March 16, 2009 
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March 16, 2009 [00:00:58] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[00:03:26] *** yarihm has quit IRC[00:03:27] *** trichobezoar has quit IRC[00:05:14] <tsoome> there is an answer in your question really.....[00:05:36] <nachox> done[00:06:18] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[00:06:25] <infomomo> hey #opensolaris how are you guys, my solaris 10 vm boots great, but i keep seeing this msg at boot-up : http://i42.tinypic.com/10sdohv.png like i said it doesnt really bother the OS itself, but does to me[00:07:07] <sartek> with elfedit (how) can i change let's say: 'NEEDED libfoo.so.76' to NEEDED libfoo.so.98 ?[00:07:12] <benley> infomomo: you need to set your hostname[00:07:40] *** tamr has quit IRC[00:07:41] <samc> infomomo: put the hostname you want to use for your VM in /etc/nodename[00:08:10] <samc> infomomo: and make sure that hostname is resolvable by putting it against 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts[00:08:22] <samc> or against the network IP of the VM, if it's not using dhcp to get its address[00:08:49] <infomomo> samc: i will put localhost as hostname. file /etc/nodename is not present do i need to create it ?[00:09:07] <samc> yeah, create it if it's not there[00:09:13] *** prdelka has quit IRC[00:09:23] <samc> localhost probably isn't an ideal hostname, but I can't think of a reason why it'd break anything ;P[00:09:29] <samc> you want it to wind up like so --[00:09:30] <samc> [556] blackrock:~ % cat /etc/nodename[00:09:30] <samc> blackrock[00:09:30] <samc> [557] blackrock:~ % grep blackrock /etc/hosts[00:09:31] <samc> 202.78.240.84 blackrock[00:09:43] <samc> of course, replace my ip and hostname with whatever you're using :)[00:09:51] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[00:11:18] *** bubbva has quit IRC[00:11:31] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[00:11:39] <samc> lunch time, I think[00:13:57] *** Tusk21 has quit IRC[00:21:56] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[00:22:14] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[00:24:37] <oenone> i entered failsafe mode, it tells me "Searching for installed OS instances... No installed OS instance found." - how can i solve this?[00:24:39] <infomomo> samc: thanks brother http://i43.tinypic.com/20pevkn.png[00:25:41] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[00:26:03] <oenone> damn[00:26:15] <oenone> it didn't install the cpqary driver[00:27:22] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[00:28:04] <oenone> i hate compaq..[00:28:25] <infomomo> oenone: heheh :D i love HP[00:28:53] <oenone> why is smart array 5i not supported by default? :([00:29:17] *** cwebber has quit IRC[00:30:28] <oenone> if only i could get it booting..[00:32:42] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[00:33:13] <infomomo> oenone: RAID 5 ? or RAID5i ?[00:33:26] <flyingparchment> i think 5i is the hardware model number[00:34:23] <infomomo> flyingparchment: ok, thanks[00:34:44] <Teltariat> How is it possible that I do a svcprop <svcname>, and see a property called "config/vncpasswd", but when I go to set it with "svccfg -s <svcname> setprop config/vncpasswd...", it tells me that there is no such group named "config"? I mean its right there in the output for svcprop![00:35:19] <oenone> infomomo: no raid at all right now..[00:36:48] *** throwt is now known as trichobezoar[00:41:00] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[00:41:12] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[00:42:33] *** kate21de1 has quit IRC[00:43:14] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[00:44:16] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[00:44:57] *** cypromis has quit IRC[00:47:04] <samc> infomomo: no probs :)[00:47:22] *** wdp has quit IRC[00:49:13] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[00:49:22] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:52:48] *** e-jat has quit IRC[00:52:49] *** OpenBuntu has quit IRC[00:53:48] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[00:55:39] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[00:55:57] *** eldee has joined #opensolaris[00:58:32] *** luc^ has quit IRC[00:59:05] *** eldee has quit IRC[01:00:45] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris[01:03:54] *** asarch has quit IRC[01:06:27] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC[01:07:50] *** ravv has quit IRC[01:07:57] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[01:09:23] *** inaddy has quit IRC[01:09:59] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[01:10:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta[01:13:50] *** mikefut has quit IRC[01:22:07] *** niq has quit IRC[01:26:09] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[01:27:19] *** gnut has quit IRC[01:27:47] *** piwi has quit IRC[01:29:07] *** bubbva has quit IRC[01:30:49] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[01:31:42] *** cwebber has quit IRC[01:37:34] *** servo-- has quit IRC[01:39:39] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[01:44:28] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:45:48] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[01:46:58] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[01:47:58] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[01:52:39] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[01:52:41] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[01:55:14] *** Catsceo has quit IRC[01:55:26] *** Catsceo has joined #opensolaris[01:56:00] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:57:40] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[02:00:07] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[02:02:59] *** tamr has quit IRC[02:06:05] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[02:08:28] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[02:09:21] *** jteo has quit IRC[02:14:27] *** joanmarie has joined #opensolaris[02:15:34] *** Teknix has left #opensolaris[02:16:13] <nachox> there isnt a bittorrent client for opensolaris, right?[02:16:43] <CosmicDJ> Transmission[02:17:44] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[02:18:09] <nachox> never heard of it[02:18:30] <victori> anyone know how to reset netstat -s statistics?[02:19:27] <CosmicDJ> victori: reboot ;)[02:19:45] <victori> never![02:19:51] <victori> oh well no big deal[02:20:10] <CosmicDJ> or mdb, but no idea how and smth could break...[02:20:54] <victori> Opensolaris's default tcp queue size should be adjusted from 128 max connections to something more reasonable such as 1024+[02:25:06] <infomomo> victori: netsta -z won't reset interfaces ?[02:26:05] <victori> there is no -z option[02:27:09] <infomomo> victori: looks like it is not going to happen unless you: The data is located at /proc/net/dev so it is not writeable. You clear the counters by unloading and reloading[02:27:09] <infomomo> a network driver module (ifconfig ethX down; rmmod ethX;insmod ethX;ifconfig ethX).[02:27:30] <nachox> ethX?[02:27:36] <nachox> rmmod?[02:27:46] <nachox> insmod?[02:28:02] <nachox> is this still opensolaris or linux?[02:28:34] <infomomo> ooooooooooohhh! sorry brother :( totally mistook #channels[02:29:52] <infomomo> from all that i have read, you will need a reboot :([02:29:57] <infomomo> what is your uptime ?[02:32:02] <infomomo> victori: look into "netstat -C"[02:32:34] <victori> there is no -C argument[02:32:37] <victori> no reset in man page[02:33:03] <victori> I don't care about uptime, just don't want to take down a service in use 24/7[02:34:25] *** comay has quit IRC[02:36:21] *** capaz has quit IRC[02:39:16] *** arpunk has quit IRC[02:41:59] *** ahmed-tux has quit IRC[02:50:14] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[02:55:17] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[02:56:18] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[03:02:33] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[03:03:01] *** Teknix has joined #opensolaris[03:04:15] *** neoxed has quit IRC[03:07:18] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[03:11:52] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[03:13:31] *** gaveen has quit IRC[03:14:28] *** silk has quit IRC[03:15:08] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[03:19:56] *** kimc has quit IRC[03:19:56] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[03:20:28] *** kate21de has quit IRC[03:21:15] *** infomomo has quit IRC[03:28:30] *** capaz has quit IRC[03:28:38] *** bbarker|afk is now known as bbarker[03:33:18] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[03:35:18] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[03:37:51] *** m3t4l has joined #opensolaris[03:38:30] *** m3t4l has left #opensolaris[03:52:21] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[04:07:06] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[04:13:19] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:14:28] *** photon_chac has quit IRC[04:15:36] *** alain10 has quit IRC[04:16:26] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[04:24:19] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[04:24:39] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris[04:25:11] *** prathyush-zZz has quit IRC[04:30:29] *** e-jat has quit IRC[04:34:43] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[04:34:46] <deena> hi[04:40:07] *** gm152 has quit IRC[04:44:36] <Teltariat> 'lo[04:45:24] <deena> i want to install opensolaris locally[04:45:34] <deena> but i have already linux partition in my system[04:45:50] <deena> since i am try to install it is not showing those partition[04:46:05] <deena> how can i install without deleting any of my linux partition[04:46:12] <Teltariat> I think you should be able to specify which partition you want to install Solaris on, but I might be wrong.[04:46:23] <Teltariat> I haven't done that before, so I can't be of much help, sorry.[04:47:06] <deena> but when I click install solaris it shows only fat on first drive and LBA[04:47:11] <deena> it is showing any other[04:47:54] <deena> is there any way to install from command line to tell the block size to start from and to[04:56:22] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[04:58:44] <CIA-40> yong tan - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Yong.Tan at Sun dot COM>: 6751832 bge driver need to support Broadcom 5723 chipset[05:00:53] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:03:34] *** hotaru2k3 has joined #OpenSolaris[05:08:47] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[05:15:32] *** bbarker is now known as bbarker|afk[05:20:34] *** pkoc has joined #opensolaris[05:24:06] <pkoc> hi, anybody facing issues with adobe flash on b109 ... all videos on youtube are very choppy it gets stuck[05:30:44] <pkoc> but sound works good[05:41:45] *** proberts has quit IRC[05:45:08] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[05:45:22] *** Bartman007 has quit IRC[05:46:12] *** Bartman007 has joined #opensolaris[05:48:28] *** deena has quit IRC[05:49:25] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[05:49:35] *** ken1 has quit IRC[05:49:48] <dclarke> I'm having trouble booting sxce on an older machine .. I wonder what to door[05:49:52] <dclarke> I'm having trouble booting sxce on an older machine .. I wonder what to do[05:50:49] <dclarke> this : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/IMSAI_8080.jpg[05:50:52] <dclarke> :-P[05:52:32] * dclarke wanders away[05:53:22] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[05:54:42] <oninoshiko> lol[05:57:43] <e^ipi> dennis, you're canadian[05:57:51] <e^ipi> how long does it take the government to process your tax return?[05:58:55] <dclarke> mine, months .. I have accountants[05:59:14] <dclarke> I do year end in Jan and Feb and then inventory statements etc etc[05:59:20] <e^ipi> hmm[05:59:22] <dclarke> GST/PST remittantces etc[05:59:25] <dclarke> months[05:59:38] <e^ipi> i used quicktax's in-browser thing[05:59:41] <e^ipi> cost me $14[05:59:47] <dclarke> umm .. I have to do this for three corps[05:59:57] <dclarke> and it cost me $3100+ this year[06:00:09] <dclarke> all in all .. not bad ,[06:01:15] <e^ipi> i meant your personal income tax[06:01:25] <dclarke> bah .. who cares[06:01:30] <dclarke> I hardly have any[06:01:53] <dclarke> sorry .. I'm a poor choice to compare to[06:01:58] <e^ipi> *shrug*[06:02:09] <e^ipi> i'm getting all my tax back except like, 21 cents or thereabouts[06:02:22] <e^ipi> the one advantage to making next to nothing...[06:02:33] <e^ipi> just wondering when i can start expecting to see a cheque[06:02:48] <dclarke> in my case, never[06:02:55] <dclarke> in your case, any day now[06:03:06] <dclarke> the cheque for one of my companies came in last week[06:03:15] <dclarke> it was mostly GST stuff however[06:05:40] <e^ipi> well, here's hoping anyways[06:12:02] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[06:12:10] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[06:14:54] *** wbkang has quit IRC[06:22:11] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[06:28:16] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[06:29:52] *** bbarker|afk is now known as bbarker[06:31:39] *** kate21de has quit IRC[06:32:28] *** [JT] has quit IRC[06:38:21] *** klg has joined #opensolaris[06:38:58] <klg> hi![06:39:19] <klg> how can i make python2.5 as the default python interpreter on opensolaris[06:41:42] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[06:45:03] *** z5441ztty has joined #opensolaris[06:49:15] *** klg has left #opensolaris[06:50:49] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:58:52] <Teltariat> I ask this all the time[06:58:52] <Teltariat> but[06:59:03] <Teltariat> how do I find out which process is attached to a specific network port?[07:00:55] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[07:04:19] *** ken1 is now known as ken-work[07:05:15] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:09:37] *** mitrox has quit IRC[07:12:23] *** ihammers has joined #opensolaris[07:13:36] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris[07:13:55] * bubbva is away: sleeping[07:14:57] *** niq has quit IRC[07:16:14] <palowoda> Teltariat: I just use a simple script that uses pfiles to get the pid.[07:16:23] <palowoda> http://rafb.net/p/UQ1IgH31.html[07:16:45] <palowoda> pidport.sh 80 As an example.[07:16:59] *** krisis has joined #opensolaris[07:18:44] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:21:17] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[07:22:02] *** thunderbyte has joined #opensolaris[07:25:45] *** benr has joined #opensolaris[07:25:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benr[07:26:53] *** ihammers has left #opensolaris[07:27:28] *** benr changes topic to "OpenSolaris Annual Meeting is on #opensolaris-meeting | SXCE 109, ON 110, IPS 109 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://www.pastealacon.com/"[07:27:44] *** lesterc has quit IRC[07:29:52] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[07:30:07] <Teltariat> thanks palowoda[07:30:40] <lblume> Oh, Hi people, and palowoda, too.[07:30:54] <palowoda> Howdy.[07:32:58] <benr> hey bob... long time no see.[07:33:38] <palowoda> Yeah, I'm still hanging around. Hope your move went smooth out to the valley.[07:34:04] <benr> oh ya... that was way back.[07:34:17] <benr> everything is happy and sane outside the valley. :)[07:34:18] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[07:34:29] <palowoda> Lot's of homes for sale out there.[07:34:48] <benr> tons...[07:34:55] <benr> affordable ones... big ones..[07:35:34] *** estibi_ has quit IRC[07:35:45] <palowoda> I can even find a builder now (lot's of them) to work on a vacation home up in Lassen.[07:36:48] <benr> Lassen's nice.... I don't think I'd be in the Bay Area if I had that. :)[07:37:41] <palowoda> One of the reasons that scares me if I do it. It's like God's country up there.[07:38:29] <benr> it is. :)[07:38:33] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[07:39:27] <palowoda> Anyways fiver years ago non of the developers would even schedule anything for two years. Boy has that changed now. Now I have them in a bidding war.[07:39:43] *** farsan_ is now known as farsan[07:39:46] <benr> nice. :)[07:40:14] <codestr0m> benr: welcome back..[07:40:48] *** SPFhome has joined #opensolaris[07:41:21] *** pkoc has quit IRC[07:41:29] *** e1kg has quit IRC[07:41:36] <palowoda> benr: By the way have you made up your mind if your going to run for the board?[07:41:51] <benr> its too late...[07:41:58] <palowoda> Ah.[07:42:00] <benr> I intentionally let the clock run out.[07:42:10] <benr> I neither wanted to accept or decline.[07:43:19] <codestr0m> with all the fighting you did about the constitution it's no doubt.. very well written btw[07:43:36] <benr> thanks, but all on deaf ears.[07:43:48] <benr> the constitution is illegal... the board is useless...[07:43:55] <benr> its all a waste of time.[07:44:08] <lblume> I'm close to thinking the same thing.[07:44:09] <palowoda> It's going that direction.[07:44:17] <benr> gone...... past tense.[07:44:29] <benr> the last (current) OGB was a joke.[07:44:40] <benr> if they can't get it together, I don't think anyone can.[07:44:44] <palowoda> The latest psarc crap is a good example.[07:44:57] <codestr0m> , but the revisions wouldn't fly because having opensolaris more independent isn't their goal[07:44:58] <codestr0m> not really[07:44:58] <codestr0m> months ago I've stepped out of this.. and yeah.. I'm a bit grumpy we can't fix the current thing, but I keep focusing on my stuff[07:44:58] <codestr0m> benr: btw.. we applied for GSoC in place of sun[07:44:59] <codestr0m> I'm working with a couple PM to possible have them get mentors and still push some projects zfs/other related[07:45:03] <benr> whats the deal with psarc?[07:45:08] <codestr0m> benr: welcome to the world of the real[07:45:28] <palowoda> Alan B toke the archives offline without telling anyone until it happened.[07:45:50] <lblume> There was some discussion about that on website-discuss, but I didn't follow closely.[07:46:14] <palowoda> You could see John P. getting a bit pissed about it.[07:46:18] <benr> palowoda: I thought I saw several advance warnings about the archives going away.[07:46:27] <benr> i guess I didn't follow it closely enough.[07:46:45] <benr> i only browse ARC when I'm reading up on ONNV changelogs[07:46:52] <lblume> Was'nt it related to the issues they had on the website until last week?[07:46:53] <palowoda> Well Alan B toke it offline because it was causing the website to crash.[07:47:14] <palowoda> What one day experiment to permanant.[07:47:26] <benr> isn't that what SMF is for? :)[07:47:54] <palowoda> What ever now they have to clean the mess up.[07:48:55] <lblume> Jive had issues as well.[07:49:06] <lblume> The whole webssite was crumbling down, it seems.[07:49:10] <palowoda> Jive will always have issues.[07:49:31] <codestr0m> about the jive software stuff.. I've been working with the jive guys lately and it's not their fault[07:49:35] <codestr0m> sun refuses to update it[07:49:42] <codestr0m> they newer version solves a lot of the problems[07:49:54] <palowoda> Great.[07:49:59] <Teltariat> How do I export the CD-ROM device to a domU in the Xen Domain configuration file?[07:50:15] <codestr0m> I know. . they gave our group a developer license and it works great for us[07:51:06] *** gkl_ has joined #opensolaris[07:51:23] *** gkl has quit IRC[07:51:29] *** gkl_ is now known as gkl[07:51:46] * dclarke drifts in quietly, almost like a ghost[07:51:55] <benr> howde Dennis.[07:52:03] <dclarke> Good day Sir[07:52:22] <dclarke> has life been well ? how is your daughter and wife ?[07:52:27] <oninoshiko> Ive noticed alot of ignoring anyone who has anything to say that isn't towing the party line[07:52:47] *** nitrile has quit IRC[07:53:04] <benr> dclarke: All 3 kids are doing well... Tamarah is excelling always. thanks. ;)[07:53:17] <dclarke> wasn't aware of the 3, oops[07:53:26] <benr> ya, we just can't stop ourselves. ;)[07:53:29] <palowoda> oninoshiko: When you reduce your workforce over and over and over your going to see less communication.[07:53:35] <benr> When I have 7 we can overtake the board.[07:53:36] <dclarke> knew about the popular little girl running on your website however .. cute[07:53:48] <dclarke> ha ha[07:53:51] <dclarke> I have four[07:53:59] <dclarke> a wide range however[07:54:05] <benr> ages?[07:54:19] <dclarke> the little one knows me as the man in front of a deck of computers next to the network rack[07:54:32] <dclarke> well ... 22, 17, 15[07:54:34] <dclarke> and 4[07:54:38] <palowoda> wow[07:54:40] <benr> wow, that is a range. :)[07:55:01] <dclarke> yeah, one day Tracey comes to me and says honey, you need to sit down[07:55:08] <dclarke> back in 2002 or so[07:55:09] <benr> hahaha[07:55:19] <dclarke> or .. no .. 2003[07:55:26] <benr> ours are all nicely bunched up.... 5, 3, 0[07:55:39] <oninoshiko> dclarke: i was going to say, that math wasnt adding up quite right[07:55:43] <benr> this decade is passing too quickly. :)[07:55:43] <dclarke> woohoo .. Mr. I_can_change_diapers_in_the_dark[07:55:48] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[07:56:05] <dclarke> that is an excellent grouping,[07:56:06] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[07:56:12] <palowoda> Such newbies, my two are out of college now, phew![07:56:18] <dclarke> no child will ever be without a dear companion[07:56:35] *** SPF has quit IRC[07:57:16] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[07:57:34] *** Tusk2 has left #opensolaris[07:57:41] <dclarke> gents, I really must shove off, I had to push out python updates, curl and such before calling it a night[07:57:50] <benr> good day to you sir.[07:57:58] <palowoda> and good night too.[07:57:58] <benr> sleep well[07:58:23] <dclarke> the community, whatever it has become , is still a bit fragmented into islands I think, I may foever be on mine here .. and people are always welcome[07:58:42] <palowoda> Same as it ever was.[07:58:44] <dclarke> until next time , have fin with all those kids[07:58:54] <benr> will do[07:58:57] <dclarke> palowoda: the more things change .. the more they .. you know[07:59:04] <dclarke> s/fin/fun[07:59:29] <dclarke> must go into batch compile mode now[07:59:32] <dclarke> ttyl[07:59:36] <codestr0m> dclarke: we've all tried and it's like herding cats..[07:59:37] <codestr0m> nite[07:59:49] <lblume> 'night[08:00:10] * dclarke vanishes into a puff of low res bits and burnt out pixels[08:00:11] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[08:00:38] *** e-jat has quit IRC[08:01:11] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[08:02:49] *** gkl has quit IRC[08:03:56] <palowoda> You want to read an interesting thread on a LSARC case try this one: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=93427&tstart=75[08:04:53] <palowoda> This ldap situation is rediculuous.[08:06:02] *** gkl has joined #opensolaris[08:06:26] <benr> there is a fight i want to avoid. ;)[08:06:39] <benr> I'll stay buried in zfs land, thank you very much. ;)[08:07:06] <palowoda> Well Sun's management has to make some sort of desission about it. That should take ages.[08:07:37] <palowoda> Opps my spelling hit the crapper.[08:07:45] *** frankS2 has quit IRC[08:07:55] <benr> so i'm just scanning this... but is the issue replacing the native client?[08:08:19] *** Traveler8 has joined #opensolaris[08:08:19] <palowoda> Yeah kind of. What can you do if you have conflicting functions?[08:08:30] *** frankS2 has joined #opensolaris[08:08:32] <benr> selectively link. :)[08:08:34] <palowoda> You can only go with one shared lib.[08:08:45] <palowoda> And Sun laid off the ldap team.[08:08:50] <palowoda> Now what?[08:08:56] <Traveler8> hey I am trying to compile xmlstarlet and I am having errors: gcc: /usr/lib/libxslt.a: No such file or directory, gcc: /usr/lib/libexslt.a: No such file or directory, gcc: /usr/lib/libxml2.a: No such file or directory. I have those files in .so form at /usr/lib, what may I do, thanks.[08:09:26] <palowoda> I'd recommend not static linking.[08:09:58] <Traveler8> erm, I'm a bit ignorant, how may I static link them ?[08:09:59] <codestr0m> Traveler8: -lxslt[08:10:03] *** joanmarie has quit IRC[08:10:22] <Traveler8> codestr0m: ehm, thanks let me try that[08:10:26] <codestr0m> and if the file doesn't exist then maybe --disable-static or change the makefile or.. I'm not sure with more details[08:10:32] <codestr0m> without*[08:10:50] <Traveler8> if I change .a's to .so's in makefile, would it work ?[08:11:35] <codestr0m> Traveler8: umm.. time to read the man page for either sun cc or gcc.. this is however a linker problem so man ld could also help[08:11:46] <lblume> palowoda: Huh, LDAP libs in Solaris.... I didn't imagine the fun was going there, too.[08:12:43] <Traveler8> codestr0m: thank you very much, I am on it right now..[08:14:46] <codestr0m> Traveler8: also if you replace any *.a file with *.so file you're normally doing an explicit version linking.. which is not really what you normally want.. fix the makefile or possibly don't use gcc.. pkg install sunstudioexpress gives you the sun compiler[08:15:09] *** j0nas has quit IRC[08:15:33] <palowoda> lblume: I'm sure a lot of people hope nobody reads that LSARC case and understand it and hope the problem disappears with magic. But magic is where the fun is.[08:17:49] *** jteo has quit IRC[08:18:02] <Traveler8> codestr0m: actually I am not on opensolaris, this is sun solaris 10.1 I guess I am now working on, and it does not have pkg at the moment[08:18:21] <lblume> magic = someone is going to be so pissed off with the problem that he/she will fix it on his/her own time? Though LDAP is so central, and the libs so incompatible.... This link you provided is kind of surreal.[08:19:53] <palowoda> It's actually the best surreal discussion I've seen in a long time. Hmy head is still spinning.[08:20:05] <palowoda> s/Hmy/My[08:22:51] * frankS2 is installing opensolaris for first time :) partitionging now[08:22:56] <lblume> And those things are so tangible for, I've run into Solaris LDAP/OpenLDAP incompatibility not long ago. Atrocious. Brrrr, that they don't know where they're going is scary.[08:23:24] <oninoshiko> palowoda: no kidding. how far down does this rabbit hole go?[08:23:53] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:25:16] <oninoshiko> SMI doesnt care to work on it properly, but the OGB will/can not take the helm...[08:25:20] <palowoda> oninoshiko: It's a big one. And shows all kinds of aspects of a big company working with an open community.[08:25:21] <oninoshiko> err ARC[08:26:17] <oninoshiko> I'll admit that after the whole branding fiasco i stopped paying much attention to governance[08:26:38] <codestr0m> "This case timed out today, there are no unresolved issues in the thread [now that this case does not depend on 2009/123 after project team dissociated them] and there is at least one ok from James. Closing as approved."[08:26:55] <codestr0m> no unresolved issues! ?[08:27:52] <lblume> I'm not yet at the bottom is it the "I completely agree [on the nature of the problem, not the solution]" by James that counts as an ok?[08:27:56] <oninoshiko> the person proposing the changes removed all the bits about LDAP. apperently he wanted to git something done rather then chase his tail[08:28:02] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:28:37] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[08:28:42] <palowoda> Wasn't case 2009/123 derailed?[08:29:02] *** codestr0m is now known as codestr0m|afk[08:29:05] <lblume> Ah, no, I was right above it, so the LDAP part was removed. It leaves the LDAP issue unresolved, but that's something else.[08:29:36] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[08:30:32] <palowoda> See how the two cases intertwine.[08:30:57] <palowoda> Oh my, the pea is under which nut?[08:31:22] <lblume> Do you have a direct link for 123? slow internet for me, sorry :-/[08:31:53] <oninoshiko> Yes, I also see why he gave up.[08:31:56] <palowoda> That is another issue they took the archives off line.[08:32:14] <palowoda> Now we have the third nut.[08:32:19] * oninoshiko has been a little annoied about that[08:32:55] <oninoshiko> well i need to go to bed... physical theripy in the morning[08:33:51] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[08:33:53] <lblume> 'night, then[08:35:46] *** syd` has joined #opensolaris[08:36:29] <palowoda> Ah, here a thread on 123: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=93425&tstart=75[08:36:55] <palowoda> Heck just go to the last message.[08:39:27] <lblume> I see. I love it when both sides have very good arguments in their favor, just a different viewpoint. Who's in charge of taking the decision nowadays?[08:39:56] <palowoda> I guess "the management". Good luck.[08:40:14] <oninoshiko> noone, that's the problem[08:40:35] <palowoda> And thus hopefully nobody important notices it.[08:41:09] *** SPFhome is now known as SPF[08:41:43] <lblume> Anybody important and that understand what LDAP libs are, and why they matter? :-)[08:42:11] <palowoda> I try to envision me as the manager. And have nothing short of nightmares thinking about it.[08:42:43] <lblume> Or somebdoy important that will decide "Oh, that's easy, just renamee it as Java LDAP System or somehting"[08:43:24] <palowoda> Oh that is another good one to bring up the Java LDAP how it's dependent.[08:43:49] <lblume> It all seems to assume that the change have to be in Solaris. Is that so difficult to modify Apache/PHP to add Solaris LDAP support? Or wouldn't they accept patches?[08:44:21] <palowoda> The LDAP team from Sun?[08:44:41] <palowoda> The one they rif'ed?[08:44:48] *** z5441ztty has quit IRC[08:45:11] <lblume> My WAG is that Java LDAP usesa reimplementatio as JNI.[08:45:51] <palowoda> The java ldap will just be a third rail to the issue.[08:46:10] <lblume> It would be rather in the scope of the web teams, those handling Apache.[08:46:28] <lblume> Which are hopefully still there.[08:47:02] <palowoda> Still there with hands tied behind backs.[08:47:44] *** syd`_ has quit IRC[08:48:02] <lblume> Not able to interface with the outside world?[08:48:27] <palowoda> Not able to compete with blastwave, sunfreeware and opencsw.[08:48:41] <palowoda> compete[08:49:24] <palowoda> Ahhg, the whole issue is a common developers platform.[08:50:18] <lblume> Has to be a middle way - those are not exactly what I'd like on a production server, really. When I had to use them, I built a card castle, and I'm glad it's not me in charge of it anymore ...[08:51:14] <palowoda> I'm interested in what are the "middle way" discussions? Where do they take place?[08:53:26] <palowoda> I'm not expecting someone on an IRC channel to actually answer those questions. Just keep it up for "open awareness".[08:56:10] <palowoda> I do expect some of the Sun management to resolve the issue while I'm out fishing in a timely manner though.[08:56:39] <palowoda> Otherwise they can't be worth much. :)[08:56:48] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:57:06] <lblume> Don't you have internet when you fish?[08:57:31] <palowoda> Nah it's so remote no cell services.[08:57:34] *** m3t4l has joined #opensolaris[08:58:38] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[08:58:46] <asyd> \_o<[08:59:48] *** free has quit IRC[08:59:58] *** free has joined #opensolaris[09:01:18] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris[09:02:51] <lblume> palowoda: Iridium?[09:02:56] <lblume> :-)[09:03:21] <palowoda> If I could afford that. But that is only voice.[09:03:34] <qiyong> is device major number differnt from one installatino to another or one releas to another?[09:05:41] <palowoda> qiyoung: Should it be?[09:05:43] <qiyong> which pkg make is in?[09:05:44] <lblume> Different from one install to another[09:05:57] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[09:05:59] <qiyong> palowoda: ?[09:06:06] <qiyong> lblume: thanks[09:06:31] <lblume> Don't count on it, use the Stable or Committed interface, or whatever they're called today.[09:06:49] <qiyong> where pkg make is in ?[09:07:11] <codestr0m|afk> qiyong: you may need these most of the time SUNWflexlex, SUNWgnu-mpfr, SUNWgnu-mp, SUNWgmake, SUNWxwinc, SUNWaudh, SUNWxorg-headers, SUNWgnome-common-devel[09:07:11] <palowoda> which pkg is "make" in?[09:07:24] <codestr0m|afk> qiyong: also pkg search -r make will tell you or gmake[09:07:43] <palowoda> Assuming Indiana.[09:07:51] <qiyong> codestr0m|afk: i only have pkgadd, no pkg[09:07:53] <codestr0m|afk> palowoda: this is #opensolaris[09:08:09] <palowoda> opensolaris is undefined.[09:08:19] <codestr0m|afk> oh I won't even argue this :P[09:08:39] * codestr0m|afk wonders if sol10 and sxce are also opensolaris :P[09:08:51] <qiyong> which pkg is "make" in?[09:08:52] *** codestr0m|afk is now known as codestr0m[09:08:55] *** mib_bu39j6 has joined #opensolaris[09:09:11] <palowoda> grep make /var/install/contents[09:09:35] <qiyong> palowoda: i don't have /var/install[09:10:06] <palowoda> sorry /var/sadm/install/contents[09:10:54] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:11:29] *** benr has quit IRC[09:11:39] <mib_bu39j6> Hi. can someone help me figure out a little problem with CIFS shares on opensolaris?[09:12:15] <frankS2> Hello how can i get the "pkgtool" binary?[09:12:18] <qiyong> palowoda: i don't have make installed[09:12:23] *** hsp is now known as hsp_away[09:12:50] <asyd> pkgtool?[09:13:05] <qiyong> pkgtool: Command not found.[09:13:16] <qiyong> man[09:13:16] <qiyong> man: Command not found.[09:13:22] <palowoda> qiyoung: You mean you just didn't install everything.[09:13:55] <qiyong> sxce used to be broken, so i have to chose the minimal installation[09:13:59] <qiyong> i have pkgadd[09:14:20] <qiyong> the minimal install in order to be able to finish the install[09:14:33] <palowoda> It's in SUNWsprot but what other stuff you don't have install is up to you.[09:14:36] *** m3t4l has left #opensolaris[09:15:06] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[09:15:18] <qiyong> thanks for sprot, it is what i'm for palowoda[09:15:53] <palowoda> Why do people worry about minimal installs being important is beyond me. Disk space is not expensive these days.[09:16:26] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[09:16:43] <qiyong> palowoda: install is always broken other than minimal, the install process can't finish[09:17:05] *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC[09:17:41] <palowoda> qiyoung: That is a new one. Never seen reports on installs failing with other than minimal.[09:17:47] <qiyong> what sprot stands for? palowoda[09:18:10] <qiyong> my box hardware's are odd or borken[09:18:17] <palowoda> sun bundled tools[09:18:35] <palowoda> qiyoung: I see you have a hardware problem.