March 18, 2009 
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March 18, 2009 [00:01:16] <_setuid_H> what is the fucki*g behavior of vim in b109[00:01:39] <_setuid_H> it rewrites me almost all the characters in php/html[00:01:53] <_setuid_H> never happened to me before[00:02:34] <_setuid_H> I'm unable to write even simple url[00:06:14] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[00:06:16] <_setuid_H> seems like refresh(); fails[00:06:30] <_setuid_H> or what is the function in ncurses[00:07:17] *** yarihm has quit IRC[00:08:15] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[00:08:25] <tsoome> use vi:P[00:08:43] <_setuid_H> :-)[00:08:53] <_setuid_H> tsoome: seems like a good idea[00:09:12] <_setuid_H> I haven't vi in SAMP zone. Good change :-)[00:09:23] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:10:16] <_setuid_H> tsoome: nice downloading when client is on the same machine as the mirror :-)[00:10:28] <tsoome> :D[00:10:48] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[00:16:32] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[00:16:58] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[00:17:07] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[00:18:01] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[00:18:12] *** jfisc has quit IRC[00:19:33] *** javatexan has quit IRC[00:20:09] <eklof> Any news on the next release? Will it be in April ?[00:20:15] *** tamr has quit IRC[00:20:18] *** Tomservo- has joined #opensolaris[00:20:49] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[00:21:50] *** javatexan has quit IRC[00:22:01] <CosmicDJ> eklof: 2009.06[00:22:18] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[00:22:36] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[00:22:46] <eklof> Oh I see. Heard some rumour they were to change to 2009.4, but now it's June insted ok.[00:22:57] <eklof> Looking forward to it :)[00:23:10] <CosmicDJ> some say it might happen in may...[00:23:14] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[00:23:50] <aghaster> any idea if SPARC support is going to be included in the next release?[00:24:05] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[00:24:36] <CosmicDJ> the recent development builds have it already[00:24:48] <CosmicDJ> (recent = a month or so)[00:24:53] <gkl> for indiana?[00:25:03] <aghaster> where can I get those builds[00:25:06] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[00:25:07] *** mboyer has joined #opensolaris[00:25:20] <aghaster> or watch closely the new stuff that gets added[00:25:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta[00:26:00] <CosmicDJ> aghaster: http://www.genunix.org/ "osol-0906-109-ai-sparc.iso"[00:26:57] *** bbarker is now known as bbarker|afk[00:27:08] <CosmicDJ> aghaster: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=96985&tstart=0[00:28:59] <CosmicDJ> aghaster: changelogs are @ http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b109/ for 109[00:29:26] <CosmicDJ> the indiana specific changes can be found in the opensolaris-announce forum[00:29:36] <aghaster> hum... looking at it now[00:29:56] <aghaster> I've heard it would not support the UltraSPARC II, trying to find it[00:30:06] <CosmicDJ> gkl: yes for indy[00:30:06] *** ericjray has quit IRC[00:30:14] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[00:31:11] <gkl> oh that's excellent[00:31:18] <gkl> I've been waiting to try indiana[00:31:38] <CosmicDJ> on what hardware?[00:31:53] <gkl> all I have are sparcs[00:32:01] <CosmicDJ> which ones?[00:32:03] <gkl> ultrasparc ii, iie, IIi, and iii[00:32:06] <gkl> and IIIi[00:32:10] <gkl> I guess caps matter[00:32:21] *** servo-- has quit IRC[00:32:21] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[00:32:25] <gkl> I've been using SXCE[00:32:47] <CosmicDJ> hm I don't think you can install opensolaris on your II/II? boxen[00:32:56] <gkl> that's just as well[00:33:07] <gkl> my enterprise 4500 is not operating right now[00:33:25] <gkl> I'd probably want to try it on my blade 1000's which are III[00:33:28] <CosmicDJ> gkl: from http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=96985&tstart=0 -> "# eeprom | grep network-boot-arguments"[00:33:30] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[00:33:57] <CosmicDJ> if you get "network-boot-arguments: data not available.", well no opensolaris for you[00:34:24] <gkl> I'm sure at least one of my guys will work[00:34:37] <gkl> I'll have to check when I get home[00:34:38] <gkl> thank you[00:34:58] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris[00:35:27] *** revlo_ has joined #opensolaris[00:36:59] <slowhog> hi, is there a way to prevent a command return non-zero in a script don't quit when script is run with sh -e?[00:37:19] <gretel> ZFS and FMA - Two great tastes .....[00:37:19] <gretel> http://blogs.sun.com/bobn/date/20080218[00:37:22] <gretel> nice read[00:37:24] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[00:38:47] <CosmicDJ> slowhog: yes, don't run your script with '-e' ;)[00:39:07] <slowhog> unfortunately I don't have a choice[00:39:35] <slowhog> the script is launched by hudson, a continuous build application[00:40:07] <ottom> slowhog: use 'command-that-fails || true'[00:40:12] *** syamajala has quit IRC[00:40:26] <slowhog> ottom, thanks for the tip. :-)[00:40:57] <gretel> slowhog: do you run hudson on opensolaris? on glassfish?[00:41:09] <slowhog> yes[00:41:11] <aghaster> can I do an installation over the serial port with the opensolaris sparc distribution?[00:41:18] <gretel> two yes?[00:41:42] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[00:43:38] <slowhog> gretel, two yes. :-)[00:43:59] <gretel> thanks[00:44:39] *** SQlvpapir__ has joined #opensolaris[00:46:14] *** jinx099 has joined #opensolaris[00:46:31] *** revlo has quit IRC[00:46:40] <CosmicDJ> aghaster: nope[00:46:52] <CosmicDJ> aghaster: well, sort of ;)[00:47:36] <jinx099> how can i find the serial number of a sata drive in opensolaris?[00:48:31] <aghaster> because I have a Sun Fire v100[00:48:54] <CosmicDJ> aghaster: read the opensolaris.org forum link again[00:49:02] <aghaster> yeah, sorry[00:49:55] <CosmicDJ> aghaster: you need "OBP level of 4.17 or greater", I doubt the sf 100 has that[00:50:10] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[00:51:56] * lewellyn forgets the OBP level of the v100[00:52:12] * aghaster boots his Sun Fire v100 to check it out[00:52:39] <lewellyn> 4.0.18 with the latest update[00:52:46] *** dunc has quit IRC[00:53:12] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: are you sure it's "4.17" and not "4.0.17"?[00:53:25] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=96985&tstart=0[00:53:25] <aghaster> "The SPARC Automated Installer ISO for this development build is[00:53:25] <aghaster> expected to work on all sun4v-based platforms and on sun4u-based[00:53:25] <aghaster> platforms with an OBP level of 4.17 or greater. This capability can be[00:53:25] <aghaster> determined on an existing system by executing the command"[00:53:32] <aghaster> that is what is said in the announcement[00:53:47] <lewellyn> OBP 4.0.18 2002/05/23 18:22[00:54:38] <aghaster> can obp be updated?[00:54:55] <lewellyn> the latest on sun.com seems to be 4.0.18[00:55:17] <aghaster> maybe there is a typo there[00:55:22] <lewellyn> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-21-111952-03-1[00:55:38] <lewellyn> dunno. but i thought osol didn't have a text installer yet[00:56:14] <monsted> what happens if i move my opensolaris drives from one box to another and all of them change controller numbers? :)[00:56:30] <monsted> i have root on a mirrored zpool[00:57:40] *** esok has quit IRC[00:58:45] <CIA-40> Sowmini Varadhan <Sowmini.Varadhan at Sun dot COM>: 6782154 one copy of parse_output_fields() & friends is enough., 6751617 dladm show-link -s -i needs to flush stdout after each line, 6687693 dladm show-aggr -s -i 1 in nv shows the column header only once per invocation[00:59:24] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: it's not a text-mode installer, it's an automated installer ;)[00:59:54] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: ah. i've not tried installing on any of my v100s yet, so meh :)[01:01:10] *** neoxed_ has joined #OpenSolaris[01:01:51] <jinx099> how can I associate a disk device name (c7t0d0) with a physical disk?[01:02:08] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[01:03:17] *** cwebber has quit IRC[01:03:20] *** cemerick has quit IRC[01:06:10] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[01:06:21] *** revlo_ is now known as revlo[01:06:41] *** lewellyn_ has joined #opensolaris[01:06:58] <lewellyn_> yay freenode[01:07:20] *** scoffin has quit IRC[01:07:21] *** jteo has quit IRC[01:08:18] <aghaster> hum... I still can't find a way to move my ZFS partition[01:08:19] *** alfism has quit IRC[01:08:26] <aghaster> which partitioning tool can do it?[01:08:35] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[01:08:38] *** ikarius has quit IRC[01:08:39] *** lewellyn_ is now known as lewellyn[01:09:20] <lewellyn> aghaster: i dunno. i think i killed my zfs partition trying to move it :P[01:09:20] <lewellyn> it hangs at the grub prompt[01:09:39] *** alain10 has quit IRC[01:09:39] *** SQlvpapir__ has quit IRC[01:10:04] <aghaster> eh... I could delete the partition and install it again when I'm finished re-organizing my partitions[01:10:10] <aghaster> but I would hate to do that[01:10:40] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:10:55] <lewellyn> i think i'm gonna have to delete mine :([01:11:10] <lewellyn> unless someone knows some zfs data recovery techniques[01:11:13] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[01:11:41] <gretel> g'night[01:11:47] *** gretel has quit IRC[01:12:39] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris[01:13:25] *** noyb_ has quit IRC[01:13:29] <lewellyn> sxce is 110 this week, right?[01:15:19] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[01:18:01] *** prav33n has quit IRC[01:18:20] *** slowhog has quit IRC[01:18:42] *** neoxed has quit IRC[01:19:11] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[01:21:48] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[01:21:49] *** neoxed_ has quit IRC[01:22:01] *** myosound has quit IRC[01:22:12] *** bgupta has quit IRC[01:24:12] *** slax1975 has joined #opensolaris[01:24:35] *** sle_ has joined #opensolaris[01:26:17] *** Fullmoon_ has joined #opensolaris[01:29:40] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[01:30:36] *** mikefut has quit IRC[01:32:41] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[01:34:35] *** slax1975 has quit IRC[01:35:19] *** ttmrichter__ has quit IRC[01:35:32] *** victori has quit IRC[01:35:54] *** sle has quit IRC[01:38:15] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[01:38:22] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[01:38:46] *** taltamir has quit IRC[01:39:13] *** victori has quit IRC[01:39:34] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[01:40:38] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[01:43:00] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[01:43:43] *** stevel has quit IRC[01:45:23] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:46:08] *** Fullmoon_ has quit IRC[01:47:53] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[01:49:12] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[01:53:56] *** revlo has quit IRC[01:54:01] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[01:58:02] * niq blames lewellyn #just grabbed 109 last night :-([01:58:03] *** ihammers has quit IRC[02:02:03] <lewellyn> niq: i grab releases on release day :)[02:02:05] <lewellyn> but i think i borked my root pool :([02:02:07] <lewellyn> so i'll put off reinstalling if 110 is on schedule (as the ON 110 in topic indicates)[02:03:08] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[02:03:46] * niq doesn't grab them that often: images that size could easily go over my ISP's monthly download quota[02:05:23] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[02:05:44] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[02:07:23] <lewellyn> heh. i can't grab anything right now :P[02:07:25] <lewellyn> "nationwide connectivity issues", says my isp[02:07:27] <lewellyn> i'm kinda sad we aren't on a five-nines sla with that 10mbit synchronous line they keep trying to sell us :P[02:07:32] <lewellyn> i can't resolve anything that's not in local dns cache :P[02:07:48] *** niq has quit IRC[02:07:56] <trichobezoar> fix your dns[02:09:36] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: i'm getting 95% packet loss right now. my dns is fine, considering ;)[02:10:01] <jamesd_> i always run my own dns... its a lot less headache than any isp i have been connected too[02:10:05] <bda> Speakeasy?[02:10:15] <bda> Office DSL is down. Some nationwide boom. sigh.[02:10:35] <lewellyn> bda: how'd you guess? :)[02:10:44] <lewellyn> i think they use their own voice services.[02:10:57] <lewellyn> their toll free number what wholly unreachable right when i noticed[02:11:05] <bda> Because I went downstairs to do some work and they shit be busted fo real.[02:11:14] <bda> Yeah, it took me a few tries to get through to the "we're hosed" message.[02:12:11] <lewellyn> this irc client is my only thing that is staying online :)[02:12:11] <lewellyn> good thing i don't need to do any end-of-day email or anything :P[02:12:31] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[02:12:32] <trichobezoar> email is persistent[02:12:35] <lewellyn> http://speakeasy.net/systemstatus didn't want to load on my phone, either[02:13:00] <bda> trichobezoar: Customer patience for email delivered in a timely fashion is not.[02:13:05] * bda works at an ESP.[02:13:13] <bda> lewellyn: Loads from Comcast. :)[02:13:21] * trichobezoar was thinking at the wrong side of that.[02:13:27] <trichobezoar> bda: thanks for that perspective[02:13:40] <bda> "Speakeasy is aware of a network issue affecting connectivity nation wide. We are investigating this issue and appreciate your patience."[02:14:57] <jamesd_> its too bad that there accounting and autenication server is based on a xp box with a single psu and a quad core intel processor and a single sata drive...[02:15:47] <bda> :)[02:15:48] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: my time dealing with it ought not be[02:15:54] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[02:16:13] <bda> Brian has the magical spkez that works.[02:17:54] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[02:20:36] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[02:21:34] *** jinx099 has quit IRC[02:23:53] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[02:24:10] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris[02:24:32] <lewellyn> bda: it didn't load right away on my phone. i bet people were running around like chickens with their heads cut off :)[02:24:32] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[02:24:41] *** slowhog has quit IRC[02:24:50] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[02:25:15] <lewellyn> bda: speakeasy looks to be back, here[02:25:36] <bda> Not here.[02:25:45] <bda> meh.[02:26:08] <lewellyn> hm. for some values of "back" :([02:28:39] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[02:29:04] *** comay has quit IRC[02:29:38] *** hugohagogo is now known as hugohagogo_nober[02:29:47] *** hugohagogo_nober is now known as hugohagogo_ber[02:30:22] *** hugohagogo_ber is now known as hugohagogo_afk[02:33:09] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[02:33:43] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[02:36:06] *** bgupta has quit IRC[02:40:59] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[02:41:32] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[02:43:29] *** bs66_1 has quit IRC[02:44:00] *** bs66_ has joined #opensolaris[02:45:52] *** piwi has quit IRC[02:46:00] *** bbarker|afk is now known as bbarker[02:47:09] *** twisti has quit IRC[02:52:28] *** jfisc has quit IRC[02:54:03] *** kim0 has quit IRC[03:00:04] *** Chipdancer_ has quit IRC[03:00:30] *** bgupta has quit IRC[03:01:00] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[03:03:09] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[03:04:27] *** ericjray has quit IRC[03:05:55] *** hugohagogo_afk has quit IRC[03:10:48] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[03:11:09] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[03:11:11] *** Disorganized_ has joined #OpenSolaris[03:17:14] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris[03:20:00] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[03:22:26] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[03:28:32] *** bgupta has quit IRC[03:30:31] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[03:31:06] *** jsoftw has joined #opensolaris[03:31:10] *** joanie1 has joined #opensolaris[03:31:18] *** joanie1 is now known as joanmarie[03:31:21] <jsoftw> route add default 10.240.1.254 gives network unreachable.[03:31:25] <jsoftw> Ive a nic on 10.240.1.100[03:31:41] <jsoftw> why would that be?[03:33:23] <lewellyn> mu[03:33:27] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[03:34:11] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[03:34:35] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[03:36:42] *** joanie has quit IRC[03:37:11] <jsoftw> :/[03:37:33] <jsoftw> damn it :/[03:37:42] <jsoftw> Why would solaris add this damn route :/[03:38:17] *** bgupta has quit IRC[03:39:48] <jsoftw> :|[03:39:49] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[03:39:56] <jsoftw> This is makeing no sence.[03:40:01] *** authentic has quit IRC[03:40:10] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[03:40:49] <jsoftw> ifconfig e1000g0 10.240.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 ; route add default 10.240.1.254: Network is unreachable.[03:41:03] <jsoftw> wtf.[03:41:08] * jsoftw slaps opensolaris[03:41:11] <jbk> is the interface up?[03:44:05] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris[03:44:10] *** aghaster has quit IRC[03:45:52] <jsoftw> It wasnt.[03:45:55] <jsoftw> :)[03:46:03] *** kevpete has joined #opensolaris[03:47:44] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[03:47:54] <jbk> is it working now?[03:52:09] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[03:54:08] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[03:54:36] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[03:55:28] *** cypromis has quit IRC[03:55:30] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[03:58:37] <CIA-40> zhigang lu - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Zhigang.Lu at Sun dot COM>: 6673333 ohci shouldn't allocate memory with DDI_DMA_SLEEP while holding interrupt mutex, 6576258 ehci shouldn't allocate memory with DDI_DMA_SLEEP while holding interrupt mutex[03:58:42] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[03:59:45] *** alain10 has quit IRC[04:03:18] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[04:10:53] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[04:25:40] <cwebber> is there a way to tell pkg to install into child zones as well[04:27:01] <oninoshiko> cwebber: it doesn't? pkgadd does...[04:28:50] <cwebber> so if I want sun studio express in a child zone i have to run pkgadd against all of the packages that are included as part of sun studio express?[04:30:15] *** ewdafa-- has joined #opensolaris[04:31:39] <oninoshiko> i dont know, it's been pointed out on multiple occasions that what I dont know about IPS could fill volumes[04:33:12] <cwebber> oninoshiko: no biggie looks like it worked better than I thought[04:37:06] *** jmatrix has quit IRC[04:38:03] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[04:39:12] *** ewdafa- has quit IRC[04:39:20] *** ewdafa-- is now known as ewdafa-[04:44:59] *** niq has quit IRC[04:46:52] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[04:46:52] *** jmatrix has joined #opensolaris[04:47:42] <gnut> has anyone gotten a tablet pc with the multitouch working? (the one with N-Trig's Duo-Sense)[04:47:58] <gnut> well, not even multitouch, but just single-touch?[04:48:09] <gnut> or do the Wacom drivers work as well?[04:57:48] <lewellyn> if it's a wacom "tablet[04:57:55] <lewellyn> ", i'd expect the wacom drivers to work[04:58:50] <gkl> when doing a serial install, is there a way to choose which type of terminal you're using without starting the process all over again?[04:58:51] <lewellyn> cwebber: with pkgadd, it installs packages into all zones unless you tell it otherwise[04:58:52] <CIA-40> Cathy Zhou <Cathy.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2008/242 Data Fast-Path for Softmac, 6649224 fast-path needed to improve legacy network interface performance after UV, 6649898 the smac_lock and smac_mutex fields in softmac_t should be given a more descriptive name, 6799767 DLD capability is not correctly updated if it is renegotiated[04:58:59] *** inaddy has quit IRC[04:59:06] <lewellyn> gkl: not easily, i don't think[04:59:11] <gkl> that's what I feared[04:59:15] <gkl> I can never figure out which one to choose[04:59:20] <lewellyn> gkl: ESC-2 doesn't work?[04:59:23] <gkl> and I always get it wrong the first two or three times[04:59:28] <gkl> esc-2 is continue[04:59:36] <lewellyn> yup ;)[04:59:44] <gkl> I want to go back and choose a new terminal[05:00:02] <lewellyn> can't you just change the terminal in your emulator/console/whatever?[05:00:14] <gkl> well I'm not sure how to do that quite honestly[05:00:23] <gkl> I use xterm and tip[05:00:36] <gkl> I choose "Sun Workstation" as my terminal type and everything goes to hell[05:01:05] <jbk> try xterms[05:01:08] <gkl> PC Console prints 25 lines rather than the standard 24 for some reason, so that's a little more useable but the options are always on the wrong line[05:01:15] <gkl> okay I will do that[05:01:17] <gkl> thanks jbk[05:01:33] <oninoshiko> my rule has always been "when it doubt, vt100"[05:01:58] <lewellyn> gkl: pc console is a 25-line ansi, iirc[05:02:13] <lewellyn> terminal emulators do best with that one[05:02:17] <gkl> hyperterm in windows uses 24[05:02:27] <lewellyn> gkl: that is quickly and easily fixed[05:02:46] *** cybertux-oz has joined #opensolaris[05:04:11] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[05:08:30] <gkl> hey, vt100 works[05:08:33] <gkl> this is most excellent[05:08:39] <gkl> thanks for the help everyone[05:09:34] <oninoshiko> 0_0 vt100 always works... you may not get some niceities of your terminal, but it will be functional... unless you got something really weird... like EBDIC[05:10:02] <gkl> I really will have to remember that[05:10:08] <gkl> the f-keys even work[05:10:14] <gkl> I consider that a niceity[05:12:38] <lewellyn> gkl: use dtterm[05:12:40] * lewellyn hides[05:13:07] <gkl> dtterm is what I tried the first time[05:13:11] <gkl> it was like a train wreck[05:16:01] <lewellyn> well, you'd have to be using dtterm for it to work, silly[05:16:16] <gkl> yeah, as it turns out, you're right[05:16:16] <lewellyn> and, sadly, word is that dtterm is going away :([05:19:08] <nachox> oninoshik1, EBDIC? :)[05:19:26] <nachox> lewellyn, if only it wasnt dead[05:19:39] <lewellyn> nachox: i like dtterm :P[05:20:05] *** sunburned has joined #opensolaris[05:20:06] <nachox> lewellyn, i dont mind gnome-terminal[05:20:21] *** bgupta__ has joined #opensolaris[05:20:22] <nachox> it kills lots of shortcuts though[05:20:32] <oninoshiko> ebcdic[05:21:12] <sunburned> hello, i[05:21:21] <lewellyn> nachox: dtterm is more scriptable, however[05:21:39] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: i had to study ebcdic conversion tables the other night :([05:21:48] <nachox> how so? it's a terminal emulator, what's scriptable about it?[05:22:01] <nachox> what would have to be scriptable about it[05:22:12] <nachox> it's mainly an interactive thing[05:22:22] * oninoshiko comforts lewellyn[05:23:29] <sunburned> hello, ive been unable to buld SFEglibmm-gpp for the last few months... it keeps getting suck on convert.cc:52 error: `g_assert` undeclared ... has anyone else had this problem?[05:23:30] *** cwebber has quit IRC[05:24:09] *** gaveen has quit IRC[05:24:57] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[05:35:59] *** bgupta has quit IRC[05:36:01] *** jsoftw has quit IRC[05:36:31] *** gnut has quit IRC[05:37:41] <sunburned> does anyone know of secret solaris ports of desmume or other ds emulators?[05:37:53] *** aghaster has joined #opensolaris[05:37:54] <e^ipi> it probably compiles[05:37:54] <aghaster> Hi[05:38:08] <aghaster> Hi can I disable the very annoying loud beeping terminal noise?[05:38:29] <sunburned> probably, I just don't have SFEglibmm-gpp, so it isn't too happy compling...[05:38:33] <aghaster> for instance I press backspace in the terminal but I'm already at the beginning of the line, it will beep very loudly, or when I get the login screen[05:38:38] <e^ipi> yes, gnome-terminal has a setting for system bell[05:38:48] <aghaster> yeah, I just disabled it[05:38:56] <aghaster> but oddly enough it still does it[05:39:04] <e^ipi> sunburned: well, there's your solution[05:39:11] <sunburned> there is aslo an option in adminstartion->sound[05:39:55] <sunburned> uhh, hopefully :)[05:40:18] <aghaster> it is in preferences, but the "Sound" tab contains grayed out elements[05:40:53] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:40:58] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[05:42:25] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[05:55:43] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[05:57:03] *** asarch has quit IRC[05:57:30] *** e1kg1 has joined #OpenSolaris[06:12:23] *** BigJeep has joined #opensolaris[06:14:16] <skullone> hrm[06:14:54] <skullone> my x4540 wont boot any longer, hangs at: opensolaris lx_systrace0 is /psuedo/ls_systrace00[06:21:46] *** aghaster has quit IRC[06:21:51] <elektronkind> skullone: that's a bummer[06:22:02] <elektronkind> maybe it's telling you it wants more disk[06:23:47] <oninoshiko> or that you should talk to SMI support...[06:29:39] <skullone> definitely a strange issue[06:30:35] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[06:45:06] *** bsdbandit has joined #opensolaris[06:45:14] *** sunburned has quit IRC[06:46:28] *** robertbb has quit IRC[06:49:10] *** [JT] has quit IRC[06:52:29] *** snowleopardcat has joined #opensolaris[06:54:04] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:58:38] <CIA-40> Judy Chen <Judy.Chen at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2009/057 prtconf PCI Vendor and Device Ids option, 6813474 Add -d option for prtconf[07:00:18] <flyingparchment> that sounds useful[07:00:41] *** PicCard_ has joined #opensolaris[07:01:10] <codestr0m> morning![07:01:25] <skullone> hrm.. looks like boot hangs right after milestone system/filesystem/usr:default[07:03:18] <snowleopardcat> Hi, been away for a while, what are some cool things coming up that are on par with dtrace or zfs?[07:04:46] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:15:18] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[07:15:46] *** PicCard has quit IRC[07:15:48] <e^ipi> comstar? crossbow?[07:16:32] *** lesterc has quit IRC[07:17:13] <snowleopardcat> what are those?[07:18:28] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:18:42] <e^ipi> i'll bet you google knows what they are[07:18:46] <snowleopardcat> comstar looks pretty cool[07:19:01] <deena> HI[07:19:06] <deena> can anyone suggest[07:19:12] <deena> i have some doubt in perl[07:19:36] * lewellyn waves towards #perl ;)[07:19:49] * lewellyn fears perl, since it's getting almost as illegible as ruby these days[07:19:53] <snowleopardcat> comstar can turn my pc into a san?[07:20:31] <elektronkind> comstar can turn your pc into a machine that can serve disk LUNs over a SAN[07:21:01] <bsdbandit> im installing the solaris expression edition right now to install comstar[07:21:10] <e^ipi> no you aren't[07:21:10] <elektronkind> over fibre channel, or FCoE, or iSCSI, or NFS and CIFS[07:21:31] <e^ipi> crossbow's pretty bitchin' too[07:21:35] <bsdbandit> why wouldnt i be[07:21:36] <bsdbandit> ?[07:21:47] <e^ipi> elektronkind: SAS as well[07:21:47] <deena> lewellyn no response from #perl[07:21:58] <e^ipi> bsdbandit: because there is no "solaris expression edition"[07:22:07] <elektronkind> oh yeah! and SAS now![07:22:28] <snowleopardcat> i just have a regular macbook, how'd i benefit from serving these so called "LUNS"?[07:22:40] <elektronkind> oh you're so pedantic, e^ipi :)[07:22:41] <bsdbandit> o im sorry[07:22:50] <bsdbandit> express edition[07:22:51] <bsdbandit> lol[07:22:52] <bsdbandit> :)[07:22:57] <bsdbandit> thats what i meant to say[07:23:46] <bsdbandit> is c a good programming lang to start learning first[07:23:46] <bsdbandit> ?[07:24:01] <bsdbandit> i have some programming experience with the ksh[07:24:09] <elektronkind> snowleopardcat: well, using comstar means having a little prerequisite knowledge of serving raw disk over a network... in terms of terminology and such[07:24:12] <snowleopardcat> so i have a mac, and then I want to have another pc with a bunch of scsi disk. I can go over ethernet or watever and access thsoe disks on the block level. Is that what comstar does?[07:24:49] <elektronkind> snowleopardcat: but one thing you can do is serve out slices from a ZFS pool over iscsi to your mac[07:24:52] <elektronkind> snowleopardcat: yes[07:24:56] <snowleopardcat> as opposed to CIFS?[07:25:06] <oninoshiko> also iscsi target for comstar is presently broken[07:25:07] <elektronkind> snowleopardcat: provided you also install a iscsi client on your mac[07:25:08] <skullone> hrm... is there a way to tell what svc:/system/filesystem/usr:default is workign on during boot?[07:25:10] <snowleopardcat> which operates on the filesystem level, correct[07:25:14] <skullone> i see crazy amounts of IO during boot[07:25:33] <skullone> went to maintanence mode, and then single user, watching system/filesystem/usr:default try to start, and its just thrashing the disks[07:26:18] <skullone> no scrub is going, no errors[07:26:22] <elektronkind> snowleopardcat: serving a block device via iscsi over your network to your mac will allow your mac to format with with HFS+, for example[07:26:23] <snowleopardcat> i have zfs on my mac and also i run virtualbox with opensolaris. I have 2 netras at home (with scsi disks) i could use this with crossbow, right?[07:26:41] <snowleopardcat> err, comstar i mean[07:26:50] <elektronkind> sure[07:27:47] <oninoshiko> presuming you have a version that works... I know the QLogic HBAs dont work with it at the moment http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do;jsessionid=bce034646e77855c57b6c4c01d49?bug_id=6815773[07:27:53] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[07:27:55] *** eklof has quit IRC[07:28:13] <oninoshiko> although FC seems to run like a top[07:28:31] <ball> Mine runs more like a clockwork mouse.[07:28:33] <elektronkind> it'll spin for a little bit, wobble, and then fall over?[07:29:42] <oninoshiko> maybe, my tests o far have been limited, I'm waiting for more FC kit ;p[07:29:58] <elektronkind> wow, I'm seeing HUGE sendfile() performance after installing the latest s10 kernel patch[07:30:00] <elektronkind> dayam[07:30:08] <elektronkind> no more random pauses[07:32:17] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[07:33:37] <skullone> were you seeing pauses similar to this CR:[07:34:03] <skullone> oh[07:34:08] <skullone> crap, cant find the CR number[07:34:52] <skullone> well, were you seeing pauses (interactive sessions hanging for 3-5 seconds) during heavy IO?[07:35:05] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[07:35:36] <elektronkind> yeah, that sounds right[07:36:08] <elektronkind> eg; half a large picture would download, pause for a second or 3, then resume[07:36:36] <snowleopardcat> elektronkind: what kind of picture?[07:37:05] <elektronkind> just large 10 and 15 megapixel pics I have in my gallery[07:37:26] <elektronkind> I have a server colo'd that's running solaris 10 and host my sites on it[07:38:25] <skullone> ah, im thinking heavy I/O, as in, hundreds of megs a second ;)[07:38:33] <elektronkind> yeah, not that heavy[07:38:40] <elektronkind> but anyway, I'm not complaining[07:39:27] *** ball has quit IRC[07:40:21] <skullone> least you can boot your system :p[07:40:35] <snowleopardcat> so solaris sputters on 15 megapixel pics? This similar to vista's copy problems?[07:40:59] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: i use an iscsi volume (shared via comstar ) for timemachine[07:41:11] <elektronkind> snowleopardcat: no, this is not like that at all[07:41:29] <snowleopardcat> e^ipi: you run os x?[07:41:47] <e^ipi> on my lappy[07:42:03] <snowleopardcat> os x and the solaris kernel should fuck. The resulting child would rule the unix world[07:42:17] *** estibi has quit IRC[07:42:55] <snowleopardcat> i mean steve already stole zfs and dtrace, he might as well take sunos and kick darwin to the curb[07:42:57] <e^ipi> evidently there were talks back in the mid 90's to build apple's new OS (later: osx ) off solaris. sun would get out of the workstation arena, and apple would get out of the server arena[07:43:12] <snowleopardcat> apple should just buy sun[07:43:23] <skullone> hrm... wtf is ZFS doing during this boot[07:43:33] <e^ipi> sun should just buy sun[07:43:47] <skullone> just loaded arcstat.pl, 100% arc miss, ~250 ops/sec[07:44:26] <snowleopardcat> sleepy time. good nite[07:44:28] *** snowleopardcat has quit IRC[07:50:03] <elektronkind> man I love zero copy[07:50:17] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[07:50:48] <elektronkind> now downloading a iso at 2Mb/s and I have zero httpd processes registering even 1/10th of 1% cpu according to prstat[07:51:24] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[07:58:49] <CIA-40> Nagakiran Rajashekar <Nagakiran.Rajashekar at Sun dot COM>: 6746290 panic[cpu0]/thread=ffffff01d1ebdc60: bcmp: arguments below kernelbase[07:58:51] <CIA-40> Rajkumar Sivaprakasam <Rajkumar.Sivaprakasam at Sun dot COM>: 6805058 Add IBT_DMA to IBTF framework to support IB Device Mgmt Agent[08:00:45] <lewellyn> some of these things are really cryptic to those of us not "in the know" :P[08:02:47] *** vishalsaraswat24 has quit IRC[08:03:35] <e^ipi> lewellyn: you can look up the bugid[08:04:51] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[08:06:49] <lewellyn> that doesn't make things less cryptic... these two weren't so bad. but some are :P[08:06:58] *** uhs has joined #opensolaris[08:09:43] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi[08:15:00] *** div111 has joined #opensolaris[08:16:08] *** sophokles has quit IRC[08:17:06] <uhs> I'm having some problems getting my sound card to work (SB X-Fi Xtreme). opensolaris seems to recognize it just fine, the drivers are installed except I'm not getting any sound. I do have another onboard audio device that doesn't have drivers installed correclty and I'm wondering if that could be causing the problem.[08:17:37] *** chrol has quit IRC[08:18:11] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:23:59] *** nitrile has quit IRC[08:24:54] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[08:28:22] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[08:35:27] <skullone> wow my system finally booted[08:35:41] <lewellyn> hallelujah ;)[08:35:58] <skullone> only took over an hour... to do whatever it was doing to the file systems[08:36:04] <e^ipi> mine boots almost every time i tried[08:36:21] <skullone> this is the first time mine hasnt booted normally[08:36:43] <fraggeln> I have only booted my once or twice :D[08:37:21] <e^ipi> i booted this machine last month some time[08:37:49] <skullone> i had a windows box die, and the sun box had a stuck iscsi connection[08:37:52] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:38:14] <skullone> other machines couldnt connect to the target, without freaking out that something else was using it[08:39:02] *** uhs has quit IRC[08:39:13] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[08:39:13] <skullone> unsure what ZFS was doing for over an hour[08:40:37] *** free has quit IRC[08:40:47] *** free has joined #opensolaris[08:41:06] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:42:24] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[08:42:56] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[08:43:12] <Randello> hi[08:43:36] *** deena has quit IRC[08:46:21] *** BigJeep has quit IRC[08:48:16] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[08:48:25] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:50:20] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[08:51:16] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris[08:51:20] <Teltariat> greets ppl[08:51:40] *** luc^ has quit IRC[08:55:09] *** ken-zZz has quit IRC[08:57:57] *** qiyong has quit IRC[08:57:58] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:58:19] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC[08:58:30] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[08:59:17] *** fftb has quit IRC[09:00:42] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:00:48] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[09:03:34] <asyd> what the fuck[09:03:35] <asyd> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123735970806267921.html[09:04:00] <asyd> "If the deal does go through, which could happen as early as this week, IBM is likely to pay at least $6.5 billion in cash to acquire Sun, the people said."[09:04:03] <asyd> :/[09:04:49] <e^ipi> wouldn't the shareholders have to agree to that?[09:05:06] <skullone> ibm buying sun[09:05:07] <skullone> huh.[09:05:23] <skullone> id bet sun would just buy back all the shares, and go private[09:05:27] <skullone> thats just as likely[09:06:30] <asyd> well, the 1st april is not today, right?[09:08:12] <DTEIT> morning[09:10:30] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[09:11:39] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:11:54] <lewellyn> wait. hostile takeover?[09:12:07] <flyingparchment> i don't think they would be in talks about a hostile takeover[09:12:08] * lewellyn pops open a tab and loads that url[09:12:25] <asyd> hmm well, anynow how many percentage of sun there are on the market?[09:12:37] <lewellyn> i don't see how most of sun's tech would benefit ibm's stable, honestly[09:12:48] <lewellyn> people complain about not enough focus on sparc as it is :P[09:13:02] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[09:13:15] <flyingparchment> it would give IBM a mass-market Unix that isn't Linux[09:13:33] <lewellyn> dude. wtf. only 2 paragraphs? with no meat to the story? lame.[09:13:59] <lewellyn> flyingparchment: and they'd let it stagnate like os/2, aix, mvs, ...[09:14:08] <asyd> "In recent months, Sun has approached a number of large tech companies in the hopes of being acquired, said people familiar with the matter."[09:14:11] <asyd> hmm..[09:14:18] <flyingparchment> AIX is stagnating? since when? i thought they just released a new version[09:14:23] <asyd> wondering if it's really true[09:15:57] <lewellyn> flyingparchment: 6.1 came out in 2007, yes. when was the last patch for it? i honestly don't know that[09:19:15] <tsoome> its so well written it doesnt need patches![09:19:17] <tsoome> :D[09:19:21] <asyd> ahah[09:19:24] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[09:19:27] <asyd> I understand, it's the 1st april.[09:19:35] <tsoome> no its not:D[09:19:40] <DerSaidin> but has any new stuff been added?[09:19:52] <_setuid_H> morning guys[09:19:55] <tsoome> hi[09:21:30] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:22:25] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[09:25:27] *** Rascal has joined #opensolaris[09:25:37] *** Randello has quit IRC[09:26:33] *** capitano__ has joined #opensolaris[09:28:48] *** qqq has joined #opensolaris[09:29:03] *** qqq has quit IRC[09:30:00] *** phimic has quit IRC[09:31:38] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[09:31:44] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[09:32:27] *** Rascal has quit IRC[09:36:17] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis[09:39:31] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[09:44:26] *** capitano__ is now known as gionloc[09:47:16] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[09:53:42] *** cypromis has quit IRC[09:53:55] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[09:54:34] *** Cybertux has quit IRC[09:55:13] *** yarihm has quit IRC[09:55:16] *** Cybertux has joined #opensolaris[09:55:37] *** cybertux-oz has quit IRC[09:56:01] *** cybertux-oz has joined #opensolaris[09:59:41] *** e1mer has quit IRC[10:00:09] *** luc^ has quit IRC[10:04:12] *** cybertux-oz has quit IRC[10:04:53] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[10:05:48] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[10:06:13] <lblume> Hi channel[10:06:54] <palowoda> This channel owned by the Beam.[10:07:02] <wbkang> Neg.[10:07:45] <palowoda> Please pay goblal server fees upfront.[10:07:53] <palowoda> global.[10:08:02] <wbkang> jeez, does it usually take near forever to do pkg image-update?[10:08:09] <e^ipi> yes[10:08:37] <wbkang> Hmm okay. I thought all two of my machines were somehow at fault[10:08:39] <palowoda> It's not that bad with at least a 6mbit connection.[10:08:50] <wbkang> My network connections are idle though.[10:09:00] <lblume> I've had the experience that the background python process had crashed, but the GUI wasn't aware of it, and never said it. That was in late 2008.05. Is it fixed now?[10:09:01] <wbkang> It's just that cpu is very very very busy[10:09:30] <wbkang> I know one thing happened today,[10:09:46] <seanmcg> lblume, did you log a bug against that ?[10:09:50] <palowoda> truss the process and enjoy the view.[10:09:50] <wbkang> the gui silently ignored "disk is full" message.. and misteriously waited...[10:09:57] <e^ipi> python powa![10:10:06] *** gionloc has quit IRC[10:10:15] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[10:10:16] <wbkang> palowoda: that's a gooooood idea, why did i not think of that[10:10:36] <lblume> palowoda: I'm only carrying renminbi.[10:10:38] <wbkang> oh nvm my computer's really really slow.. lol i'll try[10:10:42] <e^ipi> you're using the GUI?[10:10:45] <e^ipi> all bets are off then[10:10:50] <wbkang> (i'm using pkg now )[10:11:23] <lblume> seanmcg: No, at that time, pkg was so riddled with bugs, and I had no time to fiddle with it.[10:11:24] <palowoda> First truss than dtrace to narrow it down.[10:12:05] <wbkang> Wee what is all this?[10:12:15] <lblume> It seemed a rather obvious case of the application not checking available temp space anyway.[10:12:20] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[10:12:23] <wbkang> Umm since I can't copy&paste[10:12:31] <wbkang> Lots of:[10:12:57] <wbkang> open64("/usr/lib/python24.zip/sre_parse.so", some hex number) Err#2 ENOENT[10:12:59] <wbkang> or stat64[10:13:38] <palowoda> WAG it's build a cache.[10:14:17] <wbkang> yea? hmm the "bar" is not rotating though.. :P[10:14:32] <wbkang> it's throwing a bunch of stack staces as well[10:14:34] <palowoda> Wait phython24.zip?[10:14:41] <wbkang> yep[10:15:55] *** Yves_ has joined #opensolaris[10:16:00] <wbkang> I'll just see what happens next morning.. lol[10:16:20] <palowoda> I don't know that looks a little wierd for a directory.[10:16:33] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[10:18:42] *** barfoed has quit IRC[10:18:48] <wbkang> nvm! I trussed a wrong process...[10:19:43] <wbkang> yay! finally started downloading files[10:21:09] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[10:22:46] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[10:23:41] <palowoda> If it was IBM wanting to trace and debug the problem I can understand why they need to buy the talent now.[10:23:55] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[10:25:18] <jteo> we're talking about technical talent right?[10:25:48] <palowoda> Somebody has to support IBM right?[10:26:40] <e^ipi> IBM sells support[10:26:47] *** Yves_ has quit IRC[10:27:00] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[10:27:06] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: I'm ibm employee :-)[10:27:18] <palowoda> IBM buys your company than tells you how much your going to pay them for support.[10:27:30] *** silk has joined #opensolaris[10:27:47] <e^ipi> _setuid_H: not sure I follow[10:29:25] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[10:30:21] <prdelka> hey guys, anyone know how i can check the CPU type + speed and amount of RAM in an Ultra5?[10:30:46] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:30:48] <trygvis> prdelka: docs.sun.com[10:30:48] <e^ipi> psrinfo(1M)[10:30:59] <palowoda> prtdiag and prsinfo[10:31:15] <prdelka> thanks. i thought it was sysdiag.[10:31:43] <e^ipi> who uses sysdiag?[10:31:56] <palowoda> psrinfo -v sorry[10:32:00] <prdelka> no i thought the command was sysdiag :)[10:32:56] <e^ipi> i think that's hpux ?[10:33:26] <prdelka> maybe, im just wiping a bunch of hosts and getting info on how much ram is in them before ebaying[10:33:35] <e^ipi> ooh, what kind?[10:33:43] <prdelka> 2 ultra 5's a hp b1000 and an SGI o2[10:33:58] <prdelka> 2 intels and 2 cisco routers i need to look at later[10:34:12] <prdelka> any idea how to wipe the disk on an ultra5? i was hoping to dd if=/dev/random over it[10:34:15] <asyd> what kind of cisco?[10:34:21] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[10:34:21] <prdelka> c2600 c2950[10:34:22] <e^ipi> dd should work[10:34:24] * lewellyn read "crisco"[10:34:37] <lewellyn> i should sleep :([10:34:38] <asyd> nice[10:34:39] <e^ipi> though just zero it out, forget about random[10:35:00] <asyd> could be nice trying to setup ipsec tunnel between solaris and IOS, using x509 authentication[10:35:17] <prdelka> e: i went with dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0[10:35:33] <prdelka> id prefer to overwrite with random blocks instead of zero data, i think forensically though one wipe has been proved to be enough[10:35:46] <lewellyn> prdelka doesn't have tab-completion, it seems ;)[10:35:56] <e^ipi> *shrug* depends entirely on what's on it i suppose[10:36:03] <prdelka> just passwords, nothing else.[10:36:22] <prdelka> it took forever and a day to wipe 10gb on a HPUX host[10:36:38] <e^ipi> probably random number gen is slow[10:36:52] <e^ipi> entropy isn't free[10:36:56] <prdelka> haha[10:37:05] <prdelka> you should make that into a t-shirt, its catchy[10:37:28] <codestr0m> fox-gate got merged, but where did it get merged to? and where's the latest xorg stuff if anyone knows[10:37:32] <prdelka> ok well thanks for the help guys, they were ultrasparc II's 400mhz 128mb RAM in case you wonder[10:39:00] <lewellyn> prdelka: it has been on shirts before[10:39:12] <palowoda> You mean merged into a ON build?[10:39:18] <prdelka> oh i just noticed openboot also tells you ram + cpu on a clean boot[10:39:19] <lewellyn> at least i know i've seen "FREE ENTROPY" shirts worn to political rallies[10:39:28] <codestr0m> palowoda: I'm not sure how the xorg gates are setup.. I think it's x_win[10:40:18] <palowoda> But you did mean something whey you said "merged". You must have read that somewhere.[10:40:41] <_setuid_H> prdelka: may I ask you for which country are you from?[10:42:03] <prdelka> UK.[10:43:59] <prdelka> shit, df doesnt have a human readable output in solaris 8. any other way i can check size of the hard disk in a human readable form?[10:44:21] <lewellyn> use a different df and parse it? :([10:44:51] <lewellyn> /usr/ucb/df | awk, maybe?[10:45:00] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[10:45:16] <prdelka> df -k outputs in in kilobytes[10:45:24] <prdelka> 1778598, whats that?[10:45:42] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:45:47] <lewellyn> /usr/ucb/df | awk '{ print $1 " - " $5 }'[10:45:54] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[10:45:57] <seanmcg> df -h[10:46:03] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[10:46:36] <prdelka> there isnt a df -h in solaris 8 and below[10:46:47] <prdelka> theres a df -k though and it claims 1778598 kilobytes[10:46:54] <lewellyn> prdelka: what data are you trying to extract from df?[10:46:56] <prdelka> which is 17gb as a hard disk?[10:47:04] <prdelka> just the total size of the hard disk[10:47:05] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:47:15] *** Odin- has quit IRC[10:47:19] <palowoda> You come to a opensolaris list for solaris 8 answers?[10:47:29] <lewellyn> google says: 1 778 598 kilobytes = 1.69620323 gigabytes[10:47:36] <prdelka> 2gb hdd?[10:47:38] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[10:47:48] <prdelka> seems a little low, is that even possible?[10:47:49] <lewellyn> (query used was: 1778598 kilobytes in gigabytes)[10:48:07] <lewellyn> are you looking at all the slices on the disk?[10:48:22] *** jMCg has joined #OpenSolaris[10:49:08] <prdelka> ah[10:49:10] <zaarg> have i travelled back in time?[10:49:15] <zaarg> solaris 8? 2GB HDs?[10:49:17] <oenone> 2gb hdd - could be a CF disk[10:49:21] <prdelka> theres 6gb on /export/home[10:49:24] <prdelka> and 2gb on /[10:49:25] <jteo> thumb drive[10:49:31] <prdelka> so 8gb total, cheers[10:49:32] <codestr0m> palowoda: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/fox/[10:49:42] <codestr0m> there's fox-gate and fox-7-4-merge[10:49:53] <codestr0m> I can't tell what's newer. I'm looking at the commits logs and both are active[10:50:01] *** gaveen has quit IRC[10:50:03] <lewellyn> prdelka: you can find out all the disks (and often their models and more) with: echo | format[10:50:07] <codestr0m> I want the xorg-1.5 stuff which is going to be maintained or bleeding edge[10:50:39] <frankS2> codestr0m: whats new i n 1.5?[10:52:32] <palowoda> codestr0m: You think the Xorg team isn't being maintained proper?[10:52:36] *** ken has quit IRC[10:52:49] <palowoda> The Sun Xorg team that is.[10:53:19] <codestr0m> palowoda: eh? xorg support in sun is great.. I just can't figure out what's the bleeding edge patches[10:53:36] <codestr0m> I have two branches and reading commit logs to figure it out[10:53:46] <palowoda> Xorg or Sun's patches to Xorg?[10:53:49] <frankS2> xorg-server 1.5: Faster startup and shutdown, lots of code removal, EDID 1.4, Secure RPC authentication, GLX and DRI passthrough support for Xephyr, smarter autoconfiguration, pervasive and coherent XACE security framework, easier building of GL code, numerous input-related bugfixes. - "lots of code removal" "faster startup and shutdown" all this sounds good[10:54:44] <lewellyn> hm. does anyone actually use xfree86 anymore, i wonder?[10:54:46] <codestr0m> palowoda: sun's patches to xorg which can be found http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/fox/[10:54:55] <lewellyn> they had their yearly release as normal in 2008[10:54:56] <codestr0m> lewellyn: openbsd may[10:55:27] <lewellyn> i wonder if there's any reason for running it, besides LBX, still[10:55:37] <oenone> no, openbsd used xorg half a year before most others[10:55:37] <palowoda> codestr0m: Who is the manager of Sun's Xorg team that deals with the patches to Xorg?[10:56:05] <codestr0m> palowoda: alanc, but he's surely asleep[10:56:34] <palowoda> You mean you want your questions answered by somebody that is sleeping?[10:56:45] <palowoda> realtime that is.[10:57:15] <frankS2> is there any major changes in the solaris xorg patches? than the prgignials[10:57:16] <frankS2> originals[10:57:27] <sickness> yeah, openbsd uses xorg and has his own build called xenocara[10:57:33] <codestr0m> palowoda: you're really not being helpful.. on irc there's this thing where if you can't help.. you have the choice to say nothing[10:58:27] <palowoda> Merged into what gate?[10:58:45] <frankS2> and you are not really making anyone want to help you with that attitude codestr0m[10:58:49] <frankS2> :)[10:59:13] <lewellyn> codestr0m: and we have the choice to /ignore liberally ;)[10:59:17] <codestr0m> frankS2: well at at certain point I realized nobody could.. and then I was more responding to questions than asking[10:59:17] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:59:25] <codestr0m> lewellyn: be my guest ;)[10:59:37] <lewellyn> i've ignored him in all my clients, already. *shrug*[11:00:29] <codestr0m> lewellyn: who's that?[11:00:40] <lewellyn> palowoda:[11:00:51] <palowoda> Just keep ignoring.[11:01:08] <lewellyn> he has the choice to say nothing, but we have choices as well[11:01:39] * alanc looks at the clock and thinks going to sleep sounds like a damn good thing[11:02:09] <timeless> 3am?[11:02:11] <codestr0m> alanc: oooh.. super quick question.. what's the bleeding edge.. fox-gate or fox-7-4-merge..[11:02:21] <lewellyn> alanc: i keep trying to do that. good luck :P[11:02:24] <alanc> fox-7-4-merge has more blood[11:02:35] *** jteo has quit IRC[11:02:35] <alanc> it's Xorg 1.6 - fox-gate is still 1.5.3[11:02:39] <codestr0m> alanc: ok I see some xorg 1.6 comments[11:02:45] <lewellyn> "has more blood", i like that[11:02:47] <codestr0m> will it stay that way or flip?[11:03:10] <alanc> fox-7-4-merge doesn't fully build yet - some drivers like intel need updates still[11:03:28] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[11:03:34] *** silk has quit IRC[11:03:40] <codestr0m> no worries. .that's what I want[11:03:57] <palowoda> So it wasn't merged.[11:03:57] <alanc> fox-gate is tracking the stable nevada gate, fox-7-4-merge is a project gate for merging new upstream stuff before it's ready for stable - will stay like that,though versions move from 7-4 to main as they're ready[11:04:22] <codestr0m> so fox-gate is basically stable main?[11:04:24] <alanc> everything that was in 7-4 was merged when we did the 1.5.3 putback, then I started new 1.6 stuff in 7-4[11:04:26] *** Janus has joined #opensolaris[11:04:40] *** Janus has left #opensolaris[11:04:49] <alanc> except that fox-gate also has martin & moinak's stuff that's not in nv yet - need to sort that out one of these days[11:04:56] <alanc> but close enough[11:05:02] <lewellyn> so 7-4 is "xorg-next"?[11:05:42] <codestr0m> alanc: ok so I need to check the commit logs for fox-gate for moinake and martin's stuff and merge those back to the 7-4-merged[11:05:51] <codestr0m> in addition to whatever other crazy stuff[11:05:53] <alanc> yeah, right now it's more like xorg-past-7-4-not-yet-7-5, but that's too long to type[11:05:56] <codestr0m> I just need nvidia drivers[11:06:04] * alanc is going to bed now[11:06:13] <lewellyn> sleep well[11:06:16] <codestr0m> sleep well and thanks[11:06:31] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[11:08:04] *** karthiksvp has joined #opensolaris[11:08:05] *** karthiksvp4 has joined #opensolaris[11:08:48] <palowoda> That was productive wasn't it.[11:10:44] *** ken1 is now known as ken-w[11:17:40] *** barfoed has joined #opensolaris[11:20:57] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[11:24:04] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC[11:24:53] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[11:29:32] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[11:29:53] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[11:29:59] *** karthiksvp has quit IRC[11:41:28] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[11:41:31] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[11:42:59] *** yongsun has quit IRC[11:44:43] *** socketErr has quit IRC[11:47:12] *** hsp has quit IRC[11:52:11] *** silk has joined #opensolaris[11:52:39] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[11:54:58] *** colyte has quit IRC[11:57:51] *** nachox has quit IRC[11:59:00] *** ken-w has quit IRC[11:59:21] <CIA-40> "Nagaraj Yedathore - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India" <Nagaraj.Yedathore at Sun dot COM>: 6799485 lpr -t does not tell the data from stdin is troff to printers after 127127-11[12:00:17] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[12:01:16] *** taltamir has quit IRC[12:01:38] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[12:01:55] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[12:02:04] *** ken is now known as ken-w-[12:02:35] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:05:10] <jMCg> ugh... so I get this right, that IPS packages are created the same way as SVR4 packages?[12:06:19] <Stric> IPS packages currently don't have an "on disk format"[12:06:27] <Stric> i.e. package file[12:06:43] <Stric> so you create an SVR4 package and send it to a depot thingie I think[12:08:19] <palowoda> On the upside Shawn Walker I think came up with "on disk format". Now the question will be if it makes the next major release of Indiana.[12:09:05] <trochej> Coffee[12:09:14] <codestr0m> trochej: water![12:09:34] <palowoda> I guess you need the on disk format for the AI (auto install).[12:09:35] <trochej> That goes in the coffee, yes. Contrary to popular belief, my coffe contains water[12:11:06] * seanmcg hopes trochej doesn't pollute coffee by adding say 'milk' ![12:12:34] <trochej> On a occasion, yes[12:14:30] <ofu> uhm? 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german news site: "IBM wants to buy SUN", wtf?[14:08:47] <CosmicDJ> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123735970806267921.html[14:09:57] <oenone> old news by now :P[14:10:45] <lewellyn> it's not even news. :P[14:10:47] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[14:10:54] <oenone> speculations[14:13:38] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[14:13:46] * CosmicDJ remebers what happend to tru64 after compaq was accuired by hp...[14:14:08] * CosmicDJ shivers[14:15:10] <oenone> cool down and wait for official news[14:15:57] <CosmicDJ> sure, I'll buy power6 servers till then ;)[14:18:10] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[14:18:21] <gretel> g'day[14:18:38] *** bignos_ has joined #opensolaris[14:18:41] <bignos_> hello.[14:19:00] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[14:19:06] <bignos_> if i'm installing perl modules with cpan, and it asks for cc, is gcc a suitable replacement? i did that, then symlinked cc to gcc but it complains.[14:19:31] <trygvis> just install suncc, it's free[14:19:38] <bignos_> olk.[14:19:39] <bignos_> er ok.[14:19:47] <lewellyn> you don't want to mix compilers for things like that, if you can help it :P[14:20:06] <bignos_> fair enough. is suncc available for ips?[14:20:26] * lewellyn pleads ignorance on ips[14:20:32] <trygvis> dunno, but search for "studio" and it might show up[14:20:46] <CosmicDJ> bignos_: http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo/OpenSolaris+2008.11+Development+Environment+Guide[14:20:51] <bignos_> tks.[14:21:48] <seanmcg> theres a few, pkg install one of sunstudio, ss-dev or the latest express relase; sunstudioexpress[14:22:03] <bignos_> yup. doing now.[14:23:41] <bignos_> eeek, slowest download ever.[14:23:42] <bignos_> oh well.[14:24:37] <seanmcg> sunstudio can be large, >200MB[14:24:55] *** PicCard_ has quit IRC[14:25:03] <seanmcg> you get c, c++, fortan and the netbeands IDE[14:25:12] <seanmcg> fortran even.[14:25:16] <bignos_> is pfexec == sudo?[14:25:52] <gothos> s/>/==/[14:26:02] <gothos> s/==/>/[14:27:17] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[14:29:37] <trichobezoar> isnt having it ask for the password more secure? :P[14:29:52] <bignos_> sudo can ask for passwords.[14:30:05] <lewellyn> trichobezoar: setting up proper roles is far more secure[14:30:28] <lewellyn> hell, if someone can log in as me, they probably have my password, anyhow[14:30:46] <oenone> at least they can change it :P[14:30:53] <bignos_> or use hellishly long passwords, that you never actually have to know and use keys instead.[14:31:01] <CosmicDJ> oenone: how?[14:31:04] <oenone> passwd[14:31:11] <CosmicDJ> oenone: try it[14:32:14] <lewellyn> bignos_: then you have to actually know and type it whenever you sudo[14:32:36] <bignos_> i have sudo without passwords for certain GID's.[14:32:40] <lewellyn> bignos_: that doesn't change the fact that someone who's figured out my password can still sudo with my password :)[14:32:56] <oenone> security is a process, not a tool[14:33:21] <oenone> so if asking for a password is more secure or not depends on other stuff[14:33:25] <bignos_> lewellyn: yes that is true. however if you 1: never type in your password 2: make it some 20 or 30 character hash string of grossness, chance are acceptable that they aren't goin gto to it.[14:33:26] <CosmicDJ> if you don't like pfexec, create a role and assume that role with su[14:33:42] *** lblume has quit IRC[14:33:49] * bignos_ knows nothing about pfexec :) just learning.[14:33:58] *** Younger has left #opensolaris[14:34:22] <DerSaidin> I think the difference was that sudo execs something as root, pfexec exec's it as the user, but with elevated privledges[14:34:30] <DerSaidin> so with sudo the log would say root did it[14:34:39] <DerSaidin> with pfexec the log would say someotheruser did it[14:34:50] <bignos_> tho sudo does keep a log, i like what you are saying.[14:35:06] <flyingparchment> that depends, the default configuration just runs it as root[14:35:09] <DerSaidin> but thats just iirc from someone else's explanation in here a while ago[14:35:20] <flyingparchment> but you can make it run certain commands with particular privileges if you want[14:36:25] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[14:38:59] *** Odin- has quit IRC[14:39:29] *** axisys has quit IRC[14:41:54] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[14:42:34] *** lesterc has quit IRC[14:44:22] <lewellyn> DerSaidin: try pfexec id :)[14:44:42] <lewellyn> if you have Primary Administrator, it will return 0[14:45:02] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[14:45:30] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[14:45:37] *** gretel has quit IRC[14:46:41] <bignos_> woo, my modules are installing. perfect.[14:47:16] <codestr0m> http://www.latimes.com/business/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-ibm-sun-micro,1,2447154.story[14:47:27] * codestr0m wonders what's in on the horizon[14:47:35] <bignos_> it reeks[14:47:55] <bignos_> all i can see, is a community destroyed and a bunch of adopters/developers left holding their dicks.[14:48:18] <bignos_> heh, up 65%[14:48:29] <lewellyn> codestr0m: do they source wsj, too?[14:48:51] <codestr0m> bignos_: no worries. I've been building a community for months[14:48:54] <codestr0m> we'll have a shelter[14:48:57] <lewellyn> bignos_: i thought it smelled of share-price-jacking, from the outset.[14:48:58] <codestr0m> even if it's cold and rainy :P[14:49:32] *** bbarker is now known as bbarker|afk[14:49:59] <codestr0m> the good news is that IBM owns the copyright to the closed bin stuff in libc :P[14:50:04] <codestr0m> maybe they'll finally open it[14:50:11] <codestr0m> </sarcasm>[14:50:17] <bignos_> IBM takes good projects and ass fucks them.[14:50:27] *** natefoo has joined #opensolaris[14:50:36] <bignos_> the name just reeks to me. they don't seem to get it like sun has been latley.[14:51:29] <jbk> codestr0m: yes, you know you can count on IBM to open source their software, just look at DB2 errr VMS errrr tivoli errr lotus HEY THEY EMBRACE LINUX, THEY MUST BE THE GOOD GUYS![14:51:33] <codestr0m> bignos_: I think you've been in another world[14:51:58] <codestr0m> jbk: you missed the sarcasm tag[14:51:59] <bignos_> have i?[14:52:12] <codestr0m> bignos_: is mysql doing so much better. how about lustre?[14:52:29] <codestr0m> at least they didn't destroy them :P[14:52:46] <bignos_> its not that they're doing so much better, but they're still open.[14:53:20] <codestr0m> well. people would have just forked it.. (more)[14:53:36] <bignos_> i haven't used alot of ibm's technologies, so i'm talking out of my ass, but I just seem to hear alot of complaints about db2 and their java app server ovverings.[14:53:45] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[14:54:22] <codestr0m> bignos_: webfear is my only experience and it's not positive.. I can't comment on their jdk[14:54:36] <bignos_> heh webfear. nice.[14:54:46] <jbk> the problem with db2 is they view all the world as AIX[14:54:51] <jbk> do it runs out of inittab[14:54:58] <bignos_> in anycase, i've drank the suncoolaide, and i just get a bad heeby jeeby over this.[14:55:25] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[14:55:28] <jbk> and (for example) db2 connect (their client piece) also runs out of inittab, and likes to spew a lot of stuff to logfiles, which god help you if that filesystem ever gets full[14:55:34] <jbk> you console becomes unusable[14:55:36] <jbk> err your[14:56:47] *** luc^ has quit IRC[14:57:40] <tsoome> jbk: try filling up zfs:P[14:57:54] <bignos_> i'm a long standing postgres user/fan so haven't use db2[14:58:22] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[14:58:35] <lewellyn> tsoome: i did that :([14:58:43] <tsoome> i know;)[14:58:44] <CIA-40> Stephen Hanson <Stephen.Hanson at Sun dot COM>: 6803279 bofi_intercept_intr() shouild work with MSI (X) interrupt, 6802143 "must" propagations with payloadprop constraints are treated like "may" propagations, 6803816 setserd* and setpayloadprop commands only allowed on direct fault->ereport propagations, 6786891 serd_io_device_nonfatal_n/t properties not working for pciex devices, 6778452 diagnosis fails if service state changes from "unaffected" to "lost" or[14:59:09] <lewellyn> whatever happened to unix filesystems having "slack space" for root's exclusive use? :([14:59:24] <bignos_> freebsd does[14:59:32] <bignos_> its around 10% afaik[14:59:42] <lewellyn> everything but zfs does[15:00:00] <bignos_> zfs compression=on rpool ;)[15:00:02] <lewellyn> i think even the hurd expects it :P[15:00:13] <lewellyn> that actually makes the problem worse, bignos_[15:00:14] <bignos_> hehe, i met RMS about a month ago... what a guy[15:00:23] <bignos_> lewellyn: notice the ;)[15:00:36] <lewellyn> well, you'd not expect it to get worse[15:00:44] <bignos_> true[15:00:46] <bignos_> do tell[15:00:48] <lewellyn> at least, not until you think about HOW zfs stores things[15:01:32] <lewellyn> i only understand it as much as i do from fighting with zfs for the better part of a day :([15:01:37] <jbk> well the simple solution is you can manually get the same effect[15:01:52] <jbk> just create a dummy fs (or zvol) with a reservation of whatever buffer you want[15:02:06] <tsoome> its trivial to set reserve space on pool[15:02:34] <lathiat> and trivial to create 'filesystems'[15:02:49] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[15:03:00] <lewellyn> tsoome: the problem is that it's not automatic[15:03:08] <tsoome> yep[15:03:33] <lewellyn> big surprise for people used to it being there. bigger surprise when you discover that 0 bytes isn't enough to delete a file :P[15:04:08] <lewellyn> and i still don't understand how zeroing a 4gb file failed to free up any space :P[15:04:18] <holcomb> also the reservation wouldn't really fix it[15:04:22] <bignos_> was the file still open?[15:04:48] <natefoo> zeroing a file just means a file is full of zeros.[15:05:16] <jbk> if it gets full, you can decrease the reservation of the dummy fs (that should be empty), free up the space, and restore it[15:05:34] <CosmicDJ> lewellyn: copy on write ;)[15:06:11] <lewellyn> CosmicDJ: yup. :P[15:06:26] <lathiat> market opened now => http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:JAVA << pure crazyness.. ibm is down too[15:06:31] <lewellyn> bignos_: i discovered it was full after sxce crashed and i rebooted[15:07:28] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[15:08:59] <holcomb> i get the sense that some stock broker somewhere is trying to make a quick buck[15:09:25] <bignos_> i wonder how fast this will all happen.[15:09:29] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[15:09:44] *** PerterB has quit IRC[15:14:48] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb[15:15:21] <tfb> lewellyn: I don't think the free space requirement in FFS and derivatives was to help root, it wss to avoid fragmentation[15:15:50] <tsoome> tfb you are correct[15:15:58] *** bbarker|afk is now known as bbarker[15:16:16] <lewellyn> tfb: however in zfs's case, it would avoid "crap, i don't have enough space to delete files!"[15:16:23] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[15:16:28] <tfb> I am not sure (don't remember) if v7 FS had it[15:16:52] <lewellyn> hell, even if it defaulted to like 100mb, that'd likely be more than sufficient for recovery from ENOSPC[15:18:19] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[15:18:20] <tsoome> its quite ridiculous all those big brain engineers missed the zfs full issue:P[15:19:28] <lewellyn> tsoome: how would you ever fill an *entire* terabyte+ pool? ;)[15:19:40] <tfb> I think you can just create a small fs and set a reservation[15:19:54] <tfb> then there will always be space[15:20:12] <tsoome> lewellyn: no problems at all[15:20:28] *** dguitar has joined #opensolaris[15:20:31] <lewellyn> tsoome: it's a joke in the line of "640kb..."[15:20:51] <tsoome> ah, mkay.:P[15:20:56] <tsoome> i need cofffeee:D[15:21:16] <lewellyn> tfb: but it will continue to bite people as it's really not expected behavior for your disk to be "too full" to delete files to free up space.[15:21:16] <tsoome> joke processor is switched off apparently...[15:22:48] <hugohagogo> Sun to be acquired by IBM? is true?[15:23:00] <tsoome> only time will tell[15:23:03] <natefoo> anyone using boomer? i'm getting static with my audio.[15:23:27] <jbk> heh i think IBM is going to have it's own problems in the next year or two to be worrying about large acquisitions[15:23:43] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[15:24:09] <jbk> they have 36 billion in customer debt (financing purchases)[15:24:10] <hugohagogo> I don't think to be good thing[15:24:24] *** proberts has quit IRC[15:24:26] <jbk> i would be surprised if they don't have to start writing off a decent chunk of that[15:25:53] <gerard13> hello all, is it possible to cotrol again a dataset delegated to a NG zone, in case need of nfs share? i have thius error in a global zone http://pastebin.fr/3827[15:26:00] <lewellyn> jbk: nevermind the massive overlapping tech :P[15:27:06] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[15:30:52] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[15:31:12] *** MattAFC is now known as MattMan[15:31:58] *** mrtoto has quit IRC[15:32:12] *** shuman_ has quit IRC[15:32:50] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[15:33:38] <tsoome> gerard13: you did delete that zone?[15:35:14] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[15:35:17] <gerard13> ok, sorry i found the solution, it's related to "zoned" property, i have to set it to off[15:35:38] <gerard13> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/gbbre?a=view[15:36:17] <tsoome> it will be set again once you start that zone. unless you removed that dataset from zone config or deleted the zone[15:36:40] <gerard13> yes, i removed the dataset from the config zone[15:40:47] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[15:43:43] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[15:43:47] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[15:44:19] *** e-jat has quit IRC[15:47:01] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris[15:47:32] <SYS64738> hi[15:48:41] <jMCg> Can someone explain to me why IPS mirrors always run on such esoteric ports?[15:48:53] <SYS64738> is it possibile to configure the native cifs to allow anonymous connections ?[15:50:43] *** Heavy-D has joined #opensolaris[15:52:01] <Heavy-D> hey guys i'm interested in playing around with Opensolaris and have very limited Solaris or UNIX background... where is a good place to start to learn all the Ins and Outs of it? thanks in advance.[15:53:00] <trichobezoar> Look at the topic[15:53:04] <trichobezoar> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16[15:53:23] <sstallion_work> jMCg: likely to avoid conflicts with established services and to allow the repo process(es) to run as a normal user[15:53:29] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[15:53:48] <Heavy-D> My bad, missed that part... thanks trichobezoar[15:53:52] *** gretel has quit IRC[15:55:23] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[15:57:03] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:58:17] <jMCg> sstallion_work: how about a different /context or virtual host, how about reverse proxying the service?[15:58:56] <CIA-40> Vladimir Kotal <Vladimir.Kotal at Sun dot COM>: 6790719 consolidate webrev uploading console output into single line, 6791177 webrev should display upload target before uploading, 6791181 webrev should upload just directory contents if target ends with slash, 6791217 webrev upload target should be checked earlier and more thoroughly, 6807228 webrev should not fail when creating intermediary directories[15:59:58] <sstallion_work> jMCg: why?[16:00:26] <sstallion_work> (you still don't get around the superuser issue for port 80 - you are just adding additional overhead for serving a repo)[16:00:33] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[16:00:46] <jMCg> Actually, on solaris you are...[16:02:02] <jMCg> Anyways, many companies have policies for outgoing traffic as well. Restricting it to only a number of ports. Getting any kind of change there can be quite painfull.[16:04:01] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[16:05:06] <tsoome> jMCg: simple - if you are supposed to work with that repo, they need to open access, if not....[16:05:51] <tsoome> if you dont like the company policy, you are working in wrong company:P[16:05:56] <trichobezoar> How righteous[16:06:28] <jMCg> Makes a certain kind of sense.[16:08:02] <PatrickA1e> I guess you have to finegrane that statement to "if you are supposed to work with that repo for business who pays you and where you try to connect from related"[16:08:05] <PatrickA1e> :p[16:08:22] <tsoome> :P[16:08:41] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[16:09:39] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: you don't need superuser access for port 80 on solaris[16:10:04] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris[16:10:09] <tsoome> but i agree, limited access to net sucks, as well as "nonstandard" ports. but thats something we have to face after internet was given out for corporal usage:([16:10:09] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris[16:10:16] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: ?[16:10:28] <tsoome> corporate*[16:10:36] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: you can give a user access to open port 80 (and just port 80) via pfexec[16:10:53] <lewellyn> rbac is very powerful, remember ;)[16:11:05] <jMCg> I usually do that via svc.[16:11:26] <sstallion_work> lewellyn: ... that still requires enhanced privileges[16:11:40] <sstallion_work> RBAC effectively grants superuser access for specific tasks[16:12:36] <jMCg> On Linux that's done via extended POSIX Capabilities. IIRC, Solaris implements those as well, so I assume it's going a similar path.[16:14:20] <lewellyn> sstallion_work: regardless, if the only thing you can do is open a listener on port 80 with your "elevated" privs, that's not very "super" usery[16:14:54] <jMCg> lewellyn: how does one restrict the user to only bind to a specific port?[16:14:57] <lewellyn> and i don't think that the port gets bound as root, either.[16:15:05] <lewellyn> jMCg: i forget the magic invocation[16:15:11] <jMCg> It does not.[16:15:16] <jbk> you can't do a specific port, just any port < 1024[16:15:25] <jbk> at least without the fgap stuff[16:15:47] <lewellyn> jbk: um. you're 100% sure? i remember having just port 80 on solaris 10's sxde[16:15:57] <lewellyn> actually, i think i had port 82[16:16:18] <trichobezoar> 82 is part of "<1024"[16:16:21] <lewellyn> i know i couldn't bind other ports because i invoked the wrong script once :P[16:16:41] <jbk> well if they're already bound, no you can't[16:16:41] <lewellyn> 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PORTFS_DISSOCIATE[16:58:40] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 4950919 adt* interfaces should accept empty string as equivalent to a NULL string.[16:58:41] <CIA-33> Jan Friedel <Jan.Friedel at Sun dot COM>: 6412948 There's cruft in the libbsm files that needs to be removed.[16:59:02] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[17:00:41] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC[17:01:48] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:04:05] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[17:04:19] <_setuid_H> Hi there[17:04:57] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[17:06:10] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:06:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[17:06:36] *** javatexan has quit IRC[17:09:19] *** nickv has joined #opensolaris[17:09:30] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[17:09:47] <nickv> Question for all of you...the name service cache daemon...do any of you run it on your name servers (bind)?[17:10:24] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[17:10:26] <Stric> nscd and bind does have some overlap (caching host requests), but also 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it off (it usually just hurts you more than it helps)[17:17:16] <tsoome> Okona: i have the same issue:)[17:17:30] <tsoome> it tells there are no screens, does it?[17:17:49] <Okona> tsoome: exactly[17:18:17] <tsoome> I did try to google a bit but found no hints really[17:18:27] <Okona> tsoome: same here[17:18:28] <tsoome> but it was like last week[17:18:45] <tsoome> havent tryed drivers from nvidia.com yet[17:19:20] <Okona> I just tried the newest version (173.14.18) nut no success[17:19:29] *** jfisc has quit IRC[17:21:00] <Okona> the last build i had, which did work was 106[17:22:06] <tsoome> same[17:22:26] <tsoome> or hm, have to check[17:22:55] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[17:23:26] *** chrisr has joined #opensolaris[17:23:46] <tsoome> hm, i have 108 as previous one[17:24:03] <tsoome> so 108 was ok[17:24:05] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[17:24:20] <Okona> ic[17:25:09] *** [JT] has quit IRC[17:26:52] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[17:27:12] *** ravv has quit IRC[17:27:12] *** 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I'm a bit puzzled by the truss output, see http://pastie.org/419915[17:40:31] <kjetilho> the third column should be time elapsed inside the system call, as I understand it. so how come the process blocks for 4 seconds before the write(2) is started?[17:40:51] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[17:41:05] <asyd> kjetilho: what is your config, pool, ram[17:41:53] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[17:42:13] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[17:42:14] <kjetilho> asyd: very little RAM. but my question was about truss, really :)[17:42:31] *** alfism has quit IRC[17:42:39] <asyd> kjetilho: paste the output of zpool status[17:42:41] <asyd> hmm ok[17:42:51] <kjetilho> (1 GiB RAM)[17:42:51] *** koberoi has joined #opensolaris[17:42:55] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[17:42:59] <timelE61i> little ram on zfs = unhappy[17:43:43] <trichobezoar> "Solaris scales down poorly, get more ram"[17:43:49] <kjetilho> here's the zpool status: http://pastie.org/419919[17:44:35] <asyd> hmm ok[17:44:39] <asyd> you lack of ram.[17:44:39] <asyd> :)[17:45:03] <asyd> but yes, I understand your question about truss's output[17:45:12] <asyd> but I prefer to say nothing insteand saying something stupid :)[17:45:13] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[17:46:03] <kjetilho> :)[17:46:09] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[17:46:59] <asyd> well[17:47:03] <asyd> In contrast to the -D option, this is the amount of[17:47:04] <asyd> time spent within the system call.[17:47:15] <asyd> so if I understand corretly, you spent 4s in the write syscall[17:47:37] <asyd> which is not very expensive for writing 1GB? :P[17:47:44] *** Phenox_ has joined #OpenSolaris[17:48:13] <asyd> (ok, I may say something stupid :)[17:51:34] <kjetilho> asyd: the first number is when, relative to the start of the truss[17:51:43] <kjetilho> it's 1 MiB writes anyway[17:51:59] <asyd> ah yes my bad[17:53:19] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[17:55:11] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[17:55:26] *** div111 has quit IRC[17:58:15] *** jfisc1 has joined 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I've been thinking of creating a home NAS type of system for quite some time now. I could buy 10 or 12 of those cheap SATA-II disks (possibly identical 750GB ones), use x86-64 arch, and possibly run OpenSolaris with ZFS. I'd only access them remotely from my Linux machine, so I suppose that rules using iSCSI out. And of course the HDDs would be RAIDed (with standard levels or possibly RAID-Z), and I suppose I could export them[18:18:41] <e^ipi> why would it rule iscsi out?[18:18:59] <seanmcg> why does it rule iscsi out ? Should be ok.[18:19:02] <yik_> Maybe someone has some suggestions as to whether I should use RAID-Z, RAID-Z2 or what? I'm also very interested in backing my workstation computer's files (this is a separate issue), and related to the server side ZFS, have some sort of versioning of files. Would it be possible to make a cronjob to take a ZFS snapshot of the whole volume/pool every few hours to provide almost real-time, cheap, "backups"?[18:19:20] <yik_> Oh? I was under the impression ZFS is a local file system and Linux does not support ZFS.[18:19:51] <seanmcg> zfs has iscsi 'features'.. create a zvol and export that as a iscsi device. Easy :)[18:19:52] <trichobezoar> for 12 drives, raid5 isnt enough unless you split it into two 6-drive raid5's or use raidz2[18:20:24] <yik_> I see.. seanmcg, that is very interesting information. trichobezoar, yes RAID-Z2 is what caught my eye..[18:20:36] <e^ipi> raidz2 is probably the smarter idea[18:21:15] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[18:22:40] *** luc^ has quit IRC[18:23:19] *** jdcasey has joined #opensolaris[18:23:49] <yik_> So let me get this straight: On the server I could have a zvol with raid-z2 with the 12 disks, and then export that as a raw device via iSCSI. Then on Linux workstation I could simply connect to the iscsi volumes and create a linux-compatible filesystem there. Correct? How about ZFS snapshots? Do they require ZFS itself or do they work only on zvols?[18:23:59] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[18:24:05] <tfb> yik_: I don't see any real advantage to using isci, why not just use NFS.[18:24:22] <holcomb> they work on zvols[18:24:33] <timelE61i> tFb: linux nfs daemon is flaky[18:24:37] <holcomb> nfs might be a better choice if you don't need raw storage[18:24:37] <yik_> tfb: I was wondering how the speed is on NFS[18:24:56] <yik_> I don't require raw storage, no.[18:25:05] <timelE61i> Personally i have no preference (iscsi, nfs, smb)[18:26:23] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[18:26:51] <yik_> How about things like RAID 1+0 (or 0+1)? Would they offer me any advantages? I don't know if they would speed data access (I'm mostly interested read speed), them being mechanical hard drives.[18:27:01] <tfb> my experience of client side linux NFS (which is not that recent for serious use) is that it's OK once you get the mount options right[18:28:16] <tfb> using iscsi seems to me like a huge step backwards (to those of us who remember ND)[18:28:28] <tfb> unless you have to for some reason[18:28:35] <timelE61i> my experience is that people don't configure it right :)[18:28:47] * timelE61i wonders what ND is[18:28:55] <tfb> Network Disk[18:29:10] <tfb> erm, SunOS 2? I forget[18:29:33] <Doc> so.. IBM...[18:30:08] <perlmongo> SunOS 2, yes[18:30:13] <perlmongo> looong time ago[18:30:23] <perlmongo> pre-NFS, right?[18:30:43] <tfb> yes, it was before NFS existed for sure[18:31:30] *** rv- has quit IRC[18:31:34] <tfb> timelE61i: agree re config of NFS yes.[18:32:06] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[18:32:19] <Tusk2> hello[18:36:09] <yik_> How viable would it be to take a ZFS snapshot every 15 minutes or so, and store them for up to a few weeks? I'm imagining hundreds of snapshots and everything slowing to a crawl...[18:36:43] <turtle> well then stop imagining that[18:36:45] <tfb> I don't think snapshots make things slower at all[18:36:58] <turtle> your only concern is running out of space[18:37:01] <yik_> Interesting..[18:37:18] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[18:37:24] <turtle> i have 246 snapshots on my freebsd box at home right now..it's not any slower.[18:37:28] <tsoome> maintaining loads of snapshots will consume cpu/memory as well[18:37:30] <bda> Snapshots only make zfs list slow.[18:37:34] <Tusk2> how am i suppose to boot in text mode? i killed my X drivers, but cannot shift to console to debug ....[18:37:36] *** gnb__ has joined #opensolaris[18:37:39] <tfb> tsoome: why?[18:37:45] <bda> And zpools only get slow when the pool becomes full and it has to spin the disk looking for places to cleanly write blocks.[18:37:49] <tsoome> if you have loads of changes[18:37:50] <yik_> You guys have been very helpful :-)[18:37:59] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[18:38:03] <bda> Depending on usage, 85-90% should be when you start looking for more disks to add.[18:38:04] <tsoome> it needs to check out and make cow[18:38:14] <tfb> it does COW *anyway*[18:38:30] <tsoome> yes, but you need to keep block list in snapshot[18:38:40] <bda> Tusk2: svcadm disable gdm or cde-login or gdm-login depending on your revision.[18:38:48] <bda> Or boot into failsafe.[18:38:59] <bda> (and then bring yourself up to whatever milestone you want with svcadm milestone)[18:39:10] <tfb> tsoome: are you sure you're thinking of ZFS not UFS snapshots?[18:39:16] <Tusk2> bda mmmh how ?[18:39:25] <Tusk2> i mean the failsafe[18:39:30] <bda> Tusk2: How to boot into failsafe? From the grub menu, presumably.[18:39:35] <tsoome> any snapshot[18:39:45] <Tusk2> yeah but i don't have any failsafe entry :D[18:40:08] <bda> http://blogs.sun.com/angad/entry/opensolaris_2008_05_has_no # guess not.[18:40:09] <Tusk2> bda: actually i just want it to boot normally but in text mode[18:40:19] <bda> Tusk2: Then disable gdm/gdm-login/cde-login or whatever it's called.[18:40:26] *** LouisJB has quit IRC[18:40:31] <Tusk2> can't get there[18:40:35] <bda> Can you ssh in? :)[18:40:47] <Tusk2> mmmmh maybe[18:41:07] <bda> Alternatively, reboot, edit the grub menu and add -s to the end of the kernel line. Then do whatever from single-user.[18:41:27] <Tusk2> actually the problem is that when i remove the "console=graphics" part, the screen doesn't go for text[18:41:40] <tsoome> snapshot is a change list of blocks, that list need to be updated and that will take cpu cycles[18:41:45] <Tusk2> but only for somthing like someone had puked on my screen[18:41:47] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[18:41:55] <tfb> tsoome: no, it isn't not in ZFS[18:42:31] <tsoome> you mean that list will be there by some kind of god power:P[18:42:33] <turtle> i think that's one of them there double negatives![18:43:06] <tfb> the filesystem is *already* there. All that happens is that as new structures are written, the old ones re not removed[18:43:12] <tfb> s/re/are/[18:43:45] <Tusk2> bda: you see that loading during boot, how do i get rid of it ??[18:44:30] <tsoome> *every* move, every calculation will take cpu cycles. yes they may be implemented in very efficient way, but will take cpu still[18:44:34] *** Dar has quit IRC[18:45:23] <e^ipi> failing to delete old references doesn't take CPU cycles[18:45:37] <tfb> in fact it may take *less* cyles :-)[18:46:13] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:46:58] *** Heavy-D has quit IRC[18:48:11] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:49:12] *** jteo has quit IRC[18:50:48] *** mib_j0p1jkax has joined #opensolaris[18:51:55] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[18:52:43] *** oninoshik1 has quit IRC[18:54:34] *** mrtoto has quit IRC[18:56:42] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[18:56:42] *** logic855 has quit IRC[18:59:21] <Tusk2> bda: can't connect to ssh :( there's no way to get rid of that f****** loading screen ? that's damn useless[18:59:50] *** ldvxvs has quit IRC[19:00:03] *** dguitar has quit IRC[19:01:28] *** dunc__ has joined #opensolaris[19:01:39] <e^ipi> Tusk2: what do you mean 'no way to get rid of the screen'[19:01:50] <e^ipi> it's called "happyface boot" and there most certainly is a way to turn it off[19:02:11] <Tusk2> so please tell me it's starting to piss me off[19:02:13] <Tusk2> :D[19:02:19] <Tusk2> happyuseless face[19:02:23] <Tusk2> ^^[19:02:29] *** dunc__ has quit IRC[19:02:55] <Tusk2> i tried console=text[19:03:02] <Tusk2> doesn't work[19:03:04] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris[19:03:22] <Tusk2> well false it's deactivated but the screen is all messed up[19:03:23] <e^ipi> no, because that's not how you do it[19:03:30] <e^ipi> google://disable+happyface+boot[19:04:35] <timelE61i> tUsk: you need to remove two or three things[19:04:47] <timelE61i> One of them is a different line[19:04:57] <timelE61i> Splashscreen or something[19:05:25] <Tusk2> ok i get it let's try[19:05:29] <e^ipi> timelE61i: if he googles it, it will come[19:06:18] * timelE61i kicks jive[19:06:57] <timelE61i> yeah, google is better than asking or trial+error[19:07:07] * timelE61i just learned from trial+error[19:07:26] *** cypromis has quit IRC[19:07:42] *** jdcasey has quit IRC[19:09:15] *** MattMan has quit IRC[19:09:38] <Tusk2> (19:07:11) e^ipi: timelE61i: if he googles it, it will come << yeah but it's easier googling something you know the name ;)[19:11:05] <e^ipi> i gave you the name[19:11:05] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[19:12:18] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[19:12:32] <Tusk2> e^ipi: yeah thx and i found ;)[19:12:47] *** Zaba_ has joined #opensolaris[19:13:31] <trochej> Coffee[19:17:08] *** javatexan has quit IRC[19:22:09] *** mikefut has quit IRC[19:24:30] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:24:39] *** Zaba has quit IRC[19:25:12] <tomww> anyone actually knows the first snv_nnn build where SUNWncurses went in?[19:25:46] <tomww> might be aroung snv_100 ... 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Sun Studio 12 Update 1 Early Access Program just launched today. http://bit.ly/5Btxy[19:39:00] *** tfb has quit IRC[19:39:12] <koberoi> It's not in the OpenSolaris repo just yet, but you can d/l a tarfile installer from sun.com[19:40:08] <koberoi> EA build is Sun Studio Express 3/09[19:40:22] <e^ipi> nifty[19:40:46] <timelE61i> tomww: if you have indiana, pkg search :)[19:42:27] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[19:42:52] <timelE61i> kOberoi: can it build mozilla :)[19:43:02] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[19:43:22] *** e1kg1 has quit IRC[19:43:39] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[19:43:51] * timelE61i is still amazed that some compiler vendors would come and say "hey, here's a compiler" only to find out it can't build gecko...[19:43:55] *** e-jat has quit IRC[19:45:12] *** bbartek has quit IRC[19:45:20] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[19:45:47] <e^ipi> timelE61i: sounds like a problem with gecko[19:46:02] <timelE61i> It isn't[19:46:08] <timelE61i> The compilers are buggy[19:46:10] <tomww> timelE61i: if the package import included SUNWncures... need to know it as exactly as possible. so if someone on snv_100 would have a look would be perfect[19:46:14] <timelE61i> They tend to ICE[19:46:15] <e^ipi> "your compiler is broken" doesn't follow from "we use compiler specific features"[19:46:21] *** bbartek has quit IRC[19:46:30] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[19:46:36] <timelE61i> Nah, not compiler specific features[19:46:40] <timelE61i> Just c++[19:46:46] <timelE61i> And templates[19:47:20] <koberoi> actually, we do include hundreds of open source apps as part of our regular testing. Not sure about mozilla...[19:47:21] *** bbartek has quit IRC[19:47:25] <timelE61i> tOmww: seriously, on indiana, pkg search would list all versions[19:47:35] <timelE61i> At least, ime[19:47:40] *** Carl_Rover2k12 has joined #opensolaris[19:47:51] <timelE61i> My workstation is @work, and i'm @dinner[19:48:10] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[19:48:48] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[19:48:51] *** bbartek has quit IRC[19:49:02] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[19:49:45] *** bbartek has quit IRC[19:49:55] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[19:51:20] <CosmicDJ> if you get an ICE, I'm sure the studio devs would be happy to hear from you..[19:51:43] <timelE61i> Ime they used to hear from us nearly quarterly[19:51:46] * timelE61i grumbles[19:52:03] <CosmicDJ> and nothing changed?[19:52:19] <timelE61i> no, they fix it in a patch release[19:52:27] <codestr0m> koberoi: the license for the sun.com tarball is not the same as pkg.os.o?[19:52:32] <timelE61i> And then the next quarter there was another break :)[19:52:49] <codestr0m> afaik they remove a few parts from the main SSX so that it can be redistributable[19:52:52] <CosmicDJ> there are no T fixes for studio?[19:53:06] <CosmicDJ> s/fixes/patches[19:53:21] <timelE61i> see above[19:54:06] <timelE61i> fwiw, it's not really much different for msvc/gcc[19:54:11] <CosmicDJ> well they release patches for studio, strange they don't fix the bugs you reported[19:54:20] <timelE61i> arg![19:54:28] <timelE61i> I said they fix it in a patch[19:54:36] <koberoi> no, the sun.com tarball has a preview Sun EULA. 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I'd bet I've bugged you and we've traded emails if so[19:55:51] <timelE61i> i meant it only broke once a quarter :)[19:56:10] <timelE61i> The patches came w/in 2weeks iirc[19:58:14] <CosmicDJ> but it still breaks compiling firefox?[19:58:33] <timelE61i> oH, it works most of the year[19:58:43] <CIA-33> Ritwik Ghoshal <Ritwik.Ghoshal at Sun dot COM>: 6633566 dircmp(1) shellscript contains exploitable temporary file race condition[19:58:45] <CIA-33> Ali Bahrami <Ali.Bahrami at Sun dot COM>: 6813909 generalize eh_frame support to non-amd64 platforms[19:58:46] <CIA-33> Vladimir Kotal <Vladimir.Kotal at Sun dot COM>: 6520458 ikeadm should have command line history capabilities, 4313953 ipseckey(1m) needs line editing support., 6814629 ipseckey should employ strict checking for {dump,flush} commands[19:58:59] <timelE61i> It's probably broken a couple of weeks a year max[19:59:03] <koberoi> Yep, I'm in the Sun Developer Tools org which includes Sun Studio[19:59:18] <timelE61i> Although the version of sunstudio i have on snv53 doesn't build it[19:59:49] <flyingparchment> so when is cc going to make it back into the base OS?[20:00:03] <timelE61i> tHankfully i'm about to replace it w/ 109 :)[20:01:03] <CosmicDJ> flyingparchment: I read smth about it'll be included in sxce or smth in the future, but I don't have any links :([20:01:03] <holcomb> amen, flyingparchment[20:01:23] <holcomb> the version of cc used to compile the os should be included[20:02:08] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[20:03:22] <koberoi> Prior to build 100, Sun Studio 11 + patches were needed to build nevada. 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Or would folks like to continue to have choices?[20:18:11] <flyingparchment> what does make do that dmake doesn't?[20:20:42] <sactodave> Did anyone hear the rumor about IBM wanting to buy Sun? How would that effect opensolaris?[20:21:14] <throatwarbler> way way way way too early to know.[20:21:15] *** Cybertux has quit IRC[20:21:16] <turtle> you mean OpenSolArIX?![20:23:39] <LouisJB> heh, I personally hope OpenSolaris and MySQL survive[20:23:56] <LouisJB> and netbeans too[20:24:10] <LouisJB> yikes, my whole world could go upsidedown :s[20:25:37] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[20:25:46] <koberoi> I think make (in OpenSolaris) and dmake are similar, with exceptions around distributed/parallel. Now that Sun Studio/dmake is free, the suggestion definitely has merit[20:26:32] *** gaveen has quit IRC[20:27:47] *** wbkang has quit IRC[20:28:06] <e^ipi> i'm not sure how that distributed thing works...[20:28:40] *** chrol has quit IRC[20:29:58] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[20:29:58] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:30:15] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:30:25] *** ken1 is now known as ken-h[20:31:48] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[20:35:56] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[20:36:01] *** rasputnik_ has joined #opensolaris[20:37:43] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[20:39:39] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[20:41:58] *** fftb__ has joined #opensolaris[20:41:58] *** ken-h has quit IRC[20:42:39] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:43:13] *** alexus has joined #opensolaris[20:43:20] *** yarihm has quit IRC[20:43:32] *** rasputnik_ has quit IRC[20:43:51] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[20:44:01] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[20:45:05] *** natefoo has left #opensolaris[20:45:41] *** doug_out is now known as doug_outout[20:46:55] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[20:48:00] <koberoi> give the distributed capabilities in dmake a shot - http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5273/aexaz?a=view (needs to have a clean rsh experience)[20:48:40] *** chrol has quit IRC[20:50:09] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[20:51:28] *** gretel has quit IRC[20:51:29] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:52:03] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:54:56] *** [JT] has quit IRC[20:56:54] <codestr0m> koberoi: when you -S this http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=5906&action=view what's the assembly look like.. it is pretty close to what you'd do by hand? could you maybe post a diff of SS12.1 EA with the cool features that were pulled from the release and compare to SSX[20:58:44] <CIA-33> Zhong Wang <Zhong.Wang at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2008/310 FCoE (Fibre Channel over Ethernet) Target, 6701027 Need FCoE target for Solaris, 6812750 Change in stmf/fct/stmf_sbd needed for support FCoE[20:58:45] <CIA-33> Michael Bergknoff <Michael.Bergknoff at Sun dot COM>: 6809317 On Cherrystone: picld fails if libraries are in the wrong order in the plugins directory[20:59:49] *** Tusk2 has left #opensolaris[20:59:50] *** ken1 has quit IRC[21:00:28] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[21:01:41] *** ipfw has quit IRC[21:01:41] *** ken1 has quit IRC[21:01:46] *** sponix has quit IRC[21:02:21] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[21:06:20] *** myosound has left #opensolaris[21:06:20] *** ken1 has quit IRC[21:07:49] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[21:10:43] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[21:11:07] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[21:11:34] *** Tuxbubling has joined #opensolaris[21:12:04] *** esok has quit IRC[21:18:30] *** javatexan has quit IRC[21:20:07] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #opensolaris[21:24:01] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[21:24:47] *** noyb_ has joined #opensolaris[21:25:03] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[21:27:08] *** stevel_ has quit IRC[21:27:41] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[21:28:28] *** stevel has quit IRC[21:28:45] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:33:16] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[21:35:36] *** prdelka has quit IRC[21:35:42] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[21:37:33] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:40:04] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:42:03] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[21:50:06] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[21:51:20] *** ken1 is now known as ken-away[21:55:24] *** cypromis has quit IRC[21:56:38] *** cambazz has joined #opensolaris[21:56:45] <cambazz> hello. is there a way to get the fanspeed[21:57:16] <cambazz> like there is cpu fan, board fan, psu fan[21:57:22] <cambazz> and i want to know their speed[21:58:40] <CIA-33> Vasumathi Sundaram - Sun Microsystems <Vasumathi.Sundaram at Sun dot COM>: 4616660 status reports should not be exported by way of ndd, 6796360 tcp_hsp_lookup* code is orphaned after 6737341[22:00:14] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[22:00:32] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[22:03:18] <seanmcg> cambazz, ipmitool if the box has such capability (i.e. an ilom etc)[22:03:35] <seanmcg> smbios may help too .. 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I though the metadbs on the drives where supposed to be enough?[22:40:49] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:43:40] *** proberts has quit IRC[22:43:41] <seanmcg> sometimes having the /etc/lvm/md.cf is enough..[22:43:56] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[22:43:57] <joshcarter> question re opensolaris build: if I copy the "opensolaris" build env in onbld, it sets -N in NIGHTLY_OPTIONS. However, the build email says it probably shouldn't be set. Can anyone clarify this?[22:44:21] *** rv- has quit IRC[22:45:01] *** yik_ is now known as Esine[22:47:09] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris[22:49:31] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[22:50:22] *** cemerick has quit IRC[22:51:18] <jwk404> trygvis: the order matters. if you originally specified 'c1t2d0s0 c1t3d0s0 c1t4d0s0' and try to metainit (with -k) 'c1t2d0s0 c1t4d0s0 c1t3d0s0' you'll get an error back from metainit. also, if you used a non-default -i value when creating the raid5, md.cf will have that value.[22:52:51] <trygvis> k. I can get to all the files now[22:53:01] *** chrism has joined #opensolaris[22:53:02] <trygvis> the db replicas are on drives still in the box[22:53:18] *** gnb__ has quit IRC[22:53:34] <trygvis> I'll have to look at the more tomorrow, time for bed[22:53:37] <trygvis> thanks for the help![22:54:32] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[22:58:34] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris[22:58:48] <CIA-33> Vuong Nguyen <Vuong.Nguyen at Sun dot COM>: 6800878 CMI_MAX_{CHIPS,CORES_PER_CHIP,STRANDS_PER_CORE} should be dynamic[22:59:10] *** sch has joined #opensolaris[22:59:18] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[23:00:22] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[23:00:39] *** alexus has quit IRC[23:04:36] *** jfisc has quit IRC[23:05:03] *** dunc has quit IRC[23:07:51] *** pgr has quit IRC[23:08:13] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:09:08] *** marctw has joined #opensolaris[23:09:10] <marctw> HAs anyone here any experience with Compellent?[23:11:13] <crichardso> marctw we looked at them recently ad they were crazy expensive[23:11:47] *** luc^ has quit IRC[23:11:51] <crichardso> intresting looking product but couldnt handle the price[23:12:22] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[23:12:28] *** rasputnik_ has quit IRC[23:16:39] *** stevel_ is now known as stevel[23:16:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[23:17:39] <bda> moo.[23:18:55] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[23:18:57] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[23:20:33] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[23:21:22] *** pasky has joined #opensolaris[23:22:01] <pasky> hello, could please someone run for l in C en_US en_GB cs_CZ de_DE; do (export LC_TIME=$l; echo -n $l\ ; date +%p); done on opensolaris and paste me the results?[23:22:14] <pasky> (on pastebin or so)[23:23:13] *** marctw has quit IRC[23:23:53] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[23:24:20] *** ken-h is now known as ken-zZz[23:24:50] <axisys> hopefully IBM will drop AIX and go with solaris :-)[23:25:24] <pasky> hmm, now i'm wondering if solaris has echo -n... should've put that in the date format string :)[23:25:43] *** Tuxbubling has quit IRC[23:26:29] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[23:26:31] <seanmcg> pasky, echo can be a shell builtin.[23:26:55] *** ricardo-vlh has joined #opensolaris[23:27:23] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[23:28:06] *** myosound has quit IRC[23:28:32] *** MeP3aBeu_ has joined #opensolaris[23:28:34] <pasky> seanmcg: sure, usually is... so? 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how old is your solaris ?[23:47:07] <Stric> 2.6 ;)[23:47:22] <coollinux> very old[23:47:23] <coollinux> yes[23:47:40] <e^ipi> that's not opensolaris then[23:47:55] <Stric> Most of that font system is deprecated and is now using a more sane system through fontconfig[23:48:47] <coollinux> ahan[23:49:04] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[23:49:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[23:49:23] <trichobezoar> is there a way for me to get xen to use a crossbox vnic?[23:49:31] <trichobezoar> I get backend device not found when using -b vnic14 for example[23:49:46] *** gothos has quit IRC[23:50:14] <coollinux> i have solaris 10 as well so how do u mean i can acheive this through fontconfig[23:50:59] <e^ipi> S10 still isn't opensolaris[23:51:27] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[23:51:37] <gretel> re[23:51:39] <coollinux> so u mean the procedure would be different on each[23:52:25] <coollinux> can you give me a step by step guide to doing that[23:52:30] <e^ipi> sure[23:52:32] <e^ipi> go to google[23:52:36] *** quenelle has joined #opensolaris[23:52:42] <e^ipi> type in "change locale solaris"[23:52:47] <e^ipi> and then hit "search"[23:53:36] <seanmcg> possibly add 'sunmanagers' to that search.[23:53:47] <eviljames> e^ipi: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=change%20locale%20solaris[23:54:11] <gretel> e^ipi: http://lmgtfy.com/[23:54:21] <gretel> ah exactly :)[23:54:39] <pasky> could someone please run this for me on opensolaris: for l in C en_US en_GB cs_CZ de_DE; do LC_TIME=$l date +"$l %p"; done[23:55:17] <coollinux> thanks e^ipi[23:55:33] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:55:41] *** fftb__ has quit IRC[23:56:32] <coollinux> but one thing i wanted to ask -- just changing the locale would be able to show all the fonts in that lang[23:56:45] <coollinux> doin't i have to load the font path into the x server as well[23:57:20] <e^ipi> why don't you try it?[23:57:22] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[23:57:30] <seanmcg> pasky, %p is 'PM' for all on my box.[23:58:37] <CIA-33> andrew.rutz at sun dot com: 6803721 Reads by iscsitgtd of SMF's underlying SCF database can be truncated[23:58:44] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[23:59:38] *** coollinux has quit IRC[23:59:41] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC