March 15, 2009 
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March 15, 2009 [00:00:36] *** mib_y0ng7irs has joined #opensolaris[00:02:44] *** mib_y0ng7irs has left #opensolaris[00:04:25] *** javatexan1 has joined #opensolaris[00:05:03] *** panos has quit IRC[00:06:11] *** mikefut has quit IRC[00:06:31] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[00:11:27] *** javatexan has quit IRC[00:15:23] <nachox> Disorganized, boot with verbose enabled?[00:16:08] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[00:17:27] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[00:18:57] *** servo-- has joined #opensolaris[00:19:26] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[00:24:12] *** ricardo-vlh has quit IRC[00:24:41] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[00:26:50] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[00:27:02] *** kate21de1 has joined #opensolaris[00:27:33] *** sahX has quit IRC[00:28:44] *** DimStar has quit IRC[00:29:02] *** servo- has quit IRC[00:30:28] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[00:32:31] *** the-rar has quit IRC[00:33:51] *** stanojr has joined #opensolaris[00:37:05] *** trochej has quit IRC[00:37:08] *** trochej has joined #opensolaris[00:37:10] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[00:40:49] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[00:41:18] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[00:42:52] *** kate21de has quit IRC[00:42:52] *** alyu has quit IRC[00:51:41] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[00:52:23] *** cypromis has quit IRC[00:52:29] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC[01:09:37] *** LouisJB_ has quit IRC[01:14:42] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris[01:18:23] *** niq has quit IRC[01:22:13] <Disorganized> so i enabled verbose mode when booting the sxcd b109 dvd[01:22:24] <Disorganized> the last msg i get is ramdisk0 is /ramdisk[01:22:53] <Disorganized> there was some output before that, however it greys out the screen and i can't see it[01:25:52] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:26:33] *** javatexan1 has quit IRC[01:27:24] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: are you booting the installer in text mode?[01:27:32] <trichobezoar> how much ram do you have?[01:27:38] <Disorganized> 4gb[01:27:44] <_Lewellyn> or are you trying to run the gui installer (which currently is broken)?[01:28:03] <Disorganized> just whatever the default installer is on the grub menu[01:28:26] <_Lewellyn> um. after you boot the dvd, you get a few seconds (after grub) to choose which installer you want[01:28:29] <_Lewellyn> you want the text installer[01:28:33] <trichobezoar> There's a 30 second wait before it goes to the GUI[01:28:37] <_Lewellyn> the other ones are broken right now[01:28:45] <Disorganized> it never makes it that far[01:28:46] <_Lewellyn> i think it's #5[01:28:56] <_Lewellyn> the gui won't load right now, no.[01:29:10] <Disorganized> it makes it to grub, then throws across 25 or 30 .'s[01:34:06] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[01:37:34] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[01:38:10] <Disorganized> the last thing it displays is the "SunOS Release 5.11 Version snv_109 64-bit" use is subject to license terms. blah blah[01:38:13] <Disorganized> it never goes past that[01:38:24] <trichobezoar> Is it a PIII?[01:38:43] <Disorganized> Intel Xeon 3220-Quad Core [2.4GHz][01:38:48] <Disorganized> 4gb ram[01:39:51] <trichobezoar> Interesting. Not much to go on.[01:40:01] <Disorganized> exactly[01:40:13] <_Lewellyn> you could try to boot a 32-bit kernel[01:40:37] <_Lewellyn> it's possible you have a buggy bios or something *shrug*[01:40:38] <trichobezoar> The installation kernel used to be 32bit...[01:40:54] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i think it now does ISA stuff[01:41:25] <Disorganized> 2008.11 installs fine[01:41:28] <Disorganized> solaris 10 installs fine[01:41:36] <Disorganized> b109 just hangs here[01:41:50] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: you could try hitting 'e' in grub, and changing the kernel line to not have "$ISADIR"[01:42:06] <Disorganized> ok[01:42:40] <_Lewellyn> if that works, you have enough for a good bug report :)[01:44:55] <Disorganized> so the line i see now is kernel$ /boot/platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unixq -B install_media=cdrom[01:45:44] <Disorganized> what should I replace $ISADIR with?[01:45:44] <_Lewellyn> get rid of $ISADIR[01:45:49] <Disorganized> just remove it?[01:45:52] <_Lewellyn> yup[01:46:04] <_Lewellyn> that should force a 32-bit kernel[01:46:19] <_Lewellyn> "unixq"? o_O[01:46:52] <Disorganized> ya, it doesn't fine /boot/platform/i86pc/kernel/unixq[01:47:06] <Disorganized> err doesn't find[01:47:07] <Disorganized> rather[01:47:22] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris[01:47:28] <_Lewellyn> too bad i blew away my 109 iso when i hit my ENOSPC issue the other day :([01:49:29] *** cypromis__ has joined #opensolaris[01:50:17] <Disorganized> hmm[01:53:21] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[01:59:59] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC[02:00:59] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[02:01:44] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[02:08:39] *** zyg has joined #opensolaris[02:11:19] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[02:13:03] *** cypromis__ has quit IRC[02:16:24] *** javatexan has quit IRC[02:16:35] *** alain10 has quit IRC[02:17:00] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[02:17:37] *** CrayT3E has joined #opensolaris[02:19:10] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris[02:20:27] <Disorganized> i wonder if i should try b107[02:25:47] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis[02:26:41] <Disorganized> man, well now i can't decide between solaris 10, opensolaris 2008.11 or sxce[02:27:05] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[02:28:35] <zyg> Both OS2008.05 and OS2008.11 LiveCDs will not display a terminalon my PC because the kernel can't find a compatible frame buffer. How do I tell the kernel not use a frame buffer and just use a standard console instead?[02:28:54] <Disorganized> solaris 10 works and is stable, but doesn't have much of the cool stuff, opensolaris 2008.11 installs, but seems to be geared for desktops, and this ipkg zone stuff is lame. and sxce won't even boot the kernel.[02:31:07] *** Gekz has quit IRC[02:31:13] <bda> What does Sol10 lack that you are about?[02:31:22] <bda> Besides IPS.[02:31:53] <e^ipi> broken userland[02:32:04] <bda> Heh.[02:32:23] <monsted> i'd like a solaris kernel with a freebsd userland :)[02:32:39] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[02:32:39] <e^ipi> so do it[02:32:40] <bda> Where userland in that context means what?[02:32:43] *** CrayT3E has quit IRC[02:32:44] *** CrayT3E has joined #opensolaris[02:32:51] *** shuman_ has joined #opensolaris[02:33:12] <e^ipi> csh ?[02:33:28] <monsted> bda: everything in the freebsd base, except the kernel[02:33:36] <bda> Use pkgsrc.[02:34:00] * bda watching Raiders of the Lost Ark for the first time in a decade.[02:34:05] <e^ipi> the kernel <--> libc bridge is nontrivial[02:34:09] <e^ipi> and nonportable[02:34:20] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[02:34:20] *** myosound has quit IRC[02:34:26] *** kriebel has joined #opensolaris[02:34:26] <monsted> e^ipi: i wouldn't expect it to happen any time soon :)[02:34:43] <e^ipi> i wouldn't really see the point[02:34:48] <kriebel> how do I set a smb share to allow anonymous connections?[02:34:49] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[02:34:51] <monsted> and it's about as silly as the debian folks doing their GNU/FreeBSD bastard :)[02:34:55] <e^ipi> kriebel: upgrade to build 112[02:35:03] <kriebel> sigh[02:35:08] <kriebel> how do I tell what build I have?[02:35:13] <e^ipi> you don't have 112[02:35:18] <kriebel> 101[02:35:28] <kriebel> so, short answer is, I can't?[02:35:32] <kriebel> w/o Samba?[02:35:37] <e^ipi> not for another 3 weeks or so, no[02:35:41] <kriebel> wtfs[02:35:51] <e^ipi> ?[02:35:55] * kriebel mounts the NFS share on Linux and runs samba there[02:36:00] <kriebel> thank, though[02:36:04] <e^ipi> *shrug*[02:36:14] <kriebel> my wife wants to play her music from Windows[02:36:21] <kriebel> I took all our files and put them on my ZFS[02:36:22] <monsted> you could just run samba on solaris[02:36:44] <e^ipi> monsted: don't be so logical...[02:36:49] <kriebel> I'm really more familiar with Debian, for now[02:36:51] <monsted> sorry[02:37:07] <e^ipi> kriebel: samba's samba[02:37:13] <e^ipi> it all acts the same[02:37:17] <kriebel> Debian has been this sweet, sweet package heroin[02:37:31] <kriebel> Solaris scares me in that regard[02:37:32] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[02:37:34] <e^ipi> and like heroin, sometimes it's poison[02:37:38] <kriebel> I wouldn't know how to install it[02:37:43] <e^ipi> pkg(1)[02:37:47] *** CrayT3E has left #opensolaris[02:37:53] <e^ipi> it's like apt-get, but different[02:37:55] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[02:37:56] <zyg> Don't feel bad kriebel, I can't even find out how to pass a simple command to the kernel, at least you got it to install[02:38:10] <e^ipi> zyg: one typically doesn't pass commands to the kernel[02:38:24] <kriebel> heh, I got the same laffs in the OpenBSD channel[02:38:36] <e^ipi> as well you should[02:38:39] <Disorganized> does solaris10 10/08 allow a zone root to be a zone dataset, and allow the admin of this zone to create new zfs filesystems and maintain them?[02:38:49] <Disorganized> err zfs dataset[02:38:49] <Disorganized> rather[02:38:52] <kriebel> well stupid kernel wouldn't boot with the USB chip turned on... so... fooey on them[02:38:53] <trichobezoar> hahaha Disorganized, i've asked that same question[02:38:57] <trichobezoar> no, it does not[02:39:02] *** javatexan has quit IRC[02:39:03] <Disorganized> ya see, that's one thing i'm after[02:39:06] <zyg> e^ipi: I need to get it installed.[02:39:09] <benley> that didn't start working until fairly recently in nevada.[02:39:13] *** CrayT3E has joined #opensolaris[02:39:14] *** panos has joined #opensolaris[02:39:19] <e^ipi> zyg: sounds like a personal failing[02:39:26] <trichobezoar> benley: you mean that works now?[02:39:30] <Disorganized> hsince why i'm really shooting for sxce b109, i just can't get the installer to boot[02:39:35] *** CrayT3E is now known as labrop[02:39:37] <trichobezoar> the zonepath can be a delegated zfs for a zone?[02:39:38] <Disorganized> geez i can't type today heh[02:39:40] *** labrop is now known as plabrop[02:39:48] <zyg> e^ipi: then tell me what you would do.[02:39:50] <Disorganized> trichobezoar: it can in the newer builds, yes[02:39:51] <benley> trichobezoar: doesn't it? I thought I read about that being a feature recently[02:40:01] <e^ipi> zyg: i'd put the CD in and turn the machine on[02:40:11] <e^ipi> or set up a jumpstart server[02:40:14] <trichobezoar> benley: I looked into it 2 months ago, saw it didnt exist yet, and sat back and waited.[02:40:19] <monsted> zyg: don't be so logical[02:40:21] <kriebel> a zone's root can create ZFSs. I've done it[02:40:28] <kriebel> don't know what to do to prep that, though[02:40:48] <monsted> err[02:40:48] <trichobezoar> yes. but the 'zonepath' cannot be used in the same way as a 'delegated' dataset[02:40:55] <monsted> e^ipi: don't be so logical :)[02:41:01] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[02:41:18] <trichobezoar> kriebel: yeah it can. through add dataset. but that dataset cant be the same as zonepath[02:41:57] <Disorganized> trichobezoar: from what i've read, build 109 can[02:42:13] *** kate21de1 has quit IRC[02:42:15] <Disorganized> does someone know where I can download build 107 to try to install and then upgrade to build 109?[02:42:15] <trichobezoar> Disorganized: well that's an awesome feature[02:42:27] <benley> why can't you just install b109?[02:42:28] <Disorganized> trichobezoar: i agree! too bad the build 109 installer won't boot for me :([02:42:31] <benley> oh[02:42:31] <trichobezoar> why cant you install 2008.11 and upgrade?[02:42:44] <trichobezoar> Oh, you're using sxce[02:43:03] <Disorganized> ya, don't they keep the "opensolaris" and sxce updates seperate?[02:43:22] <Disorganized> trichobezoar: well i'm using opensolaris 2008.11 at the moment[02:43:28] <kriebel> is anyone else tempted to pronounce sxce as "sexy"?[02:43:30] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[02:43:34] <Disorganized> again, i can't get the sxce b109 dvd to install[02:43:36] <e^ipi> so hit up the dev repo *shrug*[02:43:40] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[02:43:49] <Disorganized> e^ipi: ?[02:43:56] <trichobezoar> Disorganized: you need sxce vs os?[02:44:07] <e^ipi> Disorganized: see /topic ... IPS is at build 109 right now[02:44:16] <e^ipi> kriebel: no.[02:44:25] <trichobezoar> it's not sexy :P[02:44:32] <Disorganized> e^ipi: so on 2008.11 if I run an image-update it will put me on build 109?[02:44:39] *** zyg has left #opensolaris[02:44:43] <cypromis> its far too vloe to death to be sexy[02:44:45] <e^ipi> Disorganized: if your primary authority is the dev repo[02:44:52] <Disorganized> i see[02:44:57] <e^ipi> cypromis: vloe?[02:44:59] <trichobezoar> close[02:45:03] <cypromis> close[02:45:22] <Disorganized> e^ipi: you wouldn't have a link to a doc on h ow to change the ips repo would you?[02:45:28] <e^ipi> Disorganized: man pkg[02:45:38] <Disorganized> fair enough[02:45:43] <Disorganized> heh[02:45:44] <e^ipi> the dev repo is pkg.opensolaris.org/dev[02:46:28] <Disorganized> thanks[02:46:54] * kriebel develops more hate for pkg[02:47:04] <trichobezoar> why?[02:47:28] <kriebel> everything looks like SUNWmnbcn[02:47:41] <e^ipi> kriebel: historical reasons. that's changing[02:47:42] <kriebel> instead of... something readable[02:47:49] <trichobezoar> That's not worse than pkgadd[02:48:12] <kriebel> no, but so far it's not better than RPM in 1999[02:48:18] <e^ipi> i actually quite like knowing where my packages are coming from[02:48:36] <trichobezoar> But that's what the packages are named... that's not a 'fault' of pkg[02:48:42] <kriebel> yes, from the vowel fairy, who eats all the vowels first[02:49:11] <e^ipi> pkg has nothing to do with it really[02:49:14] <trichobezoar> same reason it's 'ls' and not 'list'[02:49:24] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: list what?[02:49:43] <trichobezoar> 'list_files_from_filesystem_and_display_to_stdout'[02:49:45] <e^ipi> $ list_all_the_fliles_in_the_current_directory_in_alphabetical_order[02:49:59] <e^ipi> stdout?[02:50:07] <e^ipi> i think you mean "the_standard_output_device"[02:50:22] <trichobezoar> But there is a usable search function[02:50:55] <trichobezoar> Now I kind of find it strange that pkg wont cache the repo and let it be manually updated like apt (maybe NIH?) but that's not a Major Issue (although it does slow things down)[02:51:28] * kriebel made a major breakthrough: -r[02:51:38] <trichobezoar> That helps a lot, kriebel[02:52:26] <kriebel> what does pkg rebuild-index do if not cache the repo?[02:52:41] <e^ipi> i bet the man page tells you[02:53:07] <kriebel> like most of these Sun man pages, they seem to require a lot of prior knowlege[02:53:26] <trichobezoar> The sun man pages contain lots of examples and fully explain everything[02:53:43] <e^ipi> as opposed to the GNU man pages, which contain very little knowledge[02:53:52] <e^ipi> which is often incorrect[02:53:57] <e^ipi> assuming the man page is there at all[02:54:15] <monsted> of course it isn't[02:54:21] <trichobezoar> Compare chmod and set/getfacl vs chmod on solaris (which does acl stuff)[02:54:26] <monsted> you need to use $document-system-of-the-week[02:54:29] *** yarihm has quit IRC[02:54:40] <kriebel> from the first sub-command in pkg:[02:54:41] <kriebel> Create, at location given by dir, an image suitable for package[02:54:41] <kriebel> operations. The default image type is user, as given by the -U[02:54:43] <kriebel> (--user) option.[02:54:54] <kriebel> first, wtf is an image in this context[02:55:04] <e^ipi> pkg(5) explains that[02:55:06] <kriebel> how can it be of type "user"? what does that mean?[02:55:50] <monsted> so you whine when "man ls" doesn't explain what a file is?[02:55:56] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[02:56:01] <dclarke> hello[02:56:02] <kriebel> and all the admining commands have sub-commands, making them harder to type and their man pages 20 screens long[02:56:29] <e^ipi> kriebel: you'd prefer the sub-commands be prefixed with -- ?[02:56:32] <piwi> harder to type, lol[02:56:34] <kriebel> no, but files are fundamental. pkg(1) isn't[02:56:35] <bda> kriebel: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/docinfo.html[02:56:35] <e^ipi> so, pkg --image-update ?[02:56:37] <dclarke> oops .. when do the election process close ?[02:56:47] <kriebel> no, maybe pkg-update[02:56:50] <dclarke> when does the election process close ?[02:57:14] <e^ipi> kriebel: why not apt-update?[02:57:21] <e^ipi> why apt-get update?[02:57:31] <kriebel> I didn't write it[02:57:47] <kriebel> also, apt-get update doesn't need more arguments[02:57:51] <monsted> kriebel: i'd rather not have 700 different binaries wrapped around the same app[02:57:59] <e^ipi> monsted: oh...[02:58:02] <piwi> using subcommands is the best idea ever. no one needs to know all the commands. type pkg and you have all subcommands you need.[02:58:10] <e^ipi> monsted: uhh... best to avoid the userland then[02:58:15] <e^ipi> monsted: they're all ksh93 these days[02:58:40] <kriebel> e^ipi: is he whispering to you?[02:58:56] <kriebel> what's in ksh?[02:59:00] <e^ipi> everything[02:59:09] <trichobezoar> An installed OpenSolaris 2008.11 release on your system, constitutes an image. Packages can be installed directly within this image. New images are created to mark a boundary between the packages installed in different images.[02:59:16] <trichobezoar> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/ggdcd.html#ghlzw[02:59:22] <e^ipi> $ sleep --version[02:59:22] <e^ipi> version sleep (AT&T Research) 1999-04-07[03:00:07] <kriebel> I'm running bash and that gets me the GNU coreutils copyright[03:00:36] <kriebel> I don't think I volentarily changed anything since install 2008.11[03:00:51] <e^ipi> kriebel: a lot of /bin was replaced with hardlinks to ksh93[03:01:17] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[03:01:18] <kriebel> huh[03:01:29] <e^ipi> and your $PATH is probably broken if you're getting coreutils[03:01:29] <trichobezoar> That documentation is actually useful[03:01:41] <e^ipi> which means you don't get things like ACL's[03:02:00] <kriebel> huh[03:02:04] <kriebel> /usr/gnu/bin first[03:02:16] <e^ipi> right, like i said, broken[03:02:17] * kriebel checks /etc/profile[03:02:26] <trichobezoar> 2008.11 is broken by default.[03:02:50] *** stewart_ has quit IRC[03:03:03] *** stewart__ has joined #opensolaris[03:03:09] <bda> kriebel: You should check #workchan too.[03:03:16] <trichobezoar> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/ghpah.html[03:03:28] <kriebel> ohnohs[03:03:35] <kriebel> caught by my boss[03:04:06] <bda> Heh.[03:04:14] <e^ipi> kriebel: way to embarass yourself[03:08:51] <kriebel> I stand by my preference[03:09:02] <kriebel> but thanks for the technical info and the links[03:09:51] <kriebel> I love how /etc/profile has a license header[03:09:55] <kriebel> I remember that from IRIX[03:09:55] <e^ipi> 90% of the personal computing industry prefers windows[03:10:13] <e^ipi> clearly preference and quality are noncongruent[03:10:22] <kriebel> heh[03:10:42] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[03:10:59] <kriebel> 87% of that 90% doesn't know any better[03:11:23] <trichobezoar> why all the hate on windows[03:11:43] <e^ipi> kriebel: and most linux users don't know better either[03:11:49] <kriebel> is that a rhetorical question?[03:12:58] <monsted> i think i'd rather be stuck with windows than with Linux, really[03:13:02] *** Jondice has quit IRC[03:13:09] <kriebel> trichobezoar: so, what else in your estimation is broken in 2008.11 ?[03:13:10] <eklof> Will there be a 2009.04 or 2009.05 ?[03:13:23] <eklof> Heard something about release in April insted of May.[03:13:43] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[03:14:18] <trichobezoar> kriebel: Well the default path having gnu first is broken. I dont have any other specific complaints of things being done wrong... other than the pkg cache (required internet for every pkg search -r)[03:14:47] <kriebel> so we've covered your key complaints[03:15:06] <e^ipi> sparse zones[03:15:08] * trichobezoar shrugs. what are you looking for? there are bugs[03:15:29] <dclarke> excuse me, does anyone know what a "chash" is ?[03:15:38] <bda> It's when you want an elm instead.[03:15:42] <dclarke> and to be specific : for the XCU4 package[03:15:57] <dclarke> file 4697caf4f2168f2f7e819bbb732b93f4daa7f132 chash=84deb9c5aced55c2682dbcd203d18854d9d11c7b elfarch=i386 elfbits=32 elfhash=427a565f93b55e6d6dcb1f07576d57341a7e3f7a group=bin mode=0555 owner=root path=usr/xpg4/bin/grep pkg.csize=8507 pkg.size=22288[03:16:20] <e^ipi> a hash of some sort most likely[03:16:20] <kriebel> well, it seems to be a hash[03:16:30] <kriebel> and the sort begins with 'c'?[03:16:32] <dclarke> clearly[03:16:48] <dclarke> must be an MD5 hash[03:19:11] <Disorganized> e^ipi: so I used set-authority -P to set the dev repo as pref. then ran pkg image-update and it says no updates for this image[03:19:52] <e^ipi> what's the output of pkg authority[03:19:53] <e^ipi> ?[03:20:23] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[03:21:48] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[03:28:21] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: back to your sxce woes, 106 is probably the "best" build atm[03:30:14] <e^ipi> 110 is restricted, 111 is restricted even more[03:30:46] <e^ipi> if a few builds before that are a bit flaky, it probably has a lot to do with people trying to get stuff in before the cutoff[03:31:04] <e^ipi> 2009.06 is shipping with 111[03:32:15] <nachox> PAD is something i'm waiting for[03:32:31] <e^ipi> PAD?[03:32:37] <_Lewellyn> i'm waiting for the new intel drivers :P[03:35:39] <Disorganized> e^ipi: i got the image-update going, thanks[03:35:45] <e^ipi> no worries[03:36:00] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[03:36:08] <Disorganized> i still feel odd about running opensolaris for a server build tho heh[03:36:16] <Disorganized> it just seems to be geared for desktops[03:36:26] <e^ipi> so use solaris10[03:37:21] <Disorganized> I would, but I really want the functionality of delegating datasets to zones and allowing the zone admin to make zfs filesystems with said delegated zfs dataset[03:37:59] <e^ipi> my zones all act like my global zone[03:38:20] <trichobezoar> they can already do whatever they want with a delegated zfs[03:38:22] <e^ipi> / is left alone on one set of data, and i have a storage pool for important stuff[03:38:54] <e^ipi> ie, i enforce a system/data split[03:39:19] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[03:44:34] *** javatexan has quit IRC[03:46:23] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[03:46:33] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[03:47:47] *** piwi_ has joined #opensolaris[03:48:24] *** e1kg has quit IRC[03:52:40] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[03:53:57] *** cypromis has quit IRC[03:53:59] *** mib_j0p1jkax has quit IRC[03:55:16] <e^ipi> if it were not a thousand dollars, this would be my next case: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=32186&vpn=CSE-846TQ-R900B&manufacture=SuperMicro[03:56:19] <samc> e^ipi: phft, for $1000 you'd think they'd throw in a floppy drive slot ;)[03:56:55] *** piwi has quit IRC[03:59:12] <jamesd__> samc, what's a floppy?[04:00:18] <jamesd__> i don't remeber the last time in the last 10 years i actually used a floppy.. that is why they make cd-r's and flash drives[04:00:34] <samc> jamesd__: it's this amazing thing where you can actually store data on a flexible piece of plastic that's been coated with a magnetic layer[04:00:41] <samc> it's amazing what you can do with technology these days :D[04:03:54] <jamesd__> 1.4MB... that is not even long enough to store a full song[04:04:43] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[04:04:47] <bda> Disorganized: ...huh? (re: delegated dataset for zones)[04:05:10] <bda> Disorganized: My Solaris 10 zones all have delegated datasets (pool/zones/zone/tank) delegated to them.[04:05:18] <_Lewellyn> 2.88MB ;)[04:06:30] *** piwi_ has quit IRC[04:06:40] <samc> jamesd__: ahh, but that's when you get SIX floppy drive and stripe them up[04:06:46] <samc> blindingly .. still slow[04:06:48] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[04:07:24] <jamesd__> 6 of them together is still not big enough to be a zfs pool.. i think 128MB is the smallest allowed[04:08:08] <samc> metasets? ;)[04:08:24] <samc> does the old meta* stuff still exist in opensolaris? I haven't actually tried[04:08:48] <samc> heh, looks like it's still there[04:08:52] <samc> kickin' it oldschool[04:09:00] <jamesd__> it exists in SXCE not sure about osol[04:09:52] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[04:10:40] <samc> "Federal prosecutors in Los Angeles are pursuing a 6-month prison term for a Los Angeles man who pleaded guilty in December to one misdemeanor count of uploading pre-release Guns N' Roses tracks, according to court documents." <- yeah, that doesn't seem at all excessive[04:11:29] *** shuman_ has quit IRC[04:11:41] <jamesd__> samc, yeah if he goes to jail he will get free food and a place to stay, and perhaps make a couple new friends... bubba and pedro are getting lonely[04:12:32] *** e-jat has quit IRC[04:14:00] <Disorganized> well there is absolutely something about b109 that doesn't like my system[04:14:22] <Disorganized> the image-update from 2008.11 to b109 results in the same boot issues that the sxce b109 dvd has[04:14:28] <Disorganized> it doesn't load anything, doesn't even begin to[04:16:51] *** Camus_ has joined #opensolaris[04:17:33] <Camus_> whats up people[04:18:04] <Camus_> I broke pkgadd and pkgrm by attempting to install SUNWzoneu and SUNWzoner - what are my options?[04:18:08] <Camus_> I'd rather not reinstall[04:18:13] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: you may wish to look for a bug in the database :)[04:18:32] <_Lewellyn> Camus_: revert to your prior BE?[04:19:41] <Camus_> I wish I had taken a snapshot.[04:19:52] <Camus_> It's 24 hour SUNWCreq installation[04:20:29] <Camus_> It's the worst.. I only wanted to add Zones capabilities to the system and did not install SUNWpool or SUNWluzones first[04:21:48] *** javatexan has quit IRC[04:22:07] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[04:23:07] <kimc> Disorganized: You are not the only one :)[04:23:20] <Disorganized> oh am I not?[04:24:02] <kimc> no and I'm thinking the boot problems are fairly common[04:25:22] <kimc> I have not seen much discussion about this but its not totally unknown as you might have gotton the impression..[04:26:43] <kimc> Had been running a Supermicro 'server class' motherboard and it won't boot the Opensolaris install disk past about b104[04:27:35] <Disorganized> ahh, that's what i'm runnning[04:27:39] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[04:27:54] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[04:27:55] <kimc> I don't have copies of b105 & b106 so I can't quite zero in on which build broke it[04:28:24] <Disorganized> interesting[04:28:49] <Disorganized> is there somewhere to get ISOs of previous builds?[04:29:24] <kimc> think so.. maybe someone on here can point to the download location?[04:31:00] <kimc> hello pointers :)[04:31:04] <Disorganized> hehe[04:31:20] *** tamr has quit IRC[04:32:25] <palowoda> There was a way to modify the url to the download center and get the old versions. Don't have the example laying around though.[04:33:19] <kimc> i've got to signout and goto bed as iv'e been going since 0400 EDT so.. glad we could get this info out and hope you can report back your findings[04:34:17] *** Cass has quit IRC[04:35:49] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[04:38:15] *** plabrop has quit IRC[04:38:15] *** panos has quit IRC[04:38:48] *** Aussie_user has joined #opensolaris[04:43:47] *** xtrondo has quit IRC[04:46:51] *** myosound has quit IRC[04:48:04] <_Lewellyn> you can change the "109" in the sxce download page url to "106" to get 106. that's all i know ;)[04:51:55] *** Aussie_user has left #opensolaris[04:59:07] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[04:59:25] *** bizkut__ is now known as bizkut[05:00:40] <Camus_> Anyone have any idea of how I can use dtrace when truss is not available?[05:00:48] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[05:00:58] <trichobezoar> Look in the dtrace toolkit. google that[05:01:07] <trichobezoar> DTraceToolkit-0.99 or something[05:01:41] <_Lewellyn> why wouldn't truss be available, btw?[05:06:53] *** stewart__ is now known as stewart[05:08:08] <Camus_> SUNWCreq does not install truss[05:08:19] <Camus_> nor zones[05:08:21] <Camus_> for that matter[05:09:22] <bda> I can get you the pkgs I install with rnet if you want.[05:09:30] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[05:09:59] <Camus_> thanks bda, i'll take a look at them what I'm attempting to build is an opsol nv105 appliance[05:10:19] <bda> Need to boot my JS VM. Sec.[05:10:33] <Camus_> i'd be happy if i can keep OS stuff to under 600megs[05:10:44] <Camus_> smaller if possible[05:11:48] <bda> My base install is ~750MB, but I'm sure you can prune more off.[05:11:53] <bda> Will nopaste in a moment.[05:12:30] <Camus_> thanks bda[05:12:33] <Camus_> appreciate it[05:12:53] <Camus_> i've been working with opsol for the last few weeks this channel really helps[05:15:12] <bda> http://nopaste.com/p/ag5CBAdMqb[05:16:51] <Disorganized> so whats the easiest way to get a full zone in 2008.11 ?[05:17:02] <Camus_> do you setup zfs from the jumpstart?[05:17:19] <Disorganized> should I just run a pkg list on the global zone and install all of t hose pages, or is there an easier way?[05:17:32] <Disorganized> s/pages/pkgs[05:18:10] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[05:19:04] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[05:20:46] <trichobezoar> Wow. The difference of the number of options dladm shows on S10U6 and snv_109 is astounding[05:21:11] <bda> Camus_: Yup.[05:21:28] <bda> Though I'm lazy and still set it manually in the profile JET generates.[05:22:54] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[05:25:21] <Camus_> any ideas if nv108 or 109 does cloning of ZFS sytems like we did with Flash Archives?[05:25:30] <bda> No idea.[05:25:39] <bda> I doubt it.[05:25:40] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: i don't think 2008.11 supports sparse zones[05:25:51] <bda> That seems like something that would go into AI, not Jumpstart.[05:26:07] <Camus_> AI?[05:26:08] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: so i think just creating a zone will give a full zone[05:26:09] <Disorganized> _Lewellyn: well, it installs them as full zones, however it only installs a very very minimal set of packages[05:26:28] <_Lewellyn> dunno. i don't run 2008.11[05:26:30] <bda> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/[05:26:58] <Disorganized> _Lewellyn: it downloads the pkgs from the repo to make the zone, rather than use pkgs on the global zone[05:27:33] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: i'm not sold on a lot of things about osol. that's why i run sxce. *shrug*[05:27:52] <Disorganized> _Lewellyn: well, I'd be on sxce if it would boot on my box. hehe[05:27:55] <Camus_> deep integration with ZFS and SMF[05:27:56] <Camus_> i love it.[05:28:19] <bda> I haven't messed with it at all yet. No major interest for automated OpenSolaris installs (yet).[05:28:32] <bda> When it starts speaking GA or SXCE I'll start caring.[05:28:45] <_Lewellyn> Disorganized: grab 106 ;)[05:28:46] <Disorganized> _Lewellyn: apparently people with Supermicro 'server class' motherboards are having issues booting sxce past b104[05:29:01] <samc> Disorganized: you could 'pkg install entire' which I think has a dependancy for everything that gets installed in a global zone[05:29:12] <_Lewellyn> oh. 104? i thought 106 was where it last worked.[05:29:21] <samc> but that's going to bring in stuff that you don't necessarily want in a non-global zone, like drivers and stuf[05:29:25] <samc> stuff[05:29:34] <Disorganized> _Lewellyn: i haven't tried it myself, but someone in here earlier mentioned 104[05:29:36] <samc> I'm not sure if installing them in a zone has any adverse effects .. I can't see why it would[05:29:41] *** tamr has quit IRC[05:29:45] <Disorganized> samc: yeah, i thought about that[05:30:02] <_Lewellyn> well, here's 106, if you are in the mood...[05:30:04] <_Lewellyn> https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=Sol-Express_b106-FULL-x86-SP-G-B@CDS-CDS_SMI[05:30:09] <Disorganized> samc: I think i'm just going to have to hand pick tons of packages once, then snapshot the zone and use it for cloning[05:30:22] <_Lewellyn> you can get all the way back to 105, it seems[05:30:43] <Disorganized> _Lewellyn: thanks. I'll try that now. :)[05:31:09] <_Lewellyn> i'm sure you can look at the url for 106 and 109 to get 105 ;)[05:31:58] <Camus_> Question guys - I wanted to manage my own repository for my installs of SXCE - where can I get info on setting that up?[05:32:05] <Camus_> Keys, Filesystems, Etc.[05:32:28] <bda> IPS repo?[05:32:33] <Camus_> yes my own[05:32:47] <Camus_> Isolated from the rest of the world[05:32:50] <_Lewellyn> um. you don't get ips in sxce[05:33:05] <bda> People have installed IPS on SXCE, I'm pretty sure.[05:33:13] <bda> Though I haven't heard anyone say anything about it in .. a year?[05:33:16] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[05:33:33] <bda> But, assuming you can get it to work: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/documents/Nov2008/[05:33:43] <bda> Will tell you how to set up a repo, add pkgs to it, etc...[05:34:33] <Camus_> IPS is not a standard part of SXCE?[05:34:35] <samc> I notice that IPS won't check nis uids when trying to chown files it installs :([05:34:48] <samc> bombs out with an error if you try to make a file owned by a user that's only in yppasswd[05:34:49] <_Lewellyn> bda: i think it's ill-advised still[05:34:55] <bda> Camus_: Only OpenSolaris has IPS.[05:35:03] <_Lewellyn> Camus_: sxce uses svr4 packages[05:35:17] <_Lewellyn> samc: nice![05:35:22] <Camus_> I wish OpenSolaris had crossbow support.[05:35:25] * _Lewellyn ticks another point in the anti-ips column[05:35:29] <bda> It does.[05:35:33] <Camus_> 2008.11?[05:35:36] <samc> _Lewellyn: *grin&[05:35:36] <bda> No, dev.[05:35:42] <samc> s/&/*/[05:35:44] <trichobezoar> Camus_: 106 does[05:35:57] <Camus_> NV105 does too but it has a major bug.[05:36:13] <Gekz> so[05:36:23] <Gekz> has nevada been cancelled in favour of indiana yet?[05:36:35] <Camus_> How different is OpSol Dev vs. SXCE NV106?[05:36:37] <samc> Camus_: yeah I'm using crossbow stuff in opensolaris 108[05:37:06] <Camus_> wait a second technically isn't it Nevada 108 and not OpenSolaris? :)[05:37:22] <bda> No. The packages are rebuilt and distrib via IPS.[05:37:35] <bda> Nevada is the base. OpenSolaris is a distro.[05:37:38] * bda waves a hand around.[05:37:53] <trichobezoar> OpenSolaris is a distribution of opensolaris[05:38:06] <Camus_> how recursive[05:38:06] *** hecsa has joined #opensolaris[05:38:07] <bda> :)[05:38:13] <hecsa> Hi[05:39:16] <samc> _Lewellyn: but yeah, tried to make an exim package for my zones .. made a nis user for exim to run as but the package dies when it tries to install. I just went back to a script that rsyncs files out of the global zone and fixes exim.conf for each zone :p[05:40:00] <samc> learning to configure sendmail properly has spent *years* on the todo list, but I still haven't gotten around to it[05:40:09] <_Lewellyn> heh. just make an svr4 package ;)[05:40:32] <bda> samc: Why bother. Use Postfix. :)[05:40:35] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[05:40:41] <bda> See Also: pkgsrc[05:40:51] <trichobezoar> netbsd pkgsrc?[05:41:04] <bda> Yeah.[05:41:22] <samc> bda: heh, yeah postfix doesn't seem too bad - I'm just used to how exim works and I've managed to make it do everything I want now[05:41:22] <trichobezoar> ports has its own management issues[05:41:30] <trichobezoar> err, pkgsrc[05:41:36] <bda> trichobezoar: Oh?[05:41:40] <bda> samc: Postfix is awesome. :)[05:41:41] <_Lewellyn> i've been pretty impressed with SFE so far[05:41:48] <samc> bda: so's exim ;)[05:41:51] <bda> Eh[05:41:59] <bda> At least it's not qmail.[05:42:03] <samc> this is true![05:42:08] <_Lewellyn> since SFE uses the JDS CBE, it's probably the closest you can get to how an official package is done[05:42:25] <trichobezoar> its like having another base system installed... that may not actually compile... with its own management tools to upgrade things...[05:42:38] <bda> _Lewellyn: Yeah, I've thought about moving to SFE, but I still support Linux boxes. So having pkgsrc pkgs of the same version on both platforms is really useful.[05:42:54] <_Lewellyn> bda: you can apparently build RPMs from the same SFE spec files[05:43:01] <bda> Debian boxes.[05:43:09] <_Lewellyn> alien :)[05:43:10] <bda> And yeah, I know that. :)[05:43:12] <bda> alien.[05:43:23] <bda> Punch to the junk.[05:44:42] <bda> Though if Cobbler gets decent Solaris install support, I'll move or Debian boxes to CentOS...[05:44:49] <bda> s/or/our/[05:52:34] * e^ipi doesn't follow the logic[05:53:48] <bda> There isn't much. Debian install support is likely to get better before Solaris install support.[05:54:06] <bda> Moving from pkgsrc to SFE SRV4/RPM ..[05:54:31] <bda> I think Cobbler is neat. I'd like to use it.[05:54:41] <bda> All that said, I think pkgsrc is Just Fine.[05:55:04] <trichobezoar> you build all your .pkg on one computer, then distribute?[05:55:20] <bda> It's 10% more complicated than that, but basically.[05:55:35] <bda> I have a build box for each platform. Debian3, Debian4, Solaris 10.[05:56:12] <bda> I have u3-u6, but because Solaris isn't insane, I can build for all of them once.[05:56:33] *** hecsa has left #opensolaris[05:57:18] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i try to do that[05:57:28] <trichobezoar> it creates svr4 packages?[05:59:07] <bda> No, though iirc there's a convert for that... but my goal is to manage non-OS packages on all platforms via a single tool. So.[05:59:22] *** ihammers has left #opensolaris[05:59:30] <trichobezoar> so you use pkgsrc for them all. interesting[05:59:51] <trichobezoar> that's bold[05:59:54] <bda> Why?[06:00:28] <bda> It's usually very smooth sailing. Sometimes madness occurs... like pkgsrc's apache13/ssl packages are hosed on Linux. 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Shipment would resume in the coming weeks to accommodate the production time.[08:23:05] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[08:24:31] *** wbkang has quit IRC[08:24:56] <TravelByHuman> How imminent?[08:27:16] <e^ipi> in the coming weeks, it would appear[08:27:55] <e^ipi> i was under the impression that 2009.06 was the next release[08:28:18] <e^ipi> which would make it odd to stop shipment on current CD's because that's in 3 months or so[08:28:25] <TravelByHuman> ah[08:28:34] <TravelByHuman> what new features should I expect in that release?[08:28:35] <e^ipi> and on a 6 month release schedule, that's half the product lifetime[08:29:09] <e^ipi> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/[08:29:35] <e^ipi> anything between 101 exclusive and 111 inclusive is not in 2008.11 and will be in 2009.06[08:30:26] <e^ipi> and the list isn't exhaustive[08:30:43] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[08:31:06] <e^ipi> that's just the stuff in the core system[08:31:24] <e^ipi> the stuff derived from other open source has different changelogs[08:31:57] <TravelByHuman> worth waiting for? (for use as a Domain Controller and Virtualisation)[08:34:15] <e^ipi> crossbow's pretty bitchin'[08:34:23] <e^ipi> but you can just upgrade to the dev bits and get that now[08:35:42] *** parijat has joined #opensolaris[08:35:58] <asyd> parijat: as you can see there are more people here :)[08:36:39] <parijat> thanks[08:37:14] <parijat> hii guys can u plz guide me to configure dial-up through mobile phone[08:37:42] <TravelByHuman> what's crossbow?[08:37:56] <ddosia> virtual ip-stack[08:38:25] <parijat> i use samsung sgh-p310 and airtel connection[08:39:56] <parijat> guys plz help me[08:40:02] <ddosia> anybody has a deal with zfs-crypto ?[08:41:17] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:43:27] <e^ipi> a deal?[08:44:39] <palowoda> I'll take two cards please.[08:45:08] <ddosia> =) sorry for my poor english[08:45:43] <ddosia> i mean work with this project... apply it for some kind of tasks[08:45:56] *** jteo has quit IRC[08:46:14] <e^ipi> no, nobody uses it[08:46:21] <e^ipi> it's still some experimental code[08:46:26] <e^ipi> not for use[08:46:33] *** parijat has quit IRC[08:47:22] <ddosia> and then what i should use, if i need crypted datasets?[08:47:53] <e^ipi> reevaluate your life?[08:49:34] <ddosia> mm, this is a joke i think ;-)[08:49:38] <e^ipi> yes[08:50:07] <palowoda> It will come after build 111 sometime.[08:50:26] <palowoda> It's not going to make it for the 06.2009 cut.[08:51:01] <palowoda> Too many open issues from what I read.[08:51:06] <ddosia> ohhh... i hope it is... i am watting for this ...[08:52:07] <palowoda> Yes a lot of people are waiting for it. Something that really has to be done right before hitting the public gates.[08:52:52] *** TravelByHuman has left #opensolaris[08:53:04] <ddosia> i read about LOSUG and LOUG, about little demonstration[08:53:37] <palowoda> You can also discuss it on: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=105[08:54:07] *** skullone has quit IRC[08:56:26] <ddosia> can someone help me with keybord layout switching?[08:57:21] <ddosia> after a upddate my system to 109 i loose opportunity to switch between my nativ keybord layout and us[08:57:40] <ddosia> always see only us[08:57:55] <e^ipi> to be honest i don't really see the point in crypto[08:58:06] <e^ipi> zfs crypto i mean[08:58:30] <ddosia> e^ipi: why? it is very useful, i think[08:58:35] <e^ipi> how?[08:58:47] <palowoda> Protect stolen data.[08:58:54] <e^ipi> *shrug*[08:58:58] <ddosia> to put personal data onto crypted dataset[09:00:24] <palowoda> Of coarse goverments can hold a gun to your head and ask for the key nicely. :)[09:01:02] <e^ipi> palowoda: the silly "oh no, the government can read my harddrive" guys crack me up[09:01:17] <oninoshiko> as can anyone with a gun.[09:01:18] <palowoda> I always liked the idea of plausable deniablity.[09:01:18] <ddosia> palowoda: but if key on flash-stick, wich in different country?[09:01:42] <e^ipi> they tend to be the sort of people who 5 minutes with a roll of saran wrap and a bucket of water and they'll crack anyways[09:01:59] <e^ipi> ddosia: then all the easier to get[09:02:13] <e^ipi> in this country you need warrants... the CIA operating in a different country can do whatever they want[09:02:14] <oninoshiko> or a knife, or billy club...[09:02:27] <e^ipi> that's why CSIS listens to american phone calls, and the NSA listens to canadians[09:02:33] <e^ipi> then they trade notes[09:03:03] <ddosia> e^ipi: they firstly should find that person, and so on...[09:03:11] <e^ipi> though evidently the NSA got tired of asking and just went for it[09:03:41] <palowoda> I know it happens. Some of the people I know at the NSA pick up the phone and answer aye.[09:03:51] <e^ipi> ddosia: here's a hint: you have nothing of value to the intelligence community.[09:04:09] <e^ipi> if you're encrypting your data because of the government, you're just being ridiculous[09:05:07] <oninoshiko> I seem to recall a study that most people would give up passwords for a snickers bar....[09:05:16] <e^ipi> why?[09:05:19] <e^ipi> you have a snickers bar?[09:05:32] <e^ipi> it's "swordfish"... now gimme gimme[09:05:42] <oninoshiko> hehe[09:05:50] * oninoshiko hates snickers[09:05:54] <palowoda> A snickers bar is pretty expensive nowday.[09:05:54] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[09:06:27] <palowoda> How about one jelly belly.[09:06:29] <oninoshiko> palowoda: it is worth more then most people's credit, isnt it?[09:06:34] <e^ipi> it's a dollar[09:06:45] <ddosia> e^ipi: hmm, do not think that you are right[09:06:50] <e^ipi> that's a usage of the word "expensive" that i was not previously familiar with[09:06:56] <palowoda> credit is what screwed up the world right now.[09:07:53] <e^ipi> ddosia: if the government is going to break in to your house and steal your harddrives, they'll do it with a warrant[09:07:54] *** [JT] has quit IRC[09:08:05] <e^ipi> and if they have a warrant, they'll force you to give up the password anyways[09:08:30] <ddosia> e^ipi: how they force me, if i do not have this passwords?[09:08:55] <e^ipi> what country are you in belorussia ? the government doesn't do that[09:09:03] *** luc^ has quit IRC[09:09:13] <ddosia> it is not my problem, how to hide this keys, my problem is to created crypted dataset only[09:09:26] <e^ipi> and in either case failing to provide the key generally looks bad to a jury ( what are you hiding? ) and lands you in jail for contempt anyways[09:09:50] <palowoda> There still is the case for stolen data.[09:10:03] <e^ipi> there is that, i guess yeah[09:10:18] <ddosia> palowoda: this is main purpose[09:10:45] <palowoda> laptop users really want it.[09:10:46] *** ken has quit IRC[09:11:37] <oninoshiko> Under US law they cannot legaly force you to give up passwords. (if they are pothering to fo to the trouble of getting warrants) Its covered under any reasable interptiation of the 5th amendment[09:11:43] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[09:11:59] <e^ipi> oninoshiko: that was true until about a week ago[09:12:24] <palowoda> Really? pointer?[09:12:25] <e^ipi> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/court-self-incrimination-privilege-stops-with-passwords.ars[09:13:27] <e^ipi> i prefer the canadian anti-self-incrimination clause[09:13:55] <e^ipi> that is, anything you say in court while you are testifying cannot be used as evidence against you[09:15:09] <e^ipi> not sure how that would jive with passwords[09:15:41] <oninoshiko> That is a district court, it needs to be challanged to the next level up.[09:19:13] <palowoda> Bet this one goes all the way up to the SC.[09:21:22] <e^ipi> you don't think that one of the courts inbetween will overturn it and the SC won't want to hear it?[09:24:27] *** cypromis has quit IRC[09:24:37] <oninoshiko> as long as the result is right at the end....[09:24:51] <palowoda> Most likely procedural matters are not going to be the mitigating factor. But I'm not a lawyer. I guess we will find out.[09:27:26] <oninoshiko> If that's the case I think it is, there enough to get a conviction without it.[09:27:39] <oninoshiko> (hopefully)[09:28:04] <palowoda> Beyond a reasonable doubt?[09:28:10] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[09:28:46] *** e-jat has quit IRC[09:28:53] <oninoshiko> palowoda: that's the only kind[09:30:23] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[09:33:02] <palowoda> oninoshiko: Than you support plausable deniability?[09:33:39] <oninoshiko> i beleave there were multiple wiitnesses as to a little of the content of the drive.[09:34:10] <palowoda> Not the answer to the question.[09:35:23] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC[09:36:34] <oninoshiko> and yes, if you have a explination that does fit, you sould have the presumption of innocence.[09:36:56] <oninoshiko> if it is resonable[09:37:20] <palowoda> Err guilty before innocence?[09:37:49] <oninoshiko> hrm?[09:39:25] <palowoda> I just asked you if you agreed to a type of encryption method that could *not* be used in this specific case. Weither you argree with the idea is up to you.[09:39:29] <asyd> sfbay.sun.com is something only reachable by sun's employee?[09:39:47] <palowoda> asyd: That is obvious.[09:40:44] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[09:42:26] <oninoshiko> palowoda: No, no you didn't, and im not sure i understand that you mean[09:42:40] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[09:43:32] <asyd> palowoda: ah, ok :)[09:43:41] <asyd> too bad there are some private links from wikis.sun.com[09:43:41] <palowoda> oninoshiko: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability#Use_in_cryptography[09:43:58] <palowoda> aysd: Sun is protecting you from a bad acid trip.[09:44:04] <asyd> huhu[09:44:31] <oenone> how useful is this "Solaris Internals" book?[09:44:40] <palowoda> It's the bible.[09:44:42] <e^ipi> oenone: do you want to know the internals of solaris?[09:44:51] <e^ipi> perhaps you want to hack at the kernel or similar?[09:45:02] <oninoshiko> palowoda: ahh. "steganography"[09:45:02] <oenone> yeah :D[09:45:20] <oenone> palowoda: there's the "OpenSolaris Bible", too..[09:45:44] <palowoda> Solaris Interals really is the true solaris bible.[09:45:49] <asyd> +1[09:45:49] <e^ipi> oenone: if you want to know the nitty-gritty about the kernel algorithms and data structures, then read S:I[09:45:52] <e^ipi> it's a good book[09:45:56] <trochej> +1[09:45:58] <palowoda> Actually they have a great website too.[09:46:02] <oenone> thanks[09:46:04] <oninoshiko> It's a really good technique if you have something to hide[09:46:21] <e^ipi> if you don't plan on hacking kernel code, or don't think that you can derive value from knowing how to, don't bother[09:46:44] <palowoda> oninoshiko: The idea is that even though encryption may exist, it may not.[09:46:48] <oenone> i'll try to find it in a library or book store, to have a short look into it[09:47:03] <trochej> e^ipi: I still believe S:I to be valuable for adminstrator[09:47:11] <e^ipi> a sufficiently large chapters should have it[09:47:18] <e^ipi> or whatever the american equivalent to chapters is[09:47:49] <palowoda> e^ipi: I just feel sorry you have to pay so much tax on books.[09:47:51] *** cypromis has quit IRC[09:47:57] <e^ipi> palowoda: we do?[09:48:11] <palowoda> canada book prices?[09:48:19] <e^ipi> publishers are pretty dick-ish about not lowering the price for the exchange rate[09:48:28] <e^ipi> but i don't think taxes play in to it too much[09:48:49] <oninoshiko> well yes, or do have multiple keys wich generate a benign message or the one you want to hide[09:49:00] <e^ipi> since the lowball average exchange rate over the last couple years taken in to account, prices are pretty similar[09:49:04] <palowoda> Crap every time I see the CAN book prices I have a heart attack.[09:49:15] <e^ipi> palowoda: yeah, i blame the publishers[09:49:27] <e^ipi> when i'm close enough to i usually book shop in the states[09:49:41] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[09:49:46] <e^ipi> if taxes were the issue customs'd make me pay the difference but they never do[09:50:39] <palowoda> humph, I thought the can dollar was up on par with US lately. But I haven't checked.[09:51:12] <e^ipi> it is...[09:51:24] <e^ipi> some companies have decided that it's more profitable to not readjust pricing[09:51:27] <oninoshiko> they could be not adjusting for the changes in price, pocket it a profit[09:51:57] <e^ipi> since books are held under intellectual property, there's no competitive incentive to lower them[09:52:17] <oninoshiko> and the mouse keeps them under lock and key[09:52:25] <palowoda> Some kind of funny economics than.[09:52:44] <e^ipi> palowoda: economics of scarcity works... economics of surplus rarely does[09:53:12] <oninoshiko> palowoda: nothing funny about it. a book publisher has a monopoly on that text.[09:53:56] <e^ipi> and damned if they aren't gonna use it[09:54:16] <oninoshiko> dont even get me started on it...[09:54:18] <palowoda> Where does one learn about trade and economics? :)[09:54:46] <palowoda> The place where they screw you on the books.[09:55:00] <oninoshiko> either collage, or "the school of hard knocks"[09:55:21] <palowoda> They rape the collage students on books.[09:55:27] <oninoshiko> i know[09:55:54] <oninoshiko> i have a self full of the better ones[09:56:02] <oninoshiko> shelf*[09:56:24] <oninoshiko> unfotunately i dont have "how to type well at 0355"[09:56:36] <palowoda> And the publishers have nothing to do with the profs.[09:56:42] <oninoshiko> speaking of which, i think i need to head to bed[09:56:55] <ddosia> does anybody know how to make your own mirror of some repository, like http://pkg.opensolaris.org/release/ ?[09:57:32] <e^ipi> palowoda: there are, here at least, 3 publishers of college textbooks. pearson, mcgraw/hill and addison/wesely[09:57:35] <e^ipi> they all price gouge[09:57:53] <e^ipi> last expensive book i bought was an 'intro to databases' textbook... $180[09:58:08] <e^ipi> now i may or may not find bittorrents of them[09:58:10] <palowoda> ddosia: Yeah a couple of blogs have discribed how to make a mirror of the opensolaris distribution.[09:58:17] <oninoshiko> depends on the collage. I've seen a number of profs for whom a substantal portion of their income is from the sale of the manitory textbook, which (strangely enough) they happen to be listed as an author of.[09:58:44] <palowoda> You know a true mirror of opensolaris packages is not obtainable.[09:59:03] <palowoda> Well I certain person figured out how to get the metadata.[09:59:04] <e^ipi> yet[09:59:09] <ddosia> palowoda: found a discription of application/pkg/server , but how to sync package-tree...[09:59:37] <palowoda> That person was told not to talk about the procedure anylonger.[09:59:42] *** CyberBlue has joined #opensolaris[09:59:43] <palowoda> any longer.[09:59:47] <ddosia> why?[10:00:03] <palowoda> Because it gives you a true mirror.[10:00:29] <palowoda> Go ahead make a mirror and disconnect from the internet.[10:00:39] <palowoda> You need the metadata.[10:00:57] <ddosia> yes, how can i get ir?[10:01:00] <ddosia> *it[10:01:08] <sickness> is it just me or the w3m included in opensolaris constantly gives segmentation fault?[10:01:29] <palowoda> It's actually documented on the opensolaris.org site. But I forgot where.[10:01:38] <palowoda> I just found it amuzing.[10:01:59] <oninoshiko> but seriously, good night/day/whatever[10:02:12] <palowoda> later..[10:02:28] *** ken has quit IRC[10:03:55] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[10:03:57] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[10:06:09] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris[10:07:29] <LouisJB_> I'm booting from the 2008.11 iso in virtual box on a mac and it's been stuck at the SunOS Release5.11 ... notice for quite a while, it's been a while since I last installed it, this can be normal?[10:08:24] <palowoda> sickness: w3m seems to be working with build 105 sxce.[10:09:11] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[10:10:00] <palowoda> LouisJB_: Does it boot without virtual box?[10:10:34] <LouisJB_> hmmm I've not tried that in fact, just wanted to install in under vb[10:10:50] <LouisJB_> it's keeping the cpu busy, so it's probably doing something I guess[10:10:54] <palowoda> Well it's a live cd.[10:11:09] <LouisJB_> just wondering if it normally takes a while at that stage[10:11:42] <LouisJB_> it "should" boot as a live cd, I presume it would, mac's are supported arn't they?[10:11:56] <palowoda> it does?[10:12:12] <sickness> palowoda: I'm in 2009.04 based on 107[10:12:25] <e^ipi> LouisJB_: probably need to give the virtual machine more ram[10:12:31] <e^ipi> sickness: ENOEXIST[10:12:38] <sickness> e^ipi: ?[10:13:00] <e^ipi> sickness: 2008.11's subsequent release is 2009.06, and is based on build 111[10:13:10] <palowoda> sickness: Well maybe something got screwed up from 105->107.[10:13:12] <e^ipi> upgrading 2008.11 to build 107 doesn't yield a later release[10:13:22] <e^ipi> just an updated build[10:13:25] <sickness> e^ipi: ok so I'll rephrase that, I've an opensolaris iso that if I do uname it gives me snv_107[10:13:47] <sickness> e^ipi: I didn't update, I've just downloaded an iso from genunix.org and installed it[10:13:59] <sickness> e^ipi: and that iso is called 2009.06 and is based on 107[10:14:09] <palowoda> sickness: you could truss it.[10:14:14] <sickness> I know it's beta, I was just asking if some others experienced the same...[10:14:37] <sickness> http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0906-107-x86.iso[10:14:59] <e^ipi> genunix can respin an iso, that doesn't make it a beta of the real thing though[10:15:13] <palowoda> But indiana doesn't really change w3m.[10:15:41] <palowoda> It should fail on sxce too.[10:15:51] <sickness> I'll try on sxce too tnx[10:16:17] <sickness> so, let's change question, what about openvpn on opensolaris? is there someone that managed to make it work in TAP mode out there?[10:16:27] <palowoda> without sxce you can't have a valid indiana distribution.[10:16:45] <sickness> I'm not even able to make the tun/tap device show in ifconfig even if I install the kernel module :/ (and it appears to load correctly)[10:17:10] <palowoda> Yeah I did the TAP mode with virtual box for a couple of builds. Not needed any longer.[10:17:56] <sickness> palowoda: yeah, I know, now virtual box works great in tap mode, but it's embedded in a strange way because it works like a charm... but you don't even get to "see" the tap interface with ifconfig, how am I supposed to configure it for the openvpn daemon? :/[10:18:51] <palowoda> Can't help with the openvpn damon, haven't tried that one.[10:18:58] <palowoda> daemon.[10:20:07] <palowoda> Wait wouldn't you want the vpn on the main system not the virt?[10:20:40] <sickness> yeah I just want to connect to an openvpn server, between 2 "real" systems, no need to virt[10:20:40] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[10:23:22] <sickness> I'll try to follow this howto http://blogs.reucon.com/srt/2008/12/17/installing_openvpn_on_opensolaris_2008_11.html[10:23:52] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris[10:24:09] <palowoda> My fault, I had a brain fart and thought we where talking about TUN/TAP with VB.[10:25:02] <sickness> well tun/tap with vb it's somewhat inherent because I think it's like the same problem that the developers had to solve[10:25:17] <sickness> but instead of solving it "systemwide" I think it was just "nested" inside virtualbox :/[10:25:38] <sickness> in this way other apps which could have used tun/tap still have to be "adapted" to run on opensolaris :/[10:26:04] <palowoda> If I remember correct it was a guy from Japan that did the modes to tun/tap to get it to work as you describe with VB.[10:26:28] <sickness> I don't know[10:26:41] <palowoda> Yeah it was modified.[10:27:39] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[10:27:54] <sickness> but I know that on other oses, for example openbsd/linux, the tun/tap device is already here, integrated in the base os, wether you install the openvpn package or not, and when you install it, it just uses the device[10:28:09] <sickness> in win32, for example, the openvpn package installs also the win32 driver that "creates" the tap device[10:29:15] <sickness> so in solaris I've found that the os doesn't already provide the tun/tap, nor the openvpn packages, so I don't know if this is a chicken and egg problem on who should come up first with support, but as of now there's no simple way to use openvpn but rely on random howtos found on the net...[10:29:32] <palowoda> Hmm here is where I was getting the information: http://www.whiteboard.ne.jp/~admin2/tuntap/[10:29:51] <palowoda> Though it might not be related to your problem.[10:30:03] <saohh> is someone using compiz with open solaris build 109 the desktop effects can not be enabled, but hardware acceleration seems to be up.[10:30:22] <palowoda> compiz is broken in 109 fixed in 110.[10:30:45] <ddosia> hmmm, does 110 already released?[10:30:55] <palowoda> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6810224[10:31:10] <sickness> Posterdati: yeah that's related, I just don't know why this work isn't included in the os or in the openvpn package, that would make my life simpler :)[10:31:31] <palowoda> ddosia: look at the IRC channel title does it say 110?[10:32:19] <ddosia> =)[10:32:47] <saohh> so no way to fix it with some setting in my xorg.conf?[10:32:56] <palowoda> The guys and gals are good about updating the title as you enter the channel.[10:37:34] <palowoda> I think xorg.conf settings work every where except Germany. :)[10:41:05] <palowoda> saohh: Did the workaround in the bug id work?[10:41:58] <saohh> iam trying it ;)[10:42:34] <palowoda> It is the only compiz bug I've seen lately.[10:44:40] <saohh> yeah, really this fixed it[10:45:11] <palowoda> speaking of bugs, a tip. Go to bugster: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/ and in the Text Search: field enter "snv_110" and you will get all the fixes for that release.[10:45:14] <saohh> one word... "then" omg ;)[10:45:27] <saohh> thx for this hint[10:45:34] <palowoda> No problem.[10:46:07] <palowoda> Of coarse if you read all the bugs for a certain build it maybe some 200->300 fixes.[10:46:27] <palowoda> And sort by the date.[10:47:30] <palowoda> You really have to be bored and unemployeed to read all the bug reports.[10:48:12] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[10:48:18] <saohh> anyway i've migrated to solaris some days ago[10:49:13] <saohh> and my goal is to make it a desktop system, so my next goals were 3d (compiz) for amusing comfortable effects like this "mac os like" expose thing (window switching) and now iam at sound support then iam at wine ;)[10:50:18] *** luc^ has quit IRC[10:50:23] <saohh> meanwhile iam awaiting this "open solaris bible" and hope it would help me a lot, cause the well known commands from linux, where i come from, are mostly not avaiable[10:50:26] <palowoda> Sound support really depends on the type of sound hardware chip you have. Wine has been ported but it's in a very obscure archive.[10:50:30] <saohh> for example pfexec which i didnt know[10:50:33] *** domas has joined #opensolaris[10:50:35] *** e1kg has quit IRC[10:50:44] <palowoda> pfexec is similar to sudo.[10:50:48] <saohh> i want my creative labs x-fi get working[10:50:51] <saohh> i know (now) ;)[10:50:57] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[10:51:02] <saohh> so i tried this boomer beta[10:51:08] <palowoda> creative labs x-fi you might have to use boomer.[10:51:23] <domas> hello, #dtrace is very silent, so I would like to ask here. I want to do copyout() in dtrace (just to zero out some pointer in app), how do I get void*buf pointing to 0000 data within dtrace? :)[10:51:39] <saohh> didnt work here, but it was with 2008.11 (build 101b) now iam using 109 so you mean its worth installing it again?[10:51:39] <palowoda> Man I want x-fi. I have some Monsoon planer speakers on my solaris box.[10:51:48] <palowoda> planner[10:52:33] <saohh> under linux i thought: why could creative not build an alsa or pulse audio driver, now iam lucky, they only build an oss driver[10:52:52] <saohh> maybe this was planned like this to be able to support solaris and linux with one driver[10:53:15] <saohh> under the for linux depcrated open sound system[10:53:38] <palowoda> I guess Linux decided on alsa.[10:54:33] <saohh> yes ;) and this is much more multithreaded and up to date planned in its building[10:54:33] <palowoda> I've used OSS with AC97 on solaris it's nice.[10:54:46] <saohh> i hope boomer is something like alsa[10:55:04] <palowoda> It has much more capablity than the Sun drivers.[10:55:05] <saohh> i have an "onboard" 7.1 chip too alc889a or so[10:55:09] <palowoda> Mixer and all.[10:55:35] <saohh> my chip is not supported, by sun audio[10:56:02] <palowoda> I thing the boomer project is a about 1 or 2 months away from getting integrated into the OS.[10:56:23] <saohh> but i have a creative labs sound blaster 5.1 and a LIVE! and another one AWE32 those are all supported, but since i got my x-fi which has a better sound processor i try it first[10:56:42] <saohh> i hope it is already in 2009.06 then i would love it ;)[10:56:54] <saohh> maybe wine too ;) then i got all i want unter os[10:56:59] <palowoda> It will be integrated in SXCE first.[10:57:40] <saohh> but this sxce is really fresh isnt it? i use it as a productive "called it so" system, since my wife uses it[10:58:01] <saohh> for her its the same system as before under my debian, gentoo, lfs, suse and ubuntu[10:58:09] <saohh> always gnome ;)[10:58:11] <palowoda> Well yes. But it only takes a couple of weeks to get it into opensolaris.[10:58:20] <palowoda> No big deal.[10:58:50] *** mega has joined #opensolaris[10:59:01] *** mega has quit IRC[10:59:01] <saohh> it seems so, thats why i bought this open solaris bible i thing its a good reference and starting point, i need something to read, those internet howtos and guides driving me crazy[10:59:07] <palowoda> Watch the http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=202 list.[10:59:15] <saohh> think rofl[11:00:18] <saohh> is there a device list which ones boomer supports?[11:00:35] <palowoda> It's on the 4front.com site.[11:00:44] <saohh> its only written, it supports all sunaudio devices and the whole api of oss[11:01:08] <palowoda> http://www.opensound.com/[11:01:28] <saohh> yeah i know but i meaned boomer[11:01:41] <saohh> or is boomer having "oss included" ?[11:01:51] <palowoda> boomer is OSS[11:02:10] <saohh> so i need to install oss and then this boomer beta? or just boomer?[11:02:18] <saohh> sry for asking stupid (maybe) questions[11:02:45] <palowoda> You can install boomer beta. It's really OSS. Sun and 4Front are working together on the project.[11:02:58] <saohh> well then i retry it[11:03:30] <palowoda> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/opensound/files/[11:03:45] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[11:04:12] <palowoda> If you have problems post them to: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=202[11:04:30] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[11:04:56] <palowoda> or: http://www.4front-tech.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4[11:05:43] <saohh> i would paste them to opensolaris.org/jive/forum[11:06:12] <saohh> but where are all those oss drivers, are they included in this 3mb package? i dont find those files[11:07:08] <palowoda> Should be. OSS drivers should be common. But you can ask that question on both of those forums I mentioned. The engineers working on hang out there.[11:07:26] *** gnb_ has joined #opensolaris[11:08:18] <saohh> ok, then i reinstall boomer, and take a look again, maybe the change from 101b to 109 makes it work now, but last thing i remember is i had no x-fi device after installing it[11:08:32] <saohh> whatever, since its easy to deinstall i give it a try again[11:09:13] <palowoda> If x-fi is not there than Creative is not willing to give the specs out in order to write the driver I suspect.[11:10:05] <saohh> this would be fitting in their image i know from linux community they all (like me) were really sad about the driver development from creative[11:10:22] <saohh> they long time had no driver for linux nor for vista -.-[11:10:40] <palowoda> Yeah broadcom is another one for not being open with there wireless drivers.[11:11:16] <saohh> for my x-fi plus some guys sometimes came and said: i got an x-fi working under linux, but what they didnt know it was the cheap version of x-fi gamer thing its called, which uses no x-fi chip, only creative audigy one ;)[11:11:22] <saohh> so it worked ...[11:12:04] <saohh> i all the time then searched under driver of kernel. org or in a kernel compiling or under www.tuxhardware.com for compatibility[11:12:19] <saohh> and didnt use anything else cause i want a native thing[11:12:43] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[11:12:44] <saohh> not those stuff for example ndis-wrapper, which is making it easy to use windows lan drivers under linux[11:12:58] <saohh> but some a good price of security and not having native support[11:12:59] <palowoda> Some hardware OEM's are just stubborn.[11:13:18] <gnb_> hm, i have a (binary) kernel module which seems to call cv_timedwait_sig() in a loop -- with a timeout value that is _way_ too low; i was wondering if i could either a) change the timeout value using dtrace or b) "sleep" in a dtrace probe[11:13:22] <palowoda> ndis drivers are just a pain in the ass.[11:13:33] <gnb_> been fighting with the driver devs for >1 week now and they haven't even acknowledged the problem[11:14:33] <palowoda> gnb_: You wanted to build your own kernel right?[11:14:41] <saohh> me?[11:14:52] <palowoda> no gnb_[11:15:04] <gnb_> no, not really, just trying to fix some issue with a kernel module[11:15:11] <gnb_> which i unfortunatelly do not have the source for[11:15:58] <palowoda> gnb_: Interesting who doesn't want to give thier source for a simple kernel module?[11:16:16] <palowoda> It's about being open right?[11:16:44] <gnb_> well, it's some 3ware driver thingie, and i have no clue why they don't just open-source it[11:17:21] <palowoda> Oh brother, so we have Creative, Broadcom and 3ware being open source idiots.[11:17:31] *** cypromis has quit IRC[11:17:39] <x58> Broadcom has been doing it how long now?[11:17:55] <palowoda> As longs as 3ware and Creative.[11:18:04] <saohh> creative is a pain[11:18:15] <x58> Their products are not worth the money.[11:18:20] <saohh> they do drivers that support hardware surrounding by software emulation[11:18:26] <palowoda> We should just start a list of Bozo OEM's.[11:18:27] <codestr0m> ooooh. so shiny. .I just realized that the Dell M4400 can come with a Quad QX9300[11:18:50] <saohh> while i bought the x-fi music chip, cause of its excellent hardware 0 prozessor usage sound chip[11:18:53] <saohh> my ass ^^[11:19:07] <gnb_> http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=32t <- 11 million cv_timedwait_sig() calls in just about 7 seconds[11:19:24] <x58> gnb_: I believe that with dtrace you can change values[11:19:48] <gnb_> x58: i can't seem to change function arguments though[11:21:35] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[11:26:47] *** rastal has quit IRC[11:27:30] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[11:29:30] <LouisJB_> hi, is there a new OS 2009 release coming out?[11:30:20] *** Gekz has quit IRC[11:30:26] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[11:32:23] <LouisJB_> for anyone interested I got 2008.11 installing under virtualbox on macosx - I had to disable VT-x then it started working...[11:35:04] <trochej> Thnx[11:36:19] <LouisJB_> anyone know why I had to do that to get it to work?[11:36:43] <x58> Cuase VirtualBox is buggy as shit?[11:37:39] <LouisJB_> heh[11:37:41] <x58> I love my OpenSolaris home file server, but there is one thing that I really miss and that is VMWare support. VirtualBox just does not cut it.[11:37:58] <LouisJB_> vmware support? how do you mean[11:38:27] <LouisJB_> I run opensolaris under vmware 2 at home, but I wanted something on my macbook for when I'm on the move[11:39:12] <LouisJB_> and I'd tried opensolaris under virtbox before on a windows platform and it "seemed ok" at the time[11:39:27] <x58> LouisJB_: I meant that there is no VMWare that runs on top of ON[11:39:35] <x58> to allow me to virtualise other OS's.[11:40:14] <LouisJB_> ON - is a flavour of opensolaris? (excuse my ignorance :) )[11:40:30] <x58> ON == OpenSolaris.[11:40:54] <LouisJB_> ok :) - I thought you could run linux etc under zones/containers or something like that[11:41:48] <LouisJB_> my home ON is a vmware guest under centos 64 - the linux host is just a shim to get the machine running for me, I like to virtualise so i can clone and snapshot etc[11:41:49] <x58> You can run Linux in a branded zone, basically enabling an translation layer that translates linux syscalls into Solaris ones.[11:42:10] <LouisJB_> is there no Xen or anything like that available then?[11:42:34] <x58> Not sure. Have not looked into it much further.[11:43:59] <LouisJB_> well, I'll see how I get on with ON under VB -> it's for development, not production servers :)[11:43:59] <x58> From a quick google OpenSolaris can only run as a DomU and not Dom0.[11:44:21] <LouisJB_> Dom0 - is that a zone?[11:45:10] <x58> That is Xen terminology.[11:45:31] <LouisJB_> I see[11:46:16] <|woody|> OpenSolaris runs as both[11:46:19] <LouisJB_> do you know when the next release of ON is due. I'm currently installing 2008.11[11:46:34] <|woody|> http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/opensolaris_2008_11_as_a1[11:46:52] <x58> |woody|: Good to know :D[11:47:17] <LouisJB_> Dom0 means guest rather than host I take it[11:48:11] <|woody|> Dom0 is host[11:48:46] <|woody|> so you can run other stuff like linux windows etc as DomU[11:49:41] <LouisJB_> ahhh I see, so that's ON with Xen Dom0 enabled to run other OSes as guest ,that could be quite useful indeed - I might try that out sometime[11:51:51] <|woody|> next OpenSolaris realse is 2009.06 so will be out around end of june[11:53:35] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[11:54:00] *** mdupreejr has joined #opensolaris[11:54:02] <mdupreejr> hello world[11:54:03] <LouisJB_> |woody|: thanks, presumably I can keep "image-updating" to keep up to date with the latest and greatest[11:54:09] <mdupreejr> i'm having trouble getting nxserver to run[11:54:22] <mdupreejr> i'm using the freenx contest entry from -> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/awards_land/Entries/[11:54:43] <mdupreejr> only problem is that i'm not sure it'll run 64bit... in the README it says, "WORKS IN: Nevada b90, x86, 32bit.[11:54:47] <|woody|> LouisJB_ yes thats the way to go[11:54:51] <mdupreejr> And i'm running 109 64bit.[11:55:11] *** Tusk21 has joined #opensolaris[11:55:18] <Tusk21> hey there[11:56:15] *** saohh has quit IRC[11:57:54] <mdupreejr> Anybody using nx on opensolaris x86 64bit?[11:59:43] <LouisJB_> |woody| thanks[12:01:51] <Tusk21> anyone using pkgsrc and able to compile x264 ?[12:02:40] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[12:02:47] <mdupreejr> bahhh never mind i got it to work[12:02:57] <mdupreejr> and Tusk21, i ahven't bene able to get x264 working completely yet[12:03:01] <mdupreejr> but i'm no expert[12:03:10] <_setuid_H> afternoon all[12:03:15] <mdupreejr> hello setuid[12:03:31] *** dunc has quit IRC[12:04:08] <cypromis> tusk21: I just saw a commit to spec-files-extra with an update for libx364[12:04:15] <cypromis> libx264 even[12:06:11] <Tusk21> yeah the problem is that to get mplayer built in pkgsrc i need to compile x264[12:06:34] <Tusk21> laking x264 support in mplayer is harsh[12:09:08] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC[12:09:09] <cypromis> use the spec-files-extra version[12:09:42] <Tusk21> just won't work with pkgsrc[12:10:50] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[12:12:08] <Tusk21> ld: fatal: relocations remain against allocatable but non-writable sections[12:12:27] <Tusk21> maybe that's not directly from x264 but from my setup[12:12:40] <Tusk21> any idea ?[12:12:58] *** fredg has joined #opensolaris[12:13:04] <LouisJB_> ahah now 2008.11 works under macosx virtual box at last[12:13:20] *** fredg has left #opensolaris[12:15:59] <xy|ox> can i install opensolaris with xfce desktop?[12:17:29] <cypromis> LouisJB_, it always did[12:19:17] *** hohum has quit IRC[12:19:49] <Posterdati> hi[12:20:57] *** ken has quit IRC[12:22:54] <LouisJB_> cypromis: not always for me unfortunately, it was hanging[12:26:44] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris[12:28:11] *** mdupreejr has quit IRC[12:30:36] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[12:30:58] <SYS64738> anyone who is using ntp to make clients synced ?[12:32:25] <CosmicDJ> yep[12:32:47] <domas> who is not?!![12:33:56] <SYS64738> why mine isn't answering ?[12:34:06] <SYS64738> localhost: timed out, nothing received[12:34:21] <CosmicDJ> which command?[12:34:31] <SYS64738> ntpq -pn[12:35:17] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[12:35:25] <CosmicDJ> svcs ntp shows?[12:35:40] <SYS64738> online 18:55:41 svc:/network/ntp:default[12:36:01] <CosmicDJ> try xntpdc -p[12:36:37] <SYS64738> same error[12:37:05] <CosmicDJ> /etc/inet/ntp.conf is correct?[12:37:05] <SYS64738> my conf is this: http://rafb.net/p/nnsXPk33.html[12:37:59] <CosmicDJ> I'd comment out the first 2 lines[12:39:31] <SYS64738> I don't understand why it doesn't answer either from localhost[12:40:04] <SYS64738> could be a broadcast problem ?[12:40:14] *** aramdune has joined #opensolaris[12:41:12] <CosmicDJ> no, this broadcast is only used by other ntp clients[12:42:02] <SYS64738> how can debug this situation ?[12:42:17] <CosmicDJ> I'd start with cleaning up your config file[12:42:32] <SYS64738> I commented out the first two raw[12:42:53] <SYS64738> disable,refresh,enable ntp[12:42:57] <SYS64738> but the same happens[12:43:44] <SYS64738> from netstat I can see this: 127.0.0.1.47293 127.0.0.1.123 Connected[12:43:49] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[12:45:18] *** stewart has quit IRC[12:45:22] <CosmicDJ> you could start xntpd from your shell with debug info turned on, see the xntpd manpage for details[12:45:35] <SYS64738> thanks[12:46:15] <LouisJB_> anyone using virtual box with opensolaris guess managed to get the "Auto resize guest display" feature to work (Host+G)[12:46:28] <LouisJB_> s/guess/guest[12:46:39] *** petrucci has joined #opensolaris[12:46:51] <petrucci> ahh good[12:47:09] <petrucci> ips 109 that' sound well[12:50:05] *** tamr has joined 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<dustman> bye[13:00:11] *** dustman has quit IRC[13:00:19] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[13:00:29] *** CyberBlue has quit IRC[13:00:31] <tsoome> afaik solaris uses terminfo;)[13:00:44] <SYS64738> ops, I think I broke something: -bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable[13:00:58] <tsoome> you are out of memory[13:01:31] <CosmicDJ> SYS64738: http://pastebin.com/m1f33af43[13:01:54] <SYS64738> CosmicDJ, thanks[13:02:06] <CosmicDJ> SYS64738: did you disable the svc ntp instance?[13:02:17] <SYS64738> yes[13:02:35] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[13:02:52] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[13:02:58] <CosmicDJ> and your line to start xntpd from shell looks like?[13:02:58] <SYS64738> the server is out of control[13:03:13] <SYS64738> root@fantaman:~# ls[13:04:03] <SYS64738> I noticed last week that the server started with the xvm kernel only after 5 or 6 powerup and powerdown[13:04:16] <SYS64738> I think that I have broken ram[13:04:57] *** Odin- has quit IRC[13:05:13] <bda> Or no swap.[13:05:24] <tsoome> being out of memory doesnt mean you have broken ram;([13:05:51] <SYS64738> but the system that hangs during boot yes[13:06:06] <tsoome> ah, ok thats another issue ofc[13:06:06] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[13:06:08] <CosmicDJ> yeah, I'd expect a kernel panic instead of a fork warning when ram is broken ;)([13:06:39] <syd`_> that's not out of memory, you hit nproc limit[13:06:56] <syd`_> check with sar -v[13:07:14] <SYS64738> I think I am plenty of zombies[13:07:44] <SYS64738> syd`_, every command exit with -bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable, also sar -v[13:08:31] <SYS64738> I think that this is the right time to have lunch[13:08:39] <syd`_> eheh[13:08:43] <SYS64738> ciao to all :)[13:09:24] <CosmicDJ> my proc-sz is 30k here... must be a lot of zombies[13:12:16] <CosmicDJ> freshmeat.net got a facelift[13:13:56] <tsoome> zombies gont take your memory, they fill process table[13:14:00] <tsoome> wont*[13:14:03] <hrist> yah was available for a closed usergroup under freshmeat3.et CosmicDJ[13:14:25] <hrist> *net[13:19:53] *** prdelka has quit IRC[13:20:10] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[13:21:22] <Pietro_S> nice warning:[13:21:25] <Pietro_S> compiler(iropt) warning: procedure void game_config::load_config(const config*) optimization level is lowered to -O2 due to complexity[13:21:33] <Pietro_S> ;-)[13:21:56] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris[13:22:31] <tsoome> better optimization failed:D[13:23:16] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[13:24:00] *** Traveler8 has joined #opensolaris[13:24:23] *** js has joined #opensolaris[13:24:30] *** Traveler8 has quit IRC[13:24:39] <js> hi. is it possible that opensolaris can't boot from an S-ATA CD-ROM drive on an Intel ICH8?[13:25:06] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[13:25:52] <CosmicDJ> everything is possible on x86 ;)[13:26:05] <js> it's telling me it remounts in r/w (wtf? a cd in rw?)[13:26:12] <js> and then it enters maintenance mode[13:28:43] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[13:28:51] <js> Remounting root read/write[13:28:57] <js> Probing for device nodes ...[13:29:00] <js> Preparing live image for use[13:29:05] <js> Requesting System Maintenance Mode[13:29:08] <js> is what I get[13:29:12] <js> no debug output at all[13:29:26] <js> and not even dmesg[13:29:31] <js> after I enter maintenance mode[13:29:38] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[13:29:42] <LouisJB_> can someone please remind me of the file to change to get OpenSolaris updates from dev rather than release?[13:29:53] <js> /var/log/syslog is empty[13:30:50] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[13:31:15] <Pietro_S> LouisJB_: no file, you just need to change authority, by pkg set-authority -P http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/[13:31:27] <js> any way to debug why it's failing?[13:31:45] <flyingparchment> js: why do you think the sata cd-rom is the problem?[13:31:58] <js> flyingparchment: it looks like it trys to mount the CD and then can't find it[13:32:08] <Pietro_S> LouisJB_: what I do also is that I delete release authority, to speed up searching and things like that[13:33:35] <LouisJB_> Pietro_S: thanks, know I just about remember, I need to use -O first to define the new authority I think?[13:34:10] <js> Console login service(s) cannot run[13:34:10] <js> hmm[13:34:11] <Pietro_S> LouisJB_: yeah ;-)[13:34:15] <LouisJB_> that seems to have done the trick[13:34:17] <LouisJB_> :)[13:34:25] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[13:34:50] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[13:37:14] *** aramdune has left #opensolaris[13:43:21] *** lesterc_ has joined #opensolaris[13:43:53] *** lesterc_ has quit IRC[13:48:18] <js> hmm[13:48:31] <js> adding -k or -v to the boot options doesn't help too much[13:49:53] *** bsdbandit has quit IRC[13:50:03] *** bsdbandit has joined #opensolaris[13:54:39] *** CrayT3E has joined #opensolaris[13:58:24] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[14:01:36] *** lesterc has quit IRC[14:04:56] <LouisJB_> my opensolaris install under virtualbox on a 64bit macbook has come out as 32bit :s - will I be able to change that after installation (not sure why it's only 32bit)[14:05:22] <Stric> it's 32 during install[14:05:32] *** ddosia has quit IRC[14:05:37] <Stric> probably for space reasons.. but will have both 32 and 64bit support after installed[14:06:01] <Stric> and will boot 64 if your machine (virtualbox that is) seems to be 64bit capable[14:06:13] <Tusk21> for some reason[14:06:24] <Tusk21> my machine is 64b capable but still boots 32b[14:06:34] <Tusk21> thus i can generate 64b binaries[14:06:52] <LouisJB_> I've booted after install and isainfo -b reports 32[14:07:06] <LouisJB_> I'm just doing pkg image-update at the moment[14:07:18] <Stric> LouisJB_: Did you tell VirtualBox to do a 64bit vm?[14:07:35] <LouisJB_> Stric: yes, I shall just check though[14:07:55] <LouisJB_> under OS type in virtbox it says 64bit[14:08:16] <Tusk21> Stric: that's exactly the same on my physical machine[14:09:28] <LouisJB_> I did disable VT-x though, since it seemed to be hanging on live boot (but that shouldn't stop 64bit though right, just disable virtualisation extensions?)[14:09:33] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[14:09:47] <Stric> try changing in grub.. replace $ISADIR (which should be autodetected) to amd64[14:10:10] <Tusk21> oh[14:10:20] <Stric> that is, boot up to grub, hit e to edit.. then change .../$ISADIR/... to .../amd64/...[14:10:43] <Tusk21> yeah i see[14:10:51] <Tusk21> just didn't think of it[14:12:06] <LouisJB_> ahhh thanks for the tip :)[14:12:20] <LouisJB_> I'm going out now, will try when I get back, hopefully that will fix it[14:12:22] <Stric> LouisJB_: I think the 64bit mode of virtualbox requires that you enable VT-X/..[14:12:29] <LouisJB_> oh![14:12:42] <Stric> not 100% sure though.. but might be something to check[14:12:54] <LouisJB_> maybe I can re-enable it now, I'll wait for the image-update to complete and see what happens when I re-enable it too[14:12:57] <LouisJB_> thanks for the advice[14:12:58] <Tusk21> btw i'm fighting with pkgsrc :D[14:13:02] <LouisJB_> bfn[14:14:16] *** ddosia has joined #opensolaris[14:23:11] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[14:24:08] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[14:24:55] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[14:25:01] <gretel> g'day[14:25:26] <gretel> i've started with the rge driver to drive the ethernet port on my new NAS[14:25:38] <gretel> then i've switch to gani as i've read from performance issues with rge[14:25:57] <gretel> i haven't done any measurements, but actually rge feels faster[14:26:23] <gretel> any benchmarks? experiences?[14:29:26] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[14:31:50] *** ravv has quit IRC[14:32:12] <trichobezoar> you're the one with the cards. seems as if you may be able to help ;P[14:32:13] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[14:32:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[14:34:03] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[14:36:31] <gretel> trichobezoar: of course, just wanted to get sure i'm not wasting my time[14:36:54] <trichobezoar> Where did you read about the performance issues with rge?[14:37:29] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC[14:38:03] <gretel> But the rge driver has serious performance problems - which makes it almost impossible to use the System as a NAS.[14:38:03] <gretel> http://schlaepfer.nine.ch/twiki/bin/view/Schlaepfer/SelfMadeNas2[14:39:15] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[14:43:34] *** Tusk21 has quit IRC[14:44:27] <CosmicDJ> I'd say you still have to do your own benchmark, also he's using nexenta[14:47:07] <ddosia> i read pkg`s manual and found such thing: uninstall [-nrvq] [--no-index] pkg_fmri ...[14:47:07] <ddosia> ... With the -n option, execute the requested operation but make no persistent changes to the image...[14:47:11] <ddosia> what does it mean?[14:48:32] *** ken has quit IRC[14:49:03] <trichobezoar> Sounds like a bad way to word dry run[14:51:44] <Stric> ddosia: "see what will happen, but don't do it"[14:52:00] <ddosia> ohhh... good[14:53:47] <gretel> ZFS is amazing[14:54:34] <ddosia> gretel: yes it is :-)[14:54:35] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[14:54:38] <gretel> pulled a drive off they bay without any grace while copying files from a client on 1gbps[14:54:58] <gretel> pushed it back in, pfexec zpool status -x[14:55:03] <gretel> done[14:55:11] <gretel> zraid2, 3 drives, 1tb each[14:55:53] <gretel> well and "set sata:sata_auto_online=1" in /etc/system[14:55:54] <Stric> are you using raidz2 with 3 drives? you know that will be the same, but slower than a 3-way mirror..[14:56:12] <gretel> it is so slow[14:56:24] <gretel> but due to a PCI SATA controller which caps at 60mb/s[14:56:45] <Stric> still, if you need that kind of redundancy, use a 3 way mirror[14:57:10] <gretel> but i will loose capacity then[14:57:31] <Stric> are you sure it's raidz2 and not raidz1?[14:57:38] <CosmicDJ> how big is your pool now?[14:57:43] <Stric> if raidz2 and 3 drives, then you can store data worth of 1 disk[14:57:55] <Stric> you're using 2 disks to parity, but in a slower way than a 3 way mirror[14:58:12] <Stric> and any 2 disks can blow up and you still have all your data[14:59:05] <gretel> yes[14:59:25] <Stric> gretel: post the output from 'zpool status' , 'zpool list' and 'zfs list' to the clipboard in /topic[15:00:04] <Stric> a raidz2 with 3 disks and a 3 way mirror can store the same amount of data, but raidz2 will be slower and you can't boot from it.[15:01:07] *** kate21de has quit IRC[15:05:27] *** OpenBuntu has joined #opensolaris[15:09:52] *** DomiX has left #opensolaris[15:12:01] *** colyte_ has joined #opensolaris[15:12:43] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[15:14:18] <js> hmm[15:14:26] <js> it doesn't even boot in vmware[15:14:32] <js> crashes even earlier than on the real hw[15:14:50] <js> should opensolaris work with vmware or is my cd maybe broken?[15:15:14] <Stric> it works in virtualbox at least.. no idea about vmware[15:15:26] <Stric> if using vmware, try an iso instead of a real cd[15:15:36] <Stric> hw sucks.[15:15:49] <js> hw sucks, sw sucks, everything sucks :([15:15:55] <js> technology sucks[15:15:58] <trochej> sucking sucks[15:16:08] <tsoome> what technology?:P[15:16:30] <trochej> sucking technology[15:17:18] <js> nice, the ISO works[15:17:38] <Stric> put cd in the circular archive[15:18:29] <js> I should have grabbed one of the original CDs when I was at FOSDEM :)[15:18:46] <tsoome> i avoid real cd/dvd like a plague:([15:19:02] <js> you should also avoid harddisks then :D[15:19:03] <js> and flash :D[15:19:04] <tsoome> almost as unreliable as floppyes[15:19:47] *** colyte has quit IRC[15:19:56] *** colyte_ is now known as colyte[15:19:58] <tsoome> harddisks do work still.[15:20:06] <tsoome> in most timesD:[15:20:29] <js> they are known to crash as well :þ[15:20:38] <tsoome> yep[15:21:08] <js> no gcc on live cd :([15:21:21] <tsoome> and yet you succeeded with ISO and not with cd;)[15:21:22] <Stric> tsoome: we just lost 2 of those seagate 1T disks due to firmware crap[15:21:39] <js> Stric: that was fixable[15:21:41] <tsoome> Stric: indeed[15:21:52] <js> if you had one of those[15:22:01] <js> you shouldn't have rebooted until you updated the fw :)[15:22:22] <tsoome> everything what falls into hands of this damn x86 industry, is doomed :P[15:22:38] <trochej> Dr. DOOM[15:22:41] <Stric> 2 out of 6 are "gone".. need to figure out how to upgrade the fw from a machine lacking cd and drives connected to a 3ware card[15:22:42] <trochej> sucks[15:22:52] <js> tsoome: agreed[15:22:55] <js> I still love PPC :)[15:23:00] <js> ARM is nice as well[15:23:18] *** Young has joined #opensolaris[15:23:23] <trochej> I'm nice[15:23:57] *** Young has quit IRC[15:24:57] <js> is there a gcc4 package for opensolaris?[15:25:22] <trichobezoar> pretty sure there is somewhere, not sure whether it was from blastwave or not though[15:26:46] <js> hm, what's the password if I want to use sudo on the live cd?[15:27:17] <trichobezoar> jack[15:27:21] <trichobezoar> pfexec su -[15:29:28] <gretel> ok, i'll post there as soon as i get to it[15:29:32] <gretel> chmod: invalid mode: `A=owner@:full_set:d:allow,owner@:full_set:f:allow,everyone@:rxaARWcs:d:allow,everyone@:raARWcs:f:allow'[15:29:37] <gretel> uh, why is that[15:29:49] <js> hm, too bad, installing packages on the live cd won't work :([15:30:03] <js> guess I should fetch another CD, burn it again and try to boot it on real hw :)[15:30:07] <Stric> gretel: which chmod? /usr/gnu/bin/chmod or /usr/bin/chmod ?[15:30:07] <js> then install on another HD[15:31:53] <gretel> Stric: thanks 10k[15:32:04] <Tusk2> isn't blastwave's packages a bit outdated?[15:33:22] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[15:34:10] <gretel> i got that impression yesterday[15:35:44] <Tusk2> xfce 4.2, mplayer from 2007 ....[15:36:47] *** joab has joined #opensolaris[15:37:23] <joab> Are there mirrors for IPS? I'm in Sweden and I'm getting really slow speeds.[15:38:19] *** domas has left #opensolaris[15:40:38] <gretel> Stric: http://pastealacon.com/2252[15:43:21] *** yernakulam has joined #opensolaris[15:44:23] <trichobezoar> js: there's like no space free which is probably why[15:46:37] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[15:46:41] *** tamr has quit IRC[15:47:39] <yernakulam> how can i install opensolaris2008.11 from live dvd[15:47:49] <trichobezoar> Click the Install link on the desktop[15:48:08] <yernakulam> i donit see any install link[15:48:12] <colyte> Seeing as pkgadd <name>.pkg doesnt work. What am I missing[15:48:21] <trichobezoar> pkgadd -d name.pkg[15:48:24] <flyingparchment> pkgadd -d whatever.pkg all[15:48:32] <colyte> thanks[15:50:52] <js> trichobezoar: I should have enough RAM :)[15:51:00] <trichobezoar> do a df[15:51:37] <js> it tells me it can't write[15:51:46] <js> that's somethin else than no space left on device ;)[15:52:30] *** yernakulam has left #opensolaris[15:52:41] <trichobezoar> Your patient is presenting with "Cant write" but the symptom could have multiple causes[15:54:45] <js> it looked more like it was write-protected ;)[15:59:11] <ddosia> does exists any repos , which provide a way to install mplayer and other useful apps, other than blastwave ?[16:03:29] <CosmicDJ> gretel: seems like strict was right, you have 3x 1TB disks and your raidz2 pool is 1 TB in size[16:04:37] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[16:05:30] <Tusk2> ddosia: i'm looking for it[16:05:39] <Tusk2> pkgsrc seems to me the best way[16:06:01] <ddosia> Tusk2: if you find with IPS, can you tell me about ?[16:06:15] <Tusk2> i didn't actually[16:06:17] <Tusk2> :D[16:06:34] <Tusk2> and can't build x264 to work with mplazer either[16:14:39] <Stric> gretel: as I said, you basically have a slow 3way mirror now for tank.[16:15:22] <Stric> gretel: you probably want raidz1, which will give you 2TB of storage and any 1 disk can fail without data loss[16:17:11] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[16:18:34] *** ken has quit IRC[16:19:53] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[16:20:25] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[16:23:17] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[16:23:19] *** devians_ has joined #opensolaris[16:28:45] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[16:28:51] *** bsdbandit has quit IRC[16:28:54] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[16:31:09] *** sponix has quit IRC[16:32:09] *** devians has quit IRC[16:36:40] <Tusk2> ddosia: you also have SFE[16:39:02] <ddosia> Tusk2: what is it SFE?[16:39:17] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[16:39:26] <Tusk2> 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ddosia: how to check what?[16:53:16] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[16:53:55] <ddosia> Tusk2: if i have SFE...[16:54:07] <Tusk2> you surely don't have it[16:54:22] <Tusk2> go on the site and follow documentation to install it[16:54:34] <GrizzlyAdams> looking at fmdump -eV it says vdev_path = /dev/disk/c2t0d0p2 for the pool in question, when its /dev/disk/c2t0d0p3 now[16:55:58] <GrizzlyAdams> there has to be a way to change vdev_path, otherwise you'd have problems with disks being moved to a new controller card if you had one fail[16:56:02] *** Tusk21 has joined #opensolaris[16:57:20] <ry-crt> debian screen -> solaris == bad temr[16:57:24] <ry-crt> term[16:58:20] <ry-crt> hrm, or maybe it's just debian :([16:59:01] <tsoome> what you mean by bad term=[16:59:17] <ry-crt> improper functioning under vm. when scrolling through file.[16:59:22] <ry-crt> er[16:59:24] <ry-crt> vi[16:59:27] <ry-crt> tired. at airport now :/[17:00:22] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris[17:00:31] <ry-crt> works fine on my debian lenny system, but looks like debian etch is a little fubared.[17:00:34] <tsoome> try another terminal type in TERM env[17:00:38] <ry-crt> yeah.[17:00:42] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[17:00:44] <ry-crt> might have to do vt100[17:00:47] <ry-crt> been trying xterm[17:01:01] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[17:01:56] <ry-crt> Hrmmm.[17:02:07] <ry-crt> I guess a "reconnect" doesn't work unless I completely close downthe terminal window[17:02:10] <ry-crt> works onw. thank god :)[17:02:47] <ry-crt> now I can focus on havingi a nice bm before getting on the plane...[17:03:10] <ry-crt> thank you for being my teddy bear.[17:05:45] *** tamr has quit IRC[17:06:51] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[17:07:51] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[17:09:31] *** ranks_ has joined #opensolaris[17:16:36] *** ddosia has left #opensolaris[17:18:05] *** tamr has quit IRC[17:21:11] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[17:23:11] *** gaveen has quit IRC[17:24:02] *** gaveen has joined 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helpful[17:59:12] *** Me[-_-]gaf has joined #OpenSolaris[17:59:39] <trichobezoar> pkg search -r python[17:59:58] <klg1> i installed python 2.5 after searching it[18:00:55] <klg1> but now i have python 2.4 & 2.5, by default /usr/bin/python -> points to python2.4, if i remove that & make a new symbolic link to python 2.5 , then some of the applications don't work[18:01:30] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[18:03:55] *** devians_ has quit IRC[18:05:11] <LouisJB_> hmmm, having got opensolaris 2008.11 working on virtual box, updating it to the latest dev and rebooting leaves a white screen - a new one for me[18:06:00] <nachox> LouisJB_, you've installed the virtualbox tools in that opensolaris?[18:06:07] <LouisJB_> I recal a problem with libc and a spurious line in a config file (probably xorg conf) for 107 - do these problems still exist or is it something new[18:06:29] <LouisJB_> nachox: well, it was installed, bit difficult now as the screen is completely white[18:07:28] *** kriebel has quit 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/opt/python2.5 image, and install python2.5 to there[18:13:53] <LouisJB_> hmmm screen works while loading, goes white about the time graphical login would kick in...[18:14:51] <nachox> LouisJB_, then start in single user mode and disable X[18:15:15] <nachox> you'll need to disable happy face in the process to be able to actually type[18:16:04] <LouisJB_> ?[18:16:41] <LouisJB_> I'm just booting into previous version and will mount the update to check for config problems[18:17:06] <LouisJB_> can I uninstall virtualbox additions from there?[18:17:36] <klg1> trichobezoar: i'm not much aware of image concept, can u guide me to a link or tutorial from where i can read & implement it[18:18:04] <trichobezoar> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/docinfo.html[18:18:17] <trichobezoar> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/ghpah.html[18:21:05] <nachox> LouisJB_, i'm not sure[18:21:39] <LouisJB_> bit of a long-shot but I'm just trying the fixes I needed for 107 first[18:22:45] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[18:22:57] *** Gekz has quit IRC[18:23:12] <LouisJB_> hmmm, seems to have the same RgbPath entry in xorg.conf that broke my other installation to 107 from 101 a little while ago, curious[18:24:09] <nachox> LouisJB_, oh, you need to remove that :)[18:24:26] <LouisJB_> yeah... just doing that, maybe it will fix it[18:24:37] <nachox> check the Xorg log file[18:25:04] <LouisJB_> it was the white screen that threw me a little, before it was a black screen, but that was under vmware server 2, this is virtual box - maybe it's really the same problem[18:25:44] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[18:26:42] <LouisJB_> just rebooting to try[18:26:54] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[18:27:24] <nachox> disable happyface to at least have a prompt[18:27:46] <LouisJB_> I don't know what that is![18:28:21] <nachox> edit the kernel line and remove the console=graphic stuff[18:28:32] <nachox> in grub[18:29:00] <LouisJB_> oh I see, to get to single user console mode[18:29:08] *** nichol has joined #opensolaris[18:29:15] <LouisJB_> well, it's just booting, if it goes wrong again I shall do that next[18:30:53] <LouisJB_> ok, didn't work - same problem still[18:31:10] <LouisJB_> so at grub I press e and edit the entries?[18:31:30] <LouisJB_> or c and edit /etc/grub.conf?[18:31:48] <nachox> e and edit the entry[18:33:13] <LouisJB_> ok, got <S, console=graphics[18:33:18] <nachox> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS[18:33:31] <LouisJB_> I change that to - right ok thanks[18:33:47] <nachox> that is what your kernel line should look like[18:34:15] <LouisJB_> I think it's broken, I press e on the long kernel line and only get the above partial line[18:34:16] <nachox> the < means there is more stuff before that[18:34:21] <LouisJB_> ahhh[18:35:27] <LouisJB_> ok, done and booting again[18:36:18] <nachox> can you see something more? messages or the white screen again?[18:36:48] <LouisJB_> it's just booting, so hopefully I'll see a command prompt with any luck this time?[18:37:00] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[18:37:41] <LouisJB_> crazy, white screen again :([18:37:47] <nachox> you should see something a black screen with text on it, the opensolaris build number and zfs mounting it's filesystems for example[18:39:56] <nachox> if you have foreground, foreground or splashimage lines remove them as well[18:40:19] <nachox> *background, foreground or slashimage[18:40:55] <LouisJB_> ok, just booting again because I'm not sure it saved the previous boot edits, so just done again and double checking[18:42:11] *** mhidrr has quit IRC[18:43:22] <LouisJB_> ahhh, maybe slightly different, the graphical loader with the animated progress bar just stops and hangs after a while now[18:43:49] <LouisJB_> so I think I also need to do what you suggest with the other lines[18:43:59] <nachox> probably[18:44:05] <nachox> i hate happyface... so useless[18:44:23] <LouisJB_> hmmm, not useful when troubleshooting[18:44:48] <nachox> whoever came up with orange on lightblue should be killed on sight[18:45:03] <LouisJB_> heh[18:45:19] <LouisJB_> ok, other lines removed (it left just 4) and booting again now[18:45:58] <nachox> can you see something other than that nasty thing?[18:46:31] <LouisJB_> just a black screen and frozen cursor - hope I didn't remove too much[18:46:37] *** gretel has quit IRC[18:48:17] <nachox> LouisJB_, http://pastebin.com/m6a71d8aa[18:48:25] <nachox> that is what i use to boot mine[18:48:55] <LouisJB_> nachox: many thanks, I really appreciate your help[18:49:02] <nachox> you might want to add a -v to the kernel line to get something more verbose, but in any case you should at least see the copyright line[18:49:06] <LouisJB_> I can see a SunOS screen now[18:49:13] <LouisJB_> yes, seeing that[18:49:20] <LouisJB_> I think it's stll booting[18:49:27] <LouisJB_> ahhh ZFS lines appearing now[18:49:47] <LouisJB_> so far so good, maybe I'll be luck and will get a prompt[18:50:06] <nachox> you'll get a login prompt if X fails to load[18:50:24] <LouisJB_> ahah - logged in now[18:50:30] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[18:50:34] <LouisJB_> it confirms svn_109[18:50:44] <LouisJB_> i should check xorg logs right?[18:50:58] <nachox> indeed[18:52:14] <LouisJB_> oh suspicious, I can see fatal errors to do with vboxmouse_drv.so - so virtual box additions possibly as you said[18:53:11] <nachox> uninstall those then... i have no experience with bvox so i cant really help there[18:53:17] <nachox> *vbox[18:53:18] <LouisJB_> hmmm[18:53:44] <LouisJB_> well I installed using pkgadd -d pathtoadditionspkg, can I remove the whole pkg in a similar way?[18:54:30] <nachox> pkgrm packagename[18:54:42] <nachox> pkginfo | grep -i box might tell you the name of the package[18:55:37] <LouisJB_> nice, removed![18:55:49] <LouisJB_> ok, so reboot and see what happens do you think?[18:55:58] <nachox> you do not need to reboot[18:56:08] <LouisJB_> start gdm?[18:56:09] <nachox> svcadm refresh gdm[18:56:18] <LouisJB_> svcadm enable gmd?[18:56:24] <LouisJB_> ok![18:56:28] <nachox> you've disabled it?[18:56:41] <nachox> if you have then you need to enable it, yes[18:56:41] <LouisJB_> no[18:56:52] <LouisJB_> ok, I'll refresh it[18:57:50] <LouisJB_> graphical-login reports online[18:59:44] <nachox> you might want to write exit too[18:59:59] <nachox> i dont think it is necesary though[19:00:06] <LouisJB_> hmmmm, the last line in xorg logs reports No drivers available[19:00:29] <LouisJB_> well, gdm is online as far as I can see but nothing is happening[19:01:03] <nachox> just reboot then... :P windows like[19:01:21] <nachox> remember to disable nastyface just in case[19:02:32] <LouisJB_> ok, booting again[19:03:37] <LouisJB_> as a separate thing it's still reporting 32 bit when it should have been 64, separate problem to tackle I guess[19:04:00] <LouisJB_> ok, it's reached command line login prompt[19:06:32] <nachox> then there is something else wrong with X[19:07:02] <nachox> gdm will report an online status even if X has not started properly[19:09:29] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[19:09:53] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris[19:10:24] <tsoome> ofc it will[19:11:10] <tsoome> as there is nothing wrong with it;)[19:11:14] <LouisJB_> the last lines in Xorg log is:[19:11:32] <LouisJB_> Fatal server error: no screens found[19:11:53] <tsoome> you have no driver for your gfx card....[19:11:58] <nachox> remove the xorg.conf file completely, rename it to something else[19:12:09] <nachox> X should autodetect that stuff[19:12:45] <LouisJB_> ok removed, should I refresh gdm?[19:12:55] <nachox> restart it[19:13:15] <LouisJB_> bingo![19:13:18] <LouisJB_> :) heh[19:14:03] <LouisJB_> nice one, thanks the the help![19:14:10] <nachox> i had forgotten that particular thing about gdm, refresh wouldnt have worked[19:14:27] <LouisJB_> so, rule of thumb, I need to avoid virtual box additions at the moment?[19:14:59] <nachox> yes[19:15:01] *** twisti has 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I'm fairly sure is 64[19:18:28] <LouisJB_> i've not done that, unless I did it by mistake[19:18:33] <nachox> but if you used my kernel line, it should have booted a 64 bit version if available[19:19:03] <nachox> what does "/usr/bin/isainfo -k" return?[19:19:04] <LouisJB_> oh VT-x is off, I should try re-enabling perhaps and rebooting[19:19:26] <LouisJB_> i386[19:19:39] <nachox> then it is a 32 bit kernel :P[19:19:50] <LouisJB_> but why? heh[19:19:59] <LouisJB_> it things the hardware is 32?[19:20:10] <LouisJB_> s/things/thinks[19:20:22] <nachox> enable those things then, it's a virtualbox problem now, only the newest virtualbox supports 64 bit guests in osx iirc[19:20:49] <LouisJB_> I'm using 2.1.4[19:21:04] <LouisJB_> I shall reenable VT-x and see if it makes a difference[19:21:23] <LouisJB_> maybe it's another virtual box prblem then, e.g. a another bug in it[19:21:48] *** nichol has quit IRC[19:25:53] *** twisti has quit IRC[19:26:21] <nachox> interesting, you seem to need vt-x to 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disk[20:16:45] *** kohju has quit IRC[20:16:50] <oenone> it doesnt have to boot off the usb disk[20:16:51] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris[20:16:56] <CosmicDJ> nadio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_Packaging_System[20:17:02] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[20:17:28] * oenone wants to install opensolaris on a laptop, using an external usb case, because it doesn't have a dvd drive[20:18:20] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris? IIRC the download is a cd image (i.e. 700mb)[20:18:51] <oenone> err, i meant SXCE[20:19:00] <oenone> the laptop has no drive at all[20:19:05] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[20:19:13] <bda> Jumpstart.[20:19:14] <gnut> oenone: oh. well, you could download the iso and put it on your usb disk and then boot off the usb disk and install from there[20:19:27] <oenone> oh.. that could be possible, too..[20:24:30] <nadio> Where is the kernel located in opensolaris /usr/src is empty ?[20:24:34] <nachox> is it possible to query all the drivers for quiesce support?[20:25:19] <nachox> /kernel/amd64/genunix[20:25:30] *** cwebber has quit IRC[20:28:13] *** m3t4l has joined #opensolaris[20:28:46] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[20:30:17] *** ueafkl has quit IRC[20:31:34] <jwk404> the flag day notice seems to indicate you can do 'reboot -f dryrun' to find out, but i haven't tried it yet.[20:32:08] <CosmicDJ> I've never seen any kernel in /usr/src...[20:33:21] <e^ipi> nadio: the kernel sources you need to pull from the repo, but there's no point since recompiling your kernel is unnecessary and primitive[20:33:23] <codestr0m> nadio: you're missing the symlink from /usr/src/linux-2.6.xx to /usr/src/linux ;)[20:33:25] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[20:33:32] <oenone> how can i (re)start the install routine? i accidentally cancelled it (with C-c)[20:33:47] <CosmicDJ> oenone: ls /usr/*/*inst*[20:33:53] <CosmicDJ> one of them :)[20:34:03] <nadio> humm linux kernel? doesnt opensolaris have its own kernel?[20:34:14] <e^ipi> nadio: yes, it does[20:34:30] <CosmicDJ> and it's called "SunOS"[20:34:40] <nadio> ok is it based on unix or linux?[20:34:49] <e^ipi> nadio: but there's no tweaks you can do at compile time. everything that can be changed can be changed with system tunables[20:34:55] <e^ipi> it /is/ unix[20:35:06] <e^ipi> unless you ask the open group, in which case only solaris10 is unix[20:35:54] <oenone> what should TERM be for ttinstall?[20:36:24] *** nichol has quit IRC[20:36:31] <xy|ox> solaris is unix based like all except win[20:36:46] *** m3t4l has left #opensolaris[20:36:49] <e^ipi> xy|ox: incorrect. solaris is unix, unlike everything except osx, hpux, and aix[20:37:19] <oenone> GNU Linux is _not_ unix (GNU=GNU's Not Unix)[20:37:31] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: i don't think that's accurated. he said "unix based". something doesn't stop being descended from Unix just because it doesn't have the UNIX(tm) trademark[20:37:41] <e^ipi> fair enough[20:37:49] <flyingparchment> (example: if solaris dropped its unix certification tomorrow, it'd still be descended from unix)[20:38:12] <e^ipi> that still leaves xBSD as a ship of theseus unix however[20:38:12] <flyingparchment> then again, windows is hardly the only non-unix os ;)[20:38:27] *** SiDi has joined #opensolaris[20:38:42] <e^ipi> (all the parts have been replaced and there aren't traces of the original left)[20:38:53] <SiDi> Hello[20:39:00] <xy|ox> solaris was borned off unix license in 1992 i think, and made their own tweaks since then[20:39:23] <xy|ox> very similiar story with bsd[20:39:25] <e^ipi> xy|ox: solaris was born of the unix license in 1969[20:39:33] <e^ipi> 92 got nothing[20:40:03] <xy|ox> e^ipi, show me where you got that info, i can show where i got mine[20:40:04] <e^ipi> BSD was a patch set that grew and grew until it no longer needed the original to patch against[20:40:17] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: hmm.. i think it depends how you define "UNIX". if you're talking about the USL code--sure. but 3.xBSD, 4.xBSD were just as much UNIX as V7 or System III/IV... does removing some of the code from a UNIX make it not UNIX anymore?[20:40:33] *** B|nTaRa-- is now known as B|nTaRa[20:41:57] <flyingparchment> i don't think removing the USL code makes the 4.4Net released not Unix, because 4.3 (for example) was, by itself, a UNIX[20:42:03] *** _ad_ has joined #opensolaris[20:42:29] <xy|ox> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(operating_system)[20:43:10] <xy|ox> e^ipi, that link is where my info come from[20:43:11] <e^ipi> flyingparchment: the story of the ship of theseus was that they maintained this trireme that theseus won a bunch of battles in for celebration. as the wood rotted away it was replaced. after several hundred years, all the original wood had rotted away and been replaced. the question plato posits is "is it the same ship?"[20:43:16] <e^ipi> similarly with BSD[20:43:21] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: yes, i understand your point[20:43:22] <xy|ox> tell me your info source[20:43:31] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: my point is this: the new parts that BSD added are also UNIX, because BSD itself was a UNIX[20:43:55] <e^ipi> fair enough[20:44:22] *** _ad_ has left #opensolaris[20:45:01] <e^ipi> xy|ox: the unix timeline is unbroken... UTSv7 -> SysIII -> SysV -> SVR4 -> Solaris ... linux is a facsimile[20:45:55] <e^ipi> it is unix in neither heritage nor certification[20:46:19] <xy|ox> again tell me your source[20:46:31] <xy|ox> linux is a clone of unix[20:46:36] <flyingparchment> what are you disputing? that solaris is descended from SVR4 is common knowledge[20:46:50] <flyingparchment> it even said "UNIX(r) System V(tm) Release 4.0" in the telnet banner until 8 or so[20:46:54] <e^ipi> and that linux isn't is common knowledge as well... that's why SCO lost the lawsuit[20:47:00] *** rastal has quit IRC[20:47:18] <flyingparchment> (now it just says "SunOS 5.10", which is much less interesting)[20:47:29] <CosmicDJ> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Unix-history.svg[20:47:33] <nachox> you cant have it both ways, either linux is unix and sco wins or linux isnt and sco doent win :)[20:47:40] <CosmicDJ> nice unix tree[20:47:45] <CosmicDJ> I see solaris in there, as well as BSD[20:48:17] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: i know, my jabs at BSD were more of a philosophical exercise[20:49:27] <flyingparchment> hmm.[20:49:32] <flyingparchment> i'm pretty sure sunos 1.0 was a V7, not a 4BSD[20:49:39] <flyingparchment> in fact i don't think 4BSD even existed back then[20:49:48] <flyingparchment> or maybe sun just ran a V7 back then and it wasn't called sunos..[20:50:10] <e^ipi> i was pretty sure it was 4BSD[20:50:10] <CosmicDJ> IIRC bill joy studied at berkeley and took a copy of bsd to sun[20:50:23] <oninoshiko> sco lost for more reasons then that. SCO has not copyrights to the SYSV codebase[20:50:28] <oninoshiko> no*[20:50:35] <flyingparchment> ah, "Sun UNIX 0.7" was a V7, according to wikipedia[20:50:41] <flyingparchment> while 1.0 was 4BSD[20:51:19] *** _ad_ has joined #opensolaris[20:52:49] *** ahmed-tux has joined #opensolaris[20:53:04] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[20:54:25] <CosmicDJ> what was the original question?[20:54:42] <flyingparchment> whether solaris is based on unix or linux[20:55:02] <CosmicDJ> def. on unix :)[20:55:32] <flyingparchment> really? i thought it was based on an advanced research OS created by joerg schilling in 1897[20:55:43] <bda> haha[20:56:36] <nachox> flyingparchment, scary thought :)[20:57:16] <nachox> can you imagine solaris as an extension to star?[20:58:27] <oenone> is there somewhere a description of the sxce packages on the dvd?[20:59:27] *** chrol has quit IRC[20:59:39] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[21:01:24] <trichobezoar> < nachox> can you imagine solaris as an extension to star? <--- funny[21:03:18] *** chrol_ has joined #opensolaris[21:06:17] <oninoshiko> xy|ox: additionally wikipedia can never be used as an athoritative source.[21:07:20] *** myosound has quit IRC[21:07:21] *** ken has quit IRC[21:08:38] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[21:08:52] <xy|ox> oninoshiko, so you say that the info in that link is false? show your source[21:08:53] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[21:09:11] <flyingparchment> it's like a broken record[21:10:02] <xy|ox> if we cant trust wikipedia, we cant trust anything on the internet[21:10:18] <CosmicDJ> well, I'd say thats true :)[21:10:20] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris[21:11:15] <oninoshiko> xy|ox: I say that you have not presented an authoritative source. Try citing it in a collage course, any resonable professor wiill fail you on the exersize.[21:11:25] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[21:12:26] <trichobezoar> wikipedia is a collection of sources on the net...[21:12:53] <xy|ox> oninoshiko, i dont say i own the absolute true but at least i am telling my info source, but you cant tell its false without telling your source[21:13:39] <CosmicDJ> what was false? that solaris is "older" than 1992?[21:13:52] <e^ipi> the source is the source[21:13:58] <e^ipi> there are copyrights in there that are hella-old[21:14:13] <oninoshiko> no, its a collection of edits from individuals, many of who are not authorities on the subject matter.[21:14:13] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[21:14:54] *** rastal has quit IRC[21:15:04] <oninoshiko> xy|ox: please, point me to where i accused this spacific artical of being false.[21:15:45] <oninoshiko> you will find i did not. I did accuse you of citing a non-authoritative source.[21:15:52] *** fftb__ has joined #opensolaris[21:16:11] <xy|ox> oninoshiko, not referring to you about saying false, talking about the previous discussion[21:17:08] *** rsys has quit IRC[21:17:14] <xy|ox> oninoshiko, and if you dont say is false, i suppose you think its true so you agree with me[21:17:37] <oninoshiko> no, i did not. Will you please refrain from putting words in my mouth?[21:17:47] <CosmicDJ> could you summarise the prev. discussion for us again? :)[21:17:54] <trichobezoar> [citation needed][21:17:57] <e^ipi> xy|ox: there is code with at&t copyrights on it as old as 1968 in solaris[21:18:46] <e^ipi> my bad, 69[21:18:58] *** CrayT3E has quit IRC[21:19:23] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[21:19:28] <oninoshiko> what i said if you need a PROPER source if you want to argue about sources[21:19:41] *** chrol has quit IRC[21:19:44] <xy|ox> oninoshiko, which words did i put on your mouth?[21:21:14] <e^ipi> alright guys, knock it off, now it's just bickering[21:21:25] <oninoshiko> you have both accused me of disputing the accuricy of your non-authoritative source and acnowledging it's accuracy. I have done neither, I have disputed it as an authority.[21:21:32] *** myosound has quit IRC[21:21:46] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[21:25:19] *** cypromis has quit IRC[21:25:24] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis[21:25:27] <xy|ox> oninoshiko, lol thats confusing[21:26:05] *** Tusk21 has joined #opensolaris[21:26:16] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[21:26:19] *** e^ipi sets mode: +m[21:26:25] <e^ipi> alright, this ends now[21:26:33] <e^ipi> knock it off or you get a time-out[21:26:52] <e^ipi> nobody gives a crap anymore[21:27:01] <bda> Did anyone ever?[21:27:13] <e^ipi> no, but those two have been bickering over it for a half hour[21:27:20] *** e^ipi sets mode: -m[21:28:31] <oninoshiko> 20 mins. (15:05:44 - 15:24:55)[21:28:36] *** saohh has quit IRC[21:28:39] <e^ipi> i don't care[21:28:43] <Keso> ALL: can I remove slim_install without harming system ?[21:28:47] *** chrol_ has quit IRC[21:28:59] <Stric> NONE: canoe?[21:28:59] <oninoshiko> and it's not like it was disruping the other conversion.[21:29:01] <e^ipi> Keso: you can try and report back ;)[21:29:18] <e^ipi> Stric: can you canoe ?[21:29:25] <Stric> Nope. None can.[21:29:34] <Keso> e^ipi: I saw post the slim_install can be removed as normal package[21:29:39] <Stric> (except Chuck Norris)[21:29:39] <oninoshiko> Keso: If your on a zfs install, just take a snapshot first and try it, you can always go back[21:29:53] <Stric> isn't slim_install package just a meta package to bring in various other stuff?[21:31:24] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[21:31:30] <xy|ox> e^ipi, sorry, didnt mean to disturb the channel, just mantaining a solaris related discussion[21:31:42] <CosmicDJ> lol[21:31:44] <e^ipi> we never do *shrug*[21:31:45] <CosmicDJ> sry[21:31:49] <e^ipi> usually it degrades to coffee[21:32:29] *** xy|ox has left #opensolaris[21:32:52] <CosmicDJ> great, no you scared him away[21:32:56] <CosmicDJ> no+w[21:33:52] <gnut> is the ATI radeon HD 3200 supported in sxce? I don't see it on the HCL, but how updated is that?[21:36:11] *** eldee has joined #opensolaris[21:36:17] *** Gekz has quit IRC[21:37:17] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:37:45] <e^ipi> gnut: probably not, ATI sucks for drivers and don't provide them for solaris[21:37:48] <e^ipi> so... no 3d[21:38:14] *** slazar has quit IRC[21:38:45] <e^ipi> solution: why did you buy ATI ? everyone knows you don't buy ati ...[21:39:01] <fraggeln> gnut: I did struggle alot with an ati-card. I did use it for targetpractice and got myself a $30 nvidia-card, works like a charm.[21:39:14] <nachox> they created fairly decent drivers for linux...[21:39:27] <oninoshiko> I know most of the ATI cards do work as a frambuffer. also there was an open-source project to make drivers for it, although i dont know how far along they got[21:39:31] <e^ipi> nachox: that's an odd use of the word "decent" that i've previously not encountered[21:39:43] <nachox> hehe[21:40:01] <oninoshiko> e^ipi: it wasn't running around nekked?[21:40:11] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:40:41] <e^ipi> oninoshiko: only on the beaches surrounding the University of British Columbia, but everyone does that[21:41:05] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris[21:41:13] <oninoshiko> there you go! staying decent[21:42:40] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[21:46:09] *** eldee has quit IRC[21:46:20] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:49:11] *** _ad_ has left #opensolaris[21:50:36] <Keso> e^ipi: removing slim_install does not hurt system, or better say I can't see anything wrong now, but I didn't rebooted yet[21:55:01] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[21:58:40] *** nadio has quit IRC[21:58:41] *** lewq has joined #opensolaris[21:58:46] *** joab has quit IRC[21:58:51] *** joab has joined #opensolaris[21:59:19] *** joab has quit IRC[22:00:26] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[22:02:52] *** ken is now known as prathyush-zZz[22:03:35] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[22:06:39] *** gottadoit1 has joined #opensolaris[22:09:04] * nachox installs oss4.1 to see if that solves the sound issues in virtualbox[22:09:54] *** Chipdancer_ has joined #opensolaris[22:10:16] *** bubbva has quit IRC[22:10:29] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[22:10:50] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:12:54] *** nachox has quit IRC[22:16:05] *** piwi has quit IRC[22:16:40] *** WhiteRabbit_ has quit IRC[22:17:14] *** asarch has quit IRC[22:17:52] *** SiDi has quit IRC[22:18:16] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[22:19:56] *** frankS2 has joined #opensolaris[22:20:12] <frankS2> Hi, is there any package system in opensolaris? ports,apt,rpm or something?[22:20:19] <frankS2> or do i have to get stuff frmo sources[22:21:26] <oninoshiko> indiana has IPS, SXCE requires SYSV packages, which you would likely build from sources[22:22:05] <frankS2> indiana?[22:22:39] <oninoshiko> "OpenSolaris 2008.11"[22:23:17] <frankS2> ok[22:24:00] <frankS2> oninoshiko: is there a package manager? to easely search software and automatickly install dependencies?[22:24:10] <trichobezoar> FujiSun[22:24:13] <trichobezoar> Sunistu[22:24:17] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[22:26:30] <oninoshiko> I dont know the spacifics of any search function in IPS. I do know it does relay online repositories.[22:27:23] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[22:28:11] <trichobezoar> pkg automatically does deps[22:28:21] <trichobezoar> Here, read this - http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/docinfo.html[22:28:41] *** gottadoit1 has quit IRC[22:28:43] *** gottadoit11 has joined #opensolaris[22:28:43] <oninoshiko> thank you trichobezoar, i missed that question[22:28:55] *** gottadoit11 is now known as gottadoit1[22:29:23] *** Chipdancer_ has quit IRC[22:29:48] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[22:32:20] *** wewek has quit IRC[22:32:43] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[22:32:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[22:36:56] *** fftb__ has quit IRC[22:38:03] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[22:40:32] *** m3t4l has joined #opensolaris[22:41:13] *** m3t4l has left #opensolaris[22:42:43] *** abcdefg has joined #opensolaris[22:43:34] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[22:44:33] *** gnb_ has quit IRC[22:46:11] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[22:47:57] *** nachox has quit IRC[22:47:58] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[22:50:15] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[22:51:37] *** gerrywisnoski has joined #opensolaris[22:53:52] <gerrywisnoski> Hi. I'm trying os-2008.11 for the first time on an old PC. Everything's fine except the Microsoft PS/2 style mouse is hardly working at all (jumps around the screen). Can someone please point me in the right direction to find out how to get past this and also is there a keyboard equivalent to 'right-click'? Thx.[22:55:10] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[22:55:34] *** abcdefg has quit IRC[22:58:30] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[22:58:41] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[22:59:30] *** webmink_ has joined #opensolaris[23:02:25] *** dsop_ has joined #opensolaris[23:02:36] <dsop_> does someone know where to get the dtrace enabled 5.1 sources/binaries of myssql?[23:02:37] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[23:02:57] <CosmicDJ> hm... from suns website?![23:03:03] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[23:03:07] *** Teltariat has quit IRC[23:03:40] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris[23:03:45] <trichobezoar> mysql.com[23:03:45] <Teltariat> Greets folks[23:03:54] <dsop_> CosmicDJ: this will take me to mysql.com which does not include dtraces probes in 5.1[23:03:57] <Teltariat> where does Solaris xVM keep the configuration for the domains?[23:04:08] <Teltariat> ie, where is the config stored for the domains I see when I do "xm list" ?[23:04:33] <trichobezoar> heh. i always get out the sledgehammer and dtrace for those questions.[23:05:02] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[23:05:32] *** gerrywisnoski has quit IRC[23:05:52] <Teltariat> I don't imagine Dtrace is going to be of much help after you've smashed the machine in with the sledgehammer.[23:06:38] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[23:07:13] <nachox> where is the script that calls suspend in solaris if i press the suspend button?[23:09:49] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:10:08] *** myosound has quit IRC[23:11:15] *** skullone has joined #opensolaris[23:15:53] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[23:17:01] <e^ipi> nachox: it calls "uadmin 3 20"[23:17:09] <e^ipi> no it's not documented, yes it's cludgy[23:17:18] <e^ipi> sys-suspend(1) putback in 110 IIRC[23:18:29] <nachox> e^ipi, the problem is that bfe (at least the version i have) doesn't support suspend and resume, in fact it totally breaks it, since i mostly use wireless i'd love to be able to unload the module before suspend is called[23:18:43] *** gkl has joined #opensolaris[23:19:00] *** SQlvpapir__ has joined #opensolaris[23:19:01] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[23:19:14] <e^ipi> so do it[23:19:21] <e^ipi> *shrug* now you know how[23:20:15] <nachox> i think i'll just rename the driver, but adding it to whatever calls uadmin to suspend solaris would be a plus[23:20:26] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[23:22:03] *** SQlvpapir__ has quit IRC[23:22:18] *** backspace has joined #opensolaris[23:23:02] *** dsop_ has left #opensolaris[23:24:26] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:24:32] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[23:25:24] *** prdelka has quit IRC[23:25:38] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[23:26:37] *** jgracin has quit IRC[23:26:38] <LouisJB_> nachox: you know we spoke earlier regarding my problem with virtualbox guest additions for opensolaris 109?[23:26:45] *** Jondice is now known as bbarker[23:27:47] *** webmink_ is now known as webmink[23:28:42] *** pgr has quit IRC[23:28:44] <nachox> yes[23:29:28] <LouisJB_> well, I'm trying to locate the bug on it so I can track when it gets fixe, but I can't find it - do you have any ideas, you mentioned it was a known problem[23:29:39] <LouisJB_> s/fixe/fixed[23:29:39] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[23:29:57] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[23:30:29] <oenone> is there a way to show a dependency tree of the installed packages?[23:33:20] <trichobezoar> how do i do system monitoring on a x4200? on a dell i can use omsa...[23:33:54] *** fftb has quit IRC[23:33:56] <nachox> LouisJB_, what bug? the Xorg bug?[23:34:06] *** [JT] has quit IRC[23:34:10] <nachox> brb[23:34:14] *** nachox has quit IRC[23:34:22] <LouisJB_> incompatibility when installing opensolaris guest additions[23:34:40] <LouisJB_> yes, xorg - driver problems[23:35:43] <LouisJB_> sort of like this one http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/3378 but I'm not sure it's quite it[23:36:55] <LouisJB_> this might be it http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/3408[23:41:52] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: wtf is omsa?![23:41:59] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC[23:42:38] <trichobezoar> Dell OpenManage Server Administrator[23:43:06] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: iostat/vmstat/prstat/iostat/cpustat/busstat/intrstat/sar for quick overview, dtrace for more specific "questions"[23:45:50] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[23:47:38] *** infomomo has quit IRC[23:48:20] *** bbarker is now known as bbarker|afk[23:48:25] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[23:50:14] <nachox> ok, i was right, bfe was the problem, i just removed it[23:53:42] *** throwt has joined #opensolaris[23:55:08] <throwt> CosmicDJ: those things you mentioned... they wont tell me the temperatures, or the raid status[23:55:13] <Teltariat> CosmicDJ: can you think of any other nice status utils besides those you mentioned?[23:55:21] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[23:55:28] <Teltariat> throwt: pfexec ipmitool sdr[23:56:37] <throwt> thanks[23:57:41] *** webmink has quit IRC[23:57:45] <nachox> where should i report bugs from Murayama's drivers? they are not officially part of solaris[23:57:50] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[23:58:31] <e^ipi> probably to murayama