_ has quit IRC[02:13:25] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[02:13:42] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[02:16:11] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[02:18:11] *** ericjray has quit IRC[02:18:18] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[02:19:28] <gkl> okay, so[02:19:35] <gkl> I'm setting up jet[02:20:00] <gkl> is there a way to make the installation interactive so that I can vacillate on what options I want to choose at the moment?[02:22:15] <e^ipi> no, you fill in the template file[02:22:27] <gkl> alright[02:22:46] *** capaz1 has joined #opensolaris[02:23:05] <gkl> then my next question is what is the typical primary disk in my system?[02:23:09] <gkl> c0t0d0s2?[02:23:35] <gkl> for base_config_profile_zfs_disk, I mean[02:25:42] *** gaveen_ has quit IRC[02:26:46] * timeless chuckles[02:27:08] <timeless> it looks like /var/mail/jack did a push somewhere in osol[02:28:02] *** capaz has quit IRC[02:32:07] *** erast has quit IRC[02:32:16] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[02:33:07] *** cwebber has quit IRC[02:34:14] <nachox> hi guys[02:34:54] <nachox> e^ipi, do you see yourself wearing blue? :P[02:35:12] <e^ipi> i usually work in PJ's[02:35:40] <e^ipi> ISTR IBM prefers people dress businessy[02:36:25] <nachox> today i went to an interview for a company called globant, i told the HR dude that sysadmins from argentina were useless or mediocre :P[02:36:30] *** joshcarter has joined #opensolaris[02:37:16] <lewellyn> this is probably the best article i've seen: http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/IBM/Why-is-IBMNot-CiscoBuying-Sun-714806/[02:38:02] <nachox> i'm pissed noone talked about those other cool sun products ibm was getting for free like sun ray software or ssgd[02:38:46] *** mboyer has quit IRC[02:38:56] <e^ipi> nachox: what country was that interview in?[02:38:58] *** mboyer has joined #opensolaris[02:39:05] <nachox> argentina[02:39:47] <e^ipi> k, no idea what the anti-discrimination laws are like there[02:40:04] <e^ipi> here anyways that'd be pretty illegal[02:40:07] *** capaz1 is now known as capaz[02:40:11] <lewellyn> nachox: no one talks about them because they'll be treated like os/2: you can have them if you ask, but it won't necessarily be easy[02:40:33] <nachox> e^ipi, why?[02:40:49] <e^ipi> nachox: because it's discrimination[02:41:02] <e^ipi> we have labour laws that prevent that very thing[02:41:08] <nachox> how so?[02:41:26] <e^ipi> not hiring someone because of their ethnic background ?[02:41:35] <trichobezoar> Wouldnt a merger with fujistu be better aligned?[02:41:41] <trichobezoar> ibm == take patents & run[02:41:57] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: ibm is probably the *worst* mesh in many ways[02:42:17] <lewellyn> e^ipi: nothing wrong with not hiring someone who volunteers bigoted-sounding information, though[02:42:27] *** fenris_ has joined #opensolaris[02:42:33] <nachox> e^ipi, no, you misunderstood me... well, i guess i didnt tell the whole story, these guys are an outsourcing company, they manage servers for lots of other companies[02:42:34] <lewellyn> e^ipi: there's ways to legally elicit those sorts of remarks, too :)[02:43:25] <e^ipi> nachox: you didn't get hired because you're Argentinean ?[02:43:30] <nachox> e^ipi, they are a company from argentina and they hire sysadmins in argentina, it makes sense because an admin in the us is much more expensive than one here[02:44:21] <nachox> e^ipi, I told interviewer that while argentinian sysadmins were cheaper they were useless and mediocre too, he didnt say anything[02:44:27] <e^ipi> oh[02:44:29] <e^ipi> misunderstood[02:44:52] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[02:44:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[02:46:21] <lewellyn> it probably got the same response as someone saying "you know, fuck whitey" at the end of their interview ;)[02:46:52] <nachox> i actually got a second interview tomorrow :P[02:47:53] <lewellyn> with them? hahahaha[02:48:00] <lewellyn> they deserve what they get ;)[02:49:01] <e^ipi> lewellyn: i'd probably want to weed out the prejudiced[02:49:46] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[02:49:49] <lewellyn> e^ipi: i just like weeding out the narrow-minded[02:50:28] *** wbkang has left #opensolaris[02:51:03] <nachox> i'm not prejudiced, i've seen hundreads of UNIX servers configured by lots of sysadmins, not one of them was properly secured and most were abandoned[02:51:30] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[02:52:47] <e^ipi> "i'm not prejudiced, i've seen hundreds of gang shootings in the black part of town"[02:53:40] <nachox> that example does not aply[02:54:04] <nachox> "i'm not prejudiced, i've seen hundreds of gang shootings in the black part of town and not one anywhere else" does[02:54:19] <asyd> \_o<[02:54:54] <e^ipi> you've never seen a poorly configured server ?[02:54:58] * lewellyn shoots the duck[02:55:14] <lewellyn> nachox: so the only misconfigured servers you've seen have been set up by people in argentina?[02:55:29] <lewellyn> dude, i've gotta take you on a tour of server rooms :P[02:55:32] <e^ipi> lewellyn: canard a l'orange time?[02:56:01] <nachox> i've never seen a properly configured server when the said server was configured by someone from argentina[02:56:07] <lewellyn> e^ipi: that's french to me[02:56:11] <e^ipi> correct[02:56:45] <e^ipi> duck in orange sauce[02:56:47] <lewellyn> nachox: news flash, *most* servers are misconfigured. sometimes on purpose.[02:57:00] <lewellyn> nah. orange will clash with these garlic fries[02:57:14] *** joanmarie has left #opensolaris[02:57:42] <nachox> lewellyn, i'd have to say that i'm paranoid with security and accountability[02:58:04] <lewellyn> nachox: and sometimes they really do just get in the way.[02:58:15] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[02:59:02] <nachox> lewellyn, most of the time it's just laziness,[03:00:02] <lewellyn> nachox: also keep in mind that most people have no clue what they're doing. and that's irrelevant as to where they are/are from.[03:00:03] <e^ipi> nachox: and origin country comes in to play very little in that regard[03:03:05] <nachox> that still doesnt invalidate my statement, but i'll give you that, laziness is universal :)[03:04:11] *** capaz has left #opensolaris[03:04:30] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[03:04:59] <e^ipi> your statement was that "all argentinian sysadmins are incompetent" and this is somehow supposed to not be bigoted[03:05:36] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[03:06:03] <nachox> considering that i'm also from agrentina and a sysadmin...[03:07:40] <lewellyn> also, laziness is not necessarily a bad thing[03:07:59] <e^ipi> if you can turn it to productive ends, not at all[03:08:12] <lewellyn> i.e. i'm lazy. i'll sit there and stare at something until i can figure out how to do it once instead of having to come back and fix it a dozen times over its lifespan[03:08:13] <e^ipi> "i'm lazy, so i'm going to script my work" is a perfectly acceptable outlet[03:08:29] <lewellyn> lots of "wasted" time, but in the end i don't have so much headache[03:08:30] * nachox nods[03:10:19] *** mboyer_ has joined #opensolaris[03:12:05] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[03:12:07] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[03:12:30] *** __coredump__ has joined #opensolaris[03:13:23] *** piwi has quit IRC[03:19:13] *** mboyer has quit IRC[03:20:13] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[03:21:32] *** Odin- has quit IRC[03:22:18] *** bsdbandit has quit IRC[03:23:08] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[03:26:42] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[03:28:26] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[03:29:07] <deena> hi where can i download these packages SUNWaudd[03:29:08] <deena> SUNWaudf[03:29:08] <deena> SUNWaudiohd[03:29:53] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[03:30:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[03:31:45] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris[03:32:02] <evocallaghan> Hi[03:32:33] <oninoshiko> 'ello evocallaghan[03:32:59] <evocallaghan> emancipation$ hg clone ssh://hg.opensolaris.org/hg/emancipation/i18n-gate[03:33:00] <evocallaghan> Password: interrupted![03:33:00] <evocallaghan> There seems to be a read access problem with emancipation these days, I can no longer clone[03:33:16] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: no, you just need to pull as anon[03:33:20] <evocallaghan> oninoshiko: Howdy[03:33:21] <e^ipi> same as it ever was[03:33:45] <deena> Hi[03:33:46] <evocallaghan> e^ipi: oops, just noticed that thanks[03:34:03] <evocallaghan> I copied the URL from the project site[03:34:09] <evocallaghan> normally has anon in there[03:34:12] <evocallaghan> :|[03:34:15] <deena> where can i download this package SUNWaudd?[03:34:21] <deena> please guide me[03:34:50] <asyd> sunwadd?[03:34:52] <asyd> +u[03:35:52] <deena> or else this one SUNWaudiohd[03:37:04] <oninoshiko> deena: are you on SXCE?[03:37:43] <deena> may i know what it is? i am new to opensolaris[03:39:13] <oninoshiko> "Solaris Express Community Edition." on it those packages are on the installation media. (SUNWaudiohd anyway). i would expect you to use IPS on indiana (OpenSolaris 2008.11)[03:39:23] <e^ipi> no, you may not know what it is. that's for the priesthood of UNIX to know. once you're OT6 you may know. this will require great investment of both time and money[03:40:26] <oninoshiko> e^ipi, no channeling Tom Cruse[03:40:47] <evocallaghan> deena: your need to download SXCE and loop mount it.[03:41:05] <evocallaghan> there will be a SVR4 package sitting under Products[03:41:09] <evocallaghan> hope this helps[03:41:32] <deena> where can i download ? is it like yum in linux?[03:43:31] <evocallaghan> no[03:43:43] <evocallaghan> download the SXCE DVD ISO[03:43:48] <evocallaghan> loop mount it[03:44:08] <evocallaghan> Why do you need this package it should be already installed ?[03:44:44] <deena> see my sound card was not detecting so tried to reinstall...[03:44:55] <deena> i removed the package i need now to reinstall it[03:45:52] <evocallaghan> :O[03:45:56] <evocallaghan> OK[03:46:03] <evocallaghan> You got the DVD handy ?[03:46:45] <deena> do i download opensolaris "osol-0811.iso" iso[03:47:12] <deena> will be it be there in that iso content those packages?[03:47:12] <oninoshiko> deena: do you have the disk you installed with?[03:47:17] <evocallaghan> deena: just answer what I am asking... I will help you if you follow what I am saying instead of asking random questions.[03:47:25] <deena> ok[03:47:30] <deena> please tell me[03:47:40] <evocallaghan> Do you have the disk you installed from ?[03:47:44] <deena> yes[03:47:51] <evocallaghan> and is this disk the osol distro or SXCE ?[03:48:08] <deena> osol distro..[03:48:11] <evocallaghan> ok[03:48:20] <evocallaghan> then you may use IPS to pull in the package again[03:49:00] <evocallaghan> deena: what version are you running?[03:49:04] <evocallaghan> uname -sv[03:49:34] <deena> OpenSolaris? 2008.11 Live Media[03:49:39] <deena> i am now in belenix[03:49:54] <evocallaghan> right[03:49:59] <evocallaghan> reboot into your system[03:50:00] <deena> anyway both are same i hope[03:50:09] <evocallaghan> so we have it running in front of us[03:50:52] <deena> see i dont find any xchat by default in opensolaris[03:50:58] <evocallaghan> If your on the belenix livecd then we can't continue to fix your osol without extra stuff going on. lets keep things simple[03:51:12] <evocallaghan> www.ircatwork.com or pidgin[03:51:31] <evocallaghan> deena: when your in your osol run[03:51:41] <deena> ok[03:51:42] <evocallaghan> `pfexec pkg install SUNWaudiohd`[03:52:03] <evocallaghan> I'll be here when you reboot should you need more help[03:52:22] <deena> thanks i am going now to reboot[03:52:30] <evocallaghan> no worries[03:54:04] *** deena has quit IRC[03:56:47] *** Zumu has joined #opensolaris[04:00:35] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[04:09:13] *** erast has quit IRC[04:11:14] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[04:18:24] *** jwk404 has left #opensolaris[04:20:40] *** bbarker|afk is now known as bbarker[04:25:18] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[04:25:44] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:29:50] *** alain10 has quit IRC[04:44:29] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[04:44:31] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[04:45:13] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[04:52:32] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris[04:52:33] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC[04:52:40] <Teltariat> weet weet[04:58:40] <CIA-33> rui wang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Vincent.Wang at Sun dot COM>: 6806653 Billions and billions of root-hub lookups[04:59:11] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[04:59:28] <lewellyn> billions!? that's a big number ;)[04:59:45] <Teltariat> lew![04:59:57] <Teltariat> how r yoo[05:00:35] <lewellyn> annoyed, still.[05:00:39] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris[05:00:49] <Teltariat> what is it this time?[05:02:59] <lewellyn> i'm still annoyed that moving my zfs partition has apparently borked it, and no one here's been able to tell me if the first few bytes of the partition look sane[05:03:10] <lewellyn> so i stopped asking :P[05:03:11] <Teltariat> did you do that with zfs send ?[05:03:34] <lewellyn> um. no. i did a block-by-block copy with a dedicated partition mover :([05:03:39] <Teltariat> I've heard a lot of hearsay that zfs send and recv aren't very .... solid....[05:03:44] <Teltariat> oh, ok[05:03:45] <lewellyn> since i needed to move it "up" like 15gb[05:03:52] <Teltariat> ouch[05:03:55] <oninoshiko> Teltariat: from whom?[05:03:56] <Teltariat> sorry to hear that[05:04:07] <lewellyn> and i can't find any "zfs disaster recovery" tools[05:04:07] <Teltariat> oninoshiko: here and there[05:05:22] <Teltariat> I've got my own question.... I've got a Solaris domU set up to use a physical CD-ROM drive as its CD-ROM drive, problem is it wants to eject the CD-ROM, but the eject command isn't making it through... if I do the eject in the host, the domU no longer sees the device or device contents, and thus can't read the newly inserted CD[05:05:42] <Teltariat> Doing a block detach hangs cause I guess the domU's waiting for the device.... dunno.....[05:07:31] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: isnt there i doc descriing the on-disk format in painful detail (im not trying to give a sarcastic "rtfm" reply, i just dont have the expertese to help you more then that doc would)[05:07:51] <oninoshiko> a*, describing*[05:08:27] *** erast has quit IRC[05:08:41] <lewellyn> i'm hoping to not have to write my own tool to snarf the contents of 3 directories which would just make life easier when i reinstall on friday (when 110 should be out)[05:08:59] *** ry_screen has quit IRC[05:09:22] <Teltariat> snarf the contents of 3 directories == pax ?[05:09:44] <lewellyn> that would require mounting...[05:10:01] <lewellyn> i've not booted sxce to see if the rpool is totally borked, yet[05:10:08] <lewellyn> (the install cd, that is)[05:10:19] <lewellyn> and yes, pax would suffice[05:10:21] <Teltariat> I would try that[05:10:33] <Teltariat> I would try a Solaris live CD to try to get at my borked pool[05:10:42] <lewellyn> i'm afraid to do *anything* until i know how likely i'll make things works[05:10:54] <Teltariat> There a nother drive that you could do a dd mirror to?[05:10:55] <lewellyn> all i know is that booting that partition prints "GRUB" and it hangs[05:11:02] <Teltariat> oh[05:11:04] <Teltariat> in that case[05:11:14] <Teltariat> its grub that doesn't know the starting point of the pool anymore, or something like that[05:12:08] <Teltariat> maybe some of those commands available in the grub shell can be used to "repoint" GRUB to the moved pool[05:12:08] <lewellyn> that's what i'm hoping, but i don't know if the on-disk blocks even seem sane[05:12:11] <Teltariat> maybe[05:12:37] <lewellyn> and the hd X,X location hasn't changed[05:12:38] <Teltariat> Then I guess your best bet is to clone that disk so you have a disk you can at least experiment on[05:12:54] <Teltariat> yeah, but grub probably had some disk location mapped in[05:12:58] <lewellyn> ugh. which means trying to get an external usb disk bootable on this thing :P[05:13:04] <Teltariat> which is no longer true now that things are moved[05:13:09] <lewellyn> i gave up on that last time i thought it was a good idea[05:13:27] <Teltariat> well, lew, its worth it. if you want to try some things out, you're gonna need a duplicate[05:13:49] <lewellyn> which means figuring out why this machine doesn't like booting from USB-HDD[05:13:58] <lewellyn> which may mean trying to get toshiba to fix a bios issue[05:14:06] <Teltariat> crack open the usb enclosure and throw the disk into the machine[05:14:17] <lewellyn> i don't have any spare 2.5" SATA disks that i can format lying about[05:14:31] <lewellyn> all i have are 3.5" disks, mostly PATA, lying about atm[05:15:00] <lewellyn> and the data isn't worth the cost of buying a new drive[05:15:04] <lewellyn> + the time[05:15:47] <Teltariat> i dunno; your call[05:16:19] *** myosound has quit IRC[05:21:23] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[05:21:36] <deena> Hi[05:23:01] *** yippi has quit IRC[05:24:29] <Teltariat> hello[05:25:23] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[05:28:14] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[05:30:17] *** cwebber has quit IRC[05:30:35] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[05:35:29] <deena> Hi[05:40:50] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[05:41:51] *** deena has left #opensolaris[05:43:18] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[05:44:00] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[05:44:30] *** Disorganized_ has quit IRC[05:46:30] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[05:47:28] *** erast has quit IRC[05:48:03] *** deena has left #opensolaris[05:48:57] *** cypromis has quit IRC[05:50:22] *** abcdefg has joined #opensolaris[05:51:30] <abcdefg> hi[05:52:04] <abcdefg> how can i create a user profile on a smart card which is on a SunRay DTU[05:52:05] <abcdefg> ??[05:52:07] *** ken-zZz has quit IRC[05:54:22] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[05:57:40] *** abcdefg has quit IRC[05:59:26] *** fenris_ has quit IRC[05:59:34] *** Teltariat has quit IRC[06:03:56] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[06:11:11] *** mib_cvhvok has joined #opensolaris[06:12:00] <mib_cvhvok> Hey all. I'm wondering if there's anyone with CIFS administration experience around, who could help me work out a lil prob?![06:13:45] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[06:17:53] *** e-jat has quit IRC[06:24:16] *** ukuswaa has joined #opensolaris[06:24:37] <ukuswaa> hello ?[06:24:46] <mib_cvhvok> hi[06:24:52] <ukuswaa> how are you doing[06:25:06] <mib_cvhvok> okay so far. yourself?[06:25:54] <ukuswaa> with some troubles lol, just wondering if i could get some help around here[06:26:15] *** MACscr1 has left #opensolaris[06:26:18] <mib_cvhvok> i was hoping the same thing[06:26:24] <mib_cvhvok> but little luck so far[06:26:25] <ukuswaa> ops[06:26:34] <mib_cvhvok> seems like everyone's asleep or something[06:26:53] <ukuswaa> might just be that, it's 2.30 around here[06:27:56] <ukuswaa> been trying to install the via rhine driver on osolaris 2008..... and didnt work[06:28:14] <mib_cvhvok> you in south america?[06:28:19] <ukuswaa> yes[06:28:35] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[06:28:37] <mib_cvhvok> yeah, sorry, cant help you with anything that sophisticated. Im a noob myself[06:28:48] <ukuswaa> lol me too...[06:29:26] <ukuswaa> worst thing is i've followed tutorials and trying for hours... frustrating[06:29:51] <mib_cvhvok> i share your pain. ive been trying to set up a file server for days[06:31:03] <ukuswaa> no luck ?[06:31:22] <mib_cvhvok> well, it works in part, but not like i want[06:31:42] <ukuswaa> at least it works......[06:31:49] *** snowleopardcat has joined #opensolaris[06:32:12] <ukuswaa> and I guess your NIC is up lol[06:33:11] <mib_cvhvok> yeah. the problem is a bit more advanced than that. I have a zfs filesystem mounted at /tank, which is shared over the network. i can access that share no problem. i can access folders within that share no problem[06:33:27] <snowleopardcat> what happens if ibm buys sun?[06:33:45] <ukuswaa> ASolaris/400[06:33:49] <snowleopardcat> mergers always seem to be bad[06:33:53] <mib_cvhvok> but when i try to access a filesystem that is mounted beneath /tank (for example /tank/fsa) then i get an access denied error on my windows[06:34:43] <mib_cvhvok> opensolaris is a community project with features that can't be beat. i doubt you'll have to worry about that going bad as a result of an IBM/Sun merger[06:35:05] <ukuswaa> mib_cvhvok can't help you with that[06:35:57] <mib_cvhvok> ukuswaa, yeah, nvm[06:36:45] <ukuswaa> so here we are[06:37:09] <ukuswaa> i'm stuck with some 10U$ NIC driver, can you believe it[06:37:40] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: which driver are you trying to use?[06:38:00] <ukuswaa> vfe for via rhine[06:38:04] * lewellyn hasn't used a rhine in a while, and never under solaris, but may be able to point you in the right direction.[06:38:15] <lewellyn> vfe that came with opensolaris? or a third-party one?[06:38:40] <ukuswaa> osolaris has no driver for via rhine nic, so it's a 2rd party[06:38:50] <ukuswaa> 3rd lol[06:38:54] <lewellyn> and where did you get it from?[06:38:59] * lewellyn plays 20 questions :P[06:39:17] <victori> not sure but I just build postgresql on the sun studio compiler and it is noticeably slower than what was build with gcc 3.4[06:39:22] <victori> built*[06:39:22] <oninoshiko> snowleopardcat: noone knows, but if push comes to shove we still have the source (I got to explain that to my boss today)[06:39:47] <ukuswaa> lol from a japanese guy's page recomended over the osolaris forums[06:39:52] <lewellyn> victori: you're using proper compiler options?[06:39:57] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: the nifty one?[06:40:04] <victori> lewellyn: off the bat, nothing for both[06:40:14] <victori> lewellyn: I have applied -xO3 and that obviously helped[06:40:17] <snowleopardcat> when a company buys another it is always bad for the bought up company even though management says nothing will happen[06:40:20] <ukuswaa> wait - looking up nifty[06:40:34] <lewellyn> victori: sun studio likes compiler options.[06:40:45] <lewellyn> if i may ask, what's wrong with the supplied postgres?[06:40:51] <snowleopardcat> i say we download everything like sun studio etc for safe keeping[06:40:57] <lewellyn> this isn't gentoo, there's good binaries with a base install ;)[06:41:02] <victori> lewellyn: I use contrib and keep up to date[06:41:15] <snowleopardcat> ibm is very propriatery[06:41:23] <victori> I have a fairly complex postgresql setup , with a hot standby + log shipping[06:41:24] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: yes. that's why they ported jfs to linux :P[06:41:38] <snowleopardcat> where is opensource db2 or aix?[06:41:57] <ukuswaa> snowleopardcat, wow, you're really worried[06:41:59] <lewellyn> i don't think ibm has the rights to opensource aix[06:42:08] <snowleopardcat> its easy to port trinkets to the linux kernel[06:42:08] <oninoshiko> snowleopardcat: well, SMI has been having some cash-flow issues, so being bought would probibly be preferable to failing[06:42:09] <lewellyn> and where's opensource oracle?[06:42:10] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[06:42:26] <snowleopardcat> sun opensourced the crown jewels imho[06:42:27] *** Garen has joined #opensolaris[06:42:30] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: i still say ibm being a viable suitor is improbable[06:42:40] <snowleopardcat> apple would be a better suiter[06:42:44] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: hah no. they don't make money on solaris, per se.[06:42:57] <lewellyn> so, they're pretty much getting users to pay with time instead of money[06:42:58] <snowleopardcat> steve at least has taste[06:43:26] <ukuswaa> haha taste[06:43:55] <snowleopardcat> and it would complement the mac line. OS X on the desktop and Sun Apple as the server (Darwin swapped out for sunos)[06:43:56] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: maybe, maybe not. im just pointing out if they are interested in contenuing development and SMI cant for financal reasons (looking likely)... I'll take it[06:44:07] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: so were these the drivers from the nifty.com page?[06:44:08] <e^ipi> yes, let's all play armchair CEO[06:44:17] <e^ipi> having 0 experience at all managing a large company[06:44:40] <snowleopardcat> we could probably do better than swartz[06:44:45] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: as likely as a snowball in hell. jobs loves mach and smalltalk.[06:45:08] <snowleopardcat> jobs doesn't even know what smalltalk and mach is[06:45:25] <ukuswaa> lewellyn can't remember exactly, there were several pages with those drivers. thing is, I compiled, added and tried and looked ok but after reboot didn't work[06:45:27] <lewellyn> yeah. next grew out of his ass and it just happened to follow him to apple when he returned[06:45:32] <snowleopardcat> but he knows how to sell expensive hardware, make it look really nice[06:45:46] <g4lt-lappy> jobs? other than the trivial fact that he basically wrote smalltalk[06:45:49] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: this one? http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/vfe-2.6.4.tar.gz#../vfe-2.6.4.tar.gz[06:46:01] <snowleopardcat> steve jobs?[06:46:04] <e^ipi> lewellyn: OSX is really just NEXTStep 5[06:46:06] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: and obj-c is the bastard child of smalltalk and C[06:46:13] <g4lt-lappy> god ony knows woz wouldn't have come up with that bastardization[06:46:17] <lewellyn> e^ipi: um. that's what i was implying, yes.[06:46:28] <lewellyn> sarcasm doesn't work on irc[06:46:43] <ukuswaa> lewellyn that one exactly[06:46:43] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: no, instead the woz is dancing on tv :D[06:46:47] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: not without the w3c approved tags[06:46:51] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: it should have a binary[06:47:01] <ukuswaa> snowleopardcat mac are pcs nowadays[06:47:03] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, no arguments here. objectionable C and its antecedent smalltalk should have been abortions[06:47:03] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: my client strips extraneous markup[06:47:11] <mib_cvhvok> Yay, something is happening :) not everyone is asleep[06:47:18] <snowleopardcat> ukuswaa: they are PCs but much better[06:47:24] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, much more productive than any time spent with smalltalk ;P[06:47:25] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: no, they're pc's[06:47:28] <e^ipi> pure and simple[06:47:28] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: for the moment. apple still wants you to make UBs[06:47:43] <ukuswaa> snowleopardcat I miss the powerpc processor[06:47:53] <e^ipi> they have a DRM chip to prevent you from running OSX on anything but macs, but that's easily circumvented[06:47:55] <snowleopardcat> my macbook is just beautiful, milled out of nice alluminum[06:47:56] <lewellyn> and i have conspiray theories about the future of POWERPC[06:48:08] <snowleopardcat> ukuswaa: me too, but ibm's processors were too slow[06:48:09] <ukuswaa> lol[06:48:11] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: wank wank wank, it's just a PC...[06:48:37] <lewellyn> e^ipi: an overpriced pc with some kinda-crappy hardware choices.[06:48:40] <snowleopardcat> it's a pc with os x, very beautiful[06:48:46] <ukuswaa> snowleopardcat no use if the only difference is how it looks. there are patches to run macos on pc even under vmware[06:48:51] <e^ipi> i have a macbook, but it's just a PC *shrug*[06:48:56] <snowleopardcat> no crapware vista[06:49:08] <e^ipi> 'bout average price for a laptop when i bought it[06:49:09] <oninoshiko> pritty yes, but I'll take "does what I want," thank you[06:49:11] <snowleopardcat> dtrace and zfs[06:49:19] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[06:49:25] *** ken is now known as ken-w[06:49:28] <lewellyn> there's an imac on a vesa mount and slideable desk next to me. it's about to get rebooted into windows. a stock install of windows. it's a pc.[06:49:53] <oninoshiko> which requires a full reinstall... now why was a buying a wackintosh?[06:50:01] <e^ipi> intel chip, nvidia chipset... bog standard PC[06:50:08] <ukuswaa> lewellyn binaries? - even installed other drivers vr something, a pkg type[06:50:09] <snowleopardcat> i know its a pc, but using it sure doesn't feel like a pc[06:50:11] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: no. it multiboots[06:50:41] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: your missing the point. I have no desire what-so-ever for OSX[06:50:46] <snowleopardcat> a "pc" to most people is an ugly plastic box with vista and a bunch of crapware and spyware[06:50:48] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: because you're one of the apple wankers... congrats you're thinking different... meanwhile it's just a PC like any other[06:50:50] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:50:51] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: there's a readme in there. all i know is in that readme[06:51:03] <ukuswaa> see some time ago, bootin windoze on a mac was just something you couln't imagine[06:51:06] <snowleopardcat> i have sun hardware too[06:51:13] <oninoshiko> i dont WANT multibood[06:51:14] <ukuswaa> lewe[06:51:16] <oninoshiko> boot*[06:51:18] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: also just pc's[06:51:24] <lewellyn> we serve a different flavor of kool-aid in here[06:51:29] <snowleopardcat> with a sun sparc?[06:51:34] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: my lc boots windows 3.1 *shrug*[06:51:44] <g4lt-lappy> when mac dropped RISC they effectively died[06:51:49] <lewellyn> well, it reports itself as an overclocked Q610 ;)[06:51:51] <ukuswaa> sory, lewellyn followed that readme up to down[06:52:06] <lewellyn> ukuswaa: sadly, that readme is all i know about that driver :([06:52:15] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: don't count the powerpc as being out yet[06:52:22] <snowleopardcat> i thought dropping ppc was a mistake but now I don't mind[06:52:47] <snowleopardcat> steve was right, he can see into the future[06:53:00] <ukuswaa> anyone knows a tutorial on how to configure the /etc/hosts file and the NIC files (like hostname.<NIC>) ???[06:53:02] <lewellyn> dude. put down the kool-aid[06:53:08] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[06:53:10] * oninoshiko pats snowleopardcat on the head[06:53:25] <lewellyn> anyhow, back to figuring out why my dos vm gets such horrible performance[06:53:45] <mib_cvhvok> can anyone help me figure out a problem with my CIFS server running on OpenSolaris?[06:53:52] <snowleopardcat> i thought sun dropping sparc on many of its lower end models was a mistake too[06:54:12] <ukuswaa> TI makes it better :P[06:54:23] <oninoshiko> there is a difference between "lower end" and "everything"[06:54:39] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, I don't count the PPC out yet, just the PPC mac[06:54:46] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: even those ;)[06:55:04] <g4lt-lappy> the PPC is alive and well in the RS/6000[06:55:07] <oninoshiko> it makes sense to drop it on your lower end kit if you cant do the volume production to compete in the field[06:55:11] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: look at some of their acquisitions, and the fact that they don't need to license the technology from anyone[06:55:29] <ukuswaa> lewellyn tx anyway[06:55:56] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: i seem to recall that PPC has better bang per watt than x86[06:56:23] <lewellyn> so it's not infeasible to think that there's a chance we'll see ppc laptops again at some point[06:56:36] <snowleopardcat> sun should've figured out how to use the volume sparc to make sparc competitive[06:56:42] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, yeah, and it's big blues' flag. never gonna die[06:56:53] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: i dont think the average user is bright enough to look at runtime[06:56:56] <ukuswaa> lol[06:56:57] *** gdamore1 has joined #opensolaris[06:57:03] <snowleopardcat> now sparc is not competitive with intel except for the really big iron[06:57:15] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: the average user doesn't care what the processor is, if their app runs[06:57:27] <g4lt-lappy> snowleopardcat, surprisingly, that's all Sun wanted[06:57:46] <snowleopardcat> but soon intel will be at the big iron[06:57:46] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: what makes you think they *want* sparc on the desktop?[06:57:53] <g4lt-lappy> remember, the Sun 1 and sun 2 were M68K[06:58:14] *** gdamore has quit IRC[06:58:21] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, yeah :( I WANT A NIAGRA DESKTOP. WAAAAAH[06:58:25] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[06:58:35] <g4lt-lappy> why yes, I DO want cheese with my whine[06:58:36] <lewellyn> and intel's going to have a hell of a time providing performance-per-watt to meet POWER or SPARC[06:58:59] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: screw that. i want a high-clock-speed IIi laptop :D[06:59:32] <oninoshiko> snowleopardcat: except that x86 isnt designed to scale beyond a dozen processors[06:59:43] <mib_cvhvok> can someone please help me figure out why I get an access denied error when trying to access a filesystem with a mountpoint inside a filesystem that's shared over the network?[06:59:49] <lewellyn> better at power-savings, while still having enough performance for an average user on the go[06:59:49] <oninoshiko> (and im being nice here)[06:59:51] <ukuswaa> intel is working on a 80 core processor[06:59:51] <snowleopardcat> they have all those founderies[06:59:54] <lblume> I wish the rumor had been with Microsoft - would make for more interesting debates here :-)[06:59:59] <g4lt-lappy> lewellyn, hell, the 500 MHz is a room heater[07:00:07] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: but low-power :)[07:00:26] <lewellyn> it's what? 12 power states? on the IIi[07:00:33] <g4lt-lappy> yeah, but I had a bitch of a time keeping my SB100 cool in the summer[07:00:36] <snowleopardcat> and will just redesign the chip to add an x86 instruction set to whatever they come up with[07:00:47] <oninoshiko> ukuswaa: im sure they are. i can get a 40 core processor now, with wattages appropriate for embedded useage[07:00:50] <lewellyn> i'm in san francisco. i have no problems with my v100s :)[07:01:11] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[07:01:17] <g4lt-lappy> yeah, hard to get thew soup in SF to be too hot[07:01:33] <g4lt-lappy> like breathing a swinmming pool[07:01:35] <snowleopardcat> how's san fran[07:01:35] <ukuswaa> I'm in Argentina, and I have problems with my NIC. I'm going to sleep and tomorrow will buy a solaris-compatible NIC.[07:01:45] <oninoshiko> snowleopardcat: with eveything they bolt on the processor gets exponentally more complex. that's the fundemental problem with x86 as an arcitecture[07:02:07] <lewellyn> anyhow, this conversation isn't getting my IDLE calls to not lag my virtual machine.[07:02:12] * lewellyn wanders off[07:02:13] <snowleopardcat> oninoshiko: true, but intel has a lot of money and chip fabs to throw at the problem[07:02:26] <ukuswaa> so, thanks and we'll see you some day[07:02:28] <ukuswaa> bye[07:02:46] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[07:02:56] <oninoshiko> unless they have merlin in a room somewhere, eventually it wont matter.[07:03:08] *** ukuswaa has quit IRC[07:03:10] <mib_cvhvok> pretty please, some help with CIFS on opensolaris?[07:03:36] <oninoshiko> mib_cvhvok: if we knew how to help you we probibly would have said somthing by now[07:03:53] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC[07:04:07] <oninoshiko> personally im still eyeing one of the intellesys dev kits[07:04:45] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: I thought my outcries for help got lost in the heated platform-discussion. I was expecting something like 'sorry, cant help'[07:05:35] <oninoshiko> mib_cvhvok: there are over 300 people in this channel. if everyone who couldn't help said so every time there would be ALOT of noise[07:06:11] <oninoshiko> generally in most major IRC channels if you dont get a reply dispite activity, it's best to try back later.[07:06:48] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: its the middle of the night in the States. There really wasn't any activity for a while, so I figured noone was around.[07:06:51] <oninoshiko> you also might post a message on the storage-discuss forum[07:06:51] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: but thanks for the hint[07:07:02] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: Cant say I got a lot of IRC experience[07:07:45] <oninoshiko> it's ok. noone starts out knowing everything (except me, just ask me, ill tell you ;p)[07:08:10] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: :P[07:09:06] *** ken-w has quit IRC[07:09:30] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: Never really had the need to use IRC. But because the number of Solaris users seems to be a) smaller than the linux user group and b) more technically advanced, I cant find the answers Im looking for on Google[07:09:40] <oninoshiko> well you are right about it being the middle of the night in the amaricas... and i have to work in the morning[07:10:00] <Garen> 11:11 PST here[07:10:01] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: Im sitting AT work at the moment...[07:10:14] <oninoshiko> i spent alot of time on IRC in the 90s[07:10:53] <oninoshiko> anyway, night/day/whatever everyone[07:11:06] <mib_cvhvok> oninoshiko: see ya[07:11:38] *** niq has quit IRC[07:13:32] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: what's your CIFS problem exactly?[07:14:23] <lewellyn> mib_cvhvok: i thinkmost solaris users have used solaris long enough to not need to google the basics. ;)[07:14:47] <snowleopardcat> lewellyn: coming from linux, solaris was very backward[07:14:52] <lewellyn> mib_cvhvok: and opensolaris stuff is new[07:14:58] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[07:15:00] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: that's because linux shuns tradition and sanity.[07:15:07] <mib_cvhvok> lewellyn: hey[07:15:17] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[07:15:18] <snowleopardcat> everything was allover the place, gnu wasn't were I expected and ksh was really old[07:15:19] <lewellyn> mib_cvhvok: ?[07:15:21] <mib_cvhvok> lewellyn: my scenario is as follows[07:15:42] <snowleopardcat> but using it, solaris made sense after a while[07:15:49] <snowleopardcat> and now i cant stand linux[07:15:51] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: ksh is the required ksh88, ksh93 is well... ksh93. and gnu is non-standard and stuff :P[07:16:24] <snowleopardcat> especially with the abi that keeps moving. a modem i had on the 2.4 kernel stopped working in 2.6[07:17:00] <mib_cvhvok> lewellyn: I have a zfs filesystem mounted at /tank. I used zfs set sharesmb=on to share it. Its accessible from the windows clients in the network, no problem. However, once I create filesystems inside /tank (ie. /tank/examplea and /tank/exampleb), I get an access denied error on my windows client[07:17:04] <lewellyn> yeah. that's the difference between solaris and linux kernels. solaris stuff just goes "unsupported" until it dies of natural causes ;)[07:17:15] <mib_cvhvok> lewellyn: when trying to access \\opensolaris\tank\examplea and so on[07:17:26] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: have you tried with chmod 777 on those directories?[07:17:34] <lewellyn> mib_cvhvok: i haven't used zfs's smb stuff. it's too new for me.[07:17:45] <DerSaidin> mib_cvhvok: I thought it'd be at[07:17:48] <lewellyn> and still not documented enough for my tastes[07:17:53] <DerSaidin> \\opensolaris\examplea[07:17:55] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: does `sharemgr show -vp` give the names of the shares you'd expect?[07:18:13] <Topdeck_> they may be shared as \\opensolaris\tank_examplea[07:18:20] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: yes, there is full access on those filesystems.[07:18:25] *** ofu has quit IRC[07:18:25] *** digimano has joined #opensolaris[07:18:27] *** ofu has joined #opensolaris[07:18:35] <DerSaidin> you can do something along the lines of sharesmb=sharename=whatever[07:18:51] <Topdeck_> sharesmb=name=whatever[07:18:58] <victori> does sun studio express -fast enable -xO3?[07:19:03] <victori> where can I get a cflags chart?[07:19:14] <lewellyn> hahaha. i misread this headline as "New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson bans death"[07:19:22] <lewellyn> the word penalty wrapped to the next line[07:19:28] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: yes, i get the sharenames that I expect, and yes, they are also shared as \\opensolaris\tank_examplea[07:19:31] <digimano> anyone knows how to install/start webconsole in opensolaris 2008.11?[07:19:32] <lewellyn> victori: there's a few on sun.com[07:20:02] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: how are you authenticating?[07:20:08] <lewellyn> i'm on windows with different bookmarks atm, so i can't provide them handily[07:20:25] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: however, it would be a poor configuration for me to have to rely on \\opensolaris\tank_examplea, rather than having examplea accessible directly from within the tank share[07:20:30] *** asarch has quit IRC[07:20:33] <DerSaidin> mib_cvhvok: iirc, theres a -o when you create a child zfs to inherit permissions from parent. by default I don't think it does that[07:20:57] <lewellyn> mib_cvhvok: is /tank/examplea a different dataset?[07:21:18] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: definitely, just the weird name trips people up sometimes[07:22:12] <mib_cvhvok> DerSaidin: sorry, you lost me. What about -o?[07:22:42] <lewellyn> mib_cvhvok: -o only applies if examplea is a different dataset[07:22:44] <victori> lewellyn: quite hidden then[07:23:27] * lewellyn digs up his google-fu for victori :P[07:23:40] <mib_cvhvok> DerSaidin: sorry, im a solaris-noob. can you explain please what im supposed to do?[07:24:18] <DerSaidin> try setting the child zfs' property aclmode=passthrough[07:24:20] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: it shouldn't matter what the properties of the examplea filesystem are, as you're just trying to access that folder[07:24:32] <lewellyn> didn't even need google. yay sdn and saneness[07:24:33] <Topdeck_> so you can access \\opensolaris\tank just fine?[07:24:34] <lewellyn> http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/options.html[07:24:40] <Topdeck_> what about other files/dirs in there?[07:25:08] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[07:25:26] *** lesterc has quit IRC[07:25:47] *** krisis has joined #opensolaris[07:26:05] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: Ordinary folders within the tank share are accessible without problems[07:26:36] <mib_cvhvok> DerSaidin: did zfs set aclmode=passthrough tank/examplea .... access denied error persists on windows machine though[07:27:00] <lewellyn> victori: is that what you wanted?[07:27:13] <victori> lewellyn: thank you[07:27:22] *** myosound has quit IRC[07:27:29] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: yes, i can access \\opensolaris\tank just fine. \\opensolaris\tank\folder1 also is accessible fine. Just filesystems mounted unter tank dont work[07:27:32] <victori> I was going over site:sun.com all kinds of crazy key words[07:27:37] <lewellyn> victori: seriously, there's a *lot* of stuff on sun's site. learning to navigate it will definitely help you out :)[07:28:10] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: what you meant "mounted under"?[07:28:30] <lewellyn> victori: following the links in that document, you can end up not working on anything useful for days ;)[07:29:50] <snowleopardcat> what if IBM closes the source for solaris? Does solaris compile with the gnu toolset? if sun studio is taken away, is solaris doomed? This is why i'm downloading the solaris source and a copy of sun studio.[07:30:17] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: maybe my terminology is off. examplea is not a folder, but a filesystem. its mountpoint is tank/examplea[07:30:30] <snowleopardcat> before its lost forever. too many bad experiences with mergers the alpha processer, doomed by compaq[07:30:45] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: (basically, i did zfs create tank/examplea to create it)[07:30:52] <Topdeck_> ok, cool[07:30:53] <g4lt-lappy> snow if IBM closes the source for solaris, I'll LMAO[07:30:54] * lewellyn lets snowleopardcat worry about that which is not likely to happen and gets on with his life[07:31:19] <lblume> snowleopardcat: Solaris 10 was actually built with GCC, because Studio did not do x64 at the time.[07:31:51] <g4lt-lappy> speaking of studio, did anyone play with early release 12 yet?[07:31:52] <snowleopardcat> g4lt-lappy: Why would you laugh if IBM kills solaris?[07:32:08] <g4lt-lappy> snowleopardcat, BECAUWSE IT'S A FO0OKING SUN PRODUCT[07:32:17] <snowleopardcat> ibm is buying sun[07:32:38] <g4lt-lappy> they forgot to tell me, and I'm a stockholder in both[07:32:46] <lblume> Do you need to stab all existing DVDs to kill it? Or just one, symbolically?[07:32:46] <snowleopardcat> its in the news[07:32:52] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: although I can replicate your problem very easily[07:33:21] <snowleopardcat> sun CEO announce that windows will be discontinued[07:33:24] <lblume> Will it suffer? I'm against all unecessary pain in when slaying software.[07:33:45] <lblume> Sun bought Microsoft while nobody was looking?[07:33:46] <snowleopardcat> i know corporations, and i know ibm will harm solaris[07:33:56] <snowleopardcat> if given the chance[07:34:06] <mib_cvhvok> Topdeck_: you can replicate it? good, so it's not just me[07:34:07] <lblume> Bad, bad IBM.[07:34:17] <snowleopardcat> the smart choice in these situations is to download everything while you still have the chance[07:34:30] <g4lt-lappy> so IBM will close off solars and Sun is discontinuing windows. what news are you looking at, the onion?[07:34:33] <lblume> Luckily, they've been infiltrated, thus they offer Solaris support now.[07:34:37] <x58> snowleopardcat: That is just overre-acting.[07:34:49] <x58> Wow, my spelling sucks.[07:34:53] <snowleopardcat> what happend to alpha when conquered by compaq?[07:35:08] <Topdeck_> mib_cvhvok: and that's on 101b and 109, we must be missing something simple, I'm sure[07:35:15] <lblume> trochej's secret stash of coffee seems to have been plundered by snowleopardcat.[07:35:17] <snowleopardcat> what happended to compaq when conquered by hp?[07:35:18] <x58> If IBM does eventually buy Sun, I doubt they are going to close OpenSolaris again, I think they will make it more open if anything.[07:35:22] <DerSaidin> Topdeck_ or mib_cvhvok: check acls of those folders in the child you can't access[07:35:29] <snowleopardcat> HAHAHA[07:35:40] <snowleopardcat> IBM is so closed source its not funny[07:35:53] <mib_cvhvok> DerSaidin: I checked the ACLs. full access for everyone[07:35:58] <snowleopardcat> the only opensource they do is throw a few bones to linux and eclipse[07:36:02] <x58> The interesting thing would be to see what they are going to do with the top tier Solaris support contracts, and how it is going to affect AIX and their server lineup.[07:36:22] <snowleopardcat> if they opensourced AIX or DB2, then i'd trust them[07:36:34] <x58> Why?[07:37:07] <lblume> They could be bought anytime afterwards by McDonalds, or PepsiCo.[07:37:07] <mib_cvhvok> DerSaidin: its worth mentioning that when accessing the \\opensolaris\tank_examplea share, which is automatically created since zfs automatically shares all filesystems within a parent filesystem, works as expected. just accessing examplea though the \\opensolaris\tank share, that's whats causing the problem[07:37:10] <g4lt-lappy> snowleopardcat, really? funny, what happened with their Linsux push?[07:37:17] <lblume> And PepsiCo is /so/ closed source.[07:37:27] <snowleopardcat> opensourcing DB2 would show they believe in opensource[07:37:29] <Topdeck_> DerSaidin: `/usr/bin/ls -lVh` shows permissions exactly the same on the filesystem which I can't access, and the folder I can[07:37:53] <g4lt-lappy> snowleopardcat, so would installing linsux on their flagship. wait, they do that[07:37:54] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: it'd also show that they've spent too much money buying IP rights that won't pay off in the end[07:37:58] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: people already think they do, so they've already won[07:38:11] <e^ipi> no need for a flashy PR move when you already have the PR[07:38:37] <snowleopardcat> e^ipi: ibm won the pr war, but sun is the real opensource deal[07:38:43] <lewellyn> see, if they bought the IP for the non-IBM parts of os/2 and opensourced *that*, it'd show goodwill[07:38:52] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: who cares?[07:38:55] <x58> I'll be really surprised if OpenSolaris suddenly goes away if IBM buys Sun.[07:38:59] <e^ipi> if it ships more tin, it ships more tin[07:39:08] <snowleopardcat> no IBM product is opensource, their linux and eclipse is just a marketing expense[07:39:14] <e^ipi> again, who cares[07:39:15] <lewellyn> x58: i'll be surprised if ibm buys sun[07:39:25] <snowleopardcat> ibm will buy them to kill them offf[07:39:30] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: so whose project was jfs again?[07:39:51] <e^ipi> IBM is known as friendly to open source, so they don't need to be friendlier ... anyone that's going to buy machines from "the open source friendly company" will[07:39:51] <snowleopardcat> a good way to get rid of a competitor in a down market. then it will only be ibm dell and hp[07:40:03] <lewellyn> sure looks like an opensourcing of their flagship filesystem[07:40:04] <snowleopardcat> for now[07:40:48] <x58> lewellyn: There are apparently talks... not sure how much to take away from a supposed leaked thing like that.[07:40:51] <x58> Anything is possible.[07:41:03] *** mib_cvhvok has quit IRC[07:41:03] <lblume> Why would IBM need Solaris anyway?[07:41:06] <lewellyn> x58: 1) it doesn't make good sense. 2) the feds would prohibit it.[07:41:14] <lblume> They bought Transitive and its emuator in December.[07:41:16] <snowleopardcat> you guys are naive. there won' t be sun studio 12 when you need it if IBM buys em up[07:41:32] <lewellyn> lblume: they don't. and they don't need mysql. and they don't need sparc. and they don't need zfs. and they don't need...[07:41:37] <x58> lewellyn: I agree.[07:41:48] <snowleopardcat> lewellyn: exactly![07:41:52] <lblume> lewellyn: I so completely agree.[07:42:00] <snowleopardcat> this move is just to buy sun to kill the company[07:42:06] <lewellyn> all this has done is drive up stock price :)[07:42:10] <snowleopardcat> like oracle does[07:42:21] <lewellyn> ibm isn't oracle.[07:42:22] <snowleopardcat> i'd expect this move from larry ellison[07:42:29] <lewellyn> they buy things with good intent and just let them languish[07:42:32] <lblume> Ad they don't need to be tied for the remained 8 years of Solaris and hardware support that Sun is tied to by contracts.[07:42:51] <lewellyn> lblume: doesn't the 10 years start over for S10U7? ;)[07:42:51] *** mib_huotpm has joined #opensolaris[07:43:00] <snowleopardcat> lewellyn: that is thier way of killing a company, don't feed it[07:43:10] <lblume> Nah, FCS only, AFAIK.[07:43:19] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: um. good intentions. buying to kill isn't good intentions.[07:43:21] <mib_huotpm> sorry Topdeck_, got disconnected[07:43:27] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[07:43:32] <lewellyn> they just don't have the resources to keep everything going.[07:43:33] <lblume> People who believe that a company can be bought and its doors closed the next day are cute =)[07:43:35] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[07:43:43] <Topdeck_> mib_huotpm: haven't missed anything[07:43:48] <snowleopardcat> good intentions to the press, but they buy it to get rid of a competitor[07:44:01] <lewellyn> lblume: even everyone's favorite company that supposedly does that (microsoft) can't do it effectively ;)[07:44:03] <snowleopardcat> that is how mba holders think[07:44:12] <lewellyn> snowleopardcat: i deem you troll. time to /ignore :P[07:44:30] *** snowleopardcat has left #opensolaris[07:44:35] <lblume> I'll let it go for a little more, I find him funny :-)[07:44:44] <lblume> Oh, that's unfair![07:44:47] <mib_huotpm> Topdeck_: okay.[07:45:24] <x58> haha[07:45:30] <mib_huotpm> Topdeck_: I suspect it may be a limitation of the CIFS server in opensolaris....[07:45:43] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[07:47:56] <Topdeck_> that seems a litte weird[07:48:10] <mib_huotpm> Topdeck_: and I cant find any more detailed error other than what windows thows at me : \\opensolaris\tank\examplea is not accessible. You may not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. Access denied.[07:50:16] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris[07:52:04] <x58> mib_huotpm: Are you connecting with a username/password?[07:54:14] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[07:54:15] <mib_huotpm> x58: yes, I am. Ive created numerous usernames on the opensolaris machine. I can connect with any one of the users successfully, and the behavior is as expected[07:55:18] *** comay has quit IRC[07:55:22] <mib_huotpm> ive come across the nbmand property a number of times. Is that of some relevance here?[07:55:52] <x58> mib_huotpm: what does your sharemgr show -vp show ?[07:56:01] <x58> `sharemgr show -vp`[07:57:38] <mib_huotpm> x58: shows as expected. tank = /tank, tank_examplea = /tank/examplea[07:57:48] <x58> okay[07:57:58] <x58> so your share is \\opensolar\tank_examplea[07:58:04] <Topdeck_> x58: it looks fine, and you can access the top-level share and everything in it fine, the problem is the filesystem tank/examplea _looks_ like a folder, but is actually a filesystem[07:58:07] <Topdeck_> or something[07:58:09] <x58> not \\opensolaris\tank\example[07:58:40] <Topdeck_> x58: no the share is \\opensolaris\tank, then there is a folder in there called examplea which is actually a filesystem created with zfs[07:59:13] <mib_huotpm> x58: yes, Im aware of that. That works fine. but for the sake of naming simplicity and user friendliness, id very much like to be able to access \\opensolaris\tank\examplea.[08:00:15] <x58> Hmmm, if this were NFS I would say it is not possible since NFS does not allow one to cross mount points, maybe the CIFS implementation in Solaris inherited that.[08:01:12] <mib_huotpm> x58: thats what I was wondering too... can I file a bug somewhere?[08:01:27] <mib_huotpm> x58: it may not be a bug, but at least its something that should be fixed[08:01:45] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[08:02:03] *** free has quit IRC[08:02:14] *** free has joined #opensolaris[08:02:24] <x58> mib_huotpm: Not so sure this is something that can be easily fixed, I believe it will have the same issues that NFS shares in that area.[08:02:24] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[08:02:30] *** div111 has joined #opensolaris[08:03:25] *** freetown has quit IRC[08:03:29] <mib_huotpm> x58: huh. All of the sudden, OpenSolaris is a much less interesting choice :([08:03:55] <x58> mib_huotpm: Use Samba like you would on Linux/BSD.[08:04:02] <e^ipi> you could just rename the share *shrug*[08:04:10] <e^ipi> zfs set sharesmb=name="porn"[08:04:57] <mib_huotpm> e^ipi: lol, yes, i could. But the point is user friendliness. Having everything within a single share is how it is at the moment, and therefore is also how it should stay[08:05:23] <Topdeck_> mib_huotpm: but does everything have to be another filesystem under tank?[08:05:58] <lewellyn> mib_huotpm: then do what i do and use samba. not that hard.[08:06:55] <mib_huotpm> Topdeck_: It does need to be separate filesystems, since i need quotas to work.[08:07:14] <Topdeck_> bugger[08:07:43] <Topdeck_> then I guess the real samba is the way to go, I don't have experience with that on OS though[08:08:10] <mib_huotpm> Topdeck_: how about some kind of work around? could I create a file system, mount it elsewhere and create a symlink called examplea in tank?[08:08:27] <Topdeck_> mib_huotpm: only one way to find out, I guess[08:08:35] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[08:08:45] <mib_huotpm> Topdeck_: Well I dont know how to create symlinks... :P[08:08:46] <x58> mib_huotpm: That would still make the CIFS implementation cross mount point boundaries.[08:09:07] <skullone> ive seen this dicussed before.. if i recall, sun said that each file system must be a seperate share, the way zfs interacts with cifs[08:09:13] <skullone> and its not likely going to change ever[08:09:20] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[08:09:43] <skullone> i had the same concern... but we modified our apps a bit, and now its a non-issue[08:10:32] <mib_huotpm> skullone: darn. thats a shame.[08:10:39] <oenone> if i recall correctly, samba has the same limitation[08:10:50] <DerSaidin> mib_huotpm: is there a good reason to have separate zfs children?[08:10:59] <x58> DerSaidin: quota's[08:11:39] <x58> oenone: I was under the impression that the real Samba implementation could cross mount point boundaries.[08:11:50] <mib_huotpm> skullone: Yes, I've played with the thoughts of the alternate scenarios two: ditch qutoas and use folders instead, or ditch the current file organization and teach the users a new way[08:12:09] <oenone> it's been a while since i used samba, so i could be wrong, but last time it couldn't[08:12:18] <Topdeck_> mib_huotpm: good luck with that, I'm off home[08:12:20] <skullone> if they map these shares, shouldnt this be transparent to them?[08:12:24] <mib_huotpm> skullone: and somehow I think that ditching the quotas is probably easier[08:13:35] <th> x58: oenone: samba can even follow a symlink to an other filesystem[08:13:56] <oenone> okay, then ignore my comment, it's outdated ;)[08:14:20] <mib_huotpm> skullone: at the moment, everyone shares a single network drive which is automatically connected at login. The advantage of this is that it allows users to share files amongst each other very comfortably, since everyone has their own folder within the common network drive. If some files are private, the user still has the option to set the ACL accordingly[08:14:28] <x58> th: I never said it couldn't, the CIFS implementation in Solaris/OpenSolaris won't though.[08:14:37] <mib_huotpm> so how do i get 'real' samba then?[08:14:45] <x58> mib_huotpm: pkg add SUNWsmba[08:14:57] <Lumb> Samba de Janeiro! tsa-tsa-tsa![08:15:35] <mib_huotpm> im gonna have to mess around with smb.conf, rather than the zfs command, right? uurgh ... :([08:15:42] <skullone> indeed[08:15:50] <x58> mib_huotpm: yes.[08:19:05] <mib_huotpm> hmm. alright, I'll give it a try. Samba also has lower performance, right? since the OpenSolaris CIFS server is a kernel module or something (dont nail me on the terminology here, but i hope you know what i mean)[08:20:21] <mib_huotpm> OpenSol was the OS of my dreams.... low cost, high performance file system, easy to maintain, CIFS built right into the kernel............[08:20:32] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:20:57] <lewellyn> mib_huotpm: it's young. it's got rough edges. give it time.[08:21:00] <x58> mib_huotpm: Samba's performance should be on-par with that of OpenSolaris.[08:21:40] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:22:01] <e^ipi> yes, nothing speeds a server up like context switches...[08:22:28] <skullone> im pleased with the in kernel cifs service[08:22:38] <mib_huotpm> okay. its downloading the package. connection is a little slow on this side of the globe, so i'll report back in a couple minutes[08:22:38] <skullone> the benefits for me outweight the rough edges[08:22:46] <skullone> and the edges get polished every build[08:23:01] <x58> e^ipi: I get the same speed pulling the same amount of data from a Linux server running Samba and an OpenSolaris server running its own implementation of CIFS.[08:23:26] <skullone> i get Gbit speeds, every transfer, at all times... since, well, im limited by Gbit =/[08:23:48] <x58> Sure, the Linux server is using more CPU time.[08:24:02] <x58> end result is still the same, the files come down at Gigbit speeds.[08:24:47] <skullone> my x4540's have quite a workload... cifs, nfs, and iscsi volumes[08:24:53] <skullone> its at full Gbit 24/7 nearly[08:25:36] <skullone> id love to get an SSD zil device though[08:26:41] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[08:28:47] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:29:23] <e^ipi> i'd love for something to be fast enough to be worthwhlie[08:30:28] <e^ipi> write performance ( what you need for ZIL ) on an SSD seems to not be significantly better than on a spinning platter[08:32:30] <glance> depends on what type of ssd you use...[08:32:45] <e^ipi> not really[08:33:04] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris[08:33:10] <mib_huotpm> K, smba is installed and i restarted opensolaris[08:33:22] <e^ipi> i haven't seen any benchmarks where writing to an SSD was more than a couple percent faster than writing to a spinning platter[08:33:29] <skullone> fun, were moving a whole bunch of equipment from our old datacenter, to a new one (on another floor)[08:33:38] <skullone> =/[08:33:53] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[08:33:55] <skullone> gotta tear down all my sun boxes.. fully loaded with disks, theyre like 250Lbs[08:34:41] <g4lt-lappy> skullone, bah, get a good dolly ;P[08:34:55] <skullone> unracking it will break my back[08:35:20] <skullone> id like to have a hydraulic lifting cart, with rollers on the top[08:36:28] <lewellyn> good luck getting them all booted again[08:36:41] <skullone> yah really... after the other night, im nervous[08:38:55] <x58> Why good luck?[08:39:13] <skullone> had a bit of an issue rebooting[08:39:46] <x58> Ah[08:45:51] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[08:50:04] <trochej> Coffee[08:51:43] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[08:52:03] <Lumb> lifting E2900 was a pain in the ass, 4 guys it still weighs like 2 tons[08:53:11] <skullone> im weak and pathetic, so...[08:54:10] <Lumb> http://www.prosessori.fi/uutiset/uutinen2.asp?id=53465[08:54:18] <Lumb> ups, sorry.. wron irc channel _D[08:55:00] *** yoga has joined #opensolaris[08:55:12] <yoga> hi there[08:55:32] <yoga> I am installing Opensolaris 08.11[08:56:14] <yoga> How long does it take to install OpenSolaris?[08:56:59] <mib_huotpm> that depends on your system. I think i installed it in about half an hour or 45 minutes or so. At times, it is surprisingly slow[08:57:35] <yoga> I am at 28% but the % change very slowly.[08:58:04] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[08:58:16] <mib_huotpm> yoga: yes. its surprisingly slow at tiems[08:58:20] <mib_huotpm> *times[08:58:35] <CIA-33> zhigang lu - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Zhigang.Lu at Sun dot COM>: 6817700 EHCI/OHCI need support polled I/O for usbserial console[08:58:47] <yoga> mib_huotpm: Thanks. I am using IDE drive.[08:59:34] <mib_huotpm> CIA-33: WUTT???[09:00:31] <mib_huotpm> yoga: just leave it in peace and dont run any other programs off the live-cd. it'll install most quickly then[09:01:11] <yoga> mib_huotpm: I see, I just closed a terminal window.[09:02:09] <yoga> mib_huotpm: do you dual boot?[09:02:27] <mib_huotpm> yoga: no[09:03:01] <yoga> mib_huotpm: good for you.[09:03:33] *** yippi has quit IRC[09:04:10] <g4lt-lappy> mib_huotpm, WRT CIA-33 it's not all about you. CIA-33 is the bugbot[09:04:14] *** DesiJat has joined #opensolaris[09:04:17] <DesiJat> hola[09:04:24] *** Karu has joined #opensolaris[09:05:04] <mib_huotpm> yoga: I run opensolaris in VirtualBox, a very good virtual machine by Sun. you can download it for free from www.virtualbox.org[09:05:22] <DesiJat> i'm installing opensolaris on a Sun Ultra 20 hard drive[09:05:23] <yoga> mib_huotpm: thanks.[09:05:32] <DesiJat> but then..i'm going to take the HD and pop it into a a Sun x2100[09:05:35] * g4lt-lappy relishes saying that. $PAYGIG is using "it's all about you" as their marketroid slogan :([09:05:52] <DesiJat> should i be expecting all hell to break loose? or a sysunconfig/reconfig should do fine?[09:05:56] <mib_huotpm> g4lt-lappy: I didnt think it was all about me. what does the bugbot do?[09:06:25] <g4lt-lappy> notifies about new bugs filed and closings[09:07:14] <mib_huotpm> g4lt-lappy: sweet. I was just about to file a possible bug.[09:11:05] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[09:12:08] *** yoga has quit IRC[09:13:28] *** nitrile has quit IRC[09:14:40] *** DesiJat has left #opensolaris[09:17:21] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[09:21:12] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:23:30] <trochej> Coffee[09:23:30] <DTEIT> morning[09:26:30] <trochej> Mornin'[09:26:32] <trochej> Coffee?[09:31:01] <DTEIT> yes please[09:35:10] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[09:38:11] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[09:44:30] <e^ipi> g4lt-lappy: CIA-33 doesn't have anything to do with bug closings or new bugs[09:44:40] <e^ipi> it reads the tip of the O/N repo and spits out the comment[09:44:50] *** lblume has quit IRC[09:45:10] <e^ipi> since in ON all the putback comments are of the form "<bugid> <synopsis>", that's what CIA messages look like[09:45:30] <g4lt-lappy> shows how much I car^Wknow[09:46:46] <e^ipi> *shrug* was just clarifying[09:47:44] *** dunc_ has quit IRC[09:47:55] *** e1kg has quit IRC[09:48:21] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:51:24] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[09:52:31] *** tg has quit IRC[09:52:56] *** tg` has joined #opensolaris[09:53:00] *** tg` is now known as tg[09:53:38] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[09:53:53] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[09:55:18] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:58:11] *** Yves__ has joined #opensolaris[10:02:45] *** nyati has joined #opensolaris[10:04:54] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[10:05:07] *** exl_ has joined #opensolaris[10:06:13] *** crink has left #opensolaris[10:07:07] <trochej> Coffee[10:07:36] <lewellyn> bananas[10:08:14] *** Yves__ has quit IRC[10:08:30] * seanmcg adds some banana syrup to his coffee[10:08:40] <perlmongo> the brownish liquid you get from the vending machine when you press the "coffee" button[10:09:10] <seanmcg> pooey to the cending machine.. Use real coffee[10:10:05] <perlmongo> interesting thing is, when the machine is refilled, it *is* real coffee thay put in it[10:10:17] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[10:10:23] <perlmongo> and then something goes horribly wrong[10:10:23] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:10:24] <trochej> Vending machine?[10:10:37] <trochej> I boil mah own mahself[10:10:43] *** cypromis has quit IRC[10:11:03] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[10:11:25] <perlmongo> Well, here at the office, we're not allowed to bring our own coffee machines to the workplace, we have to rely on (drum roll) The Vending Machine![10:11:33] <perlmongo> :-)[10:12:59] <e^ipi> i'd quit[10:13:12] <chrisg> your resignation is not accepted[10:13:14] <perlmongo> hehe[10:13:17] <g4lt-lappy> I'd at least insist on a Bunn urn[10:13:48] <e^ipi> not specifically because of the coffee, but arbitrary rules like "you can't bring your own coffee machine" sounds precisely like the sort of environment i'd like to avoid[10:14:12] <oenone> moin[10:14:40] <trochej> You resignation has not been accepted, Cpt Needa. Khhh-Khhh[10:15:01] <perlmongo> oh, it's not too bad, I like it here. And we always have something to hate together[10:15:02] <g4lt-lappy> well, yeah, but I just can't see in some jobs the feasability of having a coffeemaker at your workstation[10:15:33] *** cydork has quit IRC[10:15:40] <g4lt-lappy> perlmongo, the whole point of coffee is to have something to LIKE ;P[10:15:46] *** lewq has joined #opensolaris[10:15:47] <perlmongo> there are very few creativity-limiting rules (apart from the coffee machine one)[10:15:55] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[10:16:04] <perlmongo> ah. I hadn't thought of that[10:16:21] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:17:33] <seanmcg> A toaster was taken from one guys desk here.. 'fire hazard' they claimed.. Gone are the freshly toast bagels :([10:17:57] <g4lt-lappy> seanmcg, extra points if it's replaced withg a BBQ grill ;P[10:17:58] <e^ipi> he should've brought in something even more of a fire hazard to compensate[10:18:02] <perlmongo> well, "fire hazard" in one of the buzzwords used here[10:18:03] <e^ipi> like a blowtorch[10:18:09] <e^ipi> or barbeque[10:18:28] <e^ipi> perlmongo: do you work in a paper factory or something?[10:18:29] <g4lt-lappy> e^ipi, GMTA[10:19:03] <perlmongo> hehe, no I don't[10:19:24] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[10:19:49] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:19:52] <e^ipi> still, with a blowtorch or creme brulee torch or something, there's nothing to take away[10:19:58] <e^ipi> leave some scorch marks on the desk in protest[10:20:06] <perlmongo> typical office landscape, lots of office furniture (very flammable)[10:20:30] <e^ipi> oh whatever[10:20:38] <e^ipi> my kitchen's more flammable than most offices[10:20:39] <perlmongo> well, it does have a certain appeal[10:20:53] <perlmongo> the torch scenario, that is[10:21:40] <e^ipi> plus then, freshly toasted bagels[10:21:47] <e^ipi> flame kissed to perfection[10:22:02] <e^ipi> with scorch marks on the desk where the hole is[10:22:17] <e^ipi> because management should get the stick out of their ass and let you have a goddamn toaster like an adult[10:22:20] *** Ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris[10:22:42] <e^ipi> has there ever been an office fire caused by small appliances?[10:23:10] <perlmongo> dunno[10:23:15] <trochej> Yes. By a matches appliance. :)[10:23:22] <Ramdac_> Excuse me guys why opensolaris consume more energy from the battery than other OSs?is there a way to reduce the energy consumption?[10:23:40] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC[10:23:43] <perlmongo> e^ipi: "flame kissed to perfection" :-D[10:24:06] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: because lowering power consumption was never a concern of an operating system designed to be run on machines that take 480V 3-phase[10:24:39] <Ramdac_> e^ipi:so i cant use solaris on my laptop?[10:24:44] <e^ipi> you can[10:24:50] <trochej> I do[10:24:51] <e^ipi> many do[10:24:59] <perlmongo> I do[10:25:11] <e^ipi> just understand that laptops were never the target market[10:25:34] <trochej> It's better than a year ago[10:26:03] <Ramdac_> e^ipi:for example ubuntu the batter stays approximately 2 hours while on solaris it stays 1 hours[10:26:09] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:26:14] <perlmongo> things are looking grim if you have "old" hardware, but if you have a fairly modern laptop, power management is slowly getting better[10:26:42] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: not surprising. linux sacrifices many things to work on desktops and laptops[10:27:30] <e^ipi> one might wonder why you'd bother, considering you have X and associated desktops on the one hand, and sacrificed higher-end to fit on shitty machines on the other[10:28:06] <e^ipi> it's really the worst of both worlds there[10:28:31] <Ramdac_> e^ipi:i'd bother cuz if oneday i have to make a presentation and talk to te public while using solaris[10:28:46] <e^ipi> hint: windows or OSX give you even better battery life than linux[10:29:01] <e^ipi> and aren't a hassle to use[10:29:12] <Ramdac_> e^ipi:linux give better battery than windows[10:29:29] <perlmongo> get an Acer Aspire One, I have one and it works beautifully, I even connected it to a projector when I gave training recently, worked like a charm[10:29:30] <samc> Ramdac_: it's only been very recently that Linux's power management on laptops has gotten pretty good, and loads of distributions have been aiming at the laptop and desktop market for ages now[10:29:43] <SQlvpapir> It does on my thinkpad at least..[10:29:51] <samc> Ramdac_: it's only pretty recently that people have been trying to make solaris work on anything other than servers, so stuff like that will probably be a long time coming ;)[10:29:54] <perlmongo> ...and I run SXCE on the AA1[10:30:24] <flyingparchment> samc: that's not exactly true, sun has been making workstations as long as they existed[10:30:42] <samc> flyingparchment: oh sorry, true that[10:31:01] <e^ipi> battery life isn't a typical concern when one is talking about a machine without a battery[10:31:01] <samc> flyingparchment: even so, not laptops .. and I guess power management wasn't as much of a concern ;)[10:31:33] <chrisg> tbh[10:31:36] <chrisg> on the coffee machine thing[10:31:38] <chrisg> i can understand it[10:31:42] <chrisg> for insurance etc[10:31:46] <asyd> coffeee[10:31:52] <samc> Ramdac_: search for 'opensolaris speedstep' on google .. seems like there's some code around to do cpu frequency scaling (which will make a massive difference to your battery life) .. not sure if it Just Works by default though, or if you need to mess with some knobs to make it go[10:32:10] <Ramdac_> samc:ok[10:32:54] <samc> Ramdac_: and check out http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/power/ if you haven't already[10:34:07] <Ramdac_> guys can i boot solaris using LILO?[10:34:39] <flyingparchment> you can make lilo load grub in the same way you'd make it load windows[10:35:31] <samc> don't think so, lilo's missing a lot of the smarts that grub has - grub knows how to find the kernel and other related files by looking at the disk structure, whereas all pretty much all lilo does is start executing from a known point on the disk[10:35:48] <samc> but yeah like flyingparchment says you can use lilo to boot grub from the boot sector of your partition[10:36:38] <Ramdac_> cuz i want to install slackware but i think i will not install LILO[10:37:04] <Ramdac_> and continue using GRUB to boot slackware.[10:37:05] <g4lt-lappy> of course grub is also trying to do too much IMO, it's becoming a BIOS/openprom in and of itself[10:39:16] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[10:41:57] <lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: i thought that's why sun uses it ;)[10:44:13] *** qiyong has quit IRC[10:45:10] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[10:46:53] <trochej> slackware still uses lilo?[10:47:44] <lewellyn> yup[10:47:50] <lewellyn> "it works"[10:48:16] <lewellyn> i wish there were a real middle-ground alternative :P[10:48:36] <lewellyn> lilo is so primitive and linux-specific, and grub's only missing emacs[10:49:08] <oenone> yay, use grub to boot emacs, and you have everything you need :P[10:49:32] <trochej> Use emacs to grub lilo[10:49:35] *** jteo has quit IRC[10:50:44] <lewellyn> trochej: that sounds dirty[10:50:56] <lewellyn> i'm not sure how i feel about that statement[10:54:43] *** hassan has joined #opensolaris[10:54:44] *** cravil has joined #opensolaris[10:56:15] <hassan> hello[10:56:43] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[10:58:38] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6785167 audit_event.c:aus_msgsys() and audit_event.c:aus_semsys() could be optimized.[10:58:39] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6757391 c2audit incorrectly interprets acl(2)/ACE_GETACL as acl(2)/SETACL.[10:58:40] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6750410 audit configuration files do not align[10:58:42] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6385648 audit_event(4) file contains events that will never be generated[10:58:43] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 4987752 setpgrp(2) audit record seems to show failure.[10:58:44] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6705218 arbitrary string limits for audit events and bsmrecord[10:58:46] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6806491 bsmrecord(1M) should document the path_attr token for fsattr(5) audit records[10:58:50] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6812373 bsmrecord(1M) should be able to read multi line token attributes from audit_record_attr.[10:58:58] <monsted> Jan Friedel is a very noisy man[10:59:07] <g4lt-lappy> holy cow, somebody got busy in the last few minutes[10:59:21] <g4lt-lappy> prolly a batch commit[10:59:27] <monsted> nowai[11:00:17] <g4lt-lappy> still every commit represents a fair bit of work, so the man must not have had much of a life in the last while[11:02:07] *** mib_huotpm has quit IRC[11:02:37] <samc> lewellyn: oh, grub has a patch for that now </backscroll>[11:05:07] * samc spent the last two days doing the bluecoat proxy bccpp course .. much more interesting than I was expecting[11:12:23] *** e-jat has quit IRC[11:15:51] *** hassan has left #opensolaris[11:17:14] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[11:18:08] *** hsp has quit IRC[11:18:59] <_setuid_H> Hi there[11:20:42] <oenone> hi _setuid_H[11:21:02] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[11:21:47] <lewellyn> samc: patch for?[11:23:27] <samc> lewellyn: lack of a fantastically bloated text editor ;)[11:23:58] <samc> the things they manage to cram into stage2![11:27:53] <lewellyn> yeah. there needs to be a middle-ground bootloader in the world :P[11:28:00] <lewellyn> preferably a zfs-friendly one ;)[11:34:18] *** paul_ is now known as paul[11:38:04] *** PatrickA1e has quit IRC[11:38:39] *** PatrickAle has joined #opensolaris[11:39:29] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[11:48:05] <samc> lewellyn: yeah, and it'll have vim built-in![11:48:16] <samc> and a hypervisor[11:49:07] <lewellyn> samc: how about something that just boots the damn os? :P[11:49:39] <lewellyn> imo, it's not the bootloader's fault that the pc bios sucks[11:50:06] <samc> phft, boot the OS .. I just don't put partitions in the first couple of megs of disk, and dd my kernel onto block 0[11:50:09] <samc> \m/[11:50:20] <lewellyn> yes, mr linux[11:50:26] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[11:50:28] <samc> >_>[11:50:34] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[11:50:45] <Randello> hi[11:50:46] <CosmicDJ> is that even possible anymore with an efi labeled disk?[11:50:49] <lewellyn> what? that's the "proper" way to single-boot linux, no? ;)[11:51:25] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: huh? who uses GPT disks besides apple?[11:51:36] <samc> lewellyn: haha, actually I'm not sure .. I imagine it'd work in theory but I've never actually tried :p[11:51:43] <lewellyn> samc: it works[11:51:48] <samc> lewellyn: doesn't zfs, if you give it a full disk?[11:52:02] <lewellyn> you just have to configure your kernel to have the proper boot options[11:52:11] <lewellyn> and i dunno what zfs does to a full disk[11:52:14] <samc> yeah, I remember the tool that wrote your root= and stuff into it[11:52:40] <lewellyn> you can pass /dev/hda to that tool ;)[11:52:52] <lewellyn> but it's safer to modify the file and dd again[11:53:11] <seanmcg> zfs gives the disk an EFI label if its using the whole disk - can't do this for boot though[11:53:17] <samc> haha :D[11:53:17] *** mib_4yekcr38 has joined #opensolaris[11:53:34] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[11:54:17] <Randello> why here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1717/time-proc-5?l=en&a=view&q=ntp is so easy to make work ntp ?[11:55:27] <Stric> .. um.. what?[11:55:46] <Stric> why is it so easy? well.. because.. it is..?[11:56:12] <lewellyn> cd /etc/inet && cp ntp.client ntp.conf && vi ntp.conf && svcadm enable ntp[11:56:14] <oenone> lol[11:56:30] <lewellyn> all you gotta do is put a server name in that file :)[11:56:54] * lewellyn doesn't know why those files don't default to pool.ntp.org[11:57:18] <lewellyn> seems that it'd be easier to just tell people "copy the desired file and enable the service"[11:57:27] <seanmcg> lewellyn, cause one can have machines off the internet..[11:57:55] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[11:58:15] <Stric> seanmcg: in that case, no default is sane anyway[11:58:50] <CosmicDJ> well the default is to sync to multicast ntp...[11:58:54] <lewellyn> for 99% of users, it'd still be sane since it would prefer the multicast, no?[11:59:49] <CosmicDJ> anyway, there is no default since there's no /etc/inet/ntp.conf ;)[12:00:29] <Randello> I can't reach to setup a ntp so my client can sync[12:01:45] <mib_4yekcr38> will it be problem if we have 2 or 3 minutes in ntp sync in the client side?[12:02:21] <lewellyn> Randello: do you have internet access?[12:02:32] <lewellyn> mib_4yekcr38: ?[12:02:40] * oenone uses de.pool.ntp.org[12:03:02] * lewellyn uses multicast ;)[12:03:31] <mib_4yekcr38> we are having login problem in some server if we time gets differ from server to client[12:03:34] <lewellyn> i forget where my main box syncs to. as long as all my times are in sync, that's all that really matters ;)[12:03:37] *** wbkang has quit IRC[12:03:39] <Randello> lewelly yes, but ntp servers and clients are in lan[12:03:40] * CosmicDJ uses a gps clock ;)[12:04:17] <lewellyn> mib_4yekcr38: are you using otp or krb or something? if so, make sure all your clocks are synced to the same timeserver[12:04:23] *** ggeecko has quit IRC[12:05:02] <lewellyn> Randello: on the lan, choose a machine to be a "server". have that sync to the ntp pool and broadcast on the lan. then have the machines on the lan listen to multicast[12:05:04] <mib_4yekcr38> otp means?[12:05:12] <lewellyn> mib_4yekcr38: it's a password thing[12:05:26] <lewellyn> mib_4yekcr38: as a rule, life is easier if your clocks are the same though[12:06:00] <Randello> lewellyn, I'am trying to doing that[12:06:09] <Randello> but I doen't work[12:06:21] <Randello> it[12:07:09] <mib_4yekcr38> see we faced problem when our time got changed from PST to PDT... i found out some of the client server was not syncing with primary server[12:07:15] <Randello> xntpd starts, from netstat I see that it listens, but ntpdate clients don't work[12:07:28] <CosmicDJ> mib_4yekcr38: when the time difference is too high, they won't sync[12:07:46] <mib_4yekcr38> when we checked all solaris 10 has ntp is disabled by default on boot[12:08:07] <mib_4yekcr38> so what i did, i stop the ntp service[12:08:12] <CosmicDJ> Randello: show us your ntp.conf (pastebin)[12:08:27] <mib_4yekcr38> and issued this command ntpdate servername[12:08:31] <CosmicDJ> Randello: and maybe ntpdate errors[12:08:34] <mib_4yekcr38> and then restart the ntp service[12:08:39] <mib_4yekcr38> it is getting sync[12:08:43] <mib_4yekcr38> now..[12:08:51] <CosmicDJ> mib_4yekcr38: yes, see my comment above[12:09:09] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[12:09:23] <mib_4yekcr38> can you please explain will it be different a for ntpdate and rdate?[12:09:41] <mib_4yekcr38> can i use rdate too instead of ntp?[12:09:54] <Stric> they use different protocols[12:10:02] <_setuid_H> who does believe that ibm will buy sun?[12:10:08] <Randello> CosmicDJ, http://rafb.net/p/fB6T3O97.html[12:10:15] <_setuid_H> I really don't want it[12:11:22] <mib_4yekcr38> see we have ontap.... in that we dont have ntpdate.. that why i am asking i checked rdate is there[12:11:54] <CosmicDJ> Randello: and your ntpdate server error?[12:12:16] <Randello> takaya:/etc/apache2# ntpdate 172.16.0.243[12:12:16] <Randello> 19 Mar 11:09:17 ntpdate[3508]: no server suitable for synchronization found[12:12:18] <lewellyn> _setuid_H: it's been discussed to death. no one's succeeded in showing any viable reason for ibm to spend at least half of their on-hand liquid assets and potentially incur debt[12:12:38] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[12:12:44] <CosmicDJ> Randello: check the ntpdate manpage to add some verbosity[12:12:53] *** servo- has quit IRC[12:12:54] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[12:13:06] <Randello> ok[12:13:25] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnr_[12:13:26] <_setuid_H> lewellyn: thank you for the answer[12:13:34] <Stric> Randello: When you start up an xntpd server, it doesn't start responding "correctly" immediately. You need to wait a few minutes for it to trust the servers it is asking[12:13:58] *** mroconnr_ is now known as mroconnor_[12:13:59] <Stric> Randello: ntpq -c pe;ntpq -c as are good commands to check your xntpd server with[12:15:46] <Randello> Stric, if I do ntpq directly in the ntp server I receive localhost: timed out, nothing received[12:16:00] <Randello> the daemon is not answering[12:16:17] <Stric> Is it running?[12:16:17] <CosmicDJ> Randello: and xntpdc -p[12:16:38] <Randello> root@fantaman:/export# xntpdc -p[12:16:38] <Randello> localhost: timed out, nothing received[12:16:40] <CosmicDJ> Stric: good q ;)[12:16:52] <Randello> 0 S root 1140 1 0 0 RT ? 682 ? Mar 17 ? 0:09 /usr/lib/inet/xntpd[12:17:24] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[12:17:38] <Randello> netstat -an | grep 123 http://rafb.net/p/Qaf8if14.html[12:18:40] *** eklof has joined #opensolaris[12:19:59] <eklof> Hi guys, have a question. I have a pool shared over SMB to my macbook. Sometimes when I copy something over, it says copying but the target map is still empty afterwards.... until... I remount the SMB filesystem, then it magically appears :)[12:20:05] <eklof> How can that be? :)[12:20:53] <CosmicDJ> I'd blame Finder ;)[12:21:08] *** mib_4yekcr38 has quit IRC[12:21:15] <eklof> Some piece of crap this finder-thing :([12:21:18] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[12:21:49] <Randello> could anyone who use ntp to sync client on lan side paste his ntp.conf ?[12:22:07] <CosmicDJ> server or client?[12:22:09] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[12:22:11] <Randello> server[12:22:15] *** mib_0smse47d has joined #opensolaris[12:22:29] <Randello> it seems that is a restric or auth problem[12:22:54] <CosmicDJ> you don't have any restrict's in your ntp.conf...[12:23:04] <Randello> true[12:23:14] <CosmicDJ> I'd try stopping ntp and restarting it from command line with verbosity enabled[12:23:24] <Randello> ok[12:26:11] <Randello> mmmm nothing move, it binds but the debug is stopped like a big lazy boy[12:27:44] *** Ramdac_ has quit IRC[12:29:14] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:30:43] * trochej search for the last coffee[12:31:26] <trochej> At 10?[12:31:29] <trochej> Wow[12:31:34] <trochej> Needs a change[12:31:38] <trochej> Coffee[12:31:47] *** taltamir has quit IRC[12:31:59] <Chipdancer> trochej: where are you?[12:32:41] <CosmicDJ> sounds like the middle of the atlantic ;)[12:32:58] <trochej> Poland[12:33:15] <CosmicDJ> it's not 10 o clock in .pl[12:33:28] <trochej> CosmicDJ: Of course, not![12:33:34] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: am, perhaps?[12:33:42] <trochej> CosmicDJ: It is past noon[12:34:00] <trochej> But the point is, I had last coffee at 10:08, according to channel logs[12:34:07] <CosmicDJ> so, time for lunch, bbl ;)[12:34:29] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[12:35:49] <trochej> hugohagogo: Are you CosmicDJ's lunch?[12:35:54] *** Karu has left #opensolaris[12:37:43] <CosmicDJ> if hugohagogo is a hot brazilian samba girl, I have no objections ;)[12:39:31] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:41:54] <Cyrille> chances are that in the context of this channel, samba wouldn't refer to the dance.[12:42:16] <Cyrille> she could still be brazilian and hot, though, so all's not lost.[12:43:23] <hugohagogo> trochej: sorry, but I am a brazilian man and I don't like samba[12:43:25] <monsted> but would you really want a SMB girl?[12:44:11] <monsted> how about a hot brazilian NFS girl?[12:44:58] <trochej> hugohagogo: Don't sorry me, it's CosmicDJ who could be dissapointed. :)[12:45:06] <lewellyn> is anyone here *not* in the usa or europe?[12:45:16] <lewellyn> well, i guess all of north america :P[12:45:26] * lewellyn looked at the page again[12:45:28] <monsted> it seems hugohagogo isn't :)[12:45:51] *** pasky has left #opensolaris[12:45:51] <lewellyn> i obviously pay attention at 5am ;)[12:45:56] <trochej> lewellyn: As far as I remember, rasil is not a part of North America?[12:46:13] <trochej> s/rasil/Brasil/[12:46:31] <lewellyn> would a brazilian be willing to visit a webpage for me and tell me if there's stuff available for download? :)[12:46:33] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[12:47:41] * hugohagogo guess trochej don't knows geography[12:47:45] <lewellyn> this site's apparently not using whichever geoip data that claims i'm in iceland :P[12:48:11] <lewellyn> trochej is correct; brazil is in south america ;)[12:48:57] <Cyrille> the more important question (and potential flamewar accelerant) is whether the United States of Mexico are in North America.[12:49:20] <hugohagogo> =)[12:49:43] <CosmicDJ> Cyrille: it's in middle-america ;)[12:50:41] <hugohagogo> Alaska is in North America, but the problem is that Alaska is the Alaska, ;)[12:50:48] <lewellyn> Cyrille: it's part of the continent of north america. it's up to your political boundaries, if you wish to accept that or not[12:51:44] <trochej> I thought that North America == USA and all the rest is Out There. :)[12:52:30] <hugohagogo> thank god for this, ;)[12:53:28] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[12:54:19] <Cyrille> lewellyn, I also always thought it was in North America (and use its membership in NAFTA to validate my opinion), but I always thought is was interesting that many people wanted to move it to South America because they think North America == People who speak English (+ a few guys who try to speak French).[12:55:17] <CosmicDJ> trochej: http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/%7Esara/html/mapping/election/mental_worldmap.gif[12:55:57] <hugohagogo> Cyrille: maybe you mean creolle, do you?[12:56:12] <_setuid_H> CosmicDJ: :-)[12:56:32] <hugohagogo> French I don't think so, ;0[12:56:34] <hugohagogo> ;)[12:56:47] <Cyrille> I was more thinking of Quebecois and maybe Cajuns.[12:57:45] <_setuid_H> CosmicDJ: you should spent some time on some geography books africa and europe are not joined together :-)[12:57:52] *** niq has quit IRC[12:58:14] <_setuid_H> CosmicDJ: sorry this is not provided by you so tell it to the sara[13:02:46] <lewellyn> Cyrille: if it weren't for canada being in the way of alaska, the usa would try to get the continent named after it :P[13:05:27] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[13:06:15] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[13:16:32] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[13:28:10] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[13:28:39] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris[13:29:35] <Herr_cane> My chipset fan... fell off. Onto the video card.[13:29:55] <Herr_cane> This strikes me as an excusable reason for sacrificing my uptime.[13:30:06] *** Herr_cane has quit IRC[13:31:10] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[13:33:03] * Lumb is now known LumiCouldNotCareLess[13:33:36] *** krisis has left #opensolaris[13:33:56] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[13:38:25] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[13:38:40] *** syd`_ has joined #opensolaris[13:38:40] *** syd` has quit IRC[13:38:50] <g4lt-lappy> what damn fool arch requires a fan?[13:39:42] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[13:42:37] <flyingparchment> okay, if a disk is 381548MB, what is that in marketing size? 400MB?[13:42:40] *** hsp is now known as hsp_away[13:44:33] <CosmicDJ> hm no, I'd say 400000 MB[13:45:18] <flyingparchment> uh, i mean 400GB ;)[13:47:11] <monsted> looks like a 400G disk to me[13:47:26] <Stric> flyingparchment: 381548*1024*1024/10^9 =~ 400[13:47:34] <monsted> 400082075648 bytes[13:47:47] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[13:52:53] *** rammer has joined #opensolaris[13:54:57] *** axisys has quit IRC[13:55:33] <gkl> hi[13:55:45] <gkl> this question has probably been asked before but I can't find the answer[13:55:55] <gkl> is there a way to make dmake work over ssh? or do I need to enable rlogin/rsh/etc?[13:57:12] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:58:04] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[13:58:48] <Stric> If it requires rsh, just make a symlink to ssh called rsh in some directory and add that to your path[13:58:53] <CIA-33> Adrian Frost <Adrian.Frost at Sun dot COM>: 6801683 FMA memory diagnosis does not fail dimm for too many correctable memory errors, 6801674 fma topo hcfmri should not contain white space, 6798160 fma may generate memory mirror broken fault to soon[13:58:57] *** tg has quit IRC[13:58:58] *** tg` has joined #opensolaris[13:59:11] *** tg` is now known as tg[14:00:06] <gkl> okay[14:00:08] <gkl> I'll try that[14:00:09] <g4lt-lappy> actually, isn't there a shell variable that ssh provides, to do that, I think CVS needed that workaround once[14:00:24] <gkl> there are forum postings on it dating back to 2006[14:00:31] <gkl> "we'll add ssh support"[14:00:35] <gkl> and then no followups[14:00:44] <gkl> it's not in the dmake man[14:00:57] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[14:01:26] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[14:01:30] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[14:01:56] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[14:02:21] <gkl> okay, so[14:02:37] <gkl> in the PATH variable, which paths get highest priority? the beginning or the end?[14:03:33] <turtle> beginning[14:03:37] <gkl> hrm[14:03:39] <gkl> okay[14:03:51] <gkl> thank you very much[14:04:04] <gkl> I hope relinking rsh doesn't break things[14:04:41] *** Randello has quit IRC[14:06:05] <flyingparchment> g4lt-lappy: no, the variable is provided by cvs (CVS_RSH). ssh couldn't provide that, since 'rsh' doesn't invoke ssh[14:06:20] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[14:06:27] <rammer> Anybody know if qfe driver is available in 2008.11? Google wasn't much help. It seems that there was some discussion in 2007 and a man page exists for it but for some reason that isn't installed on my system.[14:06:45] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[14:08:09] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[14:08:53] *** e1kg has quit IRC[14:09:02] <rammer> prtconf sees the card. dladm doesn't[14:09:03] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[14:09:28] *** Odin- has quit IRC[14:09:44] *** drondia has joined #opensolaris[14:09:54] <gkl> neat[14:09:56] <gkl> it works[14:09:59] <gkl> thanks guys[14:10:18] <gkl> I am compiling over two computers[14:10:19] <gkl> very exciting[14:12:10] *** Lab-One has joined #opensolaris[14:12:13] <Lab-One> hi to all, i've a problem with zpool. My machine crash and i've a root disk with a 5 pool disk. I need to change this thisk to another machine for restore my system. But when i boot i get "i/o device have been retired". I think it's the order of disk i try some tests but not works, someone know how i can restore?[14:13:39] <asyd> hmm the order of the disks (is suppose to) doesn't matters[14:14:33] <Lab-One> :/[14:14:49] <Lab-One> 5x5 possiblies[14:15:05] <Lab-One> how i can know how set[14:15:05] <Lab-One> ?[14:15:38] *** syd` has joined #opensolaris[14:15:49] <oenone> you should have remembered how they were connected in the old setup[14:17:38] <flyingparchment> zfs doesn't care what order they're connected in[14:18:00] <flyingparchment> your question is kind of unclear though. did you move the root disk or just the pool?[14:19:35] *** nyati has quit IRC[14:19:51] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:19:57] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[14:20:35] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[14:23:26] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[14:23:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[14:23:28] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[14:27:25] <Lab-One> my question it's how i can use my old system[14:27:29] *** syd`_ has quit IRC[14:27:36] <Lab-One> i need to boot how allways[14:28:19] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[14:28:20] <asyd> hmm[14:28:23] <asyd> small test[14:28:29] <asyd> (how to detect weechat users)[14:28:37] <asyd> 999999999 999[14:28:52] *** gorem has joined #opensolaris[14:28:54] <asyd> pfff[14:29:07] <oenone> ffft[14:29:09] <flyingparchment> don't we usually ban people who try to crash clients deliberately?[14:29:19] <asyd> :)[14:29:21] <rammer> It seems that the qfe driver is still sparc only as per http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/pkgdefs/SUNWqfed/[14:29:29] <asyd> sorry[14:29:53] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[14:30:06] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris[14:31:14] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[14:31:32] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[14:32:03] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[14:32:41] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[14:33:12] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[14:34:33] *** samuelig has quit IRC[14:36:56] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[14:37:34] *** asarch has quit IRC[14:38:06] *** samuelig has joined #opensolaris[14:38:20] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[14:40:21] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[14:42:29] *** tg has quit IRC[14:42:34] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[14:43:23] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[14:45:50] <mib_0smse47d> Hi[14:46:00] <mib_0smse47d> can anyone say what is the usage of pfexec[14:46:07] *** aksyn has joined #opensolaris[14:46:13] <seanmcg> man pfexec[14:46:17] <g4lt-lappy> the manpage?[14:46:29] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[14:47:45] <mib_0smse47d> is it like sudo?[14:47:54] <mib_0smse47d> i read man pages[14:47:59] <seanmcg> its RBAC[14:48:08] <seanmcg> 'like' sudo, but not.[14:48:51] <mib_0smse47d> ok thanks[14:49:00] <digifor> If I ran the OSOL device detection tool under linux can it download the appropriate driver so that I can burn them to a cd-r?[14:50:18] *** wdp has quit IRC[14:50:22] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[14:51:01] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[14:51:17] *** hsp_away is now known as hsp[14:51:23] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[14:55:30] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[15:04:34] *** gorem has quit IRC[15:11:43] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[15:13:20] *** chrisr has joined #opensolaris[15:14:14] <chrisr> Does anybody here know a lot about sunrays?[15:14:55] <asyd> don't ask to ask, jus ask[15:15:10] *** rarn has joined #opensolaris[15:16:06] <chrisr> We want to log people out who have been logged in for more than 2 weeks, but they must be logged in only using their sunray cards[15:17:14] *** bgupta__ has quit IRC[15:17:25] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[15:17:48] <g4lt-lappy> meaning if you're not on sunray and you've been on 2 weeks, keep on?[15:18:09] <chrisr> yeah[15:18:22] <chrisr> only log them out if they have their card in[15:18:56] <chrisr> so normal users who are logged in without a card, keep on[15:19:50] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[15:20:00] <gerard13> what a strange choice? so in the future, card'users will stop using cards[15:20:34] <chrisr> they have to use cards[15:21:05] <chrisr> I work in a laboratory and people are constantly changing which terminal they are working from, and they need to keep the same desktop[15:21:15] *** ibfifh has joined #opensolaris[15:21:35] <CosmicDJ> and why do you need them to log out after two weeks?[15:21:40] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[15:21:43] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[15:22:03] <chrisr> because it means they have probably left their card in the sunray, and its taking up resources[15:23:23] <gerard13> chrisr i'm also working in a laboratory, but if you constrain card users more than no card users, they stop to use the cards, and log in 2 times?[15:23:37] *** cwebber has quit IRC[15:24:59] <CosmicDJ> if they "left" the smartcard in there for 2 weeks, you could probably kill a session in-use[15:26:09] <CosmicDJ> and wrt ressources, most sun servers should have enough ram nowadays ;)[15:27:06] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[15:28:08] <CosmicDJ> I think the "hm I'm a logged in for nearly 2 weeks now, ah damnit I'll just relogin" puts more stress on your server[15:29:37] <mib_0smse47d> anyone knows ntpdate between rdate difference?[15:30:14] <CosmicDJ> mib_0smse47d: I think someone answered that already, they're using different protocols[15:30:21] *** devians__ has quit IRC[15:30:48] <g4lt-lappy> presumably the sunray users are all on differing PTYs, so just set your reaper script to look at sunray PTYs and leave console alone[15:31:17] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:32:18] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[15:32:27] <mib_0smse47d> ok thanks[15:34:31] *** zGhost has joined #opensolaris[15:34:36] *** Dar has quit IRC[15:37:23] *** cravil has quit IRC[15:39:14] <axisys> is there a desktop recorder tool for OS 2009.06 ?[15:40:02] *** chrisr has left #opensolaris[15:40:03] <asyd> search for recordmydesktop[15:40:33] <e^ipi> 2009.06 doesn't exist yet[15:41:32] <e^ipi> i'm not sure why genunix decided to call their 107-based 2008.11 respin "2009.06" but it's not correct[15:42:24] <e^ipi> they may as well call it a 2010.12 beta, it's about as meaningful[15:43:18] <axisys> e^ipi: (iqbala)@scrub:~$ cat /etc/release[15:43:18] <axisys> OpenSolaris 2009.06 snv_109 X86[15:43:19] <axisys> Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.[15:43:52] <oenone> oh noes! you travelled back in time![15:43:56] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:44:45] <e^ipi> axisys: so they monkeyed with /etc/release as well[15:44:48] <axisys> asyd: what repository? pkg.opensolaris.org does not have it .. looking in blastwave now[15:45:01] <e^ipi> again, may as well call it a 2025.06 release[15:45:11] <axisys> e^ipi: heh[15:45:17] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[15:45:32] *** rarn has quit IRC[15:45:37] <e^ipi> since build 111 isn't even out yet, you can't have something that even approximates 2009.06[15:45:58] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[15:45:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[15:46:12] *** baza112 has joined #opensolaris[15:46:52] <CosmicDJ> well 2009.06 won't be the latest and greatest snv_ snapshot, but rather an older, well tested build I guess[15:46:59] *** baza112 is now known as baza11215[15:47:13] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[15:47:52] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: it's not a release or a respin, it's a preview[15:48:03] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[15:49:14] <axisys> asyd: i have not found a pkg.. no prob if i have to compile unless there is a pkg that does something similar to what recordmydesktop can do[15:52:29] *** cravil has joined #opensolaris[15:53:22] *** digifor has quit IRC[15:54:19] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[15:54:44] *** lesterc has quit IRC[15:56:14] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:58:39] <CIA-33> Stephen Hanson <Stephen.Hanson at Sun dot COM>: 6781786 race condition in errorq_reserve[15:59:44] *** doug_outout is now known as doug_out[15:59:45] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[15:59:46] <e^ipi> flyingparchment: a preview of what? it's not built off the same stuff that 2009.06 will be[16:00:54] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:02:59] <CosmicDJ> well, then you have to blame sun/opensolaris.org as well http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=96985&tstart=0[16:03:04] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris[16:04:53] *** pjlv has joined #opensolaris[16:06:07] *** wewek has quit IRC[16:07:13] *** alain10 has quit IRC[16:07:34] *** ibfifh has quit IRC[16:07:52] *** ken has quit IRC[16:08:20] <asyd> 7[16:08:22] <asyd> oups[16:08:27] <oenone> 8[16:08:34] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[16:09:16] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[16:09:22] <g4lt-lappy> 60^(1/2)[16:10:38] *** bgupta has left #opensolaris[16:11:43] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:11:57] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[16:18:51] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[16:19:04] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[16:21:11] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[16:22:15] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[16:22:22] *** wbkang has quit IRC[16:24:11] <kjetilho> hey guys, yesterday I reported problems with bursty ZFS performance. it was suggested 1 GiB RAM is too little for OpenSolaris.[16:24:42] <kjetilho> today I replaced my server with a shiny new Sun x4150 with 4 GiB RAM[16:24:47] <Lab-One> hi to all, i've a problem with zpool. My machine crash and i've a root disk with a 5 pool disk. I need to change this thisk to another machine for restore my system. But when i boot i get "i/o device have been retired". I think it's the order of disk i try some tests but not works, someone know how i can restore?[16:25:05] <kjetilho> but the behaviour is unchanged. 14 MB/s write, using dd![16:30:19] *** niq has quit IRC[16:31:35] <bda> kjetilho: dd from what?[16:31:46] <bda> kjetilho: What is your ZFS config? What does your ARC look like?[16:31:52] <bda> (use Ben's arc_summary.pl)[16:31:54] <bda> Do you have compression on?[16:33:12] <kjetilho> bda: /dev/zero. all default settings from 2008.11[16:33:23] <bda> /dev/zero is kind of useless.[16:33:28] <bda> Go get bonnie++ or filebench.[16:33:51] <kjetilho> well, sure its useless. but it *should* give a best case number[16:34:09] <bda> Ok.[16:37:12] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[16:38:14] <mib_0smse47d> Hi[16:38:23] <mib_0smse47d> if i do ntpdate servername[16:38:29] <mib_0smse47d> i am getting below error[16:38:29] <mib_0smse47d> 19 Mar 08:38:50 ntpdate[15389]: no server suitable for synchronization found[16:38:46] <mib_0smse47d> can anyone suggest[16:40:08] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[16:40:35] *** ikarius has quit IRC[16:40:42] *** kim0 has quit IRC[16:42:52] <SQlvpapir_> kjetilho: what blocksize are you writing?[16:43:16] *** tg has quit IRC[16:43:17] <kjetilho> SQlvpapir_: 1 MiB[16:43:20] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[16:43:40] <kjetilho> mib_0smse47d: check your firewall?[16:44:05] *** elbola24 has joined #opensolaris[16:44:11] *** elbola24 has left #opensolaris[16:47:42] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[16:48:12] *** gnb_ has joined #opensolaris[16:48:27] <Lab-One> hi to all[16:48:44] <Lab-One> i've a 5 disk with zpool[16:48:47] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[16:48:59] <Lab-One> i want to mount this zpool in another solaris machine[16:49:10] <kjetilho> doing dd to a single disk, I get 97 MB/s... (I nuked the zpool)[16:49:22] <DTEIT> re[16:49:39] <Lab-One> i need to install this disks in another solaris machine[16:49:42] <Lab-One> how i can import?[16:49:53] <gnb_> zpool import -f <id>[16:50:35] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[16:50:46] <gnb_> and maybe read man zpool (import/export)[16:51:17] <Lab-One> i'm reading but solaris detect my pool name?[16:51:34] <Lab-One> my rootdisks in old machine it's dead[16:51:45] <Lab-One> and i need to import this zpools in new solaris machine[16:51:46] <gnb_> the pool name is part of the meta-data on the disk(s)[16:51:57] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[16:52:10] <gnb_> just try 'zpool import' on the new box, it should list the pool[16:52:12] <Lab-One> gnb_ i need to install solaris on other disk, and later zpool import -f nameofmyoldpool[16:52:15] <Lab-One> :)[16:52:16] <Lab-One> thanks[16:52:30] <SQlvpapir_> Lab-One: you dont have to specify the pool iirc[16:52:44] <gnb_> yeah, zpool import -f -a would also work[16:52:47] <SQlvpapir_> only if it is inside a file[16:53:03] <SQlvpapir_> then you should specify the directory[16:54:16] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[16:54:19] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[16:55:03] <Lab-One> :) i like zfs![16:55:19] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[16:57:31] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[16:57:35] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[16:57:59] *** calumb has quit IRC[16:58:14] <kjetilho> heh, with all 12 disks in just one raidz2 vdev, performance is even worse, 10 MB/s[16:58:41] <trichobezoar> are you using a p90?[16:58:51] <kjetilho> no, an x4150[16:58:56] <SQlvpapir_> try the mailing list kjetilho[16:59:02] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris[16:59:17] <kjetilho> "E5410 @ 2.33GHz"[16:59:29] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[17:00:32] <CosmicDJ> kjetilho: so "ptime mkfile 100m file1" prints 10s ?[17:00:52] <tsoome> kjetilho: write perfomance is bad, not read?[17:02:04] <kjetilho> CosmicDJ: well, see, it's very bursty. so the time taken for smaller files can get hidden[17:02:30] <kjetilho> so your command typically runs in 5-7 seconds[17:02:38] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[17:02:41] <kjetilho> tsoome: I haven't really looked at read performance yet[17:03:21] <tsoome> dont expect great write perfomance with raid5/raid6 with 12 disks in group:D[17:03:22] <kjetilho> I'm supposed to migrate 10 TB to this system. with 10 MB/s that will take weeks[17:03:45] <kjetilho> tsoome: original setup was two raidz1 with six disks each[17:04:00] <tsoome> and i suppose, it was a bit better:D[17:04:06] <kjetilho> yes -- 14 MB/s...[17:04:42] <tsoome> ayee[17:04:46] <kjetilho> seriously, I'm expecting at least 200 MB/s for such a simple benchmark[17:05:25] <kjetilho> (since each spindle can handle 100 MB/s linear writes consistently)[17:05:54] <CosmicDJ> what's your benchmark?[17:06:03] <kjetilho> dd if=/dev/zero[17:06:19] <kjetilho> although I see the same lousy performance when rsync-ing 10 GB files[17:06:23] <tsoome> 12 disks in group means to write down a block, you read up all blocks from those disks, do xor , change the block, xor and write change[17:06:35] <kjetilho> these are empty disks[17:06:40] <kjetilho> no need to read anything[17:06:48] <tsoome> also keep in mind the xor is binary operator[17:07:23] <tsoome> read up what is raid 5 and what is raid 6 and how they operate[17:07:43] <gnb_> getting 156MB/sec on a 12-disk raidz2 here.. using dd :)[17:07:55] <kjetilho> I have a different system where I get 396 MB/s[17:07:57] <tsoome> write down single 128k data block and monitor it with iostat[17:08:45] <tsoome> you have full disks in that raid i hope[17:08:59] <kjetilho> yes[17:09:15] <kjetilho> the other system is x4140 (AMD)[17:09:32] <CosmicDJ> is your firmware/bios up2date?[17:09:37] <tsoome> so its the same machine with different cpu[17:10:00] <trichobezoar> Not being full disks seems like a good reason for the horrible performance. Because then write cache would bet urned off[17:10:34] <tsoome> also compare /etc/system ...[17:10:37] <trichobezoar> I think a zpool status may be in order[17:10:45] <kjetilho> trichobezoar: well, the write cache on each disk is turned off. but there's write cache on the "RAID" controller[17:11:12] *** jteo has quit IRC[17:11:14] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:11:18] <CosmicDJ> kjetilho: http://blogs.sun.com/damienf/entry/best_practise_maintain_bios_for[17:12:07] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[17:12:08] *** joshcarter has joined #opensolaris[17:12:34] *** stevel has quit IRC[17:13:42] <tsoome> 4140 and 4150 should be pretty similar machines, except for cpu; its still worth to check out differenced from ground up - disk cache, HBA setup bios as mentioned and so on[17:13:45] <kjetilho> CosmicDJ: thanks, I'll check my firmwares[17:13:56] <lewellyn> rammer: did you ever get your answer?[17:14:18] <joshcarter> can someone tell me what /opt/SUNWspro/bin/acomp is supposed to do?[17:14:28] <joshcarter> or, more to the point, why my SS12 doesn't have it?[17:14:54] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[17:15:01] <joshcarter> I'm pretty sure I installed the right tools for building opensolaris, but my build is failing because it can't find acomp.[17:15:25] <CosmicDJ> joshcarter: google://studio acomp, guess what the first hit is[17:15:30] <tsoome> broken install[17:16:01] <joshcarter> ah, got it, thanks.[17:16:56] <CosmicDJ> joshcarter: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/sun_studio_12_tools/[17:17:03] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[17:17:20] <joshcarter> CosmicDJ: that's what I installed.[17:18:56] *** [JT] has quit IRC[17:19:12] <joshcarter> huh, prod/bin and bin each have tools, some overlapping, some not.[17:19:14] <joshcarter> lovely.[17:19:14] <tsoome> is the file really missing?[17:19:33] *** shuman_ has quit IRC[17:19:34] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[17:19:49] <tsoome> welllllll.... you probably need to learn what is symlink?[17:20:06] <joshcarter> tsoome: yea no shit I know what a symlink is[17:20:11] <tsoome> ;)[17:20:21] <joshcarter> maybe the tools and the makefiles should agree on where to put stuff?[17:20:40] <jkimball4> when is 110 due?[17:21:22] <tsoome> you used tarball and solaris tar?[17:21:36] <seanmcg> based on the bi-weekly cycle SXCE 110 should be out next week I think.[17:21:47] *** brett_ has left #opensolaris[17:22:03] <joshcarter> I'm using hg sources, the SS12 that has the opensolaris build patches applied, and matching onbld.[17:22:22] *** cidco has joined #opensolaris[17:22:54] <cidco> Question, I hnave 4 drives I want to install OpenSolaris with ZFS and have one giant pool that is booted off and used for storage. Can I do this?[17:23:05] *** dunc_ has quit IRC[17:23:20] <lewellyn> seanmcg: um. i think sxce is due tomorrow[17:23:33] <CosmicDJ> cidco: nope[17:23:39] *** brett_ has joined #opensolaris[17:23:42] *** Kvsh- has joined #opensolaris[17:23:46] <lewellyn> being 2 weeks since the last one[17:23:49] <CosmicDJ> cidco: you can only boot from a single disk or a 2-disk mirror[17:24:13] <cidco> CosmicDJ , thats what i feared. Ok Ill just make a 2 pools[17:24:21] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: s/2/n+1/[17:24:31] <cidco> CosmicDJ will that work ?[17:24:37] <e^ipi> for all N in N[17:25:10] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[17:25:15] <kjetilho> hmm, after "pkg image-update" I get slightly better performance. like 47 MB/s (sometimes 110 MB/s)[17:25:17] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: hm... ok then this 2 disk limitation was in SVM[17:26:31] <cidco> CosmicDJ So I can do the normal install and it will setup ZFS pool automaticaly and after system is setup add the second drive to the mirror?[17:26:38] <cidco> or can it be specified durring setup ?[17:26:40] <kjetilho> it's still 3 seconds of write activity, then 4 seconds of idleness (according to zpool iostat -v pool 1)[17:27:28] <e^ipi> cidco: you can do that ( the first one )[17:27:43] <cidco> Thanks![17:27:51] <kjetilho> actually, more like 2 seconds activity, then 6 seconds sleep.[17:27:54] <e^ipi> http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html[17:27:59] <e^ipi> do that.[17:28:05] <e^ipi> that makes your mirror bootable[17:30:31] <seanmcg> lewellyn, ah ok..[17:32:20] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[17:35:37] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[17:36:32] *** joshcarter_ has joined #opensolaris[17:36:40] *** sactodave has quit IRC[17:37:29] *** alfism has quit IRC[17:37:34] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[17:38:15] <inaddy> does anybody here knows open storage 7110 ?[17:41:42] *** mib_0smse47d has quit IRC[17:42:02] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[17:42:27] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[17:42:46] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[17:43:08] <flyingparchment> does anyone use openssh on solaris and noticed that auth/login seems much slower than sun ssh?[17:43:19] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[17:43:32] *** ken is now known as ken-h[17:45:57] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris[17:46:59] *** rv- has quit IRC[17:48:08] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[17:48:44] <wereHamster> does osol spin down disks if they aren't used for a long time?[17:49:55] <inaddy> flyingparchment: sometimes its reverse config thats not working[17:49:59] <inaddy> then ssh takes more time[17:50:07] <flyingparchment> reverse dns is fine[17:50:09] *** pjlv has quit IRC[17:50:14] <inaddy> humm[17:50:44] <inaddy> what is the server ?[17:51:01] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[17:51:03] <flyingparchment> source is an X4540, destination is a dell PE1950. cpu load is <5%[17:51:07] <inaddy> and .. does openssh uses the solaris ssl library ?[17:51:20] <inaddy> or is using and /usr/local/ or other lib[17:51:26] <inaddy> like.. have u compiled openssl ?[17:51:29] <flyingparchment> libcrypto.so.0.9.7 => /usr/sfw/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7[17:51:46] <inaddy> humm[17:52:44] <inaddy> wierd.. it could take more time if it wasnt solaris libcrypto[17:53:18] *** joshcarter_ has quit IRC[17:54:51] <tsoome> why should i ever replace integrated ssh with something else:P[17:56:03] <flyingparchment> you probably shouldn't - i did it because i want the hpn patch (it 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how much can I mess up by running it? can I mount it read/only somehow?[19:17:28] <trygvis> crap, I don't know the correct order in the set[19:17:58] <holcomb> yikes.[19:18:37] *** tfb has quit IRC[19:18:46] <trygvis> is there no map between the device id and their old position?[19:19:31] <tsoome> trygvis: yes its safe (relatively)[19:19:38] <oenone> sxce 110 is out?[19:20:11] <trygvis> so I can create it with -k and try to mount the fs with -o ro?[19:20:17] <tsoome> no mount[19:20:33] <tsoome> fsck first without repair (-n i believe)[19:21:13] <tsoome> if it will pass or got only minor issues, fix it, and then you can mount[19:21:31] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[19:22:41] *** MattMan has quit IRC[19:22:41] <trygvis> ah, ok[19:22:50] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[19:22:58] <trygvis> but the metainit itself is safe (no writing to the disk)?[19:23:11] <tsoome> metainit will write to metadb[19:23:24] <trygvis> that's fine, that is on the new zpool[19:25:04] *** cypromis has joined 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so I guess not[20:04:59] <gkl> thanks[20:07:57] *** cidco has quit IRC[20:07:58] *** Erwann has quit IRC[20:10:22] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[20:10:52] *** sactodav1 has joined #opensolaris[20:12:12] *** Traveler0 has joined #opensolaris[20:12:14] <sactodav1> I'm having an issue with build 109 in that Xorg is using 100% of a cpu core and won't respond to kill. Is this a known issue?[20:17:20] *** marcin__ has quit IRC[20:17:20] *** ken has quit IRC[20:17:37] *** Alasdair has joined #opensolaris[20:18:01] *** jmatrix has joined #opensolaris[20:18:58] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[20:20:27] <sactodav1> Is anyone there?[20:20:36] *** rv- has quit IRC[20:20:36] *** fftb has quit IRC[20:20:36] *** gdamore1 has quit IRC[20:20:36] *** exl_ has quit IRC[20:20:37] *** Troll_Man has quit IRC[20:20:37] *** \amethyst has quit IRC[20:20:37] *** Alasdairrr has quit IRC[20:20:37] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[20:20:37] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[20:20:37] *** pfn has quit IRC[20:20:37] *** timelyx has quit IRC[20:21:04] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** exl_ has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** gdamore1 has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** Troll_Man has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** \amethyst has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** Alasdairrr has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** pfn has joined #opensolaris[20:21:04] *** timelyx has joined #opensolaris[20:21:34] *** baza11215 has quit IRC[20:21:35] *** mib_et4fd0 has joined #opensolaris[20:21:40] <mib_et4fd0> hello[20:21:53] <mib_et4fd0> there is a way to configure pkg to just use http_proxy?[20:22:47] <mib_et4fd0> i'm trying to use a squid proxy that is configured to http proxy only, and getting error: Could not retrieve catalog from 'opensolaris.org'[20:23:05] <mib_et4fd0> anybody??[20:24:53] <sactodav1> I will check[20:25:47] <trochej> Coffee[20:26:46] <sactodav1> <mib_et4fd0> should be pkg.opensolaris.org. I'm not having an issue[20:28:52] <mib_et4fd0> the error i'm getting is about opensolaris.org... i should cofigure different in some place?[20:29:34] <sactodav1> <mib_et4fd0> you should look to see that the repository says pkg.opensolaris.org[20:30:27] <mib_et4fd0> pkg authority says that.[20:31:41] <sactodav1> <mib_et4fd0> ok. Then make sure that http_proxy is set for the shell that is running the pkg command[20:31:47] *** TechSalvager has joined #opensolaris[20:31:59] <TechSalvager> Hello anyone use the opensolaris sparc build here?[20:32:14] <sactodav1> I need help with Xorg[20:32:24] <houst0n> :/ evening folks[20:33:55] <syd`> TechSalvager: I run sxce on sparc[20:34:20] <mib_et4fd0> sactodav1: maybe a squid problem... i did try to use wget and get the error: ERROR 403: Forbidden[20:34:26] *** Alasdairrr has quit IRC[20:34:51] <TechSalvager> syd`, I just downloaded the opensolaris automatic install image, burnt to cd-rw, and try to boot from open firmware on my ultra 10 creator but I get magic number problem and won't boot[20:34:54] <TechSalvager> anny ideas?[20:35:07] <syd`> TechSalvager: which one? opensolaris or sxce?[20:35:14] <TechSalvager> opensolaris I believe[20:35:23] <syd`> the beta from genunix?[20:35:57] <TechSalvager> osol-0811.iso , let me check[20:36:02] <CosmicDJ> TechSalvager: and your ultra10 meets the ai requirements?[20:36:05] *** capaz has quit IRC[20:36:16] <TechSalvager> CosmicDJ, I didn't check off hand let me see[20:36:38] <CosmicDJ> TechSalvager: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=96985&tstart=0[20:36:59] *** pjd has joined #opensolaris[20:37:07] <CosmicDJ> TechSalvager: you can't just insert a cd and boot from that on sparc...[20:37:28] <TechSalvager> CosmicDJ, for those AI builds?[20:37:40] <syd`> CosmicDJ: why not?[20:37:59] <syd`> just "boot cdrom"...or am I missing something?[20:38:19] <CosmicDJ> syd`: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/AI_install_server_setup.html[20:38:48] *** michi__ has joined #opensolaris[20:38:53] <CosmicDJ> syd`: it's boot net:dhcp[20:38:54] <syd`> aherrr[20:38:56] <michi__> hi everyone[20:39:23] <syd`> just burn sxce and install that :P[20:39:24] <TechSalvager> well thats not going to work at all sorry CosmicDJ syd` back to finding something else[20:39:32] <TechSalvager> syd`, whats sxce?[20:39:42] <syd`> solaris express community edition[20:39:45] <michi__> can anyone tell me how to configure the x server? I installed solaris for the first time today but i only get 50Hz..[20:39:58] <syd`> the official binary distribution from sun[20:40:00] <CosmicDJ> TechSalvager: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/general_faq/#whatis[20:40:01] <syd`> it comes on a DVD[20:40:11] <syd`> which nicely boots in your sparc[20:40:19] *** michi__ is now known as blaxx[20:40:24] *** blaxx is now known as blaxx_[20:40:30] <TechSalvager> only have 256MB of ram \333mhz IIi[20:40:32] <syd`> (and installer supports the serial console)[20:40:42] <TechSalvager> CosmicDJ, thanks found it[20:40:48] <syd`> TechSalvager: I might be wrong but I think you need more ram[20:40:58] <trochej> Buy more RAM[20:41:37] <CosmicDJ> I'd rather buy a new machine, some nice 64bit amd or intel ;)[20:41:43] <TechSalvager> I agree CosmicDJ[20:41:54] <fkr> good evening[20:41:57] <syd`> the last release of solaris 10, for example, doesn't installs on my ultra 5 which has 256 mb ram[20:42:17] <trichobezoar> TechSalvager: Sounds like a good machine for netbsd[20:42:28] <TechSalvager> that explains why I can't install 10, I know I installed solaris 10 before[20:42:30] <fkr> codestr0m?[20:42:39] <trichobezoar> Or Solaris 8. Nobody wants solaris 8 though.[20:42:47] *** tosh has quit IRC[20:42:49] <TechSalvager> is solaris 8 free?[20:42:51] <syd`> TechSalvager: it runs 6/06 quite nicely.[20:43:04] <TechSalvager> syd`, is still for download though?[20:43:28] <TechSalvager> I wanted to put solaris 10 back on it, I had debian on it but it was slower then when I had 10 on before with JDS[20:43:30] <syd`> I don't know. Have a DVD lying out there[20:43:37] <blaxx_> is there really noone who wants to help a newbie/linux switcher? ^^[20:44:05] <trichobezoar> Look at the topic for that document[20:44:28] <trichobezoar> Next step is to ask a specific question[20:45:03] <blaxx_> i already did..[20:45:04] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[20:45:14] <blaxx_> so ok.. i have a problem with my x server[20:45:16] <trichobezoar> Ah you changed nicks[20:45:26] <blaxx_> ;)[20:45:31] *** noyb_ has quit IRC[20:45:42] <blaxx_> i cant even find the xserver config files..[20:45:55] <trichobezoar> They dont exist by default. Put them in /etc/X11[20:45:58] <joshcarter> can't help you on x, my first post-install step on solaris is "svcadm disable gdm" ;)[20:45:59] *** mib_et4fd0 has quit IRC[20:46:01] *** houst0n_ has joined #opensolaris[20:46:33] *** Leal has joined #opensolaris[20:46:36] <blaxx_> command line is fine but i want x, too[20:46:40] <Leal> Hello all...[20:47:04] <joshcarter> re[20:47:12] <blaxx_> so the xserver uses vesa by default, right?[20:47:24] *** cravil has quit IRC[20:49:04] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[20:50:09] <gnut> sxce 110 is available[20:50:26] <gnut> topic needs to be updated[20:50:41] *** chowmeined has joined #opensolaris[20:50:49] <chowmeined> is there a package for squid 3.1 available?[20:51:18] <sactodav1> <blaxx_> me too[20:51:21] <gnut> has anyone here installed octave and packages on solaris?[20:51:26] <joshcarter> check pkg.opensolaris.org[20:51:41] <sactodav1> <blaxx_> it config on startup[20:51:56] <chowmeined> i only see squid 2.6[20:52:42] *** stanojr_ has quit 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<jbk> why are you using crle in the first place[21:06:15] <e^ipi> congrats, you found out why everyone says "don't fuck with crle"[21:06:33] <jbk> link properly or use elfedit :)[21:06:58] <jbit> jbk: well i have my reasons ;P[21:07:10] <jbit> e^ipi: and yes, i know ;P[21:07:29] <jbit> actually it seems i need a way to become root without shared libraries[21:07:34] <jbk> generally use of LD_LIBRARY_PATH or crle shoudl be considered a bug[21:07:35] <jbit> su.static doesnt seem to actually be static[21:07:52] <jbk> jbit: what distro?[21:08:02] <jbit> jbk: if that was hte biggest bug in this software id be happy[21:08:07] <jbit> jbk: opensolaris dev[21:08:30] <CosmicDJ> there are no static bins anymore in solaris...[21:08:41] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[21:08:57] <e^ipi> jbit: nothing in the system is static linked[21:08:57] <jbk> you could try to boot to a previous BE, mount the current one, and fix the config file in /var whose name escapes me[21:09:11] <jbit> jbk: yeah i know how to do that ;P[21:09:18] <jbit> but not rebooting would be nice[21:09:21] <jbit> [jbit@miku]~$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/lib su[21:09:21] <jbit> ld.so.1: su: fatal: libc.so.1: open failed: No such file or directory[21:09:28] <jbit> i was hoping that might work, but aparently not[21:09:31] <flyingparchment> su is setuid, it ignores LD_LIBRARY_PATH[21:09:42] <jbit> ah[21:09:51] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[21:09:52] <jbit> guess reboot it is then....[21:09:54] <jbk> apparently you also changed the secure path?[21:09:55] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[21:10:01] <jbit> nope secure path is default[21:10:25] <flyingparchment> too bad you're not running a system old enough to have the LD_AUDIT vulnerability ;)[21:11:33] <jbit> its annoying because crle runs, but im not root so its useless[21:11:42] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[21:11:48] *** [JT] has quit IRC[21:11:53] <flyingparchment> didn't you think leaving a root shell open while you tested it was a good idea?[21:12:12] <jbit> i ran crle using pfexec ;-/[21:12:32] <jbit> and yes i'm aware how many mistakes i made, just curious if anybody had a solution[21:12:37] <jbit> ;P[21:12:45] <CosmicDJ> sure, never run crle again ;)[21:12:53] <jbit> CosmicDJ: hehe[21:13:18] <flyingparchment> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/sbin ssh -n root@localhost /bin/crle ...[21:13:33] <jbit> my ssh doesnt allow root of course[21:14:14] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris[21:14:16] *** TechSalvager has quit IRC[21:14:28] * jbit just reboots[21:14:30] <jbit> thanks anyway[21:14:31] <gnut> CosmicDJ: that's not a solution. that's just advice.[21:14:36] *** bgupta has quit IRC[21:14:42] *** sniffy has quit IRC[21:15:04] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[21:15:21] <jbit> hrm..... rebooting is easier said than done when you dont have physical access to the box... nice[21:15:27] *** geppy has joined #opensolaris[21:15:27] *** inaddy has quit IRC[21:15:28] <jbit> ;P[21:15:34] <flyingparchment> use the LOM[21:15:45] <jbit> LOM?[21:15:57] <seanmcg> ILOM[21:15:59] <flyingparchment> the service processor, so you can reboot it remotely[21:16:00] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[21:16:01] <chowmeined> LOMLOM[21:16:07] <jbit> yeah... i dont have that ;P[21:16:11] <flyingparchment> (no one would buy a server without that, right?)[21:16:18] <jbit> well its not colocated[21:16:43] <jbit> its in the building but just in a different room, which i have a feeling is locked[21:17:02] <geppy> I have a small root drive and a large RAIDZ for my user data. Updating and installing new packages requires lots of space. How much of the base system can I move over to the RAIDZ? My google searches indicate that putting /usr on a RAIDZ is not possible, and my manual testing agrees.[21:17:15] * jbit sighs and remembers not to touch commands again[21:17:27] *** alanc changes topic to "OpenSolaris Annual Meeting is on #opensolaris-meeting | SXCE 110, ON 110, IPS 109 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://www.pastealacon.com/"[21:17:38] <jbk> jbit: are you familiar with elfedit?[21:17:48] <jbit> jbk: yes[21:17:59] <syd`> sxce 110 out? Great :)[21:18:07] <flyingparchment> jbit: btw, the correct solution to the problem you're trying to solve with crle, is you should build your programs with -R/what/ever/lib[21:18:08] * syd` looking for the changelog[21:18:14] <jbit> flyingparchment: i know[21:18:35] <jbit> but its a suite of programs which checksum themselves so i cant use elfedit[21:18:38] <jbit> and i dont have source access[21:18:49] <jbit> and i dont really want to h4x0r them so the checksum doesnt work[21:18:59] <jbk> where are the checksums stored?[21:19:05] <jbit> so crle seemed like the best solution until i can slap somebody to rebuild[21:19:22] <jbit> jbk: as i said, i didnt have the drive to go looking[21:20:38] * jbit goes upstairs to reboot and fix0r[21:20:40] <jbit> thanks anyway ;P[21:22:09] *** [JT] has quit IRC[21:22:16] <geppy> What from /usr is required to boot to a point that is capable of mounting RAIDZ?[21:22:17] *** ken has quit IRC[21:22:55] <geppy> Also, why is so much crap in /usr instead of /opt?[21:22:56] *** sniffy has joined #opensolaris[21:23:34] <CosmicDJ> because someone smart decided so[21:24:26] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[21:24:55] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris[21:24:55] <gnut> can't wait for sxce 111 so my fonts will work again[21:24:58] <flyingparchment> /opt is for third-party software[21:25:06] <SYS64738> hi[21:25:56] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[21:26:24] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[21:27:28] *** geppy has quit IRC[21:27:49] *** geppy has joined #opensolaris[21:28:08] <geppy> Are there any particular parts of /usr that are required for startup?[21:28:49] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[21:28:57] <geppy> That is, that are required _before_ RAIDZ filesystems would be mounted?[21:29:15] <geppy> Or, more accurately, that arent required until _after_.[21:29:29] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[21:29:29] <flyingparchment> what are you using, like a 4GB root disk?[21:29:57] <geppy> 10GB partition, the installer said the install would be 2.6GB and that 8GB was recommended.[21:30:17] <geppy> I used 10GB and updated. COW filesystem, wouldnt boot.[21:31:22] <gnut> will N-Trig's touch screen work with sxce?[21:31:31] <geppy> However, I have 4.1TB in my RAIDZ array. Would be nice if non-essential system files could reside there.[21:32:06] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[21:32:34] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[21:33:43] <jbit> yay fixed <3 ZFS ;P[21:34:16] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[21:34:26] <gkl> hey, uhh[21:34:57] <gkl> I've been getting emails on my main user account (on an opensolaris machine) that is saying mail is undeliverable[21:35:03] <gkl> it's trying to send email to ut-f90 at Sun dot COM[21:35:10] <gkl> can anyone tell me wtf that is about?[21:35:16] <CosmicDJ> gkl: you're using sunstudio express?[21:35:26] <gkl> yeah[21:35:30] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:35:32] <gkl> is it trying to phone home with usage data?[21:35:34] <seanmcg> ut == user tracking.[21:35:50] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[21:35:50] <gkl> how can I turn that off?[21:35:51] <seanmcg> sends home the options you use, nothing else though.[21:35:54] <seanmcg> can be turned off[21:36:18] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:36:31] <seanmcg> unset UT_NO_USAGE_TRACKING[21:36:36] <e^ipi> UT_NO_USAGE_TRACKING="1"; export UT_NO_USAGE_TRACKING[21:36:45] <e^ipi> you need to set it, not unset it[21:36:45] <gkl> that's brilliant[21:36:47] <gkl> and a big relief[21:36:49] <gkl> thank you very much[21:37:02] <gkl> I was concerned[21:37:21] <seanmcg> yup, thanks e^ipi, was reading my script incorrectly..[21:38:16] *** blaxx_ has quit IRC[21:39:33] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[21:40:23] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[21:40:44] *** jfisc has quit IRC[21:40:55] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:43:26] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[21:44:42] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[21:45:51] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[21:50:37] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[21:50:51] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[21:51:03] *** geppy has left #opensolaris[21:52:01] *** yippi_ has joined #opensolaris[21:52:14] *** revlo has joined #opensolaris[21:54:27] <gkl> is sharemgr a new component to solaris?[21:54:36] <trygvis> yep[21:54:46] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[21:55:34] <gkl> I notice that it defaults to setting new groups as both smb and nfs[21:55:41] <gkl> however, I'm not sure I even have samba installed[21:55:56] <gkl> I guess I do[21:56:01] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[21:56:43] <seanmcg> its not samba[21:56:47] <e^ipi> we have an in-kernel CIFS server[21:56:48] <flyingparchment> it's probably using the cifs server, not samba[21:56:51] <seanmcg> its the in-kernerl CIFS service[21:56:54] <gkl> hmm[21:57:05] <gkl> what would that show up as in svcs?[21:57:13] <e^ipi> smb/server[21:57:20] <gkl> but that's CIFS? okay[21:57:34] <gkl> because I have smb/server enabled[21:57:40] <gkl> I didn't realize I did[21:57:41] <e^ipi> cifs = common internet file sharing = server message block = smb[21:57:51] <e^ipi> they're equivalent terms[21:57:52] <gkl> ah[21:57:53] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[21:57:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[21:58:08] <flyingparchment> although cifs is the 'newer' term[21:58:58] <gkl> thanks for the clarification[21:59:04] <gkl> rather confusing[21:59:05] *** ken has quit IRC[21:59:23] <trichobezoar> whenever i see cifs i think 'complicated' as in 'cisc'[21:59:48] <CIA-33> Jonathan Cowper-Andrewes <Jonathan.Ca at Sun dot COM>: 6802265 massage_control_data() does not check for H<hostname>[21:59:53] <e^ipi> complex[21:59:57] <e^ipi> not 'complicated'[21:59:57] <trichobezoar> err[22:00:20] *** bbartek has quit IRC[22:00:33] <flyingparchment> complicated instruction set is a good description of x86, though[22:00:56] <e^ipi> 'convoluted' is better still[22:01:08] *** yippi has quit IRC[22:01:56] <e^ipi> the SPARC dev. reference book takes up an inch and a half. the x86 reference is 6 books, and take up an entire 2 foot shelf[22:02:11] *** coldsun has joined #opensolaris[22:02:16] *** coldsun has left #opensolaris[22:02:24] <e^ipi> but they send them to you for free, so that's cool[22:02:32] <trichobezoar> who is they?[22:02:35] <e^ipi> intel[22:02:49] <trichobezoar> Kinda like the free SX[CD]E CDVDs?[22:03:09] <flyingparchment> except that it's a book, not a cd, and it's a processor, not an operating system...[22:03:11] <e^ipi> except instead of an envelope, you get fedex with a fairly large package[22:03:35] <trichobezoar> Nice. If I never need kindling...[22:04:13] *** cwebber has quit IRC[22:05:06] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[22:05:58] *** Chipdancer_ has joined #opensolaris[22:07:00] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[22:07:41] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[22:08:02] *** cwebber has quit IRC[22:09:10] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[22:09:17] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[22:09:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[22:10:01] <gkl> okay, another goofy question[22:10:14] <gkl> solaris 10 (and opensolaris) has no official support for SunPCI software[22:10:42] *** dguitar has quit IRC[22:10:59] <gkl> I don't know if there really is an answer, but are sunpci cards just going to the wayside with the general shift to x86?[22:11:32] <gkl> sunpcis are not fully functional in sxce[22:11:41] <gkl> and I'm just wondering if they're going to lose more and more functionality[22:11:47] <seanmcg> xvm, vbox...[22:12:03] <gkl> vbox only works on x86 though[22:14:08] *** samuelig has quit IRC[22:14:44] <revlo> you know whether there will be an update 200811->200904 without the need for reinstalling[22:15:14] <sstallion_work> gkl: I didnt realize people still used SunPCI devices[22:16:11] <e^ipi> revlo: yes, same as ever[22:16:14] <e^ipi> image-update[22:16:17] <seanmcg> revlo, its 200906 and pkg image-update should all you have to do.[22:16:32] <revlo> seanmcg: oh oh and thx[22:18:08] *** cemerick has quit IRC[22:19:00] *** blaxx_ has joined #opensolaris[22:19:37] <blaxx_> is the lifewithsolaris repository down atm?[22:20:11] <xRaich[o]2x> lws is dead[22:20:29] <blaxx_> forever?[22:20:56] <xRaich[o]2x> no lifesign in the last few months.[22:21:13] <blaxx_> cool.. :) any other place where i can get a dvd player?[22:21:39] *** capaz has quit IRC[22:22:28] <sstallion_work> blaxx_: SFE does a fairly decent job. The VLC build takes a little effort, but it works well.[22:23:14] *** ericjray has quit IRC[22:24:06] <tomww> sstallion_work: I'm looking into that right now (prerequisites, and one header filepath)[22:24:27] <tomww> SFEmplayer actually should work out of the box[22:24:30] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[22:24:33] <estibi> e^ipi: intel x86 refs for free?[22:24:38] <sstallion_work> tomww: I havent built it for a few months, but it mostly just requires futzing with a few spec-files[22:24:52] <sstallion_work> I wish there were binary builds of SFE packages available for snarfing :/[22:24:53] <tomww> which one? mplayer or vlc?[22:24:56] <sstallion_work> tomww: vlc[22:25:03] <sstallion_work> mplayer is showing its age ;)[22:25:21] <tomww> yes, but I think shortly they will be resolved[22:25:34] <tomww> mplayer works well, and compiles perfectly with SFE atm[22:25:55] *** alexus has joined #opensolaris[22:26:15] *** Chipdancer_ has quit IRC[22:28:37] <blaxx_> tnx[22:32:17] *** joshcarter has quit IRC[22:32:30] *** joshcarter has joined #opensolaris[22:32:36] *** blaxx_ has quit IRC[22:34:39] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[22:35:07] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[22:35:14] *** sartek has quit IRC[22:35:42] *** asarch has quit IRC[22:36:04] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris[22:37:59] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[22:38:41] *** alexus has quit IRC[22:39:01] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[22:40:31] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris[22:40:35] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[22:41:24] *** bizkut has quit IRC[22:41:38] *** axisys has quit IRC[22:42:11] <e^ipi> estibi: yes[22:44:30] *** jgracin has quit IRC[22:44:49] *** proberts has quit IRC[22:45:34] *** blaxx_ has joined #opensolaris[22:46:06] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:46:16] *** geppy has joined #opensolaris[22:46:24] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: vlc builds fine. it just requires a lot :P[22:46:31] *** nitrile has quit IRC[22:46:33] <geppy> Where can I find the prsinfo package for opensolaris?[22:46:49] <blaxx_> i didnt get how to do it..[22:46:52] <geppy> I mean, the package that contains `prsinfo`.[22:46:56] <flyingparchment> you mean psrinfo[22:46:59] <jbk> you mean psrinfo?[22:47:07] <geppy> Apparently I do![22:47:11] <flyingparchment> psrinfo is in SUNWcsu, you can't not have it install[22:47:17] <blaxx_> what is SFE? Repository? Building tool?[22:47:31] <flyingparchment> spec-files-extra is a repository of spec files for pkgbuild[22:47:36] <geppy> Thanks.[22:47:39] *** shuman_ has quit IRC[22:48:03] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[22:48:20] <blaxx_> if flyingparchment a bot? (sry if you are not)[22:48:30] <flyingparchment> flyingparchment is a bot[22:48:31] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[22:48:35] <geppy> haha[22:48:40] <gretel> hi[22:48:53] * lewellyn needs to be a bot[22:49:39] * jbk hands off the torch of 'walking man page' to flyingparchment[22:49:40] <jbk> :)[22:49:45] *** syamajala has quit IRC[22:49:51] <gretel> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/03/report-ibm-eyes-sun.ars[22:49:59] *** estibi has quit IRC[22:52:45] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[22:53:54] *** alfism has quit IRC[22:54:31] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[22:54:35] <CosmicDJ> still nothing more than rumors...[22:55:21] <jbk> hopefully unfounded ones[22:56:09] <gnut> why hopefully?[22:56:11] <lewellyn> still no covincing reasoning[22:56:25] <gnut> will ibm destroy solaris?[22:56:44] <lewellyn> gnut: because there's no sun tech that would be all that interesting to ibm?[22:56:56] *** geppy has left #opensolaris[22:57:24] <gnut> they say sun is soliciting buyers. who would sun consider a good buyer?[22:57:36] <lewellyn> you can surely expect solaris to get the same treatment os/2 and pc-dos got for their last years[22:57:40] <gnut> who would want sun's tech besides sun themselves?[22:57:45] <joshcarter> I'm pretty sure the IBM offer is a lot more than rumor at this point.[22:57:53] <sickness> lewellyn: :([22:58:07] <lewellyn> who says sun isn't trying to just sell off the pieces that don't fit into their long-term strategy any longer?[22:58:16] <sickness> I just hope they won't kill solaris/opensolaris :'[22:58:19] <tsoome> gnut without sun linux people have nowhere to steal ideas from....[22:58:28] <gnut> like the hardware? and keep the software/services?[22:58:33] <lewellyn> tsoome: aix![22:58:41] <lewellyn> gnut: they don't need the hardware[22:58:42] <tsoome> yeah...[22:58:53] *** fftb has quit IRC[22:58:56] <gnut> tsoome: that's true. unfortunately, linux people may not realize that[22:59:02] <joshcarter> IBM would be crazy to outright kill solaris, however they may GPL it and start moving functionality (ZFS, etc) into Linux.[22:59:03] <tsoome> they do[22:59:43] <tsoome> joshcarter: thats called killing.[22:59:44] <joshcarter> just my opinion, of course.[22:59:54] *** GNUix has quit IRC[23:00:00] <joshcarter> no, that's not killing, that's scavenging. ;)[23:00:17] <gnut> the thing about solaris besides the tech, is like freebsd, it's thought out, instead of being a hodge podge of hackers[23:00:56] <joshcarter> gnut: I would agree with that.[23:01:02] <gnut> if ibm buys sun, scavenges, will they still pay for continued solaris development?[23:01:06] <joshcarter> I think anyone that's monkeyed with the linux codebase would agree.[23:01:38] <lewellyn> not to sound like a broken reord, but ibm has equivs of all the "interesting" sun tech, they aren't going to buy sun to kill it as they target different markets and don't really compete, the shareholders will have a fit if they spend at least half their on-hand liquidity for something of questionable value while potentially incurring debt, and ibm is about in the same financial boat as sun; they're just bigger and it's harder to see.[23:02:02] <joshcarter> however, anyone that's fought with Solaris build and packaging might welcome the opportunity to use linux. (Coming from someone fighting with building opensolaris right now.)[23:02:06] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[23:02:32] <codestr0m> joshcarter: you have no idea how much I fought and conquered this exact problem[23:02:48] <joshcarter> heh.[23:03:03] <joshcarter> codestr0m: you looking for a job?[23:03:07] <codestr0m> you just posted on the list about broken SSX? I've seen that thread pop up a few times[23:03:08] <lewellyn> but name ONE tech of sun's that would interest ibm shareholders. i dare you :)[23:03:13] <codestr0m> joshcarter: pm me[23:03:33] *** cypromis has quit IRC[23:03:36] <lewellyn> openoffice? ;)[23:03:50] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[23:04:33] <gretel> well, anyway[23:04:39] <gnut> finally... I can edit and send back ppt presentations and my managers don't come back telling me to use a windows machine![23:04:52] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[23:04:59] <gretel> if ibm buys sun, i don't think this will change anything regarding the license of solaris or opensolaris[23:05:13] <lewellyn> gretel: they can't retroactively change it[23:05:14] <gretel> there is no opensource os/2 for good reason[23:05:26] *** koan has quit IRC[23:05:26] <lewellyn> gretel: um. yeah. like all the non-ibm code[23:05:34] <gretel> exaxctly[23:05:41] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[23:05:57] <gretel> funny to write a world like exactly wrong[23:06:08] <CIA-33> Venugopal Iyer <Venu.Iyer at Sun dot COM>: 6794884 mac_rx_deliver() should use MCIS_STRIP_DISABLE instead of TAG_DISABLE[23:06:08] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[23:06:08] <lewellyn> i doubt ibm even knows what's theirs anymore in os/2[23:06:30] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[23:07:21] <jbk> doesn't IBM have around 36 billion in debt of customer financing?[23:07:40] <gretel> so they shall give as the sources os/2[23:07:48] <gretel> us, even, doh[23:07:49] <jbk> that type of debt is dragging GE down right now[23:08:03] <flyingparchment> i wonder if IBM even has the OS/2 source anymore[23:08:09] <jbk> i can't imagine that IBM somehow is smarter about who it finances[23:08:16] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[23:08:51] *** lesterc has quit IRC[23:08:51] <jbk> which to me suggests IBM's going to have it's own issues here as time goes on[23:09:01] <jbk> just a personal opinion[23:09:45] <tsoome> tbh - like they all do[23:10:04] *** blaxx_ has quit IRC[23:10:12] *** koan has quit IRC[23:10:20] <gretel> open source of os/2 is like saving nortel[23:10:33] <gretel> fear, doubt and uncertainty[23:10:34] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[23:10:37] <gkl> hello[23:11:00] <gkl> this is a bit belated, but I use my sunpci quite often[23:11:06] <gretel> "the chinese might find a backdoor in the voip stack"[23:11:07] <LouisJB> seems to me there's much more innovation and openness with Sun than IBM, what do they even do these days exactly?[23:11:31] <gkl> ibm innovates quite a lot[23:11:32] <gretel> LouisJB: well, eclipse[23:12:00] <LouisJB> eclipse was innovative, not really any more, it's quite slow moving really[23:12:12] <LouisJB> maybe several years ago[23:12:37] <gkl> there's a lot more to ibm than making computers[23:13:22] <LouisJB> they have an EE platform and they sell a lot of services, but what do they really innovate these days exactly?[23:13:40] <gkl> they do a ton of research in basic science (my field)[23:13:52] <gkl> stuff that will appear in hardware products ten years down the road[23:14:04] <CosmicDJ> IIRC zfs's arc is (indirectly) from IBM research[23:14:09] <seanmcg> ibm are still the larest 'producer' of patents.[23:14:18] <gretel> http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research.nsf/pages/d.compsci.innovation_matters_index_2008.html[23:14:32] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[23:14:37] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[23:14:38] <gretel> http://www.zurich.ibm.com/index.html[23:15:45] <scoffin> wow, Windows7 includes an NFS client :-)[23:15:52] <gkl> of course they're also building blue genes[23:16:10] <tsoome> ibm does quite lot of research, noone can denay that:)[23:16:16] <tsoome> deny*[23:16:51] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:16:59] <Kvsh-> hey that reminds me, i heard when using webdav you can't copy+paste direcotories? is that true? you can only copy files and create dirs and then copy files into it?[23:17:00] <LouisJB> true, and it seems they innovate a lot in the hardware world, just wondering what they innovate in the software world too[23:19:59] <gkl> I think ibm's software innovations are rather vacuous[23:20:02] *** asarch has quit IRC[23:20:11] <gkl> in that I am not sure I know of any[23:20:17] <LouisJB> maybe from that perspective they'd be a good compliment, but part of me thinks it can't be a good thing for Sun's innovative products or Open software in general[23:20:55] *** revlo has quit IRC[23:23:45] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[23:24:02] *** gnut has quit IRC[23:26:33] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[23:26:59] *** donald has quit IRC[23:28:23] <lewellyn> flyingparchment: yes, ibm has os/2 source still. they apparently still patch it for users with support agreements still, who haven't moved to eCS[23:28:58] <lewellyn> (and personally, i'm waiting for eCS to mature/stabilize)[23:31:45] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[23:31:53] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris[23:32:07] *** taltamir has quit IRC[23:32:11] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[23:32:21] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[23:37:18] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[23:39:08] *** Odin- has quit IRC[23:39:45] *** aksyn has joined #opensolaris[23:40:05] *** koan has quit IRC[23:40:12] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[23:40:25] <gretel> lewellyn: what to do with eCS[23:40:40] *** colyte has joined #opensolaris[23:41:25] <gretel> flyingparchment: afair some russian hackers are "releasing" modified boot loaders and kernels based on leaked sources of os/2[23:42:17] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[23:44:02] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[23:45:49] *** joshcarter has quit IRC[23:46:53] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[23:48:33] <lewellyn> gretel: it's pointed to as a migration path all over ibm's site (less now than a few years ago), especially on DeveloperWorks[23:48:53] <lewellyn> gretel: if it's "released" from leaked sources, you wouldn't see ibm advocating it[23:48:55] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[23:49:41] <lewellyn> i seem to recall that before they stopped official support of os/2, an ecs license entitled you to software choice.[23:50:54] *** rv- has quit IRC[23:51:00] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[23:51:25] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:54:34] <gkl> in /etc/auto_master, what is the significance of the +auto_master line?[23:54:55] <trichobezoar> that's for nis[23:54:57] <trichobezoar> or ldap[23:54:58] <nachox> evening guys[23:55:00] <gkl> ahhhh[23:55:12] <gkl> that sounds familiar[23:55:23] <gkl> so if I'm not running nis or anything like that, I don't need to worry about it?[23:55:37] <lewellyn> leave it, just in case :)[23:55:54] <gkl> oh I will[23:55:56] <lewellyn> i think it is required for any name services to be used[23:55:57] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[23:56:07] <nachox> unless you have compat in nsswitch i think it doesnt have any effect[23:56:07] <lewellyn> but i may be wrong ;)[23:56:20] <gkl> I am just setting up new automounter files and wondered if I needed to include something similar[23:56:24] <gkl> thank you very much for the help[23:58:06] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC[23:58:24] <lewellyn> gretel: aha. that's right. ecs was the second try. stardock tried getting rights to release it, first. but ibm didn't like that agreement[23:59:27] <gretel> well, ftp://os2.ru/[23:59:45] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris