March 13, 2009 
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March 13, 2009 [00:01:00] *** Gman__ has quit IRC[00:01:44] *** xy|ox has joined #opensolaris[00:03:01] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[00:06:11] <oenone> last try for today[00:08:05] <oenone> same panic :([00:11:10] *** Tusk21 has quit IRC[00:11:36] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[00:12:12] *** stevel has quit IRC[00:12:51] *** Catsceo has quit IRC[00:14:16] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[00:14:27] *** Catsceo has joined #opensolaris[00:14:41] <trichobezoar> I think we use brightmail here. Don't remember the last time I got a spam[00:16:49] *** sahX has quit IRC[00:16:57] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[00:18:29] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[00:18:52] *** sahX has quit IRC[00:19:23] <jamesd_> trichobezoar: it was probably at your mother-in-law's house for lunch ;-)[00:20:32] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[00:23:25] *** tosh has quit IRC[00:24:02] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[00:24:38] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[00:24:55] *** gm152 has quit IRC[00:25:11] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:26:23] <piwi> what is the fastest way (in meanings of downloadsize) to get a c compiler from repository (for opensolaris 109)[00:26:40] <e^ipi> install ss-dev[00:26:53] *** kate21de1 has joined #opensolaris[00:26:57] <piwi> ok[00:27:12] *** kate21de1 has quit IRC[00:27:12] <piwi> sunstudioexpresse has 600mb, says pkg info[00:27:43] <e^ipi> *shrug*[00:28:13] <nachox> piwi, opensolaris comes with gcc[00:28:35] *** legolasw has joined #opensolaris[00:28:41] <piwi> ok, maybe my pathes are wrong[00:28:43] <e^ipi> no it doesn't[00:28:47] <piwi> where to look for it?[00:28:51] <e^ipi> you need to install gcc-dev[00:29:11] <nachox> my bad :)[00:29:12] <piwi> ok, i'll first try ss-dev :)[00:30:35] *** gm152 has quit IRC[00:30:52] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:31:25] <nachox> e^ipi, i dont suppose you know why uadmin 3 20 returns Operation not supported even when S3 is enabled in power.conf, right?[00:31:41] *** jfisc has quit IRC[00:31:46] <e^ipi> driver that doesn't support it?[00:31:53] <e^ipi> *shrug*[00:32:18] <e^ipi> on that front, sys-suspend(1) should be coming soon[00:32:21] <nachox> i dont think it even tries to find that out[00:32:52] <e^ipi> just a guess, i don't use suspend[00:33:40] <piwi> ss-dev : 243,29 mb, gcc-dev: 27,95 mb[00:33:47] <piwi> i'll try gcc-dev[00:34:05] <piwi> what's the difference between SUNWgcc and gcc-dev?[00:34:20] <e^ipi> gcc-dev is a metapackage that includes things like the header[00:34:22] <e^ipi> s[00:34:34] <e^ipi> without which the compiler is pretty useless[00:34:50] <piwi> ok, thought so, too. but SUNWgcc is bigger?[00:34:56] *** wewek has quit IRC[00:34:59] *** gm152 has quit IRC[00:35:28] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:35:30] <jamesd_> piwi: bigger than what? sunstudio is a beast... includes lots of extras[00:35:45] <piwi> SUNWgcc is bigger than gcc-dev[00:35:46] <e^ipi> jamesd_: runtime efficiency vs. compile time efficiency[00:36:00] <e^ipi> a larger up-front cost leads to a smaller runtime cost[00:36:03] <jamesd_> sunstudio == cc, c++, fortran, netbeans, profilers[00:36:18] <piwi> but for now, i need download efficiency :)[00:36:19] <trichobezoar> whoa, soudns like it includes a STUDIO[00:36:29] <jamesd_> e^ipi: i know.. just commenting on that he called gcc larger.[00:36:40] <trichobezoar> larger than gcc-dev[00:37:30] <palowoda> Could log a bug and watch it get closed fast.[00:38:03] *** the-rar has quit IRC[00:38:10] <palowoda> Just for fun you know.[00:38:14] *** gm152 has quit IRC[00:38:35] * jamesd_ debates if it is worth paying an extra $100 for a t6400 vs p8400 intel chips will mostly just surfing the web and email but occausionally i may run an OS or two in vmware, xen...[00:38:56] <jamesd_> this is for a laptop.[00:39:04] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[00:39:10] <piwi> ok, gcc-dev seems sufficient for my needs. thank you[00:40:25] <trichobezoar> Would you be more sad if you lost $100 in a fire or if someone stole it?[00:43:01] <jamesd_> as long as it was in my house... it would be covered by insurance[00:43:03] *** kate21de has quit IRC[00:43:26] <e^ipi> jamesd_: your house insurance covers cash?[00:43:31] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[00:44:04] <jamesd_> e[00:44:07] <e^ipi> or do you mean fudging the lost stuff ( adding an extra 10 cd's to your collection ) ?[00:44:21] <jamesd_> e^ipi: maybe ...[00:46:14] <e^ipi> insurance is kinna a scam[00:46:33] <e^ipi> it's like the casino... everything's weighted towards the casino owner[00:46:38] <e^ipi> or insurance company[00:46:47] <e^ipi> except with insurance, you're betting against yourself[00:47:14] <jamesd_> yeap.. and should the insurance company loose money.. the goverment sends them a big check and a nice vacation in mexico[00:47:51] <jamesd_> e^ipi: but its only $200 for 45k in coverage, and that is only the contents.. i rent.[00:48:56] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[00:49:02] <e^ipi> i get the absolute minimum car insurance that i'm legally required to carry ( 250,000 liability ) , and avoid insurance otherwise[00:49:56] <scoffin> sometimes the smart bet is againsst yourself :-)[00:50:05] *** BenB has quit IRC[00:50:11] <e^ipi> in the off chance i ever end up buying a place, i'll have to to satiate the bank by getting insurance though[00:50:13] *** BenB has joined #opensolaris[00:50:32] <e^ipi> scoffin: insurance companies hire actuaries to ensure that that's never the case[00:50:58] <jamesd_> e^ipi: i have had a couple friends that lost everything++ in a fire.. they still had to pay back the credit card and loan companies for the destroyed items... so $200 is worth the peice of mine.[00:51:03] <scoffin> not "never" , just "statistically"[00:51:18] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[00:51:37] <e^ipi> scoffin: right, well... statistically you can also make it rich at the casino, but that's usually not the case[00:51:40] <jamesd_> e^ipi: explain "AIG" then... they screwed up... they got a bail out, and are now asking for a second one.[00:52:13] *** ericjray has quit IRC[00:52:14] * DiscordianUK notes that e^ipi evaluates to -1[00:52:16] <e^ipi> jamesd_: lending money to people that shouldn't have been lent money based[00:52:52] <jbk> actually writing insurance for amounts they coudn't possibly cover[00:52:57] <jamesd_> e^ipi: no, they insured the bank loans... that went bust.[00:53:07] <palowoda> It is fishy that both the insurer and the lender is bailed out simultaneous.[00:53:31] <jbk> oh, the aig bailout is nothing but a backdoor bailout of goldman sachs, and some european banks[00:54:24] <jbk> i still maintain while it might cause some short term harm, the world would be infinitely better off if goldman sachs corporate charter was dissolved, and it be put out of business immediately[00:54:34] <jbk> half that company should be in jail[00:54:35] <jamesd_> palowoda: yeah... but aig only covered the people that didn't have 20% down.. the banks still got the hit for the rest.. lots of houses are now upside down, more in loans than the houses are worth... house prices went down 30% or more.[00:55:41] *** alfism has quit IRC[00:55:41] *** Catsceo has quit IRC[00:55:45] <jamesd_> jbk: i think aig are worse or just as bad, followed by the banks that did the loans[00:55:57] <e^ipi> remember when usury was illegal?[00:56:18] <jbk> oh the banks are by no means innocent[00:56:20] <e^ipi> and making money off interest was considered edging on blasphemy[00:56:24] <e^ipi> good times...[00:56:27] <jbk> but there's a lot of shady stuff that's been overlooked[00:56:36] *** Catsceo has joined #opensolaris[00:56:43] <jbk> banks making loans they knew had 0 chance of being repaid was just one thing[00:56:48] <jbk> start looking at all the other stuff[00:56:55] <jbk> and it always seems goldman sachs is involved[00:57:47] <jbk> they were selling mortgage backed securities out the front door while betting the companies money that they were junk[00:57:53] <jamesd_> yeah.. only 5% of all loans/houses will be foreclosed on.. so 95% safe, ... AA rated securities...[00:58:02] <palowoda> I think the employee's of the banks should pay the property taxes now. Kind of like profit sharing reversed.[00:58:18] <jbk> it was their esteemed ex. ceo who lobbied for lifting leverage limits on investment banks until it finally came through (then he became treasury secretary)[00:58:25] *** dsch04 has quit IRC[00:58:37] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris[00:58:44] <CIA-40> Jan Setje-Eilers <Jan.Setje-Eilers at Sun dot COM>: 6816281 unplugging USB keyboard produces panic in progressbar_key_abort_thread[00:58:45] <jbk> they were involved in talks with the initial bailout of AIG[00:58:45] <CIA-40> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6814883 zfs warning if dataset exists[00:58:49] <jbk> no other IB was[00:58:56] <trichobezoar> heh[00:59:04] <jbk> and they just happened to have billions in credit default swaps written by AIG[00:59:36] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC[01:03:14] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[01:03:44] *** bgupta has left #opensolaris[01:04:11] *** bgupta has joined #opensolaris[01:07:14] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[01:07:33] *** e-jat has quit IRC[01:10:36] *** scoffin has quit IRC[01:11:45] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[01:13:04] <e^ipi> jbk: and yet nobody buys that corporations are like unelected governments...[01:13:37] <e^ipi> sufficiently large ( GS ) and they control enough of society that they can't be touched by those who are supposed to have a monopoly on violence[01:15:20] *** bubbva has quit IRC[01:15:32] *** [JT] has quit IRC[01:15:38] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[01:17:42] <lesterc> guys - is jumpstart the best way to install sxce on a new machine?[01:17:55] <martman> does opensolaris have a seperate ripo for media codecs?[01:18:07] <lesterc> (with pxe boot)[01:18:08] <e^ipi> it is if you have another machine[01:18:41] <lesterc> e^ipi: ta - now rtfm time....[01:18:43] <e^ipi> martman: no, sun doesn't illegally distribute IP[01:18:54] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[01:19:06] <martman> *repo[01:19:08] <martman> seperate repo[01:19:37] <lesterc> martman: get vlc. :)[01:20:27] <jamesd_> lesterc: jumpstart, live upgrade, or flars are good or even just using a nfs mounted iso is a big improvement.[01:21:00] <lesterc> but really - I stopped trying to use solaris as desktop.... unless I want to concentrate on a deadline. :)[01:21:17] <lesterc> no movies, no distraction.[01:21:43] *** tarbo_ has joined #opensolaris[01:21:49] <martman> heh[01:22:06] <lesterc> jamesd_: I use live upgrade and love it. Now I have a spare machine i'd like to get a setup so that I can install "new stuff" (tm) anytime. :)[01:22:39] <jamesd_> lesterc: that is what live upgrade is for.. especially on zfs root...[01:22:43] *** cwebber has quit IRC[01:22:46] *** cambazz has joined #opensolaris[01:23:07] <cambazz> hello. I would like to setup a svn server, and i noticed the opensolaris box has everything already[01:23:41] <cambazz> but i dont know how to make it start at boot time, create a repository and such that[01:23:45] <lesterc> I'm thinking jumping between different "distributions" - sol10/sxce/2008.11/nexenta etc..[01:23:54] <cambazz> and maybe there is already configuration[01:24:03] <cambazz> lesterce: what is nexenta[01:24:14] <oninoshiko> martman: I know for SXCE you can license the luendo codecs for free (as in beer)[01:24:16] <lesterc> #nexenta[01:24:57] <oninoshiko> cambazz: Gnu/Solaris[01:24:58] <jamesd_> lesterc: i met a sun employee that managed to use live upgrade and virtual box had sxce, sol10u6, and osol 2008* all on a single zfs pool[01:24:59] <lesterc> jamesd_: any pointers for flars[01:25:00] <lesterc> ?[01:25:24] <jamesd_> lesterc: make sure your hardware on both sides match...[01:25:54] <lesterc> jamesd_: u mean installing everything under vbox?[01:27:01] <jamesd_> lesterc: no.. installed opensolaris on raw hardware, install solaris 10 and/or sxce under vbox, and then zfs send sol10 to the raw hardware[01:27:14] <lesterc> ah[01:27:27] <lesterc> then setup grub to boot between them?[01:27:33] <jamesd_> yeap[01:27:37] *** nachox has quit IRC[01:27:59] <lesterc> sounds too much work. :D[01:28:23] <jamesd_> lesterc: email or post comments on blogs.sun.com/bobn he did a demo at a opensolaris user group of it working[01:28:46] * lesterc checks[01:28:49] <lesterc> thanks for the pointer[01:29:09] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[01:29:29] *** BenB has left #opensolaris[01:32:33] <lesterc> jamesd_: I would imagine there might be problem of mounting the same zpool on different installation, wouldn't it?[01:33:38] <jamesd_> lesterc: create the pool on the oldest OS and it should be fine.. sol10u6 would be the starting point and don't upgrade the pool[01:33:56] *** legolasw has quit IRC[01:34:01] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[01:34:23] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[01:34:32] *** tarbo has quit IRC[01:34:40] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[01:36:07] *** capaz has quit IRC[01:36:07] <lesterc> sounds like a plan - it would probably faster than running a few vm instances - although I can't play with all of them at the same time.[01:36:32] <flyingparchment> you might want to make sure you have the same version of LU everywhere[01:37:17] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:37:26] <jamesd_> lesterc: i think he mostly did it to prove that it works and for demoing stuff.. he was a solaris adoption engineer so needed them all on a daily basis[01:39:06] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:39:10] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[01:39:26] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris[01:42:17] *** cambazz has quit IRC[01:42:36] *** martman has quit IRC[01:43:45] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[01:43:55] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[01:44:59] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[01:47:04] *** legolasw has joined #opensolaris[01:47:50] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[01:48:58] *** ranks_ has joined #opensolaris[01:49:03] <ipfw> anyone in here use Azureus ?[01:49:56] *** sahX has quit IRC[01:50:56] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[01:52:01] *** piwi has quit IRC[01:53:23] *** alain10 has quit IRC[01:53:43] *** Troll_Man has joined #opensolaris[01:54:45] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[01:58:47] <CIA-40> Venugopal Iyer <Venu.Iyer at Sun dot COM>: 6810953 vnic with vid on same physical link failed to ping each other on snv_109[02:03:44] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[02:03:54] *** esok has left #opensolaris[02:05:40] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[02:10:20] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[02:10:20] *** revlo has quit IRC[02:11:35] *** myrkraverk` has joined #opensolaris[02:11:39] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[02:11:52] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[02:19:59] *** qiyong has quit IRC[02:25:17] *** ryshask_ has joined #opensolaris[02:27:05] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[02:27:14] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[02:27:58] *** DiscordianUK has quit IRC[02:28:00] *** Tusk21 has joined #opensolaris[02:29:17] <lewellyn_> boo.[02:29:28] *** lewellyn_ is now known as lewellyn[02:29:39] <ryshask_> we look like dorks in this restuarunt[02:30:08] <lewellyn> like that's new :D[02:30:23] <oninoshiko> o.0?[02:30:28] <Troll_Man> hello[02:30:40] <ryshask_> but as long as I can charge my laptop and phone I am happy.[02:31:26] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: i ran into ryshask_ and we're sitting in a middle eastern restaurant in the tenderloin :)[02:31:40] <lewellyn> yay good restaurants in skeezy neighborhoods[02:32:14] *** comay has quit IRC[02:32:26] *** nachox has quit IRC[02:33:37] <oninoshiko> ohhh. I love eating out[02:34:11] <oninoshiko> backing off though... besides to get really GOOD food i have to go to champaign anyway[02:34:56] <lewellyn> .il.us?[02:35:05] *** ranks_ has left #opensolaris[02:35:11] <oninoshiko> indeed.[02:35:48] *** brett_ has joined #opensolaris[02:37:11] *** ryshask_ has quit IRC[02:38:04] *** ken-zZz has quit IRC[02:43:07] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[02:43:50] <oninoshiko> lewellyn: spend much time here?[02:44:25] <infomomo> lewellyn: Hello friend :D[02:44:45] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[02:44:50] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[02:46:52] *** legolasw2 has joined #opensolaris[02:47:19] *** legolasw has quit IRC[02:48:49] <lewellyn> oninoshiko: no :)[02:48:53] <lewellyn> infomomo: hi[02:48:57] * lewellyn detaches screen[02:49:01] <nachox> e^ipi, my uadmin bug was a known one, something wrong with pmconfig -f it seems. running pmconfig manually solves the problem[02:49:19] <nachox> suspend of course does not work yet but at least now i can try :P[02:52:30] *** nachox has quit IRC[02:55:12] *** capaz has quit IRC[03:03:10] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[03:04:40] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris[03:05:14] *** Tusk21 has quit IRC[03:05:21] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[03:08:22] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[03:08:25] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris[03:08:29] <Teltariat> Heeeeey![03:08:37] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[03:09:12] <oninoshiko> !yeeeeeh[03:11:07] <jamesd_> yeehah[03:12:07] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris[03:12:36] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris[03:14:54] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[03:16:41] *** radroot is now known as rootard[03:19:48] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[03:20:29] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[03:22:18] *** gm152 has quit IRC[03:22:28] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[03:29:10] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[03:34:07] *** infomomo has quit IRC[03:35:09] *** legolasw2 has quit IRC[03:35:29] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[03:39:15] *** rv- has quit IRC[03:39:59] *** Jondice has quit IRC[03:43:49] *** dmoerner has joined #opensolaris[03:45:28] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[03:46:55] *** legolasw2 has joined #opensolaris[03:49:30] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[03:51:00] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[03:51:03] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[03:53:05] *** chillywilly has joined #opensolaris[03:55:24] <chillywilly> I was just wondering if anyone knows of any drawbacks in building Solaris 9 package with gcc? Seems a few admins do not care for the idea at my work place, but I was wondering why...and I don't recall what they had said to me before so I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on the matter[03:55:43] <eviljames> They probably have it in for gcc[03:55:46] <e^ipi> because gcc sucks?[03:55:53] <jmcp> because gcc doesn't build packages?[03:56:01] <e^ipi> it's code generation is pretty bad[03:56:02] <chillywilly> ugh[03:56:08] <jmcp> because Solaris 9 is, like, just so freakin' old and inefficient?[03:56:14] <chillywilly> yes, I know it's not the most optimized compiler ever[03:56:20] <e^ipi> that's an understatement[03:56:27] <flyingparchment> because all of gcc's binaries depend on libgcc.so by default[03:56:32] <chillywilly> that's besides the point, but thanks for that statement :)[03:56:42] <jmcp> chillywilly: why not build for s10?[03:56:44] <jmcp> or nv?[03:56:51] <e^ipi> and why not use studio, as it's free[03:56:53] <chillywilly> what's nv?[03:56:55] <e^ipi> and good[03:57:21] <jmcp> chillywilly: Solaris Express Community Edition, of which the core kernel and userland are commonly referred to as "Nevada"[03:57:24] <jmcp> based on Sun's codename for it[03:57:34] <jmcp> .... and Nevada's abbreviation is NV[03:57:40] <chillywilly> alright[03:57:48] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[03:57:49] *** dmoerner has left #opensolaris[03:57:50] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[03:58:04] <chillywilly> I don't have much background in Solaris so I apologize[03:58:31] <jmcp> nowurries[03:58:45] <CIA-40> Sinanallur Balasubramanian <sinanallur.balasubramanian at sun dot com>: 6815079 supernova:rock_copy.s should use ldd instead of ldx to load FP register values.[03:58:45] <jmcp> but seriously. Solaris 9.... don't.[03:58:55] <chillywilly> too late[03:59:04] <chillywilly> we have legacy systems in place already before 10 ever came out[03:59:12] * jmcp sends chillywilly a sympathy packet[03:59:16] <jmcp> on sparc?[03:59:19] <chillywilly> yes[03:59:33] <jmcp> Etude![03:59:44] <jmcp> which is Solaris 8 or Solaris 9 inside a branded container on Solaris 10[04:00:01] <chillywilly> heh, we still have solaris 8 systems that we are trying to obsolete[04:00:06] <chillywilly> before the end of the month[04:00:11] <chillywilly> lol[04:00:15] <jmcp> got an axe? :-)[04:00:21] <oninoshiko> oh, i think you have it quite obsoleted already[04:00:39] <chillywilly> well I was trying to build ossec on solaris 9 with the sun compiler but that seems um, *fun*[04:00:42] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[04:01:08] <chillywilly> too many gcc'ism in that code it seems[04:02:33] <chillywilly> flyingparchment: I think you may have hit the nail on the head though...the extra libgcc library dependency and the suboptimal code generation might've been the reasons against using gcc ;)[04:03:18] <chillywilly> jmcp: I believe containers are/will be evaluated and used to move old crust versions of Solaris[04:03:24] <chillywilly> crusty*[04:03:45] <jmcp> chillywilly: that would be a good thing[04:04:36] <Tempt> jmcp: Don't be ragging on Solaris 8! ;-)[04:04:36] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[04:04:43] * jmcp snorts[04:04:44] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[04:05:11] <oninoshiko> Tempt: tachnicly we are mostly ragging on S9[04:05:49] <chillywilly> I don't mean to blastpheme, but I can't say that I am a big fan of Solaris ;)[04:05:53] <jamesd_> solaris 8 was/is too damm good, if you don't need dtrace/zfs its a damm sweet thing it just keeps running and running.[04:05:54] * jmcp rags on all Solaris versions prior to 10[04:05:58] <jmcp> chillywilly: *shrug*[04:06:12] <nachox> the last 9 release is less than 3 years old....[04:06:12] <e^ipi> chillywilly: you're on S9 ... that's not surprising[04:06:22] <e^ipi> try a recent version[04:06:26] <chillywilly> we have a few s10 installs as well[04:06:43] <nachox> if you dont like solaris, you have not yet used solaris 10[04:06:46] <chillywilly> I still miss gnu utils options on those hosts[04:06:58] <e^ipi> chillywilly: use /usr/gnu[04:07:01] <e^ipi> *shrug*[04:07:04] <jmcp> chillywilly: you can get the Companion CD[04:07:09] <e^ipi> or /usr/sfw[04:07:11] <jmcp> and there's stuff in /usr/sfw[04:07:11] <nachox> os /usr/sfw in solaris 10[04:07:13] <Tempt> Solaris 9 was great, too.[04:07:24] <nachox> was it? :)[04:07:25] <jmcp> true, it was an advance over Solaris 7[04:07:26] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[04:07:28] <jmcp> and slightly better than 8[04:07:42] <nachox> it had gnome 2.0 :)[04:07:48] <Tempt> It was a good general purpose UNIX. Better than anything else available at the time.[04:10:55] <jamesd_> here's a blasphous statement... solaris 8 scaled better than 10, it ran on anything from a 40mhz 32bit cpu to 4ghz 64bit cpus, as well as 256cpu box and everything in between.[04:11:30] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[04:11:44] <e^ipi> loss of downwards scale is the price you pay for advanced features *shrug*[04:11:47] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[04:12:08] <chillywilly> I can run freebsd on my toaster ;)[04:12:19] <jmcp> jamesd_: it didn't run on 4GHz 64bit cpus[04:12:30] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: which advanced features required dropping 32-bit sparc?[04:12:32] <jbk> it might have _run_ on an e10k[04:12:32] <chillywilly> and apparently linux on my wifi router[04:12:39] <jbk> but i'm not so sure it ran _well_[04:12:45] <nachox> that would depend on what you mean by scaled, imho, scaling means doing n+1 times the work when you add 1 processor to your existing n[04:12:46] <jmcp> and iirc there were significant mods required in order to get us-IV dualcore support in there as a patch, too[04:12:51] <jamesd_> jmcp: what it didn't support 4ghz p4 chips?[04:12:57] <chillywilly> and um...netbsd on my retna...maybe not[04:12:59] <oninoshiko> so what your saying there, chillywilly, is that freebsd is good at pointless stuff?[04:12:59] <jmcp> jamesd_: they weren't 64bit[04:13:15] <jmcp> jamesd_: and it didn't support x64 either[04:13:23] <chillywilly> oninoshiko: sure :)[04:13:29] <jamesd_> ok.. so it was 2ghz 64 bit cpus and 4ghz 32bit cpus[04:13:37] <e^ipi> flyingparchment: probably a bunch if you take in to account that there are finite engineering resources, and assigning them to decades-EOL hardware isn't a smart place to put them[04:13:47] <jbk> at a previous job[04:13:50] <jbk> on the larger machines[04:14:02] <jbk> we saw a _noticable_ jump in improvement just by going s8->s10[04:14:05] <jmcp> jamesd_: we didn't have 2GHz sun4u for quite some time[04:14:12] <jbk> typically 10% or more[04:14:14] <jmcp> jamesd_: whatever...[04:14:18] <chillywilly> oninoshiko: you can thank theo for that ;P[04:14:21] <jbk> just running standard 3 tier j2ee stuff[04:14:25] <jbk> not other changes but OS[04:14:31] <jbk> same hardware (towards the higher end)[04:14:47] <jmcp> that'll be the improved locking and scaling, removal of arbitrary resource limits, and suchlike[04:14:58] <jamesd_> jmcp: yes but they ran on it.. we had some 2.1ghz fujitsu sparc64 chips at my last job running 8[04:15:39] <jmcp> and like I said "there were significant mods required..."[04:16:04] <evocallaghan> Howdy, what's tonights topic ?[04:16:20] <jmcp> evocallaghan: ragging on people who think Solaris 8 was good[04:16:21] <jmcp> :-)[04:16:47] <jbk> solaris 8 was good, but solaris 10 is better :)[04:16:53] <oninoshiko> you mean Theo "my OS is secure in a default (but completely unusable for anything practical) configuration, so im going to cry about it's lack of noteritory because it doesn't stroke me ego enough" THAT theo?[04:17:00] <jbk> i mean, on compatible hardware, i'd take it over any of it's contemporaries[04:17:29] <evocallaghan> jmcp: Hey buddy, hows things?[04:17:33] <jamesd_> gotta love boxes that stayed up 400+ days, running large databases, some run so well people refuse to patch for fear that they break and it hurts the company.[04:17:33] <nachox> solaris 8 in x86 was painful[04:17:36] <jmcp> evocallaghan: reasonable[04:17:42] <evocallaghan> hehe[04:17:50] <jmcp> nachox: starting with that horrible realmode installer[04:17:55] <jmcp> I'm *so* glad we got rid of it[04:18:14] <evocallaghan> I never touched sol8/9 nor am I going too[04:18:41] <e^ipi> yeah, take that... personal market value[04:19:05] *** proberts has quit IRC[04:19:13] <e^ipi> you should put that on your resume... "i know solaris... 10... and won't touch anything previous"[04:19:16] <evocallaghan> I value my life[04:19:17] <evocallaghan> :D[04:19:33] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[04:19:33] <nachox> jmcp, we loved that dos partition we used for real mode drivers :)[04:19:37] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[04:19:42] <jbk> on sparc they're fine, just feel a bit crude now :)[04:19:47] <flyingparchment> so i have TSpca installed in a zone. i replace it with a new TSpca using instance=overwrite. instead, it creates TSpca.2 in the zone. what's up? (i ran pkgadd in the global zone)[04:20:00] <evocallaghan> May as well add "don't touch RHEL unless gloves are provided"[04:20:08] <evocallaghan> gold ones[04:20:28] <nachox> i like their kickstart[04:20:40] <jbk> when it works :)[04:20:47] <nachox> of course :)[04:20:54] <chillywilly> pffft[04:21:20] <jbk> there's like a 10+ yr old bug w/ redhat's installer when you pick dhcp + the wrong interface (if i remember correctly)[04:21:28] <evocallaghan> Things are nice when they work (.)[04:21:29] <jbk> err doesn't even require dhcp[04:21:32] *** elektronkind_ has joined #opensolaris[04:21:40] <jbk> i think it tries that first, then if it fails, prompts for IP info[04:21:48] <jbk> and if you pick the wrong one[04:22:02] <chillywilly> don't pick the wrong one[04:22:05] <jbk> and enter info manually, fails, and you try to pick a different interface[04:22:13] <jbk> it never resets the default gateway correctly[04:22:17] *** elektronkind has quit IRC[04:22:33] <jbk> chillywilly: when you have eth0-9 and no physical access to the box, easier said than done :)[04:22:36] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[04:23:03] <jbk> and no indication which ones have links[04:23:06] <e^ipi> heh... ethX[04:23:09] <oninoshiko> now THATs an appropiate responce for a "supported" OS. that's the one of the reasons i like Sol[04:23:11] <nachox> jbk, also with kickstart you can only use ext2/3 as the filesystem for / :) i love when i have a choice[04:23:17] *** e1mer has quit IRC[04:23:40] <jbk> well up until very recently, you could only have ufs for / on solaris, so can't fault them too much for that[04:23:49] <jbk> as annoying as ext2/3 can be[04:24:25] <nachox> couldnt you configure jumpstart to use veritas?[04:24:43] <flyingparchment> vxfs / isn't supported, afaik..[04:25:02] <jmcp> correct[04:25:27] <flyingparchment> unless you use hp-ux[04:25:28] <jmcp> iirc, most of the issue is that you have to be able to crashdump to your root filesystem type, and last I heard vxfs didn't do that[04:25:28] <flyingparchment> ;-D[04:25:46] *** m3t4l has joined #opensolaris[04:26:02] * evocallaghan looks forward to stable read support for ext2/3 in solaris[04:26:06] <jbk> you could put / on a vxvm volume though[04:26:17] <flyingparchment> jbk: yeah, but only in a lame way[04:26:22] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[04:26:25] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[04:26:42] <jbk> well it beats using svm[04:26:56] *** rootard has left #opensolaris[04:27:47] <chillywilly> I don't like svm[04:28:03] *** e1kg1 has quit IRC[04:28:09] <jbk> i don't think anyone really does[04:28:24] <nachox> it was not that hard to configure...[04:28:44] <jbk> it is hell when you have more than a handful of filesystems sitting on it[04:28:56] <jbk> since every single component is dNNNN[04:28:59] <nachox> that it is[04:29:06] <flyingparchment> jbk: so just use svm for root and vx for everything else[04:29:31] <jbk> but then you're looking at having to deal with two different command sets for essentially the same thing[04:29:40] <nachox> nod[04:29:42] <jbk> (this is why a lot of places will use vxvm encapsulation)[04:29:45] <chillywilly> I had to pleasure of using it the other day: setup 3rd disk, dumped to it, booted off it, broke the mirror, repartitioned, dumped again, booted off 1st disk, recreated mirror...that was fun[04:29:51] <jbk> though for me at least, it's largely academic now[04:29:55] <jbk> zfs++[04:30:02] <chillywilly> lvm++[04:30:09] * oninoshiko <3s zfs[04:30:19] <nachox> lvm? as in linux lvm? that is painful[04:30:31] <chillywilly> I don't know a lot about zfs yet...I think our Sun vendor is going to take us out to lunch and tell us all about it ;)[04:30:35] <nachox> at least when compared to zfs[04:30:46] <chillywilly> yes I prefer linux to solaris[04:30:54] <jmcp> chillywilly: ask them to show you a Storage 7410[04:31:05] <oninoshiko> chillywilly: there is nothing he can say that is more impressive then to actually see it working[04:31:23] <nachox> ugh... linux...[04:31:25] <jbk> download the vmware image[04:31:27] <jbk> try it out[04:31:31] <jbk> you won't have the performance[04:31:31] <jamesd_> chillywilly: sorry your so attched to gnuisms... and haven't seen dtrace/zfs/smf/crossbow/zones etc in action[04:31:35] <jbk> but the functionality is identical[04:32:00] <jbk> no license keys or anything[04:32:10] <jbk> though you might get a call in the future to follow up[04:33:01] <nachox> smf is way better than anything i've seen in linux for the same purpose[04:33:05] <jbk> (I almost fainted when I heard that -- sun sales actually trying to sell? it almost made me want to bet on the cubs winning the world series :P)[04:33:06] <flyingparchment> nachox: what i never understood about linux lvm is why they based it on one of the nastiest VMs in the industry[04:33:10] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[04:33:14] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[04:33:14] <jbk> hp-ux? :)[04:33:17] <flyingparchment> i mean, if you're writing something new, why not make it not suck?[04:33:29] <nachox> flyingparchment, because ibm funded it?[04:33:40] <flyingparchment> wouldn't IBM want it to be like AIX?[04:33:43] <jbk> though do they require mapfiles when doing an ha cluster like on hp-ux?[04:33:56] <flyingparchment> jbk: uh .. linux supports HA clusters? ;)[04:33:56] <jbk> i thought aix's lvm was different[04:34:02] <flyingparchment> it is[04:34:10] <flyingparchment> quite a lot nicer, iirc..[04:34:14] <jbk> flyingparchment: with enough bubblegum and duct tape[04:34:19] <oninoshiko> I am shocked... I can't even get a sales rep to call me back[04:34:30] <jbk> linux's looks almost exactly like hp-ux's lvm from using both[04:34:38] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[04:34:38] <oninoshiko> jbk: dont for get a few bent up paper-clips[04:34:39] <jbk> but i've not setup any linux ha clusters[04:34:39] <flyingparchment> yep[04:34:44] *** Jondice has quit IRC[04:34:47] <jbk> i just remember with hp-ux[04:35:11] <nachox> red hat has a cluster solution that comes for free with their new redhat licenses i think[04:35:31] <jbk> all volumes are identified by a number, and the only mapping that exists is the minor# in the /dev/<vgname>/<volume> entry[04:35:46] <jbk> it wasn't stored as volume group metadata[04:35:55] <jbk> so you had to create a map file, and import that on your other nodes[04:36:02] <jbk> and if you lost that[04:36:11] <flyingparchment> i liked how you have to manually mknod every time you create a vg.[04:36:11] <oninoshiko> im sure it even comes with a free call to someone who has no idea how to actually set it up (but hey, they knew how to spell linux!)[04:36:13] <jbk> you had to play 'can i figure out which filesystem this is'[04:36:24] <jbk> that too :)[04:36:46] <nachox> jbk, path_to_inst?:P[04:36:49] <flyingparchment> fortunately i don't think linux copied that bit..[04:37:33] <nachox> linux has udev, it autocreates /dev stuff, no more mknode for them[04:37:38] <jbk> i'm talking about hp-ux's lvm[04:37:53] <jbk> with veritas (dunno about svm), the volume name is part of the disk group metadata[04:37:56] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[04:38:23] <jbk> thus when you do 'vxdg import diskgroup' on a box, all the volume entries under /dev/vx/diskgroup are created automatically[04:38:36] <jbk> with the same names as they were on the original node[04:38:58] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[04:39:10] *** m3t4l has left #opensolaris[04:39:59] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[04:40:03] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[04:40:18] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[04:40:51] <chillywilly> well, it's been fun[04:40:55] <chillywilly> bye[04:40:58] *** chillywilly has left #opensolaris[04:41:07] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:42:27] *** Jondice has quit IRC[04:45:35] *** evocallaghan has left #opensolaris[04:46:58] *** legolasw2 has quit IRC[04:48:16] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[04:48:20] *** ry_laptop has joined #opensolaris[04:48:33] <ry_laptop> today was a good day. I didn't have to use my a.k.[04:51:45] <radsy> same here[04:54:38] <Topdeck_> Is there a way to resume a `zfs send -R`?[04:55:04] <ry_laptop> this aint zmodem :)[04:58:06] <Topdeck_> lol[04:58:59] <Topdeck_> I have like 600G of data to send (just once, then incremental) and it failed after 200G & 3-4 hours[04:59:13] <ry_laptop> if you have the space, zfs send to a local file.[04:59:17] <ry_laptop> then rsync it.[04:59:43] <Topdeck_> was thinking about that, that's how we're going to do the incrementals[04:59:45] <ry_laptop> you can then compress it if that helps.[05:00:03] <ry_laptop> Yeah[05:00:09] <ry_laptop> or even, sneaker net it :)[05:00:10] <Topdeck_> can I zfs send to a file on the pool I'm going to send?[05:00:16] <ry_laptop> sure.[05:00:19] <ry_laptop> it's just a snapshot[05:00:21] <Topdeck_> Or will that suck me into a black hole?[05:00:24] <ry_laptop> so new data doesn't affect it.[05:00:24] <Topdeck_> oh yeah[05:00:27] <ry_laptop> :)[05:00:31] <Topdeck_> of course, thanks[05:00:33] <ry_laptop> np[05:00:45] <ry_laptop> takes some getting used to.[05:01:04] <Topdeck_> been working on getting this file server up for a while, still learning new awesome things about ZFS[05:01:30] <ry_laptop> heh[05:01:38] <[JT]> I'm loving the snapshots.[05:01:56] <[JT]> Completely fscked up my box, rebooted to an earlier snapshot, whammo.[05:02:24] <ry_laptop> heh yup[05:02:37] <ry_laptop> I'm hoping I can run solaris as my main laptop OS sometime in the future.[05:02:44] <ry_laptop> it's pretty close.[05:02:49] <[JT]> Not used to that - I was panicking a bit before I remembered I could do that. :)[05:03:12] <ry_laptop> heh[05:03:20] <ry_laptop> It's a huge time saver down the road.[05:03:37] <ry_laptop> basically windows has had that feature for YEARS, so I'm glad to see a unix os utilize it.[05:03:49] <ry_laptop> and it does it soooo much better.[05:05:40] *** Cass has quit IRC[05:09:21] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[05:11:27] *** gaveen has quit IRC[05:11:59] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[05:15:23] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[05:21:14] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[05:24:14] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[05:26:20] <flyingparchment> why do i get random EINTR on various NFS operations? (mostly while compiling things)[05:26:47] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[05:29:41] *** m3t4l has joined #opensolaris[05:30:04] <ry_laptop> bouncy caltrain here[05:30:05] <ry_laptop> woooo[05:30:10] <ry_laptop> this is better than a roller coaster[05:30:16] *** m3t4l has quit IRC[05:30:56] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:37:17] *** [JT] has quit IRC[05:43:47] * ry_laptop tries securecrt for the first time in YEARS[05:44:00] *** jwk404 has joined #opensolaris[05:45:35] *** radsy has quit IRC[05:46:18] <ry_laptop> omfg[05:46:24] <ry_laptop> it does bold font rendering perfectly.... sold[05:46:35] <flyingparchment> it also does double-width and double-height text[05:46:39] <flyingparchment> (but only in the vt100 font)[05:46:40] <ry_laptop> Jesus, wtf?[05:46:49] <ry_laptop> why didn't I think of using securecrt????[05:46:50] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[05:46:54] * ry_laptop in bliss[05:47:26] <ry_laptop> what's really scary is it even looks good with black on white![05:48:00] <ry_laptop> Oh man[05:48:15] <ry_laptop> SOLD[05:48:32] <flyingparchment> the only thing it's missing is a unix version[05:48:42] <ry_laptop> lol.[05:48:44] <ry_laptop> you have xter m:)[05:49:01] <flyingparchment> the terminal emulator is only 50% of securecrt[05:49:05] <ry_laptop> man[05:49:06] <e^ipi> there are a couple dozen terminal emulators you can choose from[05:49:11] <ry_laptop> to think I've been using putty all this time[05:49:18] <e^ipi> and if you get bored, you can write one yourself[05:49:25] <ry_laptop> back in the day I used securecrt, and for some reason migrated to putty[05:49:32] <flyingparchment> i actually did, except i used an existing terminal emulator and just wrote the ssh part.[05:49:35] <ry_laptop> I wish I was THAT bored[05:49:52] <e^ipi> ry_laptop: it's an evening job[05:50:09] <ry_laptop> you're doing that eh?[05:50:15] <e^ipi> no, just saying[05:50:17] <ry_laptop> heh[05:50:21] <ry_laptop> wow, even has transparency...[05:50:23] <ry_laptop> this is really nice[05:50:31] <ry_laptop> I feel like I've just gotten out of the dar kages[05:50:34] <e^ipi> i have better ways to spend my time than reinventing that particular wheel[05:50:38] <ry_laptop> *nod* yup[05:51:07] <ry_laptop> having tabs, under windows is snice too[05:51:09] <flyingparchment> unless openssh has got a lot better recently, it's still missing some features of securecrt. can it open a new login or sftp session in a new tab without having to re-connect/authenticate with the host?[05:51:29] <ry_laptop> dunno, just started using it. version 610[05:51:41] <flyingparchment> no, scrt can do that, openssh can't[05:51:46] <ry_laptop> Oh I see. hhe[05:51:47] <ry_laptop> heh[05:51:58] <ry_laptop> lew showed me this today, and I was dumbfounded by how dumb I've been.[05:52:10] <ry_laptop> I used securecrt for almost 5 years...[05:52:16] <ry_laptop> but during that time I was heavily using vnc[05:52:25] <ry_laptop> so I guess I didn't mind the lack of terminal emulation when I transitioned to putty[05:53:38] <ry_laptop> now if I could only find the font[05:54:48] <ry_laptop> ahh ther eit is[05:58:43] <CIA-40> Seth Goldberg <Seth.Goldberg at Sun dot COM>: 6743993 Toshiba M10: optical volume control not supported[06:01:32] <ry_laptop> woot almost home.[06:01:55] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[06:02:30] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[06:07:43] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[06:08:11] *** Jondice has quit IRC[06:08:17] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris[06:15:24] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[06:15:29] *** sahX has quit IRC[06:19:53] *** ry_laptop has quit IRC[06:37:32] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[06:41:58] <sickness> morning all[06:42:08] <jbk> evening[06:50:41] *** wbkang has quit IRC[06:57:49] *** ry_laptop has joined #opensolaris[06:57:53] <ry_laptop> finally home[06:58:00] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[06:58:41] <CIA-40> Seth Goldberg <Seth.Goldberg at Sun dot COM>: 6743993 Toshiba M10: optical volume control not supported (fix cddl)[07:00:56] <e^ipi> good coffee ry_laptop ?[07:01:00] <devians> whats the command to get the serial numbers for my hdd devices? theres 2 and ive forgotten both :([07:01:15] <ry_laptop> was okay[07:01:16] <ry_laptop> :)[07:01:23] <ry_laptop> a little burnt... like I like it.[07:01:33] <e^ipi> you guys went to blue bottle?[07:01:35] <ry_laptop> yup[07:01:40] <devians> c4t1d0 has 641 write errors, back to the store it goes! :([07:01:43] <e^ipi> you see their nifty siphon bar?[07:01:45] <ry_laptop> how do you know about these hidden places heh?[07:01:49] <ry_laptop> Yeah, that was trippy[07:01:53] <e^ipi> *shrug* coffee people[07:01:55] <ry_laptop> heh[07:02:08] * ry_laptop trying to get securecrt to do color AND bold text.[07:05:07] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:06:18] <e^ipi> ry_laptop: funny thing is, i've never lived in SF, and i've been only a very small handful of times[07:06:23] <e^ipi> yet i know where to get coffee[07:06:26] <ry_laptop> *nod*[07:06:36] <ry_laptop> yeah... that's why I ask. i tis strange. esp when you say it like that heh[07:08:29] <jbk> heh[07:08:48] <jbk> i find that i get incredibly angry having to drive anywhere around the bay area[07:08:57] <jbk> so i avoid travelling there whenever possible[07:09:14] <e^ipi> that's because the lanes are the size of 0.8 the width of a regular car[07:09:27] <e^ipi> and people swerve in to you, expecting you to dodge them[07:09:56] <jbk> more because the lanes could have little congested and there will still be someone in the left hand lanes doing at least 15 under the speed limit[07:10:09] <devians> ah, cfgadm -v[07:10:50] <e^ipi> i don't understand your speed limits so i just guess[07:11:05] <e^ipi> i also blew through a toll booth without paying[07:11:18] <jbk> heh[07:11:29] <e^ipi> luckily it was a rental car, so now it's Budget's problem[07:12:09] <jbk> what about them don't you understand? :)[07:12:42] <e^ipi> i'm just used to metric[07:13:00] <jbk> i just match the numbers :)[07:13:04] <e^ipi> so i see "35" and my response is "fuck that, i'm going 60"[07:13:34] <e^ipi> i drive 35 in a school zone[07:13:34] <jbk> or when i was in canada, i'd just look down and convert it to something more familiar[07:13:58] <e^ipi> 100km is highway speed. 50 is city speed, 30 is school zone, and 10 is parking lot[07:14:03] <e^ipi> *shrug*[07:14:09] <jbk> i was pretty sure the whole 'but it said 100' excuse wouldn't work :)[07:14:14] <e^ipi> heh[07:14:14] <ry_laptop> darn it, looks like a bug that was fixed in 6.1.3 was re-introduced in 6.1.4 of securecrt[07:15:02] <e^ipi> jbk: you didn't see the big " thinKMetric " signs as you cross the border?[07:15:16] <jbk> probably[07:15:23] <jbk> it's been over 10 years ago :)[07:15:59] <jbk> but down here, if there's not much traffic, if you're not going 120+kph, you'll get passed[07:17:44] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:17:57] <e^ipi> isn't there some state that doesn't have a speed limit on some roads?[07:18:14] <jbk> montana used to at least (during the daytime)[07:18:23] <jbk> though even before that, I think the fine was $5[07:18:34] <jbk> so you just carried some cash on you, and could pay it immediately[07:18:52] <e^ipi> isn't that just bribing a cop?[07:19:31] <jbk> not if it's officially sanctioned :)[07:20:11] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[07:21:32] <lblume> Good afternoon, people.[07:21:43] *** lesterc has quit IRC[07:26:25] *** stux|RC has joined #opensolaris[07:26:55] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[07:28:53] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[07:29:41] *** chrol has quit IRC[07:31:28] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[07:34:19] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[07:35:39] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[07:36:09] *** ken is now known as ken-work[07:36:51] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[07:38:44] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[07:42:08] *** stux|RC-only has quit IRC[07:42:34] *** wbkang has quit IRC[07:49:18] *** estibi_ has quit IRC[08:07:16] *** div111 has joined #opensolaris[08:10:37] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[08:11:24] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[08:11:55] <_setuid_H> Morning all[08:12:53] *** krisis has joined #opensolaris[08:16:17] <jzu_> anyone got Siemens MC35/MC35i modem to donate?=)[08:17:13] *** free has quit IRC[08:17:24] *** free has joined #opensolaris[08:23:55] <_setuid_H> jzu_: I'm thinking of buying some modem too :-)[08:28:09] <jzu_> _setuid_H: heh :)[08:28:26] <jzu_> _setuid_H: I've been looking for Siemens MC35/MC35i from Ebay, but there ain't any with Buy It Now right now =)[08:29:01] <jzu_> _setuid_H: we're gonna setup Ultra2 as Nagios-server for monitoring V240 & V480 server's in colocation[08:29:54] <jzu_> still thinking between Solaris 10 & OpenSolaris, hah[08:30:06] <jzu_> gotta look at the differences when I have more time in my hands[08:30:12] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[08:30:56] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris[08:31:39] <lblume> Is it possible to have Solaris 10 and OS.c boot from the same zpool?[08:31:54] <jmcp> not really a good idea[08:32:56] <_setuid_H> lblume: I think that this is possible, yes but you can have problems with zfs issues e.g. some features from osol should not be working on the old zfs version from sol10 ...[08:33:17] <_setuid_H> lblume: I have osol and sxce on one zpool[08:33:21] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[08:33:27] <_setuid_H> lblume: not have but had[08:34:53] <lblume> Well, the current versions are not so far from each other, and I'd like to keep an S10 running as a reference.[08:36:16] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[08:36:22] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[08:36:38] <_setuid_H> lblume: if you're able to get running SUNWipkg on sol10 (there is somewhere package for s10 and sxce, but mako is missing, so better will be to build it by yourself), than you're able to create bootable image[08:36:44] <_setuid_H> s/than/then[08:37:03] *** Tusk2 has left #opensolaris[08:40:16] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[08:44:38] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:46:09] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[08:49:17] <lblume> _setuid_H: Hmmm, yes, I reaalize the limitations of zboot make this difficult.... Probably I should keep it simpler on two disks.[08:49:44] <_setuid_H> lblume: this is one of the zfs issues that can cause problems[08:50:37] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[08:52:41] <lblume> More a limitation than an issue, but really a regression compared to UFS...[08:52:52] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:53:51] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[08:55:39] <DTEIT> morning[08:58:55] <CIA-40> Reed <Reed.Liu at Sun dot COM>: 6800316 SYSTEM PANIC - running luxadm stress tests - luxadm alignment error -on both snv 106 and 107[08:59:24] <_setuid_H> DTEIT: morning[08:59:58] *** devians has quit IRC[09:04:19] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:05:50] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[09:06:37] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[09:11:39] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[09:12:57] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[09:17:49] *** sophokles has quit IRC[09:18:18] <codestr0m> coffee anyone?[09:19:53] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[09:20:08] *** joanie has quit IRC[09:20:23] *** otep has quit IRC[09:22:10] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[09:23:54] *** otep has joined #opensolaris[09:26:23] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[09:39:06] *** hotaru2k3 has joined #OpenSolaris[09:43:06] *** lblume has quit IRC[09:44:38] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[09:45:00] *** dunc has quit IRC[09:47:26] *** cypromis has quit IRC[09:57:32] *** c00p has quit IRC[09:58:02] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris[09:58:14] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:59:59] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:00:43] <seanmcg> codestr0m, please ![10:01:07] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:01:25] <codestr0m> seanmcg: http://want.0xc0ffee.com/ ;) possibly refreshing[10:01:58] <oenone> anybody an idea why i get this bad trap divide error?[10:03:23] *** lesterc has quit IRC[10:04:35] *** Cass1 has joined #opensolaris[10:05:06] *** kate21de has quit IRC[10:06:36] <seanmcg> codestr0m, rather nice that ![10:07:57] *** kohju has quit IRC[10:08:02] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris[10:08:03] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[10:09:24] <oenone> how can i disable acpi?[10:11:39] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:12:46] *** Cass has quit IRC[10:16:29] *** thunderbyte has joined #opensolaris[10:16:57] <oenone> yay, it worked :D[10:17:45] <seanmcg> oenone, google.. eeprom acpi-user-options=0x2[10:17:58] <oenone> no, in grub..[10:18:05] <oenone> i found it, btw, but thanks[10:18:59] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[10:19:45] * oenone advances to next level of install..[10:20:17] *** legolasw has joined #opensolaris[10:22:39] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[10:24:11] *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC[10:28:21] *** lesterc has quit IRC[10:34:01] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:34:05] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:34:50] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[10:35:35] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[10:36:26] *** legolasw has quit IRC[10:36:38] *** lesterc has quit IRC[10:36:52] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[10:37:15] *** Cass1 has quit IRC[10:37:30] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris[10:38:20] *** legolasw has joined #opensolaris[10:41:31] <oenone> hmp.. "No disks found!"[10:44:58] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[10:45:03] <gerryxiao> hello[10:45:17] <gerryxiao> any new stuff in 109?[10:58:00] <monsted> nope[10:58:05] <monsted> it's exactly the same as 108[10:58:40] <gerryxiao> monsted: are you kiding?[10:58:45] <CIA-40> Alexandr Nedvedicky <Alexandr.Nedvedicky at Sun dot COM>: 6681520 panic in frpr_icmp() when trying to access dblk previously freed in fr_coalesce()[10:59:53] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[11:00:19] <gerryxiao> i have to downloaded 647 pkgs and >200M to update to 109[11:01:18] <monsted> oh, so maybe they changed a few things[11:01:25] <monsted> (yes, i'm kidding)[11:02:24] <gerryxiao> i want to know how much new stuff in 109, but don't know where[11:02:55] <|woody|> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b109/on-changelog-b109.html[11:03:22] <gerryxiao> |woody|: that's it ,thx[11:03:47] *** mitrox has quit IRC[11:04:48] <_setuid_H> does anybody know in what update will be crossbow implemented on solaris 10? I know there should be VNIC support already implemented but I'm speaking about etherstubs .... and other things[11:06:04] <|woody|> I don't think they will backport it. But could be wrong[11:06:26] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[11:06:27] <_setuid_H> |woody|: so bfu is the only way?[11:07:05] *** vishalsaraswat24 has joined #opensolaris[11:07:17] <_setuid_H> |woody|: I bfued my osol2008.11 (stable) to patched b103 :-) I don't want to use dev branch on my sfx2100[11:07:29] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[11:07:33] <Chipdancer> _setuid_H: why did you go that way?[11:08:06] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[11:08:10] <oenone> is Smart Array 5i supported?[11:08:13] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: :-) because I didn't want to use dev authority, and planning to upgrade after some time to 2009.06[11:08:38] *** neeraj has joined #opensolaris[11:08:47] <Chipdancer> _setuid_H: well, sometime after that there won't be an option because SXCE will be dead and there will only be IPS :)[11:09:15] <oenone> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/340.html says it is, but it doesn't find disks..[11:09:27] *** vishalsaraswat24 has quit IRC[11:09:35] <Chipdancer> oenone: latest patch levels? driver versions?[11:09:37] *** krisis has left #opensolaris[11:09:44] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: I use osol and bfued, this has nothing to do with sxce[11:09:47] <oenone> Chipdancer: i'm using SXCE 109[11:10:05] <|woody|> _setuid_H well now you talk about opensolaris. Crossbow is in 105+[11:10:14] *** dunc has quit IRC[11:10:16] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: there will be archives and sources even after sxce will reach eol[11:10:28] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[11:11:55] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: or you thing that devel-archives will be distribued via ips?[11:12:08] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: that's bullshit[11:12:11] <Chipdancer> _setuid_H: I think there will be, for sure[11:12:20] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: ok[11:12:32] <Chipdancer> _setuid_H: just the way that there are with other distros who have real package management[11:12:43] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: I didn't mention any offence by that[11:12:44] <_setuid_H> Chipdancer: ok[11:13:34] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris[11:14:27] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris[11:15:15] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[11:18:22] *** codestr0m is now known as codestr0m|afk[11:18:27] *** mitrox has quit IRC[11:20:52] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris[11:26:43] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[11:40:32] <jmcp> _setuid_H: you said that you didn't want to use the dev branch on your OS2008.11, so you bfu'd instead - what makes you think that is a good idea?[11:40:34] * jmcp confused[11:40:36] <jmcp> evenin' all[11:44:57] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[11:53:08] <sickness> hi jmcp :)[11:55:35] <trygvis> hm, is there something like cat available on windows?[11:55:36] <jmcp> hiya[11:55:44] <jmcp> trygvis: lolcats?[11:55:53] <trygvis> I need to build the single iso image from the two .zip files[11:56:09] <jmcp> iirc, the copy command will do that for you[11:56:16] <jmcp> copy file1 file2 > file3[11:56:16] <trygvis> and I'd rather not install cygwin just to build the dvd[11:56:17] <jmcp> I think[11:56:18] <trygvis> hm[11:56:31] <jmcp> copy /help will help you get the syntax[11:56:41] <trygvis> I though the download site had some instructions, but I'll try copy. thanks![11:59:08] <sickness> trygvis: type =)[11:59:16] <trygvis> ?[11:59:33] <sickness> try with a txt[11:59:38] <jmcp> oh, good point![11:59:42] <sickness> C:\> TYPE NAME.TXT[11:59:42] <trygvis> ?[11:59:43] <sickness> :P[11:59:48] <jmcp> trygvis: type file1 file2 > file3[12:00:03] <trygvis> aha[12:00:23] <sickness> jmcp: anyway, copy is better, I'm afrayd type could not redirect well and fill your terminal with hours of endless garbage :)[12:01:37] <monsted> copy /b file1 file2 file3[12:02:01] <monsted> or do you put a + in there? try it out :)[12:06:27] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[12:09:26] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[12:09:50] *** servo- has quit IRC[12:10:22] *** markp_ has joined #opensolaris[12:14:31] *** mib_j0p1jkax has joined #opensolaris[12:18:00] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[12:18:18] <trygvis> all right, next question. how do I burn a dvd in vista?[12:18:35] <trygvis> monsted: yah, needed a + before the source files[12:18:46] <trygvis> copy sol-nv-b109-x86-dvd-iso-a /B + sol-nv-b109-x86-dvd-iso-b /B dvd.iso /B[12:18:58] <trygvis> /B means binary[12:19:14] *** calumb has joined 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pkgadd as described in the readme thats included within the downloaded tarbakk[12:31:59] <seanmcg> tarball even[12:31:59] <jmcp> plavcik: abbreviation for "If I recall correctly"[12:32:19] <trochej> I saw all of zfs datasets in zfs list, but could't interact with them, they were noexistent[12:32:23] <trochej> svcadm enable nwam repaired everything[12:32:26] <trochej> WTF?[12:33:13] <plavcik_> jmcp, seanmcg: thank you[12:40:38] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[12:41:50] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[12:44:56] *** qiyong has quit IRC[12:45:47] *** m0zzzy has joined #opensolaris[12:46:01] *** m0zzzy has left #opensolaris[12:46:27] <gerard13> hello all, http://pastebin.fr/3744 why this snapshot isn't visible by list command?[12:46:58] <monsted> zfs list -t snapshot?[12:48:54] <gerard13> cannot open 'rpool/export/catalogue2': operation not applicable to datasets of this type[12:48:56] <gerard13> ???[12:49:29] <monsted> catalogue2 is the file system, the snapshot will be named @something,[12:49:40] *** PMT has joined #opensolaris[12:49:40] <gerard13> ok i understand, sorry[12:49:53] <PMT> Hey world, I've got an NFSd on a dual-core opteron taking up 88% of my CPU time.[12:50:10] <PMT> Any good way to figure out precisely why it's doing this?[12:50:35] <Stric> DTraceToolkit has some stuff[12:50:40] <Stric> also, 'snoop rpc nfs'[12:51:45] <PMT> A) my terminal is now flooding in hilarious fashion[12:52:11] <PMT> B) I'm seeing lots of NFS4ERR_STALE_CLIENTID to one client[12:53:09] *** ravv has quit IRC[12:54:34] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[12:54:49] * PMT scratches his head[12:56:29] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris[12:58:22] <PMT> Stric: it looks like DTracetoolkit only has NFS client stuff.[12:58:32] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[13:02:50] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[13:13:03] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[13:14:57] *** kimo^^ has joined #opensolaris[13:15:37] *** BlueAidan_work has joined #opensolaris[13:17:44] *** legolasw has quit 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cypromis, yeah vi Makefile[14:21:27] <cypromis> must be fun if you are doing 12 platforms and automatic builds[14:21:39] <cypromis> and have around 60 makefiles[14:21:41] <cypromis> YAY[14:21:45] <cypromis> 0 points[14:21:47] <DimStar> very funny... I like vi Makefile for small projects which I only care for on my platform..[14:21:48] <cypromis> but thanks for playing[14:22:05] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[14:22:12] *** la_mer has quit IRC[14:22:19] *** phimic has quit IRC[14:22:52] <g4lt-lappy> cypromis, ahh, then sed -e ;P[14:23:03] <cypromis> *sigh*[14:23:15] *** thunderbyte has quit IRC[14:23:23] <DimStar> cypromis, not everybody get's the point I think.. we have to struggle with it[14:23:56] <g4lt-lappy> cypromis, BTW automake doesn't support 15 platforms[14:24:08] <cypromis> I think you have no idea what you are talking about[14:24:16] * cypromis goes back to work[14:24:47] <g4lt-lappy> it barely supports linux/gcc and solaris/gcc. you're totally screwed if you want to use any other compiler and/or linker[14:25:04] <trochej> g4lt-lappy: Seems it supports all that is has to[14:25:11] <trochej> How it goes? Scratch your itch?[14:25:13] <flyingparchment> automake doesn't know/care about compilers or platforms[14:25:14] *** clebig has quit IRC[14:25:26] <g4lt-lappy> and yes, I HAVE tried to make an autoconfiscated program ion hp-sux[14:25:33] <flyingparchment> it uses autoconf or libtool for that[14:25:50] *** stux|away|away has joined #opensolaris[14:26:44] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[14:27:56] <g4lt-lappy> flyingparchment, well, it assumes a lot of gnucrap that just aren't there on mose realworld platforms[14:28:11] <trochej> moose?[14:28:16][14:28:37] <flyingparchment> hmm.. i've found automake and autoconf are generally okay as far as that goes.. the problem is people using them who do it wrongly (and add dependencies on gnu stuff)[14:28:46] <flyingparchment> autoconf even works with /bin/sh, and automake is fine with solaris make[14:28:53] <flyingparchment> (but libtool is another matter, that's a whole pile of evil)[14:30:46] *** fftb has quit IRC[14:31:07] *** stux|RC-only has joined #opensolaris[14:31:30] <g4lt-lappy> my favorite is the idiots taht make autoconf look for libintl, which is problematic on non-gun systems[14:31:34] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[14:31:56] <flyingparchment> i usually build everything with --disable-nls[14:32:02] <flyingparchment> that avoids all the gettext crap in most stuff[14:34:12] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[14:34:31] *** wdp has quit IRC[14:36:41] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[14:38:41] *** pjlv has quit IRC[14:39:02] *** npmccallum has joined #opensolaris[14:41:50] *** c00p has quit IRC[14:42:45] *** stux|RC has quit IRC[14:46:05] *** cypromis has quit IRC[14:46:08] *** stux|away|away has quit IRC[14:46:40] *** e-jat has quit IRC[14:47:05] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[14:49:05] *** arcame has joined #opensolaris[14:51:14] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[14:56:33] *** codestr0m|afk is now known as codestr0m[14:56:58] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[14:58:03] *** Traveler5 has joined #opensolaris[14:58:21] <Traveler5> I am trying to compile an xml library on solaris's latest version and I am having undefined first referenced symbol: _wcsdup file: lex.yy.o , what may I do for it, thank you.(may I find a lex.yy.o which is compiled for solaris? maybe?)[14:58:45] *** luc^ has quit IRC[14:59:26] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[15:02:06] *** throatwarbler has joined #opensolaris[15:05:08] *** mRCUTEO has joined #opensolaris[15:05:15] <mRCUTEO> hi[15:05:23] *** throatwarbler has left #opensolaris[15:05:41] <mRCUTEO> anyone knows whats the command in open solaris to check cpuinfo and alternative for locate/whereis command?[15:06:29] <trochej> mRCUTEO: psrinfo -v for cpuinfo[15:06:38] <mRCUTEO> thanks[15:06:51] <trochej> whence/which[15:07:00] *** Troll_Man has quit IRC[15:07:01] <mRCUTEO> thanks again[15:07:17] <g4lt-lappy> whereis works fine, as it's a csh builtin[15:07:49] <cmihai> whence -p works fine, as it's a ksh builtin :P[15:07:51] <trochej> g4lt-lappy: No wonder it doesn't fork for me. I use ksh[15:07:55] <trochej> Yup :)[15:08:41] <mRCUTEO> trochej: do you know any other editor than vi for opensolaris?[15:08:47] <cmihai> mRCUTEO: ed(1)[15:08:53] <mRCUTEO> aha thanks[15:09:01] <trochej> mRCUTEO: emacs? vim? gvim? gedit[15:09:07] <trochej> mRCUTEO: Uhm[15:09:08] <g4lt-lappy> cmihai, ...which would have been an adequate answer if he had ASKED ABOUT WHENCE[15:09:11] <trochej> mRCUTEO: You may skip ed[15:09:13] <asyd> cat | sed | grep :)[15:09:15] * asyd hides[15:09:55] <mRCUTEO> okie[15:09:56] <mRCUTEO> :)[15:10:02] <cmihai> g4lt-lappy: I couldn't really descipher what he asked :-)[15:10:03] <trochej> nano[15:10:09] <trochej> But you have to install it[15:10:12] <mRCUTEO> nano not working..[15:10:14] <cmihai> It's one of those multi part trick questions with multiple answers.[15:10:16] <trochej> But you have to install it[15:10:25] <seanmcg> notepad[15:10:28] <seanmcg> (via wine)[15:10:46] <seanmcg> lots of options :)[15:10:47] <cmihai> Eclipse[15:10:52] <cmihai> Best. Text. Editor. Ever.[15:11:04] <g4lt-lappy> pico, install alpine[15:11:24] <g4lt-lappy> nano is a weenie's version of pico[15:11:31] <trochej> echo[15:11:32] <mRCUTEO> :D[15:11:43] *** gaveen has quit IRC[15:12:57] <mRCUTEO> trochej: i experience weird with my editor. I do vi myfile , next press the insert button nuthing happened.. usually in other linux i can see the --INSERT-- word appear.. is this something wrong..[15:13:12] <cmihai> That's vim (in Linux)[15:13:18] <cmihai> What you have there is good old fashion vi.[15:13:34] <mRCUTEO> oh my[15:13:46] <flyingparchment> solaris ships with vim too now, doesn't it?[15:13:46] <cmihai> If you can't use ed, vi or ex you can install (or see if you have installed) some other wimpy text editor like GNOME gedit :P[15:14:17] <g4lt-lappy> flyingparchment, I'd HOPE not, as vi was pretty much written for SunOS[15:14:26] <flyingparchment> g4lt-lappy: i didn't say they removed vi[15:14:32] <cmihai> Nooo[15:14:39] <cmihai> If he'd be dead, Bill Joy would roll in his grave[15:15:00] <seanmcg> which would be rather hard since he isn't in a grave.. (yet)[15:15:03] <seanmcg> :)[15:15:14] <monsted> that can be arranged![15:15:21] <cmihai> Tell him the news[15:15:25] <cmihai> It will kill him :-)[15:15:51] <g4lt-lappy> well, apparently he uses emacs now, so he's not a very good witness :/[15:16:34] <cmihai> I heard he used ed(1) on most systems[15:16:48] <cmihai> Due to silly versions of vi popping all over the place :-)[15:17:55] <mRCUTEO> what is the command for openslaris auto installer?[15:18:01] <mRCUTEO> apt-get not working for me :([15:18:46] <cmihai> pkg[15:18:49] *** e-jat has quit IRC[15:18:49] <g4lt-lappy> OPENSOLARIS IS NOT A DEBIAN[15:19:05] <mRCUTEO> oh..[15:19:14] <mRCUTEO> no other way than pkg ?[15:19:26] <g4lt-lappy> SUNWspro[15:19:45] <mRCUTEO> on[15:19:52] <mRCUTEO> oh..[15:20:49] <cmihai> What the bleep is wrong with pkg[15:20:58] <cmihai> (OK, OK, it sucks)[15:21:02] <cmihai> but that's beyond the point[15:21:05] <cmihai> Have you actually tried it[15:21:26] <mRCUTEO> you have to download the package and instal the package not sumthin like yum/apt-get :([15:21:28] <cmihai> Instead of typing apt-get install p0rn you type pkg install p0rn[15:21:36] <mRCUTEO> oh?[15:21:37] * cmihai smacks mRCUTEO on the head[15:21:41] <cmihai> pkg is the command.[15:22:07] <mRCUTEO> i though pkg is for : pkg install myfile.pkg.zip ..?[15:22:08] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[15:22:15] <g4lt-lappy> I still think SUNWspro is the proper package manager[15:22:56] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[15:23:19] <cmihai> I'm more of a vacpp sort of guy :P[15:24:06] <trochej> I think SUNWspro is a proper soccer manager[15:24:29] <mRCUTEO> can i use dpkg to install .pkg.zip software?[15:24:36] <trochej> no[15:24:43] <trochej> unzip the *.pkg.zip[15:24:44] <trochej> then[15:24:50] <mRCUTEO> pkg ?[15:24:55] <mRCUTEO> or dpkg ?[15:25:02] <trochej> pkgadd -d /directory/to/your/*.pkg all[15:25:04] <cmihai> mRCUTEO: get this in your head right now. Debian commands work on Debian.[15:25:06] <trochej> or not all[15:25:13] <mRCUTEO> ic[15:25:15] <trochej> mRCUTEO: www.nexenta.org[15:25:22] <cmihai> It doesn't mean they don't have equivalents or BETTER on other systems.[15:25:24] <trochej> There you'll have .debs[15:25:27] <cmihai> It's just what Debian calls their tools.[15:25:38] <g4lt-lappy> OPENSOLARIS IS NOT DEBIAN, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU?[15:25:45] <mRCUTEO> anyone here has good website on commandline for open solaris :( im stewpid for opensolaris command line[15:26:01] <cmihai> Because the bloke's gf was called Deborah and the blokes name is Ian. Get it? DebIan. Hence DebIna Package Manager. DPKG. And so on.[15:26:30] <trochej> mRCUTEO: docs.sun.com for starters. :)[15:26:36] <mRCUTEO> thanks trochej[15:26:40] <trochej> Np.[15:26:48] * trochej thinks it will take few year. :)[15:27:07] <g4lt-lappy> there's a special place in most solaris user's hearts for ian, the stake through it[15:27:14] <seanmcg> mRCUTEO, see this channel's topic, the rosetta link.[15:27:32] <mRCUTEO> okie[15:27:41] *** legolasw has joined #opensolaris[15:27:51] <mRCUTEO> yeah resetta link is very nice :)[15:29:05] <trochej> g4lt-lappy: I'd say, there is a special place in Ian's heart for every opensolaris user. :)[15:30:07] <g4lt-lappy> he has one?[15:31:42] <trochej> I'd be greatly dissapointed if he didn't[15:31:51] <trochej> Where would I stake him?[15:34:23] <cmihai> Uh uh[15:34:23] <cmihai> I know[15:34:38] <cmihai> Sun should hire Patrick Volkerding[15:34:45] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I need to make a new rosetta stone. .I've seen that one and it's half wrong[15:35:27] <mRCUTEO> trochej whats the opposite for pkgadd ? is there a way to delete a package through this?[15:35:31] <seanmcg> codestr0m, along with all your other stuff ? Wheres your timemachine ?-)[15:35:46] <trochej> pkgrm[15:35:50] <cmihai> mRCUTEO: pkgrm, knock yourself out[15:35:51] <seanmcg> mRCUTEO, man pkgadd, you may find pkgrm[15:35:59] <mRCUTEO> okie thanks[15:35:59] <trochej> mRCUTEO: OpenSolaris has two packaging systems now[15:36:01] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I'm in doc writing mode :P releases and code or only when I need to relieve the headache[15:36:19] <codestr0m> </sarcasm>[15:36:38] <trochej> Old one with *.pkg files, you get pkginfo, pkgadd, pkgrm, pkgask, pkgchk and the rest to use[15:36:57] <trochej> mRCUTEO: And IPS which has online repo and is preffered with OpenSolaris distribution[15:37:17] <trochej> mRCUTEO: IPS has pkg command[15:37:40] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:38:12] *** la_mer_ has quit IRC[15:39:58] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[15:43:04] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[15:43:18] *** mRCUTEO has quit IRC[15:50:50] *** calumb has quit IRC[15:50:55] *** ericjray has quit IRC[15:51:04] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:52:55] *** Troll_Man has joined #opensolaris[15:53:42] <asyd> anyone runs nagios on solaris? 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I guess you're too busy[15:54:41] <asyd> hmm deadline of?[15:55:10] <Traveler5> I am trying to compile an xml library on solaris's latest version and I am having undefined first referenced symbol: _wcsdup file: lex.yy.o even though it compiles lex.yy.c successfully, what may I do for it, thank you.[16:01:47] *** bam123 has joined #opensolaris[16:02:52] *** bam123 has quit IRC[16:03:02] *** bam123 has joined #opensolaris[16:05:50] <oenone> okay, have to figure out how to install opensolaris on hp smart array 5i..[16:07:12] <flyingparchment> if that's the same as the old compaq cpqary, there's a driver on their website[16:07:29] <sickness> ami megaraid?[16:07:50] <flyingparchment> cpqary isn't... but i don't know if that's what he has[16:08:30] <oenone> yeah, cpqary[16:08:55] <flyingparchment> then you need to get the cpqary driver and add it to the miniroot[16:08:57] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[16:09:02] <oenone> hm.. okay[16:10:05] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[16:13:32] *** ken-work has quit IRC[16:13:33] <_setuid_H> bye guys, I'm almost finished with my work and going to home[16:14:00] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris[16:14:38] <oenone> retrospectively seen, netinstalling sxce is not much harder than to netinstall openbsd.. (straight forward and easy)[16:19:51] *** legolasw2 has joined #opensolaris[16:19:55] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[16:20:23] *** Erwann has quit IRC[16:20:49] *** legolasw has quit IRC[16:20:49] <sickness> oenone: netinstalling... but what about preparing the server? *ouch* :/[16:22:00] <oenone> sickness: you mean bootserver? it was very easy to setup[16:22:11] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[16:22:16] <sickness> not.[16:22:29] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[16:22:31] <sickness> obsd is like 30 seconds, sxce is a pita :/[16:22:39] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[16:22:45] <oenone> yeah, it copied a lot of stuff from the dvd..[16:22:53] <sickness> heh[16:22:57] <oenone> but i think you could just nfs export the dvd instead[16:23:24] <sickness> yeah, but then you have to properly configure the dhcp server and tftpd server[16:23:41] <oenone> obsd doesn't need a whole dvd, not even a whole cd..[16:23:46] *** plavcik_ has quit IRC[16:23:48] <sickness> the string NEVER works, you have to twiddle with it some times even if you have copied it from official sun docs :/[16:23:52] <sickness> that sux[16:24:18] <sickness> that's not the point, at least openbsd has 1 way to do it that's simple and clean, and if you copy paste from the FAQ it just works[16:24:20] *** Marv|LG has joined #opensolaris[16:24:29] <sickness> I'd like opensolaris to have a FAQ like that :'''[16:24:33] <oenone> tftpd already was setup, dhcpd was easy with the dhcp manager[16:24:46] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[16:24:58] <sickness> instead of having to resort to google to find info, because not even searching on opensolaris.org will suffice, at times, you have to resort to personal blogs :/[16:25:03] <legolasw2> Hi[16:25:07] <seanmcg> oenone, you haven't tried opensolaris net installer ?[16:25:08] <oenone> i'll write about my experiences in the AuroraUX wiki[16:25:18] <oenone> seanmcg: pardon?[16:25:22] <sickness> seanmcg: not yet, but I've downloaded the iso :)[16:25:36] <sickness> oh[16:25:40] <legolasw2> When we create sparse zone, if we use "add inherit-pkg-dir" does it automatically add directories to be available in the zone?[16:25:52] <sickness> oenone: url pleaze, I'm looking forward to read it :)[16:26:26] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[16:26:41] <oenone> sickness: i'll tell you after i completed it.. don't have access to my solaris boxes till sunday[16:26:50] <sickness> k[16:27:05] <trochej> legolasw2: You may need to reboot.[16:27:08] <trochej> the zone[16:27:11] <oenone> sickness: you can find AuroraUX here: http://auroraux.blastwave.org/[16:28:12] <legolasw2> I create a sparse zone but I am unable to execute java -version command[16:28:42] <sickness> oenone: tnx![16:30:02] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[16:30:05] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[16:30:10] <legolasw2> is it possible to use "add inherit-pkg-dir" after a zone is created and we boot it once?[16:30:47] <trichobezoar> i think you'd waste space by doing that because it already has been copied[16:31:03] *** cypromis has quit IRC[16:32:16] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris[16:34:08] <legolasw2> trichobezoar, I am trying to use java command in my sparse zone but it looks like that the command is not available inside the zone[16:34:30] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[16:35:31] <legolasw2> trichobezoar, I used "add inherit-pkg-dir" during the zone creating time and I suppose it should have made them available to zone[16:43:28] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[16:43:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[16:47:43] *** legolasw2 has quit IRC[16:47:51] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[16:49:29] *** wewek has quit IRC[16:50:07] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[16:50:41] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[16:51:06] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[16:51:32] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[16:52:05] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[16:52:22] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[16:52:29] <gretel> hi all[16:53:00] <gretel> i'm new to opensolaris and enjoy it very much so far[16:53:19] *** duxklr has joined #opensolaris[16:53:55] <gretel> now i've run into a problem booting a VIA Nano U2700 CPU in 64bit mode, it crashes on boot with some hard to understand messages (verbose boot using -v)[16:53:55] *** wewek has quit IRC[16:54:00] *** fftb___ has quit IRC[16:54:14] <gretel> boots and installs completely fine in 32bit mode (removing $ISADIR from the grub commandline)[16:54:21] *** npmccallum has quit IRC[16:55:26] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[16:55:34] <gretel> can you give me a hint on how to diagnose the boot process to get more detailed information on what might be wrong?[16:56:15] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with[16:56:35] *** neeraj has quit IRC[16:56:43] <gretel> CosmicDJ: thanks[16:57:11] <CosmicDJ> try to collect some more info your panic and then ask here again and/or in one of the opensolaris forums (or submit a bugreport)[16:57:30] <gretel> the CPU is brand new some i am expecting glitches[16:57:45] <gretel> s/some/so/[16:58:24] <gretel> i do prefer 64bit, but what are the actual downside running in 32bit?[16:58:45] <CosmicDJ> you're limited to 4gb ram[16:59:05] <gretel> of course, which wont be a problem because the MiniITX boards limits me to 2GB maximum[16:59:08] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[16:59:11] <flyingparchment> why prefer 64-bit? 32-bit is faster for nearly all workloads[16:59:30] <gretel> ok, are there any benchmarks proving this?[16:59:32] <flyingparchment> (crypto and other numerically intenseive stuff excepted)[16:59:36] <oenone> zfs is 128-bit..[16:59:44] <CosmicDJ> x86 is slower because this arch is register limited, i.e. you have more registers in amd64[16:59:46] <trichobezoar> pretty much the only reason 64bit is faster is because x86 32bit sucks. there are more registers in x86 64 for compiler optimization.[16:59:53] <CosmicDJ> trichobezoar: ;)[17:00:01] <flyingparchment> CosmicDJ: that's offset by 64-bit needing more memory because of larger data[17:00:04] <gretel> i'm going to use ZFS with raidz2[17:00:16] <oenone> ultrasparc is 64-bit for a while now..[17:00:18] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[17:00:24] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[17:00:32] <CosmicDJ> oenone: sparc is 64bit only, to be exact :)[17:00:40] <gretel> so you somehow tend to recommend to use the 32bit builds on x86?[17:00:48] <oenone> weren't there 32bit ones?[17:00:50] <ipfw> flyingparchment: quit trying to make since of things. We want 64bit because it is what all the cool kids are doing ![17:00:53] <trichobezoar> oenone: sparcs regularly come out with 256gb ram[17:00:56] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[17:01:06] <oenone> sparcstation?[17:01:08] <trichobezoar> it still has the same penalties versus being 32bit[17:01:21] <CosmicDJ> sxce/solaris10/opensolaris won't run on a sparcstation..[17:01:24] *** Fullmoon_ has joined #opensolaris[17:01:25] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[17:01:40] <oenone> it won't? :([17:01:40] <ipfw> flyingparchment: Any reason to believe Oracle db would suffer on an x86 box compared to SPARC ?[17:01:51] <flyingparchment> no idea, i don't use oracle[17:01:51] <oenone> then i'll have to run openbsd on them[17:02:04] <trichobezoar> ugh. use netbsd if you dont like freebsd[17:02:09] <CosmicDJ> or some old solaris release[17:02:37] <oenone> btw, is it possible to run multiple boxes with sxce/solaris10/opensolaris as some cluster setup?[17:02:50] *** Fullmoon_ has quit IRC[17:03:06] <ipfw> flyingparchment: Had a guy try to pass that one off at work the other day, I find it hard to believe though.. I know some SPARC chips do better under high loads, but over all I don't see the x86 doing terrible[17:03:10] * oenone has about 8 ultras to play with[17:03:39] <g4lt-lappy> ipfw because databases are all about processing IO and X86 IO sucks?[17:03:40] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[17:04:11] <gretel> are there any CF-IDE-adapters that actually work?[17:04:23] <gretel> disabled due to DMA errors....[17:04:27] <ipfw> g4lt-lappy: I get 100+MB/s reads and at least half that for writes... Isn't to bad imho[17:04:27] * trichobezoar shrugs... i got a CF<->SATA that works just fine[17:04:44] <trichobezoar> talking about system i/o, ie to memory and pci[17:05:39] <g4lt-lappy> ipfw, taht is. you can get that with an ultra 1. welcome to 1990[17:05:46] <gretel> trichobezoar: can you please tell me which model you got exactly?[17:06:42] <gretel> seems to work when UDMA is disabled in BIOS, but then there is no point in using a sandisk CF with up to 40mb/s[17:06:42] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[17:06:49] <g4lt-lappy> the only reason hyou couldn't geet that with a U5 is that the IDE controller sucked eggs[17:07:00] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[17:07:10] <ipfw> g4lt-lappy: guess you have a point, for one most[17:07:14] <gretel> doh doesnt work at all[17:07:23] <ipfw> g4lt-lappy: guess you have a point, for one most Sun SPARC's are using scsi... That itself helps[17:07:40] <CosmicDJ> or fc...[17:07:43] <trichobezoar> gretel: hmm well im just using a 4gb microdrive so i've never gotten near those speeds[17:08:14] <trichobezoar> The one I got looks just like http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/adsahdcf.asp but I'll have to get back to you for the exact model[17:09:39] *** e1kg has quit IRC[17:10:01] <gretel> thanks, looks similar to http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195764[17:10:28] <gretel> i'd love to get the model with two slots so i could mirror the system drive[17:11:26] <trichobezoar> Looks neat. There isnt really much of a battery benefit (according to my guesstimates from linux's powertop) but it makes me feel more comfortable about jostling it aroudn... I use it frequently where the surface is not stable[17:11:37] <trichobezoar> I've seen all that before when searching for the one that I got[17:11:50] *** ken has quit IRC[17:12:15] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[17:12:20] <gretel> i'm over budget already, doh. need to spend another 100 euro for the SATA adapter and an additonal 4GB CF[17:12:33] *** inaddy has quit IRC[17:12:44] <trichobezoar> whoa $100?[17:13:04] <gretel> 65 euro for the 2x adapter, 30 for the CF[17:13:10] <trichobezoar> AH you're getting a 2x[17:13:15] <gretel> which brings another question to my mind:[17:13:24] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[17:13:32] <CosmicDJ> 100 EUR = 130 US$ approx...[17:13:36] <gretel> is it possible to boot off a raidz2 zfs pool?[17:13:53] <CosmicDJ> nope, just 1 disk or mirror[17:13:54] <trichobezoar> no, only mirror[17:14:00] <gretel> i could life with that, otherwise i'm going to keep the tank system-free[17:14:05] <gretel> doh[17:14:21] <trichobezoar> you can install the base system on a 8gb partition and set the rest for your raid[17:15:01] <gretel> but this will render the system down when the disk including the system partition fails[17:15:30] <CosmicDJ> that's why we would recommend a mirror...[17:15:30] <trichobezoar> you mean if it boots from disk0 and disk0 fails, it wont boot from disk1?[17:15:51] <gretel> mirroring the system drive is not an options, as long as i get additional hardare[17:15:55] <gretel> hardware, even[17:16:01] <trichobezoar> why not?[17:16:10] <trichobezoar> it seems like not mirroring is less of an option[17:16:23] <gretel> let my briefly explain my setup[17:16:28] <gretel> 3x 1TB SATA drives[17:16:32] <gretel> 1x 4GB CF[17:16:54] <gretel> the SATA drives shall be free of any system partition[17:17:13] <gretel> just one tank[17:17:14] <trichobezoar> so you're going to get a hardware mirror setup. sounds reasonable[17:17:14] <CosmicDJ> well buy another cf later when you have budget again[17:17:17] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[17:17:26] <trichobezoar> (for the cf/system)[17:17:38] <gretel> but my current adapter does not work due to DMA errors[17:17:40] <gretel> :)[17:17:49] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[17:18:08] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[17:20:38] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:20:55] *** bubbva has quit IRC[17:21:51] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[17:22:05] *** inaddy has quit IRC[17:22:16] *** Traveler5 has quit IRC[17:22:24] *** jacobs has left #opensolaris[17:23:27] <gretel> i could use USB memory sticks[17:23:43] <gretel> or a 2.5 HDD[17:23:52] *** sophokles has quit IRC[17:23:56] <gretel> will i get the system partition from one drive to another easily?[17:24:38] *** jacobs has joined #opensolaris[17:25:10] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[17:25:21] *** mgeorge has joined #opensolaris[17:27:27] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[17:28:33] *** div111 has quit IRC[17:28:58] *** wewek has quit IRC[17:29:06] *** JT__ has quit IRC[17:30:25] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:30:54] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris[17:31:01] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[17:35:18] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[17:35:22] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[17:38:55] *** JT__ has joined #opensolaris[17:40:36] *** mlischke has joined #opensolaris[17:41:06] *** jfisc has quit IRC[17:41:53] <mlischke> hi there, is there anyone who could help me with a (hopefully) small grub boot problem with my osol box?[17:42:43] <mlischke> I can only boot into osol if I first boot from CD and then from HD[17:42:50] <mlischke> cannot access the boot menu directly on HD[17:42:52] <gretel> l8a guys[17:42:57] *** gretel has quit IRC[17:43:16] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[17:44:02] *** sahX has quit IRC[17:47:11] *** irfagu has joined #opensolaris[17:47:50] *** jteo has quit IRC[17:55:57] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[17:56:13] *** bam123 has left #opensolaris[17:57:17] *** cwebber has quit IRC[17:57:18] *** inaddy has quit IRC[17:57:18] *** mlischke has left #opensolaris[17:58:56] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[17:59:31] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[17:59:40] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[18:00:18] *** arcame has quit IRC[18:01:28] *** inaddy has quit IRC[18:02:30] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[18:02:34] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[18:02:52] *** moazamraja has joined #opensolaris[18:03:04] <moazamraja> anyone using EC2 + OpenSolaris here?[18:03:12] <moazamraja> I cant find the AMI for SXCE[18:03:21] <moazamraja> just opensolaris 2008.05 and 2008.11[18:04:10] *** Fullmoon_ has joined #opensolaris[18:05:14] *** mgeorge has left #opensolaris[18:05:14] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[18:05:29] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[18:05:29] *** GNUWorld has joined #opensolaris[18:05:54] *** Fullmoon_ has quit IRC[18:06:55] <GNUWorld> I have two aggregates on OpenSolaris 2008.11, each interface to reach a specified gateway. I am able to hit on gateway, the other I am not. I have both gateways listed in "/etc/defaultrouter".[18:07:28] <GNUWorld> Can anybody help me with that?[18:07:40] *** chowmeined has quit IRC[18:16:52] *** PicCard_ has joined #opensolaris[18:18:20] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[18:20:28] <trichobezoar> This is strange. I cannot kill nautilus. Is there a way to find out what it's waiting for?[18:21:35] *** jfisc1 has quit IRC[18:22:29] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[18:22:44] <codestr0m> trichobezoar: even -9 ?[18:23:43] <trichobezoar> Of course. I think it happened somehow related to someone turning off the monitor my usb device is plugged and mounetd from[18:24:07] <trichobezoar> I killed all the *hal* procs...[18:24:33] <trichobezoar> It was zfs... and I cant zfs list or ls the mountpoint. Even though the device is in[18:24:54] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[18:25:45] *** myrkraverk` has quit IRC[18:25:59] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC[18:27:18] *** Dar has quit IRC[18:28:32] <tsoome> trichobezoar: man pstack, truss[18:29:30] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[18:29:50] *** evocallaghan1 has joined #opensolaris[18:33:29] *** PicCard has quit IRC[18:33:49] <tsoome> but the thing is, you should really think when you make an file system on things like memory sticks when this fs relies on advanced caching etc....[18:34:36] *** myrkraverk` has joined #opensolaris[18:34:36] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[18:34:50] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[18:35:38] <trichobezoar> Just sucks to have to reboot a system because this device went offline[18:35:42] *** kimo^^ is now known as kim0[18:36:47] <tsoome> zpool export -f or something?[18:37:35] <trichobezoar> hardly... it wont even zfs list[18:37:47] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[18:37:57] *** jfisc has quit IRC[18:38:47] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[18:38:52] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[18:39:24] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[18:39:38] *** sickness_ has joined #opensolaris[18:40:13] <wbkang> Does anyone know why opensolaris refuse to boot up with a low cpu speed speed? I'm using Virtualbox on a laptop.[18:40:19] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris[18:40:27] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[18:41:13] *** e1mer has quit IRC[18:41:26] <oenone> wbkang: define "low cpu speed"[18:41:54] <wbkang> So, at 800Mhz it just hangs in the boot screen forever (like 30+ min)[18:42:05] <wbkang> but above 1.6Ghz it boots up fine[18:42:27] <wbkang> so I was wondering if there is anything cpu-speed specific task that is in the boot process[18:43:04] *** sickness has quit IRC[18:44:22] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[18:44:45] *** dunc has quit IRC[18:46:41] *** cypromis has quit IRC[18:48:16] *** alyu has joined #opensolaris[18:48:50] *** MattMan has quit IRC[18:48:51] *** TiOaN has joined #opensolaris[18:49:00] <TiOaN> hi[18:49:54] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC[18:50:07] <TiOaN> can zfs something like drbd under linux[18:52:19] <kim0> TiOaN: either sync zfs send/recv every few minutes .. or look at AVS replication[18:52:37] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:54:27] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[18:54:51] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[18:56:18] <TiOaN> can someone gibe me some links to some good german openslaris sites[18:58:38] *** alyu has left #opensolaris[18:58:54] <CIA-40> Mark Shellenbaum <Mark.Shellenbaum at Sun dot COM>: 6815893 hang mounting a dataset after booting into a new boot environment[18:58:57] <CIA-40> batschul <Frank.Batschulat at Sun dot COM>: 6807009 Some symlinks in the solaris.zlib have missing '/' characters in the link target, Contributed by Juergen Keil <jrgn.keil at googlemail dot com>[18:58:59] *** alyu has joined #opensolaris[18:59:07] <eviljames> Damn you OpenSolaris! I blame you for my laptop failing to boot now[18:59:26] <e^ipi> i blame solar flares[18:59:55] <eviljames> After a year of resistance I finally decided to install it on the lappy.[19:00:52] <e^ipi> and then a solar flare hit[19:01:03] <codestr0m> eviljames: google: opensolaris rescue[19:06:24] <eviljames> Nah, I was trying to shoehorn it into an existing collection of slices[19:07:00] <eviljames> ie: I already had slackware, slamd64 and arch installed on the laptop and was going to add osol. Instead I think I'm going to install OpenSolaris first and add dual boot bits afterward[19:07:06] <e^ipi> there are two kinds of errors. user error, and solar flares[19:07:09] <e^ipi> ;)[19:07:12] <eviljames> haha[19:07:23] <eviljames> This case was the latter followed by the former[19:07:44] *** yarihm has quit IRC[19:08:04] <trichobezoar> Funny. I wanted to take this having to reboot because of zfs time to upgrade to 109 but realized that beadm uses zfs. Burn.[19:08:35] <trichobezoar> I should have realized it sooner[19:10:21] *** coldsun has joined #opensolaris[19:10:25] <eviljames> e^ipi: Do you suppose it would be easier to install OpenSolaris and add Linux after the fact or is the opposite a more recommended course of action?[19:10:42] <e^ipi> eviljames: probably the opposite, that way you can use our grub[19:10:52] *** mikefut has quit IRC[19:10:58] <e^ipi> easily... without extra hack steps[19:11:07] <coldsun> Hi. I mounted NTFS into OpenSolaris but it writes me that it's read-only. What can I do?[19:11:20] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC[19:11:49] <e^ipi> coldsun: ntfs is not a supported filesystem. the ntfs-3g driver works, occasionally[19:12:52] <coldsun> e^ipi: and no other way?[19:13:02] <e^ipi> you could write an ntfs driver *shrug*[19:13:04] <bda> vbox, SMB.[19:13:29] <eviljames> e^ipi: What is stopping me from using OpenSolaris' grub if I install linux afterwards? I only use slackware/slamd64, so I'd just have to make the modifications in menu.lst and not install lilo afaict?[19:13:32] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[19:14:02] *** tld has quit IRC[19:14:23] *** chrol has quit IRC[19:14:27] <e^ipi> eviljames: nothing, it's just an extra step[19:15:00] <e^ipi> unless you can convince linux's installer not to install a bootloader[19:15:59] <eviljames> Fortunately for me, I can.[19:16:55] <bda> He wiggles his control stick at it and it cowers in fear.[19:17:38] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[19:18:45] *** tld has joined #OpenSolaris[19:19:07] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[19:21:17] *** hein__ has joined #opensolaris[19:23:16] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[19:23:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[19:23:33] *** inaddy has quit IRC[19:24:05] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[19:24:59] *** coldsun has left #opensolaris[19:27:02] *** snijke has joined #opensolaris[19:28:50] *** tld has quit IRC[19:28:51] *** sickness_ is now known as sickness[19:29:40] *** tld has joined #OpenSolaris[19:30:12] *** snijke has quit IRC[19:30:18] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[19:30:34] * bubbva is away: lunch[19:30:57] *** ihammers has joined #opensolaris[19:31:40] *** jfisc has quit IRC[19:31:43] *** tld has quit IRC[19:32:24] <sstallion_work> people still use lilo ?[19:32:38] <sstallion_work> eviljames: worst case, just re-install Solaris' brand of GRUB[19:32:44] <sstallion_work> (i.e. rewrite the MBR)[19:33:10] *** tld has joined #OpenSolaris[19:33:20] *** christop_ has joined #opensolaris[19:33:23] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[19:33:51] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[19:34:04] *** adrian15 has joined #opensolaris[19:35:04] <adrian15> Is there any place where I can find the changes you apply to original packages as patch files in the same way as Debian source code packages? Thank you very much![19:35:12] *** foucault has joined #opensolaris[19:35:55] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[19:36:23] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[19:37:10] *** christop_ has quit IRC[19:37:12] *** aadikr123 has joined #opensolaris[19:37:19] <aadikr123> hi[19:37:25] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[19:37:35] <aadikr123> where can i find the ATR value of sun smartcard[19:37:36] <aadikr123> ??[19:39:36] <codestr0m> Anyone willing to give their 2nd opinion on our GSoC app in say the next 5-10 minutes should do so now http://www.osunix.org/docs/DOC-1024[19:40:05] <codestr0m> (Why you should care is because if accepted I hope to push as much OpenSolaris stuff as possible)[19:40:23] *** markp_ has quit IRC[19:40:34] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[19:40:47] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[19:41:06] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[19:41:35] *** chrol has quit IRC[19:43:35] *** hein__ has quit IRC[19:46:43] *** mlischke has joined #opensolaris[19:47:17] <mlischke> hi there, can someone please help me with a boot problem?[19:47:42] <trichobezoar> what be your question[19:48:06] <mlischke> hi trichobezoar, the problem in short: I can only boot into my 101 installation via livecd[19:48:09] <mlischke> not directly[19:48:15] <mlischke> the boot menu does not show up[19:48:32] <mlischke> I tried already to install grub again, but that did not change a bit[19:48:58] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:49:01] <mlischke> my assumption is that I have to upgrade grub but I only found instructions for earlier builds[19:49:51] <mlischke> none of them work because commands don't work as given (and I'm just an osol beginner)[19:50:30] <adrian15> mlischke: Did you use the -m option for installing it in the mbr?[19:50:40] <e^ipi> our copy of grub hasn't changed in at least a year[19:50:49] <e^ipi> iirc[19:51:03] <mlischke> what I did was to dl the 101 build and installed from that[19:51:09] <mlischke> then I updated via pkg manager[19:51:25] <codestr0m> e^ipi: it version bumped I thought?[19:51:31] <mlischke> at least the boot menu sais 2008.11 svn_101b_rc2[19:52:13] <mlischke> adrian15: no, I just used installgrub stage1 stage2 /dev/rdsk/c3 etc.[19:52:19] *** aadikr123 has quit IRC[19:52:23] <mlischke> I booted from livecd for that[19:52:57] <adrian15> mlischke: And c3 is an slice, a partition, is it marked as bootable in the partition table?[19:53:00] <mlischke> the booting process just hangs with a blinking underline in the top left corner[19:53:01] <e^ipi> codestr0m: nope. there've been a couple bugfixes since 2008.11 closed but nothnig major[19:53:11] <mlischke> c3d0s0 is the slice[19:53:31] <e^ipi> btw, anyone know if external people can get the putback log emails ?[19:53:46] <mlischke> adrian15: it is the original boot device and works if I boot from livecd first, then select boot from hd[19:53:59] <mlischke> then I get the normal HD BEs and can continue booting from there[19:54:14] <adrian15> mlischke: Do you have more than one hard disk?[19:54:21] <mlischke> yes, 5[19:54:31] <mlischke> 4 in a raidz1 and the boot device[19:54:42] <adrian15> mlischke: I think that the BIOS is not set up to boot with this hard disk.[19:54:44] <mlischke> its a selfmade NAS[19:55:02] <mlischke> hmm, I can quickly check this...[19:55:02] <codestr0m> e^ipi: with my fork that's mirrored I have a couple ways to get notices[19:55:11] <codestr0m> hg.osunix.org/codestr0m/osunix-gate[19:55:20] <e^ipi> that's a completely useless statement[19:55:39] <codestr0m> you were referring to onnv-gate right?[19:55:39] <e^ipi> i didn't ask if people can get the changelogs for your copy of the gate[19:55:54] <codestr0m> it's mirrored.. commit something to onnv-gate and it'll show up there[19:55:57] *** mec_sun has quit IRC[19:56:31] <codestr0m> currently I apply all patches at packaging level so it's vanilla[19:57:05] <e^ipi> so anyways, back in reality, i'm not sure if external people can get signed up for the gate notify alias[19:57:05] <mlischke> adrian15: you hit the nail on the head, that was it[19:57:20] <adrian15> mlischke: I am glad you solved the problem.[19:57:26] <mlischke> no idea how the order has changed, maybe with the installation of my last disk[19:57:37] <mlischke> adrian15: I owe you a beer :-)[19:57:46] <mlischke> are you a sun employee?[19:58:36] <adrian15> mlischke: A beer? ;) Here you are: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/index.php?pid=10 . I am not a sun employee. Check also: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/GrubHardDiskOrder[19:58:51] <CIA-40> Jerry Gilliam <Jerry.Gilliam at Sun dot COM>: 6816659 drvconfig core dump on sparc while installing SUNWiscsir/SUNWiscsiu, snv_109[19:58:53] <CIA-40> Peter Shoults <Peter.Shoults at Sun dot COM>: 6746597 kpropd full resync window does not time out[19:59:02] *** moazamraja has quit IRC[19:59:33] <mlischke> adrian15: hehe[19:59:46] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[19:59:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[20:00:02] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[20:01:11] <mlischke> adrian15: the quick donation does not work, I'll do it directly[20:01:36] <adrian15> mlischke: it does not work?! Let me check it. Thank you for telling me about i.[20:01:58] <mlischke> forgot to click update total, geez[20:02:13] <adrian15> mlischke: Ok. :)[20:02:14] <mlischke> wanna make it easy and then have this little boy hidden somewhere :-)[20:03:26] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[20:04:02] <mlischke> thanks again, see you[20:04:05] *** mlischke has left #opensolaris[20:04:26] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[20:04:53] *** inaddy is now known as inaddy|away[20:10:17] *** inaddy|away is now known as inaddy[20:10:55] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[20:11:01] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[20:12:25] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[20:14:49] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris[20:18:21] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[20:18:43] <adrian15> Hi, I am trying to download opensolaris's grub-src package from a GNU/Linux system. But all the documentation implies the use of pkgadd so I am little confused. Aren't the packages served though http as in a Debian repository? Thank you.[20:19:02] *** chrol has quit IRC[20:19:36] <comay> adrian15, the documentation is wrong - you would use "pkg install SUNWgrubS"[20:20:24] <adrian15> comay: It does not matter. That is not my problem. I am using a GNU/Linux system! And I am not root so I cannot install additional tools. I just want to download the packages through http if possible.[20:20:29] <comay> but it's better to just go to the source http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/grub/[20:20:44] <comay> the above url has all of the files in question[20:20:45] <adrian15> comay: The problem about source is that patches are applied.[20:21:24] <adrian15> comay: I just want to have access to the patch files which I do not know if are present in grub-src package as in Debian's grub-src package.[20:22:00] <comay> it's not stored that way (patches against a canonical source tree)[20:22:08] <comay> it's the modified source code[20:22:34] <adrian15> comay: Neither in the grub-src package?!!![20:22:40] <x58> comay: Do you want the actual package that pkg install <package> would grab?[20:22:54] <x58> err[20:22:56] <x58> that was to adrian15[20:23:10] <adrian15> x58: I do. Yes, that's it. A download link or something similar.[20:23:23] <adrian15> x58: Just to check if patch files are present or not.[20:24:07] <x58> adrian15: Not sure how that works with the whole pkg system, just wanted to clarify to see if anyone did know.[20:24:24] <x58> If you have an solaris system around, see if you can snoop the transaction[20:25:03] *** axisys has quit IRC[20:27:21] <adrian15> x58: Hey, I just missed the download link: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ I will try with ON source and check if there is any patch file there. Thank you for your consideration.[20:27:41] <x58> Welcome :D[20:27:41] *** mega has joined #opensolaris[20:28:07] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[20:28:15] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[20:30:02] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[20:31:41] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[20:32:24] <Jondice> is there anything one needs to do for a zpool to be moved and recognized from one system to another?[20:32:35] <Jondice> other than simply moving the associated disks to the new system of course[20:32:52] *** aadikr123 has joined #opensolaris[20:33:07] *** aadikr123 has quit IRC[20:33:44] <e^ipi> Jondice: yeah, you need to import the pool[20:33:49] <e^ipi> and export it before you yank the disks[20:34:05] <x58> Jondice: I believe, and don't quote me on this, you need to export on the old system, and import on the new.[20:34:11] <x58> damnit, e^ipi got to it first.[20:35:04] <Jondice> hmm, so my actual scenario is that i have all of my data on a zpool, but not the / partition[20:35:14] <Jondice> if / dies, how can i reinstall and recover the zpool?[20:35:41] <e^ipi> i keep my data and my system pools separate[20:35:45] <x58> zpool import[20:35:55] <x58> you might need to force it though[20:35:59] <Jondice> ok, gotcha[20:36:14] <Jondice> e^ipi, right, that's what i'm doing[20:36:16] *** arcame has joined #opensolaris[20:36:30] <x58> I personally have my rpool, and my storage pool, both are seperate.[20:38:05] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[20:38:10] <gretel> re[20:38:57] *** RyShask_ has joined #opensolaris[20:39:00] <RyShask_> Oh man.[20:39:10] <RyShask_> sent an email to securecrt about bold/color not working[20:39:22] <RyShask_> they give me a link to the beta build within 7 hours of my issue[20:39:27] <RyShask_> now I'm in terminal bliss.[20:39:57] *** RyShask_ has quit IRC[20:39:57] *** ry_laptop has quit IRC[20:42:11] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[20:43:00] *** tosh has quit IRC[20:43:54] *** arpunk has quit IRC[20:46:35] <ZOP> i've always liked securecrt when i was using windows as my desktop[20:46:41] <ZOP> kinda miss it actually[20:46:48] <ZOP> terminal.app doesn't quite compare.[20:46:56] *** luc^ has quit IRC[20:47:17] <houst0n> ? putty ftw[20:47:31] *** clebig has joined #opensolaris[20:48:28] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[20:48:52] <eviljames> e^ipi: yays it looks like osol 0811 installed fine this time, as opposed to the installing bombing out hard like every other time![20:49:03] <e^ipi> nifty[20:49:06] <e^ipi> what was the problem?[20:49:28] <eviljames> I think the automated format was bailing[20:49:42] <e^ipi> huh[20:49:58] <eviljames> I was trying to use just the installer to convert an ext3 slice to become my rpool[20:50:18] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[20:50:34] <eviljames> (I had 3 ext3, a linux swap and an xfs partition before)[20:51:03] *** adrian15 has quit IRC[20:51:15] <eviljames> My solution was just to toast the drive, allocate 30% for rpool and do the linux crap when I get home[20:51:16] *** arcame has quit IRC[20:51:17] <e^ipi> well, nobody accused the installer of being an advanced partition management tool[20:51:42] <eviljames> Yeah, blind optimism isn't always the best mindset when dealing with software.[20:52:07] *** irfagu has quit IRC[20:52:28] <eviljames> But I'm going to spam VanOSUG to VanLUG on Monday, so I should have a working demo :D[20:52:35] *** evocallaghan1 has quit IRC[20:52:35] <e^ipi> oh, cool[20:53:02] <eviljames> I will then leave the VanLUG meeting, go to gf's work and proceed to do what the Irish do best on St. Patty's.[20:54:45] *** adrian15 has joined #opensolaris[20:55:02] <eviljames> I probably shouldn't be so surprised but osol auto-magically worked with every device on this laptop[20:55:23] <eviljames> wifi, bluetooth, video etc...[20:55:24] <adrian15> For those who were interested I did not find any patch file for grub inside on-src.tar.bz2.[20:55:41] <eviljames> Oh, nope. There is one issue with the multimedia keys.[20:56:18] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[20:56:22] <e^ipi> bluetooth?[20:56:31] <e^ipi> adrian15: no, we don't carry patches[20:56:54] <eviljames> e^ipi: Device Driver utility says it's supported anyway. I haven't actually tested, nor do I really use bluetooth[20:57:09] <e^ipi> i didn't even know we supported bluetooth anything at all[20:57:11] <eviljames> e^ipi: but it's not giving me a big red ERROR line, so I consider that at least a partial success.[20:57:31] <eviljames> xev indicates that my multimedia keys are not supported either.[20:57:43] <eviljames> _W_T_F_ am I gonna do now when pr0n turns on and I can't mute it fast enough?[20:58:50] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[20:58:54] <e^ipi> eviljames: refer to king missile's "gay/not gay"[20:58:57] <CIA-40> Jerry Gilliam <Jerry.Gilliam at Sun dot COM>: 6797441 wanboot fails to configure network device when booted from media, 6813810 wanboot create ramdisk allocation fails on small memory machines[20:59:10] <e^ipi> if you watch porn with girls, it's straight. add one or more guys in to the mix and it's gay[20:59:17] <e^ipi> watching porn alone is neutral[20:59:22] <e^ipi> like eating a sandwich[21:00:06] <eviljames> Eating sandwiches with guys is gay?[21:00:09] <eviljames> uh oh...[21:00:19] <eviljames> k, I'm going to McDonalds[21:00:20] <eviljames> brb[21:00:58] <e^ipi> eww[21:01:07] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:01:43] <adrian15> e^ipi: I have checked. I hoped to find something in Nexenta: http://archive.nexenta.org/archive/elatte-stable/devel/sunwgrubs but I didn't. It's a pity that you do not carry patches to track free software community. I will have to make the diff hand-made.[21:02:10] <e^ipi> adrian15: why would we carry patches? it's much more sane to just keep the updated copy of the software[21:02:39] <e^ipi> if you want clean sources go grab them from upstream[21:03:07] * bubbva is back (gone 01:32:33)[21:04:41] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[21:04:44] *** barts has quit IRC[21:05:44] <adrian15> e^ipi: I think, but I might be wrong, that using patches makes easier to track on original software updates.[21:06:26] <e^ipi> we don't track updates. everything in opensolaris is essentially a fork[21:07:13] <e^ipi> some stuff gets resynced every now and again, but we can't trust open-source upstreams to stay stable in API and ABI so a lot is just backports of bug fixes[21:07:41] <e^ipi> if open-source had engineering discipline, then keeping patches might be a worthwhile idea, but as it stands it's more work than it's worth[21:08:21] *** chrol has quit IRC[21:11:42] <adrian15> e^ipi: I understand. I suppose that it has something to be with compatibility.[21:13:00] <jbk> speaking of that[21:13:04] <jbk> e^ipi: any word on the ls stuff?[21:13:58] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[21:14:26] *** ry-tpro has joined #opensolaris[21:14:44] <e^ipi> jbk: i'm waiting to hear anything about the ARC case[21:14:53] <jbk> has it been submitted?[21:15:00] <e^ipi> not as far as i can tell[21:15:03] <ry-tpro> irc on every device I own![21:15:38] <ry-tpro> perfect securecrt xterm emulation.[21:16:20] <ry-tpro> nice day tooooo[21:17:29] *** adrian15 has left #opensolaris[21:18:38] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[21:18:48] *** foucault has quit IRC[21:20:40] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[21:21:39] <ry-tpro> man I do not want to go into work today..[21:22:14] <e^ipi> find a job that lets you work from home[21:22:45] <ry-tpro> I need to do that...[21:23:09] <ry-tpro> easier said then done.[21:23:49] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[21:24:17] *** wewek has quit IRC[21:25:00] *** chode has joined #opensolaris[21:25:14] <eviljames> Can I have a job that lets me work from home?[21:25:19] <eviljames> Are there any of these available at Sun? :D[21:25:43] *** sactodave has quit IRC[21:25:57] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris[21:26:54] <ry-tpro> heh I know first hand someone who is doing that, but you need to have some pretty specific skills[21:28:15] <eviljames> like nunchuk skills or breakdancing skills?[21:28:49] *** chode has quit IRC[21:29:02] *** chode has joined #opensolaris[21:29:37] <e^ipi> eviljames: both[21:29:41] <ry-tpro> basically, that's how you should think about it.[21:29:46] <ry-tpro> heh[21:29:54] <e^ipi> eviljames: like capoerra[21:30:01] <ry-tpro> I'm focusing on zfs and xen.[21:30:32] <ry-tpro> filesystems and virtualization are going to be even huger than they afre now.[21:30:38] *** PicCard_ has quit IRC[21:30:38] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC[21:30:44] *** chode has quit IRC[21:30:45] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[21:30:56] *** PicCard_ has joined #opensolaris[21:31:08] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[21:32:11] <ry-tpro> what a nice day.[21:32:14] *** perlmongo1 has joined #opensolaris[21:32:31] *** chode has joined #opensolaris[21:32:59] *** szt_ has joined #opensolaris[21:33:16] *** woky has joined #opensolaris[21:33:59] *** thebentzone_ has joined #opensolaris[21:34:08] *** SunTzuTec1 has joined #opensolaris[21:36:49] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:37:18] <woky> Hi all....[21:37:33] *** stux|RC-only has quit IRC[21:39:10] *** Ramdac_ has joined #opensolaris[21:39:42] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:42:41] *** arpunk has joined #opensolaris[21:49:28] <ry-tpro> I love driving around, then whiping out my phone to find it still ssh'd into my server :)[21:49:39] *** SunTzuTech has quit IRC[21:49:46] <ry-tpro> I even took a call while in car[21:50:10] *** szt has quit IRC[21:51:44] <ry-tpro> wonder what this does for my battery life![21:51:57] *** thebentzone has quit IRC[21:58:46] <woky> Folk, you are supposed to be joking...[21:58:47] *** luc^ has quit IRC[22:02:20] <ry-tpro> blargity[22:05:35] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[22:08:49] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[22:10:11] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[22:10:15] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[22:10:23] <ikarius> okay, so comstar rocks :)[22:10:47] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[22:10:57] <trichobezoar> orly?[22:11:07] <ikarius> just got 600 megabytes/second reading from a comstar target from a linux initiator[22:11:43] <trichobezoar> versus what?[22:11:58] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[22:12:31] *** stux|RC-only has joined #opensolaris[22:13:07] <ikarius> well, a single spindle backing you generally cant exceed 170 mb/sec[22:13:37] <ikarius> stripe enough spindles, you can generally hit 280 mb/sec across a single link[22:13:58] <ikarius> I'm getting to 330 mb/sec across a single link with comstar[22:14:07] <ikarius> over 600 mb/sec across dual links[22:14:51] <ikarius> I have to go into more detailed testing to see what latency and IOPs look like[22:15:02] <ikarius> but it should really blow away the arrays on those tests[22:15:27] <ikarius> of course, the backing storage I'm using is ramdisk, so it's mildly unfair ;)[22:15:33] <GNUWorld> with comstar have you seen any issues with mod_load failing to load the iscsi module?[22:15:41] <GNUWorld> I am seeing this during boot.[22:15:44] <ikarius> not using iscsi.... 4 gig FC[22:16:07] <GNUWorld> Damn, the search goes on I suppose.[22:16:34] <ikarius> but the system I'm running osol on supports up to 256 gb of RAM.[22:16:48] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[22:17:27] <ikarius> the thing I'm quite impressed about is the fact that despite comstar's youth, it's still doing very well at getting close to max FC throughput[22:18:20] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[22:22:17] *** prdelka has quit IRC[22:22:21] <Ramdac_> guys right now i'm installing sxce but the DVD-ROM stopped reading at 90%[22:22:24] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[22:22:39] <Ramdac_> is that normal or do i have to start the installation again[22:23:40] <Ramdac_> ?[22:24:08] <eviljames> How long has it been hanging for?[22:24:29] *** gretel has quit IRC[22:24:30] <Ramdac_> 15 min[22:24:41] <Ramdac_> u know the mark that is rounding[22:24:47] <Ramdac_> it stopped rounding[22:25:05] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[22:26:16] <Ramdac_> i even tried to eject the DVD but the DVD-ROM is not respoding[22:26:41] <Ramdac_> +n[22:26:52] *** jzu_ has quit IRC[22:26:52] *** perlmongo1 has quit IRC[22:26:56] *** jzu_ has joined #opensolaris[22:28:32] *** ericjray has quit IRC[22:29:12] *** dec has quit IRC[22:29:24] <Ramdac_> so do i have to restart setup?[22:31:29] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[22:31:30] <eviljames> hm.[22:31:38] <eviljames> tbh, I don't know, I don't use sxce (yet)[22:32:00] *** dsch04 has quit IRC[22:32:27] <Ramdac_> anybody is using sxce here?[22:36:51] <sstallion_work> Ramdac_: always. whats up ?[22:37:11] <jbk> we're actually all plan 9 fans in here[22:37:25] <sstallion_work> jbk: ssh. Glenda will be upset if you tell...[22:37:31] <jbk> :)[22:37:37] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:38:46] * eviljames is using Looking glass[22:38:49] *** twbray has joined #opensolaris[22:39:17] * twbray looks nervous, then asks a dorky n00b question:[22:39:19] <eviljames> ok that's a lie, but it looks neat.[22:39:25] <twbray> Where does "ips install" install things?[22:39:32] <twbray> er "pkg install"[22:39:44] <eviljames> twbray: To the hard drive :D[22:39:49] * twbray can't find gcc even though it swears it's installed[22:39:56] <tsoome> man find[22:39:57] <eviljames> twbray: gcc may be in /usr/sfw[22:40:13] <eviljames> (sfw = sun freeware)[22:40:16] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:40:30] <Ramdac_> sstallion_work: while setup the DVD-ROM stopped reading and the installation hanged at 90%[22:40:43] <twbray> SUNWgccruntime 3.4.3-0.101 installed ----[22:40:45] <sstallion_work> Ramdac_: bummer. Have you tried to re-install ?[22:41:25] <Ramdac_> sstallion_work: well this was my second try where the first had media error so i had to change the disc[22:41:30] <sstallion_work> (install issues are not unheard of; if you get stuck, reboot and try, try again)[22:41:55] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[22:42:09] <Ramdac_> sstallion_work:do i install using console session[22:42:32] <Ramdac_> sstallion_work: or interactive?[22:42:45] <sstallion_work> Ramdac_: up to you. I usually do since most of my machines use serial.[22:42:59] *** clebig has quit IRC[22:43:04] <sstallion_work> If you have a local console, choose option 4[22:43:31] <sstallion_work> IIRC option 2 will put you into interactive mode as well[22:43:58] <sstallion_work> Its been a while since I've done an install without lu - I *think* its option 4.[22:44:04] <Ramdac_> what is the kerbros security system and what is the advantage over the default Unix security?[22:44:17] <sstallion_work> Ramdac_: google is your friend.[22:44:44] <Ramdac_> sstallion_work:i mean do u recommend it?[22:46:08] <jwk404> twbray: seems like what you want is in SUNWgcc, not SUNWgccruntime.[22:46:31] <sstallion_work> I get by just fine with pam_ldap and crypt; IANASA[22:46:50] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[22:47:19] *** DesiJat has joined #opensolaris[22:47:20] *** DesiJat has left #opensolaris[22:47:51] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[22:48:28] *** stoxx has quit IRC[22:48:28] *** e-jat has quit IRC[22:48:31] *** stoxx has joined #opensolaris[22:49:57] *** gretel has quit IRC[22:50:04] *** duxklr has quit IRC[22:50:15] <ry-tpro> lol still connected[22:50:15] *** twisti has quit IRC[22:52:53] <twbray> jwk404: d'oh, thanks[22:55:16] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[22:58:02] *** jacotton has quit IRC[23:00:49] *** jfisc has quit IRC[23:02:27] * ry-tpro begins to LOVE his touch pro[23:04:35] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[23:05:27] *** infomomo has joined #opensolaris[23:05:43] *** TiOaN has quit IRC[23:06:27] *** Ramdac_ has quit IRC[23:08:26] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[23:12:52] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[23:13:42] *** bsdbandit has joined #opensolaris[23:13:49] *** gretel has joined #opensolaris[23:13:58] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[23:14:10] *** hotaru2k3 has joined #OpenSolaris[23:15:22] <cmihai> If by touch pro you mean that worthless HTC brick...[23:15:24] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris[23:15:51] <ry-tpro> heh[23:16:00] <dsch04> Evening all[23:16:07] <ry-tpro> I like the brick quality[23:16:17] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[23:16:40] <dsch04> I just upgraded (to #109?) and lost my Desktop Effects[23:16:59] <dsch04> Any idea how I might fix it?[23:17:02] <ry-tpro> pwned[23:17:31] <trochej> dsch04: I'd say it's fixed now. :)[23:17:42] <dsch04> Eh?[23:18:31] <e^ipi> heh[23:20:26] *** gretel_ has joined #opensolaris[23:20:26] *** gretel has quit IRC[23:20:55] *** inaddy has quit IRC[23:20:59] *** dsch04 has quit IRC[23:21:34] <jwk404> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=6967[23:21:41] <jwk404> nice. just in time.[23:22:49] *** infomomo has quit IRC[23:23:17] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris[23:23:30] *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC[23:24:41] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[23:30:00] *** jfisc has quit IRC[23:31:49] <dsch04> So, no idea how to /diagnose/fix my video issues?[23:33:24] <jwk404> might be this: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=6967[23:35:18] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[23:35:37] *** Odin- has quit IRC[23:35:58] *** woky has quit IRC[23:36:07] <dsch04> jwk404: you da man![23:36:38] *** ikarius has quit IRC[23:39:37] <eviljames> ooohh, looks like that compiz just locked my system up hard...[23:40:22] <eviljames> I probably need to make some changes to xorg.conf, though. I've never had compiz 'just work'[23:40:31] * dsch04 has[23:40:49] <eviljames> Nice.[23:40:58] <eviljames> Even though I'm using all intel chips, which are supposed to 'just work'[23:41:23] * dsch04 using nVidia[23:41:31] <eviljames> yeah, that makes sense.[23:41:42] <eviljames> NV's drivers afaict are really good[23:41:50] <eviljames> (not to say that intel's aren't)[23:41:58] <dsch04> Working really nice on Ubuntu[23:42:05] <eviljames> What's ubuntu?[23:42:09] <dsch04> Some of the visuals are awesome[23:42:43] <dsch04> Not quite made it to current versions of stuff in OS[23:43:10] <eviljames> Well, compiz 0.8 and 0.9 are just around the corner, which have merged compiz++[23:43:15] <eviljames> and gotten rid of the -fusion[23:43:37] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[23:43:44] <dsch04> Yeah, I think that's what's in Ubuntu 8.10[23:43:47] *** jfisc has quit IRC[23:44:06] <eviljames> No, that announcement was only made a few days ago[23:44:14] *** coffeetime has quit IRC[23:44:27] <eviljames> Though it wouldn't surprise me that they would rush out a bunch of buggy unfinished code and call it ready for primetime[23:44:34] <wewek> hello, I'm looking for alternative commant to 'tr'[23:44:39] <wewek> any ideas?[23:45:07] <dsch04> To do what?[23:46:01] <wewek> echo $HOSTMAC |perl -pe s/://g | sed 's/^\([0-9]\)$/0\1/' | sed 's/^\([A-Fa-f]\)$/0\1/' | perl -pe s/://g | tr [:lower:] [:upper:][23:46:07] <wewek> something like this[23:46:18] <wewek> make upper form lower[23:46:27] <dsch04> perl can do that too[23:46:40] <dsch04> In fact, why not write the whole thing in perl?[23:46:47] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[23:46:53] <wewek> ok, thanks[23:46:58] <wewek> I'll try it[23:47:14] <dsch04> It has modules that will manipulate a MAC for you[23:47:53] <wewek> realy?[23:48:01] <dsch04> Yup[23:48:06] <dsch04> search.cpan.org[23:48:40] <dsch04> Net::MAC[23:49:29] <dsch04> Time for a beer...[23:49:38] *** dsch04 is now known as dsch04_afk[23:50:10] *** Cass1 has joined #opensolaris[23:51:21] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[23:51:44] *** _Hunger- has joined #opensolaris[23:52:30] <eviljames> huh, I wonder why rebooting would solve my desktop effects issue?[23:53:15] *** sahX has quit IRC[23:53:27] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[23:55:28] *** sahX has quit IRC[23:57:30] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris[23:57:34] *** Ouro has joined #opensolaris[23:57:39] *** duxklr has joined #opensolaris[23:57:49] *** duxklr has quit IRC[23:58:01] *** Cass has quit IRC[23:59:00] *** coffeetime has joined #opensolaris[23:59:53] <Ouro> does sxce currently support sata port replication?