[09:18:51] <qiyong> or driver problem[09:18:59] <qiyong> but it works ok after install[09:19:08] <palowoda> Nah, just a bullshit problem.[09:19:22] <qiyong> sprot, sun pro? tools palowoda[09:19:51] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[09:20:06] <palowoda> Well after you install it do a pkginfo SUNWsprot.[09:20:09] <_setuid_H> Morning all[09:20:10] * oenone will buy some new CDs to burn the drivers on it and follow http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01153970/c01153970.pdf[09:20:13] <palowoda> But how cares.[09:20:19] <palowoda> s/how/who[09:21:46] <palowoda> oenone: Cool when is HP going to be part of SXCE/Indian/Opensolaris just like this channel?[09:21:48] <mib_bu39j6> hey. Im trying to recreate an existing server scenario on an opensolaris machine. The Opensolaris machine is supposed to be the file server to a windows network (file server only, workgroup based. activedirectory integration and so on is not needed). The idea is to have one network share with numerous folders inside. each 'folder' is owned by a group which has full access, all over users of the network only have re[09:22:40] <oenone> palowoda: i'm trying to install SXCE on my HP server[09:23:10] <palowoda> oenone: So you qoute a document from HP on Solaris 10 support?[09:23:20] <mib_bu39j6> the problem is: when I share my ZFS pool 'tank', all filesystems created inside become their own network share, rather than being accessible through the share of 'tank'. I can access shares like 'tank_group1' just fine, but when i try to access the fs 'group1' inside the share of 'tank', i get an access denied error. Anyone?[09:23:36] <oenone> it contains instructions how to install the necessary drivers[09:24:01] <oenone> i failed in my previous attempt, so now i'll try this way[09:24:07] <palowoda> oenone: HP needs to update their docs for SXCE.[09:24:30] <oenone> hm.. so you mean, it could be outdated?[09:25:22] <palowoda> oenone: HP only talks to Johnathon for blogging PR. Short of that I don't know the answer.[09:26:11] <oenone> okay, i'll try following that guide and then report to hp what didn't work or worked differently[09:26:23] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:26:31] <mib_bu39j6> any help on my issue would be greatly appreciated :)[09:26:56] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:26:57] <palowoda> I'm sure HP will come out with more support with SXCE and Indiana in the near future.[09:27:36] <palowoda> After all HPUX isn't doing much these days. :)[09:28:14] <oenone> i had hpux on my hp pa-risc ^^[09:28:44] <palowoda> Boy you do go back a ways.[09:29:45] <DTEIT> morning[09:29:58] <mib_bu39j6> afternoon[09:30:09] <palowoda> I won't apologize for Sun and HP's relationship than.[09:30:36] <lblume> My memory needs to be refreshed: when installing over an existing zboot, does Solaris/OpenSolaris overwrites the whole zpool, or only the zfs called rpool?[09:31:33] <palowoda> creates a new rpool.[09:31:58] <palowoda> with lu I assume.[09:32:07] <mib_bu39j6> anyone interested in giving this opensolaris newbie some advice on how the sharing stuff works?[09:32:23] <lblume> No, install fromm media[09:32:46] <palowoda> lblume: Are you doing a new initial install?[09:33:07] <lblume> not me, but yes, that's the idea.[09:33:53] <palowoda> Well yes it's going to create a new pool.[09:34:35] <lblume> ok, that's what I remembered, but wanted to make sure, thanks![09:34:51] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[09:35:08] <palowoda> mib_bu39j6: Not many smb admins hanging around tonight.[09:35:40] <mib_bu39j6> palowoda: thanks for the info[09:35:59] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[09:38:03] <mib_bu39j6> palowoda: perhaps the problem is smaller than I think. I dont know. Ive fiddled with OpenSolaris no more than 48 hrs[09:38:56] <palowoda> I'm sure there is a lot to learn from the cifs documentation on the opensolaris and sun.com websites.[09:39:38] <palowoda> The only know issue that I'm aware with is guest mode in workgroups is introduced in build 109 or 110 forget which one.[09:40:07] <palowoda> Not that familiar with AD authentication issues.[09:40:26] <mib_bu39j6> palowoda: thanks, you pointed me to those documentations before the weekend. I had a look around[09:43:58] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[09:46:58] <mib_bu39j6> palowoda: No AD required at all. its all just workgroup based. I'll try to see if i can learn anything else from the documents later this evening[09:49:45] *** lesterc has quit IRC[09:49:46] <palowoda> Well I've been been compiling my own samba and using it with with with solaris with no problems with windows clients. I'm sure cifs isn't that bad. Heck even the normal sambe is available in the sfw. So you really have two versions of smb available too you. You make the choice. They seem to both work.[09:50:13] <palowoda> s/sambe/samba[09:52:45] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[09:53:26] *** mib_bu39j6 has quit IRC[09:53:27] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[09:53:56] <palowoda> I apologize for compiling and using my own version of samba, but I get brownie points for being the local nutcase.[09:55:18] <tsoome> lol[09:55:53] *** mib_j0p1jkax has joined #opensolaris[09:56:53] *** cypromis has quit IRC[09:56:57] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis[09:57:42] <lblume> palowoda: What version of Samba?[09:58:27] <lblume> I'm still expecting some solution to ACL issues in the Samba that comes with S10, and it seems that would need to come from Samba itself.[09:58:47] <palowoda> I'm out of date 3.0.25.[09:58:47] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[09:59:34] <lblume> If you're compiling, can't you at least be bleeding edge, like some 3.2 or 4 beta, or even -dev? :-D[10:00:18] <palowoda> Hey man I just got all my Apache and modules working 64bit.[10:01:19] <palowoda> At least with gcc 4.3.[10:01:37] <palowoda> And that is with mysql 5.1 64bit.[10:01:50] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[10:02:08] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[10:02:25] <lblume> I could do that too if I really cared ;-)[10:02:48] *** Phenox_ has joined #OpenSolaris[10:03:31] <palowoda> I expect a report within at least 24 hrs. :)[10:03:42] <palowoda> Chop chop.[10:03:51] <lblume> I'm doing a 32/64 package of ScummVM, isn't that enough?[10:04:14] <palowoda> No brownie points for you.[10:04:30] <lblume> You unfair Western Imperialist![10:04:43] <palowoda> Better fish here. :)[10:04:54] <Keso> ALL: is zfs encryption a part of OSOL ?[10:04:59] <palowoda> No[10:05:03] <palowoda> Don't ask again.[10:05:11] <palowoda> Until I say so.[10:05:20] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[10:05:37] <lblume> But here, there are turtles too.[10:05:52] <lblume> Have you ever gone turtling?[10:06:02] <palowoda> Hmm, that is one thing I haven't had turtle soup.[10:06:38] <palowoda> I want to try kangaroo too.[10:06:47] <lblume> I can go pick a live turtle for you in the nearest supermarket, and mail it to you.[10:06:56] <lblume> Kangaroo is borig.[10:07:02] <lblume> boring.[10:07:24] <lblume> Too hard, just some kind of fashionable meat.[10:07:53] <palowoda> Best I've had is Bear chilly.[10:08:12] <palowoda> And Cougar meat.[10:08:37] <lblume> I'm not really interested by carnivore meat. Is it good?[10:09:23] <palowoda> The Cougar was the best. It actually was a cat that attacked my friend.[10:09:58] <lblume> You could have eaten your friend with the cougar. Would have been even more original.[10:10:48] <palowoda> Actually the cougar was eating his chickens. Than decided to attack him. But unforntunate to the cat he was carrying.[10:11:55] <lblume> Hmmm, agreed, eating the chickens with the cougar wouldn't be worth it.[10:13:26] <palowoda> You would be amazed how many wild animals want to eat chickens.[10:14:15] *** e1mer has quit IRC[10:14:23] <lblume> Aren't they aware how full of chemicals and various ungodly food substitute they are?[10:15:22] <palowoda> Organic chickens, this guy feeds them only the best veggies. And every bear and cat and fox has an interesting suprise.[10:17:15] <lblume> Well, in the end, they're still contaminated by chemicals and some unhealthy alloys, poor beasts.[10:18:17] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[10:18:22] <palowoda> I could say an interesting story where he ran out naked from his bedroom to shoot a bear in the chicken cage but had the wrong gun with snake shot only to turn and run back to the house for a bigger gun. :)[10:19:13] *** yousef has joined #opensolaris[10:19:58] <yousef> hi[10:20:28] <lblume> Hmmmm, wouldn't that be running afoul of some decency act? I thought it was a very big deal to run naked in the US.[10:20:53] <palowoda> It's funnier to run around naked with the wrong gun.[10:20:56] *** lesterc has quit IRC[10:21:56] <lblume> His chickens are a kind of bait, right? :-D[10:22:10] *** klg234 has joined #opensolaris[10:22:12] <palowoda> Nah he really depends on them for food.[10:22:44] <yousef> I'm using opensolaris 2008.11, and my wireless card is detected and work properly... however, I can't seem to connect to wpa2 network (using the network manager)... is there any specific package I need to install?[10:23:04] <palowoda> Which wireless brand card?[10:23:05] <yousef> works*, wpa2 networks*[10:23:06] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[10:23:12] <yousef> ipw 3945[10:23:57] <palowoda> Hmm thought I've head at least wpa working with that brand. Does wpa work first?[10:24:10] <palowoda> Than try wpa2[10:24:10] <lblume> palowoda: Dining out tonight, so got to dress up now, see you, cougar-eater![10:24:31] <lblume> Bye, channel![10:24:41] <palowoda> lblume: Enjoy the turtle soup, later.[10:26:21] <yousef> I haven't tried this... but when I go to System -> Administration -> Network -> wpi0 -> Properties, there's no option to change the wireless security authentication/encryption/whatever method... it only says "Key type" (with two options: "Plain (ASCII)" and "hexadecimal") and a textbox for "WEP key"[10:26:58] <palowoda> yousef: What version of SXCE or Indiana are you using?[10:27:11] <palowoda> Oh .11[10:27:14] <yousef> palowoda: I don't know what either of those are.[10:27:40] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[10:27:50] <palowoda> Damn I thought they had all the wpa issues done by 2008.11.[10:28:27] <palowoda> Can't say personally, I've been using Atheros cards.[10:28:36] <yousef> I'm kinda used to using wpa_supplicant, but I can't find a package for it in the package manager... is it even supported under opensolaris?[10:29:03] <trochej> yousef: For wifi use dladm[10:29:15] <trochej> For 802.1x with eth, I have no friggin' idea[10:29:19] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:29:27] <asyd> hmm[10:29:33] <palowoda> All the wireless drivers are in: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/[10:30:11] <trochej> palowoda: I'd be happy to know, how to use 802.1x auth with eth nic[10:30:21] <trochej> with wpa_supplicant it was easy[10:30:46] <asyd> I'm also interest :)[10:31:33] *** lblume has left #opensolaris[10:33:05] <trochej> Frag![10:33:09] <yousef> I'm installing dladm now..[10:33:15] <trochej> The wifi driver disconnected me tenth time today[10:33:20] <trochej> It sucks majorily[10:35:55] <klg234> trochej: i had faced the same issue[10:36:10] <klg234> but i was using the driver rum for my wireless nic[10:36:36] <klg234> it is working ok on osol0906[10:36:54] <klg234> i meant osol0906 preview[10:37:10] <palowoda> I'm listne to ELO "Strange Magic" now, it's got to be worth something.[10:37:11] <trochej> I'm at IPS 109[10:37:24] <palowoda> listing[10:37:28] *** kszwed has joined #opensolaris[10:37:35] *** hsp_away is now known as hsp[10:37:59] <palowoda> Really the intel wireless has this many problems?[10:38:22] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[10:38:30] *** klg234 has quit IRC[10:38:32] <tsoome> you sure its wifi catd issue?;)[10:38:36] <tsoome> card*[10:40:04] <yousef> hmmm... I'm trying `dladm connect-wifi -e MyNetwork -s wpa -k my_ascii_"preshared-key"`, but it complains: dladm: invalid key(s) 'my_ascii_"preshared-key"'... the only security options that the manpage mentions are wep and wpa...[10:40:07] <trochej> tsoome: I'd rather say wifi driver[10:40:23] <trochej> tsoome: Since the same card with the same wifis works just fine with Linuxes[10:40:30] <yousef> does dladm support wpa2?[10:40:31] <trochej> And I tested it on many locations[10:41:02] <trochej> intel 3945ABG, this is what dd util tells me[10:41:40] *** Garcon_ has joined #opensolaris[10:42:18] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[10:43:04] <trochej> wpi[10:43:06] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[10:43:33] <trochej> Okay, time for me[10:43:34] <trochej> [d][10:43:54] <asyd> pkill -HUP trochej[10:45:31] <palowoda> In the FAQ: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/Solaris-wireless-faq/#wpa5 what do they man about WPA2?[10:46:39] <Stric> run 'uname -a' if it says snv_XX where XX < 93, then you have too old stuff[10:46:53] <asyd> I hope the 802.1x layer available for wifi nic is also availabe for non wifi nic, too bad there is no link to a config sample[10:49:32] *** pgr has quit IRC[10:50:19] <palowoda> I knew I should start listening to ELO. I can be addicting.[10:50:47] <asyd> ELO?[10:51:02] <palowoda> Electric Light Orchastra. Old time stuff.[10:51:10] <asyd> ok[10:51:23] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[10:51:24] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[10:51:33] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[10:52:16] <yousef> hmmm... according to this, http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wireless_driver_compatible_list/, the wpi driver only supports wpa, not wpa2. :-([10:52:32] <yousef> I guess I'll stick with my trusty wired connection till wpa2 support is added :-)[10:52:34] <palowoda> There you go.[10:53:23] <palowoda> yousef: Your not afraid of anyone using remote-exploit tools are you?[10:53:38] <palowoda> They are bad guys huh?[10:54:50] <palowoda> For others that don't know what I'm talking about: http://www.remote-exploit.org/[10:56:01] *** c0t0d0s0 has joined #opensolaris[10:56:24] *** Zaba has joined #opensolaris[10:57:17] <palowoda> For those of you that haven't run Backtrack it can be an eye-opener.[10:57:29] <Zaba> hey guys, I've done a dumb thing, I forgot the root password I set on installation. Is it possible to mount things read-write from the livecd so I can set the password?[10:57:48] <asyd> yes[10:57:51] <palowoda> Sure[10:58:05] <Zaba> sounds good, then[10:58:19] <palowoda> Lot's of messages about how to import a rpool from a live cd.[10:58:54] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[10:58:55] <Zaba> I believe there's no way to do it without a livecd, right? Single-user mode can't be told not to ask for a password..[10:59:14] <palowoda> You don't have a live cd?[10:59:16] <Zaba> I do[10:59:21] <palowoda> And[10:59:30] <Zaba> well, perhaps there's another way.[10:59:42] <CosmicDJ> pfexec passwd root ;)[10:59:44] <oenone> physical access to a pc is like having root rights[11:01:09] <Zaba> well, those with physical access to my other boxes can indeed shut them down, like root, but on the other hand, can't unmount a filesystem[11:01:12] <samc> Zaba: SXCE or OpenSolaris?[11:01:20] <Zaba> samc, opensolaris[11:01:37] <c0t0d0s0> oenone: that´s the reason, why every CC evalation contains "just friendly people near the server"[11:02:22] <samc> Zaba: I'm not sure if it's something since 2008.11, but on my snv_109, if I choose the recovery mode option from the grub menu (which passes -s to the kernel for single user mode) I can log in as a non-root user and run pfexec sh to get a root shell[11:02:33] <samc> as long as the user has the root role, of course[11:02:45] <Zaba> root role.. Does the 2008.11 installer set that?[11:03:02] <Zaba> I think I read in release notes that it in deed did not.[11:03:16] <asyd> Pink Floyd - A saucerful of secrets! <3[11:03:25] <samc> It definitely sets the root role for the user it creates for you, but I'm just not sure if it'll let you use that user to log on in single user mode[11:03:28] <palowoda> Pink Floyd rules.[11:03:33] <Zaba> ack.[11:03:38] <c0t0d0s0> zaba: That´s not correct .... as long you haven´t encrypted your drives, an determined attacker can do almost everything when he has access to the console of the system. At the you end he can do the same as you would to get back root access ....[11:03:57] <Zaba> c0t0d0s0, console access is different[11:04:19] *** invasive has joined #opensolaris[11:04:26] *** Dar has quit IRC[11:04:40] <c0t0d0s0> with console access i mean: access to the physical system ....[11:04:52] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[11:05:42] <samc> Zaba: hang on, do you even need to boot single user mode at all? if the box is up, and you have the login with the root role, you may just be able to log in as that and run pfexec sh to get a root shell[11:06:37] <samc> Zaba: look in /etc/user_attr, see if there's a line starting with your username that looks like this:[11:06:40] <samc> sam::::profiles=Primary Administrator;roles=root[11:06:46] <samc> with the 'roles=root' bit[11:07:48] <samc> but yeah failing all of that, you'll be able to mount your pool from the livecd and just replace the hash in /etc/shadow[11:08:06] <Zaba> or crack it[11:08:19] <samc> well you could crack it, but replacing it will be a lot faster :)[11:08:23] <samc> assuming you've got a secure password[11:08:56] <Zaba> the most embarrassing thing is that I remember what I haven't set it to..[11:09:15] <samc> it's .. what .. ~150 days to crack a hashed 7-byte alphanumeric string on a single cpu?[11:09:48] <samc> to bruteforce it that is, not using rainbow tables or anything fancy[11:10:07] <Zaba> samc, I could compose a word list of those words I likely used.[11:10:12] <samc> 150 days worst case anyway[11:10:13] <samc> heh true[11:10:22] <Zaba> anyway logging in as normal user with -s gives me a root shell[11:10:24] <Zaba> nice![11:10:26] <samc> still, faster to just replace the hash :p[11:10:30] <samc> ahh awesome, nice one[11:11:20] <invasive> Hi All, see this website (http://blogs.sun.com/rv/entry/getting_opensolaris_into_an_usb), I am not able to run this (hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/caiman/distro_constructor) ??? what am i missing?[11:11:25] *** taltamir has quit IRC[11:11:46] <samc> invasive: what error do you get?[11:11:54] <palowoda> Zaba: You have to write a story about it.[11:12:47] <invasive> ---> bash: hg: command not found[11:13:04] <Zaba> palowoda, hm. That's a good idea.[11:13:09] <palowoda> /bin/hg[11:13:14] <Zaba> I wanted to write a story about my experiences with OSOL anyway[11:13:17] *** niq has quit IRC[11:13:24] <Zaba> I would include that indeed.[11:13:32] *** myrkraverk` has quit IRC[11:13:38] <palowoda> Zaba: You will be famous. :)[11:13:47] <samc> palowoda: install the package 'SUNWmercurial'[11:14:02] <oenone> is it possible to install SXCE on Raid-Z?[11:14:07] <palowoda> samc: Install F**** everything.[11:14:36] <samc> oenone: you can't boot from raid-z unfortunately[11:14:42] <oenone> :/[11:14:53] <samc> yeah, it's a shame[11:15:08] <palowoda> Why do people play games with disk space.[11:15:13] <oenone> could i work around that using a Boot-CD?[11:15:21] <samc> I thought about trying to set up a tiny mirror for /boot and any other vitals it might need and raid-z for the rest but I never got any further than just thinking about it[11:15:24] <samc> not even sure if it's possible[11:16:16] *** torben has joined #opensolaris[11:18:51] <samc> oenone: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsbootFAQ/#raidzinstall[11:18:53] <samc> "No, a ZFS root pool cannot currently be configured with RAID-Z."[11:18:58] <samc> not much more info than that unfortunately :)[11:19:24] <samc> but yeah I think it's mostly because the boot loader won't understand how to find the kernel and stuff on a raid-z filesystem[11:19:55] <samc> when grub boots from a mirrored disk it actually only looks at one half of the mirror - it doesn't know it's looking at a raid1 set, but it doesn't need to know because it isn't going to write to it[11:20:00] *** cypromis has quit IRC[11:20:24] <samc> I think linux has the same limitation in its software raid5 implementation[11:20:47] <oenone> maybe i'll just do the hardware raid5 and live with the write hole thing..[11:20:53] <samc> true hardware raid is different of course because the boot loader and OS don't need to know about the physical disk layout[11:22:06] <samc> all comes down to the workload I guess .. raid5 doesn't boast great speed but it's nice if you want to store a lot of data cheaply[11:22:29] <invasive> how to install the package 'SUNWmercurial' via Terminal? as using package manager seems a very slow process...[11:22:40] <palowoda> Hardware or software and money.[11:23:13] <samc> invasive: sxce or opensolaris?[11:23:26] <invasive> opensolaris[11:23:29] <samc> invasive: if it's opensolaris you should just be able to run 'pkg install SUNWmercurial' to pull it from the repository[11:23:45] <invasive> thanks samc[11:23:52] <samc> rather than using the gui package manager forward over the network (I assume that's what you're talking about)[11:24:02] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[11:24:34] <samc> right, I'm outta here - gotta get some sleep[11:24:35] <samc> seeyas later[11:26:02] <invasive> im running the package manager from a opensolaris in a VM[11:26:16] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[11:26:19] <invasive> :)[11:26:35] <palowoda> Shouldn't make a difference if your running it from a VM.[11:27:19] <invasive> how to do this? (distro_constructor/tools/usbgen [iso image] [usb image] `pwd` [tmpdir])[11:27:44] <invasive> i only got the osol image ...thats all[11:28:16] <palowoda> And that is related to running it with a VM?[11:28:29] <invasive> sorry[11:28:42] <invasive> that is inconnection with...[11:28:55] <palowoda> with... what?[11:29:10] *** jit has joined #opensolaris[11:29:22] <invasive> see this website (http://blogs.sun.com/rv/entry/getting_opensolaris_into_an_usb), how to do this (distro_constructor/tools/usbgen [iso image] [usb image] `pwd` [tmpdir])[11:30:01] <palowoda> Oh is this related to usb from a VM?[11:30:24] <invasive> i wanted to make a usb bootable opensolaris...[11:30:47] <invasive> I got a dell d620[11:30:48] <palowoda> Did you want to make a usb bootable from a VM of some type?[11:31:29] <invasive> I wanted the same osol no changes needed[11:31:46] <invasive> but a usb one...[11:32:13] <palowoda> Oh I thought you where using a VM with opensolaris.[11:33:09] <invasive> yes, I installed yesterday the opensolaris in a VM which I am using now... (running this in my XP tends to be slow)[11:33:10] <palowoda> The usb copy utils should work otherwise.[11:33:42] <palowoda> If you wipe out your XP and run it native does it work?[11:34:02] <palowoda> Not that I personally care about your XP. :))[11:34:42] <invasive> I do not intend to wipe out my HD data, thats why I would want to make a usb bootable opensolaris[11:35:15] <invasive> a usb bootable opensolaris w/c is persistent[11:35:36] <invasive> :)[11:35:55] <palowoda> I guess follow the instructions for creating the usb opensolaris sticks.[11:35:56] <oenone> usb bootable.. might be something i could consider..[11:36:35] <invasive> you got the instructions? may I have a copy?[11:37:09] <palowoda> I've seen the instructions on the genunix.org site. But I haven't seen instructions on how to do it with XP.[11:38:20] <palowoda> The only instructions I've seen is to use the opensolaris to create the usb stick to begin with. Others may chime in here.[11:38:35] <invasive> please check this site http://blogs.sun.com/rv/entry/getting_opensolaris_into_an_usb (I already run hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/caiman/distro_constructor after installing mercurial) but I do not know how to do this (distro_constructor/tools/usbgen [iso image] [usb image] `pwd` [tmpdir])[11:38:35] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris[11:39:09] <ofu_> why can zfs send -i not automatically detect the old version for replication?[11:39:42] <ofu_> shouldnt the source- and dest- side of the replication have timestamps?[11:39:50] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[11:40:42] <oenone> can you simply "install" to a usb device, like if it were a normal disk?[11:41:34] <palowoda> Some bios'es do not support usb install disks. Just depends on the bios support.[11:41:54] *** torben has quit IRC[11:41:56] <oenone> i mean, is it possible with the normal installer?[11:41:56] <invasive> mine can boot from usb[11:42:31] <palowoda> Hey all the more power to the bios boot usb support.[11:42:46] *** frankS2 has quit IRC[11:42:47] <invasive> oenone: I don't think so[11:43:15] *** frankS2 has joined #opensolaris[11:44:01] <oenone> no usb support from the install dvd?[11:44:35] <palowoda> Everyone wishes the their bios supported usb installs.[11:45:03] *** hsp has quit IRC[11:45:11] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[11:46:36] <invasive> oenone: my concern is really not touching my MBR, that is why I would wanted to make USB bootable opensolaris but doing this inside a VM or so...[11:47:07] *** jit has quit IRC[11:47:34] <invasive> and I very much like the Gnome environment for the 2008 osol[11:48:11] <palowoda> invasive: I'm sure if it doesn't work in the VM your going to report it as a bug to who delivers that brand of VM>[11:48:12] <oenone> my concern would be to get sxce installed on the usb stick, to make it independant of the smart array, which i could fully use for data storage[11:48:15] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[11:48:56] <invasive> oenone: could you repeat that again? please elaborate..[11:49:25] <invasive> im using SUN's VM[11:49:45] <trygvis> hm, where should I look to find info on how to set up a shared windows printer in sxce?[11:49:48] <palowoda> Could be a bug with SUN's VM.[11:49:55] <oenone> my server has a hp compaq smart array 5i, which is not supported out of the box. i need to install the hp driver and it seems that after the install completed, i can't boot it anyway[11:50:23] <oenone> a possible solution would be booting off a different drive, like a usb stick[11:50:48] <oenone> then install the cpqary3 driver and use all the disks as raid-z[11:51:22] *** c0t0d0s0_ has joined #opensolaris[11:51:23] *** c0t0d0s0 has quit IRC[11:51:47] *** c0t0d0s0_ has quit IRC[11:51:49] <palowoda> If HP does the cpqary3 driver for SXCE or Indiana no problems. Do they?[11:52:33] <palowoda> If not why doesn't HP supply the open drivers for that controller?[11:52:34] <oenone> i used the solaris 10 driver, and it seemed to work for the netinstall[11:52:53] <palowoda> But this is not a S10 IRC channel.[11:53:14] <oenone> well, i'm installing sxce[11:53:30] <palowoda> And HP supports the driver on sxce right?[11:54:25] <oenone> no[11:55:02] <oenone> they only provide a s10 driver[11:55:23] <palowoda> Hey a real eye opener huh.[11:56:12] <palowoda> Kind of like makes that PR announcement with Johnathonn and HP look like crap.[11:56:30] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[11:56:53] <oenone> which announcement?[11:57:16] <palowoda> Oh the one where HP and Sun got into bed and made love.[11:57:28] <oenone> i think i found it..[11:57:31] <palowoda> It doesn't matter.[11:58:09] <palowoda> We can play hide the peanut with words all day it's not helping your problem.[11:58:35] *** bizkut_ has joined #opensolaris[11:59:12] <palowoda> Maybe you should just move to S10.[11:59:51] <oenone> yeah..[12:00:12] <oenone> where do i send bug reports for the HCL?[12:00:15] <palowoda> I don't know, I'm not making the rules.[12:00:48] <palowoda> bugs.opensolaris.org is your only chance for the bug.[12:01:45] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[12:02:47] <palowoda> Seams more like a bug with HP if you ask me.[12:02:47] <seanmcg> oenone, bugs.opensolaris.org for SXCE ones.[12:03:24] <palowoda> Well yeah you need a support contract with Sun to log a bug against S10.[12:04:01] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[12:04:24] <invasive> how to install to my firefox a "flashplayer" for the youtube website[12:04:41] <invasive> for my opensolaris[12:05:02] <seanmcg> palowoda, true..[12:05:19] <seanmcg> invasive, so go to adobe and get the flash plugin..[12:05:37] <palowoda> just extract the flahsplay.so and put it in the /usr/local/firefox/plugin directory.[12:06:38] <invasive> cannot just install easily like in windows... I like to use the terminal installing flashplayer but i do not know how...[12:07:00] <CosmicDJ> invasive: there's a flashplugin IPS package[12:07:08] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[12:07:33] <palowoda> Nah around here we take lsd, shoot bears and log bugs on the opensolaris.org site all the time. It's just life.[12:07:39] *** bizkut has quit IRC[12:07:42] <invasive> CosmicDJ: how to get a copy?[12:07:53] <CosmicDJ> invasive: https://pkg.sun.com[12:08:04] <invasive> great![12:08:07] <invasive> thx[12:08:43] <palowoda> Heck get the newer flash 10 from adobe.[12:09:03] <palowoda> Or does pkg.sun.com have the newer version now?[12:09:35] <palowoda> It's just one .so file.[12:09:53] *** pjd has quit IRC[12:14:10] <palowoda> One of these days I'll understand the wisdom of getting flashplayer from pkg.sun.com but nvidia drivers come with Indiana.[12:15:13] <seanmcg> adobe != nvidia, different companies, different thinking ?[12:15:15] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[12:15:40] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris[12:17:51] <palowoda> Yeah but the whole redistribution of binaries in Indiana just kind of makes it confusing. Not saying Adobe, Nvidia or Sun has the redistribution right or wrong.[12:19:38] *** servo-- has joined #opensolaris[12:19:40] <invasive> ive checked. mine got not local dir ..... (/usr/local/firefox/plugin directory.)[12:19:40] <trichobezoar> i agree[12:20:25] <trichobezoar> indiana, a distribution of opensolaris, is now called opensolaris, a distribution of opensolaris[12:20:50] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[12:20:52] <gretel> hi all[12:24:53] *** m3t4l1 has joined #opensolaris[12:26:12] *** nichol has joined #opensolaris[12:28:43] <Zaba> hmm. I get a lot of errors related to inet-upgrade and ogl-select.[12:29:11] <Zaba> 'Killing contract XYZ' and 'failed due to signal KILL'.[12:29:57] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[12:30:22] <houst0n> One thing i've always wondered, why the hell do I need to upgrade 600+ pkgs to go between releases in -dev?[12:30:46] <houst0n> Is something broken or is this actually normal? seems bizarre[12:30:53] *** spiki has quit IRC[12:31:16] *** servo- has quit IRC[12:31:44] <trichobezoar> i dont know personally but any changed packages will be downloaded... and deps are probably recompiled so[12:32:18] <houst0n> Well, I get that bit.. but it looks like EVERYTHING[12:33:20] <houst0n> It's a pain in the ass, esp as pkg is so slow[12:33:41] <houst0n> And yes, I know the solution is not to use dev :P[12:34:33] * trichobezoar hands houst0n a &[12:35:44] <seanmcg> houst0n, its like SXCE, everything gets recompiled etc...[12:37:16] <houst0n> mmh[12:37:27] <houst0n> think I'll be changing to something else shortly[12:37:34] <houst0n> Any suggestions? What's belenix like these days?[12:37:49] <trichobezoar> netbsd?[12:38:01] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[12:38:06] <houst0n> Nah, I'm friends witha netbsd dev who would just loooove that far too much :P[12:38:14] <houst0n> + it's sucky as a desktop[12:38:38] <Zaba> there's netbsd-desktop or something horrid-sounding like that[12:38:51] <Zaba> aimed to address that matter[12:38:56] <trichobezoar> GNU/NetBSD[12:39:02] <houst0n> Hmm, I kinda like zfs and local solaris is kinda important to me for testing blastwave pkgs[12:39:08] <houst0n> So i'll pass on that one :P[12:39:14] <Zaba> trichobezoar, oh god[12:39:32] <invasive> how to enable wifi in opensolaris?[12:40:00] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:40:20] <houst0n> invasive: Ensure you have the correct drivers, enable physical:nwam and make sure nwam-manager (?) is running ?[12:40:31] <houst0n> or something manager, i forget the name[12:40:43] <houst0n> nwam-applet? somethign like that, it's in /usr/lib somewhere[12:40:50] <invasive> how to run this via Terminal?[12:40:59] * Zaba wonders whether trying opensolaris in qemu is a waste of time and he should just install it on some physical box..[12:41:13] <houst0n> Zaba: It works well under virtualbox[12:41:14] <seanmcg> Zaba, use virtualbox ?[12:41:18] <trichobezoar> kvm[12:41:30] <Zaba> trichobezoar, would make sense if I had those virtualisation extensions[12:41:31] <houst0n> Aha, well, it's *reported* to work under kvm[12:41:38] <Zaba> it does work in qemu[12:41:55] <Zaba> but it took me >400 minutes to install, and >20 minutes to boot in text mode so far[12:42:01] <houst0n> Arrggh[12:42:03] <trichobezoar> install kqemu[12:42:11] <Zaba> trichobezoar, I did[12:42:17] <trichobezoar> I'd love to say "ah those are normal times"[12:42:18] <Zaba> mostly just slows it down a bit[12:42:31] <trichobezoar> the first boot takes a while because of smf[12:42:35] <Zaba> yeah[12:42:45] <houst0n> You're more patient than I am, I have a habit of rm'ing shit that takes longer than X (where x is determined by caffiene, distractions etc)[12:42:54] <Zaba> hah, I'm very patient[12:43:14] <Zaba> hm.[12:43:16] <Zaba> oh.[12:43:29] <Zaba> next thing to try: pxe-boot opensolaris![12:43:37] <oenone> pxe-boot is easy[12:43:45] <Zaba> my laptop is not capable of CDs[12:43:56] <houst0n> I've never done it with opensolaris, netbooting solaris has been the preferred emthod of installing it since like... well a long time[12:44:05] <Zaba> at least I could see, perhaps it's faster than qemu[12:44:11] <houst0n> what spec is the laptop[12:44:13] <houst0n> ?[12:44:32] <Zaba> pIII 700MHz, 256MB ram[12:44:36] <houst0n> hahaha good luck[12:44:45] <oenone> 256?[12:44:47] <Zaba> yeah[12:44:57] <oenone> uh.. thought about a memory upgrade?[12:45:01] <Zaba> well look, I compiled netbsd kernels on it, so it must be fine, right[12:45:10] <houst0n> It'll never work with 256, 512 is too little really[12:45:14] <Zaba> oh[12:45:18] <houst0n> I'd never install it on anything wiht <2GB[12:45:19] <Zaba> why so hoggy?[12:45:21] <trichobezoar> opensolarus reqauires 512[12:45:24] <houst0n> zfs[12:45:26] <Zaba> oh[12:45:28] <Zaba> I see.[12:45:30] <trichobezoar> the install[12:45:39] <houst0n> Also the installer uses gnome (ugh)[12:45:41] <Zaba> well my workstation's got 768MB[12:45:48] <oenone> you can use the text installer[12:45:54] <Zaba> oenone, it exists?[12:45:54] <houst0n> You know you can buy 2GB of memory for like £18 now?[12:46:03] <Zaba> houst0n, the laptop will choke[12:46:05] <trichobezoar> opensolaris does not have a text installer last time i checked (2008.11)[12:46:08] <oenone> Zaba: at least SXCE gives you a choice[12:46:19] <Zaba> oenone, well, opensolaris doesn't seem to[12:46:30] <houst0n> Hey oenone =)[12:46:40] <Zaba> anyway I doubt I can just stuff the laptop with 2GB of ram and have it working after that[12:46:45] <Zaba> it's too old[12:47:01] <oenone> hey houst0n[12:47:02] <houst0n> I wouldn't put solaris on that[12:47:10] <Zaba> well.. and my workstation.. used to have 1GB of ram[12:47:11] <houst0n> Go with debian or something, it'll be faster[12:47:13] <Zaba> now it has 768MB[12:47:19] <Zaba> houst0n, it currently has netbsd on it[12:47:20] <houst0n> Or get a new workstation[12:47:25] <Zaba> the lappy[12:47:28] <Zaba> I don't use it[12:47:31] <Zaba> the battery's dead[12:47:45] <houst0n> I had one of those, named it "craptop"[12:47:51] <Zaba> my workstation needs an upgrade, and a CPU with virtualisation extensions (those became damn common now, heh)[12:47:53] <houst0n> Or stinkpad in a previous life[12:48:08] <houst0n> Yeah VT extensions are a requirement[12:48:09] <trichobezoar> i've run solaris on a dell 2450... 2x733 w/ 1gb ram[12:48:16] *** invasive has quit IRC[12:48:23] <Zaba> this one's dell, latitude l400, and ain't that bad, really, if it had a new battery and at least twice more ram[12:48:32] <houst0n> Hell, you can get it RUNNING on pretty much anything (provided you don't use opensolaris and go with ufs)[12:48:37] <houst0n> But it's not fun[12:48:41] <Zaba> true[12:48:45] <Zaba> I've got a freebsd box that uses ufs[12:48:46] <trichobezoar> houst0n: have you benchmarked this?[12:48:47] <Zaba> not fun![12:48:55] <trichobezoar> that using zfs makes it impossible?[12:49:08] <houst0n> trichobezoar: ?[12:49:23] <Zaba> I mean, it works and that's very good, but.. fun ain't that.[12:49:23] <houst0n> My workstation struggles sometimes with 2GB[12:49:36] <trichobezoar> thats because solaris sucks, its not zfs's fault[12:49:41] <Zaba> my workstation here.. is linux, all partitions are ext3. I ain't into fun, it seems.[12:49:41] <houst0n> SXCE with ufs works no probs[12:49:43] <houst0n> hahah[12:49:43] <trichobezoar> i had similar troubles with my ufs solaris desktop[12:50:13] <Zaba> I think the installer should give one choice not to install gnome[12:50:19] <trichobezoar> you can limit the arc size if it's that much of a pain[12:50:24] <Zaba> unless, of course, it does, and I just didn't notice[12:50:30] <houst0n> It needs a bit of work still, sometimes I notice the whole fucking thing just stops responding.. cpu useage is very low but fsstat zfs goes apeshit[12:50:45] <houst0n> Dunno if it's freeing cached stuff or what the hell...[12:51:05] <houst0n> Zaba: Welcome to Lin^H^H^HOpensolaris[12:51:10] <Zaba> so basically, zfs is cool but current implementation tends to suffer from performance issues that are hard to reproduce?[12:51:34] <trichobezoar> zfs sometimes needs to be toned with some tuning[12:51:35] <houst0n> Zaba: Performance is good generally, our servers @ work with it are all fine[12:51:39] <Zaba> hm[12:51:42] <houst0n> Just seems to be me desktop[12:51:44] * houst0n shrugs[12:51:58] <Zaba> well my freebsd homeserver could use some zfs fanciness if I wasn't all that into slacking.[12:52:11] <houst0n> And my sol 10 dev boxes aren't affected by this either so dunno, could be a hw/driver issue at my end[12:52:21] <Zaba> who knows.[12:52:52] <Zaba> but well, so running opensolaris with <512MB ram is insane, with 512MB it'll work, and with more it will work better?[12:52:52] <houst0n> My dev machines are much more meaty though, running ona xen box with quad, quad core xeons @ 2.5 and like 36GB of memory[12:52:57] <trichobezoar> I remember using ufs and sxce for a desktop and copying a file. Wow. Go take a coffee break. You'll swap for ages[12:53:15] <houst0n> trichobezoar: I would expect that from zfs, not ufs heh[12:53:22] <trichobezoar> Didnt help much with forcedirectio[12:53:30] <Zaba> trichobezoar, I don't remember such problems[12:53:45] <houst0n> We use zfs pretty much everywhere[12:53:51] <houst0n> zfs on the new kit we put in[12:53:54] <houst0n> err, ufs everywher I mean[12:54:00] <Zaba> oh, speaking of which, my freebsd server is a Core Duo and the probablity of it having virtualisation stuff is 3 against 4[12:54:00] <houst0n> Never seen any probs like I've had with zfs[12:54:20] <houst0n> Zaba: I think it's the core 2 duo's that have it, not sure about the older core duos[12:54:31] <Zaba> houst0n, most core duos wikipedia knows have it[12:54:39] <Zaba> it doesn't make the cpu not crap though[12:54:39] <houst0n> Hm, cool[12:54:41] <houst0n> 32bit though peh[12:54:42] *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz[12:55:10] <Zaba> it's sufficient for serving a site or two and receiving some mail, though[12:55:16] <Zaba> but virtualisation? come on[12:55:19] <trichobezoar> so's a 386[12:55:32] <Zaba> heh[12:55:33] <Zaba> well yeah[12:56:19] <trichobezoar> some strange hate for c2d you have[12:56:34] <Zaba> um? I was talking about core duo without the 2.[12:56:34] <houst0n> Hmm, I seem to be working more and more with Virtual kit[12:56:37] <houst0n> It's the way forward[12:56:42] <trichobezoar> i see[12:56:53] <Zaba> I virtualise on my athlon64 +3000 workstation[12:56:58] <Zaba> it's got no such extensions or anything[12:57:03] <houst0n> All Xeons here[12:57:11] <houst0n> We're talking enterprise though[12:57:16] <Zaba> and getting exactly same processor but with the extensions would also require me to get a new mobo[12:57:19] <Zaba> that just sucks[12:58:39] <houst0n> Heh, we got a new esx box put in last week, 10x X8450's[12:58:52] <houst0n> (all quad proc)[12:58:57] <Zaba> nice[12:59:03] <houst0n> Lubberly, it's really pretty fast[12:59:10] <houst0n> HA etc running on it[12:59:25] <houst0n> I prefer XenServer though[12:59:32] <houst0n> + it's now free[13:00:33] <oenone> Xen with Solaris as dom0?[13:00:53] <houst0n> Mostly windows guests[13:01:08] <houst0n> A few solaris hosts in there also, we're using these ones for VDI[13:01:22] <houst0n> So there's lots of XP guests[13:01:40] <Zaba> hm[13:01:57] *** yarihm has quit IRC[13:02:36] <houst0n> I have some solaris guests, I can't migrate em when they're running etc though as citrix don't provide solaris guest add-ins[13:02:39] <houst0n> as far as I can tell[13:02:51] <houst0n> Xp ones I can move between servers while they're running :o[13:06:11] <houst0n> Oh, and XS linux dom0[13:06:15] <houst0n> Linux MISSBHAXEN01 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5.xs5.0.0.394.644xen #1 SMP Thu Aug 28 17:46:02 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux[13:07:11] *** friartuck has joined #opensolaris[13:20:25] <Zaba> hm[13:20:32] <Zaba> how long can graphical boot take in qemu?[13:21:23] <oenone> 10 hours[13:21:26] <trochej> Long[13:21:52] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[13:22:35] <Zaba> oenone, really?[13:22:37] <Zaba> hm[13:22:42] <Zaba> I might not have 10 hours[13:22:50] <Zaba> and livecd took less to boot ;p[13:22:55] <oenone> depends heavily on your hardware[13:23:30] <Zaba> well, can I expect it to take longer than booting livecd?[13:24:11] *** gaveen has quit IRC[13:24:51] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[13:24:52] *** scriptdevil has joined #opensolaris[13:25:29] <scriptdevil> Is the 2009.06 cd usable? I mean.. is it atleast beta quality?[13:26:41] <tomww> should run very well because almost all bits are already running as SXCE ...[13:27:04] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[13:27:11] <tomww> current issues are X keyboards layout if you need other then US-layout[13:27:20] <tomww> but workarounds exist[13:27:33] *** BlueAidan_work has quit IRC[13:27:42] <scriptdevil> tomww: I use a US layout. And does it run on a G33 series motherboard with IDE hard disks?[13:28:14] <tomww> what chipset on the G33*[13:28:39] <tomww> you should have lot of memory if you plan to use X and zfs ...[13:29:18] <scriptdevil> http://www.intel.com/Products/Desktop/Motherboards/DG33FB/DG33FB-overview.htm (I have 5 GB of memory)[13:31:14] *** scriptdevil has quit IRC[13:32:20] *** scriptde1il has joined #opensolaris[13:32:21] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[13:32:35] <scriptde1il> Sorry tomww I had a network problem all of a sudden.[13:32:42] <scriptde1il> Did you say something?[13:32:46] *** scriptde1il is now known as ScriptDevil[13:34:57] <ScriptDevil> hmm.. Ok then... I found that it is reported to work on the HCL.. So... Thanks anyway[13:34:59] *** ScriptDevil has quit IRC[13:35:27] <Zaba> eh.[13:35:38] *** chrisrr has joined #opensolaris[13:35:48] <Zaba> now qemu is not even using cpu that much.. and the loader's still scrolling its bar[13:37:07] *** e1kg1 has joined #OpenSolaris[13:38:14] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[13:38:56] <qiyong> how do i analysis vmcore?[13:40:03] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[13:40:14] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris[13:41:12] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[13:41:30] *** BlueAidan_work has joined #opensolaris[13:43:52] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[13:44:26] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[13:46:28] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[13:50:33] <phips> qiyong: mdb[13:51:06] <qiyong> phips: what's the syntax, i just want to see the panic stack[13:51:16] <qiyong> phips: it was a NULL pointer[13:52:47] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[13:55:25] *** yarihm has quit IRC[13:55:42] *** _ej_ has quit IRC[13:58:49] <phips> google qiyong ;)[13:58:57] <phips> or man[13:59:14] <phips> I'm afraid I can't remember off the top of my head (although once you've opened the dump, try $C)[14:01:54] *** Teltariat has quit IRC[14:02:49] <qiyong> phips: *panic_thread::findstack[14:02:58] <qiyong> phips: what $C means?[14:06:23] <tfb> Does ACT exist for OS? If it does, then it is your friend for finding panic strings etc[14:08:01] <seanmcg> qiyong, try the ::status cmd too[14:08:59] <qiyong> rp=... what's rp? seanmcg[14:09:35] *** pablomh has quit IRC[14:10:34] <seanmcg> qiyong, paste your error somewhere.[14:11:48] <qiyong> seanmcg: see my /msg[14:12:11] *** ykclqg has joined #opensolaris[14:12:22] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[14:12:48] <seanmcg> qiyong, I mean on a pastebin site somewhere, or the clipboard as in this channel's topic[14:13:04] <seanmcg> paste the paic, the stack etc[14:15:54] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris[14:16:18] <qiyong> how can list the asm code in mdb?[14:16:30] <qiyong> from a specific addr[14:17:58] <seanmcg> qiyong, btw, the 'rp=' bit is the register pointer, where the registers are.[14:18:41] <seanmcg> mdb has ::help and ::dcmds to show all the mdb commands, to show the asm code you'd find the ::dis command[14:19:06] *** itcam has joined #opensolaris[14:19:12] *** gretel has quit IRC[14:21:49] *** dyctlb has joined #opensolaris[14:22:50] *** asyd has quit IRC[14:23:01] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris[14:23:47] *** ykclqg has quit IRC[14:26:39] *** nichol has quit IRC[14:28:06] *** m3t4l1 has left #opensolaris[14:29:58] *** prdelka has quit IRC[14:30:10] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[14:30:31] *** asyd has quit IRC[14:30:40] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris[14:31:03] *** pablomh has quit IRC[14:31:23] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[14:33:15] <digifor> I have to boot opensolaris with "-B disable-ehci=true" after I boot when I put USB in the system locks up.[14:33:24] <digifor> Is there a workaround for this?[14:37:15] *** axisys has quit IRC[14:37:41] <sensei> I have that issue too[14:38:23] <digifor> sensei, the usb freeze issue?[14:38:24] <sensei> And it unlocks whenever I pull the USB disk[14:38:33] <sensei> Yeah[14:39:22] <digifor> I need to put the -B disable-ehci=true for the laptop to boot. I think it does not like the touchpad.[14:40:33] *** cypromis__ has joined #opensolaris[14:41:15] <digifor> Is there a way to "reverse" the *ehci=true to *ehci=false?[14:43:46] <tomww> you might try letting out the -B boot commandline and do a touch /reconfigure, then reboot. modules disable by -B should be retried with the next reconfigure boot (in case the module is not represented by a line in path_to_inst before and not on some other way autloaded)[14:43:46] *** mikefut has quit IRC[14:44:08] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[14:46:32] <digifor> thanks tomww[14:46:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o asyd[14:47:20] *** tsoome has quit IRC[14:48:48] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC[14:48:57] <digifor> My Acer laptop really doesn't like OpenSolaris...but it doesn't have to like it. It just has to do it.[14:49:11] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[14:50:00] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[14:50:13] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[14:50:14] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[14:50:52] *** wdp has quit IRC[14:51:21] <digifor> krtld: Unused kernel arguments: 'disable-ehci=true'[14:51:35] <digifor> I seem to be back on the everblinking cursor again.[14:54:00] <tomww> I just upgraded from snv107 to snv110 and got some loading problems too, it loaded nge0 but then nothing more.[14:54:46] <tomww> booted into xen with Solaris as dom0 worked without any problems. If I find time I'll check what driver was hanging.[14:54:48] *** bizkut_ has left #opensolaris[14:55:01] <digifor> I put the -B in and I can boot again.[14:55:06] <seanmcg> tomww, snv_110 is out ?[14:56:41] <flyingparchment> digifor: are you trying to make -B permanent? try 'exclude: ehci' in /etc/system[14:57:11] *** segy has quit IRC[14:57:41] *** segy has joined #opensolaris[14:57:47] <trichobezoar> How come I can see sun-mysql50/data when doing svcprop sun-mysql50, but when i do svccfg select sun-mysql50 listprop *data* shothing shows up...[14:58:05] <flyingparchment> trichobezoar: try looking at the :default instance[14:58:10] <digifor> flyingparchment, yes sort of. But will usb work after booting?[14:58:19] <flyingparchment> digifor: only USB1 (ohci/uhci)[14:58:24] <flyingparchment> ehci is the USB2 controller[14:58:48] *** krisis has left #opensolaris[14:59:06] *** e1kg1 has quit IRC[14:59:40] <trichobezoar> flyingparchment: ah its not really obvious you can do that with select[15:00:10] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[15:00:10] <digifor> flying I need it disabled to boot or osol just hangs with a blinking cursor. Because of my touchpad I think.[15:00:11] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[15:00:24] <trichobezoar> actually it is[15:00:26] <trichobezoar> thanks flyingparchment[15:00:36] <digifor> But I need usb to copy network drivers etc.[15:00:56] <flyingparchment> pff, what happened to kermit and a serial line[15:01:24] *** stewart has quit IRC[15:01:52] <trichobezoar> now the output of 'list' after typing select sun-mysql50 makes perfect sense[15:02:25] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[15:02:50] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[15:03:57] *** cypromis__ has quit IRC[15:04:33] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris[15:05:17] *** pgr has quit IRC[15:05:49] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[15:06:42] *** kszwed has quit IRC[15:08:13] <digifor> Should "/etc/system" have a : after like this "exclude ehci:" ??[15:08:34] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[15:09:46] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[15:11:11] <flyingparchment> no, like i said: "exclude: ehci"[15:12:55] <digifor> so you did...Thanks for correcting me.[15:17:54] *** lesterc has quit IRC[15:18:23] <digifor> So is there no way for me to get the USB memory sticks working after booting?[15:20:11] <digifor> I am looking at this http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/usb/USB-Faq.html No 9[15:20:58] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[15:24:04] <CosmicDJ> you disabled ehci and now you're looking for a way to get access to your usb stick?![15:25:00] <flyingparchment> plug it into a USB1 slot[15:26:05] <digifor> Just checking the Device Driver utility. Intel Corporation 82801l (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 and # 2 (ehci Driver Misconfigured)[15:26:26] <digifor> CosmicDJ, OSOL won't boot unless I disable it.[15:27:59] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[15:31:01] *** itcam has quit IRC[15:37:37] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[15:38:19] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[15:38:42] *** stewart has quit IRC[15:39:12] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[15:40:31] *** qiyong has quit IRC[15:40:57] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[15:41:14] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[15:41:17] *** markee has joined #opensolaris[15:41:52] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[15:44:53] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[15:44:59] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:48:00] <axisys> how do I see the grub menu from net mgmt port on x4150?[15:48:19] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[15:50:50] *** jmatrix has quit IRC[15:51:13] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[15:52:01] <seanmcg> enable the console redirection in the bios.[15:52:04] *** tfb has quit IRC[15:52:13] <digifor> Is there a way my laptop can boot and I can have working USB ehci?[15:52:26] <seanmcg> axisys, and have eeprom console=ttya[15:53:08] <axisys> seanmcg: i can see the bios from net mgmt port .. so console redirection is already there[15:54:12] *** jmatrix has joined #opensolaris[15:54:27] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[15:55:22] *** twisti has quit IRC[15:56:15] <seanmcg> axisys, check to be sure, its 'after' the bios you want which is the 'real' redirection .[15:57:46] *** yarihm has quit IRC[15:57:57] <axisys> console=ttya works for the OS.. i can see it now.. but only thing left is to see the grub menu..[15:58:07] <axisys> let me check the bios and verify[15:58:29] *** bourgois has joined #opensolaris[16:00:20] <axisys> seanmcg: ok here is what I see in bios[16:01:03] <axisys> seanmcg: external serial port is SP , external serial port config is COM1, Remote Access enabled[16:01:21] <axisys> seanmcg: don't see anything for redirection exactly[16:02:24] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[16:05:03] *** noyb_ has joined #opensolaris[16:06:57] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[16:07:59] <digifor> ttfn[16:08:04] *** digifor has quit IRC[16:09:22] <axisys> seanmcg: i had to comment the splashimage to see the grub menu .. thanks[16:09:43] <axisys> seanmcg: it was a suggestion from mator in #solaris chnl[16:12:01] *** doug_outout is now known as doug_out[16:13:14] *** joanie1 has joined #opensolaris[16:17:41] <bourgois> No one is responding in #solaris. Perhaps someone here could help me. Need to patch a solaris 9 server. When downloading the recommended patch cluster I get an error message: Solaris Service Plan Required.[16:17:51] <bourgois> Are patch clusters no longer free?[16:18:55] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[16:20:04] <trichobezoar> It's a nice way of saying "If you still want to run this crap, you need to pay us"[16:20:32] <trichobezoar> Actually that's what it's saying. What it's nicely saying is "Upgrade"[16:20:43] *** ken1 is now known as ken-work1[16:22:08] *** joanie has quit IRC[16:22:52] <bourgois> Hmm...same error message for Sol10. Is the only option Opensolaris?[16:23:13] <trichobezoar> Wow. Interesting.[16:24:06] <asyd> bourgois: can't remember exactly, but sun changed its politic about patch few weeks ago. So yes, you may require a service plan to dowload a patch cluster[16:25:34] <kvanals> As far as I can recall, patch clusters have required a service contract for some time now.[16:27:40] <trichobezoar> How borish[16:28:19] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris[16:30:15] <CosmicDJ> you need a service plan for ages now to d/l a patch cluster[16:30:29] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[16:30:35] <Stric> bourgois: You can download some (security) patches without one.. I recommend pca (http://www.par.univie.ac.at/solaris/pca/)[16:30:37] <flyingparchment> bourgois: you can use pca to download the free patches individually[16:30:55] <flyingparchment> asyd: patches haven't been free for a lot longer than few weeks[16:31:10] <Stric> You need to create a sunsolve account anyhow, but a free one[16:31:12] <flyingparchment> used to be the OS cost $ and patches were free, now the OS is free and patches are $[16:31:19] <asyd> flyingparchment: even cluster patch?[16:31:26] <Stric> yes[16:31:27] <flyingparchment> asyd: yes. a year or two at least[16:31:27] * bubbva is back (gone 09:17:32)[16:31:37] <asyd> well, two months is still few weeks for me :)[16:31:37] <Stric> I'd say a year or so too[16:31:40] <flyingparchment> at least the recommended cluster - recommended patches aren't free[16:31:40] <asyd> a year ?! no[16:31:56] <flyingparchment> (unless they're also security patches)[16:32:13] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[16:32:21] <CosmicDJ> asyd: yes[16:32:33] *** ken-work has quit IRC[16:33:08] <flyingparchment> asyd: for the first few months after S10, all patches were free - maybe that's what you're thinking of?[16:33:12] <flyingparchment> but that was a *long* time ago[16:33:28] <asyd> no, I talk about *cluster patch* not patch[16:33:46] <asyd> +single[16:33:53] <flyingparchment> yes, i know[16:34:01] <asyd> cluster patchs was free one year ago, but I know sun change its politic[16:34:05] <flyingparchment> no[16:34:13] <flyingparchment> i tried to download one without a contract longer ago than a year and couldn't[16:34:46] <asyd> ah[16:35:11] <CosmicDJ> same here, I switched to http://mirror.cogentco.com/pub/misc/ ; but well, it's sort of... illegal that's why I stopped using them :([16:35:51] <CosmicDJ> also, pca does a fine job[16:35:58] <asyd> pca rulez, indeed[16:37:00] <flyingparchment> we have a contract now, so it doesn't bother me ;)[16:37:14] <asyd> same for me :)[16:37:32] *** joanie1 has quit IRC[16:37:32] <CosmicDJ> so when anybody here needs a patch cluster, we'll direct them to you :p[16:37:34] <Stric> 10_Recommended.zip was contract only in july 2006 (irc log)[16:37:45] <Stric> So it's a bit more than a few weeks :)[16:38:38] <CosmicDJ> who patches anyway? it's bad for your uptime ;)[16:40:26] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[16:41:04] <asyd> Stric: :)[16:41:10] <asyd> my bad[16:41:43] <asyd> ahm hmm, I think the change was about security patches which are not more free, or sth like that[16:41:53] <flyingparchment> asyd: are you thinking of Solaris 8 patches?[16:42:08] <flyingparchment> asyd: solaris 8 just entered vintage support, so no patches (either security or driver) are free without a contract. S9/S10 are unaffected[16:42:10] <asyd> let me search for links[16:43:01] *** Traveler8 has quit IRC[16:43:26] <DukeNuke2> you can also try PCA... it's free software[16:43:38] <flyingparchment> DukeNuke2: pca can't download contract-only patches without a contract[16:43:46] <DukeNuke2> right[16:46:07] *** GNUWorld has quit IRC[16:46:18] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[16:46:27] *** Randello has quit IRC[16:46:43] *** Randello has joined #opensolaris[16:52:19] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[16:53:16] <codestr0m> did internal sun onnv-gate equivalent ever get pushed public? I mean what's the difference between their internal gate and onnv-gate?[16:53:17] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[16:53:20] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[16:53:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[16:54:58] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[16:55:11] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[16:55:25] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[16:56:17] <bubbva> codestr0m: can you explain?[16:56:52] <bubbva> the true gate still lives inside (which I think is what you're asking), but all of the code in there (that is not in usr/closed) is visible outside.[16:56:55] <bubbva> you just can't push to it.[16:57:05] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[16:57:25] <trochej> Just[16:57:31] <trochej> :)[16:57:40] <trochej> Coffeee?[16:57:44] *** capaz has left #opensolaris[16:57:48] <codestr0m> trochej: don't tempt me[16:57:58] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[16:58:06] <codestr0m> bubbva: thanks.. I think that answers me[16:58:54] *** carl- has quit IRC[16:58:58] <axisys> on my os 2009.06 desktop when I try to run VirtualBox I get Xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server[16:58:58] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[16:59:16] <axisys> i am on my desktop gnome session.. not ssh[16:59:23] <asyd> echo $DISPLAy ?[16:59:25] <asyd> echo $DISPLAY even[16:59:38] <axisys> :0.0[17:00:59] <axisys> i sudo bash and then run VirtualBox[17:01:05] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:01:10] <DukeNuke2> run it as your user[17:01:19] <DukeNuke2> without sudo[17:03:12] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[17:03:14] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[17:03:28] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[17:08:23] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[17:08:36] <axisys> anyone remember what is the default login to Amber analytics VM ?[17:08:55] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[17:09:51] *** alfism has quit IRC[17:10:01] *** ken-work1 has quit IRC[17:10:34] *** bourgois has quit IRC[17:10:36] <axisys> nm[17:10:46] <DukeNuke2> there wasn't one... the root password was asked during setup process[17:15:01] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC[17:15:20] <axisys> DukeNuke2: :-) .. i forgot that i assigned one during that time.. *sigh*[17:17:35] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[17:17:58] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:17:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[17:18:55] *** proberts has quit IRC[17:20:58] *** jteo has quit IRC[17:22:06] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[17:29:24] *** gnb_ has joined #opensolaris[17:31:26] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[17:37:46] *** B|nTaRa has quit IRC[17:38:09] <axisys> how do I assign an IP for a guest OS on a non dhcp network? i am using host interface ..[17:38:09] *** B|nTaRa has joined #opensolaris[17:38:12] <axisys> erstazi: that is how I am doing it.. but it fails for amber analytic to work[17:38:31] <axisys> oops! second line was to #vbox chnl[17:38:52] <axisys> i was doing it bu login to gues os .. but amber analytics dont like it[17:39:08] <axisys> i was doing it by login to guest os .. but amber analytics dont like it[17:40:45] *** bgupta has quit IRC[17:41:07] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[17:44:21] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[17:52:02] *** jacobs has quit IRC[17:53:44] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[17:53:53] *** dduvall has quit IRC[17:53:53] *** asarch has quit IRC[17:55:23] *** samuelig has joined #opensolaris[17:56:11] *** gnut has quit IRC[17:58:39] <CIA-40> gww <gww at eng dot sun.com>: 6812488 account lockout needs to perform additional checks[17:58:40] <CIA-40> Girish Moodalbail <Girish.Moodalbail at Sun dot COM>: 6808409 failing to mac_promisc_remove() could cause system panic[17:58:45] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[17:58:49] *** Gekz has quit IRC[17:59:06] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[18:00:59] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris[18:01:46] *** bbarker is now known as bbarker|afk[18:01:49] *** javatexan has quit IRC[18:02:47] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[18:02:53] *** asarch has quit IRC[18:06:50] *** rastal has quit IRC[18:08:29] <trichobezoar> This doesnt make sense... I have an UNAVAIL zfs pool (because it was a usb device that moved from one device name to another) and I cannot attach or online the proper device (because it says the pool is unavailable)[18:09:10] <tsoome> ou need to export it before removing devide...[18:09:12] <trichobezoar> Heh. I exported and imported it[18:09:14] <tsoome> device*[18:09:15] <trichobezoar> and it worked[18:09:20] <trichobezoar> thanks tsoome[18:10:11] <tsoome> zfs relies heavily on caching and memory, its not disk only filesystem you can detach any time you like[18:14:52] *** gerard131 has joined #opensolaris[18:15:18] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[18:15:37] *** bs66_ has joined #opensolaris[18:17:13] <bs66_> is there any gui/web manager for zfs for opensolaris 0811?[18:18:51] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[18:19:15] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[18:19:29] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:20:31] *** nitrile has quit IRC[18:23:07] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[18:23:55] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[18:25:40] <trochej> bs66_: Why would you need one?[18:27:37] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[18:27:38] <tsoome> there used to be webconsole app for it in solaris[18:29:10] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[18:30:35] *** rv- has quit IRC[18:30:48] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[18:32:17] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[18:32:30] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris[18:32:45] *** jhfisc has joined #opensolaris[18:32:51] *** jhfisc has left #opensolaris[18:35:51] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[18:36:22] *** pjd has joined #opensolaris[18:43:22] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[18:43:44] *** bubbva has quit IRC[18:44:34] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[18:45:43] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[18:46:38] *** Dar has quit IRC[18:47:26] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[18:48:27] *** coldsun has joined #opensolaris[18:48:35] *** jacobs has joined #opensolaris[18:49:03] <coldsun> Hi, everybody. How can get I get root permissions booting from LIVE CD[18:49:29] <CosmicDJ> pfexec[18:50:12] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[18:50:13] <coldsun> CosmicDJ: is it to me?[18:50:18] <CosmicDJ> coldsun: yep[18:51:02] <coldsun> CosmicDJ: just run "pfexec" without parameters?[18:51:28] *** ken1 is now known as ken-1[18:51:33] <trichobezoar> pfexec su -[18:51:47] <CosmicDJ> or pfexec command you'd like to run as root[18:52:05] *** geh_meh_geh has joined #opensolaris[18:52:08] <coldsun> CosmicDJ: but I don't know root password[18:52:29] <coldsun> trichobezoar: but I don't know root password[18:52:31] <jbk> pfexec /bin/ksh or such[18:52:42] <fkr_> pfexec sudo su -[18:52:43] <fkr_> :)[18:52:44] *** fkr_ is now known as fkr[18:52:51] <Stric> coldsun: try following the advice instead[18:53:02] *** gerard131 has quit IRC[18:53:27] <seanmcg> root's passwd on the LiveCD is opensolaris, but thats still rather useless since one can't login as root - root is a 'role' not a 'user'[18:53:48] <seanmcg> so like the guys said, use pfexe[18:54:14] <coldsun> Thank u[18:54:35] <coldsun> pfexec doesn't ask root password?[18:55:19] <Zaba> try it and see :>[18:55:21] <seanmcg> nope, since the user you're logged in as (jack) has root privs. See /etc/user_attr[18:55:45] <trichobezoar> Take a chance, it's a livecd[18:55:47] <seanmcg> coldsun, this is all RBAC (Role Based Access Control)[18:56:30] *** airjump has joined #opensolaris[18:57:24] <coldsun> thank u everybody[18:57:55] <coldsun> seanmcg: thank u. Your advises helps me everywhen )[18:59:40] <seanmcg> well the others already got to tell you of pfexe..[19:03:08] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[19:06:23] *** jacobs has quit IRC[19:07:06] *** coldsun has left #opensolaris[19:08:52] *** pkoc has joined #opensolaris[19:12:27] <lisppaste3> ms.bill.ceo pasted "Windows Fun Code" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/77120[19:12:59] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:14:12] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[19:15:02] <tsoome> old joke really:P[19:16:19] *** mikefut has quit IRC[19:17:29] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[19:19:25] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[19:21:20] <wbkang> Could I get any pointers on how to file a bug report for http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=97130 ?[19:21:26] *** e-jat has quit IRC[19:23:32] <seanmcg> wbkang, log one at defect.opensolaris.org[19:23:40] <wbkang> Thanks[19:27:26] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[19:28:32] <holcomb> the product registry is useless[19:31:26] <oenone> hm.. i try to install Solaris 10 10/08 on my HP DL380 G3 Server.. i booted the install CD with disabled ACPI (like HP suggests), but now i get infinitely repeated "NOTICE: lp0: too many interrupt requests" messages[19:31:35] *** dyctlb has quit IRC[19:32:31] <oenone> what could be the issue?[19:32:37] <oenone> oh damn[19:32:39] <oenone> sorry, wrong channel[19:37:19] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris[19:37:46] *** axisys has quit IRC[19:38:06] <CosmicDJ> rogue printer ;)[19:40:58] *** wbkang has quit IRC[19:41:10] *** pkoc has quit IRC[19:41:25] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[19:41:38] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[19:43:40] *** Wil1 has quit IRC[19:43:42] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[19:45:57] *** skullone has quit IRC[19:50:25] *** cwebber has quit IRC[19:58:41] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[19:58:42] <CIA-40> Venugopal Iyer <Venu.Iyer at Sun dot COM>: 6791062 System panic in ip_tcp_input when a rule is added to ipfilter[19:59:29] <trichobezoar> That's not good.[20:00:03] *** noyb_ has quit IRC[20:00:13] *** jurikm has joined #opensolaris[20:01:30] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[20:03:03] *** ggeecko has quit IRC[20:03:04] *** ken-1 has quit IRC[20:04:05] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:04:44] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[20:05:29] *** koan has quit IRC[20:05:33] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[20:07:10] *** saohh has quit IRC[20:09:00] *** tld has quit IRC[20:09:05] *** klg1 has joined #opensolaris[20:10:42] *** tld has joined #OpenSolaris[20:10:48] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[20:11:50] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[20:13:02] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[20:17:01] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[20:21:55] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[20:22:47] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris[20:23:14] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[20:25:21] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[20:26:30] *** bbartek has joined #opensolaris[20:27:17] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris[20:29:12] *** jfisc has quit IRC[20:29:38] *** tamr has quit IRC[20:29:50] *** desai has joined #opensolaris[20:32:28] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[20:32:44] *** Younger has joined #opensolaris[20:32:55] <klg1> hi! how do i install mplayer or vlc on opensolaris[20:33:26] <wbkang> oh[20:33:29] <klg1> i knew of lifewithsolaris repo, but it's down b'cas of licensing issues[20:33:30] <wbkang> wait a sec[20:33:39] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[20:34:11] *** BlueZeniX_ has joined #opensolaris[20:34:14] <wbkang> did you take a look at this post? http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/top_5_unsuccessful_searches_on[20:34:24] <klg1> i tried with blastwave, but it gives a nasty OS error: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=1770#c27[20:34:27] <klg1> yes[20:34:28] <wbkang> oh[20:34:31] <wbkang> okay. :([20:34:55] <wbkang> sorry i couldn't help much.[20:35:33] <klg1> oh :( , it's ok, another road block i hit was , i want to make python2.5 as the default python interpreter, any ideas related to that?[20:36:41] <desai> hi. I'm seeing a weird performance problem over gige between a solaris and linux host; I get 930 Mbps l->s and 26 Mbps s->l. I've checked autoneg, duplex, mtu, and tried replacing the cable/switching ports. The switch doesn't see any errors; neither does the host. Can anyone point me in the right direction?[20:37:04] <jurikm> klg1: if you want, you can use pkgtool and build it based on spec files[20:38:03] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[20:38:18] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:38:18] <klg1> jurikm: any pointers/tutorials/howto, for the work around that you mentioned[20:38:50] *** Yamazaki-kun_ has joined #opensolaris[20:39:13] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[20:39:43] <klg1> jurikm: from what i googled pkgtool is for slackware[20:39:54] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:40:14] <jurikm> klg1: http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/[20:40:14] <jurikm> It should have some preliminary support for IPS[20:40:40] <Younger> hi, does anyone know how to install crossbow opensolaris 08.11? i downloaded the binary but don´t know how to install it[20:41:56] <e^ipi> Younger: just change your repo to dev and upgrade[20:42:02] *** catsmack has joined #opensolaris[20:42:04] <e^ipi> forget about the stuff you downloaded, it's part of solaris now[20:42:07] *** catsmack has quit IRC[20:42:38] <Younger> ok, thank you very much[20:42:45] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[20:43:14] <klg1> jurikm: the point is that i've installed python2.5 from the dev repositories, by default osol comes with python2.4 as the default interpreter, my req. is to change it to python2.5[20:44:52] <jurikm> klg1: pkgtool was mainly for mplayer part of your request...[20:45:02] *** Yamazaki-kun_ has quit IRC[20:45:54] <klg1> jurikm: oh, i misunderstood that part, i'll try to implement it[20:45:54] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:46:07] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[20:46:31] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:46:50] <klg1> just a second thought, can't i just download the codecs from somewhere & install it for totem[20:47:00] <jurikm> klg1: as for python2.5 I have no idea[20:47:22] *** saohh has quit IRC[20:47:50] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris[20:48:22] <klg1> jurikm: it's ok, we'll never know everything & nobody expects that ways, that's y we r here to help each other out ;)[20:48:39] <jurikm> klg1: you can buy Fluendo codecs, or build few of them yourself (e.g. gst-ffmpeg). If you want, look at http://xylab.cz:8080/multimedia/doku.php/gstreamer_ffmpeg (and ignore that Czech language).[20:51:00] <jurikm> klg1: I do not know about any public binaries for IP-protected software...[20:51:08] <klg1> jurikm: don't worry, that is what translate.google.com is there[20:51:33] <Younger> i am sorry, but what is the link to dev repository? i tried to help myself, but i could not find the link, :-[[20:52:10] <e^ipi> pkg set-authority[20:52:12] <wbkang> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/[20:52:20] <e^ipi> set it as your primary, and wbkang just posted the URL[20:54:00] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[20:54:02] *** Guest63989 has joined #opensolaris[20:54:06] <Younger> great, now i am refreshing the catalogs. many many thanks, :-)[20:54:19] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[20:54:30] <Guest63989> Hey all I am importing an application into SMF, the application is puppet...when i do an svcs -a | grep puppet[20:54:31] <Guest63989> i get this[20:54:55] <wbkang> that looks all blank to me...[20:54:55] <Guest63989> why is that?[20:55:01] <Guest63989> i cant enable or disable it or do anything[20:55:13] <Guest63989> but i did import it, any ideas?[20:55:16] <wbkang> what does the log say?[20:55:24] <Guest63989> which log?[20:55:32] <wbkang> /var/svc/log/network-puppet*[20:55:36] <wbkang> i think[20:55:51] <Guest63989> log says nothing[20:56:01] <wbkang> hmm[20:56:29] <wbkang> just to confirm, so they are all blank spaces ?[20:56:41] <Guest63989> there are no blank spaces[20:56:45] <Guest63989> there are dashes[20:56:59] <Guest63989> one where the "online,disables" text should be and one where the date should be[20:57:05] *** kevpete has joined #opensolaris[20:57:34] <Guest63989> this is how it should be[20:57:38] <Guest63989> online Sep_30 svc: /network/nfs/status:default[20:57:40] <Guest63989> for example[20:57:41] *** kevpete has left #opensolaris[20:57:51] *** [JT] has quit IRC[20:57:56] <wbkang> I see... e^ipi might know ..[20:58:17] *** kevpete has joined #opensolaris[20:58:19] <Guest63989> i even tried to delete it via svccfg and reimport it and nada...no errors on import either[20:58:25] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[20:58:33] <Guest63989> i have other server using this same xml manifest just fine[20:58:39] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC[20:58:45] <Guest63989> wbkang: here is the weird thing, if i reboot, it will be fine[20:58:47] <Guest63989> any ideas?[20:59:04] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[20:59:05] <wbkang> wait.. so when you reboot, it's fine and ever?[20:59:05] *** BlueAidan_work has quit IRC[20:59:26] <Guest63989> yea if i reboot the - - will disapear and i can enable or disable the service fine[20:59:30] <Guest63989> is there way to restart smf or something?[20:59:38] <Guest63989> perhaps thats the issue?[20:59:47] <wbkang> possibly.. let me google lol[20:59:50] <Guest63989> atleast i think it will be fine if i reboot[21:00:21] <samc> Guest63989: can you put a copy of the manifest file you made up somewhere?[21:00:22] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[21:01:31] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[21:01:47] <Guest63989> yea hold on[21:02:02] *** joab has joined #opensolaris[21:03:33] <Guest63989> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Ar1HTf[21:03:37] <Guest63989> thats my manifest file[21:03:47] <Guest63989> i actually got it from the puppet documentation[21:03:57] <Guest63989> just updated it with the correct paths[21:03:58] *** chrism has joined #opensolaris[21:04:11] <Guest63989> it works fine in about 50 other systems[21:04:23] <Guest63989> this one appears to be giving me problems[21:04:56] *** desai has left #opensolaris[21:05:02] <Guest63989> samc: let me know what u think[21:05:39] <joab> What is /usr/bin/pfksh?[21:06:16] <e^ipi> 'man pfksh'[21:06:27] <axisys> how do I create an array when connecting through net mgmt port on x4150? it is not taking the INS button to select drive[21:06:29] <joab> Just tried that but I don't have the file[21:06:41] <joab> pfsh exists though.[21:06:56] <Guest63989> joab: sounds like u dont have the man pages installed for it[21:07:02] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[21:07:10] *** donald has joined #opensolaris[21:07:13] <joab> I have the man pages, sorry. It's the executable that isn't there.[21:07:55] <joab> So what's the difference between pfsh and pfksh? Because postgres has pfksh set as shell and I don't seem to have it.[21:08:06] <e^ipi> one is 'sh' the other is 'ksh'[21:08:15] <e^ipi> bourne shell vs. korn shell[21:08:18] <Guest63989> one is sh and one is korn shell[21:08:32] *** blabla1000 has joined #opensolaris[21:11:39] <Guest63989> e^ipi: any ideas with my issue?[21:11:44] <Guest63989> with my blank smf svc?[21:12:04] <samc> joab: I changed my postgres role's shell to /usr/bin/pfsh as I had the same problem[21:12:16] <samc> Guest63989: hrm, I can't see anything obvious wrong with it .. does 'svcs -xv' show anything?[21:12:21] <e^ipi> no idea, but if it works after you reboot then *shrug*[21:12:38] *** wewek has quit IRC[21:12:40] <samc> Guest63989: it'll leave the service offline if the file '/etc/puppetd.conf' doesn't exist, but then again it doesn't say offline[21:13:06] <Guest63989> yea this def doesn't seem like an issue with SMF itself[21:13:08] <Guest63989> its really odd[21:13:44] <Guest63989> samc: ahhh i see this in svcs -xv[21:13:45] <Guest63989> svc:/network/puppetd:default has no "restarter" property group; ignoring.[21:13:54] <Guest63989> whats that mean?[21:15:18] <Guest63989> no restart in the manifest?[21:16:27] <samc> sec, just comparing it to a simple manifest that I use[21:16:46] <samc> but then again if I import your manifest it doesn't give me that error, just sits offline because (I assume) it can't start it[21:17:10] <e^ipi> the config-file dependency looks off to me[21:17:14] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[21:17:25] *** Odin- has quit IRC[21:18:57] <samc> Guest63989: can you do 'svccfg -s puppetd:default listprop'[21:19:08] <samc> and paste it up somewhere[21:19:28] *** geh_meh_geh has quit IRC[21:20:06] *** wbkang has quit IRC[21:20:54] *** Gekz has quit IRC[21:21:17] <samc> Guest63989: you should have a block of properties under 'restarter'; something like this - http://nopaste.info/157163a3fc.html[21:21:37] <samc> if not, then for whatever reason the manifest may not have imported properly[21:22:07] *** luc^ has quit IRC[21:22:54] <samc> Guest63989: you could try removing the service (svccfg delete), restarting svc.startd and svc.configd, then reimporting it again[21:23:08] <samc> ack, meeting time[21:23:09] * samc goes[21:23:31] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[21:24:01] <Guest63989> samc[21:24:03] <Guest63989> here ya go[21:24:10] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[21:24:19] <Guest63989> samc: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/nAKVlM[21:25:26] <joab> samc: No problem doing that? I just tried it here and it worked so far.[21:26:37] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[21:27:10] *** ken1 is now known as ken-zZz[21:28:05] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[21:29:25] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:30:16] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[21:31:43] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[21:33:56] *** javatexan has quit IRC[21:35:11] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[21:37:18] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[21:37:48] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:40:07] *** Guest63989 has quit IRC[21:40:39] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[21:41:15] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[21:43:05] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:43:48] *** chrism has quit IRC[21:45:27] *** wbkang1 has joined #opensolaris[21:45:39] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:46:14] *** wbkang has quit IRC[21:46:32] *** rmesta has joined #opensolaris[21:51:35] *** aveteam has quit IRC[21:52:08] *** moolah has joined #opensolaris[21:53:24] *** airjump has quit IRC[21:54:03] <moolah> hello all[21:54:16] <DukeNuke2> hi[21:54:34] <moolah> i'm trying to boot into OpenSolaris on my drive after a power failure, but GRUB fails with: Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure[21:54:45] *** inaddy has quit IRC[21:54:56] <moolah> everything worked fine until yesterday, then the power went out and i rebooted, it seemed fine[21:55:19] <moolah> so i added a 2nd disk to a new zfs pool and it showed up in mount as well[21:55:29] <moolah> and now, after rebooting, it wont let me boot into it[21:56:23] <moolah> could installing the new disk have somehow mucked up my grub settings?[21:57:34] <pjfloyd> did you change the existing disk addessing in any way (like changing its scsi id)?[21:58:56] <CIA-40> jose borrego <Jose.Borrego at Sun dot COM>: 6811703 System crashing while running snv_109 on WhiteBox QuadXeon[21:58:57] <CIA-40> Michael Speer <Michael.Speer at Sun dot COM>: 6816730 nxge does not build RX packet chains when operating in interrupt mode, 6817424 rdc tables for nxge not programmed properly for hybrid IO operation[22:01:08] *** jurikm has left #opensolaris[22:01:13] <moolah> pjfloyd: no, i did not[22:01:52] <moolah> pjfloyd: when i ran format, fdisk and part, i set up the new slice as "usr", not sure if that means that /usr will be on the new slice....[22:05:17] <klg1> moolah: i've written an entire blog on this issue that you r facing[22:05:35] <moolah> klg1: can i have the link, please?[22:05:47] <klg1> http://www.linuxguy.in/recover-grub-in-solaris/[22:05:49] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[22:06:33] <klg1> moolah: which version of osol r u using currently[22:07:24] <moolah> klg1: OS 2008.05[22:07:43] <e^ipi> you should probably upgrade that[22:07:49] <moolah> the problem is, i have solaris and linux dual booting, so i'm not sure if i wanna wipe out the linux grub[22:07:55] <klg1> i faced those issues while using osol0811 & belenix 0.7.1, as of now, i'm on osol0609 preview, and things are working fine inspite of power going down inconsistently[22:08:05] <xRaich[o]2x> moolah: you need the solaris grub[22:08:07] <e^ipi> moolah: solaris's grub can boot linux. linux's grub can't boot solaris[22:08:11] <xRaich[o]2x> linux grub dies not know zfs[22:08:14] <xRaich[o]2x> does[22:09:37] <moolah> right, i have the linux grub on a diff slice, pointing to its options and one of those is a chainloader that loads the solaris grub[22:10:00] <moolah> in the solaris grub, when i pick OS 2008.05, i get: Error 16: Inconsistent Filesystem Structure[22:10:57] <klg1> moolah: it's better not to mix the linux grub & solaris grub for now[22:11:02] *** asarch has quit IRC[22:11:09] <moolah> ok[22:11:55] <klg1> moolah: this power outage issue is definitely there in osos0811[22:12:21] <moolah> hmm[22:13:04] <klg1> moolah: u can recover the grub, from the methods that i've mentioned in the blog, but it'll again create issues after another power outage[22:13:45] <klg1> moolah: so better solution would be to either shift to osol0811 or osol0906 preview[22:14:02] <moolah> klg1: hmm i dont thinj thats an optio[22:14:14] <moolah> n, right this minute, but i'll consider it, thanks :)[22:14:19] <klg1> moolah: this power outage issue is definitely there in osos0805, sorry typo in the earlier sentence[22:16:06] <klg1> osol 0811 gave me a lot of trouble with my wireless driver, keeps on getting disconnected, but now works better on osol0906[22:16:14] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[22:16:19] <Stric> 0906tobe[22:16:34] *** wbkang1 has quit IRC[22:17:37] <klg1> Stric: yes, osol0906 preview[22:17:54] *** sahX has quit IRC[22:18:11] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[22:18:17] <e^ipi> klg1: it's not a preview[22:18:37] <e^ipi> klg1: it's something that as far as i can tell the genunix people put together as a respin of 2008.11 with a later build[22:18:40] <Stric> It's not close to preview[22:19:04] <e^ipi> it's not built off the same build that 2009.06 will be built from[22:19:16] <Stric> as the date hints, it's a few months away from being 2009.06[22:19:25] <klg1> e^ipi: ok, might be, well i don't know the internals, i was using the name what was given on genunix[22:20:30] <klg1> http://www.opensolaris.com/learn/features/whats-new/200811/#7[22:20:43] <klg1> check out the point 7[22:20:46] *** cemerick has quit IRC[22:20:47] *** Plazma has quit IRC[22:20:59] <klg1> it says opensolaris 2009.04[22:21:08] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris[22:21:28] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[22:21:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[22:21:49] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC[22:23:59] *** proberts has quit IRC[22:26:06] *** joab has quit IRC[22:26:52] *** jlerch has joined #opensolaris[22:28:23] *** jlerch has quit IRC[22:28:28] <klg1> guys, for the past almost 2 hrs i was trying to install mplayer, & things were not so good, so found a solution, using the pkgutil from the blastwave site[22:29:45] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:31:32] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[22:32:05] *** radsy has 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When I log in, instead of getting a username password challenge, I'm getting a desktop. What should I be invoking instead of dtwm?[22:58:46] <CIA-40> jrgn.keil at googlemail dot com: Contributed by Juergen Keil <jrgn.keil at googlemail dot com>, 6679115 lofi(7) shouldn't accept non-powers of 2 for a segment size, 6805505 lofi needs a performance boost[22:58:48] <TrogL> (yes I know dtwm is deprecated)[22:59:15] *** kevpete has quit IRC[22:59:45] <Stric> I don't understand the question.. you get some desktop environment, and you want to know what to start instead of dtwm which you aren't getting anyway?[23:00:19] <TrogL> sorry, dtwm is working. But I shouldn't be coming straight in. I should be getting a username password challenge instead, then dtwm.[23:01:07] <TrogL> reworded question: what application provides username/password challeng on the desktop?[23:01:42] <Stric> how did you start vnc (the server part)?[23:02:19] <TrogL> vncserver, but its configuration file ends with dtwm[23:02:27] <TrogL> I think I should be using something else[23:02:35] <Stric> run vncpasswd[23:02:43] <Stric> then vncserver like you did[23:02:44] <gretel> oh my, opensolaris is so interesting but everythings takes me a hell lot of time[23:03:02] <Stric> doesn't vncserver say BLAH! NO PASSWORD! BLAH! SET ONE! ?[23:03:06] <TrogL> did that, I'm getting challenged for the vnc password OK, but not the username, I'm getting drumped straight to root[23:03:33] <Stric> .. because you started the vnc session (vncserver) as root..[23:03:52] <gretel> things are so easy (for me) on openbsd or freebsd[23:04:15] <xRaich[o]2x> gretel: that's because you know them[23:04:18] <Stric> TrogL: When you start vncserver, you don't spawn a login window.. you spawn an already authenticated session as that user[23:04:28] <smtms> xRaich[o]2x, that's becaues they are simple[23:04:37] <gretel> agreed[23:05:08] <Stric> What is so much easier on f/obsd compared to (open)solaris, and in what way is it easier?[23:05:46] <gretel> :)[23:06:01] <Stric> anything that is because you know one of them already doesn't count[23:06:03] <gretel> first of all, it might be harder to compare freebsd to openbsd than openbsd to solaris[23:06:09] <e^ipi> Stric: enumerating complaints would indicate that it's more than just blind prejudice[23:06:16] <e^ipi> which it usually is[23:06:19] *** _burzum_ has joined #opensolaris[23:06:20] <Stric> e^ipi: Guess why I'm asking the question..[23:06:33] <gretel> well i've said that opensolaris is interesting in the first place[23:06:33] <palowoda> Dove tailing on zfs technology. Tim Foster's Time Slider app should just become a standard for Solaris in general.[23:06:43] <gretel> it's just natural to fell uncomfortable[23:06:52] <gretel> feel, seven[23:06:57] <gretel> doh[23:06:59] <moolah> what are good things to delete in Opensolaris when running out of room? My /tmp is empty, but /var/tmp is 3.4 Gigs[23:07:09] <moolah> safe to nuke that, or....[23:07:18] <bda> Depends on what it's in it.[23:07:28] <TrogL> Stric: so I'm assuming that someplace I can set up something so that incoming vnc requests will do a challenge, then kickc in vncserver?[23:07:47] <gretel> Stric: i feel safe on openbsd. not because of it's proactive security and stuff, but because it's so lightweight and minimal, i've learnt how to control every aspect of the os[23:07:48] <TrogL> I've rtfm'd and I'm getting nowhere[23:07:49] <Stric> TrogL: Not by default.. Maybe ltsp.org has something similar[23:07:53] <e^ipi> palowoda: it's part of opensolaris, ergo it will probably become part of solaris[23:08:00] <Stric> gretel: That wasn't the question[23:08:12] <e^ipi> gretel: "i'm used to it" doesn't mean it's easier[23:08:22] <Stric> gretel: What exactly is EASIER on openbsd compared to (open)solaris, not counting that you know one of them since before[23:08:24] <gretel> Stric: yes, but i'm not willing to end up in the good old discussion of the os[23:08:24] <e^ipi> people get used to living in a war zone, i'd still rather stay in my apartment[23:08:34] <Stric> gretel: Then don't bring it up that openbsd is easier.[23:08:47] <Stric> If you can't back it up yourself[23:08:48] <gretel> i've said, for me[23:08:53] <gretel> why do you try to push it that way[23:09:05] <bda> Tool for the job.[23:09:06] <TrogL> Stric: thanks[23:09:07] *** TrogL has left #opensolaris[23:09:09] <bda> e^ipi: OpenBSD is hardly a war zone. :)[23:09:10] <gretel> again, i've said opensolaris is interesting in the first place[23:09:31] <xRaich[o]2x> gretel: you brought up the topic ;)[23:09:33] <gretel> if you wanna put me trollin or something because i'm a experienced openbsd user, well, go ahead[23:09:37] <smtms> it's that: you don't need to read 100 pages to do stuff in OpenBSD[23:09:44] <smtms> you just need to read one page: the man page[23:09:57] <bda> Depends on the stuff.[23:10:03] <e^ipi> bda: no, it's fine, just not any easier or more difficult than solaris[23:10:05] <gretel> it always depends[23:10:07] <Stric> smtms: any exact example?[23:10:33] *** kevpete has joined #opensolaris[23:10:59] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:11:13] <palowoda> OpenBSD has zfs now.[23:11:17] <smtms> haha :-)[23:11:23] <gretel> i use osx, windows, freebsd, linux (in various flavors). i've used hpux, solaris 7, os/2, netbsd, nextstep, ...[23:11:28] <gretel> now it's opensolaris in addition[23:11:38] *** tamr has quit IRC[23:11:41] *** ericjray has quit IRC[23:11:43] <bda> e^ipi: Some things are easier in OpenBSD. Some things aren't. Hardly seems worth arguing about.[23:11:49] <gretel> palowoda: i've read about the port from netbsd[23:12:07] * bda longs for pf.[23:12:14] <palowoda> gretel: Oh I thought you where talking about openbsd.[23:12:34] <smtms> if Sun haven't employed the ipf guy...[23:12:38] <gretel> oh i missed that one from the list[23:12:58] <palowoda> Bad Sun for hiring darren[23:13:00] <CosmicDJ> what's wrong with ipf?[23:13:06] <bda> No macros.[23:13:19] <bda> Does it have tables now?[23:13:36] <smtms> does it have ease of use now?[23:14:09] <bda> pfsync, CARP integration...[23:14:10] <CosmicDJ> ease of use? it's a firewall... you enable it and then you forget about it[23:14:16] <gretel> i wish opensolaris had openbsd pf[23:14:23] <bda> CosmicDJ: uh, right.[23:14:55] <gretel> CosmicDJ: for how long do you use your nickname?[23:15:07] <CosmicDJ> years[23:15:25] *** ocr has joined #opensolaris[23:15:31] <smtms> with ipf the "forget about it" part is important for your mental health :-)[23:15:42] <ocr> is it possible to downgrade from snv_105 to 101?[23:15:45] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[23:15:56] <ocr> i.e. downgrade to release[23:16:04] <palowoda> ocr: To prove what?[23:16:06] <bda> ocr: Snapshot of the BE?[23:16:10] <bda> :)[23:16:18] <CosmicDJ> gretel: back when/where?[23:16:19] <ocr> palowoda: my zones are fucked :>[23:16:24] <ocr> bda: nope :([23:16:29] <bda> Sucks.[23:16:30] *** Younger has left #opensolaris[23:16:32] <ocr> upgraded from 101a to 105[23:16:43] <ocr> 101a -> 101 didn't work[23:16:44] <trichobezoar> The universe is still intact. Good man.[23:16:47] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[23:17:15] <palowoda> There is no way I would depend on downgrading a version to fix zone problems.[23:17:49] <trichobezoar> fucked how?[23:18:00] <ocr> sysidcfg doesn't work no more[23:18:05] <ocr> cannot provision zones[23:18:30] <ocr> new zones won't boot properly syseventd exits 95, etc[23:18:32] <trichobezoar> I am. ONE MASSIVE HAIRBALL.[23:18:49] <ocr> unnest yourself then[23:19:21] <palowoda> Huh, is there a bugid on that one?[23:19:56] <ocr> considering upgrading to 109 now, will see what gives then[23:20:28] <gretel> going to try zfs on freebsd 7.1[23:20:44] <gretel> i didnt recognize the existing pool created in opensolaris[23:20:44] <palowoda> gretel: I give you permission.[23:21:13] <gretel> should zfs pools be portable among operating systems?[23:21:16] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[23:21:21] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[23:21:42] <palowoda> gretel: It's your job to report back.[23:21:54] <ocr> what's the BCP for updating global + zones?[23:21:54] <gretel> yeah i know i'm lazy[23:22:13] <ocr> (feels like so much chnges between every time i upgrade)[23:22:32] <gretel> to specify my question: are zfs pools expected to work on diffrent os without changes?[23:22:55] <gretel> is this intended? no guarantee? planned? useless?[23:23:13] <e^ipi> zfs pools aren't /expected/ to work anywhere other than solaris[23:23:25] <ocr> he he[23:23:31] <gretel> hehe[23:23:31] <ocr> is zfs even gpl'ed yet?[23:23:32] <e^ipi> they happen to, but that's a fluke, and is the responsibility of other OS vendors to ensure[23:23:37] <e^ipi> ocr: no, thank god[23:23:45] <e^ipi> and it never will be either[23:23:45] *** gaveen has quit IRC[23:23:48] <gretel> freebsd sais:[23:23:56] <gretel> This module (opensolaris) contains code covered by the[23:24:07] <gretel> Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL)[23:24:10] <gretel> ...[23:24:21] <ocr> mm. sun oss license[23:24:24] <gretel> looks frightening[23:24:30] <eviljames> CDDL > GPL[23:24:31] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[23:24:33] <eviljames> It's really that simple.[23:24:36] <eviljames> (imho, of course)[23:24:38] <e^ipi> gretel: why? it's the apache license[23:24:40] <smtms> eviljames, bigger evil?[23:24:42] <gretel> BSD > CDDL[23:24:43] <CosmicDJ> BSD > ...[23:24:44] <ocr> BSD > CDDL[23:24:51] <eviljames> Agreed ^[23:24:53] <gretel> :D[23:24:54] <e^ipi> change a file, distribute the changes. you can add the file to anything though[23:25:05] <trichobezoar> BSD and CDDL accomplish different things[23:25:09] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[23:25:17] <e^ipi> GPL tries to infect the new file though, so that's why GPL projects can't import CDDL files[23:25:24] <CosmicDJ> yeah, we see BSD stuff in linux, but no CDDL stuff ;)[23:25:47] <e^ipi> that's because you can change the BSD license[23:26:02] <trichobezoar> ...Dont you need the (C)'s permission for that?[23:26:13] <CosmicDJ> if you own the code, you can change any license[23:26:15] <ocr> legally.. you cannot really change the BSD license[23:26:27] <ocr> thats a misconception[23:26:35] <ocr> but not gonna get into that now[23:27:01] <e^ipi> well, it can be effectively held under the GPL[23:27:29] <ocr> the essence is that the <part|snippet|code> will still be BSD[23:27:34] *** scoffi1 has joined #opensolaris[23:28:03] <smtms> ocr, or BSD+more restrictions imposed by another license[23:28:19] *** gretel has quit IRC[23:28:36] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[23:28:37] <trichobezoar> "Hah look the bsd camp is stupid. we can take their code and we dont even have to give anything back"[23:28:54] <palowoda> Same as it ever was.[23:29:05] <ocr> sigh. troll.[23:29:07] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: this is intended[23:29:14] <CosmicDJ> and not stupid[23:29:20] <gretel> trollin'[23:29:30] <eviljames> I think that was a joke,but it could've been a troll.[23:29:54] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: no, the real problem is that they add extensions to it under the GPL and effectively lock anyone other than themselves out[23:29:59] <gretel> trichobezoar: we give love to the people. the best code we could build[23:30:13] <smtms> (for free)[23:30:18] <trichobezoar> It's quoted, it's what someone else is saying. ... just a ponderance on what someone may think[23:30:28] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris[23:30:40] <palowoda> You can't even make a buck trolling these days.[23:31:05] <gretel> i got used to opensolaris kernel cifs[23:31:10] <gretel> it's so fqn simple[23:31:50] <gretel> on freebsd i have to install like hundred of deps just to get samba into the userland[23:32:09] <trichobezoar> Makes sense of samba is your first installed program[23:32:15] <tomww> anyone seen an upgraded x86 box (snv107 -> snv110) waiting on SATA disks on unused ports for *ever* ?[23:32:33] <smtms> gretel, Windows is even simpler with respect to CIFS support[23:32:38] *** abcdefg has joined #opensolaris[23:32:50] <tomww> failed ... :-)[23:32:54] <abcdefg> hi[23:33:08] <abcdefg> how do i start up a script during boot up in solaris[23:33:09] <abcdefg> ??[23:33:15] <palowoda> tomww: Is that a headsup?[23:33:30] <gretel> smtms: agreed for the clinet[23:33:33] <gretel> client, event[23:33:46] <smtms> even even[23:33:52] <gretel> doh[23:33:59] <e^ipi> abcdefg: create an SMF manifest to run it[23:34:01] <gretel> fqn kezboard[23:34:27] <tomww> palowoda: I couldn't find one ...[23:34:31] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[23:35:12] <palowoda> tomww: I hope it isn't 110 and 111 are restricted builds.[23:35:25] <tomww> I'm suspecting that it's something with disks, booted with "-v" it writes npe0.... then after many minutes the first SATA disk is pritned (have only one connected, days ago another one was on the system)[23:35:50] <tomww> hehe, is *is* 110[23:36:23] *** donald has quit IRC[23:36:45] <tomww> if someone is willing to look into that ...[23:37:06] <tomww> for couriosity: if I boot the Xen kernel then 110 works fine![23:37:23] <tomww> plain 110 without xen kernel does hang.[23:37:26] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[23:37:57] <palowoda> That sounds a little weird.[23:38:39] <tomww> how to root cause that?[23:38:53] *** CrayT3E has quit IRC[23:38:54] *** abcdefg has quit IRC[23:39:28] <palowoda> Boot with kdm and find out where it's hanging.[23:39:48] *** scoffin has quit IRC[23:40:18] <tomww> okay, how to do that with kdm ... is there a generic step guide?[23:40:25] *** kevpete has left #opensolaris[23:40:51] <tomww> I'll do another attempt with -vk[23:40:52] <palowoda> Yeah Dan Mick has blogged about booting solaris and debugging hangs.[23:41:44] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[23:41:54] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[23:41:58] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[23:42:47] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:43:33] <gretel> freebsd 7.1-release paniced[23:43:46] <gretel> copying a 700mb file on on raidz2 pool[23:44:11] <oninoshik1> gretel: souldn't you ask the freebsd people?[23:44:31] <gretel> there was no question[23:44:55] <oninoshik1> oh.... ok *shrug*[23:46:02] <tomww> palowoda: thx, will try[23:46:09] *** hohum has quit IRC[23:46:18] *** Gman has quit IRC[23:46:38] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[23:47:46] <monsted> gretel: freebsd ZFS isn't exactly the most stable :)[23:48:11] <gretel> seems like the bottleneck is the sata controller[23:48:25] <gretel> as freebsd suffers from similar problems as opensolaris[23:48:30] <monsted> the bottleneck is somewhere in the memory subsystem :)[23:48:50] <gretel> yeah i've read how to fix that, waiting for reboot[23:48:55] <monsted> to be fair, it's much better than it used to be[23:49:04] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[23:49:11] <oninoshik1> gretel: you might try seeing if you have a problem with a mirrored pool[23:50:16] <oninoshik1> and what controller are you useing?[23:50:55] <gretel> SiI3124[23:51:00] <gretel> PIC[23:51:05] <gretel> PCI, even[23:51:09] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[23:51:18] <gretel> because the mini-itx boards lacks PCIe[23:52:29] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[23:53:26] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[23:53:52] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[23:54:27] <gretel> monsted: you mean freebsd?[23:54:37] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[23:55:14] *** coldsun has joined #opensolaris[23:55:33] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[23:55:40] <coldsun> I can't boot from live cd. How can it be?[23:55:52] <trichobezoar> What happens[23:56:00] <coldsun> I got message "out of memory"[23:56:03] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[23:56:19] *** Plazma has quit IRC[23:57:05] <coldsun> May be I have not enough RAM size?[23:57:10] *** sartek has quit IRC[23:57:12] *** sartek_ has joined #opensolaris[23:57:58] <coldsun> But my RAM size = 512MB[23:58:01] *** cypromis has quit IRC[23:58:24] <trichobezoar> Could be from your video card stealing it[23:58:35] <coldsun> ?[23:58:58] <coldsun> I tried to boot with "livemode=text"[23:59:08] <CIA-40> Sudheer A <Sudheer.Abdul-Salam at Sun dot COM>: 6772616 brand install is broken if root umask is not 022[23:59:50] *** chrisrr has quit IRC[23:59:59] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC