[00:03:12] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[00:04:19] <ry-tpro> sata port replication?
[00:05:05] *** evocallaghan1 has joined #opensolaris
[00:05:19] <Ouro> connecting multiple drives to one sata channel (not sure what the official term is)... looks like not supported yet based on this: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/device_drivers/projects/AHCI/
[00:06:13] <ry-tpro> ah
[00:06:23] <ry-tpro> like esata
[00:06:56] <Ouro> yeah, but should work with normal sata too (is there a difference?)
[00:07:37] *** warrenstrange has joined #opensolaris
[00:08:07] <Ouro> i am considering ways of making a small and cheap RAID-1, perhaps using a netbook
[00:08:13] <ry-tpro> think so
[00:08:28] <Ouro> the problem is none of them have more than 1 esata port (if that)
[00:08:35] <ry-tpro> google should have the answer
[00:08:43] <Ouro> i suppose i could use USB, but that does not seem very reliable
[00:08:44] *** gm152 has quit IRC
[00:08:54] <ry-tpro> usb works
[00:09:02] <ry-tpro> a little slow
[00:10:07] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris
[00:10:12] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[00:10:42] <Ouro> also i am concerned about data corruption if drives randomly disconnect/reconnect like USB peripherals are known to do
[00:10:45] <e^ipi> Ouro: see about SAS cards that do what you want
[00:11:00] <e^ipi> and as for data corruption... use ZFS with some sort of redundancy
[00:11:01] *** coffeetime has quit IRC
[00:11:05] <Ouro> of course
[00:11:07] <e^ipi> your data will be checksummed
[00:11:13] <e^ipi> and therefore reliable
[00:11:27] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: we sampled blue bottle yesterday. i like that they have "proper" doubles :)
[00:11:44] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: yeah? how'd you like it?
[00:12:10] <_Lewellyn> the best i've had in sf yet
[00:12:27] <_Lewellyn> and $2 per, that's not a bad price
[00:12:33] <e^ipi> no, it's ok
[00:12:50] <e^ipi> my fave. joint in central california is barefoot in santa clara / cupertino
[00:13:11] <ry-tpro> heh hey lew
[00:13:47] <e^ipi> sfbay took a little while to start getting really respectable coffee shops, but now they're popping up all over
[00:14:14] <ry-tpro> heh
[00:14:19] *** chode has quit IRC
[00:16:08] *** ravv has quit IRC
[00:16:23] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris
[00:16:28] <ry-tpro> coffee is a good idea.
[00:16:35] <trochej> Coffee
[00:16:42] * _Lewellyn thinks a Venom is in his near future
[00:16:47] <ry-tpro> I need to start my work day!
[00:16:49] *** geppy has joined #opensolaris
[00:16:53] <e^ipi> venom?
[00:17:57] <ry-tpro> like in batman
[00:18:15] <bda> Spiderman.
[00:18:16] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: my energy drink of choice...
[00:18:18] *** Hunger- has quit IRC
[00:18:22] <ry-tpro> gives bane his power.
[00:18:24] <e^ipi> ahh
[00:18:25] * _Lewellyn looks for an empty can to see if it has a url
[00:18:41] <e^ipi> all those energy drinks taste like turpentine to me
[00:18:43] <geppy> Is it possible to put some of /usr's subdirectories on a RAIDZ pool?  My root disk isn't big enough to handle upgrades+software installations, and as I understand it, only a (relatively) small portion of the OS needs to be on the rpool.
[00:18:46] *** rv- has quit IRC
[00:18:48] <_Lewellyn> bah. so 1990s. no url on the can.
[00:18:58] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: this is the only tolerable one i've found
[00:19:05] <ry-tpro> heh
[00:19:16] <monsted> geppy: sure, most of /usr should live just fine on a zfs
[00:19:19] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris
[00:19:19] <e^ipi> they're all a hell of a lot of citric acid and some bitter shit mixed in with way too much sugar
[00:19:55] <victori> for a high traffic site, should I increase tcp_conn_req_max_q ? 128 seems a bit small
[00:19:57] <monsted> actually, all of /usr should :)
[00:20:08] <geppy> monsted: I'm not just talking about ZFS: I have a ZFS boot device already.  The thing is that beyond that I have a RAIDZ array, and I'd like to offload as much of the root system as possible to it.
[00:20:12] * ry-tpro waits for his bill.
[00:20:37] <ry-tpro> btw lew, ssecufecrt was broken,, the gave me access to a beta build that works
[00:20:46] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: yeah. the citric acid and taurine is the nastiest combination in the world :P
[00:20:55] <_Lewellyn> ry: nice. you liking securecrt? :)
[00:20:56] <monsted> geppy: /usr shouldn't contain anything essential to the initial booting of the system
[00:21:04] <ry-tpro> I now have perfect xterms under windows!
[00:21:07] <monsted> geppy: thus, raidz is fine
[00:21:07] *** gm152_ is now known as gm152
[00:21:14] <_Lewellyn> i should get ahold of vandyke to see if i can get a beta. i want to see if they've fixed my only crasher
[00:21:26] <ry-tpro> well
[00:21:29] <_Lewellyn> but, again, i'm trying to not use windows :P
[00:21:36] <ry-tpro> you can tell em what I did
[00:21:41] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: doesn't help that half the can is sugar
[00:21:44] <e^ipi> i hate sugar
[00:21:48] <ry-tpro> bold color is broken
[00:21:51] <geppy> monsted: Great, that's what I thought/was hoping!  I couldn't find any definitive answers on the net, only someone saying that in the days before ZFS boot, /usr couldn't be on ZFS at all, and that rather worried me.
[00:22:29] <e^ipi> my favorite pop is club soda, sometimes with a dozen ml or so of some fruit syrup ( torani syrups... coffee shops use them )
[00:22:34] <monsted> if you run into a problem with it, beat up whoever put the essential item in /usr in the first place ;)
[00:22:43] <geppy> monsted: hahaha :)
[00:22:50] <ry-tpro> or I could just mail the bin,ary I have tl you.
[00:23:01] <ry-tpro> damn thbis keyboard.
[00:23:35] <ry-tpro> getting used to it though.
[00:24:08] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: carbonated water, sugar, glucose, citric acid, maltodextrin, taurine, sodium citrate, glucuronolactone, natural and artificial flavors, ginseng extract, l-carnitine, inositol, caffeine, sodium benzoate, caramel color, potassium sorbate, niacinamide, guarana, sucralose, pyridoxine hydrocholride, riboflavin, cyanocobalamin.
[00:24:16] <trichobezoar> it has cyanide in it
[00:24:23] <_Lewellyn> the only thing that i really really dislike drinking is the sucralose
[00:24:26] *** Ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[00:24:29] <ry-tpro> jesus
[00:24:30] <trichobezoar> funny that b12 is itself used for cyanide poisoning
[00:24:42] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: cyanide is carbon and nitrogen...
[00:24:44] <Ramdac_> hello guys, anyone uses sxce here?
[00:24:55] <_Lewellyn> but it's the least vile energy drink out there, and relatively short ingredients :P
[00:25:00] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, yes
[00:25:02] <_Lewellyn> many people
[00:25:12] *** geppy has quit IRC
[00:25:14] <ry-tpro> coffee + water = energy
[00:25:32] <trichobezoar> Mass mfgr'd B12 comes from bacteria...  and when filtered through activated carbon they pick up cyanide and it becomes cyanocobalamin
[00:25:35] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: some things that contain cyanide are highly toxic. most are not
[00:25:36] <Ramdac_> ok i just finished installing open solaris i want to activate a GUI
[00:25:39] <_Lewellyn> i need b vitamins with massive caffeine :P
[00:26:07] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: which category contains apple seeds? ;)
[00:26:09] <trichobezoar> It's just funny...  that the body has to separate the cyano from it.  Poor source of B12
[00:26:14] <bsdbandit> im looking at comstar i have a virtual machine running opensolaris 11 2008  do i need a fc card or is this all virtual ?
[00:26:22] <Ramdac_> what do i have to do to activate GNOME?
[00:26:23] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: sxce boots to a gui by default
[00:26:27] <ry-tpro> coffee + water + b vitamin == lew's energy.
[00:26:38] <victori> where would I place ndd settings for solaris to use on startup?
[00:26:50] <_Lewellyn> iv drip of espresso and b complex vitamins :)
[00:27:01] * _Lewellyn refrains from telling victori /etc/system...
[00:27:04] <_Lewellyn> ;)
[00:27:12] <Ramdac_> ok is there any command that i can type to activate GNOME
[00:27:20] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, check svcs -xv
[00:27:25] <_Lewellyn> see if cde-login is in maintenance
[00:27:29] <ry-tpro> there you go, get a medicade bracelete swith those resucitation instructions.
[00:27:45] <victori> _Lewellyn: I did not know opensolaris's tcp_conn_req_max_q is set soo low, unacceptable for a moderate traffic server even.
[00:28:11] <_Lewellyn> also, anyone here know how to get opensolaris to boot in vmware, if the partition's not marked active? #vmware is useless :P
[00:28:33] <ry-tpro> virtualbox ;)
[00:28:36] * _Lewellyn is trying to boot a raw partition, and he chainloads grub
[00:28:45] <ry-tpro> oh
[00:28:47] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro, you get it to install
[00:29:04] <ry-tpro> use the whole harddisk
[00:29:05] <e^ipi> hmm... it's slushing outside
[00:29:09] <_Lewellyn> i need to pastebin my install log again when people who can help wake up in #vbox
[00:29:09] <e^ipi> not raining, not snowing
[00:29:11] <e^ipi> both
[00:29:31] *** jfisc has quit IRC
[00:29:33] <ry-tpro> that way you get bootloader.
[00:29:40] <victori> 279490 listendrops ... *sigh*
[00:29:46] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: using the "whole hard disk" for the same physical disk i'm running my booted operating system from sounds unwise.
[00:30:09] <ry-tpro> well, just don't boot into hyoujr active os :)
[00:30:32] <ry-tpro> that's how I got it workin' a year or so agvo.
[00:31:24] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris
[00:31:28] *** tarbo_ has quit IRC
[00:31:29] <_Lewellyn> ok. 1) i need windows-specific programs today (e.g. my accounting program so i can finish invoicing); 2) i want to be running sxce at the same time (if nothing else, for irc)
[00:31:44] <ry-tpro> yup
[00:31:47] *** seanmcg has quit IRC
[00:31:56] <ry-tpro> lew
[00:32:17] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris
[00:32:21] <ry-tpro> today I could not adjust brightness on my laptop, wbhat did you do? :(
[00:34:06] <ry-tpro> ok time to go get coffee.
[00:34:25] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: under solaris?
[00:35:22] <Ouro> are those pcmcia cards with dual esata ports considered port multipliers or is that some other architecutre?
[00:35:24] <_Lewellyn> ok, next question: anyone have suggestions for nfs clients for vista home basic? ;)
[00:35:30] <Ouro> :/
[00:35:44] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn: when i boot to opensolaris there is a lot of warning message coming under each other so quickly and then it says Enter Username for system maintenance at the prompt
[00:35:48] <_Lewellyn> ouro: firstly: pcmcia, cardbus, or expresscard? :)
[00:36:05] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: then you're booting into single user mode and need to fix that.
[00:36:12] <Ouro> _Lewellyn: there is probably something from hummingbird that does NFS
[00:36:21] <Ouro> _Lewellyn: does it matter? expresscard i guess
[00:36:31] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn:and how to overcome that?
[00:36:38] <_Lewellyn> ouro: i've used hummingbird's nfs in the past. it's too expensive for my tastes
[00:36:47] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: log in and see what's failing and why?
[00:37:05] <_Lewellyn> ouro: it was the best option for NT4, though
[00:37:11] *** tarbo has joined #opensolaris
[00:37:12] *** chode has joined #opensolaris
[00:37:14] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[00:37:36] <_Lewellyn> ouro: also, each of those card architectures interfaces differently. i'd expect an expresscard to show up on the pci bus
[00:37:59] <_Lewellyn> so there's lots of ways a device could work ;)
[00:38:01] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn:i entered the system maintenance now
[00:38:02] *** capaz has quit IRC
[00:38:27] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn: i need to activate the GUI
[00:38:41] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, unbreak whatever svcs -xv says is broken.
[00:38:55] <Ouro> _Lewellyn: hopefully it looks like a chip sitting on the PCI(e) bus with 2 separate SATA channels
[00:39:17] <_Lewellyn> ouro: it depends on the implementation, surely.
[00:39:21] <Ouro> still, probably wont work with sxce, considering my previous experience :(
[00:40:01] <_Lewellyn> just like in the days of cardbus ethernet. some of the dual-nic cards were 2 separate nics, some were dual-port nics.
[00:40:12] *** bubbva has quit IRC
[00:40:16] <Ouro> yeah true, hard to find these specs through
[00:40:19] <Ouro> *though
[00:40:37] <_Lewellyn> write to the manufacturer's technical support. or their sales team.
[00:41:03] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn: it says alot of things stuff about removable media management and DNS Service discovery
[00:41:12] *** wdp has quit IRC
[00:41:57] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris
[00:42:18] <_Lewellyn> if you write a specific question to support and/or sales (if both, be sure to CC: the message), chances are you'll find out soon enough
[00:42:19] *** alfism has quit IRC
[00:42:19] *** prdelka has quit IRC
[00:42:25] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris
[00:42:45] <_Lewellyn> be sure to find out which chip they use, so you can see if opensolaris is likely to support it :)
[00:43:11] <Ouro> i guess i shoudl google first, i havent researched this too extensively yet :)
[00:43:15] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: sadly, i'm booted into windows and can't be much help at the moment. hopefully someone else here can help you get it to boot into multi-user
[00:43:51] <Ramdac_> anybody here knows how to boot into multi-user
[00:44:08] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn:is there a guide on how to install sxce?
[00:44:16] <oninoshik1> press the power button?
[00:44:28] <Ouro> Ramdac_: it is supposed to just work :)
[00:44:32] <_Lewellyn> "insert dvd, start text installer, answer questions, select full install, reboot"
[00:44:43] *** wdp is now known as [wdp]
[00:44:57] *** [wdp] is now known as wdp
[00:44:59] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn:i've done that but i dont know what is the problem
[00:45:20] <_Lewellyn> i'd check the install log to see if anything failed
[00:45:21] <Ouro> Ramdac_: paste some of the errors you got from svcs to a pastebin, maybe someone will know
[00:45:31] <oninoshik1> considering you haven't yet given us any information, we dont know either.
[00:45:52] <Ramdac_> the errors comes too fast
[00:45:55] <_Lewellyn> look in /var/sadm/somethingsomething/install_log
[00:46:19] <_Lewellyn> again, i'm not in solaris atm, so i can't tell you what somethingsomething is
[00:46:28] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn:how i dont even logged in
[00:46:39] <_Lewellyn> you said you got a login prompt for maintenance
[00:46:41] <Ouro> Ramdac_: how far does the login get?
[00:46:43] <_Lewellyn> so, log in ;)
[00:46:52] <_Lewellyn> just enter the root password there
[00:46:55] *** wdp has quit IRC
[00:47:01] <oninoshik1> Ramdac_: is it immediatly rebooting?
[00:47:04] * ry-tpro kills ssh to get more batterf.. been connected for 5 hours without disconnect!
[00:47:14] <Ramdac_> oninoshik:no
[00:47:32] <oninoshik1> ok, what ARE you getting.
[00:47:56] <_Lewellyn> [16:37] <Ramdac_> _Lewellyn: when i boot to opensolaris there is a lot of warning message coming under each other so quickly and then it says Enter Username for system maintenance at the prompt
[00:48:05] <ry-tpro> email me lew if you want tbhat beta package.
[00:48:09] *** ry-tpro has quit IRC
[00:48:22] <_Lewellyn> good thing i don't have his email... time to sms :P
[00:48:32] <Ouro> anyone know how to beat "defned your castle" ? ")
[00:48:50] <Ouro> or how to use a keyboard, apparently
[00:48:55] <oninoshik1> ahh... you might enter your user name then...
[00:49:25] <Ramdac_> i didnt define a user name yet all i have is the root
[00:49:50] <Ramdac_> when i type display it says unable to open X server
[00:50:28] <_Lewellyn> your username == root, in this case
[00:51:01] <Ramdac_> so i typed it and entered
[00:51:12] <Ramdac_> i got the following errors
[00:51:16] <Ouro> right, so first check the install log
[00:51:39] <_Lewellyn> chances are that the install went south for some reason
[00:52:02] <Ramdac_> 3 paragraphs svc:/network/rpc/smserver:default
[00:52:42] <Ramdac_> and svc:/system/boot-archive:default and svc:/network/dns/multicast:default
[00:52:45] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris
[00:52:58] <_Lewellyn> ok. that boot-archive failing? that's bad
[00:53:02] <_Lewellyn> check the install log.
[00:53:08] <Ramdac_> how?
[00:53:08] * _Lewellyn puts on a broken record
[00:53:14] <Ramdac_> how to cd
[00:53:21] <_Lewellyn> cd /var/sadm
[00:53:34] <_Lewellyn> somewhere under there will be a file called install_log
[00:53:54] <Ouro> find /var/sadm -name install_log
[00:54:14] *** cemerick has quit IRC
[00:54:27] <Ramdac_> it says /var/sadm does not exist
[00:54:37] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris
[00:54:45] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd
[00:55:01] <_Lewellyn> i think it is/var/sadm/install_data/install_log
[00:55:02] *** dunc has quit IRC
[00:55:11] <_Lewellyn> and it sounds like the install broke
[00:55:16] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris
[00:55:18] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[00:55:27] <Ramdac_> so i have too install it again?
[00:55:28] <_Lewellyn> did you install with / and /var on separate datasets?
[00:55:46] <Ramdac_> yes
[00:56:02] *** dmoerner has joined #opensolaris
[00:56:24] <_Lewellyn> try to get /var mounted ;)
[00:56:27] <Ramdac_> i wanted to be like in linux separated
[00:56:30] <Ramdac_> how?
[00:56:40] * _Lewellyn defers to someone who's actually running opensolaris at this very moment
[00:57:11] <_Lewellyn> my only available zfs-root machine is solaris 10 and doesn't have a separate /var
[00:57:26] <_Lewellyn> the rest of my servers are all ufs root ;)
[00:57:27] *** niq has quit IRC
[00:57:31] *** jteo has quit IRC
[00:57:38] <Ouro> Ramdac_: are they all ZFS? run "zpool status <pool name>"
[00:58:13] <Ramdac_> yes state ONLINE
[00:58:27] <_Lewellyn> including your /var dataset?
[00:58:53] <CIA-40> Gordon Ross <Gordon.Ross at Sun dot COM>: 6800703 smbfs default permissions may lead to surprises, 6803511 smbfs client should do something on fsync
[00:58:54] <oninoshik1> zfs mount <Poolname>/ROOT/var
[00:59:06] <_Lewellyn> oh uh oh. this is bad... i just reinstalled my accounting software (into a new database, for various reasons...) and my backup is not restoring...
[00:59:17] <_Lewellyn> gonna be a long night :(
[00:59:32] <oninoshik1> i think thats it... this machine has a nonstandard config, so im going from memory here
[00:59:52] *** kim0 has quit IRC
[00:59:53] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[00:59:56] <_Lewellyn> rpool/ROOT/var it should be
[01:00:36] <Ramdac_> dataset does not exist
[01:00:53] <_Lewellyn> that'd be the problem
[01:01:04] <oninoshik1> try "zfs list | grep var"
[01:01:21] <_Lewellyn> also, which build is this?
[01:01:26] *** pde has quit IRC
[01:01:32] <Ramdac_> the newest one
[01:01:47] <_Lewellyn> and did you check the disc's md5sum after you burnt it?
[01:02:08] <_Lewellyn> takes forever, but it's faster than troubleshooting a failed install
[01:02:23] <Ramdac_> no
[01:02:41] <_Lewellyn> you may wish to do that...
[01:02:48] <CoolMa> Hi all, just did upgrade to opensolaris snv_109, now compiz does not work. Does anybody has an idea?
[01:02:59] <Ramdac_> i succeeded in mounting var
[01:03:00] * _Lewellyn doesn't trust the "verify" phase of burners for things like this
[01:03:10] <_Lewellyn> coolma: which graphics chip?
[01:03:19] <_Lewellyn> i915/i945?
[01:03:21] <Ramdac_> it was zfs mount rpool/ROOT/snv_109/var
[01:03:27] <CoolMa> i915
[01:03:29] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, sounds right.
[01:03:36] <Ramdac_> now what?
[01:03:38] <_Lewellyn> coolma, yup. use 106 :P
[01:04:03] <CoolMa> yes, I WAS using 106 and did upgrade to 109 just now
[01:04:05] <Ouro> Ramdac_: now check install_log
[01:04:13] <_Lewellyn> coolma, 107 brought out a new xorg. it seems that the new intel drivers aren't quite up to snuff on 107 and newer yet.
[01:04:15] <oninoshik1> Ramdac_: like I said, it was from memory
[01:04:32] <CoolMa> so wait still?
[01:04:57] <_Lewellyn> coolma, there's bugs in bugzilla. i don't know their current state, offhand. you may wish to check :)
[01:05:05] <oninoshik1> CoolMa: revert to 106 for now, please try again later
[01:05:19] <CoolMa> ok, will do so, thanks!
[01:05:28] <_Lewellyn> coolma, if 106 did what you need, stick with it. it was most recent "good" build for i915 users
[01:05:55] <CoolMa> yes but no virtual network drivers :-(
[01:06:33] <_Lewellyn> coolma, check with me before upgrading to 110. i'll be installing it as soon as i can get the sxce iso downloaded, in about a week ;) i will gladly let you know what i observe on my i945 laptop :)
[01:07:01] <CoolMa> I will be here :-)
[01:07:12] <_Lewellyn> as will i ;)
[01:07:23] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris
[01:07:30] <_Lewellyn> and you'll either hear grumbling or cheering from me. or, most likely, a bit of both :)
[01:07:35] <CoolMa> _Lewlllyn: :-)
[01:08:40] <Ramdac_> guys i've opened the install log
[01:09:00] <Ramdac_> now?
[01:09:00] <_Lewellyn> what's it say?
[01:09:11] <_Lewellyn> it should list all success :)
[01:09:14] <Plazma> WHAT YOU SAY
[01:09:26] *** warrenstrange has left #opensolaris
[01:09:27] <Ramdac_> ok till now all success
[01:09:27] <_Lewellyn> someone set us up the bomb
[01:09:45] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, *nothing* failed?
[01:09:46] <Ouro> you wont survive make your time
[01:10:44] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, at the end of the file, there should be a list of packages that installed followed by a list that failed
[01:11:51] <Ramdac_> nothing failed
[01:12:00] <Ramdac_> all was successful
[01:12:36] <_Lewellyn> hm. try: init 6
[01:12:47] <_Lewellyn> see if it rebuilds your boot archive
[01:12:57] <_Lewellyn> if that doesn't work, try to touch /reconfigure
[01:13:01] <_Lewellyn> then init 6 again :)
[01:13:11] <oninoshik1> did we have him do a svcs -xv?
[01:13:34] <bsdbandit> im looking at comstar i have a virtual machine running opensolaris 11 2008  do i need a fc card or is this all virtual ?
[01:13:37] <Ouro> yeah he got a bunch of errors, probably because /var did not mount
[01:13:47] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: yes. he failed to go multi-user
[01:13:55] <Ramdac_> guys how do i exit from emacs :D
[01:14:00] *** niq has joined #opensolaris
[01:14:03] <_Lewellyn> do you want to save?
[01:14:22] <Ramdac_> no
[01:14:23] *** twbray has left #opensolaris
[01:14:29] <_Lewellyn> if not, i think it's ^X ^C
[01:15:14] <Ouro> ctrl-z, then killall emacs :)
[01:17:25] <Ramdac_> guys it doesnt want to exit
[01:17:39] <_Lewellyn> just suspend it and init 6 ;)
[01:19:04] *** cwebber has quit IRC
[01:20:16] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC
[01:20:24] <Ramdac_> when i typed init6 it said failed to unpack stat data
[01:20:28] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris
[01:21:22] <Ramdac_> and the system is coming down after 80 service been stopped
[01:21:42] *** gaveen has quit IRC
[01:22:34] *** CoolMa has left #opensolaris
[01:22:43] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris
[01:22:46] <Ramdac_> now what??
[01:23:26] <Ouro> now it should be rebooting?
[01:23:28] *** bahumbug has quit IRC
[01:23:33] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris
[01:23:51] <Ramdac_> yes it rebooted
[01:24:00] *** stewart has quit IRC
[01:24:08] <Ouro> still single user?
[01:24:18] <Ramdac_> and waiting to start the prompt
[01:24:21] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris
[01:25:11] <Ramdac_> hurray it started the GUI
[01:26:06] *** evocallaghan2 has joined #opensolaris
[01:26:07] <_Lewellyn> woo.
[01:26:10] <Ouro> heh
[01:26:22] <_Lewellyn> so your boot archive failed to generate, for some reason. funky.
[01:26:28] <Ramdac_> wow guys thank you very very much
[01:26:46] <Ramdac_> i dont know how to thank u guys,really
[01:26:51] <Ouro> i would try to reinstall and see what went wrong
[01:27:42] *** scoffin has quit IRC
[01:29:23] *** Cass1 has quit IRC
[01:29:44] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris
[01:30:14] *** alain10 has quit IRC
[01:31:11] <Ramdac_> guys where i can find the language support? i've searched in the adminstration?
[01:31:42] <_Lewellyn> define "language support"
[01:32:34] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris
[01:32:37] *** prdelka has quit IRC
[01:32:42] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris
[01:32:44] *** Ramdac_ has quit IRC
[01:33:14] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris
[01:33:50] *** Ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[01:34:03] *** Cass has quit IRC
[01:34:17] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris
[01:34:35] *** Ramdac_ has quit IRC
[01:35:23] <Ouro> well, now i am tempted to build this RAID box from scratch using some mini-itx board
[01:35:36] <Ouro> i wonder which approach will be more of a pain
[01:37:12] *** init3 has quit IRC
[01:38:21] *** aadikr123 has joined #opensolaris
[01:38:42] <aadikr123> hi
[01:39:00] <aadikr123> can anyone tell me how to add user profile onto sun smart card
[01:39:01] <aadikr123> ??
[01:40:29] <trichobezoar> No idea...  It's probably documented through
[01:41:03] <_Lewellyn> it's sun. it's documented somewhere, to some degree :)
[01:41:32] <Ouro> 0 <= degree < Inf
[01:41:44] <cypromis> there is probably tons of documentation about it
[01:41:49] <cypromis> but you will need a week to find it
[01:42:04] <_Lewellyn> and it's probably under an unrelated title.
[01:43:08] *** evocallaghan1 has quit IRC
[01:43:15] *** mega has quit IRC
[01:43:22] <e^ipi> docs.sun.com is actually good these days though
[01:43:31] <e^ipi> search works, finally
[01:43:36] <Cass> interestingly enough the first hit on google for add user profile to sun smart card provides a wealth of information
[01:43:51] <_Lewellyn> cass, unsurprising
[01:44:13] <Cass> i admit i was surprized the search engine did its job
[01:46:01] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris
[01:46:51] *** niq has quit IRC
[01:50:10] <Ouro> later
[01:50:12] *** Ouro has quit IRC
[01:53:53] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris
[01:54:42] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris
[01:55:40] *** aadikr123 has quit IRC
[01:56:11] *** esok has left #opensolaris
[01:58:50] <CIA-40> Eric Saxe <Eric.Saxe at Sun dot COM>: 6812782 additional cmt lineage validation logic needed to defend against buggy _PSDs
[01:58:57] <trichobezoar> whoa there now
[01:59:04] <trichobezoar> lets not start a crusade against bugs
[01:59:50] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris
[02:01:41] *** stevel has quit IRC
[02:06:36] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[02:09:14] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris
[02:13:23] *** JWheeler has quit IRC
[02:13:46] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC
[02:17:40] *** evocallaghan2 is now known as evocallaghan
[02:18:59] *** joanmarie has joined #opensolaris
[02:20:54] *** comay has quit IRC
[02:22:38] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris
[02:23:29] <eklof> Is it safe to export a pool and import it to change name?
[02:23:42] <eklof> Or is there another way to change the name of a pool
[02:28:14] *** geppy has joined #opensolaris
[02:28:26] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC
[02:29:02] <geppy> My Logitech keyboard's multimedia keys aren't doing anything on OpenSolaris.  I checked xev, and it's not even receiving events for them.  What do I need to do?
[02:30:33] <_Lewellyn> wait for someone to finish multimedia key support?:)
[02:30:40] <geppy> haha
[02:30:43] <_Lewellyn> or contribute to the project
[02:30:46] <geppy> What needs to be done?
[02:31:05] <_Lewellyn> i don't know. i've not really looked into what the status of that project is
[02:31:43] <geppy> Righto, thanks.  would that be the "USB HID driver enhancement project"?
[02:31:47] <_Lewellyn> the only multimedia "keys" that interest me atm are my volume knob and my mute key.
[02:31:49] <_Lewellyn> probably.
[02:31:55] <geppy> Yeah, and neither of those work on mine. :(
[02:32:17] <_Lewellyn> the only thing that works for me are my brightness keys. and i'm not 100% sure they're sent as HID events
[02:32:36] <geppy> ah, yeah
[02:32:44] <_Lewellyn> i would look in xev, but i'm not booted into opensolaris atm :(
[02:41:00] *** Cass_ has joined #opensolaris
[02:42:08] *** Cass has quit IRC
[02:42:32] *** Cass_ is now known as Cass
[02:43:18] *** Cass has quit IRC
[02:43:30] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris
[02:45:14] *** derchris^ has joined #opensolaris
[02:46:03] *** derchris has quit IRC
[02:46:26] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[02:46:56] *** derchris^ is now known as derchris
[02:47:36] *** e-jat has quit IRC
[02:49:47] *** chrisr has joined #opensolaris
[02:49:48] *** gretel_ has quit IRC
[02:49:54] *** geppy has left #opensolaris
[02:50:31] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris
[02:50:44] *** gretel has quit IRC
[02:56:16] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC
[02:56:35] *** pde has joined #opensolaris
[02:56:56] *** pde has quit IRC
[02:57:34] *** pde has joined #opensolaris
[02:57:35] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris
[02:58:49] <CIA-40> Jan Setje-Eilers <Jan.Setje-Eilers at Sun dot COM>: 6816519 pxegrub: infer configfile from bootfile to reduce reliance on site option 150
[03:10:40] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[03:15:47] *** RyShask_ has joined #opensolaris
[03:15:55] <RyShask_> yo yo yo mtv raps!
[03:16:08] <RyShask_> Aaaah the bliss of proper font rendering under windows....
[03:16:14] <RyShask_> you know what
[03:16:17] *** RyShask_ is now known as Ry_crt
[03:16:19] <Ry_crt> there we go
[03:16:23] <Ry_crt> I pay tribute.
[03:16:26] <oninoshiko> you got windows to do anything properly?
[03:16:35] <Ry_crt> mostly everything.
[03:16:45] <Ry_crt> works better than os x. that's for certain.
[03:17:03] <Ry_crt> my hope is opensolaris will shore up and I can migrate to that on my laptop
[03:17:22] <oninoshiko> SXCE is working fine on mine
[03:17:29] <Ry_crt> it works on all my hardware.
[03:17:32] <Ry_crt> but it's a little rough still.
[03:17:37] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: you have S4 suspend to disk? ;)
[03:17:41] <Ry_crt> lol
[03:17:56] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: i've never used that on any OS ever
[03:18:08] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: I havent used that on anything
[03:18:18] <_Lewellyn> you guys don't hibernate your laptops?
[03:18:21] <Ry_crt> Tis why I use windows.
[03:18:21] <e^ipi> no
[03:18:22] <oninoshiko> i really dont understand your obsession, frankly
[03:18:24] <e^ipi> i put mine to sleep
[03:18:26] <_Lewellyn> it definitely prevents reboots
[03:18:34] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi, S3 still uses battery.
[03:18:36] <e^ipi> it takes longer to un-S4 than it does to boot
[03:18:38] <e^ipi> so who gives a crap
[03:18:43] <e^ipi> just shutdown, startup
[03:18:46] <Ry_crt> won't on flash hard disks.
[03:19:01] <_Lewellyn> and it takes longer to get your environment to exactly how it was.
[03:19:11] <Ry_crt> ^what he said.
[03:19:14] <oninoshiko> Ry_crt: flash writes slower then spinning rust
[03:19:19] <Ry_crt> no it doesn't.
[03:19:20] <_Lewellyn> maybe *you* don't keep 4 full virtual desktops...
[03:19:25] <Ry_crt> x25-e.
[03:19:29] <Ry_crt> 190 megs a second.
[03:19:34] <Ry_crt> IN MY LAPTOP.
[03:19:40] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: tell that to some of the Oracle DBAs who are trying to sell me on the merits of SSD
[03:19:45] <wbkang> sounds about right
[03:19:54] <Ry_crt> see, that's the short sighted thinking that keeps other oses from taking windows spot.
[03:20:06] <wbkang> spot on.
[03:20:07] <Ry_crt> anyway, back to work :)
[03:20:11] <oninoshiko> Ry_crt: then you have more dollars then sence
[03:20:19] <Ry_crt> that's a great comeback.
[03:20:23] <Ry_crt> I didn't buy this drive.
[03:20:24] <Ry_crt> work provided.
[03:20:37] <Ry_crt> I have a lot more sense than you know.
[03:20:44] <_Lewellyn> likewise. still looking for a replacement accounting app, or a way to recover these corrupt files :(
[03:20:45] <Ry_crt> if you want to take personal attacks ;)
[03:20:56] *** proberts has quit IRC
[03:21:14] <e^ipi> it's coming anyways, i just don't see the point
[03:21:27] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC
[03:21:42] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: they are great if you need high read, but are willing to suffer on write side.. great for some apps (see L2ARC)
[03:21:50] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i like being able to put my computer away for 12-14 hours and resume where i was, sometimes.
[03:21:57] <e^ipi> and it's about last on the list of complaints i have with the OS
[03:22:04] *** Jondice has quit IRC
[03:22:11] <e^ipi> right after "doesn't brew coffee" and "my tummy hurts"
[03:22:14] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[03:22:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[03:22:19] <oninoshiko> Ry_crt: not a personal attack, just point out, that intel model is WAY over priced
[03:22:28] <wbkang> _Lewellyn: true. the marginal difference between S3 and (S4 and lower) is massive
[03:22:30] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: um. some SSDs have much higher write rates whan platter disks.
[03:22:45] *** stevel has quit IRC
[03:22:47] <wbkang> and the workflow interruption is not ignorable
[03:22:57] <_Lewellyn> and high-end SSD, you can't meet their IOPS with traditional disks
[03:23:15] <e^ipi> wbkang: you just put your laptop away for 12 hours
[03:23:16] <_Lewellyn> wbkang: exactly. it takes me 10-15 minutes to get back up to "where i was" after a reboot.
[03:23:18] <e^ipi> your workflow is interrupted.
[03:23:33] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: and all of them are insanly over-priced.
[03:23:44] *** piwi has quit IRC
[03:23:48] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: it depends on your needs
[03:23:49] <Ry_crt> In a year, they won't be.
[03:23:58] <Ry_crt> and we still won't have proper suspend to disk.
[03:24:03] <Ry_crt> and I'll be using windows 7 or os x.
[03:24:08] <wbkang> e^ipi: not necessarily. like if I'm using a note taking application, and if it's properly set up to sync, I can keep taking notes uninterupted
[03:24:19] <wbkang> at home or wherever you go
[03:24:24] <oninoshiko> can i have your crystal ball? mine is cloudy
[03:24:25] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[03:24:31] <_Lewellyn> and you don't have to rely on your browser's session saving working properly
[03:24:40] <Ry_crt> my crystal ball is knowing people at intel, sun and supermicro.
[03:24:50] <Ry_crt> anwyay.
[03:24:58] <Ry_crt> thanks again lew for the tip on securecrt.
[03:25:02] <Ry_crt> back to work for me.
[03:25:05] <_Lewellyn> my crystal ball with SSD is seeing what's coming out overseas for SSD right now.
[03:25:14] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: as it so happens, my browser's session saving has never failed.
[03:25:22] <Ry_crt> my next "desktop" will probably be a gamin laptop with 2 ssds.
[03:25:37] <Ry_crt> 8 gigs of ram and a 1920x1200 screen for ~1500 bucks.
[03:25:49] <wbkang> oninoshiko: but really, "it works for me" is a really really bad argument, you can find tons of these in linux forums
[03:25:50] <e^ipi> my next desktop will be a niagra box in the attic with a bunch of sunrays hanging off it
[03:25:52] *** e1kg has quit IRC
[03:25:58] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko, opera and firefox both failed on me simultaneously after my battery died (yay no proper battery status in opensolaris, yet) the other day
[03:25:59] <wbkang> and i understand ssds are overpriced
[03:26:03] <_Lewellyn> lost about 250 open tabs
[03:26:04] <Ry_crt> LOL that would be cool e^ipi
[03:26:13] <_Lewellyn> took me about 2 hours to reopen them all
[03:26:20] <e^ipi> Ry_crt: pretty cheap too
[03:26:33] * _Lewellyn likes having windows of tabs on each desktop
[03:26:35] <Ry_crt> *nod* If I worked from home... I would probably have a netbook for out and about computing.
[03:26:39] <_Lewellyn> task-driven web usage
[03:26:54] <e^ipi> a netbook would be /terrible/ for working off
[03:27:04] <e^ipi> keyboards are way too tiny
[03:27:11] <Ry_crt> yeah, just for remote access e^ipi
[03:27:16] <e^ipi> and keep in mind, i like netbooks a lot
[03:27:18] <Ry_crt> I probably wouldn't work away from home really.
[03:27:25] <wbkang> personal preferences.
[03:27:43] <e^ipi> i want one for pulling out when i'm out of the house, at coffee shops or whatever
[03:27:46] <Ry_crt> who knows though.
[03:27:54] <e^ipi> but day-to-day work? my fingers would kill me
[03:28:06] <Ry_crt> I may use my small 12" tablet for the next 3 years at this rate. esp if opensolaris gets the roughness worked out ( which I think it will )
[03:42:31] <dizko> I built an IPS package on a local repository (localhost) and pkg list says its there, but it refuses to install
[03:42:38] <dizko> anyone seen that before?
[03:43:44] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris
[03:43:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd
[03:44:23] *** jamesd has quit IRC
[03:44:39] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris
[03:46:24] *** xtrondo has quit IRC
[03:48:35] *** derchris has quit IRC
[03:52:57] <Ry_crt> fuck.
[03:53:02] <Ry_crt> securecrt not handling screen properly.
[03:53:07] * Ry_crt goes back to putty
[03:54:12] <_Lewellyn> ry, erm why not?
[03:54:21] <Ry_crt> not sure. don't have time to figure it out now.
[03:54:41] <_Lewellyn> i just use a $TERM of xterm
[03:54:43] <Ry_crt> I'm hoping it's as lame as the host I'm connecting to having an improper terminal emulation type set. and screen thinks it's doing the right thing for it.
[03:54:51] <Ry_crt> yeah, xterm is what it is currently. I'm going to try vt100 later.
[03:55:06] <_Lewellyn> screen 4.00.02 (FAU) 5-Dec-03
[03:55:17] <_Lewellyn> if it's a linux host, try xterm-color
[03:55:26] <_Lewellyn> or whatever the 256-color xterm is there
[03:55:34] <Ry_crt> screen 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06
[03:55:42] <Ry_crt> yeah. I'll try that shit later :)
[03:55:54] <Ry_crt> gotta get back to work before I leave I gotta get some stuff done :)
[03:58:26] *** Gekz_ has quit IRC
[03:59:48] *** prdelka has quit IRC
[03:59:55] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris
[04:07:11] * Ry_crt reboots opensolaris server, goes for a quick break :)
[04:07:45] * oninoshiko watches hulu
[04:09:11] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris
[04:09:57] <Ry_crt> hulu is good
[04:10:45] <Ry_crt> holy crap, the extended battery for the htc touch pro is 2400 Mah
[04:10:46] <Ry_crt> wtf
[04:10:49] *** chode has quit IRC
[04:10:52] <oninoshiko> i would like them to pick up CBS' content
[04:12:14] *** lenzi has joined #opensolaris
[04:12:35] *** joanie1 has joined #opensolaris
[04:13:10] *** authentic has quit IRC
[04:13:12] <lenzi> hello, can someone help me with spec-files-2.24????
[04:13:24] <eklof> I have an annoying old pool that's faulted when listing zpool import
[04:14:05] <eklof> I can't import it, is it possible to destroy an exported pool so it won't be shown at all?
[04:14:08] *** joanie1 has quit IRC
[04:14:36] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris
[04:15:00] <lenzi> hello, can someone help me with spec-files-2.24????
[04:15:26] <JWheeler> here's an  interesting problem. I've managed to remove the primary administrator role from myself, and I can't su to get it back again. What can I do to fix that again *blush*
[04:15:42] <oninoshiko> eklof: I ended up in a situation like this, I was stuck there until one of the more recent releases which allowed me to destroy it
[04:15:52] <eklof> oninoshiko: oh ok.
[04:15:59] <eklof> Well I'l leave it for know.
[04:16:01] <eklof> now
[04:16:31] <eklof> I tried zpool destroy <id> but it didn't work
[04:17:03] <oninoshiko> eklof: what version are you on?
[04:17:09] <eklof> 101
[04:17:25] <oninoshiko> hrm, I think i was able to do it in 107
[04:18:06] <oninoshiko> although im not sure if it was that, or some disruption that occered during the upgrade process.
[04:18:15] <eklof> offline         3:04:15 svc:/network/nfs/server:default
[04:18:15] <eklof> offline         3:04:15 svc:/network/smb/server:default
[04:18:32] <eklof> I tried to online those with svcadm enable but they stay offline
[04:18:37] <eklof> Why? :=)
[04:18:47] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris
[04:19:09] <lenzi> elkof, I build a opensolaris pen-drive using 2008.11, boot from it, and did the trick using zpool export xxx and then zpool destroy xxx
[04:19:15] *** e-jat has quit IRC
[04:19:31] <oninoshiko> JWheeler: An SXCE disk can get you a command prompt which should permit to to clean everthing up.
[04:19:33] <eklof> lenzi: when trying that it only say there is no such pool
[04:20:01] <oninoshiko> I image the OSOL disk has a similar function?
[04:20:07] <eklof> http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-72
[04:20:12] <lenzi> hummmm....
[04:20:45] <eklof> it's an old id from when the disks were used in a linux zfs-fuse config
[04:20:59] <lenzi> by the way, your zpool was in a nfs drive??????
[04:21:09] <eklof> I then recreated a pool in opensolaris
[04:21:24] *** joanmarie has quit IRC
[04:21:24] <eklof> lenzi: no that's a separate problem
[04:21:43] <oninoshiko> eklof: if you want to try getting cute, you can try renaming /etc/zfs/zpool.cache
[04:21:52] <oninoshiko> from a boot disk
[04:22:21] <oninoshiko> i think that's the file...
[04:22:21] <eklof> well I don't go there, it's not a big problem
[04:23:07] <eklof> a bit annoyed when exporting the opensolaris pool and got two exported pools with same name
[04:23:21] <eklof> and had to import using id, which went perfectly.
[04:23:25] <lenzi> ok.   I did not try zfs on top of nfs... stilll
[04:23:39] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris
[04:24:13] <oninoshiko> ok, im going back to hulu... "its time to vegitate!"
[04:24:34] *** JWheeler has quit IRC
[04:25:51] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris
[04:26:06] <lenzi> well, I am trying to build gnome 2.24, the doc from sun says I need to use pkgtool --download build-only SUNWblah.spec
[04:26:22] <lenzi> the problem is that there is no SUNWblah.spec
[04:26:41] <lenzi> any ideas????
[04:26:52] <oninoshiko> now thats a real question!
[04:27:21] * oninoshiko hide huli
[04:27:51] <oninoshiko> what is the name of the spec file you need?
[04:31:59] *** pde_ has joined #opensolaris
[04:32:11] *** pde_ has quit IRC
[04:34:24] *** hotaru2k3 has joined #OpenSolaris
[04:36:19] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris
[04:36:41] <lenzi> the documentation, says that to build the gnome I need the file  SUNWblah.spec
[04:37:26] <lenzi> is this an example or is this the name of the "thing"????
[04:37:44] <oninoshiko> this is an example
[04:37:59] <oninoshiko> "blah" should be the name of what you want to build
[04:38:13] <lenzi> Oh.... excuse me for the silly question,   english is not my primary language....
[04:39:50] <lenzi> by the way, in the spec directory, there are hundreds of spec files,  I intend to build the gnome 2.24 full with epiphany, gstreamer, xine, totem-xinet, agg...  so there must be an spec file that buils it all (or at least part of)...
[04:40:18] *** prdelka has quit IRC
[04:40:19] <lenzi> Please do you know if is there such a spec file?????
[04:41:03] <oninoshiko> there should be individual spec files for each component
[04:42:16] <eklof> grrr. I don't manage to get that smb and nfs online again!! :(
[04:42:27] <lenzi> so... there is not an spec file that build all or part of it??? I need the build sequence...
[04:42:54] <eklof> root@nas:/etc/zfs# svcadm enable -r smb/server
[04:42:54] <eklof> svcadm: svc:/milestone/network depends on svc:/network/physical, which has multiple instances.
[04:43:17] <eklof> whatr the problem is? :)
[04:46:53] <DerSaidin> its ok to ignore that
[04:46:55] <oninoshiko> I doubt there is a makefile in the gnome project that does what you want.
[04:47:31] <lenzi> hum.. will try to search it in the gnome project...
[04:48:57] <oninoshiko> the spec files will almost certainly have to be built seperately.
[04:49:40] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris
[04:50:02] *** Ry_crt has quit IRC
[04:50:10] <lenzi> ok thanks for the help...(clue)... I have a lot to do...
[04:50:19] <oninoshiko> it's an issue because gnome is not a program but a list of them.
[04:51:01] <lenzi> must go..  Cya...
[04:51:31] *** lenzi has quit IRC
[04:53:12] *** authentic has quit IRC
[04:53:37] *** alain10 has quit IRC
[04:58:25] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris
[05:02:21] *** ken has joined #opensolaris
[05:11:51] *** ken1 has quit IRC
[05:14:27] *** bubbva has quit IRC
[05:16:13] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[05:34:55] *** gm152 has quit IRC
[05:35:12] *** erast has joined #opensolaris
[05:38:33] *** evocallaghan is now known as evo_running_NOP
[05:57:23] *** jfisc has quit IRC
[06:01:16] *** dmoerner has quit IRC
[06:03:43] <devians> devians@saito:~$ zpool replace storage c4t1d0
[06:03:43] <devians> cannot open 'c4t1d0': no such device in /dev/dsk
[06:04:10] <devians> what am i doing wrong there? c4t1d0 failed and ive replaced the drive with a spare on the same port.
[06:07:23] <\amethyst> what exactly is the purpose of /usr/bin/fg /usr/bin/alias etc?
[06:08:59] <\amethyst> (and the /usr/bin/ versions of the other sh non-special builtins)
[06:10:54] <\amethyst> /usr/bin/kill makes sense to me, but fg alias cd read do not
[06:13:13] <\amethyst> esp. since those are on the list of things that Posix does not require a PATH search for... or was that different in the past?
[06:19:17] <e^ipi> \amethyst: i'll bet you the man pages tell you /all/ that
[06:19:19] *** RyShask_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:29:30] <devians> no-one? :/
[06:32:56] *** hohum has quit IRC
[06:33:09] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris
[06:37:17] <\amethyst> e^ipi: I was hoping so, too, but shell_builtins(1) and ksh93(1) didn't clue me in any further.  Some of the man pages (e.g. cd and umask) mention what the /usr/bin versions can be used for, but some like fg and bg seem completely useless
[06:37:57] <e^ipi> what of it?
[06:38:03] <e^ipi> $ file /bin/fg
[06:38:17] <e^ipi> /bin/fg: executable /bin/ksh script
[06:39:14] <\amethyst> yes, they're hard links to exactly the same script, which runs the builtin version in ksh
[06:39:34] <e^ipi> correct
[06:40:47] *** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC
[06:41:21] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris
[06:41:25] <e^ipi> maybe i'm not getting what the confusion is
[06:41:50] <e^ipi> a bunch of the userland is ksh93 builtins
[06:41:55] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[06:42:07] <\amethyst> if you run /bin/fg it's going to be in a new utility execution environment, that isn't going to have any jobs
[06:42:21] <\amethyst> so there will never be any jobs for it to bring to the foreground
[06:43:23] <e^ipi> check the ksh93 source to see what it does
[06:43:26] <e^ipi> or ask roland
[06:47:51] <e^ipi> isn't job control the shell's job anyways?
[06:48:26] <\amethyst> I would imagine so
[06:50:30] <devians> oh it was a permissions thing, forgot pfexec. what a terrible error :/
[06:50:55] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris
[06:53:22] *** `Spike has joined #opensolaris
[06:53:31] <`Spike> hmm
[06:53:38] *** Disorganized_ has quit IRC
[06:53:58] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris
[06:54:24] <`Spike> okay so when trying to install svn109 x86, it gets to Configuring /dev then says, "asy0: UART @ 3f8 scratch register: expected 0x5a, got 0xff Cannot identify UART chip at 3f8"
[06:54:30] <`Spike> and then another similiar message, and then it freezes
[06:54:34] <`Spike> any idea what this means?
[07:00:28] <\amethyst> e^ipi:  hm, now I'm reading things (a note from Chet Ramey in comp.unix.questions) that makes me think the relevant parts of Posix changed sometime before SUSv3
[07:00:57] <e^ipi> it's possible
[07:01:09] *** ken has quit IRC
[07:03:29] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris
[07:05:37] <\amethyst> Posix requires that executables exist in PATH for most builtins that are not special builtins---if the PATH search fails, the builtin is *not* run.  SUSv2 lists alias bg cd command etc as exceptions to this rule.
[07:07:49] *** _Hunger- is now known as Hunger-
[07:08:02] <\amethyst> I'm trying to find older versions of Posix and XPG4 to see if this used to be different
[07:11:49] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris
[07:16:35] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC
[07:20:15] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[07:21:07] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC
[07:24:12] *** the-rar has joined #opensolaris
[07:31:21] <\amethyst> Found my answer... it's in modern Posix... 'all of the standard utilities, including the regaular built-ins [ . . . ] shall be implemented in a manner so that they can be accessed via the exec family of functions'
[07:32:16] <\amethyst> it was in the Shell & Utilities introduction, rather than Shell Command Language, which is where I was looking
[07:32:33] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:40:30] *** e-jat has quit IRC
[07:42:46] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris
[07:49:01] *** cmpgt has joined #opensolaris
[07:50:12] *** estibi has quit IRC
[07:55:13] *** PicCard__ has joined #opensolaris
[08:06:44] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris
[08:11:09] *** niq has joined #opensolaris
[08:11:15] *** PicCard_ has quit IRC
[08:12:24] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC
[08:15:47] *** invasive has joined #opensolaris
[08:16:45] <invasive> anyone here running on usblive opensolaris?
[08:18:07] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris
[08:20:29] <invasive> hello...
[08:24:10] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris
[08:24:55] *** gaveen has quit IRC
[08:31:35] <invasive> anyone who is knowledgeable in opensolaris?
[08:33:15] <Chipdancer> no, nobody in here
[08:33:18] <Chipdancer> you want #rhel
[08:33:53] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[08:33:56] <oninoshiko> yes there are lots of people here how are
[08:36:12] <oninoshiko> on the other hand many may be a sleep. or not know about whatever app you want to know about
[08:37:55] <invasive> anyone awake?
[08:38:14] <Chipdancer> well, oninoshiko and I are asleep
[08:38:17] <niq> zzzz
[08:38:31] <Chipdancer> ahh, niq too
[08:39:18] <invasive> haha
[08:39:35] <asyd> who wants come in france talking about dtrace at rmll.info? :)
[08:40:49] <trochej> invasive: I am awake, but I can't guarantee anything.
[08:40:53] <trochej> I only had two coffees
[08:41:06] * fraggeln_ gives trochej coffee
[08:42:10] <trochej> Aaah
[08:42:14] * trochej perks up
[08:42:16] <trochej> a little
[08:42:18] <trochej> :)
[08:42:44] <niq> mmm, coffee
[08:45:48] *** bsdbandit has quit IRC
[08:46:31] <invasive> anyone knows how to make opensolaris usb?
[08:46:50] <_Lewellyn> coffee++
[08:47:04] <_Lewellyn> speaking of caffeination, i should go pick up another venom
[08:47:34] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi
[08:48:06] <trochej> invasive: You mean usb-stick installation?
[08:48:36] <Chipdancer> trochej: I roasted 2kg of green this morning :)
[08:48:41] <trochej> http://blogs.sun.com/rv/entry/getting_opensolaris_into_an_usb
[08:50:10] <trochej> Chipdancer: Khmpf
[08:50:32] <Chipdancer> trochej: actually, some Australian Mountain Top Estate and some Ethiopan Harar Longberry :)
[08:53:22] <codestr0m> coffee?
[08:54:01] <codestr0m> http://want.0xc0ffee.com/ ;) possibly refreshing
[08:54:12] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: ^
[08:56:22] <_Lewellyn> no no. i need something lighter on my stomach than actual coffee right now.
[08:56:31] <_Lewellyn> i ordered "extra spicy" at the thai place earlier...
[08:56:33] <trochej> codestr0m: I won't be fooled second time. There are only some sources and obscured pleas for help!
[08:56:36] <trochej> :)
[08:56:53] <trochej> Actually, they are not obscured
[08:56:54] <trochej> Khm
[08:56:57] <_Lewellyn> let's just say that i'm warmer than usual right now :D
[08:57:12] <codestr0m> trochej: hehehehe.. yes.. tricky coffee addicts everywhere
[08:57:23] <codestr0m> tricking*
[08:58:23] <trochej> :)
[08:58:39] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: you've started roasting now?
[08:58:41] <e^ipi> excellent.
[08:58:45] <e^ipi> ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
[09:00:14] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris
[09:02:15] <_Lewellyn> heh
[09:02:56] <invasive> trochej: where can i get a copy of the distro constructor repository???
[09:03:11] <e^ipi> if he were in north america i could hook him up with some brokers, then we're really cooking ( a bag is 50kg )
[09:03:35] <_Lewellyn> god. you know how long it'd take me to go through 50kg these days? :(
[09:03:45] <_Lewellyn> once upon a time, that was 2 weeks, though...
[09:04:00] <e^ipi> that's 50kg green, about 40kg roasted
[09:04:16] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i mentally reduced it 10%
[09:05:11] <e^ipi> that'd last me about a year and a half ( though i buy it in 15kg increments )
[09:06:38] <_Lewellyn> well, i once drank coffee like water. and all my guests were just as bad.
[09:06:51] <_Lewellyn> always had water ready
[09:06:51] <e^ipi> heh
[09:08:27] *** gerard13 has quit IRC
[09:09:52] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris
[09:10:28] <e^ipi> I drank coffee like that when i had shitty coffee
[09:11:09] <e^ipi> since the stuff i drink now actually has flavour, and can be enjoyed, I don't...
[09:11:32] <e^ipi> like wine
[09:11:44] <e^ipi> if all you want is to get drunk, you drink some cheap shitty german plonk
[09:11:56] <e^ipi> if you actually enjoy it, you have a glass here and there of some actual quality stuff
[09:11:58] *** stewart has quit IRC
[09:12:50] <_Lewellyn> speaking of booze... that i have handy...
[09:13:21] <_Lewellyn> mmm... sailor jerry...
[09:13:29] <e^ipi> the only booze i've got handy is a mickey of gin minus 2oz
[09:13:34] <e^ipi> i hate gin
[09:14:10] <_Lewellyn> what kind of gin?
[09:14:17] <e^ipi> cheap gin
[09:14:20] <_Lewellyn> ew
[09:14:30] <_Lewellyn> anchor steam makes a nice gin
[09:14:47] <e^ipi> gin would be fine if they left out the juniper berries
[09:14:50] <e^ipi> then it'd be vodka
[09:15:05] <_Lewellyn> nah. gin would be fine if they didn't use crap ingredients and overdo the pine
[09:16:22] <_Lewellyn> do you drink london or plymouth gin?
[09:16:28] * _Lewellyn suspects london
[09:16:47] <_Lewellyn> sloe's good too, upon occasion
[09:16:48] <e^ipi> i don't drink gin
[09:17:09] <e^ipi> i tend to avoid it whenever possible
[09:17:24] <e^ipi> i was testing a theory ( making a cocktail actually ) so i have this bottle
[09:17:35] <_Lewellyn> london gin tends to be astringent
[09:17:45] <e^ipi> i also have some campari, and some red vermouth ( i also hate vermouth. campari's ok )
[09:17:49] <_Lewellyn> try a plymouth gin sometime, and leave out the tonic.
[09:18:13] <_Lewellyn> sloe gin's too sweet for my tastes, and it's nigh impossible to find an old tom gin these days
[09:18:45] <e^ipi> I think i probably need to go to a decent high-end cocktail bar and order something with gin in it before I completely write it off
[09:19:03] <e^ipi> ( because damned if I'm going to spend $50 on a bottle of alcohol that I don't even like )
[09:19:05] <_Lewellyn> the absolute lowest-grade gin i will drink is bombay sapphire
[09:19:50] <_Lewellyn> that's best mixed with sprite (not 7-up or sierra mist, you can tell the difference and they taste like ass with gin)
[09:22:10] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[09:23:12] <e^ipi> i'm not much of a cocktail geek
[09:23:43] <e^ipi> you have a favourite cocktail, or do you drink things neat?
[09:24:12] <_Lewellyn> most things i drink neat
[09:24:21] <_Lewellyn> then again, i don't drink crap
[09:24:28] <e^ipi> true
[09:24:32] <_Lewellyn> for cocktails, i often go with a chambord martini
[09:24:52] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris
[09:24:58] <_Lewellyn> chambord and a good (preferably vanilla potato) vodka
[09:25:08] <_Lewellyn> no vermouth :P
[09:26:49] <_Lewellyn> btw, this keeps making the rounds on twitter, so i figure i should share it on irc ;)
[09:26:51] <_Lewellyn> http://www.squidspot.com/Periodic_Table_of_Typefaces/Periodic_Table_of_Typefaces_large.jpg
[09:26:57] *** kate21de has quit IRC
[09:30:48] *** invasive has left #opensolaris
[09:34:13] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris
[09:40:17] *** sndcrb has quit IRC
[09:44:51] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC
[09:45:36] *** goo1 has joined #opensolaris
[09:45:39] *** goo1 has left #opensolaris
[09:47:07] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris
[09:50:25] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[09:53:23] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris
[09:53:30] <e^ipi> hmm... gin in starbucks passion tea is actually good
[09:53:55] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris
[09:54:18] <_Lewellyn> gin + fruity tea is generally good, yes.
[09:54:36] <fraggeln_> sounds a bit fruity to me... :D
[09:54:38] <_Lewellyn> if i had some sloe gin, i've got some strawberry tea i bet it'd be good in
[09:55:59] <e^ipi> fraggeln_: when i worked there we got a box of tea or a pound of coffee a week for free
[09:56:11] <e^ipi> i drink better coffee than that so i have a pretty big stockpile of tea & iced tea
[09:56:36] <_Lewellyn> heh. i know starbucks employees with rooms full of tea and coffee. like, literally.
[09:56:49] <fraggeln_> thievs! :D
[09:56:59] <_Lewellyn> visit them and it's like "want some? i can't open the door anymore!"
[09:57:23] <_Lewellyn> fraggln_: no, it's a "benefit" of working there
[09:57:41] *** deena has joined #opensolaris
[10:01:20] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris
[10:02:17] <e^ipi> yeah, you get paid shit but at least you don't have to buy coffee or tea
[10:02:38] <e^ipi> mind you, given the class of business it's in ( low level food service ) the pay's decent
[10:07:22] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris
[10:09:46] *** Caino has quit IRC
[10:09:49] *** Caino_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[10:10:16] *** Caino_ has quit IRC
[10:11:55] *** Caino has joined #OpenSolaris
[10:12:20] *** Caino has quit IRC
[10:12:36] *** Caino has joined #OpenSolaris
[10:14:02] *** Caino has quit IRC
[10:14:28] *** deena has quit IRC
[10:15:22] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: I've been roasting for over a year now :)
[10:15:30] <Chipdancer> I bought a HotTop KN8228P last year
[10:15:36] <e^ipi> i did not know that
[10:15:51] <Chipdancer> but I got to raost on a Giessen 1Kg commercial sample roaster today (worth AUD$15,000)
[10:16:24] <e^ipi> i'm thinking of picking up a hottop
[10:16:30] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: I've got 104.2Kg of new green coming my way soon
[10:16:42] <e^ipi> anything interesting?
[10:17:37] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: 1 box Daterra Sweet (24.2Kg) and 20Kg each of PNG Kimmel Pb, Ethiopan Harar "Clotide", Nicaraguan RFA SHG "La Bastilla" and El Salvador Bourbon SHG "Vista Bella" Estate
[10:19:01] <Chipdancer> I had some Kimel Pb today as an SO Short Mac and it was awesome
[10:19:08] <Chipdancer> so I'm looking forward to my supply arriving!
[10:19:20] <e^ipi> cool, looks like a decent order
[10:20:02] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris
[10:20:53] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris
[10:22:56] *** ricardo-vlh has joined #opensolaris
[10:24:19] *** xilo has joined #opensolaris
[10:24:29] <xilo> hello
[10:25:01] *** xilo has left #opensolaris
[10:30:09] <sickness> morning all
[10:30:51] *** jfndi has quit IRC
[10:37:11] <e^ipi> the europeans are waking up, i should really get to bed
[10:37:20] <_Lewellyn> 104.2Kg? do you sell or something?
[10:37:34] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i was thinking the same. maybe i'll forgo the rum
[10:37:49] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: green coffee lasts a year at least
[10:37:56] <e^ipi> more if you vacuum pack it and freeze
[10:38:20] <_Lewellyn> still. 100 kg is a lot. :)
[10:38:25] <e^ipi> true
[10:38:26] *** ken1 has quit IRC
[10:38:47] <e^ipi> my stash is about 50kg at any given time
[10:38:48] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris
[10:39:04] <e^ipi> less now because i'm moving
[10:39:38] <e^ipi> hauling 50kg of coffee around just seems unnecessary
[10:42:36] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris
[10:44:40] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris
[10:45:35] *** ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[10:48:25] *** ken has joined #opensolaris
[10:49:05] <ramdac_> guys in sxce when i try to enable the effects it says Desktop effects cannot be enabled
[10:49:22] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, are you using i915/i945?
[10:49:51] <ramdac_> _Lewellyn:what are those first?
[10:50:04] <_Lewellyn> graphics controllers, in this case
[10:50:21] <ramdac_> no i'm using nvidia GO 6100
[10:50:25] <_Lewellyn> hm...
[10:50:39] * _Lewellyn thinks
[10:50:51] <ramdac_> and the driver is set on
[10:51:57] <_Lewellyn> what does /usr/bin/compiz tell you in an xterm/gnome-terminal?
[10:52:36] *** Caino has joined #OpenSolaris
[10:53:40] *** saohh has quit IRC
[10:54:22] *** sjaz has joined #opensolaris
[10:54:42] <ramdac_> do i open /usr/bin/compiz?
[10:55:39] <_Lewellyn> type that in the terminal and hit enter
[10:55:56] *** sejo is now known as evilsejo
[10:56:28] <_Lewellyn> also, i need help searching bugzilla, if anyone is around with bugzilla-fu
[10:57:01] <e^ipi> bugzilla is broken
[10:57:20] <e^ipi> or rather, it has very limited utility in opensolaris
[10:57:22] <ramdac_> it says syntax error at line 24L'else'unexpected
[10:57:26] <_Lewellyn> well, i want to craft a query which will return all bugs between #7000 and 7150
[10:57:27] *** evilsejo is now known as sejo
[10:57:40] <_Lewellyn> ramdac, yeah. that's on my to-be-reported list :P
[10:57:44] <e^ipi> oh , you mean bugzilla in general
[10:57:48] <e^ipi> not defect.os.o
[10:57:49] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi, yes
[10:57:54] <_Lewellyn> well, defect.o.o
[10:58:06] <_Lewellyn> but it's a general bugzilla question ;)
[10:58:12] *** sejo is now known as goodsejo
[10:58:27] <ramdac_> _Lewellyn: u mean u also didn't enable compiz
[10:58:29] <e^ipi> bugs.opensolaris.org is where you should file bugs that you actually want anyone to pay attention to
[10:58:38] *** goodsejo is now known as sejo
[10:58:41] <_Lewellyn> i can't remember the search term that brings up the bug i'm seeking (it's on my opensolaris browser bookmarks, and i can't get it to boot in virtualization under windows), and i know it's in that range
[10:59:10] <palowoda> ramdac_: Is the nv or nvidia module loaded?
[10:59:13] <_Lewellyn> ramdac_: yes. but for other reasons besides that. that one is new in 109, afaict.
[10:59:26] <_Lewellyn> palowoda: /usr/bin/compiz is broken. try it yourself under 109 :)
[10:59:49] <ramdac_> palowoda:yes the nvidia x server setting is there
[11:00:21] <palowoda> Hmm wait your right I think it said it was fixed in 110.
[11:00:55] <ramdac_> guys is there in opensolaris something like package manager?
[11:03:04] <_Lewellyn> osol has pkg; there's none for sxce right now.
[11:03:39] <ramdac_> then what if i need to install some sort of programs
[11:03:48] *** wbkang has quit IRC
[11:04:29] <palowoda> Which programs?
[11:05:15] <palowoda> Actually I don't see a fix for compiz in 110.
[11:05:32] <ramdac_> any programs i just said for example
[11:06:10] <ramdac_> the second issue i want to dual boot ubuntu and opensolaris how to do that?
[11:06:54] <_Lewellyn> which programs? :P
[11:07:02] <Chipdancer> _Lewellyn: I have about another 40Kgs in stock dowstairs
[11:07:10] <palowoda> edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:07:12] <Chipdancer> _Lewellyn: I sell to friends, perhaps .5Kg/week
[11:07:21] <_Lewellyn> and i think you can just include ubuntu's menu.lst into the opensolaris one
[11:07:26] <_Lewellyn> chipdancer: nice
[11:08:07] <palowoda> ramdac_: Do you mean many any programs?
[11:08:59] <ramdac_> palowoda:but what to write in it need since i still didnt mount the logical partition's nested drives
[11:09:08] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: you can google sfe-bootstrap for getting started with SFE
[11:09:47] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[11:10:09] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: iirc, grub has an "include" keyword. in ubuntu, find out which disk/partition it's on and include the menu.lst. e.g. include hd(0,3)/boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:10:58] <ramdac_> ok what is the equivalent of fdisk -l in solaris?
[11:11:59] <tsoome> what is fdiskl -l?:P
[11:12:10] <DukeNuke2> format
[11:12:14] <e^ipi> fdisk is something that format(1M) calls programatically
[11:12:17] <e^ipi> you shouldn't touch it
[11:12:40] <ramdac_> no but in linux i use to list the partitions that i have
[11:12:51] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: i think it is the same as fdisk with no options.
[11:13:03] <_Lewellyn> (and at which point, it is wise to just quit fdisk)
[11:13:35] <tsoome> i really dont use linux and cant care to google for it:P
[11:14:00] <tsoome> if you expect we all know every stupid linux app and switches, you are wrong:D
[11:16:30] *** capitano has joined #opensolaris
[11:17:00] <ramdac_> ok i need a command to display all the drives i have
[11:17:22] <ramdac_> so i could know which is the ubuntu partition
[11:17:25] *** cmpgt has quit IRC
[11:19:38] <_Lewellyn> what solaris says is not the same as what grub thinks, necessarily
[11:19:51] <_Lewellyn> that's why i said to find out what's in the ubuntu menu.lst
[11:20:19] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[11:20:26] *** micols has joined #opensolaris
[11:20:45] <ramdac_> ok i'll log off and try the livecd of ubuntu
[11:21:24] <ramdac_> ok but what about the other NTFS drives
[11:21:26] <palowoda> Actually the prtpart program may do it.  It's part of the ntfs/ext2/3 tools from the belenix site.
[11:21:57] <ramdac_> palowoda:i'll try it
[11:23:14] <palowoda> The FSWfsmisc.tar.gz package.
[11:23:25] *** capitano has quit IRC
[11:23:31] <sjaz> Hey, sorry, I've checked out the docs but I can't find an answer to my question. - I've enabled Active Directory authentication with SGD (on Open Solaris 10) and that all works fine except now I've lost admin rights under the "administrator" account. Can anyone help in either a) turning AD auth off so it uses the old administrator account or b) somehow modifying how sgd knows who's an admin or not? - Many thanks for your time in advance.
[11:26:14] <palowoda> ramdac_: It's over on: http://www.belenix.org/content/Download
[11:26:26] <ramdac_> ya i got it
[11:26:51] <tsoome> ramdac_: you get list of hdd with echo|format :D
[11:27:59] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[11:28:02] <palowoda> He is looking for the primary partions not the disks.
[11:29:25] <palowoda> Opps I could have made a mistake prtpart maybe in FSWpart.tar.gz.
[11:29:53] <palowoda> You might need both packages anyways.
[11:33:33] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[11:36:18] <ramdac_> i've displayed the partitions
[11:37:03] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: that doesn't tell you the hd(X,X) format that grub uses, still, i don't think.
[11:37:43] <ramdac_> the linux native at the # 8 and #0
[11:37:51] <ramdac_> so is that means hd(0,8)?
[11:40:36] <_Lewellyn> that doesn't look right to me
[11:40:51] <ramdac_> me too :)
[11:40:54] <_Lewellyn> again, ubuntu's menu.lst will tell you fastest
[11:41:02] <_Lewellyn> you could have rebooted, looked, and been back already
[11:43:51] *** ramdac_ has quit IRC
[11:44:33] <palowoda> Guess he is going to look.
[11:45:09] <oenone> moin
[11:46:11] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris
[11:46:26] <lblume> 'evening
[11:47:21] <palowoda> 'morning
[11:47:31] <trochej> Coffee
[11:48:13] <lblume> Even on weekends?!
[11:48:40] <_Lewellyn> hm. i have a can of RC. it's almost 4am. i guess i should drink it
[11:48:43] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris
[11:48:52] <_Lewellyn> since i've given up on these corrupt 7z files :(
[11:48:53] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris
[11:50:12] <oenone> would solaris be a good choice for a 1.4GHz pentium M laptop with 2G ram and 150GB HDD?
[11:50:12] <lblume> RC?
[11:50:24] <palowoda> The one with the mad mad taste.
[11:50:29] <trochej> oenone: Yup
[11:50:54] <trochej> lblume: What? Weekends are ideal for a noncasual cup of coffee
[11:50:59] <trochej> Every 30 minutes
[11:51:06] <palowoda> What Royal Crown cola.
[11:51:26] <lblume> oenone: Depends more on the hardware around that, but those days, OpenSolaris has a good support.
[11:51:55] <palowoda> I hate the generic term OpenSolaris.
[11:52:05] <lblume> So do I.
[11:52:12] <oenone> thinkpad X31
[11:52:16] <lblume> But we've been told to shut up about it, so there.
[11:53:38] <_Lewellyn> oenone, depending on the chipset, yes.
[11:53:42] <lblume> oenone: Have you had a look at the HCL? Or easier, run the hardware test that will tell you if it's supported, what's the name of that thing?
[11:53:54] <lblume> pa
[11:54:04] <lblume> palowoda: What about that royal thing?
[11:54:28] *** ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[11:54:30] <_Lewellyn> lblume, it's a cola
[11:54:36] <x58> Solaris CE :D
[11:54:49] <ramdac_> guys i've just got the menu.lst
[11:54:53] <ramdac_> of ubuntu
[11:55:25] <palowoda> lblume: just joking about acronyms.
[11:55:56] <ramdac_> guys is the fdisk report applies for solaris too?
[11:56:21] *** ken has quit IRC
[11:56:25] <_Lewellyn> that question makes no sense
[11:56:27] <ramdac_> i mean the linux is at sda8
[11:56:32] <tsoome> why it shouldnt?
[11:56:36] *** Endnos has joined #opensolaris
[11:56:43] <ramdac_> so hd(0,8)?
[11:56:53] <lblume> What *I* would like right now is some fresh Perrier Citron Vert...
[11:57:07] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: what does the menu.lst say?
[11:57:11] <tsoome> no idea about that:P
[11:57:17] <cypromis> it talks to you ?
[11:57:21] <oenone> lblume: where do i find this test or this HCL?
[11:57:52] <tsoome> linux is using some cruel way to identify fdisk partitions:P
[11:57:58] <palowoda> search for "HCL" on the sun.com site.
[11:58:17] *** ken has joined #opensolaris
[11:58:49] <oenone> thanks
[11:58:57] <ramdac_> it says alot of comments and the windows vista loader at hd(0,0) which is now opensolaris
[11:59:10] <_Lewellyn> nothing about ubuntu?
[11:59:12] <lblume> oenone: And for the tool, in Downloads, I think it's featured and easy to find. I don't have the URL right now.
[11:59:28] <palowoda> Amazing the pains people go through to multi-boot.
[11:59:30] <_Lewellyn> oenone: you could also grab the solaris 10 pre-install check iso
[11:59:47] *** Endnos has quit IRC
[11:59:52] <_Lewellyn> palowoda: it was dirt easy for me. i just had vista load grub ;)
[12:00:02] <ramdac_> title		Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-13-generic
[12:00:02] <ramdac_> uuid		a48bc438-5626-41ef-80de-cd0a14714732
[12:00:02] <ramdac_> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-13-generic root=UUID=a48bc438-5626-41ef-80de-cd0a14714732 ro quiet splash
[12:00:02] <ramdac_> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-13-generic
[12:00:08] <lblume> palowoda: Nowadays, I stick to the rule, one OS, one disk. I use the BIOS choice to boot different. Much, much easier.
[12:00:27] <palowoda> lblume: I stick to that rule too.
[12:00:34] <_Lewellyn> can't do that on a single-disk laptop
[12:00:45] <ramdac_> and that is my case
[12:00:46] <palowoda> Hardware problem.
[12:00:47] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: dunno, man.
[12:01:12] <_Lewellyn> palowoda: 2 disks is a bigger battery drain, since solaris doesn't turn them off when they're idle, in my experience :P
[12:01:57] <palowoda> Solaris in general is not winning OS for battery life.
[12:03:56] <oenone> hm.. i'll have to netinstall it on my laptop, too - it doesn't even have a CD drive :P
[12:04:10] <oenone> good that i already have some experience with that
[12:04:16] <_Lewellyn> palowoda, again, we need S4 suspend :)
[12:04:36] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris
[12:05:25] <lblume> I'm not a big laptop fan, though if I have any money left after buying a 25" screen, I might get a netbook.
[12:05:26] *** Endnos has joined #opensolaris
[12:05:32] <palowoda> _Lewellyn: I wish more people where working on power laptop savings mode for Solaris.  I just don't see that as a priority.  But eventually it will come.
[12:06:00] <oenone> my laptop has a very small fan....
[12:06:01] <palowoda> Not many have two disks in their laptop.
[12:06:05] *** ramdac_ has quit IRC
[12:06:07] <Endnos> Hi, i need help, how can i install manually a Driver?
[12:06:25] <palowoda> modload
[12:07:04] <Endnos> im in windows, because opensolaris cant find the driver of my WLAN
[12:07:17] <Endnos> the driver is the samee for solaris?
[12:07:20] <palowoda> what type of wireless card?
[12:07:30] <lblume> Well, modload loads it, but doesn't really installs it. Instyallation depends on the driver package.
[12:07:46] <Endnos> Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 Airforce one
[12:07:52] <palowoda> your screwed.
[12:08:07] <palowoda> You have to use ndis drivers.
[12:08:12] <_Lewellyn> palowoda: first the basics need to be taken care of. like cpu power states and proper S3 support across a wide range of systems. those are getting attention, afaict.
[12:08:32] <_Lewellyn> never buy broadcom if you want to use something other than windows. rule of thumb.
[12:08:41] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris
[12:08:59] <Endnos> Palowoda, how can i install the driver?
[12:09:05] <Endnos> im newbie in solaris ^^
[12:09:12] <lblume> _Lewellyn: How useful is the current speedstep support for laptops?
[12:09:46] <_Lewellyn> lblume: it doesn't work on my celeron m. *shrug*
[12:09:48] <palowoda> Well if your a newbie your really going to have fun reading how to install and get the ndis drivers working well on solaris.  It is documented on the laptop group.
[12:09:56] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris
[12:10:18] <palowoda> _Lewellyn: Celeron, how disappointing.
[12:10:24] *** Endnos has left #opensolaris
[12:10:34] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC
[12:10:56] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris
[12:11:04] <_Lewellyn> palowoda: meh. it does VT-x and is 64-bit.
[12:11:22] <_Lewellyn> only sucky things are its single-coreness and small L2
[12:11:42] <palowoda> And a waste of time.
[12:11:54] <palowoda> It just pisses you off.
[12:12:08] <palowoda> You need real hardware.
[12:12:33] <_Lewellyn> figure out which socket's in my laptop so i can drop a core 2 duo in, then ;)
[12:12:50] <palowoda> Well you need real money first ok?
[12:12:55] <_Lewellyn> i can't figure out which socket mine is. i thought it was 479, but it seems that it may be a socket m
[12:13:04] <_Lewellyn> money's not the problem ;)
[12:13:24] <palowoda> Oh can I suggest a laptop than?
[12:13:40] <_Lewellyn> nope. i needed specific hardware. this met the specifications and was cheap.
[12:14:16] <_Lewellyn> specifically, it needed to be i945GM, atheros wifi, synaptics touchpad, and ieee1394.
[12:14:30] <_Lewellyn> oh. and realtek audio
[12:14:40] <palowoda> Live and die by your specs.
[12:14:49] *** raichoo has joined #opensolaris
[12:15:12] <_Lewellyn> this combination approximates the average "bought at big box store" machine of the past year or three.
[12:15:28] <_Lewellyn> and for developing/testing windows software, that's a big thing.
[12:16:10] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC
[12:16:26] *** raichoo is now known as xRaich[o]2x
[12:16:55] <palowoda> Yeah right, like Solaris has a criteria for those kind of specs.
[12:16:57] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC
[12:17:49] *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC
[12:17:52] <_Lewellyn> um. i think i've mentioned that i multiboot?
[12:18:17] <_Lewellyn> and developing/testing/maintaining windows software does fall into my tasks
[12:18:24] <palowoda> But is multi boot important to Solaris?
[12:18:55] <_Lewellyn> no, but it's important to my needs. and again, my laptop represents a large swath of deployed machines.
[12:19:14] <_Lewellyn> so if something's broken for me, it's bound to be broken for lots of newcomers wanting to get away from linux
[12:19:47] <_Lewellyn> as evidenced by the people with issues on i915 the past few weeks
[12:20:03] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris
[12:20:18] <palowoda> I'm just saying multi-boot and power consumption is not a top priorty with Solaris in general.  I could be wrong.
[12:20:39] <monsted> power consumption? haven't you looked at sun.com in the last few years?
[12:20:47] <_Lewellyn> multiboot has nothing to do with the power discussion conversation we've been having
[12:20:54] <palowoda> power consumption of a laptop.
[12:21:03] <_Lewellyn> and i suspect that power consumption and laptop support's pretty high on the priority list right now
[12:21:10] <_Lewellyn> what with the new opensolaris laptops and all
[12:21:32] <palowoda> heck sun dosn't even have a standard laptop.
[12:21:55] <palowoda> They resell ultrasparc laptops.  Not known for power savings.
[12:21:56] <_Lewellyn> um. iirc, toshiba is the manufacturer for opensolaris laptops
[12:22:14] <_Lewellyn> and toshiba cares about power consumption
[12:22:33] <palowoda> did that deal go through?  url?
[12:23:07] <_Lewellyn> the yahoo news url is dead. moment.
[12:23:25] <_Lewellyn> http://www.newsoxy.com/sun-microsystems/article11490.html
[12:23:27] <palowoda> I wasn't looking for the PR.
[12:23:42] *** ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:23:43] <palowoda> I was looking for Toshiba's site with the delivery.
[12:23:50] <_Lewellyn> they're due to come out this year
[12:23:58] <_Lewellyn> i'd expect they're waiting on 2009.06
[12:24:39] <_Lewellyn> someone mentioned that they're available the other day, but i didn't get a url. i wanted to see :P
[12:25:01] <ramdac_> guys i've added these lines to menu.lst
[12:25:03] <ramdac_> title Linux Ubuntu
[12:25:03] <ramdac_> 	root (hd0,7)
[12:25:03] <ramdac_> 	chainloader +1
[12:25:25] <palowoda> Did it work?
[12:25:38] <ramdac_> but it says unknown executable format or something like that
[12:25:48] <_Lewellyn> toshiba is saying "early 2009" http://explore.toshiba.com/pressrelease/433653
[12:26:13] <trochej> _Lewellyn: Tranlsates to: around December 2009 if we get lucky
[12:26:14] <_Lewellyn> so maybe they'll ship with a 2009.06 rc or something. or a sxce build.
[12:26:22] <ramdac_> but it said that the partition is ext2fs which means that is the correct partition to boot from
[12:26:34] <_Lewellyn> trochej: i sold toshiba laptops for a while. they tend to be pretty good about delivering on time.
[12:27:02] <lblume> Who's going to support the OS? Toshiba or Sun?
[12:27:03] <_Lewellyn> worst delivery date i've had was a model that was promised in Q2 that arrived at the end of july.
[12:27:10] <_Lewellyn> lblume: that's what i keep wanting to know.
[12:27:35] <palowoda> With all of Sun's history and x86 laptops it's got to be a first "When It Happens".
[12:27:51] <palowoda> How many decades?
[12:27:55] <_Lewellyn> and i'd really not be surprised if they refreshed my model for opensolaris support. pull the multimedia keys and upgrade the processor and remove the artificial 2gb ram limit.
[12:28:04] <lblume> Sun doesn't have the structure to handle support from individuals, so does Toshiba has the knowledge to handle Solaris?
[12:28:19] <ramdac_> so what is the problem from?
[12:28:21] <lblume> Will they add diamond keys?
[12:28:22] <_Lewellyn> the machine is pretty well supported. intel has just messed up since 106 :P
[12:28:26] <palowoda> What 2gb limit?
[12:28:52] *** legolasw has joined #opensolaris
[12:29:00] <_Lewellyn> palowoda: since this is the lowest tier of 3 models sharing a common motherboard, they limit the ram exposed to the os to 2gb.
[12:29:31] <palowoda> So don't buy that hardware.
[12:29:36] <legolasw> hi
[12:29:38] <legolasw> I can not boot a zone, it return an error like: zone 'sparse-full-mstr': /secpool/sparse-full-mstr/root/bin is a symlink
[12:30:32] <legolasw> It is a sparse zone and I add /bin, /usr, /platform and /lib to it using several add inherit-pkg-dir commands
[12:30:40] <_Lewellyn> palowoda, it was marketing. just like this machine is "32 bits" because they don't support vista 64 on it.
[12:30:42] <legolasw> Anyone has a clue about what is wrong?
[12:31:11] <palowoda> legolasw: Which version of Solaris?
[12:31:19] <legolasw> opensolaris 2008.11
[12:31:41] <palowoda> 2008.11 doesn't support sparse zones.  Only full zones.
[12:31:57] <legolasw> which version support sparse zones?
[12:32:23] <legolasw> Does any of opensolaris versions support sparse zone?
[12:32:35] <palowoda> SXCE/Nevada.
[12:33:03] <fraggeln_> sol10 :D
[12:33:09] <legolasw> does latest SXCE is based on IPS?
[12:33:13] <palowoda> sol10 isn't open.
[12:33:15] *** nichol has joined #opensolaris
[12:33:26] <palowoda> no IPS for SXCE.
[12:33:53] <palowoda> Actually a couple guys did it. But it is a hack.
[12:36:44] <legolasw> Does SXCE b109 can autoupdate to newer versions or a complete reinstall will be required?
[12:37:15] <tsoome> google upgrade:P
[12:37:15] <legolasw> Also, how it comes that SXCE has a bigger size comparing to OpenSolaris 2008.11?
[12:37:16] <_Lewellyn> legolasw: you have to download a new dvd to upgrade to a new build
[12:37:26] <_Lewellyn> it's whole dvd
[12:37:31] <_Lewellyn> and has all the software
[12:37:47] <legolasw> so, to create new zones I will not need to connect to internet?
[12:37:55] <_Lewellyn> including stuff that isn't yet packaged (or packageable) for opensolaris 200x.xx
[12:37:56] *** wdp has quit IRC
[12:38:05] <tsoome> legolasw: nope
[12:38:21] <legolasw> hurray. :D
[12:38:27] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris
[12:38:40] <legolasw> Does SXCE has the same desktop window that 2008.11 has?
[12:39:33] <palowoda> Where do you think 2008.11 gets it's source from?
[12:40:46] <legolasw> I remember some enterprise manager in Solaris 9 (in CDE environment) which let us define define projects and perform other management stuff, is it still around?
[12:41:56] <palowoda> Good question, I'll bet that team got RIF'ed.
[12:44:11] *** ramdac_ has quit IRC
[12:44:46] <legolasw> Can you please let me know what is the SXCE release period?
[12:44:57] <_Lewellyn> every other friday, as a rule
[12:45:15] <_Lewellyn> we're about halfway between 109 and 110 right now
[12:45:20] *** phimic has quit IRC
[12:45:25] <_dsw> morning
[12:46:37] <legolasw> _Lewellyn, is there some features list which shows what are the new and enhanced things in each SXCE version?
[12:46:39] *** wdp has quit IRC
[12:48:26] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris
[12:48:52] *** invasive has joined #opensolaris
[12:49:12] <palowoda> legolasw: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/   and http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/arc-process/PTLtestbed/PTL/
[12:49:25] <_Lewellyn> legolasw: um. there's a list with every announcement on the announe list
[12:50:08] <_Lewellyn> as an example: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2009-March/002068.html
[12:50:14] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris
[12:51:20] <legolasw> Thank you. As last question, Does SXCE uses ZFS as OpenSolaris 2008.11 does?
[12:51:30] <palowoda> Yes.
[12:53:35] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC
[12:54:35] *** ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:54:46] <ramdac_> GUYS i've done it i booted linux
[12:55:03] <monsted> my condolances
[12:55:24] <ramdac_> does opensolaris support wifi?
[12:56:21] <palowoda> Do you have broadcom wifi?
[12:57:19] <ramdac_> no
[12:57:34] <palowoda> Well which wifi do you have?
[12:57:57] <ramdac_> well i dont remember
[12:58:14] <oenone> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/components/views/wifi_all_results.page1.html <- seems to support at least some wifi
[12:58:20] <xRaich[o]2x> intel works fine
[12:58:27] <palowoda> And http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/
[12:58:34] <_Lewellyn> atheros works pretty well
[12:58:59] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:59:02] <palowoda> atheros is about the best supported cards I've seen on solaris.
[12:59:23] <palowoda> broadcom has their head up there a**.
[12:59:38] *** bsdbandit has joined #opensolaris
[13:00:23] <palowoda> s/there/thier
[13:00:27] <bsdbandit> morning all
[13:00:29] <ramdac_> how do i know my wifi card?
[13:00:38] <palowoda> prtconf -pv
[13:00:55] *** legolasw2 has joined #opensolaris
[13:00:55] <oenone> open the case and have a look at it :P
[13:01:00] <palowoda> /usr/X11/bin/scanpci
[13:01:26] <ramdac_> oenone:actually its a laptop ;)
[13:01:43] *** chrol_ has joined #opensolaris
[13:01:54] <oenone> well, there should be only one screw you need to loose
[13:02:12] <oenone> hm.. depends on the model
[13:02:19] <oenone> for mine i have to take off the keyboard :(
[13:02:36] <palowoda> And if your not careful they may have documentation on the details for the laptop on the web.
[13:03:01] <palowoda> Some manufacutures like to hide the details though.
[13:03:24] <oenone> ibm has very nice manuals - they tell you step-by-step what to do to change each part
[13:03:27] <ramdac_> palowoda: it isnt listed
[13:03:31] <bsdbandit> im looking at comstar i have a virtual machine running opensolaris 11 2008  do i need a fc card or is this all virtual ?
[13:03:51] <bsdbandit> im trying to learning more about luns and iscsi
[13:03:54] <legolasw2> IS there any document about what is content of sxce DVD? for example does it contains MySQL, NetBeans, Glassfish, ... ?
[13:04:48] <palowoda> mysql yes.  Netbeans and glass fish are all downloadable.  Just install the full SunStudio dev release.
[13:04:58] <ramdac_> btw where is netbeans in sxxce
[13:04:59] <palowoda> It's all free.
[13:05:01] <ramdac_> sxce
[13:05:14] <palowoda> It installs in /opt
[13:05:48] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: install the sfe-bootstrap i mentioned and it should grab sunstudio for you, i think
[13:08:46] <ramdac_> how do i access the ntfs partitions?
[13:09:19] <palowoda> FSWmsic
[13:09:34] <ramdac_> in linux i would see them in at the left of file browser but here i dont see them
[13:09:35] <palowoda> I already mentinoed that.
[13:09:52] <ramdac_> no u mentioned FSWpart
[13:09:52] <palowoda> err mentioned.
[13:10:09] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC
[13:10:17] <palowoda> The FSWmsic has the ntfs mount.
[13:12:16] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris
[13:13:15] *** medar has quit IRC
[13:13:18] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris
[13:14:30] <ramdac_> where i do find FSWmisc?
[13:15:01] <invasive> what is the website instructions for making opensolaris usb
[13:15:12] <ramdac_> i googled it but no results
[13:15:19] <palowoda> on the belenix site.
[13:15:24] *** legolasw3 has joined #opensolaris
[13:15:32] <palowoda> same place FSWpart was.
[13:15:40] *** cydork has quit IRC
[13:15:41] <palowoda> I said you would need it.
[13:15:53] *** deena has joined #opensolaris
[13:16:05] <deena> HI
[13:16:08] <_Lewellyn> HI
[13:16:22] <legolasw3> Hi deena
[13:16:28] *** legolasw has quit IRC
[13:16:29] *** medar has joined #opensolaris
[13:16:47] <legolasw3> Does SunStudio included in the DVD or I should download it from the internet?
[13:17:05] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris
[13:17:07] <deena> from non global zone How  can we know which global zone we were connected to
[13:17:10] <trochej> downoad
[13:17:35] *** chrol has quit IRC
[13:17:37] <palowoda> ramdac_: http://blogs.sun.com/pradhap/entry/mount_ntfs_ext2_ext3_in
[13:18:37] <deena> can i come to know from non global zone which is global zone name
[13:18:41] <deena> is it possible
[13:18:46] <legolasw3> deena, I think a non global zone has no access to global zone stuff. it is completely isolated.
[13:19:12] <_Lewellyn> as a rule, it's supposed to be "transparent" that you're in a zone
[13:19:20] <deena> then how can we come to know. Is there no way
[13:19:32] <palowoda> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/sun_studio_12_tools/
[13:19:56] <_dsw> deena: i don't think so - there might be a way with dtrace to read the zone id, but i am not sure if you can pull out the hostname from that
[13:20:11] <legolasw3> deena, you can not. there is no way except that you can ssh to global zone and then run the zonename command.
[13:20:12] <_dsw> it would be handy though
[13:20:45] <pjfloyd> legolasw3: I think you'll nedd to dl it separately (not included)
[13:21:08] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris
[13:21:14] *** cydork has quit IRC
[13:22:39] <palowoda> Curious what would you do with the id from the non-gobal zone identifacation?
[13:22:52] *** wdp has quit IRC
[13:23:45] <_dsw> don't know, but if there a way I would assume that by using dtrace you /might/ be able to pull out rudimentary info about the zone, perhaps even the global zone
[13:23:52] <_dsw> like I said, "if" there was a way
[13:23:56] <_dsw> pure postulation
[13:24:12] <palowoda> But what does it solve?
[13:24:43] <_dsw> as my earlier comment to deena stated, perhaps you could pull out the globalzone hostname
[13:24:46] *** deena has quit IRC
[13:25:00] <_dsw> but this is massively speculative, and is not based on empirical fact.
[13:25:10] <palowoda> And when you have that what would you do with it?
[13:25:29] <palowoda> From the non-global zone aspect.
[13:25:32] <_dsw> <deena> from non global zone How  can we know which global zone we were connected to
[13:25:41] <_dsw> hence her question would be answered.
[13:26:36] <palowoda> If you found out which global zone you where connected to from a non-global zone what would you do with that information?
[13:27:19] <_dsw> erm
[13:27:27] <_Lewellyn> palowoda: in a "shared services" sort of environment, one could feasibly use the information in social engineering, for one
[13:27:29] <_dsw> if she had the hostname, her question would be answered..
[13:27:49] <_dsw> any more rhetoric should be directed at deena - it was her question in the first place.
[13:28:34] <_Lewellyn> all i know is that zones are fairly good at being isolated, as they are designed tobe
[13:29:19] *** saohh has quit IRC
[13:30:10] *** thebentzone_ is now known as thebentzone
[13:31:55] *** legolasw2 has quit IRC
[13:36:19] <nachox> palowoda, you could focus your attack to the global zone, if you compromise that, you get all the rest of the zones as a bonus
[13:37:00] <_Lewellyn> nachox, social engineering, again, could prove useful in said attack :)
[13:37:36] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[13:37:40] <nachox> want a chocolate? i'd love your root password :P
[13:37:47] *** fftb_ has quit IRC
[13:38:07] <_dsw> i used that one on a girl in a bar last night, but I didn't end up rooting her box :(
[13:38:21] <CosmicDJ> chocolate? it's "password"
[13:38:38] *** Lumb has joined #opensolaris
[13:38:52] <Lumb> hello, quite a lot more ppl here than in Ircnet :D
[13:39:43] <CosmicDJ> you could say the same about every other OS room...
[13:40:02] <CosmicDJ> one exception is dragonflybsd, most folks hang out on EFnet
[13:40:09] <CosmicDJ> (and OpenBSD maybe, IIRC they're using SILC)
[13:40:41] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[13:40:41] <oenone> #openbsd is at about 200 users
[13:40:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[13:41:03] <oenone> (+/- 20)
[13:41:34] *** ramdac_ has quit IRC
[13:41:46] <CosmicDJ> any known developer in there?
[13:42:47] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris
[13:42:55] <oenone> yes
[13:43:04] <Lumb> oh well, I dont use much other that IRCnet, but had to take a peek in here :)
[13:44:04] <CosmicDJ> I'm also in #NetBSD @ IRCnet, but most ppl seem to ask in freenode's netbsd channel nowadays, so it's quite quiet in there
[13:45:00] * oenone is most active at freenode
[13:48:54] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris
[13:48:55] <CosmicDJ> btw I lied, my root password is (ofc) not "password"
[13:48:59] <CosmicDJ> it's still "changeme" ;)
[13:49:30] *** Cope has quit IRC
[13:50:07] <Lumb> I use root12, its shorter :P
[13:50:22] <cmihai> Mine is CsbkTaJS783fClH1LznT8DnLXty7X3kKtkxKzbdO9wpbvkDzCuPvN1sKr7ZtKUz/CmvB6U3HSAq0
[13:50:22] <CosmicDJ> "toor" is shorter ;)
[13:50:44] <nachox> cmihai, blowfish?
[13:50:45] <Lumb> root12 is more secure! It just not letters u know :P
[13:50:56] <CosmicDJ> t00r
[13:51:40] <cmihai> nachox: base64 /dev/urandom :-)
[13:51:40] <CosmicDJ> cmihai: let me guess, you're still using des passwords that a cut off at the 8. char ;)
[13:52:14] <cmihai> CosmicDJ: of course :-).
[13:52:20] <_Lewellyn> abc
[13:52:39] <_Lewellyn> it's more secure than 123 ;)
[13:52:40] <CosmicDJ> 123
[13:52:42] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris
[13:52:58] <_Lewellyn> or, since it's root: sos
[13:53:31] <trochej> I use dupa.8
[13:53:37] *** ihammers has left #opensolaris
[13:53:40] *** sparc-kly__ has joined #opensolaris
[13:58:33] *** saohh has quit IRC
[13:58:42] *** sjaz has quit IRC
[14:01:03] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[14:03:01] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris
[14:04:53] <hile_> arguably, one might be in a heterogeneous environment where des is the only algo supported by all the OSes you're using.
[14:05:28] <hile_> (AIX prior to 5.3TL07 or perhaps 5.3TL08 didn't have pluggable crypt.
[14:05:40] <hile_> I also don't know whether HP-UX supports it.)
[14:05:43] *** GNUix has quit IRC
[14:06:47] <_Lewellyn> haha. i remember upgrading to the 5.3 that added the new crypt. a user changed his password (i forget why this machine wasn't using nis like the rest, but that's irrelevant), and we had to downgrade due to a hardware compatibility issue. he couldn't log in and we couldn't figure out why :D
[14:07:21] <hile_> mind you, it still isn't the DEFAULT.
[14:09:17] <_Lewellyn> hell no
[14:10:35] <_Lewellyn> we always had ibm come out for anything on that machine, due to its fragility. (yay service contracts!) and our usual guy really liked to keep things tuned. that sometimes backfired. but again, yay service ;)
[14:12:18] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[14:12:28] <bsdbandit> ?
[14:13:19] *** init3 has joined #opensolaris
[14:14:30] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris
[14:14:44] <oenone> is it possible to connect to internet via a bluetooth mobile phone?
[14:14:58] <trochej> oenone: I say yes
[14:15:02] <trochej> yay for me
[14:15:04] <_Lewellyn> not yet
[14:15:06] <_Lewellyn> afaik
[14:15:09] <trochej> Why?
[14:15:14] <Lumb> yeah, I do it everday.. or should I say we do it everyday here in Finland
[14:15:20] <SYS64738> hi
[14:15:38] <_Lewellyn> because the bluetooth project just added mouse support (their first profile) against 107
[14:15:44] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[14:16:15] <SYS64738> I having problems with ntp, I launched it but clients cannot connect to update clock
[14:16:29] <_Lewellyn> you configured it?
[14:16:34] <nachox> _Lewellyn, fragility? :)
[14:16:48] <SYS64738> _Lewellyn, yes
[14:17:12] <SYS64738> the host clock is regularly updated
[14:17:13] <_Lewellyn> nachox, ibm has an occasional problem with promising that certain hardware configurations actually work ;)
[14:17:29] <_Lewellyn> sys: did you base it on ntp.client or ntp.server?
[14:17:55] <nachox> _Lewellyn, oh :) it's always nice to have support contracts, hehe
[14:18:06] <SYS64738> _Lewellyn, ntp.server
[14:18:41] <SYS64738> I read that defaults setting permit clients to connect
[14:18:52] <nachox> i'd love to try aix 6.1 though, they added proper RBAC, something like zones and something like dtrace
[14:19:05] <_dsw> wpars and probevue
[14:19:08] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i've not used aix 6
[14:19:08] <SYS64738> ntpq -pn localhost answers: localhost: timed out, nothing received
[14:19:09] <_dsw> for 6.1
[14:19:15] <_dsw> ive used
[14:19:42] <_Lewellyn> i wouldn't mind having an aix machine falling off a truck for me, but i'm not big on throwing money at aix right now
[14:19:49] <nachox> _dsw, is it decent? i just used their 5.x version and i hated it
[14:19:58] <_dsw> yeah aix 6.1 is fine
[14:19:58] *** invasive has left #opensolaris
[14:20:03] <_dsw> as is 5.3 really
[14:20:06] <_Lewellyn> is it as fine as aix 4?
[14:20:12] <_dsw> not as 4.3.3 :D
[14:20:15] <_Lewellyn> hee
[14:20:18] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[14:20:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[14:20:26] <_dsw> probevue seems clunky
[14:20:33] <_dsw> you have to prototype the syscalls you are tracing
[14:20:43] <_dsw> which I found to be bothersome
[14:20:44] <_Lewellyn> 4.3.3 was kinda like sunos 4.1.3. people didn't want to leave it :)
[14:20:47] <_dsw> yeah hehe
[14:20:53] <nachox> _dsw, configuring an aix 5.3 for SAP made me realize why RBAC in solaris is so much better than sudo...
[14:20:55] <_dsw> still got a couple in production at work
[14:21:07] <_dsw> nachox: hehe yeah i'll bet :)
[14:22:17] <nachox> _dsw, their integration with lots of cool software sucks, openssh for example, i really hope it is a standard package in 6.1
[14:23:16] *** sparc-kly__ has quit IRC
[14:23:33] <_Lewellyn> my only problem with rbac in solaris is that people always seem to only use Primary Administrator. so you essentially have a bunch of passwordless sudo accounts. which is worse than how most people set up sudo :(
[14:23:35] <_dsw> i don't know if it is or not really - not touched 6.1 for about a year
[14:23:50] <_dsw> wpars were quite cool though
[14:24:01] <_dsw> they have "mobility", where they can be failed over to other 6.1 nodes
[14:24:24] <_dsw> which eliminates having to write your own VCS agent for wpar failover, or whatever if you're on hacmp
[14:24:47] <nachox> _Lewellyn, also setting RBAC to prevent escape to shell attacks is odd :)
[14:24:53] <_dsw> also, whereas you have speculative tracing in dtrace, aix has "tentative tracing" for probevue hehe..
[14:24:58] <_dsw> bit close to the mark there
[14:25:17] <nachox> tentative tracing?
[14:25:19] <_dsw> yeah
[14:25:29] <_dsw> thats the probevue version of dtrace's speculative tracing
[14:25:47] <_dsw> the words themselves are very similar in meaning
[14:26:05] *** chrol_ has quit IRC
[14:26:45] <nachox> were probevue probes integrated in other userland programs the way dtrace's did?
[14:26:53] <_dsw> yeah
[14:27:01] <_dsw> afaik - it works much the same
[14:27:06] <_dsw> the syntax is very similar too
[14:27:14] *** legolasw2 has joined #opensolaris
[14:27:28] <_dsw> i suspect it's a proper source port, with a s/DTRACE/PROBEVUE/g heh
[14:27:47] <_dsw> ok so thats my opinion, but it's a very close "port"
[14:28:22] <nachox> it would have been cool if ibm had really ported dtrace, though....
[14:28:32] <_dsw> they effectively have, but yeah
[14:28:53] <nachox> yes, but existing dtrace probes wont work for them
[14:28:59] <_dsw> ah, no
[14:29:33] <nachox> i'm guessing noone uses mysql or posgress in AIX though :)
[14:29:43] <_dsw> postgres or progress?
[14:30:13] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris
[14:30:14] <trochej> Or progressquest
[14:30:17] <_dsw> heh
[14:30:35] *** hpqvnt has joined #opensolaris
[14:30:52] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:31:20] <_dsw> anyone know what time the ireland rugby kicks off?
[14:32:18] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:36:00] *** Gekz__ has joined #OpenSolaris
[14:36:09] *** Gekz_ has quit IRC
[14:36:15] *** Gekz__ is now known as Gek
[14:36:28] *** Gek is now known as Gekz
[14:36:38] *** wdp_ has quit IRC
[14:37:02] *** hpqvnt has quit IRC
[14:39:29] *** B|nTaRa has joined #opensolaris
[14:40:15] <nachox> the aix to opensolaris migration guide is 24 pages long, the solaris to aix migration is 21 times that :)
[14:40:16] *** ken has quit IRC
[14:43:12] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris
[14:43:52] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris
[14:47:11] *** legolasw3 has quit IRC
[14:47:34] *** rsys has joined #opensolaris
[14:47:57] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[14:47:59] *** nichol has quit IRC
[14:48:13] *** wdp has quit IRC
[14:49:55] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[14:50:03] *** ken has joined #opensolaris
[14:50:19] <jamesd__> nachox, funny i would of thought the solaris to aix guide would be about two paragraphs....    *(any admin command) ==  smit
[14:53:13] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[14:55:29] *** nachox has quit IRC
[14:56:40] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris
[15:00:31] *** legolasw2 has quit IRC
[15:03:36] *** ken has quit IRC
[15:04:05] *** ken has joined #opensolaris
[15:04:51] <cmihai> jamesd__: smit and wsm are just admintool and smc done right, they're not meant to replace good old fashion command line skills :P
[15:05:49] <_Lewellyn> except when smit wants something done its way and blows away your changes :P
[15:06:26] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris
[15:07:37] <cmihai> smit/smitty and wsm on AIX always show you the command they'll run
[15:09:54] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris
[15:10:35] *** lblume has quit IRC
[15:12:28] *** Troll_Man has quit IRC
[15:13:38] <_Lewellyn> cmihai: yes. but the results aren't necessarily what you'd expect when they go and modify a file you've hand-edited :P
[15:13:57] <_Lewellyn> it may be better these days, but i was bitten a few times :P
[15:15:56] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[15:16:13] *** DCEmu_user05 has joined #opensolaris
[15:16:19] <DCEmu_user05> Come visit my forum where you can watch the newest movies online for FREE: http://movieparadise.informe.com/
[15:16:28] *** DCEmu_user05 has quit IRC
[15:19:17] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris
[15:21:38] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris
[15:22:14] *** chrol has quit IRC
[15:25:09] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC
[15:28:45] *** hsp has quit IRC
[15:32:10] *** ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:32:12] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris
[15:33:26] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris
[15:34:08] <cmihai> _Lewellyn: you mean the files saying "This is an automatically generated prolog. DO NOT EDIT!"? :P
[15:35:09] <ramdac_> guys why when i mount the a drive and try to access it the file browser always hang
[15:35:31] <_Lewellyn> cmihai, among others, yes ;)
[15:35:33] <cmihai> The what drive
[15:35:54] <_Lewellyn> it's either "the" or "a", but not both.
[15:36:00] <_Lewellyn> basic grammar, please :P
[15:36:13] <cmihai> Maybe he means the floppy drive and is stuck back in 1986 DOS :P
[15:36:30] <ramdac_> sry its a drive
[15:36:37] <ramdac_> (any)
[15:36:51] *** bahumbug has quit IRC
[15:36:56] <cmihai> Well, do be a little more specific than that.
[15:37:24] <cmihai> You don't mount drives, you mount filesystems :P.
[15:37:42] <cmihai> And the fact you're running Solaris means you already are able to mount filesystems.
[15:38:04] <cmihai> And file browser in this case means... nautilus?
[15:38:21] <ramdac_> look when i type this command:mount -F ntfs /dev/rdsk/<drivename> /mnt/<mountpoint>
[15:38:38] <_Lewellyn> that's not "any" drive
[15:38:58] <_Lewellyn> that's a nfs loopback mount to something i don't even want to try to understand :P
[15:39:25] *** dsch04_afk has quit IRC
[15:39:30] <_Lewellyn> and i thought it was /dev/dsk/cXdXpX or something like that, not rdsk...
[15:39:31] <ramdac_> after that it mounted when i try to access the drive the  nautilus hangs
[15:39:36] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris
[15:40:45] <ramdac_> when i type prtpart it tell me the mentioned directory
[15:40:56] <_Lewellyn> including the rdsk?
[15:41:33] <cmihai> You're.. trying to mount a raw device as NTFS (something Solaris doesn't support)...
[15:41:36] <cmihai> I think he's using mount-ntfs
[15:41:49] <cmihai> That's a horrible horrible hack
[15:41:52] <cmihai> you mount the rdsk
[15:41:58] <cmihai> and to umount you kill the process (not kidding)
[15:43:06] <cmihai> And it mounts it through a NFS server
[15:43:11] <_Lewellyn> which is mount-ntfs? the FSWmisc one?
[15:43:25] <cmihai> http://mount-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[15:43:26] <cmihai> This one
[15:43:33] <ramdac_> i used FSWmisc package
[15:43:47] <_Lewellyn> i've only used FSWmisc. and that doesn't like things like find :P
[15:44:02] <_Lewellyn> i freaked out the first time i thought most of my disk disappeared
[15:44:11] <cmihai> Don't mount NTFS on anything but Windows if you value your data
[15:44:26] <cmihai> Just export it via CIFS or NFS or whatever, you're much better off.
[15:44:29] <ramdac_> so what is the solution?
[15:45:06] <_Lewellyn> make a FAT data partition and use that for interchange between operating systems. or a usb key. or something.
[15:45:17] <_Lewellyn> the ntfs is read-only, anyhow.
[15:45:35] <ramdac_> u mean i convert them into FAT32
[15:45:41] <_Lewellyn> convert what?
[15:45:47] <ramdac_> the drives
[15:45:58] * _Lewellyn is lost on where converting things came in
[15:46:29] <_Lewellyn> make another partition. format it as fat (in *windows*). mount it as pcfs in solaris
[15:47:09] *** chode has joined #opensolaris
[15:47:16] <ramdac_> is there any other way than that
[15:47:38] <cmihai> Yes, put the NTFS on another Windows box and export it as CIFS (SMB) or NTFS or FTP or whatever
[15:47:44] *** SPF has joined #opensolaris
[15:48:07] <_Lewellyn> or use a usb key.
[15:48:25] <cmihai> The whole multi-boot thing is more painful in the long run.
[15:48:53] <cmihai> Trying to have 2-3 OS on the same machine, all writing to each other's FS... and messing about with the bootloader and such.. waste of time.
[15:48:58] <cmihai> Virtualize or get another box.
[15:49:08] <cmihai> Or drop some of your needs :-)
[15:49:09] <SPF> zfs question: is it possible in a raid-z configuration with let's say 500 GB hdd's to replace the hdd's with bigger ones like 1000 GB hdd's?
[15:49:23] <cmihai> Yep
[15:49:25] <ramdac_> i only got 2 OS Linux and solaris
[15:49:30] <cmihai> On a live system even SPF :P
[15:49:37] <cmihai> Assuming hot plug disks, etc.
[15:49:50] <trichobezoar> SPF: yes...  one at a time and it let resilver.  once they've all been replaced, the pool size increases
[15:49:55] <cmihai> say you have 4 500GB disks... you remove a 500GB disk, replace with a 1 TB disk, resilver
[15:50:02] <cmihai> Replace another disk, etc
[15:50:09] *** ramdac_ has quit IRC
[15:50:10] <cmihai> Once all have been replaced ZFS automagically grows
[15:50:11] <SPF> so you can keep increasing it's size?
[15:50:11] <_Lewellyn> cmihai: the only time i mount my ntfs partition is when i realize that i forgot to copy something to the nfs server.
[15:50:24] <cmihai> So instead of say 1.5 GB you'll automagically have 3GB in your RAIDZ
[15:50:24] <_Lewellyn> so, i copy it off the ntfs partition and copy it to the nfs server ;)
[15:50:24] <SPF> and zfs is the only fs that can do that?
[15:50:56] <_Lewellyn> aotumagically? pretty much.
[15:51:08] <cmihai> He only has Linux and Solaris?
[15:51:14] <cmihai> Then why the funk was he using NTFS
[15:51:28] <trichobezoar> ntfs is a decent fs
[15:51:56] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: not for interchange, it's not.
[15:52:11] <_Lewellyn> for interchange, your only real option is fat
[15:52:33] * trichobezoar reminisces back about the un-uDF
[15:52:43] <_Lewellyn> let's not rehash that :P
[15:52:46] <SPF> cmihai: is nfs the only fs with that feature?
[15:52:51] <SPF> err, zfs
[15:53:03] <_Lewellyn> [07:52] <_Lewellyn> aotumagically? pretty much.
[15:53:22] <trichobezoar> linux's lvm is pretty feature-ful, and can be resized online upwards, and downlwards offline
[15:53:41] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: but it's not automagic, afair
[15:53:53] <_Lewellyn> also, i want tab-complete :P
[15:54:07] <codestr0m> trichobezoar: lvm may be feature full, but it doesn't mean it's easy to admin or not needing some changes
[15:55:38] <Lumb> zfs <3
[15:56:05] <trichobezoar> What?  Something needing changes? :)
[15:56:14] <SPF> but with lvm you cannot replace the hdd's with bigger ones right?
[15:56:22] <SPF> I mean, lvm+raid5
[15:56:37] <trichobezoar> im pretty sure it can...  i was looking at the source for some reason one day
[15:57:11] <_Lewellyn> but it won't "see" it and automatically grow the filesystem
[15:57:13] <nachox> ntfs was great when it was first released, now there are better things :)
[15:57:31] <_Lewellyn> nachox: again, ntfs has features which are fairly unique
[15:57:48] <trichobezoar> not automatically growing the fs is reasonable considering they're on different layers
[15:57:50] <_Lewellyn> personally, i want to find some example code and play with TxF a bit
[15:57:55] <nachox> such as? shadow copies?
[15:58:15] <_Lewellyn> the new transaction support is really neat, though underdocumented.
[15:58:24] <_Lewellyn> that's the neatest thing in NTFS 6, imo.
[15:58:42] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris
[15:58:48] <CIA-40> Evan Yan <Evan.Yan at Sun dot COM>: 6809534 nehalem based server doesn't boot on snv_108 possibly due to exhaustion of MSI-X, 6811274 System crashing while running snv_109 on T5440
[15:59:03] <nachox> transaction? meaning you can programatically ask the filesystem to write all the crap in one go? :)
[15:59:26] <_Lewellyn> across multiple machines *and* sql.
[15:59:34] <_Lewellyn> if any bit of it fails, none of it is committed.
[15:59:45] <nachox> impressive
[16:00:19] <_Lewellyn> push a button, deploy changes, log to db.
[16:00:29] <_Lewellyn> and of course, it's all background.
[16:00:36] <nachox> encryption works in a filebased way, that is cool too, but works like crap...
[16:01:59] *** bizkut_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:04:10] *** chode has quit IRC
[16:04:25] *** chode has joined #opensolaris
[16:05:18] *** mroberts1723 has joined #opensolaris
[16:05:48] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris
[16:06:43] *** ken has quit IRC
[16:07:41] *** ken has joined #opensolaris
[16:08:33] *** chode has quit IRC
[16:08:54] *** chode has joined #opensolaris
[16:08:57] <mroberts1723> Good morning all.
[16:10:45] <_Lewellyn> no such thing
[16:11:27] <mroberts1723> I want to install OS 2008.11, however my system has an issue with the frame buffer for the console and I can't see anything on my screen after the kernel tries to load the FB.
[16:11:40] *** sophokles has quit IRC
[16:12:51] <mroberts1723> Is it possible to use "-B output-device=foo" to bind the console directly to my display by setting "foo" to "/dev/bar"?
[16:12:59] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris
[16:13:52] <nachox> mroberts1723, that would be damn happyface... edit the boot line in grub to disable it, you still need X to install opensolaris though
[16:16:19] <mroberts1723> The livecd does not have a console only install option?
[16:18:02] <_Lewellyn> i think that is only a choice for sxce at the moment
[16:19:11] <mroberts1723> OK, I'll go read a bit learn how to turn off happyface. shouldn't be hard.  Thanks for your time.
[16:21:20] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris
[16:23:49] *** gerard13 has quit IRC
[16:24:15] <nachox> mroberts1723, my kernel$ line looks like "kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS" i disabled it
[16:25:09] <_Lewellyn> eenteresting question... if i make a sparse-root zone on sxce and export it, what would happen if i tried to import it on solaris 10?
[16:25:22] <_Lewellyn> i suppose the same question applies to a full-root zone...
[16:25:58] *** authentic has quit IRC
[16:27:32] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[16:27:45] *** chode has quit IRC
[16:28:01] *** chode has joined #opensolaris
[16:31:20] <nachox> _Lewellyn, it would... not work? :)
[16:31:26] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[16:32:11] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris
[16:32:15] <_Lewellyn> define "not work", though ;)
[16:33:50] *** chode has quit IRC
[16:34:44] <nachox> you cannot migrate a whole zone afaik
[16:35:03] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:35:13] <_Lewellyn> i've never tried migrating a zone, so i thought it'd be an educational question to ask :)
[16:35:16] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[16:36:26] <nachox> ok, i'm wrong, you can migrate whole zones :)
[16:36:49] <_Lewellyn> i thought so. which is why i'm suspicious that it just might work.
[16:37:29] <_Lewellyn> also, i'm pretty sure i can't take the zone across platforms, correct? *evil grin*
[16:37:59] <nachox> _Lewellyn, no, it wont, you'll get something like "These packages installed on the source system are inconsistent with this system: [..]" and replace [..] with a LONG list
[16:38:18] <_Lewellyn> neat
[16:38:43] <nachox> _Lewellyn, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1592/gdqks?a=view
[16:38:52] *** mroberts1723 has quit IRC
[16:39:16] <_Lewellyn> i've discovered asking hard questions about zones to be pointless. so i'm going to keep asking questions like this till i work you guys up to the real question that i can't get answered and can't find docs on :P
[16:43:49] <Lumb> zones rock, talking about is interesting as well :)
[16:44:17] <Lumb> unfortunately its pub time, so laterz :P  ->
[16:47:37] <nachox> _Lewellyn, the answer to your quesiton WAS in the documents :P
[16:47:39] *** axisys has quit IRC
[16:48:43] <_Lewellyn> not my real question :)
[16:48:53] <nachox> which was?
[16:49:37] <_Lewellyn> what, exactly, needs to be done on the solaris side to add support for a new distro in an lx zone? and what, if anything, needs to be done to the distro to be friendly to solaris?
[16:50:44] <nachox> ohh, i dont use lx zones, and i avoid linux as much as possible
[16:53:52] <_Lewellyn> that's the general answer i get :P
[16:54:06] <_Lewellyn> let's just say that centos 3 doesn't cut it for me...
[16:54:14] *** rastal has quit IRC
[16:55:32] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris
[16:55:48] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris
[16:56:31] *** nichol has joined #opensolaris
[16:57:31] *** rastal has joined #opensolaris
[16:57:50] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[16:57:52] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[17:08:41] *** ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:14:26] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[17:16:33] <nachox> _Lewellyn, i think someone showed me a way to run a debian here, i dont remember who
[17:16:39] <nachox> but it was a bad bad hack
[17:18:23] <_Lewellyn> it was a terrible hack
[17:18:41] <_Lewellyn> and it didn't actually show how to modify the definition of what an lx zone "is"
[17:19:14] <trygvis> running debian in an lx zone is quite easy
[17:19:27] <ramdac_> guys i just downloaded NetBeans IDE with the C/C++ pack.  but when i press next the installer hangs and in the terminal NFS server 127.0.0.1 not responding still tryingNFS server 127.0.0.1 not responding still trying
[17:19:30] <_Lewellyn> trygvis: from the install media?
[17:19:52] <_Lewellyn> ramdac: did you mount your ntfs partition?
[17:20:05] <ramdac_> no
[17:20:21] <ramdac_> not yet
[17:20:22] <_Lewellyn> hm. that's the only thing i can think of. having mounted it that boot...
[17:21:08] <ramdac_> i'll reboot and come again plz wait
[17:21:15] <trygvis> no, I just used debootstrap and started from that archive
[17:21:15] *** ramdac_ has quit IRC
[17:23:48] <_Lewellyn> see, that's not a "proper" way
[17:24:00] <_Lewellyn> the proper way would be with zoneadm install
[17:24:32] <trygvis> why is that any more 'proper'?
[17:24:39] <trygvis> you need programatic support for that to work
[17:24:52] <trygvis> the installed image is just like any debootstrap'ed image
[17:31:10] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris
[17:41:18] *** bubbva has quit IRC
[17:41:30] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris
[17:44:28] *** linuxkar has joined #opensolaris
[17:45:40] <linuxkar> Hi everyone, This is Shankar
[17:45:46] <linuxkar> I have just entered
[17:45:55] <linuxkar> this IRc for the first time
[17:46:18] <fraggeln_> greetings
[17:46:19] <linuxkar> Greetings!! to all
[17:46:31] <linuxkar> hi fraggeIn_
[17:46:40] *** fraggeln_ is now known as fraggeln
[17:47:01] <linuxkar> how r u dng fraggeIn
[17:47:17] <fraggeln> im fine. making dinner :D
[17:47:22] <hali> hello
[17:47:39] <hali> this is irc indeed, not text
[17:47:49] <linuxkar> great!
[17:47:55] <linuxkar> hi hali
[17:47:59] <fraggeln> linuxkar: and you?
[17:48:02] *** sophokles has quit IRC
[17:48:11] <linuxkar> I am g doing good
[17:48:28] <linuxkar> thank you :)
[17:48:38] <linuxkar> what r u cook'g
[17:48:56] <linuxkar> fraggeIn...slurp! :P
[17:48:59] <fraggeln> homemade burgers :)
[17:49:14] <linuxkar> wow!! that makes my mouth water.....
[17:49:30] <linuxkar> I can feel them piping hot :)
[17:50:37] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris
[17:50:49] <dclarke> anyone know when the election process ends ?
[17:55:07] <codestr0m> dclarke: are you so eager to flog the new electorates
[17:55:22] <dclarke> no .. just need to cast my ballot for another year
[17:55:23] <codestr0m> anyway.. ogb power is nil.. you turning off bw would have more impact
[17:55:35] <dclarke> that won't happen
[17:55:46] <codestr0m> dclarke: right. .that's your vote in the best way
[17:55:57] <dclarke> the only time I ever needed to shut down for a day or two was when people were stealing everything in sight
[17:56:00] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris
[17:56:01] <codestr0m> dclarke: I'll pm you something I have a quick favor to ask
[17:56:10] <dclarke> no prob
[17:56:14] <dclarke> you need something ?
[17:58:24] *** rastal has quit IRC
[17:58:44] <CIA-40> Madhavan Venkataraman <Madhavan.Venkataraman at Sun dot COM>: 6811269 The clock tick accounting code uses softints wrongly, 6802283 hang in delay() called from glm during boot, 6810916 sparc system repeatedly hangs doing mpt tasks, 6811294 APIs like nanosleep() wakeup prematurely when system time is changed, 6809548 assertion failure expiration > 0 in callout.c
[17:58:45] <CIA-40> Mark Haywood <Mark.Haywood at Sun dot COM>: 6790947 notebook is rebooting, when power is disconnected or connected
[18:00:20] *** linuxkar has left #opensolaris
[18:02:40] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris
[18:06:28] *** RyShask_ has quit IRC
[18:07:00] <nachox> codestr0m, you did not vote?
[18:07:15] <codestr0m> nachox: I won't sign the sca
[18:07:21] <codestr0m> I have no vote
[18:07:24] <nachox> why?
[18:07:34] <codestr0m> why what. .I don't agree with it
[18:09:05] <nachox> you dont agree with the SCA or any SCA equivalente like the FSF one?
[18:09:50] <codestr0m> nachox: I've a couple I won't agree to.. this is one of them
[18:11:21] <chrisg> SCA?
[18:11:22] <nachox> damn firefox...
[18:11:34] <nachox> sun contributor agreement
[18:11:39] <chrisg> ah
[18:11:47] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris
[18:11:58] <nachox> or is it solaris contributor agreement? i dont know or care
[18:13:49] *** myosound has quit IRC
[18:14:05] <chrisg> it's sun
[18:14:08] <chrisg> im reading it hte now :)
[18:16:09] <bubbva> codestr0m: there are other ways to contribute to the community, so you do not necessarily need to sign that agreement in order to have voting rights. (you just need to sign that if you want to contribute code directly to solaris)
[18:17:22] <codestr0m> bubbva: oh is that how you got elected.. I'm fairly helpful here and when I have a chance, but nobody seemed to notice or maybe I don't contribute here as much as I used to
[18:17:30] <codestr0m> (or maybe I'm a smartass and too annoying ;)
[18:18:19] <bubbva> well, IRC doesn't really count as a community (maybe it should :), but I know folks that provide design comments and code review comments on other community aliases and that will be more likely to be recognized :)
[18:18:50] <codestr0m> yeah. helping the 100+ noobies who don't know anything doesn't really count for much
[18:18:53] <codestr0m> :P
[18:19:10] <jbk> currently you have to be a core contributor to vote
[18:19:12] <bubbva> I think there is a newbie alias, too, actually....
[18:19:25] <jbk> the amendments being proposed would change that
[18:19:52] <jbk> i'm kinda stuck since emancipation (where the bulk of my work was done, with the rest scattered between different communities) has no community
[18:20:04] <jbk> as it predates a lot of that organization
[18:20:17] <codestr0m> jbk: I'm ok not voting actually..
[18:20:29] <jbk> thus i'm in the odd position of being nominated while not being a core contributor :)
[18:21:02] <codestr0m> jbk: I thought you couldn't get nominated if you weren't a core contributor or is that just contributor?
[18:21:17] <jbk> no, i think anyone can be nominated
[18:21:22] <jbk> i am a contributor in a couple of areas
[18:21:25] <bubbva> you just can't nominate yourself if you're not core contrib. :-)
[18:21:59] <jbk> that is one nice thing about the proposed amendment
[18:22:09] <jbk> well one of the pieces of it
[18:22:25] <jbk> voting is more opt-in (with some checks)
[18:22:54] <bubbva> right, so you can be recognized as a contributor to a community, and not be expected to vote - unless you want to.
[18:23:26] <jbk> yeah, i know it was a problem last year (CCs either uninterested or unaware of their involvement in hte voting process)
[18:23:31] <jbk> which meant it took a while to get quorum
[18:24:05] <jbk> hopefully with it being opt-in, that will help
[18:24:33] <jbk> at a previous job, we had a motto 'help set the policy or become a victim of it'
[18:24:52] <codestr0m> jbk: ut oh.. that job wasn't in texas was it?
[18:24:59] <jbk> no
[18:25:02] *** jfndi has quit IRC
[18:25:04] <jbk> it wasn't mean as an 'or else'
[18:25:37] <jbk> just if you don't get involved, don't expect that thing will be the way you want
[18:25:52] <bubbva> jbk: it took forever to get quorum this year, too!  I just sent mail to the folks who are core contribs in my org and reminded them the polls are open now & that they are all core contribs (you're right, some people forget after a year or so has passed)
[18:26:17] <jbk> i've tried to remind people myself where appropriate
[18:26:28] <jbk> (such as when the  CC renewal discussions would happen)
[18:26:56] <bubbva> some people at lunch yesterday were asking how they know if they are supposed to vote or not, so I figure an email with instructions wouldn't hurt :)
[18:27:07] <jbk> :)
[18:27:25] <jbk> one isn't sent to the CCs automatically?
[18:27:46] <jbk> i would think that would be a nice simple way to help remind people
[18:28:08] <jbk> 'hey voting is about to start, etc. etc.' with links to the list of candidates, how to vote, etc.
[18:28:37] <bubbva> it is, but some folks filter out mails sent to aliases to lower priority.
[18:28:49] <jbk> ahh
[18:28:57] <jbk> well you can only do so much I guess
[18:31:17] <bubbva> you can take a horse to water...
[18:31:28] <jbk> you can even make the water taste good
[18:32:33] <jbk> well i need to go do some things, i'll probably bbl for a little bit..
[18:34:25] *** chrol has quit IRC
[18:34:41] *** javatexan1 has joined #opensolaris
[18:34:58] *** evo_running_NOP is now known as evocallaghan
[18:40:33] *** javatexan1 has quit IRC
[18:40:41] * nachox is downloading vbox for solaris and a minimal debian installer just to have skype
[18:44:55] <sponix> nachox:  sound doesn't pass through from what I've seen
[18:45:08] <nachox> Warning: Driver (vboxdrv) successfully added to system but failed to attach ---
[18:47:28] <codestr0m> nachox: you don't need vbox you can do this with an lx26 brand
[18:47:40] <codestr0m> and there's multiple blog entries and forum posts on it
[18:48:17] <nachox> codestr0m, i consider lx branded zones to be a bad hack
[18:49:00] <codestr0m> nachox: is this based on some technical merit or you just having some random opinion?
[18:49:17] <nachox> random opinion
[18:50:03] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC
[18:53:25] *** evocallaghan1 has joined #opensolaris
[18:54:14] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris
[18:55:07] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC
[18:56:32] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris
[18:57:37] *** evocallaghan1 has quit IRC
[18:58:46] <CIA-40> Erik Nordmark <Erik.Nordmark at Sun dot COM>: 6813215 cred reference leak in tsol_get_packet_label
[19:03:38] *** dunc has quit IRC
[19:04:55] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris
[19:07:15] *** nachox has quit IRC
[19:07:32] *** javatexan has quit IRC
[19:09:55] *** The-spiki has quit IRC
[19:11:06] *** btQuark_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:11:15] *** chrol has quit IRC
[19:18:23] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris
[19:21:10] *** nichol has quit IRC
[19:21:19] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC
[19:22:26] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris
[19:33:10] <Disorganized> wow, zones on opensolaris are pretty damn minimal
[19:34:04] *** sahX has quit IRC
[19:34:13] <Disorganized> i'm trying to use pkg or blastwave's pkgutil, but pkg doesn't seem to pull the entire catalog, as it doesn't show as much as the global zone's search does.
[19:34:40] <Disorganized> and i can't get blastwave's pkgutil going inside the zone due to all of the missing deps.
[19:35:18] *** PicCard__ has quit IRC
[19:35:28] <Disorganized> is there not a way to install a full native zone instead of this ipkg crap?
[19:41:40] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[19:42:34] *** bubbva has quit IRC
[19:43:29] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[19:46:02] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[19:46:45] *** wewek has quit IRC
[19:49:38] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris
[19:51:36] *** bizkut_ has quit IRC
[19:52:12] *** bizkut_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:54:20] <codestr0m> Disorganized: was that your post on the list? and maybe you are interested in the difference between sparse zones and what's inherited.. alternatively you can google ospkg brand and from that make any template
[19:54:46] *** sparcdr has joined #opensolaris
[19:55:36] <Disorganized> codestr0m: post on the list? no, not me.
[19:56:05] <codestr0m> Disorganized: ok. well the other information still applies
[19:56:11] <Disorganized> hehe cool
[20:02:10] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris
[20:02:35] *** niq has quit IRC
[20:02:39] *** badspenser has joined #opensolaris
[20:04:31] <badspenser> I have a sxce b66 with many small zone over zfs vols, can I do a simple LU to upgrade it ?
[20:08:34] <sparcdr> damn that's dated
[20:08:42] <hrist> heh
[20:08:47] <badspenser> I think july 07
[20:09:11] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris
[20:09:12] <badspenser> it's always gone nice
[20:09:53] <badspenser> I asking myself what could happen with a LU
[20:10:12] <CosmicDJ> your zones could vanish
[20:10:48] <badspenser> I need them, mx, smtp, dns, ftp, squid....
[20:11:56] <CosmicDJ> well do a test-lu on a non-production system before ;)
[20:12:31] <badspenser> I do faster if I replicate services on a newer sxce
[20:13:05] <badspenser> I must understand how to instal pvm solaris small like debian ones
[20:14:01] *** chrol has quit IRC
[20:15:41] <CosmicDJ> faster? how? it's called *live*upgrade because the downtime is usually just a reboot
[20:16:09] *** Niosop has joined #opensolaris
[20:16:22] <badspenser> I mean that is faster use a newer sxce and copy etc files that replicate my problem and do a test LU
[20:16:25] <hrist> but if it fails?
[20:16:41] <hrist> s/if/when/ + @CosmicDJ
[20:17:02] <Niosop> hello, anyone know how to remove iscsi targets that no longer exist from the list of available targets?
[20:17:12] <CosmicDJ> then you reboot again, into your old BE
[20:19:54] <badspenser> dinner
[20:19:55] <badspenser> bye all
[20:23:37] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[20:24:37] <Niosop> anyone know how to remove iscsi targets that no longer exist from the output of iscsiadm list target?
[20:25:58] *** ihammers has joined #opensolaris
[20:26:07] <CosmicDJ> iscsiadm remove?!
[20:27:56] <Niosop> tried w/ target-param, didn't work
[20:29:03] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris
[20:41:01] *** badspenser has quit IRC
[20:41:08] *** Niosop has left #opensolaris
[20:47:00] *** DukeNuke2 has joined #opensolaris
[20:49:58] *** Praematura has quit IRC
[20:52:09] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[20:55:46] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris
[21:00:28] <nachox> guys, i need a whole sxce to get the few packages i need to compile ON in indiana?
[21:01:38] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC
[21:02:55] <codestr0m> nachox: you can do it from indy, belenix or many distro, but need to know what packages are pre reqs there
[21:03:55] <nachox> i know which ones i need, but it seems like i need some SXCE packages, and i dont want to download a full dvd for a few mbs
[21:04:18] <e^ipi> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/building_on/
[21:04:53] <nachox> "also get SUNWdtcor, SUNWdtdmr, SUNWtltk, and SUNWmfrun"
[21:05:06] <nachox> "from a Nevada/SXCE build "
[21:06:43] <codestr0m> nachox: well.. I know Jörg made a list of all the stuff
[21:06:58] <codestr0m> and osunix pulls all the deps from everything. so it's not really sane/logical
[21:07:11] <codestr0m> (by this I mean I find the source repo)
[21:07:37] <codestr0m> if you can give me a header name I'll tell you where I get it
[21:10:39] *** fftb has quit IRC
[21:10:53] *** luc^ has quit IRC
[21:19:24] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris
[21:26:06] *** chrisr has quit IRC
[21:27:14] *** `Spike has quit IRC
[21:27:15] <timeless> lcuk: http://www.apuvalineoriola.fi/default.aspx?SectionId=5450
[21:27:19] <timeless> oops,wrong window
[21:28:31] *** wdp has quit IRC
[21:37:00] *** master_of_master has quit IRC
[21:37:32] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC
[21:40:25] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris
[21:40:30] *** Ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris
[21:40:45] <Ramdac_> guys is sxce solaris or opensolaris?
[21:41:16] <DukeNuke2> nothing of them
[21:41:26] <codestr0m> Ramdac_: it's more like solaris, but it and osol share a lot of the same code.. one is redistributable and the other is SVR4 packaging and not
[21:41:28] <e^ipi> depends on your definition of opensolaris
[21:41:41] <trochej> depends on your definition of open
[21:41:44] <DukeNuke2> sxce is the developer version of solaris
[21:41:53] *** zenbalrog has joined #opensolaris
[21:41:55] <DukeNuke2> opensolaris is based on sxce
[21:42:13] <Ramdac_> cuz i found that open solaris is UNIX-like while solaris is UNIX
[21:42:14] <codestr0m> DukeNuke2: I wouldn't say that.. opensolaris should be fine for development
[21:42:16] <e^ipi> not really
[21:42:21] <DukeNuke2> yes
[21:42:32] <e^ipi> no. they are different distros
[21:42:41] <Ramdac_> so sxce is UNIX or UNIX-like
[21:42:42] <DukeNuke2> but sxce shows 5.11 if you type "uname -a"
[21:42:46] <e^ipi> fedora isn't 'based on' debian eithre, but they share a lot of the same code
[21:43:00] <e^ipi> DukeNuke2: point? debian says "linux 2.x..."
[21:43:01] *** chrol has quit IRC
[21:43:19] <e^ipi> the kernel name has nothing to do with the distro
[21:43:21] <DukeNuke2> solaris is 5.10
[21:43:32] <Ramdac_> ?
[21:43:35] <e^ipi> solaris 10 is built off the 5.10 SunOS kernel, yes
[21:43:49] <Ramdac_> sxce is UNIX or UNIX-like?
[21:43:54] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: unix-like
[21:44:15] <e^ipi> Solaris 10, OSX 10.5, HPUX, and AIX 5.2 are the only UNIX out there
[21:44:40] <Ramdac_> e^ipi:and does all distro are unix-like?
[21:44:47] <Ramdac_> distros
[21:44:52] <codestr0m> e^ipi: not true.. MACOSX is a UNIX by way of paying as well ;)
[21:44:53] <e^ipi> anything that is like unix is unix-like
[21:44:56] <nachox> to be a UNIX you have to be certified by the opengroup, no opensolaris distro, including sun's, was certified
[21:45:03] *** pgr has quit IRC
[21:45:04] <e^ipi> codestr0m: by way of passing the standards tests
[21:45:35] <Ramdac_> so UNIX-like means that it passed "Part" of the certification?
[21:45:36] <e^ipi> codestr0m: that OSX has a different default graphics system doesn't interfere with that
[21:45:43] <codestr0m> e^ipi: last I checked opensolaris was certified
[21:45:47] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: no, unix-like means that it's like unix
[21:46:00] <e^ipi> codestr0m: then you checked wrong
[21:46:42] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: unix-like is a pretty meaningless term, it just refers to a class of operating systems with some vaguely similar interfaces
[21:47:16] <DukeNuke2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like
[21:47:57] <Ramdac_> cuz when i first entered this room i asked what is the difference between opensolaris and Linux, One had answered me and said that opensolaris is UNIX while Linux is UNIX clone
[21:48:33] <palowoda> You get what you pay for.
[21:49:22] <CosmicDJ> well that depends on the definition of unix...
[21:49:27] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris
[21:49:50] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: opensolaris could theoretically get certified, as it passes the tests largely
[21:49:53] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris
[21:49:53] <e^ipi> linux could not
[21:50:13] <e^ipi> there's a huge list of incompatibilities between the certification and the GNU tools in the userland tools alone
[21:50:18] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: solaris express was certified for unix 98 JFYI
[21:50:45] <Ramdac_> so opensolaris didnt officialy declare as UNIX but theoreticallu is UNIX?
[21:51:16] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
[21:52:10] <e^ipi> solaris express 5/03 refers to the prerelease version of S10
[21:52:12] <CosmicDJ> what's 05/03? was that a SXDE release?
[21:52:18] <CosmicDJ> ah... ok
[21:52:46] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: correct
[21:53:19] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: other differences you might notice is upwards scalability ( we have it, linux doesn't in any meaningful sense ), and engineering discipline ( similarly, we have it... they don't )
[21:53:47] <Ramdac_> what is meant by upwards scalability?
[21:54:35] <e^ipi> Ramdac_: sun has machines with 128 CPU's
[21:54:42] <CosmicDJ> it'll run fine on your single core 1gb ram peecee, and also on sun's 256 core, 256gb ram servers...
[21:55:13] <e^ipi> and solaris scales pretty close to linearally on it ( double the CPU's, almost double the speed )
[21:55:30] <cypromis> depending on your app of course
[21:55:35] <trochej> double the trouble
[21:55:35] <Ramdac_> while Linux?
[21:55:49] <cypromis> which in 90 of the cases will not know what to doo with all that power
[21:55:51] <DukeNuke2> 128 cpus? which mashine is that?
[21:55:57] <e^ipi> DukeNuke2: M9000
[21:56:20] <x58> I just wanted to chime in with a "I want one".
[21:56:26] <trochej> Actually, with all those cores, you need a nice threading application to get boost
[21:56:36] <trochej> Otherwise, you just use one core of every CPU
[21:56:42] <e^ipi> i don't, i can rarely keep 4cpu's fed
[21:56:46] <e^ipi> so why waste the power
[21:56:54] <DukeNuke2> m9000 is only a little bit sun...
[21:56:58] <DukeNuke2> the io
[21:57:07] <DukeNuke2> the rest is fusi
[21:57:10] <DukeNuke2> ;)
[21:57:28] <nachox> sun's sparc t2+ based boxes also has that many processors
[21:57:39] <DukeNuke2> vcpu
[21:57:50] <DukeNuke2> not physical
[21:57:57] <cypromis> nnice heaters
[21:58:12] <trochej> Throw in more coal, maybe winter will go
[21:59:13] *** _ej_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:00:29] *** Ramdac_ has quit IRC
[22:00:45] *** axisys has quit IRC
[22:01:52] <DukeNuke2> btw. the m9000 has "only" 64 hardware cpus with two threads per core
[22:02:45] <trochej> I believe my Doom II would run nice on it
[22:02:54] <trochej> Since it is not threaded anyway
[22:02:55] <e^ipi> "up to 64 quad-core SPARC64 VII processors"
[22:03:09] <e^ipi> quad core... not quad thread
[22:03:14] <e^ipi> as in, one socket, 4 cpu's
[22:03:22] <DukeNuke2> yes
[22:03:30] <cypromis> there is a subtle advantage for people who can read
[22:03:32] <x58> 256 total, with 2 threads a core, that is 512! :P
[22:03:35] <DukeNuke2> 64 cpu
[22:03:40] <DukeNuke2> 4 cores
[22:03:43] <DukeNuke2> 2 threads
[22:03:58] <CosmicDJ> wait, I need my calculator...
[22:04:20] <x58> don't forget to carry the 2 :P
[22:04:50] <CosmicDJ> echo "64*4*2" | bc
[22:04:56] <CosmicDJ> ah damn
[22:05:17] <DukeNuke2> i just wrote the max of 64 hardware cpus... there is the difference between spac64vi and 64vii
[22:05:25] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: in ksh93, echo $((64*4*2))
[22:05:30] <nachox> " SPARC64 VII processor module includes four physical cores, where each core can execute two threads. " impressive
[22:05:31] <DukeNuke2> two cores to 4 cores....
[22:06:27] *** Disorganized has quit IRC
[22:07:07] <CosmicDJ> can't think of any app which is capable of saturating such beasts...
[22:07:26] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: SPEC2006int
[22:07:27] <DukeNuke2> oracle ;)
[22:07:51] <trochej> My django calculator. :)
[22:08:01] <DukeNuke2> but one large domain on a m9000 is not very common (afaik)
[22:08:19] <DukeNuke2> they are splited in smaller domains
[22:09:13] <cypromis> depends
[22:09:22] <DukeNuke2> yepp
[22:09:30] <cypromis> nucleus calculations ?
[22:09:42] <cypromis> weather simulations
[22:09:43] <DukeNuke2> hpc mostly
[22:09:53] <cypromis> cristaline structure analysis
[22:09:59] <cypromis> and other mad stuff
[22:10:05] <trochej> My webapp
[22:10:25] <DukeNuke2> we sell a lot of hpc clusters for that kind of stuff
[22:10:36] <trochej> Porn realtime recoding-streaming center
[22:10:41] <CosmicDJ> m9000 in hpc clusters?
[22:10:41] <cypromis> lol
[22:10:42] <DukeNuke2> :D
[22:10:45] <DukeNuke2> no
[22:11:02] <DukeNuke2> x4140 or x2200
[22:11:13] <DukeNuke2> with many nodes
[22:11:24] <trochej> Counting zimbabwian inflation rate
[22:11:28] <hrist> lol
[22:11:31] <cypromis> hapy myriading and infinineting
[22:12:21] <x58> sending spam.
[22:12:26] <x58> Rapidly :P
[22:12:31] <CosmicDJ> DukeNuke2: start selling some niagara cpus ;) http://hpcvl.org/hardware/victoria-falls.html
[22:12:37] <cypromis> with 1024 threads in parallel ?
[22:12:38] <cypromis> nice
[22:12:54] <cypromis> death by spam DoS
[22:13:03] <trochej> death by bururu
[22:13:11] <hrist> snu snu
[22:13:33] <x58> I could see using that machine to do virtual hosting where customers are each handed a zone.
[22:13:35] <DukeNuke2> we can only sell what the customer wants to buy...
[22:14:10] <x58> set up appopriate resource limits per zone, and everyone is happy.
[22:14:22] <DukeNuke2> and the x series servers are faster for single threaded calculations...
[22:15:14] <DukeNuke2> and much cheaper ;)
[22:15:17] <sparcdr> if only you had the startup capital for the prohibitively expensive system
[22:16:05] <sparcdr> or rather systems since there's no 16 cpu n2 capable machines, which if available would cost 100k
[22:21:18] *** mega has quit IRC
[22:34:09] *** LouisJB_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:38:39] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris
[22:39:43] *** sparcdr has left #opensolaris
[22:45:25] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris
[22:46:11] *** DukeNuke2 has quit IRC
[22:48:37] *** Disorganized has quit IRC
[22:49:50] *** f1assistance1 has joined #opensolaris
[22:53:02] *** Cass has quit IRC
[22:56:19] <monsted> hmm, my OS2008.11 is very laggy - both in use (in GNOME on the console) and when accessing files on the system via smb - any idea where i should start looking for the problem?
[22:56:46] <monsted> the OS is on a mirrored bit of two 1 TB SATA drives and there a zpool set up to use the rest
[22:56:59] <monsted> core2 somethingorother with 2 GB RAM
[22:58:10] <monsted> running "101b"
[23:01:26] <sickness> monsted: what have you checked as of now? prstat -s rss 1 ? prstat -s cpu 1 ?
[23:01:48] <sickness> monsted: have you tried the dtrace examples that are on the dtrace community on opensolaris.org to monitor disk access and interrupts and so on?
[23:02:02] <sickness> monsted: have you checked fma status?
[23:02:16] *** duri has quit IRC
[23:02:45] *** duri has joined #opensolaris
[23:02:59] <monsted> i haven't checked a whole lot - opensolaris is pretty new to me :-/
[23:03:41] <monsted> nothing is chewing up memory or cpu from what i can see
[23:04:30] <sickness> is that just a file server? if it is I advice to not run the X server, I'll simply disable it
[23:04:55] <fraggeln> rule 1, svcadm disable cde-login :)
[23:04:59] <fraggeln> thats a good start :)
[23:05:01] <monsted> looks like i already did :)
[23:05:03] <sickness> does "iostat -e" show any errors?
[23:05:14] <sickness> monsted: you were talking about gnome...
[23:05:28] <monsted> it was lagging last time i actually had a console attached... ;)
[23:05:36] <sickness> monsted: http://www.brendangregg.com/dtrace.html <- there are examples and oneliners here too
[23:05:41] <monsted> 0 errors
[23:05:41] <x58> fraggeln: I don't think it is called cde-login anymore.
[23:06:02] <x58> /bin/sh: line 1: scvs: not found
[23:06:05] <sickness> svcs -a |grep graph
[23:06:08] <x58> disabled       Jan_17   svc:/application/graphical-login/gdm:default
[23:06:19] <x58> is the one you want.
[23:06:21] <sickness> svc:/application/graphical-login/gdm:default
[23:06:22] <sickness> yeah :)
[23:06:22] <monsted> disabled       Feb_26   svc:/application/graphical-login/gdm:default
[23:06:25] <monsted> :)
[23:06:29] <sickness> k
[23:06:45] <fraggeln> I run solaris10 on servers :D
[23:06:56] <fraggeln> only sxce for my WS, and on my WS I like to have X :D
[23:07:07] <x58> fraggeln: Yeah, the ON stuff uses GDM now.
[23:07:28] *** dmarkey has quit IRC
[23:07:32] <sickness> I hate gdm so I don't use it even on osol workstations, I just prefer to login and do an xinit >:P
[23:07:59] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris
[23:09:28] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[23:10:14] <x58> monsted: zpool status, and zpool iostat -v 1
[23:10:17] <x58> Anything going on there?
[23:12:09] <monsted> zpool is happy, zpool iostat looks normal
[23:12:23] <monsted> reading 30 MB/s, writing 20 MB/s - not impressive, but meh
[23:13:23] <x58> So how does it feel "laggy"?
[23:14:32] <monsted> if i play a video off the zfs from one client and write a file to it from another, the video will skip
[23:15:04] <monsted> when it had gnome running, it'd respond slowly to pretty much anything i asked it to do
[23:15:06] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris
[23:15:28] <monsted> i'm thinking i should probably get it up to date to begin with
[23:15:38] <x58> I run:
[23:15:43] <x58> SunOS Keyhole.network.lan 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[23:15:52] <x58> and I have had no such issues.
[23:16:05] <monsted> SunOS tinychef 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[23:16:07] <x58> And I regularly push files around at 60 MB/sec using the gigbit network.
[23:16:11] <monsted> pretty close ;)
[23:16:25] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris
[23:16:59] <x58> I don't have any of the issues you just mentioned
[23:17:06] <x58> how full is your zpool?
[23:17:47] <monsted> 50% on "rpool", 75% on the data pool
[23:22:10] <x58> It may be having fragmentation issues.
[23:22:22] <x58> Do you have many snapshots?
[23:23:03] <monsted> nope
[23:25:45] <x58> I don't know then.
[23:27:18] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris
[23:27:29] *** fftb_ has quit IRC
[23:28:10] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[23:28:20] <monsted> well, thanks for trying :)
[23:28:35] *** mynhier has quit IRC
[23:29:25] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris
[23:29:41] *** bizkut__ has joined #opensolaris
[23:31:30] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris
[23:34:04] *** plabrop has joined #opensolaris
[23:39:42] *** bizkut_ has quit IRC
[23:42:04] *** pgr has quit IRC
[23:44:45] *** plabrop is now known as CrayT3E
[23:45:16] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[23:46:36] *** f1assistance1 has left #opensolaris
[23:46:43] *** kirc1D30 has joined #opensolaris
[23:48:06] *** CrayT3E is now known as plabrop
[23:48:33] *** kirc1D30 has left #opensolaris
[23:49:19] *** ruse39[home] has quit IRC
[23:49:33] *** plabrop is now known as crayt3e
[23:49:51] *** crayt3e is now known as labrop
[23:51:41] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC
[23:51:59] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris
[23:52:55] *** labrop is now known as lofar
[23:52:59] *** lofar is now known as panos
[23:53:23] *** ceri has quit IRC
[23:57:21] *** ruse39[home] has joined #opensolaris
[23:57:25] <Disorganized> so i'm trying to install sxcd b109, but it just hangs on the kernel boot
[23:57:27] <Disorganized> anyone else run into that
[23:57:52] <Disorganized> i've let it sit for a sold hour
[23:57:55] <Disorganized> nothing
[23:58:53] *** hsp has quit IRC
[23:59:16] <CosmicDJ> Disorganized: http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with
[23:59:55] <Disorganized> CosmicDJ: thank you

   March 14, 2009  
< | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | >