March 17, 2009 
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March 17, 2009 [00:00:25] *** shuman_ has quit IRC[00:02:05] *** dotemacs has joined #opensolaris[00:02:21] <tomww> palowoda: thx. it is really in the area ahci+sata where is goes soooo slow and probably never ends.[00:05:53] <lewellyn> ugh. word to the wise: zones on an ultra 5 take forever to set up ;)[00:06:12] *** cemerick has quit IRC[00:06:20] *** luc^ has quit IRC[00:09:01] <coldsun> I can't boot from live cd. How can it be? Who can help?[00:09:14] *** capaz has quit IRC[00:09:29] <trichobezoar> Your video card is probably stealing your ram. Or you have thousands of zfs in your pool[00:09:55] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[00:09:58] *** dotemacs has quit IRC[00:09:58] <Stric> coldsun: virtual machine? try adding a bit more ram.. it's unfortunately quite memory hungry during install[00:10:47] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[00:11:12] <tomww> palowoda: seems to hang after the sata part (this was a reconfigure reboot, so a little time should be granted), now it waits for long time in cmlb (or sd which loaded together with cmlb?)[00:11:57] *** kevpete has joined #opensolaris[00:12:13] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[00:13:21] <oninoshik1> COMSTAR Fibre Channel Target question: If i make a view that exposes an LU to via multiple FC ports, (such that both ports connect to different switches in the same fabric) will a node accessing this LU recognise that these are multiple paths to the data?[00:14:26] <coldsun> Stric: I have 512MB RAM[00:14:43] <Stric> coldsun: you said that yes.. try adding some more[00:14:47] <coldsun> trichobezoar: I have no ZFS on that PC[00:15:03] <coldsun> Stric: install one more chip?[00:15:40] <Stric> coldsun: I don't know what your setup is, but my guess is that 512M is not enough if it says "out of memory"[00:16:21] <e^ipi> 512M isn't enough period[00:17:16] <coldsun> But at official site I see that 512MB is minimal requirement... Am I right?[00:17:17] *** Garcon_ has quit IRC[00:17:49] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[00:18:25] <MindDrive> Last I knew at least 768MB was needed.[00:18:28] *** wonko has quit IRC[00:18:28] <lewellyn> coldsun: for a text install, 512mb should suffice.[00:18:33] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[00:18:41] <lewellyn> and for a text install, you are currently limited to sxce[00:18:57] <lewellyn> but don't expect blazing performance off 512mb. and don't enable zfs.[00:19:20] <lewellyn> you should also expect to turn off a lot of the services which are enabled by default[00:19:21] <e^ipi> 512 doesn't suffice[00:19:37] <e^ipi> that it's listed as 'minimum requirements' ought to be a bug[00:19:38] <lewellyn> e^ipi: for a bare-minimum, sure.[00:19:40] *** wonko has joined #opensolaris[00:19:42] <e^ipi> at one point it was 768M[00:19:50] <e^ipi> it was lowered not for technical reasons[00:20:09] <e^ipi> but because more than 512M looked bloaty[00:20:12] <coldsun> Ok. So 512MB is not enough. Wright?[00:20:18] <e^ipi> correct[00:20:40] <MindDrive> It's not. Given the cost of memory nowadays, it would be prudent to get it to at least 1GB, if not 2GB or more.[00:23:00] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[00:23:30] <coldsun> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/getstart/sysreq.html[00:23:32] <coldsun> ((([00:23:47] <e^ipi> i paid $200 for 8G of ram[00:24:07] <e^ipi> coldsun: just because the marketing docs say that something is the minimum system requirement doesn't make it the case[00:24:19] <e^ipi> minimum is absolute minimum for it to run[00:24:29] <e^ipi> not run well[00:24:32] <e^ipi> run... boot[00:24:41] <lewellyn> coldsun: with a text install, you can get it to install and run. if you turn off most of the niceties[00:24:44] <e^ipi> it's useless with that little ram[00:24:48] <oninoshik1> I too maxed out my U24 within a month[00:24:54] <palowoda> tomww: Sorry I got distracted. I haven't had any experience with the ahci and sata issues. You might want to bring this up in the device driver discussions. It's interesting that it doesn't hang in the function with xVM.[00:25:03] <oninoshik1> max out memory for*[00:25:09] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:25:45] <lewellyn> currently, i run S10U6 in an Ultra 5 with 512MB RAM. if i were to move to opensolaris (or, eventually, Solaris 11), that machine is surely getting its RAM *maxed*.[00:25:57] *** kate21de1 has joined #opensolaris[00:26:17] <lewellyn> (yes, i use zfs with that 512MB RAM. i advise against it.)[00:26:59] <tomww> palowoda: thx. good idea. I'll see ow I can get the informations out of the box and into driver-disks at o dot org[00:27:13] <coldsun> Ok. I just inserted LIVE CD. Tried to boot using grub... And got error... Something like "(0xfe......) out of memory"[00:27:29] <trichobezoar> Check your bios for ram reservation for video card[00:27:52] <coldsun> And what?[00:27:56] <lewellyn> coldsun: i sincerely doubt you'll get osol running on 512mb. as i said, your best option is sxce.[00:28:00] <lewellyn> and that will be slow.[00:28:17] <lewellyn> and make sure your integrated video is eating 0KB of your ram.[00:28:28] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[00:29:19] <coldsun> lewellyn: how can I use sxce?[00:29:31] <e^ipi> orally[00:29:41] <lewellyn> download it?[00:29:44] <e^ipi> take 2 daily[00:30:35] <lewellyn> i think i have time to go get a coffee... this has been running for over an hour now... Initializing package <536> of <1486>: percent complete: 36%[00:31:04] <lewellyn> coldsun: that's the sort of performance you'll see on 512mb, if you're lucky :)[00:31:05] <infomomo> lewellyn: hello friend! what are you installing?[00:31:17] <lewellyn> a sparse zone[00:31:30] <lewellyn> on 512mb ram :)[00:31:39] <coldsun> lewellyn: I use SXCE[00:31:47] <e^ipi> buy more ram, foo[00:32:16] <coldsun> e^ipi: ) I understood )[00:32:23] <lewellyn> e^ipi: i have to re-find the specs of the correct ram to upgrade an Ultra 5/10 to at least 2gb.[00:32:47] <lewellyn> oh. without it being cheaper to buy an E10K ;)[00:33:08] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[00:33:43] <MindDrive> The memory for the U5/10s weren't quite as bad as other Sun systems, actually...[00:34:00] <lewellyn> someone mentioned somewhere online (can't find the link again) that you can actually install 2GB dimms in a U5/10[00:34:16] *** kleppari has quit IRC[00:34:27] <lewellyn> that'd be 8gb :)[00:35:07] <lewellyn> and craptastic pc memory works at up to 256mb. after that, it needs to meet certain criteria, apparently.[00:35:21] <lewellyn> (i discovered this when i tried dropping a 512mb dimm in mine)[00:35:39] <lewellyn> i found 1gb modules online for $750 each. :([00:35:52] *** jteo has quit IRC[00:36:33] <lewellyn> anyhow. gone.[00:37:12] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris[00:37:53] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[00:38:45] <infomomo> Does Solaris 10 work with "sudo" or it does'nt[00:38:57] <victori> pfexec[00:38:58] <infomomo> i mean is "sudo" the way to go with Solaris 10 >?[00:39:08] <MindDrive> What Victori said.[00:39:28] <MindDrive> Use RBAC in place of 'sudo', unless you're trying to standardize across multiple platforms.[00:40:08] *** joanie has quit IRC[00:41:32] <moolah> hi all[00:41:44] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[00:41:56] <moolah> i tried mounting my root ZFS volume form the install cd to try and regenerate my boot_archive with adm, but it fails with: cannot open rpool/ROOT/opensolaris dataset does not exist[00:43:03] *** kate21de has quit IRC[00:43:13] <MindDrive> moolah, did you import the zpool first?[00:43:20] <moolah> MindDrive: nope[00:43:22] <moolah> should i?[00:43:41] <MindDrive> You'll need to if you're booted from an install CD, yes.[00:43:42] *** cwebber has quit IRC[00:43:47] <moolah> i've done this before and it's worked though[00:43:53] <moolah> oh, do you know the command?[00:44:29] <MindDrive> 'zpool import' - 'man zpool' for more information.[00:44:37] *** e-jat has quit IRC[00:45:11] <moolah> thats so weird, because it worked without having to import it just 10 min ago[00:45:11] *** cemerick has quit IRC[00:45:30] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[00:45:43] *** jfisc has quit IRC[00:45:56] <moolah> thanks[00:45:59] <MindDrive> Sure.[00:47:11] <moolah> so i guess i should import it, then work on regenerating the boot archive[00:48:12] <gretel> well, i'm going to stick with opensolaris on this particular machine[00:48:21] <gretel> freebsd just doesn't feel right anymore[00:48:34] * gretel swaps compact flash[00:48:48] *** rmesta has quit IRC[00:50:51] *** wbkang has quit IRC[00:51:00] *** kate21de1 has quit IRC[00:55:05] *** kevpete has quit IRC[00:55:14] *** coldsun has left #opensolaris[00:56:21] *** gretel_ has joined #opensolaris[00:56:21] *** gretel has quit IRC[00:58:10] *** alfism has quit IRC[00:58:42] <CIA-40> Anders Persson <Anders.Persson at Sun dot COM>: 6810425 System panic's while running snv_109 on WhiteBox QuadXeon[00:58:43] <CIA-40> Anders Persson <Anders.Persson at Sun dot COM>: 6816063 panic in sockfs: recursive mutex_enter, lp=ffffff0187058050 owner=ffffff018961a760 thread=ffffff0189[00:58:44] <CIA-40> Eric Cheng: 6816429 link down/up notifications are not correctly propagated to VNIC/VLANs[01:01:09] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[01:02:09] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[01:05:10] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[01:05:32] *** ikarius has quit IRC[01:09:22] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris[01:10:53] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[01:11:23] <gretel_> doh, crash[01:11:29] *** gretel_ is now known as gretel[01:11:37] <gretel> how do i disable automatic reboot?[01:12:33] <flyingparchment> automatic what?[01:12:40] <gretel> i instantly reboots[01:12:47] <gretel> it, even[01:12:52] <moolah> hello[01:12:59] <flyingparchment> what does? when?[01:13:17] <gretel> i dunno what happens[01:13:23] <moolah> i had a root zpool, i created another one and noww OS won't boot. Any way to fix it, short of deleting the new zpool and reverting?[01:13:26] <gretel> seems like opensolaris crashes and reboots[01:13:27] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[01:13:29] *** marcin__ has joined #opensolaris[01:13:47] <flyingparchment> when?[01:14:12] <gretel> copying more than one file at a time to a zfs pool using cifs[01:15:30] <gretel> got a core dump in /[01:15:57] *** Randello has quit IRC[01:16:45] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[01:18:00] <flyingparchment> so, you should have a kernel crash dump in /var/crash/$(hostname)[01:18:24] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[01:18:25] <flyingparchment> post on the cifs-discuss mailing list and explain what happened, and someone will tell you what to do with it[01:18:30] <gretel> nope[01:19:43] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[01:21:08] <moolah> quick q about the part command[01:21:28] <moolah> is the tag value where OS will mount the partition, if it's usr, will OS mount /usr there?[01:23:05] <gretel> guess one should not use oplocks[01:23:28] *** Chipdancer_ has joined #opensolaris[01:23:54] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[01:24:09] *** esok has quit IRC[01:24:38] *** _burzum_ has quit IRC[01:25:19] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[01:30:58] <CosmicDJ> gretel: http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with I think this will drop you in kmdb instead of rebooting[01:31:24] <gretel> thanks[01:31:46] <gretel> disabled oplock, not crashing anymore[01:31:50] *** Cass has quit IRC[01:32:03] <CosmicDJ> but you should have a coredump in /var/crash/* for post-mortem analysis[01:32:16] <gretel> nope, only in /[01:32:58] *** rv- has quit IRC[01:32:59] <CosmicDJ> kernel crashs are dumped to /var/crash usually[01:33:08] *** stewart_ is now known as stewart[01:34:56] *** zenbalrog has quit IRC[01:37:11] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[01:40:54] *** elektronkind_ is now known as elektronknid[01:41:06] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[01:41:42] *** BlueZeniX_ has quit IRC[01:43:20] *** Chipdancer_ has quit IRC[01:46:42] *** kevpete has joined #opensolaris[01:47:00] *** kevpete has quit IRC[01:47:19] <gkl> hello[01:47:36] *** fr4g has quit IRC[01:48:03] <gkl> I am attempting an install over a serial cable (headless, no X11) but it is saying I do not have enough physical ram[01:50:11] <trichobezoar> how much ram do you have[01:50:24] <trichobezoar> there's no headless install for opensolaris[01:50:38] *** prav33n has quit IRC[01:50:44] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[01:54:14] <gkl> is there a boot flag I can specify to install with minimum memory requiresments?[01:54:28] <gkl> sorry[01:54:31] <gkl> really laggy[01:54:33] <gkl> I have 128MB ram[01:54:47] <eklof> Since / is zfs now it needs more ram i'd say.[01:54:55] <eklof> 128 is not enough :)[01:55:02] <gkl> so I guess I'm completely out of luck, huh?[01:55:06] <gkl> solaris 10 gives me the same issue[01:55:09] <eklof> I have 8GB of ram :)[01:55:16] <eklof> ram is cheap...[01:55:22] <gkl> well this computer is not worth spending money on[01:55:38] <gkl> I have 3GB in this computer I'm using now (sun blade 1000) but this blade 100 is completely minimal[01:55:52] <gkl> I guess I got what I paid for[01:55:58] *** tomochaa has quit IRC[01:56:04] <trichobezoar> 128mb is really thin[01:56:09] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[01:56:09] <eklof> Trash it and buy this: http://www.cray.com/products/CX1.aspx[01:56:11] <trichobezoar> im sure netbsd would be happy[01:56:12] <eklof> :)[01:56:22] <gkl> well I'm not made of money unfortunately[01:56:31] <gkl> I could not pass up a blade 100 for $10[01:56:34] <gkl> but apparently I should have[01:56:38] <eklof> Just kidding. I'd say 1GB is minimum for OpenSolaris.[01:57:06] <gkl> fair enough[01:57:09] <gkl> thank you for the help[01:57:29] <eklof> Np.[01:57:35] <trichobezoar> You could try solaris 8[01:57:45] <gkl> are its memory requirements significantly lower?[01:57:45] <trichobezoar> but you have to pay to download it, or find a friend who has it[01:57:54] <gkl> I don't think so[01:57:55] <eklof> Linux/ext2 would be fine, like debian 5.[01:58:08] <gkl> I downloaded a set of solaris 8 isos from sun's website maybe 8 months ago for free[01:58:13] <gkl> solaris 9 as well[01:58:21] <gkl> I ran into usability issues with my last sb100[01:58:38] <gkl> so I contemplated downgrading to solaris 8 until I got another sparc box to use instead[01:58:40] <CIA-40> Jonathan Chew <jonathan.chew at sun dot com>: 6817282 Need boot properties to disable Solaris kernel from using SRAT, SLIT, and NUMA optimizations[01:58:41] <CIA-40> Mark J. Nelson <Mark.J.Nelson at Sun dot COM>: 6815619 More informative error when SCM_TYPE is not set[01:58:42] <eklof> I'm not sure if one can use some other filesystem than zfs in OpenSolaris? Anyonne know?[01:58:43] <CIA-40> Michael Lim <Michael.Lim at Sun dot COM>: 6783161 dladm cpus property not working when specified at same time as VNIC creation, 6814098 The invalid cmds "flowadm show-flow/dladm show-link -s -i -2" would flush the terminal, 6799927 dladm show-linkprop show cpus=1 when creating vnics with cpus=0, 6796069 dladm set-linkprop for multiple props succeeds even if some values are invalid, 6784050 val_cntp is not correctly initialized for DLADM_PROP_VAL_PERM output.[01:58:50] <gretel> good night[01:58:53] <gkl> can't you use UFS still?[01:58:53] *** gretel has quit IRC[01:59:04] <trichobezoar> hard to tell unless you tell us what you need. but opensolaris wont cut it, and you say solaris10 doesnt either.[01:59:07] <eklof> gkl: maybe, I haven't checked.[01:59:25] <gkl> this is all for fun anyway so it's not a big deal[01:59:35] <gkl> maybe I'll turn the sb150 into a doorstop or something[01:59:41] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[01:59:57] <trichobezoar> netbsd for your 128mb ram thing[02:00:28] <gkl> is it easy to install?[02:00:32] <gkl> I am only vaguely familiar with bsd[02:01:51] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[02:02:21] <trichobezoar> relatively[02:02:56] * trichobezoar shrugs. been a while since i installed it last, and it was netboot to a ss10[02:04:58] *** markee has quit IRC[02:05:41] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[02:05:59] <trichobezoar> clear[02:06:33] *** Odin- has quit IRC[02:07:20] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[02:08:26] *** scoffi1 has quit IRC[02:11:07] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:12:39] *** stevel_ has quit IRC[02:12:58] <nachox> you can still use UFS in opensolaris, just not for the root filesystem[02:13:03] *** Troll_Man_ has joined #opensolaris[02:13:09] <nachox> i cant imagine why you would though[02:13:48] <nachox> BEs depend on zfs clones which are unavailable in UFS[02:14:15] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[02:14:38] <oninoshiko> additionally you can use UFS as the root FS in SXCE (again, I cant imagine why you'd want to)[02:15:10] <gkl> well I use SXCE[02:15:14] <gkl> it's the only thing that works on sparc[02:15:27] <oninoshiko> i mean with root on UFS[02:15:29] *** dunkyp has joined #opensolaris[02:15:32] <oninoshiko> I use SXCE too[02:15:34] <gkl> right[02:15:38] <trichobezoar> I wonder if everybody saying "zfs needs MORE ram" is because of the mistunings Solaris 10 had with it when first released[02:15:44] <qiyong> when will opensolaris be able to online upgrade?[02:15:53] <qiyong> without a CD[02:16:01] <gkl> is sxce different from the opensolaris normal people use?[02:16:05] <trichobezoar> already can[02:16:15] <qiyong> how? which command?[02:16:18] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[02:16:21] <qiyong> trichobezoar:[02:16:24] <oninoshiko> gkl: apperently many use indiana[02:16:27] <trichobezoar> pkg[02:16:36] <gkl> so what's the difference between indiana and nevada?[02:16:40] <oninoshiko> IPS[02:16:42] <gkl> if you don't mind answering[02:16:52] <trichobezoar> qiyong: here's the guide to pkg - http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/docinfo.html[02:17:00] <qiyong> trichobezoar: pkg: Command not found.[02:17:19] <oninoshiko> qiyong: what distrobution are you useing?[02:17:27] <qiyong> trichobezoar: is it in SXCE too?[02:17:37] <trichobezoar> no[02:17:37] <oninoshiko> qiyong: no.[02:18:35] <tomww> palowoda: mailed the painfull slow booting to driver-discuss. good night all.[02:18:56] <oninoshiko> gkl: indiana uses IPS, which uses online repositories. I leave extrapolating the advantages and disadvantages as an exersize to the reader[02:19:49] <dunkyp> is there any realistic way to compile the likes of mplayer vlc etc.[02:20:03] <gkl> thank you[02:20:07] <qiyong> does solaris support ppc?[02:20:13] <dunkyp> I'd also like to make the desktop a bit lighter say running awesome wm instead of gnome[02:20:14] <trichobezoar> no[02:20:17] <oninoshiko> dunkyp: SFE's spec files[02:20:21] <trichobezoar> x86 and sparc[02:20:30] <nachox> qiyong, there is a project to port solaris to ppc though[02:20:35] <qiyong> is there some embeded solaris?[02:20:47] <nachox> what do you mean?[02:20:47] <qiyong> nachox: url?[02:21:09] <oninoshiko> nachox: is that still being actively devleoped? I thought intrest has died[02:21:09] <piwi> qiyong: iirc polaris[02:21:34] <nachox> qiyong, http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ppc-dev/[02:22:02] <nachox> oninoshiko, i have no idea, i think it's stalled, e^ipi might know more[02:23:05] <oninoshiko> well, it's of no consiquence to me. I havent had any PPC machines in years[02:23:11] <nachox> have you seen the output of uptime right after resuming a solaris pc? :)[02:23:19] *** erflungued has joined #opensolaris[02:23:35] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[02:24:36] *** ggeecko has quit IRC[02:24:52] <erflungued> Does anyone know of a gnome interface for ppp on opensolaris?[02:25:19] <dunkyp> sorry to sort of ask the same question again is it possible to lighten indiana and install things like codecs like I can with linux/bsd[02:25:23] <dunkyp> ?[02:25:57] *** comay has quit IRC[02:26:10] <oninoshiko> dunkyp: I just answered the second question, SFE should still have mplayer stuff.[02:26:34] <dunkyp> ok from reading I thought it was just for the other builds[02:26:47] <dunkyp> sorry I'll go read some more :)[02:26:54] <nachox> dunkyp, you can download and install the fluendo plugins to allow totem to play just about any popular format there is, not free though[02:27:29] <oninoshiko> you sould be able to get a SysV package, which can be installed on indiana[02:27:30] <dunkyp> yeah I'd rather go with the free ones if possible[02:27:50] *** piwi has quit IRC[02:28:14] <oninoshiko> nachox: i recall them being free-as-in-beer (mmm... free beer), but not free as in speech[02:28:29] <oninoshiko> at least on SXCE...[02:28:43] <nachox> oninoshiko, the mp3 ones are free as in beer, the rest arent[02:28:50] <oninoshiko> ahh... ok[02:30:09] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[02:30:14] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[02:30:37] <oninoshiko> dunkyp: if the legal encomberances do not apply to your regon, i do beleave SFE does have spec files for building them... should be under the "encumbered" section though[02:31:33] <dunkyp> thanks I'll have a look I'm sure my region has no real issues ;)[02:31:46] * oninoshiko is not responcable for your violation of regional laws[02:32:29] <nachox> hehe[02:32:52] * nachox wonders whether matlab works for opensolaris[02:33:53] <nachox> bah, it needs sparc[02:34:57] <oninoshiko> there is a company that makes a product to let you run solaris/SPARC bins on solaris/x86[02:35:14] <dunkyp> just installing sun studio gcc etc. I'll report back. how come ips is so slow[02:35:33] <oninoshiko> although i would have to dig through my dirty laundry to find the name...[02:35:33] <nachox> ips is slow because... it's slow :)[02:35:54] <nachox> oninoshiko, yeah, i know, ibm bought them i think[02:36:14] <oninoshiko> really? they were at vmworld last year[02:36:30] <oninoshiko> (where i got the shrit)[02:37:45] <nachox> transitive is the company[02:37:57] <oninoshiko> yeah! thats the name...[02:39:08] <oninoshiko> I hate upstream providors -_-[02:40:12] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[02:40:20] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[02:42:13] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[02:42:56] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[02:44:36] *** bbarker|afk is now known as bbarker[02:54:31] <qiyong> is there some solaris outsourcing sites?[02:54:57] <oninoshiko> solaris outsourceing sites?[02:56:04] <qiyong> yes, we provide solaris related devlopment[02:56:32] <oninoshiko> well Sun does[02:57:33] <qiyong> url?[02:57:55] <qiyong> we formed a team here to provide solaris diver developement etc[02:58:37] <CIA-40> Lin Ling <Lin.Ling at Sun dot COM>: 6809691 'zpool create -f' no longer overwrites ufs infomation[02:58:38] <CIA-40> Seth Goldberg <Seth.Goldberg at Sun dot COM>: 6817079 pmconfig -f breaks suspend to ram in build 109, Contributed by Juergen Keil <jrgn.keil at googlemail dot com>.[03:01:02] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[03:01:56] <lewellyn> WOO! that's what i've been waiting to see fixed :D[03:02:04] * lewellyn thanks Juergen Keil[03:02:23] * lewellyn wanders back off[03:02:24] <oninoshiko> qiyong: oh grr, they redid their site[03:05:37] <oninoshiko> qiyong: or do you mean sites to list your outsourcing services[03:05:51] *** infomomo has quit IRC[03:06:00] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[03:06:22] <qiyong> oninoshik i'd like to provide, so looking for buyer[03:08:29] <oninoshiko> Ok, i dont know of any solaris-spacific site. I know my employer uses a site called "eLance," when we are looking for contractors[03:08:58] *** loke__ has joined #opensolaris[03:09:22] *** tomochaa has joined #opensolaris[03:09:39] <oninoshiko> I dont personally know much more.[03:09:46] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[03:14:03] *** moolah has quit IRC[03:14:07] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[03:14:21] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[03:14:30] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[03:17:12] <qiyong> oninoshik ok, thanks, i'll try to use elance too[03:19:46] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[03:22:21] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[03:22:52] *** Gnu_Raiz has joined #opensolaris[03:23:14] *** loke_ has quit IRC[03:23:35] <_dsw> oh dear, just destroyed my macbook..[03:24:02] <_dsw> accidentally dropped it down teh stairz...[03:24:07] <xRaich[o]2x> ouch[03:24:13] <_dsw> indeed[03:24:23] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[03:24:24] <_dsw> :([03:24:33] <_dsw> drunk++[03:28:54] <xRaich[o]2x> dang... i hate it when painkillers stop working -_-[03:33:23] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #opensolaris[03:34:37] <RandalSchwartz> is this a sane place to answer relatively newbie questions on getting an opensolaris instance on ec2 to host my server?[03:34:58] <RandalSchwartz> given that I'm new (well, returning after a decade) to solaris and new to ec2[03:35:20] <RandalSchwartz> or is there someplace better?[03:35:47] *** Wil has joined #opensolaris[03:36:02] <oninoshiko> I dont know much about ec2, but someone might know a bit about hosting on it[03:36:41] <oninoshiko> generally it's best to just ask a question and if someone knows an answer they will probibly speak up[03:37:05] <RandalSchwartz> ok - if this is the place, I'll start here.[03:37:19] <bda> http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/featured-partners/opensolaris/ # ?[03:37:27] <RandalSchwartz> yes - I've seen that[03:37:39] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[03:37:39] <RandalSchwartz> and I'm pretty good at reading things and following things[03:37:48] <RandalSchwartz> I just want some interactive place for when I get stuck[03:38:09] <bda> Dunno anyone here that uses EC2, but we can answer Solaris-ish questions easily enough.[03:38:37] <RandalSchwartz> that's probably a good start[03:38:57] <RandalSchwartz> I interviewed Aaron Newcomb on FLOSS Weekly, and now I want to move to booting from ZFS. :)[03:39:38] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://twit.tv/floss58[03:39:51] <bda> http://blogs.sun.com/ec2/[03:39:58] <RandalSchwartz> yes - I'm reviewing those too[03:40:05] <bda> Solaris 10 and SXCE both have zfsroot.[03:40:19] <RandalSchwartz> yes. the ec2 AMI seems too as well[03:40:28] <RandalSchwartz> i'm waiting for OSX to boot ZFS.[03:40:31] <bda> Well, in OpenSolaris it's not an option. :)[03:40:32] <RandalSchwartz> then my life will be complete. :)[03:40:50] <bda> Seems dubious. Apple is enamored with resforks.[03:40:58] <bda> But possible.[03:41:11] <RandalSchwartz> the osx version of zfs uses attributes to do that.[03:41:17] <RandalSchwartz> so it's already there.[03:41:34] <bda> So it doesn't have the same problems as UFS on OS X.[03:41:36] *** cypromis has quit IRC[03:41:54] <nachox> solaris 10 has zfs boot? since when?[03:41:54] <RandalSchwartz> well - osx has long ago learned to put things in "._foo" for "foo"'s resfork[03:41:57] <bda> nachox: U6.[03:42:01] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[03:42:03] <RandalSchwartz> so it works even on UFS when needed[03:42:15] *** alain10 has quit IRC[03:42:16] <bda> RandalSchwartz: UFS on OS X has other issues for applications that don't take it into account.[03:42:22] <RandalSchwartz> yeah[03:42:22] <bda> Case sensitivity being the leading cause of grump.[03:42:28] <nachox> bda, only though the text installer or flash right?[03:42:34] <RandalSchwartz> right. some things don't like the case sensitivity[03:42:40] <bda> nachox: Text installer, flash, Jumpstart, Live Upgrade...[03:43:29] <bda> Actually, not sure about Flash. Don't use 'em.[03:43:41] <RandalSchwartz> well - now that I have this backstop... I'll keep learning. 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Recommendations to have one replicate to the other? Basically im hoping to build in some redundancy[05:07:47] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[05:07:50] <deena> HI[05:08:27] <deena> audio sound is not coming in opensolaris[05:08:42] <deena> does anyone have idea on this?[05:09:00] <ken-zZz> deena: whats your hardware ?[05:10:26] <e^ipi> MACscr: why?[05:10:37] <deena> root@belenix:~# modinfo | grep -i audio[05:10:37] <e^ipi> either mirror the pool, or set copies=2[05:10:37] <deena> 166 fffffffff7dd9000 44a8 166 1 audiovia823x (mixer audio driver 1.2)[05:11:29] <deena> i showed modinfo output[05:12:11] <MACscr> e^ipi: you can't mirorr two different pools on two different systems can you? the point for the redundancy is for HA. Aka, is if system X goes down, system Y is still available[05:12:19] <e^ipi> ahh[05:12:22] <e^ipi> misunderstood[05:12:28] <e^ipi> then use solaris cluster[05:12:54] <e^ipi> it does that[05:13:41] <MACscr> maybe, but im only looking for something for the SAN, not my entire cluster (I use CentOS for that)[05:14:29] <oninoshiko> you could use a software raid-1 i suppose... you also might look at a cluster aware FS[05:16:30] <deena> ken-zZz - i have given modinfo out[05:19:07] *** jaek is now known as jaek_away[05:20:34] <e^ipi> MACscr: solaris cluster *nod*[05:20:48] <e^ipi> also called openhacluster[05:20:55] <MACscr> eh, don't like the licensing costs for SC[05:21:10] <flyingparchment> what licensing costs?[05:21:41] <MACscr> from what I read, there are high licensing costs for SC[05:21:50] <flyingparchment> there are no licensing costs[05:22:02] <flyingparchment> the only thing you have to pay for is support, if you want it... since you use centos, you probably don't[05:24:04] <MACscr> hmm, so what's the difference between solaris and opensolaris?[05:24:38] <MACscr> is it like fedora and rhel?[05:24:44] <flyingparchment> solaris is a stable OS with commercial support, opensolaris is the development tree of what will become solaris 11[05:24:55] <flyingparchment> people compare it to fedora/rhel but i dont think that's a useful comparison[05:25:05] <jbk> though you can get support for the current release (2008.11)[05:25:06] <MACscr> why not? that's basically exactly the same thing[05:25:23] <flyingparchment> hm, so did a specific fedora release become rhel 5?[05:25:43] <oninoshiko> flyingparchment: i beleave you will find that opensolaris is a supported product too[05:25:45] <MACscr> ah, so they do it exactly like that?[05:26:10] <oninoshiko> or atleast that support for it is a product[05:26:18] <MACscr> so all versions of solaris are free as well? without support of course[05:26:23] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[05:27:23] <oninoshiko> no, versions prior to 8 are not free, AFAIK[05:27:38] <flyingparchment> 10 is free, which is the only version you should care about nowadays. you could download or buy media (depending on release) for prior versions, but i think there were commercial restrictions on that[05:28:12] <MACscr> right, I more meant distributions, aka, SC and whatever others they have[05:29:29] <flyingparchment> SC isn't a version of solaris, it's a layered product. you install it on top of solaris[05:30:05] <MACscr> my apologies, guess layer would be a better way to state it[05:30:15] <flyingparchment> most sun software is free now[05:30:23] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[05:30:57] <flyingparchment> all of JES, at least (the web server / mail server / java app server / cluster / etc)[05:34:54] *** blahee has quit IRC[05:34:59] *** blahee has joined #opensolaris[05:34:59] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC[05:39:33] <lesterc> zfs saved the day again - power outage knocked 3 out of 10 disks (with 2 spares) off an array yet the whole thing keeps running until I notice 2 days after![05:39:56] <lesterc> I was luckily that the failed disks are not in the same mirrored vdev.[05:40:02] <oninoshiko> lesterc: you need to get some monitoring in there[05:41:06] <lesterc> oninoshiko: yes - what's politically correct way to do it?[05:41:27] <lesterc> I can run zpool status -x in a cron script but is there a built-in function there?[05:42:37] <oninoshiko> lesterc: Nagios seems a popular way to do monitoring. you whould just need a script that ran "zpool status -x"[05:43:33] <oninoshiko> we use an in-house developed monitoring package that runs that command on the monitored hosts.[05:43:34] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[05:48:03] <lesterc> oninoshiko: yeah I have a nagios setup for other simple monitoring - maybe it's time to figure out how to get it to monitor my zpools. 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They offer mostly various parts of sheep and oxen, some of which the decency forbids me to mention, and IMO, of doubtful culinary interest.[07:24:43] <lewellyn> you ate a whole mongolian?[07:25:11] *** Ry-austin has joined #opensolaris[07:25:18] <Ry-austin> woot.[07:26:07] <palowoda> I get the picture.[07:26:14] <lewellyn> hey ry[07:26:29] <lewellyn> this "portable" software? isn't :P[07:26:38] <lblume> No, he was singing some shepherd song nobody understood, despite the wide range of languages at our table. Probably about the love and loss of sheeps, I'd bet.[07:26:48] <lewellyn> i've been hacking at its configure script trying to get it to build :([07:26:58] <lewellyn> lblume: mostly the love, i bet ;)[07:27:04] <Ry-austin> Hey le.[07:27:05] <Ry-austin> w[07:27:20] <Ry-austin> getting 2 mbits a second via sprint evdo modem here.[07:27:22] <lewellyn> Ry-austin: i think i found an ssh client. :)[07:27:25] <lewellyn> oh sweet[07:27:28] <Ry-austin> for some reason austin's network is way better.[07:27:44] <Ry-austin> my phone is like instant... bay area sucks for network heh. whta ssh client?[07:27:45] <palowoda> lblume: I'm about to make a French veal stock which I found out is going to take some effort.[07:27:48] <lewellyn> less oversaturated, i bet.[07:27:54] <lblume> There seemed to be some tragedy in that love, however.[07:27:56] <Ry-austin> Yeah, that too[07:28:22] <lewellyn> i don't remember the name of the client off the top of my head. but it doesn't crash, it has font selection, it's smartphone-friendly, and it seems to deal with screen fine[07:28:31] <lblume> MidpSSH?[07:28:39] <lewellyn> screw this. building without ssl. i'll use stunnel, dammit.[07:28:45] <lewellyn> lblume: no midp on my phone. :([07:28:48] <Ry-austin> yeah, securecrt seems to make my machine act weird.[07:28:50] <lewellyn> i only have 40mb application space :P[07:29:33] <lblume> palowoda: French veal? How come the poor baby cow was sent to you without parental protection?[07:29:38] <lewellyn> ah. it's "PocketTTY"[07:29:43] <Ry-austin> heh[07:29:48] <Ry-austin> oh for the cell phone[07:29:48] <lewellyn> i recall it not working when i tried it the first time[07:30:03] <lewellyn> yeah.[07:30:03] <Ry-austin> yeah, that's what I use along with zatelnet pro[07:30:10] <lewellyn> only problem is that there's no control key :([07:30:21] <lewellyn> and esc is well-buried[07:30:22] <lblume> Ah, it's a Windows thing[07:30:25] <palowoda> A Frech style veal stock. Takes about 24 hrs to make.[07:31:04] <palowoda> You boil the baby cows over and over.[07:31:26] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[07:31:29] *** lesterc has quit IRC[07:31:37] <lblume> I don't have enough renminbi to afford thoe, even a fake one. I went on a cheap Nokia, and got it to ssh out (to Solaris)[07:32:05] <lewellyn> that's all i care about: sshing to solaris :P[07:32:14] <lewellyn> best i've found is plain ol telnet, so far :([07:32:19] <lewellyn> and like hell i'm going to use THAT[07:32:31] <lblume> palowoda: I love baby cows like that, but there are more than one way to do it in France, I'll look over that French one you mention :-)[07:33:34] <lblume> telnet over China Mobile network, I wouldn't, either :-)[07:34:07] <palowoda> Well what ever it's a French reciepe for beer marinated short ribs with veal stock. Figgen thing is going to take two days to make.[07:34:20] <lblume> I carefully checked the key fingerprint, and was quite bothered at first that the client gives the DSA one, not RSA as others do.[07:34:39] <lblume> *beer*?[07:34:47] <Ry-austin> listening to trance away from the gf doing some work on compouters... good times[07:34:49] <lblume> Are you sure it's not German or Belgian?[07:35:03] <lblume> The ones I know tend to involve wine.[07:35:12] <palowoda> Yep Belgian beer, but it's a French reciepe.[07:35:28] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris[07:35:41] <palowoda> recipe[07:36:02] <lblume> Dammit, beer here is cheaper than wie. I got to find that recipe and find dead baby cows or some suitable substitute.[07:36:15] <lewellyn> oh god. this "portable" software requires strsep. that's enough of this crap.[07:36:30] <palowoda> Good wine is in no short supply around here.[07:37:33] <lblume> Yeah, you happen to live in one of those blessed regions. Here, it's still a few years away. They're getting off the habit of sugaring it, at least.[07:39:58] *** dunkyp has quit IRC[07:44:12] <e^ipi> palowoda: i'm usually pretty unimpressed with california wine[07:44:56] <e^ipi> but i drink 1) dry and 2) red, california doesn't really do either well IME[07:45:17] <Ry-austin> it's all about the fruit bomb dude![07:45:20] <Ry-austin> :)[07:45:40] <palowoda> If you ever get out here I can show you some of the family winers. I usally budget about 2k for wine purchases a year.[07:45:52] <e^ipi> Ry-austin: meh, not to my taste[07:45:57] <Ry-austin> Yeah.[07:46:18] <e^ipi> palowoda: i have been out there, we've met before @ SVOSUG[07:46:38] <lblume> palowoda: Be careful that the 321 persons cnonected don't show up to your door :-)[07:46:40] <palowoda> Yeah but the nappa valley is way north of that.[07:47:34] <palowoda> The last case of wine I got was a White Crane Cab for 525.00. Stuff was worth 100.00 a bottle if you ask me.[07:47:40] *** gerard131 has joined #opensolaris[07:48:02] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[07:49:02] <lblume> My palate won't discriminate much above 50EUR / bottle, I' afraid.[07:49:07] <palowoda> Unfortunate they only produce about 300 cases a year.[07:50:08] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[07:50:33] *** gerard131 has quit IRC[07:50:37] <sickness> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/jsp/descFile.jsp?url=descAll/how_to_use_zfs_and_ <- why this link doesn't work? :'''[07:50:38] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[07:50:52] <sickness> (http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/home/index.jsp <- found here)[07:51:34] <palowoda> What is really funny is I found a winery in the middle of the Alexander valley that has great Zin's and I can't believe it they live in moble homes and you go into the barn for tasting.[07:51:34] *** estibi has quit IRC[07:52:15] <lblume> sickness: Scroll to the bottom of the page, click on Contact Sun, then on Enquiries and Feedback.[07:52:50] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[07:53:27] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris[07:53:47] <lblume> palowoda: For the sake of it? Where do they keep the wine? Mobile homes, too?[07:54:11] <palowoda> Nah I drink it before it gets warm. :)[07:54:16] <Ry-austin> lol[07:54:42] *** gerard131 has joined #opensolaris[07:56:48] <palowoda> Actually when I have dinner parties it's easy to lose 3 or 4 bottles with 15 to 20 guests.[07:57:00] <lblume> I'm kind of wondering about drink red wines in real hot Californian summers.... On the sea-front, should be ok, but inland? Well, I've only been down in SoCal, I don't know how it is in the SF area :-)[07:57:31] <e^ipi> lblume: what, storing it or drinking it?[07:57:47] <lblume> 5 persons/bottle sounds very reasonable.[07:58:23] <lblume> e^ipi: Both.[07:58:40] <CIA-40> jmcp <James.McPherson at Sun dot COM>: Added tag onnv_111 for changeset fdba8b9800fa[07:58:42] <e^ipi> lblume: same way they'd do it in france... keep it in a cellar[07:59:03] <e^ipi> underground it's all the same temperature[07:59:19] <palowoda> I don't know, good wine is a waste if you can't have good food and share it.[07:59:23] <lblume> But they don't have castles![07:59:32] <e^ipi> lblume: no, but they have dirt[07:59:35] <e^ipi> and they can dig in to it[07:59:52] <e^ipi> you can also buy a refrigerator designed specifically for wine... keeps it at cellar temperature[07:59:57] <lblume> Without building a castle on the top of the hole, it sounds like cheating.[08:00:22] <lblume> Yes, I've seen those. I wish I had one, actually. They don't dig, here :-/[08:01:40] <e^ipi> BC makes "wine", but it's not very good[08:01:49] <e^ipi> except the ice wine, which is supposed to be pretty decent[08:02:15] <e^ipi> just tastes like sugar to me though[08:02:27] <lblume> I've tried a little of that when I was south of the border, but they're really beer drinkers there.[08:02:50] <lblume> They didn't notice when a wine bottle had gone bad.[08:02:52] <e^ipi> zee germans?[08:03:03] <lblume> Mexicans.[08:03:48] <e^ipi> oh[08:03:52] *** Posterdati has quit IRC[08:04:13] <Ry-austin> are you a mexican? Or a mexicant!?[08:04:30] *** ocr has quit IRC[08:04:34] <lblume> Nah, but used to have Mexican family in law.[08:04:56] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[08:05:09] <lblume> I'm European, the French part of it :-)[08:06:00] <e^ipi> one of these days i'm going to have to end up in france[08:06:02] *** div111 has joined #opensolaris[08:07:05] <e^ipi> & embarrass myself with my horrible, horrible french, which is both rusty and underdeveloped on the one hand, and quebecois on the other ( my teachers were all from montreal )[08:08:42] <Ry-austin> Love AAC+ streams[08:09:04] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[08:11:51] <lblume> e^ipi: Be careful to avoid the strike days. It's becoming increasingly difficult. French believe that you fight worldwide crises by going in the streets and shouting your disagreement with it..[08:12:01] <tnelson> Is console login via serial port enabled by default?[08:12:12] <e^ipi> lblume: i expected that[08:12:13] <tnelson> I'm about to reboot a remote box and I'm almost certain it won't come back.[08:12:13] <Ry-austin> tnelson nope[08:12:18] <e^ipi> i'm also not sure that france has elections[08:12:28] <e^ipi> i'm relatively certain they just have revolutions every 6 years or so[08:12:31] <Ry-austin> not unless you installed via serial ( or that may have changed since b90"[08:12:36] <tnelson> hummm.[08:13:17] <tnelson> My google-fu is sucking; can you point me at the relevant file?[08:13:25] *** joanie has quit IRC[08:13:38] <Ry-austin> tnelson, sure. should be svcs -a |grep console[08:14:03] <Ry-austin> there's a terminfo file in etc... but I don't remember it off the top of my head[08:14:07] <tnelson> online 10:27:25 svc:/system/console-login:default[08:14:07] <tnelson> muahah[08:14:09] <tnelson> sweet.[08:14:17] <Ry-austin> may not be serial console[08:14:34] <Ry-austin> but you should be able to google that with 'serial' and et to the right place.[08:16:30] *** sophokles has quit IRC[08:17:56] <lblume> e^ipi: Well, I've noticed how cute people are when after 5 or 6 years, they discover with utter shock that their elected leaders ddid not fulfill their promises. Or at least, only fulfilled the ones they didn't want. And their bewildered eyes when you tell them that, duh, it's been like that like, forever or so. Must be some side-effect of good wine :-)[08:18:18] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:18:50] <e^ipi> and then they install a tiny, tiny dictator who invades europe... or get invaded by a normal-sized dictator, or have horrible bloody revolution[08:19:05] <e^ipi> in none of these scenarios does an election happen ;)[08:19:58] <lblume> *liberates* Europe, please. It's poor us getting invaded by ungrateful hordes of deluded masses.[08:21:01] <e^ipi> britain was largely spared from most of that because it's a hassle to take a boat somewhere[08:21:34] <lblume> But we can proudly boast to have been the last ones to invade them.[08:21:46] <e^ipi> they were also spared from the horrors of having civilization imposed on them by the romans, and have been compensating ever since[08:22:01] <lblume> Early last millenium.[08:22:36] <lblume> So they got French words for food, but alas - not the recipes.[08:23:09] <e^ipi> lol[08:24:03] <trochej> Coffee[08:24:20] <lblume> They've come visiting us regularly since then to try and get those.[08:24:31] <trochej> Better that revolution, much better than election and almost as good as an erection put to good use.[08:24:45] <lblume> Ah, no, not coffee, I said I was goig to take a nap.[08:24:53] <trochej> So?[08:24:59] <e^ipi> lblume: i'm convinced the entire british empire was a result of them searching for better food[08:25:17] <trochej> Probably[08:25:18] <e^ipi> hence, india, china, the caribbean[08:25:19] <trochej> Coffee?[08:25:41] <trochej> lblume: you can squeeze a small cup of coffee before the nap, I assure you[08:25:55] <e^ipi> trochej: espresso is 2oz or thereabouts[08:26:12] <trochej> e^ipi: 2oz?[08:26:13] <lblume> They would'nt recognize good food if it slapped them in the face.[08:26:27] <e^ipi> trochej: 60ml[08:26:53] <palowoda> I think trochej has about 2lbs of caffine in his system at any giving time. It's not going to make a difference.[08:27:14] * lblume hates the Brit government for lobbying the EU to allow 5% of chemically modified fat in chocolate, to make their brown stuff legal[08:27:55] <Ry-austin> Hrm, anyone know how I can map drives listed in fmtopo ( sas drive serial ) to format's output??? Or is it not the serial I'm looking for?[08:27:56] <lblume> I think trochej could be roasted and used to make coffee.[08:32:17] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:33:18] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[08:33:52] <e^ipi> you think he's too green?[08:34:36] <fraggeln> I have a compileissue, this maybe the wrong forum, but ill give it a try anyway[08:34:41] <fraggeln> http://pastebin.com/d3ce3367a[08:36:53] <trochej> 60ml?[08:37:22] <trochej> Ohh, I recall those tiny things they sell coffee in. I alywas thought it was supposed to be used in sewing.[08:37:27] <trochej> But what do I know?[08:37:31] <lewellyn> Ry-austin: no, these are not the droids you are looking for.[08:39:15] <fraggeln> what is the solaris equivalent to linux pkg-config?[08:39:21] <trochej> And I will have you know that I had only one coffee yesterday.[08:39:27] <trochej> In seven mugs[08:39:28] <fraggeln> I want to static link stuff :)[08:40:12] <Chipdancer> how do I identify if a sparc system is 32 or 64 bit?[08:40:24] <fraggeln> Chipdancer: sparc is always 64bit :)[08:40:48] <Chipdancer> fraggeln: that's what I thought, however, I have a SunBlade 150 here.... and wanted to confirm[08:40:52] <e^ipi> fraggeln: it's "pkg-config"[08:40:59] <fraggeln> e^ipi: are you sure?[08:41:11] <fraggeln> since there doesnt seem to be a --static option to solaris pkg-config[08:41:13] <Stric> Chipdancer: isainfo -kv[08:41:20] <e^ipi> $ which pkg-config[08:41:28] <e^ipi> /usr/bin/pkg-config[08:41:33] <e^ipi> yep...[08:41:35] <fraggeln> /usr/bin/pkg-config[08:41:37] <e^ipi> pretty sure[08:42:07] <Stric> fraggeln: static linking is pretty much unsupported on solaris nowadays.. no static libc etc..[08:42:19] *** mustang has joined #opensolaris[08:42:32] <fraggeln> Stric: ohh[08:42:57] <Stric> it's not like the static linked apps are very portable on linux either (glibc, nss modules etc)[08:43:13] <Stric> so what problem are you trying to solve?[08:43:21] <fraggeln> Stric: http://pastebin.com/d3ce3367a[08:43:37] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[08:43:45] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:44:12] <palowoda> An undefined symbol?[08:44:20] <e^ipi> you're missing clock_gettime[08:44:21] <Stric> fraggeln: .. and..?[08:44:27] <e^ipi> so... how does static linking help you?[08:45:02] <fraggeln> e^ipi: it was a clue I got from google and some post on a forum[08:45:13] <e^ipi> from someone clueless?[08:45:25] <fraggeln> aparently :)[08:45:33] <Stric> fraggeln: it's in -lrt[08:45:37] <Stric> fraggeln: as the man page says[08:45:38] <fraggeln> so, next stupid question, how do I get clock_gettime? :)[08:45:51] <palowoda> He beat you to it.[08:45:51] <Ry-austin> oh GOD finally figured this out[08:46:06] <lewellyn> Ry-austin: now figure out my problems :([08:46:06] <Ry-austin> prtconf -v /dev/rdsk/<device> grep for the serial number your a looking for.[08:46:09] <Ry-austin> hhe[08:46:15] <Ry-austin> I'm going to get under 5 hours sleep as it is.[08:46:20] <Ry-austin> and it was a long few days already :/[08:46:28] <Stric> Ry-austin: iostat -En ?[08:47:15] <Ry-austin> hmm, it enumerates into ^sdXX[08:47:40] <Ry-austin> no serial either :/ but thanks.[08:47:53] <fraggeln> Stric: I need to add -lrt to some line in the makefile?[08:48:08] <Stric> fraggeln: bingo[08:48:54] *** Randello has quit IRC[08:48:58] <fraggeln> Stric: thank you very much.[08:50:10] *** bizkut_ has joined #opensolaris[08:50:14] <lewellyn> Ry-austin: i'm just looking for a *tiny* webserver that does ssl and cgi. hell, i don't even need it to serve static files :P[08:50:31] <lewellyn> nothing i find is portable enough to compile on solaris :P[08:50:51] <Ry-austin> well, write a shitty one :)[08:50:54] *** gerard131 has quit IRC[08:51:28] <palowoda> How about lighthttp[08:52:18] <Ry-austin> it's late.[08:52:22] <Ry-austin> I just typoed history[08:52:25] <Ry-austin> "shitory"[08:52:28] <Ry-austin> that made me laugh out loud.[08:52:53] <lewellyn> as opposed quietly inside?[08:52:57] <fraggeln> Stric: sorry to bother you again, but do you have any idea on where to put the -lrt-flag? :)[08:52:59] <Ry-austin> up[08:53:17] <e^ipi> in the linker flags[08:53:26] *** bbarker is now known as bbarker|tryingsl[08:53:33] *** bbarker|tryingsl is now known as bbarker|sleep[08:53:52] <Ry-austin> YES[08:53:52] <fraggeln> e^ipi: Im no developer im afraid, but linker is ld right?[08:54:03] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:54:09] <Ry-austin> one by one, I will find out which drives are apped to which physical bays. I'll create a pool and go to sleep.[08:54:09] <trochej> God! I just got blood running out of my nose.[08:54:15] <e^ipi> correct[08:54:19] <trochej> Did I drink not enough coffee?[08:54:29] <fraggeln> I got it![08:54:31] <e^ipi> though the -l flags might be tacked in with the compiler line[08:54:32] <fraggeln> thansks guys![08:54:44] * lewellyn waits for fraggeln to discover -lnsl and -lsocket[08:55:01] <fraggeln> gcc: -lrt: linker input file unused because linking not done[08:55:03] <fraggeln> ohh.[08:55:05] <codestr0m> trochej: you okej.. you're not near a windoo machine are you?[08:55:09] <e^ipi> lewellyn: it does tend to make compiling things easier[08:55:18] <fraggeln> I think I did something wrong :)[08:55:32] <lewellyn> e^ipi: sometimes ;)[08:55:37] <Ry-austin> fuck, this aint right[08:55:43] <e^ipi> though ISTR all that stuff was being migrated in to libc?[08:56:14] <trochej> lewellyn: What those two do?[08:56:30] <trochej> codestr0m: Nah, I'm working from home this week, I'm near a window, but not a window machine[08:56:37] <lewellyn> trochej: that'll get your code online, usually ;)[08:57:14] <lewellyn> e^ipi: dunno. i'm building on S10U6 atm. i can't wait for the day when nsl and socket don't have to be "remembered" :P[08:57:26] <trochej> I thought that google code does that. :)[08:59:16] <lewellyn> erm. google code is a wannabe sourceforge, i thought[08:59:19] *** pjd has quit IRC[08:59:30] <Ry-austin> okay this does work. I just wasn't giving prtconf any args. wow I'm tired.[08:59:44] * lewellyn hands ry a venom[09:00:09] <Ry-austin> Ugghh.[09:00:37] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[09:01:54] * trochej hands Ry-austin a mug of coffee[09:02:18] <Ry-austin> blarg, never get any sleep then[09:02:35] <Ry-austin> 4.5 hours of sleep if I stop right now :/[09:03:31] *** DLange has quit IRC[09:03:39] *** pjd has joined #opensolaris[09:03:49] *** DLange has joined #opensolaris[09:06:04] *** e1kg has quit IRC[09:06:14] *** gaveen has quit IRC[09:06:16] <trochej> I had shitty night. Kids decided that it would be a good idea to keep their dad awake.[09:06:23] <backspace> Hehe[09:07:07] <Ry-austin> "it's a good idea to have kids for dinner! the other white meat"[09:07:20] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[09:08:27] *** bizkut_ has left #opensolaris[09:09:11] *** sartek_ has quit IRC[09:11:41] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:14:13] <DTEIT> morning[09:21:32] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[09:25:29] <lewellyn> Ry-austin: ro says "too fatty"[09:25:40] <Ry-austin> heh[09:26:59] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[09:27:23] <trochej> Khm[09:27:38] <lewellyn> oh. awesome. gotta play with this later! http://anemoi.com/files/safe_identd.tar.gz[09:27:42] <lewellyn> erm. wrong link[09:27:45] <lewellyn> http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator[09:27:47] <lewellyn> that one :)[09:28:31] <fkr> vimperator roxors[09:32:11] <trochej> :)[09:36:37] <lewellyn> sucks that it appears to be firefox-only[09:37:10] <hrist> well there is one for thunderbird and songbird too :P\[09:37:24] <hrist> and I think I've seen somethnig for opera too somewhere on the web[09:38:33] <trochej> I saw screenshot of chrome[09:41:03] <lewellyn> i just want it to work in seamonkey. screw firefox's excess bloat with no features demanding it :P[09:41:18] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[09:41:20] <lewellyn> trochej: i'm unimpressed by chrome. it's slower than stock webkit, IME[09:41:54] <trochej> Maybe[09:42:24] <trochej> It's the only browser besides safari that properly renders our internal systems[09:42:37] *** myosound has quit IRC[09:42:58] <lewellyn> heh. that'd be because it's based on stale webkit code[09:44:56] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:45:19] <lewellyn> oh hey. chrome's actually almost up-to-date vs safari on webkit now[09:45:27] <lewellyn> how come it's so much slower, then? :P[09:49:32] <trochej> Because it can[09:50:14] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[09:50:59] <lewellyn> i blame the forking[09:53:40] *** socketErr has joined #opensolaris[09:53:40] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[09:54:33] <trochej> I blame the working[09:55:07] <lewellyn> speaking of working, not doing enough of that. time for caffeine. back soon.[09:55:14] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[09:55:23] *** ken is now known as ken-work[09:55:29] <trochej> Cofee...[09:55:37] <trochej> hmm[09:56:45] <trochej> Naah[09:56:49] <trochej> Will take a break[09:57:05] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[09:57:52] <palowoda> tomww: I just seen your post on the device driver list with the KN9 motherboard problem and upgrade to 110. I just remembered I have the same motherboard.[10:00:01] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[10:02:02] <Ry-austin> I do believe it's time to sleep[10:02:19] <Ry-austin> time to get up in 3 hours and 50 minutes. FUCK.[10:02:30] * Stric just got to work ;)[10:03:22] <Ry-austin> omfg[10:03:24] <Ry-austin> this build has top[10:04:07] <bda> Great.[10:04:15] <bda> And by great, I mean why.[10:04:23] * Stric waits for the omglolwtfbbqtopsucksuseprstatinstead[10:04:25] <palowoda> I thought Brendan proved top was inaccuate.[10:04:33] *** nichol has joined #opensolaris[10:04:33] <Ry-austin> prstat![10:04:37] <Ry-austin> hack the planet!![10:04:47] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[10:05:17] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[10:05:42] <bda> Er.[10:07:49] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[10:08:44] <Ry-austin> on last thing, lets see what dslreports says about this evdo modem in austin at this time of day... I have almost no keyboard latency on this ssh session[10:09:40] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[10:10:28] <Ry-austin> 600kbps UP[10:10:43] <Ry-austin> 925 down... whie playing aac+ stream[10:10:44] <Ry-austin> jesus[10:12:42] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[10:13:21] *** vishalsaraswat24 has joined #opensolaris[10:14:52] *** ken-work has quit IRC[10:15:50] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:22:04] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[10:22:12] <lewellyn> top may be inaccurate, but it placates the masses[10:27:19] <trochej> Which build?[10:27:26] <trochej> Wow[10:27:28] <trochej> It does![10:27:31] <trochej> It does![10:27:35] <trochej> Why?[10:28:10] *** Trident has quit IRC[10:28:18] * trochej rm /usr/bin/top; ln -s /usr/bin/prstat /usr/bin/top[10:28:19] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris[10:28:31] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[10:30:18] <vishalsaraswat24> hi I need some help on kstat[10:30:43] <vishalsaraswat24> I was trying to get and set the arguments on NIC[10:30:47] *** Trident has quit IRC[10:30:50] <vishalsaraswat24> using ndd[10:30:53] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris[10:31:12] *** devians__ has joined #opensolaris[10:31:14] <lewellyn> btw, what's inaccurate about top besides how it reports swap and multi-cpu usage?[10:31:22] <vishalsaraswat24> and after that when I check the ifspeed it comes out to be 0[10:31:35] <lewellyn> and the latter is arguably a "design decision"[10:32:09] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[10:32:20] <vishalsaraswat24> any help?[10:33:22] <vishalsaraswat24> this is wht I do -[10:33:54] <asyd> \_o<[10:34:16] <trochej> Coffee[10:34:47] * lewellyn debates between apple juice and rc cola[10:34:55] * lewellyn takes aim at asyd[10:35:19] <asyd> pfff, got an hangover, again[10:35:44] <trochej> You got hung?[10:36:43] <vishalsaraswat24> this is wht I do -[10:36:44] <vishalsaraswat24> speed=`kstat -p nge:0 | grep ifspeed | grep mac | awk '{print $2}'`[10:36:44] <vishalsaraswat24> ndd /dev/nge0 \? | while read LINE; do[10:36:44] <vishalsaraswat24> "get and set all the arguments of NIC"[10:36:44] <vishalsaraswat24> done[10:36:44] <vishalsaraswat24> later_speed=`kstat -p nge:0 | grep ifspeed | grep mac | awk '{print $2}'`[10:37:26] <vishalsaraswat24> speed comes out to be 100000000[10:37:37] <vishalsaraswat24> and later_speed=0[10:38:15] *** lesterc_ has joined #opensolaris[10:38:18] <vishalsaraswat24> so my question is getting/setting which argument can affect it[10:38:29] *** jmdtcy has joined #opensolaris[10:38:56] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[10:39:33] *** devians_ has quit IRC[10:43:28] <asyd> vishalsaraswat24: man dladm if you run opensolaris[10:46:00] *** fenris_ has quit IRC[10:46:46] *** taltamir has quit IRC[10:47:08] *** e-jat has quit IRC[10:47:58] *** e1mer has quit IRC[10:49:47] <lewellyn> yeah. i've not tried using ndd on anything newer than solaris 10, myself[10:51:06] *** gorem has joined #opensolaris[10:54:18] *** nichol has quit IRC[10:55:34] *** lesterc has quit 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link? :)[13:21:53] <zaarg> yeah :)[13:22:22] <zaarg> could be a dodgy cable i guess, but other interfaces are 'running' without anything connected to them[13:22:50] <fraggeln> dladm show-link gives UP for state?[13:23:57] *** ericjray has quit IRC[13:24:05] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[13:25:24] <zaarg> actuallly...no :|[13:26:29] <flyingparchment> using psets, is it possible to limit a zone to 4 CPUs, while allowing those cpus to be used in the global zone as well?[13:31:48] <zaarg> how can identical network cards have the ports in a different order?-S[13:31:55] <zaarg> oh well....fixed![13:32:56] *** B|nTaRa-- has quit IRC[13:33:13] *** B|nTaRa-- has joined #opensolaris[13:33:42] *** ihammers has joined #opensolaris[13:34:54] *** B|nTaRa has quit IRC[13:35:02] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[13:43:39] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[13:46:16] *** siamba has joined #opensolaris[13:46:30] <siamba> hm[13:46:33] <siamba> <_<[13:46:43] * siamba needs help with zones[13:47:19] <siamba> how should i sysidcfg zones after zoneadm install?[13:47:56] <siamba> is it right way to just create /etc/sysidcfg && rm /etc/.UNCONFIGURED?[13:48:06] <siamba> >_>[13:48:36] <zaarg> can i use the same ip on two interfaces?[13:48:59] <DerSaidin> its called trunking[13:49:04] <asyd> not a good idea[13:49:12] <DerSaidin> why is that?[13:49:37] <asyd> DerSaidin: trunking is nice, but same ip on two interfaces is not a good one :)[13:49:49] <DerSaidin> so trunking is still a good idea?[13:50:35] <siamba> trunking as lacp?[13:56:31] <siamba> so..[14:00:33] <DerSaidin> http://breden.org.uk/2008/04/05/home-fileserver-trunking/[14:00:38] <DerSaidin> although thats a little old[14:01:21] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[14:02:22] <siamba> oh, ok, i used 'zlogin zonne' instead of 'zlogin -C zonne' ;)[14:03:03] * Zaba 's server (freebsd) has 2 interfaces with same IPs[14:03:42] <asyd> classic mistake[14:03:49] <Zaba> different subnets though[14:04:35] <Zaba> well, prefix lengths, actually, 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before them, and with about the same quality of service.[14:33:10] <cypromis> hehe[14:33:19] <cypromis> yah and hell knows what all crayz stuff yahoogroups does[14:33:20] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[14:33:29] <cypromis> big corporations behave like big corporations[14:33:36] <cypromis> no sense in thinking they don't[14:34:11] <codestr0m> lblume: I have a sol dev list entirely outside sun and community controlled http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/osunix-dev[14:34:12] <lblume> Yeah, well, I understand that, but I do dislike when they're waving the word "open" around to show how nice they are.[14:34:50] <codestr0m> in the future.. (we) can hope it's more active[14:35:37] <tsoome> "open" has nothing to do with nice any more.[14:35:41] *** jmdtcy has quit IRC[14:35:53] <lblume> codestr0m: You're aware that you're probably infringing the rather unopen trademark policy that was put in plce some months ago?[14:36:47] <codestr0m> lblume: which one. I've gotten explicit clarification on anything we were concerned about[14:36:51] <lblume> tsoome: You haven't been listening to Sun marketing in the last few years, then?[14:37:09] <tsoome> i *dont* listen marketing.[14:37:23] <tsoome> i can think on my own thank you very much[14:37:55] <codestr0m> lblume: do you want to be constructive or just complain?[14:38:03] *** Maledikt has joined #opensolaris[14:38:28] <tsoome> if you wanna get attention of it morons, use prefix open, and you will have this attention.[14:39:06] <codestr0m> tsoome: ubuntu doesn't have open in the name at all[14:39:22] * tnelson is having such a hard time getting *Solaris to play as a NIS client w/ Server 2008.[14:39:26] *** micols has quit IRC[14:39:31] <trochej> But Ubuntu has chicks on CD cover. :)[14:40:01] <lblume> codestr0m: Complain to whom? Be constructive, how?[14:40:08] <CosmicDJ> tnelson: I read some blogs about integrating solaris into active directory...[14:40:10] <tnelson> The only thing that has worked so far is svcadm disable'ing nis/client, launching ypbind -ypsetme, then running ypsetme -d msu -h carbon hydrogen.[14:40:37] <Maledikt> Is there a download of the fishworks stuff so I can try it on my own machine here? (not vmware)[14:40:38] <tnelson> ypinit -c and stipulating 'hydrogen' (or nis1 nis2 whatever) just flat out doesn't work.[14:41:20] <kjetilho_> CosmicDJ: oh, right. I thought that since "su -" worked, the user was available[14:41:23] *** micols has joined #opensolaris[14:41:24] <trochej> Maledikt: Only VMWare appliacne[14:41:40] <trochej> So you can't plug real disks in probably[14:41:41] <Maledikt> trochej: thanks. Are there plans to release something else?[14:41:55] <trochej> Maledikt: I don't know and I don't think so.[14:42:19] <Maledikt> Is it completly opensource or is something in the way of creating an opensolaris iso with this stuff on it?[14:42:38] <kjetilho_> CosmicDJ: how can I tell which users in /etc/passwd are "real" or not?[14:43:09] <tsoome> what is real for you?;)[14:43:13] <trochej> Maledikt: As far as I know, Fishworks is closed source[14:43:27] <trochej> tsoome: I think he means local/files users[14:43:35] <kjetilho_> tsoome: something I can log in as :)[14:43:42] <Maledikt> ah ok. Just heard then term "open source" quite often when the sun guys talk about it[14:43:57] *** mib_tb7fbcm0 has joined #opensolaris[14:44:36] <trochej> Maledikt: Maybe. But I have never heard or seen anything that would suggest the source is or will ever be available[14:45:41] <Maledikt> hmm, ok, thanks[14:46:27] <Ry-austin> being really tired, and eating breakfast makes you even more tired...[14:47:19] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[14:47:48] <jbk> Maledikt: the gui is closed, but it runs on top of opensolaris[14:48:39] <trochej> jbk: The GUI is the main selling point so far. :)[14:48:56] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[14:48:58] <Maledikt> ok. and that was what the fishworks guys were building?[14:49:10] <Maledikt> because the rest was already there like zfs and dtrace[14:49:32] *** wdp has quit IRC[14:49:33] <jbk> pretty much[14:50:26] <Maledikt> ok[14:50:27] <jbk> i've heard a couple of people suggest sun should license (and sell) whatever libs they developed jsut for the web interface (i.e. dealing with ajax, not even the bits to integrate dtrace, etc.)[14:50:58] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[14:53:07] *** ericjray has quit IRC[14:57:38] *** lblume has quit IRC[14:58:30] *** robertbb has quit IRC[14:58:39] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[14:59:01] *** ken is now known as ken-w-[15:00:06] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[15:00:31] *** exl has joined #opensolaris[15:00:37] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[15:02:41] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[15:03:14] <exl> hi, could someone tell me where to find a vlc package ?[15:05:10] *** bam123 has quit IRC[15:05:25] *** cypromis has quit IRC[15:06:01] <CosmicDJ> exl: blastwave or SFE[15:06:49] *** CyberBlue has quit IRC[15:06:59] <exl> i will take a look at sfe[15:07:05] *** ken-work has quit IRC[15:07:46] *** leptir has quit IRC[15:10:02] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[15:10:40] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[15:11:10] *** mib_tb7fbcm0 has quit IRC[15:11:51] *** leptir has joined #opensolaris[15:12:45] *** leptir has quit IRC[15:17:12] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:17:20] *** leptir has joined #opensolaris[15:19:47] <tomww> vlc probably does not compile the prerequisites well at the moment.... (SFE)[15:19:53] <tomww> but mplayer works perfectly[15:21:11] * codestr0m needs to make a script that just builds all this for users[15:21:34] <CosmicDJ> pkgsrc ;)[15:23:36] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[15:23:54] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: nope. straight shell script[15:24:30] <exl> i need vlc as a streaming source[15:24:48] <exl> cli version would me sufficient[15:29:27] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[15:29:30] *** baza11215 has joined #opensolaris[15:30:34] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[15:35:30] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[15:38:36] <asyd> strange[15:38:42] <asyd> perl -MSNMP -e 'print "OK\n";'[15:38:51] <tomww> exl: it's audio or video? for audio there would be SFEicecast.spec[15:38:55] <asyd> perl: fatal: libnetsnmp.so.5: open failed[15:39:02] <asyd> why it doesn't look in /usr/sfw/lib?[15:40:50] <jbk> there's a bug filed on that, but i think the version of perl is scheduled to go away[15:41:17] <jbk> it was built wrong the rpath isn't right[15:41:21] <jbk> you can fix it via elfedit[15:41:34] <asyd> ok, well I added /usr/sfw/lib in crle[15:41:36] <asyd> and it works[15:42:11] <baza11215> i'm having trouble getting my sound driver loaded.. the driver utility says its an ALi HD audio, pci1043,81b3, and i go and install the driver, upon reboot i get this message: devfsadmd[51]: [ID 317882 daemon.error] build_devlink_list: readlink failed for /dev/sound/0: No such file or directory[15:42:13] *** ejray_ has joined #opensolaris[15:42:18] <baza11215> do i need to manually create the dev?[15:42:38] <baza11215> this is on opensolaris snv_109[15:43:43] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[15:43:47] <tsoome> you can create whatever file you like, it doesnt make driver to start to work[15:44:14] <tsoome> if device file is not there, it means driver failed to initialise and start.[15:44:17] <baza11215> but the driver installed properly[15:44:23] <tsoome> so what?[15:44:37] <baza11215> can i manually try it to see if i get more info?[15:44:58] <baza11215> how do i manually load a driver?[15:45:38] *** lesterc has quit IRC[15:50:21] *** ericjray has quit IRC[15:50:28] *** Maledikt has quit IRC[15:52:02] *** logullo has joined #opensolaris[15:52:04] <trochej> baza11215: modload[15:52:47] *** tg has quit IRC[15:53:21] *** ejray_ has quit IRC[15:53:39] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[15:53:44] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[15:53:54] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[15:53:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[15:54:32] <baza11215> trochj: thanks[15:55:26] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[15:55:56] *** tg` has joined #opensolaris[15:56:07] *** tg` is now known as tg[15:56:36] <gerard13> where is /dev/bmc in os2008.11? nobody knows?[15:57:53] <trochej> Coffee[15:58:48] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris[15:58:49] <CIA-40> Mark Johnson <Mark.Johnson at Sun dot COM>: 6802889 ioat_cmd_post() panics with "mutex not held"[16:01:01] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[16:01:21] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[16:02:11] *** szt_ has quit IRC[16:02:40] *** SunTzuTec1 has quit IRC[16:03:31] *** Ry-austin has quit IRC[16:03:33] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[16:03:49] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[16:04:37] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[16:06:58] *** baza11215 has left #opensolaris[16:10:00] *** ken-w- is now known as ken-away[16:14:32] *** perlmongo has quit IRC[16:16:06] *** ikarius has quit IRC[16:16:21] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[16:16:40] *** penire has joined #opensolaris[16:16:55] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[16:16:59] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[16:18:09] <e1kg> Hello, Can I uninstall gmake, binutils after installed SUNWtoo? or still need there tools?[16:20:06] <trochej> Coffee[16:20:57] <e1kg> I'm not sure between the two different. 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it seems they dont have a working copy of it[17:01:34] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[17:01:51] <inaddy> they have "prototypes for testing" only ?[17:02:41] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[17:02:50] *** tsoome has quit IRC[17:03:10] <elektronknid> yeah :/ it's not like you can take a regular OpenSolaris CD or ISO, run a script and make it installable over AI like you could with jumpstart[17:04:26] <inaddy> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/AIinstall/overview.html[17:04:35] <inaddy> there is this site explaining on how to use it with 2008.11[17:06:54] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:08:18] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[17:08:59] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[17:10:03] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[17:10:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[17:10:42] *** ken-away has quit IRC[17:11:57] *** [JT] has quit IRC[17:12:40] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[17:15:28] *** nichol has joined #opensolaris[17:15:59] *** dunkyp has joined #opensolaris[17:17:18] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:18:36] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[17:20:25] *** alfism has quit IRC[17:25:20] *** javatexan has quit IRC[17:25:52] *** dunkyp has quit IRC[17:26:00] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[17:27:46] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:29:27] *** jteo has quit IRC[17:30:02] *** mgfxsg has joined #opensolaris[17:31:17] *** e1kg has quit IRC[17:31:29] *** penire has quit IRC[17:33:07] *** inaddy is now known as inaddy-smoke[17:35:51] *** pgr has quit IRC[17:38:25] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[17:38:30] *** Odin- has quit IRC[17:41:40] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi[17:43:20] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[17:45:31] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[17:46:15] *** nichol has quit IRC[17:47:44] <lewellyn> about time they're teaching kids useful things. http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/technical_preschool_teaches[17:47:54] *** j0nas has quit IRC[17:52:04] *** div111 has quit IRC[17:52:43] *** gaveen_ has joined #opensolaris[17:55:43] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[17:57:03] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[18:00:14] *** e-jat has quit IRC[18:00:30] *** javatexan has quit IRC[18:02:51] *** shuman_ has quit IRC[18:06:26] *** gaveen has quit IRC[18:07:55] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[18:09:40] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[18:10:26] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[18:10:38] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[18:11:49] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[18:12:12] *** kim0 has quit IRC[18:13:15] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[18:13:17] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[18:14:11] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[18:17:42] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[18:19:42] *** gaveen_ has quit IRC[18:20:01] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[18:21:07] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[18:21:32] *** ken is now known as ken-h[18:24:10] *** jaek_away is now known as jaek[18:24:35] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[18:24:47] *** inaddy-smoke has quit IRC[18:24:54] *** designs703 has joined #opensolaris[18:25:34] <designs703> I have a simple Bash script that I need to run on startup. Where should I put it (or how do I enable it)?[18:25:47] <designs703> it should be the last or one of the last things to run[18:27:48] <CosmicDJ> create an SMF service script that runs your shellscript[18:28:06] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[18:28:41] <designs703> man ____ ?[18:28:56] <designs703> not finding much in The Google[18:29:05] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[18:29:06] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[18:29:36] <designs703> Are you sure I need all of this for a two-line script? http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/selfheal/sdev_intro.jsp[18:30:15] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[18:30:39] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[18:30:41] <CosmicDJ> if you want to do it the right way, yes[18:31:21] <designs703> Let's say I want to do it the wrong way...do I throw the script one of the /etc/rc.d dirs?[18:31:44] <CosmicDJ> /etc/init.d[18:33:08] <throatwarbler> /etc/init.d Let your service stop and start methods call it from there. No reason to complicate things.[18:34:00] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[18:34:12] *** nichol has joined #opensolaris[18:34:13] <throatwarbler> I agree with CosmicDJ. If you want to do this the right (Solaris) way, a service manifest is the right answer. And it doesn't need to be hard.[18:34:29] <designs703> my crufty Solaris 10 book doesn't mention SMF[18:34:43] <jbk> who wrote it?[18:34:48] <jbk> smf has been in solaris 10 since day 1[18:35:04] <throatwarbler> Start with the service manifest for coreadm - it is a simple transient service (meaning it doesn't leave processes behind that need to be monitered). A couple of edits and you are done.[18:35:13] <throatwarbler> And you feel so much better about yourself :-)[18:35:20] <bda> designs703: Heh, yeah. What?[18:35:24] <bda> designs703: What book?[18:36:07] <throatwarbler> See http://mediacast.sun.com/users/netherton/media/SMF-migrate.pdf for a cookbook of sorts.[18:36:08] *** thistle_ has joined #opensolaris[18:36:30] <designs703> seriously, who buys shit from McGraw Hill?[18:36:41] <designs703> ah, my employer, that's right[18:36:47] <throatwarbler> LOL[18:36:52] <designs703> "The Complete Reference" my ass[18:37:08] <designs703> thanks for the PDF. This is useful[18:37:13] <bda> Weird.[18:37:33] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[18:38:39] <throatwarbler> Basically take coreadm, change the name of the service to whatever you want it to be, point the start and stop methods at your script. And if you want to be clever with your dependencies you can.[18:38:43] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[18:39:59] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[18:41:47] *** ircNuser has joined #opensolaris[18:41:51] *** exl has quit IRC[18:42:08] *** JT__ has quit IRC[18:43:02] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[18:43:48] *** ircNuser has quit IRC[18:46:34] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[18:48:02] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[18:48:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[18:48:52] <designs703> thanks for the help![18:48:56] *** designs703 has quit IRC[18:48:57] *** mgfxsg has quit IRC[18:49:33] *** fftb__ has joined #opensolaris[18:52:25] *** griff5w has joined #opensolaris[18:52:53] *** klg1 has joined #opensolaris[18:55:05] <klg1> hi! i'm facing problem while fixing firefox from pkg, any ideas ? http://pastebin.com/m23959833[18:55:47] *** javatexan has quit IRC[18:57:04] *** yada has joined #opensolaris[18:57:35] *** ken-h has quit IRC[18:58:20] *** yada has quit IRC[18:58:22] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:58:33] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[18:58:46] <CIA-40> Prasad Singamsetty <Prasad.Singamsetty at Sun dot COM>: 6771975 nv_sata fails to intercept new devid registration on target detach/reattach, 6696837 nv_sata: inquiry-serial-no is not set when using nv_sata cmdk compatibility mode[18:59:56] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[19:01:37] *** wewek has quit IRC[19:02:01] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[19:03:00] *** joanie1 has joined #opensolaris[19:03:13] *** joanie1 is now known as joanmarie[19:05:44] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[19:05:44] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[19:07:23] *** ottom has joined #opensolaris[19:08:06] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[19:08:41] *** griff5w has left #opensolaris[19:11:58] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[19:12:22] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[19:15:10] *** elektronknid has quit IRC[19:15:49] *** mega has joined #opensolaris[19:16:18] *** ghulands has joined #opensolaris[19:17:35] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[19:19:18] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[19:19:23] *** twisti has quit IRC[19:19:45] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:20:40] *** kohju has quit IRC[19:21:28] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris[19:21:33] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[19:23:07] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris[19:23:21] *** skullone has joined #opensolaris[19:24:25] *** ewdafa- has joined #opensolaris[19:25:15] <axisys> my mysql comes with /usr/sfw is failing to connect.. i then installed the CSW version which works fine.. how do I tell my DBI to use the CSW version of mysql ?[19:25:22] <axisys> here is the error details http://pastebin.com/d5e9e7890[19:26:09] *** Ouro has joined #opensolaris[19:26:16] *** luc^ has quit IRC[19:26:42] *** mikefut has quit IRC[19:27:01] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:27:35] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[19:27:48] <Ouro> any idea why my nevada install does not finish booting/takes a long time to time out without a cdrom attached?[19:27:49] *** javatexan has quit IRC[19:27:53] *** inaddy has quit IRC[19:29:19] *** gaveen has quit IRC[19:29:52] *** derchris has quit IRC[19:30:33] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[19:30:48] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[19:33:27] <throatwarbler> might try a boot -v -m verbose to see how the boot is progressing.[19:37:11] <Ouro> that is for the kernel only, no?[19:37:19] <Ouro> i suppose i will try it[19:37:20] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[19:37:44] *** neale has joined #opensolaris[19:39:36] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[19:41:07] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[19:41:44] <neale> I've installed a library from blastwave; is there a way to let things load it without setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH?[19:43:48] <CosmicDJ> compile them with the right flags[19:43:49] <Ouro> throatwarbler: that was not very informative... the last message is about loading fct0, then the banner about starting desktop login and that is it[19:44:19] <neale> CosmicDJ: I didn't comple it. It's part of ghc, which is compiled in ghc.[19:44:36] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[19:45:11] <CosmicDJ> neale: http://prefetch.net/articles/linkers.badldlibrary.html[19:46:03] *** designs703 has joined #opensolaris[19:46:54] <designs703> This whole SMF thing is not working out. It's way too much for this simple script. If I throw the script in init.d, it will run on boot, case closed?[19:47:02] <neale> CosmicDJ: cool, thanks.[19:47:11] <CosmicDJ> designs703: more /etc/init.d/README[19:47:51] <designs703> CosmicDJ: Not very useful unless I wanted to truly know how terrible a person this makes me[19:47:57] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[19:48:03] <designs703> (just goes on about how it's legacy and such)[19:48:13] <Stric> designs703: not exactly as you said, but regular SysV init works as expected[19:49:16] <designs703> Stric: How is it expected? This is the first time I've deployed a startup script on any platform, you guys happen to have SMF which is taking things to another level of complexity[19:49:19] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[19:49:39] <Ouro> hm, apparently my cdrom issue has something to do with the desktop environment because it times out and gives me a login eventually[19:50:23] <Stric> designs703: read /etc/init.d/README then[19:51:40] <designs703> Based on my reading, the correct thing to do would be to put the script in init.d and symlink it from one of the rc.ds[19:53:24] *** neale has left #opensolaris[19:54:06] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[19:54:20] <Stric> designs703: yep. like ln -s /etc/init.d/mystuff /etc/rc3.d/S95mystuff[19:54:41] <Ouro> yeah, the only difficult part is figuring out which run level to put it in :)[19:54:53] *** elektronkind has joined #opensolaris[19:54:59] <CosmicDJ> designs703: there's a complete smf manifiest in CIS' Solaris 10 Benchmark (v4), see 3.4 and Appendix B[19:55:37] *** luc^ has quit IRC[19:56:26] <designs703> CosmicDJ: OK, I'll check that out[19:57:12] <CosmicDJ> designs703: http://www.cisecurity.org/bench_solaris.html[19:57:44] <designs703> CosmicDJ: Already at Appendix B :)[19:59:06] *** nick has joined #opensolaris[19:59:07] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris[19:59:26] *** nick is now known as Guest45752[19:59:37] *** Ouro has quit IRC[19:59:49] <designs703> My problem is that this whole thing is asking way too many questions. I have a single script that needs to run when everything else is finished, that's all. Is there a cookbook-style guide out there?[19:59:51] <Guest45752> question for everyone......i have a smf service...and it works fine on several systems...but on a few opensolaris b91 systems if I svcadm disable <service> it will stay online[19:59:57] <Guest45752> it will never go to disable, it will never go to maintence[19:59:59] <Guest45752> any ideas?[20:00:05] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[20:00:31] <designs703> this script is not really a service. it needs to run once and has no need for a start/stop state[20:01:41] *** houst0n is now known as n0tsuoh[20:01:46] *** n0tsuoh is now known as houst0n[20:01:59] <sommerfeld> designs703: there are plenty of "transient" services which just run a start script[20:02:00] <CosmicDJ> designs703: the script in 3.4 is also not a service[20:03:32] <Guest45752> how to i restart smf? i think its svc.startd or something? unsure how[20:04:31] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[20:05:41] *** szt has joined #opensolaris[20:05:58] <klg1> how can i reinstall firefox on osol[20:06:25] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[20:06:31] <klg1> i tried uninstalling firefox, but it doesn't allow b'cas of dependencies[20:06:40] <oenone> can[20:06:47] <oenone> can't you force uninstall?[20:07:03] <klg1> there is no such option[20:07:09] <klg1> even i was trying to find something like that[20:07:53] *** mikefut has quit IRC[20:07:55] <elektronkind> this is an awesome pic from sun's site[20:07:56] <elektronkind> http://www.sun.com/images/l0/l0_eol_nocta.jpg[20:08:04] *** inaddy has quit IRC[20:08:36] <designs703> I must be asking the wrong questions. To make this easy, where are the official docs on the subject?[20:08:39] <elektronkind> is that a sun2?[20:09:21] *** Tuxbubling has joined #opensolaris[20:09:24] <CosmicDJ> designs703: what subject?[20:09:39] <designs703> writing these hulking SMF manifests[20:11:20] <designs703> I can't even figure out where the script is sourced in this Appendix you guys pointed me to[20:11:34] *** SunTzuTech has joined #opensolaris[20:11:35] <bda> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/smf/faq/[20:11:40] <CosmicDJ> designs703: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1985/ 16., 17. and maybe A.[20:11:40] <bda> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/smf-doc/[20:12:01] <elektronkind> look in /var/svc/manifest and use what's there for hints and tips[20:12:17] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[20:12:21] <trochej> Coffee?[20:12:24] <elektronkind> there are also ready-made tools, both online and CLI (python) based for creating manifests[20:12:37] <designs703> elektronkind: I tend to do better with active code in front of me. thanks[20:12:44] <elektronkind> no my problem[20:12:47] <designs703> elektronkind: much easier to see what's going on[20:12:58] <elektronkind> mischan[20:13:16] <elektronkind> /var/svc/manifest is where it'll all end up[20:13:40] <elektronkind> /lib/sc/method is where your scripts go... these are executed by the manifests[20:13:48] <elektronkind> or rather... as specified in the manifest[20:13:50] <bda> It doesn't matter where the manifest or methods live.[20:14:02] <bda> Or is this for something he's modifying?[20:14:06] <elektronkind> it doesn't, but those are the "standard" places[20:14:07] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[20:14:18] <elektronkind> where he can find examples and whatnot[20:14:43] <elektronkind> it's how I got my head around this smf stuff[20:14:54] <elektronkind> which I'm really come to appreciate[20:15:02] <designs703> bda: I have a two-line bash script and all I want to do is get it to run on boot[20:15:05] <bda> It's good stuff. Not hard.[20:15:14] <bda> designs703: It is a one-off, or a daemon?[20:15:25] <designs703> one-off to clone my hg repos and reboot apache[20:16:07] <designs703> technically it could run before apache and skip the second step[20:16:41] <designs703> so would that be a dependency?[20:17:10] <bda> Yes. Look at coreadm as was previously suggested. It's a transient service.[20:17:16] <bda> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/selfheal/sdev_intro.jsp[20:17:20] <bda> Explains the differences between services.[20:18:05] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[20:18:51] <designs703> See, this is EC2 so I can't really test the startup script. And we shouldn't pretend that my employer would give me a sane local dev machine because that would make sense[20:19:04] <bda> designs703: Make a zone to do your testing in.[20:19:07] <designs703> (EC2 instances lose all state on reboot)[20:19:07] <Guest45752> got it thanks guys[20:19:17] <Guest45752> started it and its all good[20:19:18] <bda> Download Virtualbox and install OpenSolaris.[20:19:24] <Guest45752> svc.startd was crashed[20:20:15] <designs703> Maybe I can use svcadm to test it?[20:20:36] <bda> Depends on how you are connected to the machine. If you serialed in, you could change milestones.[20:20:42] <bda> If you are ssh'd in you don't really want to drop below networking.[20:20:53] <bda> It depends on where you have the script running, and whatever other factors.[20:20:55] <designs703> right, don't want to restart SSHD[20:21:25] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[20:21:37] <bda> I'd do it in a VM or a zone. The former is probably easier for you if you're new to Solaris.[20:21:56] <designs703> So I should use the DTD from example B in every manifest?[20:22:30] *** kleppari has quit IRC[20:23:23] <CosmicDJ> which else could you use?[20:23:32] *** Guest45752 has quit IRC[20:23:46] <bda> designs703: You're thinking about it too much. You don't have to write the manifest by hand. Just copy and modify an existing one.[20:23:49] <designs703> I see SYSTEM up there. I'm assuming that corresponds with the service's group[20:24:03] * bda writes a quick template...[20:24:47] <designs703> which group/category would such a simple script go in?[20:25:01] <throatwarbler> svcadm enable -t to test starting it and disable -t to test stopping ot.[20:25:02] <CosmicDJ> bda: don't waste your time, there's is in CIS' Solaris 10 Benchmark (exactly what he needs, a shell script gets called which changes some settings with ndd)[20:25:08] <CosmicDJ> s/is/one/[20:25:21] <throatwarbler> site[20:25:28] <throatwarbler> put your local stuff in site.[20:25:29] <designs703> ok thanks. I noticed that folder was empty[20:25:39] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[20:25:40] <throatwarbler> it's yours to do with what you want to.[20:25:40] <bda> CosmicDJ: ah, ok.[20:25:52] <bda> I'm waiting on Fedex to deliver something I paid them to deliver three hours ago.[20:25:56] <bda> So sort of bored.[20:26:11] <throatwarbler> what's the name of your script and when do you want it started ? I'll send you a simple manifest.[20:26:26] <bda> There used to be a site that would generate a manifest from a form.[20:26:30] <bda> Don't remember what it was called.[20:26:33] <designs703> CosmicDJ: How could that example be calling a shell script? I saw no such script in the manifest. Again, I'm new to this[20:26:43] <CosmicDJ> bda: I see, well let's talk about cisco's movement into the server market ;)[20:26:44] <trochej> EasySMF iirc[20:26:59] <bda> CosmicDJ: Let's talk about that new $60k Cray full of Xeons...[20:27:02] <bda> Running Windows.[20:27:30] *** klg1 has quit IRC[20:27:32] <bda> "Delivery exception" # Douchemonkeys.[20:27:37] <CosmicDJ> designs703: "exec='/var/svc/method/cis_netconfig.sh'" looks like a shell script to me[20:27:52] *** Odin- has quit IRC[20:28:37] <designs703> CosmicDJ: you're correct[20:29:00] <designs703> now I'm doubly confused because you guys said that this had no start/stop state[20:29:39] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[20:29:47] <gretel> g'evening[20:29:49] <throatwarbler> what script do you want to call and where do you want it to run at boot time and I can cook you up a sample in a few seconds.[20:30:09] <bda> It can. Some methods will look just like init scripts. start) stop) restart). Others will Do Stuff and Exec Something, and SMF will :kill -HUP for a restart, or...[20:30:13] <bda> It's flexible.[20:30:25] <designs703> throatwarbler: I hope I'm not that annoying. I'm uncomfortable using code if I dont' understand every line[20:30:26] <throatwarbler> :kill is cool :-)[20:30:37] <CosmicDJ> bda: cray running windoze, what a shame[20:31:12] <designs703> A key thing here is knowing what a manifest actually _needs_ for my purposes[20:31:17] <bda> throatwarbler: Yeah, rewrote all our site services when I found that out. :)[20:32:49] <throatwarbler> So when I teach the SMF class we start with the basics. If it used to run at runlevel 3 then start there. We can always add more or different dependencies later. Start with what you know.[20:33:07] <bda> Where do you teach an SMF class?[20:33:07] *** bbartek has quit IRC[20:33:48] <throatwarbler> It's a customer engagement sort of thing. Through Sun's PS organization.[20:34:07] <bda> aha[20:34:30] *** inaddy has quit IRC[20:35:03] <throatwarbler> The slides from the class are up on my blog blogs.sun.com/bobn - over on the right hand side. You miss out on all the stories though :-)[20:35:07] <gretel> please engage me too[20:35:28] <gretel> ah, slides :)[20:35:37] <throatwarbler> Pid files are fundamentally evil and :kill (and svcprop -p) are your new Solaris friends.[20:35:56] <bda> Indeed.[20:35:58] <CosmicDJ> they are?[20:36:20] <gretel> please explain why[20:36:22] <CosmicDJ> so used to kill -1 `cat /var/run/xy.pid` ;)[20:36:40] *** shuman_ has quit IRC[20:37:21] <throatwarbler> keeping all of the pid files straight for multiple instances of a service is a royal pain. I've seen many a stop script kill the wrong instance of a service.[20:37:32] <throatwarbler> and pkill can be even worse :-([20:37:39] <jbk> it assumes they're current[20:37:41] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[20:37:55] <jbk> what happens if the particular instance died, and something else started with the same pid?[20:38:04] <throatwarbler> it assumes they are current and typically only works well with a single instance.[20:38:10] <gothos> Hey, is there some trick to get SXCE working with the emulated e1000 NIC in VMWare Server 2? It doesn't show up in ifconfig -a[20:38:23] <jbk> gothos: what does dladm show-link display?[20:38:44] <throatwarbler> again - pid files are fundamentally evil :[)[20:38:45] *** cypromis has quit IRC[20:38:56] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:38:58] <gothos> jbk: a e1000g0, hm[20:39:28] <jbk> so you probably just need to plumb it[20:39:38] <gothos> I can post the complete output in a minute or so, just need to reboot the server[20:39:45] <jbk> use pastbin[20:39:51] <jbk> (see topic)[20:43:09] *** sergiusens1 has joined #opensolaris[20:44:26] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[20:44:39] *** Cyrille has quit IRC[20:45:14] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[20:46:02] * siamba is back[20:46:37] <siamba> how should i configure several ip addresses on one physical interface?[20:46:58] <gretel> throatwarbler: following you on twitter, going to see if you tweet more than sports :)[20:48:13] <siamba> just create several hostname6.qfe3:{1,2,3,4,5,6} with addresses or just adding "addif aa:bb::ee/112 up" lines to hostname6.qfe3?[20:49:16] <houst0n> twitter is horrible[20:49:21] <gothos> jbk: tahnks, it works fine now :)[20:52:18] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[20:54:30] *** luc^ has quit IRC[20:54:41] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[20:54:59] *** ghulands has quit IRC[20:57:14] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[20:57:20] <throatwarbler> I do - but it has been such an intense couple of weeks of hockey - that is consuming me :-)[20:58:14] *** nichol has quit IRC[20:58:22] *** designs703 has quit IRC[20:59:48] <throatwarbler> I should tweet about how time-slider saved me from losing what is left of my hair.[20:59:55] <throatwarbler> That was cool :-)[21:01:25] <bda> ha[21:01:47] <bda> I just set up a test OSOL VM in Fusion, added an rpool mirror.. and as its resilving, a bunch of files go boom.[21:01:51] <bda> Go go Fusion/OS X.[21:04:30] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[21:04:45] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[21:05:42] *** javatexan has quit IRC[21:07:37] *** duri has quit IRC[21:13:27] *** bbarker|sleep is now known as bbarker1[21:13:33] *** stanojr_ has joined #opensolaris[21:13:50] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[21:14:00] *** duri has joined #opensolaris[21:15:55] *** stanojr has quit IRC[21:20:15] *** medar has quit IRC[21:21:20] *** revlo has joined #opensolaris[21:22:25] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[21:22:35] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris[21:23:30] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[21:23:43] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[21:25:20] *** bbarker1 is now known as bbarker|afk[21:30:29] *** authentic has quit IRC[21:30:39] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[21:31:00] <gretel> what size of zfs log device is needed?[21:31:25] <gretel> guess it's calculated according to the size of the pool and the estimated workload[21:32:20] *** sle has joined #opensolaris[21:34:56] <e^ipi> a couple gigs[21:35:00] <e^ipi> *shrug*[21:36:15] <gretel> if SSD were cheap..[21:36:29] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[21:36:51] *** capaz has quit IRC[21:36:53] <CosmicDJ> gigs?![21:37:05] <CosmicDJ> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide -> "It would be rare to need more than 100 MBytes in a separate log device, but the separate log must be at least 64 MBytes."[21:37:15] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[21:37:21] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:39:05] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris[21:39:12] <trichobezoar> i seem to recall reading that the log should be enough to log 5 seconds at full steam[21:40:10] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:40:31] *** [JT] has quit IRC[21:41:24] *** gretel has quit IRC[21:41:53] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[21:42:27] <wbkang1> Could anyone give me a hand on using idmap with workgroup mode? I googled but no avail[21:43:01] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: i don't know of any fast disks at 100M[21:43:44] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[21:43:44] *** hspaans has joined #opensolaris[21:44:07] <gretel> so i should be safe with 128MB SSD?[21:44:09] *** kleppari has quit IRC[21:46:30] <e^ipi> they make such things?[21:48:01] <syd`> is there a way to put the ZIL in RAM (for benchmarking porpouse only)?[21:48:11] <e^ipi> that would be the same thing as turning it off[21:48:58] <syd`> e^ipi: hmmm not exactly. But you gave me a precious hint :)[21:49:30] <syd`> that way, I can have a single zvol with zil disabled rather than disabling it system wide. am I right?[21:49:35] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[21:49:42] <e^ipi> no[21:49:54] <e^ipi> not yot anyhow[21:50:06] <e^ipi> *yet[21:50:31] <syd`> yes, but what if I set a RAM backed device as log device?[21:50:44] <syd`> (does solaris has ramdisks??)[21:50:52] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[21:50:54] <e^ipi> why would you?[21:51:12] <e^ipi> the reason for the ZIL is in case you lose power halfway through a transaction[21:51:20] <gretel> http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=4;GROUP=E67;GROUPID=3747;ARTICLE=75505;[21:51:22] <e^ipi> if you have it in ram... it does nothing[21:51:29] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[21:51:30] <e^ipi> so just turn ito ff[21:51:44] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[21:51:58] <e^ipi> or if you care about your data itegrity, leave it alone or put it on a faster disk[21:51:58] <gretel> syd`: use non-volatile memory for zil log only[21:52:06] <syd`> so It's like it's disabled. But this way it's possible to "disable" it selectively rather than systemi wide[21:52:15] <syd`> s/systemi/system/[21:52:20] <syd`> got it?[21:52:20] <e^ipi> no[21:52:27] <e^ipi> you can disable it pool-wide[21:52:35] *** proberts_ has joined #opensolaris[21:52:58] <e^ipi> gretel: what's the speed on it? is it slower than a spinning disk? ( a lot of times it is )[21:53:06] <e^ipi> you want something you can write to faster than a disk[21:53:21] *** proberts_ has quit IRC[21:53:27] <syd`> well that's not an issue. Just create a pool ad-hoc (slicing your disks accordingly for example)[21:53:37] <gretel> "IDE transfer mode: UDMA 4, Performance up to 15.0MB/sec"[21:53:38] <syd`> that's what I was looking to[21:53:44] <gretel> guess thats slower ;)[21:53:46] <e^ipi> gretel: so... slower than a disk[21:54:38] <gretel> so, do we gain performance by putting the log on a ramdisk regardless of integrity?[21:54:44] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[21:54:58] <e^ipi> check out one of these: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16611&vpn=gc-ramdisk&manufacture=gigabyte[21:55:09] <e^ipi> you plug some DIMMs in to it and you get a SATA disk out the other end[21:55:32] <gretel> these are cool but won't fit on the mini-itx board[21:55:57] <syd`> that's not clean as having the feature implemented in zfs...but it's a nice workaround![21:56:10] <syd`> gretel: I'm going to try[21:56:11] <e^ipi> syd`: it's not a feature[21:56:19] <e^ipi> that card is battery backed[21:56:21] <e^ipi> ram is not[21:56:22] <gretel> syd`: that'd be cool[21:56:39] <gretel> i won't do it in production use, just interesting..[21:56:41] <e^ipi> implementing ZIL in volatile storage is implemented... by turning ZIL off[21:56:49] <revlo> e^ipi: you know a thing like this with ddr2 ram? since its much cheaper :-)[21:57:02] <syd`> e^ipi: assume I don't care about mission critical data integrity on a particular ZVOL[21:57:04] <e^ipi> revlo: it'd fit, but it wouldn't run at DDR2 speed[21:57:26] <gretel> i get it. there is no point in putting the log on a non-volatile memory at all, at least there is no benefit compared to disabling it[21:57:28] <e^ipi> syd`: per-zvol ZIL is on the "todo" list[21:57:29] <syd`> but I CARE about other filesystems on the same machine[21:57:35] *** cypromis has quit IRC[21:57:47] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[21:58:00] <e^ipi> so, either create a new pool with no zil that you don't care about the data on, or chill out until whoever gets around to it[21:58:01] <syd`> I can have a pool with in-ram zil to enhance performance, while preserving other filesystems/pools[21:58:08] <e^ipi> no...[21:58:22] <e^ipi> you can turn off the zil to increase performance, and keep zil on on other filesystems[21:58:26] <syd`> oh, I was missing an important point here[21:58:40] <syd`> the zil can be disabled in a single pool?[21:58:42] <e^ipi> stop this "in-ram zil" thing because it doesn't make sense...[21:58:46] <e^ipi> yes, a /pool/[21:58:46] <CIA-40> Dai Ngo <dai.ngo at sun dot com>: 6768607 nfs wedged up when svc disabled on jurassic[21:58:51] <syd`> D'OH![21:59:02] <e^ipi> not an individual zvol or filesystem[21:59:05] *** hspaans has left #opensolaris[21:59:07] *** Tuxbubling has quit IRC[21:59:11] <gretel> considering this i come up to the conclusion that there is no point in using RAM for caching, too[21:59:16] <syd`> I was missing this "little" point[21:59:18] <gretel> err, i mean cache devices in ram[21:59:27] <e^ipi> gretel: why? cache is for speed, ZIL is for integrity[21:59:44] <gretel> so there is a point to put cache devices in ram[21:59:59] <jbk> i think you misunderstand how zfs works[22:00:02] <e^ipi> gretel: yes, which is why ZFS already does it.. it's called ARC[22:00:07] <jbk> it will use as much ram as it can to cache[22:00:11] <e^ipi> "adaptive replacement cache"[22:00:15] <gretel> yeah that is what i intended to ask[22:00:23] <jbk> however, for most boxes, you can get SSDs that are as large or larger than RAM[22:00:24] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[22:00:26] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[22:00:29] <gretel> there is no benefit in hassling around with any "ram based caching" compared to just using ARC[22:00:31] <jbk> and while a bit slower, they are faster than hard drives[22:00:38] <jbk> thus can act as another cache layer[22:00:46] <sle> is there a way i can pull the sfw src code via mercurial?[22:01:00] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[22:01:00] <jbk> just like your registers on your cpu can be considered the fastest 'cache', followed by l1, l2, and sometimes l3 cache[22:01:07] <sle> i'm kinda lost on the path to the sfw repo[22:01:19] <sle> i've been able to pull the onnv repo[22:01:19] <jbk> probably not[22:01:22] *** colyte has quit IRC[22:01:44] <gretel> ok, got it[22:02:25] <gretel> besides the caching, i will loose performance if the zil is stored on a SSD which is slower than the disk, right?[22:02:35] <jbk> probably[22:02:36] <Stric> yup[22:02:44] <gretel> but still gain integrity[22:03:01] <jbk> well unless you turn the ZIL off althogether, you always get integrity[22:03:12] <jbk> if you don't place it on a dedicated device, it exists within the pool[22:03:29] <gretel> ok[22:03:31] <jbk> as a way to speed up synchronous writes[22:03:37] <lewellyn> nice. my arc size is 243mb. on a 512mb machine. that explains the slowness :([22:04:19] <gretel> i'm just looking for cost-efficient solution[22:04:23] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[22:04:41] <e^ipi> gretel: then just leave it a lone, give it a pile of disks, and forget about ZIL and L2ARC[22:04:51] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[22:04:58] <lewellyn> ssd isn't cost-efficient at this time :P[22:05:09] <e^ipi> lewellyn: or particularly fast for that matter[22:05:11] <jbk> depends on your scale and your requirements[22:05:43] <gretel> yep. i'll leave it with 3x 1TB raidz2[22:05:44] <syd`> e^ipi: how do I disable ZIL in a pool?[22:05:49] <lewellyn> my money would say to spend that money for ssd on another couple hard disks, or some ram[22:05:55] <lewellyn> syd`: why?[22:05:55] *** authentic has quit IRC[22:05:59] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[22:06:09] *** clebig has joined #opensolaris[22:06:14] <jbk> the $/gb for ssd is cheaper than ram[22:06:26] <jbk> and a couple of hard disks buys you more space, but fewer IOPS[22:06:35] <lewellyn> jbk: but the ram is more flexible[22:07:00] <syd`> I've a zvol on which ZIL isn't a wanted feature[22:07:18] <throatwarbler> Really ? Curious about the use case for that.[22:07:18] <lewellyn> you can use it, for example, your postgres needs more ram. that ssd is pretty much untouchable.[22:07:26] <lewellyn> throatwarbler: as am i.[22:07:45] <lewellyn> i've read how to disable the zil. and i've read the warnings saying why it's a bad idea.[22:07:52] <lewellyn> i've not read why it'd be a good idea[22:08:12] <throatwarbler> because you like long write latency :-)[22:08:14] <syd`> lewellyn: to get a decent performance on a zvol?[22:08:47] <gretel> sandisk claims 40mb/s write speed on their most expensive compact flash cards[22:09:01] *** colyte has joined #opensolaris[22:09:03] <throatwarbler> ram is much more flexible, but zil is persistent - as is l2arc[22:09:04] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis[22:09:06] *** proberts has quit IRC[22:09:14] <gretel> which is 15mb/s more than maxell claims to get using cheap eSATA SSD[22:09:28] <jbk> and actually for postgres, it could still be better to have hte SSD depending on your workload[22:09:32] <jbk> if it's write intensive[22:09:34] <lewellyn> gretel: sandisk has some damn fast CF cards[22:09:44] <jbk> ram won't make those fsync()s go any faster[22:09:57] <throatwarbler> small block (2k-ish) writes followed by an fsync is screaming for a ZIL.[22:10:05] *** colyte has quit IRC[22:10:12] <gretel> system disk is a sandisk 4gb extreme 3[22:10:16] <lewellyn> since CF is used by picky, high-end photographers with enough money to spend on as many pics as they can get per second ;)[22:10:18] <gretel> 30mb/s work pretty well[22:10:27] <jbk> i have an oracle database here i'd love to move to a 7000 box[22:10:29] <throatwarbler> what are the IOPS on that device ?[22:10:31] <gretel> lewellyn: include me in this group ;)[22:10:36] <jbk> but not spending any money this year[22:10:43] <jbk> and wont' get the vendor to fix their crappy code[22:11:01] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris[22:11:02] <jbk> it's _very_ poorly written sql (from a vendor, I konw that is hard to believe :P)[22:11:13] <lewellyn> gretel: it's the photographers who keep the line alive, however. :)[22:11:25] <gretel> please excuse me if i tend to ask dumb question, i'm new to opensolaris[22:11:49] <throatwarbler> no such thing as a dumb question.[22:11:50] <lewellyn> back when i sold retail electronics, i loved when someone was on a trip and needed another 8-16gb of that high-end CF stuff.[22:11:59] <gretel> is it possible to use a single compact flash for system and zil?[22:12:00] <lewellyn> throatwarbler: correct. just dumb people :)[22:12:12] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:12:23] <jbk> gretel: the ZIL is always there unless you explicitly turn it off[22:12:27] <jbk> it's always part of the pool[22:12:39] <lewellyn> gretel: in theory... but with the limited lifespan of flash at all, i'd be loathe to trust both on one card[22:12:41] <jbk> the enhancement is the ability to control where in the pool it goes[22:12:52] <jbk> if you don't, it does what it alwayws did (and spreads it around)[22:12:55] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[22:13:02] *** Cybertux has joined #opensolaris[22:13:02] <lewellyn> jbk: my reading is that the system disk is outside the zpool[22:13:03] <throatwarbler> that is correct. what you can do is place it on something that has better response time or less contention.[22:13:04] <syd`> jbk: how do you turn it off?[22:13:14] <jbk> lewellyn: what distro?[22:13:20] <lewellyn> syd`: why do you want to kill your performance?[22:13:21] <jbk> there's an /etc/system setting you can turn on[22:13:29] <lewellyn> jbk: huh?[22:13:38] *** aghaster has joined #opensolaris[22:13:40] <syd`> lewellyn: disabling zil enhanced performance[22:13:43] <aghaster> Hi[22:13:46] <throatwarbler> tread lightly as that turn off the ZIL for all pools, right ?[22:13:52] <jbk> on opensolaris, your root filesystem is zfs, which implies it's on a zpool[22:13:53] <gretel> well i could use a mirror of two compact flash cards[22:13:55] <lewellyn> syd`: if you've disabled it, why are you asking?[22:13:57] <jbk> yes it will[22:14:12] <aghaster> I'd like to know, is there a live opensolaris distro that has gparted and good zfs support?[22:14:13] <lewellyn> jbk: sxce, it's ufs unless specified otherwise.[22:14:33] <aghaster> I need to move a ZFS partition and my Ubuntu Live CD seems to have trouble with it, it thinks it is ext2[22:14:37] <RandalSchwartz> can you remove a phys disk from a pool and let zfs migrate the blocks over, or are you hosed once you add it?[22:14:40] <lewellyn> aghaster: um. gparted is evil :([22:14:50] <aghaster> which tool should I be using[22:14:54] <gretel> lewellyn: i have to pools, system and storage. first on is on compact flash, second one on disks[22:14:59] <gretel> s/to/two/[22:15:00] <jbk> RandalSchwartz: you cannot shrink a pool currently, that's in the works[22:15:04] <aghaster> is there any on the 2008.11 disk?[22:15:05] <RandalSchwartz> ok[22:15:10] <jbk> so if it's mirrored[22:15:12] <jbk> you can drop the mirror[22:15:15] <syd`> lewellyn: on the documentation is explained how to turn it off system wide, I was told that you can disable it by pool. I'd just like to know how[22:15:16] <throatwarbler> you can remove a device as long as the data on that device is replicated elsewhere (mirror, RAIDZ, RAIDZ2).[22:15:25] <lewellyn> aghaster: it makes gross assumptions about your data, and it often leaves your partition table in a state where only linux likes it[22:15:27] <jbk> it's actually trickier than it sounds to get right with zfs[22:15:36] <lewellyn> syd`: afaik, you can only turn it off system-wide[22:16:01] <syd`> ok, so having it on a ram backed device *could* make sense.[22:16:06] <jbk> unfortunately, there's no specific ETA on it[22:16:08] *** yarihm has quit IRC[22:16:10] <throatwarbler> I wouldn't turn it off. I'd look at the workloads where it causes issue and add a separate device as a ZIL for that pool or pool.s[22:16:29] *** sergiusens1 has quit IRC[22:16:30] <lewellyn> aghaster: at least, i've lost non-ext* data with it, and it's often caused me hair pulling when using it to partition a disk that will be used in a linux-free system[22:16:31] <jbk> though I think mike shapiro's slides from the opensolaris storage summit included the targeted quarter for it[22:17:30] <aghaster> lewellyn: Okay, I'll stay away from it. what would you use then? I have four partitions (in order): NTFS, ZFS, EXT2, LINUX-SWAP[22:17:43] <syd`> uh and BTW if someone is interested http://blogs.sun.com/erickustarz/entry/zil_disable[22:17:59] <aghaster> I've already shrinked my ntfs partition, now I want to move my ZFS partition right after the NTFS partition and grow my ext2 partition to fill the empty space[22:18:00] <lewellyn> let me reboot and see if what i used hosed my zfs partition before i recommend it :)[22:18:13] <aghaster> lol ok[22:18:35] <throatwarbler> For a ZIL you want SLC type of flash drive. Good write latency. For L2ARC MLC would be just fine.[22:18:39] <aghaster> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/Slim_Install/project_documents/slim_install_getstarted/slim_install_partition/ it is quite funny that they recommend using gparted[22:19:12] <throatwarbler> even disks can be good ZIL devices. You just need to have an idea of what your sync rate is.[22:19:24] <lewellyn> i shrunk my ntfs within vista, moved the fat partition that's after it, shrunk the ntfs within the tool, moved the fat partition again, then moved the zfs partition at the end of the disk to the start of free-space.[22:19:42] <lewellyn> meh. i've just been burnt by gparted enough times that i avoid it when i can[22:20:19] <throatwarbler> And then you discover gparted's evil twin - gpart. Talk about some bad mojo.......[22:20:50] <jbk> isn't someone working on integrating gparted into one of the consolidations?[22:20:54] <lewellyn> my end goal is to see what zfs does when i use a disk editor to expand its partition to include another 30GB or so of space ;)[22:20:59] *** Tuxbubling has joined #opensolaris[22:21:55] <throatwarbler> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=28491&tstart=0[22:22:31] <throatwarbler> I remember this coming up on the Belenix discussion list a while back.[22:22:42] *** cemerick has quit IRC[22:22:53] *** ejray_ has joined #opensolaris[22:23:50] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[22:26:13] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[22:27:14] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[22:27:17] *** mega has quit IRC[22:29:44] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[22:31:02] *** ericjray has quit IRC[22:32:40] *** zaarg is now known as yaarg[22:32:46] *** yaarg is now known as zaarg[22:32:48] *** dmoerner has joined #opensolaris[22:34:33] *** ken has quit IRC[22:36:12] * timeless frowns[22:36:29] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[22:37:39] <timeless> is tehre some way to find out how two be's differ?[22:37:57] <timeless> i've done a couple of pkg image-updates w/o rebooting into 'latest+greatest'[22:38:11] <timeless> i'm sure i could mount them and then use diff -r, but..[22:38:22] <throatwarbler> lucompare[22:38:37] *** chode has joined #opensolaris[22:38:43] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris[22:38:48] <timeless> in indiana?[22:38:54] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:38:58] <throatwarbler> oh ...... nope.[22:39:10] <throatwarbler> thinking live upgrade era stuff.[22:39:25] * timeless nods[22:39:56] *** chrol_ has joined #opensolaris[22:40:25] *** chrol has quit IRC[22:40:39] <throatwarbler> sorry - just got off a call with a customer with lu questions. occuaptional hazard :-)[22:40:55] <timeless> it's ok[22:41:16] <bda> Time Slider visualizes that, I think?[22:41:22] <bda> Never used it, so unsure if useful in context.[22:41:26] <bda> http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs[22:41:36] <throatwarbler> it would be too much to try to take in.[22:41:41] * timeless is waiting for a database to cross reference 100,000 bugs against reporters and resolutions[22:41:44] <bda> No doubt.[22:41:46] <throatwarbler> mount the other be and do a dircmp -s[22:42:02] <timeless> time slider is generally for the user's home volume[22:42:05] <throatwarbler> i did use time-slider today though - it was awesome.[22:42:07] <bda> http://thnetos.wordpress.com/2007/06/05/not-as-simple-perl-script-for-zfs-snapshot-auditing/[22:42:21] <bda> (google find, I promise nothing!)[22:43:08] *** axisys has quit IRC[22:43:17] *** robertbb has joined #opensolaris[22:43:29] <throatwarbler> got s10u6 to whack my pidgin config due to a stray .gaim laying around (didn't even remember it being there). time-slider saved me a lot of time putting back all the config stuff.[22:44:41] <timeless> that tool says it wouldn't work well for unmounted legacy volumes[22:44:48] <timeless> which i think is pretty much the definition of BEs[22:45:01] <timeless> i'll probably use dircmp -s (and manually mounting)[22:45:13] *** Tuxbubling has quit IRC[22:45:26] <throatwarbler> I think that's the way to go at present.[22:45:43] <throatwarbler> And perhaps file an RFE for a beadm compare[22:46:03] <timeless> can i use defect.o.o for that? :)[22:46:04] <lewellyn> aghaster: i'll hold off recommending this tool. i can't get my sxce to boot now :P[22:46:08] *** dmoerner has left #opensolaris[22:46:46] <throatwarbler> that's where I would file it.[22:46:57] *** ejray__ has joined #opensolaris[22:48:01] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/634365 - as i was using /dev, is there any way to guess which rev's those two images are? :)[22:48:58] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[22:50:01] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[22:50:12] <throatwarbler> not sure of the question.[22:50:40] * timeless loads http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/schedule/[22:50:51] <trygvis> can sxce boot from a svm raid set?[22:51:01] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[22:51:03] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:51:12] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[22:51:45] <CosmicDJ> trygvis: man metaroot[22:52:00] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[22:52:06] <Tusk2> hey[22:52:08] <trygvis> hm, looks possible indeed[22:52:20] <CosmicDJ> trygvis: what?[22:52:32] <Tusk2> how do i boot in txt mode to look at how i broke my x drivers ??[22:52:33] <trygvis> now, I wonder how easy it would be to install sxce on an existing svm installation[22:52:43] <timeless> so, i'm guessing that -3 was 108 and -4 would be 109[22:52:50] * timeless considers downing this box[22:52:59] <CosmicDJ> trygvis: read the "The only metadev ices that support the root file system are ..." setence again[22:53:13] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[22:53:29] <throatwarbler> I would make that guess. Let me switch over to opensolaris (on nevada now) to see what sort of markers we can find (like pkg info).[22:53:32] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[22:53:44] *** fftb__ has quit IRC[22:54:02] *** ejray_ has quit IRC[22:54:12] * timeless tries to find the grub bootmenu[22:54:28] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[22:54:28] * timeless has edited it a couple of times but obviously not for 2 weeks :)[22:55:33] <timeless> oh, interesting, i have /tmp/.be.jcaiSh and /tmp/.be.HbayRE[22:56:00] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[22:56:21] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[22:56:46] *** chrol_ has quit IRC[22:56:48] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[22:56:55] <throatwarbler> # sudo beadm mount opensolaris-2008.11-initial /mnt[22:57:02] <throatwarbler> cat /etc/release[22:57:02] <throatwarbler> OpenSolaris 2009.06 snv_109 X86[22:57:02] <throatwarbler> Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.[22:57:02] <throatwarbler> Use is subject to license terms.[22:57:02] <throatwarbler> Assembled 05 March 2009[22:57:08] <throatwarbler> cat /mnt/etc/release[22:57:08] <throatwarbler> OpenSolaris 2008.11 snv_101b_rc2 X86[22:57:08] <throatwarbler> Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.[22:57:08] <throatwarbler> Use is subject to license terms.[22:57:10] <throatwarbler> Assembled 19 November 2008[22:57:20] <throatwarbler> So look at /etc/release - that seems to be a good indicator.[22:57:37] * timeless frowns[22:57:44] <timeless> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on[22:57:44] <timeless> rpool/export/home/zones/solaris/test/install/ROOT/zbe-1[22:57:44] <timeless> 123485338 267907 123217431 1% /tmp/.be.jcaiSh[22:57:54] <timeless> am i wrong to expect /tmp/.be.jcaiSh/etc/release to exist?[22:58:42] <CIA-40> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6818144 sn1 brand sysenter syscall interposition is broken[22:59:19] <timeless> timeless@swift:/mnt$ pfexec mkdir q[22:59:22] <timeless> timeless@swift:/mnt$ pfexec beadm mount opensolaris-3 /mnt/q[22:59:23] <timeless> Unable to mount opensolaris-3.[22:59:23] <timeless> Mount busy.[22:59:29] *** bbartek has quit IRC[22:59:40] <throatwarbler> is that a zone or a be ?[23:00:09] <timeless> it's output from beadm list (as i pastebinned earlier)[23:00:12] <lewellyn> or both? ;)[23:00:45] <timeless> my zone is called 'test'[23:01:02] <Tusk2> why does my OS install can't boot in text mode??[23:01:35] <Tusk2> in graphics it's ok, but in text mode it gets crappy[23:01:53] <Tusk2> and not text at all....[23:02:06] <throatwarbler> can you repost the pastebin - lost it when I moved to indiana.[23:02:42] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[23:02:51] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/634371 has a more complete list[23:03:27] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[23:06:01] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[23:06:51] *** gretel has quit IRC[23:07:01] <throatwarbler> hmmmmmm - scratching my head over this one......[23:07:06] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[23:07:30] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[23:07:50] <lewellyn> what are the header bytes of a zfs partition, normally?[23:07:59] <lewellyn> does EB 48 90 00 look sane?[23:08:22] <timeless> zfs get mounted says no for -3 fwiw[23:08:32] <lewellyn> (that's at 0x0000)[23:10:06] * timeless grumbles[23:10:19] <timeless> finding a component is a royal pain, i know its name, but i don't know its product[23:10:19] * lewellyn grumbles, too[23:10:37] <timeless> installer of course[23:10:51] <lewellyn> caiman?[23:11:27] <timeless> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/enter_bug.cgi?product=installer[23:12:00] *** colyte has joined #opensolaris[23:12:34] *** colyte has quit IRC[23:12:46] <lewellyn> awesome. this app didn't back up its changes like i told it to.[23:13:57] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[23:14:22] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[23:15:10] *** colyte has joined #opensolaris[23:15:26] <timeless> Bug 7458 has been added to the database[23:15:33] <timeless> good night/day ; thanks[23:16:33] *** chode has quit IRC[23:16:42] * lewellyn hopes he can boot off install media to fix whatever's wrong :P[23:18:52] <lewellyn> dude. this app did a number on all my partitions. wtf.[23:20:34] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:20:58] *** ejray__ has quit IRC[23:21:12] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[23:27:51] *** twisti__ has joined #opensolaris[23:28:11] *** noyb_ has joined #opensolaris[23:28:26] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[23:28:28] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[23:29:01] *** twisti__ is now known as twisti[23:29:09] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[23:30:26] *** syamajala has quit IRC[23:33:17] *** joanmarie has left #opensolaris[23:33:50] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[23:33:58] *** Tusk2 has left #opensolaris[23:34:28] *** avida has left #opensolaris[23:35:15] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[23:37:24] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[23:37:58] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris[23:41:12] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[23:41:37] *** bbarker|afk is now known as bbarker[23:44:31] *** luc^ has quit IRC[23:46:03] *** mega_ has quit IRC[23:53:32] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[23:54:15] *** erflungued has quit IRC[23:56:23] *** ken1 is now known as ken-zZz[23:56:44] *** clebig has quit IRC[23:57:13] <eklof> oh dladm seems nice.